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COUNCIL WORK SESSION TODAY IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 26TH 2021. THEY WERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO 22 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET IN THE GREAT CITY OF MCKINNEY. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS[Presentation on 2020 U.S. Census Data and Redistricting City Council Boundaries]
PUBLIC COMMENTS. I DO NOT SHOW ANYONE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. WE'LL MOVE TO WORK SESSION ITEMS. 21 0942 PRESENTATION ON THE 2020 U. S CENSUS DATA AND REDISTRICTING OF CITY COUNCIL BOUNDARIES. MR MAYOR COUNCIL. UH PLEASED TO BE HERE TODAY I HAVE GUNNER SEQUENCE. WITH US.HE IS OUR SPECIAL. REDISTRICTING COUNCIL FOR THIS YEAR'S CENSUS. UH BIGGER STAFF FIRM HAS DONE OUR REDISTRICTING FOR TWO SUBSEQUENT CYCLES, SO THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH MCKINNEY.
ALTHOUGH MCKINNEY'S A LOT BIGGER THAN IT WAS IN 19 OR IN 2000, BUT I'M SURE THAT, UH BETTER WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE SLIDES AND SHOW YOU THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND THE WAY THAT THE PROCESS IS. UNDERTAKEN AND WILL ALSO LET YOU KNOW KIND OF THE SCHEDULE AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON HOW YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS REGARDING REDISTRICTING. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO VERY MUCH MONEY. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AGAIN. I AM GOING TO SEAQUEST HERE WITH THE FIRM OF BICKERSTAFF. HE GOT ON A COSTA AND IT IS OUR PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO HELP YOU OUT WITH YOUR REDISTRICTING THIS YEAR. I HAVE AN INITIAL ASSESSMENT GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION TODAY ABOUT THE PROCESS OF REDISTRICTING, SOME OF THE LEGAL STANDARDS THAT APPLY AND CRITERIA THAT WE WILL LOOK AT. I WILL ALSO KIND OF BREAK DOWN SOME OF THE NUMBERS FROM THE CENSUS DATA THAT WE HAVE ANALYZED FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, BASED ON THE 2020 CENSUS. THAT'S COME OUT. AND THEN, AS MARK MENTIONED, WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME SCHEDULING AND WHAT THE PROCESS WILL LOOK LIKE AS WE GO ALONG. UM FIRST WE ARE DOING THE REDISTRICTING AT THE END OF THE 2020 CENSUS. OF COURSE, UM. GOVERNMENTS WITH SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS LIKE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, UH, DO THEIR REDISTRICTING ANALYSIS AT THE END OF THE 2020 CENSUS, THE PRIMARY THING THAT WE LOOK AT AND WHY WE'RE HERE DOING THIS AFTER THE CENSUS IS TO MAKE SURE. THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS END UP IN BALANCE UNDER THE ONE PERSON ONE VOTE STANDARD THAT COMES FROM THE EQUAL PROTECTION AMENDMENT TO THE U. S CONSTITUTION. AND WHAT IT TELLS US IS AND WE LOOK AT THE DETAILS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN JUST A SECOND, BUT BASICALLY IT SAYS THAT EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT SHOULD BE ROUGHLY PROPORTIONATE IN TERMS OF TOTAL POPULATION. AND THE REASON FOR THAT, OF COURSE, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A COUNCIL DISTRICTS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER, POPULATED OR UNDERPOPULATED. THAT COULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF UNDERVALUING OR OVERVALUING THE VOTES OF THE VOTERS IN THOSE DISTRICTS, SO WE TRY TO MAKE SURE FOR EQUALITY PURPOSES THAT THEY ARE ROUGHLY PROPORTIONATE IN SIZE. THE OTHER THING THAT GOVERNS THIS PROCESS IS THE FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT. AND IN PARTICULAR SECTION TWO AND SECTION TWO IS A NONDISCRIMINATION STANDARD. IT TELLS US THAT ANY CHANGES TO THE DISTRICTS THAT THEY CITY ULTIMATELY MAKES CANNOT HAVE THE EFFECT OF DISCRIMINATING AGAINST A PROTECTED ETHNIC OR.
LANGUAGE MINORITY GROUP. UM THE OTHER, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER STANDARDS KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE SHOP VERSUS RENO LINE OF AUTHORITY OUT OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.
AND WHAT THAT TELLS US IS, IS THAT IT LIMITS THE WAY WE CAN USE RACE AND REDISTRICTING. AND SO WE CONSIDER RACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE COMPLIED WITH FEDERAL LAW. BUT WHAT THE SHOP VERSUS RENO LINE OF CASES TELLS US IS THAT RACE IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO USE OR PREDOMINANT FACTOR. IN REDISTRICTING TO THE PROCESS IS RACE NEUTRAL OTHER THAN TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL LAW. AND NO DISCRIMINATION. THE OTHER THING THAT WE USE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS BEFORE YOU USED TO HEAR ABOUT SECTION FIVE IF WE WERE DOING THIS PROCESS AT THE LAST CENSUS. WE WOULD DO ALL OF OUR WORK AND OUR FIRM WOULD PUT THAT INTO A SUBMISSION, WHICH WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE SENT TO WASHINGTON, D. C FOR APPROVAL BEFORE IT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED, AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS KNOWN AS THE PRECLEARANCE PROCESS. UNDER SECTION FIVE, AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT SHALL BE COUNTER VERSUS HOLDER. UH SHELBY COUNTY VERSUS HOLDER EXCUSE ME IN 2013. AND WHAT THAT CASE SAID, IS THAT. THE SECTION FIVE PRECLEARANCE PROCESS IS NO LONGER MANDATORY. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PRECLEARANCE PROCESS. HOWEVER WE STILL USE SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WHICH DEALT WITH. A PROHIBITION ON RETROGRESSION, MAKING SURE THAT ANY NEW PLANS DID NOT RESULT IN MY PROTECTED MINORITY OR LANGUAGE STATUS. VOTERS. BEING WORSE OFF. SO WHILE THAT'S NOT A MANDATORY STANDARD ANYMORE, WE STILL USE IT AS A DIAGNOSTIC TOOL, AND IN PARTICULAR, IT CAN BE INDICATIVE, UH, EITHER
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COMPLIANCE OR VIOLATION OF SECTION TWO. SO WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE DEPTH STANDARD, AND THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST THING THAT WE LOOK AT AND WHAT BRINGS US TO THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS AGAIN. THE CONSTITUTION TELLS US THAT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS HAVE TO HAVE APPROXIMATELY EQUAL POPULATION. WHY APPROXIMATELY BECAUSE THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE DISTRIBUTED GEOGRAPHIC. GEOGRAPHICALLY MAKES IT VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE AN EXACTLY EQUAL NUMBER OF DISTRICTS BETWEEN THEM IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. SO WHAT THE COURT HAS TOLD US IS THAT IN TERMS OF ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY, IT IS ACCEPTABLE AS LONG AS THE TOTAL. MAXIMUM DEVIATION IS LESS THAN 10% WHAT IS THE TOTAL MAXIMUM DEVIATION IF YOU TAKE THE TOTAL POPULATION OF THE CITY AS IT'S SHOWN IN THE 2020 CENSUS.DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS THAT GIVES YOU THE IDEAL SIZE, SO IF YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT EVERYBODY EQUALLY IN ONE DISTRICT OR ANOTHER, THAT'S YOUR IDEAL SIZE WHEN WE START TO CALCULATE THE. TOTAL MAXIMUM DEVIATION. THAT IS ALLOWABLE. WE COMPARE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MOST POPULOUS DISTRICT UNDER THE 2020 CENSUS FROM THE IDEAL THE ONE THAT IS MOST ABOVE THE DISTANCE FROM THE IDEAL TO THE MOST POPULOUS AND THEN THE DISTANCE FROM THE IDEAL TO THE LEAST POPULOUS. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE IS YOUR TOTAL MAXIMUM DEVIATION. AND SO WHAT WE MAKE SURE IS, IS THAT FROM THE MOST POPULOUS TO THE LEAST POPULIST YOU DON'T HAVE MORE THAN 10% DEVIATION. AND NOT TO BE REDUNDANT. BUT HERE IS JUST KIND OF A SIMPLE UH UH, EXPLANATION HERE IN OUR SAMPLE CITY. WE HAVE FOUR DISTRICTS IF THE MOST POPULOUS IS 10% OVER THE IDEAL. THE LEAST POPULOUS IS 20% UNDER THAT GIVES US A TOTAL MAXIMUM DEVIATION OF 30% AND THAT WOULD BE A CITY THAT WOULD HAVE TO REDISTRICT IN ORDER TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ONE PERSON ONE VOTE STAND. HERE IS SORT OF THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF WHAT WE ARE USING, AND. THE TIMING OF THIS YEAR OBVIOUSLY IS VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF COVID. UM AND SOME CHANGES IN THE ADMINISTRATION OVER THE LAST ELECTION. THE CENSUS DATA HAS ALSO OBVIOUSLY BEEN QUITE DELAYED. TYPICALLY, WE WOULD BE GETTING OUR CENSUS DATA FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY AND OTHERS. BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND APRIL OF THIS YEAR. AND SO HERE IT CAME OUT IN SEPTEMBER. SO WE ARE OBVIOUSLY STARTING THIS PROCESS MUCH LATER THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD. UM BUT THE DATA THAT JUST CAME OUT AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR IS WHAT'S CALLED THE P L 94 1 71 FILE. IT GIVES US POPULAR POPULATION INFORMATION DOWN TO THE CENSUS BLOCK LEVEL. AND IT CONTAINS ESSENTIALLY FOUR CATEGORIES OF INFORMATION THAT WE USE. IT GIVES US THE TOTAL OVERALL POPULATION. IT GIVES US THE VOTING AGE POPULATION OR ANYONE OR POPULATION OVER 18 YEARS OF AGE. IT GIVES US A RACE BREAKDOWN, AND IT GIVES US IDENTIFICATION OF HISPANIC ORIGIN. AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE THAT THE CENSUS DATA DOES NOT CONTAIN A CITIZENSHIP QUESTION AND DOESN'T HAVE CITIZENSHIP, DAD. SO WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM WHAT ARE THE USES OF THESE DIFFERENT INFORMATIONS? SO WHEN WE ARE DOING THE ONE PERSON ONE VOTE BALANCING ANALYSIS, WE LOOK ONLY AT TOTAL POPULATION WE DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. UH VOTING AGE OR ANY OF THE OTHER FACTORS. IT'S JUST THE TOTAL POPULATION WHEN WE ARE ANALYZING VOTING RIGHTS ISSUES, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT EITHER SECTION TWO UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. UM WE LOOK AT VOTING AGE POPULATION AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IN TERMS OF BALANCE. THE SUPREME COURT HAS TOLD US WE USE EVERYONE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ELECTORAL OPPORTUNITY UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, YOU ONLY LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO CAN VOTE. SO YOU LOOK AT VOTING AGE. SECTION TWO AS I MENTIONED, UH, IS THE PRIMARY LEGAL STANDARD UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT THAT'S GOING TO APPLY TO THIS PROCESS. AS I SAID, IT'S A NONDISCRIMINATION PROVISION APPLIES ON THE BASIS OF RACE OR LANGUAGE MINORITY STATUS. UM. BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS, IS THAT ANY PLAN THAT THE CITY ULTIMATELY ADOPTS CANNOT HAVE EITHER THE INTENT OR THE EFFECT OF DISCRIMINATING AGAINST PROTECTED VOTERS. WHAT YOU WILL OFTEN HEAR THAT REFERRED TO OR ANALYZED AS AS THESE CONCEPTS OF CRACKING OR PACKING SECTION TWO REQUIRES YOU TO AVOID CRACKING OR PACKING PROTECTED MINORITY POPULATIONS. AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL UM, CRACKING OR FRACTURING IS DIVIDING A GROUP OF MINORITY VOTERS TO FRAGMENT THEIR VOTING POWER IN A SINGLE DISTRICT. SO IF YOU HAVE A DISTRICT THAT HAS A SUBSTANTIAL. POPULATION OF MINORITY VOTERS CRACKING THAT POPULATION TO DILUTE THEIR ABILITY TO ELECT CANDIDATES OF THEIR CHOICE IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS PRACTICE. CONVERSELY IF YOU PACK A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF MINORITY VOTERS INTO A SINGLE DISTRICT DISTRICT IN ORDER TO, UM. DILUTE OR LIMIT THEIR VOTING POWER IN THE REMAINING DISTRICTS. THAT'S ALSO POTENTIALLY PROBLEM UNDER
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SECTION TWO, AND THAT IS WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS PRACTICE PACKING. THERE ARE OTHER PRACTICES THAT CAN COME INTO PLAY, BUT CRACKING AND PACKING ARE TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING ABOUT. AND ALSO SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PAYING ATTENTION TO ON THE LEGAL SIDE.AS I MENTIONED SORT OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT STREET. IS THE SHOP VERSUS RENO LINE OF CASES AND AGAIN THAT JUST TELLS US THAT RACE BASED DECISION MAKING, UH, IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE FOR THE PREDOMINANT FACTOR, UH, IN REDISTRICTING PROCESSES, AND BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS CERTAINLY WE CONSIDER RAISED FOR THE NARROW PURPOSE OF MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING A DISCRIMINATORY EFFECT, BUT WE DON'T REDISTRICT ON THAT BASIS. AND SO THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY A MAP FROM SHAW VERSUS RENO. AND THIS IS, UM, ONE OF THE. THE PURPOSE. I THINK IF THIS SHOWS US KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, IN TERMS OF DISTRICT THIS IS A MAP OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT WAS FOUND TO CONSTITUTE A RACIAL GERRYMANDER, UM, AND AN IMPROPER USE OF RACE IN CONDITIONING AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT YELLOW DISTRICT THERE.
BASICALLY YOU HAVE A VERY BIZARRELY SHAPED DISTRICT THAT STRINGS OUT. IT'S NOT COMPACT.
IT'S NOT CONTINUOUS, AND WHAT THE COURT SAID, IS REALLY THERE'S NO OTHER JUSTIFICATION FOR DRAWING THIS MAP OTHER THAN TO TRY TO AFFECT THE RACIAL BALANCE IS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND THE COURT FOUND THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. AND SO AS YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU SEE THE MAPS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO YOU AND THE MAPS THAT YOU'LL BE DRAWING IN THE CITY COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL NOTICE IS THE DISTRICT YOU'LL BE DRAWING WILL LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE THE CURRENT DISTRICTS THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH ARE COMPACT AND CONTINUOUS. DON'T HAVE THESE STRINGY, BIZARRELY SHAPED DISTRICTS. KIND OF A SIMILAR EXAMPLE OUT OF THE HOUSTON AREA, THE HARRIS COUNTY AREA AGAIN AT THE TOP, YOU HAVE DISTRICTS THAT ARE VERY IRREGULARLY SHAPED. UM WHICH THE COURT FOUND IT BEING AN APPROACH INAPPROPRIATE GERRYMANDER AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM IS WHERE YOU HAVE THEM FIXED AND TO BE COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS. AGAIN JUST BECAUSE WHEN WE SAY COMPACT AND CONTINUOUS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY LINE IS GOING TO BE SQUARED OFF INTO A PERFECT GEOMETRIC SHAPE. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME IRREGULARITY JUST BASED AGAIN ON POPULATION DISTRIBUTION, BUT WE TRY TO GET THEM AS COMPACT AND CONTINUOUS AS WE CAN. SECTION FIVE AGAIN. IT'S NOT A MANDATORY STANDARD ANY LONGER, AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE PRE CLEARANCE, BUT IT'S STILL A USEFUL DIAGNOSTIC TOOL AND SOMETHING WE LOOK AT. OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED THE SECTION FIVE STANDARD IS RETROGRESSION. AND WHAT YOU TYPICALLY LOOK AT IS IF YOU HAVE THEM A MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICTS. UM DEPENDING ON THE POPULATION. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T RETRO GRASS AND TAKE THAT AWAY. SO WHAT ARE THE CRITERIAS THE CRITERIA THAT WE USE FOR REDISTRICTING AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WILL ACTUALLY BE PRESENTING A RESOLUTION FOR ADOPTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ADOPTS THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA. THESE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT THE COURTS HAVE TOLD US ARE APPROPRIATE. UM FOR USE IN REDISTRICTING, AND SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH, WE USE IDENTIFIABLE BOUNDARIES. THAT MEANS WHEN WE DRAW LINES, WE MAKE SURE THEY FOLLOW A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, GEOGRAPHIC LANDMARKS, CREEKS, RIVERS, SOMETHING THAT'S IDENTIFIABLE, AND THAT MAKES FOR A GOOD. UM CONTINUOUS BOUNDARY AS OPPOSED TO CREATING A BUNCH OF JACKET.
IT IS BY USING NON IDENTIFIABLE BOUNDARIES. MAINTAINING COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST IN NEIGHBORHOODS. UM THIS CAN BE AS WE DISCUSSED. THOSE GROUPS HAVE PROTECTED MINORITY VOTERS.
SPORT ALSO JUST CAN BE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE CITY WHO HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN WITHIN ONE DISTRICT. THEY SHARED GENERAL INTERESTS. THEY TEND TO VOTE TOGETHER. THEY'RE USED TO HAVING THAT, UM TO BEING IN THE SAME DISTRICT IN VOTING TOGETHER, SO WE WILL TRY TO KEEP THOSE TOGETHER. AND THIS IS OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT. WE DEPEND ON THE COUNCIL TO TELL US YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THE COMMUNITIES ARE THAT NEED TO BE PRESERVED THROUGHOUT THE MAP AND AS WE GO THROUGH AND WHERE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE COHESIVE TOGETHER AND WHERE THEY MIGHT OF LINE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATELY DRAWN. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING YOU'LL WANT TO KEEP IN YOUR MIND IN TERMS OF PRESERVING THOSE COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST AND WELL ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS HERE IN THE CITY.
WE USE WHOLE VOTING PRECINCTS WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE MOVING LINES. WE TRY NOT TO SPLIT THE VOTING PRECINCT. IT MAKES ELECTIONS MORE DIFFICULT TO INCREASE, CREATE SOME CONFUSION THAT SAID, OBVIOUSLY, THE COUNTY DRAWS THE VOTING PRECINCTS AND WHERE THEY ARE, DEPENDING ON THE POPULATION THERE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO NOT SPLIT ONE, BUT WE AS A AS A PRACTICE WE WHEREVER WE CAN. WE ALLOCATE WHOLE VOTING PRECINCTS TO ONE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT OF THE OTHER SO THAT WE'RE NOT SPLITTING THOSE. UH WE BASED THE PLAN, UM, FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION ON THE EXISTING DISTRICTS, SO WHEN WE COME IN HERE AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PREPARE TO SORT OF AN INITIAL PLAN THAT STARTS OFF FROM THE COUNCIL DISTRICT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE RIGHT NOW. BUT WITH THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF TWEETS TO GET YOU INTO BALANCE, AND THAT SORT OF JUST LIKE THE STARTING CANVAS, AND FROM THAT POINT, WE HAVE A DRAWING SESSION WHERE YOU ALL EACH GET TO GIVE YOUR INDIVIDUAL INPUT. AND THEN WE SUBMIT THAT EVEN FOR FURTHER PUBLIC INPUT, AND SO, UM, WE'RE THE CONSULTANT HERE. WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU. WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER PLAN COMES OUT OF THIS PROCESS, UH, MEETS THE APPLICABLE LEGAL STANDARDS. BUT YOU GUYS ARE THE ARTISTS. SO
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YOU WILL BE DRAWING THE PLANS AND MAKING ALL OF THE DECISIONS AS TO WHERE THOSE LINES GO. UM AND WE'LL BE WELL BASED ON THE EXISTING. WOW AGAIN DISTRICTS OF RELATIVELY EQUAL SIZE SO EVEN WITHIN THAT, 10% WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO GET YOU PRETTY CLOSE TO RELATIVELY EQUAL SIZE. DISTRICTS THAT ARE COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS, UH, KEEPING IN EXISTING INCUMBENTS IN THEIR DISTRICTS. WE DON'T DRAW EXISTING INCUMBENTS OUT OF THEIR DISTRICTS. UM THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THAT, AND NOT EVERY SOME CITIES DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER THAT. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER. BUT BUT AS A GENERAL PRINCIPLE, UM YOU KNOW, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE BUILT THAT TRUST WITH THEIR CONSTITUENTS. THOSE CONSTITUENTS ARE USED TO AND HAVE A FAMILIARITY WITH BEING ABLE TO VOTE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR ELECTED OFFICIALS, SO WE TRY TO PRESERVE THAT RELATIONSHIP. AND NOT BREAK IT APART AS PART OF REDISTRICTING, AND MATT DRAWN. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE NARROWLY TAILOR ANY COMPLAINT ANY PLAN TO COMPLY WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. THIS PROCESS IS A VERY TRANSPARENT PROCESS. THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT.EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AS FAR AS THIS MAP IS CONCERNED IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
ANY CHANGES ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RECORD OF EXACTLY HOW THE SEAT WHERE THE CITY STARTED AND HOW IT GOT TO THE PLAN. THE REASON FOR THAT IS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CHECK OUR WORK DOWN THE ROAD. THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. WE WELCOME WE WELCOME NOW. AND SO THAT'S WHY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE AWARE OF ALL THE LEGAL OBLIGATIONS OR RESPONSIBILITIES. WE ADOPT THOSE CRITERIA THAT REFLECT THE TRADITIONAL REDISTRICTING PRINCIPLES. AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE ACTUALLY FOLLOW THEM. AND THIS IS SORT OF THE STEP BY STEP PROCESS AND IT CAN BE EXPANDED.
AS NECESSARY. BUT WE START WITH THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS WHY I'M HERE GIVING YOU TODAY AND I'LL GET TO THE ACTUAL CENSUS DATA HERE IN A MOMENT. WILL GIVE YOU THOSE PLANNED CRITERIA FOR ADOPTION IN A RESOLUTION. ALSO PRESENTS YOU WITH A SET OF GUIDELINES TO BE ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION, AND WHAT THOSE GUIDELINES ARE ARE ESSENTIALLY RULES FOR, UM PUBLIC PARTICIPATION NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF GIVING COMMENTARY AT PUBLIC MEETINGS BUT ALSO.
SOMETIMES WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANT TO SUBMIT THEIR OWN PLAN AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR CONSIDERATION. AND WE WILL TAKE THAT. ANALYZE IT AND GIVE YOU A REPORT ON THAT THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE ADOPTED ARE REALLY FOR TWO PRIMARY REASONS. ONE IS TO SET A TIMEFRAME FOR HAVING THOSE PLANS BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THEM SUFFICIENTLY IN ADVANCE OF THE TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ADOPTING. OR THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE ADOPTING A PLAN SO THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SCURRY AT THE LAST MINUTE TO ANALYZE AND DIGEST PLANS. BUT THE OTHER THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY PUBLIC PLANS THAT ARE SUBMITTED MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON TO THOSE PLANS. BASED ON WHAT THE WHAT THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO DRAW A LOT OF THE TIMES WHAT YOU'LL GET. AS YOU'LL HAVE A CITIZEN WHO IS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THEIR OWN DISTRICT, AND THEY'LL DRAW SOME LINES WHERE THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THEIR DISTRICT, BUT THEY WON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THAT DOES TO THE OTHER DISTRICTS. AND SO ONE OF THE GUIDELINES YOU'LL SEE JUST BY WAY, OF EXAMPLE, AS WE ASK THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SUBMIT A PLAN TO REDISTRICT THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW THAT SHOW THE WHOLE CITY. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE CHANGES TO ANYONE DISTRICT TO SEE HOW THEY AFFECT OTHERS. AND IF YOU JUST GIVE US CHANGES IN ONE, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHOW US HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE OTHERS. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE TYPES OF GUIDELINES THAT WE DO AND IT'S. IT REALLY MAKES THE PROCESS EASIER, AND IT CERTAINLY MAKES YOUR COMPARISON MUCH EASIER. AS I MENTIONED WHAT WE WILL DO. UM, COMING UP IN A MEETING IS WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP AN ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN, AND THAT'S JUST A JUMPING OFF POINT FOR THE COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, PUBLIC INPUT. IT WILL BE A SIMPLE PLAN IT WILL START FROM THE EXISTING DISTRICTS. IT'LL FIX ANY OUT OF BALANCE ISSUES. AND THEN FROM THERE, THE CHANGES WILL BE YOURS TO MAKE. WE DO I AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE WILL DO IS AT THE TIME WE GIVE YOU THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN. I'LL HAVE A G I S DRAWER AVAILABLE. AND WE'LL TAKE ANY CHANGES RIGHT THEN, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY THROUGH OUR SOFTWARE. WILL BE ABLE TO PROJECT UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE A MAP AND MANIPULATE AND CHANGE LINES AND DO ALL OF THAT IN REAL TIME, AND SO IF IT'S KIND OF COOL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE A BIG MAP, IT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE CHANGES ARE, BUT WE CAN ZOOM INTO A GREAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE THE LINES ARE CURRENTLY MAKE ANY CHANGES AND THEN GET COMMENT, AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE PRESENT THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN WILL TYPICALLY HAVE A DRAWING SESSION WHERE THE COUNCIL CAN DO THAT. AND THEN THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT POINT. WILL THEN TAKE BACK ANY CHANGES THAT THE COUNCIL'S MADE MAKE THOSE FOR THE NEXT MEETING WHERE WILL ACTUALLY HOLD A FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING AND IN BETWEEN WILL HELP THE COUNCIL GET ANY PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER DURING THAT FIRST DRAWING SESSION. UP ON THE WEBSITE. WE
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CAN HELP YOU PUBLISH THEM. THE PAPER PUT THEM UP ON THE FRONT. UH BOARD WHEREVER THE COUNCIL FEELS, UH, IS MOST EFFECTIVE IN TERMS OF GETTING THE WORD OUT. AND THEN PEOPLE CAN COME BACK TO THE SECOND MEETING AND WHAT WE TYPICALLY WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, THERE WILL BE AGAIN OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE CHANGES, IF ANY, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE. WE'LL GET THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PLANS WILL TAKE THOSE IN AT THAT TIME, TOO. WE GO BACK TO OUR OFFICE DOING ANALYSIS OF ALL THE COMMENTS, ANALYZE ANY OTHER PLANS GET YOU A FINAL REPORT. AND THEN WE TYPICALLY COME BACK FOR A FINAL ADOPTION MEETING, SO THIS PROCESS CAN BE EFFECTIVELY DONE. YOU KNOW, IN FOUR MEETINGS, INCLUDING THIS ONE THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S NOT THE LIMIT. UM SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN EXTRA MEETING FOR PUBLIC INPUT IF WE WANTED TO DO MEETINGS OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, EITHER IN THE DISTRICTS OR ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, ONE OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN. WE'RE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THAT AND WE CAN DO THAT, AS IS YOUR PREFERENCE. UM. TYPICALLY IF YOU HAVE A IF YOU HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS RUNNING IN THE NEW DISTRICTS IN MAY WE HAD WE TRY TO FINISH THIS PROCESS BY THE BEGINNING OF THE CANDIDATE FILING PERIOD FOR THE ELECTION, WHICH IS JANUARY. UH 19 BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FOR MCKINNEY IS THAT YOU HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN MAY, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LARGE AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY RUNNING IN THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS FOR THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE. THAT REALLY BUYS YOU SOME MORE TIME. IT KIND OF ALLOWS YOU TO STRETCH THIS PROCESS OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO BE DONE BY THAT JANUARY DEADLINE. WE CAN MOVE INTO THE SPRING IF WE NEED TO. SO I'M HAPPY TO MOVE AS QUICKLY OR TO EXPAND AS AS MUCH AS THE COUNCIL FEELS IS APPROPRIATE. WHEN WE DO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE A FINAL PLAN THAT'S ADOPTED WILL TAKE THAT PLAN OVER TO THE COUNTY.MAKE SURE IT'S ENTERED INTO THEIR SYSTEMS AND MAKE SURE FACILITATES AN EASY ELECTION FOR THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE DOES RUN. IN THE REDRAWN DISTRICTS. SO I'VE LEFT. I'VE LEFT THE SCHEDULE OPEN. WE WILL BE WORKING WITH STAFF. UH. AND OF COURSE, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY INPUT FROM YOU ALL TODAY IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING, BUT WE'LL BUILD YOU OUT A SCHEDULE WITH THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF, UM PUBLIC INPUT PROCESSES AND THEN THE FINAL ADOPTION. SO I'LL JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE 2020 CENSUS DATA TELLS US. THESE ARE YOUR CURRENT MAP.
THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS, BUT I WON'T BELIEVE HER THAT. OKAY SO THIS IS THE 2020 CENSUS DATA FOR THE CITY. YOUR TOTAL POPULATION HAS GROWN TO 195 195,164. UH THAT GIVES US AN IDEAL SIZE DISTRICT OF 48,791. SO AROUND A LITTLE LESS THAN 50,000 IS YOUR IDEAL SIZE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. YOUR LARGEST DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO BE THREE AND FOUR. EXCUSE ME TWO AND FOUR, WITH TWO BEING THE LARGEST AND THEN YOUR LIGHTEST DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO BE ONE AND THREE, WITH ONE BEING THE LIGHTEST AND ONE'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY LIED AND THEN TWO IS PRETTY HAPPY. SO. UM YOUR OVERALL DEVIATION IS 45.19% WHICH MEANS THAT YOU GUYS ARE DEFINITELY IN THE BOAT OF GETTING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THAT MEANS WE BASICALLY NEED TO ADD A LOT MORE TO ONE. YES ONE IS GOING TO BE TO ABSORB A SIGNIFICANT POPULATION. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOSE. ADDED TO AND TWO AND FOUR. YEAH. THIS IS THE VOTING AGE POPULATION. UM. IT'S THE SAME. THE SAME TRENDS HERE. IT'S JUST ANOTHER DATA POINT. THE CENSUS GIVES US, UM THE VOTING AGE POPULATION IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE LESS OVERALL, BUT IT'S GOING TO REFLECT THE SAME TRENDS. ALSO GIVES US THE DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN. YOUR HIGHEST LEVEL, FOR EXAMPLE OF HISPANIC POPULATION IS GOING TO BE IN DISTRICT ONE RIGHT NOW, UM. YEAH, PRETTY MUCH DISTRICT ONE AND THE OTHERS ARE ABOUT THE SAME HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATION IS ALSO DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT TWO. AND THIS GIVES US KIND OF A BROADER BREAKDOWN, BUT THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE MAJOR DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS YOU HAVE. THEY'RE SOME SMALLER GROUPS AS WELL. BUT. AND THIS IS A THEMATIC MAP. SO THIS TELLS US KIND OF WHERE FOLKS ARE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND AGAIN. THIS SHOWS YOU YOU'VE GOT YOUR AGAIN. THIS IS A HISPANIC HISPANIC THEMATIC MAP. SHOWS US THAT MOST OF THE HISPANIC OR THE MOST CONCENTRATED HISPANIC POPULATIONS ARE IN DISTRICT ONE. AND THEN THIS IS YOUR AFRICAN AMERICAN HAS THEMATIC MAP, AND ACTUALLY, YOU'RE AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATION IS DISTRIBUTED FAIRLY EVENLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. KIND OF ALL ACROSS THE DISTRICT, SO. SO THOSE ARE GENERALLY UH HUH. THE CONCEPTS AND WHAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT GOING THROUGH, UM, WILL BE WORKING TO NAIL DOWN THE TIMEFRAME. BUT I KNOW I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY. UH HUH. BUT IF YOU
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HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D LOVE TO ANSWER. QUESTION. UM. SO IN DOING OUR ONE. HOW MUCH? DO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT A CERTAIN MINORITY. UM DISTRICT ONE IS KIND OF OUR MINORITY DISTRICT IS THAT. WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE? WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF MINORITY? IS THAT THE GOAL OR HOW DO WE DO THAT? WELL, WHAT WE HAVE IS WHAT YOU HAVE. THERE IS, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY OF INTEREST IN TERMS OF THE HISPANIC POPULATION THERE, AND SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO BREAK THAT UP. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE BASED ON THE NUMBERS. THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH POPULATION AND PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH CITIZEN VOTING AGE POPULATION TO DRAW MAJORITY DISTRICT THERE, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL LOOK AT. A MAJORITY HISPANIC DISTRICT. SO A LOT OF, UH CITIES. THEY HAVE DISTRICTS BUT THE ENTIRE CITY VOTES FOR EACH COUNCIL PERSON. WHERE THEY'RE TOTALLY AT LARGE SYSTEM. YOU MEAN. WHERE WILL KNOW THEY HAVE A DISTRICT BUT THEY'RE VOTED BY LIKE ALAN. I BELIEVE IT IS WHERE ALLEN HAS MEMBERS DISTRICTS BUT EVERYBODY THE ENTIRE CITY VOTES FOR EACH PERSON. YES. SO THAT'S. THAT'S RIGHT, RIGHT? THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF. UH HUH. YES AND IN FACT, MESQUITE USED TO BE THAT WAY, TOO, AND THEN WE HELP THEM. THEY DID A CHARTER ELECTION AND CHANGE TO SINGLE MEMBERS. SO THERE ARE FEW CITIES UP HERE THAT DO THAT. THAT'S REALLY KIND OF AN AT LARGE SYSTEM WITH A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? YEAH EXACTLY WHATEVER IT IS ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN FASCINATED THAT. RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S JUST. POSITIVE. IN ORDER TO SEPARATE THE RIGHT, OKAY. THE TREND IS MOVING THE OTHER WAY. YOU HAVE THE CITIES. YOU HAVE THE AT LARGE OR GRAB THE AT LARGE OF RESIDENCY AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE IS THAN MOVING TO SINGLE MEMBER. WHICH IN THE. I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT, HE SAID. SOMETIMES CITIZENS, UH. PRODUCE THEIR OWN PLANS AND TURN THEM AN YES, YOU DID, AND IT'S IT IS INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS SOMETIMES, AND SOMETIMES IT IS. ADVOCACY GROUPS WILL DO THAT SOMETIMES, TOO. SO WE DO WE DO GET PLANS THAT COME IN FROM DIFFERENT FOLKS. UM YOU KNOW, FOR CITIZENS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE QUITE THE SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE. BUT THERE ARE RESOURCES FOR FOLKS WHO WANT TO DO IT. THERE'S THERE ON THE INTERNET, YOU CAN GO AND GET PRETTY DECENT. REDISTRICTING SOFTWARE OR APPLICATIONS THAT YOU CAN DO THIS PROCESS AND GET THEM AFTER IT WILL QUALIFY FOR WHAT WE NEED. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO MIGHT BE ENTERTAINING IS WHAT I'M THINKING. GOT A QUESTION SURE. SO I REPRESENT DISTRICT ONE. UM SO I'VE GOT TO GROW. AND I AM BORDERED BY DIST AND DISTRICT TO WHICH IS HIGH, BUT DISTRICT TWO IS RIGHT. IN WHERE. OUR INCUMBENT LIVES WOULD BE MY POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH. IN DISTRICT TWO. SO IS IT BETTER TO TAKE FROM DISTRICT THREE, WHICH WOULD THEN IN TURN, HAVE TO TAKE FROM ANOTHER DISTRICT OR. THAT'S OFTENTIMES THE WAY IT GOES. YOU KNOW IT IS. IT IS NICE WHEN YOU CAN MOVE ONE PRECINCT ONE VOTING PRECINCT AND GET THE CITY INTO BALANCE, BUT TYPICALLY PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE IS OUT OF BALANCE IS 46. UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO PRODUCT CHANGE. AND. I MEAN, HOW DOES GRANNY THIS BUT. RIGHT DOES THE I GUESS I'M NOT ASKING YOU THIS, BUT I'M ASKING THIS IN RESPECT TO RAINING. RAINY IS A, UM TERM LIMITED INCUMBENT. UM DOES THAT MATTER IN TERMS OF THE THING YOU PUT UP WITH. IN REGARDS TO WHERE THE INCUMBENTS LIVE. THE FACT THAT HE CAN'T RUN IN THAT DISTRICT AGAIN. THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. AGAIN. INCUMBENCY IS NOT PER SE LEGAL REQUIREMENT. IT JUST IS A IT'S A PRACTICAL AS A PRACTICAL MATTER. WE TRY TO OBSERVE AND RESPECT IT BECAUSE AGAIN THERE ARE RELATIONSHIPS THERE THAT WE ARE. VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT DISRUPTING. YOU AIN'T MOVING ME OUT. I'M JUST TELLING YOU CAN'T MOVE ME OUT. BUT THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I'M END UP 12,000 FROM. GREAT. WELL, TWO AND THREE, ALL RIGHT. MAYOR PRO TEM LIVES. I JUST PUT A LITTLE[00:30:02]
DARK. YOU DIDN'T OKAY? YOU DO IT YOURSELF. DID YOU PRETTY CLOSE TO 75? WELL, WE ARE PRETTY GOOD IN MY GPS POSTER, GOOD AT FINDING A WAY TO KEEP FOLKS IN THE DISTRICT AND MOVING FOLKS AROUND NOW YOU KNOW AGAIN. MY PLAN IS TO COME IN HERE AND HAVE A MAP THAT YOU ALL LOOK AT AND SAY. THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE AND THEN MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES YOU FEEL APPROPRIATE. BUT OF COURSE, IF I BRING IT IN HERE, AND YOU GUYS DO YOUR WAY OFF THE BITE THE YOU KNOW THE MAP ARE THE BASIS HERE, THEN WE'LL START FROM. WE'LL START FROM WE HAVE.WE'LL START MAKING CHANGES UNTIL YOU ALL ARE HAPPY WITH IT. BUT WE CAN. WE CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE FOLKS ARE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS. WE DO HAVE AS WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THE INCUMBENCY INFORMATION. PRIOR TO THIS PROCESS, WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO GET GIS DATA AND SHAPE FILES THAT REFLECTS ALL OF THAT, SO WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THAT BUILT INTO THE PLATFORM SO THAT WHEN WE ARE DOING. THAT REAL REAL TIME DRAWING WILL HAVE THAT RIGHT THERE, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE NOT TO YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN OBSERVE AND RESPECT THAT. SO HAVE YOU. HAVE YOU PUT TOGETHER ANY JUST KIND OF MM. MM. MODELS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AT THIS TIME, OR HAVE YOU NOT DONE THAT YET? NOT AT THIS TIME. AND THE FIRST THING I NEED THE COUNCIL TO DO, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS FOR YOU, UM NOT NEXT MEETING THIS AFTERNOON. OR IS THERE A MEETING THIS EVENING? NO. A WEEK FROM TOOK TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. OKAY NEXT TUESDAY. I'M GOING TO HAVE THE RESOLUTIONS FOR THE CRITERIA AND GUIDELINES. I'M GOING TO GET YOU TO ADOPT THOSE FIRST. THAT WAY. WE'LL HAVE THOSE IN PLACE. AND THEN AFTER THAT I CAN COME BACK AND BRING YOU A PLAN WE DON'T START DRAWING UNTIL THE GUIDELINES ARE SO IF YOU WHEN YOU DO THAT, WILL YOU SEND THEM TO US AND HAVE US LOOK AT OVER? BEFORE YOU ABSOLUTELY PRESENTED AND SO WE CAN HELP THAT. SO WE'RE NOT? YEP WE WILL SEND YOU A MAP, AS WELL AS THE DEMOGRAPHIC TABLE REPORTS FOR EACH PLAN THAT WE DO AND YOU'LL HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU WITH OUR CONCERNS.
SEPARATELY BECAUSE WE CAN DO TOGETHER. OKAY? RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL TO ADHERE TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES, BUT CERTAINLY WE'LL TAKE ANY FEEDBACK YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. UM I WANT YOU IN, UH, RISK THE COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT FRED AND I HAVE CONFERRED ON THIS AND WE'RE WILLING TO TRANSFER ANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS TO ANY OF THE DISTRICTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ALL WORKS APPROPRIATELY. WHAT'S GREAT MAN, CHARLIE? ALTHOUGH I AM AT LARGE, I DO HAVE SOME STILL IN THE DISTRICT. I LIVED, I'D BE GLAD TO DONATE TO OTHERS. TALK ABOUT THAT WE TRADE RIGHT? MAYBE WE COULD DO LIKE OUR BASEBALL TRADING DRAFT DAYS. I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION. OKAY DISTRICT ONE WAS WAS DRAWN IN. TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. UM AND I THINK IT IS CONSIDERED A MAJORITY. MINORITY CONSOLIDATION DISTRICT. IN. ATTEMPTING TO MAINTAIN THAT IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR GROWTH OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. IN THAT SO LIKE IF YOU DREW THAT TO WHERE IT WAS JUST BARELY. MAJORITY MINORITY, AND IT HAD ALL OF THE UPPER REACHES OF THE NORTHERN SECTORS WHICH WE EXPECT TO SEE A LOT OF GROWTH AND THAT MAY. TAKE IT BELOW THAT NUMBER. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THAT? YES WE ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE GO THROUGH AND WE CAN LEAVE. WE CAN'T TAKE ACCOUNT OF EXPECTED GROWTH IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. AND OFTENTIMES, IF WE HAVE AN AREA WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN. WE'LL LEAVE IT A LITTLE LIGHT.
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO FILL IN AND VICE VERSA. SO YES, WE CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERING.
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[Consider/Discuss the State of the Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone (HNIZ) Tax Exemption Program]
STATE OF THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM. HELLO JENNIFER. HELLO, MR MAYOR. I'M JUST HERE BRIEFLY TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM, AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO PAUL AND ASTA. OUR NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER AND RECENTLY PROMOTED TO DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION PLANNING MANAGER AS A TODAY, ACTUALLY, SO. TODAY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK BACK ON THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE H AND I SEE PROGRAM, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2000 AND SEVEN TO HELP ENCOURAGE RESIDENT PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO REINVEST AND REHABILITATE THEIR PROPERTIES AND OFFER SOME TAX EXEMPTIONS. IN SUPPORT OF THAT THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW AND WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD. WITH GUY RETIRING AND PAULA JOINING.WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO LOOK BACK AND PROVIDE A QUICK UPDATE TO THE COUNCIL AND TALK ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT THERE MIGHT BE FOR PROGRAM ENHANCEMENTS, IMPROVEMENTS OR CHANGES. SO. WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO PAULA TO DIG IN WITH IT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. GOOD
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AFTERNOON COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME'S PAUL ANESTA AS JENNIFER JUST MENTIONED AND WE'VE ALL MET A FEW TIMES BEFORE. SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK. THERE WE GO. SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TODAY AND THE STATE OF THE H AND C PROGRAM, ITS SUCCESS IS ITS OPPORTUNITIES AND JUST TO KIND OF BRIEF. LOOK AHEAD ON THAT. THIS IS A MAP OF THE AREA THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE H AND EASY AREA. EASY AS JENNIFER MENTIONED THE PURPOSE WAS TO PRESERVE THE CITY'S UNIQUE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND FOSTER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA THROUGH MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION OF EXISTING RESIDENCES. THERE ARE A FEW HOMES FROM AROUND THE DISTRICT AND THE SLIDES THAT WAS RICK'S HOUSE. I WAS NOT HERE. OKAY THAT'S NOT HOUSES THAT WE HAVE.PERHAPS SO. UM SO THERE ARE THREE LEVELS TO OUR CURRENT AGENT PROGRAM. THERE'S A LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL THREE PROGRAM. THE LEVEL ONE PROGRAM HAS RECORDED REQUIREMENT FOR HISTORIC MARKER. OF VERIFIED INVESTMENT ON THE PROPERTY. UH IT'S REHABILITATION AND MAINTENANCE, AND IT IS A ONE TIME EXEMPTION OF 100% OF THE ADVIL OR, UM, TAXES FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. FOR SEVEN YEARS. IT HAS AN APPROVAL PROCESS THAT RUNS THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. THEY APPROVED THE MARKER, AND THEN THEY CAN APPROVE THE HOUSE. UH, THE ACTUAL EXEMPTION. AWARD. EXCUSE ME. THE LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL THREE OR SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. THOSE TWO BOTH GO THROUGH THE BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS COMMISSION FOR THEIR APPROVALS. THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT WAS LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL THREE.
THERE'S A HEAVY REHABILITATION AND MAINTENANCE COMPONENT TO THOSE TWO AREAS. THEY BOTH REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ELIGIBLE WORK PERFORMED ON THE PROPERTY. THOSE AMOUNTS ARE BASED ON DOLLAR INVESTMENTS, SO LEVEL TWO IS A $10,000 EXPENDITURE. IN A LEVEL THREE IS A MINIMUM $5000 EXPENDITURE AND WITH EACH OF THOSE, THERE'S CERTAIN ITEMS THAT CAN BE INCLUDED FOUNDATION WORK, STRUCTURAL REPAIRS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE LEVEL TWO GIVES A 50% EXEMPTION FOR 15 YEARS, AND THE LEVEL THREE GIVES A 30% EXEMPTION TO THE CITY'S AT THE LAURIN PROPERTY TAXES FOR 15 YEARS. YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL THREE HAVE A 15 YEAR TIMEFRAME. THE LEVEL ONE ORIGINALLY WHEN IT WAS BEGUN IN 2000 AND EIGHT, UH, HAD A 15 YEAR TIMELINE AS WELL. WE WENT BACK A FEW YEARS AGO AND ONE OF OUR REVISIONS AND CHANGE THAT TO A SEVEN YEAR PROGRAM. TO LOOK AT JUST A FEW EXAMPLES BECAUSE THERE ARE THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. SOMETIMES YOU WANT TO SEE HOW THE NUMBERS ACTUALLY PLAY OUT. SO WE DID THIS LITTLE CHART TO SHOW YOU HOW THAT WOULD WORK. SO IF YOU LOOK AT KIND OF AN AVERAGE VALUE HOUSE IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY TODAY. WE HAVE A $350,000 HOME. IT GETS NO EXEMPTION BASED ON OUR CURRENT TAX RATE IT WOULD SPEND IT WOULD PAY ABOUT $1700 IN TAXES TO THE CITY. IF IT DID A HISTORIC MARKER APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED AND THEN GOT IT'S 100% EXEMPTION APPROVED OVER THE SEVEN YEARS THAT WOULD BE $12,000 IN TAXES EXEMPTED.
FOR THE LEVEL TO PROGRAM AGAIN. THAT'S THE PROGRAM WHERE YOU HAVE TO INVEST $10,000 AND YOU GET 50% OF THE TAXES EXEMPTED FOR 15 YEARS, SO AFTER THAT 15 YEARS, THEY WOULD HAVE $13,000 OF TAXES. THAT WERE REMOVED FROM THAT NUMBER. UH THAT WERE EXEMPTED. THEY DIDN'T PAY AND THEN WITH THE 30TH THE LEVEL THREE THAT NUMBER WOULD REDUCE DOWN TO ONLY $7000 THAT WERE EXEMPTED, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 30% A LITTLE BIT LESS. SO WHERE DOES THE PROGRAM APPLY? UH THERE IS A CONCEPTION THAT IT'S KIND OF IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE ENTIRE HISTORICALLY SENSITIVE AREA OF MCKINNEY THAT GOES FROM HIGHWAY FIVE TO AIRPORT DRIVE. ON THE EAST AND WEST AND THEN FROM UNIVERSITY DRIVE ON THREE OR 3 80 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD SLASH ELDORADO A LITTLE BIT OF A BEND THERE. UM. YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS. THERE'S KIND OF A CLUSTERING OF HOMES AS I MENTIONED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH THEIR LARGE PERCENTAGE OF. A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THEM CAN BE SEEN HERE, BROKEN DOWN WITH THE DIFFERENT COLORS WHERE YOU HAVE THE LEVEL ONES ARE THE TWO DIFFERENT BLUE COLORS. THE DARKER BLUE MOON OLDER 15 YEAR PROGRAM. AND THE LEVEL 17 YEAR PROGRAM HAS BEEN THE LIGHTER BLUE. UM YOU'LL SEE. THERE'S ALSO THERE FOR COMBINATIONS. THERE ARE A FEW HOMES THAT HAVE A COMBINATION. AWARDS SO THEY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY MAY HAVE A LEVEL ONE EXEMPTION RIGHT NOW. AND WHEN THAT RUNS OUT NEXT YEAR, THEIR LEVEL THREE EXEMPTION THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN FOR ADDITIONAL WORK THAT
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THEY'VE DONE IN THE HOUSE KICKS IN AND LAST FOR AN ADDITIONAL PERIOD OF TIME. THERE'S NOT TOO MANY OF THOSE, BUT THERE ARE FEW. IF WE TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY, JENNIFER MENTIONED THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED BACK IN 2000 AND SEVEN IT WAS ACTUALLY INITIATED BY COMMITTEE THAT WAS INVESTIGATING IT BACK IN 2000 AND SIX AND IN 2000 AND SEVEN THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED WITH AN AGGREGATE CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT COULD BE FOREGONE A $50,000. OVER TIME.WE HAVE INCREASED THAT AGGREGATE CAP THROUGH AMENDMENT BECAUSE OF THE POPULARITY OF THE PROGRAM AND BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. IN THE H I Z AREA IN GENERAL OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. OR LESS. 14 YEARS TODAY WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 136 HOUSES IN THE PROGRAM AND AN AGGREGATE CAP OF $250,000 THAT. 1 36 NUMBERS ACTUALLY A LITTLE OFF. THERE'S ACTUALLY 1 37 THAT ONE WAS JUST AWARDED THIS PAST AUGUST. AND SO THE 1 36 REPRESENTS THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE ACTUALLY. OF WAR AWARDED FOR THIS PARTICULAR TAX YEAR. SO THAT'S THAT NUMBER. GO BACK A COUPLE SLIDES. SURE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING. THIS ONE. KEEP GOING BACK. THERE YOU GO SO THAT 30% THE TAXABLE VALUE WOULD BE 2 45 ON THE BOTTOM. THAT THE BECAUSE THE EXEMPTIONS EXEMPTIONS 105,000. RIGHT, THE 100,000. IT WOULD BE TO 45. YES 105 IS THE ACTUALLY NOT THE TAXABLE VALUE. IT'S THE EXEMPTED VALUE JUST SHOWING THESE ABSOLUTELY WORTH. GOT IT.
EXEMPTED TAX TAXABLE VALUE EXEMPTED TEXTBOOK? YES SO JUST THE 30% TO 45 WOULD ACTUALLY BE GETTING TAXES ON YES, I GET IT. YEAH. OKAY? SO APPROVED PROPERTIES AS I MENTIONED THERE IS 136 BY MARCH OF THIS YEAR THAT MARCH DEADLINE IS ESTABLISHED BY COLLIN COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UH, COLLEGE CENTRAL PRISON DISTRICT. THEY REQUIRE US TO GET THEM OUR DATA BY MARCH 1ST SO THAT THEY HAVE TIME TO GET INTEGRATED INTO THEIR SYSTEM. MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE CORRECT EXEMPTIONS SET UP. ONE OTHER ASPECT OF THAT IS THAT HOMEOWNERS MUST INDIVIDUALLY APPLY TO THE COUNTY FURTHER FOR THEIR EXEMPTION EACH YEAR. THAT'S A STATE MANDATED RULES. SO EVEN THOUGH WE'VE AWARDED IT FOR A PERIOD OF SEVEN YEARS EACH YEAR, THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE COUNTY AND SAY YES, I WANT TO TAKE MY EXEMPTION AGAIN THIS YEAR. AND BECAUSE OF THAT THIS YEAR, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE 136 HOMES APPROVED, 100 OF THEM CLAIM THEIR EXEMPTION THIS YEAR 36 PROPERTIES DID NOT APPLY TO SEE CARD FOR THAT. SEVEN OF THOSE 136 PROPERTIES EXPIRE NEXT YEAR. AND SO WE EXPECT RIGHT NOW SHOULD BE ABOUT 100 AND 29 PROPERTIES. SEEKING THE EXEMPTION NEXT YEAR. EVERY YEAR. SEEKING EXEMPTION CANNOT EXTEND THE YEAR. SO IF THEY MISSED IT THIS YEAR, AND THEY'RE SEVEN YEARS EXPIRES NEXT YEAR, THEY CAN'T GO TILL 2023. THEY'RE IN YEAR TWO, AND THEY JUST DIDN'T FOLLOW.
PAPERWORK WITH THE. SHAKE AND COME BACK AND FILE THE NEXT YEAR. YEAH THEY HAVE SIMPLY JUST FORGOTTEN YES. SOMETIMES AS THEY FORGOT. SOMETIMES IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S THERE LIKE AN OWNER SWITCH, AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE OWNER SWITCH. THAT KIND OF THING. UM. SO IN THE DISTRICT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SPECIFICALLY WE HAVE PRESERVATION PRIORITIES OF HIGH, MEDIUM AND LOW PRIORITY. OKAY? THAT'S OKAY. IT'S YOU SUCCEEDED. SO ANYWAY, THERE'S PRESERVATION PRIORITIES IN THE DISTRICT THAT BASICALLY ESTABLISHED WHAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING A PROPERTY. NON CONTRIBUTING MEANS IT'S JUST NOT HISTORIC.
GENERALLY EITHER. IT'S TOO NEW, BUT IT'S BEEN ALTERED SO MUCH THAT IT'S NOT EVEN CONSIDERED LOW. IT'S GENERALLY THEIR NEW PROPERTIES. UH NEWER PROPERTIES NEW BEING ANYTHING YOUNGER THAN 50 YEARS, SO BUILT AFTER 1971 GENERALLY BUT ARE BUT YEAH, GENERALLY 50 YEARS. LOW IS GENERALLY JUST A HOUSE. THAT'S. PRESERVATION PRIORITY BECAUSE OF HOW OLD IT IS SO AND THEN BEHIND THE MEDIUM ARE THE ONES THAT ARE USUALLY MORE SIGNIFICANT. SO YOU CAN SEE FROM LOOKING AT THIS GRAPH THAT THE GREATEST PERCENTAGE OF OUR HOUSES ARE IN THE HIGH AND MEDIUM AREAS, AND THERE'S A FEW IN LOW AND A FEW AND NON CONTRIBUTING. THAT ALSO REINFORCES THAT MAP THAT WE SAW BEFORE THAT SHOWED MOST OF THAT CLUSTER BEING IN THAT KIND OF H
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O D AREA. AND. WE DID TAKE A LITTLE STEP BACK AND LOOK AS JENNIFER SAYING AT THE PROGRAM OVERALL AND SO WE LOOKED AT, UM HOW THE PROPERTIES BROKE DOWN BY PROPERTY VALUE AND THEIR LEVEL AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF THE GREAT MAJORITY OF HOUSES THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW FALL AGAIN BETWEEN LEVEL ONE AND LEVEL TWO. AND IN THAT 252 750,000.THERE'S TWO RANGES RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE GREATEST CHUNK. WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM YEARS AGO, OR HOUSING VALUES WERE NOT THIS HIGH, SO THAT MILLION DOLLARS OVER MARK WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE THAT WE HAVE ONE PROPERTY IN THAT BALLPARK NOW, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY A PROPERTY THAT INCREASED IN VALUE OVER THE LAST YEAR. AND SO IT FINALLY MADE IT TO THAT BRACKET. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT IN THE LEVEL THREE. WE HAVE A LOT OF FEWER PROPERTIES. SO UM, OTHER THING TO CONSIDER. ALWAYS CONSIDERING WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAM IS HOW MANY TAXES HAVE WE HAVE? WE FORGOTTEN HOW MUCH HAS GONE IF YOU LOOK OVER THE COURSE OF TIME FROM 2000 AND EIGHT TILL NOW. WE HAVE GONE FROM THE MEAGRE SUM OF $1900 UP TO OUR CURRENT SOME OF ABOUT $189,000. WE'VE UPPED THE CAP FOR THAT EACH. IN 2013, 2015 AND 2018 AND AGAIN, I NOTED, I'LL SAY AGAIN. WE HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF HOUSES INCREASING IN THE PROGRAM AND THE VALUE OF HOMES AND, UH TIMES CONTINUED TO GO UP. LOOKING A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THAT IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, WHEN WE SUBMITTED THOSE DOCUMENTS TO SEEK HAD TO SAY THESE ARE THE HOUSES THAT WE HAVE EXEMPT ALL 136 OF THEM THE ESTIMATED FOREGONE REVENUES THAT WE ANTICIPATED TO LOSE THIS YEAR OR $262,000, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST OVER THAT CAT. THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT WAS LIKE I SAID, BASED ON THE 136 AND BASED ON THE PREVIOUS TAX RATE, BECAUSE THERE'S THE ESTIMATES WE HAD. IN AUGUST, THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST, THE SIKH HAD CERTIFIED THEIR VALUES AND GAVE US UPDATED INFORMATION ON THE EXEMPTIONS. AND SO WE KNOW BASED ON THE REDUCED NUMBER OF HOMES THAT HAVE APPLIED TO SEE CAD. AND ON PREVIOUS PRESIDENT EXEMPTIONS THAT COME OUT BEFORE THE CITY TAXES CAN COME OUT THAT THAT NUMBER IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER. AND THEN WE LOWER THE TAX RATE, SO WE SAVED A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY THAT WAY.
AND SO WE ARE SAVED OUR LOSS A LITTLE BIT UM, SO WE ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE WRESTLING AND WE ONLY GOING TO FORGIVE ABOUT. 189,000 THIS YEAR IN TAXES, SO A LITTLE LOWER THAN WE WERE EXPECTING, BUT STILL STILL APPROACHING THAT NUMBER IF THOSE 36 PROPERTIES HAD ACTUALLY APPLIED THAT HADN'T WE WOULD BE AT 241,000, BASED ON. THESE REDUCED EXEMPTION VALUES THAT WE GOT FROM THE CAD IN AUGUST. WHAT WAS THE LAST YEAR? YOU ACTUALLY HIT THAT CAP OF 250,000? WE HAVE NOT YET WE'VE COME JUST SHY OF IT EACH TIME. SO SOME OF THE SUCCESSES WE HAD IN THE PROGRAM, AS WE HAVE SEEN THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE INCREASED. UM WE KNOW THOSE CONTINUING TO GROW. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE NUMBER OF HOMES PARTICIPATING THE PROGRAM HAS GONE IN 2000 AND EIGHT WE HAD THREE WE'RE NOW UP TO 137. SOME OPPORTUNITIES AS I MENTIONED BEFORE. WE'RE KIND OF REALLY CONDENSED INTO THAT GENERAL HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AREA AND SO THERE COULD BE MAYBE SOME EXPANSION INTO THE BROADER AREAS OF THE H AND EASY. UH H AND Z ZONES SO WE COULD ROLL OUT THERE. MAYBE THERE'S SOME THINGS WE CAN DO WITH THE APPLICATION WINDOW RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE ROLLING APPLICATIONS. UM AND SO THAT KIND OF CREATES THIS, UM, PROCESS WHERE. THEY'RE APPLYING ALL YEAR, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT GET THEIR WARD OF THEIR EXEMPTION UNTIL, SAY SEPTEMBER, BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GET APPLIED TO THE NEXT YEAR, SO THAT COULD BE A LITTLE CLEARER. MAYBE. WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THE PROGRAM SET UP TO RUN VERY EASILY THROUGH OUR SELF SERVICE APPLICATION PORTAL, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY DO THAT. THAT'S KIND OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD OF THAT. WE'RE ALL MOVING EVERYTHING TO AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THERE. AND THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KIND OF EXPAND THE EDUCATIONAL POTENTIAL OF THE MARKET PROGRAM. SOMETHING I DIDN'T MENTION BEFORE IS ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THE MARKET PROGRAM IS TO ENCOURAGE THE. AN INCREASE IN THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION WE HAVE ON DIFFERENT HOUSES IN THE COMMUNITY, AND SO THERE COULD BE A WAY THAT WE COULD GET THAT INFORMATION DISSEMINATED THE LITTLE MORE WHEN SOMEBODY HAS.
CLYDE AND RECEIVED IT. CAN THEY EVER COME BACK AGAIN? AND GET THE LEVEL ONE EXEMPTION. NO.
GET OTHERS RIGHT NOW. THEY CAN GET OTHERS. THEY CAN GET THE LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL THREE. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY LEVEL ONE IS WRITTEN IS IT'S ONE TIME. SEVEN YEARS OR 15 YEARS, LINGERING FROM. CHANGED FROM. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 2015. I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT IT'S ALLUDING
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ME AT THE MOMENT. UM. MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF HOMES IN THE LEVEL ONE PROGRAM AND THE VALUE THAT WE ARE LOSING FROM THAT. SO IN THE LEVEL ONE IS IT JUST THE HISTORICAL MARKER OR IS THERE A AMOUNT IF THEY HAVE TO? THERE IS NOT AN AMOUNT. IT'S JUST VERIFIED INVESTMENT IN THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'VE SHOWN THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY AND WORKING TO KEEP THE HOME IMPROVED MINIMUM NUMBER REQUIRED. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE AGENCY'S PROGRAM IS A LOT OF TIMES IT SEEMS HISTORICALLY TO HAVE COME ABOUT ONCE PEOPLE WERE APPLYING FOR ECOWAS AND DOING WORK ON THEIR PROPERTIES ANYWAY, AND SO IT WAS CONNECTED TO THAT. BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE SOMETIMES THEY DON'T DO THE LEVEL ONE MARKET APPLICATION UNTIL MANY YEARS AFTER THEY'VE DONE. MODIFICATIONS FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN RESEARCHING IT. SO ONE OF ONE OF OUR BIG QUESTIONS HERE TODAY IS A JUST TO, UM TO GET YOU GUYS INFORMED ON WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT ALSO TO FIND OUT IF THIS IS STILL ACCOMPLISHING COUNCILS GOALS. AND YOU KNOW IF YOU GUYS SEE ANY ROOM FOR CHANGE, OR UM. ADDITIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS AND ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE AGGREGATE CAPTAIN, WHERE YOU THINK THAT MIGHT GO, AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL TAKE BACK COMMENTS WE GET FROM THIS GROUP HERE. TO THE HP HP BOARD AND DISCUSS WITH THEM IF THEY HAVE ANY CHANGES OR ADVICE THAT THEY WANT TO GET TO IT AS WELL. S THE QUESTION WAS THE IN THE PROGRAM WAS. DEVISED THERE WAS OBVIOUS. REASON ONE REASON WAS THE INCENTIVE TO GET PEOPLE TO MAKE INVESTMENTS IN THE HOME AND BRING THEM. THE QUALITY STANDARD OF THE HOME. THE MAINTENANCE OF THE HOME UP WAS ANOTHER, MAYBE TWO. WITH THE NUMBER OF INCREASED HOMES THAT ARE DESIGNATED THIS HISTORICAL MARKERS. UM SOMETHING THAT BODES WELL FOR THE CITY AND. YOU KNOW, EVEN TOURISM? MAYBE IF YOU WILL WERE A CITY OF HISTORICAL LANDMARK HOMES AND ALSO, DOESN'T IT? ONCE A HOME ACHIEVES THAT DESIGNATION. IT. HANDICAPS THEM. QUITE A BIT OF WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO IN THE FUTURE. IS IT NOT? NO NO, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON ALTERATIONS TO THE HOME. SO THE GUYS WHILE YOU HAVE THE AGENT EXEMPTION. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ANY WORK OR CHANGES THAT YOU'RE DOING TO THE HOUSE, MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY WHILE YOU HAVE THE EXEMPTION. YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR CEO IS APPROVED FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS APPROVED FOR ANY CHANGES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE. BUT IT IS NOT A LONGSTANDING LANDMARK STATUS TO IT. SO OUR MARKER IS NOT SEPARATE FROM A LANDMARK DESIGNATION, SOME NO LIMITATIONS THAT COME WITH THAT. ESSENTIALLY IT'S NOT.IT'S NOT A BINDING ZONING CHANGE. IT'S JUST THE SAME THAT ANY OF THE OTHER AGENT PROPERTIES WOULD HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T IF YOU IF YOU MAKE CHANGES THAT DO NOT HAVE A CEO A OR THAT. ARE NOT IN THE CHARACTER AND PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT. THEN YOU COULD RISK LOSING YOUR EXEMPTION, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE EXTENT NOTHING LIKE A STATE HISTORIC MARKER.
NO NO, WE HAVE A SEPARATE LANDMARK AND DISTRICT ORDINANCE. THAT UM, THE LAST DESIGNATIONS THAT WE REALLY HAD WERE THE DESIGNATIONS OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, NOT ANY SPECIFIC LANDMARKS. RETRACT THE FIRST HALF OF MY FIRST COMMENT, THEN. IT'S PRIMARILY EDUCATIONAL. AND UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE ACTUAL BOARD HERE. WOULD YOU LET HIS MIND COMING UP AND INTRODUCING YOURSELF? ARE YOU, BETTY PET KOSIK LIVING 11? OH, ONE WEST LOUISIANA, AND I'M ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. AND WHAT POSITION DO YOU SERVE ON THAT JORDAN? CHAIRPERSON MA'AM FOR YOU, UH, FIRST. I'M NINA DOWNHILL, RINGLEY AND I LIVE AT 313 NORTH BENCH STREET AND I DO HAVE ONE OF THESE MARKERS AS WELL. AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIS BOARD BEGAN WHEN JULIE VARGO WAS ON COUNCIL AND GEIGER SH WAS ELECTED AND. AND EVERYTHING STARTED HAPPENING FOR OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN WE GOT THE BROWN SIGNS AND EVERYTHING, SO WE'VE COME A LONG WAY. THANK YOU. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FROM THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. I HAD ASKED THAT THIS MATTER BE PLACED ON OUR WORK SESSION AGENDA BECAUSE OF SOME COMMENTS AND THE LAST MEETING. THAT THERE'S AND IT'S TWO FOLD.
MY CONCERNS IS ONE LOT OF PEOPLE ARE BUYING HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH THE MIND
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TO MAKE CERTAIN REPAIRS. CHANGES IN. ADDITIONS TO THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. UH AND THEN THEY COME TO THE HARSH REALITY THAT, UH THOSE CHANGES ARE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED AS THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE WHEN THEY MADE THEIR PURCHASE, AND IT GIVES PEOPLE MORE AMMUNITION. TO JUMP AWAY AND ARE PLANNING AND ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND SAY HOW MISERABLE IT IS TO WORK WITH MCKINNEY. THEY DID ALL THIS AND THEN WOULDN'T LET HIM HAVE MAKE THEIR REPAIRS AND REMODELING AS THEY WANTED TO DO IT. AND SO ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAD SUGGESTED AND EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO EDUCATE. UH CITIZENS IN PARTICULAR REALTORS WORKING DOWN IN THIS AREA ABOUT WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE AS WELL AS WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE.OF BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I THINK THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WANTED SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL AS TO ENGAGING IN THAT EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM AND GIVING THEM THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES MCKINNEY MUCH BETTER, UH, TAKES AWAY. SOME ARGUMENTS ABOUT OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEING DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH. AND INCREASES THE AWARENESS OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AND INCREASES THE OVERALL INTEGRITY OF MCKINNEY. SO I'D LIKE TO COUNSEL'S COMMENTS TO OUR CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IF SHE ALL ARE BEHIND THEM, ENGAGING IN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
AS I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE TO. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE ARE EDUCATED WHEN THEY BUY SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BUYING. I THINK THAT REALTORS ARE ALWAYS EXCITED AND THEY WERE GOING TO SELL WHATEVER THEY CAN SELL AND. YOU KNOW, AND NOT REALLY WORRY ABOUT THE CONCERNS OF THE ACTUAL BUYER, AND THEY GET EXCITED WITH THEM TO, YOU KNOW.
YEAH. YOU CAN DO THIS. THIS AND THAT JUST TO FIND OUT THAT YOU CAN. YEAH SO IT'S THE EDUCATION I'M ALL FOR AND HOWEVER WE NEED TO DO THAT. UM I THINK OUR LEVEL TWO AND THREE OR KIND OF SILLY WITH A 15,000. I THINK YOU KNOW THAT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT THREE TRIPS TO HOME DEPOT. YOU KNOW, TO TEACH YOU BY FORCE? YEAH. TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE, AND I'M JUST LIKE WELL, AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING ANY KIND OF SERIOUS WORK TO THEIR HOME TO REALLY BRING IT TO. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE. UM YOU KNOW TO ME THAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 30 AND 20 TYPE OF THING, NOT FIVE AND 10. WE ACTUALLY HAVE STARTED LOOKING AT THAT AND COMPARING IT TO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES AND THINGS, AND SO THERE'S VALUES ARE IN LINE WITH A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES. AND THE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF BROADER AREA OF THE H AND NOT JUST THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT ONCE WE MOVE OUT FROM THE CENTER, THE PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN. AND SO NOT ONLY DID THE PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN, BUT THE NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT HAPPEN ARE SOMETIMES LESS. UM AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE LEVEL THREE EXEMPTION THAT $5000 MARK IS ABOUT THE AREA THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT FOR REPAIRING A ROOF OR REPLACING A ROOF. AND SO BY KEEPING A MARK THAT LOWER NUMBER THAT MAKES THE PROGRAM THE LEVEL THREE PROGRAM AT LEAST ACCESSIBLE TO A BROADER RANGE OF HOMEOWNERS IN THE DISTRICT. AND SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE A $70,000 HOUSE OR $180,000 HOUSE. THEY MAY NOT BE NOBODY IN THIS AREA THAT HAS THAT THERE ARE ON THE EAST SIDE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TIMES ON THE EAST SIDE THAT HAVE THOSE LOWER HOME VALUES. I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING EAST OF EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE. THERE'S A FEW THAT ARE IN THERE IS QUITE A NUMBER ACTUALLY THAT ARE IN THE 1 80 TO $200,000 RANGE, AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTIES LIKE ON THAT THAT VALUE THAT LOWER THAT LOWER COSTS AT $5000 AMOUNT MAKES IT MORE ACCESSIBLE. I WAS JUST THINKING. WELL YOU AIN'T GOT THE SNAKE OUT OF ONCE YOU COME ACROSS IN YOUR OVER AND TUCKER AND CHURCH AND BENJ AND A LOT OF THOSE THOSE VALUES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. BUT BECAUSE THE AGENT ZONE IS THAT KIND OF BROADER AREA WE GET INTO SOME OF THOSE HOMES THAT HAVE THE LOWER I UNDERSTAND. TO SPEAK TO THE EDUCATION POINT. WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON DEVELOPING A KIND OF A WELCOME LETTER OR A KIND OF A NEWSLETTER OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEND OUT TO THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE AREA AND THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA EVEN BECAUSE WE HAVE TURNOVER IN THE BUSINESSES AS WELL, NOT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE AGENCY'S PROGRAM, BUT. JUST TO SPEAK TO CHARLIE'S POINT WHERE WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THAT THE REALTORS MAY NOT HAVE SHARED.
YES IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET IT BEFORE THE REALTOR SELL YOU THE HOUSE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO TACKLE IT FROM AS MANY SPOTS AS WE CAN. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE
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WORK SESSION BECAUSE I THINK IT DEFINITELY IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A GOOD STRUCTURE AND HOW WE DO EDUCATE FOLKS WHO ARE MOVING INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE NOT DONE AS WELL AS A JOB EDUCATING EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE. AND SO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB ON THAT SIDE AND ANTICIPATE THAT WE MAY HAVE MANY MORE APPLICANTS AND WE SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO ALSO SUPPORT THOSE FOLKS AS WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MISS THAT GROUP OF FOCUS AS WELL. EXACTLY YEAH, I THINK SO. YOU'RE TALKING EDUCATION, TWO FRONTS ONES. THERE'S THE EDUCATION TO THE BARB. IT'S THE EDUCATION TO CURRENT HOMEOWNER THERE PERSON PROGRAM. EXACTLY RIGHT. YOU RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN FIND OUT ABOUT IT IS BY CALLING US, UH, APPLYING FOR SOME OTHER KIND OF WORK. OR CHECKING OUT ON THE WEB PAGE, AND ONCE YOU GET OUTSIDE OF THAT HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, THEY'RE NOT COMING IN GETTING CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM OUR OFFICE, AND SO THEY'RE NOT TYPICALLY CALLING US TO ASK ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE A OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING. INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS. SO LET ME WATCHING THE CLOCK AS WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND A JOINT MEETING AT FIVE O'CLOCK AND ANOTHER MEETING HERE AT SIX, AND THERE'S SOME FEW THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY CRITICAL. THAT WE NEED TO GET TO IT. I DON'T WANT TO. THIS IS CRITICAL AS WELL. SO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. UM BUT I THINK. TOO TO TRY TO YOUR POINT. I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS TO PROMOTE ENCOURAGE AUTHORIZED ADVOCATE. FOR WHATEVER WE WANT TO USE RIGHT NOW TERM, TOO. CREATE A EDUCATIONAL PIECE. BOTH I THINK TO, UM. DR FIELDS POINT COUNCILMAN FELT JUST THE EDUCATING PEOPLE ON CURRENT OWN HOMES THAT THERE IS A PROGRAM AVAILABLE AND TO BUYERS. ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? SO HE DEFINITELY WANTED TO DO THAT. SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AND TELL US THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO HOW DO WE HELP FACILITATE THAT? AND THEN THE OTHER TWO QUESTIONS WERE, UM, IS IT STILL ARE? IS IT ACCOMPLISHING OUR CURRENT GOALS? I WOULD SAY YES. LEAST DESERVE GENERAL CONSENSUS TO THEM. IF WE CAN GET GET THE EDUCATION PEACE OUT. AND THEN THE CAP. WE'RE GOING TO BE AT THE CAP, IF NOT THIS YEAR. CERTAINLY PROBABLY NEXT YEAR. UM I'M ALL FOR RAISING OR ELIMINATING THE CAMP UNTIL IT MAKES SENSE TO COME BACK AND REVISIT. WHERE IS EVERYONE ELSE ON THE CAT? AT THIS POINT IS, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IS TO KEEP RAISING THE CAP OR OR IS THERE A REASON FOR A CAP? AT SOME POINT I CAN SEE THERE MAY BE, BUT WE. WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK. I THINK IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAVE LOOKED AT THERE WE GO. THAT'S RIGHT TO NOT RUSH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S TOO BIG A DISCUSSION OF RUSSIA BECAUSE OF THE SAME SCHEDULE WILL YOU COME BACK WITH WITH WHAT MAKES WHAT YOU BELIEVE MAKES SENSE. AND AT THE SAME TIME, MAYBE COME BACK WITH WHAT IS THAT EDUCATION PIECE LOOKED LIKE AND WHAT WOULD IT COST TO DO THAT AND HOW YOU KNOW? HOW DO WE HELP THE UM, HELP THAT HAPPENED. FINANCIALLY ABSOLUTELY. I WILL FOR EVERYBODY. CAN I ADD A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF COMMENTS? UM ONE JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION. IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEONE TAKES THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION? TO GET THIS OR CAN CAN I? LANDLORD POTENTIALLY UTILIZE. THIS POTENTIALLY JUST HAS TO BE THE HOMEOWNER. IS THERE ANY WAY TO PROVIDE IT TO THE TO HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ONLY, OR. I'M JUST CURIOUS THAT YEAH, WE COULD CHANGE WE COULD ADAPT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE AUDIENCE AND THE WAY THAT WITH THE MAYOR OF SAYING, I THINK THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS BROUGHT ABOUT A LOT OF THE OUTCOMES THAT WE WANT. I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT. UM WHERE IT HAS BEEN AFFECTED WHERE IT HAS BEEN USED AND SEE THAT IT HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY LOOK AT. WHAT OUTCOMES DO WE WANT OUTSIDE OF THAT HISTORIC AREA AND WHAT TOOLS AND HOW DO WE SHAPE THOSE TOOLS? UM TO GET THOSE OUTCOMES BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS AS A SUCCESS. BUT HOW DO WE? HOW DO WE APPLY IT AND GET THOSE SUCCESSES IN OTHER AREAS OR BETTER APPLY TO BECOME MORE EFFECTIVE AND APPLYING IT SO ABSOLUTELY, AND WE'RE STARTING TO WORK WITH HOUSING AND COMMUNITY SERVICES TO TRY TO WORK ON THAT AS WELL. SO RIGHT? THANK YOU SO MUCH AND AGAIN. I DIDN'T MEAN TO RUSH THAT. IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT BY THE GREAT JOB. THANK YOU, AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT WITH WHEN WE HAVE WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. OKAY, UM. WE[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
HAVE NOTHING LEFT THAT THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 55171 CONSULTATIONS WITH ATTORNEY ON ANY WORK SESSIONS, SPECIAL SESSION OR REGULAR SESSION AGENDA ITEM. REQUIRING CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE TO NECESSITATED BY THE DELIBERATION, DISCUSSION, SAID ITEMS PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS MCKINNEY I A F F. LOCAL 26 61 MEETING CONFIRMED RECENT ARTICLE FIVE MANAGEMENT RIGHTS.SECTION 12 EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1 2021 SPECIAL ELECTION FOR AT LARGE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER VACANCY IN SESSION. FIRE FIRE, BONNER 17 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT REAL PROPERTY MUNICIPAL FACILITIES. THIS IS. OH, CANCEL LIAISONS. CAN WE IS ANYONE THAT. NEEDS TO AT THIS TIME. I'M
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SORRY I MISSED THAT. BUT. THOMAS UHH JOURNEY EXECUTIVE SESSION. SOMETHING. WE'RE UH BAN SESSION, WHETHER SPECIAL SESSIONS, UM, MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOOT. THE SECOND. LIKE IT N* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.