[CALL TO ORDER]
[Election of the Chair and Vice-Chair]
[Update on the Municipal Complex project and the Icehouse site]
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SOME. DEMOS, SUBSURFACE THEM DEMO AND, UH, BECAUSE THE FOUNDATION IS GOING TO BE YOU
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DON'T WANT TO FOUNDATION BUILT OVER. A WALL THAT'S GONNA HOLD FIRM WHILE THE REST OF THE SOILS[00:24:33]
ARE COMPACTING AND SHIFTING. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING SOME DEMO THERE AND THEY'RE COMING ACROSS[00:24:37]
THE TANKS, WHICH? YEAH YOU SAID AMMONIA. THERE'S A VERY STRONG AMMONIA. PRESENCE IN THOSE TANKS[00:24:46]
. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY FOUND TODAY. ALL I KNOW IS THEY FOUND SOMETHING ELSE. AND I WAS LIKE, OH, NO. HERE WE GO. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, IF THERE THERE ARE GOOD THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THIS THAT THE POLLUTION THAT'S PRESENT ON THE SITE. IT WAS GOING TO BE A HINDRANCE FOR[00:25:02]
RE USE OF THIS SITE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE AND TROUBLE OF BRINGING IT TO A POINT WHERE IT CAN BE REUSED. SO THE CITY'S EFFORT TO PUT CITY HALL OVER THERE WELL, IT'S EXPENSIVE, AND I WOULD TELL THE COUNCIL THIS TO IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO CLEAN THIS UP. BUT IF WE WEREN'T DOING IT, NOT MANY OTHER PEOPLE WOULD. AND SO THIS SITE WOULD SIT AND BE DERELICT FOR MAYBE A WHOLE ANOTHER GENERATION UNTIL SOMEONE CAME FORWARD AND MADE THE CHANGE. SO WHILE IT'S A IT'S TROUBLING EVERY TIME THEY CALL ME AND SAY, WE FOUND SOMETHING IT'S WORTH IT TO GET IT CLEANED UP SO THE SITE CAN BE RE USED TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.OKAY? GOOD OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT, MAN. OKAY SO WE
[CONSENT ITEMS]
ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND WE HAVE ITEM . THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S IT. OKAY OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 22-0898 MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD.REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST. 4TH 2022, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I WANT TO APPROVE THE OKAY FOR MISS HINES. SORRY OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY MR PENCE.
OKAY ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND, OPPOSE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD TO
[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by Andrew Harris for Approval of a Historic Marker for the Property Located at 514 West Hunt Street]
GO ON THAT THEN. OKAY NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THAT TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. AND THAT IS ITEM NUMBER HP 2022-009. CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY ANDREW HARRIS FOR APPROVAL OF A HISTORIC MARKER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 5, 14, WEST HUNT STREET AND CASSIE IS GOING TO BE MAKING OUR PRESENT PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CASSIE . AND I'M A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER FOR THE CITY. AND TODAY I'M BRINGING FORWARD THE HISTORIC MARKER APPLICATION FOR 5 14 WEST HUNT, ALSO KNOWN AS THE HORSE NEILSON HOUSE. SO THIS HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1917 IN THE AMERICAN FOURSQUARE STYLE. IT'S WOOD FRAME ON A PIER AND BEAM WITH A NEAR SYMMETRICAL FACADE IN A CENTRALLY LOCATED DORMER.THERE IS A FULL WITH PORCH WITH TUSCAN COLUMNS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN YOUR PACKET THAT GOES OVER THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, BUT I JUST WANT TO SUMMARIZE AS BEST I CAN A LITTLE BIT OF THAT RIGHT NOW FOR YOU. SUCCESSFUL LOCAL CONTRACTOR ARTHUR W. DARWIN. BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 1913 AND CONSTRUCTED A HOME ON IT BEFORE 1916. WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE IN MARCH OF 1916 AT 25 YEARS OLD MADE THAT THOMAS PURCHASE THE LAW IN THE HOME FROM HIM. THE ORIGINAL INDEED WAS IN HER NAME ALONE. AND MOVE IT. THOMAS AND HORACE NELSON, MARRIED ON AUGUST 7TH OF 1917. SO JUST SHORTLY AFTER THERE'S SOME SPECULATION THAT IT WAS BOUGHT KIND OF AS A PREEMPTIVE MARRIAGE GIFT, WHICH IS TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IN THE MARKER APPLICATION. EIGHT MONTHS LATER. HORSE WAS A LIEUTENANT IN THE ARMY, AND HE WAS TRAINING AT CAMP PIKE IN ARKANSAS. BRIEFLY DURING HIS TRAINING. MAYBE IT HAD MOVED TO ARKANSAS TO BE WITH HIM, BUT THEN THEY BOTH RETURNED TO MCKINNEY. AND AFTER WORLD WAR ONE, HE BECAME A PARTNER IN THE IN A FIRM THAT WOULD TAKE ON HIS NAME. HOUSTON AND NIELSEN. FROM THE 19 TWENTIES THROUGH THE LATE 19 FIFTIES. OR IS HELD MANY DIFFERENT JOBS AS AN ATTORNEY, SUCH AS THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY JUDGE, AND HE WORKED AT APARTMENT PRACTICE. HE RETIRED IN 1959 AFTER BEING CITY ATTORNEY FROM 47 TO 59. UM THEY BOTH LIVED IN THE HOUSE UNTIL THEY PASSED AWAY IN 1971, WHICH MADE THEM OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY FOR 54 YEARS. THE HOME EXCHANGED HANDS SEVERAL TIMES IN THE YEARS AFTER THAT. SO THE HOMELESS LISTENERS A HIGH PRIORITY IN OUR TWO 2015 UPDATE OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY AND ROUTINES A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER IN THE CONTEXTUAL INTEGRITY. AND THIS IS JUST SOME SANBORN MAPS FOR YOU, 1920 1927, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE LOT FINALLY GOT SPLIT INTO WHAT'S THE LOT LINES NOW. SO THERE ARE SOME ALTERATIONS TO THE HOUSE THAT I'LL BRIEFLY GO OVER. UM LIKE I SAID IT WAS BUILT CIRCA 1917 UNKNOWN DATE, CIRCA. 1920 THE DINING ROOM WAS EXTENDED SEVERAL FEET TO THE EAST. THEN ANOTHER UNKNOWN DATE,
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CIRCA 1965. IS WHEN THE EASTERN PORTION OF WHAT WAS A WRAPAROUND PORCH WAS ENCLOSED AS WELL AS A REAL REAR PORCH AND CLOSED AND THEN IN 2000, THERE WAS A GARAGE CARPORT EDITION, WHICH CONNECTS TO THE REAR OF THE RESIDENTS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THAT BOTTOM PHOTO. AND THEN IN 2021, SO JUST LAST YEAR THERE WAS A REHABILITATION PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDED REMOVING VINYL SIDING AND ALUMINUM FRAME WINDOWS AND INSTALLING NEW ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS, REPAIRING ROOFS AND GUTTERS. INSTALLING NEW SIDING SHINGLES ON THE DORMER REINSTALLING A WINDOW THAT HAD BEEN COVERED CAULKING AND PAINTING. STAFFS REVIEWED THIS REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNERS AND FOUND THAT THE HOME MEETS THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM FOR HISTORIC MARKER. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I WILL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. THANKS I KNOW THAT THAT APPLICANTS ARE PRESENT. AND IF YOU ALL WANT TO COME UP AND SAY ANYTHING, AND. DO YOU? YEAH IF YOU JUST, UH. YOU HAVE TO LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU STAY YOUR SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. ALL OF THE MAJOR POINTS. UM THE HOUSE WAS SEVERELY DAMAGED IN FEBRUARY. UM WHEN WE HAD THIS HISTORIC FREEZE, AND THE THAT MADE THE REASONS FOR THE REHABILITATION, ALL THAT MORE PRESSING IN THAT WE. HAD LEAKING PIPES FROM THE SECOND FLOOR INTO THE FIRST FLOOR. AND AFTER 18 MONTHS BATTLING THE INSURANCE COMPANY, WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD WITH IT ANYWAY. WE DID GET SOME DEGREE OF SATISFACTION. I WON'T . I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON THAT. ONE. UM THE ONLY THE ONLY, UM SLIGHT CORRECTION. IS THAT THE GARAGE SECTION IS NOT ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. IT. ONE ROOF GOES OVER THE OTHER. BUT I BELIEVE THE APPLICATION OF PRIOR OWNERS , UH, FOUND THAT THEY COULDN'T ATTACH THE ROOF. THE COULDN'T HAVE A SINGLE ROOF, SO IT'S ACTUALLY A SEPARATE BUILDING.OTHER THAN THAT EVERYTHING IS 100% CORRECT. NOW BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT WHAT WE DID AND WHY WE DID IT. UM, BUT BASICALLY WE'VE BEEN PLANNING TO DO SOMETHING FOR YEARS AND THEN A CRISIS DEVELOPED AND WE HAD NO CHOICE. BUT WE HAD TO DO IT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T CLOSE THE WINDOWS AND WE COULDN'T UM, THE FLOOR WAS SLOPING AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO, BUT TOM MAY KNOW BECAUSE HE WAS THERE A LOT OF ACTIVITY DOWN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A CAR. I DROVE BY THE OTHER DAY, AND I THINK IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. I THINK YOU DID. A REALLY GREAT JOB IS BEAUTIFUL ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR. UM WELL, THE FRONT DOOR WAS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THEY DIDN'T SAVAGE WHEN THEY PUT ON THE VINYL SIDING BECAUSE IT WAS A SEPARATE UNIT. AND. WE FOUND THESE DIAMOND CARVINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PAINTING PAINTED OVER. SO WE STRIPPED DOWN THE FRONT DOOR AND, UM THAT THOSE OF THE SIDELIGHTS AND REVEALED WHAT WE COULD OF IT, BUT THEIR ORIGINAL YEAH, THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL. CHANGING COLOR TO REALLY VERY NICE. VERY WIDE AND UNUSUALLY WELL PROPORTIONED FRONT PORCH. UM. AND TUSCAN PILLARS. I'M TOLE NEAR THE CITY OF FLORENCE. BUT UH, WE APPRECIATE HAVING THE DESIGN UM THE OTHER THING WE DID WAS WE REVEAL THE WINDOW AND THE DORMER, WHICH HAD BEEN COVERED OVER FOR YEARS. AND WE ALSO REVEALED. WE HAD FOUND WHEN HANGING A PAINTING IN THE INTERIOR OF ONE OF THE BEDROOMS , WHICH MY WIFE USES THIS STUDY NOW. THAT WE HIT GLASS. AH WE CERTAINLY HEAR A SHATTERING IN THE WALL, AND WE'VE FIGURED OUT THERE HAD BEEN A WINDOW THERE THAT THEY COVERED OVER ON THE
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OUTSIDE ON AND ON THE INSIDE. SO WHEN WE WENT ABOUT DOING THIS EXTENSIVE RENOVATION, WE UH, PUT THE WINDOW BACK IN WHERE IT WAS. SO IN THE YOU HAD TO REMOVE ALL THE OLD SIDING AFTER THAT WAS UNDERNEATH THE ALUMINUM SIDING. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL IT WAS VINYL SIDING, VINYL SIDING UNDERNEATH IT, RIGHT? YEAH SOMEWHERE IN IN MOST PLACES IN MOST PLACES, OKAY. A LOT OF IT HAD ROTTED OUT. I WONDER WHEN THEY PUT THAT SIDING ON THERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY? WAS IT THE OWNER BEFORE YOU OR DO YOU HAVE ANY? I THINK IT WAS THE BRYANTS. UM HE, UH THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM THE NIELSENS. AT SOME POINT THEY WANTED TO DO A QUICK FIX. HMM? I THINK THEY DID THAT A LOT. DURING THAT TIME. I REMEMBER WHEN THE BRIDE'S ON THAT HOUSE. YEAH, VINYL HEAVEN.AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY TORE OUT THE ALL THE WINDOW TRIM AND JUST SLAPPED EVERYTHING OVER IT SO WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE COME BACK LIKE WE SURMISE FROM WHAT THE FRONT DOOR LOOKS LIKE THAT THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME MORE ORNATE TRIM. BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS. THEY JUST RIPPED IT OUT. GOOD JOB, OKAY? ALRIGHT SO NOW DO DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH SO THIS IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF A HISTORIC MARKER FOR SIDNEY HARRIS, HIS HOUSE. I SAW MOVE.
OKAY SO I HAVE A MOTION BY MR WEST. GOOD BYE BYE, MR PENCE. UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED OKAY? UNANIMOUSLY PASSED. ALRIGHT ITEM NUMBER HP
[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Andrew Harris for a Level 1 (Historic Marker) Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption for the Property at 514 W. Hunt]
2022-009. CONSIDERED DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY ANDREW HARRIS FOR A LEVEL ONE HISTORIC MARKER HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE PROPERTY AT 5 14 WEST HUNT. AND CASSIE IS GOING TO GIVE THIS PRESENTATION ALSO. THANK YOU, CASSIE. OF COURSE. SO THIS WILL BE BRIEF SINCE YOU JUST LEARNED ABOUT THE HOUSE. BUT THIS. LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED IS FOR A LEVEL ONE TAX EXEMPTION. SO JUST AS A REMINDER THE CRITERIA FOR A LEVEL ONE HISTORIC MARKER INCENTIVE AREA GOES AS FOLLOWS. THE PROGRAM. HAS TO OR THE PROPERTY SORRY, HAS RECEIVED A HISTORIC MARKER DESIGNATION. WHICH THEY JUST RECEIVED A FEW SECONDS AGO. HMM AND THEN A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $10,000 AND BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS OF FOR THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED WITHIN AT LEAST THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS. AND SO, AS YOU HEARD, ANDREW DISCUSS, UM THEY HAVE DONE WORK THAT IS TOTALED OVER 10,000. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED ON YOUR CUSTOM WINDOWS MATCHING HISTORIC PROFILE. THERE WAS GUTTERS, REMOVAL OF VINYL SIDING, INSULATION PAINTING. FLASHING REFRAMING SKIRTING AS WELL AS SOME SAFETY GLASS AND A BACK PATIO REHABILITATION. AND IN YOUR PACKET. IT ALSO GOES OVER MORE OF THIS IN MUCH MORE DETAIL. BYE. AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS AND FOUND A REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND FOUND THAT IT DOES MEET THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR LEVEL ONE TAX INCENTIVE, AND THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WOULD YOU ALL ANDY? WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND ADD ANYTHING? OR ANY THOUGHTS ON THE PROGRAM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, DO YOU? IT'S UP TO YOU WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. I WISH IT ONLY COSTS $10,000 . THAT'S SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN. I THINK ONE OF THOSE ITEMS, UM AH, MAYBE CAULKING. BUT I DON'T. I DON'T MEAN TO BE JOCULAR ABOUT BUT WE WHEN WE STARTED THIS, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING TO END AND THANK GOD IT DID. THAT'S ALL.OKAY ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE NEED A MOTION FOR THE THIS IS A LEVEL ONE HISTORIC MARKER H N I Z
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PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MOVED MR PENCE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR WEST ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS OKAY . ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE, OR RAISE YOUR HAND OPPOSED OKAY? UNANIMOUSLY PASSED. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I HAVE I HAVE SEEM WATCH THIS HOUSE A LONG TIME.AND YOU'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB. APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. THAT'S THAT'S WONDERFUL. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH OKAY. FANTASTIC OKAY, ALRIGHT. FIRST, NIELSEN WAS. YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE THAT HORACE ANDY WILSON IS REMEMBERED IN MCKINNEY. HE WAS CITIZEN OF THE YEAR IN 1951. HE HAD AN OUTSTANDING RECORD OF PUBLIC SERVICE. UM AND HE ALSO, UM WAS THAT ONE OF THE FOUNDING FORCES OF THE USO HERE IN WORLD WAR TWO AND. HE ESTABLISHED A PHILANTHROPIC, UH, PROFILE. I GUESS YOU CALL IT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, BUT ROLLED AWAY, WHICH HE WAS AHEAD OF ROTARY FOR A WHILE. UM SEVERAL TIMES, ACTUALLY, UM, THEY ESTABLISHED A SCHOLARSHIP. FOR STUDENTS IN MCKINNEY TO GO TO COLLEGE, AND I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT THAT'S STILL FUNDED. BUT HE CERTAINLY GAVE A LOT TO THE CITY MCKINNEY AND HE DESERVES SOME KIND OF A MONUMENT AND WE'RE WE'RE WE FEEL PRIVILEGED TO LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT HE LIVED IN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER HP 2022-0091.
[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by Teri Mills-Manuel for Approval of a Historic Marker for the Property Located at 418 W Virginia Street]
CONSIDER DISCUSSED ACT ON THE REQUEST BY TERRY MILLS MANUAL FOR APPROVAL OF A HISTORIC MARKER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 18, WEST VIRGINIA STREET AND CASSIE WILL MAKE THAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. OF COURSE, SO THIS IS FOR 4 18, WEST VIRGINIA ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, ONE OF THE OWNERS PRESENT TONIGHT. AND THIS IS FOR THE W. W. PRUITT HOUSE. SO THE W W PRINT HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED, CIRCA 1913, ALSO IN AN AMERICAN FOURSQUARE STYLE. HOLMES WOULD FRAME ON PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION WITH WOOD CLADDING, AND THERE'S A SINGLE FRONT DORMER WITH A HIPPED ROOF AND A FULL LENGTH PORCH WITH TUSCAN COLUMNS. AND THEN JUST SUMMARIZING SOME OF THE HISTORY OVER THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. BY 19. OH TWO. THERE WAS A HOME IN THE LOT. AT THAT TIME IT WAS OWNED BY BROTHERS HARRY AND CLARENCE SMITH. WHO MANAGED THE SMITH DRUGSTORE. THEY WERE FORCED TO DECLARE BANKRUPTCY. BUT WE'RE ABLE TO SELL OFF SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY. THIS PARTICULAR PIECE WAS SOLD TO HARRY'S WIFE'S BROTHERS. ONE WAS THE DEPARTMENT STORE OWNER JAMES MERRITT AND THEN THE COUNTY JUDGE, ROBERT MERRITT. THEN THEY SOLD THIS TRACK TO ATTORNEY WILLIAM R. ABERNATHY AND HIS BROTHER IN LAW, KATIE THOMPSON, IN 1912.SHORTLY AFTER THEIR PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY. THEY DEMOLISHED THE EXISTING HOME AND BUILT THE HOME THAT STANDS TODAY. IN THAT HOME WAS SOLD TO LONGTIME OWNER WILLIAM PRUITT IN 1919. IT WAS A SUCCESSFUL DEALER AND MAKER OF FUNERAL MONUMENTS. HE AND HIS FAMILY LIVED HERE UNTIL 1926, AT WHICH POINT THE HOME BECAME A RENTAL AGAIN UNTIL 1936. IN 1936. TRAGICALLY HIS HOME ON NORTH WATER WILL ACTUALLY BURNED DOWN, WHICH IS WHAT BROUGHT HIM BACK TO HIS HOUSE ON FOR 18.
WEST VIRGINIA. ONLY FOUR YEARS LATER IN 1940. HE PASSED AWAY. HIS WIDOW ITEM MAY CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE HOME UNTIL HER DEATH IN JUNE OF 1969. AT THE TIME OF HIS PASSING. HE HAD MANAGED HIS BUSINESS FOR 29 YEARS THAN FOLLOWING HIS DEATH ITEM MAY BECAME THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS, AND THEIR SON, CARLOS MANAGED THE BUSINESS. IT DIDN'T CLOSE UNTIL 1951 AFTER 40 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS BUSINESS. THE HOMELESS LIST IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY BUILDING IN THE 2015 UPDATE ON THE HISTORIC RACES RESOURCES SURVEY AND CONTAINED RETAINS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF
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ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER AND CONTEXTUAL INTEGRITY. THIS HOME HAS EXPERIENCED SOME ALTERATIONS OVER ITS HISTORY SOMETIME IN THE 19 TWENTIES. A REAR PORCH WAS ADDED IN 2020. THERE WAS A PROJECT WHICH INCLUDED IN ADDITION TO THE REAR, THAT ATTITUDE, BEDROOMS, A BATHROOM AND A WALK IN CLOSET. RELOCATION OF THE FRONT DORMER TO MAKE IT CENTER WHO WAS PREVIOUSLY OFF CENTER TO THE RIGHT. FRONT PORCH RESTORATION. WINDOWS RESTORED. CITING MAINTENANCE AND A PERIOD APPROPRIATE FRONT DOOR INSTALLED. THEN LAST YEAR, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT. UM, WHICH WAS AN ADDITION. 1081 SQUARE FEET. IT'S CONNECTED TO THE RESIDENTS. THE, UH, THE EXISTING GARAGE IN A NEW BREEZEWAY. AND THEN THESE ARE JUST SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF THAT BREEZEWAY CONNECTION TO THE ADDITION. AND THEN STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNER AND FOUND THAT IT MEETS THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE H AND C PROGRAM FOR A HISTORIC MARKER. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. OKAY I THINK THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND WE WON WOULD. YEAH WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND. IF YOU DON'T MIND. JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME UP. LINDY MANUAL 14, WEST VIRGINIA.I GREW UP IN A LITTLE FARM. AREA IN ILLINOIS. HOUSE BUILT IN THE 18 HUNDREDS, AND WHEN I GREW UP, IT WAS IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, SO WOULDN'T ALL THAT OLD BUT MY PARENTS ON THAT HOME FOR 57 YEARS UNTIL MY DAD'S PASSING. UM I LIKE OLD HOUSES. IT JUST FEELS GOOD. WE WERE IN STONEBRIDGE, BOTH OF US. FROM THE MID NINETIES ON AND THAT WAS OKAY. IT'S A GREAT PLACE STORIES, KIDS, BUT AS SOON AS THEY ALL LEFT THE HOUSE, WE MOVED DOWN HERE. WE DIDN'T TELL THEM WHERE WE WENT FOR BOYS. BUT ACTUALLY TO 409. AND WHEN THE GENTLEMAN WHO ON THIS TAM HAD HAD PASSED AWAY AND THE RESTORATION BEGIN, WE'VE HAD OUR EYE ON IT THE WHOLE TIME. SO WE MADE A MOVE AND GUARD IT. AND HAVE DONE EVERYTHING DURING THE RESTORATION, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T PERSONALLY ON IT TO KEEP THE OLD FIREPLACE. WE PAID EXTRA MONEY. THE ORIGINAL MANTLE. IS THERE? IT WAS IN THE TRASH WHEN WE WENT OVER, BUT WE GOT IT. I JUST LIKE IT. I MEAN, I GREW UP THAT WAY. MY MOTHER GREW UP IN AN OLD BRICK HOME. THAT WAS 100 YEARS OLD. WHEN SHE GREW UP.
IT'S STILL THERE. SO IT JUST FEELS GOOD. WE LIKE IT. WE ENJOY IT. MY WIFE SAYS WE'RE NEVER MOVING AGAIN. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THERE WE ARE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME. I'LL HAVE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB. COUPLE PAYCHECKS , WE DO A LITTLE MORE DOING THE FRONT IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THIS WEEK, LITERALLY, THE FRONT OBVIOUSLY NEEDED SOME LANDSCAPING, BUT WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH SO EVERY EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS. WE KEEP DOING MORE. I'M LIKE ANDREW SHOULD IT ONLY COST 10,000 WOULD BE WONDERFUL. BUT WE DON'T MIND AND IT'S ON THE CALENDAR, TOO, ISN'T IT? IS IT ANOTHER ONE WAS ON THE CALENDAR BECAUSE MY WIFE LOVES TO GARDEN FLOWERS. IF YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT 409 LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BROWN WHEN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, ALMOST FLOWERS ARE PHENOMENAL AND GIVE HER ABOUT. A YEAR HERE, AND THAT FRONT IS GOING TO BE JUST LIKE IT. SHE WANTS TO COME OVER AND DO SOME GARDENERS MORE THAN WELCOME CAN BE BOUGHT. USUALLY USUALLY THERE'S SOMETHING INVOLVED. OKAY ALRIGHT, WELL, GOOD JOB. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM OKAY. DO I HAVE EMOTION ? UM NOW THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF HISTORIC MARKER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED FOR 18 WEST VIRGINIA STREET. HAVE EMOTION. SOMEONE APPROVAL MISS FRIEDL TO HAVE A SECOND. ONE SECOND. CHANGE ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND PROPOSED. OKAY UNANIMOUSLY PASSED. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU'VE DONE AND, UH, GLAD TO HAVE YOU IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO OKAY. ITEM
[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Teri Mills-Manuel for a Level 1 (Historic Marker) Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption for the Property at 418 W. Virginia Street]
NUMBER H TWO. HP 20 TO 20092 CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE FOR THEM. DON'T WE? ON A REQUEST BY TERRY MILLS MANUAL FOR LEVEL ONE HISTORIC MARKER. HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD[00:50:05]
IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE PROPERTY AT 4 18 WEST VIRGINIA STREET, CASSIE.IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HIV. YOU OKAY? SO AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE H AND C APPLICATION FOR A LEVEL ONE HISTORIC MARKER TAX EXEMPTION FOR 4 18, WEST VIRGINIA. SO AGAIN, THE CRITERIA IS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE RECEIVED HISTORIC MARKER DESIGNATION, WHICH THEY'VE JUST RECEIVED AND THEN A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF 10,000 BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN AT LEAST THE LAST THREE YEARS. SO YOU'VE SEEN IN THE STAFF REPORT, AS WELL AS THE APPLICATION HAS THE DETAILED INVOICES OF THE WORK. WHICH TOTAL OVER 12,000. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED PAINT INSULATION, H VAC PORCH AND CHIMNEY REPAIRS. SO STAFF IS WE HAVE REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND FOUND THAT IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM FOR LEVEL ONE INCENTIVE. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. OKAY? YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? OKAY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, OKAY. OKAY? DO WE DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVAL. OKAY. OKAY. WE SAY THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A SECOND? 2ND 2ND BY MR PANTS, OK, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY CAST YOUR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND OPPOSED. OKAY GOOD TO GO. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. OKAY NOW WE'RE
[HPAB Training 2022]
GONNA MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS POLLEN. ASTA WILL DISCUSS OPERATIONS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. AND UPDATES ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAMS WITHIN THE CITY. HEY, GOOD EVENING. PAULA NAFTA PLANNING MANAGER CITY OF MCKINNEY. OKAY SO WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER EXACTLY WHAT BETTY SAID THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD UPDATE AND UPDATE ON PROGRAMS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM. YOU ALL HAVE A NOTEBOOK IN FRONT OF YOU . THAT IS KIND OF A SUMMARY OF THIS HAS A SUMMARY OF THIS INCLUDED IN THE BACK OF IT, SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE NOTES ON IT AS WE GO ALONG, FEEL FREE. OKAY SO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MISSION AND ROLE OF THE HP BOARD. THE PERTINENT ORDINANCES , CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS RECOGNITION AND EDUCATION AND PRESERVATION INCENTIVES. OKAY SO THE BOARD'S MISSION AS ESTABLISHED IN 2001 WAS TO MAINTAIN MCKINNEY'S DIVERSE ARCHITECTURAL LEGACY ENRICHED THE CULTURAL IDENTITY OF THE COMMUNITY AND STRENGTHEN ECONOMIC VALUE THROUGH PRESERVATION AND EDUCATION FOR FUTURE AND EXCUSE ME PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. PAULA CAN I ASK YOU? I MEAN, CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS? WOULD YOU RATHER ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO? OR YOU CAN I WANTED TO ASK STOP YOU WITH OUR MISSION STATEMENT AND JUST ASK YOU. THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, UM THAT I'M ONLY THINKING ABOUT, BUT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO CHANGE? THAT MISSION STATEMENT.I LOOK AT THIS MISSION STATEMENT AND IT'S SO VAGUE AND I'M NOT REAL. WHEN I SAID WHEN I THINK ABOUT MY PURPOSE ON THIS BOARD. I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT I'M DOING WHAT THIS MISSION STATEMENT SAYS. I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING SO WHAT? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO? UM I DON'T KNOW. AND MAYBE I'M NOT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS THAT WAY. I THINK WE CAN COME BACK TO IT.
YEP. I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD BRING IT. WE WOULD HAVE IT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM ON ANOTHER AGENDA. OKAY MAYBE AFTER TODAY AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME OF THIS AND TALKED ABOUT THIS STUFF AGAIN THAT MAY HELP GET US KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THAT OVER THE COURSE OF TIME.
KIND OF REVISIT THAT OKAY? AND THEN COME BACK. THAT STATEMENT. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY GO BACK ? SORRY I JUST WANT THE REASON AGAIN. YEAH QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE STRUCTURE. SO IS YOUR PRESENTATION KIND OF GOING ALONG WITH WHAT'S IN OUR BOOK. IT WILL KIND OF GO ALONG. UM, IT WILL KIND OF GO ALONG WITH WHAT'S IN YOUR BOOK. THERE IS A TABLE OF CONTENTS IN YOUR NOTEBOOK, BUT IT EVERYTHING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS IN THERE. WE JUST WON'T HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
EXACTLY BECAUSE I GIVE YOU 13 PAGES. GOTCHA I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR THE MISSION STATEMENT IN THERE. THAT ONE IS NOT ACTUALLY, THE PRESENTATION IS IN THE BACK SO VERY, THE VERY BACK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. RECENTLY TRAINED. YEAH YES, LITTLE DAY JOB HERE TONIGHT. OKAY? UM SO
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HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN MCKINNEY, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE DATE MISSING FROM HERE BECAUSE IN 1983, THE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS PUT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, BUT IT WAS 1988 THAT IT WAS GIVEN A KIND OF ZONING DESIGNATION, SO THE 83 DATE IS MISSING. 89 IS WHEN WE GOT THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR THE CITY. THAT'S THE KIND OF TREE SHAPE THAT YOU SEE THERE. WE HAVE REGULATORY CONTROL OVER THAT AREA THROUGH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND THAT PROCESS IS REGULATED THROUGH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PROCESS. THERE ARE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES ASSOCIATED WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAMS. THEY INCLUDE THE TOURS ONE DISTRICT WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT EACH OF THESE COMING UP. THE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM THAT YOU JUST WORKED ON A FEW MINUTES AGO HERE. ANY ANY EASY OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE WAIVER PROGRAM AGAIN. WE'LL KIND OF DIVE INTO THOSE LATER. AND THEN OUR EDUCATION AND OUTREACH PROGRAMS THAT HISTORIC MARKERS AGAIN WHAT WE JUST DID THE HOME RECOGNITION PROGRAM THAT'S USUALLY COMES THROUGH WITH THE CALENDAR ARE WALKING AND VIRTUAL TOURS AND COMMUNITY AND STAFF OUTREACH. AND AGAIN, WE'LL KIND OF TOUCH ON ALL OF THESE AS WE GO THROUGH. SO PROMOTING PRESERVATION. THE HP ABE HAS SEVERAL DIFFERENT ROLES THEY ARE OUTLINED IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION H ADVISORY BOARD. UH ORDINANCE ITEM AS 10 OR 11 DIFFERENT FACTORS THERE, BUT WE HAVEN'T BROKEN OUT HERE INTO THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. SO HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ROLE IN PROMOTING PRESERVATION IS THAT RECOMMENDATION OF LANDMARKS AND CRITERIA FOR IDENTIFYING THEM RECOMMENDING RECOGNITION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES VIA MARKERS , PLAQUES CERTIFICATES THAT THERE'S VENUES. INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF PROGRAMS BY SUPPORTING THE STAFF PROGRAMS. UM, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL ON THE USE OF FUNDS TO PROMOTE PRESERVATION AND RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION OF ACQUISITION OF LANDMARKS STRUCTURES BY THE CITY FOR PRESERVATION. SO THOSE ARE SOME OPTIONS. AND THEN, FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE AGAIN, WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT HERE TONIGHT WITH THE APPROVAL OF HISTORIC MARKERS AND HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE TAX EXEMPTION ITEMS. THERE IS ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY FROM TIME TO TIME TO REVIEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS STAFF FIELD PASSES THEM ALONG FORWARD AND AS YOU HEARD IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETINGS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WILL ALSO BE BRINGING DEMOLITION APPLICATIONS TO YOU THAT ARE IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, NOT THE CITY, THE DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL SECTION, BUT THE OTHER SECTIONS. CAN I, UM, ASK YOU TO PAUSE JUST FOR A MINUTE, ONE SLIDE SLIDES TO THAT ONE. AND SO THE RECOMMEND ACQUISITION OF LANDMARK STRUCTURES BY CITY PRESERVATION THAT THAT WAS A TOPIC THAT KIND OF CAME UP. AND, UM, I THINK SOME OF US JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING IS ABOARD. WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR US TO DO THAT? SO WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE COME UP. IN DECADES. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A SO BASICALLY, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IS WE'D HAVE TO PUT IT ON AN AGENDA ITEM AT SOME POINT, UM AND THEN HAVE A VOTE ON IT AT THAT POINT AND THEN BE ABLE TO TAKE IT ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL FROM THERE SO WE WOULD BRING IT UP LIKE AT THE END OF ONE OF OUR MEETINGS. TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA ITEM FOR ANOTHER MEETING, AND THEN WE COULD DISCUSS IT AND MOVE ON FROM THERE. YEAH. YEP SO OKAY. JOHANNA, UH, BROUGHT UP ONE.LAST MEETING. THAT. IS THAT WHAT THIS APPLIES TO SO IT COULD. I MEAN, IF IT WAS FOR A CITY PERCH IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT OUR CITY PURCHASE, THE PROPERTY SHE BROUGHT UP BEFORE WAS THE I'M GONNA GET THE ADDRESS WRONG. 903 PARKER. THE OLD KILPATRICK FARM ACTUALLY LIES IN OUR HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT ALREADY. SO THAT'S ALREADY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. IT ALREADY HAS SEVERAL DESIGNATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT , SO THERE'S NOTHING MORE THAT WE OKAY NOW THAT ONES THAT ONES BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IT IN OUR HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT ALREADY, UM, AND IT'S ALREADY REGISTERED WITH THE STATE AS A RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK , AND IT'S ALREADY LISTED AS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, LISTENING THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY SO FAR AS IT'S REGISTERED BY THE STATE AND ITS REGISTERED BY THE NATIONAL HISTORIC YES, THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES , THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES OF HISTORIC PLACES. EXCUSE ME, IS THE NATIONAL REGISTER THAT, UM, WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 1966, AND IT IS A MECHANISM FOR DENOTING HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHAT IT PROTECTS PEOPLE FROM PROPERTIES FROM IS FROM FEDERAL FUNDS BEING USED TO
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NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE PROPERTY FUNDS ARE BEING USED, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. BUT IF IT'S IT DOESN'T USUALLY HAVE ANY LOCAL IMPACT OTHER THAN A DESIGNATION. THE RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK HAS SOME OVERSIGHT FROM THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION WITH THAT, AND SO THEY WOULD DO A REVIEW OF POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE SEVERAL PROPERTIES IN TOWN THAT HAVE THLS OKAY, SO IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT IT AS FAR LIKE IF A DEVELOPER COMES PURCHASES A PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE THAT. THERE'S NO PROTECTION THERE IS THAT IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM AND TO REQUEST TO REQUEST ANY CHANGES TO WHAT THEY KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE SO AS FAR AS THE HOUSE ITSELF, NOT NECESSARILY THE PROPERTY HAS BUT YOU KNOW, PERHAPS PERHAPS THERE'S A SOMETHING TO BE LEARNED FROM EXPERIENCES IN OTHER CITIES. IN THIS REGARD. AS PART OF. MY DUTIES IN THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. I ENCOUNTERED HISTORIC TOWN THAT HAD BEEN COMPLETELY REMOVED IN THE NAME OF URBAN RENEWAL. VICKSBURG MISSISSIPPI WAS COMPLETELY WIPED OFF THE MAP, SOMETHING THE WAR NEVER HAPPENED TO CREATE WAS A TOTAL VOID WHERE IT WAS CLEARED FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH NEVER OCCURRED. THESE KINDS OF THINGS BECAME A STIGMA BECAUSE THINGS WERE TORN OUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE TORN OUT, AND IT WAS A BAD DECISION. AND IT ONLY SHOWS ITSELF AFTER YEARS AND YEARS OF DORMANT IN ACTIVITY AND VACANT SPACE. SO THIS IS A LESSON WELL LEARNED, AND THAT WAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WERE THE REASON THAT THE 1966 ORDINANCE WAS EXCUSE ME 1966 NATIONAL PROGRAMS. DAMAGE WAS DONE IN THE FIFTIES. SOMEBODY WE CAUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT AT THAT TIME. UM MY POINT IN ASKING. THE QUESTION WAS, IF WE SO IF IT'S IN THE ZONE MHM. IT'S ARE YOU SAYING IT'S PROTECTED JUST BY BEING IN THE ZONE OR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BY THAT, BY BEING IN THE ZONE, IT HAS TO UNDERGO THE SAME CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE PROCESS THAT APPROPRIATENESS PROCESS THAT ALL OTHER HOUSES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN LIKE THAT. WE JUST APPROVED. THAT WAS THE THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT EXCUSE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE. AND SO THAT'S AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM. TO BE ABLE TO GIVE PEOPLE INCENTIVE TO RENOVATE THEIR HOMES TO HISTORIC STANDARDS. THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE IS COME BEFORE US BEFORE IS TO MONITOR AND, UH MONITOR AND KIND OF GUIDE THE MODIFICATION, ALTERATION, MOVING RELOCATION DEMOLITION OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SO THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE DEMOLISHING IT OR MODIFY IT OR ALTER IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHETHER THE SECRETARY STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. OKAY SO IF THEY'RE IN THE ZONE, AND THEY THEN THEY WOULD APPLY FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. YES AND THEN NOW, MY SEEING THAT FURTHER ON DOWN. YES, IT'S FARTHER DOWN THAT WE APPROVE IN FROM NOW ON, OR ARE WE JUST NECESSARY CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS ARE STILL APPROVED BY STAFF. OKAY AND WHAT AND AGAIN WE CAN BY BY CITY STAFF BY OUR OFFICE. UM AND THEN , UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS IF THERE'S A DEMOLITION REQUEST FOR PROPERTIES IN, UM IN THIS IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, THEN WE WILL BRING THOSE TO THE BOARD. RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE THE OPTION OF BRINGING THEM TO THE BORDER OR PROVING THEM THAT WILL BE WILL BE BRINGING THE LAST CITY COUNCIL. MEETING A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO. I THINK IT WAS IT. THEY TALKED ABOUT A TEMPORARY CHANGE. AND IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, Y'ALL ARE LOOKING INTO WHAT OTHER CITIES DO. WHAT WORKS WHAT DOESN'T WORK AND SO UNTIL THEY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THEN I THINK THAT IT COMES TO US, BUT IT'S NOT THE DOWNTOWN AREA. IT IS JUST THE HISTORIC CORRECT. SO IT'S JUST LET ME GO BACK HERE.IT'S JUST THE BIG BROWN SECTION OF THE TREE, NOT THE BLUE SECTION. THE BLUE SECTION IS THE SQUARE. BASICALLY BASICALLY IN OUR MISSION STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORIC ONE. SO IF IT'S IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, THEN THERE'S REALLY NOTHING MORE THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROTECTED BECAUSE THE CEO A CEO, A WILL PROTECT IT. SO IF WE THAT'S THE LIMIT OF THE PROTECTION THAT WE HAVE UNDER OR THE ORDINANCES RIGHT NOW, SO AS PART OF OUR MISSION STATEMENT, SO I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO SAY THERE'S NO POINT BUT ONCE IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT WE SHOULDN'T THEY'RE THEY'RE ALREADY PROTECTED ENOUGH AND THEN SO IF WE WERE TO ONLY RECOMMEND I MEAN, SURE WE WANT IT WOULD ONLY BE OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY. GOING BACK TO THAT BULLET. JOANNA WAS IDENTIFIED. THE LAST LIST. LET
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ME GET HOLD ON. LET ME GET TO WHICH SLIDE HERE, THIS ONE, THE LAST RECOMMEND ACQUISITION OF LANDMARK STRUCTURES BY CITY FOR PRESERVATION. THAT JOB THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IS LOOKING FOR STRUCTURES OUTSIDE OF THE TREE. WELL SO BE INCLUDED INTO THE TREE SO THAT ONE SAYS ACQUISITION, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WOULD BE YOU RECOMMENDING FOR THE CITY TO BUY SOMETHING, OKAY , SO THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THAN THE SEAWAY PROCESS BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE CITY TO SPEND MONEY TO BUY SOMETHING, BUT I THINK THE ONE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THE FIRST ONE IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? RECOMMEND LANDMARKS AND CRITERIA FOR IDENTIFYING LANDMARKS IS THAT THE ONE PAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A LIST. AND SO, UM, AND WE WERE UM, ENCOURAGED AS A BOARD THAT WE SHOULD COME UP WITH A LIST IF THERE ARE PLACES THAT BY THE BY THE CITY COUNCIL BY THE MAYOR, IF THERE ARE PLACES WE WANT PRESERVED BECAUSE IT ALL STARTED WITH THE SPACE HOUSE, OKAY, AND THE YOU KNOW, THE STATEMENT FROM THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, WHICH I UNDERSTAND TOTALLY WAS. WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF THINGS YOU THINK ARE IMPORTANT. AND SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD THAT HE BROUGHT THAT UP. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT. AND SO IF WE THINK CERTAIN BUILDINGS SO I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT IS WITHIN OUR LOCUS OF CONTROL. AND HOW DO WE GO ABOUT IF WE DO FIND THINGS THAT NEED PRESERVING WHAT IS THE PROCESS? I THINK WE NEED A PROCESS RIGHT? AND WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH PROCESS THE PROCESS. WHAT PROCESSES THERE SHOULD BE NO, AND THAT IS PART OF WHAT BETTY WAS MENTIONING WHERE WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING. WHAT, WHAT OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES DO THE WORK SO THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT AND THEN GO BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND THEN COME BACK AND WE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WE NOT US OR SWEET SWEET. WHEN WE GET THROUGH IT AND COUNTER GETS THERE. IT WILL BE BACK. I DON'T WANT US TO DROP THE BALL AND I WANT US TO BE ENGAGED, ACTIVE BOARD. AND WE WANT TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF ALL OF MCKINNEY BECAUSE ALL MCKINNEY MCKINNEY LOVES THE HISTORIC AREA AND IT'S PART OF OUR ALL OF OUR CULTURE. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ENGAGED AND WE KNOW WHAT EXACTLY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING RIGHT? AND LIKE I SAID, YEAH, SO WE'RE WORKING ON IT. IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO FEED INTO THAT PROCESS OR TO GIVE FEEDBACK INTO IT OR YOU KNOW, IS THERE TO HOLD OFF ON THAT? WHILE I LISTENED TO JAMES AND PROCESS IT A LITTLE, SO WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT OFTENTIMES. FOR NEGLECT OR LACK OF INFORMATION. THINGS HAPPEN THAT MAYBE WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF WE WERE MORE INVOLVED, AND I BRING TO MIND THAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO THIS TIME WHEN WE'RE LESS SENSITIVE TO THE PRODUCTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. THIS HOUSE IS IN THE CALENDAR RIGHT NOW. THIS HOUSE WAS SCHEDULED FOR DEMOLITION BY THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. FORTUNATELY, CLIENT PURCHASED IT. HE SAW THE ABILITY OF THIS HOUSE TO BE RESCUED AND WE HELP THEM DO THAT. AND SO I'M THINKING THIS DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN UNLESS WE'RE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT SUPPOSEDLY MARGINAL PROPERTIES CAN IN FACT BE IMPROVED. AND IT BRINGS ME TO THE POINT OF DEMOLITION. AND THE WISH THAT BEFORE DEMOLITION OCCURS THAT WE AS A BOARD COULD REVIEW THOSE THINGS TO ADD. SOME STARTS TO THE BACKBONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT OWN IT, IF NECESSARY, BUT AT LEAST INFORMED THEM OF THE POTENTIAL IS THERE RIGHT? AND THAT'S AN YES AND SO THAT KIND OF GETS TO WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU IS PART OF THAT IS HELPING THE COMMUNITY BE AWARE OF THE PROGRAMS WE HAVE. TO SAVE THE HOUSES, RIGHT. SO IN IN LIKE WE SAW TODAY, RIGHT? THERE WAS THE ISSUE WITH THE 45 14 HUNT HOUSE WHERE THEY HAD THE VINYL SIDING THAT HAD BROUGHT IT AWAY DECIDING UNDERNEATH RIGHT SO BY USING THE AGENT IDEAS, AN INCENTIVE THERE HELPS KEEP THAT PROJECT ALIVE AND VIABLE RIGHT, SO THAT HELPS THAT'S AN INCENTIVE TO GET THAT PROCESS MOVING. AND SO BY HELPING SPREAD THE INFORMATION OF WHAT THE PROGRAMS ARE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THROUGH OUR THROUGH THE CITY THAT HELPS THE NEIGHBORS BE AWARE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE TO HELP THEM RIGHT. SO IT'S GOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS ARE NOT OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT THAT THE CITY AT LARGE IS AWARE OF WHAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PROCESS IS AND WHY IT'S THERE. YOU KNOW THAT IT'S THERE TO PROTECT THAT COMMUNITY AND THE HOUSES THEMSELVES AND KEEP THEM THERE.AND THE AGENT IS THERE FOR THAT. SAME REASON TO HELP US, UM YOU KNOW, HELP GIVE INCENTIVES TO THE OWNER. WHEN WE WORK WHEN WE GET A C O A. WE WORK WITH THE OWNERS. WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED PRE APPLICATION MEETINGS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH MEET WITH THE OWNERS AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS SO THAT WE GET MORE POSITIVE SOLUTIONS LIKE THE DAVIS STREET HOUSE THAT JAMES
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WAS TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF HOUSES OVER THE DECADES, ALMOST SAID CENTURIES AND IT HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG. IN THE DECADES THAT WE'VE HAD THE HISTORIC, UM DISTRICT THAT YOU KNOW, HAVE HAVE GONE COME AND GONE, AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO KEEP THEM HERE. SO UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. SO PAULA, NOT NOT THE HIJACKER DERAILED, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME? IS THERE A SET PROCESS BY WHICH WE DETERMINE WHAT A REASONABLE RIGHT OF RETURN IS SD WE'LL CATCH UP TO IT. AND IN A FEW MINUTES WHEN WE GET THREE, UM I'LL GET THERE. OKAY, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE. THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.SO THIS IS THAT SUMMARY FROM THE ORDINANCE SECTION OF WHAT YOUR ROLES AND DUTIES ARE. THIS IS THE KIND OF LONG LIST RATHER THAN THE BROKEN UP VERSION THAT YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS TWO SLIDES SO YOU CAN SEE THE THINGS I LEFT OFFER ADOPT MEETING RULES IN MINUTES BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WE DO THAT. OKAY THESE ARE THE LIST OF PRESERVATION ORDINANCES WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY. SO THERE'S THE ONE THAT TELLS THE BOARD WHAT THEIR ROLES AND DUTIES ARE. THERE'S THE DEFINITION AND REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY. AND THERE'S THE REGULATION FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY COMMERCIAL. HISTORIC BEING THE DOWNTOWN BLUE SECTION ON THE MAP AND THE OVERLAY BEING THE BROWN SECTION OF THE MAP. THERE'S THE ORDINANCE THAT REGULATES AND DEFINES WHAT THE HBO DOES. PRESERVATION OFFICER DOES, AND THERE'S THE ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC LANDMARKS AND DISTRICTS. OKAY? SO ON THE, UM GOING BACK A COUPLE SLIDES. HP A B POWERS AND DUTIES. I WENT TOO FAR. I GOT AHEAD OF THE SLIDES. OKAY? THERE WE GO. NUMBER THREE. THIS IS THIS IS US CONDUCT SURVEYS AND MAINTAINING INVENTORY. OF SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL, CULTURAL LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC HOMES DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CITY. SO THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. YES THEY DO HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT. I WILL SAY THAT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, WE JUST GOT APPROVED MONEY. TO HIRE A FIRM, AN OUTSIDE CONSULTING FIRM TO DO AND A NEW HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. AND SO WHEN THAT COMES AROUND IN THE SPRING, AND WE START DOING THAT, THEN THEY WILL BE COMING TO THE BOARD AND ASKING FOR INPUT AND HELP WITH THAT, AS WELL. THEY'LL BE THEY'LL BE SERVING THE COMMUNITY. WITH THAT, AND SO THAT ALLOWS US TO USE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ALL THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND DO AND CONDUCT THAT SURVEY SO THEY WILL BE LOOKING TO US TO IDENTIFY AND, UH CREATED INVENTORY OF THEY'LL CREATE THE INVENTORY. SO WHEN THEY DO THOSE SURVEYS, UM THEY WILL. HISTORIC SURVEYS GENERALLY INCLUDE TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALL THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SPECIFIED AREA OF THE PROJECT LIMITS. DOING UM, A LIMITED AMOUNT OF RESEARCH ABOUT THE AGE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE STYLE OF THE PROPERTY AND WHO LIVED THERE AND THEN YOU KNOW, KIND OF DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE. HOW MUCH HOW DEEP THEY GO INTO EACH PROJECT AND WHATNOT. BUT THEY TYPICALLY WHEN THOSE SURVEYS ARE CONDUCTED, WE ASKED FOR INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AS TWO PROPERTIES THAT YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT PROPERTIES SHOULD BE IN THE SURVEY. WHAT PROPERTIES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED? HEY WE KNOW YOU KNOW, YOU MAY LOOK AT THIS HOUSE AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT HAS ANYTHING OR YOU CAN'T FIND ANYTHING BUT WE THAT GREAT STORIES ON GREAT HISTORIES OF WHAT THAT IS BY TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THOSE ARE ALL ASPECTS THERE. SO WHAT WOULD BE SINCE THIS IS UNDER OUR POWERS AND DUTIES? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HAVING A COMPANY COME IN AND DO IT. WHAT? WHAT WOULD BE OUR PART IN THAT? CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONTRIBUTING TO THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE AND THEY WOULD PRESENT IT TO US WAS THAT THE LAST SURVEY WAS IN THE EIGHTIES IS THAT THE ORIGINAL SURVEY WAS IN STARTED IN ABOUT 1983 AND DID THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THEN WE DID ANOTHER ONE THERE AFTER THAT WENT FROM LIKE 85 TO 87 THAT GAVE US THE DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE NOW THAN WE DID AN UPDATE TO THAT SURVEY, WHERE REPEAT AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT IN 2005 ISH 2006. TO DO AN UPDATED SURVEY THEN AND THEN IN 2015. WE DID AN IN HEALTH SURVEY WHERE STAFF DID THE SURVEY TO UPDATE THE AREA AND THOSE TWO SURVEYS. 2005 AND 2015 ONLY LOOKED AT THE TREE. THEY DIDN'T DIDN'T GO OUT FROM THAT, WHEREAS THE PREVIOUS SURVEY WENT KIND OF IN A BROADER SCOPE AND THEN IDENTIFIED THE TREE FROM THAT POINT. AND DOES THAT SURVEY DOES THAT? IS THAT WHERE YOU GET THE FIRST? THE FIRST PRIORITY? SECOND IS THAT THAT COMES FROM YEP, THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM. AND SO THERE WILL BE YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE TIMES WHERE WE'LL HAVE
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INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT? YOU KNOW THE NOTION THAT THE SURVEY WILL JUST BE LIMITED TO THE TREE. NO SO WE'RE GONNA GO OUTSIDE. THAT'S OUR PLAN IS TO GO LARGER BRINGS UP A POINT BECAUSE I RECALL WHEN IT WAS FIRST BEGUN. WE LITERALLY SAT AND DREW THE BOUNDARIES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SOME KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WAS HERE. MHM CONTAINMENT IF YOU WILL. KNOWING THAT WE HAVE EXCLUDED SOME AREAS BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SEEM TENABLE AT THE TIME TO ADD THEM. SO IT COMES TO OUR POINT OF VIEW, PERHAPS THAT WE MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN SEEING THE SCOPE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ENLARGED AND TO INCLUDE PROPERTIES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED AND TO SEE THINGS THAT ARE AT RISK COME TO A PROTECTED SITUATION. WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A BIGGER AREA TO SURVEY TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PREVIOUS ONE. WHEN THEY DID THAT SURVEY IN 83. THEY LOOKED AT A LARGE SWATH OF LAND FROM FROM THE AIRPORT OVER AND SOME PLACES LITTLE FEW PLACES KIND OF OUTLIERS FROM THERE, BUT YOU KNOW IT WAS IT WAS COLD DOWN. PART OF THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE HISTORIC THAT ONE OF THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR BEING HISTORIC IS THAT A PROPERTY HAS TO BE 50 YEARS OLD. AND SO YOU KNOW, IN 1985, THERE WERE 50 YEARS WAS 1935, RIGHT. AND SO THERE WAS A HUGE SWATH OF PROPERTIES THAT DIDN'T COUNT. AT THAT POINT, WHEREAS NOW WE'RE UP TO 1972. SO NEXT YEAR WHEN WE DO IT'S 1973. AND SO NOW WE HAVE A MUCH LARGER SWATH OF PROPERTIES THERE THAT FIT INTO THAT BUBBLE WITHIN OUR KIND OF IMMEDIATE SO IMPORTANT. YEAH THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY. IT'S FAR AS EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES WELL, AND LIKE I TOLD YOU, PAULA WAS THAT MY HOUSE WAS BUILT BY MY GRANDPA IN 74, SO WE'RE ALMOST THERE ALMOST THERE, BUT I KNOW THAT MY HOUSE IS NOT THE OLDEST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE IN LA LOMA. UM AND EVEN OUTSIDE OF LIKE THE MAISON AREA THAT IS PROBABLY OLDER THAN UM, THEN MY AREA AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE SO LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S SO MUCH URGENCY TO PROTECT THAT AREA RIGHT NOW. YES IT'S AN OPPORTUNE TIME TICKET BUDGETED MONEY FOR THAT, FOR SURE THAT'S EXCITING BOARD WHEN THIS IS PRESENTED TO US, WE REALLY NEED TO COME WITH IDEAS AS WELL. OF SITES THAT WE THINK YOU KNOW, WOULD FIT THIS CRITERIA. SO THAT WHEN THEY PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS TO US SOMETHING'S OVERLOOKED, AND WE NEED TO EXACTLY WHERE THAT BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING. YES SO YOU GUYS CAN SAY YEAH. YOU GUYS DIDN'T SEE THIS AS A HIGH PRIORITY, BUT WE KNOW THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND SO MAYBE WE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. EXACTLY DO YOU THINK THIS SURVEY I MEAN, THIS IS GREAT NEWS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NEEDING TO CREATE A NEW AND UPDATED LIST. SO THIS IS GREAT NEWS. UM BUT DO YOU THINK THIS SURVEY COULD EVENTUALLY EXPAND THE TREE OF THE HISTORIC LIKE? DO YOU THINK THAT COULD EVER SO THERE'S EXPAND. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I MEAN , YOU KNOW I LIVE AND WALK DOWN THE HISTORIC AND YOU SEE YOUR LIKE I'M IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT NOW. I'M NOT NO, I'M IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I'M NOT AND THERE IS A LOT OF HOMES NOWADAYS. SO I DON'T KNOW IS THAT EVER A POSSIBILITY THAT THE TREE COULD EXPAND, SO THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY. HOWEVER THEY'LL REGULATIONS AROUND CREATING HISTORIC DISTRICTS HAVE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING THAN THEY WERE IN THE EIGHTIES BECAUSE STATE LAW CHANGED IN 2019 THAT REQUIRES OWNER CONSENT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OWNER THAT STREET WOULD HAVE TO CONSENT OR THE PLANNING AND ZONING OR THE CITY'S CITY BOARDS BOARDS WOULD HAVE TO VOTE BY AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY TO DO THAT. AND SO THE CHANGES THE ORDINANCES FORM. IT WILL BE CHANGING THE ORDINANCE. YES THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO IT. PERTAINING POLITICS, JUST A SINGLE HOUSES OR HOUSES AND DISTRICTS. I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO DO A WHOLE STREET.EVERYBODY ON THE WHOLE STREET HAD TO AGREE OR JUST SINGLE HOUSES OR WHAT? EVERY HOUSE THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WOULD HAVE TO END IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE WHAT HAPPENED OR OR BE VOTED OUT. LOADED ESSENTIALLY PIECEMEAL, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T HAVE , LIKE THREE HOUSES ON THE STREET THAT ARE HISTORIC ZONE AND ONLY CAN BUT GENERALLY YOU TRY TO AVOID THAT. YEAH I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY WE DID A LITTLE BIT RIGHT. UM, BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT, YEAH. SO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. BUT WE, FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE STATES EITHER ON PROPERTY LINES OR ON ON ON WHOLE STREETS, BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A FEW LITTLE AREAS THAT WE STUCK OUT THERE SO SHAPE AS A TREE. WHATEVER YOU DO, SO, THERE YOU GO. WE CALL IT THE TREE BRANCHES TO IT. MAYBE A COUPLE OF LEAVES . BELIEVES WILL BE THE OUTLIERS ON THIS SURVEY. WILL IT ALSO BE POSSIBLE TO BUSINESS BUSINESS BUILDINGS AS WELL? LIKE THE SALOON OVER THERE ACROSS AND
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WHAT HAVE YOU OKAY? WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO ELM SALOON IN A LITTLE WHILE. THANKS, PAULA, YOU'RE WELCOME. WHEN YOU GET BACK TO LET'S SEE. WHERE WERE WE? OKAY SO YEAH, THIS IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY. WE HAD JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY . THERE IS THE RULES FOR FOLLOWING YOU HAVE TO HAVE A C O A TO GET FOR DEMOLITION. THERE IS ALSO WHAT'S CALLED DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS, WHICH IS IF A HOUSE FALLS INTO DISREPAIR THAN THEIRS. CLAUSES IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESS FINES AND PENALTIES FOR PROPERTIES THAT HAVE FALLEN INTO NEGLECT. OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT THEM TO FIX THEM RATHER THAN NOT. BUT THAT KIND OF FOLLOWS ALONG WITH THAT IDEA OF HOUSES THAT WERE CONDEMNED BY THE CITY IN THE PAST, AND SO THIS GIVES US KIND OF A MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THAT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP IS THE QUESTION THAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT TIME THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN IF YOUR C O A TO DEMOLISH SOMETHING IS DENIED. BY EITHER OUR OFFICE OR THE OR THE BOARD, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S AT. AND THEN THERE ARE PROCEDURES IN THERE THAT THEY CAN COME IN, AND, UM ASK FOR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT THERE IS A SET OF CRITERIA THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET THAT. TO EXPLAIN WHY. IT IS ACTUALLY AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF THAT WRITTEN IN THE SLIDE, BUT THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THAT 96 97 SECTION. OF YOUR ORDINANCE THAT ARE IN HERE LOOKED THROUGH THERE , AND IT'S EXTREMELY VAGUE. IT JUST SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW A REASONABLE RATE OF RETURN . IT'S THAT'S YOU KNOW, I'M AN ENGINEER, SO I MEAN, IT'S. ITS EXPENSES. CAPITAL OUTLAY RIGHT OF RETURN IS A SPECIFIC MEANS OF CALCULATING THINGS. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE, IT'S VERY BIG AND IT'S AND WHAT ARE THE BASIS FOR THE NUMBERS THAT GO INTO THE CALCULATION? HOW ARE THOSE DOES THE CITY ALSO DO THEIR OWN CALCULATION WITH THE REASONABLE RATE OF RETURN IS VERSUS WHAT THE CLIMATE HAS NORMALLY THIS THE, UM THE PERSON THAT'S APPLYING HAS TO DO ALL THAT LATE, HARD WORK AND THAT LABOR AND BRING IT IN AND THEN WHAT WE DO FROM OUR SIDE IS TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM AND WITH YOU AND WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO MITIGATE AND SALT FIND SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEM RATHER THAN REACHING TO THOSE EXPENSES. OKAY WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT COME ABOUT IN A BIT, BUT YEAH, I TO ME AGAIN. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. LIKE DAVID OR TIM, BUT, UM I LIKE THINGS BLACK AND WHITE. I LIKE A PROCESS THAT PROCEDURE, IT'S. FORTUNATELY HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS A LOT OF KIND OF NUANCED NOUS A LOT OF TIMES THE ASSUMPTION THAT GO INTO THAT WHEN YOUR CALCULATOR READY TO RETURN. ARE SUBJECTIVE. AND NEED TO BE ON A REASONABLE BASIS. SO IF IT IS DEFINED WHAT THOSE THOSE BASIS FOR THE INPUT IS, THEN YOU HAVE WAYS OF MAKING IT EASY DECISION AND IT'S NOT AN EMOTIONAL DECISION. MHM. IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE WHEN Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES. AND WHAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT? YEP. YEP WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF WHAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND HOW THAT PLAYS IT INSIDE. SO WHEN JUST THE NUMBERS GUY THAT'S WHAT I'M I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND AND WE AND WE DO LIKE TO HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION WHEN THEY WHEN THEY GIVE IT TO US. YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONDITIONS OF THE OF THE PROPERTY ARE. INPUT AND ENGINEERING REPORTS ON THAT, UM , ON MANY OF THE TIMES WHEN WE'VE HAD DEMOLITIONS, WE'VE HAD ASSESSMENTS BY OUR, UM OUR ACTUAL BUILDING. INSPECTORS WILL GO OUT THERE AND DO AN ASSESSMENT AS WELL AND DO THAT WHAT THEY CALL THEIR SUBSTANDARD PROPERTY REPORT. YEAH AND SO THEY CAN KIND OF DO A KIND OF A CROSS VALIDATION THERE AS TO WHAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THE RESILIENCY. OF THE INVESTMENT AND HISTORIC PROPERTY ASSESSMENT SHOWN IN THIS TOWN WHEN NUMEROUS TIMES MOST OF THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN. NOT SO LONG AGO WERE QUITE REASONABLY PRICED AND THE RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT HAS BEEN PROVEN. YES. HUNDREDFOLD PLUS AND HOMES THE SAME WAY. IT DOES ENCOURAGE US TO BE OPTIMISTIC AND TO SEE THE VALUE.AND WHERE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OCCURS OR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT TO SEE THROUGH WHAT'S BEING SAID AS TO WHAT IS REPRESENTED BY EACH OF THE STRUCTURES. THERE'S A NARRATIVE HISTORY THERE THAT'S WORTHY OF RETENTION AND IT HAS ECONOMIC VALUE TO OUR TOWN THAT'S IN MEASURABLE. AND SO WE AS WE MEASURE IT, WE KEEP A THE GRAIN OF SALT AND KNOW THAT IT'S OFTEN TIMES MORE THAN WE ESTIMATE IT COULD BE. AND THIS IS PROVEN OUT IN MY EXPERIENCE IN MCKINNEY. FROM 1973 UNTIL NOW
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AND BEFORE IT'S BEEN RADICALLY PROVEN TIME AND AGAIN. AND OFTENTIMES IT'S BEEN. IGNORED BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THINGS THAT COULD BE SAVED OR SIMPLY PASSED OFF THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE A NARRATIVE. APPROACH TO WHAT'S GOING ON TO SEE THEM APPROACH I THINK ARE BEING INVOLVED, HOPEFULLY WILL ENCOURAGE MORE. REVIEW. WE'LL SEE. OKAY SO AS I WAS SAYING, THERE IS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PROCESS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A BIT BEFORE WHEN WE REVIEW THINGS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THERE'S THE CONSIDERATION OF THE PRESERVATION PRIORITY HIGH MEDIUM AND LOWS. THE SECRETARY STANDARDS AND THE CHECKLIST OF DESIGN ELEMENTS. YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE CHECKLIST OF DESIGN ELEMENTS IN YOUR FOLDERS. IT'S ESSENTIALLY NOT. ESSENTIALLY, IT IS A LIST OF DESIGN ELEMENTS QUITE LITERALLY, WITH ROOF IN THE ELEMENTS OF A ROOF FOUNDATIONS AND THE ELEMENTS OF THAT WINDOWS, DOORS ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND THAT ALLOWS US TO KIND OF GO THROUGH AND SAY, DID THEY ADDRESS THIS? DID THEY ADDRESS THIS DIVISION IS THIS THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, WE WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, BUT THESE ARE THE HIGH PRIORITY. THE PRIORITY RATINGS HIGH MEDIUM. THERE'S THE TWO LARGEST HIGHEST ONES. OBVIOUSLY THEY HIGH ONES TYPICALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE LOCAL OR BROADER HISTORY. OUTSTANDING EXAMPLES OF ARCHITECTURE MIGHT BE A REASON FOR BEING HIGH. IT'S REALLY ORIGINAL. A LOT OF ITS ORIGINAL, OR MAYBE IT ALREADY HAS STATE AND NATIONAL RECOGNITION ATTACHED TO IT. MEDIUMS ARE GENERALLY THEY'RE LIKE HI PROPERTIES, BUT HIGH PRIORITY PROPERTIES, BUT SOMETHING CHANGED ON IT. THAT MAKES IT JUST NOT QUITE AS ORIGINAL AS IT WAS BEFORE, OR MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE A STATE OR NATIONAL RECOGNITION. SO THESE ARE TWO EXAMPLES THAT YOU SEE DOWN HERE.UM AND THEN WE HAVE A LOW PRIORITY AND NON CONTRIBUTING SO LOW PRIORITIES ARE THERE. COULD BE THERE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH. UM SOMETIMES THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN REALLY ALTERED. AND SO IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT WAS ORIGINAL AND WHAT WASN'T ORIGINAL AND THEN NON CONTRIBUTING ARE USUALLY THAT THEY'RE NOT SUFFICIENTLY OLD ENOUGH. BUT SOMETIMES IT'S THAT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORIC INTEGRITY ANYMORE. THE ONE YOU SEE HERE IS JUST NOT OLD ENOUGH. IT'S PRETTY NEW. THE SECRETARY STANDARDS. THAT'S THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR AT THE NET, WHICH IS WHERE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IS AND WHO MANAGES THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. AND SO THEY CREATED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. UM THESE INTO THE STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, AND SO THEY ARE KIND OF A CHECKLIST THAT YOU GO THROUGH AND SEE HOW THINGS WHAT THE KIND OF THE BEST PRACTICES ARE FOR SAVING HISTORIC PROPERTIES. AND SO SOME OF THEM WE DON'T DEAL WITH VERY OFTEN LIKE THERE'S ONE IN HERE. UM, WHERE IS IT? THERE'S ONE ABOUT ARCHAEOLOGICAL FEATURES. I FORGET WHICH ONE IT IS NOW. WE DON'T DEAL WITH THAT ONE. TOO OFTEN. THERE'S ONE ABOUT CHEMICAL AND PHYSICAL TREATMENTS SUCH AS SAND BLASTING, AND SO WE DON'T GET INTO THAT A WHOLE LOT. THAT'S ONE THAT TYPICALLY JAMES AND HIS COLLEAGUES OR, UM, TOM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF ENGINEERING YOU DO. BUT ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS WOULD GET INTO WHAT THEY'RE FINDING OUT THERE. OKAY SO TYPICALLY THIS CHEMICAL AND PHYSICAL TREATMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DONE WITH WHAT IS TO THE ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEERING TEAM, BUT WE DO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. POKER HEADING TO THAT, TOO. AND DO YOU KNOW SUGGEST, HEY, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TALK TO A SPECIALIST AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING THE RIGHT TREATMENTS. AND SO THAT HAPPENS A LOT. OUT THERE IT IS.
ARCHITECTURAL ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESOURCES. WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THAT HAPPENS, BUT SO A LOT OF A LOT OF WHAT WE LIVE IN IS DOWN HERE WITH NEW ADDITIONS AND EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS, UM, AND MAKING SURE PROPERTIES ARE STAYING IN LINE WITH THE STANDARDS THERE. SOMETIMES IT'S DETERIORATED HISTORIC FEATURES. WE'D RATHER HAVE YOU REPAIR THEM AND THEN REPLACE THEM. THAT'S ALWAYS THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE. FIX IT BEFORE YOU REPLACE IT. AND THEN DISTINCTIVE FEATURES AND FINISHES ARE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE PRESERVED. SO IF YOU HAVE UM, LIKE A THINK OF THE 5 14 HUNT STREET PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WAS JUST THERE. THEY IDENTIFIED THAT LITTLE HISTORIC , UM, DIAMOND SHAPE IN THERE, RIGHT? AND SO THEY UNCOVERED IT, AND THEY PRESERVED THAT THAT ELEMENT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A DISTINGUISHING FEATURE THERE. UM AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. EACH PROPERTY IS RECOGNIZED AS A PHYSICAL RECORD OF ITS TIME AND PLACE IN USE. AND SO YOU WANT TO. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU DO THOSE ADDITIONS THAT YOU'RE SENSITIVE TO THEM LOOKING LIKE THEY BELONG TO THE BUILDING, BUT THAT THEY ALSO DON'T MAKE US THINK THAT THEY WERE BUILT IN 18 91 WHEN THEY WERE REALLY BUILT. 2.5 YEARS AGO, SO THERE'S ALWAYS A CAREFUL BALANCE BETWEEN THREE AND NINE HERE. WE WORK ON THAT A LOT.
OKAY UM, THERE'S JUST SOME DEFINITIONS HERE. REHABILITATION IS THE PROCESS OF MAKING
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SOMETHING COMPATIBLE WITH REPAIR ALTERATIONS AND ADDITIONS. THERE ARE 10 STANDARDS AS YOU JUST SAW . AND AS I SAID, WE ALWAYS THERE'S A FEW STEPS THAT YOU START WITH. YOU IDENTIFY THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TUSCAN COLUMNS TONIGHT AS CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. RETURNING CHARACTER DEFINED, RETAINING. RATHER THERE'S CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES AND PRESERVING THEM. THERE'S ALWAYS WANT TO TRY TO RETAIN WHAT YOU HAVE AND PRESERVE WHAT YOU HAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN THE GUIDELINES. THEY ARE GUIDELINES BECAUSE THEY ARE RECOMMENDATIONS AND BEST PRACTICES AND YOU TRY TO FOLLOW THEM AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE. AND IT'S STILL KIND OF PRESERVE THE SPACE. OKAY JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF SYMPATHETIC AND APPROPRIATE REHABILITATIONS. SO AS I SAID, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO TRY TO REPAIR FIRST RATHER THAN REPLACE AND SO IF YOU HAVE SOME OLD HISTORIC WINDOWS, WHOOPS. SORRY I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON THERE. IF YOU HAVE SOME OLD HISTORIC WINDOWS, WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE YOU TO REPAIR THEM FIRST, RATHER THAN REPLACE THEM. GENERALLY HISTORIC WINDOWS LAST A LONG TIME. BECAUSE YOU CAN USUALLY REPLACE A PIECE OF WOOD OR BROKEN PIECE OF WOOD OR RE PUTTY RE GLAZE THE WINDOW. PUT IT BACK OR REPLACE THE GLASS. YOU KNOW THAT KIND OF THING, SO THEY TEND TO LAST A LONG TIME.UM AND THEN YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE RESPECTING THE SCALE PROPORTIONS AND STYLE AND THAT IF YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE THINGS NEW THAT THEY'RE REVERSIBLE, SO YOU KNOW IF YOU GENERALLY THINGS ARE REVERSIBLE , DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S GENERALLY FEASIBLE TO MAKE IT REVERSIBLE. SO WE TRY NOT TO COVER UP WINDOWS OR RESTRUCTURE WALLS. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WHENEVER, UM THE CITY SPECIFICALLY LIKE HOUSING. AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT DOES, UM, REHABS ON OLDER HOUSES . THEY DID ONE ON OURS. UM THEY REPLACED OR NOT REPLACED. THEY COVERED THE SIGHTING OF OUR HOUSE WITH VINYL SIDING AND TOOK OUT AN OLD CIRCLE WINDOW AND THIS WAS BACK IN 2005. BUT THEY TOOK OUT THERE WAS A AN ARCHED WINDOW IN THE FRONT AND REPLACED IT WITH A REGULAR WINDOW BECAUSE IT WAS ASSUMING LESS EXPENSIVE, AND SO I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE A PRACTICE THAT THEY STILL DO, BECAUSE I MEAN, WE LOST SOME, YOU KNOW CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR HOME BECAUSE OF THAT, SO WHEN THEIR WHEN THEIR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WE ASKED THEM TO DO A CO A FIRST SO THAT WE CAN HELP IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE, RIGHT WINDOWS ARE ON THE SECOND STORY OR IN DORMERS COME TAX SOMETIMES GET A LITTLE IFFY BECAUSE BACK IN THE 18 NINETIES OR EVEN THE 19 SEVENTIES, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EGRESS REQUIREMENTS THAT WE THAT WE DO NOW. FOR OCCUPY IT WILL SPACES AND SO SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE WINDOWS TO MAKE IT HABITABLE SPACE. THEN IT'S THE BALANCE OF HOW DO YOU KIND OF RETAIN THE SHAPE? BUT MAKE IT ILLEGAL WINDOW SO THAT PEOPLE CAN USE THE SPACE. SO THERE'S OFTEN THAT KIND OF BALANCE AND BACK AND FORTH THERE. YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEY DON'T COME TO US FIRST. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT DIALOGUE TO HAPPEN. AND SO THEN, IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD BE THE OWNERS WOULD BE ON THE OWNER TO SAY. HEY I WANT TO SAVE THAT WINDOW, RIGHT? OKAY. YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING. I MEAN, OURS OBVIOUSLY WASN'T AT THAT POINT.
HISTORIC. IT WAS ONLY LIKE 35 YEARS OLD OR 40 YEARS OLD, BUT, UM NO. NOT MATH. I DON'T KNOW.
BUT NO, BUT IN MORE THAN 2005. OKAY YEARS WE KNOW YOU'RE YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING AND I JUST WONDER, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF HOUSES THAT ARE BEING KIND OF REFURBISHED IN IN THE EAST SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS. ONE WAS KNOCKED COMPLETELY DOWN. AND SO I JUST WONDER LIKE, ARE WE LOSING HOMES? TO REFURBISH. FISHING PROJECTS. YOU KNOW THAT THAT ARE LOSING THOSE CHARACTERISTICS. AS FAR AS WHAT YOU KNOW PRIVATE OWNERS DO, OKAY , THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT, UM YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT IS LIKE YOU SAID THE WINDOW WAS CHANGED. YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT THE CIRCLE WINDOW BACK, RIGHT? SO THAT'S AN ADVANTAGE THERE AND HOPEFULLY WITH THE VINYL WITH THE VINYL SIDING BEING THERE, YOU KNOW IT HASN'T DAMAGED THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH OF IT. COULD HAVE BEEN WOULD. IT COULD HAVE BEEN NOT? I WILL SAY IF IT'S ASBESTOS SIDING, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON MID CENTURY. WE TEND TO ENCAPSULATE THAT ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE'VE LEARNED THAT ASBESTOS ITIS IS ASBESTOS SIDING ISN'T UNFRIENDLY HEALTH HAZARD. AND SO THAT ONE YOU KNOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE, AND THAT THAT GETS YOU INTO KIND OF SOME OF THE NUANCES THAT YOU HAVE BETWEEN THE MID CENTURY PROPERTIES VERSUS THE 18 NINETIES PROPERTY, SO THERE'S LOTS OF LIKE I SAID, LOTS OF DISCUSSION OPPORTUNITIES. AGAIN NOT NOT DERAIL. BUT ON THE EAST SIDE. THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THEIR IN THE H H. ENEZI, RIGHT? CORRECT. IS THERE ANY, UM,
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REGULATORY AUTHORITY. OVER WHAT GOES ON THERE ON AS FAR AS HIS HISTORIC HOMES. ANYTHING HISTORIC. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CEO A AUTHORITY OVER THERE. NO SO THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOMETHING IS THROUGH THE PROGRAM. WHERE THEY YOU KNOW IF THEY WERE TO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO REACH HER. WE WERE WANT TO REHAB THIS HOUSE. WE ARE THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE. AND SO THEN THEY WOULD COME IN AND GET THEIR LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY AND THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY. UM SO UM AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO TRY TO AVOID INAPPROPRIATE EDITION. SO YOU KNOW YOU SEE HERE. THIS IS RIGHT FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE BOOK. YOU HAVE THIS GRAND QUEEN ANNE VICTORIAN STYLE ISH HOUSE HERE, AND THEN THEY PUT A 19 TWENTIES LOOKING MODERN BOX ON THE SIDE OF IT, UM, ON A PROMINENT FACADE, NOT EVEN TUCKED AWAY IN THE BACK. SO MAYBE IF IT WAS TUCKED AWAY IN THE BACK, IT WOULDN'T BE AS OBVIOUS. BUT RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT, IT'S YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SYMPATHETIC, DIFFERENTIATED DEFINITELY DIFFERENTIATED IN AN OBJECT OF ITS TIME AND PLACE, BUT NOT QUITE AS SYMPATHETIC AS WE WOULD LIKE. SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. UM AND THEN INAPPROPRIATE RENOVATIONS, PUTTING VINYL SIDING ON A WOODEN HOUSE AS CAME UP ALREADY OR JUST MESS YOU KNOW, COVERING UP RAFTER TAILS BECAUSE IT'S A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OR AND THIS EVEN IS KIND OF ODD. IT'S HARD TO TELL ON THIS ONE. IF THESE SHUTTERS WERE ORIGINAL OR NOT, GENERALLY, SHUTTERS ON WINDOWS WOULD BE THE SAME SIZE AS A WINDOW AND SO YOU KNOW, SO IT JUST DEPENDS. ALTHOUGH THIS HAS THIS HAS JEALOUSY WINDOWS, SO IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT THE WINDOWS WERE BEFORE ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, JEALOUSY WINDOWS. WE DON'T TEND TO DO TOO MUCH ANYMORE, EITHER. SUCH A STEAK, WARM SO I'M CERTAIN OKAY , SO EDUCATION PROGRAMS. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THESE, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE INCENTIVES. WE HAD THE HISTORIC RESOURCES MAP THAT YOU SEE DOWN HERE IN THE BOTTOM. WE HAVE THE CALENDAR, THE RECOGNITION PROGRAM WALKING TOURS WE STARTED LAST YEAR DOING A KID FOCUSED WALKING TOUR. WE HAVE OUR REGULAR DOWNTOWN GUIDED TOURS AND THEN THE SELF GUIDED TOURS, AND THIS HAS UPCOMING NEW THEMES. TOURS FOR 2022 2023. WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN OUTLAWS AND PHANTOMS TOUR COMING UP ON THE FIFTH. TEETH, SO IT'S NOT A GHOST TOUR. BUT ITS OUTLAWS AND THEN PHANTOM BUILDINGS AND THINGS SO WILL BE THAT WILL BE OUR NEXT TOUR THIS OCTOBER, AND THEN WE'LL BE EXPANDING THAT TO OTHER THEME TOURS OVER THE YEAR. PAULA, WHO ALL ON STAFF. DOES THOSE YOU DO THEM? CASSIE CASSIE AND I HE WAS DOING SOMETHING FOR A WHILE. HE DOESN'T DO TOO MANY OF EM ANYMORE, BUT BUT HE WAS DOING THEM FOR A WHILE. SO YEAH, AND THEN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE OR IN THE PAST, AND THEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S GOING TO GET BACK TO IT AGAIN. BUT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HISTORIAN OVERCHARGES DEPARTMENT THAT WAS LEADING THEM FOR A WHILE AS WELL. AND SO SHE DOES. A LOT OF OUR STORY. MAPS ARE JUNETEENTH HISTORY STORY MAP AND OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY STORY MAP. THERE'S STORY MAPS.SHE'S SHE'S DONE FOR US A FEW TIMES SOON. UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE VIRTUAL TOURS LIKE AS YOU SAID JUNETEENTH IN MCKINNEY MCKINNEY SALOONS WAS ACTUALLY DONE BY OUR LIBRARY STAFF UP IN THE LIBRARY, GENEALOGY DEPARTMENT. SO THAT'S IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT. YET. THAT'S A NEAT LITTLE STORY ABOUT OUR SALOONS THAT ALL SHUT DOWN IN 19. OH TWO, WHEN WE VOTED TO MAKE MCKINNEY A DRY CITY PRIOR TO THAT TIME, THERE WERE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 13 AND 20.
THEY'LL PLAY INTO THE OUTLAW STORE NEXT LATER THIS MONTH TO OUTLAWS AND SALOONS FROM OUTLAWED THEM. YEAH. OKAY UM, INCENTIVES SO WE'VE TALKED A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE AND THE MARKERS ARE MARKERS HERE IN MCKINNEY AREN'T LANDMARKING MARKERS. THEY'RE JUST MARKERS FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES AND HISTORIES AND GETTING YOUR TAX INCENTIVE. UM AND SO WE HAVE A NARRATIVE ASSOCIATED, UM, THAT YOU SAW IN YOUR PACKET TODAY FOR THOSE TWO PROPERTIES WITH EVERY ONE OF THOSE HISTORIC MARKERS, SO THAT HELPS ADD TO THE HISTORY AND THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE. HELPS US BE MORE AWARE OF SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANCE. I CAME ACROSS ANOTHER ONE TODAY WE APPROVED A MARKER 46. OH, FOUR HEARD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND IT WAS THE TALKING TIN WILSON HOUSE. I FOUND A MAP OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY FROM 1930 TODAY THAT WAS USED FOR THE CENSUS AND THAT MAP WAS PRODUCED BY MR TALKING TO ME. SO MORE MORE UNCOVERED DISCOVERIES THERE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE THAT TAX INCREMENT AND REINVESTMENT ZONE IN THIS SIDEWALKS AND PARKS, SIDEWALKS USING PARKLAND PROGRAMS, SIDEWALK USE AND PARK. LET'S ARE ONLY FOR BUSINESSES IN THAT KIND OF THE PARK LIGHTS ARE ONLY IN THE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. RIGHT DOWNTOWN. THE SIDEWALK LICENSES ARE AVAILABLE IN WHAT'S THE BROADER MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER DISTRICT? WHICH IS A
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LITTLE BIT ON THE EAST SIDE AND A LITTLE BIT ON THIS SIDE OF HOW WEST SIDE OF HIGHWAY FIVE THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE. I THINK I HAVE A MAP OF IT HERE. MANY WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE ALREADY. THESE ARE THE MARKET REQUIREMENTS. COME BACK TO THIS IN A SECOND, BUT LET ME GET TO THE TRES. YOU HAD A PROGRAM AT THE LIBRARY ABOUT THAT, DID YOU ? I MEAN, AS FAR I WASN'T ABLE TO GO, BUT DID YOU HAVE A GOOD CROWD OR DID WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE? YEAH WE DID. THAT'S GOOD . THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT YOU THANK YOU. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT TRYING TO GET SOME MORE KNOWLEDGE OUT THERE ABOUT IT. SO THIS IS THE TOURS ONE BOUNDARY. THERE'S ALSO A TOURIST TO STANDS FOR TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONES TO IS THE AIRPORT. ONE IS THIS KIND OF CORRIDOR ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE ARE KIND OF OUR OLDER COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. AND SO THAT GRANT ALLOWS, UM THIS CITY TO GIVE MONEY TO BUSINESSES AND BUILD BUILDING OWNERS FOR RESTORATION OF THEIR FACADES, ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION. UM HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT LATELY. ACQUISITIONS UM STREETSCAPING UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS, CRITICAL MAINTENANCE AND FIRE SUPPRESSION . SO FIRE SUPPRESSION IS THINGS LIKE ADDING FIRE SPRINKLERS TO DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS. AND IF YOU'VE TAKEN THE TOUR OR LEARNED ANY, YOU KNOW, GONE THROUGH THE HISTORY OF MCKINNEY AT ANY POINT IN THE PAST, WHICH I'M SURE ALL OF YOU HAVE WE HAVE A HISTORY OF FIRES IN MCKINNEY. AND SO FIRE SUPPRESSION IS A BIG IMPORTANT ITEM THERE. THOSE ARE AWARDED THROUGH THE TOUR'S BOARD THE TAX REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARD, UM AND THEY SUPPORT THE RE USE OF MANY OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN AND YOU CAN SEE LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN SEE THAT WHOLE AREA THERE. UM JUST REAL QUICK.THIS IS THAT H AND H N I Z AND EASY HS, A AREA THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT KIND OF BROADER AREA OF HISTORIC MCKINNEY. UM SO I SEE. WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT? OKAY HOW I FIVE. SO WE DO HAVE SO HIGHWAY FIVE IS HERE. OKAY? YEP. THIS IS 3 80 AK OLD HIGHWAY 24. THIS IS 75. THIS IS, UM ELDER. NO, NOT OTHER IN INDUSTRIAL BOULEVARD AND WILSON CREEK OVER THERE. UM, YEAH, THAT IS ELDORADO. I THINK UM. YES BUT ELDORADO. THEY STOPPED CALLING IT EL DORADO.
THEY START CALLING IT WILSON WILSON CREEK RIGHT THERE. YEAH. AND THEN, UM, THIS IS AIRPORT ROAD OVER HERE. AND SO I THINK THIS IS WILSON CREEK AREA, AND THEN ELDORADO IS DOWN THERE. BUT PARKINS YES. SO THIS IS KIND OF THAT OLD HISTORIC AREA OF MCKINNEY. THAT HAS BEEN OH, BEEN MCKINNEY SINCE 1970 1970 BEYOND RIGHT. UM AND SO THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED THE HISTORICALLY SENSITIVE AREA IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND GET SITE PLAN, APPROVALS AND FACADE PLAN APPROVALS THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, OAS OR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT JUST KIND OF GENERAL NEW DEVELOPMENT THIS IS THE AGENT IZ AREA, SO THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S ELIGIBLE TO GET THE TAX ABATEMENTS THAT WE AWARDED EARLIER TONIGHT. AND THIS IS ALSO THE AREA THAT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE. THE IDEA BEHIND THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE IS IF YOU HAVE A VACANT LOT OR AN EMPTY LOT, OR A HOUSE THAT A LOT THAT HAD A HOUSE THAT BURNED DOWN OR SOMETHING, AND YOU GOT TO PUT A PROPERTY BACK THERE, YOU COULD GET YOUR IMPACT FEES WAIVED IF YOU FOLLOWED THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THE UNEASY WAIVER AND THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES, OR SOME, UM THEY GO OVER THERE FORM BASED AND THEY'RE ABOUT THINGS LIKE BEATING THE SCALE THE MATERIALS , THE PROPORTIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE IN, SO THAT YOU CAN SORT OF BLENDS INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO WE HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT HAVE GOTTEN THAT. THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT GET THAT THERE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT CAN GET THAT AS LONG AS THEY MEET SPECIFIC CRITERIA. THREE OF THEM, UM AND THEN THERE ARE MULTI FAMILY PROJECTS THAT CAN GET THAT MULTI FAMILY PROJECTS IN ANY OF THOSE OTHER PROJECTS THAT EXCEED $50,000 IN IMPACT FEES. ROADWAY ONLY HAVE TO GET APPROVED BY COUNCIL. BUT THE SMALLER PROJECTS ARE APPROVED BY STAFF. YOU KNOW THEY HAD A WATCH THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE OTHER THE OTHER NOT, AND I THINK IT WAS ROCK WALL. UM THEY HAD A DUPLEX DUPLEX. AND, UM THEY WERE WANTED TO BUILD. TWO STORY DUPLEX. I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE SPECIFICS. IT WAS. IT WAS DENIED. BUT ONE THING THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE IT WAS IT DIDN'T FIT THE CHARACTERISTIC. OR IT DIDN'T FIT THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I'M SURPRISED THAT, UM, SO IF IT'S IN THE IN EASY, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE UNEASY
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WAIVER PROGRAM OPTION ADVANTAGE OF BEING IN THE N EASY AREA IS YOU GET THE OPTION. OKAY THE OPTION TO HAVE THE INCENTIVE. OKAY SO THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. OH YEAH, THEY CAN, BUT IF THEY WANT TO GET THE IMPACT FEES WAIVED, THEN THEY CAN COME AND ASK US FOR AN ELIGIBILITY LETTER AND WE REVIEW THEIR PLANS AND SAY, LOOK, IT'S GOTTA KIND OF BLEND IN. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE MATERIALS. YOU KNOW, IT'S AGAIN . IT'S PART OF THAT. IT'S AN ELEMENT OF ITS TIME. BUT THE YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO FIT INTO THE HISTORIC FABRIC. IF I COULD KIND OF TRY TO SUMMARIZE AND MAKE SURE I'M GETTING IT RIGHT. SO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE ARE TEARING DOWN HOUSES AND BUILDING WHATEVER THEY WANT. BECAUSE NOTHING STOPS THEM. INCENTIVES ARE IF THEY WANT A LITTLE MONEY OFF THEIR TAXES, OR SOME FEES REDUCED BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE WHITE BOX. THEY CAN DO THAT. BUT THE WHITE BOX OUTSIDE OF THE TREE IS THAT STOPPING ANYBODY FROM DOING ANYTHING? I CAN DO PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER THEY WANT, JUST INCENTIVES, NOT. HISTORICALLY THERE ARE SOME.THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING ASPECT THAT THEY HAVE FOR FACADE PLANS WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW BUILDING, WHERE THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW SOME FACADE GUIDELINES TO BE SOME LIKE IT WAS IT WAS RS 60 , AND THEY WERE TRYING TO GET IT REZONED, BUT IT WAS DENIED THE ROCK WALL ONE. YES THIS IS THE ONE THERE WAS A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AT CITY COUNCIL. AND I, UM BUT IT YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO TRY TO EXPAND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. PRESERVED OVER THERE TO GO EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE AND WANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY NO, I DON'T WANT THAT.
WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK IF WE IT'S TO PROTECT THEM, RIGHT? IF WE I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU PRESENT IT BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU WOULD DO IT IS TO PROTECT HIS OVER THERE RIGHT? DIFFERENT. IT WOULDN'T BE HISTORIC ZONE, YOU'D CALL IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. RIGHT WELL, AND I THINK TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES. PERHAPS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS, PAULA, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT THOSE UM, WAIVERS THAT PEOPLE CAN APPLY FOR IT LIKE TAX . WHAT WAS THE TAX EXEMPTIONS DISEASE? THE CHALLENGE WITH THOSE IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE OCCUPIED RIGHT, AND THEY HAVE TO BE 50 YEARS OF AGE OR WHATEVER. AND I HAD TALKED TO YOU ABOUT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME. I HAVE SO MANY NEIGHBORS WHOSE HOMES HAVE BEEN IN THEIR FAMILIES FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS. UM AND WE SPOKE RECENTLY WITH DANA AT THE CITY ABOUT CREATING SOME NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS BECAUSE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE H OAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE HAVEN'T FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. AND SO ONE THING THAT WAS KIND OF SUGGESTED WITH THAT WE COULD BRING YOU OR SOMEONE FROM UM, LIKE YOU WERE CASSIE TO COME AND SPEAK AT ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE RESIDENTS THERE, BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY THE INTEREST IS THERE. A LOT OF RESIDENTS SHOWED UP TO THIS FIRST MEETING TO TALK ABOUT. HOW DO WE GET THIS STARTED? UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SEEING THINGS ARE HAPPENING OVER THERE, RIGHT AND THAT'S REALLY KNOCKING ON OUR DOORS. YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET AND PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO TO KIND OF STOP THAT AND SAVE THAT. BUT I THINK I DO AGREE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY WELL, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY FOR EVERY YOU KNOW, RIGHT FOR EVERY, UM RENAULT THAT I HAVE TO DO OR WHATEVER, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. WHEN WE TALKED THE WAIVER, THE H. IN HN IZ WAIVER. DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS SO THAT H AND I Z IS A TAX EXEMPTION IS NOT AWAY. OKAY TAX EXEMPTION AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM. YOU HAVE TO BE ON OUR ELIGIBLE. LET ME LET ME BACK UP BECAUSE IT'S ON HERE. OKAY, SO IT HAS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED. IT HAS TO HAVE YOU HAVE TO DO VARIABLE. YOU HAVE TO DO VERIFIABLE ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS THERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. WE'LL GO BACK TO THEM. YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL YOUR PERMITS AND APPROVALS. AND IF YOU'RE IN THE H S, IF YOU'RE IN THE AGE OVERLAY A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM THIS STRUCTURE HAS TO BE MAINTAINED IN GOOD CONDITION, OR YOU'RE PUTTING IT BACK. THERE CAN'T HAVE ANY CODE VIOLATIONS AND ALL OF ITS TAXES HAVE TO BE PAID.
NOW WITH THAT PROGRAM ELIGIBILITY. YOU. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE 50 YEARS OLD MARCO MARKER LEVEL LEVEL ONE HAS TO BE 50. OKAY THE AGENT IZ THIS YEAR WHEN WE MADE THE REVISIONS TO IT , WE CHANGED THE AGE FOR THE LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL 3 TO 40 YEARS. OKAY SO THAT THEY CAN GET
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IN THERE AND GET FIXED BEFORE SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED FOR. OKAY SO THAT'S FOR THE LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL THREE. NOW THE LEVEL OKAY, HERE WE GO. HERE'S THE ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS. THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE YOUR HOUSE THAT ARE ELIGIBLE EXPENDITURES FOR THE H N I C PAINTING, ROOFING WINDOWS FOUNDATIONS, SANITARY SEWER LINES WHEN THAT OLD CAST IRON PIPE OR THAT OLD TERRACOTTA PIPE BREAKS AND YOU GOT TO PUT A NEW ONE IN FIRE PROTECTION. IF YOU'VE GOT TO ADD SPRINKLERS TO YOUR HOUSE, HEATING VENTILATION AND COOLING INSULATION BECAUSE YOU'VE DECIDED THAT THERE'S NO INSULATION IN YOUR ATTIC ANYMORE . YOU GOTTA PUT NEW ONES IN RIGHT ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING. AND THEN THERE'S YOU HAVE TO SPEND EITHER 5000 OR $10,000, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE GETTING SO THAT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT ONE? YEAH. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON H AND I SEE. THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES FOR THE AN EASY YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR NOTEBOOKS AS WELL OR IN THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN SIDEWALK CAFES AND PATIOS AND PARK. LET'S SIDEWALK CAFES WERE STARTED AS AN INCENTIVE BACK IN 7 4008. I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY 4009. AND THEY WERE TO ENCOURAGE MORE ACTIVITY ON THE STREET. DOWNTOWN WE'VE CHANGED THAT A LITTLE BIT NOW, SO WE HAVE A FEW LESS FENCES THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THEN BEFORE SO, AND WE'VE OPENED THEM UP TO PATIOS SO THAT RETAIL BUSINESSES COULD HAVE THEM AS WELL, BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT KIND OF KEEPS THINGS A LITTLE ACTIVE ON THE SQUARE.UM AND THEN THAT AND THEN THERE ARE PARK LET'S PARK LET'S OUR PARKING SPACES THAT CAN BE USED AND THOSE ARE ONLY AVAILABLE DOWNTOWN. AND THOSE ALL REQUIRE A C O A OR A LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT COULD GET A SIDEWALK LICENSE. SINCE OR PARK LIT HALF OR EXCUSE ME. A SIDEWALK LICENSE ARE IN THE AGE OVERLAY OR THIS COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THAT MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER AREA, WHICH POPS OVER THE HIGHWAY A LITTLE BIT. UM OKAY? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I'M SURE YOU HAVE THIS HUGE NOTEBOOK TO SIT AND DIGEST TOO. VERY IMPRESSED HOW MUCH WORK WENT INTO THIS PRESENTATION AND I WANT TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION. THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. AND IF YOU WANT TO, WE CAN GET TOGETHER LATER ABOUT THE MEETINGS. SO WE WERE TRYING TO DO THOSE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED RIGHT NOW. WE STILL ARE GOING TO GET YOU KNOW A GROUP OF LEADERS TOGETHER TO SET UP. YOU KNOW A SCHEDULE FOR MEETING BUT I'LL DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO YOU, RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. PAULA PAULA. THAT WAS TERRIFIC. OKAY DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ADAMS NOW ON THE AGENDA WHEN NOBODY'S HERE SO WE WON'T HAVE TO LOSE IT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY ANY BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF THAT HAVE ANY
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FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS? I HAVE TWO THINGS THINGS. A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, JOANNA ASKED ABOUT TRAINING ON STAFF FOR TREES AND TREES. GETTING TAKEN CARE OF OUR ARBORIST ACTUALLY DID SOME TRAINING WITH CITY STAFF ON HOW TO PROPERLY TRIM TREES, SO THAT'S BEEN DONE AND YOU HAVE IN YOUR LAPS. UM AND THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN THE AUDIENCE CAN SEE. SATURDAY IS OUR ANNUAL TEXAS ARBOR DAY SHARE THE SHADE EVENT. WHEN YOU CAN COME DOWNTOWN AND GET FREE TREES WITH YOUR PROOF OF RESIDENTS, SO THAT SATURDAY MORNING ON THE SQUARE ON THE KENTUCKY STREETSIDE CUTE UM YEAH, IT WASN'T ME. THIS WAS ALL COMMUNICATIONS AND ARBORIST. I DID NOT DO THE PRETTY ARTWORK. MYRTLE'S UM YOU KNOW, LIKE I WENT TO, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE IN EVERY YEAR. THANK YOU VIEW A CRIME MURDER. AND I WOULD WALK HOME FROM SCHOOL WITH MY CREPE MYRTLE. MY MOM WAS LIKE WE HAVE SO MANY CRIMINALS ARE BACK HERE NOW. THAT EXPLAINS A LOT AS TO WHERE ALL THE GREAT MODELS CAME FROM. NOW I GET IT. I GET IT. MYRTLE AND ME AND ALL MY BROTHERS HAVE WALKED HOME WITH OUR GREAT SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEM. SHE'S PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON I LOVE IT. WE JUST GOT SOMETHING. YEAH. FORCED MY BACKYARD. I'M A BANK. THEY DO.THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD TREES ARE OAK AND A CHINESE STASH. OKAY SO THERE'S A B THERE. YOU ALSO HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU MENTIONED THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. THERE THERE IS A NONPROFIT GROUP CALLED THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THAT'S KIND OF THE NATIONAL NONPROFIT THAT WORKS WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND THEY HAVE A CONFERENCE CALLED PAST FORWARD EVERY YEAR AND THAT IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS PRESERVATIONIST. THIS YEAR. IT'S AGAIN THIS YEAR. IT'S ALL VIRTUAL. SO YOU HAVE A FLYER
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THERE ON THE PAST FORWARD CONFERENCE WITH SOME INFORMATION THERE. REAL PLACES IS A CONFERENCE THAT THE FRIENDS OF THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION DOES IN AUSTIN IN FEBRUARY. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WAYS TO KIND OF GET YOU GUYS SOME MORE INFORMATION ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION, SO IT SEEMED LIKE A GREAT TIME TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, PLEASE. EITHER OF THOSE EVENTS JUST GIVE US A CALL, AND WE CAN HELP YOU OUT WITH THOSE YEP. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM I MENTIONED ALREADY THE SURVEY. SO THAT TOOK CARE OF THAT ON MY LIST OF THINGS. AND THEN THE LAST NOTE I HAD IS, UM, THAT WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED YET IS IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE NEWS, YET, THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY THAT BIG CHAPTER 1 46 IS BEING COMPLETELY OVERHAULED. IT'S BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH TO PLANNING AND ZONING FOR MONTHS NOW AND THAT WILL BE COMING TO VOTE AT THE COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK IT OUT, PLEASE GO CHECK OUT THE LINK ON THE CITY'S WEB PAGE ABOUT THE CHANGES SO WILL BE SOME CLARIFICATIONS OF LANGUAGE IN THERE FOR OUR STUFF. NO BIG CHANGES TO OUR ORDINANCES, BUT JUST SOME EASIER TO UNDERSTAND ENGLISH THERE. SO IF YOU'RE SURE ? YEAH DID YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD? GROWN FAMILIAR WITH FINCH PARK. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY ON FINCH PARK. THE FACTORY PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY IS VERY IMPORTANT. LOCATION IN THE HISTORY OF MCKINNEY. AND THE FAMILY HAS MADE A GREAT CONTRIBUTION. ONE OF THE OWNERS WAS ONE OF THE CO FOUNDERS OF THE HERITAGE GUILT. THE SCHUBERT VAST HISTORY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND THE HEART OF CULTURAL HISTORY. FROM THE KIDNEY AND THE HARVARD BUSINESS AND OF FRUITS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE DEVELOPED TO THIS FAMILY. AND IT'S POSSIBLE IN THE NEXT WEEKS AND DAYS THAT ARE COMING THAT THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO COME. INTO OUR VISION FOR PURPOSES THAT WE HAVE NOT IMAGINED BEFORE. I WANT TO INTRODUCE THIS REALITY TO YOU IN THE MOST VAGUE SORT OF WAY BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW IT'S ALL GONNA WORK OUT. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROPERTY, AND I HOPE FOR YOUR SUPPORT. WHATEVER CAN TRANSPIRE TO SEE IT PRESERVED FOR THE HISTORY OF MCKINNEY. PERHAPS IN THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE DO IS TO FIND PROPERTIES WORTH RESTORATION AND FOR THE ACQUISITION OR OTHERWISE, THIS IS CERTAINLY ONE OF I WANT TO SAY THAT. GO FORWARD. YOU'RE ONE OF THE FIRST TOUCHED ON ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY TO HEAR WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR IT. WE MIGHT SEE IT DEVELOP. SAY THAT THE FUTURE. BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION TONIGHT. YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF IT. AND NOW WE'LL KNOW MORE TIME GOES OFF. GREAT THANKS FOR THE PICTURE EXCITING. YEAH I THINK MAYBE MIGHT BE. I MEAN, JUST TALK ABOUT IT, UH, ONE MORE THING, AND THAT'S THAT'S GREAT NEWS. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW . AND I WANTED PAULA TO PAULA GAVE ME A CALL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT SOME HOUSES ON KENTUCKY STREET THAT ARE GOING TO BE, UH, DEMOED AND I FEEL LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT TO BE AWARE OF KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHERE THEY ARE. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INFORMATION YOU HAVE ABOUT IT. BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST SHARE WITH THIS AS FAR AS, UH WHAT'S GOING ON, OR DO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING UP THERE OR SO WE HAVE. THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES ON SOUTH KENTUCKY STREET THAT ARE LOW PRIORITY HOMES, SMALL LITTLE HOUSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE EITHER RELOCATED OR DE MODE. UM THREE OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE RELOCATED TO OTHER PROPERTIES. AND TWO OF THEM AREN'T THOSE TWO THAT AREN'T HAVE SOME FOUNDATION AND SOME OTHER ISSUES INVOLVED WITH THEM. THAT MAKES THEM NOT FEASIBLE FOR MOVING BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T STAY INTACT IF THEY WERE MOVED, AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE AND THEN THAT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE PART OF SOME KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY. UM WE DON'T HAVE THE THIS THE PLANS YET ON WHAT THAT IS GOING TO BE. UM FINALIZED YET , BUT THAT WILL BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD APIECE. OKAY SO THAT IS IN THE EDGE. OKAY REGULAR, HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT. OKAY? YEAH, IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE IT'S ON ITSELF AND DOWN. NEAR THE SURREY HOUSE. OKAY SO GO AHEAD. ARE YOU GONNA HAVE SOMETHING, TOM? ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT'S THERE WAS NOT IS NOT ORIGINAL. TO ME THAT'S GOING IS NOT ORIGINAL TO MCKINNEY. IT WAS BROUGHT INTO MCKINNEY BACK IN THE NINETIES AND PUT ON THE[02:00:02]
SITE. AND SO IT'S GOING AWAY AGAIN. I THINK THIS WILL BE ITS THIRD CITY THAT IT'S BEEN IN, SO IT'S YEAH, IT MOVED AROUND QUITE A BIT BEFORE IT CAME TO MCKINNEY AND 90 IN THE NINETIES AND THEN LATE NINETIES AND THEN HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE EDGE. DO WE WILL WE HAVE SOME KIND OF INPUT AS TO THE DESIGN, OR, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF WHAT THEY TALKE MEETING IT, WILL IT E CHARACTERISTIC OF WHAT'S IN THAT AREA OR OR OF COURSE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING THERE. IS THAT CORRECT? DO WE THINK IT'S PROBABLY APARTMENTS, OR WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME MEDALS YET ON THAT, SO I DON'T WANT TO. SPECULATE ON WHAT IT'S GOING TO FINALLY BE IN NO APPLICATION FOR A CHANGE IN THE SUN. NO NO, THAT IS IT'S IN THE MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER DISTRICT.AND SO IT'S THAT'S IT'S UNDERLYING ITS UNDERLYING DISTRICT. AND SO IT HAS A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT IT COULD BE THE SPACE ZONED FOR IT IS ZONED FOR AND BECAUSE IT'S IN THE TOWN CENTER DISTRICT. IT'S IN THE, UM TWO DIFFERENT DIFFERENT. I ACTUALLY THINK ALL THE HOMES ARE IN ONE PART OF IT. BUT THERE IS ZONED FOR ANYTHING FROM YOU PUT ANYTHING THERE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TWO DUPLEXES TO MULTI FAMILY TWO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SO IT CAN BE ANY NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THERE. THE PROPERTY SET THE PROPERTY AREA SOUTH OF THOSE HOMES. THOSE HOUSES WERE DEMOLISHED DECADES AGO. SO THAT'S AN AREA IS ACROSS FROM THE DAVIS ON THE SQUARE.
DAVIS ON THE SQUARE. NO, I DON'T KNOW. THE SURREY HOUSES THEIR STORY HOUSES THERE. YEP AND SO, BUT THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE TENNESSEE. YES NOT ONE OF THEM. THAT'S NOT ONE OF THESE FOUR ARE MOVING AWAY. SO IT'S FOUR THAT IT'S FIVE. IT'S FIVE. SORRY IT'S BECAUSE IT'S FIVE. BUT ONE OF THOSE FIVE IS THE ONE THAT'S BEEN TO ALL THE DIFFERENT CITIES. AND SO IN MY IT'S THE THERE'S FOUR THAT WERE FROM MCKINNEY AND THEN THE FIFTH ONE THAT IT IS A TRANSPLANT. ORWELL OR SOMEWHERE ELSE? YEAH BEFORE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION. AND BE AND WILL THERE BE SOME SORT OF DESIGN RESTRICTIONS? THAT WILL KEEP IT KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA. UM YES. OKAY UM SO WELL, OKAY, SO IT HAS TO HAVE A SEAT HAS TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ITS DESIGN. BUT IT'S ALSO IN MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER DISTRICT. AND I'M NOT. YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT SUPER FAMILIAR WITH MCKINNEY TOWNS IN THE DISTRICT, BUT I'M CONFUSED ON YEAH, SO WE DRINKS WE DID A TOWN CENTER STUDY IN THE MID TWO THOUSANDS. WHERE WE HAD A BIG MULTI MULTI MONTH PROCESS OF COMMUNITY INPUT IN THE CITY DEVELOPMENT TO COME UP WITH THE PLAN FOR THE TOWN CENTER. AND OUT OF THAT CAME THE MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER DISTRICT ZONING ORDINANCE. IT'S A PEDAGOGY OF OUR CURRENT LEARNING ORDINANCE.
AND WITH THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN CHARACTER DISTRICTS IN THAT ZONE. UM THAT HAVE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDINGS AND PROPERTIES THAT GO IN THERE, SO THERE'S NUMBERS OF USES. THAT CAN HAPPEN. JUST LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. THERE'S NUMBERS OF FORMAT, A NUMBER OF FORMATS OF BUILDING TYPES THAT CAN BE THERE AGAIN LIKE ANYWHERE MANY OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY BUT IN THE TOWN CENTER DISTRICT THERE ARE EXCUSE ME. THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS AS OR THERE ARE GUIDELINES. LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. THERE ARE GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT KIND OF HEIGHTS THERE CAN BE. WHAT KIND OF MATERIALS CAN BE USED? WHAT SHAPE SINCE SIZING SIGHTINGS AND, UM. ROOF FORMS AND THINGS THAT CAN BE USED ON THOSE PROPERTIES SO THAT THEY COULD WITH THE IDEA INTO INTACT THAT THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY DEVISED IN COORDINATION WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THE TOWN CENTER STUDY. I KNOW WHEN THEY DID THE DAVIS APARTMENTS WITH THEY HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS, PEOPLE WENT, AND THEY GAVE INPUT AS TO WHAT THEY WANTED THAT AREA TO LOOK LOOK LIKE. SO THAT WAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PROJECT BECAUSE THAT WAS BECAUSE THAT WAS A PRIVATE. IT WAS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP KIND OF THING WITH THE CITY. ANOTHER GROUP, AND THAT WAS BEFORE MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS JUST BEFORE THE TOWN CENTER ORDINANCE CAME INTO PLAY. OH, OR THEY WERE LIKE NECK AND NECK. YEAH BUT IF YOU LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANT TO READ UP MORE ON WHAT THE MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER IS ITS APPENDIX G OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE UNIQUE. IT'S A UNIQUE AREA OVER THERE. THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND DEFINED WITH HOMES. I MEAN MOST OF US HOMES. ALONG THAT STREET ART OFFICES OR AT LEAST ON
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TENNESSEE, TENNESSEE. I MEAN, BYE. SO IT'S OPEN TO VERY THEY CAN BUILD, I GUESS. REALLY, IT COULD BE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THEY CAN PERMITS OR KEEP ARE JUST KIND OF IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN KIND OF UM, KEEP US UPDATED AS TO BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE, UM SO, SO, JUST TO ANSWER BETTY'S QUESTION, UM SO ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW, ANY PROJECT OF THAT SCALE IS GOING TO SHOW UP ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETINGS, AND SO ONCE IT BECOMES A PROJECT THAT YOU KNOW, IS MOVING FORWARD. IT WILL SHOW UP ON THAT PLANNING RESOURCES MAP THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. UM AND LIKE WE'RE COLOR STREET MANNERS ON THAT MAP , AND YOU CAN GO LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED. SO ONCE THAT'S DONE, YOU CAN DO THAT. REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THINGS LIKE THAT WITH US, AND YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP MY EYES OPEN. BUT IF YOU THAT'S COMING UP, AND YOU COULD SHARE THAT WITH US ONCE IT'S ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA. HE WAS ON THE SQUARE AS PART OF THAT ZONE. PART OF THE TOWN CENTER ZONE. IT IS NOW. YES. MM HMM. BECAUSE I DOWNTOWN FULLY. I MEAN, IS THAT FALL AS ARE ALL OF THOSE NO IDEA. I KNOW THAT, UM BECAUSE MY DENTIST IS RIGHT THERE. AND THEY WERE LIKE WHEN THEY CAME OUT WITH IT. I THINK THEY WENT TO SOME OF THE MEETINGS AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM, AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ALL THESE LITTLE RESTAURANTS AND STUFF. SO THEY DO HAVE NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. THEY HAVE SOME RETAIL, I THINK LIKE ONCE AGAIN, LIKE A MASSAGE. THERE'S A GOOD ONE. I COULD BE WRONG. IT'S SWITCHES. I THINK THERE IS SOME RETAIL IS YEAH, THERE'S AT LEAST A BUSINESS DOWN THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT RETAIL THERE IS. BUT THERE'S A THERE'S AN OFFICE DOWN THERE AT LEAST TO WALK TO THE FARMERS MARKET LIKE TENNESSEE AND WHAT IS THAT STREET? UM ANTHONY OR DAVIS OR AVOID DOWN THERE IS. TECHNICALLY BUSINESSES THINK SOME OF IT GOES WITH DAVIS. BUT. I WAS JUST WONDERING, CAUSE I KNOW LIKE THEY YOU KNOW THEY HAD THIS PERCEPTION, AND I DID, TOO. I THOUGHT I HAD READ IT FROM SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PUT OUT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE KIND OF AN EXTENSION, BUT A LITTLE MORE MODERN EXTENSION WHERE THERE WILL BE MORE SHOPS AND A LITTLE PLACES TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE COFFEE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND I'M LIKE WE'VE GOT THE SPACE DOWN THERE. IT'S JUST NOT YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M WORKING LIKE THAT. I WOULD HATE TO SEE A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, EMPTY SPACES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SEVERAL, EVEN IN THE HISTORIC AREA THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE SOME TURNOVER, BUT I MEAN, WE ALWAYS HAVE TURNOVER AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE A LOT LESS TURNOVER NOW THAN A LOT LESS EMPTY SPACES NOW THAN WE DID 10 YEARS AGO. SO OH, YEAH WAY LESS PHASES. I MEAN, I THINK COVID HIT IT A LITTLE BIT TOO. SO, YEAH, NOW IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. LIKE ALL THE BUILDINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALL GOING UP IN VALUE. SO THAT MEANS YOU KNOW, LITTLE SHOPS RIGHT GO UP AS WELL. SO, DEPENDING WHO OWNS THOSE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW? THIS IN TURN OVER AS WELL. SO. HEY SHOULD HAVE WELCOMED MEGAN ESKIMO. YES, SHE IS OUR ALTERNATE CHRIS. TOM IS HE'S A SITTING MEMBER NOW. AND MEGAN IS OUR NEW ALTERNATE. SO WELCOME. I'M SORRY I WAS NOW I WILL TELL YOU. THE MEETINGS ARE USUALLY NOT THE SMALL. WE HAD A BIG AGENDA TODAY. WE DID OKAY. BUT THAT BEING SAID DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? OKAY AND DO I HAVE A 2ND 2ND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND. PROPOSED OKAY* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.