[CALL JOINT MEETING TO ORDER]
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          CITY COUNCIL ORDER FOR JOINT MEETING MCKINNEY COUNCIL PLANNING ZONING TODAY TUESDAY 24TH IT IS 5 20 IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE IN CHAMBERS AT 2 22 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET. 
          CHAIRMAN BAIR. THIS THE AND ZONING COMMISSION DO HAVE A KOREAN PRESIDENT ALCOHOL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. UM, FIRST BUSINESSES COMMENTS NON PUBLIC AGENDA ITEMS DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP. WE WILL MOVE ON. UM. SO OF THE JOINT MEETING AGENDA. 210750 
          [Consider/Discuss the New Code McKinney Initiative (Development Regulations Update), Specifically Related to Tree Preservation]
AND DISCUSS NEW CODE. MCKINNEY DEVELOPMENT UPDATE RELATED TREE JENNIFER HOW ARE I'M THANK MR MAYOR CHAIRMAN CITY COUNCIL YOU FOR HAVING THIS AFTERNOON. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE ALREADY. I PROMISE WE WILL AND MAKE THIS AS AS BUT PROMISED, WE ARE IN FRONT OF WITH JOINT WORK TO UP ON KEY TOPIC RELATED TO THE NEW CODE. MCKINNEY. UM, CODE INITIATIVE THAT CURRENTLY UNDER WAY WANTED TO UP WITH THE COUNCIL THE WITH TOPIC TREE PRESERVATION WE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL BACK IN FEBRUARY. I AM GIVING RECAP OF OUR EXISTING PRESERVATION HIGHLIGHTING OF THE KEY CONCERNS TOPICS WE'VE FROM THE OVER YEARS AND ARE BACK TONIGHT TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME MAJOR DIRECTION. ON POTENTIAL THAT WE WOULD TO PROPOSE PART THE NEW MCKINNEY SOME INPUT DIRECTION FROM ALL THEN HOPEFULLY THAT UP PART OF THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS PROJECT. ALWAYS LIKE SHOW THIS JUST AS REMINDER THE FOR THE NEW CODE UPDATE OBVIOUSLY IS NUMBER ONE TOOL OUR ONE MCKINNEY 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND IT'S ALSO EFFORT TO THE EXISTING REGULATIONS WE BOTH REQUIREMENTS ALSO USABILITY FROM A CUSTOMER STANDPOINT. SO ON THE TOPIC TREE THE THAT WE'RE GOING BE SHARING YOU ALL TONIGHT NOT MADE A VACUUM I WANT TO REMIND OF SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES WE'VE GONE THROUGH OVER THE LAST. 18 AS PART OF THIS WE HAVE CODE ASSESSMENT WHICH HIGHLIGHTED LOT DIFFERENT TOPICS TO THE CITY ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. BUT SOME SPECIFIC FOR US REGARDING PRESERVATION WE'VE ENGAGED WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT TO FROM THEM THINGS THAT HAVE UH POINTS PRESSURE FOR THEM THE PROCESS THEN COURSE, BEING FRONT OF THE COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY TO KIND GET SOME FEEDBACK DIRECTION YOU ALL THE THREE MAIN THAT WE'VE TAKEN AWAY FROM ALL THREE OF THOSE ACTIVITIES. ARE ON THE SCREEN NOW BEING THE COST CONDUCTING TREE SURVEY, WHICH WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IN HERE IN A MINUTE. UM, THE OF THAT PRESERVATION OF THE OR TOO STRICT SORT OF UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU HAVE TO A SITE TREES ARE ULTIMATELY TO BE EXEMPT MITIGATION REPLACEMENT SO THAT THOSE WERE THE THREE MAIN THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT? AND AS A TEAM WHEN WE WERE STARTING PACKAGE POTENTIAL TO TREAT PRESERVATION WE'RE TO WALK THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT. BEFORE I INTO OF THOSE DETAILS WANT TO FIRST REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT IS INCLUDED TREE AT LEAST FOR THE CITY MCKINNEY REALLY, IT DOWN TO THREE THINGS TREE PRESERVATION WHAT TREES DO I HAVE TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE? TREE MITIGATION IF I'M TO PROTECTED HOW DO I MITIGATE THAT THEN PROTECTION I'M TO PROTECT REQUIRED WHAT AM I REQUIRED TO DO IN ORDER TO PROTECT IT? SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS ARE ORDINANCES HIGHLIGHTING GOVERN AND DEVELOPMENT IN TO KNOW ANSWER TO QUESTIONS FIRST THING THAT WE REQUIRE IS THIS TREE SURVEY. AND FOR OF YOU THAT BEEN ENGAGED THE DEVELOPMENT OVER ANY OF TIME YOU PROBABLY PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIS TREE SURVEY REQUIREMENT. THIS IS NOT A, UM. 
          IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT IT IS A OF TOOL OR INFORMATION THAT CITY NEEDS IN TO ENFORCE TREE REQUIREMENTS, SO IT'S A STEP IN THE PROCESS. MORE SO THAN IS A REQUIREMENT WE ARE OF ENFORCING THAT WAY SO A SURVEY EXACTLY IT SOUNDS IT IS A SURVEY OF PIECE OF PROPERTY TO IDENTIFY ALL OF THE TREES. THAT ARE THE PROPERTY TO BE SURVEYED AND WHICH YOU'LL SEE THE HERE THIS LITTLE SAMPLE ITS MOST TREE HAVE TABLE. MOST TABLES ARE MUCH LARGER THAN THIS. THAT HIGHLIGHT ALL OF NOT SURE HOW THAT HAPPENED. TRY TO CLEAN THAT UP AGAIN. WE GO. MOST 
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SURVEYS AN ASSOCIATED PRESERVATION WHICH JUST SUMMARY THE TREES ARE ON THE SITE THEIR SIZE SPECIES THEY PROTECTED DO THEY MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE A PROTECTED TREE? ARE YOU REQUIRED MITIGATE THAT TREE YOU ALLOWED EXEMPT ARE GOING TO BE ALTERING TREE ANY WAY AND IS REALLY OF THE MAIN THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS BEING PROBLEMATIC. 
          BECAUSE WITH THIS TREE SURVEY. I'M A LOT OF MONEY SURVEY PROPERTY ULTIMATELY OF THE TREES THAT SERVING GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE BE EXEMPT FROM TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IN OUR ORDINANCE NOW PRETTY ANYTHING A THAT DEVELOP AREA IT'S EXEMPT MITIGATION IF I A SIX INCH QUALITY TREE OR GREATER. THAT WOULD OTHERWISE REQUIRED BE REPLACED ON THE PROPERTY IF THAT TREES IN THE MIDDLE OF MY PARKING OR BUILDING OR EASEMENT I'M REQUIRED DEDICATE THE CITY DON'T TO MITIGATE THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO DING YOU FOR HAVING TO DEVELOP. AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM FOLKS IS. WHEN I'M DOING TREE SURVEY SPENDING LOT OF TIME MONEY ULTIMATELY OF WHAT I HAVE I CAN LEGALLY REMOVED. THE CHALLENGE US IS OF IS DON'T KNOW THAT LEGALLY TO REMOVE BECAUSE DON'T HAVE THAT TREE SURVEY NEED THAT TREE SURVEY TO GAIN THE INFORMATION. AND SO WHAT YOU SAY THAT SAY THAT WE NEED TREE BUT IF A PROPERTY GOING TO BE 80% BY A DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, WITH THE BUILDING STUFF LIKE IT'S PRETTY TO AT A PIECE PROPERTY AND WHERE THAT AND GONNA SO WOULD YOU SAY WE'RE GOING KNOW UNLESS GET A TREE SURVEY BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL. I MEAN, IT'S YOU CAN OVERLAY SOMETHING. IT'S OKAY IN THIS. PLACE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NOT TO HAVE TO MITIGATE WE HAVE TO THEM BECAUSE GOING GO ALL GO BECAUSE GOT TO PUT A BUILDING A PARKING THAT ABSOLUTELY I WILL SAY ONE OF THE THAT GOING TO WALK HERE IN A MOMENT IS THIS CONCEPT OF AN AERIAL EXHIBIT? BUT I DO TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT FOUND THE THAT ARE THE MOST TO THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE CONSIDER SPECIMEN THESE TREES THAT ARE 42 OR GREATER THESE TREES REGARDLESS YOUR STATUS IF YOU ALTER OF THOSE TREES REQUIRED PAY MITIGATION. SO THOSE THOSE ARE THOSE ONE SPECIAL TREE. AND THAT SIZE THAT YOU WOULD WOULD TO MITIGATE SO ANYTHING IN THAT LAST YOU WOULDN'T REQUIRED MITIGATE IF WE FIND YOU'VE GOT A 42 CALIBER OR GREATER TREE ON THE ON THE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD REQUIRED MITIGATE FOR SO WE'VE REALLY AT AS POTENTIAL OPTION ACCOMMODATE TREE IS TRYING IDENTIFY WHEN THAT BECOMES MOST PROBLEMATIC. WE HAVE FOUND THE YEARS MOST THE COMMERCIAL THAT ARE DEVELOPING MCKINNEY REALLY UM HAVEN'T HEARD A WHOLE OF COMPLAINTS THE COST AND TIME ASSOCIATED WITH THE TREE SURVEY. IS. MOST COMMERCIAL ARE RELATIVELY IN NORMALLY HIGH DRY MAY SOME ON IT'S THE LARGER PROJECTS WERE CAN BECOME IMPACTFUL FOR THEM. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD AERIAL OPTION AND FEE AND WHICH WE'LL ABOUT IN A MOMENT FOR LARGER RESIDENTIAL SO THIS AND LOU AERIAL SURVEY BE ELIGIBLE ANY FAMILY THAT'S OVER 35 ACRES IN SIZE. AND THAT LOOK LIKE INSTEAD DOING FULL SURVEY PRESERVATION WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE THE THEY COULD DO AERIAL EXHIBIT WHERE THEY LAY OUT. THE FOOTPRINT THEIR DEVELOPMENT THE AREA GOING TO HAVE IDENTIFY COUPLE OF KEY LIKE FLOODPLAIN NON DISTURBANCE AREAS. AND WE WOULD ACCEPT IN LIEU OF FEE SURVEY OR IN LIEU OF A TREE SURVEY. HOWEVER. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO USE THAT ARIEL OPTION. ONE OF THE THINGS MOST TO THE I WAS EARLIER ENSURING WE ARE HELPING PRESERVE AND MITIGATE FOR THOSE SPECIMEN TREES. SO IF WANTED TO DO THIS AERIAL OVERLAY EXHIBIT. IT WOULD COME AT A COST $480 PER ACRE. WHICH EQUIP TO ABOUT $16,800 EVERY 35 IN SIZE RESIDENTIAL AND NUMBER DIDN'T OUT OF AIR. WHAT WE DID IS WE DID A LITTLE SAMPLE SURVEY. AT SOME PROJECTS HAVE OCCURRED MCKINNEY THE LAST YEARS WHAT WE FOUND FOR EVERY ACRES DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE ONE TREE, AND SO WE TRIED RELAY FEE IN LIEU OF A TREE SURVEY. 
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TOWARDS TRYING REALLY WHAT WE FELT MOST IMPORTANT THE CITY AND IS CAPTURING PROTECTION MITIGATION A SPECIMEN TREE BY PRESERVING IT. OR CAPTURING COST MITIGATING THAT THAT THE CITY THEN GAIN FUNDS PLANT TREES SOMEWHERE ELSE, MAN. INTERJECT. SURE. SOMETHING THAT I WAS READING ON THIS. FUNDING THAT IT WOULD HAVE BE SPENT FIVE YEARS WOULD RETURNED BACK TO THE DONOR. AH! WHY. WE PLANT 10 FROM NOW THAT MONEY UNDER YOUR YOUR UNDER OUR ORDINANCE FEES THAT ARE PAID IN LIEU OF MITIGATION. ARE GOING A REFORESTATION WE HAVE THREE TO THE MONEY AND THAT YEAR WAS BECAUSE SOMEBODY TEARING A TREE OR TAKING OUT A TREE AND HAVING TO PAY FOR IT. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE REASONABLY THAT CITY CAN A TREE THOSE FUNDS A THREE YEAR PERIOD. UM PLANTING. I MEAN, I SEE YOU GIVING MONEY KOWSKI LETTING HIM TREES OUR PARKS YEARS FROM ABSOLUTELY AS OF THE NEW CODE THERE'S A DESIRE TO REVISIT THAT TIME FRAME. WE CERTAINLY UM, AS PART THIS ONE OF THE WE ARE ADDICT THIS AS A POTENTIAL EXTENDING LIFE OF THAT REFORESTATION PLAN. AND FROM THREE TO FIVE YEARS IT COULD 10 YEARS AND IN FACT EXACTLY WE DO IS OUR ARBORIST WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR ROADWAY PROJECTS. HE COORDINATES OUR PARKS AS WELL WE TRY FILL IN PUBLIC WITH THE FUNDS THAT HAVE IN THAT IN THAT FUND BALANCE TO PLANT TREES. I KIND OF HAVE THE SAME QUESTION CHARLIE DOES IS. WHY DON'T ARE WE GIVING THE BACK MEAN, WE'RE TO USE IT THE CITY SOMEWHERE IF SAVING THEIR MONEY ON A TREE SURVEY. THEY WRITTEN MONEY AND THEY WILL GET MONEY BACK WHY IT BACK HIM? USE IT AND I'LL YOU ARE VERSUS SITTING ME, AND I'M SURE HE'S DOING BACKFLIPS IN HIS BRAIN. AND BECAUSE HE LIKE HAVE THAT UM THAT'S CERTAINLY THAT WE CONSIDER IF THE OF THE COUNCIL'S PART OF THAT NEW CODE OVERHAUL, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SEE MOB GOAL TO BECAUSE HEAR THE SAME THINGS BECAUSE OF THE. 
          REAL ESTATE AND GET LIKE 152. TO DO A TREE AND IT'S SOMETHING EVERYBODY HAS TO DO UP FRONT, RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO IT'S A IT'S A COST TO THEM. WITHOUT ANYTHING PASSED THROUGH AND SO. IT'S A BIG DETERRENT AND WE ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. SOME OF THE THAT WE'VE DONE THE LAST FEW IS TRYING GET A BETTER GAUGE THAT COST WE IT RUNS GAMUT UM THAT RESEARCH FOUND THAT IT TRULY DOES DEPEND ON THE SIZE. I'M THE TYPE OF THAT YOU'RE WORKING YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN SOME OF THEM IT BY DAY SOME THEM DO IT THE ACRE AND REALLY THE END THE DAY, IT COMES DOWN HOW MANY TREES ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THESE THIS WHERE YOU HAVE LARGER PROJECT TO DO THAT TREE SURVEY. ON LARGE PROJECT THE EXAMPLE CAN BE COSTLY VERY TIMELY AND ALSO AT THE POSSIBILITY SHIFTING TREE SURVEY LATER ON IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. WE COULD THAT COMES A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE ON IN PROCESS THERE IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN. THE PROPOSED LINES THAT THEY'RE TO PUT AND WE DON'T SEE THAT THE TREE WE WERE ABOUT MOVING IT SHIFTING LATER IN THE UM WE DID FEEL LIKE THE OVERLAY EXHIBIT REALLY KIND OF HELPED, TOO. MEDIATE THAT RIGHT WE'RE SAYING, LOOK RECOGNIZE DOING LARGE TREE OVER SPAN HUNDREDS ACRES BE AND MONEY CHALLENGING AND WE'RE WILLING TO FOREGO THAT. THE IMPORTANT THAT RECOMMENDING MAINTAIN IS ENSURING SPECIMEN ARE FOR IN THIS CASE THE MITIGATION AT FEE IN OF DOING SURVEY WHY DON'T WE HAVE SURVEY JUST LOOKS BIG SO WHAT I MEAN? NOBODY BALKING THE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE HIM $480 PER ACRE. 1000 I MEAN A HALF DOLLARS BOTHERED THAT. I MEAN ME, THAT'S THAT'S KIND CRAZY THINK THAT THE CHALLENGE THAT IN TO FIND BIG TREES STILL TO WALK PROPERTY THAT CAN STILL AT A TIME AND COST. AND SO THE 
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AERIAL EXHIBIT. COMPLETELY THE NEED DO THE SURVEY TRULY DO AERIAL ON OF AND A TIME WE WAIVE THE NEED FOR THAT SURVEY. THEY PAY FEE THAT PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY THAN WHAT A TREE WOULD CITY PROTECTED AGAINST THAT WE'RE GETTING RECAPTURING THAT SPECIMEN TREE. AND THEY'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON IN THE PROCESS. IF YOU COULD TURN YOUR BACK ON FOR ME, SCOTT, SORRY. 
          PAPER REVENUE DO WE GENERATE THERE'S THESE EXCLUSIONS SO THERE'S A LOT OF TREES ARE IMPACTED AND THE DECISION HOW MANY OF REVENUE ARE WE COLLECTING YEARLY ON THIS? I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO ADAM NOT TO BE HONEST YOU. I THINK WANT TO SAY THAT SON BALANCE FLASHER WAS ABOUT 16,000. I. IT REALLY DEPENDS THE PROJECTS THAT COMING IN AND THEY'RE AT IN CITY. AS EXPANDING OUT SEEING A LITTLE BIT TREES OF THIS INFILL PROJECTS STUFF LIKE THAT GENERALLY MITIGATION BECAUSE THERE'S LESS TREES. SO IT VARY IN THE PAST, LET'S SEE. LAST COUPLE OF PREVIOUS HAD SOME THE LARGER LIKE TIMBER CREEK HONEY CREEK. I THINK. PRESERVE AT HUNTING SO THEY OF EXPLAINING SOME THE IN AUBURN HILLS ANOTHER ONE. SO SOMETIMES SMALL OFF PROJECTS, UM THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN WE COULD HAVE LARGER PAYMENTS COME IN ON LARGER SUBDIVISIONS. IT JUST KIND OF. IT'S A BALANCE WE HAVE AN SO A FEELING LIEU IN THE CURRENT STATUTE, CORRECT. NO, SIR. OKAY, OKAY HAD SHOWED MEET CAN YOUR MITIGATION EXEMPTIONS OR BY PRESERVING TREES. SO BASICALLY WE DON'T GET MONEY FROM A TREE SURVEY THAT'S CORRECT. THIS. WE GET IN THE CITY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY USE. YEAH. OKAY, ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT. ALTHOUGH JUST JUST TO BE YOU KNOW? CIRCLE BACK ON. THE UPSIDE OF THAT DON'T GET MONEY WITH A TREE SURVEY THE TREE IDENTIFIES TREES THAT THEY HAVE PAY AND MITIGATES GET BY THE MITIGATION IS IN LIEU OF IDENTIFYING THOSE TREES AND BEING MITIGATING WITH CASH. SO. 
          YES NO, WE AND I THINK THE WAY FORMULATED YOU'RE IT ON WHAT FIND TO BE THE OF SPECIMEN TREES IN PER ACRE, WHICH WOULD BE ONE. AVERAGE ON AVERAGE PER ACRE RIGHT GOVERNMENT. SO BASED ON LITTLE SAMPLE THAT DONE, AND WE OF DROPPED ALL THE SO WE JUST ON AREA OR ANOTHER. THESE ARE ACTUAL PROJECTS. WE FOUND IN 30 WE ABOUT SPECIMEN SO THE FEE WE'RE AND MINIMUM ACREAGE THIS AND LOU WOULD 35 WERE A LITTLE BIT A BUFFER THERE THOUGH OUR AREAS TO 30 ACRES WERE SAYING 12 35. WHICH MEANS COULD REASONABLY TO SEE A SPECIMEN ON ANY PROJECT LARGER 30 AND IF THAT'S WHAT THE CITY IS ON PRESERVING THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT FEE SHOULD BE BASED OFF OF. SO YOU HAD AN EYE UNDER ACRES, THIS WOULD NOT APPLY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WOULD HAVE TO DO AT LEAST SURVEY THAT'S CORRECT. SO RIGHT AS IF OUR ORDINANCE SOMEBODY A TREE. ARE THEY GOING TO IT'S RIGHT THE MIDDLE OF THEIR PROJECTS THEY NEED TO GET RID OF IT. HOW MUCH DO THEY PAY? TO GET OF THAT TREE GOING TO BE BASED ON SIZE OF THE SO CALIPARI LET'S IT'S 45 JUST AT THE WHAT THAT MUCH MUCH THEY'RE TO PAY A RATIO ON THE SIZE THE TREE TWO THE OF THE TREE, SO THEY HAVE TO REPLACE. UM IT'S A INCH TREE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO 80 INCHES OF THAT SO THAT 1 TO RATIO MEANING CAN PLANTS OR CALIBER OF NEW TREES ON THE PROPERTY. WHETHER 10 INCH TREES 8, 10 CALIPER THAT REPLANT OR CAN PAY FEE LIEU OF DOING THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS. BECAUSE I DON'T DID YOU GET THE 80? BECAUSE SAID JUST DIDN'T OUT THE AIR. WHAT THE 4 84 THAT IS A BREAKDOWN IF YOU'LL TAKE A LOOK THE SCREEN UM THE COST LET ME IN EVERY $14,400 OVER 30. LIKE 16. ADAM. WHAT'S THE IS IT 1800? OR 42 MITIGATION BE FOR 
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THAT TREE TOO. HOW MUCH VERSUS NOW YOU'RE PAYING 80 PER ACRE OVER 38. I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOWED MATH ON ALL TRUST WANTED THEY PAY IN LIEU THE SURVEY $480 PER FOR ACRE. AND OVER ACRES. THAT'S $14,400 IF AVERAGE IS ONE SPECIMEN TREE. LEGACY. WHATEVER PER 30 YOU'RE PAYING 4 VERSUS 16 NEED. AND WHY HAVE A 35 MINIMUM YOU WHILE WHILE BROKEN IT DOWN A PER IT'S $480 ACRE AT THAT'S 35 AND SIZE BE FOR, SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING THAT 35. TIMES FOR 80. 
          TO GET THAT 16 PROPERTY. IF YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT HAS. MUCH MORE THAN SPECIMEN PER 30 ACRES. YOU ARE FAR BETTER OFF DOING. ABSOLUTELY MEAN, AND I THINK SO YOU COULD LOOK AT. LET'S SAY THE, UM. 75 PROJECT THREE THEY FOUR SPECIMEN ON THEIR SITE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL OF THEM. UNDER THIS, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO PAY FOR TWO. TWO AND A QUARTER MAYBE, BUT. SO ARE OVERARCHING WAS TO SAVE AND ALSO THAT WITH WHAT WE FELT THE MOST IMPORTANT TO THE CITY BASED ON THE WAY OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES WRITTEN. AGAIN KNOWING QUALITY THAT WITHIN EXEMPTION AREA REQUIRED BE MITIGATED BUT TREES HAVE THAT EXEMPTION THE EXHIBIT CONCEPT AND THE FAN LIU. IS TO MAINTAIN THAT THE IS PRESERVING RECOUPING THE VALUE THE SPECIMEN WHILE A DEVELOPER A LARGE SCALE THE TIME AND COST IT OTHERWISE TAKE THEM TO COMPLETE A SURVEY. AND THEN PAY A SURVEY THAT SAVE SOMEBODY HAS SOME MONEY. YES, THEY'RE NOT NOT PAYING FOR SURVEY IS GOING TO COST 14 16 GRAND FOR 30 ACRES. AND THEN PAY THE MITIGATION THE TREE THAT'S FINE THIS IS COST HALF THE MONEY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. IT COULD BE. I MEAN, THEORETICALLY. MINIMUM. I MEAN DON'T IT'S DIFFICULT US VALUE THE AMOUNT TIME COULD BE SAVED I KNOW A PROJECT WAS ABOUT 1000 ACRES. IT WAS MONTHS. FOR TO COMPLETE TREE SURVEY ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS SO AERIAL FOR THAT WOULD BEEN VERY DESIRABLE THEM BOTH IN TIME AND. THE VALUE THEIR TIME THE COST THE SURVEY ITSELF THEY HAVE TO COMPLETE THE WAY THE WAY CALCULATED YOU HAD 500 ACRES. IT WOULD BE ABOUT $250,000. BASED ON THAT SO IT WOULD 500 ACRES TIMES FOR 80. AT $240,000. OKAY? WHAT WOULD IT NORMALLY BEEN YOU HAD TREE SURVEY HARD WE TRIED HARD GAUGE THAT BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES DEPEND. IF IT'S BY IT BE DIFFERENT IF IT'S DONE DAY THE AMOUNT OF DAY TAKES FIRM TO THAT IS GOING DEPEND ON HOW MANY ARE ON THE SITE. SO IN A HEAVILY WOODED. PROPERTY PROPERTY THAT HAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF TREES. IT COULD BE WELL MORE THAN THAT. SO I'VE NEVER A TREE BUT ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND AND GO THROUGH. AND COUNT EVERY SINGLE TREE AND, UH, IT'S GOING TO. IT'S TO COST YOU MINIMUM BUCKS A DAY I UNDERSTAND WE'RE JUST TO SAVE BIG TREES WOULDN'T THE JUST GO JUST PLOTS, BIG TREES AND JUST COUNTING THE BIG TREES ON. 500 ACRES SO IF SAY, OKAY, YOU'VE EIGHT OR 10 OR BIG TREES AND MAYBE OF THEM. YOU HAVE TO CUT DOWN SO GUESS YOU COULD DO THAT BUT IS A TREE ONLY HAVE ACCOUNT EVERY OR THE ONES SO TREE SURVEY THAT WE HAVE PLACE. TODAY WAS QUALITY THAT ARE SIX OR GREATER, RIGHT. SO WHY WHY ARE WE. WHY ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT ON THE PROPERTY WHEN. THE LAND GOING TO BE CLEARED A BUILDING OR LOT, OR OR OR THAT ANYWAY. THINK BECAUSE THE THINK ANSWER IS BECAUSE THE SIX OR OR THAT YOU TO MITIGATE IF YOU'RE THOSE DOWN THEY'RE NOT IN BUILDING PAD LEGACY ARE EXEMPT FROM EXEMPTION. BECAUSE IF DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE IN THE BUILDING PATTERN, NOT YOU'RE GOING TO MITIGATE. SAID. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU KNOW, SO IT HAS LOT TO DO US. PLACING ON THE 
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TREES BY THEM IN OUR CITIES LOGO. BUT COULD YOU, JENNIFER? TO MAYOR POINT IF GOT A 100 ACRES I'M DOING AN PARK A LOT OF IS BUILDING OUR LANE AND PARKING AND ON AND ON. 
          INFRASTRUCTURE. IF I THAT SITE EVEN CONCEPTUAL, I COULD GO IN AND PAY FOR A SURVEY ON JUST THE. NON DEVELOP YOU I'M NON AND THERE IS BUILDING AND PARKING AND ALL THAT, UM. JUST IDENTIFY THERE ARE, IN FACT ANY LEGACY TREES. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK SEEING THAT AN OPTION WELL LAYERING IN BECAUSE GONNA BE THAT'S I WANT BE A MAJORITY A WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXEMPTING FOR. GIVING AND LAND AND BUILDINGS I DON'T KNOW DON'T KNOW THAT. WE CAN. WE'LL LOOK AT AND SEE WE CAN OF THE SURVEY THE BOOTS THE GROUND SO INSTEAD OF BEING INCHES GREATER MAYBE A LARGER COMMERCIAL SITE. IT'S. THE 42 OR GREATER ALL HAVE TO BE SURVEYED DON'T KNOW HOW TIME ENDS UP ON THE SURVEY BECAUSE THEY STOPPED PUT THE BOOTS THE GROUND AND WALK PROPERTY THEY DO. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, I'VE DONE. QUITE A NUMBER OF THREE SURVEYS MY DAY, AND IT A LOT CHEAPER YOU'RE NOT IF YOU'RE SERVING SIX INCH CALIBRE AND ABOVE ON MAY END UP BEING JUST 20% OF THE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE THAT. BUT YOU'RE DOING IT 100% OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE. I DON'T KNOW THERE MIGHT AN BECAUSE BECAUSE I WHAT OR FIVE AGO QUINN BROUGHT BEFORE. AND SOUNDED REASONABLE. UM AND. BUT THIS COUNCIL IT DOWN WHATEVER SILLY BUT WAS BUT MADE SENSE WHAT THOUGHT WE WERE GOING LISTEN TO, BUT BUT THIS IS NOT. 
          THIS IS NOT THAT SO, UM. I WE LOOKED AT MICHAEL AND I BELIEVE RECOLLECTION OUT MAY BE WALKING THE RIGHT NOW THE AERIAL OVERLY EXHIBIT WAS. WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE 2017 WAS PRIOR THAT WAS BEFORE GOT HERE IT PROBABLY PART OF IT WASN'T IT WAS, BUT BECAUSE. BECAUSE THEY THE PEOPLE THE COUNCIL THE COMMENTS THAT BURNED MY BRAIN THAT'S THE COST DOING BUSINESS MCKINNEY IS JUST AND THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. WHICH AGAIN IS STUPID AND THOSE ARE ARE THAT'S SEVEN. JUST PASS IT IT'S WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SURE AND, UM. BUT I THINK HELP DEVELOPERS HELP GROW HELP MCKINNEY THE RIGHT STUFF LIKE CAN HELP SURE WHO WANT TO COME IN DO BUSINESS SURE ABSOLUTELY WE WE'LL BACK AND REVISIT WE'LL ALSO REVISIT TAKE A LOOK THE IDEA OF MODIFIED TREE SURVEY. THAT IS ONLY LOOKING AT. CERTAIN CALIFORNIA'S LARGER THAN TARIQ WALL AT A MINIMUM THE BUILDABLE YES. MHM. HERE COMES MY IT COMES, MR QUENTIN. OKAY. YOU MISSED A LOT OF ACCOLADES YOU A SECOND BUT SINCE WEREN'T HERE, YOU HAVE TO MISS THOSE. OKAY? ALL RIGHT SO PAST THE TREE SURVEY STUFF. NOW IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE MITIGATE AND PROTECT. 
          UM. AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE ONE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE IS TREE PRESERVATION TOO. THIS JUST A COMMENT ACTUALLY INCLUDED THE ASSESSMENT SO WE HAVE A WHOLE OF CONTEXT IT WHAT WE HAVE AND WE THIS THE COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY WE'VE TAKEN LOOK AT THE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS COMPARED TO SISTER CITIES, BOTH NEAR AND FAR. WHAT WE FOUND THAT MITIGATE OUR TRUE REQUIREMENTS THE SURVEY BUT DO YOU MITIGATE TREES ARE ON OUR PROTECTED IT'S REALLY IN LINE MOST OF OUR SISTER IF NOT IS LESS RESTRICTED THE MOST MOST OF OUR SISTER CITIES. SO CITY MCKINNEY A SPECIFIC OF SPECIES ARE PART OUR QUALITY LIST YOU CAN IN FRISCO AND PLANO, ALLEN AND SOUTH SOUTH LAKE. THEY ALL PRETTY PROTECT SPECIES AND I BELIEVE THAT THOSE ARE BASED ON. 
          SIZE THE SIMILAR ALL CITIES MITIGATION IS TO BE BASED A RATIO TO DIAMETER OF TREES THAT ARE REMOVED. BUT MCKINNEY REALLY LESS THAN LOT OF OUR CITIES ISN'T THAT AREA EXEMPT A 
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WHEN IT COMES DEVELOP BALL SITE SOME OUR SISTER ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE WHERE THOSE EXEMPTIONS I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE FRISCO RIGHT AWAY UTILITIES BE EXEMPT. SO ANYTHING IN A BUILDING PAD IN FRISCO. THEY'D BE REQUIRED PAY MITIGATION SO WHEN REALLY TOOK LOOK AT THAT SPANNED ARE SISTER AND OUR CURRENT WE FEEL WHAT OUR REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE STILL IN LINE. THERE WE GO, AND WE DO LIKE OUR REQUIREMENTS SO REASONABLE IN LINE OUR SISTER SO RECOMMENDATION TO MAINTAIN WE CURRENTLY AND THAT IS FOR THE MITIGATION SO. AGAIN. THAT IS THE SAME AS THE SURVEY WHICH WERE WILL LOOKING AT WE WANT TO SIMPLIFY LANGUAGE THE ORDINANCE WANT TO THE RATIOS BUT THE OVERALL REQUIREMENTS WOULD REMAIN THE SAME. AND THEN AS IT COMES TREAT PROTECTION IS REALLY THE HEADED CHILD OF ORDINANCE REALLY DON'T HEAR ABOUT THIS A PRETTY UM ACROSS THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SO. IF YOU HAVE TREE ON THAT ARE REQUIRED PROTECT YOU'RE GOING PROTECT IT DO I HAVE TO DO TO PROTECT IT WE DON'T HEAR MUCH FODDER FROM FOLKS ON THAT. AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING CHANGE OF THE REQUIREMENTS JUST AGAIN THE LANGUAGE IT A LITTLE TO READ BUT AND THIS IS INDUSTRY STANDARD HOW PROTECT TREE FROM TOP TO THE SO ORANGE FENCING YOU'RE USED SEEING NOT THOSE ROOT ZONES AND THEN MAINTAINING. 
          THAT THROUGHOUT DEVELOPMENT CYCLE YOUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS I'M IS FAIRLY SO WITH THAT THAT REALLY THE HEART OUR TREE ORDINANCE. I DO KNOW THAT THE TREE SURVEY IS. AGAIN, THAT IS HOT POTATO WHEN WE TALK TREE PRESERVATION WE'LL DEFINITELY THE THAT WE'VE WE'LL TRY AND MASSAGE A BIT MORE THAT WHEN WE THIS BACK YOU ALL IN IT REFLECTS SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD TODAY. AND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR US THAT CAN USE THAT IN OUR NEXT FEW WEEKS. 
          YES. IN THE ORDINANCE ARE REVIEWED AND THANK VERY MUCH SENDING TO ME TO REVIEW BEFOREHAND. YOU. IT EXTREMELY NOW. VERY APPRECIATE YOU CALL FORGETTING THAT TO ME. UM. I DIDN'T SEE SPECIFICATIONS WHAT TYPE TREE THE SPECIMEN AND DON'T HANK BERRIES MCKINNEY. 
          SURE YOU COULD A CLOSE AT ONE BECAUSE WOULD WANT SAME YEAH, IT'S NOT GREAT OR QUALITY. A TREE COMING TO MCKENNY I CERTAINLY THE AND THE AND THAT MCKINNEY IS KNOWN FOR. AND SERIOUS ABOUT THAT MONEY DIFFERENT POINTS THE FUTURE TO MCKINNEY THE GREEN WITH HILLS HILLS AND TREES THAT IT'S KNOWN FOR. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT DESTROYED. IT'S OKAY. I THINK APPRECIATE HIS STAFF LOOKING TO BETWEEN PARTIES AND I DON'T THINK YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE PARTY. LOOKING TO PRESERVE TREES THE TREES ACTUALLY GONE THINK HE MADE THE NEWS DAY OF VIRGINIA HARDEN OF TREES ALL SUDDEN GONE OVERNIGHT, SO THOSE PARTIES DON'T ALWAYS SHOW UP. 
          EARLY MEETINGS I DON'T KNOW WHAT? THIS WILL LONG TERM THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT TO THE CITY COMING FROM THE. IN LIEU THE SURVEY AND MY CONCERN IS ALWAYS BEEN THE. AMOUNT OF TREES OR TREES, PUT ON PUBLIC. UM. WAYS ALONG MCKINNEY OF PRIVATE IF YOU LOOK AT OUR EVERYBODY'S A FEW EVERY YEAR TO TRIM TREE MAINTAIN TREE AND THEY'RE NOT WITHOUT MAINTENANCE, AND SO YEAH. IF THOSE MADE TREES INTO PUBLIC JUST TO KNOW IT WILL CONTINUE BE A MAINTENANCE FOR MCKINNEY INSTEAD PRIVATE LANDOWNER HAVING THOSE TREES REPLACED THERE. I ALSO TO SHARE MY COMMENTS PUBLICLY THERE. TRYING TO DOCUMENT AS IT IN MCKINNEY LESS THAN 10 ORDINANCE AN AMAZING AND STAFF DONE A JOB ATTEMPTING DO SO I'M VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE DILIGENCE AND HARD WORK. EVERYBODY'S IN ON SO THANK ALL VERY IT'S A DIFFICULT JOB YOU'RE FACED WITH. THE OTHER COMMENTS. ALL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THANK YOU, JENNIFER. THAT WAS OUR ITEM TO DISCUSS ANY COMMENTS ON FROM CITY COUNCIL. YES, I WOULD TO 
          [JOINT MEMBER COMMENTS]
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THANK OUTGOING CAN DEENA JERK ALL FOR SERVICE ON PLANNING AND ZONING FOR THE NUMBER YEARS BOTH OF YOU SERVED DONE A TREMENDOUS OUTSTANDING YOU'VE BEEN FAITHFUL AND RELIABLE TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. AND VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE THE CITY. THANK BOTH YOU YOU SO MUCH YOU. 
          IT SHOULD BE MENTIONED THAT THE. ONLY REASON TIME SERVED TO DATE THAT WAS. WHEN A DISCUSSION UP HERE ONREFLECTION WHATSOEVER WAS STATED TREMENDOUS JOB VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. RIGHT? MEMBERS ANY COMMENTS ON THE PRESENTATION WE'VE HEARD. THERE. WE HAVE NO COMMENT MOTION TO ADJOURN FOR CITY COUNCIL MAKE A MOTION. WE ADJOURNED THE MEETING. HI. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION JOINT SESSION I'LL MOVE TO ADJOURN MULCH, YOU AND MR DUCKS LIKE GOODBYE MR MCCALL WAS IN FAVOUR ALL RIGHT HAND. I WAS OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. 
          AGAIN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.