[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on the request of Debbie Steele for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness for deviations from the previously approved CoA for the house at 308 N Waddill St.]
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VARIANCE TO A CIA THAT SOMEBODY COMES BACK AND GETS AN UPDATE TO A REVISED TO GO ALONG WITH THE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO MAKE, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE TODAY TO LOOK AT THE REQUESTED CHANGES. THE CHANGES ON THIS FROM THE PREVIOUS IMAGES THAT YOU SAW.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOW AT GRADE RATHER THAN RAISED UP ABOVE THE GRADE. THE RAILING IS GONE FROM THE PORCH AND THE COLUMNS ARE A LITTLE THINNER AT THE BASE. THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 10 INCHES RATHER THAN 18. THE FRONT FACADE IS NOW STONE RATHER THAN LAP SIDING. IN THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO, UH, CASEMENT STYLE WINDOWS RATHER THAN THE 1/1 HUNG ONE SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS. AND THAT WINDOW IN THE GABLE HAS BEEN RAPED, ELONGATED TO BE A MUCH TALLER WINDOW THAN IT WAS BEFORE. ALONG THE SIDE. THERE WAS SOME WINDOW RELOCATIONS. YOU CAN SEE IT IN HERE. OOPS. SO THERE WAS SOME WINDOW RELOCATIONS YOU CAN. MY POINTER ISN'T CATCHING. YOU CAN SEE THE WINDOW CHANGED ON THE SIDE ELEVATION NEAR THE CHIMNEY. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY CLOSE TO THE CHIMNEY, AND NOW IT'S UP ALONG THE EDGE OF THE CHIMNEY. IN THE ROOF LINES WERE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT PREDOMINANTLY AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHERE THE GARAGE WAS KIND OF BECAME ONE KIND OF UNIFORM STRAIGHT ROOF INSTEAD. YOU CAN SEE THEM BETTER FROM THIS IMAGE HERE WHERE YOU SEE THE SIDE VIEW OF THE HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF GOES ALL THE WAY STRAIGHT BACK AS KIND OF ONE STRAIGHT ROOF SPACE. SOME WINDOWS WERE ADDED OVER THE ROOM ABOVE THE GARAGE. IN THE WINDOWS ALONG THE SIDE, REALLY THE BIGGEST CHANGE WITH THE WINDOWS ALONG THE SIDE, WHERE THEY MOVE FROM? THE WINDOW NEXT TO THE FIREPLACE TO THE SIDE AND THE WINDOW AT THE MIDDLE. THAT LARGE SQUARE WINDOW WENT FROM BEING GLASS BLOCK TO BEING A SINGLE TEMPERED GLASS PANE, THIS PANE WINDOW. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PRESIDENTS OF WHAT? USUALLY WE LOOK AT PRECEDENT, SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT LOOK LIKE. AND THEN THESE ARE SOME PRESIDENTS OF JUST NEIGHBORING HOUSES THAT WERE VERY SIMILAR IN STYLE TO THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF DESIGN AND SOMEWHAT TO THE FORMS OF THE EXISTING OF THE HOUSE AS IT EXISTS NOW, WITH THAT KIND OF PROMINENT FRONT PORCH, AND YOU'RE COMBINATION OF GABLE ROOFS. UM THE HOMEOWNERS ARE REQUESTING THIS STEEL IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THESE CHANGES TO HER ELEVATION. ON THESE ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING, PREDOMINANTLY THE CHANGES THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE LOOKING AT HER THE STONE ON THE FRONT AND THE CHINA'S CHANGE TO THE PORCH AND CHANGED THE COLUMNS. WE'RE OKAY WITH THE CHANGES TO THE WINDOWS. YOU KNOW IT IS A NEW BUILD. IT'S NOT.
IT'S NOT A HISTORIC BUILD. SO ONE OF THE ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WHEN YOU'RE DOING A NEW HOUSES THAT YOU WANTED TO FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER HOMES. THE DISADVANTAGE TO IT LOOKING LIKE ALL THE OTHER HOMES EXACTLY. IS WHAT WE TEND TO CALL HISTORICISM WHERE IT LOOKS HISTORIC, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY.
HE WANTED TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF ITS TIME AND ITS PLACE AND IT'S THAT, YOU KNOW, HISTORY OF ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. WHAT SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES ARE UM, IN THIS FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE. WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH HERE, AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL ON IS THE WITH THE COLUMN BASES AND THE STONE THAT GOES UP ABOVE THE TOP OF THE GABLE. FROM THE FACE, BUT NORMALLY THE STYLE LIKE THIS WHERE YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF ROOF OVER THE PORCH, THE STONE WOULD STOP BENEATH THE PORCH ROOF, AND IT WOULD BE LAP SIDING ABOVE THE TOP. IN THIS KIND OF PARTICULAR FORM WHAT THE OWNER IS, UH, BASED THEIR DESIGN ON WHEN THEY KIND OF DECIDED TO TAKE THE STONE. ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP WAS MORE OF THE TUDOR STYLE BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE AROUND TOWN. YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE THE ONE FROM THE BOTTOM. IT'S BEEN IN OUR CALENDAR BUNCH. THEY ALSO POINTED OUT PICTURE OF THE HOUSE ON BERN STREET THAT IS VERY SIMILAR IN STYLE TO THIS ONE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SLIDE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THE PICTURE DIDN'T LOAD. UM SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS STYLE. THIS KIND OF WHAT'S CALLED THE TUDOR REVIVAL STYLE TAKES A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO PORCHES GENERALLY AND TO THE STONE GOING UP THE GABLE TYPICALLY WHEN THE STONE GOES UP THE GABLE THERE IS NO PORCH THERE OR THE PORCH HAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORM TO IT. BUT AS I SAID, THIS IS THIS IS A KIND OF NEW DESIGN. LIKE I SAID, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE THE STONE FROM THE TOP AND HAVE LEFT CITING YOU GUYS CAN SAY
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YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE STONE ON THE TOP, OR, YOU KNOW, APPROVE IT DIFFERENTLY AS WELL. AND THEN OUR OTHER RECOMMENDATION WAS TO WIDEN THE PORCH COLUMNS TO BE CLOSER TO THE 18 INCH. DIMENSION THEY DID SAY, MISS STEELE DID SAY THAT SHE IS WORKING TO HAVE THOSE COLUMN WRAPS CHANGE TO 15 INCHES RATHER THAN 18 INCHES. WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PERMITTED AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE. 18 WOULD NOW HANG OFF THE PORCH SO 15 WOULD STILL FIT ON THE PORCH . 18 WOULD KIND OF HANG OFF AND YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO START HANGING OFF THE EDGE. SO WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT ADDITION THAT CHANGE TO THE 15TH SO OUR BIGGEST QUESTION TO THE BOARD IS R. IS THE BOARD OKAY WITH WILLING TO APPROVE THE CHANGE TO HAVE STONE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? ANY QUESTIONS? AS THE OWNER RESPONDED, PROPOSED CONDITIONS REMOVED STONE THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. THEY DON'T WANT TO REMOVE THE STONE, BUT THEY, BUT SHE HAS SAID THAT SHE WILL DO WHAT THE BOARD ASKS HER TO DO. AND SHE'S HOPING TO DO THAT. WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS WAS THE TIME FRAME THAT, SHE SAID. I HAVE A QUESTION. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE APPROVED CEO TO 2019? ONE MORE. IT WAS THE DOCUMENT. THAT WAS THE FIRST DOCUMENT. YEAH THIS THIS IT'S NO. THIS IS THE PICTURE FROM IT. WELL, IT'S THE APPLICATION. THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A DIFFERENT FIGHT. IT WAS THE ATTACHMENT THE FIRST ATTACHMENT. SEE MEMBERS. CAN YOU BRING THAT UP? BUT IT'S NOT THAT YOU HAD ON ARMY GET THERE. IT'S ACTUALLY SAYS IN THE AGENDA ITEMS IT ACTUALLY SAYS APPROVED TO NOW IT'S. YEP, THAT'S THE ONE. OKAY. I READ THROUGH THIS. AND IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. WHICH PERSON PARAGRAPH FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE OF THE THERE THAT YOU HAD, RIGHT? THERE'S NO NEXT ONE. THIS. IT'S THE VERY BEGINNING. HERE. JUST STOP, OKAY? INCOMPLETE APPLICATIONS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED. BUT IF YOU READ THROUGH THAT I AM SAYING THAT THAT'S DESCRIBING THAT THE APPLICANT IS SUPPOSED TO ABIDE BY WHAT THEY AGREED TO CORRECT AND. READ THROUGH THAT WHOLE THING, AND I DON'T SEE THAT THEY DID, AND THE APPLICATION IS PAST THE TIME. MHM. YEAH. AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS CHANGED. MM. AND ALL OF US THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, I'LL JUST SAY IT'S I'M GETTING FEEDBACK. WHY DID ALL THIS HAPPEN? BECAUSE IT'S SETTING. I KNOW IT'S ALREADY DONE AND I'M SORRY TO HAVE A NEGATIVE FEEL ABOUT THIS, BUT I DO I REALLY DO. BECAUSE ONE REASON WHY I WANTED TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD WAS TO KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING. I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN ANYMORE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND. HOW COME IT GOT THIS FAR? HOW COME I MEAN, THAT MEANS THAT THE NEXT PERSON THAT DECIDES TO BUILD THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES AND THEN ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER. IS THAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OR HOW CAN WE? HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS? BECAUSE THIS REALLY DOES NOT MAKE ME HAPPY. WHEN I DRIVE BY IT, I UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY THE FENCE THING. WHERE'S THE FENCE? FENCE IS NOT IN THIS BECAUSE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT SEPARATELY. AND SO IT HASN'T COME TO YOU BEFORE YET BECAUSE THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ITEM THAT THEY WANT TO. THEY WANT TO ADDRESS, SO OKAY, SO COULD YOU ANSWER A QUESTION FOR ME? LET'S SAY I KNOW THE TREE ORDINANCES AND ALL THAT AND THE TROPHY TREES AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO WHENEVER THEY TAKE TREES DOWN.WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A PERSON DOESN'T ABIDE BY. UM WHAT THEY'VE APPLIED TO DO AND DECIDE TO DO THEIR OWN THING. THEN WHAT HAPPENS? IN A PERFECT SCENARIO. WHEN THE PROJECT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED, IT WOULD BE CAUGHT BY CODE SERVICES BUILDING INSPECTION, AND THEY WOULD FLAG IT AND PUT A HOLD OR STOP WORK ORDER ON IT. SO THAT THE WORK WOULD NOT PROCEED. UNTIL THE
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UNTIL THE PROJECT WAS FIXED AND BROUGHT BACK INTO COMPLIANCE. IN THIS CASE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.THE PROJECT WAS BUILT. IT WAS BUILT MOSTLY LAST YEAR DURING 2020. BEING 2021 2020 2020 PARTS OF IT. PARTS OF IT WERE FINISHED IN 2021. THERE'S STILL THERE'S STILL A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE GETTING WRAPPED UP NEAR THE END OF 2021. THEY HAD ALL THE INSPECTOR THE FULL SET OF INSPECTIONS. YES. SO THE CITY STILL WOULD GO OUT THERE AND APPROVED THINGS RIGHT? VISION YES. WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THAT APPROVAL AND THAT CHECKING ON THINGS RATHER ONCE IT LEAVES OUR OFFICE, THE CEO OFFICE THEN IT BECOMES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PERMIT.
DEPARTMENT THAT CODE INSPECTOR AN APARTMENT AND THE PLAN REVIEW THE PLAN INSPECTORS, YOU KNOW, GO OUT AND DO THE BUILDING INSPECTION. UM TO FOLLOW ALONG AND MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLYING WITH THE CIA. AS AS YOU NOTED, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THIS ONE. I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE. AND YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY WHO WAS INVOLVED WITH IT IS HERE ANYMORE, RIGHT? PARDON? I SAID, RIGHT? I KNOW. RIGHT? OKAY I JUST REVIEWED I SPENT A LOT OF TIME REVIEWING THIS AND REVIEWING THE ORDINANCES TODAY. AND IT'S JUST THE WHOLE THING.
THE WHOLE PROJECT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH OUR ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND WITH WHAT THEY APPLIED TO DO. AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THIS PROJECT . I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THIS BECAUSE I FEEL FOR THEM THAT THEY PUT SO MUCH MONEY AND TIME INTO IT. BUT THEN ME PERSONALLY. I AGREED TO BE ON THE BOARD TO HELP AND I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK TO BE ON THIS BOARD AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS LIKE A SLAP IN THE FACE. IT IS A LONG, VERY NEGATIVE, BUT I'M GOING TO JUST GET IT OUT THERE. I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE TRYING TO COME TO THAT POINT. HOW DO WE GET IT? HOW DO WE FIX WHERE WE'RE AT? HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND EQUITABLE WAY? IT LOOKS LIKE THEY CHANGED THEIR SCOPE TO BECAUSE THEY CHANGED FROM KIND OF THE BUNGALOW TO THE TUNER. SO THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT KIND OF I'M CONFUSED BY, LIKE WHEN THEY STARTED IT. IT WAS GOING ALONG WITH MORE OF THOSE BUNGALOWS THAT YOU SEE, LIKE ON A HUNT STREET AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE'S BUT THE HOMEOWNER FEELS LIKE KNOW THAT THIS IS THIS IS A TUTOR LIKE THE TUTOR IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT SOUND LIKE THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND MIDSTREAM AFTER THEY APPLIED IS THAT POSSIBLE, POSSIBLY, AND SO GENERALLY THAT WERE TO HAPPEN THAT THE PROCEDURE AS NINA WAS POINTING OUT THE PROCEDURE WOULD BE TO COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, I NEED A NEW WAY TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW I APPROACH IT. WHEN I GET AN APPLICATION IN SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, IF THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND, AGOK NEW CEO A TIME WE'VE GOTTA REVISE SOMETHING TO DO AND YOU SELECT NEW CEO A TO UPDATE THAT CHANGE, AND SO THAT'S GENERALLY HOW IT WOULD HAPPEN AS TO THE SCOPE AND THINGS OF THE HOUSE. THE PLAN IS THE SAME. THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE HOUSE IS THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE, AND THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE HAS CHANGED AND SO PRINT HAS CHANGED. DEPARTING. THE FOOTPRINT FOOTPRINT HAS NOT CHANGED. THE FOOTPRINT IS NOT CHANGED. WHAT HAS CHANGED IS LIKE IT DID GET LOWERED, AND PART OF THAT WAS A TOPOGRAPHIC OR TOPOGRAPHICAL ISSUE WITH THIS THE SLOPE OF THE LOT WHERE IT WAS JUST IT WORKED OUT. BETTER TO HAVE A FOUNDATION. THAT WAS, UM AT GRADE RATHER THAN RAISED BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF CHANGE IN SLOPE AS YOU WENT ACROSS THE PROPERTY, AND SO YOU KNOW, THAT WAS APPROVED AS A CHANGE IN 2019 . WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN APPROVAL BY THIS BY CIA AT THAT POINT, EXCUSE ME BY THE HISTORY PRESERVATION OFFICE. AT THAT POINT, I DON'T HAVE A RECORD OF THAT, BUT IT WAS AS A PERMANENT APPROVAL. WHEN THEY LOWERED THE HOUSE AND SO THAT YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T KEEP THE FRONT PORCH DOES STILL HAVE THE FRONT PORCH. IT DOES STILL HAVE THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO PICKETS ON THE FRONT PORCH ANYMORE, BECAUSE IT'S THAT GREAT AND SO THEN AT THAT POINT WHAT IT REALLY LOOKED RIGHT IF IT DID HAVE PICKETS ON THE FRONT PORCH? PROBABLY NOT ANYMORE.
RIGHT THEN IT WOULD. IT MIGHT LOOK MORE AWKWARD TO HAVE THE RAILS, BUT THEY ARE AT LEAST COMING BACK AND MAKING THE COLUMNS WIDER AGAIN SO THAT THEY WILL HAVE MORE OF THAT. MM KIND OF CRAFTS, ARTS AND CRAFTS ARGUMENT, CRAFTSMAN KIND OF VIBE TO IT. AND THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOES BACK TO THAT SAME IDEA OF YES, THEY CHANGED MIDSTREAM, AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO FIX IT. AND TRY TO GET THAT APPROVAL UPDATED, BUT THE QUESTION DOES BECOME. IS IT AN EXAMPLE OF YOU KNOW, ISN'T AN EXAMPLE OF TODAY'S ARCHITECTURE RATHER THAN THE PAST
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ARCHITECTURE, THINKING EQUITABLE APPROACH MIGHT BE OBVIOUSLY THEW ADEQUATELY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ADDRESS THIS APPLICATION AS IF IT WAS TIMELY BEFORE IT GOT THE WORK GOT DONE BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT APPROPRIATENESS OF THE PROJECT ITSELF. CORRECT? NO, NOT A REFERENDUM ON THEM. PROCEDURAL. OF THE ABILITY FOR PROCEDURE. WE'RE PLANS AT THE SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION. I DO NOT KNOW THAT WOULD BE A HELPED INSPECTORS ALWAYS HAVE THEM ON SITE, RECORDS SAID. SOMETIMES TABLET ACCESS IS NOT SO GREAT. SO. TO ASSESS DOESN'T SERVE WELL IN THAT SITUATION. THE OTHER QUESTION WAS THE WINDOWS IN FRONT APPEAR TO SERVE THE LARGE BEDROOM IN FRONT. AND THE VERY LARGE ALL WINDOW THERE. I'M WONDERING IF IT'S OBVIOUS. IT'S A FIXED PAIR OF WINDOWS. IS THAT MADE THE FAR CODE FOR EXIT TO THAT? UM THE WINDOWS IN THE IN THE UPPER GABLE IN THE FRONT GABLE BEFORE NOT EXTENSIVE, FULL FROM THE GABLE. WE SEE THAT AGAIN. THE RIDGE TO THE ROOFTOP. YES, IT DOES EXTEND ALSO. IT WOULDN'T AVAIL ANYONE IN THAT ROOM FOR EXITING OVER THAT ROUGH IF THEY GET OUT, WHICH IS THE BENEFIT OF GLOBAL HIGH. DON'T BELIEVE THAT SECTION IS TWO STORIES, THOUGH. SO THERE'S NO ROOM BEHIND. THERE'S JUST THE ONE THAT THAT SECTION OF THE HOUSE IS NOT TWO STORIES. THE TWO STORIES SECTION IS OVER THE GARAGE. IT'S ACTUALLY INVOLVED INSIDE THE MAIN ROOM IN FRONT. YEAH, SO THAT JUST YOU KNOW, IS ALLOWING MORE LIGHT. AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER EXAMPLES IN TOWN WHERE WE HAVE THE WINDOWS IN THE GABLE. GENERALLY THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER OVER WINDOW IN THE GABLE. BUT I THINK THAT IS THAT SPEAKS TO THAT POINT IN TIME, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, AND IN THE 18 NINETIES, YOU WOULDN'T PUT A GIANT WINDOW IN THE GABLE BECAUSE THAT COSTS MONEY RIGHT? THAT WESTERN SIDE IN THAT WINDOW. YEAH THAT'S TRUE. YOU GET A LOT OF IT WAS UNFORTUNATE THAT RESPECT. YOU KNOW ONE AND I HEAR WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE GOT TO ACT ON. WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THIS HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S BUILT. ITS LANDSCAPED AND, UM AND YOU KNOW, BUT MAYBE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INCONSISTENCIES AS FAR AS WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND, YOU KNOW , MAYBE THIS IS A IS SOMETHING THAT WILL REMIND US OR ARE WE NEED WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THOSE WE NEED TO. YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A FRIEND THAT SHE'S TRYING. SHE'S WORKING ON THE HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS. AND SHE WAS TELLING ME HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET THINGS APPROVED, AND SHE'S TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO WHERE TO WHAT IT WAS. YOU KNOW, BACK THEN, AND SO SHE'S DOING. SHE'S DOING WHAT SHE CAN DO TO BRING THAT HOUSE BY AND SHE'S SHE IS HAVING A HARD TIME AND THAT'S OKAY. YOU MEAN WITH APPROVALS LIKE GETTING LIKE AS JAMES'S POINTING OUT GETTING WINDOWS THAT ARE COMPLIANT, BUT STILL, YEAH. AND THEN BUT THEN WHEN I SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED WHERE, YOU KNOW IT'S NOT WHAT THEY WASN'T THE ORIGINAL PLAN, BUT IT'S BUILT IT IS THERE NOW. AND SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO WORK ON THIS HOUSE? AND WHAT CAN WE DO? LOOKING FORWARD TO TRY TO PREVENT THIS SAME SITUATION FROM HAPPENING? YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT ENFORCEMENT? YOU KNOW , I MEAN, IS DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT GUIDELINES DO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT EDUCATING PEOPLE WHEN THEY MOVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE GUIDELINES IN PLACE. AND. ROD THANKS WERE APPROVED FELT THAT, I GUESS CONSULTING ME. SO I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I THINK RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS HOUSE. CORRECT RIGHT NOW. WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS HOUSE. YES AND WE ARE ADDRESSING EDUCATION FROM A BROAD PERSPECTIVE. FROM INSIDE OUTSIDE ALL AROUND TOWN KIND OF THING.SO UM YES. SO YES, EDUCATION IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY NEEDED TO HAPPEN HERE.
UM YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF ALONG THE WAY AND IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING TO IMPROVE MOVING FORWARD. BUT FOR THIS RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE AS TIM AND MENTION AND YOU REITERATED.
IT'S HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH? HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS HOUSE? SO IT USE AND REPEATING WHAT YOU SAID. THIS SEEMS TO BE A FAILURE OF THE INSPECTOR. AS THEY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED. THE INSPECTIONS SHOULD HAVE HAD THE CEO A SAW THAT THERE WAS INCONSISTENCY WITH SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IT. AT THAT TIME AND DIDN'T RIGHT. AND SO. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT RELUCTANT BECAUSE THERE WAS A MISTAKE BY THE INSPECTOR. UM. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ENTIRELY FAIR THAT THE OWNER DECIDES TO GO AHEAD WITHOUT APPROVAL IS THE SECOND FAILURE, BUT IT IS THE FAILURE
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OF WHICH WE SHOULD BE ABLE EXERCISE MORE CONTROL, RIGHT? SO YES, THERE'S THE FIRST THE OWNER CHANGED. BUT THE INSPECTOR SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT IT JUST LIKE THE OWNER WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE WIRING TO END IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY. THE INSPECTOR SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT. AND SO I'M LOOKING AT WE AS A CITY. WE RELY ON THE SPECTER INSPECTORS TO KNOW THE CODE AND TO KNOW THE KOALAS AND WE ARE MISSED ONE. YES THEY MISSED THEIR HUMAN. YES EXACTLY RIGHT. AND LIKE I SAID 2020 WAS A TOUGH YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH IT WAS A TOUGH YEAR ALL AROUND. SO WE'RE NOW WE'RE DEALT WITH DEALING WITH COMPLETED HOUSE. THAT. SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE WRONG. THEY CHANGED FROM THE WAY THE INSPECTOR DIDN'T STOP IT. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE RESPOND? SO IF WE APPROVE THIS WHAT YOU'RE WANTING OR SUGGESTING WE APPROVE DOES IT. LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT THE STONE WOULD COME OFF AT THE TOP AND GO MORE GO BACK TO SOCIETY SIDING IDEA. SO STILL THE MIXTURE IN THE STONE.IT'S GOING TO BE. IT'S NOT REALLY ARTS AND CRAFT. IT'S NOT REALLY TUTOR. IT'S JUST A NEW HOUSE, AND THEY HAVE CITED THE SIDE DAVID, CITING EVERYWHERE ELSE. YEP DECIDING IS EVERYWHERE. BUT THAT FRONT WITH THE WINDOWS GO BACK TO, UH. SMALLER LIKE THE ORIGINAL DRAWING, NOT NOT IN THE WAY WE HAVE IT. WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. CONTEMPORARY YEAH, IT WOULD. IT WOULD. LOOK IT WOULD LOOK INTO CONTEMPT. SO WE'RE COMING UP WITH A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE AS LITTLE HARM AS AND DIFFICULTY AS POSSIBLE. BUT STILL MAKES IT LOOK AS APPROPRIATE AS POSSIBLE , TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO AND NOT WRITE THE WHOLE THING DOWN RIGHT? AND SOME OF THE CHANGES ARE PRACTICAL CHANGES RIGHT LIKE TAKING THE GLASS BLOCK WINDOWS OUT OF THE SIDE. IT'S PRETTY HARD TO GET GLASS BLOCK NOW. AND SO IT'S BEING A SOLID WINDOW. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. RIGHT AND YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE TEMPERED AND THAT KIND OF THING, BUT I THINK MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW. MOST. LEARNING THING FOR THE PAIR OF WINDOWS STRETCHING FROM THE ROOF TO THE PORTS TO THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE. EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS TO PALE COMPARED TO THAT ONE ASPECT. BE EASIER TO CHANGE THOSE WINDOWS. THEN IT WOULD BE TO CHANGE THIS BRICK STONE. THERE WOULD BE WORKED POWERFUL, PERHAPS IF IT WORKS. ADDUCED WOULD BE LESS COSTLY TO DO THAT. I THAT'S POSSIBILITY. POSSIBILITY. WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE OWNER HERE TONIGHT THAT HE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT AS YOU HAVE THE LEAST PAINFUL WAY TO MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE AND MORE ATTRACTIVE, ARCHITECTURALLY AND THAT AND THAT MAY WORK BECAUSE THEN THE WINDOWS WOULD BE SMALLER. UM ARE YOU SAYING TO COVER THE WINDOWS COMPLETELY REMAKE THEM SMALL JUST LIKE THIS TO GO BACK. YOU KNOW, IF YOU SKETCH IT, YOU'RE BASICALLY WE'RE NOT TRYING TO AS A BOARD TRYING TO DESIGN CAN YOU TAKE IT BACK TO THE PRESENTATION? REALLY TRYING TO AVOID THAT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT THE COMPROMISE. THINK THE WINDOWS AS A COMPROMISE MIGHT BE THE LESS PAINFUL THING TO CHANGE RIGHT? LEAVE THE STONE THERE AND JUST HAVE THE SMALLER WINDOWS. THEY'RE LIKE, TWO GIGANTIC EXCLAMATION MARKS, RIGHT? NO THAT'S YEAH, I'M THINKING IF YOU TAKE THE EXCLAMATION OFF IT MAKES THE STONE MORE PALATABLE. OKAY? TAKE THE WINDOWS OUT COMPLETELY AND JUST MAKE THEM LOOK PRETTY. I THINK JIM SINGS SMALL, JUST REDUCING JUST MAKE THEM WINDOWS INSTEAD OF SOME EXCLAMATION MARK. LIKE THAT MORE ABOUT LIKE, YEAH, MORE TO THE CEO LEAVING THE STONE THERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY MAKING THE WINDOWS SMALLER AND ADDING MORE STONE TO FILL UP THE WHOLE CAN AGAIN AGREEING WITH HIM THAT WE'RE NOT HERE TO DESIGN THE PERSON THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID, BUT FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW. THAT'S THE MOST LEARNING THING ABOUT NOT TO STONE BUT THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO WHAT WAS ORIGINAL C AWAY. THEY ARE BIGGER. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A LIABILITY TO THE HOUSE FROM NOW ON, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO GET WESTERN SUN AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AGAIN THIS PUTS ME IN DESIGN POSITION WHICH TOO READILY ACCEPT RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T WANT TO. HONEST TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO THE OWNER AND REASONABLE AND TO COME UP WITH AMICABLE SOLUTION THAT MAKES EVERYONE HAPPY. I THINK I THINK I'M GOING TO BACK OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT TO SAY. MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF COMING TO YOU WITH ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE VIEW OF THE HOUSE. ACCEPTABLE FOR SIERRA OKAY? THAT MAKES SENSE. IT DOES. IT DOES THAT THAT IS AN OPTION. I HADN'T CONSIDERED CHANGING THE WINDOWS , BUT BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THAT COULD DEFINITELY CHANGE THE FACADE. THIS WAY. THE OWNER
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COULD STILL KEEP THEIR STONE, WHICH THEY SEEM LIKE THE SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, RATHER THAN I'M SURE THE EXPENSE WOULD BE THAT'S THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE EXPENSE RIGHT THERE. YOU ALMOST LOSE LOSE TO FINISH ON THE ROOF OF THE PORCH ENTIRELY THAT WAY, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY YOU MIGHT SALVAGE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND STILL COME UP. A BETTER SOLUTION. OKAY IT MIGHT BE A WINDOW INSTEAD OF EXCLAMATION. WHAT WHAT ABOUT THE COLUMNS? ARE YOU? I THINK THIS MAKES SENSE, SHE SAID. SHE'S GOING TO MAKE THE COLUMNS WIDER. THIS IS BRILLIANT BECAUSE THAT VENEER IS ABOUT THREE INCHES LEFT BETWEEN THIS WOOD AND STONE FACE. AND AS YOU AND I KNOW THAT WOULD COLLINS GOING TO BRING QUICK WATER DOWN IN THERE? IT'S GONNA BUST OFF. THEY'RE VERY SHORT TIME SO MORE AND MASONRY MAKES IT MORE STABLE ON THE COLONIES ON THE COLUMN. VICE. YEAH, SHE'S GOING TO MAKE IT 15. SO IT'LL IT'LL COME OUT AND TOUCH THE END OF THE EDGE OF THE PORCH ALL THE WAY AROUND, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S WHY SHE'S NOT MAKING IT THE 18 BECAUSE THEN THAT THREE INCHES OF STONE WOULD HANG OVER THE PORCH AND THE STONE ITSELF.THAT'S GOING TO BROADEN UP THE STONE ITSELF THAT WOULD GIVE PROTECTION FOR THE BASE AND MAKE IT MORE PROPORTIONATE. YEP, NOT LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT. YES, IT WOULD. THAT'S MINIMAL COST RIGHT THERE, AND I BELIEVE SHE STARTED THAT ALREADY OR STARTING IT SOON. IT'S ALREADY STARTED. SO WE'RE THROWING THAT IDEAS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE HOMEOWNER. WELL, WAIT. I MEAN, WE ACTUALLY HE'S WHAT WOMEN'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE. SO HER REPRESENTATIVE CHRIS SO WE CAN WE CAN YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT COSTS AND THEY MADE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO DO ONE THING OVER THE OTHER AND LET'S JUST SEE WHAT THEY PROPOSE. SO WE GIVE OUR COMMENTS AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK. WE POSTPONE IT FOR THIS. WE COULD WE COULD TABLE IT RIGHT? YEAH, WE COULD TABLE IT. SO IF YOU'RE COMMENTATING IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? I HOPE FOR THAT, OR DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM WILL? I MEAN WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE WHETHER YOU PREFER REPLACING THOSE BIG GAME, STONE WAS STARTING OR CHANGING THE WINDOWS THAT YOU GET A PREFERENCE. OF THOSE TWO. YES, I'LL STAND UP. IF YOU'LL GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION AND GIVE YOUR NAME. AN ADDRESS. SURE EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS CHRIS JENNINGS. MY ADDRESS IS 4601.
AVENIDA LANE. KENNY, TEXAS, 75070. NEW TO THE AREA, SO STILL GOING TO LOOK AT THAT. GRATEFUL TO BE HERE. I APPRECIATE THE JUST THIS IS OUTSIDE OF MY AREA OF EXPERTISE FOR SURE. I'M A FRIEND OF THE HOMEOWNER, AND SHE'S ACTUALLY THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IN TEXAS. WE'RE GETTING READY TO MOVE TO ARIZONA. HEARD MY WIFE MET AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE MOVING THERE. MCKINNEY BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC AREAS. SO I JUST BEING A PART OF THIS AND SEEING HOW YOU ALL I'M STARTING TO GET IT AND STARTED ARGUING. GOT THE ALL IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, FROM CALIFORNIA. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALLOWED, BUT, UM, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, REALLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF THIS CITY. THE PURPOSE FOR ME TO BE HERE IS HIS MISS STEELE. YOU KNOW THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2019 YOU KNOW, AND AH! SHE'S AN INTERESTING FRIEND AND SOMEONE TO TAKE ON GENERAL CONTRACTING THEIR OWN. I DON'T KNOW. BUILD NEW BUILD. I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT TO BITE OFF WHEN YOU HAVE A FULL TIME JOB, AND YOU KNOW, FAMILY.
UNFORTUNATELY SHE'S RECENTLY BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A FRIEND.
I'M HERE IN HAVE WORKED TOGETHER WITH PAUL UPON APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION AND EXPLANATION OF EVERYTHING. AH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE , YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE HERE TO EXTEND THE HOMEOWNER'S DESIRE TO WORK IN AN AMIABLE WAY WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, YOU KNOW, BEING OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND NOT UNDERSTANDING. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PART TIME GENERAL CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW. I THINK I BELIEVE THAT SHE JUST GOT OVERWHELMED WITH IT ALL AND BEFORE WE KNEW IT BEFORE SHE KNEW IT, THINGS WERE OCCURRING. THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU KNOW? CONTRACTORS WERE SAYING, NO, WE CAN'T DO THIS. WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS AND SHE'S YOU KNOW ONE OF THOSE FRIENDS THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE THE CONTRACTOR. I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, SO YOU KNOW? SHE WOULD WANT ME TO EXTEND, YOU KNOW, SINCERE APOLOGY SHE DID WANT TO OR INTEND TO. YOU KNOW, DISRUPT THE NORMAL FLETCHER OF THE. OF
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THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL THAT SHE HAS BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE IN WITH A TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY CERTIFICATION PENDING YOU KNOW AN AMIABLE WORKOUT WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMITTEE SO YES . YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT HEY, IT'S DONE THAT'S BUILT IN. SHE IS UNDER A LOT OF STRESS, OBVIOUSLY , WITH THE DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT. YOU KNOW, MONEY IS TIGHT FOR HER. BUT SHE WANTS YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT. HEY YOU KNOW, SHE WANTS OBVIOUSLY TO REPRESENT , YOU KNOW THE DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY HISTORICAL AREA. AS CLOSELY YOU KNOW, AND WITHIN WITHIN THE ABILITY, YOU KNOW. CERTAINLY. YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN GREAT TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. SO, UM. TABLING THIS AND BEING ABLE TO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS BACK TO HER. AND THEN. COME BACK, MAYBE IN FEBRUARY ONE DEFENSE OR, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO WRAP THIS UP HERE PRETTY QUICK.I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE ON HER BEHALF, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, I GOT A FULL TIME JOB. AND, YOU KNOW, FAMILY TOO. SO YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EVERYTHING HE HAS TO DO AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
YEAH. I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS ANYBODY SPECIFICALLY SO AND, UM. YOU KNOW, I WROTE DOWN SOME SOME LITTLE NOTES. THEY REALLY DO THINK IT WAS JUST A OVERSIGHT OF TWO YEARS ON TOP OF A PERSON WHO IS VERY AMBITIOUS, BUT NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT'S YOU KNOW? NOT IN THE PROFESSION IN GENERAL, CONTRACTING FOR SURE , AND THEN BEING LED BY CONTRACTORS THAT IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PORCH. COLUMNS. YOU KNOW THE. MASON GUY SAID. WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE CAN'T MAKE THEM THAT WIDE. WELL, YOU KNOW. IN HEAT. HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO. HE JUST WANT TO TAKE THE TIME AND PUT THAT MORE. MORE TIME IN, YOU KNOW, AND WHILE HANG OFF AND SO SHE JUST OKAY, I GUESS YOU KNOW, AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A CIRCUMSTANCE OF JUST THAT, UM.
BUT SHE WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, YOU KNOW SHE'S HAD HER SURGERY AND SHE'S ON THE MEND. AND SHE HAS BEEN YOU KNOW? SHE'S CANCELED FREE AT THIS POINT. YEAH, SO THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. YOU KNOW, SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TONIGHT IS THE FENCE THING ON THE AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY, NOT BUILDING STILL WANTS TO FAR AS. THANK YOU FOR BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS. YES, THANK YOU. THE DEFENSE DEFENSE IS NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY. YET LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WAITING FOR BUILDING TO DECIDE. THEY WANT TO PROCEED ON THAT. BE NICE TO GET THEM BOTH ON THE AGENDA TOGETHER. IT'S NOT WRITTEN YET.
SO IT'S ONLY A DRAFT. SO YOU THINK WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO TALK TO JAMES, OR GET SOME SOME VICE AT HER RESERVE WAYS. DO YOU THINK SHE'D BE WILLING TO TALK TO SOMEBODY TO GET SOME SUGGESTIONS OR SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHE'S AGREED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE WITH THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY ASPECTS THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE TO DO LIKE YOU KNOW, SHE'D LIKE TO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THE STONE OFF OF THE GABLE, YOU KNOW? AND EXPANSION. BUT SHE ALSO UNDERSTANDS YOU KNOW THAT. HEY, THIS IS A THE SHE WENT OUTSIDE OF THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW , UNFORTUNATELY, AND I SAID TO HER HEY, YOU WENT OUTSIDE OF THE PROCESS. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO GO BACK WITH THESE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE APPROVED.
HANDS AGAIN, SHE SAID. IT WASN'T OUT OF YOU KNOW IT WAS IT JUST KIND OF ALL HAPPENED AS IT WAS GOING AND SHE'S I DON'T KNOW. IF YOU EVER MEET HER. SHE'S GOING 100 MILES AN HOUR, YOU KNOW, AND 10 DIFFERENT WAYS. SO BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE REALITY. SHE IS ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO WORK. THERE ARE SOME FINANCIAL ASPECTS TO HOW MUCH WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW THAT WILL BE
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ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT SHE'S COMMITTED TO IT, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL DO WHATEVER I CAN TO HELP OUT. WELL WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND, UM AND WE APPRECIATE MAYBE LET YOU KNOW, GIVING HER SOME IDEAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY AND, UM. IS THIS RECORDED THESE RECORDED THAT I CAN SHARE WITH HER? YES IT IS. YES. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND FOLLOW UP WITH HER WITHIN THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE AND SAY THIS IS WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO KNOW IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THIS, AND THEY'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN IF YOU'RE CONDUCIVE TO THOSE CHANGES, OKAY? NO, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE TO ADD, BUT AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE INSPECTOR'S JOB IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT PROTECTS THE HOMEOWNERS, TOO, BECAUSE IT IS EASY TO GET TALKED INTO THINGS FROM CONTRACTORS AND YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN ALL THESE EXTENUATING SERVICE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH COVID, ETCETERA. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE MANAGING THIS BY YOURSELF, AND YOU'VE GOT A CREW OF CONTRACTORS TELLING YOU THIS IS GOING TO GO. I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF PRESSURE TO. SO THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST ONE MORE REASON WHY WE NEED THEM TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS STUFF BECAUSE ALL OF THIS HEARTACHE COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. AND YOU KNOW SO. OKAY FOR ME. OKAY? ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, SO THIS IS THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO DOES ANYONE ELSE. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? GUESS OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD DEAL, SO. I NEED FIRST. I NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY, MR WEST SECOND I THINK IT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT, AND ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND.OKAY SO THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED. SO NOW DO WE WANT TO SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT TABLING THIS TO OUR NEXT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS. OKAY 1-0091 C OH, A. TILL FEBRUARY. OKAY DO I HAVE A SECOND? THAT MOTION? SECOND OKAY . AND ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. MALL WEARING ANY MORE DISCUSSION. OKAY, LET'S TAKE A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSE OKAY. UNANIMOUSLY PASSES THAT WE WILL TABLE IT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND WE APPRECIATE HER LOOKING AT THIS AND WORKING WITH US ON IT. WE REALLY DO EAT. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT, AND WE CAN'T ASK ONE PERSON TO FOLLOW A SET OF GUIDELINES. AND I KNOW SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE HER WORKING WITH US ON IT. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU OR HER MAYBE, UH, NEXT MONTH, CLARIFY FOR THE TABLE NG WE ARE WANTING TO SEE PROPOSALS ONE OR MORE PROPOSALS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. SO THE PROPOSALS WILL COME FROM THE HOUND ON HER OR HER REPRESENTATIVE. AND BROKEN WELL, WE'LL PICK UP THE CONVERSATION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE AN AMENDED HAVE OKAY? BUT AND SHE'LL WORK WITH PAULA YES. OKAY? OKAY? OKAY DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY DO THE BOARD
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MEMBERS OR STAFF HAVE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION ONE THING, IF, UM, WE WERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A RELATIVELY NEW BOARD AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES ARE OF HAVING A WORK SESSION? JUST WITH US. I MEAN, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY TO JUST KIND OF MAYBE DISCUSS, YOU KNOW , I DON'T KNOW. I'D LIKE TO SEE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND MAYBE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THINGS. YOU KNOW THAT CONCERNS BROUGHT TO US OR MAYBE YOU KNOW WHAT WE FEEL LIKE OUR ROLE IS AS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I'D LIKE THAT. FOR YOUR HOME. UM OKAY. IS IT WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE IT LIKE START? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO START A MEETING EARLY AND JUST OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A DIFFERENT SEPARATE DAY? DOES IT DURING THE WORK DAY. WOULD BE TOUGH FOR ME TOUGH FOR ME, TOO.AREN'T SOME OF US GO TO THE OFFICE.
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OKAY AND I THINK MAYBE IF WE STARTED EARLY, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO. WOULD THAT BE? WOULD THAT WORK IF WE DIDN'T LIKE IT FOR I THINK THAT WILL WORK FOR ME. I COULD DO FOUR. I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED SO THAT WOULD GIVE US AN HOUR OR SO BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING. SO IF WE BEGAN THAT MEETING FOR THAT WOULD GIVE US AN HOUR OR SO BEFORE THE MEETING AT 5 30. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGEST? NOT EVERY TIME WRITING. NO, JUST ONE. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH DONE WHERE YOU GO OVER THE ORDINANCES AND MAYBE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH SCOTT. WE COULD SHARE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WE FOUND OUT BACK THEN. THINGS LIKE THAT, OKAY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? OKAY. MCWILLIAMS BOARD MEMBER MCWILLIAMS, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT BOARD MEMBER AND RINGLEY ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY ALL RIGHT.WE'RE GOOD. IT IS SIX.
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