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AFTERNOON CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER TODAY IS TUESDAY, AUGUST, THE SECOND YEAR 2022. IT'S 401 IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 2 22 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET. THE CITY OF
[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]
MCKINNEY. SORT OF BUSINESSES. PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS I DO HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP WILL BEGIN WITH MARTHA WOODS WHEN YOU COME UP WITH COURSE, IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TIMER WILL BE UP ON THE LEFT TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT. OKAY I KNOW WE HAVE LIMITED TIME EACH OTHER, SO I'M GOING TO USE THE CHEAT, CHEAT, CHEAT. I REPRESENT, BY THE WAY, I'M MARTHA WOODS. I REPRESENT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PAST. I HAPPEN TO BE THE INSTIGATOR AND EXECUTE ER OF THE PETITION. THAT STARTED THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.WE HAD TO FIGHT CITY COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT. MANY PEOPLE DID NOT SEE THE VALUES BUT WE DID FINALLY WIN. I THINK THAT THE RESULTS HAVE SPOKEN FOR THEMSELVES AND AS MUCH AS THE FACT THAT OUR DOWNTOWN IS A DESTINATION SPOT. THAT MEANS MONEY. PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN A HOUSE TO REDO IT. BECAUSE THERE IS SOME PROTECTION. AND THAT MEANS INCREASED TAXES. SO IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT HISTORIC, YOU BETTER CARE ABOUT THE MONEY BECAUSE IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. I. WELL SERVED ON THE BOARD TO TERMS. TO START OUT WITH AND I KNOW MANY THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE FUNCTIONING OF ETCETERA. BUT. I HAVE ALWAYS FELT STRONGLY ABOUT A FEW THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE. AND I HAVE SEEN SOME EXAMPLES. THAT MEANT. SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE IN PLACE. I THINK WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION. BETWEEN THE APPLICATIONS AND THE BOARD. AH I KNOW WE HAVE A HISTORIC OFFICER. BUT. WITH EACH OFFICER. I HAVE SEEN A WAY OF DOING THINGS CHANGE, BUT TO ME, COMMUNICATIONS SHOULD NOT BE ONE OF THEM. WHETHER THE APPLICATION IS SOMETHING THAT THE, UH. OFFICER CAN APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE. I THINK THE BOARD STILL NEEDS TO HAVE THE INFORMATION. IN CASE IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS MORE DISCUSSION. I ALSO FEEL THAT THE BOARD SHOULD BE COMPRISED TWO PEOPLE WHO REALLY, AND TRULY CARE ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT OUR BOARD DOES NOT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE BOARD ENOUGH AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO SAY THAT I'M JUST SAYING IT SHOULD BE. PEOPLE WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT IT. WHEN I WAS ON BOARD, I HAVE TO SHARE THIS STORY OF A GENTLEMAN NAMED BILL DOWDY. SOME OF YOU KNEW BILL. HE. GREW UP IN MCKINNEY AND THEN CAME BACK TO MCKINNEY TO RETIRE. AND BILL USED TO TELL STORIES ALL THE TIME ABOUT ALL ON MY PAPER ROUTE. SO AND SO WAS IN THIS PLACE AND THAT PLACE HE KNEW THE STORIES BEHIND. GIVE YOU ANOTHER MINUTE. JUST BECAUSE YOUR HISTORY OKAY? DID GO FAST. I'M SORRY, OKAY? I WILL SAY THIS IN CLOSING IF WE'RE GOING TO BE UNIQUE WE NEED TO BE WILLING TO STEP OUT OF THE BOX SOMETIMES. AND I WANT TO SAY THIS LITTLE DITTY BEFORE. SAVE THE ICEHOUSE.
IF THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO CONTINUE WITH THE MCKINNEY BANNER OF UNIQUE BAND NATURE, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT THEY PROVED THEY BELIEVE IT, ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY HALL THAT INITIATED THAT BANNER IN THE FIRST PLACE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BETTY, BECAUSE. I WOULD HAVE GIVEN HER MY PARENTS HELPED RAISE ME SO I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT I'M BETTY PET KAZAKH 11. OH, ONE WEST LOUISIANA STREET, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA. AND UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN UP HERE IN FRONT OF YOU SEVERAL TIMES. WITH CONCERNS WITH FRUSTRATIONS BECAUSE CURRENTLY SERVING ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. AND
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TOMORROW I'M COMING FOR MY INTERVIEW, AND I MAY BE KICKED OFF AFTER I GET UP HERE TODAY, BUT ANYWAY, I WILL TELL YOU THAT. IT'S THERE'S A CERTAIN EXPECTATION. OF SERVING ON THIS BOARD. THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT OUR TRUE ROLE IS, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT. WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT WE INITIALLY STARTED OUT TO DO. AND I KNOW THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED, AND BUT I FEEL LIKE SERVING ON THIS BOARD. IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE'RE FULFILLING THAT REQUIREMENT. OF HAVING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA, AND I WAS SO ENCOURAGED TO LEARN ABOUT LOOKING AT THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT DESIGNATION, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I'M INTERESTED TO LEARN ABOUT IT. BUT IN THIS IN THE WHITE PAPER, WHICH THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN THAT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT CAME ABOUT, BUT IT SAID AFTER NEARLY TWO DECADES OF PRIMARILY ENFORCEMENT DRIVEN PROGRAM. IN MY MIND, MAYBE IF WE GAIN THIS STATUS THAT IT MIGHT BE A MORE PROACTIVE APPROACH. I FEEL LIKE THAT. WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR SO ABSTRACT. IT'S HARD SERVING ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CONSISTENCY. BUT MAYBE IF WE LOOK AT A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, THERE MIGHT BE I DO WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO JUST GET UP HERE AND COMPLAIN THAT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THIS. THEN WE GOT THIS AND I DON'T KNOW PAULA. THIS WAS I WAS REALLY PROUD OF THIS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS. I'VE DONE FOUR HOUSES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS MAIL OUT BEFORE, AND IT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S MY HOUSE ON THE BACK, BUT I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. I LOOKED AT MY GOSH, THAT'S MY HOUSE, BUT THAT ANYWAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO US. I THINK THAT I THINK YOU ARE LISTENING. I THINK PAULA IS DOING A GOOD JOB AND TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD AND YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO PROTECT PROTECT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT THAT'S ALL THAT WE WANT TO DO. SO ANYWAY. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.JOANNA FREDO. HELLO GOOD EVENING AFTERNOON. JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA TODAY AND KIND OF LOOKING AT IT AND REFRESHING IT A LITTLE BIT AND, UM, JUST WANTED TO ALSO SAY THAT I AM SO PROUD TO LIVE IN MCKINNEY AND, UM WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE, IN MY OPINION IS A FACT THAT WELL, FOR ONE THING, WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES AND MCKINNEY AND THE OTHER THING IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT REALLY DREW MY EYE AND I THINK THAT IT'S KIND OF A HALLMARK OF MCKINNEY. SO I THINK PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA TODAY IS GOING TO, UM, AUGMENTED THE IMPORTANCE OF IT, AND I REALLY THINK IT'S GOOD AS A COMMUNITY THAT WE PRESERVE THE FEATURES OF OUR CITY THAT OUR CITY IS KNOWN FOR AND FOR WHAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN COMING AND VISITING MCKINNEY FLOOR. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THE LIST. UM REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS, ANY ITEM THAT COUNSEL LIKE TO DISCUSS NOW WITH STAFF. SEEN NONE WILL MOVE
[Informational Update on the City of McKinney’s Historic Preservation Program]
TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEM 2 TO 0714 INFORMATION UPDATE ON THE STATE MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM. YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. NICE TO SEE YOU. PAULA NAFTA PLANNING MANAGER, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE GOING TO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE OVERVIEW UPDATE ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAMS IN MCKINNEY AS BETTY MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO, BACK IN 2019, WE DID A WHITE PAPER THAT TALKED ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM. IN MCKINNEY SINCE ITS INCEPTION , INCEPTION BACK IN 1981, AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN UPDATE TO KIND OF LOOK OVER. WHAT THAT HISTORY IS AND WHERE OUR PROGRAMS ARE NOW AND WHERE THEY'VE COME IN THE LAST FEW YEARS SINCE THAT LAST UPDATE UM, JUST TO REFLECT AS I MENTIONED IN 1981 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM WAS BEGUN, WITH SOME ORDINANCE CHANGES THEN BUT OUR FIRST COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE KIND OF DOWNTOWN CORE THAT EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS FROM WAS INSTITUTE IN 1988. ALRIGHT AND THEN BY 1989. WE HAD THIS LARGER . I REFER TO IT AS THE TREE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT IS PRIMARILY OUR RESIDENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM HAS HAD THREE MAIN FOCUS IS OVER THE YEARS, OUR
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REGULATORY COMPONENT THAT WAS REALLY THE BULK OF OUR HP MISSION FOR THE 1ST 20 YEARS OR SO OF THAT PROGRAM FROM THE EIGHTIES UNTIL ABOUT 2008, AND THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REVIEWS THAT WERE DONE THAT ARE CONTINUING TO BE DONE BY STAFF AND THEN IN ABOUT 7 4008 IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTED LOOKING AT ECONOMIC INCENTIVES AND OTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD PROMOTE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN DOWNTOWN, SO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED OUR PROGRAMS AND STARTED LOOKING AT OUR TOURIST PROGRAM. ALRIGHT STARTED OUR HISTORIC MARKER PROGRAM WITH THE PROGRAM ADDED THE HISTORIC HOME RECOGNITION PROGRAM, CALENDAR AND REALLY KIND OF AMPED UP, STARTED DOING THE TOURS AND OUTREACH AND WE'LL LOOK AT EACH OF THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THOSE ARE FOR APPROVAL OF EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS AND WORK ON HOMES , AND IT'S LISTED AS THINGS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND SO THOSE ARE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND EXISTING CONSTRUCTION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. MOST OF THOSE CERTIFICATES ARE REVIEWED BY STAFF, AND THEN THERE IS THE ABILITY TO APPEAL THAT TO THE H P A B AND COUNCIL THEREAFTER. AND SO THAT APPEAL CAN COME FROM A HOMEOWNER APPEALING IT OR FROM US, APPEALING IT AND PUSHING IT FORWARD TO HPV. UM THEY ARE REVIEWED FOR APPROPRIATENESS TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. HEALTH THINGS FIT IN WITH THE DISTRICT . WE HAVE SOME GUIDELINES THAT WE USE TO FAULT, TOO, THAT WE FOLLOW TO DETERMINE THAT APPROPRIATENESS AND LOOK AT THAT THEY ARE PRESERVATION PRIORITY, THE SECRETARY'S STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION AND THE GUIDELINES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE AND A CHECKLIST OF DESIGN ELEMENTS BEFORE I MOVE ON. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THIS SLIDE THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS MAP. THAT IS OUR CURRENT CITY OF MCKINNEY. HISTORIC RESOURCES, GIS INTERACTIVE MAP, AND SO IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT THAT SITE, ALL THOSE LITTLE RED DOTS AND BLUE DOTS ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND IF YOU CLICK ON THOSE DOTS, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE HOUSES HAVE , OR THE PROPERTIES BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE COMMERCIAL HAVE LOOKED LIKE IN 1985, 2005 AND 2015 WITH THEIR DIFFERENT SURVEYS. NOT ALL OF THEM WENT TO THAT OLD. SOME OF THE NEWER PROPERTIES DIDN'T REALLY HAVE PICTURES IN 85 BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO YOUNG. BUT SO I MENTIONED THERE'S THREE THINGS WE LOOK AT ONE IS THE PRIORITY RATINGS FROM OUR SURVEY. ONE IS THE STANDARDS AND ONE IS THAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES CHECKLIST. THE PRIORITY RATINGS ARE ESTABLISHED WITH OUR HISTORIC SURVEYS, THE MOST RECENT OF WHICH WAS DONE IN 2015, AND THAT ESTABLISHES WHAT THE PRESERVATION PRIORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS HOW MUCH HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY TO SAVE THOSE PROPERTIES. AND SO WE HAVE HIGH HIGH PRIORITY PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE USUALLY, UM, VERY OUTSTANDING OR UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF ARCHITECTURE. THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO HISTORY OR SIGNIFICANT PERSON THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH, AND MANY OF THEM ARE EITHER ELIGIBLE FOR STATE OR NATIONAL RECOGNITION OR ALREADY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. AND SO THAT'S THE HIGHS AND THEN WE HAVE MEDIUMS, WHICH ARE GENERALLY CONTRIBUTED TO CONTRIBUTORY TO THE DISTRICT, AND THEY MAY HAVE SOME ALTERATIONS. BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN GENERALLY REVERSE THE ALTERATIONS OF TAKE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY. LOOK THEN WE HAVE LOW PRIORITIES, WHICH ARE PRETTY MUCH PRIOR LISTED ON THE LIST AS A PRIORITY BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH. THAT MEANS THEY'RE 50 YEARS OLD OR OLDER FROM THE TIME THE SURVEY WAS DONE, SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S PROPERTIES FROM 1965 AND BACK BECAUSE 2015 WAS OUR LAST SURVEY. AND THEN WE HAVE NON CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS. THOSE ARE NOT SUFFICIENT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH. OR THEY , WHICH MEANS THEY'RE YOUNGER THAN 50 YEARS. LIKE THIS ONE YOU SEE HERE IN THE PICTURE, OR THEY NO LONGER RETAIN THEIR HISTORIC INTEGRITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN MODIFIED SO MUCH THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL WHERE THE HISTORIC BUILDING WAS TO BEGIN WITH THAT PROPERTY. THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE USE. THIS IS KIND OF USED ACROSS THE NATION AS A METHOD OF ANALYZING PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR APPROPRIATENESS. THAT'S THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. THERE ARE 10 OF THESE AND THEY ALONG WITH THE STANDARDS.THERE'S ALSO A GUIDELINE THAT HELPS YOU ADMINISTER THIS STANDARDS. BUT YOU'LL SEE THERE'S FIVE HERE ANOTHER ANOTHER FIVE HERE. SOME OF THOSE WE HARDLY EVER LOOK AT. WE DON'T REALLY EVER LOOK AT ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESOURCES BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY DON'T HAVE TOO MANY AROUND HERE. THE STATE TENDS TO DEAL WITH THOSE MORE. AND CHEMICAL AND PHYSICAL TREATMENTS ARE USUALLY IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN DEALING WITH THINGS, BUT PRIMARILY, WE'RE FOCUSED ON HOW DETERIORATED FEATURES ARE REPAIRED AND MAINTAINING THAT KIND OF THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT FEATURES OR CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF A
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PROPERTY AND IT'S STUDYING. AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS A DESIGN GUIDELINES CHECKLISTS. THERE'S NOT A COPY OF THAT HERE. IT'S LITERALLY JUST A LIST OF CHECK THE ROOF. CHECK THE WINDOWS.CHECK THE DOORS. CHECK THE SIDING. THAT'S JUST STRAIGHT LIST. SO. THAT'S KIND OF A SUMMARY OF OUR REGULATORY ITEMS ARE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, THE INCENTIVES THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO INVEST IN THESE PROPERTIES AND IMPROVE THEM. INCLUDE OUR CHURCH PROGRAM THAT STARTED IN 10 4011. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT INCLUDES THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS IN HERE. THE MTC AND THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES. MANY OF THE PROPERTIES DOWN ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE KIND OF THAT HISTORIC CORE OF MCKINNEY, AND THIS PROGRAM IS A TAX RECAPTURE AND GRANT REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM. BUSINESSES GENERALLY CAN APPLY. AND GET GRANT FUNDS TO REDO THEIR FACADES DO CRITICAL MAINTENANCE TO THEIR BUILDING FOUNDATIONS. THAT KIND OF THING, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO MONEY THERE FOR CATALYST PROJECTS THAT HELP ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT. IF THE AREA TO THE HOMEOWNER. WE HAVE THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM. WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE JUST MADE SOME MAJOR OVERHAULS TO THAT PROGRAM. UM SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE THOSE OVERHAULS INCLUDE RAISING THE CAP ON FOREGONE TAXES SO THAT WE CAN OFFER THE PROGRAM TO MORE PEOPLE. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE MAP HERE SHOWS WHERE THE PROPERTIES WERE IN THAT HAD EXEMPTIONS BACK INTO THE FALL OF LAST YEAR, SO THAT WOULD BE FROM DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. THERE ARE THREE CATEGORIES UNDER THE NEW PROGRAM, THE MARKER EXEMPTION PROGRAM, WHICH IS FOR HOUSES THAT ARE OWNER OCCUPIED ARE OLD ENOUGH AND HAVE RECEIVED A HISTORIC MARKER WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, WHICH HELPS ADD HELPS ADD TO OUR HISTORY HERE. THERE'S THE REHABILITATION OPTION, WHICH IS A 50% EXEMPTION AND REQUIRES A $10,000 INVESTMENT. AND THEN THERE'S THE PRESERVATION OPTION, WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO PROPERTIES THAT SPEND ABOUT 4 5000 EXCUSE ME, AND THE REHABILITATION AND PRESERVATION PROPERTIES ARE ABOUT 40 YEARS OLD BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THEM ALONG TO MAKE IT TO THE 50 MARK. WE ALSO HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS. EMPOWERMENT ZONE. EXCUSE ME. THAT PROGRAM CAME ABOUT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE DIZZY AND THE GOAL BEHIND THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE WAS TO ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND SO WITH THIS PROGRAM, PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING NEW INFILL DEVELOPMENTS CAN GET WAIVERS ESSENTIALLY REFUNDS. THEIR SOME OF THEIR IMPACT FEES IF THEY FOLLOW A SET OF DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND THAT SORT OF DESIGN GUIDELINES LOOKS AT MAINTAINING THE MASS SCALE PROPORTION AND GENERAL AESTHETIC OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN TRYING TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH IT. THE THAT'S THE END OF OUR KIND OF INCENTIVE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE THOSE THREE PROGRAMS. UM AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER ARE REALLY ABOUT PROMOTING AND EDUCATING HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THE AREA. AND SO WE AS YOU AS I SHOWED YOU BEFORE WE HAVE THAT HISTORIC RESOURCES INTERACTIVE MAP THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GO FIND OUT IF THEIR HOUSING PROPERTY IS ON THE LIST. UM.
THAT WAY WE HAVE THE HOME RECOGNITION PROGRAM CALENDAR. THAT IS A PROGRAM OF INTO ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE H AND I SEE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE HISTORIC. THEY CAN BE NEW OR OLD , AND THE IDEA IS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR HOMES. AND SO WITH THAT CALENDAR NOMINATIONS COME IN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND IN THE FALL, THE H P A B BOARD SELECTS FROM THOSE NOMINATIONS 14 HOMES. THAT HAVE EXEMPLIFIED GOOD MAINTENANCE PRACTICES AND BEAUTIFICATION AND INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN THEY ARE FEATURED IN THE CALENDAR THAT'S RELEASED THE FOLLOWING YEAR. WE ALSO HAVE WALKING TOURS. WALKING TOURS WERE STARTED IN ABOUT 2010, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS. THEY WERE DONE MONTHLY FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. WE ARE NOW WORKING ON DOING THEM ABOUT TWICE A MONTH. THERE'S A FEW MONTHS IN THERE THAT WE DON'T DO THEM AND WE WERE BEEN WORKING ON EXPANDING THOSE WALKING TOURS, SO WE HAVE A KIND OF HISTORIC DOWNTOWN WALKING TOUR. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE FOCUSED ON KIDS. IT'S A LITTLE LESS DOOM AND GLOOM WHEN WE DO THE KID FRIENDLY ONES. WE DON'T TALK NECESSARILY ABOUT THE HANGINGS AND THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE COURTHOUSE. SO WE MAY TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS, BUT THERE'S COVER KIND OF ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORY OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE ALSO HAVE SOME SELF GUIDED TOWARDS AVAILABLE WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL WALKING TOUR THAT CAN BE DOWNLOADED FROM ONLINE THAT THAT KIND OF EXPANDS OUT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT A LITTLE MORE. AND WE ARE WORKING ON SOME UPCOMING NEW THEME TOURS FOR THE FOR THE NEXT YEAR. MORE ON THOSE TO COME, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A FEW VIRTUAL TOURS. THOSE HAVE BEEN DONE IN COMMUNITY AND COOPERATION WITH SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HERE IN TOWN AND SO AND SEE, SO WE HAVE THE HISTORIC RESOURCES
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MAP. WHERE YOU THAT MATH THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE WHOLE STORY MAP THAT GOES THROUGH AND HIGHLIGHT SOME OF OUR PROPERTIES DOWNTOWN. AND THEN WE HAVE A JUNETEENTH STORY MAP. MCKINNEY BLACK HISTORY STORY MAP AND MCKINNEY SALOONS STORY MAPS SO YOU CAN LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT DIFFERENT HISTORIES, AND THERE'S ALSO ONE THAT'S NOT UP HERE ONE ON THE COTTON MILL. AND THEN WE HAVE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD HAS BEEN A FIXTURE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM FOR MANY, MANY YEARS SINCE THEIR EARLY EIGHTIES. THEY HAVE SEVERAL ROLES. THEY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE AND PROMOTION ROLE IN PROMOTING PRESERVATION. THEY ARE ABLE TO RECOMMEND LANDMARKS OR CRITERIA FOR IDENTIFYING LANDMARKS, THEY CAN RECOMMEND HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND ADD MARKERS, PLAQUES CERTIFICATES THEY REGULARLY HEAR APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC MARKERS. UM, WE HAVE ONE COMING UP THURSDAY, SO THEY'LL BE HEARING ANOTHER ONE.THEY ALSO ARE ENCOURAGED TO HELP INCREASE PUBLIC AWARENESS BY SUPPORTING STAFF PROGRAMS THAT CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL ON HOW TO PROMOTE UNUSED FUNDS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION . AND THEY CAN RECOMMEND A COUNCIL THAT WE ACQUIRE LANDMARK STRUCTURES TO PRESERVE. THEIR ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE INCLUDES APPROVING AND DENYING AGENT EXEMPTIONS UP HERE, IT SAYS, LEVEL ONE, BUT WITH THOSE OVERALL OVERHAULS THAT WE DID TO THE PROGRAM THIS YEAR, THEY ACTUALLY CAN APPROVE . THEY ACTUALLY DO THE APPROVAL AND DENIAL FOR ALL THREE LEVELS OF THE PROGRAM. AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE AND DENY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT HAVE BEEN APPEALED TO THEM. WE HAVE BEEN MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND INITIATIVE IMPROVEMENT INITIATIVES SINCE THE 2019 WHITE PAPER WAS RELEASED. WHEN WE DID THAT WHITE PAPER. ONE OF THE THINGS WE RECOMMENDED WAS OVERHAULING THE PROGRAM. WE HAVE DONE THAT. WE JUST COMPLETED THAT IN MARCH. UM WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON DIGITIZING OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION RELATED APPLICATIONS AND ESTABLISHING A PUBLIC PORTAL WILL BE MUCH LIKE THE PLANNING RESOURCES MAP THAT WE HAVE OR HOPE THAT WILL BE MUCH LIKE PLANNING RESOURCES MAP THAT WE HAVE ONLINE RIGHT NOW. WHERE WHEN PLANNING APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, IT SHOWS UP ON THAT MAP IN A DIFFERENT COLOR, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE IT IS. SO WE'RE WORKING ON HOW TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN. WE ARE HOPING TO COMPLETE A NEW HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY SOON AS I MENTIONED THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS IN 2015 AND THAT ONE SURVEYED KIND OF THE AREA WITHIN THAT TREE SPACE THAT EXACT HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF DOING A NEW ONE THAT HOPEFULLY GETS US A LITTLE BIT MORE AREA. THERE MAY BE BACK TO THE OLDER AREAS WE HAD BACK IN 85. AND THEN WE ARE WORKING ON ESTABLISHING A MORE COMPREHENSIVE OUTREACH AND EDUCATION PROGRAM. BETTY SHOWED YOU THAT POSTCARD THAT WAS ONE OF OUR FIRST STEPS IN DOING THAT. WE HAVE EXPANDED THE WALKING TOURS. THAT POSTCARD WENT OUT TO ALL HOMEOWNERS IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE COMMERCIAL OVERLAY DISTRICTS TO KIND OF GIVE THEM A HEADS UP. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF OVERTURN OF RESIDENTS AND THINGS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND SO WE WANTED TO GIVE EVERYBODY A KIND OF A GENTLE REMINDER. HEY, YOU LIVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THESE ARE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU AND WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND, SO THERE'S WRONG. INCLUDED IN THAT WE HAVE EXPANDED OUR EMPLOYEE TRAININGS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO KIND OF MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS AND WHAT SOME OF OUR REGULATORY AND INCENTIVE OPPORTUNITIES ARE. IN PRESERVATION. WE'RE WORKING WITH LIBRARY SERVICES TO START DOING SOME MORE PROGRAMS. WE HAVE ONE UPCOMING ON SEPTEMBER 19TH ON APPLYING FOR THOSE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES IN HISTORIC MARKERS.
WE ARE WORKING TO GET NOTIFIED NEW. NOTIFY ME LIST UP AND RUNNING. IT'S THERE. WE'RE JUST WORKING ON USING IT MORE. FRUITFULLY. AND WE STARTED DABBLING OUR FOOT IN EXPANDING THROUGH COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY BACK DURING PRESERVATION MONTH. WE WORKED ON HAVING A POST EVERY WEEK ON THE CITY INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT. SO WE'RE WORKING ON EXPANDING THAT OR HOPING TO FIND MORE WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR OUTREACH EDUCATION OVER TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID RECENTLY WAS BACK IN MARCH. WHEN WE HAD THE EAST SIDE COMMUNITY MEETING. WE MADE SURE WE WENT TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING HAD A TABLE SO WE COULD MEET WITH HOMEOWNERS AND RESIDENTS IN THE AREA AND GIVE THEM A HEADS UP ON WHAT THOSE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES LIKE THE H AND IZ AND AN EASY IN THE TURTLES WERE FOR THAT AREA.
SO WHAT? WE ARE HOPING TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE NEW INITIATIVES AND PROGRAMS, OR WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF FEEDBACK THAT WE GET. WE DID A SIMILAR PRESENTATION TO THIS BACK IN EARLY SPRING WITH THE BOARD AND WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK
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FROM THEM AT THAT POINT, WHERE THEY NOTED THAT THEY WANTED SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR DESIGNATING AND RECOMMENDING LANDMARK BUILDINGS. THEY WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT AND POSSIBLY AUTHORITY ON C OAS, PARTICULARLY IN REGARD TO DEMOLITIONS. UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO WANTED POSSIBLY SOME MORE INSIGHT OR INVOLVEMENT IN THE ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT OF PROJECTS IN HISTORIC OVERLAYS, SO THEY WERE LOOKING AT ONES THAT MAY BE LARGE SCALE PROJECT THAT MIGHT END UP IN COUNCIL. BUT YOU KNOW, KIND OF LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT HERE IN TOWN. AND SO WE'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE HPV. SO NOW WE'RE HOPING TO MAYBE GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF OVERALL OPINIONS OR MISSION. IS FOR US GOING FORWARD. DO WE DO WE WANT TO LOOK MORE HEAVILY AT REGULATORY EFFORTS? DO WE WANT TO KIND OF EXPAND OR FIND ANOTHER WAY TO KIND OF IMPROVE OUR INCENTIVE PROGRAMS AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT? THE ROLE OF HP MAYBE AND HOW WE? HOW COUNCIL VIEWS BALANCING HISTORIC PRESERVATION WITH SOME OF THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE UPCOMING HERE? IN THE CITY. HAVE SOME QUICK THAT WAS YOUR LAST SLIDE. CORRECT IS THAT YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 11 FOR A MINUTE. TELL ME WHEN I GET THERE BECAUSE I DON'T GOING UM THE PAST IT THE YELLOW HOUSE. YEAH. ILL HOUSE HERE. WE'RE. BULLET POINTS ARE. YOU KNOW THIS, THE SITE SAYS, PROMOTING PRESERVATIONS, THE BABY. UH RECOMMEND LANDMARKS AND CRITERIA FOR IDENTIFYING LANDMARKS IS THAT ALREADY PART OF THE MISSION STATEMENT. IT IS RIGHT BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE MISSION STATEMENT. AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE. IT'S SAYING THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT , BUT THAT'S ALREADY THAT'S ALREADY BAKED INTO THE HP. BABY. CORRECT YES, IT IS. IT IS ONE OF THEIR SPECIFIC ROLES THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR LIST AND HAS THE JUST AGAIN SINCE THE ICEHOUSE.I'LL USE THAT, AS AN EXAMPLE HAS THE ICEHOUSE EVER BEEN RECOMMENDED TO BE A LANDMARK BY THE HPV? SO I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR. SO IN MY TENURE, I HAVE NOT SEEN IT COME BEFORE UNTIL THIS SPRING WHEN WE PROCESS LOOKED LIKE THAT COME TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION COMES FROM THEM TO CITY COUNCIL. THEY WOULD BRING IT TO US TO MY OFFICE AND THEN WHETHER IT WAS A BOARD MEETING OR JUST BRINGING TO US AND THEN WE WILL BRING IT TO YOU. THEREAFTER. OVER IN FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN MAYOR. I DON'T REMEMBER EVER HAVING I AM A MATTER OF FACT. I REMEMBER ANY NOT JUST THE ICE HOUSE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER. THE BOARD ASKING FOR THERE TO BE A RECOMMEND A LANDMARK ER OR OR IN ANY WAY, ACKNOWLEDGE THE ICEHOUSE AS A HISTORIC UM, STRUCTURE. IT'S ALSO NOT ON THE MAP. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WAS. IT WAS SURVEYED IN 1985, BUT IT WAS WEST OF EXTREMELY EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE, AND SO IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THOSE HISTORIC DISTRICT SERVICE. MATTER OF FACT, THERE IS NO STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF MCDONALD THAT I NOTICED. SO THERE ARE NONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF MCDONALD'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER, OKAY? I SAID, IT'S NOT BEING ONE OF THOSE ONE OF THEM IS NOT BEING ONE THAT'S EVER BEEN REQUESTED BY THE BOARD TO BE TO MY KNOWLEDGE NOW THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED NOT WRITTEN DOWN . I DON'T KNOW JUST BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DIALOGUE AND TRYING TO CF. HOW? MAYBE THAT THAT BUILDING SPECIFICALLY.
UM THERE WASN'T AS MUCH ATTENTION PAID TO IT. FROM FROM THIS SIDE, OR APPARENTLY, MAYBE THAT SIDE EITHER. UP UNTIL IT BECAME THIS VERY SPECIFIC ISSUE. UM YEAH, OKAY. I JUST. I WANT TO CLARIFY. I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER EVER BEING REQUESTED AND ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. WHO CREATED THE WHITE PAPER . IT'S GOT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS THING ON. IT IS A LARGE DOCUMENT DOCUMENT. IT WAS DONE BY MY PREDECESSOR, MR DUTY AND MR GERSH. IS IT LIKE I MEAN, IT'S GOT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THERE ARE THOSE LIKE CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY KIND OF GO BEYOND. I GUESS WHAT WAS ON THE PRESENTATION? YES, SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE C L G. UM IS THAT STILL I GUESS A STAFF POSITION THAT WE SHOULD SEEK THAT OR ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE C L G IS THAT IT OPENS UP THE AVENUES THE DOOR FOR MORE FUNDING. THERE ARE SOME FUNDS THAT WE CANNOT USE.
WE CANNOT HAVE ACCESS TO FOR PRESERVATION GRANTS AND THAT TYPE OF THING BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A C L G. UM AND SO THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR THAT WITH IT DOES BRING WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE C BRING REVISION TO SOME OF OUR POLICIES AND SO WE DON'T QUITE HAVE ALL
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OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT A C L G WOULD REQUIRE IN OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT THERE YET. DOES THAT INCLUDE, LIKE DESIGN APPROVAL OR PERMITTING APPROVAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT BY THE H P A. B DOES IT DOES INCLUDE IT DOES INCLUDE SOME TYPE OF REVIEW ADDITIONAL REVIEW BY THE H P B, WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE DEFINED ROLE IN, UM ACTUALLY BEING A DECISION MAKING BOARD MORE OF A DECISION MAKING BOARD FIRST PARTICULAR SOME TYPE OF ASPECT TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TYPE PROCESS SO IT WOULD BE IN THE C O A PROCESS FOR, YOU KNOW, CHANGING OR ALTERING, BUT ALSO FOR DEMOLITION. SECRET COULD BE, IS IT JUSTIN? WE'VE USED A LOT OF TERMS FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S JUST IN THE TREE JUST IN THE TREE. UM AND TO HAVE ANY CONTROL OUTSIDE OF THE TREE. WE WOULD HAVE TO REVISE THAT TREE TO REVISE THAT THE RULES TO REVISE THAT BOUNDARY HAVE CHANGED SINCE IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1988. IT'S REQUIRED THERE'S MORE REQUIREMENTS TO GET THAT. BOUNDARY EXPANDED SO WE'VE GOT ALL THE I GUESS ECONOMIC INCENTIVES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE TREE. BUT MAYBE NONE OF THE RESTRICTIVE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THIS TREE. THE OTHER . I GUESS THE THING THAT IS LISTED IN THERE THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE A C L G. IT SAYS ESTABLISHED QUALIFIED HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION, WOULD WE THE IS WHAT WE HAVE A QUALIFIED HISTORIC. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEFINE THAT WORD. HOW THEY DEFINE THAT WORD. BUT I GUESS WE HAVE THAT BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD. AT THIS POINT. IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF OVER. THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT APPROVAL REQUIREMENT AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, TO BE A C L G, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT'S MISSING FROM THEIR ROLE? YEAH THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE C L G, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE NEED, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE ALL ARCHITECTS OR NEEDS TO BE ALL CERTIFIED PRESERVATION OFFICERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, TO BE QUALIFIED. GENERALLY GENERALLY, THE QUALIFIED BOARD HAS SOME SOME NUMBER OF THAT BOARD IS SOME NUMBER OF THAT BOARD IS OUR OUR OUR ARCHITECTS, PLANNERS, LAWYERS, HISTORIC HOMEOWNERS. SAME THING WE HAVE NOW. THAT DOES IT REQUIRE THAT ALL OF THE MEMBERS ARE WITHIN THE TREE, OKAY? UM THE MAINTAIN A SYSTEM FOR THE SURVEY AND INVENTORY OF LOCAL HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT IS LISTED ON THE REQUIREMENTS. IS THAT PART OF WHAT WE'VE DONE? I MEAN, LIKE AS OUR PROCESS OF OUR SURVEY ADEQUATE FOR WHAT THEY REQUIRE. OUR SURVEYS ARE KIND OF COME AS THEY ARE AS THEY COME AND GO. WE DON'T HAVE A GENERAL SYSTEM OR TIMELINE, TIMEFRAME AND TYPICALLY WITH THE C L G. YOU HAVE A TIME FRAME LIKE A METHOD OR A PATTERN THAT YOU FOLLOW TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE UPDATING THEM REGULARLY. LIKE WHEN WE DID IT IN 85. I THINK YOU SAID AGAIN AND WHAT WAS THE MIDDLE ONE? WE DID ONE IN 85 1 IN 2005. AND THEN 2015 2015 LIKE THE 85 THE 2005. WE DID IT FOR THE ENTIRE AREA. I THINK YOU TOLD ME IN AN EMAIL TODAY IN 2015. WE DID THE TREE LIKE WE WOULDN'T. WOULD IT JUST BE REQUIRED OF THE TREE? OR IS IT THAT KIND OF SPORADIC TIMEFRAME THAT KIND OF SPORADIC SCOPE? THAT KIND OF DISQUALIFIES ARE IRISH FROM BEING VERIFY IF IT HAD TO STAY WITH JUST IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, HAVEN'T CHECKED QUITE THAT RULE YET, BUT GENERALLY, IT'S JUST HAVING A MORE REGULAR PATTERN. THE ONE THAT YOU'VE GOT ON THERE AS YOU'RE PLANNING. DO YOU INTEND FOR IT TO BE IN THE TIRE ENTIRE ECONOMIC ZONE? WE'RE HOPING FOR IT TO BE IN THE WHOLE AGENT IZ AREA COST THING. YES BUT WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN GET INCLUDED IN THAT AND THAT DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW HOW HOW BIG OF A SCOOP WE GO WITH OUR WITH OUR SURVEY SURVEYS CAN VARY WHETHER THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES AND DOING KIND OF A GENERAL HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY IS OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO INCLUDE WHAT ARE CALLED, UM.STATEMENTS THE WORD IS ELUDING ME AT THE MOMENT. I APOLOGIZE. KIND OF A STATEMENT OF A DEFINITION OF WHAT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CITY IS SOMETIMES, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU'RE CREATING A NEW HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASON FOR THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT WHAT ITS SIGNIFICANCE IS, AND SO SOME SURVEYS WILL INCLUDE HAVING THOSE ADDITIONAL CERTAIN STORIES AND HISTORIES DONE, TOO. SO JUST DEPENDS ON ALL THE FACTORS THAT WE ADD INTO THE SURVEY TO GET THAT DONE. AND SO YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE ISSUE OF WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THE AREA. SO GOING BACK TO THE DESIGN COMPONENTS OF THAT THAT
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WOULD NEED TO CHANGE IN OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE, AND I GUESS YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, IT WOULD ALIGN WITH WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES AND WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR WOULD REQUIRE. UM. CAN DO YOU HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF MAYBE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT MAY HAVE HAD DIFFERENT OUTCOMES WITH A DESIGN THING, AND I GUESS I'LL ASK A COUPLE EXAMPLES. SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A PROPERTY ON WADDLE STREET THAT BELIEVE HAS SOME CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ISSUES THAT HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH. LIKE THAT SORT OF THING COULD STILL HAPPEN , COULDN'T IT? YES THAT THAT PARTICULAR THING COULD STILL HAPPEN BECAUSE IN THAT CASE, THERE WAS AN APPROVED THE O A, AND THERE WAS OTHER ISSUES INVOLVED WITH IT. BUT THAT'S MORE ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS LISTED IS THAT YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE ENFORCEMENT TOOLS. UM YOU KNOW THE PROPERTY ON CHURCH STREET WITH A DEMOLITION. I WOULD JUST NEED I MEAN, IT HAD A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION, BUT IT WOULD JUST REQUIRE ANOTHER STEP IN THAT CORRECT IT WOULD IT REQUIRE . IT WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER STEP BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE UM, WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT BY ORDINANCE ON HOW LONG TO REVIEW OF PROPERTY AND THAT'S VERY DEPENDING ON COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. UM AND SO THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT TIMEFRAME. UM AND SO INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING THE TIME THAT WE HAVE FROM RECEIPT OF A COMPLETE APPLICATION, UM THAT WOULD EXTEND COULD EXTEND THAT TIMELINE GETTING IT ON THE BOARD TIMELINE GETTING IT ON A MEETING THAT KIND OF THING. UM ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT, UH I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT, BUT I THINK IT'S ON HUNT THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW THAT MAYBE KIND OF OUTSIDE OF SOME, UM NORMS. BUT I GUESS THE VARIATIONS GET APPROVED BY A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS RATHER THAN AN HPV. SO THE H YES, SO THAT SO IN THAT CASE THAT ONE ALSO HAD A C O A AND A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ADOPT AMENDMENT. THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS ONLY LOOKING AT THE APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE BUILDING WITHIN THE DISTRICT AESTHETICS, MASSING SCALE SIZE PROPORTIONS, ETCETERA. AND THE B O A WOULD THEN HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ADJUST THE SETBACKS AND THINGS THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE EITHER WAY , BECAUSE AGAIN, THE H B B WOULD STILL JUST BE LOOKING AT THE APPROPRIATENESS AND THEN NOT ADJUSTMENT WOULD LOOK AT THE PROPERTY SETBACKS, SO I GUESS YOU KNOW FOR A C L G PROGRAM YOU'RE ULTIMATELY TALKING ABOUT DO YOU GIVE THE HP BOARD MORE TEETH IN TERMS OF WHAT IS ALLOWED. AND OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE PROVIDING THOSE TEETH MORE ENFORCEMENT. OF THAT, UM I GUESS IS. THAT'S THE ULTIMATE QUESTION I HAVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WHAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO GET TO IS THAT A GOAL OR ARE WE SACRIFICING KIND OF THAT DESIGNATION FOR THE KIND OF ECONOMIC FACTORS THAT ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES THAT WOULD COME WITH IT. THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE C L G IS AN ECONOMIC FINISH BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE GRANT FUNDING. YOU KNOW , ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS THE SURVEY. WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE LG FUNDING FROM FOR THE SURVEY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A C L G, SO WE HAVE TO FIND FUNDING FROM SOME OTHER SOURCE. MAYBE I SHOULDN'T SAY THE ECONOMIC FACTORS. MAYBE I SHOULD SAY THE POLITICAL FACTORS. THAT THAT HINDER US FROM DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.UM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TWO MORE QUESTIONS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT HAS BEEN SAID IS KIND OF THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF HP. AND I KNOW I'M ASKING. YOU THIS WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE CONTEXT FOR 30 YEARS LIKE SOME PEOPLE IN THE ROOM DO BUT UM, I GUESS WHAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS CHANGED THAT HAS MADE IT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS. IS IT? IS IT JUST PEOPLE HAVE LEARNED TO EXPLOIT THE CRACKS THAT ARE THERE ARE THE LOOPHOLES THAT ARE THERE, IS IT KIND OF MONEY THAT PUSHES THROUGH LIKE WHAT DIFFERENT FOR THE ROLE OF THE H P B AND HOW YOU KNOW MAYBE THE OUTCOMES AND DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE INTENTION ORIGINALLY WAS. SO I WASN'T HERE WHEN THIS HAPPENED, BUT ORIGINALLY THE HP ABE HAD OVERSIGHT OVER THE OS. IN 2004 THAT CHANGED. AND IT WAS. AND THE AND THE OVERSIGHT WAS HPV WAS KIND OF TAKEN OUT OF THAT ROLE, EXCEPT FOR AN APPEAL LIKE IT IS NOW, UM AND PRIMARILY STAFF. REVIEWS FROM THAT FROM THE 2004 POINT ON THE ONLY THING I'VE SEEN IN RELATION TO THE REASONS FOR THAT WERE JUST LENGTH OF TIME ON GETTING CEO IS APPROVED. WHERE IT WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY TAKES AT LEAST 60 DAYS. FOR TO GET IT
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THROUGH THE H P H B BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO GET YOUR COMPLETED APPLICATION IN AND THEN IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT ONTO A BOARD SCHEDULED TO HAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF WEEKS AHEAD OF A BOARD MEETING, AND SO IF YOU IF YOU APPLY MAY 30TH YOU DON'T MAKE IT ON UNTIL THE JUNE MEETING BECAUSE WE MEET ONCE A MONTH AND SO WHAT ITEMS IN A CERTAIN TIME? I FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE COMING INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAN THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO GET IT, MAYBE SETTING A EXPECTATION FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO DRIVE BEHIND PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME. IT TAKES TWO TO GET PEOPLE TO ENTER. THE THING LIKE THIS IS A SLOW NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF LOTS OF THINGS, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT HER. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THE EXPERIENCE. THE EXPEDIENCY OF THAT IS NECESSARILY WHAT I LIKE. IS THE ANSWER TO THAT, RIGHT? NOT NOT THAT. I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE I'M FINE WITH SOMEONE HAVING TO WAIT 45 DAYS OR SOMETHING. UM, THE LAST QUESTION. I THINK IT'S WHAT THE MAYOR WAS ALLUDING TO LIKE, I GUESS AND BETTY SAID IT LIKE THM VERY REACTIVE LIKE IT'S JUST PRESENTED WITH A COUPLE OF DECISIONS HERE AND THERE, AND THEY DO THE CALENDAR. UM AND PICK THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE CALENDAR, AND JUST IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS. LIKE WHEN I SEE THIS, I THINK WILL THAT BE GOOD THING TO HAVE, AND I DON'T I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THAT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF LIKE, IF THIS IS IF THIS IS WHAT WE WANT THEM TO BE DOING IF THIS IS WHAT'S INTENDED FOR THEM TO BE DOING. AND IT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO BE DOING. HOW DO WE GET THAT TO HAPPEN? BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT IS STOPPED THIS FROM HAPPENING? I GUESS BECAUSE MY POINT WAS, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS LIKE WHAT? I DON'T KNOW. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT STOPPED THIS FROM HAPPENING, I CAN SAY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO HELP THEIR THEM BE ABLE TO FULFILL THEIR ROLE IS A MEMBER. I MENTIONED EDUCATION. WE ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME EDUCATION FOR THE BOARD AS WELL. SO THEY HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE EDUCATED AND WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE STATE AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN GENERAL. I CAN'T SAY IT ANY LONGER. WE DON'T DO THIS. I'M SORRY WE WERE WORKING ON WERE WORKING ON COMING UP WITH SOME SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ADD SOME EDUCATION COMPONENT TO MEETINGS , PERHAPS, OR SOMETHING TO KIND OF JUST KIND OF BRING UP, MAURA. OPPORTUNITIES INTO SORT PRESERVATION. SO THAT MAY. THE POINT TO THAT IS THAT THEY THAT MAY HELP THEM IDENTIFY SOME OF THE FUNDS BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT KNOW ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES. AND SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A COMPONENT THERE OF TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE ARE AND SHARE THOSE WITH THEM AS WE AS WE LEARN ABOUT THEM, BUT THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS, SO I WAS KIND OF THINKING THROUGH. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE LIKE THIS, LIKE THE PROACTIVE COMPONENTS THAT I THINK PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND IN MY HEAD I WAS THINKING THAT THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY OUTSIDE OF THE THAT THERE MAY BE LIMITATIONS OR THAT YOU KNOW, STAFF CONSTRAINTS OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT CREATE SOMETHING THAT THAT PREVENTS THIS FROM HAPPENING. AND I WAS I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THAT AN EXAMPLE THAT I'VE ENJOYED WATCHING AS THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PARKS FOUNDATION THAT YOU HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE INTERESTED IN FURTHERING THE UH , AGENDA OF THE PARKS AND PROMOTING THE PARKS AND WORKING WITH THE PARKS. AND THEY'VE CREATED THIS KIND OF SECONDARY ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN DO THINGS THAT BOARD PROBABLY CAN'T DO THAT CAN STEP OUT OF THE BUREAUCRACY SOMETIMES, AND I THINK IN A PRESERVATION BOARD STEP OUT OF THIS PROXY AND INTO ANOTHER BUREAUCRACY, BUT IT I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE A AN IDEA FOR A SOLUTION HERE. BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SO MANY INTERESTED PEOPLE. YOU HAVE A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THAT'S FULL OF INTERESTED PEOPLE. UM, BUT I SEE ALL THESE THINGS ON HERE, AND I KIND OF THINK. WELL THAT'S A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THEY WANTED AND SO I GUESS. MY TO SUM UP ALL OF MY QUESTIONS. I THINK THE C L G IS WORTH PURSUING. I WOULD BE INTERESTED. AND CONSIDERING THE ORDINANCES, OR AT LEAST LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE IS NEEDED TO MEET THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE REQUIRED. UM I THINK THE UM I GUESS THE TIME FRAME FOR THE ECOWAS IS NOT A CONCERN OF MINE.AND IN THE TREE ZONE, SO TO SPEAK. UM AND I THINK YOU KNOW ANYTHING WE CAN DO. TO ADDRESS
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AND PROMOTE AND COME UP WITH BETTER WAYS TO THESE THINGS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA THAT I WOULD SUPPORT. I WOULD ALSO ADD THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE WHITE PAPER ABOUT THE YOU KNOW? HOW DO WE? HOW DO WE EXPAND THAT INTO OTHER AREAS? I THINK THE FUTURE SURVEYS THAT WE DO SHOULD INCLUDE AREAS THAT PROBABLY INCLUDE. HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE TREE. UM THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES IN THAT AREA . WE SHOULD ALSO BE PROVIDING RESOURCES IN THAT AREA. TO WHAT? WHAT ACCESS THEY HAVE TO LAND. AND I LOVE THE POSTCARDS. YOU DID, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT WITH AND I SEE THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT WAS BEEN UNDERUTILIZED FOR 17 YEARS. OUTSIDE OF THE TREE. IT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO I'M FINE AND NOTIFIED PEOPLE OF THEIR ELIGIBILITY THAT MY COMMENTS. SORRY THEY WERE SO LONG. NO ABSOLUTELY WE WANTED FEEDBACK SO GREAT TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S TURN. GOOD LORD QUESTIONS IF YOU GO AHEAD HOLDING, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS FIRST. THANK YOU, JUSTIN FOR BEING VERY COMPREHENSIVE BECAUSE I THINK HE ANSWERED PROBABLY MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD AS WELL. I AGREE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TREE EXPANDED. I KNOW. IT SAID YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE TO EXPAND THAT BORDER. BUT I WANT US TO REALLY DIG IN AND TRY TO FIND OUT HOW TO DO THAT. EFFICIENTLY UM, I THINK MY CONCERN IS THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT WE ALL KNOW OF ON THE EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE THAT WE DO WANT TO PRESERVE. YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING OF LIKE HOLY FAMILY RIGHT, WHICH IS NOT CURRENTLY HISTORIC MARKER, BUT SHOULD BE AND SO I WANTED TO REALLY FOCUS IN ON EXPANDING THAT TREE BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. UM THE TWO THE FIRST TWO SURVEYS THAT WE HAD WERE DONE. FROM INDEPENDENT FIRMS. CORRECT OKAY, AND THEN THE 15 2001 WAS DONE IN HOUSE. CORRECT. HOW DO THOSE DIFFER? SO THE 1985 SURVEY WAS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE SURVEY. THEY DID, UM, UM WHAT'S CALLED WINDSHIELD SURVEY WHERE YOU BASICALLY DRIVE AROUND OR WALK AROUND AND TAKE PICTURES OF EVERY HOUSE AND IDENTIFY WHAT HOUSES YOU TOOK PICTURES OF.WELL, I SAY HOUSE PROPERTY. HOUSE BARN BUILDING, ETCETERA. THEY TAKE PICTURES OF THOSE, AND THEY THEN DO, UH, HISTORIC RESEARCH ON THEM GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT HOW ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE, UM, THEY DO. THEY DID IN 85 . THEY DID A MAILER WHERE THEY SENT OUT LETTERS TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND ASKED FOR FEEDBACK AND INFORMATION. AND SO IN THAT WE HAVE HISTORY'S PHOTOGRAPHS, LETTERS FROM SELECT HOMEOWNERS WHO SENT IN THEIR INFORMATION, AND THEN THEY CREATE THAT THEY CREATED THAT STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE OF WHY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS IMPORTANT. THEY GAVE US RECOMMENDATIONS ON POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AT THAT TIME THEY WERE RECOMMENDING . I THINK IT WAS FOR FIVE MIGHT HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM, BUT THEY WERE BASICALLY ALL CONTAINED IN OUR TREE WHEN WE MADE IT SO LIKE ONE OF THEM WAS THE PARKER DISTRICT IN ONE OF ONE WAS THE TUCKER DISTRICT. BUT THOSE ARE ALL ENCAPSULATED IN THAT TREE NOW AND SO THEY HAD . THERE WAS THAT THERE WAS THEY PROVIDED US WITH A CATALOG OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PHOTOGRAPHS.
THEY SENT THE PRIORITY RATINGS FOR THE PROPERTIES, WHETHER THEY ARE HIGH MEDIUM, LOW OR NON CONTRIBUTING. SO THOSE WERE ALL IN THAT 20 AND 1985 SURVEY 25TH 25 SURVEY WAS SIMILAR TO THAT IT HAD IT SURVEYED THE SAME AREA. IT LOOKED AT THE SAME SPACE OF PROPERTIES OBVIOUSLY INCREASED MORE BECAUSE NOW IT WAS 20 YEARS LATER, SO YOU CAN GET MORE PROPERTIES IN THERE. IT CREATED THE PRIORITY RATINGS AGAIN. I HAVE NOT SEEN. OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T HERE IN 2005, BUT I'M NOT SEEN ANY LETTERS OR MAILERS OR ANYTHING FROM THAT ONE, SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS QUITE AS EXTENSIVE AS THE 85 SURVEY. BUT IT DID COVER THOSE AREAS AND LIKE I SAID, COVERED MANY OF THE SAME PROPERTIES FROM 1985. EXPANDING OUT INTO THE YOU KNOW, EAST SIDE AND WEST OF THE TREE ON THE NORTH AND WEST SIDE. UM AND THEN THE 2005 SURVEY. SUZANNE 15. EXCUSE ME WAS REALLY JUST AN UPDATE SURVEY FOR THE TREE TO UPDATE THE DATA OF THE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES WITHIN THEIR TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY IS WORTH THAT POINT. ADD NEW PHOTOGRAPHS. UM SEE IF ANY PROPERTIES IN THAT BUBBLE IN THAT TREE HAD, YOU KNOW, AGED UP, ESSENTIALLY. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE KIND OF FOLK OF THE 2015 SURVEY. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR US TO CONSIDER HAVING ANOTHER INDEPENDENT SURVEY. ESPECIALLY WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE TREE. IT'S BEEN ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW SINCE THAT SURVEY WAS DONE, AND I THINK IT'S WORTH THE TIME TO GO AHEAD AND REINVEST IN THAT AND HAVE THAT DONE AGAIN, ESPECIALLY
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BECAUSE OF FABRIC OF EAST OF FIVE WITH MUNICIPAL COMPLEX COMING IS GOING TO BE CHANGING A LOT, SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT SOLIDIFIED WHERE WE HAVE MORE DETAILED STUDIES ON THE AREA. OKAY AS WELL. BUT YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS 25 OKAY WITH GIVING IT A NEW A NEW NICKNAME. UM AND THIS MAY BE NOT BE A NUMBER THAT YOU REALLY KNOW OPINION. BUT THERE IT LOOKED LIKE IN THE WHITE PAPER. THERE WERE 76 C O IS THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY THAT POINT? DO WE HAVE UPDATED NUMBERS? THAT WAS JUST FOR THAT YEAR JUST FOR THAT YEAR, JUST FOR THAT YEAR, SO ACTUALLY, I LOOKED IT UP JUST IN CASE YOU GUYS ASKED THIS YEAR WE'RE UP TO 69 OS. JUST THE OAS THAT DOESN'T COUNT. OTHER REVIEW ACTUALLY MIGHT EVEN BE HIGHER THAN THAT. 69 WAS THE TIME I LOOKED LAST, BUT LAST YEAR WE HIT 92. AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT 2020 WAS A BIT OF A CHALLENGING YEAR. SO THERE WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 72 2020, SO WE AVERAGE THE AVERAGE IS AROUND 7200. BUT I MEAN THAT THAT CHANGES ITS YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAKE MORE MODIFICATIONS OR LAST QUESTION AND 2009. IT LOOKS LIKE WE TRIED TO APPLY FOR C L G, BUT IT SAYS THAT WE WERE DENIED DUE TO SEVERAL INSUFFICIENCIES. CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THOSE WERE? ONE OF THOSE WAS THE ROLE OF THE H P A.B ONE OF THEM WAS THAT KIND OF, UM, PATTERN AND TIMELINE FOR THE SURVEY? UM UPDATING OUR ORDINANCE ORDINANCE WAS CLEARER. IT WAS IT WAS CONSIDERED KIND OF OBTUSE AT THE POINT AT THAT POINT, AND IT NEEDED TO BE A LITTLE CLARIFIED, NUANCED. IT WAS NUANCED AND UPDATED A LITTLE BIT AFTER THAT, BUT THOSE WERE THE KIND OF MAJOR MAJOR POINTS THAT NEEDED TO BE UPDATED. UM OKAY. I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE MAYOR'S EXAMPLE. WE COULD USE ANYTHING. THE ICEHOUSE WAS PRIVATELY OWNED FOR ALL THESE YEARS UP UNTIL THE CITY CLOSED ON IT IN MAY. LET'S SAY THAT THE BABY HAD HAD WANTED TO PUT A MARKER ON THAT IT WAS WOULD THEY HAVE HAD TO APPROACH THE PROPERTY OWNER? OKAY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO BE A WILLING PARTICIPANT IN THIS IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE ANY PLAQUE OR MARKERS CERTIFICATE WOULD PROBABLY RESTRICT THEM ON DE MOWING OR ADAPTING THE PROPERTY . IS THAT FAIR TO SAY SO LET ME MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION THERE. A MARK CITY OF MCKINNEY MARKER HAS NO ZONING AUTHORITY ATTACHED TO IT. IT'S JUST A HISTORIC MARKER TO TELL THE HISTORY IF IT WERE TO BE DESIGNATED AS A LANDMARK. IT WOULD THEN HAVE ZONING RESTRICTIONS. IF IT IS DESIGNATED AS A LANDMARK OR INCLUDED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT . THE PROPERTY OWNER THEN HAS TO HAVE A SAY IN IT, OR THE COUNCIL HAS MY QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE CITY. BLACK CITY, RIGHT? YEAH WHICH DOESNT LANDMARK GETS TO SOME KIND OF STATE TRIBUNAL.
IS THAT CORRECT OR WHAT? NO MARK MARK CAN BE JUST A CITY LANDMARK . OKAY STATE OR NATIONAL LANDMARK. OKAY WE COULD HAVE A CITY LANDMARK, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS, IT CREATES A ZONING ZONING RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY MARKER DOES NOT NOT CREATE THEIR ZONING RESTRICTIONS, BUT BUT IN ORDER TO DO THIS PRESERVATION, THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO PLAY BALL RIGHT IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT INTERESTED IN PLAYING BALL, THERE'S NO POWER THAT WE HAVE OVER THIS. STATE LAW SAYS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO HAVE I BELIEVE IT'S BELIEVED THAT TWO THIRDS VOTE OKAY STATE LAW THAT MANDATES WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO MAKE A DESIGNATED LANDMARK. OKAY AND I WOULD JUST GO ON SAYING YOU KNOW THAT. I REALLY PRICKLY ON PROPERTY RIGHTS. I BELIEVE THEY'RE THE CORNERSTONE OF OUR COUNTRY. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT THERE WERE. BUT UM, BUT YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. SO THANK YOU THAT RULE JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE AUDIENCE. THAT RULE CHANGED SINCE WE ESTABLISHED OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT STATE POLICY CHANGED IN 2019 SO BY MAKING IT MORE STRICT TO HAVE THE OWNER, THE OWNER REQUIREMENT FOR BEING INCLUDED IN THE HISTORIC BEFORE THEN THE OWNER WASN'T REQUIRED. I SEE. OKAY THAT'S AN UPDATE REQUIRED, AND OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE THE THAT WOULD BE VIRTUALLY THE REQUIREMENT FOR ANY AND EVERY PROPERTY WITHIN. C DOESN'T MAKE A PRACTICE OF GOING OUT AND BUYING HISTORIC PROPERTY. SO ANY BUT EVEN JUST STARTING, INITIATING THE PROCESS. MY QUESTION WAS, WAS IT EVEN BEFORE 2019 THAT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN COME TO THE COUNCIL AND SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MARKER ON THIS, WHICH WOULD BRING ATTENTION TO THAT BUILDING. THEY COULD STILL COME AND ASK FOR THE OWNER CAN STILL COME AND ASK FOR MARKET BUT IT HAS DOESN'T BOARD THE BOARD COULD ASK FOR MARK UP TO 2019. THEY COULD ASK EVEN TODAY FOR A MARKER AND IT WHETHER WE HAVE THE AND THERE MAY NOW BE THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT THE OWNER FOR THE FROM THE YES YES, EVEN FOR THE MARKER. I DON'T THINK IT'S FOR THE MARKER THAT THE WAY OUR
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MARK OUR CITY MARKET PROGRAM IS WRITTEN. IT'S REALLY JUST THE HOMEOWNER COMES AND ASK FOR IT.GENERALLY, THE PLAQUES AND MARKERS LIKE SO. IN FRONT OF TWO OH SIX SOUTH BENCHES, A STATE HISTORIC MARKER. THAT'S A STATE HISTORIC MARKER SAYING THAT MR WALLER OWNED THIS PROPERTY BACK IN THE 18 LATE 18 HUNDREDS, AND SO THAT'S DESIGNATED BY THE STATE. SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WOULD GENERALLY THE HP COULD COME AND ASK FOR, BUT AGAIN, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE OWNER'S PERMISSION TO PUT THE MARKER ON THE GROUND. I UNDERSTAND. AND LAST QUESTION.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A C L G, ALLOWING US TO ACCEPT FUNDING AND WHAT LEVEL IS THAT ON IS THAT COUNTY STATE FEDERAL? ALL THREE DEPENDS THERE. UM NOT SO MUCH COUNTY. BUT THERE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS THAT YOU CAN GET ASSOCIATED WITH C L G WHEN YOU HAVE C LG STATUS. THAT YOU JUST THERE'S YOU KNOW WHEN THERE'S ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS, YOU MUST BE A C L G TO GET THOSE FUNDS. SO. WHAT DO THE WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT IS YOU GO TO THE LAST SLIDE? AND I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, THOUGH IN RESPONSE JUST SOMETHING YOU SAID . I THINK FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IN 2004, IT WAS CHANGED BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS WIDELY THOUGHT THAT THE THERE IS A REAL BOTTLENECK AND WHATNOT HAVE GETTING THOSE APPROVED AND THEY JUST NEED TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND I WOULD PUSH BACK SAYING THAT BECAUSE SOMEONE COMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE DON'T CARE HOW LONG IT TAKES. AND I'M SURE YOU DIDN'T MEAN THAT JUST AND THAT DIDN'T CARE HOW LONG IT TAKES. IF IT WERE YEARS OR LONGER, YOU KNOW, BUT TO A TO A PROPERTY OWNER. I'M HAPPY TO KNOW SOMEONE PERSONALLY. NOW THAT'S INVOLVED IN A $5 MILLION PROJECT AND IT'S BEEN GOING THROUGH A LONG PROCESS, AND IT'S AN INTRICATE BUILDING. BUT IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT HE HAS BEGUN THAT PROCESS, INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP 50. SO TO THAT GUY. WHAT TIME SURE MEANS A LOT AND SO WITHIN REASON, I THINK WE WANT TO. THERE CAN BE AN EXPECTATION FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER PERIOD TIME, BUT I WOULD PUSH BACK VERY STRONGLY AGAINST THAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT TIME AT ALL THAT BECAUSE OF THOSE MAKING THE INVESTMENT TIME IS MONEY AND AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THAT'S THAT'S REAL REAL MONEY THAT'S NOT JUST CARRYING COST FOR FIVE OR SIX MONTHS. THAT'S CARRYING COSTS THE NEXT 30 YEARS ON A $5 MILLION PROJECT AT 50% MORE IN INTEREST RATES, SO I WOULD I PUSH BACK HARD ON THAT. UM SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THROUGH A GOOD PROCESS, BUT ABSOLUTELY NOT A MINUTE. MORE THAN THAN THAT TIME WOULD REQUIRE. AND IF IT WAS GOING TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD WOULD WANT THERE TO BE VERY, VERY, VERY STRICT REQUIREMENTS ON TURN AROUND AND WHATNOT BECAUSE IT'S IT IS FISCALLY UM, LETHAL TO ASSAM. BUT THE DELAYS SO. BUT YOU WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY THAT TIME REGULATORY EFFORTS. COA'S UM, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. MHM DO YOU FEEL THAT? THAT THERE HAS BEEN A COMPROMISE ON SINCE STAFF HAS BEEN TAKEN ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS SOMETHING ANYTHING BEEN COMPROMISED? UM INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. WHAT DID YOU WANT TO JUST A FEW? YOU KNOW THAT THERE WERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAD? I THOUGHT MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK BACK AT OR WE RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT DID WE JUST DID, UM. AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO COME OUT WRONG. SO I APOLOGIZE IN THE FRONT SIDE OF THIS IS THAT MY TIME UP? UM YOU KNOW, I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE A GENERAL STATEMENT BECAUSE I AND I AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT. WE LIVE HERE. HEY, WE'RE DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW, WE CARE, BUT I REALLY WOULD ASK THAT PEOPLE CONSIDER THAT LIVE IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THAT THE CITY OF MCKINNEY OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ACTUALLY MADE QUITE AN INVESTMENT IN DOWNTOWN WERE WERE MATTER OF FACT, MAYBE EVEN MORE SO INVESTED IN DOWNTOWN THAN THOSE WHO LIVE HERE IN THE SENSE THAT ON OUR TOURS AND THE AND THE AND ALL THOSE FUNDS THAT STAY HERE TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE COLLECTED AND STAY IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT DON'T GO TO THE GENERAL FUND AND SUBSIDIZED EXPENSES ACROSS THE CITY. WE AS A CITY AS A COUNCIL REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, WE MAKE A DECISION TO SAY THAT HEY, THAT MONEY THAT IS COLLECTED IN THIS SECTION. WHEREAS THE REST OF THE CITY MONIES COLLECTED. IT GOES DISPERSED ACROSS THE CITY FOR SUBSIDIZATION OF EXPENSIVE OR NOT, WE AGREE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REINVEST IT ONTO DOWNTOWN. SO WE WENT. WE ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF DOWNTOWN. TO THE EXTENT THAT WE MAKE A FISCAL CHOICE AND DECISION TO COST EVERYONE IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY MONEY. THAT BENEFITS. AND I WON'T SAY I'D SAY ARGUABLY
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BENEFITS ONLY HISTORIC DOWNTOWN . I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK IT BENEFITS THE WHOLE CITY, WHICH IS WHY WE MAKE THE DECISION TO DO WHAT WE DID. AND WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. BUT IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO THINK THAT THE DOWNTOWN AND BECAUSE WE DON'T BECAUSE I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF DOWNTOWN. THAT MY DECISION ON THE ICE HOUSE WAS SOMEHOW DIFFERENT THAN IF I HAD LIVED HERE. MY DECISION WAS MADE BASED ON JUST FACTS, PURE AND SIMPLE. AND, UM AND NOT NOT LACK OF CARING AS MUCH BECAUSE I DON'T PHYSICALLY LIVING DOWNTOWN. I MEAN, I CAN'T I MAKE A VERY CONSCIOUS DECISION APPEAR AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL AND WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS TO INVEST HEAVILY IN DOWNTOWN. AND BY THE WAY THAT GOES IN NOT NOT EVEN JUST THESE THREE BOARDS OR PROGRAMS RATHER SORRY. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT STATEMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A OR THAT THERE'S MAYBE NOT HELD THE SAME CONCERN . UM WHEN YOU LIVE OUTSIDE DOWNTOWN, I WOULD I DISAGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. THE H P B. YOU KNOW, I, UM WHAT? WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD? SO FAR FROM UP HERE. SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR THE C LG, THEN THAT WOULD THAT WOULD CHANGE THEIR ROLE. TO GIVE THEM SOME KIND OF AUTHORITY TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS THERE, SO THAT WOULD BE PART AND PARCEL. THAT'S THAT'S BEEN STATED BY SEVERAL MEMBERS APPEAR AGAIN THE EXPENSE. WOULD BE WHEN WE. NEED TO APPLY AGAIN, RIGHT? YES, THE FUNDING. WOULD TELL ME HOW IT'S FUNDED. HOW WHAT IS FUNDED? WELL WOULD THERE NOT BE ANY EXPENSIVE SEARCH ASSOCIATED WITH THE C L G. I'D HAVE TO VERIFY THAT BECAUSE I AM DUMPED NOT UP TO SPEED ON. IF THERE IS A FEE ON THAT OR NOT, I COULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON IT. OKAY I ASSUME THAT THERE MAY BE ACTUAL, UM SO APPLICATION THERE MAY BE APPLICATIONS NOT WORRIED ABOUT APPLICATION FEE. MAYBE IMAGINE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. I MEAN, IS THERE NOT ANY I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. IF I COULD, MR MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE C. LG ITSELF IS A TOOL AND IT'S A POWERFUL TOOL DOES HAVE FEDERAL OVERSIGHT AND BE MINDFUL OF WHAT THAT MEANS. WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT ISN'T AS A RESULT OF THAT. IN AND OF ITSELF. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE ABBEY UM IT'S IT. IT CHANGES THE ROLE OF THE H P B. THAT'S A DECISION THAT'S DECIDED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. UM YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT ROLE DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE H P B. TAKE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RESOLVE THAT TONIGHT. UM, BUT WHAT I DO BELIEVE WHAT PAUL IS DOING. SHE'S DOING A GREAT JOB, BY THE WAY IS A DELICATE ISSUE, AND WE KNOW THAT. UM BUT, UM, IS LET US WORK WITH COMING UP WITH SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU TO EVALUATE IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT ROLE IS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO, SO THEY'RE REALLY THE PURPOSE OF TODAY IS DO YOU WANT US TO DO THAT? DO YOU WANT US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS? COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU. THE COUNCIL AS A CONSENSUS COULD SAY NO, WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT IT IS TODAY AND DON'T SPEND ANY MORE TIME ON THIS. BUT IF THE COUNCIL DOES WISH FOR US TO DO THAT, THEN WE'LL DO THAT. WE'LL WEIGH THE GIVE YOU THE SORT OF THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF EACH OF THESE SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION RIGHT NOW. I THINK YOU'VE GOT HALF A SANDWICH AND WE'VE GOT MORE TO PROVIDE THE COGS A GREAT PROGRAM. BUT THAT'S NOT IN AND OF ITSELF DOESN'T CHANGE THE ROLE OF THE HPV. YOU DO. VERY SO ARE YOU LEAVING HERE WITH YES, DIRECTIVE DIRECTIVE. YOU NEED MORE WELL, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. AS PAUL SAID , WE'LL COME BACK WITH. YOU KNOW, ONCE WE'VE COLLECTED MORE INFORMATION AND GOT SOME OPTIONS TOGETHER THAT WE CAN KIND OF PRESENT TO JOHAN AND DISCUSS A LITTLE FURTHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CANCELED THE A'S ON UPDATES REGARDING VARIOUS CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND HERE. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, CAN I CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING? UM LAST YEAR, UH, LAST WEEK IN THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE I'VE BEEN HERE HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND A LOT OF TIMES. YOU SAY THINGS THAT PEOPLE TAKE WRONG OR THAT ARE MISCONSTRUED OR THE FACT THAT YOU JUST DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME. THAT KIND OF HAPPENED TO ME LAST THIS LAST MEETING. UM DURING THIS MEETING, THE LAST TIME DURING THIS MEETING WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OUR DISTRICT CHANGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND I SAID SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE CONSTRUED AS KIND OF A DEROGATORY STATEMENT TOWARDS COUNCILMAN BELLER AND THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT. MY INTENT WAS FIRST OF ALL, I THINK COUNCILMAN BELLA IS A GREAT CITY COUNCILMAN FOR DISTRICT ONE. I THINK HE DOES A GREAT JOB. I THINK HE REPRESENTS US REALLY[01:05:02]
WELL, AND MY INTENT WAS TO JUST SAY THAT THE DISTRICTS ARE THE REASON WE HAVE DISTRICTS BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT NEEDS IN REPRESENTATION FOR THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. UM SO I JUST. IF I SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS OFFENSIVE, I APOLOGIZE AND COUNSELING. BELLER I SUPPORT YOU. I THINK YOU'RE A GREAT COUNCILMAN AND SO I JUST NEEDED TO SAY THAT TO CLEAR THE AIR.THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT, UO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE
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