GOOD AFTERNOON, WE'LL CALL OUR MEETING
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TO ORDER A CITY COUNCIL[CALL TO ORDER]
WORK SESSION.TODAY IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 19TH, YEAR 2021, AND IT IS 3 0 3 IN THE AFTERNOON.
WE WERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 2 22 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET.
UH, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY, I SHOWED NOBODY WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO DISCUSS REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS
[DISCUSS REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS for the City Council Regular Meeting to be held on Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:00 p.m. ]
FOR COUNCIL.IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT A COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF SEEING NONE? WE WILL MOVE TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS 21 0 9 0 4
[Presentation on Pavement Management Plan]
PRESENTATION ON PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN, SIR, CAN I KICK THIS OFF? I WANT TO TEE THIS UP A LITTLE BIT, AS YOU ALL RECALL, UM, RYAN WAS PRESENTED OR PRESENTED TO THE WORK SESSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL.UM, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST OF TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU WERE GOING TO RECEIVE.
TONIGHT'S THE SECOND, UH, THE FIRST PART OF THAT WAS TO KIND OF SHARE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, WHERE WHAT'S THE STATUS OF OUR ROADS AND A SNAPSHOT OF TODAY, OUR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, AS IT'S TYPICALLY REFERRED TO AS AN INDUSTRY.
AND, UM, WE SHARED SOME MAPS AND SOME GRAPHICS WITH ALL OF YOU SHOWING THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME PARTS OF TOWN, THE GENERAL CONDITION OF THE ROADS IS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE THAN IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN WITH THE OVERALL INDEX OF 71.
AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW DO WE GENERALLY MAINTAIN A DECENT, UH, ROAD CONDITION INDEX OR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, AND, UH, WHAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE FUNDING.
AND SO W WE PLEDGED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU TONIGHT, UH, WITH SOME IDEAS, SOME DISCUSSION OPTIONS, UM, ABOUT WHAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT, WHAT SOURCES OF FUNDING MAY YOU BE ABLE TO USE IN THE COMING YEARS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FUNDING, UH, AND STILL DO IT AND MEET ALL OF OUR OTHER OBLIGATIONS, WHICH IS OF COURSE ALWAYS THE CHALLENGE IN THIS JOB.
SO RYAN HAS DONE REALLY GREAT WORK, UH, IN PREPARING, I THINK A REALLY, REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT YOUR OPTIONS.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DECISIONS TONIGHT, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, OR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS PRESENT TO YOU THOSE OPTIONS, AND MAYBE GET AN IDEA OR GAUGE THE COUNCIL ON WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD IN TERMS OF EXPLORING THOSE OPTIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE DEEPLY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, RYAN IS GOING TO KICK IT OFF, BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT BACKDROP AND CONTEXT FOR YOU.
SO GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.
SO AS PAUL SAID, THIS IS OUR, UH, SECOND PART OF OUR TWO-PART PRESENTATION ON THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SO OUR, OUR TEAM IS THE SAME TEAM, BUT WE HAVE ONE ADDITION.
UH, WE HAVE MARK HOLLOWAY WITH US TONIGHT.
OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, AS PAULA MENTIONED IT, TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS LARGELY GOING TO CENTER AROUND, UH, THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THE, UH, PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SO, UM, OUR AGENDA, AND THIS WAS THE SAME SLIDE FROM LAST TIME.
SO IF YOU'LL RECALL IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION, UH, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT PAY PAVEMENT CONDITION, INDEX SCORES, PCI SCORES, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE DATA ANALYSIS, AS WELL AS THE VALUE OF THE REPAIRS OR THE ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE ROADWAY, REPAIRS WITHIN MCKINNEY.
AND THEN TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS GOING TO FOCUS ON FUNDING SCENARIOS AS WELL AS IF FUTURE REVENUE DISCUSSION.
SO I WANTED TO PUT THIS SLIDE IN THE BEGINNING.
THERE'S REALLY TWO POLICY, UM, DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST IS WHAT IS THE DESIRED OVERALL PAVEMENT CONDITION FOR MCKINNEY ROADWAYS? AND SECONDLY, HOW SHOULD MCKINNEY FUND FUTURE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS? SO THE FIRST THING WE WANTED TO DO IS KIND OF GO OVER BRIEFLY THE BACKGROUND OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME.
SO FIRST MCKINNEY HAS A LOT OF ROADWAYS, 1,700 LANE MILES OF ROADWAY.
UH, THAT'S FARTHER THAN THE DISTANCE FROM HERE TO NEW YORK CITY MCKINNEY SPENDS ABOUT $9.3 MILLION PER YEAR ON ROADWAYS.
ABOUT $2.8 MILLION IS ON MAINTENANCE AND ABOUT 6.6 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
THE AVERAGE PCI SCORE OR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX SCORE FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY IS A 71.
AND WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS IN EVENT.
SO OUR GOAL, AND I'LL JUST READ THE SLIDE HERE, DEVELOP MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION STRATEGIES FOR PRESERVING EXISTING PAVEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE BY OPTIMIZING THE USE OF AVAILABLE FUNDS.
SO WE SHOWED THIS ROADWAY, DETERIORATION CURVE LAST TIME.
SO ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU SEE IS THE DIFFERENT PCI SCORE.
SO A ZERO REPRESENTS A STREET THAT'S COMPLETELY FAILED AT 100, REPRESENTS A BRAND NEW STREET.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE ASSIGNED, UH, SUBJECTIVE DESCRIPTIONS TO THOSE DIFFERENT RANGES OF PCI SCORES.
SO THE LIFE OF A PAVEMENT GOES AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE ROADWAY DETERIORATION CURVE THERE.
SO AS THE ROADWAY IS BRAND NEW, THE ROADWAY STAYS IN FAIRLY GOOD CONDITION.
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SOME POINT, THE ROADWAY STARTS TO DETERIORATE AND THAT, THAT SHAPE OF THAT CURVE, IT'S IT DETERIORATES FAIRLY FAST UNTIL WHICH TIME THE ROADWAY NEEDS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.SO THE COLORED LINES REPRESENT THE DIFFERENT PAVEMENT REHABILITATION, UH, MAINTENANCE OPTIONS THAT CAN BE DONE.
SO YOU'LL SEE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE THERE IN THE GREEN, WHICH IS REPRESENTED HERE.
SO WHAT THIS IS, ARE THINGS LIKE CRACK SEALING AND PAVEMENT PAGEANTS.
SO WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN EXTEND THE, THE, THE LIFE OF THE STREET BY DOING THOSE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE OPTIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T GET BACK TO THE SAME LEVEL AS BEFORE AT SOME POINT THE ROW WHEN THE ROADWAY NEEDS MORE, UM, IN DEPTH REPAIR.
SO THINK LIKE ROADWAY RESURFACING OR, OR, UH, PANEL PATCHING ON CONCRETE ROADWAYS.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT'S REPRESENTED BY THE ORANGE LINE AND HOW YOU CAN EXTEND THE ROADWAY LIFE OUT BY DOING THOSE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN LASTLY, ONCE THE ROADWAY HAS FAILED, UM, YOU HAVE TO REBUILD THE ROADWAY AND THE, AND THE CURVE STARTS AGAIN.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE A TIME THING ON THERE.
WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TIME THAT A I'M SURE IS THAT 50 YEARS IS THAT 70 YEARS, OR HOW LONG CAN A ROAD EXPECT TO BE IT'LL CONCRETE ROAD EXPECT TO LAST, SO VARIES ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS.
SO, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME GENERAL PARAMETERS AND WE CAN TALK IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE, THE FACTORS THAT AFFECT ROADWAY LIFE.
SO FOR AN ASPHALT ROADWAY, GENERALLY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 30 TO 40 YEARS FOR A CONCRETE ROADWAY.
GENERALLY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 40 TO 50 YEARS, BUT THE LIFE OF THE ROADWAY DEPENDS ON OTHER FACTORS, SUCH AS THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ON IT, THE THICKNESS OF THE PAVEMENT, AND SOME OTHER FACTORS THAT MAY PLAY INTO IT, BUT THAT GIVES YOU THE BROAD TERM OF AN ASPHALT STREET IN A ROADWAY ROADWAY IN TERMS OF ITS EXPECTED USEFUL LIFE.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A BIG CRACK IN A BIG HOLE, YOU KNOW, THERE, I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE STARTED OUT AS A CRACK AND THEN WATER GETS IN THERE AND MAYBE ICE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE BEGINNING OF THE FILL FAILURE PART BECAUSE WE, THEY, THEY, LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL JUST TAKE THAT CHUNK OUT, THROW, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF THAT, UH, AND THEN PUT A BRAND NEW SECTION IN.
IS THAT, I MEAN, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE GREEN LITTLE GREEN LINES WHERE YOU'VE KIND OF IMPROVED, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'VE BUILT A BRAND NEW LITTLE SECTION THERE, RIGHT.
SO, UM, THAT'S GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, I WOULD CONSIDER, UM, THE PANEL REPLACEMENTS ON CONCRETE ROADWAYS TO BE MORE OF THE REHAB OPTIONS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE, BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT EACH TIME YOU DO A REHAB THAT THE TOP OF THE CURVE DOESN'T GET BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE THAT AT SOME POINT THERE'S A USEFUL LIFE TO THE ROADWAY IN WHICH YOU THEN HAVE TO FINALLY RECONSTRUCT IT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE DIFFERENT, WHAT THE DIFFERENT PCI SCORES MEAN, THE DIFFERENT REHABILITATION STRATEGIES HERE, AND THEN IT MIGHT BE EVEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO, UH, FOR THE CONCRETE STREETS, UM, IF YOU'LL RECALL FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION, 88% OF THE STREETS WITHIN MCKINNEY ARE CONCRETE.
SO THAT'S 1,420 LANE MILES OF ROADWAY.
SO MOVING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE PAVEMENT PRESERVATION VERSUS REHABILITATION.
AND SO ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING MAINTENANCE, WE'RE TALKING CRACK SEALING AND JOINT REPAIR, AS WE MOVE TO THE RIGHT TOWARDS THE REHABILITATION, YOU'RE SEEING MORE EXTENSIVE PATCHING, MAJOR REHABILITATION IS EXTENSIVE PANEL REPLACEMENT.
AND THEN FINALLY YOU HAVE THE FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CONCRETE ROADWAY.
IN ADDITION, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF THOSE DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE TREATMENTS, YOU'LL SEE THAT FOR CRACK SEAL, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 25 CENTS TO A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT.
ONCE YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FULL RECONSTRUCTION, IT'S AN EXPONENTIAL INCREASE.
IT'S 20 TO $25 PER SQUARE FOOT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE ASSOCIATED PCI SCORES BASED ON THE DIFFERENT ROADWAY CONDITIONS.
AND SO ONCE YOU GET TO THIS STAGE, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A FULL RECONSTRUCTION.
SO SIMILARLY FOR ASPHALT ROADWAYS, IT'S THE SAME CALCULATION.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAINTENANCE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WHERE WE'RE DOING CRACK CEILING.
UM, THE MINOR REHABILITATION WOULD BE PATCHING AND ASPHALT ROADWAY, MAJOR REHABILITATION WOULD BE RESURFACING WHERE YOU'RE GRINDING OFF A LAYER AND THEN PUTTING BACK A LAYER.
AND THEN FINALLY YOU HAVE THE FULL RECONSTRUCTION.
THE COSTS ARE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN CONCRETE.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 10 CENTS TO 25 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT FOR ASPHALT.
AND THEN A FULL RECONSTRUCTION CAN BE FIVE TO $8 PER SQUARE FOOT.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE MOVING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, UH, PRESERVATION TO REHABILITATION.
SO THE HISTORICAL MCKINNEY, UH, PCI SCORES.
SO IN 2012, MCKINNEY COMPLETED A PAVEMENT CONDITION REPORT.
AND THE AVERAGE PCI SCORE WAS AN 87.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT SHOWS UP IN THE GREEN THERE, BUT THAT WAS IN THE GOOD CATEGORY.
AGAIN, THE CITY OF MCKINNEY DID A PAVEMENT CONDITION ANALYSIS IN 2015, AND IT WAS AN 82.
AND THEN MOST RECENTLY THE PAVEMENT CONDITION REPORT
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THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING, UH, THE AVERAGE PCI SCORE WAS A 71.SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THE RATE OF DETERIORATION OF ROADWAYS WITHIN MCKINNEY EXCEEDS THE RATE OF RE-INVESTMENT AS REPRESENTED BY THE DOWNWARD TREND THAT YOU SEE HERE.
AND SO THEN WHAT WE'VE ALSO ADDED BEHIND WHAT YOU CAN SEE ARE THE SUBJECTIVE DESCRIPTION.
SO GOOD, SATISFACTORY, FAIR, AND POOR.
THE OTHER IMPORTANT POINT HERE IS THAT THIS, THIS CHART IS LOOKING BACKWARDS.
SO THIS IS THE HISTORICAL ASPECT.
AND, AND IN A FEW SLIDES, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS TAKING THE SAME CHART.
LOOKING FORWARD BASED ON THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SCENARIOS AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE PCI SCORE.
SO POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES FOR ROADWAYS.
SO GENERALLY THERE ARE THREE BUCKETS OF FUNDS THAT CAN BE USED FOR ROADWAY, REPAIR, PROPERTY TAX, SALES TAX, AND THEN THE, THE BUCKET I'M CALLING OTHERS.
SO PROPERTY TAX IS HOW THE CITY CURRENTLY FUNDS ITS ROADWAYS GENERALLY.
AND THOSE ARE DEDICATED, UH, BUDGET ITEMS FOR STREETS THAT CAN BE EITHER USED AS A LINE ITEM FOR MAINTENANCE, OR IT CAN BE USED TO SUPPORT, UH, BONDS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
THE OTHER OPTION IS SALES TAX, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER EACH ONE OF THESE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, BUT WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS THAT THE CURRENT CITY'S SALES TAX BREAKDOWN.
SO AT 1% THERE'S A STATE AUTHORIZED AMOUNT, HALF A PERCENT TYPE, A AND A HALF A PERCENT TYPE B FOR A TOTAL OF A 2% SALES TAX.
AND THEN THE OTHER BUCKET, WE HAVE GRANTS WHICH ARE STATE AND FEDERAL, UM, GENERALLY IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS FOR ROADWAYS, THEY HAVE TO BE, UH, A FEDERAL AID ELIGIBLE ROUTE, AS WELL.
AS MANY TIMES, THESE GRANTS ARE COMPETITIVE, SO THEY CAN BE DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN WATER AND WASTEWATER FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR ROADWAY, REPAIRS, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH A WATER OR SEWER, UM, PROJECT AS WELL.
AND SO THAT, THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THE WATER AND SEWER WORK.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, THERE'S A STREET MAINTENANCE FEE.
SO THINK OF PUTTING A $4, UH, PER MONTH CHARGE ON THE WATER BILL THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS, UH, STREET MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, DOLLAR OR THE DOLLAR IT'S OVER HERE IS THAT FOUR OR 44.
SO THE EXAMPLE WE'LL USE LATER IS POUR DOLLARS PER MONTH ON THE, ON THE WATERVILLE.
SO PROPERTY TAX, AS I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE CITY SPENDS ABOUT $9 MILLION PER YEAR PROPERTY TAX ON EXISTING ROADWAYS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TWO OPTIONS AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE PCI SCORE.
SO THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVE IS A $50 MILLION BOND.
THAT'S $5 MILLION FOR 10 YEARS, UH, FOR A 20 YEAR BOND THAT REPRESENTS A 1 CENT INCREASE PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS OF ASSESSED VALUATION.
ALTERNATIVE NUMBER TWO IS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BOND, $10 MILLION FOR 10 YEARS OVER 20 YEARS.
AND THAT REPRESENTS A 1.80 CENT INCREASE PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS OF ASSESSED VALUATION.
THE NEXT OPTION, UM, THAT WE'LL LOOK AT IN TERMS OF OUR IMPACT ON PCI AS A QUARTER CENT SALES TAX FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THERE THERE'S THE CURRENT BREAKDOWN.
AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO TAKE ONE EIGHTH CENT FROM THE TAIPEI AND ONE 8 CENT FROM THE TYPE B AND PUT THAT TOWARDS ROADWAY MAINTENANCE.
SO THE SALES TAX TOTAL REMAINS THE SAME, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT BREAKDOWN.
SO THE SALES TAX OPTION REQUIRES, UM, A VOTER APPROVED ELECTION AND THAT CAN OCCUR IN EITHER MAY OR NOVEMBER.
UH, IT REQUIRES REAUTHORIZATION AFTER FOUR YEARS, AND THEN IT REQUIRES AN ADDITIONAL REAUTHORIZATION, UH, AT 10 YEARS.
SO IN TERMS OF THE QUARTER CENT SALES TAX, UH, LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL TRENDS OF SALES TAX COLLECTED FOR THE TYPE A AND THE TYPE B IN 1997, UH, WHEN IT WAS FIRST ADOPTED, THE CITY RECEIVED ABOUT $4 MILLION FOR THE SALES TAX AND THE MOST RECENT YEAR, THE CITY HAS RECEIVED ABOUT $35 MILLION, UM, AND SALES TAX FOR THE TYPE AND THE TYPE B.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BLUE REPRESENTS THE QUARTER CENT SALES TAX, UH, AMOUNT THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO OVER 10 YEARS, THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT $115 MILLION, UM, IN ROADWAY, UM, UH, MAINTENANCE FUNDS.
SO THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THAT, OF THAT LAST SECTION.
UM, WHEN LOOKING AT THIS CHART, IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE VALUE WOULD BE IN 2024, ASSUMING THAT THE ROADWAY MAINTENANCE TAX WAS ADOPTED, IT REPRESENTS, UM, AT ABOUT 2019 NUMBERS IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD GO TO THE SBDC AND THE MCDC.
IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK FORWARD, IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX YEARS TO GET BACK TO THOSE SAME LEVELS.
ASSUMING THAT THERE WAS A QUARTER CENT, A DIVERSION TOWARDS A ROADWAY MAINTENANCE.
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HERE ARE THE OOPS, I WANT TO JUMP AHEAD.SO HERE ARE THE SIX OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF THEIR IMPACT ON THE PCI SCORE.
SO THE FIRST IS THE NO FUNDING OPTION.
SO IF THE CITY WERE NOT TO PUT ANY MONEY INTO ITS ROADWAYS, SECOND IS THE CURRENT BUDGET.
THIRD IS THE ROADWAY FEE, AND THAT'S THE $4 PER MONTH, UH, CHARGE ON THE WATER BILL.
WE HAVE THE $50 MILLION BOND, THE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BOND.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE SALES TAX OPTION, THE RED ARROWS REPRESENT A DECREASE FROM EXISTING FUNDING LEVELS AND THE GREEN ARROWS REPRESENT AN INCREASE FROM EXISTING OR FROM EXISTING FUNDING LEVELS.
ONCE WE PUT THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SCENARIOS INTO THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT, UH, CONDITION INDEX MODEL.
SO GENERALLY WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE SAME DOWNWARD TREND, ALTHOUGH IT IS LESS.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE HERE REPRESENTS THE NO FUNDING OPTIONS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ROADWAY CONDITIONS GET INTO THE FAIR TO THE POOR CATEGORY FAIRLY QUICK.
UH, THE TOP OPTION, WHICH IS THE DASH LINE REPRESENTS, UH, THE SALES TAX OPTION.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE IS WHAT YOU SEE AS AN INFLECTION POINT IN THE SHAPE OF THE CURVE.
AND WHAT THAT REPRESENTS IS THAT THERE'S MANY MORE STREETS THAT ARE STARTING TO BECOME DUE FOR A ROADWAY MAINTENANCE AT THE MODEL PREDICTS.
SO THINK OF ROADWAYS LIKE WITHIN STONEBRIDGE THAT ARE STARTING TO NEAR THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
SO THE 40 TO 50 YEAR LIFE CYCLE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN SEE THERE, BUT AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH THE DOWNWARD TREND IS IN ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS, THE, UM, THE RATE OF DETERIORATION IS EXCEEDING THE RATE OF REINVESTMENT.
SO IN SUMMARY, UH, WE RECOMMEND THAT WE UPDATE THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN EVERY THREE YEARS, SO THAT WE CAN LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON THE, ON THE, UH, RE-INVESTMENT AND THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ON THE ROADWAYS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE OVERALL PCI INDEX, UH, BE WITHIN THE FAIR CATEGORY.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ASSIGNING IT TO THAT SUBJECTIVE TERM OR REC MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT.
WE RECOMMEND DEVELOPING FUNDING STRATEGIES TO SUPPORT ROADWAYS FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS, WE RECOMMEND AN INCREASED FOCUS ON PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION.
SO IT'S MUCH MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO SPEND MONEY ON PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE THAN IT IS WAITING UNTIL THE ROADWAY COMPLETELY DETERIORATES, AND YOU HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT IT.
AND LASTLY, WE RECOMMEND TO CONTINUE WITH THESE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE SERIES AND PROPOSE TO, UH, PRESENT, UM, INFORMATION ON THE VILLAGE FACILITIES, AS WELL AS THE SEWER AND WATER MAINS AT A LATER DATE.
SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'RE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
SO DOES MCKINNEY HAVE THEIR OWN CREW TO RE I KNOW THEY HAVE TO REPAIR THE STREETS? HOW ABOUT TO REPLACE THE STREETS OR DO WE, UM, HAVE OTHER SUB THAT OUT OR HOW DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO WHEN WE ARE REPLACING A SECTION OF STREET? SURE.
SO IF I CAN GET BACK TO THAT, OR IS THIS JUST ALL DONE INTERNALLY BY EMPLOYEES? SO, UH, THE ANSWER IS BOTH.
SO SOME OF THE WORK IS DONE INTERNAL BILIN, KENNY EMPLOYEES, AND SOME OF THE WORK IS DONE BY CONTRACTORS.
THE ROUGH LINE ABOUT WHERE WE SPLIT THE WORK IS SOMEWHERE IN THIS CATEGORY HERE.
SO, UH, WE, WE DO HAVE CREWS THAT DO PANEL REPLACEMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE CONTRACTORS THAT ALSO HELP OUT WITH PANEL REPLACEMENT BASED ON THE VOLUME OF WORK, GENERALLY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UH, ARE THAT INVOLVE RECONSTRUCTION ARE HANDLED THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS TO BE DEVELOPED AS WELL AS TO BID OUT THE PROJECTS, ALL PATCHING AND MINOR REHABILITATION ARE HANDLED BY PUBLIC WORKS.
I WOULD THINK THAT IT'S MORE MONEY TO SUB IT OUT THAN IT IS FOR US TO DO IT.
IT DEPENDS ON WORKLOAD AND INDEPENDENT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY WHEN YOU CAN GENERATE ECONOMIES OF SCALE.
AND IN OUR CASE, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT BACKLOG OF WORK FOR PAVEMENT PATCHING AND CRACK SEALING.
SO IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT WORK IN HOUSE.
IF WE EVER HAD TO SUPPLEMENT THAT WORK, SAY THAT THERE WAS MORE WORK THAN WE COULD HANDLE.
THEN INSTEAD OF ADDING ON CREWS AT A PARTICULAR TIME, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTING A PORTION OF THAT WORKOUT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, GENERALLY THE MAINTENANCE IS HANDLED INTERNALLY.
SO I GUESS, CAUSE MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS, IS ALL OF A SUDDEN, WAIT, LET'S SAY WE DO, LET'S GO.
WE GO TO THE, THE, THE, THE TAX ROUTE WHERE NOW WE KNOW PRETTY MUCH THAT WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS COMING IN.
SO WE PRETTY MUCH KNOW THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, NINE OR $10 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS TO, TO THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE ROADS.
WOULD WE INCREASE THAT? I MEAN, WHEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO FIX ROADS FASTER, BETTER REPLACE ROADS, FASTER, BETTER TYPE THING.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL, RIGHT? SO, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, IF WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, UH, AMOUNT OF MONEY
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DEDICATED TO ROADWAYS, IT WOULD BE A BALANCED APPROACH WHERE WE WOULD HAVE SOME MONEY BEING DEDICATED TO MAINTENANCE, SOME MONEY DEDICATED TO THE MAJOR REHABILITATION AND SOME AMOUNT DEDICATED TO RECONSTRUCTION JUST BY THE VERY NATURE OF RECONSTRUCTION.THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LARGER AMOUNT TOWARDS RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT COSTS A LOT MORE TO REPLACE A ROADWAY.
BUT WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT WE'RE ALSO DOING THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE SPENDING A DOLLAR WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE IS FAR MORE COST-EFFECTIVE BECAUSE YOU CAN EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT PAVEMENT OUT FOR, FOR A LONGER PERIOD.
SO DO YOU HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO DO THAT? UH, I MEAN, W WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE SOMEBODY'S BUDGET BY LET'S SAY $10 MILLION.
WHAT IS THAT THROUGH NEW EMPLOYEES? IS THAT THROUGH AS FAR AS MORE CREWS, THINGS LIKE THAT, OR, OR IS THAT GOING TO GO TO CONTRACTORS TO HELP SUPPLEMENT WHAT WE CAN DO? SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS IT WOULD BE BOTH.
SO YES, WE WOULD HIRE NEW EMPLOYEES TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES FOR THE INCREASED WORKLOAD, BUT CONTRACTORS WOULD ALSO BE HIRED FOR THE RECONSTRUCTIONS AS WELL AS THE MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT THE TAX OR THE FEE SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S EASILY SCALABLE AS OUR MILES CONTINUE TO GO UP, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD, THEY WOULD THEORETICALLY GROW AT A SIMILAR PACE, THE, THE $4 FEE THAT YOU'VE, YOU THREW OUT THERE.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT, THAT GENERATES 13 MILLION? IS THAT WHAT THAT NOTE? SO IT GENERATES 4.2 MILLION.
AND SO THE REFERENCE THAT WE USE WITH THE CURRENT STORM, THE STORM WATER FEE, SO WE JUST ASSUMED IT THAT THE STORMWATER FEE WOULD BE THE SAME JUST TO GIVE YOU, YOU ALL A SCALE OF WHAT THAT FEE WOULD BE.
SO IF YOU, INSTEAD OF A $4 FEE WAS AN $8 FEE, THE, MY EXPECTATION, IT WOULD BE 8.4 MILLION FOR PER YEAR, WHICH IS THEN COMPARABLE TO THE 10 MILLION ON THE, ON THE, UH, SALES TAX.
OR YOU USE THE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN BONDING OVER 10 YEARS, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT 10 MILLION A YEAR.
IS THAT RIGHT? UH, SO IF YOU HAD ANOTHER 4.2 TO ICE, NUMBER THREE, THAT WOULD BE A 17.8 OR 17.7.
SO YEAH, YOU'RE GETTING UP TO THE SAME LEVEL.
UM, SO THE, IN THE, WITHIN THE CHART, SO THE LINE WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THIS ONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS, THIS CHART IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THE MORE MONEY YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THE ROADWAYS, THE FLATTER THE LINE BECOMES, IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THERE IS A BACKLOG WITH, UH, THE ROADS THAT FALL INTO THE POOR CONDITION THAT WOULD REQUIRE RECONSTRUCTION, THAT YOU SHOULD ACCELERATE SOME, SOME AMOUNT OF, OF DOLLAR SPENT, UM, OR MAYBE MIX WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE YOU BOND SOME AND FIND A, A DEDICATED FEE FOR ON AN ONGOING BASIS? YES, THE, THE, THE MODEL IS PREDICATED ON A MIX OF DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION STRATEGIES.
SO WE'RE ASSUMING THAT AS PART OF ANY ONE OF THESE OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD BE DOING BOTH RECONSTRUCTION, REPLACES PANEL REPLACEMENTS AND PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AS WELL.
SO WE WOULD WANT, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT WOULD BE A COLLECTION OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT MANAGEMENTS REHABILITATION STRATEGIES.
UM, SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE A HARD DISCUSSION BECAUSE IN SOME CASES YOU'RE PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS CRACK SEALING PATCHING ON A ROADWAY THAT IS IN BETTER CONDITION THAN SAY AN ADJACENT ROADWAY THAT'S IN WORSE CONDITION, UM, BECAUSE IT MAY NEED TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.
UM, BUT AS YOU SAW FROM THE OTHER CHART, UH, IT'S MUCH MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO BE SPENDING MONEY ON PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE WHEN YOU CAN AT, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT ROADWAY.
I'D WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO POINT OUT THE FEE THAT IS UNDER THE SCENARIO.
IF YOU COULD SHOW THAT AGAIN, RYAN, THE MATRIX, THERE WE GO.
THE FEE UNDER THE, UM, UM, ROADWAY FEE, KEEP IN MIND THAT WOULD GO TO MCKINNEY HOUSEHOLDS.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE FEE THAT WOULD GO TO WATER BILLING ACCOUNTS.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE BORN EXCLUSIVELY BY MCKINNEY HOUSEHOLDS, THE SALES TAX ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, WOULD BE SPREAD OUT DISTRIBUTED TO THOSE WHO COME TO TOWN AND SPEND MONEY IN MCKINNEY.
SO ARGUABLY YOU'RE SPREADING SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE LIABILITY TO THOSE WHO ARE COMING INTO TOWN AND USING OUR ROADWAYS AND SERVICES, ET CETERA.
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UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE CLEAR ON THOSE, THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO ALSO, I SAY IT WOULD BE A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY, I'M NOT SAYING THIS WOULD BE THE CASE, BUT IT WOULD BE A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY THAT, UM, AS WE LOOK AT THAT 9.6 AT 13.6, OF COURSE, THAT GROWS WITH SALES TAX REVENUES.UM, THAT, UH, IF WE DID NOT SPEND, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID NOT NEED TO SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN A YEAR, THAT MONEY THAT WOULD NOT BE SPENT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND WOULD OFFSET PROPERTY TAXES IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE DRAWN IT HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, I'M DRAWING A VERY STRAIGHT LINE BETWEEN TWO SUBJECTS, BUT, BUT AT THE END, IT DOES MANIFEST INTO A SAVINGS.
YOU COULD BOND THE SALES TAX REVENUE STRAIN, RIGHT? YOU COULD USE THAT FOR ISSUING DEBT.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY.
AND THE COUNCIL SAYS, YES, WE NEED TO INVEST MORE MONEY IN THE ROADS.
UM, THEN YOU CAN DO THE SCENARIOS FOUR OR FIVE.
YOU CAN ISSUE BONDS, BUT THOSE BONDS ARE BEING PAID BY THE PROPERTY TAXPAYERS.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL OTHER OPTIONS.
UM, THE, THE FEES OR THE TAX SCENARIO WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLOCATING SALES TAX, DO YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN A SET AMOUNT OR CAN IT BE, HAS TO BE A QUARTER CENT DEDICATION? IT HAS TO BE IN 1 CENT INCREMENTS INCREMENTS.
UM, THE BOND, IF WE WENT THE BOND ROUTE, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET AUTHORIZATION.
WE'D HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE, OKAY.
SO YOU PROBABLY, WOULD YOU JUST HAVE A BOND ELECTION JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE OR WOULD YOU HAVE AN OVERALL BUNDLE ISSUE FOR THE HEALTH SECTOR? NORMALLY YOU HAVE OTHER BONDS THAT YOU BRING FORWARD.
UM, YOU HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF TIMING AND STRATEGY AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT ELSE IS COMING, BUT YOU COULD JUST DO A ROADWAY BOND.
YOU KNOW, VOTERS TYPICALLY ARE FAVORABLE TOWARD ROAD MAINTENANCE AND ROAD CONSTRUCTION, A BOND STATE THEY USUALLY PASS.
UM, AND YOU COULD, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ISSUE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BOND AND LIVE OFF THE FAT OF THAT FOR 10 YEARS, FIVE OR 10 YEARS.
AND THEN WHEN THAT'S DONE, YOU MOVE ON TO ANOTHER ONE, YOU COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.
JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE ALSO BEING PAID BY THE PROPERTY TAXPAYERS.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'RE OFFERING YOU THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU TO EVALUATE AS A, AS A MATTER OF POLICY.
NOTICE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION PRESIDENTS ARE NOT HERE, IS THAT BY HAPPENSTANCE OR DO WE THROW A PARTY AND INVITE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE TONIGHT? IS THAT, IS THAT JUST LUCK OR IS THAT PLANNING? ARE THEY WATCHING THEY SEE THERE'S MONEY ON THE BOARD? YEAH, WELL, I WOULD COUNSEL THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO BOTH THE PRESIDENTS OF BOTH, UH, ADC AND CDC, AS WELL AS THE CHAIRPERSONS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, TH THIS IS NOT AN ADVOCACY.
UH, AND I WANTED IT AS A COURTESY TO MAKE SURE THEY KNEW THAT THIS WOULD BE PUT OUT THERE.
UM, SO IT SHOULD NOT BE A SURPRISE TO ANYONE THAT I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE.
I'M JUST LETTING IT FOR THE RECORD COMEDIC CAREER THAT I STARTED LAST SATURDAY.
SO, SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? THIS IS JUST SOMETHING FOR US TO STUDY, OR IS IT, UM, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU.
YOU COULD CERTAINLY OFFER US FEEDBACK HERE.
YOU CAN OFFER IT TO US INFORMALLY, UH, IN THE COMING WEEKS TO KIND OF LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS.
WE DO WANT TO GET AN IDEA OF WHERE DOES THE COUNCIL, WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US PURSUING, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH, IF YOU SAY, WELL, JAY, WE LIKE THEM ALL.
UM, WELL WE CAN LOOK AT SOME SORT OF A MIXTURE OR SOME OTHERS THAT DIVE DOWN, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON HERE THAT'S JUST OFF LIMITS.
WE'D WANT TO KNOW THAT TOO, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME OR YOURS.
I THINK FOR ME, IT'S NUMBER ONE.
WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WELL, IT'S THE CONDITION ABOUT, SO OUR OVERALL PCI SCORE RIGHT NOW IS 71.
AND THEN WITH THIS BEST CASE SCENARIO, WE'RE STILL GOING TO DECLINE FROM THAT UP INTO 2030.
SO WHAT IS THE GOAL FOR OUR PCI? LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHERE SHOULD WE BE, OR IS THIS ACCEPTABLE? AND SINCE WE'RE SEEING A DECLINE NOW FOR THE NEXT NINE YEARS, SHOULD THERE BE MORE OF AN INVESTMENT SO THAT WE GET UP INTO THAT SATISFIED SATISFACTORY RANGE? THAT'S A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE STAFF HAS OFFERED A RECOMMENDATION, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S A POLICY DECISION BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE USE THE SUBJECT, USE THE SUBJECTIVE TERM OF FAIR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING MAINTAIN THIS.
HOWEVER, THOUGH, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THE FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION SHOW A DECLINE IN THE PCI SCORE, UM, IT'S DIFFICULT IF YOU WERE TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL IT GETS TO THIS POINT.
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WELL, AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MUCH BIGGER BOND AMOUNTS, AND THOSE ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT PROJECTS TO MANAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH MORE.UM, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, CONTINUOUS DEDICATED SOURCES OF FUNDING ARE EASIER FOR, YOU KNOW, STAFF TO MANAGE THOSE KINDS OF PROJECTS, TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE PCI SCORES OVER THE LONGTERM, MAINTAIN IT AT THE LEVEL THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ESTABLISHES AS THE POLICY COUNSEL.
SO IF YOU WERE TO SAY, I WOULD DISCOURAGE IT, I WOULD NEVER ENCOURAGE A CITY COUNCIL TO BE LOCKED INTO A NUMBER.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO SAY, OUR PCI GOAL IS 70, THEN FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, COUNCILS ARE GOING TO BE, BE DEVILED BY A FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T MAKE A 70 PERHAPS.
AND, UM, BUT I RANGE LIKE WHAT RYAN IS SHOWING HERE IS SHOWING A RANGE OF FAIR, A FAIR ROADWAY.
60 IS NOT A BAD ROADWAY AT ALL.
UM, AND IT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN BRING THE ONES THAT ARE IN POOR CONDITION UP, UP TO GRADE.
SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY SEE AN OVERALL SYSTEMIC, VERY GRADUAL OVERALL SYSTEM DECLINE, BY GOING TO $20 MILLION A YEAR, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE WORST ROADS GET IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND THAT MAKES IT, THAT'S VERY MEANINGFUL FOR, FOR, FOR THOSE FOLKS AND FOR THE OVERALL SYSTEM.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE SORT OF YOUR AVERAGE SYSTEM ROADWAY.
IT'S ABOUT WHERE THE IMPACTS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN BE DOING AND DESIGN OR IN, UM, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS OR, OR KIND OF FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY AND PLACES.
WHAT, WHAT THINGS CAN WE DO B COULD WE BE DOING THE CHANGE, THE INPUT INTO THE NEED FOR THESE FUNDS AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL? WELL, UM, FROM A TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND HOW WE CAN BEST USE CITY FUNDS TO BE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE IN MAINTAINING THE ROADWAYS.
UM, SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THE WORK.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME OVERLAY OPTIONS FOR CONCRETE STREETS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED IN THE AREA.
UM, AND THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
HOWEVER THOUGH, UH, ROADWAY, REPAIRS AND ROADWAY MAINTENANCE AND ROADWAY REPLACEMENT IS A PRETTY SET COMMODITY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING TO MAKE IT MORE COST-EFFECTIVE, BUT HOW WE DO THAT WORK IS GENERALLY, UM, BEEN THE SAME, UM, IN TERMS OF WAYS TO REDUCE THE FUTURE COSTS.
WELL, CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE LESS INFRASTRUCTURE, AS YOU WERE SUGGESTING, YOU HAD MORE DENSITY IN LESS INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN THERE WOULD BE, UM, A GREATER ABILITY TO PAY FOR THOSE ROADWAYS BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE MORE TAXPAYERS AND LESS QUANTITY OF ROADWAYS.
HOWEVER, THOSE ARE, UM, IMPACTFUL TO OTHER POLICY DECISIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SET RELATIVE TO DENSITY AND, AND ROADWAY WIDTHS, AND THE LIKE, AND WE'D HAVE TO HAVE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE UP HERE THAT'S OPPOSED TO LOOKING FURTHER INTO THE, TO SCALABLE, UM, MODEL SAYS, WELL, START WITH THE SALES TAX, ANYONE THAT'S OPPOSED TO THAT SALES TAX, AGAIN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT ADDING A SALES TAX WHERE WE'RE, UM, REALLOCATING JUST SITTING AND WHAT NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST IT, AND I'M WILLING TO LISTEN, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF MY, I DON'T LIKE TO GET INTO THE SBDC AND THE MCDC MONEY.
I THINK THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
AND ONCE YOU, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU DO IT ONCE THEN, IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE WHERE YOU TAKE SOME MORE AND BIG BELIEVER IN USING LITTLE SALES TAX TO INCREASE OUR TAX BASE? YEAH, I FEEL LIKE, AND I, I AGREE.
I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT FOR ME.
UM, OF COURSE, TWO THINGS THOUGH, UH, HAVING A MORE IMPROVED AND BETTER ROAD SYSTEM, UM, FOR ME, UH, IS IN A, IN A STRONG, UM, YOU KNOW, WAY SUPPORTING BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, AND SO, AND OF COURSE THIS WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS AND THE VOTERS WOULD DECIDE IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM OR NOT TO USE THOSE FUNDS.
SO I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PURSUING IT MYSELF.
AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M VOTING FOR IT.
I, AND I'M THE, I'M IN THE SAME BOAT WITH YOU, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ROADS, WE DON'T HAVE THE WAY TO GET THERE.
AND FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S BEEN, ONE OF THE BIGGER COMPLAINTS WE'VE HAD HERE IS IF THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO GET THE ROADS.
AND IF YOU GO AROUND THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE FIRST THING THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET THERE.
AND TH WAS SCOTT, WE GOTTA HAVE A WAY
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TO DO IT, AND THERE'S THE MONEY.SO I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT BETTER, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE BETTER THE CANVAS FOR PEOPLE TO GET.
I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR THE BONDING MECHANISMS UP THERE.
I DO LIKE A FEW OF THOSE SCENARIOS, BUT I, I, UNLESS WE NEEDED A BOND IN THE PROCESS EXCISE POTENTIALLY BIG, THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN.
WE WEREN'T GETTING THE PARTICIPATION YEAH.
WE ALSO LOOK, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE HAVE THESE OTHER PHONES AND WE HAVE RESERVED FUNDS IN EACH ONE OF THESE, UM, DEPARTMENTS OR WHATEVER.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHOOTING FOR 20 MILLION AND WHY DON'T WE SHOOT FOR 25 MILLION? AND SO WE HAVE A FUND BALANCE IN THERE.
SO IF WE COME WITH THEM, YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
THEN WE HAD FUNDS THERE DURING THE YEAR TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I JUST HAVE TO BE USED FOR THEIR SPECIFIC YEAH.
MR. HOLLOWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE INTERCOM PETER TO PAY PAUL.
WE HAVE FUN BALANCES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS.
I THINK WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS SETTING UP ANOTHER RESERVE FUND.
ALL OF A SUDDEN SAYING THAT RESERVE FUND COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS BY WAY OF FLOWING, IF NEED BE.
WE CAN DO A CITY COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS INITIATE AN INTER-FUND LOAN.
MAYBE YOU
CAN YOU CUT THAT MICROPHONE OFF? I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE TAX WOULD BE FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR, NOT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, CIP DOLLARS TO BUILD NEUTRAL ENOUGH.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S A DISTINCTION THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
THE OTHER THING IS IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO CONSIDER THE ELECTION, THE ELECTION IS IT'S AN IF THEN TYPE PROPOSITION YOU'RE ASKING THE VOTER, OR DO THEY WANT TO REDUCE ONE OF THE TYPE, A OR TYPE FEES FOR THE TAX ITSELF FOR THE ROAD REPAIR.
IF THEY VOTE, IT'S NOT, DO YOU WANT TO REDUCE THIS, BUT YOU DON'T GET THEM.
YOU CAN'T REDUCE THOSE WITHOUT PUTTING THE MONEY INTO THE MAINTENANCE.
SO THE PROPOSITION WOULD BE ONLY IF THE VOTERS WANT TO HAVE THE FUNDS TO GO TO THE MAINTENANCE, RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME NUANCES YOU CAN DO, YOU HAVE TO DO ONE 8%.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO BOTH BOARDS.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHO GETS WHAT AND TAKES TUNES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO BOTH BOARDS AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU ALSO CAN MIX FEES WITH TAX.
YOU KNOW, THE FEE THAT, UH, RYAN MENTIONED CAN BE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM THIS POT BUCKET, OTHER FROM THE SALES TAX BUCKET, OTHER FROM GEO BOND BUCKETS.
SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. GRIMES SAID TO EXPLORE VARIOUS WAYS TO GET TO A NUMBER, WHICH I GUESS THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO LET US KNOW WHICH W WHAT AMOUNT OF REPAIR, YOU KNOW, PER YEAR, WHEREAS EVERYBODY ON THE, UM, FEED THE WATER BILL FEE, OPEN-MINDED NON-COMMITTED, I WILL SAY FROM OUR SENIORS, THAT'S A HUGE COMPLAINT ON THE WATER BILLS.
AND WE KNOW THAT THE STORY OF ONE OF THE POOLS THAT WEREN'T EVEN FILLED, UH, DIRT FROM THE SUMMER BECAUSE OF THE WATER FEES.
SO, AND, UH, THAT THEY COULDN'T EVEN FILL THEIR POOL SO THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE FEES FOR IT.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT.
SO I'M NOT, NOT REAL HAPPY WITH GOING, LOOKING FOR THE INCREASE THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR SECTION.
SO THAT'S, WE'VE ALREADY INCREASED THE WAY THE RACE, THE WASTEWATER HAS ALSO GONE UP.
SO WE WERE JUST INCREASED THAT ANGER AND GARBAGE.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHEN I'M OUT THERE TALKING TO CONSTITUENTS, NOBODY MINDS PAN A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ROADS AND GOOD QUALITY ROADS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT RESONATES WITH OUR, OUR CITIZENS, THAT THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AN EXTRA $2 OR WHATEVER, $3 A MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT MOST ARE WILLING TO PAY TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE ROADS TO THAT POINT.
IT IS JUST A FIXED GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UH, YESTERDAY I HAD, I WAS TALKING TO A COUPLE AND THEY WERE LIKE, THEY'RE FINALLY FIXING THOSE HOLES ON VALLEY CREEK.
AND THEY JUST, LIKE, WE HAVE COMPLAINED FOR YEARS.
SO THEY PAY ATTENTION TO THE ROADS IMMENSELY.
I THINK WE ALL GOTTEN THE EMAILS OVER THE ROADS ON, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT ONE THAT HAS BEEN, THEY'RE JUST OLDER, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLDER PART OF THE OLDEST.
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WAS A GOOD POINT.THE POINT IS, BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S NOT A FEE THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, INCREASES WITH USAGE.
IT'S JUST A COUPLE BUCKS AND MAYBE IT'S A COMBINATION.
MAYBE IT'S $2 AND SAID FORT ME, BUT WHATEVER, EVERYONE BE OPEN TO THOSE TWO THINGS THAT TO LOOK FURTHER, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT COMMITTING, BUT WE'RE STRONGLY OPEN-MINDED AND NON COMMITTED BY IT'S A NUMBERS ONE AND TWO, THE CONSENSUS IS THAT'S NOT STATUS QUO IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
CERTAINLY REDUCING FUNDING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
UM, FOCUS STAFF WILL FOCUS ON THREE THROUGH SIX, THE BONDS, YES OR NO IN THE BONDS OR COMBINATION OR COMBINATION COMBINATION.
I MEAN, WE CAN COME BACK WITH YOU WITH SOME SCENARIOS, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, AS WE, AS WE EXPLORE THIS FURTHER, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET OUR MARCHING ORDERS CLEAR, OKAY.
SOMETHING THAT'S STICKING OUT IN MY MIND ON OPTIONS, THE TWO OPTIONS INVOLVED IN THE BONDS.
AND IT COULD BE JUST THE WAY IT'S EXPLAINED HERE IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT FEARS TO ME THAT THAT IS DROPPING THE BURDEN OF THE ROADWAYS SOLELY ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND NOT NECESSARILY ON THE RESIDENTS, UH, IF ON THOSE TWO METHODS, BECAUSE IT, IF WE'RE FUNDING IT TOTALLY FROM PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, THEN THAT MEANS THAT ALL THE FOLKS THAT BOUGHT ROTORS BRINGING HERE IN HIS NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, AREN'T SHARING EQUALLY AND THEIR CHAIR FOR SCREWING UP OUR ROADWAYS.
SO YEAH, YOU MIGHT ALREADY BE PROPERTY TAXES.
THE PROPERTY TAXES ARE BAKED INTO THE RENT, OF COURSE, BUT WITHOUT, WITHOUT EXEMPTIONS TOO, WITHOUT EXEMPTIONS FOR SENIORS OR HOMESTEADS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY'D PROBABLY PAY A HIGHER PERCENTAGE PROPERTY TAX, THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND I WOULDN'T MIND GIVING THEM A HIGHER PERCENTAGE.
I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT YOU HAVE THE TUTORS ZONES THAT ALSO CAN BOND FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN THOSE AREAS FOR ROADWAY, UH, WHICH CAN BE NEW AND, AND REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR.
SO THOSE ARE FUNDS ALSO THAT WE CAN PUT INTO THE MATRIX, BUT THOSE ARE LIMITED TO THE GEOGRAPHY OF THOSE TWO ZONES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALL OPEN TO LOOKING FOR THEIR THREE THROUGH SIX.
IS THAT ENOUGH INFO FOR NOW? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 2 1 0 9 0 5
[Discussion on State Highway 5 Deck Park]
DISCUSSION ON STATE HIGHWAY FIVE, DECK PARK.YOU BETTER SAY SOMETHING GOOD.
OH, NO PRESSURE REVENUE AND COUNCIL, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT GARY GRAHAM, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, UH, HERE TO TALK ABOUT HIGHWAY FIVE, DECK PARK, THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH, UH, TXDOT AND NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, KIND OF GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO I THINK THIS FIRST SLIDE SHOWS YOU, WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT? YOU LOOK AT AS HIGHWAY FIVE AND THE SLIDE ON THE LEFT OR THE PICTURE ON THE TOP LEFT IS, UH, LOOK AT ACROSS LOUISIANA.
AND THIS ONE ON THE TOP, RIGHT'S LOOKING ACROSS VIRGINIA.
IT'S NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE WITH ALL THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGHWAY FIVE.
UM, WE WANT TO BRIDGE THE TWO AREAS AND HELP REESTABLISH A CONNECTION THAT WAS, UH, TAKEN AWAY WHEN HIGHWAY FIVE WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED.
SO PEDESTRIAN ACTIVE CONNECTIVITY IS, IS CHALLENGING.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING THE DECK PARK AND, UM, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES, UM, THAT YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT CONNECTIVITY.
THE TOP LEFT PHOTO IS A AS A DECK PARK EXAMPLE, THE MIDDLE LEFT PHOTO IS, UM, A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE CROSSING.
THE BOTTOM LEFT IS ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE AT GREAT INTERSECTION.
UH, THE TOP RIGHT IS ANOTHER, UM, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND THEN THE BOT OR THE MIDDLE, RIGHT.
UM, OR BOTTOM, RIGHT? WHATEVER IS, UH, ANOTHER DECK PARK.
BUT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THE AREA IN THE MIDDLE IN THAT RED BOX REPRESENTS.
WE CAN DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
WHAT ARE THOSE CHALLENGES? WHAT ARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES? UM, WHAT ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE AREA, UM, COMFORTABLE WITH? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT.
SO LET ME GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT OF HOW WE GOT WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO BACK IN 2012, 2013, WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT FROM NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS RECEIVE FUNDING TO DO A HIGHWAY FIVE CONTEXT-SENSITIVE MASTER PLAN TXDOT.
AND THE COD WERE PARTNERS WITH THAT.
WE DEVELOPED A GREAT GRAPHIC OR A GREAT PLAN THAT TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT CONTEXT ZONES
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FROM THE NORTHERN CITY LIMITS, ALL THE WAY TO SOUTHERN CITY LIMITS DIFFERENT AREAS ALONG THE HIGHWAY FIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, NEEDED DIFFERENT TREATMENTS.WE CAME UP TYPICAL SECTIONS TEXTS THAT WENT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DESIGN SCHEMATIC ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, DOCUMENT FOR THE HIGHWAY FIVE PROJECT.
AND THEY SAID, THAT'S GREAT CITY, BUT WE DESIGNED ROADS THIS WAY AND SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO THAT WAS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING ON STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD AND THEY ADOPTED THEIR SCHEMATIC IN 2020.
UM, ALSO IN 2020, THE COUNCIL, UH, WE PRESENTED A, UH, PLACEMAKING, UM, DISTRICT PLACEMAKING IDEA.
AND HOW DID THAT CAME THE IDEA OF THE DECK PARK? AND SO STAFF STARTED TO EXPLORE THAT THAT WAS STRUCTURED FROM COUNCIL, EXPLORE DECK PARK IN THIS GENERAL AREA.
UH, IN 2020, WE ALSO STARTED OUR EAST MCKINNEY OUTREACH, UH, TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT PROJECTS WERE GOING ON.
EAST HIGHWAY FIVE, WE COMPLETED THAT, UM, UH, HIGH, HIGH, REALLY HIGH LEVEL FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR A DUCK PARK.
WE LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.
ONE IS IF YOU DEPRESS HIGHWAY FIVE TO KEEP THAT CROSSING ACROSS VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA, BASICALLY LEVEL AS IT IS TODAY, ANOTHER ONE EXAMPLE OR A ALTERNATE, WE LOOKED AT IT AS IF YOU HAD, UH, BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
YOU COULD ONLY DO A PARTIAL DEPRESSION, WHICH CREATED LIKE A LITTLE HUMP GOING ACROSS HIGHWAY FIVE AND VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA.
WE KIND OF SAID, OKAY, WHAT IF WE HAD TO DO A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, THEN TXDOT ALSO HAS BEEN PROCEEDING WITH THE DESIGN OF HIGHWAY FIVE BASED ON, UM, THAT IMPROVED ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT.
WHEN I FLASHED THIS GRAPHIC UP HERE, YOU GUYS ALL KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING, UM, EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING, A LOT OF GREAT WORKS UNDER PLANS, SOME PRIVATE, SOME CITY FUNDED, SOME FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND YET TO HAPPEN.
AND WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS EVERY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS COULD BE IMPACTED BY WHATEVER WE DECIDE WITH THE HIGHWAY FIVE PROJECT, THE EXISTING PROJECT, THAT DECK PARK, UM, THEY ALL COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF IMPACT ON ACCESS, UM, ON, UM, TIMING, UM, DESIGN IMPACTS A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS.
WE JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF, AS WE MOVE FORWARD SPECIFICALLY ON THE HIGHWAY FIVE PROJECT TXDOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WENT IN AND COMPLETED WHAT THEY CALL THE, THE NEPA ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, UH, THAT'S THE DESIGN ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE AND INCLUDE THAT IN 2020, THOSE ARE FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT TXDOT HAS TO MEET WITH FOR ANY FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT.
AND SO TXDOT IS SAYING, OKAY, DEPENDING ON ANY SHAPE OF CHANGE, THE CITY COMES TO THEM AND ASKING FOR ON THE CURRENT PROJECTS ALREADY BEEN, UM, EVALUATED AND GONE THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER REDO A RE-EVALUATION OR MAYBE A WHOLE NEW EVALUATION.
SO, UM, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY KNOW, UM, WHAT ALTERNATIVE WE WANT TO COME TO TECH STOCK WITH, BUT ANY EVALUATION WILL PROVE ALL FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVES.
SO IF WE WANT TO DO A DECK PARK, THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO SAY, WHAT ABOUT A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE? WHAT ABOUT, UM, AT GRADE IMPROVEMENTS? AND SO THOSE WILL ALL BE LOOKED AT THROUGH THAT ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GO TO THAT NEXT BULLET, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIG PART OF THESE NEPA DOCUMENTS IS THEY DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE SURPRISED ABOUT THE AREA AROUND THEM.
THEY WANT THE STAKEHOLDERS AWARE AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
SO AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY TAKE ALL THOSE COMMENTS.
THEN TEXTILE HAS TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THEM.
NOT EVERYBODY LIKES THE ANSWERS THEY GET, BUT THEY GET A RESPONSE BACK FROM TXDOT AND IT SOMETIMES INFLUENCES THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE ALTERNATIVE WE GO TO TXDOT WITH AND WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ON HIGHWAY FIVE, WE COULD HAVE DIFFERENT IMPACTS TO THE PROJECT.
UM, THE CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE MAY BE, UH, DELAYED.
WE DON'T KNOW, UM, THERE MIGHT NOT BE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION FUNDING, UM, THAT ALSO COULD LEAD TO SOME DELAYS.
THEY COULD SAY, OKAY, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, BUT WE MAY START TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO CONSTRUCT THAT PROJECT THEY COULD SAY IS WE'RE FIGURING OUT WHATEVER WE DO HERE AT HIGHWAY FIVE IN VIRGINIA.
WELL, LET'S STOP THE CURRENT PROJECT AT HARRY MCKILLOP AND HIGHWAY FIVE.
AND SO BILL FROM 75 UP, AND THEN START TO BREAK THIS PROJECT IN DIFFERENT PHASES, UM, THEY COULD SAY, GREAT, DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND WE'LL INCORPORATE IT ALL INTO ONE PROJECT AGAIN, UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR FROM TEXTILE.
THEY CAN'T GIVE US A GREAT ANSWER AT THIS TIME AT A STAFF LEVEL, THOUGH, WE DO KNOW IF WE WANT TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT WE WANT TO.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE THIS ROADWAY OFF SYSTEM TXDOT.
WHEN THEY DESIGN A ROAD, AS I ALLUDED TO IN THAT HIGHWAY FIVE CORRIDOR STUDY, THEY DO IT A CERTAIN WAY.
WE HAVE CERTAIN LANE WIDTHS, THEY WANT THIS KIND OF OFFSET FROM THE PAVEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STRIPE ON THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT TO THE CURB LINE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE VERY RIGID IN WHAT THEY DO, NOT A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
AND SO IF WE TAKE THAT PROJECT OFF SYSTEM, NOW WE ARE SETTING OUR OWN DESIGN GUIDELINES.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE STILL CERTAIN MINIMUMS WE HAVE TO MEET, RIGHT.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN
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WHAT WE DO NOW.UNFORTUNATELY, RYAN JUST GAVE US A GREAT PRESENTATION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DEMANDS WE HAVE FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING OFF SEVERAL MORE MILES OF THE STATE SYSTEM AND ADDING, ASKING RYAN TO TAKE CARE OF THAT FOR US.
UM, SO, UH, BUT NO, TO GET THE PROJECT THAT WE WANT, I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND IF WE GO WITH THE DECK PARK OPTION, TEXTILE IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE OF THAT DECK PARK ANYWAY.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VALUE LEAVING IT ON SYSTEM.
SO IN THAT VEIN THOUGH, TXDOT, BEFORE WE COME TO THEM, THEY WANT US TO DO A LITTLE DUE DILIGENCE.
THEY WANT US TO KNOW WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR WORK IS REALLY WHEN WE GET TO THE END, IT GETS TO THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SURPRISED DURING THAT PROCESS, BY NOT HAVING PUBLIC SUPPORT, NOT HAVING, UM, MAYBE THERE'S SOME SORT OF DESIGN CHALLENGE WE HAVEN'T.
SO, UH, THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO AN INITIAL FEASIBILITY STUDY, UM, DURING THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT'S TO HAVE TWO SLIDES THROW MYSELF OFF APOLOGIZE.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO TEXTILE ABOUT HOW TO GET THIS THING FUNDED AND THE COG THEY'VE, UH, SET ASIDE SOME MONEY FOR US TO DO THIS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO A CONSULTANT ABOUT SCOPING DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT ITEMS IN THAT WE'VE ALSO PUT TOGETHER A ROUGH LIST OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UH, THAT WOULD HELP EVALUATE WHATEVER SOLUTION WE WANT TO.
NOW, I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THESE, UM, THESE AREN'T SET IN STONE, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS WE'RE BRAINSTORMING AS STAFF.
BUT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO FIRST IS STRENGTHENING CONNECTIONS BETWEEN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND REDEVELOPING AREAS TO THE EAST STITCHING AND KNITTING COMMUNITIES, EAST AND WEST OF HIGHWAY FIVE.
IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH MICHAEL MORRIS, THE DIRECTOR OF THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
THIS HAS REALLY RESONATED WITH HIM.
HE HAS SEEN THIS TYPE OF ROADWAY BUILT IN COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS, WHERE YOU HAVE DIVIDED BY PUTTING A STATE FACILITY, YOU HAVE DIVIDED EAST AND WEST, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THERE IS NOW A DEFINITE GAP BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO HE, THERE IS A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE COG LEVEL.
THIS, THIS REALLY CHECKS THE BOX ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ASPECT OF, UH, MAKING A GREAT COMMUNITY.
UM, THE OTHER ONE IS ENGAGING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, DETERMINED PUBLIC SUPPORT.
WE REALLY NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GET FINISHED WITH WHATEVER ALTERNATIVE AND GO INTO THAT ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN PHASE WITH TXDOT, THAT WE DON'T GET SURPRISED, UM, EITHER BY THE PUBLIC, UM, UM, OR BUSINESS OWNERS ON, ON THE IMPACT OF WHATEVER SOLUTION WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
SO AS WE TALK ABOUT A STUDY, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN STARTED WORKING ON A SCOPE.
YOU HAVE TEXTS THAT MCKENNA MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ON THE LEFT ARE STANDARD INTERSECTION, ALL THE WAY TO A GREAT SEPARATED DECK PARK ON THE RIGHT, THE TYPE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT, UH, IN A FEASIBILITY, UH, ARE THE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS.
UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO THE AREA SURROUNDING IT? SO THE, THE GRAPHIC IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS FROM OUR HIGH LEVEL FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT REPRESENTS THE GREEN, REPRESENTS THE DECK PARK AT VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA.
THE RED LINES ON EACH SIDE REPRESENT, REPRESENT RETAINING WALLS.
AS YOU THINK ABOUT HOW, IF YOU'RE COMING UP TO THE DOWNTOWN FROM SOUTH OF MCKINNEY OR OF MCKINNEY ON HIGHWAY FIVE, AND YOU WANT TO GO EAST OR WEST, HOW THAT'S DESIGNED, HOW DO YOU GET TO VIRGINIA INTO LOUISIANA TO ACCESS ALL THE GREAT AMENITIES AND BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE THERE? SO WE'VE GOT TO REALLY DIG INTO THAT.
UM, THAT ACCESS COMPONENT HAS CIRCULATION COMPONENT.
AS PART OF OUR EAST MOBILITY TRAFFIC STUDY, WE STARTED KIND OF SCRATCHED THE SURFACE THAT GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THAT, OKAY, SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS AT VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA ACROSS HIGHWAY FIVE, DO YOU PUT SOMETHING IN AT LAMAR? DO YOU DO SOMETHING IN STANDIFER? WE NEED TO DIG DEEPER INTO THAT AND DO A LOT MORE ANALYSIS ON THAT, UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS FEASIBLE IN THE DESIGN PHASE, THAT WE CAN STILL PROVIDE ACCESS AS WE TALK TO THE COMMUNITY, WHAT ARE SOME, NO, YOU KNOW, NON-STARTERS FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, WOULD THEY, W W YOU KNOW, THE MERCHANTS ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA SAY, YOU CANNOT SHUT OFF ACCESS TO VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA, IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW DOES THAT INFLUENCE WHAT WE WANT TO ASK FOR FROM TEXTILE? YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF, UM, PROPERTY IMPACTS THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AND ACCOUNTED FOR, AS I MENTIONED, THOSE RETAINING WALLS ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE, THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY TO HIGHWAY FIVE, ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, WHERE THOSE BUSINESSES ARE SITUATED, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET ACCESS? THEY MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO EITHER CHESTNUT ON THE WEST OR WILCOX ON THE EAST.
AND SO NOW WE'RE DOING PROPER DISPLACEMENTS BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS.
SO THESE ARE SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS.
AND SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DESIGN PHASE WITH TXDOT AND NOT HAVE AN
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IDEA OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THESE, OR MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC SUPPORT.OTHER OPERATIONAL IMPACTS INCLUDE DRAINAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF DRAINING SYSTEM.
YOU CAN DEPRESS THIS ROAD AND WHERE'S ALL THAT WATER GONNA GO WHEN IT RAINS, AND YOU CAN PUT A PUMP SYSTEM IN, BUT THAT'S A LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE COST AND HEADACHE THAT REALLY DON'T WANT.
SO THE IDEAL IS TO DO THE GRAVITY, UH, DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
SO IMAGINE DEPRESSING HIGHWAY FIVE 30 FEET, AND THEN WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT FOR WATER TO FLOW TO? SO WE'VE DONE SOME REAL ROUGH CALCULATIONS, AND WE SHOWED THE CREEK OUT HERE TOWARDS ROLLA, I MEAN, UH, TOWARDS, UH, UH, OLD SETTLERS PARK AND IMAGINE TAKING A PIPE THAT'S 30 FEET DEEP FROM HIGHWAY FIVE, 3000 FEET TO THE EAST TO DAYLIGHT OVER IN THAT CREEK.
THAT'S WHAT WE W WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS THAT WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT VIRGINIA PROJECT TO CITY HALL HERE FOR VERY SOON.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THAT DRAINAGE, UH, ELEMENT IN AS PART OF OUR PROJECTS, WE DON'T HAVE TO RIP IT BACK OUT WHEN TXDOT DOES THE DECK PARK, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THOSE ANSWERS.
SO, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER, WE ALSO, VENTILATION IS A BIG CONCERN.
WE'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED ON THE LENGTH AND THE SIZE OF THAT DECK PARK, KINDA.
I HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT THAT IS, BUT IF ONCE THAT DECK PART GETS SO LARGE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT CLYDE WARREN DOWN THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE BIG TURBINES DOWN UNDERNEATH, THAT'S ALL FOR VENTILATION.
IF SOMEONE WHO REPEATED TRAPPED DOWN THERE, THEY GOT TO GET ALL THE NOXIOUS GASES OUT, AND IT'S A SAFETY COMPONENT.
AGAIN, WE WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO THAT, UM, THE SIZE OF THAT PARK.
SO WE DON'T GET INTO THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
WELL, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT NOW, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO USE IN THE DECK PARK? YOU KNOW, AS ACTUALLY BEING THAT CREATIVE AND A COMMUNITY SPACE, WHAT ARE THE TRADE-OFFS THERE WHILE ALSO DOING AN INITIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, WHAT THAT MEANS IS ALL ENCOMPASSING THAT'S ERROR, NO WAYS, UM, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, UH, LOOKING AT CONTAMINATED SOILS, WE'RE KIND OF, WE'LL DO A DESKTOP SURVEY JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE AREN'T ANY RED FLAGS, ANYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DURING THE INITIAL STAGE THAT WE WOULD FIND LATER WHEN THEY DO THE DETAILED ANALYSIS.
AND AGAIN, HITTING THAT PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT COMPONENT, JUST HIGHLIGHTING A FEW, UH, EXAMPLES, UM, THE DIFFERENT, UM, ALTERNATIVES.
SO THE DEBT PARK, UM, WE HAVE THE CLYDE WARREN EXAMPLES ON THE LEFT.
UM, THAT'S ABOUT $110 MILLION PROJECT.
UM, THE CITY CONTRIBUTED 20 MILLION, UH, NOT TO THE 110.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO PHASES THERE.
THE INITIAL DECK PARK WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTION LED OUT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO PRICES HAVE SKYROCKETED SINCE THEN BACK THEN IT WAS ABOUT $60 MILLION.
THE CITY HAD A 20% COST ON THAT, EVERYTHING ABOVE GROUND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT JUST BUILT THE PARK, UH, OR BUILT A STRUCTURE TO HOLD THE PARK, EVERYTHING ABOVE GROUND, WHICH WAS ABOUT 55 MILLION WAS ALL PAID FOR BY PRIVATE DONATIONS, SOUTHERN GATEWAY PHASE ONE DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT IS LOOKING ABOUT 82 MILLION.
THAT'S JUST THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
AND DALLAS IS LOOKING AT PAY ABOUT 10% OF THAT, THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY EXAMPLE HERE.
UM, THE ONE ON THE LEFT, A GRAPHIC FROM SOUTH LAKE, UH, THEY, THEY WERE EXAMINING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING FROM THEIR TOWN CENTER ACROSS, ACROSS, UH, I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON THE FMRI RIGHT THERE THAT GOES TO THE MIDDLE OF SOUTH LAKE.
AND, UM, THE ONE ON THE RIDES FROM UP IN CHICAGO, WE KNOW THAT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES WORK WHEN THERE'S A NICE TOPOGRAPHY ISSUE, LIKE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, JUST CONNECTING THE TWO, UH, CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING UP A SET OF STAIRS.
AND THEN GOING BACK DOWN THE STAIRS JUST A HUNDRED FEET ACROSS, UM, EITHER THAT OR THE, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE HAS TO BE THE ATTRACTION ITSELF, YOU'RE GOING ON THAT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE JUST TO, TO, TO SEE THAT, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE ONE ON THE LEFT FELL APART AND DIDN'T SUCCEED WAS IT WAS JUST CROSSING ANOTHER ROUTE AND YOU HAVE A SIGNAL IT'S NOT TOO FAR AWAY.
SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE A SUCCESSFUL ALTERNATIVE TO CONSIDER FEASIBILITY, UH, OF ENHANCED AT GREAT CROSSINGS.
TEXTILE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE US LOOK AT THAT.
UM, SO TEXTS, DOTS BUILDING, UM, ARE DESIGNING THE ROADWAY.
WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED WITH THEM AS WHAT THEIR CURRENT DESIGN IS, AND WE'VE TOLD THEM THAT THE CURRENT DESIGN HAS GOT TO BE BETTER.
AND SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE ACTUALLY, THEIR CONSULTANT HAS WORKED WITH US TO KIND OF DEVELOP THIS ROUGH ALTERNATIVE ON THE LEFT, YOU KNOW, IT'S COLORED PAVEMENT TREATMENT.
UM, WHAT THEY TRY TO DO WITHIN THE EXISTING MEDIAN IS CREATE A PEDESTRIAN REFEREE REFUGE.
THEY WERE THE LITTLE BLUE ACROSS THE, UH, VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA ON THE WEST SIDE, OR THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE A LITTLE GATEWAY, A LITTLE MONUMENT ACROSS THAT WAS THEIR KIND OF IDEA, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE EVEN AT GRADE.
UM, THE EXAMPLE ON THE RIGHT IS KIND OF JUST A GRAPHICAL EXPRESS, A GRAPHICAL EXPRESSION ILLUSTRATION
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OF ANOTHER, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT SOMEBODY WAS LOOKING AT THAT WE FOUND, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU, YOU COULD REALLY DO SOME, A LOT OF ENHANCEMENT THERE TO KIND OF MAKE IT A, A, A REALLY NEAT, UM, THE CROSSING, AS WE LOOK AT THIS TYPE OF ALTERNATIVE, THOUGH, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS.ONE, WE STAY WITHIN THE EXISTING A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT AWAY, THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH.
BUT THE OTHER ONE IS TO REALLY ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE CITY PROBABLY WANTS.
WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU TAKE RIGHT AWAY.
AND SO THERE THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITIONAL IMPACTS THAT CAUSE OF TAKING ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY CREATE SOMETHING DESIRABLE.
BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO CHECK THE BOX FOR TECH STOCK AS WE GO INTO, UM, UH, ASKING THEM TO CHANGE, UH, THE DESIGN OF THE HIGHWAY FIVE PROJECT.
SO OUR, OUR NEXT STEPS, UM, ARE A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT TO YOU IN NOVEMBER.
UM, IT'S GOING TO BE CITY FUNDED, UH, THREE TO 400,000.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE COG AND THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE EARMARKED $2 MILLION FOR US.
THEY CAN'T GET THE MONEY TO US FAST ENOUGH THOUGH.
AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO ACTUALLY HELP US FUND ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE COG FUNDS ON IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPLEMENT US WITH $400,000 ON THAT PROJECT.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE MONEY FROM THAT THREE, THAT MONEY FROM THAT OTHER PROJECT AND BRING IT FORWARD TO FUND THIS PROJECT.
SO WE'LL BE PAYING FOR IT, BUT TEXTS ARE THE COGS MAKE US WHOLE ON IT.
SO THERE'VE BEEN A GREAT PARTNER, UM, ON, ON EVALUATING THIS.
SO WE'RE GONNA EVALUATE A FULL RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES.
UM, WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE CITY.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK TO YOU GUYS IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2022 TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT, UM, GET GUIDANCE FROM YOU ON ANYTHING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING, ANY INPUT YOU HAVE BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO THE PUBLIC, WE WOULD TAKE IT TO THE PUBLIC, BRING THOSE COMMENTS BACK TO YOU GUYS AT THAT TIME, AND THEN KIND OF GIVE US A PATH FORWARD.
WHAT DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE TECH STOCK? AND THEN WE WOULD GO TO TXDOT AND ASK THEM HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS? THE PHASE TWO FEASIBILITY STUDY.
THAT'S ALL GONNA BE DETERMINED ON THE ACTUAL ALTERNATIVE THAT COMES FORWARD FROM THIS COG AS EARMARK, THE $2 BILLION FOR US, 1.6 WOULD BE REMAINING TO FUND THAT PART OF THE STUDY.
AGAIN, GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM.
WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT WHAT THE TIMELINE WILL BE.
WE'RE ESTIMATED ABOUT A YEAR AND THEN AGAIN, CONSTRUCTION AND THE DESIGN PHASE ARE IMPACTED BY ALL THAT ALTERNATIVES.
SO WITH THAT, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A, AN IDEA OF HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, UM, AL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON WHAT W WHAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE AND HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
SORRY, I'LL START WITH SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN, UM, THE MEETINGS WITH, WITH MICHAEL AND I'VE HAD QUITE A FEW OUTSIDE OF WHAT STAFF HAS HAD, I THINK, UM, WHEN YOU, YOU MENTIONED 3000 FEET, IS THAT, UM, WHAT IT TAKES AT THE, AT THE 30 FOOT DEPTH? IT'S LESS THAN THAT WHEN IT'S, WHEN WE'RE AT A LESSER DEPTH THAN 30 FEET.
SO, YEAH, CAUSE I THINK WHEN WE TALK WITH THE ENGINEERS WITH, UM, WITH MICHAEL AND HIS TEAM AND WE LOOKED AT IT, I NOTICED NOTHING SCIENTIFIC YET, BUT WE TALKED IN TERMS OF, UM, 24 FEET.
WE TALKED IN TERMS OF SOME OPTIONS OF CRESTING AND, UH, AND THAT 3000 FEET MIGHT ACTUALLY END UP BEING MORE LIKE 2000 FEET.
AND THEN ALSO THE PIPE AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS.
AND, AND OF COURSE WE'LL BE, UM, IN THE, THE, THE PATH FROM I'LL CALL IT A TO B, UH, WOULD FALL ALONG ROADS THAT WERE GOING TO BE RECONSTRUCTING AS WELL AS WE, SO WE ARE GOING TO BE ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION AND DOING THOSE THINGS.
UM, THE, UH, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, BUT YOU, I THINK YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THERE'S A BIG FUNDING OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY THERE ON A FEDERAL LEVEL THAT, UM, WOULD, WOULD TAKE THIS AWAY FROM BEING A CITY FUNDED PROJECT, BUT MAYBE A WHOLLY FUNDED PROJECT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE POTENTIALLY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE POINTS.
FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, GOING INTO THIS PHASE ONE FEASIBILITY, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SHOWING ANY OF THAT TO TEXT DOT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SLOW ANYTHING THAT TEXTILES, UM, SLOW THEM DOWN IN ANY WAY RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF WE COME BACK AT THE END OF THAT AND SHOW THEM THE RESULTS OF IT, THEN YOU'RE SAYING AT THAT POINT, THEY MAY WANT TO REEVALUATE EVERYTHING THEY'VE LOOKED AT.
WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE THE IMPACT OF THE CORRIDOR, RIGHT.
IF WE'RE DOING A DECK PARK BETWEEN VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SAY A THOUSAND OR 1500 FEET NORTH AND SOUTH ARE IMPACTED BY SLOPING THAT DOWN TO THAT DEPTH, WHATEVER, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OKAY, FROM THIS POINT TO THIS POINT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO DESIGNS NORTH AND SOUTH, OR, OKAY, DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTING, YOU KNOW, BIDDING THOSE OUT AND LEAVING
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A HOLE THAT GETS FILLED IN LATER? YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE WITH THEM.ONCE WE KNOW MORE INFORMATION, WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTED TIMELINE ON THE OVERALL HIGHWAY FIVE, UM, PROJECT, AS IT STOOD AS IT SITS WITH TEXTILE TODAY.
SO AS IT SITS WITH TEXTILE TODAY, WE'RE HEARING, UM, WELL, WHAT'S HIS CYST TODAY? WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THEY WOULD GIVE ME A COMPLETED DESIGN BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR AND MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION IN 2024.
WE'RE HEARING SOME RUMBLINGS THIS WEEK THAT THEY MAY BE SLOWING DOWN THE PROJECT BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOUTH DOWN WITH THE ONE, THE SPUR 3 99 AREA IT'S BUILD THE ALTERNATE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND SO THEY MAY BE SLOWING THAT PROJECT DOWN AND NOT GO TO CONSTRUCTION UNTIL 20, 26 NOW.
UM, BUT WE'VE JUST HEARD SOME RUMORS ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO THE BEST INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY TEXTILE IS STILL 20, 24, BUT IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR THEM TO NOT BUILD AN INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS FROM 75 UP TO HARRY MCKILLOP AND THEN HAVE TO REMOVE SOME OF THAT TO BUILD THIS OTHER STUFF JUST A FEW YEARS LATER.
SO THAT'S ON THE HORIZON AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT GARY.
WE DID, WE DID GET A, UM, IT WAS A VERY HARD COMMITMENT, UM, FROM MR. MORRIS MCMORRIS THAT, UM, NUMBER ONE HEART COMMAND THAT HE WOULD ABSOLUTELY WOULD ADVOCATE THAT, THAT, THAT WE DON'T TAKE OFF ANY PORTION OF, UH, HIGHWAY FIVE THAT WE NEEDED TO, THAT HE WOULD BE AN ADVOCATE WITH TEXTILES TO NOT TAKE THOSE OFF.
AND HE, HE CONVEYED SOME PRETTY STRONG CONFIDENCE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.
I MEAN, THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS IS A MAJOR FUNDING PARTNER WITH TECH STOCK.
AND HAVING HIM IN HIS AFRICAN IN OUR CORNER IS A, IS A GREAT POSITION FOR US TO BE IN.
SO, UM, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF CONNECTIONS AND KIND OF NEEDED ACCESS ACROSS HIGHWAY FIVE OF, I THINK I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER PRETTY IMPORTANT PLACES AS WELL, WHERE WE SAID WE HAVE SEPARATED, UM, PEOPLE FROM COMMERCIAL RESOURCES, UM, AND, AND SLOWING THOSE ACCESS POINTS DOWN, UM, AS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF ANY WAY WE CAN AVOID DOING THAT, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO DO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UM, PLACES LIKE ELM AND HEROINE, WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT TRY TO CROSS HIGHWAY FIVE, UH, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HIT BEFORE IN THOSE AREAS AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEEDED TO GET ACROSS THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE, UM, TAKING IT OFF SYSTEM AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, IF YOU TOOK IT OFF SYSTEM TO DO THIS PROJECT AND YOU RELIED ON THE, UH, FEDERAL POTENTIAL FEDERAL FUNDING TO DO THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT PORTION OF THE PROJECT, DOES THAT LEAVE US TO PAY FOR THE REST OF IT? HOW DOES THE OFF SYSTEM WORK IN TERMS OF, YEAH, SO TAKING OFF SYSTEM, WE WOULD NOT TAKE IT OFF SYSTEM UNTIL THE ROADWAY WAS COMPLETED.
SO IT TEXTS THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE HANDING OVER A NEW ROADWAY FOR US AND NOT HANDING US A HUGE LIABILITY.
UM, AND SO, UM, TEXTILE IS STILL ENGAGED.
THE FEDERAL PROCESS IS STILL FOLLOWED, COMPLETELY FEDERAL FUNDS ARE STILL USED ON THE PROJECT.
AND THEN ONCE WE ARE DONE AND EVERYBODY ACCEPTS THE PROJECT, THEN WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE OFFICIAL CHANNELS OF REQUESTING THAT TO BE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY'S JURISDICTION.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A VERY DETAILED PROCESS, TECHSTOP FOLLOWS THROUGH THAT, BUT WE WOULDN'T DO THAT UNTIL AFTER THE FUNDING OF THE PROJECT IS CONCERNED.
AND THEN IT'S JUST ON US FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
AND WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AT THAT POINT.
SO IF WE WANT TO ADD A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT A GIVEN LOCATION, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO TXDOT AND HAVE THEM APPROVE IT.
ONCE WE MAKE THE DETERMINATION, IT MEETS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANTS.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN.
UM, IF WE NEEDED TO ADD A SCHOOL CROSSING, UH, REDUCED SCHOOL SPEED LIMIT BACK AT HOME, BECAUSE IN MY SD CHANGES THEIR BOUNDARY, WHO DOES SOMETHING, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITHOUT CONSULTING WITH TXDOT, A NEW BUSINESS COMES IN AND WANTS A DRIVEWAY.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH TXDOT.
UM, WE DON'T THAT DRIVEWAY THAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD AND RIGHT TURN LANE DON'T HAVE TO BE BUILT TO TXDOT STANDARDS AND NOT BUILT THE CITY STANDARDS, WHICH AREN'T QUITE AS DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVING THE ROADWAY OFF SYSTEM.
NOW, WE ALSO, BECAUSE WE'RE A TICKET OFF SYSTEM, WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL HELP US INFLUENCE THE DESIGN TO GET AT A DESIGN THAT MORE DESIRABLE FOR US AS, SO IT DOES GIVE US CONTROL IN THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE YOU TAKE IT OFF SYSTEM.
I WON'T SAY COMPLETE CONTROL, BUT IT GIVES US MORE MORE SAY, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
[01:10:01]
YOU, GARY.WELL, BEFORE GARY SIT DOWN, I WAS WAITING.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAID QUESTIONS, SORRY, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO HAVE A STATEMENT AND IT KIND OF GOES TO, UH, TO COUNCIL VELOURS THOUGHT PROCESS OF THE ACCESSIBILITY.
SO WHEN THE CLYDE WARREN WAS BORN WAS BUILT IN DALLAS, IT WAS A HUGE, IT STARTED OUT AS A HUGE FIGHT FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT, IT STARTED OUT, IT TURNED INTO BEING SOMETHING UNBELIEVABLY SPECIAL.
UM, THE TRAFFIC DIDN'T CHANGE.
THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT WOULD HAPPEN.
SECOND THING THEY SAID, OH, CARS WILL FLOOD.
THEY'LL NEVER GET OUT OF THERE.
IT'S USED CONSTANTLY EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT YOU DRIVE BY AND IT'S USED BY EVERY GENDER YOU CAN, EVERY PERSON YOU WALK A LIFE IS THEY'RE ENJOYING THAT ATMOSPHERE.
THE, THE ACCESSIBILITY TO THE DOWNTOWN, TO THE UPTOWN CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, THE ACCESSIBILITY TO GET TO DOWNTOWN TO UPTOWN DID NOT CHANGE.
YOU JUST MOVED OVER A FEW, FEW ROADS DOWN.
UM, UH, SEEING THE SCHOOL CHILDREN THERE FOR THE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS AND STUFF, USING THE PARK AS AN ABILITY TO CONNECT.
THE TWO PARTS OF TOWN HAS BEEN SOMETHING EXTREMELY SPECIAL AND WATCHING THE PARTNERSHIP OF THE CITY, PUT THE MONEY IN, AND ALSO FOR THE FUNDRAISING THAT CAME ALONG FROM THE PRIVATE END WAS IT HAPPENED ALMOST OVERNIGHT FOR FOLKS TO PUT THE MONEY IN.
SO JUST TO SHOW THE HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENED IN A TRANSFORMATION THERE, THAT THE AREA NORTH OF THAT WAS THE HIGHEST CRIME AREA IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT IS NOT ONE OF THE LOWEST, IT COMPLETELY UNIFIED TWO PARTS OF THE CITY.
IT'S AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
AND YOU DON'T THINK OF UPTOWN OR DOWNTOWN ANYMORE.
YOU JUST THINK OF CLYDE WARREN.
SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE CITY HISTORY WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY ARTICLES OUT THERE ABOUT HOW, WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A DISASTER AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE SOMETHING JUST ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.
AND I THINK OTHER PROJECTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE SEEN THAT THE UNIFICATION OF THAT HAPPENING WITH A PARK SYSTEM, WHEN, UH, WHEN PEOPLE SAY WE HAVE TOO MANY PARKS, I SAY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS ON WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND HOW LONG THAT TOOK, BECAUSE THAT WAS A DREAM.
AND WHEN IT FINALLY HAPPENED, IT WAS, IT BECAME AN UNBELIEVABLY.
SO ANYWAY, THOROUGHLY, APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN, UM, GARY, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS, UH, I BELIEVE THAT I CERTAINLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
I THINK I SPEAK FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE UP HERE TO DO WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO.
IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MORE RIGHT OF WAY THAN, THAN WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
AND OF COURSE TODAY, WHAT THAT MEANS IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN, UH, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW IN PROJECTS THAT THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO I I'D WANT TO BE FAST-TRACKING, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR US, UH, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING WHAT PATH BEST WE CAN THAT WE ANTICIPATE GOING AND NOT LETTING THAT INFLUENCE, UM, SOME OF OUR UPCOMING DECISIONS ON PROJECTS THAT ARE RIGHT ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE TO DO THIS RIGHT, AND BE ABLE TO GIVE THE ACCESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED.
UM, THAT'S IMPORTANT AGAIN TODAY, AND YOU JUST HAD SOME PICTURES UP THERE.
I DON'T WANT TO DISRESPECT ANYBODY'S PROPERTY OR WHATNOT, BUT WHAT'S WHAT IS THERE TODAY AS A IS IT'S MUCH MORE CONSUMABLE THAN, THAN WHAT WOULD BE THERE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND THE MONETARY STANDPOINT TO THE CITY.
SO ANYTHING ELSE, THANK YOU, GARY.
[COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATES Regarding various City Boards & Commissions]
COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATES ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS STORAGE PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD IS LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.UH, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE ON OUR NEXT WORK SESSION AS FAR AS GETTING PEOPLE ABOUT REPAIRS THAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT MAKE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THAT IS PART OF THEIR MISSION STATEMENT.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE GIVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE IN THAT REGARD.
UH, THEY HELPED ME MOVE UP, I THINK, REMEMBER THIS EVENING, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
PRETEND NOTHING BEEN PILLAR, NOTHING.
UH, I'LL GO INTO THE PAR SYSTEM CAUSE I WAS JUST AT THAT MEETING.
UM, AND I KNOW MIKE'S BACK THERE AND I'VE GOT A GREAT PICTURE OF HIM POINTING AT ALL THE AWARDS THAT WE JUST WON AGAIN.
SO WE JUST PICKED UP, UH, WAS IT FOUR MORE, THREE MORE? MY FIVE, SORRY.
SO, SORRY, THE PICTURE I TOOK OF YOU IN YOUR MODELING HERE FOR THESE PICK FOR FIVE AWARDS, FIVE MORE AWARDS FOR OUR PARK SYSTEMS. AND WE DID, WE'RE ABOUT TO DO ANOTHER ROLLOUT AND WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE HAPPEN, OR THE TRANSFORMATION FROM WHAT HIS TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING ON
[01:15:01]
IS PHENOMENAL.UH, WE'RE GOING TO BLOW EVERYONE AWAY IN THE ROUND, THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND MAYBE TEXAS, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU HAVE THE BET THE BEST IS YET TO COME WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THAT, IN THAT SHOP OVER THERE.
AND MIKE'S LEADING THE WAY AND THANK YOU, MICHAEL.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
WILL MOVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION IMPORTANCE, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5, 5 1 0 7 1 PENNY THERE CONTEMPLATE CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION AND FILL A I'LL VERSUS CITY MCKINNEY.CIVIL ACTION FILE NUMBER 4, 2 1 CV 0 0 6 5 5 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS SESSION 5 5, 1 0 7 TO DELIBERATIONS ABOUT REAL PROPERTY MUNICIPAL FACILITIES IN SECTION 5, 5, 1 0 8, 7 DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MATTERS, PROJECT ORANGE, UH, WE'RE BACK IN SESSION FOR OUR, UM, WORK, UH, CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SHUT THIS MEETING DOWN.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, WHICH ARE A MOTION BY MR. PHILLIPS.
SECOND BY JURY SAID OUR COUNCIL WOMAN GERAIS DELTAS AND WE WILL, UH, ALL IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED WE'RE DONE.