[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Alicia Tomlin on behalf of Preston Lancaster for a Certificate of Appropriateness Application for the Proposed Rehabilitation of 308 W. Virginia Street.]

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REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER HP 2022-01. CONSIDERED DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY ALICIA TOMLIN ON BEHALF OF PRESTON LANCASTER FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION FOR THE PROPOSED REHABILITATION REHABILITATION OF 308, WEST VIRGINIA. ST PAUL INVESTOR WILL MAKE OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. WHAT'S THE CHANGES COMING IN HERE? SOME DOCUMENTS, OKAY? THANK YOU, TERRY. OKAY, SO TONIGHT WE ARE HERE TO LOOK AT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION FOR THE 308, WEST VIRGINIA PROPERTY FOR THE PROPOSED UNION BEAR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT. THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE. IT MOST RECENTLY IN ITS HISTORY WAS THE HERITAGE HARDWOOD FLOORS. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER IT AS THE OLD AND P OR THE OLD SEARS, ROEBUCK OR THE OLD MCKINNEY EXAMINER. BUT EXCUSE ME, MCKINNEY COURIER GAZETTE BUILDING OR THE OLD PACK WAY SUPERMARKET. IT HAS HAD MANY ITERATIONS SINCE ITS CONSTRUCTION SOMETIME AFTER 1933 AND BEFORE 1947. IT IS A BRICK BUILDING AND HAS METAL PANELING ON THE PRIMARY FACADE. IT'S A VERY MINIMALIST MID CENTURY, YOU KNOW, MID 20TH CENTURY KIND OF COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF ON THE EDGE OF TOWN, KIND OF JUST OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL AREA OF DOWNTOWN. YOU'LL SEE HERE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED RENDERINGS FOR IT TONIGHT. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS I MENTIONED WE AREN'T LOOKING AT THE USE OF THE BUILDING OR THE PARKING LOTS OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE SITE PLAN. THIS IS A USE THAT IS APPROPRIATE. EXCUSE ME. THIS IS A USE THAT IS ZONED FOR THIS AREA. AND SO ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE REGARDING THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER BUT RIGHT ARE NOT NOW BUT ANOTHER MEETING, BUT THIS IS THE DESIGN YOU CAN SEE FROM HERE. THIS IMAGE OF THE TOP . THIS IS A LONG VIRGINIA STREET. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE. OKAY? AND THEN THIS IS AGAIN VIRGINIA STREET.

THIS IS BEND RIGHT HERE, AND THIS IS LOOKING BACK. UM A LITTLE CLOSER IN THAT'S NEAR THE CHURCH STREET SIDES. THERE'S STILL A LONG VIRGINIA BUT NEAR THE CHURCH STREET SIDE OKAY, SO THE BUILDING THAT WE SEE HERE IS AS I MENTIONED A BRICK BUILDING . WE HAVE GIVEN YOU KIND OF A SUMMARY AND THE STAFF REPORT OF THIS BUILDING AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT. IT DOES HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REVIEW. UM THIS IS THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING. NOT TOO MANY CHANGES ARE HAPPENING ON THIS BUILDING ON THIS PARTICULAR FACADE OF THE BUILDING, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE WILL BE ADDING SOME WINDOWS HERE THAT ARE ROUGHLY, BUT NOT EXACTLY IN THE PLACE OF OLD WINDOWS. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE THE OLD WINDOWS ON THE PICTURE, BUT THERE WERE OLD WINDOWS AND SIMILAR PLACES IN HERE IN THE SIDE, AND THEN THEY'RE ADDING A DOOR TO THAT ELEVATION. THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION. THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT ABUTS THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ADD A COOLER HERE KIND OF STUCCO COOLER THERE, AND THIS SHOWS THE BACK VIEW OF A PERGOLA. ADDED TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND DOWN HERE YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDING. IN THE BACK. HERE'S THE EAST ELEVATION WHERE WE'LL START TO SEE MORE OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED. SO THIS IS WHAT LOOKS TOWARDS THE SQUARE COMING DOWN VIRGINIA STREET LEAVING DOWNTOWN. THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST GLIMPSE. YOU GET A BIT OLD BAY DOORS FROM TRUCKS BRINGING MATERIALS INTO THE BUILDING AND THE CORNER OF THE FRONT CORNER OF THE BUILDING RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE BIGGEST AREA OF CHANGE RIGHT HERE AND ON ITS MATCHING CORNER ON THE FRONT. WHERE THIS TOWER WILL BE ADDED. THIS PIECE THAT YOU SEE IN THE ELEVATION HERE, THE PERGOLA AND THIS LOW, LOW WALL WHERE IT SAYS TREKS PLANTERS. THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL PERGOLA THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THAT BUILDING HAS THAT PARTICULAR PERGOLA CAME IN EARLIER FOR REVIEW AND WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY STAFF FOR A CEO A FOR THE PARK VILLA ITSELF . SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE BUILDING PIECES. SO THE BUILDING HERE AND THE LITTLE TOWER ON THIS CORNER. AND THEN HERE'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. SO THE REASON THAT WE

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BROUGHT THIS TO YOU ALL TODAY IS BECAUSE WHEN WE REVIEW STAFF, OPEN STAFF REVIEWS, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE PRIORITY OF THE BUILDING. WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN CHECKLIST TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND WE COMPARE IT TO THE GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED BY THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. SO WHEN WE LOOK THROUGH THOSE STANDARDS, THERE ARE 10 OF THEM . WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE FIVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT THAT WE COULDN'T EASILY FIT THIS INTO THAT WE COULDN'T GET THIS EASILY APPROVE. BE APPROVED THROUGH AND SO WE BROUGHT IT TO Y'ALL FOR Y'ALL TO MAKE THE DECISION MASK . THE REASONS THAT WE LOOKED AT, UM I KIND OF HAD SOME RESERVATIONS AND DIDN'T COULDN'T GET IT TO QUITE MEET WITH THE STANDARDS ARE THAT PRIMARILY CENTERED AROUND THE FACT THAT THIS CORNER IS BEING CHANGED? AND SO YOU'LL SEE. HERE WE HAVE A STRONG COLUMN ON THIS CORNER HOLDING UP THE BUILDING HERE. ANOTHER STRONG COLUMN ON THIS SIDE AND THE PROPOSED DESIGN THIS CORNER IS TAKEN OUT AND REPLACED WITH THAT GLASS BLOCKS. IN THE SECRETARY STANDARD SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT STANDARD NINE, IT SAYS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD NEW ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING THEY SHOULD BE DONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT CAN BE EASILY REVERSIBLE. AND SO THIS DESIGN ISN'T QUITE EASILY REVERSIBLE BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING RID OF EXISTING BUILDING MATERIAL AND EXISTING STRUCTURAL OOPS WENT TOO FAR. EXISTING STRUCTURAL PIECES. IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS COLUMN THIS GLASS BOX RIGHT HERE. THE OTHER STANDARDS THAT WE ADDRESSED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU'LL SEE IN FRONT OF YOU ARE THE HISTORIC CHARACTERS AND CHANGES THERE. ONE OF THE CHARACTERISTIC FEATURES OF THIS BUILDING IS THAT THE AWNING SITS ABOVE THE WINDOWS. SO MANY OF THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN. YOU HAVE THE STOREFRONT WINDOWS. THEN YOU HAVE AN AWNING. THEN YOU HAVE TRANSOM GLASS ABOVE IT. THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE THAT IT'S GOT JUST THE LARGE WINDOWS AT THE BOTTOM AND THEN THE AWNING. THE PROPOSAL SHOWS. CHANGING THAT LAYOUT AND ADDING ADDITIONAL TRANSOM WINDOWS TO THE TOP, SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF REMOVING ADDITIONAL EXISTING BUILDING TO TURN THEM INTO ADDITIONAL WINDOWS UP THERE. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT WAS WAS KIND OF A CHANGE FROM STANDARDS. UM AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER ISLAND ITEM 10 IS NEW ADDITIONS SHOULD BE UNDERTAKEN IN A MANNER THAT THAT IF THEY REMOVED THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY DAMAGED . THE QUESTION HERE WITH THE TOWER IS THAT BY REMOVING BY REMOVING THAT CORNER OF THE BUILDING. IT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO PUT IT BACK BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY EXISTING BUILDING MATERIALS. SO UM. THIS IS A SITE PLAN OF THE BUILDING JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT THEY'RE REALLY NOT CHANGING THE EXACT FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, SO THE FOOTPRINT IS PRETTY MUCH STAYING THE SAME. AS IT IS NOW. IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT THIS LITTLE CORNER GOING AWAY RIGHT THERE. THE REST OF THE BUILDING. PRETTY MUCH STAYS THE SAME, AND THEN THEY ARE ADDING AN ADDITION TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING THAT COOLER IN THE BACK SPACE THERE. SO THE PARKING LOT IS STAYING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME ON THIS SIDE THERE , JUST IMPROVING IT A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME IMPROVED SIDEWALKS. AND THEN THE PARKING LOT ON THIS SIDE GOT A LITTLE SMALLER BECAUSE OF THAT PERGOLA THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. AS I MENTIONED THERE WERE THE FIVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT WE LOOKED AT. WE HAVE TO WHERE WE WERE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS. BASED ON THESE, THESE FIVE STANDARDS NOT BEING MET. AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE. THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF WHAT I MENTIONED ALREADY STANDARD TO REMOVING THE CORNERS STANDARD. ALSO THE WINDOWS BEING ALTERED AND CHINA CHANGING THE CENTRAL ENTRY AND PUTTING IT ON THE CORNER.

STANDARD FOUR STANDARD FOUR IS ONE THAT WE DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT, UM IN DOWNTOWN BECAUSE A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS HAVEN'T HAD CHANGES THAT HAVE LASTED A LONG TIME. THIS ONE HAS HAD SLIPCOVERS ON THE FRONT OF IT. THEY KIND OF HAVE BEEN CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS BUILDING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS SINCE AT LEAST THE 19 EIGHTIES. AND THE CELL. THAT'S THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT AND THEN FIVE WE TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOW BAY WINDOW DOORS AND THE KIND OF SIZE AND LOCATION OF THE WINDOWS. THERE'S ALSO THE BAY DOORS ON THE EAST SIDE THAT WERE BEING IN FILLED.

AND STANDARD NINE STANDARD 10 WE TALKED ABOUT. OKAY? THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE WHEN YOU SAY THE SLIPCOVERS. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE CAN YOU? THANK YOU SO, SO SLIPCOVERS ARE THESE LITTLE BLUE

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PIECES OF THIS BLUE PIECE HERE AND THIS WHITE PIECES HERE? THERE'S SOME KIND OF METAL PANEL THAT'S BEEN A FIXED OVER AN OLD BREAKFAST. AND THEY ARE METAL OR THEY WHAT THEY ARE METAL METAL.

NO I'M SORRY, JOANNA, WOULD YOU SAY STEEL. OKAY? AND DO WE KNOW WHEN THOSE WERE PUT ON THE BUILDING? WE DO NOT. WE KNOW THEY WERE THERE, AT LEAST IN 1985 WHEN THE PHOTOGRAPHS FIRST PHOTO FIRST SURVEY PHOTOGRAPHS WERE TAKEN 30 YEARS 40 YEARS. 40 YEARS. OH, GOSH. FOUR YEARS. HI.

SO TO REITERATE THE TOWER TAKES OUT A BASICALLY THAT CHUNK OF CORNER REALLY EXISTING CORNER IS IN THE PERGOLA. IT LOOKS BIGGER THAN IT IS, BUT IT'S JUST THE PERGOLA THAT MAKES IT LOOK WIDER WHEN THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ANY MORE TO THE STRUCTURE. NO, THE PERGOLA ACTUALLY SITS KIND OF ATTACHED TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO IF YOU LOOK HERE, THERE'S A NEW COLUMN RIGHT THERE AND RIGHT THERE. HOLD ON. LET ME START AT THE TOP 1234 NEW COLUMNS LIKE STUCK TO THE OUT, SO IT'S A PERGOLA STRUCTURES COMPLETELY BY ITSELF. AND SO THAT'S BEEN APPROVED ALREADY, AND SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO TO THE REST OF THE BUILDING, THEY COULD STILL GO PUT THE PICCOLO THERE AND THE DOORS THAT ARE IN QUESTION THERE. THE DOORS ON THE EAST SIDE, THE THOSE BLUE HIMSELF. OH THOSE BLUE DOORS. OKAY SO HERE THEY'RE FILLING IN THE BAY DOORS. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE TO FILL THEM IN, SO THEY WON'T BE BAY DOORS ANYMORE AND REPLACE THEM WITH THIS KIND OF OPEN METAL SCREEN THERE TO GROW PLANTS ON KIND OF COVERED THAT UP. AND SO THAT WAS THE STANDARD FIVE THAT WE WERE WORRIED THAT WE WERE TRYING TO. IT WAS THOSE DOORS.

YEP, THAT'S THE BAY DOORS THAT IT'S TALKING ABOUT. BUT THOSE WERE THOSE WERE MAYBE ADDED IN THE EIGHTIES. WELL THEY'RE BAY DOORS, SO THOSE WERE PROBABLY, UM IN THAT POSITION A LOT LONGER. WE DON'T HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHEN IT WAS THE MP OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S BEEN.

IT WAS THE A AND P WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN THE FORTIES. SO YOU WANT TO STAY HERE OR GO BACK? THIS IS A HERE SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE POLYPS. SOME LITTLE BIT OF A PRAGMATIST, BUT THEY JUST. TO ME. THEY DON'T ADD ANY BEAUTY OF THE BUILDING THAT THEIR DOORS THERE. RIGHT THE BAITERS. GUESS DON'T GIVE ME TOO MUCH OF A HEADACHE. JUST LOOKING AT THAT, BUT AGAIN. IT'S A BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF YOUR CORRECT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IT NOT NECESSARILY FROM BEAUTY, BUT FROM THE RETENTION OF WHATEVER THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS ARE. IN THIS CASE, THOSE ARE HISTORIC ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE IN FILLED SPECIFICALLY. YOU'RE JUST ADDRESSING POINTS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY IN OPPOSITION TO WHAT THE INTERIOR STANDARDS CORRECT. I HAVE TO SAY WHENEVER I WAS SCROLLING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, UM, FIRST REACTION WAS REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS COMING ALONG. I'VE BEEN EXCITED ABOUT UNION BEAR. COMING DOWN HERE AND THEN WHENEVER I SCROLL DOWN AND SAW THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL, I WAS A LITTLE SO TO BE HONEST, I DIDN'T REALLY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS BUILDING IS THAT ONLY LISTED A HIGH PRIORITY BECAUSE IT HASN'T HAD A TON OF CHANGES OVER TIME, BECAUSE WHEN WE COMPARE THE OTHER BUILDING THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT FOR DEMO COUPLE BOARD MEETINGS TOGETHER, I MEAN, THAT WAS BUILT IN 1927.

AND THERE'S KIND OF NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT ONE. SO I WAS THAT WAS A LOW PRIORITY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CHANGES SO THE ONLY REASON THIS ONE IS HIGH BECAUSE IT HASN'T HAD A LOT OF CHANGES, SO THIS ONE HASN'T DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF CHANGES. I WAS NOT HERE WHEN THE PRIORITY LEVELS WERE ESTABLISHED, INHERITED THOSE BUT THIS ONE IS ONE OF ONE OF THE FEW SMALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE FROM THAT ERA HERE LEFT DOWNTOWN SO THAT QUITE POSSIBLY CONTRIBUTES TO ITS HIGH PRIORITY STATUS. OKAY, SO AND AS YOU SAID, IT'S 50 YEARS OLD AND HAS HAD ESSENTIALLY VERY LITTLE DONE TO IT OVER THE YEARS. IN IN YOUR DEALINGS WITH THE YEAH. DID YOU HAVE. GIVE OR TAKE OR HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW THEY MIGHT GO ABOUT. RECONCILE NG ISSUES THAT THAT STAFF HAS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS. UM BEFORE, BUT THIS IS THE DESIGN. THEY'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND SO THAT'S THE ONE WHO ARE EVALUATING. OKAY? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR PAULA? OKAY I THINK IT'S THE APPLICANT PRESENT. OKAY ARE HERE. YES I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME THINGS WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. PRESTON LANCASTER, THE BUSINESS OWNER, OKAY AND ALICIA FROM THE TEAM, HERE'S THE CLICKER. THERE'S A

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THE LITTLE ARROW IS THE POINTER BEEN IN? I'VE BEEN PUT IN CHARGE OF TECHNOLOGY JUST HOLD ON FOR THE RIDE. HI EVERYBODY. I'M PRESTON LANCASTER, THIS IS ALICIA TOMLIN. AND THIS IS LIZ JOHNSON. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. NICE. GOOD EVENING. I'M THE RESTAURANT OWNER. THIS IS REPRESENTING OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR. AND LACES ARE ARCHITECT AND DESIGNER. UM UM, NO, I'M JUMPING. FIRST OFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO BE WHAT WE HOPE IS GOOD NEIGHBORS AND MCKINNEY ALREADY WE OWN CADILLAC PIZZA PUB AND WE ON THE YARD DOWNTOWN. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT AH, WE ONLY WANT THE BEST FOR DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY.

WE TRIED TO BE BIG PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY. WE TRY TO GET BACK IN EVERY WAY WE CAN TO DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. WE, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE'RE DOING A FAVOR AND WE THINK WE'RE GIVING THIS BUILDING. UH MY SECOND LIFE. UM. YOU SAW WHAT WE DID AT THE YARD. IT WAS IMPORTANT TO US TO PRESERVE WHAT WAS THERE. IN HINDSIGHT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT EASIER AND MORE COST EFFICIENT. IF WE HAD JUST STARTED OVER THE YARD. WE JUST GOT DONE WITH $40,000 WORTH OF FOUNDATIONAL REPAIRS AND $20,000 OF PLUMBING REPAIRS THERE, AND WE CONSTANTLY HAVE A HEADACHE WITH THAT OLD BUILDING. BUT IT'S WONDERFUL, AND WE LOVE IT, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY. SO UM, SAME THING WITH CADILLAC. OBVIOUSLY WITH CADILLAC, YOU KNOW, WE INHERITED THE SPACE AND IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND WE LOVE IT AND APPRECIATE THE HISTORIC VALUE. HERE YOU KNOW THIS BUILDING IT WAS IMPORTANT TO US TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE FELT WAS THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY. UM, I'M NOT, UH, HISTORICAL OR ARCHITECTURAL, YOU KNOW, BACKGROUND BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ENHANCE WHAT IS THEIR VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T AN OPTION FOR US, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO US. WAS AN OPTION FOR ME TO TEAR IT DOWN. I WAS TOLD I ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY AND I WAS TOLD WHEN I BUT THE PROPERTY THAT WE COULD WE COULD TEAR THIS DOWN AND START OVER AND I SAID NO. YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS A GREAT BUILDING AND WE WANT TO ADD TO IT. WE WANT TO ADD TO THAT HISTORICAL PRESENCE.

OF COURSE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW THE ARGUMENT AND WHAT'S WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE, BUT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THIS CORNER ASPECT. PULLING UM, THE ENERGY FROM THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE. WE FEEL LIKE FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT AND FROM THE STANDPOINT OF JUST A VISUAL AESTHETIC. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ENTER IN AND HAVE THIS CORNER OPENING BECAUSE IF YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S ACTUALLY DOORS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CORNER. UM. IT WAS REALLY HARD WHEN WE GOT INTO THE DESIGN PHASE AND PROBABLY OVERTAKING YOUR TURN HERE, BUT IT WAS REALLY HARD WHEN WE GOT IN THE DESIGN PHASE TO LAY OUT ANYTHING THAT WOULD REALLY WORK FROM US ON INTERIOR STANDPOINT WHILE MAINTAINING JUST EXEMPLIFIED WHAT? WE'RE HOPING TO BE A MUCH KOREAN FRIENDLY, UM , AREA AND LOOK TO THE OVERALL AREA. I MEAN, YOU KNOW I KNOW WE'RE NOT REALLY DISCUSSING IS THAT X? BUT LET'S FACE IT. THIS BUILDING IS PRETTY UNATTRACTIVE . UM THOSE THOSE METAL PANELING. IT'S AWFUL LOOKING IT REALLY AND I DID NOT REALIZE THAT HAD ANY HISTORIC UM, VALUE BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE PRETTY BAD. I WORKED THERE BENT. THEY'RE NOT. YEAH WATER BEHIND IT THERE. YEAH, THEY'RE LINKING THEIR MOLDS. SO YOU KNOW AGAIN, WE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND I WANT TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING. I WOULD ESPECIALLY LOVE TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, AND WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE A GOOD NEIGHBOR IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. UM NEEDLESS TO SAY, WE'RE INVESTING A LOT IN THIS PROJECT THE UTILITIES ALONE TO GET TO THE SITE. IS ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS, SO JUST TO GET WHAT WE NEED TO THIS SITE UM FROM A WATER SEWER THAT FIRE LINE FIRE HYDRANTS. THAT'S SO WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ANYTHING YOU SEE THERE AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED AND WE'VE ALREADY SPENT ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS. I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE DEFINITELY ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR POINTS FROM A SOUND STANDPOINT FROM A VISUAL POLLUTION OR LIGHT POLLUTION STANDPOINT. WE HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS ADJACENT TO US THE YARD UM, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON

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HAVING LIVE MUSIC. I KNOW WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING ALL THIS, BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THOSE POINTS. SO YEAH, I WAS JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, SO I'LL LET THEM TO THE YEAH, I'LL START FOR MARY DEFINITELY GIVE YOU MY NUMBER, AND I COULD WALK THROUGH SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE. IT'S NOT REALLY RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR EXCEPTION, BUT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LIKE WORK WITH YOU ON THOSE AND ADDRESS THOSE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND I THINK THAT IT IS GOING TO BE A NICE GREEN BARRIER ARE INTENDED TO EIGHT THAT LEVEL IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. WE LOVE TREES. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE YARD. WE SAVED A TON OF THEM AND WE WILL NOT BE DAMAGING THAT WE'LL DO EVERYTHING. WE CAN WIRE AN ARBORIST AND WE'LL CHECK THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM IN ADDITION TO THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG GREEN. GREEN THAT'S BACK THERE TO LIVE GREEN THAT WILL BE GREEN FROM BOTH SIDES. HAVE AN IRON BETWEEN IT. YES, FOR SURE. BUT BACK TO THIS BEING DIRECTED SORRY CUTS ON THIS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY HERE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSING THEIR CONCERNS AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. UM AS TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT PAULA BROUGHT UP. THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING LIKE PRESTON WAS SAYING , LIKE FROM THE BEGINNING, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO PRESIDENT HAS WE HAVE WE HAVE SPENT ALMOST TWO FULL YEARS IN DESIGN ON THIS PROJECT, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE PRE COVID. WE HAD A MUCH GRANDER RESTAURANT DESIGNED WHICH WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO COME TO SEE. OH, A FOR BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE DESIGNS WE HAD A HUGE ADDITION. AND WE ACTUALLY WERE TEARING OUT ALMOST HALF OF THIS FACADE ON THE WEST TO PROVIDE THAT EDITION, AND NONE OF THAT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE. US TO HAVE THE C O A APPROVED HERE, UM, BECAUSE IT FIT EXACTLY WHATEVER GUIDELINES THEY HAD IMPARTED ON THIS. UM SO PRESIDENT SPENT A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF OUR TIME DESIGNING THIS FOR THE THIRD TIME BECAUSE ALL THE COSTS CAME BACK WAY TOO HIGH. YOU EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT COVID HAS WREAKED HAVOC ON CONSTRUCTION PRICES. SO EVERYTHING WAS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE ONCE WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP GETTING TO PRICE IT AND BUILD IT AFTER COVID. SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE ENDING UP, WHICH IS STILL GOING TO BE A FANTASTIC, SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANT. WE ORIGINALLY HAD A BREWERY ASPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BREW AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA OFFSITE BREW AND JUST THIS IS JUST A RESTAURANT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH EFFORT AND TIME AND MONEY PRESIDENT HAS PUT TOWARDS NOT ONLY THIS DESIGN BUT ALSO IN MY TIME, BUT THE CORNER ASPECT OF THIS ENTRY HAS BEEN A PART OF OUR DESIGNED FROM THE BEGINNING. UM A BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL STANDARDS THAT ARE EXPLICIT IN IN THE DOCUMENTS SAY YOU WANT A TOWER ELEMENTS ARE TOLERANT ELEMENT USED TO BE IN THE ADDITION PORTION. AND NOW SINCE WE'RE NO LONGER HAVING THE FUNDS AND WE CAN'T REALLY AFFORD TO DO THE ADDITION LIKE THAT, WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE MAIN BUILDING. BUT HAVING A TOWER ELEMENT YOU CAN SEE THE ABOVE STRUCTURE IS HAS NO ENTRY MOMENT. IT HAS NO I MEAN, HAS TWO DOUBLE DOORS IN THE CENTER. NOBODY CAN SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE TO KNOW. LIKE THIS IS A RESTAURANT YOU WANT TO GO TO? IT LOOKS LIKE A PIGGLY WIGGLY. IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD SCHOOL GROCERY STORE DEFINITELY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A RESTAURANT AND THAT TOWER ELEMENT AND THAT CONNECTION TO DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY AND ENTRY MOMENT AND HAVING THAT JUST DRAW PEOPLE IN AND REALLY ADDRESS THAT CONNECTION TO MAKE US KIND OF GOOD NEIGHBORS BETWEEN US AND SUGAR BACON, US IN DOWNTOWN WAS VITAL REAL QUICK, SO THAT TELL YOUR ELEMENT WAS APPROVABLE WITH IT'S NOT REQUIRED WHEN IT WAS OFF TO THE SIDE. YES, JUST VIRTUAL ON THE BUILDING EXISTING BUILDING ISSUE YES, TECHNICAL ON COMPLIES WITH THE STANDARDS DOWN PARTS OF THE BUILDING RIGHT IN THE CORNER OUT, SO I DID WANT TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT SHE MENTIONED. YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS ARE BEING ALTERED ABOVE ABOVE THE AWNING, BUT THAT IS AN ELEMENT THAT IS THAT DESIGN ELEMENT IS PART OF DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. YOU'LL HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE AN AWNING WITH WINDOWS ABOVE IT. IT'S A HISTORIC LOOKING FEEL, AND OBVIOUSLY, IF THIS BECOMES A RESTAURANT, WE WANT TO HAVE MORE LIGHT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A DARK HOLE INSIDE THAT SPACE, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY AND THAT THAT THAT GOES FOR THE WINDOWS, OBVIOUSLY ON THE SIDE AS WELL.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE STARING AT THE PARKING LOT, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO HAVE CLEAR STORY WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE. TO BRING IN MORE LIGHT TO THE RESTAURANT. UH UM. SO THAT'S KIND OF ADDRESSING THAT 11 LINE ON THEM. I STILL FEEL LIKE THAT. WE'RE CREATING HISTORIC LOOK, RATHER, THAT'S JUST NOT HISTORIC TO THIS STRUCTURE. UM AS FAR AS THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF BRINGING PEOPLE TO THIS SPACE THAT CENTER DOUBLE DOORS UNDER AN AWNING THAT DOES DOESN'T HAVE A TOWER ELEMENT. IT'S JUST WILL BE NONDESCRIPT FROM THE DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT WILL HAVE THAT PEDESTRIAN FIELD THAT THIS DOES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING. SO YOUR ABILITY YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO CONSTRUCT ABILITY AND BEING ABLE TO REPLACE REPLACE THIS. THIS IS A BLOCK AND BRICK BUILDING AND TAKING THIS CORNER DOWN AND REPLACING IT WITH THIS IF IT NEEDED TO BE RESTORED,

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WHICH IT'S COMPLETELY POSSIBLE. I DID A LOT OF WORK OUT AND REAL ALLEY FOR THOSE HISTORICAL RENOVATIONS, AND WE TOOK DOWN LARGE PARTS OF THE MULE BARNES WE RECONSTRUCTED LARGE PARTS OF THE MULE BARNES. WE TOOK DOWN CORNERS, EVERYTHING THAT FELL WITHIN THE HISTORICAL GUIDELINES OUT THERE, SO I DO KNOW FROM A CONSTRUCT ABILITY PERSPECTIVE. IF THIS NEEDED EVER BE RESTORED TO THIS, IT'S JUST AS FEASIBLE AS ADDING THIS ELEMENT BACK ON. THE WHOLE STRUCTURE WON'T COME DOWN OR COLLAPSE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO INSTALLED LENTILS. COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK, AND THIS AND I WANT TO SO I'M. VERY IMPRESSED BY THE SOFTENING OF THE WEST ELEVATION WITH THE EXTENSION OF THAT AREA. MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT. AND AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A RESTAURANT OPENING NEXT TO YOUR HOME, YOU WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. SO I KNOW YOU'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT OVERALL. THE NORTH EDGE OF THE PROPERTY OF CONCERN. I THINK IT WILL COME OUT AND PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT IT HERE BECAUSE WE SEE THE NEED TO REALIZE THAT THIS ORIGINALLY WAS A BEAUTIFUL RESIDENTIAL SITE LONG AGO AND OVER TIME, IT HAS SIMPLY BEEN DEVOLVED INTO A COMMERCIAL. HARD HARDSCAPE. SO ANYTHING, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD SOFTEN. THAT IS A GOOD THING, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT PART OF A YES, BUT WE HAVE AN ENTIRE YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THIS AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE C O A. BUT THE ENTIRE BACK HAS A SIX FT. TALL PLANTING. WALL THAT WILL BE TALL HOLLY TREES OR SOME TYPE OF GREEN THAT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY. THAT WILL BE THAT'S THE SIX FT. TALL IS JUST THE FENCE. THE TREES WILL GO UP TO 10 FT. TALL AND IT WILL HAVE A GREEN. GREEN LOOK FROM THE WHOLE THING. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE BACKGROUND GORINGS.

THERE'S SCREEN ALONG THE WHOLE BACK OF IT. UM SO WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THAT IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PARTICULAR C O A. BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO CREATE IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT JUST A WOOD FENCE BACK THERE OR WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING THAT WAS SOLID. WE WANTED TO SOFTEN IT AND HAVE THAT GREEN COMPONENT SO THAT WHEN THEY LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOW THEY SEE YOU KNOW LARGE GREEN TREES. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT AND SEEING LIKE THIS BIG CMU ALL THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO BE SOFTWARE THEM AS WELL. SO DID THAT. DID THAT ANSWER WHAT YOU WERE. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. UM SO THE ONLY OTHER THING I KNOW THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE METAL PANEL ON FRONT. AND I'M NOT SURE THE GUIDELINES ON THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT HISTORIC PERSON . BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING BACK IN THE DAY WAS ALL MASONRY AND DID NOT HAVE THAT METAL PANEL. THAT METAL PANEL WAS FOR SURE AT IT. EVEN IF IT WAS ADDED IN THE EIGHTIES, IT WAS ADDED, AND WE ALL KNOW STUFF IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES WASN'T REALLY THE BEST DESIGN DECISIONS , BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK ORIGINALLY IT WAS BRICK AND WE ARE TAKING AS MUCH WE'RE HAVING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THIS BUILDING BECAUSE WE DO FEEL LIKE THAT'S PART OF THE MCKINNEY LANGUAGE, HISTORIC LANGUAGES, MASONRY, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO DO SO. I THINK THAT WAS IT. THE LAST ONE WAS EASY REVERSIBLE, WHICH IS WHAT ALICIA TALKED TO. I DO THINK THAT THIS COULD BE REVERSED AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT DEFINES EASILY. THAT'S NOT UP TO ME TO DETERMINE THERE'S ANYTHING EASILY IN CONSTRUCTION, NECESSARILY, RIGHT ADDED ON. IT WOULD ALSO NOT BE EASY TO DEMO, NOT WITH THE ADDITION THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. YOU WERE TAKING OUT ABOUT 65% OF THIS FACADE COMPLETELY SO UM, AND THEORY WHAT WAS ALREADY GOING TO BE APPROVED AS A LARGER PORTION OF REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING THEM WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING TO REMOVE I WOULD HAVE. YEAH I AGREE. UM, HERE FROM A CONSTRUCT ABILITY STANDPOINT, BUT I ALSO AGREE THAT THIS THIS ELEMENT IS REALLY, REALLY CRITICAL AS FAR AS AN ENTRY MOMENT AND TO TIE IN WITH OTHER BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. WHICH ME AND MY FAMILY COME HERE CONSISTENTLY FOR EVERYTHING. AND, UM I FEEL LIKE THE LOOK AND FEEL IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES AND RE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE OVER THE YEARS. OKAY? NEARBY. MASONRY WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. LOOKS LIKE THE TOWER ITSELF. IT'S NOT. THERE'S ALSO I'M SORRY. METAL FACING AS OPPOSED TO YEAH, RIGHT RIGHT ON THE CORNERS, AND THEN IT'S GLASS AND THE CENTER, UM, AGAIN TO GET THAT LIGHT ELEMENT. BUT THE METAL PANEL IS ONE OF THE MATERIALS THAT THE CITY OF MCKINNEY ONCE AND IMPROVES THEY REQUESTED ON SOME OF OUR OTHER FACADES TO HAVE MORE ADDITIONAL METAL PANEL THAT WAS PART OF OUR PREVIOUS REVIEWS WITH OUR PREVIOUS DESIGNS. UM, SO I KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED. SO WE DID HAVE THE METAL PANEL THAT'S REPEATING THE LEFT CORNER OF THE BUILDING. IT'S JUST GOING TO CHANGE COLORS AND BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. SO

[00:35:01]

WE'RE REPEATING THAT IN THE CENTER RATHER THAN ON THE CORNER. WITH THE NEXT ONE TO TRY TO KIND OF MAINTAIN IT, BUT JUST WE REALLY THINK THAT CORNER MOMENT THAT CORNER ENTRY IS ESSENTIAL. BUT WE STILL HAVE TWO COLUMNS ON THE FRONT THERE, JUST NOT ON THE ENDS. OF THE METAL PANEL. THAT'S THERE. IN MY YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M JUST I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE BUILDING AND TRYING TO UM. YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN IT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. AND I DO LIKE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AT THE YARD AND, UM CADILLAC, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. WELL WE APPRECIATE BEING DOWN HERE AND WE LOOK TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH THIS RESTAURANT AND HOPEFULLY CONTINUE TO GROW THE COMMUNITY. IT DOES DEFINITELY SOFTEN IT. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY HARSH RIGHT NOW. IT'S A SEA OF ASSAULT RIGHT ABOUT SALT AND CONCRETE BUILDING HAS SAT THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS IS I MEAN, I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. I KNOW IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER FOR Y'ALL TO UM AWAY AND JUST START OVER, SO I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU WILL TRY TO TIE IN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. AND I THINK THE TOWER COMPONENT THAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOUR BUSINESS TO DRAW PEOPLE DOWN THERE, SO I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO INVEST MORE IN OUR DOWNTOWN. Y'ALL HAVE ADDED A LOT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND BRING A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN HERE. SO I AM THANKFUL FOR ALL FOR WANT TO DO THIS. THAT MEANS A LOT. THANK YOU. AND EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE REMOVING THE BAY DOORS, THE VINES AND STUFF ARE REMINISCENT REMINISCENT OF GIVING A NOD TO IT, BASICALLY, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE RESTROOMS ARE.

YOU CAN HAVE THEIR DOORS INTO A RESTROOM. AND TO MENTION IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS AND PROBABLY NO SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT THE INTERIOR OF THIS PLACE IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL, AND IT'S DEFINITELY MORE IN THE REALM OF BEING TRADITIONAL AND ESSENCE AND DESIGN. YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT MORE THAN I CAN WE HAVE WE TAKE A LOT OF NODS FROM THE PLANO UNION BEAR, BUT THE BRAND IS KIND OF MOVING TOWARDS A SLIGHTLY MORE TRADITIONAL FEEL HERE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE KIND OF COOL LIKE BREASTS AND KIND OF A LITTLE OLDER LOOKING FIXTURES.

THAT WILL BE REALLY I THINK AGAIN. KIND OF BRING THAT VINTAGE ELEMENT BACK SO I WANTED TO. I WANTED TO THANK YOU. ALSO SEVERAL YEARS AGO I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY WANTED TO KNOCK THIS BUILDING DOWN AND BUILD A SOMETHING THAT TOOK UP THE WHOLE PROPERTY. AND WHEN I SAW WHAT YOU HAD PLANNED, I WAS EXCITED TO SEE IT BECAUSE USING THAT OLD BUILDING AND DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I THINK IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED FOR THAT CORNER. UM I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE STAFF BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT WHAT THEY DID GOING THROUGH THE STANDARDS OF REHABILITATION AND JUST TOUCHING BASE ON CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE THE PROCESS AND TO SEE YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT THEY HAVE SAID. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE. I WENT DOWNTOWN TODAY JUST TO KIND OF LOOK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE BUILDING FROM THE CORNER OF VIRGINIA AND KENTUCKY . AND I THINK HAVING THAT TOWER THERE IS HUGE. I THINK IT WILL MAKE IT. UH IT'LL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. UM, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE AND IT'S ALWAYS EXCITING TO SEE MORE PEOPLE WANT TO PUT BUSINESSES DOWN THERE AND THIS WILL BE BRING A LOT OF PEOPLE. I THINK SO. I APPRECIATE YOU ANYTHING ELSE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR AND ONE MORE THING I KNOW ONE HEARING THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING IN THIS BUT AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, HEARING THAT YOU TALK AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE APPRECIATE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR CAN YOU GO TO THE LAST SLIDE? STATUE CONDITIONS. I JUST WANT TO REVIEW I DON'T HAVE ANY THIS ONE. DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE? I JUST WANTED TO REVIEW. WHY DO WE HAVE A DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ANYMORE? DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE A EMOTION OR ANYTHING ELSE I WOULD SAY IS GETTING BACK TO THE CORNER. AGAIN I MEAN, IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE. THAT THE EASILY REVERSIBLE, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE THAT BEING BROUGHT UP AS A POINT, BUT I MEAN YOU KNOW, UM. I THINK THAT'S LIKE ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES HERE IN I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S I THINK IF IT CAN BE REVERSED IF THAT WAS THE POINT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SUCH A AREA OF CONCERN. HISTORIC

[00:40:04]

MATERIALS, AND I DO AGREE WITH THE METAL TO DON'T THINK THAT WAS ORIGINAL. AND CERTAINLY POINTS UP THE IMPORTANCE OF COORDINATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS IN THIS REGARD. ONGOING CONCERNS OR THE NORTH. PROPERTY LINE. SURE. WE UNDERSTAND. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF WINDOWS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDES, TOO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID THAT INTENTIONALLY, BUT I DID PICK UP ON THAT YOU DID DO IT INTENTIONALLY. I THINK THAT'S YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY GRACIOUS AND THINKING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL DOOR TO THE SPACE IS NOT LOCATED ON THE REAR. FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON IT IS LOCATED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO BUT IT IS ALSO TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT POTENTIAL CONCERNS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME SO MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE YOU PROOF. A SECOND. OKAY WE HAVE THE MOVE TO APPROVE THAT. MCWILLIAMS IN THE SECOND BY HAYNES. I'LL INVITE ANY MORE DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND.

OPPOSED. OKAY PASSES UNANIMOUS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU MUCH. THANK YOU.

[Discuss the Home Recognition Program and Calendar]

OKAY WE WILL MOVE TO THE DISCUSSION ITEM ITEM NUMBER 22-1183. DISCUSSED THE HOME RECOGNITION PROGRAM AND CALENDAR. AND KASIE. BUMGARNER IS GOING TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION. SO I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION. MANCHESTER MORE OF JUST A QUICK UPDATE. I KNOW. USUALLY WE TALK ABOUT THE CALENDAR IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY. UM SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON IT. JUST ONE SECOND. HOLD THAT UP. SO IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE 11 UNIQUE NOMINATIONS. USUALLY WE NEED AT LEAST 14 AND THE NEW VOTE. UM, SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANYONE, OR EVEN WAITING TO NOMINATE SOMEONE'S HOME NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. UM SO WHERE YOU CAN FIND THAT IS IN ON OUR WEBSITE ON THE HOME RECOGNITION PROGRAM, THERE IS A LINK IT JUST SAYS NOMINATE A HOME FOR NEXT YEAR'S CALENDAR. IF YOU CLICK ON THAT IT'S GOING TO LET YOU DO THAT. ENCOURAGE ANYBODY. YOU KNOW WHO WANTS TO NOMINATE A HOME IF YOU WANT TO DO IT. GET THOSE IN THERE THAT WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO VOTE ON NEXT MONTH. UM AND THEN, IN ADDITION TO THAT STAFF HAS BEEN RECONSIDERED OR JUST CONSIDERING HOW WE CAN UPDATE THE HOME RECOGNITION PROGRAM, UM, DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR. SO WHEN I COME BACK NEXT MONTH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A JUST KIND OF OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD OF DIFFERENT FORMATS THAT WE COULD DO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE COULD DO RATHER THAN JUST THE SAME THING. UM JUST SPICE IT UP. NOW THAT WE'VE DONE 15 YEARS OF THE CALENDAR. I LOVE THAT. SO THAT WAS ALL I HAD. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND I DO I HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION. UM AND MAYBE IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CALENDAR BECAUSE I THIS THIS CALENDAR. I HAD SEVERAL CONCERNS BROUGHT TO ME. ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS. IT WAS THE, UM. THE PICTURES THE QUALITY OF THE PICTURES IN THE CALENDAR, THE NOT KNOWING WHEN SOMEONE WHEN YOU WERE COMING TO THE HOUSE TO TAKE THE PICTURE, AND, UM ALSO, I THINK THIS WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE IN THE PAST WE HAD GONE AROUND AND WE HAD LOOKED FOR, UM ADVERTISEMENTS, AND THAT'S HOW WE FUNDED THE CALENDAR. THIS YEAR. I BELIEVE THE CITY STEPPED UP AND FUNDED PART OF IT, AND THEN ADVERTISEMENTS WAS ANOTHER PART OF IT. SO UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE QUALITY OF THE PICTURE, BUT I HAD I DID HAVE PEOPLE APPROACH ME, SAYING THAT THEY WERE DISAPPOINTED IN THE QUALITY. AND I THINK WE EVEN MAYBE USE SOME OLD PICTURES AND PEOPLE HAD, UM THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE CALENDAR. FIXED UP THEIR YARDS AND WE DID NOT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE DID NOT GET A NEW PICTURE OF THE OF THE PROPERTY. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT THIS YEAR IS THERE A WAY TO MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET A PROFESSIONAL TO TAKE THE PICTURES. IF WE COULD GIVE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE CALENDAR , SOME SORT OF TIME FRAME AS TO WHEN THE PICTURES ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN. AND UM, JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING PEOPLE WANTING

[00:45:01]

TO ADVERTISE IN OUR CALENDAR SO THAT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS HEARD ANYTHING, JUST A BIT THEIR OWN PHOTOS WHEN I WAS THINKING, YEAH, IN SOME CASES, THEY DID. SO OKAY GOING TO SAY WE DID HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO IN THIS THIS CALENDAR THAT WAS JUST PUBLISHED WHO HAD SUBMITTED THEIR OWN PHOTOS. IS THERE A PROBLEM? DID THEY DO IT IN THE RIGHT TYPE OF FORMAT, OR IS THERE SOMETHING TO EAT? SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TECHNICAL KIND OF THE BACK STORY OF WHY WE WERE EVEN THINKING ABOUT KIND OF RESTRUCTURING. THE PROGRAM IS BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF IN A NOW WHAT'S CONSIDERED AN OUTDATED FORMAT. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHEN THE STAFF GETS THE PHOTOS THE QUALITY OF THAT THAN PUTTING IT INTO THE SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE. THE TICKETS CONVERTED, AND THEN IT'S PUT INTO ANOTHER SOFTWARE FOR THE PRINTER. UM AND IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PEGS EVERY TIME YOU SAVE A JPEG, IT'S THE QUALITY GOES DOWN. SO. THAT'S PROBABLY ONE PART OF IT. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO JUST PREFERENCE. I NOTICED ME AND PAULA, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT THIS AFTERNOON. ACTUALLY ALL THE OTHER CALENDARS WERE GLOSSY FINISH. IN THIS YEAR. IT WAS A MATTE FINISH. I PREFER MATTE, BUT I KNOW I'M NOT EVERYONE PREFERS MATT AND I WONDER IF THAT ALSO HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT AS WELL. I'M WONDERING WITH THIS YEAR. I KNOW WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SELL ADVERTISEMENTS LAST YEAR BECAUSE I RECEIVED THE BUDGET. BUT I WONDER IF YOU SOLD A COUPLE MORE IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A PHOTOGRAPHER FOR ALL OF THIS. I MEAN, SOMEONE MIGHT BE WILLING TO DONATE THEIR QUITE A FEW IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT OFFER, YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT WAY THEY WOULD ALL BE THE SAME LIGHTING. SAME EDIT. LITTLE MORE COHESIVE INSTEAD OF ALL, JUST A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TIMES A DAY STUFF LIKE THAT, SO THAT MIGHT MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE COHESIVE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROBLEMS WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE NOT THE RESOLUTION, BUT IT WAS MORE THAT THAT WASN'T THE PRETTIEST PICTURE OF THEIR HOUSES. IS THAT YES. SO I THINK THAT'S LESS OF A CONCERN THAN JUST MAYBE RUNNING IT PAST THE HOMEOWNER ONE MORE TIME BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY GO TO PRINT. MHM. THANK YOU. GOOD IDEAS, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, CASSIE. WELCOME. THANKS, CASSIE. OKAY DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ADAM'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. ANY BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF ANYMORE DISCUSSION. OKAY DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOVED OR, UM, BOARD MEMBER? FRIEDEL, DO I HAVE A SECOND? REMEMBER PANTS ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND OPPOSED. OKAY WE ARE JOINED

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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