[CALL TO ORDER]
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TODAY IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 7 2021. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE MY WIFE IS RETURNING AFTER BEING AWAY FOR A MONTH. IT IS 302 IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 2 22 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET. GREAT CITY OF MCKINNEY. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS . I DO NOT SHOW AN AREA IS THAT BECAUSE YOU AND HER FINALLY WORK THINGS OUT, AND SHE'S COMING BACK HOME. HE'S NOT GOING TO LEAVE. YOU TOTALLY SHIELD. THAT'S GOOD CARE OF THAT. YOU INJURED SON. OKAY IS THE ONLY REASON. THAT'S WHAT FACEBOOK SAID. THAT'S NOT ALL RIGHT. I AGREE. UM. SWEEP ON JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. I'M SHOWING.
WILL MOVE TO DISCUSSION. REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY ITEM? THAT COUNCIL MEMBER LIKE TO SPEAK TO STAFF ABOUT PRIOR TO OUR MEETING THIS EVENING? THEY'RE ALL HERE READY TO COME UP. I SEE MICHAEL QUINN BACK THERE. DOING GREAT. AND MIND. NOTHING. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON THEN. WE HAVE SEE. WAIT A MINUTE. I'M SORRY. UPDATE POTENTIAL PARKLAND DEDICATION
[Update on Potential Parkland Dedication Ordinance Modifications]
ORDINANCE MODIFICATIONS, MR KOWSKI. GOOD AFTERNOON, MICHAEL KOWSKI, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. SO WE VISITED A FEW MONTHS BACK ON THIS VERY TOPIC, AND WE COMMITTED TO COME BACK AND SPEAK ABOUT SOME OF THE OPTIONS AND RESPOND BACK TO SOME QUESTIONS. SO THIS IS THE ONLY SLIDE THAT MADE IT FROM MY FIRST PRESENTATION TO THIS PRESENTATION. AND REALLY JUST ANNOUNCES WHY WE'RE REVIEWING IT . AND AGAIN OUR INTENT OVERALL, WHICH IS TO MAINTAIN OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. TO RECAP. OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE REQUIRES ONE ACRE OF LAND FOR EACH 50 UNITS. DEVELOPER PUTS ON THE GROUND, SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI FAMILY.AND NO PART DEVELOPMENT FEE ARE STUDY RESULTS CAME BACK WITH ONE PER 37. AND ALSO A NEW PART DEVELOPMENT FEE IN ORDER AGAIN TO MAINTAIN OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE. WE ALSO TOUCHDOWN ZONES . WE HAVE FOUR EXISTING ZONES WHERE MONEY IS PARKED, THE STUDY SUGGESTED SEVEN TOTAL. THIS TABLE REALLY SUMMARIZES OUR OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD, AND OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO WALK AWAY WITH SOME DIRECTION ABOUT WHERE TO POINT THE NEEDLE FOR UPDATING THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE SO ON, UNPACK IT FOR US ABOVE THE RED LINE SUMMARIZES, BUT IT JUST SAID OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AND WHAT THE STUDY RESULTS SUGGESTED WE DO. SCENARIOS A THROUGH E WITHIN OUR POLICY DECISIONS. A REPRESENTS REALLY NO CHANGE AT ALL. SO WE ACCEPT THE MATH. THE STUDY RESULTS, BUT THEN WE APPLY DISCOUNTS AND REDUCTIONS TO HAVE REALLY NO IMPACT ON WHAT THE DEVELOPERS BUILD. FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT. SCENARIO B SUGGEST THAT WE GO AHEAD AND ADOPT THE PARKLAND DEDICATION PORTION, BUT AGAIN DISCOUNT THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE TO $0. AND RIGHT DOWN THE LINE HERE CD ANY COMBINATION OF THOSE SO AGAIN ADOPTING THE BROOKLYN DEDICATION AS WELL AS THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE. THAT NEGATIVE. 60% IS DISCOUNTING THE FEE FOR SINGLE FAMILY BY 60. WHILE RETAINING BASED UPON FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL LAST TIME. THE FULL RATE FOR MULTI FAMILY. AND 60% 40% AND SO ON. E IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT . THAT SUGGESTS THAT WE DO A STEP PLAN WHEREBY WE ADOPT. UM YOU'RE A YEAR WE ANNOUNCED TO DEVELOPERS HOW WELL DISCOUNTED 60% YOUR 1 40% TO 20% YOUR THREE AND SO ON. THE OTHER ONES ARE SUGGESTING THAT WILL LET THOSE SIT FOR THREE OR FIVE YEARS TO COME BACK AND REVISIT IT. BEFORE I MOVE ON FROM THIS SLIDE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE? HOW WOULD YOU APPLY THE GET THE MICROPHONE? HOW WOULD YOU APPLY THE RIGHT UM ON LIKE OUR NEW ZONING. CLASSIFICATION THAT'S LIKE FLEX MULTI FAMILY THAT'S LIKE A FOUR OR FIVE UNITS, OR WOULD THEY FALL UNDER A MULTI FAMILY? YES, SIR. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT LIKE A WHEN WE PLATT. A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT HAS.
ONE UM, FOR RENTAL PRODUCT. IS IT CONSIDERED A SINGLE FAMILY OR IS IT CONSIDERED? MULTI FAMILY.
I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT A SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT FAMILY UNITS. BUT THEY'RE PLANTED.
THERE'S ONE SO I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT NEW ANSWER BIT MORE. WE HAVE NOT THOUGHT THROUGH THAT SPECIFICALLY. BUT AS I SEE IT RIGHT NOW, IT PROBABLY SINGLE FAMILY UNIT. CAUSE IT WOULD MAKE IT. SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BECOME MORE OF A FACTOR. ARE WE MAKING THIS AS A FACTOR OF LAND USE
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WHERE WE'RE MAKING IT AS A FACTOR OF. HEIGHT THROUGH WE MAKING IT A FACTOR OF JUST. WHAT SOMEONE UP HERE IS DECIDED THAT THEY DON'T WANT UM SIDE. OUR STUDY RESULTS ARE BASED UPON ACTUAL UNITS. WHETHER UNIT IS 500 SQUARE FEET, 1000 SQUARE FEET. NOW THERE'S A NEW ONES, BUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES AND HOW THEY'RE DEFINED ON THAT FULLY OF THE SPEED ON THAT, BUT I CAN'T BE SOON ENOUGH. SO A SPECIFIC TO USE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD TRANSITION IN THE PARKLAND DEDICATION PORTION, WE ARE SUGGESTING SOME AUTOMATIC REDUCTIONS FROM THE PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENT. FOR MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. IN MY MIND THAT IS A COMMERCIAL OFFICE, FIRST FLOOR PRESIDENTIAL ABOVE GET 25% REDUCTION. SENIOR INDEPENDENT LIVING A 50% REDUCTION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING 50% REDUCTION. AND KEEP IT WITH OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE ASSISTED LIVING. SKILLED NURSING ETCETERA WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY ANY FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ORGANS. AND AGAIN WITH PART DEVELOPMENT FEES SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDED TO ADOPT FEES TO SOME EXTENT. WHEN A DEVELOPER BUILDS PARKS ON THE PROPERTY OR OTHER AMENITIES AGAIN. WE WANT TO REWARD THAT WORK. AND SO WE ARE OFFERING UP AGAIN. 50% DISCOUNT FOR SINGLE MULTI AND MIXED USE STRUCTURES. AND THEN OVERALL SENIOR, AFFORDABLE AND AGAIN ASSISTED LIVING, ETCETERA. I WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY ANY PART DEVELOPMENT FEES AT THIS TIME. WE GAVE ONE EXAMPLE HONEY CREEK PHASE ONE, WHICH IS NORTH BY FUTURE, HARD AND WEST OF TRINITY FALLS. THEY WERE DO $316,000 TO US FOR PART FEES. THEY PROVIDE SOME PARTS ON SITE AND GAME OF 50% CREDIT. SO IT'S A SIMPLE EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT WORKS TODAY. TO GO BACK, PLEASE. ON THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES. THE CREDIT. WHEN YOU'RE SAYING NOT REQUIRED ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE DON'T CHARGE THE FEE ON THE FOUR VIALS. CORRECT. WE WILL NOT CHARGE A FEE AT OFFER FOR. SO ONE QUESTION. IT CAME UP AT OUR LAST VISIT INVOLVED WHERE MONEY IS COMING FROM TODAY AND WHAT THE LOOKOUT IS OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS OR SO FOR FUTURE PROJECTS , SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE PLAYING TOTALS ABOUT $74 MILLION. HE'S NUMBERS ARE ROUNDED. WE HAVE ABOUT $31 MILLION IN BAND MONEY ACTIVE ON THE GROUND 21 MILLION OF EM. CDC 20 APARTMENT, DEDICATION AND GRANTS AND SO ON.SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT BUCKETS THAT WE PULLED FROM TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE PROJECTS. AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH OUR LIST OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME ON OUR RADAR SCREEN. THESE ARE FOLKS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED SOMETHING THAT REQUIRED US TO CALCULATE THEIR FEES FOR THEM.
21 PROJECTS MIX OF SINGLE MULTI FAMILIES NOTED HERE OVER 4000 UNITS. TODAY'S CURRENT CODE, ALL THOSE PROJECTS IN TOTAL. WOULD REQUIRE 85 ACRES OF PARKLAND BEING DEDICATED TO THE CITY PER EXISTING ORDINANCE TO PUT THAT INTEREST. SO WE TOOK THE DATA FROM THIS BOTTOM TABLE. AND APPLIED IT TO THAT BUSY TABLE HAS SHOWED A FEW SLIDES AGO. THE KEY ROLE HERE COLUMN I SHOULD SAY IS THE ONE DIFFERENCE WHEN THE FAR RIGHT. SO TAKING THOSE PROJECTS. WE KNOW THEY'RE COMING ONLINE IN NEXT 12 MONTHS, PLUS OR MINUS. EXISTING ORGANS WITH 85 ACRES OF PROGRAM FOR THE CITY. THE STUDY RESULTS WITH YIELD 109 ACRES OF PARKLAND, SO WE GO TO THE DIFFERENCE COLUMNIST PLUS 24 ACRES AND ALSO PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES. SO AT ABOUT $7 MILLION IN PART DEVELOPMENT FEES COMING BACK FOR US ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THE PARKS. AND THEN IF YOU FOLLOW DOWN SCENARIOS A THROUGH E, YOU KIND OF GET THE SAME RHYTHM. WITH THE AMOUNT OF PROGRAM BEING BROUGHT IN AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES PER OPTION ON HERE. SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS USEFUL TO SHOW YOU THAT. OR PROJECTED AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAT WOULD COME TO US FOR PARK CONSTRUCTION BASED UPON THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. SO. WE REPLACING THE DEVELOPMENT FEE WITH THE SO WE'RE GETTING ONE PERSON 37 TO EAT. WE STILL HAVE THE MONEY IN LIEU OF LAND. THE OPTION? YES, OKAY, THAT'S THAT'S IN ADDITION. TO CORRECT. SO WE ASSUME THAT 85 ACRES RIGHT NOW WOULD BE ALL PHYSICAL LAND WE TAKE IF EXISTING ORDINANCE SHOULD A DEVELOPER WISH TO GIVE US CASH IN THE WORLD FOR THEN. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT BE AT THIS POINT, SO THAT WE LEFT THAT. JUST AS LAND COMING IN NOT CALCULATE THE FEEL OF THE WEALTH. OKAY? NOT SURE SOME
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DEVELOPERS GIVE US A PORTION OF LAND AND PAY FUNERAL LOVE FOR SMALL ANOTHER PORTION, SO WE DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE IT BY GUESSING ABOUT HOW MUCH THE WORLD WOULD BRING IN. OKAY? AND I THOUGHT IT WAS PRUDENT TO SHOW AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WE DID RECENTLY. THIS IS PAINTED TREE. THIS IS NOT PART OF ANY NUMBERS I SHOWED BEFORE. SO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE FOR ALMOST 4000 UNITS DEVELOPMENT. THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PROVIDE TO US 78 ACRES OF PARKLAND. WE APPLY THE STUDIES. STUDY RESULTS, 105 ACRES AND PLUS $7.5 MILLION IN CASH. FOR EACH UNIT PARK DEVELOPMENT FEED. HERE'S WHAT OUR NEGOTIATIONS LANDED. ACTUALLY THEY GAVE US 250 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 2 30 P PURCHASED SO AGAINST 480 ACRES TOTAL WE RECEIVED FROM THEM. 107 OF THOSE ACRES QUALIFY FOR PARKLAND BECAUSE THERE ARE THE FLOODPLAIN AND OR DISCOUNTED SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN. PART DEVELOPMENT FEES. WE DID A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THEY CHOSE TO FUND ALBERT PARK'S DESIGNER WITH MY APPROVAL AND DESIGN, CONSTRUCT THEM AND MAINTAIN THEM FOREVER. ALL PUBLIC PARKS, PUBLIC TRAILS AND OTHER PRIVATE AMENITIES. AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS THEY WILL SPEND NO LESS THAN $10 MILLION TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING FROM ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE.THEIR HOPE. BRANDON MOTTO IS TO BE PAKISTAN TRICK AND TRAIL CENTRIC AS AN EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT. IT WAS ALMOST WHAT PARTIALLY IN THE T. J. THAT CAME INTO MCKINNEY. WE NEGOTIATE WITH THEM. THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD PARKS WITHIN THE FIRST COUPLE OF PHASES OF THE PROJECT, AND WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT RESOURCES TODAY. SO THIS IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL FOR DEVELOPERS TO WORK OUT THESE TYPES OF SCENARIOS. SO, MR MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. SO THIS IS THE POLICY DIRECTION THAT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT GETS SOME FEEDBACK ON. I THINK THE FIRST ONE I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. EITHER WAY ON THIS ONE. I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH SEVEN ZONES. FROM FOUR. IT MAKES DEVELOPERS MONEY PUTS DEVELOPERS MONEY OPERATION CLOSER TO THE PROJECT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. THE FI SCENARIOS. WHICH THOSE TABLES I CAN GO BACK TO COURSE. AND THEN OUR STRATEGY , AT LEAST FOR THE DISCOUNTS IN THE FI CREDITS. WE LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT MODEL. SO, MR MAYOR, I'M HOPING FOR ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS. MR KOWALSKI. COULD YOU PULL UP THE FEES SCENARIO BACK TO THIS ONE HERE. SO I'LL START. MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING HOUSING COSTS DOWN A LITTLE BIT. AND THIS IS NOT EXACTLY IT'S INCREASING SIGNIFICANTLY. THE PRICE FOR HOMES. UM NOT SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT IT IS INCREASING IT. OF. BUT THEN IT ALSO IS TO ME. IT'S ANOTHER STRIKE. ABOUT BRINGING. LAND INTO OUR CITY. WHY WOULD YOU AS A DEVELOPER? WHY WOULD YOU EVER THINK THAT I WOULD NEED TO BE A PART OF MCKINNEY. WHEN IF I IF I'M OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT GOING TO DEVELOP MY PROJECT IN THE DJ. I'VE JUST SAVED ALL THIS MONEY. UM AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M STRONG. I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS. THAT BALANCE. OF. FROM PEOPLE WHO. WANT TO BUILD IN MCKINNEY. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR PARKS AND THAT, BUT THAT'S MY STRUGGLE. THAT WOULD BE MY STRUGGLE TO IS THAT WE'RE BURDENING THE DEVELOPER WITH A LOT OF THESE CARS, JUST THE ONES THAT WANT TO DEVELOP IN MCKINNEY. AND JUST LIKE COUNCILMAN ROGERS SAID. WE'RE TRYING TO GET EASTERS AND LAND INTO THE CITY. BECAUSE THAT'S OUR TAX BASE. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LAND STILL SITTING OUT THERE. AND WE JUST KEEP ADDING ONTO THE COST. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN THE CITY. THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP OUTSIDE THE CITY. AND GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE STILL GOING TO USE OUR PARKS. BECAUSE THEY'RE OPEN. SO HOW DO WE COME TO SOME COMMON GROUND? I'M NOT OPPOSED TO INCREASING BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO SPREAD THE COST OUT.
BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE DOUBLING THE COST OF THE DEVELOPER. AND SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT ARE. LESS INVASIVE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO
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COME IN MCKINNEY. MY GORGEOUS WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT ON THE. BECAUSE IT REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, IN THE POST SP SIX WORLD WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO RELY ON COMPLETE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. UM. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? IN A CONCERN THAT. DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO THIS IS JUST YET ANOTHER REASON TO AVOID COMING INTO THE CITY. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT? LOOK A COUPLE OF POINTS FIRST AND FOREMOST, I THINK THE PENETRATE EXAMPLE. WE SHOULD NOT DIMINISH THAT EXAMPLE OR UNDERVALUE THAT EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW THEY WANTED TO COME INTO THE CITY. PORTION OF PROPERTY WASN'T T. J. SO I THINK THOSE ARE TOPIC DEVELOPMENT WE WANT MAKING THE GIRL ABOVE AND BEYOND. SECOND WE HAVE APART FEET TODAY. PART DEVELOPMENT FEE EXISTS. IT'S ON THE BOOKS. AND WE ALSO HAVE MANY OTHER IMPACT FEES. SO THIS IS JUST ONE OF A COLLECTION OF FEES THAT DEVELOPERS MUST PAIN AND I KNOW THAT OTHER IMPACT THESE ARE ADJUSTED AS MARKET CONDITIONS CHANGE, AND SO ON. IS COUNCIL TAKES ACTION. SO OURS HAVE NOT BEEN ADJUSTED FOR 20 YEARS. SO I WOULD SAY IN SOME RESPECTS, DEVELOPERS HAVE GOTTEN A BIT OF A DISCOUNT FOR MANY YEARS RELEVANT PAYING PROPORTIONATE SHARE, PERHAPS. DOESN'T SOFTEN THE BLOW BY ANY STRETCH AND ALSO THINK IN A PRIDE FACTOR HAVEN'T BEEN APART. CITY MCKINNEY MEANS SOMETHING. I THINK HAVING ACCESS TO OUR FACILITIES AND HAVE AN ACCESS AS MEMBER RATES, THAT'S IMPORTANT SELLING POINT. SISTER CITIES. DIDN'T DEAL WITH IT MUCH HERE. WHERE DO WE WHERE DO WE STAND? YEAH THAT QUESTION CAME UP LAST TIME FROM CUSTOMERS, FELTUS, AND SO I GAVE THE FRISCO EXAMPLE. LAST TIME I WALKED THROUGH THAT ARE COMPARABLE. AND YOU KNOW WE ARE BEING WE ARE LESS THAN THEM. BUT THESE SCENARIOS. BUT SAME KIND OF ACADEMIC STUDY DOWN FRISCO. SAME STUDY RESULTS FOR THE MOST PART THE OTHER CITIES ARE ALL DIFFERENT. SO ALAN RELIES HEAVILY AND CDC MONEY SO THEY'RE AT ONE ACRE PER 100 UNITS. PLANO HAS SHIFTED AWAY FROM PARKLAND. DEDICATION GOT MORE TOURISTS FEES BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THE LAND THEY NEED AT THIS POINT. SO IT DEPENDS ON THE EVOLUTION OF EACH CITY. IN MY SENSE, MCKINNEY WILL EVENTUALLY EVOLVE FROM THIS GREIG GROWTH. WE HAVE TO GET THIS STUFF ON THE GROUND. AS WE GET MORE BUILT OUT PROGRAM MEDICATION BECOMES LESS IMPORTANT OVERALL, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE LAND. SO I HAVE THE UNFAVORABLE TASK THAT THERE'S A PERIOD OF OUR GROWTH TO MAKE SURE RESOURCES ACTUALLY BUILDS UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. CAN I GO TO BUILD WITH THE PACE OF GROWTH, PERIOD FULL STOP. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. THE CITIES THAT ARE MORE LIKE US. PLANO WOULD BE A GREAT ONE AS YOU POINT OUT TO DISCOUNT BECAUSE THEY'RE FULLY BUILT OUT, RIGHT? IN A QUESTION PROSPER WHERE'S PROSPER, WHEREAS SELENA. YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THOSE MEMORIES. MR MAYOR, I COULD GET THAT TO THE COUNCIL. QUESTIONS. THE OTHER OPTION. UM SO IF WE DON'T ADOPT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEN. THE ABILITY TO BUILD THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BUILD AND SUPPORT THE PARKS GOES DOWN. CORRECT. DOESN'T GO DOWN THE PACE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP UP. WE'LL ALWAYS BE BEHIND. SO WE GET THE LAND, BUT THEN WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE LAND . THAT'S IT. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SITUATIONS WHERE THE DEVELOPER GIVES US 10 ACRE PACKETS OF PARKS. AND THEN WE MUST HAVE THOSE SIT THERE FOR 5 TO 10 YEARS BEFORE GET CASH ACTUALLY BUILD ON THOSE PARKS, SO HOUSES ARE BUILT AROUND THEM. DEVELOPERS ANNOUNCED TO THE BUYERS THAT PARK WOULD BE THERE. AND THEN THE BURNING COMES ON US TO FIND THE MONEY TO BUILD IT, SO THAT'S HAPPENING QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT PLACES. SO IF WE IF WE BASICALLY SAID OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THE 11 50 THE EXISTING ORDINANCE AND, UH, BASICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT THE ONLY WAY WE DO. THIS IS WE ACCEPT HALF IN CASH AND HALF INLAND. GET US ANY CLOSER.POTENTIALLY, UM I'M NOT RUN THAO LOOK AT THAT A BIT DEEPER BEFORE I SPOKE TO. I THINK THAT I WOULD BE WELL, NO, I MEAN, I DON'T MIND. CHARGING THE DEVELOPERS THE FEE IF OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM. I THINK WE NEED TO STEP INTO IT A LITTLE BIT SLOWER THAN ALL 7 $800, WHICH HOW MANY. HOUSES IN AN ACRE AND ALSO NEED TO INCREASE THE COST, YOU KNOW.
$2500 OR. $3500 FOR YOU KNOW, PER ACRE. UM. SO I'M I WOULD BE IN FAVOR JUST KIND OF MAYBE
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DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TIPPING, DIPPING OUR TOE INTO IT SLOWLY BEFORE JUST JUMPING IN AND CLAPPING HIM WITH AN $800 PER HOUSE. I GUESS ONE OF YOUR SCENARIOS KIND OF TRIED TO DO THAT, TO SOME EXTENT THAT YOU WERE STAIR STEPPING. CORRECT THAT'S YOUR E AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE INTENT THERE, I GUESS OR RESPECT, SO WE ANNOUNCED TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT EACH YEAR WE'RE GOING TO STEP IT OR IT COULD BE EVERY TWO YEARS. WE STEP IT. SORT OF CLARITY. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR PARTNERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT THERE'S VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING NEXT YEAR YEAR AFTER.IS THE OTHER PROBLEM IS RIGHT NOW, JUST THE COST OF BUILDING ANYTHING. IS THROUGH THE ROOF WE WOULD HAVE NEVER DREAMED A YEAR AGO WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS. THAT THE HOUSE WOULD COST BASICALLY, 30 MORE 30% MORE TO BUILD AND THEN YOU KNOW WE HAD THIS THAT'S THAT'S WHAT.
YOU'RE SAYING WHAT I SHOULD BE SAYING, SO MY COSTS ARE GOING UP THE SAME PROPORTION. IT'S INCREDIBLE. IN FACT, OUR NUMBERS ARE STUDY OR BASED ON LAST YEAR'S CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR FUN. WE RAN THE NUMBERS FOR THIS YEAR, THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD BE MUCH HIGHER. THE $1900 AND $1600 BECAUSE OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE UP. THERE'S NO WAY GOING TO GO BACK ON THOSE NUMBERS TO SPEAK, BUT YEAH, IT'S ROUGH, SO. TO ACTUALLY DELIVER IN NEIGHBORHOOD PARK COSTUME 2.5 AND $3 MILLION. AND RIGHT NOW ARE ONLY GUARANTEED FUNDING IS $5.5 MILLION A YEAR FROM CDC THAT'S GUARANTEED GRANT MONEY FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. APARTMENT EDUCATION MONEY FLOWS SOME YEARS AGO. 800 GRAND FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. SOME YEARS $4 MILLION SOME YEARS FIVE. SO THERE'S A NEW GUARANTEED MONEY AS WELL. SO IT'S INTERESTING TO LOOK AT ALLEN'S BUDGET AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THEY PUT IN UNDER PARKLAND PARKLANDS LIKE 38. OF THEIR BUDGET. YES. THEY MADE A COMMITMENT MANY YEARS AGO TO FOCUS ON PARKLAND AS BEING THIS KIND OF SPIRIT OF WHERE THEY WENT AHEAD WITH THEIR BUDGET. SO THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT MCKINNEY COULD DO IS INCREASE THE TAX RATE. GIVE IT ALL THE PARKS. SPOKEN LIKE SOMEBODY HAD THE SECOND TERM.
THAT'S RIGHT. I'M A NO ON THAT. SPOKEN LIKE SOMEONE CAMPAIGN FOR THE RECORD. I DIDN'T SAY THAT AT ALL. NO I'M NOT FOR THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S JUST ONE OPTION. SO YOU NEED DIRECTION FROM US. WE HAVE SOME SOME TEXT WRITTEN UP THAT PUSHES INTO ORDINANCE FORUM. AND I NEED TO PLUG IN SOME NUMBERS. AT SOME POINT. THIS HAS BEEN OVER A YEAR JOURNEY. AND WE HAVE TO GET OFF POINT. AT SOME MOMENT. BECAUSE WOULD THERE BE ANY MERIT? WELL FIRST, LET ME ASK YOU YOUR OPINION ON SCENARIO E, WHERE THERE IS A STAIR STEP. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, SPEAK CANDIDLY ABOUT IS THAT UP THERE BECAUSE YOU NEED TO PUT SOMETHING THAT'S SOFTER, BUT IT WOULD REALLY DOESN'T HELP YOU, IS IT. SPEAK CANDIDLY. WHAT YOU WE TRUST YOU IMPLICITLY IN THIS CITY AND PARK JOURNEY, SO THAT IS OUR ACTUAL PREFERRED OPTION. AND STEP. I THINK THAT ANNOUNCES TO THE PUBLIC. WHAT WE'RE DOING . IT TAKES STRESS OFF CITY COUNCIL EVERY YEAR TIME COME BACK AND REVISIT IT. WE'RE SAYING NEXT 45 YEARS. HERE'S YOUR PLAN TO GRADUATE INTO THIS.
AFTER FIVE YEARS WE'VE COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND NEW NUMBERS AND SAY, DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT AGAIN OR KEEP THE NUMBERS AS THEY ARE? WE INTERACT WITH DEVELOPERS CONSTANTLY ON THIS TOPIC, AND IT'S ALWAYS A FRIENDLY BATTLE. RIGHT, AND SO. THE MORE CLARITY WE HAVE. WHAT'S HAPPENING? 18 MONTHS HELPS US OUT MAKES EASIER FOR THEM WERE ALSO ADVOCATING THAT WE CAN GET DEVELOPERS POTENTIAL OPTION HERE WHERE YOU KNOW IF. VISITOR GROUP DECISION, OF COURSE, IS IT EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST OF NEXT NEXT YEAR TO GIVE DEVELOPERS TIME TO ADJUST. BUT EVERY DEVELOPER HAS A CURRENT PROJECT IN THE HOPPER. AND THIS THIS PLANET WORKS MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THEM. PERHAPS THEY CAN USE THIS MODEL THAT CAN KIND OF PICK OR CHOOSE. IT'S A LEGAL QUESTION. I'M SPITBALLING HERE. MICHAEL WAS GOING TO ASK YOU AND I MEAN. UHH TAKEN UP. TAKE TIME TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU ANSWER. AND IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER, DON'T. IF A SUGGESTION WAS MADE TO STAIR STEP THAT BUT VERSUS EVERY YEAR IT STAIR STEPPED. IT WAS 22 23 AT 60% 24 25 40% 26 27. IT WAS TWO YEARS. WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOU? AND IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT NOW, PLEASE DON'T PREPARE FOR THAT QUESTION. SO I SUPPORT THAT IF THAT MEANS SOMETHING, HOWEVER,
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I'D ALSO PUT A CAVEAT THAT AFTER TWO OR THREE YEARS WE REVISIT THE CONVERSATION AGAIN. YEAH BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANT TO GO 60 YEARS WITHOUT REVISITING. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT SCENARIO E IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. I GOT TO GO WITH. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I WOULD EVER VOTE FOR WOULD BE C AND THEN VISIT THAT YEAR TO YEAR AND LET EACH COUNCIL YOU KNOW. MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. I THINK THAT GOING, E. JUST JUST JACKS UP THE COST OF AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MM. I MEAN, IF THIS BUILDING MATERIAL. SCENARIO CONTINUES TO GO UP. THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE LESS AND LESS INCENTIVE TO EVER BUILD IN MCKINNEY, FRANKLY, UM AND I THINK I PUT IT ON THE CITY COUNCIL EACH YEAR. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. IT'S SAFE THERE. WE WANT TO RAISE IT OR WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE. AND. SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF. IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE. I WOULD I WOULD GO IN A LITTLE BIT SLOWER AND DO IT. 60 OR 75% TYPE OF THING TO AT LEAST. GET HIM OUT. AND THEN I WOULD DO THE SCENARIO OF OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR. WITH THE OPTION OF. DOING IT, HOWEVER WRIST EARLIER IF IT WORKS, THE FEET PUT IT IN THE FEE SCHEDULE. HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO. YES THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE LIKE YOUR CANDID RESPONSE TO THAT. BEEN DECIDED. IT HELPS. SO IT WILL HELP IT WILL MOVE THE NEEDLE AND GET OUR VISION ON THE GROUND FASTER. NO. BUT CERTAINLY HELP WILL HAVE TO BACKFILL WITH MONEY AND WE'RE BUYING MONEY. WHICH OF COURSE, IS A POSSIBILITY. BUT AGAIN FROM DAY ONE. WE'VE SAID FROM THE START THAT A LOT OF OUR JOURNEY HERE IS BASED UPON POPULATION COMING TO MCKINNEY AND THE STRESSES ARE PUTTING IN OUR PARK SYSTEM IN A GOOD WAY. AND I THINK FROM MY SEAT AT LEAST AS IMPORTANT THAT DEVELOPERS AND NEW HOME BUYERS TO SOME DEGREE HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME. I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBERS AGAIN. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME BUT SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT PROSPEROUS. SELENA MELISSA ANNA PRINCETON BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU. IF WE ARE STILL COMING UNDER THEM IN THE AMOUNT THAT WE ARE CHARGING THESE DEVELOPERS IN PARK DEVELOPMENT. JEEZ I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE DETERRING ANY DEVELOPERS ANY FURTHER, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBERS ONE MORE TIME BEFORE. MAKE A FINAL DECISION, BUT I'M ACTUALLY GOOD WITH SCENARIO AS WELL. HAS BEEN FELT OKAY VIA MEMO, OR YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND PRESENT THEM. I WAS FINE WITH THE WHOLE CANCER. I WOULD THINK IF YOU WOULD SHARE WITH THE WHOLE COUNCIL AND IF WE COULD GIVE MEMO AND IF WE COULD. PUT THIS ON THE VERY NEXT NOT TO DELAY IT , INCIDENTALLY. BUT MAYBE WE GIVE YOU THAT DIRECTION AND THE VERY NEXT MEETING BECAUSE TOO BOTH POINTS. YOU KNOW, UM, RANGES POINT. I IMAGINE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND AS A DEVELOPER INTIMATELY UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK BOTH OF OUR POSITION WOULD BE DIFFERENT. IF WE REVISIT WE LOOK AT THOSE GROWTH COMMUNITIES ALL THE WAY AROUND US. AND THEY ARE ALSO HERE. THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY PROBABLY A DIFFERENT VIEW THAN IF THEY'RE HERE AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOINGGO FOR HERE. WOULD YOU AGREE? SO CAN WE DO THAT? AND I THINK, LET'S SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT. WHO ARE WHO ARE COMPETITION IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, AND THAT WOULD IN MY MIND WOULD BE. ALAN ANNA, WESTERN, PROSPEROUS ALANA, PROBABLY MORE OPPRESSIVE. BEST.BARCELONA UNDERSTOOD FRISCO EVET I THINK. BASED ON THE COMMENTS. I THINK THAT IT MAY NOT BE A.
THE RIGHT OUTCOME YOU'RE HOPING FOR IT MIGHT BE BETTER IF WE LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS ONE MORE TIME. APPRECIATE IT GOOD. IS THAT RIGHT WITH EVERYONE? THANK YOU, MICHEL. GOOD. THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNLESS WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATES. WE HAVE A TAKE MEETING. WE COULD I DON'T WE HOLD ANY LIAISON UPDATES TO THE REGULAR MEETING.
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IF THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF JOINT MEETINGS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER SECTION 55171 CONSULTATIONS WITH THE TURNING ON ANY WORK SESSION.SPECIAL SESSION JOINT SESSION REGULAR SESSION REQUIRING CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE. NECESSITATED BY THE DELIBERATION OR DISCUSSIONS SAID ITEMS 55171 PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION. VICKI BAKER VERSUS CITY OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS. CIVIL ACTION FOR 21 CV 00176 EASTERN DISTRICT. TEXAS SWAB BUILDING COMPANY L T. D. N K. SCHWAB STEEL SERVICES LTD'S
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VERSUS CITY OF MCKINNEY, FOUR 29TH. 14 29TH DISTRICT COURT, COLLIN COUNTY TEXAS CASE AND 49 1286 TO 0 TO ONE SECTION 55172 DELIBERATIONS ABOUT REAL PROPERTY MUNICIPAL FACILITIES IN SECTION 55187 DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MATTERS, TYPES BREWERY AND PROJECT BLUE SKY. AND THERE WILL BE ACTION. BELIEVE, RIGHT? WILL BE* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.