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DECEMBER 21ST 2021, IT IS 31 IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 2 22 NORTH
[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]
TENNESSEE STREET CITY, MCKINNEY. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS. I DO NOT HAVE. A GRANITE HAS OPENED YET. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY? THAT KID OVER THERE IN THE WHITE BUDDY, YOU WANT. YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY HUNTER. OKAY I THINK I THINK ABOUT ELECTION MAYBE AND BETH BENTLEY. CHIPPER. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE TODAY. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE A COMMENT ABOUT THE THROCKMORTON STREET, UM, NAMING ITEMS. AS I WAS LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION, IT LOOKS ALMOST LIKE IT COULD BE CONSIDERED A TIE LIKE THERE'S REALLY NOT A WIN, NECESSARILY ON THE OTHER SIDE. OF THE DISCUSSION, AND SO IN LOOKING AT THAT I KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT HOW. WE WHEN WE LOOK AT VOTES, YOU KNOW THERE'S A YOU GO OVER THE 50. TO GET THE WINNER AND YOU MAKE SOMETIMES YOU KNOW TO HAVE A RUNOFF. OTHERWISE YOU JUST GO WITH THAT WINTER AND. SOMETIMES THAT LANDS US IN A PLACE WHERE. NO ONE REALLY FEELS LIKE THEIR VOICE WAS NECESSARILY HEARD. OR UM, THEY MAY FEEL LIKE. YOU KNOW, ONE SIDE IS GOING TO GET THE FULL WIND VERSUS THE OTHER SO. AND LOOKING AT THAT. I JUST WANTED TO OFFER AN OPTION AS YOU ALL DELIBERATE ABOUT WHAT TO DO NEXT, AND THAT OPTION WOULD BE. NOW ALLOW THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESPONDED, AND EVEN THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO RESPOND, BUT WOULD HAVE LIKED TO AND DIDN'T FOR WHATEVER REASON ALLOWED THEM TO MAYBE NOW COME TOGETHER TO FINISH OUT THE PROCESS. SO YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE, THEY SAID WHAT THEY HAVE SAID. AND INSTEAD OF. JUST LANDING HERE AT A COUNCIL SEAT. BRING THOSE FOLKS TOGETHER AND ALLOW THEM TO FINISH OUT HAVING THAT DISCUSSION AND MAYBE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU IN THE ROOM SO THEY CAN HEAR EACH OTHER'S SIDE. MAYBE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OPTIONS AS TO POTENTIAL NAME FOR THE REMAININT OPTIONS TO SEE IF MAYBE THE STREET COULD HAVE A DUAL NAME. MAYBE IT COULD BE MORE IN PLACE AND DOUGHTY. WAIT. YOU KNOW WHATEVER IT IS. UM MAYBE JUST CONSIDER ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE DON'T THOUGHT MORTON ACTUALLY. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. UM ALL OF MY LIFE I'VE ONLY KNOWN MORE THAN TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH EAST MCKINNEY. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S MEANT. I'VE NEVER, EVER RARELY HEARD SOMEONE SAY THROCKMORTON. OH, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT MORNING, OKAY? IT'S TWO BLOCKS EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE, TURNED OFF VIRGINIA. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. AND SO THAT BEING SAID IT HAS BELONGED TO HOLY FAMILY SCHOOL. IT HAS BELONGED TO ES DUTY. IT HAS BELONGED TO THE EAST SIDE. AND SO WHILE IT'S GREAT TO INCLUDE THOSE THAT ARE LAMA STREET, IT REALLY BELONGS TO THE COMMUNITY AND SO TO MAYBE JUST CONTINUE TO HEAR. WHAT ELSE MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE SAID. I'D JUST LIKE TO OFFER THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY AS YOU DELIBERATE.OKAY THANK YOU. AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY SEASON. THANK YOU. GENTLEMAN IN THE FRONT ROW LIKE TO SPEAK. WHO WOULD LIKE TO SOMEBODY TO VOTE FOR THE UPCOMING THIS. ALL RIGHT . GIVE HIM A CHANCE. DISCUSS REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF? OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. SEEN NONE. AND WE'LL MOVE TO OUR WORK
[Report on FY21 Strategic Objectives Results]
SESSION ITEMS. 21 1140 REPORT ON THE FISCAL YEAR 21 STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE RESULTS. GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR COUNCIL MR GRIMES. STEPHEN SMITH, PERFORMANCE MANAGER FOR THE CITY. I'M HERE TO REPORT HOW STAFFED IT ON. AND THEIR SUPPORT OF YOUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FOR THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR. SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS FROM THREE PERSPECTIVES. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT FIRST, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WERE. DEVELOPED BY STAFF AND ADOPTED BY. COUNSEL FOR THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS FROM STAFF THROUGHOUT THE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, THAT STAFF. DID FOR EFFICIENCY INTO[00:05:06]
SAFE STAFF HOURS. THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE LOCAL, STATE AND NATIONAL RECOGNITION THAT STAFF HAS RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I THINK THIS PAINTS A MORE HOLISTIC PICTURE OF THE PERFORMANCE. THROUGHOUT THE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DATA. I WANT TO REVIEW THE ANNUAL CYCLE FOR THIS PROCESS. EVERY FEBRUARY. COUNCIL SETS THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FOR THE STAFF. IN THE CITY. THE FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR THAT STARTS IN OCTOBER. IN THE SPRING STAFF DEVELOPS STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES IN SUPPORT OF THOSE PRIORITIES. IN MAY. THOSE OBJECTIVES ARE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.AND THEN IN DECEMBER. MM STAFF REPORTS ON THE PROGRESS FROM THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS WHAT I'M DOING TODAY. SO FOR FY 21, WE ESTABLISHED 185 DEPARTMENT LEVEL OBJECTIVES TO SUPPORT YOUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. UM, AND OF THOSE 185 15 THERE WERE 15, WHERE STAFF FELL SHORT. THERE ARE THESE FOUR, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE STAFF BECAME OR WAS INCREDIBLY CLOSE.
THE ADDITIONAL 11 WERE. PROJECT BASED OBJECTIVES. SOME EXAMPLES ARE THE AIRPORT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS OF WHERE. SOME MATERIAL DELAYS, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OBJECTIVES HERE FROM CODE SERVICES WHO HAD MAJOR STAFFING CHANGES. AND THES WHERE STAFF MISS CAN BE FOUND IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL. ATTACHMENT ON THE AGENDA. AND OF THE 185 DEPARTMENT LEVEL OBJECTIVES. 170 WERE MET 100% COMPLETED BY STAFF. SO TO SHIFT FROM THE METRICS. I WANT TO REPORT ON HOW THE CITY HAS BEEN HEAVILY FOCUSED ON PROCESS IMPROVEMENT OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS. THE GRADUATES OF THE INTERNAL INNOVATION ACADEMY FOR THE CITY HAVE SAVED IN FY 21 SAVED THOUSANDS OF HOURS OVER DOZENS OF PROJECTS. THESE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES. WE HAVE BRENDA ROMERO FROM PUBLIC WORKS. NICOTINE DID HE STEAL FROM ENGINEERING? LISA LATRELL, PURCHASING TERRIBLE VISUAL OF BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND THESE ARE JUST A HANDFUL OF THE MANY, MANY PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM THIS IS YOU KNOW, THESE THESE PROJECTS SHOW A COMMITMENT TO OUR. EFFICIENCY AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY GATING. REALLY PUSHING TOWARDS OUR CORE VALUES OF RESPECT AND SERVICE AND INTEGRITY. SO. FOR THE FINAL PIECE. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE RECOGNITION FOR FROM STAFF THROUGHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR. AS YOU KNOW, PARKS AND RECREATION HAS DONE SOME CUTTING EDGE WORK FOR THE CITY. UM HERE . THEY'RE PICTURED RECEIVING SEVERAL AWARDS FROM THE TEXAS RECREATION AND PARKS SOCIETY. OUR FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT OR AWARDED WITH MANY AWARDS FROM DIFFERENT AGENCIES. EVERYTHING FROM. SETTING WORLD RECORDS TO HEROISM AND LIFESAVING TWO OUTSTANDING 911 SERVICE TO BEING APPOINTED TO GOVERNORS ADVISORY COMMITTEES. ALSO PICTURED HERE IS RICK HERSHBERGER, R. CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL WHO PASSED AWAY THIS LAST THIS LAST YEAR. HE WAS AWARDED THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL TRAILBLAZER OF THE YEAR AWARD. UM IN. IN HONOR OF HIS COMMITMENT TO TEACHING. MM TO BRIDGING GENERATIONS AND MENTORING. UM. MAYOR FULLER. I KNOW THAT YOU PERSONALLY WROTE IN SUPPORT OF RICK HAS, DID YOU, MR GRIMES? I KNOW THAT REALLY MEANT A LOT TO HIS FAMILY AND A BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND TO EVERYONE HERE IN THE CITY. I'M SO THANK YOU. YEAH AND THESE ARE JUST AGAIN. A SMALL EXAMPLE OF SMALL HANDFUL OF THE AWARDS. THE STAFFERS. RECEIVED AGAIN AND THIS SHOWS A COMMITMENT FROM STAFF. TO OUR CORE VALUES ARE RISE CORE VALUES. SO THIS WAS,
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YOU KNOW, THE HOLISTIC LOOK. FOR THE PERFORMANCE IN THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR. UM AGAIN, I WILL MENTION THAT ALL THE OBJECTIVES THAT WERE MISSED, UM, ALL THE KEY PROCESS IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AS WELL AS THE AWARDS ARE CAN BE FOUND IN YOURSELF A LITTLE LINE ATTACHMENT. YOU KNOW, AS PERFORMANCE MANAGER ON BEHALF OF CITY MANAGER AND STAFF, YOU KNOW, WILL CONTINUE TO BE AMBITIOUS AND. SUPPORT OF YOUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES GOING FORWARD, AND WITH THAT, I WILL STAND FOR QUESTION. SESSIONS. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THE CLARIFICATION THAT TIME FRAME THAT WE'RE EVALUATING IS THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT JUST ENDED? SO THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS IS YOU WILL ESTABLISH FOR THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEARS. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WHEN THE BUDGET WELL IN ADVANCE OF THE BUDGET PROCESS IN FEBRUARY EARLY FEBRUARY, THE COUNCIL HAVE ITS GOAL SETTING MEETING. WHERE YOU SET YOUR BROAD GOALS, AND THEN WE GO BACK AND STAFF AND PUT SOME DETAIL TO EACH OF THOSE GOALS AND THOSE DETAILS ARE IDENTIFIED THROUGH MEASURABLE OBJECTIVES. AND THEN WE COME BACK TO YOU. AND YOU ADOPT THOSE IN EARLY MAY TYPICALLY. THAT THEN INFORMS US AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS AND WE PREPARE A BUDGET PRESENTED BUDGET TO YOU, AND YOU HAVE ADOPTED BUDGET THAT GOES INTO EFFECT OCTOBER ONE. THAT IS THE TIMEFRAME WHEN THE PERFORMANCE. GOALS ALSO START AND WHAT THE THING WITH PERFORMANCE MEASURES AS THEY USUALLY OVERLAP, RIGHT? THERE'S USUALLY IT'S USUALLY OVER A COUPLE YEARS AND SO THERE IS SOME OVERLAP. BUT THIS IS THE REPORTING PERIOD THAT JUST ENDED WITH THE LAST FISCAL YEAR JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT. 211141 UPDATE[Update on Potential Parkland Dedication Ordinance Modifications]
ON POTENTIAL PARKLAND. DEDICATION ORDINANCE MODIFICATIONS, MR CASKEY. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. MERRY CHRISTMAS, OF COURSE. WE ARE BACK. SO WHERE DID WE LEAVE OFF THE CONVERSATION? BASICALLY THE DIRECTION TO STAFF WAS TO INVESTIGATE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. AND BRING THOSE NUMBERS BACK. LUCKILY MR GRANT ALLOWED US TO COME BACK VERY QUICKLY TO THIS BOOK SESSION, SO WE'VE ADDED THAT SLIDE TO THIS PRESENTATION. FOR THE HISTORICAL RECORD, THOUGH I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT AND WHAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, OF COURSE. FIRST OF ALL, WHY ARE WE REVIEWING OUR PARKS? DEDICATION ORDINANCE. ITEMS ARE LISTED HERE . GOOD ONE TO FOCUS ON. IT'S BEEN ABOUT 20 YEARS SINCE WE'VE LOOKED AT IT. SO IT'S BEEN SOME TIME WITH THE CURRENT ONE. AND OF COURSE, OUR CURRENT METHODOLOGY IS LACKING. SOME NEEDED BACKUP. ABOUT HOW WE ARRIVED AT OUR CURRENT CURRENT FORMULAS THAT WE USE. AND THE SECOND PIECE IN THIS SLIDE IS OUR INTENT. INTENT IS NOT TO DO ANYTHING BUT MAINTAIN OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH THIS ORDINANCE.IT'S ALSO TO ADOPT THE METHODOLOGY. AND THAT'S THE KEY TAKEAWAY. WE'RE HOPING FOR TODAY TO AGREE WITH THE MATH. AND THEN WE CAN ADD A POLICY OVER LATE TO THAT MEET WITH YOUR NEEDS.
OVERALL. SO JUST TO RECAP WHERE WE LEFT IT. CURRENT ORDINANCE REQUIRES ONE ACRE OF LAND FOR EACH 50 UNITS PUT ON THE GROUND , EITHER APARTMENTS OR SINGLE FAMILY OR SOME FORM OF MULTI FAMILY. OUR STUDY RESULTS INDICATE THAT WE SHOULD BE REQUIRING ONE PER 37 ALSO PARK DEVELOPMENT FEE THAT WILL HELP ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THE PARKS ONCE WE HAVE THE LAND. THIS STUDY WAS ARRIVED AT THIRD PARTY EXPERT DR CRAMPTON WHO MET WITH US BEFORE AS A GROUP, SO HE CAME AT IT FROM AN OBJECTIVE PERSPECTIVE, OF COURSE. THE BOTTOM HALF OF THIS SLIDE SHOWS CHANGE PROPOSED TO THE NUMBER OF ZONES FROM 4 TO 7. AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS APPROACH. WHAT THIS DOES. THIS ALLOWS MONEY THAT HE DEVELOPER DEVELOPMENT GIVES TO THE CITY TO BE ACTIVATED CLOSER TO THAT PROJECT. SMALLER ZONES. MONEY'S WORKING CLOSER TO YOUR PROJECT.
THIS WAS THE RATHER ROBUST TABLE . WE WALKED THROUGH MANY TIMES, DIFFERENT SCENARIOS A, B, C, D AND E TO HELP GUIDE CONVERSATION. GET IT GOING. BUT I'M GOING TO JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH I THINK IT'S THE CRUX OF THE MATTER HERE. THE TOP TWO ROWS INDICATE, OF COURSE, THE EXISTING IN THE STUDY RESULTS. WHAT FOLLOWS REPRESENTS WHAT OUR NEIGHBORING AND HER SISTER CITIES ARE DOING. YOU'LL SEE THAT AT PRESENT WE ARE UNDER 50 WITH ZERO PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES AND WRITE DOWN THE LINE. ASIDE FROM WESTERN EACH CITY CHARGES, SOME SORT OF PART DEVELOPMENT FEE FOR PROJECT. YOU ALSO SEE IN THE LAST COLUMN THAT MANY CITIES ARE GOING THROUGH THE SAME JOURNEY THAT WE ARE ON RIGHT NOW. AN IMPACT, IN FACT OF CLOTHES THAT JOURNEY AND ADOPTING NEW CODES IN THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS. AND A, FOR INSTANCE, IN 2020, FRISCO IN
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2018 AND PLAYING ON 2019. A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS HERE WORTH POINTING OUT. FRISCO. DID THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH THEIR COUNSEL. THEY CAME BACK WITH STUDY RESULTS THAT SHOWED FOR SINGLE FAMILY THEY SHOULD BE COLLECTING ABOUT $2800 PER UNIT. AND FOR MULTI FAMILY JUST OVER 1700 HER COUNSEL VERY MUCH AS WE'RE ASKING HERE, ADOPTED A POLICY TO REDUCE THOSE FEES TO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MAIN COLUMNS. IN PLANO, THEY ACTUALLY INCREASED THEIR FEES BY MORE THAN FOURFOLD IN 2019. I TOUCHED ON HIS LAST TIME. PLANO IS NOT VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH ACQUIRING OF LAND AT THIS POINT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE RELATIVELY BUILT OUT. IN THE MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT FOR PARKS THAT DO IDENTIFY A FEW AREAS WHERE LAND IS NEEDED TO MAKE CONNECTIONS AND SO ON. BUT BY AND LARGE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PARK LAND. THEIR FEES WERE IN THE $500 RANGE. $300 RANGE AND TODAY THEY SAID THAT AS YOU SEE HERE, 2000 AND $1400, RESPECTIVELY. PROSPER IS KIND OF IN OUR WHEELHOUSE AND ONE PER 35. SO ON WESTERN HAD A VERY UNIQUE CALCULATION BASED. THEY LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL NEW GROWTH AND NEW POPULATION BROUGHT BY DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN FOR EACH PERSON. THE DEVELOPER WAS REQUIRED TO OFFSET 220 SQUARE FEET OF PARKLAND IN THE PARK SYSTEM. ADD THAT TO THE PARK SYSTEM. AND NO PART DEVELOPMENT FEE. SO I'D LIKE TO PAUSE IN THIS SLIDE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OBSERVATIONS THAT WE WANT TO UNPACK AT THIS POINT. CALL IF YOU WOULD JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES FOR PEOPLE LOOKING AT THIS THAT MEN HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE FULL DISCUSSION LAST TIME. WHEN THEY SEE STUDY RESULTS 27 69 17 54 AND THEN TH. COULD YOU AGAIN EXPLAINED THAT DEDUCTION AND WHAT RIGHT? SO VERY MUCH LIKE WE'RE DOING. WE CAME UP WITH AN EQUATION THAT SHOWS WHAT THE BURDEN AND OR IMPACT THE UNIT HAS IN OUR PARKS SYSTEM. PRESCRIBED IN THE SAME THING. THEY ACCEPTED THOSE NUMBERS. THEY ADOPTED THOSE NUMBERS ORDINANCE. BUT THEN THE COUNCIL ADOPTED A POLICY WHEREBY THEY REDUCED THOSE FEES BY A FLAT DISCOUNT RATE. FOR INDEFINITELY UNTIL WE VISITED AGAIN BY CITY COUNCIL. THAT ISN'T THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T REFLECTIVE OF THAT. THE NUMBERS AND UNDER SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI FAMILY. THOSE ARE THE ONES IN OPERATION TODAY, THERE ARE IN EFFECT. THE $2800 NUMBER IS NOT IN EFFECT. BUT THEY DID DOCUMENT THAT IN THE ORDINANCES BEING THE MATH. AND THEN THEY APPLY THE DISCOUNT TO THAT TO ARRIVE AT THE 16, 61 AND 1052. THE NUMBERS REPRESENTED ABOVE FOUR MCKINNEY . THOSE ARE STUDY RESULTS NOT NOT REFLECTING THE DISCOUNT. CORRECT IN FACT, MR MAYOR WAS GONNA GO BACK TO THE SLIDE AND, IN FACT, THE KIND OF SHOW WHAT DISCOUNTS COULD LOOK LIKE. AGAIN THESE NUMBERS ARE BASICALLY FOR CONVERSATION PURPOSES TO SEE IF ANY OF THESE RESONATE WITH YOU MOVING FORWARD. FOR INSTANCE, STARTING AT SNOOZE SCENARIO D. SEE I APOLOGIZE. WE DO ADOPT THE PARK DEVELOPMENT FEED PROPERTY 60% DISCOUNT FOR SINGLE FAMILY. AND THEN PER CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL MOTOR FAMILY WOULD NOT GET THE SAME DISCOUNT. THIS TIME THEY WOULD PAY THE FULL STUDY AMOUNT. AND THEN WRITE DOWN THE LINE WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS AS YOU GO ALONG. AND AS WE TALKED TONIGHT, MY HOPE IS THAT.THROUGH OUR CONVERSATION. WE CAN GET SOME DIRECTION OF STAFF OF IF ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS SHOULD BE EXPLORED FURTHER. BECAUSE WE NEED TO WRITE UP THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE AND GET BETTER FRONT OF YOU FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR. AND WHAT WE CAN DO. IN FACT, WE CAN WRITE OFF THE ORDINANCE WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN THE TEXT THAT YOU CAN ADOPT THE EMOTION. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING OFFICIALLY TODAY. I LOVE TICKETS AND FEEDBACK. IF ANY OF THESE ARE DEFINITELY NO GOES. IF SOME ARE WORTH EXPLORING. MY GEAR PREFERENCE AGAIN. BEING VERY CANDID WOULD BE WHAT. WELL AS STAFF SCENARIO, E WE BELIEVE IS A FAIR WAY TO APPROACH THIS TOPIC. WE'RE BY RE START OFF WITH IS SMALLER OR LARGER DISCOUNT. AND GRADUATE UP OR STEP UP. TO SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE FULL STUDY AMOUNT. NOW THE PERCENTAGES THERE AGAIN FOR CONVERSATION PURPOSES. WE CAN MODIFY THOSE AND ADJUST THOSE AT YOUR DISCRETION. WE SPOKE LAST TIME, MR MAYOR, THAT IF WE DID SOMETHING WHERE THE STEP WAS EVERY TWO YEARS. THEN I WOULD ADVOCATE A STAFF. WE COME AT THE COUNCIL A BIT QUICKER, MAYBE FIVE YEARS, MAYBE EVERY THREE YEARS TO REVISIT THE NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING PACE. AND TO BE CLEAR ON THIS
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CHART. THE 16 31 IN THE MULTI FAMILY COLUMN, WHICH REFLECTS ON DISCOUNTS BECAUSE YOU'RE PROPOSING NO DISCOUNT. BASED ON CONVERSATIONS COUNCIL. THE DIRECTION WAS NOT TO DISCOUNT THAT AT THIS TIME. THE SHOW THAT NUMBER. BUT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE A STATIC NUMBER BASED ON THE STUDY RESULTS. YES SIR. AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE. THIS COUNTY, BUT STAIR STEPPED UP NEVER QUITE REACHING THE STUDY AMOUNT, BUT. AMOUNT THAT APPEARS TO BE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE NEXT SLIDE. ULTIMATE $1600, WHICH WOULD BE. US TO KNOW WHICH ONE WERE. YOU WERE SORRY. THIS ON PART. PRETTY MUCH WITH ANNA SELENA FRISCO. PROSPER. CORRECT EVERYBODY BUT FIRST. ELLEN'S, THEY PUT THEIR PARKS IN THEIR BUDGET. DIFFERENT. YEAH. HUGE PART, RELY LARGELY UNDER CDC MONEY. CDC WHEN YOU BROTHER, CBC MONEY THAT COMES IN THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKS AS WELL. THERE ANY COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT OUR NEED REALLY, FOR THAT MIDDLE HOUSING MARKET. ARE THERE ANY CITIES THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE TO DRESS? YOU KNOW, THE NOT NECESSARILY SINGLE FAMILY, BUT NOT THE. YOU KNOW, MORE DENSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES LIKE THE TOWN HOMES OR THE DUPLEXES OR QUAD FLEXES OR WHATEVER. YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.TRYING TO GET TO THAT POINT, AND DR CRAMPTON'S DOING MORE RESEARCH THAT EFFECT. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THAT MATCHES WHAT WE NEED HERE IN MCKINNEY. HOWEVER AS A POLICY DISCUSSION, WE CAN ALSO ADOPT STRAIGHT MY DISCOUNTS. IN ADDITION TO THE FIRST DISCOUNT TO CERTAIN USES, SUCH AS MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, THOSE BEING A TYPE OF COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL ABOVE CAN RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL DISCOUNT, AS CAN SENIOR. AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME OTHER. SUBCATEGORIES IF YOU WILL. THAT ADDRESS THAT MIDDLE MIDDLE HOUSING GAP. COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. OH COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE LOGIC OF. PAYING LAST BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN MULTI FAMILY , THEN SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT. IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, I THINK WE HAVE IT REVERSED SO. THE MULTI FAMILY WOULD BE AT 16 31 WOULD BE A HIGHER RATE. THEN LIKE YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE. SO MAYBE THIS ADDRESS ANNA AND PROSPER HAVE ELECTED THROUGH THEIR METHODOLOGIES, WHICH AREN'T TRANSPARENT. SO I CAN'T TELL HOW THEY GOT THESE POINTS. THEY'RE ACTUALLY CHARGING MORE FOR MULTI FAMILY THAN SINGLE FAMILY AT THIS TIME. I WAS LOOKING AT THE MCKINNEY STUDY RESULTS. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S LAST FROM MULTI FAMILY THEIR FIRST SINGLE FAMILY. CORRECT SO HOW THAT WORKS OUT IS APPLIED A MULTIPLIER TO THE ACTUAL MAIN NUMBER. SO FOR SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S 110% OF THE NUMBER AND FOR MULTIPLE 90% OF THE NUMBER. AND THAT'S BASED UPON OUR EXPERTS. METHODOLOGY ABOUT HOW WE ACTUALLY BREAK UP. MULTI FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY. SO SINGLE FAMILY DOES PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE THEY TEND TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT LARGER IMPACT ON OUR PARK SYSTEM. WHY WOULD THAT BE A COMBINATION OF THINGS HERE. MCKINNEY THE SINGLE FAMILY TEND TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN. AND SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT PARKS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE IT'S ALSO SPORTS COMPLEXES AND THE BALL FIELDS AND SO ON. SO IN THAT SENSE, THE SINGLE FAMILY DOES HAVE THAT SLIGHT INCREASE OVER MULTI FAMILY. NO CURRENT METHODOLOGY THAT ONLY USES LAND USE. MM HMM. WE WE HAVE AN INFIELD SINGLE FAMILY PLAY A LOT MORE. AND I'M MULTI FAMILY OR A DENSE UNIT. IS THAT CORRECT? SO RIGHT NOW, WITH THE WONDER WONDER 50 SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI FAMILY ADDRESS, SAME MOUTHS. IF YOU CAN GET 20 UNITS AND MULTI FAMILY AND SIX IN A SINGLE FAMILY. THEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE CALCULATING IT ON AN ACRE OF LAND, HER UNIT THAT'S CORRECT AND TO BE FULLY FAIR TO QUESTION QUITE OFTEN, THE NUMBER OF ACRES REQUIRE FOR A MULTI FAMILY. THE ECONOMIC FIT THE NUMBER ACRES ON THEIR LAND THEY OWN SO THEY HAD TO DO WITH, UM, THAT WE USED TO BUILD PARKS IN THE AREA, RIGHT?
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SO GOOD TO NINE PAGE NINE. IF YOU WOULDN'T. TELL ME WHEN IT STOPS HER. I DON'T KNOW. THESE AREN'T NUMBERED HERE. I THINK THAT'S BETTER. OKAY SO THIS SHOWS ARE YOU TRYING TO SHOW JUST KIND OF A BALLPARK OF. BASED ON LAST YEAR'S OR THIS LAST YEAR'S NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.UNITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE LOOKED AT THE BOOKS AND THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, POTENTIALLY WE CAN HAVE LOOKING FORWARD 4200 NEW UNITS. JOINT PLANNING PROCESS AND THEN COMING THROUGH OUR DESKS TO BE ASSIGNED APARTMENT FEE. 21 PROJECTS 13 SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI FAMILY. THE DETAILS ARE ALL HERE. I TOOK THAT NUMBER AND PUT IT INTO THE EQUATIONS HERE TO KIND OF SHOW.
SO MY MESSAGE HERE IS THAT FOR INSTANCE. WITH THE FULL STUDY RESULTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY 2000 UNITS COMING ONLINE WITH YIELD AN ADDITIONAL $3.7 MILLION TO PARKS AND RECREATION AND THAT WOULD BUILD ONE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. SO THE MONEY MONEY WE'RE BRINGING IN IS NOT TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WERE TRYING TO RAISE THE BAR IS SUPER HIGH. FROM MY SEAT. ONE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK FOR 2000 UNITS SEEMS A BIT LIGHT. SO THAT'S THE MAINTAINER LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO THIS EXERCISE WAS TO SHOW YOU THE POTENTIAL DOLLARS WE COULD BRING IN TO HELP DEVELOP OUR PARK SYSTEM. BASED BANK EACH SCENARIR MAYOR, ANY OF THESE ARE NO GO THAT WE SHOULD NOT EXPLORER OR OR SHOULD WE. WRITE UP A COUPLE DIFFERENT VERSIONS FOR FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR AND COME BACK.
BEEN MICHAEL IMPRINT ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION HERE. I FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY GONNA TELL ME WHEN IT WOULD BE LIKE AND YOU YOU LIKE E. IS WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND OR BELIEVE EVENT, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK I THINK OPTION E IS TRANSPARENT. IT HELPS DEVELOPERS UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. UM YES. YOU BELIEVE IT GIVES THEM A RUNWAY TO RUNWAY PARENTS AND CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK IT'S FAIR. BEEN LOOKING AT NOW YOU GIVE US A REVIEW OF THE OTHER CITIES. WHAT WE ASKED YOU TO DO LAST TIME YOU COME BACK WITH YOU CAME BACK WITH WHAT WE ASKED.
THINK HE IS THE RUNWAY. SO ACTUALLY, I THINK I LIKE YOU, BUT I'D LIKE TO MODIFY IT TO 50% THE FIRST YEAR. MM. AND THE SECOND YEAR AND THEN THE THIRD YEAR 30% AND 30% AND THEN FOUR YEARS EVALUATE WHERE YOU WANT TO GO FROM THERE, SO YOU KIND OF LET'S KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR FOUR YEARS. AND THEN LET THE NEXT YOU KNOW THAT THAT CITY COUNCIL FIGURE OUT OKAY. IT'S JUST. DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT 30% DISCOUNT OR WE WANT TO FACE IT INTO 100. 50 30 30 50 50 30 30. UM KIND OF GETS YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART THAT.
AFTER SEEING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING. I MEAN, NO WONDER MULTI FAMILY HOUSES ARE COMING TO MCKINNEY BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER TO DO IT HERE IN MCKINNEY, THEN EVERY ALL OVER SISTER CITIES. SO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS? HE JUST GAVE YOU. THAT SOUNDS VERY FAIR. YEAH, WE COULD PENCIL THAT OUT. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PARTNERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING , HOW TO PLAN FOR IT, AND I THINK THAT APPROACH DEFINITELY HELPS. AND MIKE BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER. THAT DIRECTION THAT THIS IS THE DIRECTION GIVEN AND WOULD STILL ALLOW YOU TIME TO PENCIL THAT OUT AND YOU COULD COME BACK AND YOU MIGHT BE MAKING THE CASE TO US THAT MEN THAT REALLY CUTS US SHORT. WOULD YOU CONSIDER. GOING TO 20 AND YEAR OR WHATEVER, OR YOU'LL KNOW THAT IT SUFFICES. RIGHT AND THAT AND YOU'RE THE WAY YOU SAID THAT WE'D RIGHT. YOU JUST NEED DIRECTION ENOUGH TO GET THE ORDINANCE. STARTED IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN ONCE YOU PENCIL OUT, YOU COULD. HE FELT WE WERE GIVING YOU GUIDANCE THAT WAS NOT GOING TO ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVE. YOU'D BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN MAKE ANOTHER DECISION TO EITHER STICK OR MOVE. YES YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT DIRECTION AND START WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND WE APPRECIATE IT VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AT HIM, 21 114 TO DISCUSS DATA OBTAINED. THROUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
[Discuss Data Obtained through Public Engagement Efforts on the Renaming of Throckmorton Street and Throckmorton Place]
EFFORTS ON THE REMAINING RENAMING OF THROCKMORTON STREET AND THROUGHOUT CORN PLACE. THE SPORTS STRONG. NO. THE BEST DRAW. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL ROBIN[00:30:09]
RUTH AND I ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE RESULTS FROM THE THROCKMORTON STREET AND PLACE, RENAMING SURVEY. SO IF YOU REMEMBER WAY BACK TO JUNE PRESENTED THIS ITEM COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO BEGIN SOME ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF WHAT. THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY THERE THOUGHT ABOUT RENAMING THE STREET. WE CONCLUDED THOSE EFFORTS LATE FALL OF 2021. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. SO THIS SLIDE PROBABLY LOOKS FAMILIAR. IT'S THE SAME SLIDE WE SHOWED IN JUNE. IT JUST GIVES YOU A VISUAL OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTIES AND THROCKMORTON STREET IN PLACE. WE HAVE TO HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT SITES. 36 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES 27 COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SO WHAT DO WE DO? TYPICALLY IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE WOULD SIMPLY SEND OUT A LETTER AND ASK FOR FEEDBACK ON A COMMENT CARD. THE RESULTS FROM THAT ARE OFTEN NOT VERY ROBUST. SO AS WE DISCUSSED IN JUNE, WE WENT TO SEVERAL STEPS BEYOND THAT, IN ORDER TO REACH OUT TO THE FOLKS WHO LIVE AND ON PROPERTY IN THIS AREA. SO WE DID DO OUR TRADITIONAL MAILING THAT MAILING INCLUDED INFORMATION IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH. IT WAS SENT TO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER ON THE STREET AS WELL AS EVERY TENANT. THAT MEANS IF YOU RENTED YOU ALSO RECEIVED A LETTER. YOU COULD PROVIDE RESPONSE VIA IN WRITING A COMMENT CARD. YOU COULD DO IT ONLINE. YOU CAN CALL US YOU CAN EMAIL US. WE WOULD TAKE THE INFORMATION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. WE COULD GET IT.WE DID RECEIVE SOMEWHAT OF A DECENT PERCENTAGE RESPONSE RATE FROM THAT, BUT IT REALLY WASN'T WE WANTED TO GIVE A COUPLE COUPLE OF BITES AT THE APPLE. SO WE UTILIZED OUR LIAISON GROUP.
TO DO A DOOR DROP. SO WE DID THE LETTER AGAIN AND THEY DID A DOOR DROP DOOR TO DOOR. WE ALSO UTILIZE SEVERAL CONTACTS FROM COUNCILMAN BELLA. A PHONE NUMBERS WHERE WE REACHED OUT WE CALLED FOLKS. SO WE TRIED VERY HARD TO GET THE WORD OUT. UM AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE YIELDED A 44% RESPONSE RATE FROM ALL OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS. STAKEHOLDERS ARE DEFINED AS SOMEONE WHO OWNS A PROPERTY. OWNS A BUSINESS IS A TENANT OF THE PROPERTY. SO WHETHER YOU LIVE THERE, WHETHER YOU OWN PROPERTY OR CONSIDERED A STAKEHOLDER. SOMETHING A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE WORTH NOTING , AND BETH BENTLEY MENTIONED IT EARLIER. INDEPENDENT THE RESULTS CAN LOOK VERY DIFFERENT, DEPENDING ON WHAT BUCKET OF RESPONSES YOU'RE LOOKING AT. TODAY ROBIN IS GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAILS OF RESPONSES FROM OUR HOMEOWNERS. THOSE ARE THE FOLKS WHO OWN PROPERTY AND LIVE ON THE STREET AS WELL AS OUR PROPERTY OWNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS. SO GENERALLY, I'M GIVEN THE RESPONSE RATE WE HAD IN THE RESPONSES. THE DATA WAS A LITTLE BIT INCONCLUSIVE, MEANING IT DIDN'T PROVIDE A REALLY COMPELLING CASE ACROSS THE BOARD. FOR ONE OPTION OR ANOTHER GETS A LITTLE MUDDY IN THE MIDDLE. UM WHEN SEPARATED, THE RESULTS ACTUALLY DIFFER BETWEEN THROCKMORTON STREET AND PLACE AS WELL. AND SOMETHING THAT'S VERY INTERESTING TO NOTE IS THAT. OF OUR 44% RESPONDENTS. THEY WERE ALL PROPERTY OWNERS. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE FROM A TENANT WHO RENTS EITHER A BUSINESS OR HOME ON THROCKMORTON STREET. OR PLACE, SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ROBIN TO GO INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL AS ON OUR WEBSITE . THE FULL RESULTS ARE PROVIDED IN SPREADSHEET FORM, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL CHARTS THAT BREAKDOWN STREET IN PLACE IN SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS. WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON PROPERTY OWNERS, STAKEHOLDERS AND HOMEOWNERS FOR THIS PRESENTATION. TAKE IT. THERE WE GO. AS CONVENTION. WE HAD 44% THAT WAS 42 OF THE 95 RESPONDED.
TO OUR ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, AND THAT ENDED UP 44% AND 56 THAT WE DID NOT HEAR. HOW IT BROKE OUT, TOO. OF 32 WERE POSITIVE THAT THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE NAME CHANGE. 10 WERE OPPOSED. AND OF COURSE, WE STILL HAVE 53. DID NOT. DID NOT RESPOND. OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT WE DON'T DEEPER INTO THE DATA AND NOTICED THAT, UM. THAT MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY.
MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY OWNER ARE MORE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT ONE PROPERTY OWNER GETS ONE VOTE. IT BREAKS DOWN TO THAT 16 PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONDED TO 16 OWNED THOSE 42.
PROPERTIES THAT RESPONDED. AND SO IT DIVIDED UP INTO SEVEN WERE IN FAVOR, AND, UM NINE WERE
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OPPOSED. AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE FURTHER ABOUT TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT OWNER OCCUPIED.THERE ARE 16 OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES ON THROCKMORTON STREET. THERE ARE NONE ON THROCKMORTON PLACE AT ALL. THOSE ARE ALL RENTAL PROPERTIES. AND OF THE 16. WE ONLY HAD SIX RESPOND. AND SO WE HAD SIX RESPOND AND THEN 10 DID NOT. AND THEN WE HAD ONE IN SUPPORT. AND THEN 54 OPPOSED THAT THAT DO DOES RESIDE ON. THROCKMORTON STREET. SO THE OWNER CAN YOU GO BACK THAT SORT OF OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES? 6% SUPPORT CHANGING THE NAME AND 31% DO NOT. THE NEXT SLIDE, ACTUALLY, 17% IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THOSE IN WHAT THEY RESPONDED, 17% ARE POSITIVE 83% OF THOSE THAT RESPONDED OR AGAINST BUT YES, LAWSUIT. BUT YOU HAD 63% THAT DID NOT RESPOND. AND THAT'S WHERE WE LEAD. WE DO HAVE SOME SUPPORTING AS KIM LED THE WEEK. YOU KNOW I CAN DIVE INTO ANY. I AM AN ENGINEER. I CAN GO INTO NUMBERS ALL DAY LONG. SO WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, AND IF YOU WANT TO GO ANY DEEPER INTO ANYTHING, I WOULD BE HAPPY. TO GO INTO IT AND TALK WITH IT THROUGH YOU. SO MY QUESTION IS, I KIND OF WANT TO REFER BACK TO WHAT BETH SAID BEFORE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INCONCLUSIVE DATA. WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? HOW DO WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY? BETTER SO THAT WE CAN GET A BETTER RESPONSE? BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ESPECIALLY THROCKMORTON. UM PLACES. NOT THAT LARGE IS AARON EFFORT MAYBE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PERSON. GO AND KNOCK ON THIS DOOR, MAYBE HAVE A COMMUNITY FORUM OR SOMETHING TO DRAW THAT COMMUNITY AND BETTER SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE OF AN INPUT FROM THOSE HOLES. WE DID HAVE WE DID ENGAGE THEM IS KNOCKING ON THE DOOR. UM AND NOT EVERYBODY RESPONDED. I KNOW AS A FEMALE I TEND NOT TO ANSWER THE DOOR. IF MY HUSBAND IS NOT HOME, SO I DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES WHETHER EVERYBODY CAME TO THE DOOR OR NOT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY REALLY DID. THEY WENT DOOR TO DOOR TO EVERYBODY TO TRY TO GET THAT ENGAGEMENT. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING.
COLLECTIVELY AS TRYING TO BRING TOGETHER MAYBE IT WEB ELEMENTARY . IT'S CLOSE BY TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THERE TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT MORE. I KNOW THAT A 44% IS IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT 100. BUT IN JUST AS A EXAMPLE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WE USUALLY GET ABOUT 15% SO THE FACT THAT OUR ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS DID. ENGAGE 44. I WAS ACTUALLY PLEASED THAT I WAS LIKE, GOSH, THE WEEK WE DID GET A LOT EVEN THOUGH I WOULD REALLY WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE. 56% THAT DID NOT RESPOND, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAYBE OF TRYING TO. GET PEOPLE TOGETHER. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS, UM TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, I THINK WE ARE SEEKING COUNSEL DIRECTION, SO WHETHER THAT DIRECTION IS CONTINUE ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, WHETHER THE DIRECTION IS DO NOTHING AT THIS TIME, WHETHER. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TODAY AND THE ENGAGEMENT SIDE. ROBIN IS RIGHT. THE 44% RATE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY ROBUST FOR THIS TYPE OF STUDY. WE YOU KNOW WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. BUT WE ALSO CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO RESPOND. UM YOU KNOW WHEN THEY DON'T WANT TO. WE ALSO HAVE WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING JANUARY 20TH, SO WE COULD CERTAINLY UTILIZE THAT MEETING TO SEE IF. WE CAN ONE HAVE PEOPLE COME OR IF WE BUMP INTO SOMEONE WHO LIVES ON THROCKMORTON STREET OR PLACE LIKE WE CAN. WE CAN CONTINUE THE ENGAGEMENT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET. FROM 44 TO 100. I THINK WE'D PROBABLY END UP 44 TO 50 TO 44 TO 61 WORTH IT. YEAH AND YOU SO BUT IF THAT'S COUNCIL DIRECTION, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO DOWN THAT ROAD. I JUST DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE 100. RESPONSE AND THIS ONE YET, SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO A COUPLE SLIDES TO THE BEGINNING? WHEN WE'RE TALKING 95 PEOPLE. IN THE RESPONSE RATE. WE'RE IDENTIFYING THAT, AS STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDE BUSINESSES, INSTITUTION PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ANY POTENTIAL TENANTS. THEN THE NON RESPONSE TO 53 THAT DIDN'T RESPOND. HOW MANY OF THAT IS PROPERTY OWNERS? HOW MANY OF THAT IS TENANTS? THERE ARE 30
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TENANTS THAT ARE ON AND SO THERE'S 65 PROPERTIES AND. 100% OF THE TENANTS DIDN'T ANSWER RIGHT. SO WE KNOW THAT. BUT IF YOU HAVE THE TENANTS ANSWER, YOU KIND OF HAVE A DUPLICATION BECAUSE, LIKE ON THROCKMORTON PLACE. THERE'S 11 ADDRESSES BUT ONLY TO PROPERTY OWNERS. AND SO YOU THEORETICALLY HAVE. SOME OVERLAP IF YOU HAVE BOTH THE OWNERS AND THE. IF WE HAD THE TENANTS, THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT PIE CHART. UM TENANT DATA. IS IT IN THAT DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANY TENANTS, SO THERE WE WOULD HAVE THE CHARTS WOULD HAVE LOOKED DIFFERENTLY IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD TENANT RESPONSE. AND I GUESS IF WE'RE IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON PROPERTY OWNERS. THEN YOU'VE GOT A. UM WHAT PERCENT OF PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONDED. THE PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONDED, UM. SET ON THE SUPPLEMENT. IT'S ALMOST SUPPLEMENTAL. JOSH, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SUPPLEMENTAL SLIDES THAT WE'RE IN? SO OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THERE'S 65 PROPERTIES, AND SO, UM, WE RECEIVED 65. IF YOU EXCLUDE YOUR TENANTS HAVE YOUR RESPONSE. RIGHT? YOU HAVE 65% OF THOSE RESPONDED. 35% DID NOT SO 23 OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. OF THE AND THIS IS THIS ONE IS PROPERTIES. YEAH THIS IS ALL PROPERTIES BECAUSE THAT COULD BE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL. BUT BE ANYTHING. IT'S JUST THAT IT COULD ALSO BE SO THIS IS BY PROPERTY AND SOME PEOPLE ON FIVE PROPERTIES RIGHT SO THIS CHART COULD LOOK DIFFERENT IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT. JUST BY ONEROUS.THIS IS IF YOU KNOW, BECAUSE. BECAUSE IT'S JUST OWNERS. YOU HAVE 37 PROPERTY. SEPARATE OWNERS THAT OWNED 65 PROPERTIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE DON'T OWN MULTIPLE. SO IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THAT THAT'S HOW IT DIVIDES US. THAT YOU HAD 16 OF THOSE RESPONDED IN 21 OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DID NOT. I THINK THE TWO RESPONDENTS ON 11 PROPERTIES ON THROCKMORTON PLACE I MEAN, IT'S THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND ONE OTHER PROPERTY ON OUR OWN PROPERTY, AND THAT PROPERTY OWNER ACTUALLY OWNS PROPERTY ON THE LOT ALONG THROCKMORTON. YEAH. MIGHT TAKE WOULD BE TO TRY TO GO BACK AND. GET SOME ROAR RESPONSE FROM THE COMMUNITY. I AGREE WITH MRS BENTLEY. THAT IT'S MORE OF A. IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE THAN JUST THE STAKEHOLDERS ON THROCKMORTON. AND IF I WERE IF I WERE STAKEHOLDER ON THROCKMORTON AND SOMEBODY CAME TO ME AND GIRLS. AND I DIDN'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION WOULD PROBABLY SAY I WAS AGAINST IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING MY ADDRESS CHANGED AND THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR SO LONG. THAT. YOU'D HAVE TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT'S EVER SINCE YOU ANYTHING. YOU KNOW? YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE ADDRESS. WHETHER IT'S DIFFICULT OR NOT. THE PERCEPTION IS IT WILL BE. SO I'D MUCH RATHER REACH OUT TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE HE'S RIGHT.
THE AH! THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AT ONE TIME TOLD US THAT THIS WAS IMPORTANT. TO THEM TO CHANGE THE NAME. SO THAT WOULD BE MY TAKE ON. I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. I THINK THERE WAS A. HANDFUL THAT CAN I THINK 90% OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE HAVE NO IDEA WHO THROCKMORTON IS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET HAVE NO IDEA WITH ROCK. MARTIN IS. MAYBE MAYBE WE FOUND OUT IF WE REACH OUT TO ME. WHAT? WHAT? YOU WHAT? THIS. REALLY SHOWS IS THAT IT'S A NON REALLY ISSUE FOR THE PEOPLE ON THROCKMORTON. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S TO ME WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT. I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO SAID YES, GO AHEAD AND CHANGE IT. BUT FOR THE MAJORITY, WHO EITHER DIDN'T ANSWER WON'T ANSWER OR DID ANSWER. WHO SAID? NO, I DON'T. I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAJORITY. THAT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RESPONDENTS FOR THIS STREET, THE MAJORITY. IT IS A MAJORITY WHEN PEOPLE SAY WHEN PEOPLE WON'T ANSWER WON'T WON'T WON'T RESPOND. THAT'S A RESPONSE . MOST PEOPLE MOST EVERY SURVEY
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SAYS THAT THAT'S A NO. THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING. I DON'T THINK THE CLASSIFY THAT AS A NON RESPONSE LIKE WE HAVE HERE . I DON'T POINT OUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S ON CHOICE . I THINK IT GOES ON A NON RESPONSE RESPONSE COULD BE BECAUSE. YOU KNOW THEY THEY DIDN'T GET THE MAIL THEY DIDN'T GET. I DIDN'T GET THE KNOCK AT THE DOOR. INTERESTED WE COULD BE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A NON RESPONSE. IS THAT WHAT I THINK WHAT WE WHAT WE WILL WE COME TO THE. YOU KNOW, TO ME, IT'S IN CONCLUSION IS IT'S NOT A BIG I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THROCKMORTON. ARE REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN CHANGING HIM. THAT'S WHAT YOU. HUM. YOU GUYS WOULD WENT DOOR TO DOOR. YOU SENT MAIL. SOMEBODY RIGHT? THERE WAS A TWO ATTEMPTS THREE ATTEMPTS. WHAT WAS ONE ATTEMPT ON MALE ON MALE MALE. THERE WAS UM, THERE WAS A DOOR TO DOOR. UM I PERSONALLY CALLED PEOPLE THAT HAVE PHONE NUMBERS AND I ALSO ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS ACTUALLY HAD PREPARED AN EMAIL THAT I HAD SENT TO MCKINNEY HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT HELPED AT LEAST FOR THEIR TENANTS THEMSELVES TO BE ABLE TO GET SINCE THEY WERE 16. OF THOSE. MY POINT BEING THERE WAS A VALID ATTEMPT WAS FOUR TIMES AND IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WHEN I THINK THAT HIS POINT. TO COUNCILMAN ROGERS POINT. THE TEMP WAS THERE. THE RESPONSE WAS, WE DON'T CARE. THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T RESPOND, AND I KNOW IT'S JUST NO RESPONSE, BUT THERE WERE NOTIFIED. AND SO THAT'S I THINK THE POINT THAT COUNSELOR ROGERS IS TRYING TO MAKE THEM JUST SAYING YOU DON'T YOU KNOW, LIKE I COULD SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T RESPOND SO THEY DIDN'T OBJECT TO THE CHANGE. AND SO THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. I KNOW, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST WANT TO MANUFACTURE SOMETHING. NO, NO , I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT IS.JUST LEAVE IT AS A NON RESPONSE. WELL AND WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK QUESTION HOW MANY CITIES IN THE METROPLEX HAVE THE STREET NAME THROCKMORTON. DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS. I KNOW THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS IN THE METROPLEX THAT HAVE THROCKMORTON STREET AFTER GOVERNOR THROCKMORTON. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CITY WITH THE STREET, THROCKMORTON. WE NOT COUNTY OR CITY COUNTY, AND THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY GOING INTO THIS RIGHT NOW. NO, THAT'S THAT'S MY THING IS. KEEP SPENDING MONEY AFTER MONEY TO DO WHAT YOU'VE GOT. 76% OF PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED, WHO'S CHANGING? I MEAN, AND IT CAME OUT OF SOMETHING THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING. AT SOME POINT, SO I DON'T THINK THAT DOING IT ISN'T AN INVALID. I DON'T THINK CONTINUING TO DO IT WAS INVALID. AND I THINK THAT UM. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHY WHY IT CAME UP WITH THIS YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN OPPORTUNITY TO CITY HAS WITH UM MOVING CITY HALL IN THE EAST SIDE. AND KIND OF. ALLOWING THE ASSAD TO REMEMBER WHAT'S SO SPECIAL ABOUT IT, AND WHAT'S MORE SPECIAL THAN THE ROAD THAT GOES DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT, AND I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE IDENTITY ON THAT. UM AND YOU'VE GOT. 76% OF PEOPLE WHO SAID WE DON'T LIKE THE IDENTITY WE HAVE. AND SO I THINK IT'S WORTH. UM CONTINUING ON WITH. I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT AND I THINK WHEN YOU. PUT SOME ALTERNATIVES UP THERE THAT SAYS, HEY, WE COULD NAME THIS. YOU KNOW, DOUGHTY DOUGHTY STREET OR SOMETHING THAT THAT RESONATES WITH THE HISTORY OF EAST MCKINNEY. UM, RESONATES WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HOW SPENT 150 YEARS. IN THIS PLACE THAN IT'S VALID TO KEEP GOING. I'M KIND OF CONFUSED WHERE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR NUMBERS FROM. THE STAKEHOLDER SLIDE, SO. GO BACK TO TALK ABOUT. I BELIEVE THIS ONE ALL STAKEHOLDERS. NO I THINK THE 76% THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS THIS ONE. IS THAT CORRECT OVER RESPONDENTS, RESPONDENTS RECEIVED ONE VOTE OR. UM PROPERTY. SO IN THIS CASE, IF YOU OWNED SIX PROPERTIES, YOU GET SIX VOTES. SO THIS IS ANOTHER NUANCE OF THE DATA, WHETHER YOU WANT TO APPLY. IF SOMEONE HAS MORE PROBLEMS THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SKEWED. THEY'RE ALL SKEWED. THAT'S THE THING. I MEAN , IT'S RIDICULOUS TO SAY 76. RESPOND. IT WAS NOT 76 RESPONDENTS. NO, NO, NO, I SAID.
IT EXCLUDES THE NON RESPONSES AND ACCOUNTS FOR 95 POTENTIAL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 95 POTENTIAL STAKEHOLDERS. IT INCLUDES THE UM. ONES THAT HAPPEN WHAT IS IN THAT JUST FOR
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EDIFICATION PURPOSES, IF YOU KNOW THIS WITHOUT MY QUESTION IS GOING TO BE WHAT IS THE LARGEST UM, STAKEHOLDER. IN THIS, IN OTHER WORDS OF THE 32 IS THERE ONE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THAT CAST 20 OF THOSE VOTES? MCKINNEY HOUSING AUTHORITY? GUINEA HOUSING AUTHORITY CAST 16 OF 16 . NONE OF THEIR TENANTS HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT. IT'S SO WHO, SO IT'S AN EMPLOYEE OF MCKINNEY.WHO CAST THAT DON'T MAKE ANY HOUSING THE HOUSING AUTHORITY'S NOT CITY OF MCKINNEY. THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITIES. WE DID NOT HEAR FROM ANY OF THE TENANTS FROM MAKENI HOUSING AUTHORITY.
AND ALSO ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES. I'VE THROCKMORTON PLACE. SO OF THE AND AGAIN I'M NOT TRYING TO GET ARGUMENT. EITHER WAY. I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION FOR PEOPLE. IT'S COMPLICATED UNDERSTANDING SO OF THE OF THE 32. HALF OF THEM WERE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND OF THE OTHER 16 WAS THERE ANY LARGE PROPERTY OWNER THAT ACCOUNTED FOR A NUMBER OF THOSE VOTES? YES THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNED BELIEVE. CROWN THERE'S ONE THAT OWNS FIVE OR SIX YES, THAT SEVERAL DUPLEXES. SO IT'S DEFINITELY THIS. EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING IS RIGHT PEOPLE THAT BASICALLY THIS ACCOUNT FOR 76. IT'S COMPLICATED . THE ONE THING WE DO KNOW FOR SURE IT WAS ON AN EARLIER SLIDE, AND MAYBE I WENT OVER TOO QUICKLY. IF YOU LOOK AT HOME OWNERS, THE VAST MAJORITY OPPOSY OWNERS AND YOU GIVE ONE VOTE FOR PROPERTY THERE IS GENERALLY SUPPORT. EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT ONLY GIVE THEM ONE VOTE WHERE ALMOST SPLIT IN THE MIDDLE. SO THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT WE KNOW THAT OUR HOMEOWNERSY OPPOSED. WE KNOW THAT OUR PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE, AND WE DIDN'T WE HAVE A GAPING HOLE ON THE TENANT SIDE. SO IT'S DEFINITELY A TOUGH ONE. OTHER COMMENTS. CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT WAS IN THE LETTER? WAS THERE. SOME BACKGROUND ON THROCKMORTON WAS THEIR BACKGROUND ON WHY THIS CAME UP WITH WHAT WAS IN THE LETTER THAT THE RESIDENTS RECEIVED. QUITE.
WHAT WAS IN THE LETTER. IT BASICALLY DID GIVE THEM SOME BACKGROUND ON WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED AND REQUESTED OF THEIR NAME CHANGED. THERE WAS, I CAN'T SAY THAT THERE WAS A HISTORY BEHIND THE THROCKMORTON NAME. THOUGHT THAT IT WAS JUST IT WAS JUST. VERY FACTUAL BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT , THOUGH, TO INCLUDE BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF SOMEONE IS NOT ABREAST OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN TERMS OF THE CONVERSATIONS HERE THAN THEY WOULD LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS? WHY IS THIS EVEN A PROBLEM? I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF A HISTORICAL BACKGROUND CONTEXT PUT INTO PLACE, SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS EVEN ON THE DOCKET TO DISCUSS. THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE THERE, BECAUSE I YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TWO VERSIONS TO TWO RESPONSES TO THE STATUE. I MEAN, THERE'S WHAT'S VERSION TO YOU. DO YOU PUT ON THERE? DO YOU PUT THE HISTORY OF THE FROM THE CITY ON TWO BUILDING THINGS OR DO YOU PUT THE OTHER ONE? THE NARRATIVE THAT GETS PUSHED OUT THE OTHER WAY? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WRITE THAT? I'M JUST CURIOUS, AND MAYBE SOME OF THIS NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED IN PERSON JUST FOR CLEAR JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE DID. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INPUT. I MEAN, FOR FOLKS FOLKS COULD CALL US. WE MADE SOME PHONE CALLS, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE BROUGHT EVERYONE TOGETHER. NOBODY WOULD COME. THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED. I THINK THAT PART ARRESTED. SO WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION. AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS. DO YOU THINK THERE'S VALUE IN HAVING ANOTHER AN OUTREACH AND PERSONALITIES? WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN JANUARY. IS THERE. YOU FEEL THAT THERE IS VALUE THAT THAT THERE'S DISCUSSION THAT COULD BE HAD AT THAT MEETING. I NEVER THINK THERE'S ANY HARM. IN CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN JANUARY SORT OF GIVES A BAKED IN OPPORTUNITY. WHERE WE COULD REACH OUT AGAIN. LET THEM KNOW THE MEETING IS GOING TO BE THERE AGAIN. TRY TO SPREAD THE WORD AS BEST WE CAN. ABSOLUTELY I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM IN THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WON'T GET A MASSIVE RESPONSE. BUT EVEN IF WE GET ONE OR TWO, AT LEAST, IT'S SOMETHING. BUT WE ALSO HAVE DATA HERE IF THE COUNCIL ELECTS TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY. OF COURSE, THIS IS ONE DISCUSSION. THE DISCUSSION OF CHANGING THE NAME BASED ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT YOU MENTIONED A POINT BEFORE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP INITIALLY AND THE INITIAL. DISCUSSION WAS BROUGHT FORTH ON CHANGING THE
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NAME ACTUALLY NOT. NOT FOUNDED IN BASED IN NECESSARILY CONTROVERSY OF THE NAME THROCKMORTON. WHO THROCKMORTON WAS, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NAME A STREET THAT PAID TRIBUTE AND. WHAT NOT TO THE HISTORY AND THE. THE COMMUNITY ON THE EAST SIDE. THE FIVE PRIDE COMMUNITIES THAT EXIST ON THE SIDE AND IT WAS LOOKED AT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. I THINK THE COMMENT WAS MENTIONED IN A LITTLE WHILE AGO ABOUT. ABOUT THAT. SO THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT THERE'S THAT POLITICALLY CHARGED SOCIAL DISCUSSION. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE DISCUSSION OF IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MM. PAID. TRIBUTE TO THE EAST SIDE. YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITIES ON THE EAST SIDE THAT NOW THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING THEM, SO IF YOU THINK I THINK ROBUSTLY AROUND BOTH OF THOSE THINGS AND BOTH OF THOSE AS BALLAD. POTENTIAL DISCUSSIONS WOULD IT NOT SERVICE TO HAVE YOU KNOW? A. COMMUNITY WHY THIS MUCH AS THAT CAN BE DISCUSSION ON IT. LIKE. AGAIN. I GO BACK TO SAYING FOR ME. IF SOMEONE IF I FELT STRONGLY AND MY COMMUNITY OF ADRIATIC TO I FELT STRONGLY ABOUT CHANGING THE NAME FOR WHATEVER REASON. MAYBE I WANT TO HONOR PAST, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER . OR MAYBE THERE'S AN ISSUE I HAVE WITH THE NAME BECAUSE THERE'S A HISTORY. UM I WOULD BE A BIT ANNOYED IF THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CITY HAD AN ISSUE WITH WITH MARCH ME IF OUR COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE REALLY WANTED TO GET TOGETHER AND THEN THE STREET FOR WHATEVER REASON, I WOULD I WOULD FIND THAT HARD TO IMAGINE. WHY DO YOU CARE? WHY DO YOU SO IS IT? THEIR MERIT TODAY HAVING A FULL DISCUSSION AGAIN. BOTH ON THE THREAT. TALK MORE AN ISSUE AS TO WHO THROCKMORTON IS, BUT ALSO TO THE ISSUE OR OR DISCUSSION OF. JUST TAKING AN OPPORTUNITY AS WE BUILD CITY HALL TO NAMING THE STREET. THAT PAYS TRIBUTE TO THE AREA. AGAIN AND MAYBE THE RESULT ENDS UP THE SAME NOW WE LEAVE IT. BUT BUT IT MAY NOT.ALTERNATIVELY YOU CAN ALWAYS DO KIND OF THE. HONORARY STREET NAME AS WELL, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO RECOGNIZE HISTORY AND EVENTS BUT DOESN'T PUT THE BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE TO CHANGE THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSES AND ADDRESSES AND BUSINESS CARDS. AND ALL OF THAT. SO. WE COULD. THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE FURTHER AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. WHAT'S THAT? LIKE IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN A CITY WHERE THEY HAVE THE STREET NAME, THE STREET SIGN WILL BE THERE AND EVERYTHING LIKE GEORGE FULLER AWAY REAL SOMETHING WAY THEY SORT OF ESTABLISHMENT. I MEAN, JUST JUST SPITBALLING IF WE NAMED IT, GEORGE FULLER WAY FOR JUST IT NOW. I MEAN, MAYBE MAINLY, BUT NOT BEAUTIFUL MEMORIAL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR CLARIFICATION, SO WE UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OR AT LEAST WHAT THE WITH THE INTENT MIGHT BE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HAVING A MEETING ANOTHER COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING. WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF THAT WITH THE PURPOSE OF THAT BE TO GALVANIZE FOLKS TO CONTINUE TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY? OR IS IT TO GET THERE? INPUT. TWO FOR A DATA POINT FOR WHICH TO MAKE A DECISION OR IS IT TO THE LADDER? THERE'S A THERE'S A RISK OF. UM SKEWING THE RESULTS BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A CAMPAIGN OR SOMEBODY COULD DRUM UP SUPPORT TO FLOOD THE MEETING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER POSED OR FOUR OR AGAINST CHANGE. IT'S NOT SCIENTIFIC AT ALL, IF IT'S TO GET MORE FOLKS TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY. IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER APPROACH. UM. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A PERFECT PROCESS. OF COURSE THIS IS IT'S. IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO SURVEYS AND. I WOULD TELL YOU FOR ME THAT DATA TELLS ME THAT. IF I WAS GOING JUST BASED ON THIS DATA, THE HOMEOWNERS THAT LIVE ON THE STREET THAT WANT TO KEEP THE STREET THE SAME. THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A TREMENDOUS DESIRE. MM. BUT THE AMOUNT OF NON RESPONDENTS AND THEN THOSE WHO DID TO THAT VOICE DEPOSED THAT WOULD SUPPORT IT. UM, I WOULD. I WOULD SAY THAT DATA SAYS JUST TO LEAVE THE STREET NAMED AS IT IS. SO TO ME, THE DISCUSSION IS MORE ABOUT IS ARE WE SATISFIED WITH THE DATA THAT WE HAVE ON THE STREET OR DOES IT EXPAND TO SIX COMMUNITY SEASIDE COMMUNITY? WEIGH IN DECISION VERSUS A LIVE ON TRUCK BOARD AND SO TO ME IF IT WAS JUST ON THROCKMORTON. THINK THERE'S DATA THAT SUPPORTS LEAVING IT. AND IF THERE'S IF IT'S COMMUNITY WIDE, THEN WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THAT. THAT'S WHY I GUESS I'M BRINGING IT. NOBODY LEAVES US WITH NEXT YEAR. YOU ALREADY HAVE THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE FOR
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JANUARY. RIGHT? CAN WE ASK PEOPLE TO FILL OUT A SURVEY REGARDLESS OF THE LEVANT THROCKMORTON OR NOT? DURING THAT MEETING, WE COULD DO THAT. SO DOES THAT AS HE SAID IT, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CAMPAIGN. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE THING. I MEAN. ALL THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW IS THOSE WHO WANT TO CHANGE IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MOBILIZE TO GET IT CHANGED, AND THOSE WHO COULD REALLY CARE DON'T REALLY CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE NOW IS GOING TO BE SKEWED TO WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST AND THE ONES WHO WILL AFFECT THE MOST. IT'S GOING TO BE THE BUSINESSES TO CHANGE EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE IN EVERY HOMEOWNER, YOU'LL GET A NEW DRIVER'S LICENSE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM FROM THE DATA NOW BECAUSE I WOULD BE I WOULD BE VERY UPSET WITH THE CITY THAT FORCED ME TO GET A NEW DRIVER'S LICENSE. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT IS SUCH A PAIN TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. ONE OF THE DMV'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL. NO YEAH. YOU SEE THE LINE AROUND IT EVERY MORNING IS STUPID. IT IS STUPID. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WHAT'S SAY WE. I'M FINE WITH WITH GETTING FEEDBACK IN THE JANUARY MEETING. I THINK THAT'S A PRUDENT THING TO DO. IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE ON OUR CALENDAR. UM AT THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF. EVALUATING WHO? THIS PLACES A BURDEN ON. I THINK YOU KNOW PROPERTY OWNERS. OBVIOUSLY HOMEOWNERS. I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME SOME LEGACY INSTITUTIONS THERE. ONE IS A CHURCH THAT HAS THIS IN THEIR NAME AND MOUNTAIN. YOU KNOW, SO I THINK SOME.UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SACRIFICES BEING MADE ALONG THE STREET TO DO THIS. SOUNDS.
BEYOND THE DRIVER'S LICENSES. UM YOU KNOW IT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT. THAT BROADER COMMUNITY AND, UH I THINK. CARES ABOUT AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE US. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I DON'T FULFILL THAT OPPORTUNITY AT ALL. YOU WANT TO SAY THAT, BUT THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF IT.
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THE BROADER COMMUNITY. IT'S ANECDOTAL, FOR SURE. I MEAN, BUT PEOPLE I TALKED TO IN THAT COMMUNITY. WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WAY TO HONOR THE EAST SIDE AND NAME CHANGE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. BUT THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN DRUMMING UP SUPPORT, MAKING IT MAKING A CAMPAIGN AS WE WERE SAYING YOU CAN. YOU CAN DO THAT EASILY. IF YOU GET THIS, YOU START GETTING THE SUPPORT IN MANUFACTURING IT. BUT THIS WAS AN ORGANIC DATA HERE. EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY THE BOOK BY THE BY THE CITY 34 DIFFERENT WAYS AND WE'VE GOT THE NUMBERS. BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET EVERYBODY RILED UP, I'M NOT GOING. I'M NOT SAYING GET EVERYBODY RILED UP.
WELL I DIDN'T SAY THAT. IT WILL . IT WILL DO EXACTLY DIVIDE US LIKE WE WERE DOING BEFORE AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN DIVIDED. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING IN UNITY WORKING TOGETHER. BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, THEN WE CAN ALL GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. AND WHAT? WHAT STEP ARE YOU SAYING? DOES THAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO DIVIDE THE PEOPLE THAT WANT IT TO THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T I'M SAYING, BUT WHAT STEPS ARE WE TAKING THAT DOES THAT? QUICK IF WE PUSH THIS, BUT PUSH WHAT I MEAN HAVING A HABIT AS A QUESTION, AND I KNOW THIS IS A TOUGH SUBJECT, BUT WE'VE HAD IN THIS IN THIS ROOM DIVIDED. GROUPS THAT JUST WANT TO PITY PIT EACH OTHER AGAINST EACH OTHER. BUT I'M SAYING, WHAT STEP ARE WE SUGGESTING THAT CREATES THAT DIVISION? NOTHING RIGHT NOW.
OKAY? RICK BUT, UM I'LL GO WITH WHAT I SAID BEFORE ARE STILL THINK THAT. OUTPUT. I MEAN, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THAT COMMUNITY. WE'RE HEARING FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS AND. I WANT TO WANT TO KEEP THAT INFORMATION. I WANT TO KEEP THAT IN PLAY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. REALLY? WELL, I SEE EVIDENCE OF A LOT OF APATHY. IN THE NUMBERS AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING MORE CARE INTO THIS THAN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STAKEHOLDERS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, OR AT LEAST THE POST OFFICE DECIDED TO CHANGE IT LARGE SECTION OF MCKINNEY 275072. AND OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO CARE. AND SO WHAT EFFECT ARE YOU HAVING, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND SAY, WELL, I LIVE ON DOUGHTY STREET AND THEY'RE THE EXPLANATION IS GOING TO BE WHILE I LIVE ON THROCKMORTON STREET, BUT IT'S NOW CALLED DOUGHTY
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STRAIGHT AND SO EFFECTIVELY, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE OUT THERE. NO MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME.AND YOU CAN GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO FILL OUT A SURVEY AND I CERTAINLY DON'T SEE ANY HARM AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DO THAT. BUT I DO SEE THE CONCERN AND MAKING AN ARGUMENT EITHER WAY. ON WHY YOU SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO IT OR WANTS BEHIND THE ENTIRE ISSUE. BUT AT THIS POINT I'M. I'VE SEEN MORE APATHY THAN I'VE SEEN THE CITY REACHING OUT SAYING, DO SOMETHING ABOUT.
I DON'T SEE ANY HARM AND HAVE THEM CONVERSATION ON JANUARY 20TH. TO KIM'S POINT. TRADE YOU ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR US TO CONTINUE AND TRY TO ENGAGE AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN IN A DIFFERENT MANNER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO STILL BE SOME PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO CARE AND STILL DON'T SPEAK UP AND IT'S NICE TO JUST ASK THEM THEIR OPINION. IF WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OUTRAGED AND JUST, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE GET MORE OF A RESPONSE, PARTICULARLY FROM THE TENANTS. UM IT WOULD HELP FOR US TO MAKE A BETTER DECISION. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, THERE'S CONSENSUS TO DO THAT. LET'S LET'S DO THAT. AND SORRY TO KEEP YOU ON THIS TASK IF YOU WERE HOPING TO BE DONE, BUT LET'S. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT I'M THINKING IN MY HEAD TO MAKE SURE ALIGNS WITH WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, UM I FEEL LIKE WE COULD SORT OF DUAL TRACK . UM THE EFFORTS FOR THE JANUARY 20TH MEETING. ON THE ONE HAND, WE CAN REOPEN. THE STAKEHOLDER SURVEYS THAT IF WE CAN CONNECT WITH ADDITIONAL TENANTS, PROPERTY OWNERS, HOMEOWNERS AND THROCKMORTON, THEY CAN GO INTO THAT SURVEY THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT STAKEHOLDER GROUP, BUT THEN WE CAN ALSO GET INPUT FROM ANYONE WHO'S AT THE MEETING WHO MIGHT HAVE AN INTEREST AND WILL SORT OF SEPARATE THOSE TWO DATA POOLS. BRING THAT BACK, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE PORT.
IMPORTANT TO COLLECT THE DATA ON THOSE. YES YES, YES. WHO ARE WHO ARE THEY ALMOST HAVE TWO SEPARATE SURVEYS. SO IF YOU LIVE ON THE STREET OR. ON PROPERTY ON THE STREET. YOU'RE ON THIS SURVEY TRACK AND IF YOU ARE JUST INTERESTED IN THE TOPIC, YOU'RE ON THIS SURVEY TRACK. RIGHT BUT I'M SAYING THAT THAT YOU JUST CAN'T ANONYMOUSLY GIVE INPUT WE NEED TO KNOW. ARE YOU A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY THERE. THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE WE'VE GONE WITH US BEFORE. IT WASN'T PRETTY. EVERYONE GIVE IT THAT. SURE, ALL RIGHT. RIGHT? THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. I'LL DO IS THE SHORT STRAW. 211143 INFORMATION ON THE COMMUNITY
[Information on the Community Land Trust As One Strategy to Implement the Goals of the Root Policy Housing Study]
LAND TRUST IS ONE STRATEGY TO IMPLEMENT THE GOALS OF THE ROOT POLICY HASN'T STUDIED. GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR COUNCIL CRYSTAL TAUGHT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADMINISTRATOR. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS TIME HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. SEE. START OUT LIKE KIM DID THIS SLIDE PROBABLY LOOKS VERY FAMILIAR TO YOU. YOU'VE SEEN IT A COUPLE TIMES.THIS IS OUR TOP FOUR HOUSING NEEDS BASED OFF OUR ROUTE POLICY HOUSING STUDY. THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE SPOKE BRIEFLY ON A BULLET. BULLET POINT ABOUT COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. YOU ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. ART LOCAL OUR LIMITATIONS ON OUR TYPICAL AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP PROGRAMS SUCH AS OUR DOWN PAYMENT AND CLOSING COSTS PROGRAMS IS WE PROVIDE A SUBSIDY , AND THERE'S NOTHING PUT IN PLACE TO PRESERVE THE AFFORDABLE ABILITY. THERE'S USUALLY A FIVE YEAR PERIOD AND AFTER THAT AFFORDABILITY IS GONE. SO HOW DO WE PROTECT AND LEVERAGE THOSE LIMITED PARTNER AND OUR SUBSIDY INVESTMENTS TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND HOW DO WE MAKE HOUSING AFFORDABLE AND KEEP IT? AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, PRESERVE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY? IT PROTECTS AND LEVERAGES AFFORDABILITY SUBSIDIES AND IT TAKES A UNIQUE AND LONG TERM APPROACH TO HOME OWNERSHIP. SO SEATBELTS ARE REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR TYPICAL PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. IN THIS CASE, AN ENTITY OWNS THE LAND. THE HOMEOWNER OWNS THE HOUSE. AND THEN THERE ARE AFFORDABILITY RULES PUT IN PLACE THAT KEEP IT AFFORDABLE OVER TIME. IN THE HOMES ARE INCREASING A SET VALUE EACH YEAR. HERE'S WHY THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. NOT ONLY DO THEY PROVIDE LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY THAT THAT'S THE LOT THAT'S AFFORDABILITY THAT STAYS IN PLACE. IT'S NOT JUST AFFORDABLE NOW, BUT IT IS FOR LONG TERM IT RETAINS THAT AFFORDABILITY OWNERSHIP OVER TIME. AND IN MCKINNEY WE'VE SEEE TO NOT AFFORDABLE VERY QUICKLY. THIS IS A TOOL THAT CAN HELP
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MAINTAIN. AH ENTRY LEVEL HOMEOWNERSHIP. ADDITIONALLY IT'S RELIABLE SOUND INVESTMENT FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERS. SORRY OUTCOMES WITH THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST THE HOUSING, AFFORDABILITY AND QUALITY IS PRESERVED FOR HOMEOWNERS TO HOMEOWNER WITHOUT REQUIRING ADDITIONAL SUBSIDY SO THAT PRIVATE AND PUBLIC INVESTMENTS ARE LEVERAGED OVER TIME. CLT HOMEOWNERS ARE SUCCESSFUL HOMEOWNERS. TYPICALLY THEY LIVE IN THE HOUSE FOR AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS, AND STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT ONCE THE CLT HOME IS SOLD THAT 60 TO 70% OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS GO ON TO PURCHASE. UM, MARKET RATE HOMES WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS.COMMUNITY LAND TRUST THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 40 YEARS. THERE'S STILL VERY FEW HERE IN TEXAS. HOWEVER THIS IS BECOMING VERY POPULAR FOR AREAS THAT HAVE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY ISSUES SUCH AS MCKINNEY. UM THERE ARE HANDFUL OF THE ONES HERE IN TEXAS. I'VE LISTED A FEW FOR YOU. THE TEXAS STATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CORPORATION, THE CITY OF AUSTIN STATE OF HOUSTON. THERE'S A WE PUT TOGETHER FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE. THERE'S A OPTION ONE WHERE THE CITY COULD CREATE A LAND BANK AND A PROCESS TO QUALIFY NONPROFITS AS THE LT PARTNERS. TO ACCOMPLISH GOALS.
WE COULD PARTNER WITH THE OUTSIDE NONPROFIT AS A CLT. OUR MCKINNEY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION COULD CREATE, MANAGE AND OPERATE THE CLT OR AS A CITY WE COULD CREATE, OPERATE AND MANAGE THE CLT. THAT COMMUNITY LAND TRUST HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A TOOL AS ONE WAY I MEAN, THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS BUT AS ONE WAY TO TACKLE AFFORDABILITY, AND IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN THIS HOUSING TOOL THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO SEEK YOUR INPUT AND GUIDANCE ON. WOULD IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY YOU PREFER AND WHERE WE COULD MOVE FORWARD IN ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, BUT. OUTSTANDING ANY QUESTIONS? SO COULD YOU PLEASE DISCUSS ME THAT THIS. THE DISCUSSION BEGAN WITH. TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF WHAT WOULD BE GENTRIFICATION OVER ON THE EAST SIDE. HOW TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW THE PRESIDENT'S THERE THAT HAVE BEEN. THAT LIVED THERE AND NOT PRICE THEM OUT AS WE START TO DELIVER AMENITIES IN THE MARKET DELIVERS AMENITIES. WHY NOT TO THE AREA? SO IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO HOW. HOW THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THIS TOUR. I KNOW WE'VE. A NUMBER OF US APPEAR BEEN LOOKING AT MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND RUNNING INTO SOME DEAD ENDS. BUT THIS APPEARS TO BE A TOOL. WHAT HOW WOULD WE IMPLEMENT IT? THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY AS MENTIONED. IT IS USED FOR FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS AS WELL. BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE THAT. HOMEOWNER THAT'S IN PLACE THAT'S AT RISK OF LOSING THEIR HOME. THERE COULD BE SOMEONE THAT'S POSSIBLY IN FORECLOSURE. THE CLT CAN PURCHASE THEIR LAND PROVIDE THAT SUBSIDY TOWARD THEM THEY WOULD REFINANCE FOR JUST THE AMOUNT THAT THE HOUSE IS SO IT MAKES THEIR PAYMENTS LOWER, AND THEN IT STILL PROVIDES AT HOME OWNERSHIP FOR THEM, SO THIS WOULD ALLOW. FOR SOME HELP WITH THE JENNIFER CATION AND ALSO, YOU COULD GO IN AND PURCHASE THE LAND FOR WHERE THERE'S CURRENT HOUSING AND WHERE THERE'S VACANT HOUSING. SO. YOU JUST GIVE AN EXAMPLE THAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT TOOL COULD BE IMPLEMENTED. YOU'RE STAYING WITH SOMEONE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR HOME JUST IN GENERAL IN AN AREA IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE HOW IT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED. THERE COULD BE ANY HOUSE THAT YOU CURRENTLY OWN. AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BEING PRICED OUT OF YOUR CURRENT HOUSE, YOU COULD APPROACH THE CLT IN THE CLT COULD BUY YOUR PROPERTY. THAN THE CLT WOULD OWN YOUR LAND , AND THEN YOU WOULD OWN THE HOUSE STRUCTURE ON IT, AND IT WOULD BE SET AT A FIXED RATE. MOST OF THEM GO ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1% AND 2% PER YEAR WHERE IT CAN INCREASE IN VALUE. SO YOU STILL HAVE THAT AFFORDABILITY SO, 10 YEARS FROM NOW. INSTEAD, THAT HOUSE BEING ABLE TO SELL FOR 4 50. IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, HALF THAT AMOUNT SO YOU COULD BE IN A CURRENT HOUSE AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION. WHY, AT LEAST FOR ME? DID THAT AGAIN TO THIS THE WHOLE UM WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW CAN WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? AS WE BECAUSE HERE WE ARE AS A CITY WHERE WE'RE CREATING THE CATALYST PROJECTS. AND BOTH IN CITY HALL AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN IN THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA, WHICH IS AWESOME. THAT THE. THE PEOPLE THAT SUFFER, THOUGH, ARE YOU KNOW RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE THAT OBVIOUSLY GET PRICED OUT, SO THE IDEA WAS WHAT TOOLS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO PROVIDE SOME PROTECTION. CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST TO NOT PRICES SOMEBODY OUT OF THEIR HOME IN THAT YEAR. ACHIEVING WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE AND REDEVELOPMENT. ALL THAT AT THE SAME TIME, UM HAVING YOU KNOW SOME LEVEL OF PROTECTION FOR DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S STRUCTURED
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. WHAT MAKES THIS SUCH A POWERFUL TOOL IS THAT IT DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN FOR THE FIRST HOMEOWNER OR THE HOME BUYER. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE A VACANT LOT THAT'S PURCHASED BY COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, AND THEN YOU KNOW YOUR PARTNER WITH A HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, OR MCKINNEY, HOUSING AUTHORITY OR SOMEBODY TO BUILD THE VERTICAL HOUSE. SELL IT. IT DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN AT ONE TIME, AND THEN IT GOES TO MARKET YOU POWERFUL COMPONENT OF THIS IS THAT THAT AFFORDABILITY IS PASSED ON. THROUGH HOMEOWNERS, EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO SELL AND MOVE AWAY OR WHATEVER IT IS THE STRUCTURE THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED, PRESERVES THE AFFORDABILITY OF THAT HOME.UM THERE'S A CERTAIN REPAYMENT OF THE PRINCIPAL THAT'S PAID BY THE OWNER OF THE PREVIOUS OWNER, BUT THEN WHEN THEY SELL IT. THERE'S A RESTRICTION THAT YOU CANNOT GO TOMORROW. YOU CANNOT INFLATE THE VALUE CANNOT JUST GO TO THE MARKET VALUE AND THEN THE NEXT PERSON CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE. IT'S AN AFFORDABLE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE WAY ITS STRUCTURE AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SUCH. A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST AS WELL AS THE HOMEOWNER WHO WHO GETS AN AFFORDABLE HOME. HOW DOES THAT EXAMPLE? RIGHT SO HOW DOES THE PROPERTY ALRIGHT, WELL, LET ME LOOK AT THIS SLIDE IS THIS SLIDE MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION. SO YOU CAN DO THIS WITHIN EXISTING HOME , RIGHT? CORRECT SO WE BUY THE DIRT AND THEY OWN THE HOUSE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES WELL, YOU WOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE APPRAISED VALUE IS CURRENTLY IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR HOUSE, YOU WOULD SAY, OKAY, YOU HAVE A $300,000 HOUSE. THE CLT IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE SUBSIDY OF $80,000. SO NOW THE PURCHASE PRICE OF YOUR HOUSE IS NOW TO 20. YOU TAKE THAT TO 20. AND THEN HERE'S WHERE YOU GET THAT, AND SO THEY ARE THEN JUST PAYING . THERE'S TOWARDS THE STRUCTURE AND NOT THE LAND. JUST THE TAX JUST THE TAX. OKAY, SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PAID FOR HOUSE. THEY'RE ACTUALLY PURCHASING THE HOME, BUT THEY'RE ONLY PAYING TAXES ON THE HOME AS WELL, TOO. SO THIS WORKS, WHETHER THEY HAVE A MORTGAGE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A MORTGAGE? NO THEY WOULD HAVE A MORTGAGE BECAUSE WITH THIS THEY WOULD BE RE PAIN. REPAYING IT.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING THE SAME AS THEY GO. IF YOU GIVE A FULL EXAMPLE THERE'S MY OWN HOME. AND IT'S FINANCED WITH YOU KNOW JOHN SMITH MORTGAGE COMPANY RIGHT NOW. I COME TO THE CLT.
YOU'RE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE LAND YOU'RE TAKING. YOU'RE PAYING OFF THAT OTHER MORTGAGE WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND NOW I HAVE A MORTGAGE WITH CLT FOR THE VALUE OF THE HOME. WHICH IS HOW I GET THAT REDUCTION BECAUSE I'M NOT PAYING FOR JUST THE HOME. NOT THE NOT THE LAND RIGHT? YOU WOULD STILL BE PAYING YOUR LENDER. IT WOULD JUST BE BUYING THE HOME AND NOT THE LAND.
BECAUSE WE WOULD THE CLT. WOULD ONLY THE LENDER. BE OKAY WITH THAT? THERE ARE A COUPLE OF VENDORS THAT WORK WITH THIS. SO IT IS NEW TO TEXAS. AND SO THERE ARE LENDERS OUT THERE THAT WORK WITH THE LTS AND FANNIE MAE HAS JUST CREATED A PROJECT BECAUSE WHEN I DON'T WANT IS. THEM PAYING US AND ALSO WE HAVE TO FORECLOSE BECAUSE NOW WE'VE JUST KNOW THEY DON'T PAY. YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT FORECLOSING ON. BUT HOW DOES THE PROPERTY ENTER BACK INTO THE MARKET, RIGHT? SO UM, AT SOME POINT. THE HOUSE AND THE PROPERTY IS RIPE FOR DEVELOPMENT , AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LIVE THERE, AND IT'S BEEN AFFORDABLE. BUT HOW DOES THAT PROBABLY THEN GET BACK INTO THE MARKET? UM WHERE DOES THE CLT HAD CLT? GET OUT OF THAT? CLT BEING THE CITY IS AS WELL HOW DOES IT ENTER BACK INTO THE FREE MARKET? SO WHEN YOU DECIDE TO SELL THAT CLT HOME, IT WOULD BE MARKETED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER HOME. HOWEVER THE CLT OWNS THE LAND AND WILL CONTINUE TO OWN THE LAND, AND THAT'S HOW IT STAYS AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THEY WITH THAT WITH THAT LEASE, THEY HAVE THAT AFFORDABILITY. SO IF YOU DECIDE TO SELL. THEN YOU GET TO SELL BASED OFF THAT 2% THAT HE GETS TO INCREASE EVERY YEAR. SO NOW THAT HOME THAT YOU PURCHASED AT 2 20 NOW SELLS IT TO 64, WHERE IT'S STILL AFFORDABLE AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PURCHASING HAVE TWO INCOME QUALIFY TO PURCHASE AT IT. BUT I KNOW I KNOW HOW IT WORKS STAINED WITHIN A. WITHIN THE SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM I'M ASKING, HOW DO WE PULL IT OUT OF THE SYSTEM? SO WHAT POINT. AT SOME POINT IF THE CLT YES, RIGHT TO MARKET VALUE PRICES. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN HE WAS IN THE HOUSE. HE IS IN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS. HE'S READY TO SELL IT NOW HE HAS TO SELL. IT HAS TO REMAIN IN THIS PROGRAM, AND IT CAN. HE CAN ONLY SELL IT FOR WHATEVER THAT PRICE IS. CAN THE CLT PURCHASE IT. FOR THAT PRICE AND THEN SELL THAT TO THE MARKET. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT MARKET PRICE BECAUSE THAT HOME NOW IS IN A PLACE WHERE IT IS RIPE FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND. THE CLT. TECHNICALLY YES, COULD AT SOME POINT DECIDED TO DO THAT, BUT THE POINT OF THE CLT IS TO PRESERVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REALIZED THAT, BUT I REALIZED THAT, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO GET TO IT. SOME. AT SOME POINT THE GOAL THERE AT LEAST FOR ME, AND I'M ONE OF SEVEN. SO MY GOAL WAS, UH, HOW CAN WE LOOK AT MITIGATING THE DOWNSIDE OF GENTRIFICATION? HOWEVER MY HOPE IS THAT
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RESIDENTS THAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO MITIGATE THAT THEY RIDE THAT WAVE OF PROSPERITY AND AT SOME POINT. THEY BENEFIT AS WELL. BUT ALSO I WASN'T LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN. ONE OF 74 IN PERPETUITY THAT THAT THAT SMALL HOME ON THE CORNER OF. YOU KNOW, MAINE AND TOMORROW OR WHATEVER. IS THERE SOME POINT IT'S RIGHT TO ENTER THE MARKET AND ONCE THE PERSON THAT HAS BEEN THERE AND HAS DECIDES THEY'RE READY TO LEAVE AND MOVE LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT PROPERTY GETS BACK INTO THE INTO THE MARKETPLACE. AND DEVELOPED. THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE HOME. DO THAT, WITH THE. AND THE LAND BANK SO THEY CAN BOTH PROFIT. OR IS IT JUST THE LAND BANK IS GOING TO PROFIT. I'M GOING TO MARKET. SEEMS TO ME THAT THE LAND BANK COULD SELL IT ANYTIME AS LONG AS THEY REINVESTED IN OTHER LAND. WELL, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE FOR SURE. RIGHT? AND SINCE IT'S CALLED THE COMMUNITY LAND, TRUST, THIS RULE OF PERPETUITY IS PLY FOREVER OR EVER. I. A VALID QUESTION. YOU SAID THIS IS NEW TO TEXAS OF THIS. UNITY LAND TRUST. WHERE WHERE IS IT FROM? THERE'S A LOT OF THEM IN MICHIGAN AND THEN A LOT OF AREAS THAT WE HAD LOTS OF JENNIFER CATION AND JUST PEOPLE WALK AWAY FROM EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE, BUT THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 40 YEARS AND THE ONES IN TEXAS HAVE WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS ONE CITY OF HOUSTON. CITY OF DALLAS, FOCUSES MORE ON A LAND BANK, AND THEN THEY PARTNER WITH COMMUNITY LAND TRUST TO COME IN AND DO THIS OTHER PART. WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER TOOLS. WE LOOKED AT THINGS SO OF CALL THEM HOMESTEAD. DON'T UM RESERVATION ZONES AND. KIND OF IDEAS LIKE THAT. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE TO PURSUE, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST. REMEMBER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION STUDY THAT IS STILL UNDERWAY, SO WHEN THAT'S COMPLETED, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT WE'RE. CONFIDENT OF HIS STAFF TO KNOW THAT THIS IS FOR VERY LIKELY RECOMMENDATION. WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT ALSO WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE ROOT STUDY. AND WE FIGURED, LET'S ADVANCE THE CONVERSATION NOW GET THE COUNCIL INTRODUCED TO IT. IF YOU WANT US TO GO BACK , WHICH SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT US TO DO IS TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FLUSHED OUT A BIT MORE DETAIL, BUT IT IS A VERY POWERFUL TOOL. AND, UM IT REALLY HELPS. WITH THE ISSUE THAT THE SO CALLED GENTRIFICATION ISSUE WITH THE ISSUE OF. INADVERTENTLY PRICING PEOPLE OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'VE LIVED IN FOR A LONG TIME. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT, OF COURSE OF REVITALIZATION. THIS IS A REALLY POWERFUL TOOL TO HELP ADDRESS THAT. I THINK IT'S GREAT TO I JUST. I'M JUST CURIOUS AGAIN HOW ? AT SOME POINT IT COMES BACK INTO THE WHEN I SAY THIS SYSTEM, I DON'T MEAN THE AFFORDABLE QUESTION THE MARKET AT WHAT POINT DOES IT HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE MARKET? OR WHAT POINT CAN IT GO BACK? YEAH. AND AGAIN I'M ALE THE ONES WHO PROFIT AND RIGHT AGAIN. THE WAVE OF GROWTH AND ECONOMIC PROSPERITY. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE ADVANTAGES I SEE WITH THIS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CENSUS TRACK EAST OF POWER FIVE. HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE IS FLIPPED WHERE WE'VE GOT A 60% RUNNER BASE. WHO ARE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO A PRETTY HEFTY SHIFT AND LANDLORDS FINDING HIGHER AND BETTER USES FOR THEIR PROPERTY OR LOOKING FOR HIGHER RENTS. AND SO THIS IS A WAY. TO CONTROL THAT, WHILE POTENTIALLY PROVIDING. UM SOME SORT OF HOME OWNERSHIP OR KIND OF. FINANCIAL BENEFIT AND THE APPRECIATION OF THE PROPERTY. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T RENT THE PROPERTY IS CORRECT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SELL THEM AS A AS A AS A MORTGAGE PRODUCT. YOU CAN. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NO HOME IN THE CLT AND RENATE, CAN'T YOU? MOST OF THE MODELS I'VE SEEN. IT'S ACTUALLY HOMEOWNERSHIP, BUT I'M SAYING THE CLT COULD POTENTIALLY OWNED THE HOME. SO THAT SO HOMEOWNERSHIP, RIGHT? SO YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE A PRODUCT OUT THERE WHERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN CREATE UM. KIND OF AVAILABILITY AND PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN AFFORDABILITY WHO ALREADY ARE ARE IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY. WHO CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE FROM SOME OF THE APPRECIATION THAT EXISTS IN A CONTROLLED AND MORE AFFORDABLE WAY. AND I THINK ULTIMATELY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM GETTING BACK INTO THE MARKET. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE PROGRAMS. FOR YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT HOME OWNERSHIP THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY[01:25:09]
HELP PEOPLE DO THAT. BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU DON'T WANT TO. REDUCE YOUR COMMUNITY LAND TRUST STOCK AND NECESSARILY DO THAT. BUT. I THINK IT'S A VALUABLE PRODUCTS. THAT KIND OF.MITIGATES AGAINST AND HIGH LEASE OWNER RIGHT TO TRANSFER THEM INTO HOMEOWNERS. YET YOU KNOW, LEAST HAVE THE CHOICE AND THE TRUST COULD HAVE THE CHOICE TO ALLOW A PROPERTY TOO. GET OUT OF REFERRED TO AS THE SYSTEM JUST FOR YEARS. A CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. YEAH CERTAIN MEANS CERTAIN CRITERIA AGAIN IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE. LIKE THE MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK THE HABITAT MODEL FOR THIS TYPE OF. BENEFIT AS HABITAT NEGOTIATES TAX RATE WITH THE TAX AUTHORITY WHILE THEY OWN IT. AND THEN THEY CARRY A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL. ON THE RESALE OF IT. WHICH KIND OF DOES THE SAME THING AS CAPPING UP, UH, VALUE APPRECIATION ON THE RESALE, AND THEN THEY GET TO MAKE THAT CHOICE IF THAT PERSON HAS AN OFFER FOR A HIGHER AMOUNT.
THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL FOR THEM FOR A PRICE, OR MAYBE A SET PRICE. BUT IT'S KIND OF KIND OF END UP WITH THE SAME THING UNLESS IT'S GOT SOMETHING. LONG TERM. SO WE DIDN'T AGREEMENT TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AND WE'LL LOOK INTO THE THINGS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. BUT DOES EVERYONE SEE THIS AS A POTENTIAL VIABLE TOOL TO MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. I'M FOR IT. FOR CONTINUING I AM, TOO. FOR IT. LIKE SOMEBODY EDUCATE ME ON HOW A NON PROFITS GOING TO COMPETE IN THE MARKET FOR PROPERTIES IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS. IT'S NOT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. BUT IF SOMEONE COULDN'T WAS CONFUSING TO ME, GLOSSED OVER THAT, YEAH.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ON THAT END OF IT. BUT YES, CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS VIABLE ALTERNATIVE. GREAT. I THINK WE FIND THAT IN THE TEXAS TOOLKIT FOR AVOIDANCE, DISPLACEMENT, DISPLACEMENT, WILLIAMS, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.
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