Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by Robert Smith for Approval of a Historic Marker for the Property Located at 215 North Morris Street.

[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Matthew Horner for a Level 3 (Preservation Level) Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption for the Property at 517 Heard Street.]

A REQUEST BY MATTHEW HORNER FOR A LEVEL THREE. PLEASE PRESERVATION LEVEL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE PROPERTY AT 5 17 HEARD STREET CASSIE BUMGARNER GOING TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. SO I'M BACK WITH THE

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PRESENTATION FOR THE H AND C APPLICATION FOR 5 17 WEST HEARD STREET THE OWNER IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. UM, BUT THEY ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE PRESERVATION INCENTIVE, WHICH IS THE 30% TAX EXEMPTION OF THE CITIES THAT FORM TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS. THE CRITERIA FOR THE LEVEL THREE PRESERVATION INCENTIVE ARE AS FOLLOWS. THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IS AT LEAST 40 YEARS OLD. AND THIS HOME WAS BUILT CIRCA 1915. THE OWNER RECEIVES A LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY FROM THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, VERIFYING THAT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS QUALIFY AND THEY RECEIVED THAT LETTER ON JULY 20TH FOR FOUNDATION REPAIRS. AND THEN NO LEADER.

THEN 12 MONTHS FOLLOWING THE ISSUANCE OF THAT LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY. THEY CAUSE OR COMPLETE TO BE CAUSE OR CAUSES TO BE COMPLETED, VERIFIED ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS. HAVING A COMBINED COST OF AT LEAST 5000. SO THEY GOT THAT LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY JULY 20TH OF THIS YEAR. AND THEY HAVE SINCE COMPLETED THE WORK OF THE FOUNDATION ADJUSTMENT FOR 5000.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST KIND OF SO SHOWING SOME OF THE INTERIOR. DAMAGES BECAUSE OF THAT'S HOW THEY KNEW THAT THE FOUNDATION WAS HAVING SOME ISSUES. THERE WERE SEATS FOR THAT FOUNDATION REPAIR WHERE ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET. AND THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS PRESERVATION LEVEL H AND IZ APPLICATION FOR 5 17 WEST CHURCH STREET. OKAY? OKAY SO WE KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. BUT IF THERE'S ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASSIE OR. RIGHT? TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. OKAY THAT BOARD MEMBER WEST. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND MEMBER? ODELL? WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY ANY BUDDY ANYMORE DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND. PROPOSED OKAY PASSES. UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU, KASIE. THANK YOU. I HAVE TO SAY IT. THAT'S ALL IT TAKES TO GET A FOUNDATION REPAIR THAT WE NEED. FOUNDATION OF THAT PICTURE . LOOKS LIKE MY HAT WHERE THEY. OKAY ALRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 22. 1087 DISCUSSION, DISCUSS

[Discuss opportunities for Historic Preservation in McKinney.]

OPPORTUNITIES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN MCKINNEY POLLEN. ASTA WILL MAKE OUR PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS. OKAY, LET ME GET THIS. I'M SORRY . WHERE'S MY SPOT? ALRIGHT SO A FEW MONTHS AGO. FEW MONTHS AGO. NOW WE WENT TO COUNCIL AND GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM ON THINGS TO INVESTIGATE FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM HISTORY PRESERVATION PROGRAM IN MCKINNEY OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, COMING YEARS WE LEFT WITH A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE SAID WE WOULD COME BACK WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION ON SOME OF THEIR QUESTIONS. AND SO THIS IS KIND OF A PRECURSOR TO THAT GOING BACK TO THE BOARD TO EXCUSE ME TO THE COUNCIL WITH THOSE FEW POINTS OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAD, AND SO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS NOW AND SOME POSSIBILITIES FOR THE FUTURE, WITH THE HOPE OF GETTING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS BOARD ON WHAT TO TAKE TO COUNSEL AND YOU KNOW THE FUTURE JUST TO GIVE THEM SOME OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SO ALRIGHT, SO CURRENT CONDITIONS. UM WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THIS OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE HAD THE TRAINING IN SEPTEMBER ON STORE PRESERVATION, BUT JUST TO KIND OF REVISIT THAT WE HAVE REGULATION REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE OUTREACH AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS IN THE CITY FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND THEN WE HAVE THE INCENTIVES WHICH WE ARE PRETTY WELL VERSED IN. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE INCENTIVES OF HUMAN IT'S AGO, BUT WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEM HERE. SO THE CURRENT PROGRAM THE CONTINUING INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH PRESERVATION IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, WE KNOW IS TO CONTINUE WITH OUR INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. WE HAVE THE PROGRAM, WHETHER IT'S THE MARKER OR THE TAX ABATEMENTS OR THE COMBINATION THEREOF. WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE PROGRAM, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO PUT COMPATIBLE STRUCTURES ENCOURAGE COMPATIBLE STRUCTURES ON EMPTY LOTS IN THE DISTRICT. AND THAT ACTUALLY GREATER H S A AREA THAT THAT KIND OF LARGER AREA OUTSIDE OF THE LITTLE TREE SHAPE THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE HAVE THE TOURS INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT ALTHOUGH THE TOURISTS KIND OF GRANDER AND ADDRESSES MORE ITEMS THAN JUST HISTORIC STAFF, ONE OF THE ASPECTS WHERE THE CATEGORIES UNDER WHICH TOURS MONEY CAN BE GRANTED IS FOR THE REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC FACADES. SO WE HAVE THAT

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PROGRAM, WHICH REALLY BENEFITS THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES BECAUSE IT'S PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL. WE HAVE OUR OUTREACH AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS WITH OUR TOURS, WALKS AND WE'VE KIND OF DABBLED IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA BIT A LITTLE BIT. WE DID SOME OF THAT. WITH THE PRESERVATION MONTH POSTINGS ON THE CITY'S INSTAGRAM PAGE BACK IN THE SPRING, AND WE'RE WORKING ON DEVELOPING SOME NEW ONES, SO WE HOPE TO KIND OF ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN THAT WAY A LITTLE BIT MORE. CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING? AS FAR AS THE TOURS AND THE TALKS. WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE HAVE YOU GOTTEN? ON THOSE IS THAT SO I WENT TO ONE AND THERE THEY WERE NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE THERE. BUT YES, THAT'S TRUE. SO THE TALKS HAVE BEEN WELL LET LESS WELL ATTENDED . WE'VE HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE OCCUR COME TO THOSE, UM AND SO WE MAY HAVE TO REVISIT HOW WE DO THOSE AND HOW MAYBE HOW THIS COMMUNICATION AND THE INFORMATION IS DISSEMINATED. WE DID HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE TWO AT THE LIBRARY RECENTLY WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE OF THEM . WE HAD SET UP WITH ZOOM THE OTHER ONE. WE DIDN'T HAVE SET UP A ZOOM BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THE FACILITIES AT THE LIBRARY. SO MAYBE THAT'S UM, YOU KNOW, DOING IT THROUGH ZOOM IS MORE EFFECTIVE WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IN THE PAST, UM, GUIDED ONE OF THOSE AT WORK IN MCKINNEY VIDEOS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HOW MANY CLICKS OR HOW MANY VIEWS THAT VIDEO HAS GOTTEN OVER THE YEARS. I COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. BUT I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS OFF HAND. AS FAR AS THE TOURS. WE HAVE BEEN DOING AT LEAST TWO A MONTH, ONE ON TUESDAYS AND ONE ON SATURDAYS. THOSE WE HAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 12. PEOPLE AT UM, AS A KIND OF THE GENERAL NUMBER, AND THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TOURS THAT WE DO IN COORDINATION WITH VISIT MCKINNEY . REALLY MOST OF THEM ARE DONE WITH VISIT MCKINNEY. BUT WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THOSE THAT WERE SPECIAL OUTREACH TOURS, WHERE, LIKE A SENIOR CENTER FROM DENTON CAME INTO TOWN AND WE HAD A GROUP OF PEOPLE COME FROM THAT WE'VE HAD A HOME SCHOOL GROUP THAT CAME AND THAT WE HAD, LIKE 25 OR 30. PEOPLE FROM, UM AND THEN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, GET DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM OTHER CITIES AND AS PART OF THEIR TOUR OF MCKINNEY FOR THE WHOLE DAY, THEY'LL OUTCOME AND DO A TOUR WITH US. THEY MIGHT GO DO THE ART TOUR THAT MR MCKINNEY HAS. THEN THEY'LL GO HIT UP ALL THE RESTAURANTS AND THE SHOPS. AND SO WE USUALLY DO THOSE TOURISTS LAND RIGHT BEFORE LUNCH OR RIGHT AFTER SO THEY CAN GO EAT IN TOWN, TOO, AND THEN WE, UM, WE HAVE A SERIES OF TOURS THAT WE GIVE TO THE EMPLOYEES AS WELL. FOR THEIR NEW EMPLOYEE ORIENTATION AND THINGS MAYBE NOT LISTENING. WHEN? WHEN YOU SPOKEN. DID YOU SAY WE'RE REACHING OUT TO CITY, OTHER CITIES AND GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY REACH WE DON'T DIRECTLY REACH OUT TO THOSE OTHER CITIES FOR THEM TO DO THE TOURS BECAUSE THE TOURS ARE KIND OF THAT THAT THE MARKETING THERE WE GO.

THAT'S THE WORD I WANT. THE MARKETING FOR THE TOURS IS HANDLED BY VISIT MCKINNEY. THEY HAVE IT LISTED ON VISIT MCKINNEY'S WEBSITE AS SOMETHING THAT WE OFFER THE IN PERSON WALKING DOORS AS WELL AS THE ONLINE VIRTUAL TOURS, AND SO THEY WILL CONTACT VISIT MCKINNEY. AND SAY, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO WHEN WE'RE IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY FOR THIS DAY? AND CAN WE DO A TOUR AND SO THEN WE COORDINATE. WHO WE CAN GET TO GIVE THEM THAT TOUR. SO JUST KIND OF THINKING. LOTS OF ORGANIZATIONS HERE. IN THE CITY . ANYTHING FROM SUNDAY SCHOOLS TOO. HOW C AND OR THE AL CLUB? MM YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE FROM I KNOW YOU HAVE PLENTY TO DO AS IT IS, BUT FROM A PROACTIVE STANDPOINT. REACHING OUT TO ORGANIZE THOSE TOURISM. BECAUSE WE'RE COUNTING ON PEOPLE TO COME TO US RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT MAYBE PUSHING OUT A LITTLE BIT AND ACTIVELY MARKETING OR SOLICITING. THOSE GROUPS. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, I SAID SUNDAY SCHOOL CLASSES DIRECT TALK DIRECTLY TO THE CHURCH. UM THAT'S A POSSIBILITY HERE. I DON'T KNOW. LIKE I SAID, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A LOT TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, WE HAVE SPOKEN AT THE KATANAS BEFORE AND THEN, UM, TIM AND MALLORY HAS SPOKEN AT QANTAS BEFORE AS WELL. SO I DID IT. ONE YEAR THEY DID IT. THE NEXT YEAR. WE'VE COORDINATED WITH CHESTNUT SQUARE ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. I HAVE A PRESENTATION AT THE MCKINNEY, D A R CHAPTER THIS NEXT WEEKEND, SO THEY REACHED OUT AS WELL. SO WE'RE WORKING ON IT. WE'RE JUST SLOWLY BUILDING IT UP. AND THAT IS A IS A CONSIDERATION BECAUSE REALLY GETTING THAT KIND OF THE WORD OUT EVEN IN WITHIN MCKINNEY, KIND OF TO THE WESTERN NEIGHBORHOODS OF MCKINNEY THAT DON'T ALWAYS COME DOWNTOWN JUST TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENCOURAGE AND COME DOWNTOWN.

HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOCIAL MEDIA MIGHT HELP WITH THAT PUSH TO GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE ENGAGED IN THAT GIVING TOURS TO THE FIREMAN. IS THAT SO? THAT WAS TODAY YOU SAW THE GAGGLE OF US GOING AROUND AND I COULDN'T I WAS LOOKING FOR YOU OR CASSIE AND I SWEAR THAT'S LIKE THE SECOND GROUP OF FIREMEN AND I WAS WONDERING IF THEY WERE DOING THE HISTORIC TOUR AND I WASN'T

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SURE THEY WERE SO PART OF THAT NEW EMPLOYEE ORIENTATION THAT WE DO IS A TOUR. SO LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT I DO A TOUR WITH THEM, AND TODAY'S GROUP JUST HAPPENED TO BE A LARGE NUMBER OF FIREMEN, AND SO THEY WERE ALL IN THEIR RED JACKETS AROUND AND I WAS LOST IN THAT LITTLE HUDDLE OF PEOPLE. I SWEAR I'VE SEEN THE FIRE TWICE, AND I WAS LIKE IS THAT I WAS LIKE A CASTING PAUL MIXED UP IN THERE, AND I CAN'T TELL US THAT. YES CURIOUS. DO WE MAKE ANY EXTRA EFFORTS. DURING UM ARE FESTIVALS AT ALL TO REACH OUT. SO NOT ALWAYS DURING THE FESTIVALS. UM WE DON'T NECESSARILY THEN THERE ARE THERE IS INFORMATION WITH VISIT MCKENNEY THAT THEY HAVE WHEN THEY ARE LITTLE BOOTH WHEN THEY DO THE TOURS, UM BUT I THINK I'M NOT NOT SO MUCH WITH THE FESTIVALS WE DO DO WE DO HAVE MORE OUTREACH DURING PRESERVATION MONTH IN MAY, WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET OUT TO MORE OF THE GROUPS AND BE IT MORE OF THE EVENTS, BUT BUT NOT ALWAYS, UM THAT IS SAYING HOW MUCH MORE CAN LOAD UP ON YOU LIKE THERE. THERE ARE YEARS WHEN I VOLUNTEER AND WORK AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT EVENTS. SO LIKE I DID ARTS AND BLOOM LAST YEAR, AND, UM ONE OF THE T. M. R S. SO YOU KNOW DIFFERENT ONES THERE, SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON KIND OF MY AVAILABILITY AND WHAT I CAN MAKE IT TO THOSE EVENTS. OR OUR AVAILABILITY NOW THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE OF ME. UM I DID HAVE A QUESTION I KNOW WERE YOU MENTIONED JUST DABBLING IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA. WHAT IS KIND OF WITH OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM. WHAT IS THE GOAL WITH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA LIKE, ARE WE TRY. WHAT IS IT TRYING TO EDUCATE ON ON WHAT ASPECTS LIKE THINGS GRANTS THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR? IS IT JUST EDUCATING ON? HISTORIC PROPERTIES WE HAVE HERE. WHAT WHAT IS SO WHAT WE DID THIS SUMMER OR THIS SPRING? WHEN WE DID IT WAS WE TRIED TO FOCUS ON THE PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES THAT WE HAD HERE IN MCKINNEY. SO WHAT ARE WHAT ARE DOWNTOWN THINGS WERE SOME OF OUR PROPERTIES. SOME HIGHLIGHTS ON THOSE SOME HIGHLIGHTS ON SOME OF OUR RESOURCES. LIKE ONE OF THEM WAS HIGHLIGHTING THE DIFFERENT STORY MAPS IN, UM, RESEARCH RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE OUT IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO GET MORE INFORMATION, WHETHER IT'S A WEBSITE OR THE LIBRARY STORY MAPS OR LIBRARY RESEARCH PROGRAMS, AND THEN WHEN WE DID THOSE TALKS WITH THE LIBRARY, THE LIBRARIES DID A COUPLE OF THEIR OWN POST TO TRY TO YOU KNOW, GET OUT SOME MORE INFORMATION, TOO, SO IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH COMMUNICATIONS AND LIBRARY, ANFISA MCKINNEY YEAH. AND SO THE OTHER THING WE'RE WORKING ON WITH THE CURRENT HISTORIC PRESERVATION MOVES IS WE HAVE OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PROCESS. WE ARE AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES, WORKING ON KIND OF IMPROVING THAT ADMINISTRATION PROCESS AND SO WE DO NOW HAVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PROCESS AVAILABLE ONLINE THROUGH CSS. JUST STARTED IN THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF WITH THE WITH THE KIND OF CHANGES TO THE IF YOU ARE IN THE PERSON IN THE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT SUBMIT FOR PERMITS AND THINGS YOU KNOW, WE JUST OVERHAULED OUR SYSTEM AND DID AN UPDATE TO IT. AND SO WITH THAT UPDATE AND WITH THE NEW CODE UPDATE WE RELEASED THIS YEAR GOES TO THAT. SO WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE SUBMITTAL THAT WAY SO FAR, BUT IT'S BRAND NEW, AND SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON GETTING THAT UPDATED ON THE WEB PAGE AND GETTING THE APPLICATION PACKET, UM UP THEIR NEW SO THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO GET IT ONLINE, SO THAT'S PROGRESS, AND THAT WILL BE LEADING US INTO THINGS LIKE GETTING THAT MAP ESTABLISHED SO THAT JUST LIKE THE PLANNING RESOURCES MAP WHERE YOU CAN GO LOOK AT THE SITE PLANS THAT ARE IN PROCESS WILL BE ABLE TO GO LOOK AND SEE WHERE THE C E O S HAVE BEEN ISSUED AND ARE IN PROCESS. SO THAT'S IN THE PIPELINE. WE'RE WORKING TO GET IT DONE, SO THOSE WILL BE THAT AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY THAT HASN'T STARTED YET, BUT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE BUDGET IS TO DO OUR NEW HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS IN 2015. THIS WILL BE A NEW ONE COMING IN 2023. SO THE RFU'S WILL BE GOING OUT FOR THAT IN THE LATE WINTER. WELL I GUESS THAT'S TECHNICALLY EARLY WINTER OF 2023 THE SPRING OF 2023, SO WE CAN GET THAT DONE. AND THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS A TO UPDATE THE INFORMATION AND TO INFORM FOR POTENTIAL NEW HISTORIC SPACES, NEW LANDMARKS OR EXPANSION OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT IS WE ARE ANXIOUSLY AWAITING AND PREPARING FOR THAT SO THAT SHOULD BE GOOD. OKAY SO THOSE ARE KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE MAINTAINING AND KEEPING GOING. UM AND SO THEN THERE'S WHAT YOU KNOW WHAT ARE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A STEP WITH STAFF AND WITH SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU, AND WITH COUNCIL IS HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. UM MOVING FORWARD PROGRAM FORWARD. ONE OF THOSE, AS I MENTIONED JUST A MINUTE AGO WAS EXPANDING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT RIGHT NOW. YOU SEE IN

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FRONT OF YOU THAT IS OUR CURRENT HISTORIC DISTRICT, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREA, ALL SHAPED IN THAT LITTLE LITTLE AREA THERE . THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'VE HAD SINCE 1987 WHEN IT WAS FIRST ADOPTED. UM AND SO, UM, ONCE WE GET THAT HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY DONE, WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S OUT THERE. WHAT'S REMAINING WHAT STILL HAS INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER AND SIGNIFICANCE. AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT HOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE. ONCE THAT SURVEY IS DONE , AND THEN ONCE WE'VE GOT THAT INFORMATION, THEN WE CAN MOVE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO ADVANCE AND HAVE MORE LANDMARKS? OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE A BIGGER DISTRICT? HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? SO THAT'S THEIR YOU WILL NOTE. THERE'S SOME INFORMATION THERE ABOUT THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY AND WHATNOT, AND YOU'LL SEE A WEIRD CITATION THAT YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER FROM THAT TRAINING. I GAVE YOU BACK IN THE IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE BACK IN SEPTEMBER, WHEN I GAVE YOU THE TRAINING ALL OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS WERE IN SECTION 1 46 OF OUR CODE. AND THEN IN VARIOUS SECTIONS. 96 97 1 68, ETCETERA. WELL ON NOVEMBER 15TH, THE CITY ADOPTED THEIR NEW UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THAT REARRANGED THINGS AND SO ON YOUR DESK SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE IT HOME AND PUT IT IN YOUR NOTEBOOKS. YOU HAVE THE NEW PAGES. OF THE ORDINANCES THE INFORMATION FROM CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS STAYED. THIS IS THE SAME CONTENT SO WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS . UM, WE CHANGED THE WE CHANGE THE ORDER OF WHERE THINGS WENT RELABELED THE DISTRICTS FROM TWO SEPARATE DISTRICTS TO ONE DISTRICT WITH AREAS IN IT, BUT THAT'S ALL THERE. AND SO THAT TWO OH, THREE, UM WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST 1 46 1 68. BUT NOW IT'S 203 C FOUR. SO YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF THOSE AND THERE WHERE YOU'LL SEE IN THERE. THERE'S LIKE A PINK HIGHLIGHTER. THAT'S WHERE OUR STUFF STOP STARTS. SO BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S ORGANIZED. OKAY UM OTHER THINGS SO OTHER POSSIBILITIES FOR THE FUTURE. MANY CITIES HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A PRESERVATION PLAN. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON THE CITY WIDE SCALE. THE PRESERVATION PLAN IS KIND OF A SMALLER VERSION THAT REALLY ADDRESSES THE PRESERVATION DISTRICT. WHATEVER YOUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAYS ARE, AND SO THE IDEA BEHIND THE PRESERVATION PLAN IS TO GIVE A STATEMENT OF GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. OF WHERE YOU WANT HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO GO IN YOUR PARTICULAR CITY HELPS ANTICIPATE WHERE YOU MIGHT NEED TO DO IS ADDITIONAL SURVEYS AND THE FUTURE OF MAPPING THEM OUT. IT'S REALLY JUST A GENERAL IT'S A GENERAL PLAN OF HOW YOU WANT TO APPROACH PRESERVATION. OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE NOT HAD A FORMAL WRITTEN PRESERVATION PLAN HERE IN MCKINNEY YET SO IT IS A POSSIBILITY YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS LITTLE GRAPH ON THE SIDE THAT SOME OF OTHER CITIES AROUND DO, UM MOST OF THOSE CITIES THAT HAVE A PRESERVATION PLAN OR ALSO SEE LG CITIES. AND SO THEY HAVE A EITHER A BIGGER OR MORE. IN SOME CASES, MORE HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT THEY HAVE TO MANAGE. AND SO THAT'S THE PRESERVATION PLAN IS HELPFUL BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE DISTRICTS THAT YOU'RE JUDGING LIKE THAT DALLAS FORT WORTH AND SAN ANTONIO. OR MAYBE YOU JUST HAVE A SLIGHTLY BIGGER AREA. AND SO THAT THAT'S ONE OPTION FOR THE FUTURE. AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN THAT LITTLE PROGRESS BAR AT THE BOTTOM THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS ONE YET, SO THERE'S NO PROGRESS. SO DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS, DESIGN GUIDELINES OR STANDARDS ARE ANOTHER MEANS OF MOVING THE PROGRAM. THOSE GENERALLY PROVIDE PARAMETERS FOR HOMEOWNERS OR BUSINESS OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE CHANGING THEIR BUILDINGS. NOW AS I MENTIONED IN THE PAST, SOME HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE GREAT, AND THEY HAVE ALL MID CENTURY MODERN OR ALL CRAFTSMEN OR ALL VICTORIAN. WE HAVEN'T HAD 20 PLUS RIGHT AND A LOT OF REALLY VERNACULAR STYLES AND VERNACULAR STYLES BEING IT'S A STYLE, BUT IT'S KIND OF MIXED UP STYLE. AND SO THAT YOU KNOW IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE FOR US. BUT IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP ENCOURAGE TO HELP IMPROVE THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY. ON YOU KNOW WHAT THINGS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT YOU'LL SEE ON THIS ONE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PROGRESS OF PROGRESS ON THIS BECAUSE BACK IN 2002. WE LOOKED AT DOING THIS AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THERE WERE SOME DRAFT PROGRAM A DRAFT GUIDELINES THAT CAME THROUGH BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T GET ANYWHERE WITH IT. IT KIND OF GOT TO THE DRAFT POINT.

AND THEN IT WAS LEFT BEHIND, FOR WHATEVER REASON TO WHO WAS THAT? I MEAN THERE WAS A MEETING. WAS IT? WAS IT A COMMUNITY MEETING? THERE WERE TWO AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD WITH IT. AND THEN SOME FOLLOW UP MEETINGS. AND SO, UM HERE. WE HAVE SOME, UM, I SAW A LETTER

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THIS PAST WEEK WHERE GUY HAD SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT THAT THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS FOR THAT. SO THERE ARE AT LEAST THAT MANY THERE MAY HAVE BEEN MORE BUT THERE AT LEAST THAT MANY AND THAT REALLY HAPPENED 2000 TO 2004 IN THAT TIME FRAME. UM AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE AGAIN, MANY CITIES HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. WE OF THE CITIES THAT WE TEND TO CALL OUR SISTER CITIES AND LOOK AT WE ARE ALONE AND NOT HAVING THEM SO THEY'RE THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S GUIDELINES TO HELP ENCOURAGE CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AND USUALLY HAS A LOT OF ILLUSTRATIONS IN IT TO GIVE ILLUSTRATIONS. IT'S KIND OF, UM IT'S KIND OF A. MORE BASIC VERSION IN SOME WAYS OF THINGS LIKE OUR MTC CODE. SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE LOOKED AT THAT IN THE PASSWORDS GOT ALL THOSE PICTURES IN IT, IT SAYS. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS APPROPRIATE, AND HERE'S A DIAGRAM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S THAT IDEA THAT YOU GET THAT KIND OF GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATION, ALONG WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. IT'S MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR YOU IF YOU HAVEN'T IN MANY WAYS. YEAH, AND FOR AND FOR Y'ALL WHEN YOU HAVE DEMOS AND CHANGES, PARDON BETTER FOR PEOPLE TO TRY AND MAKE YES, IT GIVES GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE. UNDERSTANDING. WHAT? WHAT THERE IS AND IT MAY GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO WHAT A CRAFTSMAN STYLE LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT A BUNGALOW LOOKS LIKE. OR WHAT A FOLK VICTORIAN LOOKS LIKE. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS REASONING. WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS YET. JUST BECAUSE LIKE YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT STYLES OF HOMES. IS IT HARD TO PUT THEM ALL? WHAT PEOPLE CAN BUILD DOWN HERE OR WE HAD A DRAFT BACK IN 2002, SO I HAVEN'T READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING YET BECAUSE IT'S IN A THREE INCH BINDER. SO IT WAS. IT WAS PRETTY PRETTY THICK, SO YOU KNOW, AND THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THAT. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF YOU KNOW THAT SOME SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO OR NOT WANT TO DO. AND SO THAT WOULD BE. YOU KNOW ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WOULD GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL AND THEN IT WOULD BE A PROCESS OF HOW THAT HAPPENED. AND AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD BE VERY WELL INFORMED BY AN UPDATED RESOURCE SURVEY BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE LAST TIME WE DID THE RESEARCH THAT COMPREHENSIVE RESOURCE SURVEY WE REALLY ONLY WENT TO 2000 FROM 2005. AND SO THAT WAS ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO NOW AND SO WE'VE REACHED IN THE TIMELINE OF ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY WHOLE, ANOTHER PERIOD OF DESIGN STYLES THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE INCORPORATED INTO OUR CURRENT LIST OF STYLES. SO THAT WHOLE LIKE MID CENTURY MODERN 19 SEVENTIES BRUTALIST ERA SPACE, THAT'S ALL THAT'S ALL THERE.

WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS BOARD A YEAR AGO OR SO. I BROUGHT IT. BUT TWO DIFFERENT FAMILIES THAT I HAD SPOKEN WITH. AND THEY HAD PURCHASED THE HOME AND INTENDED TO DO SOME CHANGES TO IT THAT WERE DENIED. AND RIGHTFULLY SO. I'M NOT NOT. TRYING TO DEFEND THEM, BUT THEY WERE CLUELESS.

YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DIDN'T KNOW. AND AT THE TIME I BROUGHT UP A SOLUTION. WHAT IF WE HAD SPECIALIZED REAL ESTATE AGENTS THAT KIND OF A ALMOST A FELLOW CERTIFICATION THAT THERE'S SOMEONE WHO KNEW THE GUIDELINES. UH AND WHAT THINGS YOU COULDN'T COULDN'T DO. THE DIFFICULT THING WAS SOMEONE HAD DONE IT ACROSS THE STREET. YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS EARLIER, AND THEY'RE LIKE, I JUST WANT TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND HE'S LIKE, I CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. AND, UM AND SO I LIKE THE IDEA AND I I'M NOT IN A LITTLE SCARED OF A THREE INCH BINDER. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO READ THAT YOU HAVEN'T READ IT , AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING. UM AND BUT MAYBE A MORE REALISTICALLY USABLE. FINDER SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO BUY WITH THE IDEA OF MAKING CHANGES. THAT HAS SOME GUIDANCE AND A LOT OF THAT THAT THREE INCH NOUS RIGHT THAT CAN BE CHANGED DEPENDING ON HOW YOU HOW YOU REPORT YOUR DATA AND HOW YOU ORGANIZE IT. I'VE WRITTEN THEM BEFORE. AND THEY'VE BEEN ABOUT 25 PAGES TO 45 PAGES. SO YOU KNOW THAT WAS MUCH SMALLER, MUCH SMALLER AREAS, BUT, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW YOU ORGANIZE IT. YOU NEED CHAPTERS.

FOR EACH ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, RIGHT? SOME OVERLAP, BUT SOME OF IT THEY'LL BE THERE WOULD BE SOME EVER. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT MORE SO IT WOULD IT WOULD TAKE MORE. YOU KNOW, MORE REVIEW AND MORE PROCESS AND MORE DISCUSSIONS, BUT CODE STUFF THAT WHICH IS CONFUSING BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY HOUSES THAT VIOLATE OUR CURRENT CODE, BUT WERE DONE BEFORE THE CODE WAS ESTABLISHED.

AND SO PEOPLE WHO BUY IN THINK I CAN DO THAT I CAN I CAN HAVE THAT SPACE IN BETWEEN LOTS OR WHATEVER. AND THEY CAN'T. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S NOT YOU. THAT'S THE FIRE CODE, YOU KNOW, OR THE BUILDING CODE OR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE? YEAH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO HELP ADDRESS WITH THE NEW UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THAT THOSE KIND OF

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DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE YOU'RE MENTIONING THERE ARE MORE EASY TO UNDERSTAND. SO IF YOU NOT IN THE PAGES THAT YOU HAVE TODAY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PRESERVATION PAGES, AND THERE AREN'T PICTURES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, REALLY. BUT IF YOU SIT AND GO THROUGH THE NEW UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THAT IS ONLINE. YOU'LL SEE. WE HAVE ALL NEW PICTURES TO TRY TO MAKE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION A LITTLE BIT CLEARER FOR RESIDENTS, SO WE'RE WORKING THAT WAY. ONE OTHER DIGITAL FORMAT, THEN IT'LL BE SO MUCH EASIER FOR FOLKS TO DRILL DOWN. YES, YOU BUY A HOUSE HOUSE, A STONEBRIDGE RANCH, YOU GET A CD WITH THE RULES IN IT, WHICH 600 PAGES LONG, SO I'M THINKING THAT'S MORE THAN THREE INCHES, QUITE POSSIBLY QUITE POSSIBLY. JOANNA, DID YOU? HOW DO OTHER CITIES HANDLE LIKE EDUCATING THEIR REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND HISTORIC DISTRICT? SOME CITIES? UM DALLAS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SOME PEOPLE ABOUT AND THEY HAVE THROUGH NOT SO MUCH THROUGH DALLAS, THE CITY BUT THROUGH A I A DALLAS, THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS DALLAS, THEY HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE THEY EDUCATE THEIR ARCHITECTS ON THE NUANCES OF DALLAS, BUT THAT THEY HANDLE IS LIKE A CONTINUING EDUCATION TYPE THING. DALLAS HAS A VERY DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAN WE DO IN A VERY DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE THAN WE DO BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT NUMEROUS DISTRICTS THAT ARE SMALLER AND HAVE VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS THAN WE HAVE. AND SO THAT PROGRAM I HAVE NOT READ COMPLETELY INTO IT YET, BUT THAT PROGRAM WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD DO TRAINING OUR REALTORS, TO SOME EXTENT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS. THE FIRST COUPLE OF PHASES. ELDORADO ARE GETTING ME 40 YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW. YEAH THERE'S THAT WHOLE SECTION JUST WEST OF 75. THOSE OLDER HOMES. THEY ARE OVER NEARLY RANDY LEE AND THAT STUFF . THEY'RE ALL GETTING UP THERE ON 50 YEARS OLD, TOO. SO, SO THAT'S WHY YOU KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS THAT ROOM FOR CHANGE. SO THANKS TO LOOK AT ALL THAT OLD BOTTLE. IT REALLY ISN'T I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. IT REALLY IS NOT WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR PROGRESS BARS SO AND SO WE'VE MADE PROGRESS. WHAT WHAT PROGRESS DO YOU THINK WE'VE MADE ON THIS TO ME? THIS IS A BIG DEAL. AND SO WHAT? PROGRESS WHAT? WE HAVE THAT ORIGINAL DRAFT. AND SO THAT AT LEAST GIVES US SOME SOMETHING TO START WITH 1002 FROM 2002. SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT THAT AT LEAST GIVES US SOMETHING TO START WITH AND SAY, LOOK, WE HAVE AT LEAST A MAST. ALL OF THESE THINGS IN THE PAST AND HAD SOME FEEDBACK SO WE COULD YOU KNOW, IT'S RATHER THAN STARTING COMPLETELY FROM SCRATCH, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT SOMETHING TO MAYBE IT'S JUST ALL EDITS. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT. WHEN YOU'RE WRITING A PAPER. YOU WRITE TOO MUCH SO YOU CAN CUT DOWN WHEN THE PROFESSOR TELLS YOU NEED FIVE PAGES. YOU WRITE 10 RATHER THAN TWO. FOR YOUR FIRST ROUND THAT KIND OF THING, DENTON'S OR OR SOME SIMILAR SIZE AND WE HAVE LIKE WE HAVE A COPY OF PLANO'S ALREADY, UM DEBT AND WE COULD GET ALL OF THOSE WE COULD GET EASIER. DALLAS THE LIKE I SAID THE DIFFERENCE WITH DALLAS IS THEY'VE GOT SMALLER ONES, BUT SO BIG. YEAH DALLAS SAN ANTONIO INNOCENT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A PRETTY GOOD ALLEGORY. SURPRISED I MEAN, I'M SURPRISED CITIZEN HAS ONE. YEAH, FINE. HOW'S THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD WEB PAGE. GREAT. FINE HAS ONE TOO. OKAY ALRIGHT. AND THEN C L G, SO THIS WAS A TOPIC THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE COUNCIL MEETING. UM AND SO WE, UM WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK HERE. WE WILL SAY THAT IN BETWEEN THAT COUNCIL MEETING AND TODAY, THE COLLIN COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSION ALSO HOSTED A WORKSHOP ON C LG LAST LAST WEEK THREE WEEKS AGO TWO WEEKS AGO. TWO WEEKS AGO, AND SO WE HAD. THEY CAME DOWN HERE AND WE'RE AT THE AT THE IMPACT AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT PROGRAM. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A MAP OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM WITH LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PARTNERSHIP TO EMPOWER LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO BETTER PROTECT HISTORIC RESOURCES BY IDENTIFYING LOCAL PRIORITIES. MEETING RECOGNIZED PRESERVATION STANDS STANDARDS AND PROVIDING ACCESS TO FINANCIAL AND TECHNICAL SERVICES. TO HELP FURTHER IDENTIFICATION AND EVALUATION. IT'S REALLY A SUPPORT KIND OF LIKE A SUPPORT PROGRAM WITH C L G PROGRAM. YOU ARE WHEN YOU OR YOUR YOUR CITY OR YOUR COUNTY R C L G, THEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPETE FOR FUNDS FROM A FEDERAL ESTATE FUND THAT IS FUNDED BY FEDERAL FUNDS TO DO THINGS LIKE, UM SOMETIMES IT'S REHABBING A BUILDING. SOMETIMES IT'S DOING DESIGN STANDARDS FOR

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YOUR COMMUNITY. SOMETIMES IT'S WRITING A PRESERVATION PLAN FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. THERE'S DIFFERENT AMOUNTS THERE. AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS MAP, I'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DETAILS IN A SECOND, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS MAP YOU CAN SEE UP HERE IN THE TOP. IT IS. COLLIN COUNTY, RIGHT WHERE IT SAYS PLANE OUT. SORRY, I'M REALLY SHAKING HANDS. PLANO IS THE ONLY CITY IN COLLIN COUNTY THAT HAS A C L G STATUS, AND COLLIN COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE THE L G STATUS. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES NEARBY US THAT DO, THOUGH. SO LIKE, UM COUNTY AND DENTON CITY. UH A BUNCH OF CITIES IN FORT WORTH, TARRANT COUNTY AND THEN DALLAS CITY, HAVE C L. G S AS ARE KIND OF LOCAL NEIGHBORS. AND YOU CAN WE HAVE THE LIST. BY THE WAY, CASSIE PREPARED THIS PRESENTATION, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO GRAPHICALLY ATTRACTIVE.

UNLIKE MY REALLY RUDIMENTARY BASIC ONES, UM AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROGRESS BAR ON HERE IS A LITTLE BIT FARTHER THAN IN THE PAST, AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE 11. I THINK A COURT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT. STATUS THAT YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR WITH THE STATE. YOU APPLY THROUGH THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION, AND THEN THEY REVIEW AND GRANTED APPROVAL. AND SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED. THEY REQUIRE A PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. A WHICH WE HAVE. THEY REQUIRE THE APPOINTMENT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER WHICH WE HAVE THEY ESTABLISH REQUIRE ESTABLISHING A CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHECK MARKS WHAT WE HAVE THEY REQUIRE REVIEW OF ALTERATIONS AND DEMOLITIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECRETARY STANDARDS. THEY REQUIRE AN ANNUAL REPORT ON HP A B OR GENERAL. IT'S CALLED A HISTORIC COMMISSION BUT ON THE HISTORIC COMMISSION IN THE HBO ACTIONS WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A C L G, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WRITE THAT REPORT. THEY REQUIRE HAVING A COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION MUST HAVE DESIGN REVIEW AUTHORITY. HOW MUCH DESIGN REVIEW AUTHORITY. WE DON'T KNOW. THAT HAS TO BE FINALIZED. WE ARE WE HAD ASKED FOR THEM TO GIVE US SOME MORE FEEDBACK ON IT, AND WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THEM TO GET BACK TO US. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL KNOW IN THE NEXT WEEK AND A HALF OR SO. UM AND THEN THERE HAS TO BE THE ABILITY OF THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND DESIGNATION, WHICH WE HAVE THAT AND THEN THEY ALSO FOR THE C. LG REQUIRE THE ENFORCEMENT OF A 60 DAY STAY OF DEMOLITION FOR LANDMARKS AND CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE HAVE THE OPTION TO ASK FOR A 90 DAY STAY OF DEMOLITION ON PROPERTIES IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT NOT IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THE LITTLE COMMERCIAL AREA, WHICH IS THIS THE LITTLE KEY SHAPE AREA IN THE SQUARE, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, WHICH IS IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT THERE IS A SECTION IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN GO AFTER PEOPLE FOR LETTING THEIR HOUSES DEMOLISHED BY NEGLECT. AND SO YOU SEE, WE'RE WE HAVE A LOT OF STEPS DONE. JUST NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THEM. SO WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN? WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT RATHER OF BEING IN THE C L G. AS I MENTIONED GETTING MONEY FROM THE LOCAL FROM THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT GRANT PROGRAM. THAT FIGURE THOSE FIGURES OF HOW MUCH THOSE GRANTS ARE. LOOKING AT MY NOTES LAST YEAR THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT THEY HAVE THE THC HAS GIVEN MONEY FOR THOSE. THE GRANTS HAVE RANGED BETWEEN $32,000 EACH, UM THEY'RE USUALLY TO ABOUT 10 OR SO DIFFERENT C LG PROGRAMS THAT REQUESTED THE GRANT FUNDS AND THEY TOTAL AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT THEY GIVE OUT EVERY YEAR IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 102 $100,000 IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH GRANT APPLICATIONS, LAST YEAR'S FIGURES, I THINK THEY SAID THAT $173,000 WITH THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE AWAY AND THERE'S OUR THREE YEAR CYCLES AND THEY ARE MATCHING GRANTS. SO THEY REQUIRE IF WE WERE TO ASK FOR, SAY, $30,000 GRANT, BECAUSE WE HAPPEN TO GET TO BE A C L G. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE $30,000 WORTH OF EITHER FUNDS OR MEND MAN HOURS WORKED WORK TIME TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE THAT TO HAVE TO HAVE THE MATCH TO GET THE MONEY. AND THEN, UM THE OTHER OPTION. THE OTHER AVAILABILITY OF THOSE GRANT FUNDS IS THAT IT WOULD NOT ONLY BE ELIGIBLE TO THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT. IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW THOSE FUNDS WOULD ALSO BE ELIGIBLE. UM EXCUSE ME ACCESSIBLE IS THE WORD I WANT TO USE. THOSE FUNDS WOULD ALSO BE ACCESSIBLE TO NON PROFITS WITHIN THAT C L G SO LONG AS THE CLD SIGNED OFF ON IT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE COUNTY WERE A C L G, WE COULD GO AND ASK TO BE TO GET A GRANT BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAD A C L G AND WE WERE AND WE GOT THEM TO

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SIGN OFF ON IT AND AGREE THAT YES, IT WAS A VERIFIABLE PROGRAM HERE IN TOWN. IF HEARD CRAIG WANTED TO GET A C L G GRANT AND WE WERE A C L G OR THE COUNTY WAS A C L G. THEY COULD APPLY FOR THAT. IF WHOEVER THE C L G WAS GOT TO APPLY FOR THAT. SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE BENEFIT FROM THAT. THEY ALSO HAVE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. UM FROM THE STATE THAT WE COULD GET AND OR NONPROFITS CAN GET WITH THE C L G STATUS. THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL WORKSHOPS AND TRAININGS. THERE ARE ACTUALLY A NUMBER OF TRAININGS IN PRESERVATION. THEY HAVE ONLINE THAT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE L C L G TO READ OR TO WATCH. SO IF YOU WANT TO CHECK OUT THE THC DOT GOV. C L G SITE THERE'S A BUNCH OF TRAININGS ON PRESERVATION THERE, INCLUDING. I THINK THERE'S A PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN TAKE ENOUGH TRAININGS. AND THEN YOU GET LIKE A LITTLE CERTIFICATE AND SAY YOU COMPLETED ALL THESE TRAININGS. THERE'S LIKE 14, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM. UM AND THE L G IS A KIND OF STANDARD IN THE FIELD OF PRESERVATION. AS YOU SAW FROM. THAT MAP RIGHT THERE, WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF BLOGS. UM SO ONE THING TO POINT OUT C LG STATUS DOES NOT PROVIDE STRONGER REGULATORY PROTECTION OF ANY PROPERTIES. ANY REGULATORY PROTECTION OF PROPERTIES COMES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. AND SO IT WOULD ONLY BE THROUGH ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE. SO WHATEVER THOSE REGULATORY PROCESSES THAT WE ENACT, AS AS OUR COUNCIL WOULD ENACT, WOULD BE HOW ANYTHING THAT COULD BE MORE STRICT OR NOT. AND SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW? COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE A CHANGE TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT DIFFERENT ENFORCEMENT FOR THE DEMOLITION STAYS. LOOK GO BACK TO THAT. SO, YOU SAID ON THE DEMO. LANDMARKS WHAT? WHAT IS THAT? WHAT DO WE DO NOW? WE HAVE UM. FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE HAVE WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES FOR A DEMO. WE HAVE THE OPTION TO APPROVE. APPROVE WITH A 90 DAY DELAY. OR, UM, SEND IT TO THE BOARD FOR DENIAL. AND THE BOARD COULD ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY AS PART OF THAT, APPROVING WITH A 90 DAY AS WELL, BUT IT'S AN OPTION. SO RIGHT NOW, LIKE WHEN WE HAD THE DEMO COME LAST MONTH FOR THE CHESTNUT PROPERTY, Y'ALL JUST STRAIGHT APPROVED THAT IF THAT YOU COULD HAVE SAID, WE WANT A 90 DAY DELAY ON THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO JUST APPROVE IT. WE COULD SAY FINE. YOU CAN DO IT. BUT YOU GOT 90 DAYS AND THE IDEA BEHIND THAT 90 DAYS AND OUR ORDINANCE AND THERE 60 DAYS IS THAT IT GIVES THE COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT AND FIND ADAPTIVE REUSE STRATEGIES FOR A PARTICULAR SPACE SO THAT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A DEMO. WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE COMES AND BUYS THE PROPERTY , OR THEY FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE TO ADAPTIVE REUSE IT RATHER THAN TEAR IT DOWN AND START OVER. SO THAT'S THE IDEA BEHIND IT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION IN OUR COMMERCIAL AREA RIGHT NOW. IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA, IT'S YOU.

YOU APPLY FOR A DEMOLITION AND IT EITHER GETS APPROVED OR DENIED. BY THE BY THE HBO NOT BY THE BOARD. JUST IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, AND SO THE C L G STATUS WOULD REQUIRE IT HAVING 60 DAYS MINIMUM ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ANY ANY HISTORIC PROPERTY.

PRESIDENTIAL AIM COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. YEAH, SO AS FAR AS WELL AS FAR AS WE UNDERSTAND IT UNLESS THEY TELL US SOMETHING DIFFERENT ONCE THEY REVIEWED IN, UM THIS WAS SO I REMEMBER. I WAS AT THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WHEN THEY WERE , IT WAS KIND OF THEY BROUGHT UP THE HPV TURNING INTO A SEAL LG UM AND IT WAS REGARDING THE ICEHOUSE AND THINGS LIKE THIS, PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE 60 DAY. DEMOLITION BUT ALSO THERE. I REMEMBER THEM DISCUSSING THAT THE HP BE TURNING INTO A COMMISSION AND THERE'S CERTAIN RULES LIKE FOR WHO SERVES ON THE BABY. THE KINDS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ARCHITECT, A LAWYER. THINGS LIKE THAT. YES TRUE. AND SO THAT IS HOLD ON. I HAVE A LIST HERE. THAT IS A LIST THAT THEY REQUIRE. THERE BE SO MANY MEMBERS ON THE BOARD AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE AND I THOUGHT I HAD IT AT MY FINGERTIPS, BUT I DO NOT THERE HAS TO BE AN ASSORTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE BOARD THAT HAVE UM, PROFESSIONAL SKILLS AND SO AS WELL AS AS WELL AS RESIDENTS WHO DO NOT. AND SO THE REQUIREMENT WITH THAT IS AND NOW I'M NOT GOING TO FIND IT, BUT IT'S GENERALLY THINGS LIKE THERE HAS TO BE A LAWYER. THERE HAS TO BE AN ARCHITECT OR AN ENGINEER. SOMEONE FROM THE DESIGN PROFESSION. THERE SHOULD BE A REALTOR. THERE SHOULD BE SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY ARE ORDINANCE ALREADY SAYS THAT IN THERE THAT THAT I THINK THE WAY OURS HAS WRITTEN IS WE SHALL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO HAVE AS MANY OF THESE MEMBERS ON THE BOARD AS WE HAVE, AND I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT AND WE HAVE A WE HAVE LAWYERS, SO AND THEN WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE

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HISTORIC DISTRICT WERE CLOSE TO THAT TO THE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. YES, THAT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT IS. IT'S A GUIDELINE, AS I SAY, IS TH CS OR THE C L G REQUIREMENT A REQUIREMENT OR IS IT A I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE PICKY. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK BECAUSE I LOST MY PLACE IN MY NOTE WHERE IT WAS, BUT IT'S IN THERE. I LOOKED IT UP. SO I WAS CURIOUS IF OUR BOARD IF WE MET IT, AS IS AND I THINK IT WAS A REQUIREMENT, AND I'M PRETTY SURE I REMEMBER. IT WAS A KIND OF A LITTLE WHILE AGO AND I THOUGHT WE MET IT JUST BASED ON CURIOUS.

NEVER WE DO NOT HAVE A REALTOR. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A REALTOR. THE REALTOR, RIGHT? NO I WAS GONNA SAY THAT'S WHAT I KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE. BUT WE HAVE MANY OF THE OTHERS SO I SHOULD HAVE BOOKMARKED IT WITH A TAG AND I DIDN'T RECALLED AT THAT. COUNCIL MEETING. THEY DECIDED TO ROUTE ALL DEMOLITIONS BY H P. A. B IS THAT THAT WAS A PREVIOUS ONE. ALL DEMOLITIONS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL AREA, SO THAT'S WHY YOU ALL GOT THAT. THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS KIND OF FUZZY TERM. THAT'S WHY Y'ALL GOT THE CHESTNUT SQUARE BECAUSE THE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE PICTURE HERE NOW. UM SO THE RIGHT SO THIS IS THE WHOLE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE COMMERCIAL AREA IS THAT LITTLE KEY SHAPE THAT IS THE SQUARE. AND THEN THE PIECE THAT JUTS OUT THE HIGHWAY FIVE BETWEEN VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA.

SO THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND SO THAT LITTLE CHESTNUT SQUARE IS JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LOUISIANA AND JUST OUTSIDE OF THE SQUARE BOUNDARY, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT IS IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA. IT'S KIND OF LIKE HAMS IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE IT'S JUST OUTSIDE OF THE SQUARE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS IN IT IS NOT. IT STOPS KIND OF LIKE IT STARTS STOPS AT HERNDON. YEAH SO WHEN? WHEN THE FIRST WHEN THE DISTRICT WAS DRAWN BACK THEN THIS BUILDING WASN'T OLD ENOUGH. THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1953, AND THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET WAS BUILT IN 1963. AND SO THEY WEREN'T 50 YEARS OLD YET AND SO THEY JUST LEFT THEM OUT. SO. BUT I THINK THAT WAS A TEMPORARY THAT BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE DEMOS WAS IT IS A TEMPORARY THING UNTIL WE DO THIS RESEARCH. IS THAT CORRECT UNTIL WE'VE SEEN HOW IT'S GONE, BECAUSE BECAUSE I CAN SEND THEM TO YOU AT ANY POINT IN TIME, AND SO THIS WAS A TEMPORARY THING TO JUST JUST SEND THEM ALL RIGHT TO Y'ALL. IF YOU BECAME A C L G, THOUGH WE, UH IF WE HAD THAT STATUS THAT WOULD NOT. THAT WOULD BE WHAT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WAITING TO FIND OUT. WE'RE WAITING TO.

WE'RE WE'VE WE'VE ASKED. WE'VE GIVEN THEM THE PAGES. Y'ALL HAVE , UM AND SAID, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK. LET US KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT DESIGN REVIEW AUTHORITY REQUIREMENT IS BECAUSE IN 2009, WE LOOKED INTO THIS BEFORE, AND THERE WAS A DIFFERENT PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE C L G AND THEIR ROLES WERE MUCH STRICTER FOR WHAT THAT DESIGN REVIEW AUTHORITY WAS, AND WE WEREN'T COMPLIANT WITH IT AT THAT POINT, AND SO WHETHER WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE HARD TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT THE HOUSE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED OVER BY CASA UM LITTLE BIT EVERYBODY YARD? YES YES, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ART? THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CAPTURED BY THE CURRENT RULES AND THESE RULES THAT CORRECT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NOT CAPTURED. BUT ASK TODAY, IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME TO YOU BECAUSE IT WAS A DEMO BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. YES. YEAH. AND THEN IN THE IF THERE WAS AN ENFORCED 60 DAY OR 90 DAY, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THAT DELAY. SO AND THEN THERE'S YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CHESTNUT STREET THAT HOUSE THAT Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT IT APPROVED LAST MONTH. THAT WAS 30 DAYS AGO. AND THAT HASN'T EVEN CHANGED YET, RIGHT? SO, UM, THAT'S JUST BRINGS TO MIND THEIR SEVERAL HOUSES DOWN CHESTNUT STREET SOUTH CHESTNUT CLEARING RISK AND EASILY DESIGNATED FOR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. AND THERE'S CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE FOCUSED DOWN HERE. YES HE'S DOWN HERE DOWN THERE OVER AND EVEN WEST OF THAT OVER THERE. THE AND THEY'RE PINE CEDAR MILITARY A DOWN THERE? YES THE O THE ONES OUT ON THIS SIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND WHIPS. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FARM. YEAH. THERE ARE A LOT THERE ARE A LOT OF OLDER HOMES THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF OLDER HOMES UP ALONG KENTUCKY STREET AND STUFF, TOO, THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT. YEAH. SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH AND DO THE NEW SURVEY, THAT'S WHEN YOU SAID WE COULD POTENTIALLY EXPAND OUR TREE. POTENTIALLY HOMEOWNER CONSENT OR THREE QUARTERS QUARTERS. OF THE P, N. Z, N COUNCIL, NZ AND COUNCIL IN BOTH . YEAH AND WE DISCUSS IT

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COULDN'T JUST BE BY HOUSEHOLD WHEN IT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONFUSING AND KIND OF TO DO IT BY STREET. IF YOU WERE DOING INDIVIDUAL LANDMARKS THAT COULD BE AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE, BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPAND THE DISTRICT, THE GENERAL BEST PRACTICE NOW IS NOT TO DO THAT.

JUST TRY TO MAKE IT TRY TO MAKE A MORE RECTILINEAR SPACES THAT ARE LESS THIS SIDE OF THE STREET VERSUS THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT ONLY ON THESE TWO BLOCKS, AND THEN IT CHANGES AGAIN ON THESE TWO BLOCKS LIKE THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE. WHERE YOU KNOW THESE ARE OUT AND THESE ARE OUT, BUT THIS IS IN AND THIS IS IN YEAH, THAT THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICE ANYMORE. SO WE CAN GET MORE OF A RECTANGLE POTENTIALLY AFTER OUR SURVEY. YEAH YEAH, BECAUSE WE CAN CALL IT A CHRISTMAS. YEAH WELL, AND PART OF THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IS NOW YOU WOULD JUST SAY IT'S IN THE DISTRICT, BUT IT'S NON CONTRIBUTING RATHER THAN IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN THEY WERE LIKE IT'S JUST IN OR IT'S NOT IN SO, ALTHOUGH THEY DID HAVE CONTRIBUTED NON CONTRIBUTING INTRUSIVE, BUT SEE YA. OKAY? WHERE WERE WE RIGHT THERE. SO THE QUESTION IS, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? DO WE STAKE ON? UM, A MAINTENANCE PATH WHERE WE JUST KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S GOOD. IT'S WORKING. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GOING THAT WAY OR DO WE LOOK AT SOME GROWTH? POTENTIAL PROCESSES, EXPAND DISTRICTS, DESIGN GUIDELINES, PRESERVATION PLANS, OR C L G. SO THIS IS YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE THINKING OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TO THE COUNCIL. BUT BEFORE WE GO, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU DO YOU LOOK AT THAT LIST AND GO? THAT'S JUST TOO MUCH TO BITE OFF AND CHEW.

LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THESE ONE OR TWO THINGS RIGHT NOW AND THEN WE THINK ABOUT THE OTHERS MOVING FORWARD OR DO WE YOU KNOW? WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? WELL, I MEAN BROTHERS. IN A PERFECT WORLD. I MEAN, YOU COULD YOU KNOW WE'RE CLOSE TO SEE LG, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WOULD THAT COULD GIVE US MORE MONEY TO DO THINGS WE COULD GET MONEY TO DO OUR PRESERVATION PLANS AND OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES WITH HAVING THE C L G STAT STATUS RIGHT? THAT GIVES US MONEY TO DO THAT PRESERVATION DESIGN GUIDELINES AND PRESERVATION PLANS COULD BOTH COME OUT OF THE DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT REVIEWS SO UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES COULD BE HELPFUL WITH SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS WE'VE ADDRESSED BEFORE WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DO? ONE OF I'VE HEARD OF CONCERN BOUNCE AROUND. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO IT. BUT HOW MUCH BY BECOMING C. LG HOW MUCH DOES IT ADD TO BUREAUCRACY AND HAVING A SEPARATE ENTITY IN OUR BUSINESS IN TERMS OF SLOWING DOWN PROCESSES. SO THEY DON'T REDO ANY OF THE DAY TO DAY REVIEW THAT WE WOULD BE DOING.

SO THAT THE REGULAR REVIEWS THAT DOESN'T GO TO THEM. THEY DON'T GET THAT. THAT'S STILL JUST IS DONE THROUGH US. THAT REALLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE C L G STATUS IS THEY GET THE. THEY GET THE ANNUAL REPORT ONCE A YEAR. WHEN WE SAY HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND WE WERE TOLD AT THE MEETING THAT THE ANNUAL REPORT IS A SURVEYMONKEY FORM. NOWADAYS AND SO THAT DEFINITELY I THINK I THINK, HE SAID IT TOOK HIM ABOUT A DAY. TO DO IT NOW, SO WE TALKED TO THE HBO AT PLANO . HE WAS AT THE MEETING AND AS THE ONLY C L G IN THE COUNTY, HE WAS LIKE, YEAH, IT TAKES ABOUT A DAY, MAYBE TWO TO DO THE DOCUMENTS. PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENT SYSTEM OF DOING THOSE KEEPING THOSE RECORDS. NOW THAT WE HAVE THINGS IN THE COMPUTER AND YOU KNOW DIGITAL PROGRAMS AND THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE IN 1997 OR 2005. WHEN EVERYTHING WAS PILES AND PILES OF PAPER. SO IF WE SOLICIT FUNDS FROM THE THC , RIGHT? YEAH. WHAT YOU HAVE TO THE WAY IT WORKS IS YOU, UM YOU HAVE TO APPLY BY A CERTAIN DATE IN THE YEAR. AND THEN THEY REVIEW AND APPROVE THE POTENTIAL SPENDING THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE FUNDS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT WITHIN ITS A THREE YEAR CYCLE WITHIN LIKE A 2.5 YEAR TIMELINE AND SO SOMETIMES BIG PROJECTS LIKE DOING A SURVEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY FIT INTO THAT.

BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF TIME OF GETTING A SURVEY DONE AND THEN GETTING IT APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE SMALL PIECES OF A OF A PROJECT AND SO YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET A WHOLE PRESERVATION, FORMAL PLAN DRAFTED AND ADOPTED OR A WHOLE SET OF DESIGN GUIDELINES DRAFTED AND ADOPTED, BUT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A DRAFT DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU WOULD GO FOR THE GRANT MONEY AND IT'S COMPETITIVE, SO YOU'VE GOT TO COMPETE WITH WHOEVER ELSE IS COMPETING THAT YEAR IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, JUST, UM I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS THAT WE DEFINITELY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT EXPANDING OR ADDING DISTRICTS. SEVERAL OF US MENTIONED THAT YEP, AND I THINK WE ALSO PLACED A GREAT DEAL OF IMPORTANCE ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND, UM I. I THINK IT'S PRESERVATION PLAN WOULD BE

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NECESSARY AND WE PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE THAT IF WE EVENTUALLY WENT TO THE C L G CORRECT.

EVENTUALLY SO BY DOING THOSE THREE, WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP. IF WE DO DECIDE TO DO THE LAST STEP, BUT AT LEAST THE FIRST THREE STEPS I THINK WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE PRESERVATION PLAN TO GET YOUR C LG. BUT THEN ONCE YOU'VE GOT IT, THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE A TIMELINE FOR GETTING IT. EXACTLY SO WE'D BE A STEP AHEAD. THIS IMPLIES A LOT OF WORK ON THE STAFF'S PART, RIGHT? RIGHT I WAS GOING TO SAY IN MY OPINION, I MEAN, MRS STUFF THAT COMES THROUGH OUR BOARD AND YOU KNOW, WE SEE OR YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF APPROVAL, AND YOU ARE YOU ARE DOING OFFICE WORK, AND THAT'S THE TIME WE I AGREE WITH WHAT WE VOTE TO IMPROVE, SO ALL THIS EXPANDING AND ADDING DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDES PRESERVATION PLAN, LIKE OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LOVE TO ADD THAT BUT I THINK IT'S MORE IS THE STAFF HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT IS THAT AND Y'ALL STAND WITH TO BE ABLE TO ADD THAT BECAUSE ADDING THOSE THINGS AND EXPANDING AND ADDING REALLY WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT, BUT REALLY, IT WOULD JUST COME. BUT IF YOU DON'T IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOSE HOUSES. YEAH NEVER OBLIGATIONS AS A BOARD. I THINK YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO ADD WORKLOADS OF PEOPLE. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ABOUT, PRESERVING 100% I AGREE. I THINK IT'S GREAT . I WOULD LOVE TO ADD ALL THESE.

I JUST I FEEL LIKE IT'S A IT WAS POSED AS A QUESTION TO ASK, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT IS MORE FOR CITY STAFF, Y'ALL WE HAVE. WE HAVE EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT. THERE'S TWO OF US. WE'RE GETTING A NEW WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING NEW PLANNERS WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET APPROVED WAS A PLANNER, A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER POSITION TO HELP BE MORE OF A LIAISON WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH SOME OF THE OTHER CITY STAFF, SO NOT SO MUCH ON THE C O A SIDE BUT ACTUALLY DOING ECOWAS AND PROCESS AND ADMINISTERING THEM, BUT BUT DEFINITELY BEING THAT MORE ABOUT THE LIAISON WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THERE'S MORE OF US IN THE PAST. BUT YES, BUT THEY WOULD THEY, YOU'RE RIGHT. THEY WOULD BE DEFINITELY STAFF TIME. OR THEY WOULD BE CONSULTANT TIME AND SO THEN, IF IT'S CONSULTANT TIME, THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WOULD FUND THOSE MOVING FORWARD AND TO WHAT DEGREE WE WOULD WANT TO FUND THEM. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL CONSIDERATIONS. COUNCIL WILL ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS, RIGHT? HOW HOW DO WE LOOK AT DOING THOSE? AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR THE SURVEY AND THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT BUDGET REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE PRESERVATION PLAN. CONSIDERING THE THINGS HE BROUGHT TO US. VERY, VERY COMPELLING. AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO HIDDEN INFORMATION. WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE CITIES THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED SUCCESSFULLY. I KNOW IT WAS NOT A GREAT CITY AT ONE TIME. IT WAS VERY SMALL CITY. THEY HAVE A VERY SMALL INVENTORY. I WOULD THINK IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM TO DO THESE THINGS. AND I THINK WE'LL SEE. CONDITIONS WE HAVE HERE WE HAVE SUCH A VARIETY OF THINGS GOING. WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC AND YEAH, PURSUE IT FOR THE SAKE OF THE COMMUNITY. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING IT THAT WAY. I THINK THIS IS A WHOLE ISSUE. REALISTIC APPROACH THAT SHOULD BE PURSUED. IN FACT , I'M WONDERING HOW SOON WE CAN INCORPORATE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THOSE SEVENTIES SIXTIES HOLES BECAUSE THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT. AND THEY'RE EXTENSIVELY BEING CHANGED RIGHT NOW, WHILE WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW. OH, YES, THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SUCCESSFULLY. AND IT INFECTS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. I REMEMBER AT ONE TIME GIVING AWAY MY AGE. I REMEMBER DRIVING TO DALLAS ON HIGHWAY FIVE. ONE LINE IN PLAINTIFF. THAT'S HOW SMALL ITALIAN NOW YOU SEE YOU THINK WE'LL PLANT IS THIS FAST EVERY, BUT IT WAS THAT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT. KENNY WAS ALWAYS A BIGGER DISTRICT WAS A SMALLER TOWN, BUT I THINK THEY'RE VARIETIES. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH REALITIES, SO I'D LIKE TO HELP EXPEDITE IF WE CAN. ALL THESE FRONTS. I THINK IF THE CITY SEES THAT, YOU KNOW THEY'RE ASKING US AS A BOARD IF WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO WE THINK IS IMPORTANT IF WE SAY THIS IS IMPORTANT? YOU KNOW, THEN THEY MIGHT SAY, OKAY, WE NEED EXTRA PEOPLE ON OUR STAFF TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT OUR BOARD IS TELLING US.

SINCE 2000. IF WE DON'T STATE THAT'S IT'S IMPORTANT IT GOES NOWHERE. 1002. WE'VE HAD THIS BOUNDARY. YEAH, VERY LITTLE HAS CHANGED THE BOUNDARIES. BEEN THERE SINCE 87. SO, YEAH, I'M SAYING THE DYNAMIC HERE IS WHAT WE DO WITH IT AND HOW WE HOW WE CONCEIVE HOW WE EMBELLISH IT AND HOW WE GROW IT. YES FOR THE BENEFIT OF TOWN. IT'S GOOD TO LOOK OVER ALL ITS OVERALL.

PROSPECTS OF WHAT WE HAVE. WHO JUST SEWING IN MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS. THE FIRST THREE BULLETS THERE. I SEE DIRECT. AND SAID THE C L G STATUS HAD SOME THINGS, INCLUDING MONEY. I KNOW THERE'S NO FREE MONEY. SO WITH SOMETHING. YOU GOT TO DO THE APPLICATION. YOU GOTTA COMPETE.

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YOU GOTTA FINISH IT IN TIME. YOU GOT TO DO THE REPORT. WHEN IT'S DONE TO SAY YOU GOT IT DONE.

THEY GET THEIR MONEY FROM THAT THERE. IT'S FROM A IT'S A. IT'S A KIND OF A FEDERAL PASS THROUGH FUNDS, SO IT'S A FUND WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, THEN DISSEMINATES X AMOUNT OF MONEY TO EACH OF THE STATES BASED ON SOME CALCULATION THAT THE STATES HAVE DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE STATE AND RESOURCES IN THE STATE AND WHATNOT. AND SO IT'S THAT'S WHY IT'S A SOMEWHERE AROUND 100 TO $200,000 BECAUSE IT'S WHAT IS BEING FUNNELED DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE'RE JUST ABOUT THERE AND THE BULLETS WE DON'T HAVE ON C L G.

WE WANT OR WE WANT SOMETHING SIMILAR. SO, UM YEAH, THE FIRST THREE WE WANT. WE KNOW WE WANT AND C LG SEEMS LIKE IT'S THERE FOR THE KEYSTONE. THAT'S THE WAY TO MAKE THE TOP THREE TOP THE MIDDLE TO HAPPEN BEFORE STRAIGHT A TIMELINE FOR THAT WE CAN DO THE TUNE TWO MIDDLE ONES WITHOUT THE C L G. WE CAN. ABSOLUTELY BUT I THINK IF YOU HAVE THAT C L G, THEN IT'S IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY, AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE TIMELINE FOR HOW YOU ACHIEVE THOSE MIDDLE TWO.

MAKE IT MORE REALISTIC. THOSE LITTLE TOO WOULD ACTUALLY OCCUR IF YOU ACTUALLY IF YOU GET C LG FIRST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD WITH DOING ALL FOUR, TOO, BUT IT'S JUST THAT IF YOU WANT TO WE'VE ALSO STATED CONCERNS ABOUT OVERWHELMING CURRENT STAFF. AND SO THAT WOULD BE MORE WORK WELL, AND NOT NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS YEAR, RIGHT? RIGHT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON. WE WON'T HAVE. THE SURVEY STARTED UNTIL APRIL AND SO THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOING THROUGHOUT THE NEXT YEAR. AND SO WHEN YOU SAY THIS WON'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR, YOU MEAN 2023 2023? YEAH BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE SURVEY COMING UP. AND SO YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WILL BE INFORMED BY THE SURVEY. AS WILL THE PRESERVATION PLAN B DESIGNED INFORMED BY THE SURVEY. AND SO YOU KNOW, THOSE COULD. THOSE COULD THEORETICALLY RUN CONCURRENTLY TO APPOINT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND IN THE INTEREST OF NOT OVERWHELMING STAFF AND NOT OVERWHELMING BUDGET, SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT A TIMELINE WOULD BE THERE ONCE YOU KNOW, WE GET COUNCILS INPUT ON WHAT THEY WANT TO. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO LOOK AT AN ADDRESS CASE THAT CHANGES MY THOUGHT ABOUT OVERWHELMING ITS STAFF. THIS IS A MULTI YEAR PROJECT, PROGRESS OR PROJECT. UM. THEN I'M ALL FOR ALL FOUR OF THESE BULLETS.

COUNCIL. GONNA PASS THE ORGANS CHANGED. INSTALL THE 60 DAY DEMOLITION STAY. WE HAVE NOT BROUGHT THEM THAT YET, SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE QUESTIONS. THIS THIS PRESENTATION IN THESE QUESTIONS, THIS LAST LIGHT OF QUESTIONS TO THEM. THE MEETING ON THE 20TH. WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN FROM THERE, THEN WE'LL DECIDE. YOU KNOW IF THEY SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO GO WITH C L G AND THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS 60 DAY STAY OF DEMOLITION, THEN THAT WON'T GO ANYWHERE. UM, BUT SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT FEEDBACK. WE GET FROM THEM MOVING FORWARD, SO WE HAVE NOT PREPARED ANY CHANGES WOULD BE PROCESSED APPLY FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THAT MANDATORY STAY RIGHT. UM, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE WAITING ON FEEDBACK FROM HER. SO ONCE WE KNOW ONCE PER THC STAFF ONCE ONCE WE GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM FROM THEM, WELL, LITTLE MORE. BASICALLY, THE THINGS WERE MISSING FOR THE C L G IS A 60 DAY. LOOK FORWARD.

SURE OUR BOARD HAS A CORRECT DESIGNER. THREE CORRECT? OKAY SO THEN AND THEN IF WE APPLIED FOR C L G, SO IF WE JUST ADDED THE 60 DAY INTO THE REPORTING NATURE OF BOARD WAS UP TO STANDARD, WHICH WE MIGHT BE. THEN IF WE GOT THE C LG, THEN WE HAVE TO DO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE PRESERVATION CORRECT. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE PRESERVATION PLAN EVENTUALLY WILL HAVE TO DO A PRESERVATION PLAN. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, NECESSARILY TO DESIGN GUIDELINES ON THE CALENDAR. RIGHT? YES PRESERVATION PLAN. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CREDIBLE PATH HERE. THAT GOES, YES, EXACTLY CRITICAL FACTOR TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO MAKE IT MORE. UM APPROACHABLE FOR PEOPLE BUYING HOMES. I THINK WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY, OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW. ABSOLUTELY THE REASON WE'RE HERE, RIGHT. PEOPLE KEEP COMING . WE WANT THEM TO KEEP IMPROVING HOMES, BUT IF THEY'RE CONFUSED AND FRUSTRATED, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. RIGHT OR THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT RIGHT. AND WE WANT TO AVOID THAT. SO YEAH. THE DOWNSIDE TO C L G. WRITING THAT SURVEYMONKEY REPORT. MAYBE.

POTENTIAL STATUS ISSUES AND PROTECT. YEAH, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'D HAVE TO SCOOP THAT OUT.

IT'S ALWAYS TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND THEN BECOMES AN HR PROBLEM. MHM RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW WE'RE GETTING THOSE NEW EMPLOYEES AND SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW. HOW MUCH YOU KNOW HOW MUCH

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EASIER THAT MAY GET. IT'S ALREADY EASIER WITH TWO OF US BLOGS. WHAT IS IT? WHAT KIND OF BURDEN? DOES IT PROVIDE BUREAUCRACY STANDPOINT, OR ANY TYPE OF OVERSIGHT THAT MIGHT BE IMPOSED UPON US IS CITY BY A FEDERAL OR A STATE AGENCY. YEAH IT WOULD JUST THAT WOULD BE WHEN THEY'RE GIVING US MONEY. YOU KNOW THEY WOULD BE OVERSIGHT. THEY WOULD BE OVERSEEING HOW WE SPENT SAID MONEY AND WHAT TIMELINE WE SPENT SAID MONEY HAVE ACCESS TO COME CHECK AND SEE THAT MONEY IS SPENT IN THE WAY THAT THEY AS WITH ANY GRANT THAT WE WOULD GO FOR, YEAH, ANY GRANT THAT WE WOULD APPLY FOR THAT WAS FEDERAL OR STATE RELATED, THEY WOULD WANT TO COME AND MAKE SURE IT WAS THAT WE WERE DOING IT RIGHT. SO MAKE SURE WE'RE DONE OUR EYES AND CROSS TYPICALLY WITH A PASS THROUGH BECAUSE I MANAGED SEVERAL OF THESE GRANTS, AND TYPICALLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF TO THE STATE WHO THEN BECOMES KIND OF LIKE A FISCAL AGENT, AND THEY MONITOR ALL OF THAT. AND THEN THE ONLY REASON THE ONLY WAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REALLY WANTS TO GET INVOLVED AS IF THEY REALLY THINK THERE'S MISMANAGEMENT REALLY HANDED OFF TO THE STATE. YEAH. CORRECT FOR BEES AND GRANT MONEY TO BUILD A NEW BIBLE COURSE.

OKAY VOLLEYBALL COURT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE. NOBODY DOES. OKAY, SO JUST TO RECAP. YES AND THE DISTRICT'S PRIORITY NUMBER ONE. DESIGN GUIDELINES. KIND OF IN THE ORDER. THEY ARE. I'D GO TO SIGN GUY. FIRST GUIDELINES. FIRST DESIGN GUIDELINES FIRST. OKAY PLAN. QUICK EXPLAIN THE DISTRICT FIRST. NO, I KNOW. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT TO TAKE CARE. NEED A. WE'VE GOT A DISTRICT NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE NOT THERE AND WE GOTTA TAKE CARE. WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH GUIDELINES FIRST. FOR THE DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE.

AND THEN ONCE WE DO THAT EXPANDED, BUT WE'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW MAKES SENSE APPROACH WOULD INFORM OUR EFFORTS AND EXPANSION LATER. IF WE YEAH, AND THEY WOULD SEE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES DO PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THINGS NOW THEY DON'T HAVE GUIDELINES THAT IT'S YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THAT. THAT WORRY ABOUT GUIDELINES. THEY DON'T HAVE GUIDELINES. SO IF WE FOCUS AND TRY TO IMPROVE WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND THEN EXPAND UM, BUILDING THE GUIDELINES WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR STEP. BUT THEN, ONCE THEY'RE THERE, IT MIGHT EASE THE BURDEN ON STAFF ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. MHM EXPANSION ADDITION OF DISTRICTS WOULD FALL OUT OF THE PRESERVATION PLAN. DEPENDS ON WHAT WE MEAN BECAUSE WITH IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE PRESERVATION POINT. BECAUSE PART OF THE PRESERVATION PLAN COULD SAY UM, THIS IS OUR EXISTING DISTRICT.

OUR GOAL IS TO WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS HAVE EXPANDED IT TO INCLUDE PROPERTIES THIS OLD OR IN THIS LOCATION OR IT'S LIKE ANY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR, YOU KNOW, BUDGET THAT YOU'RE SETTING OUT FOR RETIREMENT OR WHATEVER. HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THERE? WHAT'S THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS YOU WANT TO DO? FORGET THERE. THERE'S NO REASON IT CAN'T BE. PARDON THINGS CAN'T THESE THINGS CAN GO ON IN PARALLEL? YES REQUIRED. YEAH. YEAH. NO, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT FOR MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A PRIORITY LIST FOR YOU KNOW, COUNCIL SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE ALL FOUR, BUT YOU CAN HAVE X. BUT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DESIGN EXPAND I'M I'M WITH EXPANDING FOR SURE . JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW ALL THE EAST SIDE OVER THERE. THERE'S A LOT OVER. THERE IS A LOT YOUNGER BROTHER JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE ON WHITE AND HE WAS LIKE IT'S BUILT 1948, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE HISTORIC TO SHOW. YEAH HE IS ASKING ME HE'S LIKE MALLORY. BUT RULES DO I HAVE THAT I WAS LIKE . WELL, IF YOU FALL IF HE IF HE IS GOING TO LIVE IN IT AND HE WANTS TO GET MONEY FOR IT AND HE'S GOT TO, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT TO COME IN AND GET APPROVAL. AND SO THAT WAS JUST SAYING IT'S YOU KNOW, PEOPLE POSE THOSE QUESTIONS, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S AN OLDER YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED, BUT IT'S AN OLDER HOME, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC AND SO I CAN WE SAY THAT THEY ARE ALL IMPORTANT TO PUT THEM? NO JUST I WAS JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF YOU HAD SOME, THAT'S ALL. THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT. IT MAKES A NICE, UM, PRIORITY LIST FOR PAULA AND HER STAFF. BECAUSE IF WE SAY ALL OF THEM, THEN IT GIVES THEM KIND OF IDEA OF LIKE WHAT WE'VE FELT, AND IT'S JUST OUR OPINION, BUT I THINK SHE WANTS OUR OPINION ON WHAT WE WHAT WE CONSIDER MOST IMPORTANT. SO WE WOULD SAY MAYBE DESIGN DESIGN. AND THEN EXPAND OR PRESERVATION PLAN. I SAY EXPAND? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BLEEP. WE'RE HEMORRHAGING HOUSES RIGHT NOW. OKAY OKAY, WORKING ON BOTH THE SAME TIME, WORDS MIGHT HAVE BEEN PLANNED EXPANSION. THE SAME TIME DESIGN, EXPAND AND PRESERVATION. AND THEN C L G AS LONG AS YOU'RE INCREASING STAFF. YEAH IT SOON.

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IT WON'T BE JUST THE TWO OF US. I THINK IT'S GOOD. IT'S ALL IT'S ALL GREAT, REALLY GREAT STEPS AND A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY. YEAH, APRIL THAT'S GREAT. I THINK IT WAS REALLY NICELY PRESENTED. DID A NICE THANK YOU NICE JOB BECAUSE IT WAS VERY CLEAR. APPRECIATE THAT. ALRIGHT. I MUST SAY THAT I AM SURPRISED THAT WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE COMPARISON WHERE THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE THAT WE ARE AS FAR BEHIND WE JUST HAVE I THINK WE JUST HAVE A BIGGER THING TO DEAL WITH. WE DO HAVE A BIG THING. WE DO HAVE A BIG GROUP HERE. FOLKS CAME TO IT LATE AND JUST SCATTERED FEW THINGS. LOOK AT MCKINNEY. MCKINNEY IS PRETTY AMAZING. AS FAR AS WE'VE DONE GREAT THINGS OF IT IS LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. I WORRY ABOUT IT. BUT NOW WE'RE SEEING THAT SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE BECOMING LOST. I THINK WE'RE MORE AND MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. IF THINGS ARE GOING WELL. PEOPLE START WORRYING ABOUT IT WHEN THINGS START GOING AWRY. I THINK OUR DOWNTOWN HAS BEEN AMAZING FOR A WHILE AND THEN ARRANGE A LOT ABOUT KEEPING IT AMAZING, BUT I THINK NOW THAT IT'S SO AMAZING.

LOOK HERE, WHICH IS GREAT AND LIVING ON HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE CHANGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S GREAT, BUT I THINK AS WE'RE GROWING. WE GROW AS WELL. OF OUR HISTORIC HOMES, AND PEOPLE LIKE TO UPDATE MAKE CHANGES AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT TO BE ABLE TO. YEAH. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL. THANK YOU, CASTLE.

THANK YOU, CASSIE. OKAY, LET'S SEE RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? ANYBODY HERE? LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. I DON'T SEE ANYR

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STAFF HAVE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS. NEVER QUESTION I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT A WHILE. BUT YOU KNOW THE FOOTBALL FIELD OVER HERE? YES. DEFINITELY. COLLEGE STREET, THE COLLEGE STREET MANNER ALWAYS MANNER. UM, IT'S A LOT OF ITS SITE WORK IS IN PROCESS. IF YOU DRIVE BY, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A DIFFERENT TOPOGRAPHY THAN THERE WAS IN THE PAST. UM, AND THEN THEY'VE HAD ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT, OR THEY'VE JUST DONE A CEO A FOR A COUPLE OF HOUSES. HE'S GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. UM, THEY'VE HAD AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT ECOWAS. I DON'T THINK THEY'VE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMITS YET, THOUGH, THEY'RE KIND OF JUST DOING THEM AS THEY'RE SOLD OFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UM THE OPTIONS YOU CAN PICK FOR THE DIFFERENT HOUSES. SO YOU KNOW, WE WILL OR WILL NOT SEE THAT APPROVED THOSE. WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO SEE. UM HOPEFULLY, THEY'LL BE UP ONLINE SOON. ONCE WE GET THE MAP. UM, SET UP SO. JUST BE NICE TO SEE WHAT SHE HAS A WEBSITE. I THINK THEY HAVE A WEBSITE RIGHT? HAS A WEBSITE THE OWNER OF THE COLLEGE STREET MANNER OR OLIVIA CLARK HOME. I THINK IT'S UNDER HER NAME FILIPINA, CLARK. RIGHT? OKAY ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? SO MOVE. WEST. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND. POSE. OKAY

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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