Apr 26, 2022 City Council Work Session on 2022-04-26 4:00PM

[CALL TO ORDER]

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WE R TODAY IS TUESDAY, APRIL 26TH YEAR 2022 ARE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS IN 2 22 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET. CITY OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS . THIS IS CITY COUNCIL WORK

[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]

ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS OPTION THAT I FIND CONCERNING IS THAT IT SEEMS BASED ON THE RENDERS THAT IT WILL REQUIRE, OR NEARLY REQUIRE A CONVERSION OF ONE WAY. TWO WAY OF LOUISIANA AND VIRGINIA. ON I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT I AM STRONGLY AGAINST THAT BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE MOTIVATIONS ARE FOR IT. BUT AS A PEDESTRIAN, UM, THINKING ABOUT THOSE STREETS BEING TWO WAY THROUGH THE SQUARE, IT SEEMS A BIT MORE FORMIDABLE TO TRY TO CROSS THEM ONE WAY STREETS. THEY FEEL A BIT EASIER TO CROSS THE PEDESTRIAN. BECAUSE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE TRAFFIC IS LOWER. SO YOU'RE STANDING ON A SIDEWALK. YOU WANT TO CROSS? YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE TO LOOK ONE WAY. THE CARS ARE ONLY COMING FROM ONE WAY, SO THERE'S NOT TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH. UM SO, YES, I HAVE THOSE FEW ISSUES WITH OPTION ONE. ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP. THIS IS MY LAST POINT. UM I WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY SEE INCREASED CONNECTIVITY OUTSIDE OF JUST THAT ONE INTERSECTION. UM I PERSONALLY I LIKE TO CROSS AT DIFFERENT POINTS AT HIGHWAY FIVE. I HAVE SOME FRIENDS WHO LIVE EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE. THEY DON'T REALLY FIND IT CONVENIENT TO USE THAT INTERSECTION. THE LIGHT TAKES A LONG TIME THEY HONESTLY FIND THEY CAN GET ACROSS EASIER BY JUST STANDING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THEN GOING FOR IT. WHEN THE TRAFFIC COMES DOWN. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET TO WORK ACROSS HIGHWAY FIVE. IT LOOKS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. SO SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT I REALLY LIKED. I LIVED THERE FOR A WHILE, UM. WHAT FINISHED THAT SENTENCE IF YOU LIVE THERE FOR A WHILE, WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, THEY HAVE, UM PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC LIGHTS THERE THE WAY THESE FUNCTIONS ARE, I BELIEVE FAIRLY SIMILAR TO A FIRE STATION. LIGHT AWARE THERE ARE ALWAYS GREEN OR THEY'RE ALWAYS OFF. THEY'RE NOT IMPEDING AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC THERE ACTUALLY MINIMALLY IMPACTING VEHICULAR MOBILITY BECAUSE THE CARS ARE JUST GOING AND WHEN YOU DO HAVE A PEDESTRIAN WILL WALK UP THE PRESS THE BUTTON AND IT WILL CYCLE TO READ. AND SO THE THING THAT PEDESTRIANS ARE ALREADY DOING CROSSING THE STREET IN PLACES WHERE THEY WANT TO. WILL BE ABLE TO HELP THEM DO THAT, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM DO IT SAFELY ON A ROAD THAT IS ALREADY PRETTY DANGEROUS. UM ONE THING A COUPLE THINGS YOU KNOW ABOUT THE SIGNALS THAT I GIVE YOU THAT EXTRA TIME WHEN YOU FINISH THAT THOUGHT, BUT HEY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR EXPRESSING THOSE OPINIONS AND BEING ENGAGED. LOT OF TIMES, PEOPLE JUST TAKE THE CHATTER AND THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVELY. WOULD YOU JUST DID WAS TREMENDOUSLY CONSTRUCTIVE AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THE POINTS THAT YOU JUST MADE. DISCUSSED AS WE GO THROUGH THOSE OPTIONS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND CONSTRUCTIVELY ENGAGING IN THE PROCESS. IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE RARE. QUITE REFRESHING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM WORD SESSION ITEM.

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[State Highway 5 Downtown Pedestrian Connection Feasibility Study Update]

I'M NOT GONNA READ THESE THROUGH THERE. YOU CAN SEE THEM. AND THEN SO ON OUR OVERVIEW OF THE STUDY IS FIRST AND WAITERS. THE TEAM WE HAVE ARE GREAT. CROSS FUNCTIONAL TEAM OF CITY STAFF, UM, RANGES FROM MAIN STREET ENGINEERING PLANNING FIRE DEPARTMENT'S BEEN INCLUDED, UM, MANAGER'S OFFICE REALLY A GREAT TEAM, MAKING SURE THAT ALL ASPECTS OF THE COMMUNITY BEING LOOKED AT AS WE EVALUATE THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE HAVE THE COGS STAFF MEMBERS AS PART OF THIS TEAM, THEY ARE ACTUALLY HELPING FUND. THIS STUDY. UM THROUGH OFFSETTING SOME FEES THROUGH ANOTHER ANOTHER GRANT PROGRAM. BUT THEY KEEP MAKING THE CITY HOLE ON AS WE EVALUATE THIS ALTERNATIVE. AND THEN THE LAST WE HAVE OUR DESIGN TEAM. CAN WE HORN? WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR STAFF MEMBERS HERE FROM KIM LEE HORN. THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT RESOURCE. I'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. WE'RE EXCITED TO SHOW YOU THE HARD WORK THEY HAVE DONE. THE MAIN ELEMENTS THAT ARE SCOPE INCLUDED THE FIRST DEVELOPING AND A EVALUATION CRITERIA. SO AS WE LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A CRITERIA THAT YOU CAN EFFECTIVELY EVALUATE. EACH ALTERNATIVE AGAINST ONE AGAINST THE OTHER. WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.

SCENARIOS WERE ALSO DOING THE ENGINEERING EVALUATION, HIGH LEVEL ENGINEERING EVALUATION OF EACH ONE OF THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH ONE OF THESE OPTIONS IS FEASIBLE. THE LAST PART OF OUR MAJOR PART OF OUR SCOPE IS PUBLIC OUTREACH, WHICH WILL BE MOVING INTO LATER THIS SUMMER.

HAVING CITIZEN COMMENTS HERE NOW IS GREAT. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE DURING OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH WHEN WE HAVE THAT THIS SUMMER. SOME KEY TAKEAWAYS WE WANT FROM THIS AFTERNOON'S MEETING FOR YOU. THIS IS INFORMAL. THIS IS INFORMATION ONLY. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY SPECIFIC DIRECTION AS WE MOVE FORWARD FROM TODAY. THIS IS AGAIN THE BEGINNING OF OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. ALL THE OPTIONS. WE'VE LOOKED AT OUR VIABLE. THEY JUST RANGE IN DIFFERENT LEVELS OF COMPLEXITY AND COST. ALL THE ALTERNATIVES AGAIN BEEN DESIGNED TO BEST IN CLASS OBJECTIVE TO MAKE IT EASIER TO COMPARE THEM IF WE IF WE TAKEN AWAY AN ELEMENT DURING ONE OF THE DIFFERENT DESIGN OPTIONS, IT'S HARDER TO COMPARE ITS VIABILITY TO ANOTHER ONE WHEN YOU DON'T NOT LOOKING AT APPLES AND APPLES, AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE CONCEPTS HERE. THESE ARE JUST CONCEPTS. THESE ARE NOT FINAL DESIGNS. SO IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE FINAL DESIGN ON AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE ARE NOT LIKE THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE ON THE ALTERNATIVE NOW WHEN WE MOVE INTO THE FINAL DESIGN PHASE OF A PARTICULAR ALTERNATIVE, WE CAN REFINE THAT. DESIGN CONCEPT. A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE TIMELINE. WE KICKED THE STUDY OFF IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR IN JANUARY. WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK SINCE THEN. WE'RE HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF IT BEFORE WE MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH THIS SUMMER. AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE BACK AT THE END OF THE SUMMER WITH THE IMPACT OR THE RECAP OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. BUT THEN ALSO GETTING DIRECTION FROM YOU AT THE END OF THE SUMMER ON AN OPTION WE WANT TO TAKE TO TEXTILE AND THEN THIS FALL PARTNER WITH TEXT DOT AND THE STAFF TO MOVE THE SELECTED ALTERNATIVE FORWARD AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE OVERALL HIGHWAY FIVE PROJECT. AS I MENTIONED ONE OF OUR MAIN ALTERNATIVE, UH, OUR MAIN, UH OBJECTIVES WAS HERE TO CREATE AN EVALUATION MATRIX SO YOU CAN INFECT EFFECTIVELY COMPARE EACH ALTERNATIVE. SO WE HAVE FIVE BROAD CATEGORIES, WITH SOME INFORMATION UNDERNEATH EACH ONE THAT WILL COMPARE ALL ALTERNATIVES TO WELL, WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU AT THE END OF THE SUMMER WILL HAVE THIS FILLED OUT WITH THAT INFORMATION. BUT THE FIVE BROADCASTER GOREY'S OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. MOBILITY AND ACCESS. COMPATIBILITY ECONOMIC FACTORS AND THEN COORDINATION AND APPROVALS. THE FOUR ALTERNATIVES WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT. OR THE DECK PARK, WHICH WAS

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STUDY OUR CORRIDOR. STAFF WAS NEVER EXCITED ABOUT WHAT TRADITIONALLY TEXT THAT DOES ON THE DESIGN. WE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS WE KNEW IT WASN'T WHAT WE WANTED FOR THE AREA AND WE WERE CHALLENGED TO THINK OF SOMETHING BIGGER. SO THE DEBT PART WAS THAT IDEA THAT KICKED IT OFF? UM THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS THE GREAT SEPARATED INVERTED DEBT PARK AND AN ENHANCED CROSSING AT GRADE AND THEN TODAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW IT, BUT IT'S THE FOURTH ALTERNATIVE COMPARES WHAT TEXT THAT WOULD NORMALLY DO. THAT STAFF WAS NEVER REALLY A FAN OFT ALTERNATIVES IN THE WORD DEVELOPING THESE, WE HAD SOME BASELINE GUIDELINES TO HELP INFORM US AND HELP MOVE US FORWARD IN OUR DEVELOPMENT OF THE ALTERNATIVES. AGAIN THOSE ARE STRENGTHENING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND THE AREAS TO THE EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE. THE REDEVELOPING WE WANT TO MAINTAIN VEHICULAR MOBILITY. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF HOW PEOPLE GET TO AND FROM DOWNTOWN AND OTHER BUSINESSES. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO IMPROVE THE NINE VEHICULAR SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR. WE WANT TO PROVIDE A COMMUNITY CENTER DESIGN. THAT KIND OF REALLY AMPLIFIES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN DOWNTOWN. WE WANT TO CONNECT THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS DISCONNECTED WHEN HOW IF I WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED BACK IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES. AND THEN AGAIN, WE WANT TO ENHANCE THE DOWNTOWN MAKE THIS A FOCAL POINT AND PROVIDE ANOTHER GATHERING SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN LASTLY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE EACH ONE OF THE DESIGN CONCEPTS WE LOOKED AT WAS TECHNICALLY FEASIBLE, ALSO PHYSICALLY SUSTAINABLE. SO THE FUN PART AND WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO BE. HERE IS THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES. SO AS OUR DESIGN CONSULTANTS PUT THIS TOGETHER. THEY WANTED AN INSPIRATION. THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT'S WAVES AND THEY ALSO WANT TO KIND OF A PRECEDENT. WHERE HAVE THEY SEEN THIS IN REAL LIFE TODAY? AND SO FOR THE DECK PARK OPTION, THERE WAS PACIFIC PLAZA IN DALLAS REPRESENTED THAT WAVE CONCEPT.

SO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THIS CONCEPT WITH THE DECK PARK AND LET ME IMITATE. YOU CAN SEE HOW WE FIVE RIGHT THROUGH HERE THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE PARK. WE'VE GOT VIRGINIA ON THE NORTH LOUISIANA ON THE SOUTH AND THEN EACH. ONE OF THESE LITTLE NUMBERS REPRESENTS A FEATURE UP HERE ALONG THE PHOTOGRAPHS. THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS REPRESENT WHAT COULD BE ACHIEVED ON EACH ONE OF THESE. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, HOPEFULLY THE PRONOUNCED LITTLE BIT CLEAR.

BUT THAT WAS THE CONCEPT ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. BUT YOU CAN SEE A VERY LARGE DEBT PARK HERE THAT ACHIEVES SEPARATION FROM VEHICLES AS THEY AS YOU PRODUCTIONS MOVE EAST AND WEST ACROSS THE CORRIDOR. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SHOW YOU THESE THREE ARE THESE RENDERINGS OF WHAT EACH OPTION IS. THE PLAN VIEW DOES LOOKS GREAT, BUT ACTUALLY TO SEE IT IN PERSON OR IN WHAT? WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE IN REAL LIFE. JUST REALLY ELEVATES. SO THIS PARTICULAR PHOTOGRAPH IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. OF THE DECK APART. LOOKING NORTH , YOU CAN SEE HOW IF I BEING DEPRESSED GOING UNDERNEATH THE DECK PARK AS IT GOES NORTH, UM YOU CAN SEE THE COLLIN COUNTY UM , HISTORY MUSEUM OVER HERE ON THE WEST SIDE. WE WANT THAT TO BE A FOCAL POINT, AND IT KIND OF ANCHOR THE WHOLE PARK AS HE CAME ACROSS, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE LAWN GOING EAST AND WEST ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FIVE. THAT LOOKS BIG ENOUGH TO PLAY SEVEN ON SEVEN. FOOTBALL IS A PRETTY GOOD SIZE.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ACREAGE OF IT, BUT IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT BEST OF CLASS. THIS PHOTO IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGHWAY FIVE LOOKING WEST VIRGINIA'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE GRAPHIC IN LOUISIANA ON THE ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND YOU CAN SEE HIGHWAY FIVE GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE. THIS IS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE DECK PARK LOOKING NORTHWEST ACROSS THE PARK. THIS IS GENERALLY THE SAME AREA THIS IS WOULD BE WHAT WAS ALL USES THE TERM KIND OF FRONTAGE ROAD OR OFF RAMP TO GET FROM HIGHWAY FIVE TO LOUISIANA, BUT THEN LOOKING ACROSS AT GROUND LEVEL ACROSS THE PARK. THIS IS A THE HIGHWAY FIVE AND, UM VIRGINIA INTERSECTION ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PARK. LOOKING SOUTHWEST. YOU CAN SEE THE CHESTNUT WATER TANK IN THE IN THE BACKGROUND THERE. THE SMALLER IMAGE ON THE RIGHT KIND OF GIVES YOU A VIEW OF LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF GOING UNDERNEATH THE DECK PARK THERE FOR THAT. AS WE LOOKED AT EACH OF THE ALTERNATIVES,

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OH, BOY, I REALLY BROKE IT NOW. TIME OUT HERE. MAN. OKAY, HERE WE GO. SO WITH THIS OPTION ON THE DECK PARK TO ACHIEVE THAT DEPRESSION ON HIGHWAY FIVE, WE HAVE TO GO BASICALLY BACK FROM ANTHONY ALL THE WAY UP TO, UM UH, LAMAR HUNT STREET WITH THE DEPRESSION, AND SO TO ACHIEVE THAT IT TAKES A LOT OF RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION, AND SO THIS PARTICULAR OPTION WOULD HAVE IMPACTS THAT 27 DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. CAN YOU GET THE SIDE PLEASE? JUST A PROBLEM WITH THE FILE SIZE TOO BIG. I GOT PRONOUNCE THAT COULD HOLD. WITH.

OKAY SO AS PART OF THE STUDY, WE WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A TECHNICAL SUMMARY FOR YOU ON EACH OF THESE

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FOLLOWING WITH YOUNG CAN YOU SEE IT? BEGIN TO SEE IT HERE. OBVIOUSLY. YOUR BROADCAST WOULD BE GREAT. BUT OKAY. ABLE. TO OPEN IT ON THE IPAD. OKAY, WELL, I'VE GOT A HARD COPY. I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHEN TO TURN THE PAGE ON YOUR WHAT PAGE YOU'RE ON. OKAY? OKAY SO THE CONCEPTUAL ALTERNATIVE FOR THE DECK PART WHAT WE TRY TO DO ON THIS ON THIS GRAPHIC IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ON A BROAD LEVEL, HOW THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE GOING TO COMPARE TO EACH OTHER. AND SO WHAT WE REPRESENTED ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE IS THE DESIGN COMPLEXITY. UM THESE ELEMENTS FOR THE DECK PARK OR ON THE HIGHER SIDE. THEY'RE KIND OF A MORE COMPLEX DESIGN THERE A HIGHER COST OPTION. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, THOUGH, ON THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY BEYOND LOUISIANA, VIRGINIA JUST TO THE NATURE OF THE RETAINING WALLS ALONG THE PROJECT, IT STARTS TO DECREASE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY. OUTSIDE OF VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE WE'RE THIS ONE MAY SCORE A LITTLE BIT LOWER IS THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY? SO IF YOU TURN TO YOUR NEXT PAGE, HOW DOES THE WATER WHEN YOU START GOING IN THERE? HOW DOES WATER WHAT WAS IN THERE? HOW ARE WE GETTING THE WATER OUT? SO WE'LL HAVE A DRAINAGE SYSTEM AT THE BASE OF THE OF THE UNDERPASS , AND WE'LL HAVE. WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THE GRADES AND YOU CAN GO WITH POSITIVE DRAINAGE JUST USING GRAVITY. WILL DRAIN FROM THERE ALL THE WAY OUT. 2500 FT.

EAST TO OLD SETTLERS INTO THAT CREEK OVER THERE WE HAVE ENOUGH FALL AS YOU GO FAR ENOUGH TO THE EAST. WE CAN HAVE ACTUALLY GREAT. UH DRAIN JUST BY GRAVITY. SO IT WORKS. IT'S JUST A CHALLENGE TO GO. 30 FT. DEEP 2500 FT. SO THAT'S AMAZING. WE HAVE THAT MUCH GRAVITY THERE. I WOULD HAVE LOST A BET ON THAT ONE KIND OF SURPRISED US AS WELL. FLIPPING OVER TO THE. THE ALTERNATIVE NUMBER TWO FOR THE GREAT SEPARATED INVERTED DECK PARK. THE INSPIRATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR UM UH, ALTERNATIVE WAS RINGS AND THE PRESIDENT WAS THE GALLERY GALAXY CIVIL PLAZA PARK IN BEIJING. FLIPPING TO THE NEXT SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE THE GREAT SEPARATED DECK PARK. WE'VE GOTTA HOW WE FIVE CROSSES OVER RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DECK , PART OF THE INVERTED PARK THAT PARK IS SUNKEN BELOW AND CROSSES UNDERNEATH HIGHWAY FIVE. UM YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF ON THE EAST SIDE. WE'VE GOT GOOD. SORRY BUT I WANNA WANNA CALL JUST A FIVE MINUTE RECESS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I KNOW I'M GETTING TEXT TO. THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING HIM AND QUITE DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE THIS. PLUS JUST, OF COURSE FOR HISTORICAL REFERENCE, AND THEY GO BACK AND WATCH IT. WE PAUSE. I'M SURE THAT SOMEHOW WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO JUST TO WHERE WE CAN SO CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND FIGURE THAT OUT? QUICK. SORRY TO

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BACK IN SESSION. THANK YOU AND SORRY FOR THE DELAY IS IMPORTANT . WE APOLOGIZE MAYOR FOR THAT TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY, SO I'M GOING TO BACK UP AND, UM, KIND OF PICK UP BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT ALTERNATIVE NUMBER ONE. JUST REPEAT A FEW THINGS JUST IN CASE IT WAS KIND OF CHOPPY THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION. SO WE JUST LEFT OFF WITH TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC OPERATION. WE THINK THAT MAKES WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK AND SO BUT TO ACHIEVE THIS OVERALL CONCEPT FOR THE DECK PARK, IT REQUIRES QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY ACQUISITION TO MAKE AN ACHIEVE THE DEPRESSION. THAT'S 30 FT. DEEP. AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE FOR ACCESS TO LOUISIANA AND VIRGINIA OFF OF HIGHWAY FIVE. IN THIS SCENARIO, WE WERE IMPACTING 27 DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. SOME ARE SOME FULL ACQUISITIONS. SOME ARE JUST PARCEL ACQUISITIONS, BUT NONETHELESS, 27 PROPERTIES WILL BE IMPACTED AND JUST ALSO FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE EMAIL OUR MAILED OUT NOTICES TO EACH ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THE LAST FEW WEEKS JUST SO THEY WOULD BE AWARE OF. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THE WORK SESSION TODAY. WE PREPARED A HIGH LEVEL TECHNICAL SUMMARY FOR EACH ONE OF THE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS. SO FOR THE DEBT PARK JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THE ITEMS STRUCTURAL WILL BE HAVING TO CREATE RETAINING WALLS CONSTRUCT RETAINING WALLS. THERE ARE 30 FT, PLUS DEEP. UM WE WERE HIGHLIGHTING THE DRAINAGES SECOND AGO, BUT TO MAKE THIS DRAIN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GRAVITY DRAIN FROM THE DEPRESSION OUT TO THE CREEK AND OLD SETTLER'S PARK. IT'S ABOUT A 25 100 FT. LONG DEEP TUNNEL OR, YOU KNOW THAT HAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED OVER THAT WAY, BUT IT'S DOABLE FOR SURE. THE COST RANGE FOR THE DECK. PARK OPTION IS AROUND 50 TO $70 MILLION AGAIN THAT DOES NOT COVER THE COST OF CONSTRUCTING THE PARK OPERATING THE PARK, MAINTAINING THE PARK PROGRAM THE PARK. THIS IS JUST CONSTRUCTING THE FOOTPRINT THAT APART COULD BE THEN PUT ON. WE WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME HIGH LEVEL. UM ALTERNATIVE COMPARISONS FOR EACH ONE OF THE , UH, THE OPTIONS. AND SO THESE ARE JUST KIND OF AGAIN. BROAD CATEGORIES, NOT THE SPECIFIC EVALUATION MATRIX THAT WILL BE DOING LATER. BUT WE WANT TO JUST KIND OF REPRESENT THE DEBT PARK IS ON THE HIGH END OF COMPLEXITY , HIGH END OF COST. IT ALSO IS ON THE LOW END ON PEDESTRIAN CONNECT CITY OUTSIDE OF THE VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA CORRIDOR DOES A GREAT JOB OF CONNECTING RIGHT THAT ONE SPOT BUT BECAUSE OF THE RETAINING WALLS, AS EVEN WITH NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE CORRIDOR AS WELL, YOU KNOW, LOWERING FOR THAT DEPRESSION.

THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY IS DECREASED. THE SECOND OPTION THAT WE LOOKED AT IS OUR GRADE SEPARATED, INVERTED DECK PARK. THE INSPIRATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE WAS HIS RINGS . THE PRECEDENT THAT THE DESIGNERS USED WAS THE GALAXY SOHO PLAZA IN BEIJING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THAT PHOTO THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE TERRORIST AREA GOING DOWN TO WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS ARE PEDESTRIANS ON THE BRIDGE ABOVE. A LITTLE WATER FEATURE IN THERE. ON THIS OPTION YOU CAN SEE HIGHWAY FIVE RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE. AND THEN THE PARKS ON EACH SIDE THAT ARE CONNECTED UNDERNEATH HIGHWAY FIVE THERE. UM AGAIN, VIRGINIA'S ON THE NORTH LOUISIANA'S ON SOUTH. AND THEN LET ME. ON THIS SLIDE. KIND OF JUST LIKE WE PEELED OFF HIGHWAY FIVE. SO IT'S NO LONGER THERE SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE WHOLE STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH. WHAT WOULD WE BE ACCOMPLISHING THERE? AND SO WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, STAGE OVER HERE WITH THE TERRORIST SEATING OVER HERE FOR THE STAGE PERFORMANCE. OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OVER HERE. WE'VE GOT.

CURVILINEAR TRAILS FOR ACCESSIBILITY. UM BOTH OF THESE STRUCTURES HERE AND HERE, WE MAYBE WOULD SERVE AS ELEVATORS TO GET YOU DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LEVEL. UM YOU COULD HAVE A PLAYGROUND BACK OVER HERE ON THE EAST SIDE WATER FEATURE INCLUDED. SO A LOT OF AWESOME OPPORTUNITIES ON THIS DECK PART OR INVERTED DECK PART. EXCUSE ME. UM. LET'S WALK THROUGH THE

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YOU CAN SEE THE COLLIN COUNTY HISTORY MUSEUM OVER THERE AS WELL. THIS IS THAT SAME AREA, BUT DOWN NOW, AT THE PARK LEVEL, YOU CAN SEE THAT BROAD EXPANSE THAT'S UNDERNEATH THERE AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SCALE. THE EXISTING RIGHT AWAY ON TEXAS OUT THERE ON HIGHWAY FIVE DAYS ABOUT 90 SEATS, 96 FT WIDE. AND THEN SO THIS OPENING IS ABOUT 110 FT OR SO LONG. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 96 100 FT BY 110 FT WIDE AREA TO REALLY CREATE SOME MEANINGFUL UM, DESTINATION SITTING DOWN THERE. YOU MAYBE DO SOME SORT OF INTERACTIVE PLAY AREAS. BELIEVE ME IF WE TURN MAJKOWSKI LOOSE ON THE DECK PARK OR ON THIS ONE, HE'S GOING TO CREATE SOME AWESOME OPPORTUNITIES. THIS IS OVER. ON THE WEST SIDE. YOU CAN SEE THE WATER FEATURE. WE'RE JUST STARTING TO GO DOWN FROM THE DECK PARK SO YOU CAN SEE HIGHWAY FIVE JUST ON THE UPPER RIGHT OF THAT PHOTO. I'M LOOKING DOWN OVER THIS AREA. SO ON THE TRAFFIC OPERATION WITH THIS OPTION, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN EITHER OR SCENARIO. SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

WE HAVE A MEDIAN IN THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE REPRESENTED IN THE AND ALL THE ILLUSTRATIONS IS THAT KIND OF THAT THAT LANDSCAPING IN THERE TO HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THE SENSE OF SENSE OF PLACE. BUT IF PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICULAR ACCESS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT MAINTAINS THAT IT IS TODAY . THIS ACTUALLY ON THE ON THE LEFT ALLOWS US TO USE THE SAME OPERATION THAT IT'S HAPPENING TODAY, NOT MAKING ANY MODIFICATIONS BY REMOVING THAT MEDIUM. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN EITHER GO TO THE PUBLIC OR IF COUNCIL FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY WANT TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. HE COULD GIVE US THAT FEEDBACK TONIGHT AS WE GO FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC MEETING.

THIS SUMMER. PROPERTY ACQUISITION FOR THIS ALTERNATIVE . UM NOT AS UH, DRASTIC. WE ONLY HAVE FIVE PROPERTIES, BUT THESE WOULD ALL BE FULL ACQUISITION, SO NO PARTIAL ACQUISITIONS ON THIS SCENARIO. 54 PROPERTY SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE TO ACHIEVE THIS BEST. UM IN CLASS SCENARIO. ON OUR KIND OF TECHNICAL SUMMARY OVERVIEW. THIS ONE. WE'RE NOT GOING NEARLY AS DEEP TO CREATE THIS TUNNEL UNDERNEATH HIGHWAY FIVE. WE'RE LOOKING AT 15 FT. PLUS FOR THAT READ THOSE RETAINING WALLS. THAT DRAINAGE STILL A DEEP DRAINAGE ISSUE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO AS FAR TO OUTFALL. NOW. NOW AS WE GET CLOSER TO FROGMORE, AND WE'RE STARTING TO GET CLOSER TO DAYLIGHTING, SO MAYBE IT'S 1000 1200 FT, NOT 2500. FT. COST RANGE ON THIS ONE'S 13 TO 20 MILLION AGAIN, FACTORING IN FOR RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION, BUT NOT NOT INCLUDING THE COST FOR THE PARK JUST TO KEEP THOSE COMPARABLE ON ALL OUR ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVES. THE COMPARISON BETWEEN EACH OF THE ALTERNATIVES. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COMPLEXITY IS SCALE IS STARTING TO SLIDE A LITTLE BIT LOWER, NOT QUITE AS COMPLEX. NOT QUITE AS LONG. THAT KIND OF COSTLY AS THE DEBT PARK OPTION. I'LL ALSO POINT OUT ON THIS ONE THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY BEYOND THE LOUISIANA VIRGINIA CORRIDOR IS NOT DIMINISHED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BIG RETAINING WALLS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, SO THERE'S NO IMPACT TO THOSE. PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS THAT ARE RESIDENT KIND OF DESCRIBED EARLIER TODAY. THE THIRD ALTERNATIVE WE LOOKED AT IS AN ENHANCED CROSS CROSSING AT GRADE, SO THE INSPIRATION FOR THIS ONE IS MORE OF A FORMAL DESIGN. THE PRECEDENT WAS NORTH PARK MALL IN DALLAS AND ALSO CITY PLACE DOWN IN HOUSTON. THIS ONE. YOU CAN SEE HOW A FIVES RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE. UM, WE HAVE SOME KIND OF INTERSECTION TREATMENT TO KIND OF HELP YOU REALIZE THAT YOU'VE ARRIVED AT THE AREA. YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF GOT INTO THE DOWNTOWN, BUT IN THIS OPTION, WE'RE CREATING TWO DISTINCT PARKS. THIS OPTION TO GET ACROSS. YOU HAVE TO CROSS VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, EITHER VIRGINIA OR LOUISIANA THROUGH THE SIGNAL, AND SO THERE IS NO SEPARATION THAT THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS PROVIDE. LET'S LOOK

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YOU CAN SEE THE PARK AND HOW A FIVE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THIS IS ON THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER LOOKING NORTHWEST ACROSS THE PARK. THIS IS OVER ON THE EAST. EXCUSE ME, THE WEST SIDE OF HIGHWAY FIVE ON LOUISIANA LOOKING NORTH ACROSS THE LAWN. THAT WOULD BE THE KIND OF THE STAGE AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE UP THERE. THIS IS AGAIN KIND OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER AT VIRGINIA AND HOW WE FIVE LOOKING SOUTHWEST, YOU CAN SEE THE CHESTNUT TOWER IN THE BACKGROUND. THIS IS OVER ON THE WEST SIDE, STANDING RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE COLLIN COUNTY HISTORY MUSIC HISTORY MUSEUM LOOKING SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE THE AGAINST THAT TOWER CHESTNUT TOWER IN THE SOUTH. YOU CAN SEE THE LAW AND TO THE LEFT. AND THEN ALSO THE STAGE STRUCTURE THERE THAT COULD BE CREATED.

TRAFFIC OPERATIONS AGAIN. WE'RE PROPOSING AGAIN TO, UM UM. CHANGED THE OPERATION TO MODIFY THE TRAFFIC OPERATION TO CREATE THAT MEDIUM IN THE MIDDLE. WE FEEL LIKE THIS ALTERNATIVE DOES NOT REALLY FUNCTION AS WELL. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT MEETING IN THE MIDDLE TO KIND OF HELP GIVE YOU THAT SENSE OF PLACE AND THAT YOUR RIVAL HELPS SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. AND SO WE THINK THAT'S A MUST IN AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS OPTION. UM THIS OPTION IS SIMILAR TO OPTION NUMBER TWO REQUIRES FIVE THE SAME FIVE PROPERTIES TO CREATE THOSE TWO PARKS AGAIN. KEEP THEM APPLES TO APPLES. AND THEN OUR TECHNICAL SUMMARIES A LOT EASIER ON THIS ONE. NO RETAINING WALLS. WE HAVE NO REAL STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS. MINOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE ALL THIS WORK. OUR COST IS 5 TO $7 MILLION RANGE, UM, AGAIN, NOT INCLUDING THE PARKS. AS YOU LOOK AT THE COMPLEXITY AND EVERYTHING ON ALL THESE CATEGORIES, THEY ALL SLIDE TO THE LOWER END, NOT AS COMPLEX THAT TAKE HIS LONG, LOWER COST. UM BUT ALSO THE CONNECTIVITY AT LOUISIANA AND VIRGINIA THAT SLIDES DOWN. WE'RE NOT CREATING THAT SAME SAFETY SCENARIO. THAT WE CREATED WITH THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS. THE AESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT ENHANCEMENT ENHANCEMENT IS ALSO LOWER WITH THIS PARTICULAR OPTION BECAUSE WE DON'T CREATE THAT COHESIVE, LARGER PARK. IT'S TWO SMALLER INDIVIDUAL PARKS. CARRIE I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT IS IT ABOUT OPTIONS TWO AND THREE THAT INCREASED CONNECTIVITY BEYOND VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA, AS OPPOSED TO OPTION ONE OPTION ONE SCORED LOW ON THAT. OPTIONS TWO AND THREE RATHER HIGH. LET ME LET ME WALK YOU BACK TO THAT PHOTO. GONNA RENDER KIND OF HELPED SHOW THAT. JEAN BRIDGES. STARTS GOING BELOW GRADE. EVER BLOCKS BEFORE. SO RIGHT TODAY. IMAGINE YOU KNOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE. GOT IT. WE'VE GOT THESE RETAINING WALLS YOU CAN'T CAN ONLY LIMITED CROSSING HERE VERSUS ANY OF THESE OTHER LOCATIONS. WE ALL RETAINING WALLS THAT PROHIBIT THOSE VEHICULAR ACCESS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ACROSS, IS INVOLVED IN PARKER, RIGHT? IN MY YOUNGER DAYS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CAME ON. YEAH. THAT THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR. YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

OKAY UM, AND THEN WE JUST TAKEN ALL THREE OF THE OPTIONS AND PUT THEM ALL ON HERE SO YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE DECK PARK ON THE LEFT A LITTLE BIT. THE MOST COMPLEX, INVERTED DECK PARK IN THE MIDDLE. WE START TO BRING THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN ON THE ENHANCED THAT GRADE. IT'S A SLOWER MORE TO THE LEFT LOWER NOW, JUST BECAUSE ONE IS HIGHER OR LOWER DOESN'T MEAN ONE OPTION IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER. IT'S JUST WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COUNCIL OR TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS PROJECT. JUST INFORMATION ONLY NOT AS A GRADING SCALE. SO OUR NEXT STEP IS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WHAT WE ARE PLANNING IS SOME SORT OF OPEN HOUSE FORMAT THIS SUMMER.

WE'LL HAVE ONLINE VERSION AS WELL AS THE END PERSON FORMAT. UM. AND YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE BRINGING THOSE COMMENTS BACK TO YOU. AFTER THAT, UM AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT? HOPEFULLY WITH SOME CONCLUSION ON WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS, AND WHAT IS MAYBE THE MOST TECHNICALLY FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE? SO OUR NEXT STEPS AGAIN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT COME BACK TO YOU AND THE SUMMER

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ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL ITS ENTIRETY. POTENTIALLY WE HAVEN'T HAD THE DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ON CALLS WITH A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS FROM KAGEN RTC ON THE DECK PARK. MY GUESS IS THAT THE SECOND OPTION WOULD QUALIFY AS WELL. THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME THING.

THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. WE HAVE NOT. WE HAVE FORMALIZED THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST BEEN SOME INFORMAL CONVERSATION. UM I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS, OF COURSE, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TWO THINGS ONE EXPENSE AGAIN IF IT WAS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PROJECT FUND 100. MAYBE SOME OF THAT GOES AWAY. COULD GO AWAY. BUT THERE IS THERE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED ON CONNECTIVITY. PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, JUSTIN , YOU BROUGHT UP SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. OTHERS HAVE AS WELL, UM SO AND I THINK WE'VE SHOWN THAT ABSENT SOME PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES, I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY COULD BE ONE WAY TO MITIGATE THAT, UH, FOR ME. I'VE COME TO A PLACE WHERE OPTION TO ACHIEVES THE ACHIEVES THE GOAL OF CONNECTIVITY ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE SENSE OF PLACE. REALLY THINKING FORWARD ON? I MEAN, I TRY TO THINK OF WHAT WE'RE DOING OVER THERE 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN NONE OF US ARE APPEAR BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE ALL STILL AROUND SITTING ON THE ROOFTOPS OVER THERE, AND WE'RE LOOKING ACROSS WHAT WE CREATED AND HELPED CREATE WHAT WE DIRECTED AND HOW INCREDIBLY. UM INNOVATIVE FORWARD, THINKING IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO CONNECT THOSE TWO AREAS. SO MAJESTICALLY I'LL SAY SOME MAJESTIC. SO I'M I AM STEADFAST AND IN MY POSITION ON. DOING SOMETHING AND I'M BUT I'VE SETTLED INTO TWO FOR COST DISRUPTION LACK THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION TO TWO PROPERTIES THEIR CONNECTIVITY. I THINK IT ACHIEVES EVERYTHING AND IN A VERY UNIQUE WAY, THAT IS GREAT FOR THE CITY, SO FOR ME UM, TWO IS WHERE I LANDED. AND CONNOR TO YOUR POINT. I THINK YOU MADE SOME GREAT GREAT POINTS. UM, AND IT WAS WONDERFUL TO LISTEN TO IT . AN INDIVIDUAL COMING AND SHARE THOSE AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT REALLY RESONATED AS THEY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BY MEMBERS UP HERE AS WELL. AND SOME OF STAFF SO IT WAS JUST AGAIN. I'VE SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, SAY IT LAST TIME. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING THOSE THINGS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYONE ELSE FELT ABOUT IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE WHERE EVERYONE STANDS JUST IN GENERAL. THINK I DO. THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FOR SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT I THINK TWO IS A GREAT COMPROMISE. HI HIGHLY PREFERRED TO OVER. ACTUALLY I THINK ONE IS AESTHETICALLY BEAUTIFUL, BUT I DO WORRY ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, TOO MUCH DISRUPTION EAST AND WEST FOOT TRAFFIC AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AS WELL. AND I THINK I'LL TURN ALTERNATIVE TO DEFINITELY PRESENTS SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH MORE FEASIBLE FOR US TO ACHIEVE WITHOUT DISRUPTING. A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT, SO. IMAGINE IF WE HAD HISTORIC OR HISTORIC SQUARE WITH HOW WE FIVE, EVEN AN OPTION THREE RUNNING THROUGH THE CENTER OF IT. BUT IT'S STILL SURVIVE.

SURE. HOW? HOW OUR COMMUNITY FRIENDLY WOULD IT BE AND I THINK THAT'S FOR ME. WE REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO HAVE A EXPANDED FOOTPRINT OF DOWNTOWN THAT IF WE DO IT RIGHT. WILL BE JUST THAT AND EXPANDED FOOTPRINT OF DOWNTOWN, NOT ANOTHER SECTION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE

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BETWEEN THIS AREA THAT'S COMPLETELY TEXT AND WE CAN ASK FOR IT, BUT THEY CAN JUST SHUT US DOWN AND WHICH ARE THEY'RE LIKELY TO DO, UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF ALL OF THIS IS WE'RE JUST. WE HAD, YOU KNOW TEXTER TECH STOCKS PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S PROPERTY, SO WE WILL WILL DO THE BEST. WHAT WE WHAT WE CAN OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A ROAD COMING THROUGH THERE. I MEAN, THEY WANT TO PUT A ROAD THROUGH THERE. SO WE CAN'T STOP THAT THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, BECAUSE IT'S THEIR ROAD. THEY CAN WIDEN IT. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE CAN HELP THEM HELP US UM THEN I THINK WE CAN MAKE, AS THE MAYOR SAYS, WE CAN MAKE ASSUMPTIONS SPECIAL OUT OF THIS OPPORTUNITY. GARY I GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS. BUT CAN YOU ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FOR ME REGARDING HIGHWAY FIVE AND KIND OF WENT RADIO WAS TALKING ABOUT TEXT HAS A PLAN. TO ALTER HIGHWAY FIVE KIND OF THE WAY IT'S IT IS APPEARS, AND POSSIBLY THE WAY IT IS USED. MAYBE JUST SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC. CAN YOU WALK THROUGH THEIR SCOPE? IN THEIR TIMELINE OF DEVELOPING THAT SCOPE AND THEN POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENTING THAT SCOPE, SO TEXTILE APPROACHED US. IT'S WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT WAS NICK 2000? 18 19. INITIAL HIGHWAY FIVE SCHEMATIC. CHANGE SO PROBABLY 2018 TIMEFRAME. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY ON TOP OF MY HEAD. THEY CAME TO US THAT OKAY, WE HAVE FIVE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED TO SERVE. NORTH OF 3 80 EXPANDED TO SIX LANES. WE TOLD HIM AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SUPPORT WIDENING TO SIX LANES FROM 3 80 DOWN TO 5 46, BUT THEY REALIZED PAVEMENT CONDITION IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED. AND REHABILITATED, SO THEY DEVELOPED A SCOPE AND WHAT THEY CALL THE SCHEMATIC ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE WENT THROUGH THAT AND THAT SCOPE IS FROM ALL THE ■FOCUS ON FROM 5 46. HARRY MCKILLOP UP TO 3 80 IS GONNA REMAIN FOUR LANES, BUT THEY WON'T INSTALL A MEDIAN CENTER. MEDIAN SO NO TO A LEFT TURN. GET RID OF THAT, AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO START CONTROLLING ACCESS TO MAKE THE CORRIDOR SAFER, LIMITING ACCESS TO ALL THE LEFT TURNS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, AND SO WE ENGAGED WITH THEM, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT SCHEMATIC FOR A GOOD PERIOD OF TIME THEY TOOK THAT SCHEMATIC TO PUBLIC MEETING. UM IT WAS A VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING. IT WAS DURING COVID. PROBABLY THAT FIRST SUMMER OF COVID. SO THERE PROBABLY WASN'T A LOT OF PARTICIPATION. SINCE IT WAS 100% VIRTUAL, SO TEXT OUT IN THEIR MIND. CHECK THE BOX. SO WE'VE GOT THIS FOUR LANE ROADWAY WITH A RAISED MEDIAN. UM ON THE WEST SIDE IS A 12 FT WIDE SIDE. JAC SIDEWALK, SHARED PATH. ON THE EAST SIDE. I BELIEVE IT'S AN EIGHT FT WIDE ALRIGHT LATER TODAY. 88 FT SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE, SO THEY KNOW WE TRY TO IMPROVE SOME OF THAT ALONG THE CORRIDOR AS MUCH AS WE COULD. THEY WANTED TO I DON'T WANT TO GET THE HOLIDAYS TALES, BUT THEY WANTED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A WIDE OUTSIDE LANE, SO IT WOULD BE A 12 FT. LEFT CENTER LANE 16 FT. OUTSIDE LANE WITH FIVE FT SIDEWALKS. WE PUSHED BACK ON TEXT DOT SAYING THAT THAT EXTRA WIDTH IS NOT BENEFICIAL FOR BICYCLES. PEOPLE WON'T USE. IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP MAKING IT SAFER. SO THEY, FINALLY, UH UM, KIND OF CONCEDED AND WENT WITH THESE WIDER SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES, SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY HAVING THOSE WIDER SIDEWALKS. THEIR SCOPE HAS BEEN DELAYED A LITTLE

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WHO MAY NOT BECAUSE OF THE MEETING DURING COVID OR OTHERWISE DON'T UNDERSTAND. THAT THERE ARE PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS FROM 5 46 TO 3 80 THAT THAT CREATE MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THOROUGHFARE WITH SLOWER TRAFFIC. UM. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE THE WAY THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE IT SUPPOSED TO BE SUPPOSED TO POSTED AT 35, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MEDIANS MAKE IT A SAFER ENVIRONMENT WILL SLOW IT DOWN 100. RIGHT, OKAY. COMMIT TO THAT. AND, YEAH, DOES THE PLANNING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS POTENTIALLY ALTER TEXT DOTS? FUNDING TIMEFRAME OR ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON ON DOING THAT PROJECT. THE SOONER WE GET INFORMATION TO THEM ON HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. IF IT'S A DEBT PARK, IT'S ONE AVENUE. THIS UH, YOU KNOW, INVERTED DECK PARK OPTION TO MAYBE A DIFFERENT AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, OPTION THREE IS DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT COULD IMPACT THEM. WE JUST NEED TO GET TO THEM. AND FIGURE OUT HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THEIR SCHEDULE. WHAT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT STEPS WE NEED TO GO THROUGH. UM IF WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH INVERTED DEBT PARK, I MEAN THIS TRADITIONAL DEBT PARK AND WE'RE IMPACTING 27 PROPERTIES. WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE TO REOPEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE MUCH MORE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. AND SO WHAT? ALL STEPS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SOME OF WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW WILL HOPE WE WILL CHECK SOME OF THOSE BOXES. BUT PROBABLY NOT 100. IF IT'S THE ENDURE, DID INVERTED THAT PART.

IT MAY NOT BE AS DRASTIC AS A IMPACT TO THE PROJECT. WE MAY AS A CITY SAY WE WANT TO LOOK FOR A SEPARATE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY. THAT DOES THE ACQUISITION OF THE BUILDINGS AND THEN THE CREATION OF THE PARK SEPARATELY FROM BUILDING THE STRUCTURE, SO ALL THEY'RE DOING IS FUNDING THE ROADWAY STRUCTURE AND YOU KNOW THE TUNNEL UNDERNEATH AND THEN WE'RE COMING BACK WITH A SEPARATE PROJECT. THOSE ARE ALL DETAILS. WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH ONCE WE KNOW AN OPTION HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. THE YOU HAVE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE MEETINGS, PRESENTING THIS ABOUT TAKING HIGHWAY FIVE, OFFLINE IN THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY, ADVANTAGES BEING SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT THEY WILL INCORPORATE IN THEIR DESIGN . BEFORE THEY WOULD WE WOULD TAKE IT OFFLINE THAT INCLUDES PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS THAT OTHER SPOTS, NOT JUST THIS SPOT. UM DO WE HAVE HAVE THEY DONE ANY ADDITIONAL EVALUATIONS? ARE WE DOING ANY EVALUATIONS ON WHERE THOSE CROSSINGS COULD BE? THERE'S OTHER ENHANCED CROSSINGS OR WHERE WE WOULD NEED THEM. SO WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY OF THAT WORK OTHER THAN WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE WE THINK POTENTIAL TRAFFIC SIGNALS WOULD BE ON THE CORRIDOR BECAUSE ONCE YOU CONSTRUCT THAT RAISED MEDIA NOT EVERY SIDE STREET NOW HAS ACCESS TO A, UM FOR MEETING OPENING, SO THAT WILL REDISTRIBUTE SOME TRAFFIC. SO WE'VE KIND OF SOME IDEAS WHERE THOSE TRAFFIC SIGNALS WOULD BE. AND THEN YOU KNOW, ONCE WE KNOW HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. WE WOULD GO OUT AND START DOING SOME PEDESTRIAN OBSERVATIONS TRYING TO LOOK FOR KEY AREAS WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR AND NOT CONCENTRATED IN ONE AREA, IT'S DIFFICULT TO PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IN ONE ASPECT, BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO CROSS WHERE THEY WANT TO CROSS IF THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE. YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, RESIDENT INDICATED. CONNOR AND GIVING IT A GO. UM THANK YOU, COLIN. UH. REPRESENTED GIVING IT A GO WHEREVER THEY WANT, WHICH I SEE WHEN I DRIVE INTO WORK EVERY MORNING. I SEE PRESIDENT OR, YOU KNOW, UM EVERY DAY EVERY DAY, PUTTING OUT AT RANDOM SPOTS. THERE'S NO ISOLATED, SPECIFIC SPOT, SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WILL HAVE TO FACE WHEN WE WANT TO PUT SOME IN, UM AND WHAT THEY ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE. UNFAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE CALL PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON WHERE IT'S A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THAT'S ACTIVATED BY PEDESTRIAN RED LIGHTS COME UP. WE'VE LOOKED AT DOING THOSE IN OTHER LOCATIONS JUST HAVEN'T FOUND THE RIGHT LOCATION. WITH THE HIGH ENOUGH PEDESTRIAN COUNT TO JUSTIFY THAT COST. BUT IN TERMS OF. THE POTENTIAL FOR TAKING HIGHWAY FIVE OFFLINE. IT WOULD GIVE US IF WE CHOSE TO DO THAT.

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THE IMPACT, I THINK YOU KNOW, FOR ME, IT IS TOO BIG OF AN IMPACT TO UNDERTAKE. UM PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE DISRUPTIONS TO TRAFFIC THAT IT CAUSES IT KIND OF CREATE SOME SORT OF BOTTLENECK AND EVERYBODY HAS TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AND THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PEDESTRIANS BUT ALSO IN ROADWAYS. AND WE THOSE. THOSE SECONDARY ROADS AREN'T BUILT TO THAT CAPACITY WHERE THEY CAN WERE ANTHONY OR LAMAR. I'M SURE WE'LL CHANGE LAMAR BUT WHERE THEY HAVE THE SPACE TO ABSORB THAT TYPE OF OFFLOAD TRAFFIC. UE NEAT I GUESS. IN LOOKING AT OPTION TWO AND OPTION THREE. MY QUESTION IS KIND OF LINES UP WITH YOUR EVALUATION OF ONE IMPROVED MOBILITY. AND DOES THIS ACHIEVE IT, AND I THINK YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TO SOMEONE WHO HAS PARKED IN THE PARKING GARAGE. EATING DINNER ON THE SQUARE AND IT'S GONNA GO DOWN TO TOPS. FOR AN AFTER DINNER ENTERTAINMENT DOES THIS INCREASED THEIR PROBABILITY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WALK? TO THAT, AND I GUESS FOR SOME PERCENTAGE IT DOES. BUT FOR SOME PERCENTAGE OF DOZEN, AND I THINK THE OTHER THE OTHER KIND OF BIG PEDESTRIAN. MOVER IS GOING TO BE CITY HALL WHERE WE HAVE EMPLOYEES AT CITY HALL, WHO MAY TYPICALLY PARTICIPATE IN SOME SORT OF BREAKFAST OR LUNCH ON THE SQUARE OR UM. WILL THEY STILL MAKE THAT THAT THAT JOURNEY ACROSS IF YOU KNOW AN OPTION, LIKE OPTION TWO IS THERE AND FOR SOME PERCENTAGE, YES, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL PRETTY LARGE DISTANCE THAT HAS TO BE COVERED THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COST OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OVERCOMES THAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

ABOUT A THIRD OF A MILE EACH DIRECTION AND THAT AND THAT SCENARIO, I THINK WE STILL HAVE THINGS TO OVERCOME WITH THAT CONNECTIVITY. UM YOU KNOW, DOES IT, UM, SPUR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BEAUTIFICATION. IT THINKS PEOPLE WANT TO BE BY. WE'VE SEEN DEVELOPMENT AROUND CLYDE WARREN. EXPLODE BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WHO WERE DRAWN TO THAT, BUT UM, THAT THAT COMES AT A COST. I MEAN, THAT'S I THINK THE COST ESTIMATES YOU HAVE FOR THE ENHANCED AT GRADE IS PROBABLY ALL PROPERTY ACQUISITION BECAUSE IT EXCLUDES PARK SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 5 TO $7 MILLION COST 5 TO $7 MILLION LOSS ON A TAX ROLL. AND A. YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND THAT GAIN SOMEWHERE ELSE AND RELOCATE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE THERE AS WELL. AND SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT SPURRING OF DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS THE DOES IT CREATE A PUBLIC SPACE FOR US TO PARTICIPATE IN ORDER TO CREATE MORE COMMUNITY. BENEFIT AND IT OBVIOUSLY WOULD. I THINK THERE'S SOME RISK FOR IT BEING MISUSED IN A PLACE LIKE THIS WHEN YOU'VE GOT A SUNKEN PARK THAT UH, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE ACTIVITY THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WOULD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT, AND WE DON'T HAVE THOSE HERE AND SO IT'S HARD TO KNOW IF IT WOULD BE USED THE WAY WE INTENDED TO BE USED, BUT UM, ALSO, LOOK AT WE HAVE A SQUARE. WE HAVE A CITY HALL PLAZA. WE

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UM AND WE? WE'VE NEVER REALLY ADDRESSED IT, BUT IT'S STILL OUT THERE AND IT WILL, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BE ALTERED BY THAT TRANSITIONAL NATURE OF WHAT CITY HALL IS GOING TO DO. UM AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UM, FINDING SOLUTIONS FOR THE CONNECTIVITY. THERE MAY BE BETTER OPTIONS THAT PART THAT KIND OF COUPLE WITH THAT PARKING ISSUE THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH WHERE WHERE WE DO HAVE SHORT TERM FLEXIBLE OPTIONS THAT CREATE CONNECTIVITY. UM BETWEEN THE DISTRICTS, UM, THAT CONNECT TO PARKING LOTS THAT LINE UP WITH THE WAY FINDING EFFORTS THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH. AND ULTIMATELY. ARE FLEXIBLE TO WHAT THIS AREA WILL DO AS THAT.

DEVELOPMENT OF SPURRED, UM AND I GUESS MY BIGGEST EXAMPLE, IS RIGHT HERE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 4 TO 6 CITY BLOCKS THAT ARE VACANT. AND WE'VE GOT RESPONSIBILITIES TO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF OUR OWNERSHIP, AND I'M TO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR HIM. AND WHEN WE IF WE FIND SOMETHING FOR THAT THEN YOU KNOW , OUR OUR NEW CONNECTIVITY MAY NOT BE IT. LOUISIANA VIRGINIA IT MAYBE AT LAMAR BECAUSE OF WHAT'S CREATED HERE AND BECAUSE OF THE PARKING UM, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN BETWEEN. AND SO THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT MAY BE A TROLLEY SYSTEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE WOULD AFFORD US RATHER THAN UH, HARD INFRASTRUCTURE POTENTIAL DISRUPTION THAT IS UM YES, WE CAN. WE CAN PICTURE, BUT IT IT MAY NOT. IT MAY NOT END UP THAT WAY. I MAY NOT END UP WITH A NEED IN THAT WAY, AND IT MAY NOT SOLVE THE MOBILITY PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND SO IN MY OPINION, UM I GUESS. I KNOW SINCE I TALKED A LOT ABOUT TWO. I'LL TALK ABOUT THREE. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK AT A PROBLEM OF TRYING TO MAKE PEDESTRIANS SAFER AND COME UP WITH A YOU KNOW, LET'S PUT A COUPLE OF PARKS ADJACENT TO THE ROAD. I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE OUR ISSUES. SO I GUESS I DON'T.

I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THEM. UM I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD A LONG WAY TO SAY THAT. I KNOW I'VE BEEN.

I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS A LOT BECAUSE IT IS IMPACTFUL, BUT BUT I THINK I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME UH, OTHER PLACES WE NEED TO BE PUTTING OUR ATTENTION AND OUR EFFORTS INTO TO IMPROVING CONNECTIVITY ALONG THE HIGHWAY FIVE CORRIDOR AND SPURRING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN AND, UM. EAST SIDE DISTRICT THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS REALLY PROVIDES US A WHOLE LOT OF BENEFIT FROM THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. YEAH, I MEAN, FOR ME. THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND ALTHOUGH I CAN APPRECIATE SOME DISRUPTION THAT'S

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THE ACOUSTICS ARE BEST SERVED. IF YOU GO SUBTERRANEAN ON THAT AND HAVE THE ACOUSTICS SHUT OUT TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH, WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY ENJOY THE PARK WITHOUT THE DISRUPTION OF AUTOMOBILE SOUNDS. I'M NOT. ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE. IT'S NONE OF US ARE SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW. WHO'S GOING TO PUT THE BILL FOR ALL OR PART OF THIS? AND IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN GET FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING I THINK THAT'S THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, AND THAT WOULD BE ALSO BELIEVE THE BEST IMPACT ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL HERE FROM FAR AWAY TO SEE THIS PART BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM COMING HERE AND SAYING YES, IT WAS A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT FAILED BECAUSE IT WAS SO NOISY. I COULDN'T HEAR THE PEOPLE NEXT TO ME, AND I COULDN'T HEAR THE BAND THAT WAS PLAYING AT THE OTHER END, OR WHEN I WAS WATCHING THE OUTDOOR MOVIE AND THEY GET RIGHT TO WHO DONE IT. THE TRUCK WENT BY AND I'M STILL NOT SURE WHO, UM, WITH THE MURDERER WAS. AND SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. THANK YOU. AND CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND WOULD WOULD IDENTIFIED DURING THE CONCEPTUAL ENGINEERING FACES TOO. LUCKILY THOSE THOSE THINGS ARE AND I AGREE WITH YOU, CHARLIE HAVE TO.

WE HAVE TO BE CERTAIN OF THAT. BUT THOSE ARE QUANTIFIABLE THINGS IN TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY AND WORLD OF SOUND AND. WHAT? NOT BUT CERTAINLY VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. UP UNTIL THEN. I WAS LEANING TOWARDS TOO BUT WITH CHARLIE SAID. THERE'S A LOT OF MERIT TO THAT. IN I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT NUMBER THREE. CAUSE I THINK YOU YOU NEED A FACTOR KIND OF LIKE A WILD FACTOR WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO MCKINNEY IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS SPECIAL, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE

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AND AS FAR AS THE PARKING GOES YOU KNOW, ONCE WE OPEN THIS UP YOU KNOW THE PARKING LOT WE'VE GOT NOW THE PARKING GARAGE. IS USED, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT IT SHOULD BE USED. AND ONCE YOU'VE GOT IT, CENTRALLY LOCATED NOW, IF YOU DO THE PARK AND YOU DO THE CONNECTIVITY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE USING THAT PARKING GARAGE. OKAY SO THEN YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE PARKING YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE NEXT STEP IS TO GO LOOK AT THE PARKING GARAGE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, BUT AFTER IT'S ALL BUILT AND DONE AND YOU GET THE YOU GET THE CITY HALL IN THERE AND YOU GET TOUPS IN THERE, THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHERE ALL THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO, RIGHT? IT'S CORRECT. AH! I'M I COULD GO WITH EITHER ONE OR OR TWO BE COMFORTABLE. GARY ON ON THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTIES IMPACTED. ONE THAT KIND OF SHOWS ALL OF THEIR. CAN YOU TAKE ME THROUGH HOW SOMEBODY GOING ON HIGHWAY FIVE WOULD GET TO SAY. UH, DAVIS STREET. EITHER THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING. POOR'S UH, PARKING GARAGE THAT'S ON DAVIS. OKAY SO A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. ONE IS OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE STILL HAVE THAT GREAT ACCESS HERE AT ANTHONY. AS YOU MENTIONED THAT STREET VERY NARROW GOES THROUGH CHESTNUT SQUARE SQUARE. YEP.

WHAT WE ARE PLANNING ARE KIND OF THOUGHT IS BECAUSE STANIFER PROVIDES SO MUCH MORE ACCESS EAST AND WEST OF HIGHWAY FIVE THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT STANFORD JUST TO THE SOUTH. SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. IS SOME TURNING STANDARD FOR AND THEN COME UP JUST NOW. TO DAVIS. ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO COME UP HERE. TO LOUISIANA AND THEN CIRCLE BACK. NOW YOU MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND STAND UP FOR JUST. BECAUSE THAT MAKES ME THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE. WE HAVE CREATED AN EXIT FROM DUNCAN STREET. THE PARKING LOT ON DUNCAN STREET ON THE ANTHONY THAT WOULD LIKELY BE TURNING LEFT ON. UM, HIGHWAY FIVE TO GO SOUTH. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A LIGHT. I MEAN, I GET THERE . I MEAN, THIS IS MY THING WITH ACCESSIBILITY IS WHERE WE'RE POURING TRAFFIC INDUSTRIES THAT AREN'T YEAH, SO WE THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT THAT. AND YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL BASED ON VOLUMES . WE THINK THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL IS THAT STANDARD FOR YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, THOUGH. ACCESS COULD COME OFF OF THE DAVIS OUT OF THE DUNCAN STREET PARKING LOT. IT ALSO ALIGNS WITH RAILROAD RAILROAD WOULD TAKE YOU STRAIGHT SOUTH AND YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS AT STANDIFER OFF OF RAILROADS. YOU JUST NEED TO GO THAT BLOCK OR SO SOUTH AND THEN HAVE THAT ACCESS. SO THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THAT AREA. I UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT SURE WHEN YOU'VE LAST DRIVEN ON WILCOX OR WOLF STREET THROUGH THERE, BUT I CAN BARELY GET MY CAR DOWN AT MUCH LESS TWO CARS DOWN AND SO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT PEOPLE ON ANTHONY AND THEN ASKED HIM TO GO SOUTH TO REACH A LIGHT. IS JUST IT'S A LOT, UM. THAT THERE IS NOT MUCH ACCESS IN THAT AREA. UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YEAH, SO, UM, AND THEN THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE NORTH SIDE. UM SAME THING, I GUESS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW SOMEONE COMING NORTH OR SOUTH ON? I GUESS I'M COMING SOUTH ON HIGHWAY FIVE, BUT GOING NORTH ON HIGHWAY FIVE HOW THEY WOULD END UP IN OUR PARKING GARAGE. SO IF YOU END UP TO GET TO THE PARKING GARAGE, YOU WOULD COME UP. TO LOUISIANA. COME LAUGHTER CHESTNUT AND THEN TURN LEFT AND GO NORTH TO THE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH I JUST DREW RIGHT PAST.

MHM. UM. OPTION ONE SEEMS TOO MUCH OF A HEAVY LIFT TO ME WITH TOO MANY THINGS THAT CAN GO WRONG WITH THE DRAINAGE AND THE DIGGING AND THE PROPERTY ACQUISITION THAT I REALLY HAVE NO APPETITE, TOO. TWO EMINENT DOMAIN ON THAT LEVEL. THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD TAKE. JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT. UM OPTION TWO SEEMS TO BE THE ONE THAT HAS LEGS AND HAS SOME WOW FACTOR AND DOES IT IS ACHIEVABLE. I WOULD MAKE THE REMARK THAT YOU KNOW FOR ME, AT LEAST WHERE I SIT RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT WHAT? WITH EVERYTHING THAT I SEE THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF VERSUS PRIORITIES IN THE CITY.

[01:15:01]

BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THIS HASN'T BEEN DONE AND IT'S CERTAINLY TO HIS POINT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DONE. IT CAN'T BE DONE LIKE A REGULAR OVERPASS. THIS IS THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MITIGATING THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT FROM WHERE I SIT . IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS CONSENSUS. UM TO LOOK AT ONE AND TWO MORE DEEPLY, BUT THE CONSENSUS IS NOT TOO UH, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT CONSENSUS TO LOOK AT ONE AND TWO IS THERE WAS THAT I WOULD CONCUR. AND I DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY TO HAVE THEIR INPUT BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE HONESTLY. WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES OFTEN GONNA USE IT. RIGHT I WOULD BE FASCINATED TO KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD THINK OF ONE AND TWO, SO LET'S LEAVE IT, SO THAT'S THE CONSENSUS NARROWING IT DOWN TODAY, OR ARE WE PLANNING TO TAKE ALL THREE TO THE TO TAKE ALL THREE? THE COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD AND OPTIONAL CERTAINLY PIVOT WITH YOU WITH YOUR DIRECTION, BUT WE WEREN'T WE WEREN'T ASKING FOR NOBODY. BUT YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT EARLIER ON THAT. BUT IF WE HAVE DIRECTION ON LIMITING OR WHAT WE WOULD PRESENT YEAH. SO I BELIEVE THERE IS CONSENSUS TO DO THAT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO STOMACH THREE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S MUCH OF AN OPTION. SO THE CONSENSUS IS ONE

[01:20:01]

[COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATES Regarding various City Boards & Commissions]

I'LL TIE IT INTO SOMETHING THERE THAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT. YOU KNOW WHAT WE CAN BUILD. IN IN GILDA WENT THROUGH SOME HEAVY LIFT. AND IT WAS TOUGH AND BUT WHEN WE LOOK BACK NOW WE WISH HE WAS STILL HERE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, MAN, LOOK WHAT YOU DID. LOOK AT YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE, SO AT ANY RATE, IT WAS A REALLY GRATIFYING IT'S A GREAT THING TO LIAISE ANYWAY.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT, BUT IT WAS A GREAT MEETING TO BE AT A GREAT TIME. JUST SAY THAT, SPEAKING OF PARKS AT THE IRWIN PARK, THE OPENING OF THE BIKE TRAIL, THE DIFFERENT I FORGET WHAT THE OFFICIAL NAME IS ANYONE HERE? GIVE ME THE OFFICIAL SKILLS. THE SKILLS, OF COURSE. UM IT WAS SO GREAT TO SEE EVERYTHING FROM A LITTLE GOD COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OLD, JUST WHIPPING DOWN ON THE INTERMEDIATE TRAIL AT THAT. AND HIS DAD APPARENTLY WAS A WAS A RACER IN THE DAY AND HE WAS THERE GOING, OF COURSE, STANDING ADVANCE TRAILS. BUT IT WAS IT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE THERE WAS . IT WAS JUST PACKED FROM FIRST THING IN THE MORNING UNTIL SURE END OF DAY. AH, BUT LOTS OF LOTS OF PEOPLE COME TOGETHER, AND IT WAS MENTIONED BY RICH OUT THERE THAT HE SAID. YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN A SINGLE PHONE OR ELECTRONIC DEVICE IN THE HANDS OF ANY OF THESE KIDS OR PARENTS. THEY WERE JUST OUT, ENJOYING THE OUTDOORS AND IT WAS A BREATH OF FRESH AIR, SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY COOL TO SEE THEM. ALL RIGHT, UM YES, PLEASE JUST WANTED TO THANK CORNERSTONE RANCH. THEY HAD A FUNDRAISER ON SATURDAY. AND THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN PHILLIPS FOR INVITING US OUT TO EXPERIENCE THAT WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES A DAY PROGRAM AND EVEN HOUSING FOR ADULTS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS. UM JUST A FANTASTIC GROUP OF PEOPLE . THE RANCHERS WERE OUT. THEY PARTICIPATED IN THE EVENT. IT WAS JUST A TON OF FUN, AND IT WAS SO AWESOME TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER. TO HELP TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE IT TAKES MONEY TO RUN A PROGRAM LIKE THAT, AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR SHOWING UP AND THANK YOU TO CORNERSTONE FOR PROVIDING THAO . ALRIGHT THERE IS NO EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT'S A MOTION TO ADJOURN MOVED IN FAVOR, ALL RIGHT. I'M HERE TO DIE A STEEP.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.