Jul 19, 2022 City Council Work Session on 2022-07-19 3:00 PM

[CALL TO ORDER]

[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]

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HI MY NAME IS TOM MCCARROLL. I LIVE IN 11. OH, EIGHT TUCKER STREET, AND I JUST WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE IRONY OF US TALKING ABOUT THE ICEHOUSE WHEN IT'S 108 DEGREES OUTSIDE. I MEAN, YOU GOTTA LOVE IT. YOU GOTTA LOVE IT, BUT REALLY, WHAT I WANT TO SPEAK TO TODAY AS THE OPINION THAT THE ICE HOUSE IS TOO EXPENSIVE. TO SAVE THEM. I HAVE A OPINION ABOUT THAT. WHEN THE MCKINNEY ICE AND COLD COMPANY BUILT THE ICEHOUSE IN 1920. IT WAS DESIGNED TO HOLD 24,000 TONS OF ICE WITHIN ITS TWO FT THICK WALLS. MADE BY BRICK. BY HAND.

DURING THE LIFETIME OF THE ICEHOUSE. IT PROVIDED COAL AND EYES TO EVERYONE IN MCKINNEY, ALL THE CITIZENS REGARDLESS OF LAST CLASS OR RACE DEPENDED ON WHAT THE ICEHOUSE PROVIDED.

BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORY. THE ICEHOUSE IS NOT JUST A BUILDING, BUT IT IS A SYMBOL OF UNITY.

IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL SYMBOL THAT REMINDS US OF THE IMPORTANCE OF GATHERING AS A COMMUNITY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS TO RAISE FAMILIES AND PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE. WHEN YOU SAY THE ICEHOUSE NOT JUST SAVING A BUILDING SAVING WHAT MAKES YOU MCKENNA, UNIQUE. WE WERE A TOWN WITH A HISTORY. BUT WE'RE ALSO A CREATIVE LOVING TOWN WITH THE FUTURE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS UM , WHAT DO WE GET WHEN WE IF WE SAVE MCKINNEY, THE ICEHOUSE HERE'S A SHORT LIST OF WHAT HAPPENS IF WE SAVE THE HOUSE. SAVING THE ICEHOUSE WILL BOOST THE MCKINNEY BRAND. COMBINING THE OLD AND THE NEW WITH IMAGINATION WILL SET US APART FROM THE OTHER GROWING TEXAS TOWNS IN NORTH TEXAS. UM IT SAYS THAT WE'RE A TOWN OF UNITY, COMMUNITY AND CREATIVITY. IT WILL ATTRACT COMPANIES AND ORGANIZATIONS LOOKING FOR CREATIVE LEADERS. WHO CAN RUN THEIR GROWING ENTERPRISES. YOU WILL ALSO ATTRACT TOURISTS WITH A TOURIST ASKED. WHERE CAN I FIND THAT SILO MURAL? WE CAN SAY IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM UNITY PLAZA WHERE THAT COOL BUILDING IS THIS NEW PLAZA WITH THE ICEHOUSE AS ITS CENTERPIECE WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST PHOTOGRAPHED. SITES IN MCKINNEY. I SEE THE ISIS IS A WELCOMING OPEN AIR PAVILION WITH VISITORS AND RESIDENTS. BEING INSPIRED BY THE STORY OF MCKINNEY AND THE VALUES IT STANDS BY. BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, I SEE THE ICEHOUSE AS A HUGE FINANCIAL WIN FOR THE CITY. I ASK YOU. WHAT IS IT WORTH $1 MILLION.03 MILLION DOLLARS $13 MILLION. WHEN A SINGLE FORTUNE 500 COMPANY DECIDES TO RELOCATE HERE BECAUSE MCKINNIE'S UNIQUE VISION. THE TAX REVENUE THAT GENERATES WILL BE MORE ENOUGH TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE RESTORATION. SO BEFORE YOU SAY THE ICEHOUSE COSTS TOO MUCH. PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT IT COSTS. DOUBLE FOREVER. IN A DOWEL RINGLEY.

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THEREFORE ENTERED OUR BOOM AND DUST REAL TIME PERIOD FROM 18 90 UNTIL THE GREAT PREPARE DEPRESSION OF THE 19 THIRTIES. I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OVER THE PAST MONTH. SPEAKING TO SO MANY FOLKS WHO HAVE GREAT STORIES ABOUT OLD MCKINNEY AND THE THINGS THAT OCCURRED LONG AGO, THE ICEHOUSE WAS SEGREGATED. THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING HEARING THOSE STORIES. IT WAS USED BY ALL MCKINNEY, COLLIN COUNTY PEOPLE TRAVEL TOO FAR. THE PRESENT. SO MANY OF US LIVING HERE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT FOUND OUT IN MAY ABOUT THE NEW UPDATED PLANS TO NOW DEMOLISH THIS ICE HOUSE. WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS. SO MANY IDEAS WE HAVE IF WE HAD THE TIME AND OF COURSE, YOUR BLESSINGS. I SEE THIS HISTORIC ICEHOUSE OPPORTUNITY, A PLACE TO UNITE ALL OF US AND PRESENTING OUR PAST A PLACE OF UNITY, A PEACEFUL, HAPPY PLACE TO BE A BACKDROP FOR BANNERS AND SIGNS AS IT IS NOW. TO BE A MONUMENT CELEBRATING HER PAST. GIVE THE CITIZENS OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE MONIES TO CHECK INTO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS THAT WE DID NOT DO YET WE HAVE TO HAVE YOUR BLESSINGS. GIVE PEACE A CHANCE AND GIVE US TIME. THE FUTURE. THIS 19 OH TWO ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE THAT STILL STANDS.

TALK COULD STILL BE A VISUAL THAT COULD EDUCATE GENERATIONS TO COME ABOUT OUR MCKINNEY HISTORY. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE. NOT ONLY DOES THIS ICEHOUSE REPRESENT MCKINNEY HISTORY IT REPRESENTS CARLIN COUNTY HISTORY . IT REPRESENTS TEXAS HISTORY. IT REPRESENTS AMERICAN HISTORY.

PLACE A TALL, SIMPLE IRON PLACE OF FENCE AROUND IT. PLEASE CONSIDER THAT ADJUST THE NEW CITY HALL COMPLEX FOOTPRINT. SAVE OUR MCKINNEY HISTORIC ICEHOUSE, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JAMES WEST. I'M JAMES, WEST PRESIDENT, FIVE.

OH, FOUR. TUCKER AND MCKINNEY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR.

SUBJECT TO THE ICEHOUSE RESTORATION. CURRENTLY SERVING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. GROWING AWARENESS MAKES US ALL THE MORE CONSCIOUS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR COMMUNITY HISTORY AND THE ROLE OF BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND OUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY. FOR THIS REASON WE ARE SEEKING A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL TO GIVE US SOME MORE THOROUGHGOING. STUDYING.

THE ALTERNATIVE PLANS FOR THE AS HOUSE. IN 1978. OUR MOTTO IS MCKINNEY MIDDLE OF THE MOST. IN THE SAME YEAR. THIS DOWNTOWN VERSUS ASSOCIATION, LED BY GEORGE WEBB COMMISSIONED THE TOWN SQUARE REPORTS SEEKING TO FIND THE FUTURE FOR NEARLY ABANDONED DOWNTOWN SQUARE.

PERHAPS THREE OR FOUR BUSINESSES WERE THEN ACTIVE ON THE SQUARE AND OVER A HALF MILLION SQUARE FEET OF SPACE LAY IDLE. SUBSEQUENT WORK SHOWED THE WISDOM AND COMMUNITY STRENGTH THAT CAME FROM THIS ONGOING EFFORT TO RESTORE AND ADAPTIVE LEE REUSED. THESE BUILDINGS TO THE POINT THAT DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY BECAME THE RECOGNIZED HEART OF MCKINNEY. AND A DESTINATION. FOR THE PEOPLE WELL BEYOND MUCH POLITAN AREA. AND INCLUSIVE APPROACH TO PROFIT PROPERTY INVESTORS IN THE CITY SUPPORT HAS BEEN A KEY TO HIS ONGOING SUCCESS. RESTORATION AND RE USE OF BUILDINGS HAS BECOME A VITAL COMPONENT IN OUR TOWN AND EVERY TOWN. BEYOND OUR BORDER. I BELIEVE THE ICEHOUSE WOULD BE AN ESSENTIAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITIES NARRATIVE HISTORY.

VITAL PART OF OUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY WHICH CAN UNIQUELY BRING US TOGETHER. IN PLANNING ISSUES IN THE NEW CIVIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE EAST, MCKINNEY AND THE TRANSPORTATION

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AND PEOPLE WOULD TELL ME THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ATTRACTED THEM TO MCKINNEY WAS THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE CHARM. THE AMBIANCE. OKAY? UNDERSTAND THE CITY IS GROWING, AND WE NEED TO EXPAND IN IN CERTAIN AREAS. BUT NOT AT THE COST OF THE THINGS THAT MADE MCKINNEY MCKINNEY. THEY BROUGHT THE PEOPLE HERE IN DROVES TO START WITH. THE CULTURE. THE AMBIENCE, THE CHARM. I'M SORRY IF I'M RAMBLING. I APOLOGIZE. BUT THIS JUST WISE HEAVY ON MY HEART BECAUSE I'M SEEING SO MANY THINGS THAT I GREW UP WITH THAT MADE MCKINNEY MCKINNEY GONE.

BEING TORN DOWN. NOW, YOU KNOW, I HEARD I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A RUMOR, BUT THAT THE RAILROAD COMMISSION WAS SAYING THAT IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE TRACKS. SEEMS A LITTLE ODD THERE JUST NOW, SAYING THAT WOULDN'T THAT AFFECT THE OLD COTTON MILL? THE FLOUR MILL AND THE SILOS WITH THE MURAL BEING PAINTED ON IT. ABOUT ENCORE WIRE. YOU KNOW ANYTHING THAT CLOSE TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS THAT'S BEEN THERE. MANY, MANY YEARS AND I HAVE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT. I KNOW THAT IT IS SAID TO BE STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND. BUT I KNOW MR WEST BEING AN ARCHITECT. AND I MYSELF BOTH KNOW OF GOOD STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE COST FOR IT WOULD BE. ALRIGHT I'VE OVERSTAYED MY TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME.

AND HAVE VERY NICE, COOL DAY. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT SHOW NOBODY ELSE SIGNED UP SPEAKING

[DISCUSS REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS for the City Council Regular Meeting to be held on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:00 p.m. ]

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[Discuss the McKinney Municipal Complex and the McKinney Coal and Ice Company Building]

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THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE PHASE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THESE PARKING LOTS. AH THIS IS AN IMAGE OF WHAT I LIKE TO CALL THE DOG RUN OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE CLASSIER THAN ME. CALL IT THE PASEO. THIS IS THE PASS THROUGH GOING BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.

IT'S A PASS THROUGH THAT LEADS UNDER THE BUILDING IN THIS AREA, SO IT CONNECTS THE PARKING TO THE NORTH. DOWN THROUGH THE PLAZA DOWN CENTERED ON THE SILOS THEMSELVES. WE'VE NOW PROPOSE THAT TO BE A HISTORIC EXHIBIT, AND I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH RHP EARLIER THIS MONTH. JUST STARTING THE CONVERSATION OF WHAT THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT. I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING IS THIS IS NOT A FULL MUSEUM. WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT HISTORIC ATTRIBUTES OR EXHIBITS ELSEWHERE IN THE TOWN, BUT THIS MIGHT BE KIND OF A STARTING POINT FOR A LOT OF OUR RESOURCES , BUT IT'S A LIMITED SPACE. BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO RECOGNIZE THE STORIES OF MCKINNEY. ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT SPACE. THIS IS THE PLAZA LOOKING AT CREATING A PARK LIKE SETTING IT WOULD BE A CENTRAL GATHERING POINT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, OPEN SPACE ACTIVITIES WELL LIT, SO IT WOULD BE EVEN ON IN LATER MONTHS OF THE YEAR WHEN THEY GET STARK EARLIER BE USABLE. SOME IMAGES FROM THE INSIDE. THIS WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, RECOGNIZING SOME WAYS TO USE GRAPHICS TO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. THIS WOULD BE THE CONFERENCE CENTER AND THE ELEVATOR BLOCK THAT GOES UP. UM SO JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT VERY BRIEFLY TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY IN SOME OF THE CONCEPTS WE HAVE NOW I WANT TO GO THROUGH A TIMELINE BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMMENTS MADE. TRUTHFUL COMMENTS, THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID ABOUT HOW WE INDICATED THAT WE ARE GOING TO INCORPORATE THE ICEHOUSE INTO THE PROJECT, AND NOW WE ARE NOW NOT PROPOSING TO DO SO. AND SO I WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW THE TIMELINE OF HOW THAT OCCURRED EVEN BEFORE THIS IMAGE BEFORE WE EVEN SELECTED OUR CONSULTANT TEAM. DURING THAT SELECTION PROCESS WE ACTUALLY SELECTED PARKHILL AND LAKE FLATOW TO ARCHITECTURE FIRMS WHO HAVE A JOINT VENTURE ON THIS PROJECT. ONE OF THE KEY REASONS THEY WERE SELECTED WAS THEIR WORK ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT RETAIN THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF PROPERTIES AND SITES. THE PAROLE DISTRICT BEING A KEY THAT, LIKE FLATOW, WORKED ON WHERE THEY INCORPORATED HISTORIC BUILDINGS INTO THE MODERN PLACE THAT HAS BEEN CREATED. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, I RECKON, RECOMMEND ANYONE GO VISIT IT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE RIVERWALK. AH! EXTENSION TO THE NORTH, AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO VIEW BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WERE SELECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS IMAGE HERE IS FROM THE VERY FIRST STEP OF OUR DESIGN PROCESS, WHICH WAS LOOKING AT A AN OVERALL DISTRICT MASTER PLAN SO WE WOULD SEE HOW OUR MUNICIPAL BUILDING. THIS FIVE STORY STRUCTURE WOULD FIT INTO THE FABRIC. EXCUSE ME. OF THE EAST SIDE AND YOU CAN SEE VERY CLEARLY. THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE ICEHOUSE LOCATION. AT THIS TIME, WE HAD NOT DONE ANY ASSESSMENTS OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. BUT THE GOAL AT THIS TIME BACK IN MARCH OF 21 WAS TO INCORPORATE THE ICEHOUSE NOT ONLY KEEPING THE FRAME OF THE BUILDING IN PLACE, BUT ACTUALLY TO CONDITION THE SPACE AND TURN IT INTO AN EVENT CENTER FOR THE CITY. WHERE IT CAN BE USED FOR MEETINGS OR TRAINING OR BOARD MEETINGS OR EVEN YOU KNOW, RESERVED OR RENTED OUT TO THE PUBLIC FOR OTHER EVENTS, AND THAT WAS THE CONCEPT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. AS YOU GO TO THE NEXT IMAGE HERE IN MAY OF 21, YOU CAN SEE IT WAS CONNECTED TO THE BUILDING ON THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS EVEN HAD A ROOFTOP DECK PROPOSED AT THAT POINT. SO THE GOAL FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WAS TO INCORPORATE INTO THE BUILDING , AND IN FACT, THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING WAS REFLECTING THAT LOCATION, AND THAT WAS THE INTENT. THIS IS JULY OF 21. YOU CAN SEE THAT ICEHOUSE BACK THROUGH HERE AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S AN OPEN AIR PAVILION AT THIS POINT WITH CATWALKS THAT EXTENDED THROUGH THE SPACE. VERY PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT DETERMINED THAT THE VIABILITY OF CONDITIONING THAT SPACE AND MEETING ENERGY CODES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR US WHEN WE ISSUE PERMITS AND CEO BUILDINGS WOULD NOT BE ATTAINABLE WITH THE STRUCTURE. AT A VERY PRELIMINARY LEVEL. AND SO AT THAT TIME, THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE OUT SOME PORTIONS, MAKING AN OPEN AIR PAVILION THAT CAN BE USED AS PART OF THE PLAZA AS GATHERING SPACE IN THE PLAZA AND THESE CATWALKS WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE UPPER LEVEL HERE SO THAT WE WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO UTILIZE THE SPACE ON MULTIPLE LEVELS. AND YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE SOME OF THESE IMAGES.

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WHERE THIS BUILDING WAS IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO USE IT AS PART OF THE PROJECT. UM ALSO AUGUST 21, SO WE HAD OVER A SERIES OF MONTHS WE HAD MULTIPLE TEAM MEMBERS. FROM THE ARCHITECT STRUCTURAL ENGINEER OF RECORD ON THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT COMPANY, FORENSIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANT WATERPROOFING OR ENVELOPE CONSULTANT AND A MASONRY SUB CONSULTANT OR CONTRACTOR. ALL COME OUT ONTO THE SITE TO LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS STILL TO TRY TO USE THE BUILDING. BUT FROM THE BEGINNING IT WAS A GOAL. BUT THERE THAT GOAL IS WITHIN REASON. UH IF THE BUILDING AND I WOULD SAY WE CAN BUILD ANYTHING, IT JUST TAKES MONEY. WE CAN BUILD A BRIDGE OVER THE LANDFILL. IF WE WANT TO. BUT YOU MAY CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S WORTH. BUILDING THAT BRIDGE. UM THAT'S AN ODD.

EXAMPLE BUT I'VE USED IT BEFORE IN REAL LIFE, SO IT CAME TO MIND. SO LOOKING AT THE BIG BASS TOWING SIGN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE TOP OF THAT PARAPET WALL AND THIS IS WHERE CONCRETE HAS FALLEN OFF. YOU CAN SEE THE BRICK KIND OF COMING APART AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF THAT. THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW THIS A LOT BETTER THAN ME. I AM A ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, NOT A CONSTRUCTION EXPERT, BUT I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO IT. SO IF I SAY ANYTHING USING THE WRONG TERMS OR SOMEONE COMES SMACK ME IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WHERE THE WATER DAMAGES YOU CAN SEE WHOLE SECTIONS OF BRICK FALLING OFF.

THIS ACTUALLY IS WHEN THEY GOT IN CLOSE, AND THEY TOOK A LIFT INSIDE THE ICE HOUSE AND GOT UP RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE CEILING OF THE ICEHOUSE TO LOOK AT THE MATERIALS. THIS IS EXPOSED REBAR THAT SIGNIFICANTLY ERODED OR CORRODED. I APOLOGIZE AND YOU CAN SEE THE CONCRETE FALLING OFF OF THAT. THE INSIDE OF THE BRICK HAD LARGE PANELS FOR INSULATING PROPERTIES. THOSE HAVE FALLEN OFF. THIS IS ACTUALLY A VIEW OF THE SAME CEILING FROM THE FLOOR AND YOU CAN SEE THE REBAR THE RUSTY NATURE OF THAT REBAR THAT'S BEEN EXPOSED. THE ROOF ITSELF IS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE AS WELL AS WHAT WE CALL THE DOG HOUSE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE SEPARATION OF THE BRICK FROM THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. AND THIS IS WHERE WHOLE PANELS OF THAT BREAK HAVE FALLEN OFF. THINGS WE HAD NOT RECOGNIZED WHEN WE INTENDED TO INCLUDE IT, BUT IT WAS PRESENTED TO US AND I REMEMBER THE STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE THEY WALKED IN, AND THEY SHOWED US THIS IMAGE THE WAY THE CONVERSATION STARTED WAS WE'VE DONE A LOT OF ASSESSMENT, AND NOW WE'VE GOT SOME NEWS AND IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT . UM THEY DID NOT COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE DONE AN ASSESSMENT AND HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THE HOUSE HOUSE BUILDING. THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT THE CONVERSATION WENT. THE CONVERSATION WAS OVER THE CONDITION OF THE ICEHOUSE AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE. TO SHORE IT UP SO WE COULD KEEP IT AS THIS REMNANT OF A BUILDING THAT OPTION ONE WHICH WE CALL THE DEMO SLASH MAINTAINED UNSTABLE AREAS THAT WAS TO TAKE OUT SOME OF THOSE REALLY POOR AREAS ON YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CEILING AND OTHER PANELS ENSURE IT UP, BASICALLY BUILDING A SUPERSTRUCTURE THAT WOULD HOLD THE BUILDING UP. AND AT THAT TIME BACK IN NOVEMBER, I THINK, ACTUALLY WAS THERE YOU GO OCTOBER 20TH. IT WAS ESTIMATED TO BE $2.6 MILLION FOR OPTION ONE. OPTION TWO WAS TO REMOVE THE UNSTABLE ROOF AND ADD SUPPORT STRUCTURE, AND THAT'S KIND OF THAT SUPERSTRUCTURE THAT WOULD HOLD THE BUILDING UP. SO YOU'VE GOT FOUR WALLS THAT ARE WANTING TO ACTUALLY FALL APART, FALL OUTWARD THAT HAVE BEEN BRACED UP OVER THE YEARS WITH CABLES AND BRACKETS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. UM WE WOULD BUILD A STRUCTURE TO KEEP IT IN PLACE. THAT WAS ABOUT A $2.26 MILLION OPTION. AT THAT TIME, I WILL SAY IN AND MY EXPERIENCE OF THESE ARE

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AND WHAT THAT DOES IS, IT DETERMINES THAT NO GROUNDWATER WOULD BE USED FOR DRINKING, AND IT ALLOWS US AS THE CITY CAN SPONSOR OF THIS PROJECT AND OTHER PROJECTS IN THE AREA TO MITIGATE THE BROWNFIELDS THAT ARE FOUND OVER ON THESE AGING AND VACANT INDUSTRIAL SITES, SO THEY WERE USED FOR INDUSTRIAL FOR 100 YEARS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THERE, AND I AGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO SAYS THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL SITES THAT ARE USED FOR 100 YEARS, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF POLLUTION. AND WE'VE HEARD SOME STORIES OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ON THE SIDE THAT MAY BE LEADING TO SOME OF THIS POLLUTION ON THE BIG BEST TOWING SITE. ONE IS IT WAS USED AS A TOW YARD FOR A VERY LONG TIME, SO CARS WERE TOWED THEIR LEAK FLUIDS INTO THE SOIL CAUSES POLLUTION. WE HEARD EARLIER ABOUT A EXPLOSION ON THE SITE OF AN UNDERGROUND FUEL TANK LEAKING FUELS INTO THE SITE. SO THIS MIDDLE MAP IS ACTUALLY VERY SMALL. AND IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CLOSE RAP VERSION OF IT, I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

BUT THIS IS A STUDY ABOUT THE T PH POLLUTION ON THE SITE, SO THOSE ARE TOTAL PETROLEUM HYDROCARBON, SO IT'S ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF GASOLINE AND KEROSENE AND DIESEL FUELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEY COME IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE AREAS THAT IDENTIFIED THAT ARE EXCEEDING THE LIMITS. SO MOST OF THESE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW. LIKE LESS THAN 20 PARTS PER PER MILLION. WE HAVE OTHER AREAS ON THE SITE THAT EXCEED 20,000 PARTS PER MILLION, WHICH ARE WELL ABOVE THE PERMISSIBLE POLLUTION LEVELS IN THOSE LOCATIONS. WHAT THAT MEANS. IS BEFORE WE CAN USE THIS FOR CITY HALL OR FOR ANY OTHER. NON INDUSTRIAL USE. WE HAVE TO MITIGATE THE POLLUTION ON THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE THEIR KEY AREAS. THERE IS A FEW. THERE'S ONE UP HERE ON THE VERY NORTH REACHES OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S ONE HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD. THERE'S ONE JUST NORTH OF THE BIG, BEST TOWING STRUCTURE AND THEN PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING ICEHOUSE OR BIG BEST TOWING. STRUCTURE IS FOUND TO BE NON COMPLIANT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS OF TC. SO THOSE ARE PETROLEUM PRODUCTS THAT ARE IN THE SOIL, SOME OF THEM 20, PLUS FEET BELOW. THE SURFACE THAT HAVE TO BE REMOVED. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED GETTING QUOTES ON THIS AND WE'RE TALKING ONCE THE SITE OR IF THE SITE IS CLEARED AND WE ARE ABLE TO COME IN AND REMOVE THE SOIL. WE HAVE TO HAUL IT OFF TO A SPECIAL LANDFILL THAT ACCEPTS POLLUTION. ARE POLLUTED SOILS RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THE QUOTE IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $333,000 TO HAUL THAT SOIL OFF THE SITE. SO IN DOING THAT, YOU CAN SEE THE AREAS AND THEN THE FILL THAT HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE SITE. SO ONCE YOU REMOVE THE OLD SOIL, YOU HAVE TO BRING IN NEW SOIL BEFORE YOU CAN BUILD THE STRUCTURE ON THIS, SO THOSE ARE ALSO THINGS THAT FACTOR INTO THE DECISIONS THAT ARE THAT ARE BEING MADE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN MY NAME GETS THROWN AROUND A LOT ON FACEBOOK. I TEND TO GO READ THEM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FOLKS WHO ARE PROVIDING THE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AND DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE SIDE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED IN THE BABY MEETING HP. A B MEETING BACK IN MAY WAS ABOUT THE SHIFT OF THE BUILDING, AND SO A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN ATTRIBUTED TO THAT SHIFT OF THE BUILDING. I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION FOR THE COUNCIL. THE BUILDING HAS SHIFTED FROM ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION, SO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY AND THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING. DARK NEVER TOLD US WE

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THE REASON THEY NEEDED. THAT IS, IF THEY EVER HAVE TO FIGHT A FIRE. THIS IS A FIRE LANE. THAT RUNS AROUND THE BUILDING. THERE'S A FIRE LANE THAT COMES UP HERE AND THEN A LITTLE FIRE LANE RIGHT HERE. THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND THE BUILDING AND PULL THE HOSE. THEY DO NOT WANT TO RELY ON THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY FOR FIREFIGHTING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE THERE IN 20 YEARS, IT COULD BE A LIGHT RAIL STATION. IT COULD BE PARALLEL LANES OR LINES OF THE RAILROAD. WE DIDN'T WANT TO RELY ON THAT FOR FIREFIGHTING , SO THEY ASKED US TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FT IN THIS AREA OF THE BUILDING. PRIOR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE ICEHOUSE BEING REMOVED. WE WERE LOOKING AT REDUCING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING IN THAT AREA AND NARROWING THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT OPTIONS AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE IS ACTUALLY FROM OUR VALUE ENGINEERING PROCESS. WE WERE REDUCING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING TO KEEP IT UNDER BUDGET AT THAT TIME BY APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FEET. WE WERE LOOKING AT REMOVING SPACE IN THIS AREA OF THE BUILDING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE GOAL OF REDUCING 20,000 SQUARE FEET AFTER THE DESIGN COMMITTEE HAD CHOSEN TO NOT PRESERVE THE ICEHOUSE AND ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND REMOVE IT. THEN THE DESIGN TEAM SAID, WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING AND WE'RE SHRINKING THE BUILDING. IT WOULD BE EASY TO JUST SHIFT IT OVER TO THE EAST TO BETTER LINE UP. WELL TO NUMBER ONE PROVIDE THAT SPACE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT SHAVING OFF, BUT ALSO TO LINE UP OUR DOG RUN, OR PASEO WITH THE CENTER OF OUR SILOS TO THE SOUTH, SO THERE WAS A SHIFT IN THE BUILDING. THE SHIFT IN THE BUILDING DID NOT CAUSE THE DECISION. TO DEMOLISH. THE ICE HOUSE THAT HAD BEEN MADE BEFORE THIS SHIFT WAS PROPOSED. THAT BEING SAID IN MOVING THE BUILDING OVER HERE. WE HAVE PROCEEDED WITH THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE AND WE ARE ALREADY PASSED THE 50% PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. IF WE WERE TO GO BACK AND SAY, LET'S KEEP THE ICEHOUSE IN PLACE. YES WE WILL HAVE TO GO REDESIGNED CITY HALL TO MOVE IT BACK. THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. IT JUST IS A REDESIGNED PROCESS THAT WOULD TAKE ACCORDING TO OUR CONSULTANT TEAM, PROBABLY 5 TO 8 MONTHS OF TIME OF REDESIGNED THE BUILDING BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO THAT CONSTRUCTION, DOC. COMPLETION AND THEN BED AND CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WE'RE HOPING TO BREAK GROUND IN OCTOBER, SO WE'RE KIND OF AT THAT POINT WHERE WE WOULD BACKTRACK 5 TO 8 MONTHS. TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS MARCH 15TH, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED THAT REALLY ALERTED PEOPLE. THAT THE ICEHOUSE WAS NOT ON THE PLAN ANY LONGER. AND THIS I BELIEVE WAS SHOWN AT THE OPEN HOUSE AT OLD SETTLERS THAT WE HAD WITH THE PUBLIC. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT GOT THIS CONVERSATION STARTED AND THEN LED TO THE MAY MEETING WITH HPE TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM. SO TODAY IS ESTIMATED COSTS ONE OF THE STRUGGLES WE'VE HAD THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT. AND EVERY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT RIGHT NOW EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR. INFLATION IS 9.1% YEAR OVER YEAR. UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION COSTS, THEN THEY'RE NEAR 18% OR 1.5% EVERY MONTH, SO IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S $10 MILLION. IN ONE MONTH'S TIME OF DELAY THAT GOES UP 1.5% WE HAPPEN TO BE TALKING ABOUT ROUGHLY $100 MILLION PROJECT $100 MILLION PROJECT INCREASES 1.5% PER MONTH BECOMES A $101.5 MILLION PROJECT IN ONE MONTH. SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT FRANKLY, OUR BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT FACTOR INTO ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. WHETHER IT'S A FIRE STATION, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ADMIN BUILDING. APEX EXPANSIONS. ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE BEING AFFECTED BY THE CURRENT INFLATIONARY CLIMATE THAT WE HAVE UM, LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE REHAB AT THE TIME THEY PROPOSED IN OCTOBER. WAS $2.6 MILLION. IF YOU ADD THAT 1.5% MONTHLY INFLATION THAT IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE REHAB OF THAT BUILDING IN AUGUST , THAT'S JUST OVER $3 MILLION. SO THAT'S WHERE ONE OF THE NUMBERS THAT'S BEEN FLOATING AROUND COMES FROM $3 MILLION IF WE WERE TO JUMP ON IT IN AUGUST. CITY HALL REDESIGN FEES. THESE WOULD ACTUALLY BE FEES PAID TO THE CONSULTANT TEAM BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SCOPE OF SERVICES. THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE SCOPE OF SERVICES AND DOING WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN ASKED TO DO. AND TAKING DIRECTION FROM THE STEERING COMMITTEE THROUGHOUT TO ASK THEM TO GO AND REDESIGN AND

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THERE IS THE ISSUE OF MITIGATING ALL THE SOIL UNDERNEATH THAT FOUNDATION AND AROUND THAT BUILDING. WHICH NONE OF THE 2.62 NOW THREE MILLION HAD NO CONTEMPLATION AND HOW YOU EXCAVATE HOWEVER MANY FEET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THAT BUILDING AND HOW THAT BODY COULD OR COULDN'T BE PRESERVED. WILD HAPPENED, SO IT'S WHEN THIS THESE DISCUSSIONS WERE TAKING PLACE, AND BY THE TIME WE GOT TO THE DECISION WE KNEW WHAT THIS WITH THIS VERY LOW NUMBER WAS WITHOUT THIS TREMENDOUS UNKNOWN. AND KNOWING PART OF THAT UNKNOWN WAS COMPLETE EXCAVATION BOTH AROUND, AND THEN THAT WOULD HAVE WE COULD TAKE A PRETTY EDUCATED GUESS THAT THAT NUMBER WAS GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT MULTIPLE OF THIS, I BELIEVE THE NUMBER OR THE AMOUNT OF SOIL THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE FROM THE SITE IS ABOUT 1500 CUBIC YARDS, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT TRANSPORT OF POLLUTED MATERIALS. WE'VE ASKED OUR CONSULTANT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE ABOUT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT UNDERNEATH THE FOUNDATION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING. I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW. BUT I WOULD EXPECT THAT WOULD BE A VERY COSTLY AND VERY DIFFICULT IF EVEN POSSIBLE, PROUD PROJECT. WE HAD THE DISCUSSION AT THE TIME. I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS WERE THAT AGAIN WITHOUT DOING A DOING A. FULL UM VALUATION OF UNDERNEATH AND WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE. WE KNEW THAT THE BUILDING WAS BEING HELD TOGETHER. AS YOU STATED EARLIER BY STEEL CABLES AND A LOT OF OTHER ITEMS, AND SO THE UM, THE THOUGHT OF EXCAVATING WITHIN THE INSERT AN EXTRA THAT BUILDING WITH THE BUILDING. THAT STRUCTURE WAS NOT REALLY GOOD STANDING, BUT IT'S STANDING. WITH A LOT OF MODIFICATION OVER THE LAST I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE STEEL CABLES WERE FIRST PUT IN ALRIGHT, CORRECT. THANK YOU. HEY, BARRY. UH, WELL, I GOT YOU THERE. HOW FAR WOULD WE HAVE TO

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SO I'M REPRESENTING THE ARCHITECTS WITH LIKE FLATOW AND PARKHILL. IN ADDITION TO THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPANIES, YOU HAVE POKE CONSTRUCTION HERE IN THEIR REPRESENTATIVES WHO HAVE HELPED US WITH SOME OF THE COST STUDIES TO DATE. WITH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM DATA ENGINEER WHO ARE THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS HAVE RECORD WHO HAVE BEEN ON SITE EVALUATIONS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. WE ALSO HAVE W. J W. J E ENGINEERING WHO IS OUR FORENSIC ENGINEER WHO HAS AN EXPERTISE WITH THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES IN THIS TYPE OF CONDITION. AND THE LAST THAT WE HAVE DEEP BROWN, WHO IS ALSO A MASONRY EXPERT WITH THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES. AND SO THAT TEAM IS READY TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU MAY HAVE JUST TO KIND OF HIT. A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS IS VERY ALLUDED TO FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE PARKHILL LIKE LITTLE TEAM HAS EVALUATED THIS SITE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. WE WALKED, THE SITE LOOKED AT IT TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN BEST UTILIZE THIS AS WE FIT THIS INTO THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE NEW MUNICIPAL COMPLEX THAT BEGAN IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, A COMPREHENSIVE BUILDING SCAN WAS THEN PERFORMED IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE STRUCTURE IS HELPED US. DEVELOP OUR DRAWINGS AROUND WHAT'S EXACTLY THERE TO DATE.

FROM THERE. WE STARTED LOOKING AT MULTIPLE DESIGN OPTIONS AS YOU CAN SEE IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WE HAD A VISUAL ASSESSMENT AND SO ON SITE. DURING ABOUT A HALF DAY SESSION. YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ARCHITECTS, CONTRACTORS, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS, ALL THE DIFFERENT EXPERTS WERE ABLE TO TAKE THE LIFTS AND OTHER TYPE OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEEDED TO FULLY VISUALLY OBSERVED THE SPACES INTO PROVIDE SOME BETTER DIRECTION AS TO WHAT WILL BE OUR BEST DESIGN OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD. SO FROM THAT OUR DESIGN TEAM STARTED TO CREATE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT YOU'VE SEEN TO DATE. IN WORKING ALONGSIDE POPE CONSTRUCTION TO UNDERSTAND THE COST. IMPLICATIONS OF LOGISTIC IMPLICATIONS ARE DEVELOPING THOSE. BARRY DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING SOME OF THESE PICTURES, AND SO HE'S GOT MUCH MORE TECHNICAL THAN MOST OF OUR CITY. FOLKS WOULD SO I WON'T BE LABOR THIS BUT DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE ALSO SEEING HERE . THERE IS SOME SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH THIS FACILITY, AND SO YOU'RE SEEING THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT THERE WITH THE CRACKS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE FACILITY. A LOT OF THESE ARE MULTIPLE BRICKS DEEP.

AND SO IT'S NOT JUST HAIRLINES SUPER SUPERFICIAL CRACKING, BUT SUBSTANTIAL CRACKING, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE FURTHER INVESTIGATED TO UNDERSTAND AND DETERMINE HOW TO BEST REMEDIATE. YOU'RE ALSO NOTICING THE DAYLIGHT ALONG THE TOP IMAGES OF WHERE THE ROOF HAS SEPARATED FROM THE ACTUAL WALLS THEMSELVES TO MAYORS POINT HOW THESE THINGS BEING HELD UP IS A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTION. AND SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW REMEDIATION PIECES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED IN JUST FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY, KEEPING THIS BUILDING ON SITE, THEN YOU'RE ALSO SINGING SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL REBAR THAT'S BEING EXPOSED BRICK THAT'S ELIMINATING . AND SO IF THERE IS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TECHNICALLY OF WHAT WE SAW WITH THE TEAM IS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOS, WE HAPPY TO ENTER. THOSE QUESTIONS ARE DIRECTED TO THE APPROPRIATE PERSON. I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A POINT OF REFERENCE FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THAT REBAR THAT'S EXPOSED. OF COURSE, WHEN THAT WHEN THAT WAS FIRST, UM BUT IN PLACE THAT REVERB THAT REBAR WAS, OF COURSE WITHIN THE CONCRETE. SO THE CONCRETE HAS ERODED BENEATH TO BE ABLE TO NOW SEE THE RE BARAK. I'M JUST FOR THOSE WHO DON'T. THERE'S BEEN SUBSTANTIAL DEGRADING OF THE CONCRETE AROUND THIS REBAR THAT'S EXPOSED AT WHICH CREATES ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL CHALLENGES. DONE THAT REBAR THAT REBAR IS IN THE CEILING. CORRECT. I HAVE TO. RIGHT THE BUILDING ITSELF WAS BUILT WITHOUT REBAR. I DON'T THINK THERE'S REBAR IN THE FOUNDATION IS THAT CORRECT ALSO? SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXISTING DRAWINGS OF THIS BUILDING. AND SO WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE SOME EDUCATED GUESSES AS TO WHAT TYPE OF FOUNDATION SYSTEMS WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED. AND SO THERE ARE SPOTS ON THIS BUILDING THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S SOME DEGRADING OF THE VOID FORMS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDERNEATH THE POTENTIAL SLAB, AND SO THERE WAS SOME STRUCTURAL CHALLENGES THERE AS WELL. RIGHT BUT THERE ARE HOLES KNOCKED IN THE BUILDING AND VARIOUS PLACES WHERE THE

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SEVERAL OF STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS PRODUCING THE DAYLIGHT. THE BEAMS THEMSELVES ARE STARTING TO PULL OFF AWAY FROM THAT WALL. AND SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH BEING TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT IN ITS CURRENT FORM. SO WHILE THIS IS THE OBSERVATION THAT THE TEAM HAS MADE WHAT WE WANTED TO SHARE AS WELL IS RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANT HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS FACILITY IN THIS COMMUNITY WAYS THAT WE CAN ENHANCE AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE NEW PLAZA, AND SO I'M GONNA HAVE JAMES WILLIAMS STEP UP HERE AND TALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE PLAZA DESIGN THAT THE TEAM IS NOW CONSIDERING TO HELP MEMORIALIZE THIS ICE HOUSE.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. PLEASURE TO BE HERE JUST TO WALK THROUGH. THE CURRENT CONCEPT FOR THE ICEHOUSE AT THIS TIME ARE THE CIVIC PLAZA AND ICEHOUSE REMNANT , AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS NAIL DOWN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE HOUSE WITH THE SOUTHEAST CORNER BEING PHYSICAL REMNANTS OF THE BRICK KIND OF A REBUILT PORTION OF IT, BUT THE SYMBOLIZE THAT AND STEPPING IT DOWN IN SEVERAL LAYERS. TO KIND OF REPRESENT KIND OF A RUIN RELIC OF THE ICEHOUSE WITH SOME GATHERING SPACE INTERIOR TO IT TO KIND OF CREATE A PLACE OF SOLITUDE FOR THAT CIVIC PLAZA.

AND THEN ELLEN DOWN THE OTHER THREE CORNERS WITH SORT OF A SURVEY MONUMENT THAT WOULD HAVE SOME HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO IT TIED INTO THE TOP, SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE WALK ALONG THERE THEY CAN SEE THAT. THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER, AND MAYBE IT HAS A LITTLE DESCRIPTION ABOUT THE ICEHOUSE SOMETHING HISTORICAL HISTORICAL VALUE BUILT INTO IT. UM AND THEN JUST PROVIDING A GUIDE. INTO THE MAIN PROMENADE. AWAY. INTO THIS SPACE , JUST A NICE PLACE OF SOLITUDE, BUT GIVEN, UM CONTEXT BACK TO THE ICE HOUSE AS WELL AS MAYBE SOME HISTORICAL PLAQUES IN THERE. BUT AS I SAID, THIS IS A CONCEPT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL COMMENTS BACK FROM THE CITY'S HISTORICAL PRESERVATION OFFICER, POLLEN ASTA. THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE INTO THAT RIGHT NOW. SO STILL WORK IN PROGRESS. ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS PORTION OF THE CIVIC PLAZA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHO. WITH THAT? ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DESIGNER ENGINEERING TEAM? I'M GONNA ASK SOME QUESTIONS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION BASED ON QUESTIONS THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM THE COMMUNITY HERE. WHY 5 TO 8 MONTHS SO THAT YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD FOLKS WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SYSTEMS THAT YOU CAN KIND OF PLUG SOME NUMBERS IN BASED ON THE CURRENT DESIGN TO TRY TO SCALE IT BACK SOME TO ALLOW SPACE FOR THE ICEHOUSE. WHY THEN THE 5 TO 8 MONTHS. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WERE SUBSTANTIALLY, UH FAR ALONG IN OUR DESIGN PROCESS. WE'RE WITHIN A COUPLE OF PROBABLY TWO MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE 100% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT'S TAKEN US. ALMOST 18 MONTHS TO GET TO THIS POINT, AND SO THE ABILITY TO COME BACK AND MOVE THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO CREATE AN ISSUE ON ALL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ENTIRE FACILITY, WHICH WILL IMPACT ALL FIVE FLOORS, WHICH WOULD ALSO REQUIRE US TO REALLY LOOK AT THE STRUCTURAL SYSTEM ON THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS . AND SO WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN EASY TO SHIFT. THIS THING OVER HAS A MUCH LONGER RIPPLE EFFECT. AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT 5 TO 8 MONTHS AS WELL AS GOING BACK THROUGH ALL OF THE CITY'S VARIOUS BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND EVERYBODY ELSE MAKING SURE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THE REASON THAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE A FACT EIGHT MONTHS. QUESTIONS. GULLIVER. OTHER QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE WANT TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS SIDE? WELL I MEAN, I JUST SAY IT THERE THAT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY HAVE A GRATITUDE FOR THIS

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WE HAVE NOT TO HAVE THIS ICE HOUSE, BUT I MEAN I THINK YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THAT WE JUST MOVE FORWARD AND GO ON THE WAY. YEAH I, UM I JUST WANT TO SAY I STATED THAT I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH A FRIEND YESTERDAY AND HE WAS HAD BEEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR A WHILE AND WAS ASKING ME TO KIND OF CATCH HIM UP ON MY PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE WE WERE ON THE ICE HOUSE. AND I TOLD HIM I SAID, YOU KNOW, 18 MONTHS AGO IF YOU HAD ASKED ME AND WAS THE ICEHOUSE GOING TO BE PRESERVED? I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU INVEST EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR YOU HAVE KNOWING THAT NO MATTER WHAT WERE , YOU KNOW THERE'S A THERE'S ODDS IN VEGAS. WHETHER WE ARE AREN'T INVEST EVERYTHING YOU HAVE, BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THAT ICE HOUSE AND THAT'S HOW I FOR ME. THERE IS NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THIS ICE HOUSE. UM, I ALSO APOLOGIZE TO HIM THAT HAD HE DONE THAT. HE HAD LOST EVERYTHING I THINK NOW, BUT IT WAS. MY POINT IS, IT WAS NOT A LIGHT DECISION. IT WASN'T A LIGHT DECISION WHEN THEY CAME IN WITH THE FIRST ASSESSMENT. THEN WHEN THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS WENT IN AND DID A DEEPER DIVE, IT BECAME A YOU KNOW BECAME MORE APPARENT THAN WHEN WE STARTED DIGGING INTO. WELL, DO WE KNOW THIS IS THE NUMBER NOW? WE DON'T KNOW. THIS IS THE NUMBER AT ALL. HERE ARE THE OTHER ISSUES THAT THERE MAY BE WE STARTED LOOKING AT AGAIN, THE SOILS, MITIGATION AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND IS IT EVEN PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE? IS IT IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THIS 100 YEAR OLD BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN PULLED TOGETHER WITH CABLES AND A ROOF THAT IS SEPARATED FROM ITS STRUCTURE. SUSTAIN ITSELF IN AN UPRIGHT POSITION WHILE WE EXCAVATED AROUND AND INSIDE AND THE EDUCATED GUESS ALL AROUND THE TABLE WAS PROBABLY NOT. BUTT POSSIBLE POSSIBLE? PROBABLY NOT . WHAT'S THE COST A LOT, AND THAT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE. IT WAS OVERWHELMING WHEN WE STARTED DIVING INTO WHAT IT WOULD REALLY TAKE. AND THEN WHEN IT GOT TO THE END, WHAT WE REALIZED IS OUR MOST PROBABLE OUTCOME. WOULD BE IF WE ATTEMPTED TO SAVE THE STRUCTURE. ONCE WE GOT INTO THE MITIGATION REALIZED THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO IT IN A FASHION THAT, UM, THAT BUILDING WOULD WITHSTAND THE WORK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. IF WE WILL DO THE FIRST PART WHILE WE ADDRESS THE UNDERNEATH OF THE BUILDING THAT WE WILL PROBABLY ULTIMATELY END UP HAVING TO TAKE THE BUILDING DOWN, CLEAN EDGE, BREAK AND TRY TO REBUILD IT, AND THEN WE'D HAVE A REPLICA OF THE ICEHOUSE. AGAIN WE DID NOT TAKE THIS LIGHTLY. WE MET EVERY TURN . WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KEEP THE ICE OUT. SO AS MAYOR PRO TEM SAID. EVERY DECISION WE MADE UP TO THIS POINT HAS BEEN BASED ON THIS INFORMATION AND PUSHING BACK AND PUSHING BACK AND PUSHING BACK AND PUSHING BACK UNTIL IT JUST AT SOME POINT WE HAD TO SET THE EMOTION ASIDE AND EVERY BUILDING THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN AND MCKINNEY PEOPLE TO SAY, WELL, EVERYONE COMES HERE FOR THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, HISTORIC NATURE. AND THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO A GREAT EXTENT. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS A SYNERGY THAT HAPPENS ON HISTORIC SQUARE AND IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OUTPOST BUILDING AND ONE THAT'S BEEN NEGLECTED FOR MANY, MANY, MANY DECADES. UM YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A BUILDING LIKE THAT, AND ROOF SEPARATE. SOME WATER GOES DOWN WITHIN THE MASONRY STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER, AND THEN YOU HAVE FREEZES THAT WATER EXPANDS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THAT CRACKING. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE BRICK DE LAMINATING. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THOSE ISSUES. THAT'S WHY UNDERSIDE REBAR THAT USED TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT

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IN MY PERSONAL LIFE I OFFICE IN A HISTORIC BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY I OFFICE AND WHAT WAS THE COMMERCIAL HOTEL? UM BUILT IN THE 18 NINETIES, AND IT HAS NO REBAR IN IT EITHER. UM AND YOU KNOW WHAT I DO IS EVERY WEEK I GO TO MY WINDOW SILLS AND I CLEAN OFF THE DUST FROM THE MORTAR THAT IS CRACKING IN THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND SETTLING DOWN THERE. UM I DON'T HAVE TO OFFICE THERE. I LIKE THE WHOLE BIT. I LOVE THE STORY OF THE BUILDING. I LOVE THE STORY OF THIS BUILDING. I LOVE THAT BUILDING. I LOVE STORIES, AND I LOVE MCKINNEY. UM BUT A LITTLE PEEK UNDER THE HOOD OF MY LIFE IS WHEN YOU GET ON COUNCIL. ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO IS TO SUBORDINATE YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS AND HONOR PAST COUNCILS. WHENEVER YOU CAN, BECAUSE MY OUR FIRST JOB IS A FIDUCIARY TO THE TAXPAYER OF MCKINNEY. AND SO I HAVE A BIAS TOWARD THAT TOWARD HONORING THE PRIOR COUNCILS, BUT I STILL WENT THROUGH ALL THE MACHINATIONS MYSELF TO TRY TO GET TO WHERE THEY ARE. AND I AM THERE. I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT THE AIR HERE WAS A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND IN IS AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN HIS COUNCIL DISCOVERED IT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I KNOW IT'S NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING WITH A PLAQUE. BUT I GET MR FOWLER YOU YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO YOU IN MISS MISS RINGLEY, MR MCKERROW, I'LL SAY THAT YOU'RE DUE DILIGENCE. DIGGING UP STUFF ON THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN WONDERFUL AND THE WHOLE THING WITH THE UNITY IS NOTHING I'D REALLY HEARD ABOUT UNTIL TODAY. IN TERMS OF THE AH! YOU KNOW, DID IT DID ALLOW PEOPLE OF COLOR AND EVERYTHING TO GO THERE, AND THAT IS A BIG DEAL. BUT THERE'S THREE WORDS THAT THAT I WANT TO GO OVER QUICKLY THAT I HAVE TO INCORPORATE INTO THE WAY THAT I DO THINGS AND THAT'S TRUST, CULTURE AND GRACE. WE CAN'T KNOW EVERYTHING. I MEAN, THE PEOPLE UP HERE. THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE YOU KNOW ALL OVER THIS COUNCIL, SOMETHING HAVE PHDS AND DOCTORATE DEGREES. NO I RESPECT IT. I'VE GOT A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM THE DIRECTIONAL SCHOOL, SO I'M PRETTY HUMBLE IN BUT I'M A PRETTY QUICK LEARNER. BUT I HAVE TO TRUST THE EXPERTS. I HAVE TO TRUST MISS JACKSON. I HAVE TO TRUST BARRY. I HAVE TO TRUST THESE PEOPLE, AND I WILL TRUST HIM UNTIL THEY SHOW ME DIFFERENT. THE OTHER THING. I WANT TO HAND THIS TO MR GRIMES. A MAN ON MY RIGHT IS CULTURE. HE HAS A CULTURE IN IN THIS CITY OF BIG IDEAS AND AGGRESSIVENESS. THIS WAS A BIG IDEA TO SAVE THIS, AND ONE COULD EASILY. WE CAN LITIGATE. THIS IS ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACKS IS A CART HORSE ISSUE. SHOULD THE CITY HAVE COME OUT AND SAY CONCEPTUALLY, WE WANT TO SAVE THE ICEHOUSE BEFORE THAT JUNE, 2021 STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING STUDY WAS DONE. YOU COULD SAY PROBABLY NOT, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY NOT. BUT IT WAS THAT GETS THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS GRACE. I WANT I'M. FAR FROM PERFECT AND WE WILL DO OUR LEVEL BEST UP HERE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BAT 1000. AND THIS IS

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WHAT WE CAN DO IS UTILIZE THOSE BRICKS TO BUILD SOME KIND OF REPLICA AS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THAT SO THIS IS A SAD DECISION. IF IT'S A DECISION AT ALL FOR ME, AND MY DECISION REALLY IS DO I PESTER THESE PEOPLE TO RELITIGATE THIS? IT'S A SAD DECISION TO SAY NO, BUT IT'S NOT HARD DECISION. FOR ME. IT'S A FIDUCIARY, THE TAXPAYER, THE CITY MCKINNEY. THIS IS JUST THE WAY IT'S GOTTA GO. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. JUST TAKE IT FROM DIFFERENT APPROACH. I FIND THAT DECISIONS MADE UPON EMOTIONAL BASIS, RARELY RESULT IN ECONOMIC PROSPERITY. I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH PATRICK AND MAYOR FULLER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HINDSIGHT IS 2020. WE SEE WHERE THE MISTAKES WERE MADE. WE OWN THEM, AND WE'RE TRULY SORRY FOR NOT BEING MORE TRANSPARENT AND UPFRONT WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON. BUT I DO AGREE. I MEAN, WE I AM NOT AN ENGINEER. I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DESIGN OF A BUILDING OR WHATEVER THE SYSTEM IS WHERE YOU PLUG THESE NUMBERS IN AND TRY TO JUST I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. BUT I DO AGREE. WE HAVE TO TRUST THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE HERE. THEY'VE DONE IT PHENOMENAL JOB SO FAR. I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO BETH'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE HP BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE BOARDS. CHARLIE AND I ARE LIAISONS FOR, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE THE DUTIES OF THAT BOARD HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS CURRENTLY EVALUATING , BECAUSE WHAT I DO WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE IS WHEN THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS COME UP. WE HAVE OTHER BRAINS AT THE TABLE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND A DIFFERENT SET OF SKILLS THAT CAN GIVE US REALLY GREAT INPUT ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED. I THINK FOR US TRYING TO PROCEED WITH WHAT WE HAVE. I THINK WE MADE THE BEST DECISION THAT WE COULD ON BEHALF OF THE TAXPAYERS, BUT WE DO NEED TO BRING OTHER BRAINS TO THE TABLE.

SO WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THE ROLES OF THAT BOARD AND ADJUSTING HOW WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE NOT JUST EVERYTHING WEST OF HIGHWAY FIVE, BUT EVEN BEYOND THAT, SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE REMAINING. WE HAVE TO BE VERY PROACTIVE ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO PRESERVE THOSE. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING TO THE BOARD. YOU'LL GET READY BECAUSE SOME WORK BUT WE'RE GONNA BE COMING TO THE BOARD WITH SOME NEW DUTIES FOR YOU. ALRIGHT WELL, BEFORE WE MOVE ON NOMINATION, I'M GONNA END ON ONE COMMENT JUST AND I DO AGREE WITH, UM ALL THE COMMENTS OF WERE MADE HERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WELL, IT'S NOT. I AGREE WITH THE UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE. BUT THE GIVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS THE WRONG THING TO SHOW THE ICEHOUSE INITIALLY FOR ME THAT WAS BEING TRANSPARENT. THAT WAS THE INTENTION. THE INTENTION WAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT. SO WHY WOULD WE NOT DO THAT? UM SO I THINK THAT FROM THAT ASPECT I DON'T I DON'T CONSIDER THAT THAT WHAT WE DID WAS A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. YOU CAN ACCUSE US OF BEING MAYBE OVERLY TRANSPARENT FROM THAT STANDPOINT , AND THAT WE WERE HAS THE IDEAS CAME AND AS WE AS WE VENTURED, UH DOWN THIS PATH. WE SHOWED THE PUBLIC WHAT WE WERE THINKING THAT WAS KEEPING THE ICEHOUSE THE FACT THAT WE ULTIMATELY REALIZE AND DETERMINE THAT WE COULDN'T I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE SET AN EXPECTATION. AND THAT EXPECTATION NOW IS NOT MET. AND THAT IS THAT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE. THE TRANSPARENCY ASPECT FOR ME IS LACK OF COMMUNICATION WASN'T ANY ATTEMPT TO LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IS THAT PERIOD WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH GETTING THE REPORTS THE INITIAL TO THE MORE IN DEPTH TO GETTING OUT THERE WITH EQUIPMENT AND TESTING, TAKING A BORING SAMPLE. IT IS CERTAINLY PLAUSIBLE. IF I COULD GO BACK IN TIME, I WOULD HAVE ASKED TO SET UP TWO MEANINGS IN BETWEEN THAT PERIOD SAYING, HEY, GUYS! YELLOW FLASHING LIGHT HERE. CAUTION WE JUST REALIZED WE MAY HAVE AN ISSUE HAD ANOTHER MEETING THAT THAT MAYBE THAT LIGHT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN YELLOW AND RED AND ORANGE SAYING, HEY, UM, WOW, THIS IS GETTING A LOT WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT. THAT'S THE PART. I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT I WISH I WOULD HAVE COMMUNICATED BETTER. BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, AND YOU'RE AND YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, UM IT SLIPPED BY AND SO AGAIN FOR THAT. I APOLOGIZE. I REGRET THAT WE SET AN EXPECTATION BY SHOWING IT BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS WRONG IN THE BEGINNING TO SHOW WHAT OUR INTENTION WAS. YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT I THINK WOULD BE WRONG IF WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T SHOW HER INTENTION SO BUT AGAIN APPRECIATE THE OTHER

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[Update on Downtown Refuse Collection]

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AND THE COMMERCIAL RATE WAS 25% INCREASE OVER THE COURSE OF THREE YEARS, SO THE 1ST AND 2ND OF THOSE INCREASES HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED. FIRST WAS JULY ONE OF 2021. ANOTHER ONE ON JANUARY ONE OF 2022. THEN I'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU PROBABLY NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE FINAL 5% RATE INCREASE. WHICH WOULD BE EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE OF 2023. PREVIOUS DIRECTION. KIND OF GETTING TO THE MEAT OF THIS DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL RATE INCREASED REQUEST FROM VOICE CONNECTIONS. PUT A PAUSE A LITTLE BIT ON MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE DOWNTOWN COLLECTION RATES. WHY IS THAT? I CAN DIRECT YOUR EYES TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE HERE IS REALLY BASED AROUND THE FACT THAT THE GAP IN DIFFERENCE IN SERVICE OF EQUIVALENT SERVICE I SHOULD SAY IN THE DOWNTOWN AND ALSO THE LENGTH OF TIME SINCE THE DOWNTOWN HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN 1993 WAS WHEN THE DOWNTOWN ORDINANCE WAS ESTABLISHED AT THOSE RATES THAT THEY'RE LITERALLY JUST DEFINED AS LOW MODERATE AND HIGH IN THE ORDINANCE, AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE VARIOUS RATES ARE. THE NEXT COLUMN OVER THERE IS IF YOU HAD EQUIVALENT SERVICE OFF OF THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE FOR LOW, MODERATE OR HIGH WHAT WE BELIEVE THOSE THOSE RATES WOULD BE. SO THE COUNCIL GAVE SOME DIRECTION TO SAY THERE'S SOME. THERE'S SOME NEED THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING AND GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES HAVE SOME MEETINGS WITH THEM THAT SEEK THEIR FEEDBACK AND LET'S MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT FEEDBACK BEFORE ANY FINAL DECISION TO MAKE SO WE DID THAT.

WE HAD TWO MEETINGS LAST YEAR IN JULY AND AUGUST TO BE BLUNT, THE VERY FIRST ONE, WHICH WAS WHICH WAS ADVERTISED IN COORDINATION WITH CAMS AND MARKETING, AND ALSO MAIN STREET THAT WAS HELD AT IMPACT AND GET FIVE OR 5 30. THERE WAS 66 BUSINESSES THAT ATTENDED WE DIDN'T LIKE THAT WANTED TO TRY TO TAKE ANOTHER SHOT. SO WE INCORPORATED I WENT DOWN AND PRESENTED AT AN ACTUAL MONTHLY MAIN STREET MEETING AND JUST TOOK SOME TIME THERE AT THE START OF THAT MEETING TO HAVE A SIMILAR PRESENTATION TO THE ONE WE HAD IN JULY, OBVIOUSLY MORE WELL ATTENDED. IT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OVERALL MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION. WE HAD THOSE 21 OF THE CHALLENGES IN THE DOWNTOWN, THOUGH, IS THE INCONSISTENT BUILDING. THE COUNCIL MAY RECALL THAT CURRENTLY WASTE CONNECTIONS LIKE THEY DO FOR ALL OTHER COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. THEY DO THE ACTUAL BILLING FOR THAT COLLECTION. UM, BUT THE TAKE RATE IF I MAY, OR THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE AN ACCOUNT IS EXTREMELY LOUD AND THEY AREA OF 70 TO 80% DO NOT HAVE AN ACCOUNT. UM PART OF THAT, I THINK IS HISTORY. PART OF IT IS THE FACT THAT WASTE CONNECTIONS DOES THE BILLING PART OF IT IS HOW THE SERVICES ARE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND. IT'S DIFFERENT FROM OTHER COMMERCIAL SERVICES, BUT THAT'S A CHALLENGE. UM AND THE LAST POINT HERE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN SERVICES COST SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN EQUIVALENT SERVICES AND OTHER AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WE DID HAVE THOSE MEETINGS WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES? WHAT CAME OUT OF IT? WHAT DID THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES WANT TO EXPRESS TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HEARD FROM THEM? THERE'S REALLY THERE WAS THREE THEMES THAT CAME OUT OF THAT NUMBER ONE KEEP MY PRICE AS LOW AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. NUMBER TWO. WHATEVER MY PRICES IF I GOTTA PAY IT, MAKE SURE MY NAME BRING BUSINESSES GOING BAD WHEN THE INFORMATION CAME OUT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES DOWN THERE THAT DON'T HAVE AN ACCOUNT. OBVIOUSLY IF I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT IS PAYING, I KNOW THAT MOST OF GENERALLY SPEAKING THROUGH TO MY FOUR NEIGHBORS OR NOT. I MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT, SO WHATEVER THE RATES ARE GOING TO BE, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A QUALITY ACROSS HOW THOSE RATES ARE DISTRIBUTED AND COLLECTED. AND THE LAST ONE. IF WE CAN CAN WE MAKE SOME EITHER FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AESTHETICS AND THE DOWNTOWN GENERALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS ELIMINATE, POTENTIALLY CONSIDER ELIMINATING THE TOTAL PROGRAM. NOW THAT GOES AWAY, THOUGH, IT WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE OPTIONS. WE GET DOWN. IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK MAY BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE WORK FOR THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES IN TERMS OF HAVING TO POTENTIALLY TRAVEL TO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE, AND WE PROBABLY HAVE TO ADD A FEW. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, AND THE COUNCIL WILL ULTIMATELY NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION. NOT TONIGHT. WE THINK WE CAN GET YOU SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION VIA THE RFP PROCESS TO MAKE THE MOST INFORMED DECISION POSSIBLE. BUT THOSE THOSE WERE THE THREE KIND OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT CAME FROM THE MEETINGS WITH THE DOWNTOWN. SOME OF THE ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES. I TALKED A LITTLE BIT BEFORE ABOUT WASTE CONNECTIONS DOING THE BUILDING IN THE DOWNTOWN AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS THAT SO DIFFICULT IF I'M OUTSIDE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT OF THE DOWNTOWN AND I CLEARLY I'M GOING TO NEED TO SIGN UP FOR REFUSE SERVICE FOR MY BUSINESS. I DON'T PAY MY ACCOUNT RIGHT SET UP FOR ONE. MY TRASH IS GOING TO IT'S GOING TO SIT THERE AND IT'S GOING TO ACCUMULATE EVENTUALLY, CODE PROBLEM. WE'RE GOING TO TRACK IT AND WE'RE GOING TO GET

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THE PROGRAM CHANGED A LITTLE BIT FROM THE OLDER BAG PROGRAM WE HAD, THEY WOULD LITERALLY JUST PUT YOUR BAG OUTSIDE. THERE IS SOME HEALTH ISSUES WITH THAT. WE CERTAINLY GOT COMPLAINTS ABOUT.

FORTUNATELY AS THE DOWNTOWN GROUP IS THAT THE LOOK THAT THE CITY WANTS THE TOTAL PROGRAM IS IMPLEMENTED. IN MY OPINION, I THINK, IN MOST PEOPLE'S OPINION THAT AESTHETICALLY IS DEFINITELY IMPROVEMENT FROM JUST BANGS BEING OUT ON THE SIDEWALKS. BUT AS THE CITY COUNCIL WANT TO GO A STEP FURTHER THAN THAT, AND AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN PROVIDE YOU SOME INFORMATION, ULTIMATELY WHAT IT MAY COST TO DO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THAT WILL BE A DECISION POINT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL NEED TO MAKE. UM WE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING CURRENTLY DONE BY WASTE CONNECTIONS. SO I THINK THERE'S THREE POLICY AREAS HERE THAT ULTIMATELY OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NEED TO DECIDE UPON NUMBER ONE WHO PAYS FOR THE GARBAGE SERVICES IN THE DOWNTOWN. AND FROM STAFFS PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S THREE OPTIONS FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNERS COULD PAY FOR IT BASED ON THEIR BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE ASSESSED EVALUATION. THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT THE BUSINESSES THEMSELVES COULD PAY FOR IT. AND THAT'S OUR CURRENT MODEL PER ORDINANCE. EACH BUSINESS IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE REFUSE SERVICE SCHEME BASED ON THAT LOW, MODERATE OR HIGH. OR SEE IF THE CITY COUNCIL CHOSE TO. THEY COULD FULLY SUBSIDIZE THE DOWNTOWN. BUT REALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT OBVIOUSLY OTHER TAXPAYERS RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES WHO ARE PAYING TAXES THE CITY OF MCKINNEY ARE PAYING FOR SUBSIDIZING THE DATA ON SERVICE. BUT IT IS IT IS AN ACTRESS. HOWARD GARBAGE SERVICES COLLECTION, A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IS ONE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THE COUNCIL'S TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE CERTAINLY COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS THAT DO IT THAT WAY. FORTS WORTH WACO, PLANO, DALLAS AUSTIN ARE ALL EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT SPECIFIC TO THEIR DOWNTOWN. SO UM, WE'LL TALK THAT THERE'S A SLIDES JUST AFTER THIS ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT IS A APPEARED. WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH IT? IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE DOWNTOWN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND, THE CITY COULD BUILD BASED JUST ON THE SURFACE LEVEL. WE COULD PULL IT OUT OF THE PRIVATE PROVIDERS. JOB DUTY AND START BUILDING FOR THAT OURSELVES. HOW WE BUILD FOR WATER. YOU CANNOT HAVE A PAYMENT SYSTEM AGAIN IF IT WAS SUBSIDIZED BY THE CITY. OR YOU COULD HAVE THE SERVICE PROVIDER BE THE ONE THAT ALSO PROVIDES THE BILLING. AND THEN HOW IS THE GARBAGE BASICALLY TRANSFERRED OR SERVICE FOR ME TO THE BUSINESSES? THE FIRST OPTION. THERE IS BASICALLY PUSHCARTS, SO EACH OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS WOULD TAKE THEIR OWN GARBAGE TO A CENTRAL LOCATION OR A DUMPSTER , ONE OF THE ONES THAT WOULD BE IN THE CITY. IT WOULD REQUIRE MORE WORK ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS OWNER TO DO THAT. AESTHETICALLY THOUGH THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST LOOKING THAT THE CITY COULD HAVE, BECAUSE YOU WOULD REMOVE THE TOTALS. YOU WOULD MOVE GARBAGE BAGS, IT TAKES REQUIRES MORE PHYSICAL EFFORT, THOUGH, TO DO THAT. SECOND YOU COULD HAVE THE TYPE OF TURTLE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE. NOW WE SEE THE TOTALS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THEN THEY'RE SERVICED SIX DAYS A WEEK CURRENTLY CAN SHEAR SERVICE. THE DEFINITION OF THAT CHANGES A LITTLE BIT BASED ON THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE IN, BUT BASICALLY, IN MY OPINION, THAT WOULD BE THE HIGHEST TIER OF SERVICE FROM A CONVENIENCE FACTOR FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS MEETING WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA COME TO YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS. GENERALLY SPEAKING AT A SPECIFIED TIME OR MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THE DAY, AND WE'RE GONNA COLLECT YOUR GARBAGE AND WHERE YOU WORRY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT TAKE IT TO THE ENCLOSURE OR SOME PLACES LIKE DENTON OR GEORGETOWN. THEY TAKE IT DIRECTLY TO THE LANDFILL IF THEY HAVE THAT ACCESS IN TALKING WITH MIGHT ALSO WRANGLING. HAM I DON'T KNOW THAT CASHIER SERVICE AT LEAST RIGHT NOW FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY IS REALLY THAT FEASIBLE OF AN OPTION DUE TO COST. DO THAT THE STRUCTURE OF DOWNTOWN JUST HOW IT'S LAID OUT. I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY HARD TO IMPLEMENT THAT AND IF IT WAS IMPLEMENTED, THE COST WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN THEY ARE NOW FOR EITHER THE CITY TO PAY FOR AND WHERE THE BUSINESS OWNERS ANY ANY QUESTIONS ON. ON THAT ONE. AT LEAST AT LEAST. FROM WHAT THE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. I'M ASSUMING. IS THIS, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR TERRORIST FUNDING AT ALL? WE LOOKED AT THAT. QUESTION, WHICH IS THE ASSIGNMENT IS BUT KEEP IN MIND IF WE TOURS. AT THAT MONEY THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED TO RE MESS IN THE COMMUNITY IS GENERALLY EXPENSE THAT EVERY BUSINESS PAYS. SO EVERY BUSINESS I HAVE ACROSS THE CITY AND YOU HAVE AND ANYONE ELSE HERE. UM YOU KNOW, WE PAY FOR THAT EXPENSE, WHETHER IT'S PART OF OUR TRIPLE NETS TO A LARGER LANDLORD WHERE THERE IS A DUMPSTER THAT I MEAN, JUST TAKE

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WELL. JUMP IN. IT COULD BE PAID WITH TERRORIST FUNDS UNDERSTAND MAYOR'S POSITION ON WHY WOULDN'T BUT THE PERIOD IS KIND OF A SIMILAR FLAVOR OF THE SAME IDEA. WHERE YOU WOULD COLLECT MONEY FROM THE USERS IN THE DOWNTOWN TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICE. SO THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT THESE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. YES SIR. THIS WOULD BE A SIR. EVERYONE ELSE UNDERSTANDS ARE DON'T UNDERSTAND. CLARIFY FOR THEM. IT IS NOT LIKE A TOURS OR OR CHAPTER 38 AGREEMENT. ANYTHING WHERE YOU'RE TAKING TAX DOLLARS , WHETHER THAT BE A STORM OR SALES TAX DOLLARS. THIS IS A SPECIFIC TAX SPECIFIC ASSESSMENT . BE HONEST ASSESSMENT. ABSOLUTELY VERY GOOD. CLAIRE CLARIFICATION. THAT IS NOW BACK TO BUSINESS IS PAYING. FOR A SERVICE THAT ANY OTHER BUSINESS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY WOULD BE PAYING. YES, I THINK STEVE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT ON THIS SLIDE THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER SERVICES THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN A DOWNTOWN PID. EVERYTHING FROM ARTWORK TO OTHER SERVICES STREET IMPROVEMENTS, AND I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HIS SLIDE. BUT EVEN SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN EVENTS SO I'M GOING TO GET OFF THE STAGE. STEVE I JUST FIND COMMENT ON YOUR ANTICIPATION OF GEORGIA'S QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. FOR APPRECIATE IT. THAT DOES ACTUALLY TF VERY WELL FOR YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT? YOU KNOW, FROM THE TECHNICAL ASPECT? I DON'T NEED TO READ IT FOR YOU CAN READ THAT. BUT MARK GAVE A GREAT X MARKING THE MAYOR GAVE A GREAT EXPLANATION OF WHAT IT IS. IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE BE AN ASSESSMENT FOR COULD BE REFUSE SERVICE AND ITS STAFF'S OPINION AND TALKING WITH MARK AND PAUL.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT A PIT MAKES SENSE FOR THE DOWNTOWN UNLESS THERE IS A DESIRE BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO EXPAND UPON WHAT THAT PIG WOULD BE USED FOR. IF IT'S JUST FOR REFUSE SERVICE, AND REALLY THE WHERE THIS IDEA CAME FROM, WAS THE SECOND BULLET POINT ABOUT THE ASSESSMENT AND THE FAIRNESS. IF YOU PUT IN A PET, IT'S IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASSESSED. IT'S GOING TO GO ON.

YOU'RE GOING TO YOUR TAXABLE YOU'RE GOING TO PAY IT OR WE'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT YOU DON'T PAY IT, AND IT WILL CERTAINLY HELP IN ELIMINATING THE INEQUITY ISSUE THAT IS CURRENTLY DOWN THERE. UM, BUT IT'S IT MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT AVENUE, IF THE ONLY THING AND THE ONLY REASON THE CITY WANTS TO DO IT IS STRICTLY FOR REFUSE IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO EXPAND SERVICES, UM HAVE BUSINESS OWNERS PARTICIPATE LARGER FINANCIALLY AND SOME OF THE, UM FESTIVALS, THINGS THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN. OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY GO ON THE DOWNTOWN CERTAINLY FROM STAFFS PERSPECTIVE THAT CAN MAKE SOME SENSE TO FURTHER DIVE INTO IF A PET IS RIGHT, AND THAT KIND OF LEADS INTO THE NEXT SLIDE. WHAT CAN A PIT BE USED FOR AGAIN? WATER WASTEWATER, SANITATION THINGS THAT ARE RELATED IN THIS CASE TO THE DOWNTOWN. UM GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT CAN BE USED FOR IT, UM AND ADVISORY BOARD COULD BE PUT TOGETHER, AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY COUNCIL CONTROLS IT. IT WOULD BE A LARGER ASPECT IN MY OPINION ALL AGAIN THAN JUST REFUSE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER. WHAT STAFF WOULD STRONGLY WANT. YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THE FUTURE SLIDE OR ASK OF THE CITY IS WHETHER IT'S VIA PID OR OR JUST BILLING DIRECTLY IN HOUSE SPECIFICALLY FOR REFUSE STAFF IS STRONGLY OF THE OPINION THAT THE BUILDING FOR THAT COMPONENT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE THIRD PARTY PROVIDER AND BROADEN HOUSE. SO THAT KIND OF LEADS US TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS. STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND EITHER SOME DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ON FURTHER EXPLORE PIT. WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? BRING BACK A MORE FORMAL PRESENTATION ON DOWNTOWN . IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE AN APPETITE FOR EITHER FURTHER EXPLORING APPEARED IN THE DOWNTOWN. GIVE US SOME DIRECTION FOR IN HOUSE BUILDING. STAFFORD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT ON THE DUMPSTERS THAT WE HAVE NOW WE HAVE FOUR LOCATIONS FOR DUMPSTERS. NOW, EVEN WITH THE CURRENT TOTAL SERVICE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A RESTAURANT. YOU CAN'T PUT FOOD AND WASTE IN THERE. IF IT'S RECYCLING A LOT OF TIMES, BUSINESSES WILL TAKE THAT RECYCLING DIRECTLY TO THE ENCLOSURES THERE. THERE IS A NEED FOR THE ENCLOSURES IN THE COMMUNITY. AND CURRENTLY I'LL SHOW A MAP HERE IN A MINUTE ABOUT THE FOUR LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE. WE'D LIKE SOME DIRECTION

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UM SOMEONE LIKE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR PAYING RENT TO A REDO ON THE BUILDING AND PAY RENT. I'M OPPRESSED. HE PAYS RENT IF. WE NOW START BUILDING THE PROPERTY OWNER. THE PROPERTY OWNER, OF COURSE, WOULD WANT TO CHARGE IF THEY HAVE A CURRENT LEASE IN PLACE. ARE THEY ABLE TO ASK THAT ALONG, MOSTLY. CAPTAIN. IF IT'S A GROSS LEASE, WONDERED IF THEY COULD, BUT ON A TRIPLE NET LEASE, OR EVEN I MEAN, CERTAINLY PRACTICALLY EVERYONE SHOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.

I'VE ALWAYS HAD A GROSS LEASE, AND I THINK A LOT OF THEM DO BECAUSE WE CAN'T BUILD INDIVIDUAL UTILITIES AND THEY SEE IN A LOT OF THOSE OLDER BUILDINGS, BUT I THINK THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO MANY OF THEM ON MULTIPLE PROPERTIES, THESE PEOPLE AREN'T ROOKIES. I MEAN, THEY KIND OF BILL IN THE MAYBE ON THIS KIND OF THING, AND THIS HAS BEEN CIRCLING AROUND FOR A LONG TIME NOW, AND I CONCUR WITH YOU. IT SHOULD BE. SAY YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OVER. I THINK CITY SHOULD TAKE IT OVER. IT SHOULD BE PROPERTY OWNERS. PROPERTY OWNERS COULD THEN BUILD YOU'RE YEAH. WOULD YOU HAVE ENFORCEMENT MEASURE IF YOU PUT IT ON THE WATER BILL? BECAUSE THEN. THEY DON'T PAY IT. THEY GET THEIR WATER CUT OFF CORRECT. I THINK I THINK THE ANSWER THAT SOCIETY LIKE HOW YOU THINK, THOUGH, BECAUSE I ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE, AND I THINK LEGALLY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. IF YOU TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. UM, JUST THE LAST POINT THAT I WOULD HAVE THAT I THINK TIES INTO THE CONVERSATION OF THE COUNCIL JUST HAD TIMELINE WISE AND WHERE I THINK YOU KNOW, OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL. IF THERE IS KIND OF A POLICY CHANGE, REALLY, WHATEVER THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE, THERE ARE PEOPLE PROCESS THE

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THAT TAKES SOME TIME. SO I THINK, AS I TOLD YOU, OUR CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRES IN 2024 FOR OVERALL REFUSE SERVICE. WE WANT TO GIVE THE CONTRACTOR IF THERE IS A NEW 1 18 TO 20 MONTHS TO KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN AWARDED THE CONTRACT AND GEAR UP FOR THAT START IN 2024. IN MY OPINION, WHERE THE DOWNTOWN TIES INTO THAT IS AFTER WE GET THOSE BIDS BACK FOR THE TOTAL SERVICE AND ENCLOSURE ONLY SERVICE IN ABOUT 6 TO 8 MONTHS, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, WHERE AGAIN I'LL PROBABLY MAKE A MATRIX OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS HERE'S THE OPTIONS HERE IS NOW THE COSTS. HOW DO YOU WANT TO DIVIDE IT? MEETING UM, WOULD YOU WORK A WORK PROGRAM YOU WANT AND BE. HOW DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR IT? YOU WANT IT FULLY PAID FOR BY THE BUSINESSES. DO YOU WANT IT PARTIALLY FULLY SUBSIDIZED. YOU COULD HAVE A LAYOVER. THERE'S WAYS YOU CAN MAKE THAT WORK IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, BUT EQUALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK THAT GIVES PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE COMMUNICATION AND NOTICE TO THE BUSINESSES OF A WITH THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE AND BE ANY CHANGES THAT MAY COME INTO HOW OR WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILT FOR THE SERVICE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE KIND OF EVEN START WORKING NOW IS JUST MAKING SURE EVERYBODY'S PAYING WHAT THEY SHOULD BE PAYING. I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S INEQUITY AND PAYMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I'M I'M JUST KIND OF SURPRISED THAT IF THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PAYING THAT SHOULD BE PAYING PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING THAT ARE NOT PAYING THE UTILIZE TRASH PICKUP, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE THAT. YOU KNOW, KIND OF A PRIORITY. MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AT LEAST CHIPPING IN AND THEN THAT JUST MAKES IT EASIER WHEN WE'RE READY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUILD PEOPLE AND STUFF LIKE THAT . YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE LIST MADE ANYWAY AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THAT, SO I THINK THAT'S A PRIORITY TO IF I'M A BUSINESSMAN, AND I'M PAYING IF I'M SHELLING OUT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS A MONTH, AND THE GUY NEXT TO ME IS NOT THAT THAT'S AN. UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. THE PROBLEM IS THE ENFORCEMENT OF IT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY? AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF THEY DON'T PAY? UM YOU CAN GO NOW GOING TO PICK UP THEIR GARBAGE. AND SO I THINK YOU I THINK YOU ALMOST HAVE TO BRING IT IN HOUSE. WELL, IF SO. SO AS A CITY WE CAN FIND HIM. I MEAN, YEAH. I MEAN, WE JUST FIND THEM AS A CITY FOR AN ENFORCEMENT. I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO PAY AND I THINK THAT IT TAKES TO AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'D BE A WHOLE LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT LIKE NO, I'M NOT GOING TO PAY ANYTHING. I MEAN, WE MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY WITH THE AMOUNT, BUT I DID THAT'S WORTH EXPLORING THE PIT. NOT JUST FOR THE TRASH, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON MAIN STREET MEETING LAST WEEK ABOUT ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION DASH AND ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT, AND SECURITY AT THE PARKING GARAGE IS PROBABLY A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE WELL SERVED AND AGAIN. A PIT IS BILL BASED ON VALUATION WHERE, IF NOT SQUARE FOOTAGE, ONE OF THE TWO WAYS EITHER OR, YEAH, AND, UH SO YOU NEED FROM US, THOUGH. TODAY YOU NEED CONSENSUS TO ISSUE AN RFP. YOU'LL, YOU'LL FORMALLY GIVE ME THAT ASSUMING THAT OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL DOES ON AUGUST 2ND. WHAT DO YOU NEED TODAY? I WOULD LIKE TODAY. UM ONE MORE SORRY ABOUT THAT DUMPSTER. SO I'LL START WITH THE PIT. CERTAINLY NOT TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO PIT IS THERE AT LEAST COUNCIL DIRECTION TO WORK ON WHAT A DOWNTOWN BIT MAY LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE FOR EVERYBODY. YES SECONDARILY OKAY WITH EXPLORING ACQUIRING AN ADDITIONAL DUMPSTER, LOCATION OR PROPERTY, IT'S CENTRAL PARK. THIRD OKAY, PURSUING POTENTIAL PURCHASE OF THIS CITY HALL DUMPSTER LOCATION, AS OPPOSED TO RUNNING IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE FINE WITH GETTING BASICALLY QUOTES IN THE RFP FOR BOTH THE EXISTING SERVICE AND ENCLOSURE ONLY SERVICE, SURE ALSO IN THE RFP, ADDING THAT SEVENTH DAY OF SERVICE MM HMM. INCENTIVES ON ALL THOSE THINGS. CAN I MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT? STEVE? YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT TO THE EXTENT WE GOT THE DUMPSTER OUT, THERE ARE TRASH CANS ON THE SQUARE THAT ARE NOT MAINTAINED BY THE WASTE MANAGEMENT MAINTAINED BY CITY EMPLOYEES THAT COME OUT EVERY DAY AND CHANGE THE BAG AT SEVEN A.M. THEY'RE GREAT, BUT TO THE EXTENT WE DO GO TO THE DUMPSTER DUMPSTER SYSTEM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT STRATEGICALLY PUTTING IN A FEW

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[Update on Implementation for the Transportation Infrastructure Initiative and Economic Development Program]

WE'RE SHARING IT WITH YOU NOW BECAUSE NUMBER ONE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE. IT DOES REFLECT WE THINK WHAT THE DIRECTION AND ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD. SECONDLY IT'S IN ANTICIPATION, OF COURSE, THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED BY BOTH EATING AND CDC LATER THIS MONTH, AND THEN YOU'LL BE RATIFYING IT, PROBABLY IN AUGUST. IN IN ADVANCE OF THE BUDGET STARTING ON OCTOBER ONE. THANK YOU, SIR. AND INDIFFERENCE TO MY COLLEAGUE GUNNER WHO WAS DRIVEN FROM BEAUMONT TODAY. I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO QUICKLY BECAUSE MANY OF THESE SLIDES YOU'VE SEEN, BUT I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE THAT WILL BE INSTRUCTIVE AS TO THE TIMELINE, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT. BECAUSE THIS IS A MAJOR PROGRAM THAT YOU GUYS HAVE STUDIED AND IMPLEMENTED SO YOU CAN SEE THE TRAVEL OF THE TIMELINE THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS FOR MANY MONTHS NOW, AND SO NOW IT'S TIME TO GET DOWN TO DEALING WITH PROJECTS AND FUNDS AS THOSE BECOME AVAILABLE THROUGH THE PROGRAM. THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE THE MARK AND MARK SHOW. UM WE'VE DECIDED NOT TO BRING THE MULTIPLE PLAYERS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST BECAUSE RYAN AND GARY OR TIRED BUT ACTUALLY CALL US MARKS SQUARED. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CALL US? YOU WILL RECALL LAST MONTH. THIS IS THE RESOLUTION THAT WE WORKED THROUGH AND THAT YOU PASSED LAST JUNE. THIS IS REALLY THE PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE THAT I WANT TO SHOW. AS MR GRIMES MENTIONED, WE HAVE THE BYLAWS THAT WILL BE APPEARING ON THE AGENDAS NEXT WEEK FOR THE M E. D C AND THE CDC. THOSE ARE THE DATES I HAVE SENT THOSE THOSE CHANGES TO THEIR PRESIDENT AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS. AND SO THOSE ARE READY FOR THEIR AGENDAS AND THEH IS ALL READY, A REQUIREMENT IN THEIR BYLAWS, THEY WILL BE APPROVING THEIR BUDGETS THAT WILL BE RECOMMENDED TO THIS BODY FOR APPROVAL WITH YOUR CITY BUDGET AND IN SEPTEMBER, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND AND I HOPE THAT WE'VE BEEN HELPFUL TO HELP THEM MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO THEIR BUDGET, WHICH WILL BE REFLECTIVE OF THIS PROGRAM. AND MARK CAN SPEAK THAT IN A BIT YOU THEN WE'LL SEE THEIR BYLAWS NEXT MONTH FOR RATIFICATION, WHICH IS THE PROCESS THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE AND BY THEIR BYLAWS. AH! I MENTIONED THE BUDGET, WHICH WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY'S BUDGET FOR SEPTEMBER. BUT AS PART OF THE PROGRAM, THERE'S THE BASE HERE THAT I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL OCCASIONS. AND THAT IS THE FINAL SALES TAX RECEIPTS FOR FISCAL 21 22. AND I HAVE OCTOBER UP THERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, BUT I'M TALKING TO MARK TODAY, HE SAID. IT'LL PROBABLY PROBABLY BE MORE LIKE NOVEMBER.

BEFORE HE GETS A FINAL AUDITED NUMBER OF THE SALES TAX RECEIPTS FROM THIS YEAR. WITH THAT, THEN , UH, THEY'RE ALL MEANING FUNDS COLLECTED YET, BUT THEY'LL FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED OVER THE YEARS WILL BE PLACED IN THE PROGRAM FUND. AS THEY ARE DETERMINED EACH YEAR. UNDER THE CURRENT PROCESS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE PRESENT. ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. WE WELCOME

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YOU ALREADY HAVE SEEN THE C I P BUT THE C I P IS A BIGGER GROUP IN THE SMALLER GROUP OR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ROADWAYS, WHICH WILL COME TO YOU IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR. WHAT YOU SEE THAT LIST. THEN THOSE SAME LIST WILL GO TO THE BOARDS FOR THEIR REVIEW.

BEFORE THAT FOURTH QUARTER. CERTIFICATION. LET'S CALL IT BY THE BOARDS. THE WILL BE DIALOGUE BETWEEN ENGINEERING AND STAFF. AND THOSE BOARDS THERE. THEIR STAFF MEMBERS TO TALK ABOUT THE LINKS BETWEEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. THINGS THAT THEY WOULD. LIKE TO SEE IN PRIORITY, SO THERE'S SMART. THINK ON WHERE THE MONEY GOES. FOR THOSE KINDS OF ROADS THAT ARE FUNDED WITH THIS PROGRAM. IN OTHER WORDS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE EMMYS IMMEDIATE SYRIAN CDC MIGHT HAVE A PROJECT COMING FORWARD IN THE NEXT YEAR. AND THEY SAY, GEE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BUILD A ROAD TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. CAN WE ADD THAT TO THAT LIST SO THEY WILL BE WEIGHING IN AND SHAPING, HELPING SHAPE? THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WILL BE PRESENTED FOR CERTIFICATION BY THE RESPECTIVE BOARDS. OKAY ALSO WHICH IS NOT ON THE SLIDE, BUT THERE WILL BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S FINANCIAL POLICIES. WHICH WE DO. AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE CITY'S FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT WILL HAVE A NEW PARAGRAPH FOR THAT. WHICH SPEAKS TO THIS PROGRAM. SO ONCE YOU GET THROUGH A GIVEN FOURTH QUARTER. CALENDAR YEAR. THOSE PROJECTS DESIGNED AND BUILT SO. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SIMPLE, BUT WE WILL TRY TO STREAMLINE IT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF MEETINGS THAT ARE SEPARATE. APART FROM NORMAL C I P MARKS CAN SPEAK TO THIS ONE. WHICH IS MORE OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS. AND YOU. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE. UM ACTUALLY MADE ONE LITTLE CHANGE TO IT. BUT WE DID WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY REALLY HELD. THIS IS GOING TO WORK. UM WE WILL SET AN AUDITED SALES TAX AMOUNT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. MARK WAS CORRECT IN SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE MORE LIKE NOVEMBER BEFORE WE KNOW THAT EXACT NUMBER BECAUSE WE GET THE FINAL SEPTEMBER SALES TAX IN NOVEMBER. WE GET THAT THAT NUMBER IF YOU REMEMBER WE ALWAYS RUN TWO MONTHS IN ARREARS . THAT'S WHEN WE GET THAT NUMBER, AND THEN WE PRODUCED THE AUDITED NUMBER WITH ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THAT WAY IT BECOMES STARTS WORKING LIKE A TOURS. AT THIS POINT WITH THIS FISCAL YEAR, 22 BEING THE BASE HERE FOR FISCAL YEAR, 23. HOW WILL THIS WORK? WELL WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUDGET ESTIMATE AND WITH THE GROWTH PERCENTAGE BUILT IN RIGHT NOW, THAT'S AROUND 5% BUT WE'VE WE'VE RIGHTS AS THEIR BUDGET, UM TO FAIRLY ACCURATELY INDICATE WHERE WE THINK FISCAL YEAR. 22 IS GOING TO END AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR THIS PROJECT. NOW WE WON'T ACTUALLY BUDGET ANY OF THE CRP PROJECTS THAT WILL BE PAID FOR THIS UNTIL FISCAL YEAR, 24 BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BROUGHT IN IN FISCAL YEAR 23 SO YOU WILL SEE THAT ON THE PROJECT BUS BUDGET. WE WILL BASE IT ON THE BUDGET ESTIMATES AS WE GO FORWARD, BUT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A FULL YEAR OF COLLECTION BEFORE WE CAN START THE PROCESS OF BUDGETING, WHICH WILL THEN BE FOR THE PROJECT SIDE FOR THE ACTUAL CRP ITSELF IN FISCAL YEAR 24, SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS NEXT YEAR, SO WE WILL BUDGET IT WILL BUDGET THE REVENUE AND FOR THIS YEAR TO SET IT ASIDE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT IN FISCAL YEAR 24. IT WILL ALSO BE A LOT OF THEM IN THERE IN THE SEASON SIX BUDGET AND ONCE AGAIN , TRUDE UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR GET OUT OF MR HAUSER'S WIFE. OKAY? SO THIS IS JUST A REPEAT OF A SLIDE YOU'VE SEEN JUST TO REMIND THE COUNCIL IN PUBLIC KINDS OF ROADS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE. THIS IS A SLIDE THAT GARY PREPARED, WHICH IS HOW HE DOES HIS PROJECT RANKING AND SELECTION. BUT I WANTED JUST TO POINT OUT UNDER NEEDS ASSESSMENT . YOU SEE, THE THIRD BULLET POINT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PRIORITIZATION. YOU HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BULLETS SO HE ADDS. THOSE. CRITERIA INTO HIS MATRIX AS HE DOES HIS WORK, AND OBVIOUSLY, AS MR GRIMES SAID , WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING TO THE BOARDS AS WELL TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THEM. THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AT THE BOARD MEETINGS NEXT WEEK. IT IS IDENTICAL BETWEEN THE TWO BOARDS. IT IS. A BIT WORDY AND

[02:00:10]

[Discuss Redistricting City Council District Boundaries]

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HOW DO THEY WORK? THEY MEET THE CRITERIA THEY DO. PLAN C DOES MEET THE CRITERIA. YES, BOTH BOTH OF THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE WORKED AT TOWARD TO GET TO TODAY. BOTH MEET THE CRITERIA AND DEMOGRAPHICALLY THEY'RE THEY'RE FAIRLY SIMILAR AS WELL. FRANKLY. PLAN C JUST FOR, UM.

FOR BACKGROUND WORKS OUT TO A D V AND OVERALL DEVIATION OF 2.68, SO THAT'S WELL WITHIN THE 10.

AND PLAN B FOR REVERENCE FOR THE REVISED 7.49 SO LESS DEVIATION AS WELL FOR DISPLAY AND SEE, THAT'S RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SEE SOME REASON. ABSOLUTELY WHAT? WHAT IS THE OPPOSITION? SO FIRST OF ALL, SEE? I AM 12,000 PEOPLE LOW. WHICH MEANS I'M GONNA GO ADD 12,000 PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT. THAT'S 25. NEW POPULATION. PLANS THE HAS ME TAKE THE ENTIRE 12,000 FROM DISTRICT THREE. WHO IS ALSO 5000 PEOPLE LOW. WHO HAS TO GO GET 10% NEW PEOPLE. SO IN ADDITION TO HER 10% THAT SHE'S GOT TO GO FIND SHE NOW HAS TO GO FIND THE ADDITIONAL 25% THAT HAVE TAKEN WHICH MEANS THAT HER DISTRICT IS 25% 35% NEW POPULATION. AND WHO WHO ELECTED HER NOT WHO SHE REPRESENTS TODAY , THE SAME ISSUE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH UH, THE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF 1 21 HAVING ISSUES WITH NEW REPRESENTATION, SHE WOULD BE CREATING THAT FOR 35% OF HER DISTRICT NOW IS NEW REPRESENTATION. UM THE DEVIATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IS THAT THE NUMBER ONE? UM IT MATERIALLY CHANGES THE DISTRICTS WE HAVE TODAY. NUMBER TWO THE DEVIATION. LESSENING THAT IS ACHIEVED THE 7% TO 2% IS BASICALLY BECAUSE DISTRICT ONE, BECOMES THE SECOND LARGEST DISTRICT. IN OUR OF OUR FOUR AND IT IS ALL ENCOMPASSING OF OUR

[02:10:09]

PRETTY HEAVILY WITH PLAN C. SO REALLY? IT'S STILL 48. UH, IT IS. I THINK IT'S 45 WITH PLAN C.

IT'S 48 WITH PLAN. B. WELL AND BEAR IN MIND THAT THAT SPECIFICALLY WITH VOTING AGE POPULATION LEGAL LIKE A 3% SWING BETWEEN THE TWO THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT AROUND 3. UM AND I GUESS IN JUST IN TERMS OF RESPONDING TO WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT THE KIND OF TAIL THAT IS PROPOSED ON JUST ON PLAN D. UM THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE POINTED OUT THERE. JUST TO THE SOUTH OF MCKINNEY RANCH. UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF IF CAN YOU SHOW PLAN D CAMERA? WILL YOU BRING UP PLAN THE REVISED THAT YOU WERE DOING YES, HE'S NOT. LIKE MCKINNEY RANCHERS, ALREADY A DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN DISTRICTS. AND SO THOSE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AREN'T IN PROXIMITY TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. WITH THE SAME DISTRICT. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S CURRENTLY A DISTRICT THREE. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MCKINNEY RANCH IN THE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MCKINNEY RANCH, AND SO UM AND I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COMMENT ABOUT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LOW INCOME HOUSING THERE BECAUSE DISTRICT ONE REPRESENTS THAT. I JUST I JUST USED THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS COMING. I JUST SAID THEY'RE YOUR PRIORITIES AND ONE ARE NOT THE PRIORITIES OF TWO. THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST SAYING PRIORITIES IN ONE OF THE PRIORITIES OF THE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE SERVED. SO THE I JUST TO ME. THAT'S A STATEMENT THAT IS I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW. UNDERSTAND IT, BUT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU YOU WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING LOW INCOME HOUSING THERE. WHY? I MEAN, WHY? WHY WOULD I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS WHY WOULD I MEAN LIKE WHY? WHY WOULD THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN? BE A PRIORITY THAT I SAT. I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU ARE A ADVOCATE FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING. I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR HOUSING. SO IF I COULD, I THINK I THINK THAT WAS USED AS AN EXAMPLE. AND WE'RE GETTING OFF ON A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. UM I THINK THAT THE POINT IS MR ONE PERSPECTIVE IS THAT REPRESENTATION OF AN AREA. ONE PART OF THE CITY MAY MAY NOT COINCIDE WITH THE DESIRES OR COMMUNITY IN ONE AREA MAY HAVE DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, DESIRE WAR STONEBRIDGE GOING TO HAVE ITS ITS WAY OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN STONEBRIDGE PAINTED TREE IS GOING TO HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT, PROBABLY CORRECT RANCH IS GOING TO HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT BASED ON AND THE SAME CAN BE SAID. FOR THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE WEST OF LIKE FOREST. I MEAN, NO DOUBT. I'M NOT. I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S EVER GOING TO BE A PERFECT I MEAN, LIKE THAT SCENARIO EXISTS BECAUSE I'M 12,000 PEOPLE SHORT, AND I MEAN , I'D LIKE TO LEAVE MY DISTRICT DECIDES THAT IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED ME. BUT I CAN'T. SO I NEED TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE IN A PRUDENT WAY. SO I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT? WHAT'S WRONG WITH ADDING YOU KNOW, ADDING PEOPLE TO YOUR TO YOUR DISTRICT. OR HAVING PEOPLE TO YOU KNOW, EXPANDING A DISTRICT AND EVERYBODY'S EVERYBODY'S DISTRICTS ARE CHANGING, BUT THAT'S JUST SAYING THAT THAT THE SAME ISSUE YOU HAVE WITH ME AND IN PEOPLE AND ALONG 1 21. THE PEOPLE ON NORTH OF 3 80 WEST OF LAKE FOREST WOULD HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE. IT DOESN'T DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT I HAVE TO ADD PEOPLE. IT'S GOTTA COME FROM SOMEWHERE AND HE GIVES YOU THE PEOPLE. RIGHT BUT THEY'VE GOT THE SAME ISSUE THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT PEOPLE THAT ALONG 1

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LET'S SEE YOU GET REALLY SMALL EASIER WITH YOU. OF THE OPEN PHOTOSHOP REAL QUICK CROP THE IMAGES SEPARATE SLIDE AND THEN IMPORT IT. DURING HIS PAWS. I'LL MAKE THE REMARK THAT MM. YOU KNOW THE EFFECT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE H O S DOWN ALONG 1 21 IS THE SAME. WE'RE GOING TO AFFECT H O S. WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE EFFECTS NO MATTER WHERE AND I'LL PICK ON AUBURN HILLS, WHICH IS OVER THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF, UM BAYLOR HOSPITAL NORTH OF 3 80. CURRENTLY DISTRICT THREE WOULD BE DISTRICT THREE. IN MAP, UM. I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT AND SEE WHICHEVER ONE D D D D SORRY. UM. AND I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE UP THERE AND THEY DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO TO DISTRICT ONE NOW. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IN IN THAT THAT I LOOK AT IS VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT DISTRICT THREE THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE TO JUSTIN'S GOOD POINT. THE DISTRICT THAT'S GOING TO GET YOU KNOW. ALL THE YOU KNOW THE ALL THE NEW POPULATION, BUT OUR CITY IS GROWING UP NORTH AND. CAN'T YOU SEE? I DON'T MEAN TO JUST SO BECAUSE HE'S DOING SOMETHING WRONG. WHY YOU KEEP TALKING COULD HE ALSO PUT WHAT THE CURRENT MAP IS UP THERE? AND SPREAD THOSE ACROSS THE LEFT. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS CURRENT. DID YOU HEAR THAT? READ THAT WITHIN THE MAPS MOVE EVERYTHING OVER TO THE LEFT. SO SORRY. I SHOULD KNOW I DIDN'T HAVE THAT. SORRY WILL YOU ALSO JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT UP THE ELECTION? DO YOU? A PDF OF THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN TO MR KERMAN. ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE OF CAMP. THE CURRENT MAPS CAN BE SEEN IN THE RED LINES ILLUSTRATE PLAYER. DO YOU MEAN THE INITIAL TESTING ACTUAL BENCHMARKS? BENCHMARKS AND SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT. BENCHMARK GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. JUST A SECOND. DOING IT AGAIN. SO OXES WILL BE GORED.

PEOPLE WILL BE MOVED, BUT THE GROWTH OF THE CITY IS GOING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 3 80. SHE DIED . I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE THE ONE THAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM IS ADVOCATING. REDUCES THAT THIS DOWN C TWO ONLY TWO DISTRICTS REPRESENTING THAT AREA BOXING THREE AND SOUTH 3 80. YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THAT PART OF DISTRICT CURRENT DISTRICT TWO THAT WOULD MOVE TO DISTRICT ONE, AND THERE'S TWO BIG, VAST PIECES OF LAND RIGHT THERE, AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE OWNED BY THE CIA. AND I SERVED ON THE D C BOARD. YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE. AND I DO REALIZE WHAT'S PROBABLY GOING IN THERE. AND REGARDLESS OF WHERE OF WHOSE DISTRICT THAT IS CHANCE TO ME VOTING FOR A LOW INCOME HOUSING PROJECT ON 1 21 OR APPROACHING ZERO. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S EVER GOING TO HAPPEN THERE, BUT THE CHANCES OF MULTI MULTI FAMILY HOUSING BEING IN ON IN THOSE PLACES ARE CLOSE TO 100. BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE MAKING BIG MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SO AGAIN. I WILL, UM , BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THE GENTLE LADY FROM DISTRICT THREE THINGS BECAUSE IT'S HER THING BEING HER OX BEING GORED, BUT FROM A STANDPOINT OF CITY COUNCIL IS IT AT LARGE REPRESENTATIVE IS A PRODUCER FOR THE WHOLE CITY AND DON'T REPRESENT ANY SPECIFIC DISTRICT. MY EYES ON THE BALL AND WHEREVER WE PUT ANYTHING, SO, UM I JUST INTERESTED. HEAR FROM DISTRICT THREE AT THIS POINT. CATALOG OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. I THINK YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WAS ABOUT ELDORADO AND STAYING IN DISTRICT TWO AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STAYING IN DISTRICT THREE. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE SAME SORT OF CONCEPT TO ME. NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 1 21 CORRIDOR AND THE AUBURN HILLS AREA. THAT AREA NORTH OF 3 80. IT'S THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS AS IT IS FOR MINE.

I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THAT IS YOU KNOW, IT'S A FAIR BALANCE TO LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE POPULATIONS. I DON'T THINK IT IS. UM WHY IS THING TO SHIFT MY VOTER VOTER BASE SO WIDE? I WOULD RATHER NOT DO THAT. I WOULD RATHER GO WITH PLAN D. I THINK IT'S THE BEST PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US. SO I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF PLAN DATED. MY POSITION HASN'T CHANGED ON THAT.

SO YOU'RE GONNA GO. YOU'RE YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR VOTER BASE AND GETTING RE ELECTED AND

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NOTHING IN INDEED. GIVING THEM NOTHING. ARE YOU GIVING UP INDY? SHE ALREADY HAS TO GIVE UP SOMETHING. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID TO ME. SHE HAS TO GIVE UP THE LITTLE TAIL END AT THE FOOT.

HELLO JUST NORTH OF MCKINNEY RANCH. WELL YEAH, AND HAS TO MOVE OVER TO THE LEFT. BUT SHE'S 5000 SHORT, JUST LIKE I'M 12,000 SHORT. SO I MEAN, SHE ULTIMATELY HAS AREA THAT HAS TO BE ADDED.

SO THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT. HAD HER AREA. HER DISTRICT IS CHANGING 35. THE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE EXACT NUMBERS. I HAVEN'T DONE THAT CALCULATION. WHAT I WILL SAY IS , UM, I KNOW ALL OF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT FOR ANYBODY WHO MAY BE WATCHING THE WAY THE CENSUS DATA BROKE OUT IS DISTRICTS ONE AND THREE, UM, ARE YOUR LIGHT DISTRICTS AND SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE ON POPULATION AND THE DISTRICT'S TWO AND FOUR WHERE YOU'RE HEAVY DISTRICTS THAT HAVE TO GIVE OFF THAT POPULATION. THE REASON THAT WE MUST STOP YOU THERE FOR MIX I WANT TO JUST UNDERSTAND ON CHANGE FOR A SECOND. THERE. THE LIGHT DISTRICTS? YES POPULATION CURRENTLY OF DISTRICT THREE IS WHAT CURRENT POPULATION OF DISTRICT THREE. IS RIGHT AT 43,460, WHICH MAKES IT APPROXIMATELY 5000 PEOPLE LIKE IN COMPARISON TO DISTRICT ONE DISTRICT ONE IS ACTUALLY MORE LIGHT. IT'S AT 36,485. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 12, LIKE MR MILLER SAID AROUND 12,000. PEOPLE LIVE THERE. BOTH OF THOSE DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GROW. IN PLAN DE, UM, THAT POPULATION ACTUALLY SHIFTED THROUGH. SO FROM FOUR WE BASICALLY SHIFTED POPULATION FROM FOUR THROUGH THREE SO THAT IT TOOK ON SOME THREE AND THEN ONE TOOK ON SOME OF THREE. SO BASICALLY WE WERE MOVING THAT POPULATION IN FOR TO BUILD UP BOTH ONE AND THREE. SO THAT'S HOW YOU ENDED UP WITH THREE LOSING A BIT OF ONE RIGHT THERE. MY RECOLLECTION ON WHY WE DID THAT WAS TO PRESERVE PIECE OF ELDORADO BECAUSE THE ONLY OTHER PLACE TO TAKE POPULATION TO GO INTO ONE REALLY WOULD BE OUT OF TWO RIGHT THERE AND THAT POPULATION IN ELDORADO. I THINK THERE WAS THERE WAS A CONSENSUS WITH EVERYBODY THAT THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO SO. WE DIDN'T DO THAT. COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND GIVE ME THE POPULATIONS OF DISTRICT TWO AND FOUR WHILE YOU'RE AT THAT? ABSOLUTELY. TWO IS CURRENTLY OVERPOPULATED. IT'S 58,500. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM OH, ABOUT 7000 OVER. AH AND THEN FOUR IS 6 56,084, SO ROUGHLY THE SAME THANK YOU. MY 35% NUMBER ON MAP, SEE? BECAUSE I TAKE THAT FULL 12,000. NEEDED AND POPULATION FROM DISTRICT THREE, WHICH PUTS DISTRICT 3 17,000 PEOPLE SHORT. BUT THAT HAS TO BE MADE UP OUT OF BOTH ONE AND THREE AND FOUR OR TWO AND 4 17,000 PEOPLE REPRESENTS 35% OF THE IDEAL SIZE OF 48,000.

35% NEW CONSTITUENTS. FOR AND THEN AND THEN SEE YOU'RE TAKING WHAT AND THAT IS THAT WAS THE INDY. TAKE A SORRY THAT WAS INDEED, UM, THE EFFECTS THAT I CAUSE ON DISTRICT 31 IS THE LITTLE CORNER. UM, WHICH IS. NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF POPULATION, BUT IT IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF MULTI FAMILY POPULATION, WHICH IS AN ATTEMPT TO RETAIN AND WE HAVE THAT IN BOTH VERSIONS, BUT IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE MINORITY POPULATION AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE.

UM AND THEN BECAUSE I TAKE THAT LITTLE LEG AT THE BOTTOM OF 1 21 AND FORCES HER TO LOSE THAT PORTION SOUTH OF EL DORADO. BECAUSE WE CAN'T CUT OFF. DISTRICT TWO IN THAT AREA, SO SHE HAD BECAUSE I'M COMING THAT WAY. SHE HAS TO LOSE A LITTLE PORTION THERE, AND I DON'T THINK WE QUANTIFIED THAT POPULATION THAT SHE LOSES THEIR THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M STILL TRYING TO DO

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FOR HER. IT IS SOMEWHERE ABOVE 10. BUT NOT ANYWHERE NEAR 35. BUT 10% IS REQUIRED. I'M TAKING SOME NUMBER OF THAT WE DIDN'T QUANTIFY IT. IN THE AREAS THAT SHE LOSES, BUT. THE SLICE OF THE SOUTH. WEST CORNER OF 3 80 YEARS A CHOICE THE SLASH SOUTH OF EL DORADO, NORTH OF MCKINNEY RANCH AS A BASICALLY REQUIREMENT. I KNOW HE HAS THE ABILITY TO QUICKLY TELL US WHAT THE POPULATION IS IN THAT AREA THAT'S BEEN CIRCLED IN YELLOW. YES, CAMERON, WILL YOU BRING UP FRANKLY, I THINK IT'S THE SAME IN EITHER PLANNED THE REVISED OR PLAN C. BUT WILL YOU BRING THAT UP AN EDGE AND GIVE US HE CAN'T SEE THE YELLOW THAT'S TRUE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THE YELLOW BUT THE SECTION OF, UH. THE SECTION OF THREE SORT OF ON THE NORTH. EAST CORNER OF THREE. THEY GOT MOVED INTO ONE. HE GAVE US THE POPULATION IN THERE. TAKING SURE THING. GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. THANK YOU. HE SAID. PLAN C. CORRECT UM IT'S ON BOTH PLANS. YEAH, WHATEVER IS EASIER FOR YOU TO BRING OUT WHAT WORK FROM.

IS THAT CORNER OF 75? CREATE E. IT'S ULTIMATELY ISN'T A LARGE POPULATION BECAUSE IT'S PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL. ALRIGHT SO WHICH AREA ARE YOU WANTING TO LOOK INTO THAT POPULATION IN THE AREA THAT WENT FROM THREE INTO ONE JUST NORTH OF THAT 19 5 RIGHT THERE? YEAH, RIGHT. SURE THING. YEAH.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 3536 PEOPLE IN TOTAL. THAT'S ABOUT. 76 7000 OR 67.

BIG AREA INDEED, AND THAT YOU'RE TAKING FROM THREE YEARS. THAT'S THAT'S 30. SO 3000 WHAT'S WHERE'S THE OTHER? SO THE BIG CHUNK AND THIS THIS IS PLAN C THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BIG CHUNK IS THAT AREA JUST TO THE NORTH. YOU'LL FORGIVE ME. I DON'T KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD NAME BUT CAMERA WILL YOU SHOW US THE POPULATION AND THE OTHER AREA THAT WENT FROM THREE INTO ONE? IT'S JUST NORTH OF THE CURRENT THREE THERE. UM, SURE THING. THAT'S THE OTHER BIG POPULATION AND PLANTS. THE THAT GOES FROM 3 TO 1. IT'S LIKE IT'S ABOUT, UM. 8676 PEOPLE BIGGER CHUNK 12,000.

PLAN D JUST FOR COMPARISON, BELIEVES THAT PEACE IN THREE. GO DOWN TO 1, 21 AND 1 21 CORRIDOR.

OKAY? SO THERE IS A OKAY? IT'S IF WE IF WE GAVE ONE ALL THE WAY DOWN AND STOPPED IT HARDENED ROAD. YOU KNOW JUST THAT. YEAH KIND OF WHERE MY LINE GOES BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S A TON OF APARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE. WHAT IF WE STOPPED IT HARDENED ROAD? WHAT WOULD WE GET? OKAY, MAKING THAT CHANGE FROM PLAN C HERE. HMM. YEAH ONE. WELL YES. I MEAN, THIS IS IF

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THERE'S NO POPULATION IN THAT THAT AREA RIGHT THERE, BUT THEY'RE OKAY. YEAH, SO RIGHT THERE. ALRIGHT WE GOT ABOUT 3796 PEOPLE IN THIS AREA THOSE FOLKS BACK INTO TWO. WHAT DO YOU SAY? PUT THOSE FOLKS BACK INTO TWO. OH, ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, THERE WE GO TO BIG. OKAY, SO. DO YOU WANT TO GO? IS THAT ABOUT WHAT YOU HAD IN MIND? MR RAIN? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. SO LET'S BACK OUT THEN FOR A SECOND CAMERA. ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY SO NOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE JUST NEED TO, UM TWO IS HEAVY AND ONE IS LIFE SO WE NEED TO FIND SOME POPULATION TO GET FROM TWO INTO ONE SOMEWHERE ELSE. WAS THAT DEVIATION? WE COULD, UH. DO THIS AREA. YOU'RE PROBABLY BUT THAT'S THE AREA WE DIDN'T WANT TO MESS WITH. WANTS TO MESS WITH THAT. YEAH. IT'S NOT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE VERY MANY OPTIONS. IS THERE SOME AREA THERE BELOW ELDORADO. UM NO. I MEAN, YOU START CUTTING ME OFF, THAT'S WHERE ANY LIVES OKAY? HMM OKAY. I WHAT I WAS THINKING.

YEAH SO POTENTIALLY, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS UM. IF YOU MOVED A LITTLE BIT OF TWO INTO THREE SOMEWHERE AND THEN TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF THREE INTO ONE SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT YOU COULD SHIFT THAT POPULATION ACROSS. WHAT IF YOU WHAT IF YOU CAN YOU GO BACK UP TO 3 80? ONE PIECE THAT THAT'S ALREADY IN YOUR DISTRICT. YEAH, IF YOU IF YOU TOOK IF YOU EXTENDED THAT CHUNK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAME DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM THREE INTO TWO THERE. IF YOU EXTENDED THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THEN YOU COULD MOVE SOME OF THAT. POPULATION FROM THREE INTO TWO AND THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BALANCE OUT ACROSS THAT WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GETTING INTO THE SAME ISSUE THAT YEAH, CONCERNED ABOUT IN TERMS OF ANYTHING, TAKE ME TAKEN FROM THREE. MAKES A BIGGER IT WASN'T A FACT. OKAY? YOU KNOW ONE THING. THINK ABOUT IT COURSES. AS WE LOOK AT THESE VARIATIONS, THE VARIATIONS TODAY WILL BE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT AS THEY RELATE TO POPULATION ONE. I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, DISTRICT ONE. BECAUSE THERE'S THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOMES PLAN PLAN PLAN DE HAS THE HIGHER DEVIATION OF SOUTHERN AND A HALF PERCENT AND THAT THAT'S BECAUSE I'M LOW ON POPULATION BY ABOUT 5. AND IT ACCOMMODATES FOR THE GROWTH THAT WILL COME IN DISTRICT ONE. BUT

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THAT'S WHAT HAS TO COME BELOW 10% AND THE WAY WE GET THAT IS, WE'RE ADDING IGNORING THE POSITIVE NEGATIVE. WE'RE TAKING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 11.2 AND NEGATIVE LEVEL NEGATIVE 11.8 THAT GIVES US 23, SO WE NEED TO GET BOTH OF THOSE NUMBERS DOWN. UM TO WHERE THE OVERALL DEVIATION IS LESS THAN 10. I COULD PROBABLY TAKE SOME OUT OF FOUR. SHIFT THE LINE OVER TO GIVE 23 AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW THREE COULD GIVE TO ONE. THAT THAT'S THE THING THAT CAUSES A LOT OF HEARTACHE BECAUSE THREE GETS COMPLETELY REMADE. SHE ENDS UP REPRESENTING THE DISTRICT.

THAT DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE WHAT ELECTED HER MORE. YOU DO THAT? SHE STILL HAS AUBURN HILLS. SHE'S STILL HAS THE CORE. AND THEN SHE STILL HAS THIS STUFF ON THE EAST SIDE. BUT THEN SHE SHE RETAINS A LOT OF IT. BUT YOU'RE SAYING I'VE GOT TO TAKE SOMETHING FROM HER AND I'M STILL YOU KNOW? 5000 PEOPLE SHORT IN THIS MAP RIGHT HERE. SO REALLY WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO FOR FOUR IF YOU WANTED TO BE. MORE OF A PLAYER IN THIS IS YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE SOME POPULATION OUT OF THE TOP OF TWO RIGHT THERE AND THEN GIVE OFF SOME POPULATION IN THE NORTH OVER TO ONE. AND YOU AND YOU'VE GOT THE ISSUE WITH. NOT A WHOLE LOT OF POPULATION UP THERE, BUT RIGHT? BROTHER. IT SOUNDS LIKE NO MATTER WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IN 10 YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO KIND OF BE MOVING EVERYTHING BACK BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, ONE IS LIVE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE WILL BE.

THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE IN AND PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT IT MAY BE TIME TO LOOK AT SIX DISTRICTS, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF LOOKING AT SIX DISTRICTS BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THE IDEA IS THAT WE FIND AREAS THAT HAVE KIND OF COMMONALITY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STONEBRIDGE OR ELDORADO OR CRAIG RANCH OR EAST MCKINNEY OR NORTH, YOU CAN COME UP WITH KIND OF SIX DEFINE DOUBLE AREAS. PRETTY EASILY. UM WHERE? WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME COMMONALITY IN YOUR REPRESENTATION. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOUR WHEN WE HAVE TO FIT IT INTO FOUR MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU DO END UP HAVING TO SPLIT UP.

YOU KNOW, RANDI REPRESENTS CRAIG RANCH AND ELDORADO AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS CAUSES A LITTLE BIT OF A SPLIT IN STONEBRIDGE BECAUSE SHE HAS TO CREEP OVER IN THE STONE BRIDGE MORE THAN SHE HAD IN THE PAST AND NORTH'S A LITTLE BIT OF A WILD WEST. BECAUSE IT'S DIVIDED AMONGST ALL OF US. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THOUGHT ON THAT. HMM. THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER AREA. I DON'T THINK 66. HOW MANY DISTRICTS JUST LIKE PLANO HAVE I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE SET UP. THEY GOT SOME SOMETHING WEIRD. BUT WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE TO SEE YEAH, I MEAN, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE'RE HAPPY TO KEEP TWEAKING MAPS AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, BUT IT MAY COME DOWN TO YOU'VE GOT TO, AND THEN IT WILL BE A VOTE, WHICH ONE THE COUNCIL PROVIDES. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THERE TODAY. WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THERE TODAY. HMM I'VE BEEN AT THE WHOLE TIME. THE REVISED THE I DON'T. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DUE. TO DISTRICT THREE WOULD SEE DOES TO DISTRICT THREE AND WE'VE GOT A WE'VE GOT TO DO. MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY. SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO LOSE POPULATION AND SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO GAIN IT. GIVE IT TODAY SUGGESTS A. A WORK SESSION. ANOTHER WORK SESSION A MEETING WITH THE THREE DISTRICT ONE DISTRICT TWO IN DISTRICT THREE. TOGETHER. WITH THE BENEFIT OF. SOMEONE THAT CAN

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PHELPS HAS TO FIND 5000 NEW VOTERS AND TWO AND FOUR HAVE TO GIVE UP. HMM ABOUT 8000. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND ULTIMATELY, CERTAINLY THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT JUST FOR ME. IT'S I CAME WITH A VERY FROM IDEA WHAT MAP I WAS IN FAVOR OF IT WAS THE IT WAS THE LOWER UM CREATION, WHICH WOULD BE C, HOWEVER, COMMENT THAT IMPACTS YOUR DISTRICT VERY SENSITIVE TO SO, UM. ONE THAT LIKES LOVE TO JUST MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE FORWARD AND GET TO OTHER THINGS, BUT FOR ME HEARING A. TELL ME THAT WASN'T ON MY RADAR BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW . WE'RE NOT FORCED TO DO THIS NOW. I HATE YOU KNOW IT'S NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO KICK YOU CAN BUT BUT I BET WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH DISTRICT. UM AS WELL AS THE OTHER SO IF WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION, I'M ALL FOR SAYING IT WILL. WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE A DECISION. AND IF I HAVE TO TODAY, I'LL MAKE ONE TODAY, BUT I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW THAT I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT. I UNDERSTAND. SO. TRYING TO DELAY IT. BUT SINCE THIS IS ONE OF THE ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THIS MOMENT RATHER JUST TAKE ONE MORE STAB IN A DIFFERENT AND WE HAVEN'T TRIED THAT SETTING. WE HAVEN'T TRIED THAT SETTING WITH WITH THREE WORK WITH THEY WORK SESSION WITH THE GENTLEMAN ON THE PHONE AND JUST TRY ONE MORE TIME. IF YOU CAN'T GET THERE THEN THEN WE'LL COME UP TO MAPS. THE CLOSEST THAT NO TO THAT COME OUT OF THAT MEETING AND WE'LL VOTE ON THEM. THAT BE TOO MUCH TO ASK HER. I'LL JUST MAKE THE COMMENT AGAIN . I CAN'T TAKE POPULATION FROM FOUR AND SO THE CHOICES DO I TAKE IT FROM TWO OR DO I TAKE IT FROM THREE? THREE HAS CONSEQUENCES THAT THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO SWALLOW, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. SO AT LEAST DIFFICULT TO SWALLOW. IT CREATES A CONSTITUENCY THAT IS 35% DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY. AND WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE ISSUE IS THAT THIS IS GOING 10 YEARS FORWARD. IT'S A TOUGH THING TO HAVE TO TELL SOMEBODY THAT NOW 35% OF THE PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT OUR NEW PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T ELECT YOU. SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? YOU STILL REPRESENTING THOSE 35 ? THEY DID THEY? WE ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE THE MOST POPULATED DISTRICT IS GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP THE MOST. THAT'S JUST A FACT. AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION. ACROSS THE BOARD. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WORKING ON IT. THAT'S FINE. I JUST DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA COME TO ANY SOLUTION THAT'S GOING TO BE HAVE COME PREPARED TO WORK ON THIS. AND I THINK THIS IS OUR FOURTH MEETING. AND WE'RE LEFT WITH THAT WITH THAT DECISION. DO I TAKE FROM DISTRICT THREE OR DO I TAKE FROM DISTRICT TWO? AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO THAT MATTERS. AND I DON'T. I'M NOT MAKING A DECISION WHERE I TAKE THAT MUCH POPULATION FROM DISTRICT THREE. I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS GOOD FOR WEEK ONE OF OUR CORE. THINGS WHEN WE STARTED. THIS WAS MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICTS THAT EXIST TODAY. WHY IS NO NO, THAT'S NOT THE MAIN CORE. IT WAS ONE OF THE PARTS THAT WE PASSED . EVERYBODY GETS REPRESENTED FAIRLY. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE DOING THAT DOESN'T THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. BUT IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PASSED THAT WE SAID. HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY. WE HAVE TO KEEP IT BELOW 10% DEVIATION. WE HAVE TO HOLD TO THE EXISTING UM , COUNCIL DISTRICT CLIENTS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. IT'S ONE OF THE AND D COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, SEPARATES OUT. ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS NOT TO NOT TO THE DEGREE THAT C DOES. WHAT DOES HE DO SEE TAKES 12,000 PEOPLE FROM DISTRICT THREE AND PUTS THEM

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SO WHAT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID WE WANTED TO TRY TO STICK TO. THAT'S WHY WE KEEP THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE IT IS BECAUSE THAT DISTRICT HAS BEEN SERVED BY THAT THAT SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE GAVE HER ELDORADO. IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT. WE ALL WANT SOMETHING. BUT YOU HAVE THE MOST POPULATED DISTRICT. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SACRIFICE MORE THAN EVERY OTHER DISTRICT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS AND IN AND IN C. I'M GIVEN A WHOLE SWAP TO YOU. AND IT'S BETTER THAN THIS KIND OF YOU TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS ALL THAT I MEAN THAT THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET TYPE OF STUFF. MR MERREM THRILLED TO VOTE AND I WILL RESPECT IT IF YOU WANT TO DELAY THIS THING, BUT WE ARE RUNNING AROUND THE CIRCLE HERE. WE ARE, BUT WE AGAIN I'LL STATE THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD A SESSION WITH THOSE THREE JUST HAPPY TO HAPPY TO PROCEED WITH THAT, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MOVE ON FOR TODAY. EIGHT POINT INDULGING IN THREE OF YOU GET IN THE ROOM WITH GLOVES AND WHATEVER IT TAKES. YES WE HAVE THE TIME. WHY NOT TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN AND I HEAR YOU, JUSTIN. BUT BUT I THINK WE JUST PUSH AND CHALLENGE THEM ONE MORE TIME. UM LISTEN, RICK'S DISTRICTS, NOT IMPORTANT . WE JUST CUT IT UP ANY WHICH WAY NEEDED. TO HAVE A LOT OF SQUARE BLOCKS NOTICED. I DIDN'T INCLUDE HIM IN THE THREE. THERE IS AN EASY OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY. NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. OKAY JUST I'M ASKING TO INDULGE ME THIS I MEAN, THREE GET TOGETHER, YOU AND THE THREE THAT ARE THAT ARE IMPACTED THE MOST. AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA DO IT THIS MOMENT. OKAY I'LL WORK WITH MR HAUSER TO GET THAT SCHEDULE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. EXECUTIVE CANNOT DO IT. BUT WE ARE GOING TO THEN, UM. IS THERE ANY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OF COURSE, CAN WE SKIP EVERYONE? CAN WE DO LIAISON REPORTS THE NEXT MEETING. MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOVED. ON FAVOR. I

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