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[CALL TO ORDER]
AFTERNOON.TODAY IS TUESDAY, JANUARY 24TH YEAR AT 2023, AND WE ARE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT FOUR O'CLOCK ON THIS GREAT DAY AT 2 22 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET.
[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]
ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME CARDS TURNED IN AS EYEWITNESS ONE.NOW,
WE WILL START, UM, WELL, BEFORE I SAY WHO, WE'LL START WITH WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
WELL, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE? ONE DO? YEAH, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE TO GO TO TWO MINUTES BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE.
SO I APOLOGIZE IF YOU HAD PREPARED SOMETHING FOR THREE MINUTES AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO EDIT IT ON THE FLY.
BUT, UM, WE, WE ONLY HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, TODAY, SO IT'LL BE TWO MINUTES.
IF YOU'LL COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
YOU'LL NOTICE A, A TIMER ON YOUR LEFT OR RIGHT.
UH, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO 30 SECONDS, IT'LL GO TO YELLOW.
WHEN IT GETS TO FIVE, IT'LL GO TO RED.
AND TRY NOT TO LET THAT BELL BEEP, CUZ I HATE TO SEE SOMEONE INTERRUPTED THAT WAY.
UM, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU, UH, GET CUT OFF, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE IT FAIR FOR EVERYBODY.
SO FIRST, BETTY PACA, MAYOR FULLER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND TALK TO YOU, AND I'M GONNA CUT IT SHORT.
SO I, AND I DON'T LIKE COMMENTING ON ISSUES LIKE THIS BEFORE I HEAR YOUR DISCUSSION, BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING.
UM, AFTER LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS TO, UH, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY DOWNTOWN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT REDEVELOPING OR NOT REDEVELOPING ALL OR JUST REDEVELOPING SOME.
AND, UM, I WANTED TO JUST TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE OR, OR WHAT I THINK THE BEST OPTION WOULD BE.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS, THIS IS NOT GONNA SURPRISE YOU, BUT MY BEST OPTION WOULD BE TO REPURPOSE THESE BUILDINGS AND TO, UH, KEEP LET THE CITY KEEP CONTROL OF THESE BUILDINGS.
BUT I KNOW WITH THE COST AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW CITY HALL AND THE COST AND CONSTRUCTION TO REDO THESE BUILDINGS, THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW REALISTIC THAT IS.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REDEVELOPMENT OP OPTIONS, WHETHER IT IS TO BE DONE AS A PARTNERSHIP OR JUST AN AS IS TO SELL THE PROPERTY AS IS, MY FIRST OPTION WOULD BE FOR THE CITY TO DO, DO IT AS A PARTNERSHIP.
JUST BECAUSE THE PROCESS ALLOWS INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
IT IS A SLOWER, MORE INVOLVED PROCESS.
AND EVEN THOUGH THE AS IS OPTION IS LESS INVOLVED AND FASTER, IT SEEMS THAT THE CITY WOULD LOSE CONTROL OVER HOW AND WHEN THE PROPERTY WOULD BE DEVELOPED.
THERE ARE PROS AND CONS WITH BOTH APPROACHES.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE A WELL THOUGHT OUT PROCESS DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF THIS PROPERTY.
IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING THE DISCUSSION, WHATEVER.
AND HOWEVER YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE PROPERTIES.
I JUST ASK THAT THE CITY ADDRESS ANY CURRENT REGULATIONS, RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF OR WHEN THIS PROPERTY IS REDEVELOPED, IT WOULD BE IN THE KEEPING WITH THE, HIS HISTORIC NATURE OF THE AREA.
YOUR COMMENTS ARE ALWAYS VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND RESPECTFUL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR FULLER AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE ITEM 20 3025.
I LIVE AT 11 0 3 HIGH PARK DRIVE IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS.
I'M MY DIRECTOR IN SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE, UM, THE AREAS BEING REDEVELOPED AND POSSIBLY SOME CAPTAIN, MAYBE SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, SOLD OFF.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF A PROCESS WITH COMMUNITY INPUT FOR SOME OF THE SAME REASONS THAT MS. BETTY, UM, UH, OUTLINED FOR YOU.
I'D KIND OF LIKE TO SEE A FAMILY FOCUS.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LACKING IN THE DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE A LOT OF WINERIES AND BREWERIES, WHICH I THINK ARE AMAZING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERATE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE FAMILY, SUCH AS MAYBE A HANDS-ON, UM, CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY IN OTHER COMMUNITIES OF THIS SIZE HAVE.
UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I WORK WITH ON A DAILY BASIS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND ALSO TE THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE INCOME GENERATING FOR THE CITY, SUCH AS MAYBE A PAID PARKING GARAGE SINCE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE CENTER, WE HAVE UNPAID THAT'S OUT ON THE OUTSKIRTS.
AND FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO BE CLOSER IN, MAYBE, MAYBE A PAID, UM, PAID PARKING GARAGE.
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COUNCIL IS AWARE OF MR. ARCHITECT WHO? JAMES WEST 5 0 4 TUCKER STREET, MCKINNEY, TEXAS.I'M SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THOSE IDEAS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE TWO PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
AS YOU KNOW, MANY ADAPTIVE REUSES HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH GREAT SUCCESS.
AND I THINK CERTAINLY AS YOU LOOK AT THE TYPES OF REUSES AND THE POTENTIAL BUYERS OF THIS PROPERTY, I I WANT TO URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE, UH, CURRENT STATUS OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA AS YOU ARE.
AND CONSIDER THAT MANY OF THE FAMILIES WHO COME HERE NEED A DIVERSITY OF USES THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE IS YET THE IDEA OF THE, OF THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, I THINK IS A WONDERFUL IDEA.
ONE WELL CONSIDERED AND WELL USEFUL AND WOULD PROPOSE TO US AN IDEA OF USE THAT WOULD BE LEAST DISRUPTIVE IN ITS FULFILLMENT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD POINT OF REFERENCE.
SO I WILL THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND WISH YOU WELL.
I LIVE ON 2235 COUNTY ROAD 3 38.
MY GRANDPARENTS SPOT OUR LAND IN 1952.
MY GRANDCHILDREN ARE NOW THE FIFTH GENERATION TO LIVE ON WOODLAWN FARM.
MY HUSBAND GORDON AND I MOVED HERE IN 84.
WE SERVED THIS COMMUNITY AS TEACHERS FOR A COMBINED TOTAL OF 60 YEARS.
OUR SON, PATRICK AND HIS WIFE JENNY, MOVED THERE IN 2011 AND ARE RAISING THEIR THREE SONS.
WE'VE RETIRED NOW AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO ENJOYING LIFE ON THE FARM.
MANY, UNLIKE MANY RETIREES, WE DON'T WANNA MOVE TO THE LAKE.
WE WANT TO STAY EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN GORDON ON N B C FIVE LAST NIGHT.
HE BLACKSMITH AT CHESTNUT SQUARE AND HE TEACHES SCOUTS METAL WORKING, AND WE HAVE A CAMPGROUND DOWN BY THE CREEK FOR THEM.
UH, AFTER YEARS OF FIGHTING KIDNEY DISEASE, I GOT A TRANSPLANT.
I'VE, UH, I WANNA INTRODUCE MY GRANDSONS TO THE NATURE, THE BEAUTIFUL NATURE OF OUR PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDES PART OF THE BIGGEST FORESTED AREA LEFT IN THE AREA.
WE HAVE SUCH ABUNDANT WILDLIFE.
WE HAVE BLUE HERONS RAISING THEIR YOUNG ON OUR PROPERTY.
I'VE WALKED OVER 50 MILES ON THE PROPERTY THIS MONTH, AND THERE'S SOMETHING NEW TO SEE EVERY TIME.
OUR FOREST, UH, SHOULD NOT BE DESTROYED.
IF YOU PICK ROUTE C, IT WILL GO THROUGH THAT.
NOT TO MENTION OUR HOUSE AND THE BLACKSMITH SHOP, I REALLY DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
MY FAMILY AND MY NEIGHBORS ASK YOU TO PLEASE PICK ROUTE D OR CHOOSE IT INSTEAD.
THANK YOU PAUL BORCHARD, GOOD EVENING.
I'M B PAUL BORCHARD, UH, 2161 BORCHARD TRAIL, UH, MCKINNEY, TEXAS.
AND, UM, I'M SPEAKING, UM, UH, SIMILARLY TO, UM, MARGARET O'NEILL.
UM, WE'RE NEIGHBORS AND, UM, ROUTE C UH, WILL EXTREMELY, UM, DISRUPT THE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT WE HAVE.
UM, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION, THE END OF MY DRIVEWAY WILL, UM, BE A CONSTRUCTION ZONE, UM, I'LL HAVE A FREEWAY WHERE, UM, WE WATCH HEAD PEACEFUL ROLLING HILLS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, A MAP, UM, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENCES AND BUSINESSES DISPLACED BY, UM, ROUTE C IS FAR GREATER THAN THAT OF ROUTE D.
UM, AND, UM, I, UH, JUST DON'T WANNA SEE THAT DISRUPTION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, I WANT YOU TO LISTEN CLOSELY TO, UM, ALL OF THE FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
SHERRY EUBANK, UH, MAYOR FULLER AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M NOT, DON'T PUBLIC SPEAK TOO OFTEN, SO I GET REALLY NERVOUS.
THERE ARE SO MANY MORE BEING DISPLACED AND IMPACTED THAN THERE ARE ON SEGMENT D.
WE ARE IN A STATE OF SHOCK BECAUSE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY HAS ALWAYS SUPPORTED D SO WE MADE THE ASSUMPTION AT A LATE DATE.
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WE MADE IT A WRONG ASSUMPTION.THERE ARE OVER 375 PEOPLE IMPACTED ON ROUTE C.
AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO MAKE THE NOISE FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY AND THE LOGIC ENVIRONMENTALLY.
THE OTHER ROUTE IS SUPPORTED BY TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE BECAUSE THE BACK OF PROPERTIES CONTAIN THE LARGEST CONTINUOUS FOREST IN ALL OF CENTRAL COLLIN COUNTY.
THERE ARE BEAVER, THERE ARE MIGRATORY THREATENED BIRDS THAT USE THOSE WETLANDS.
THERE'S WETLANDS IN THERE, WHICH ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT AS PREVALENT AS THEY USED TO BE.
THE HOMES DISPLACED MAY BE 200 FEET FROM THAT 12 LANE HIGHWAY, BUT DOES NOT GET ANY REIMBURSEMENT FROM TEX DOT.
AND THERE ARE SENIORS AND ELDERLY ON FIXED INCOME THAT WILL RUN 50 FEET FROM THEIR HOMES OR RIGHT THROUGH THEIR HOMES, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OR THE MONEY TO MOVE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT OUR HOME THAT WILL BE 200 FEET FROM IT.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE MASSIVE NUMBER OF IMPACT THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALONG THAT ROUTE.
SEGMENT D HAS A FEW BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE A, A HORSE FACILITY, TARA, TARA ROYAL, THAT, THAT HOUSES YOUR POLICE OFFICER'S HORSES, BUT A LOT OF OTHER WARM BLOODS AND THOROUGHBREDS.
THEY CANNOT DEAL WITH THE CONSTRUCTION.
SHE WILL HAVE TO SHUT HER BUSINESS DOWN THAT SHE'S PUT IN MILLIONS TOO, BECAUSE SHE, HER, HER WORDS WERE, THOSE HORSES WILL SPOOK.
I'LL END UP WITH QUADRIPLEGICS.
I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE IT THERE FROM THE CONSTRUCTION.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR FULLER CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I HAVE SOME MAPS I'D LIKE TO GIVE TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.
SO, UH, THIS MAP SHOWS THE TWO ALIGNMENTS, SEGMENT D AND SEGMENT C AND THE NORTHEAST AREA, UM, AND OUTLINES THE VARIOUS RESIDENCES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG THE ROUTE AND THE, UM, BUSINESSES ALONG BOTH ROUTES.
UM, SOME OF THE KEY TAKEAWAYS FOR THE TWO ROUTES SEGMENT C UH, RUNS THROUGH BETWEEN A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER NUMBER OF RESIDENCES AND BUSINESSES, UH, DISRUPTING AND DISPLACING MORE PEOPLE.
UH, IT DESTROYS 29 MORE ACRES OF FOREST IN WOODLANDS AND 51 MORE ACRES OF GRASSLANDS IN PRAIRIE, UH, INCLUDING DAMAGING AT LEAST ONE, UH, OLD ELM TREE THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 220 YEARS OLD.
UM, IT IS PROJECTED TO HAVE LONGER TRAVEL TIMES AND SLOWER TRAVEL SPEEDS WITH MORE ELEVATION CHANGES, UH, BY TECH DOT, UH, IT IS OPPOSED BY THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT, WHICH PREFERS SEGMENT D.
UM, IT IS ALSO POSED BY OVER 90, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS PROPERTY OWNERS AND ASSIGNED PETITION REPRESENTING MORE THAN 3 75 PEOPLE, WHICH I HAVE, UM, HERE AND I CAN GIVE TO YOU.
UM, IN CONTRAST, SEGMENT D DOES NOT CROSS DAMAGE OR DESTROY ANY IDENTIFIED, UH, WETLANDS ACCORDING TO TECH DOT.
UM, IT PRESERVES ONE OF THE LARGEST REMAINING FORESTED AREAS IN CENTRAL COLLIN COUNTY, AND IT HAS THE FEWEST RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS DISPLACEMENT OF THE TWO OPTIONS.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RICK UBANK.
RICK, I DIDN'T REALLY, UH, PLAN ON SPEAKING TODAY.
I JUST WANTED TO OPPOSE THE, UH, ROUTE THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH THE MOST BUSINESSES AND HOMES.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF COLIN COUNTY FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, AND, UH, MCKINNEY, UH, FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND, AND WANTED TO MOVE AWAY FROM MC, UH, PLANO WHERE THE TRAFFIC NOISES WERE HORRENDOUS AND THE NOISE DAY AND NIGHT, UH, CARS RACING UP AND DOWN SIRENS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND WE REALLY HAVE ENJOYED LIVING IN MCKINNEY AND ALL THIS, UH, AREA.
UM, ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW THAT IT, IT WE'RE, WE'RE DESTROYED BY THE CHANGE THAT TEXDOT HAS MADE RECENTLY.
EVERYTHING APPEARED TO GO ONE WAY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED.
IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY'S GOT THEIR THUMB ON THE SCALE OF JUSTICE
ANYWAY, I, I WISH YOU WOULD, UH, PUT YOUR VOICES BEHIND, UH, SEGMENT D AND AGAINST SEGMENT C.
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JIM SCHWARZ.AND I KNOW THIS, UH, YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK ON NON AGENDA, BUT YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE.
SO I'D GO, LET'S GO AHEAD SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT AROUND ALL DAY.
OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON FOR TODAY.
THE, UH, THE EMPTYING OUT OF THE PROPERTIES HERE.
YEAH, FOR SOME REASON IT SAID IT WAS NOT, BUT EITHER WAY, I, I DIDN'T WANT TO KEEP YOU SITTING HERE.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS COMING TO SPEAK TO.
SO, UH, THESE PROPERTIES THAT YOU'RE VACATING, I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE ABOUT THAT THIS IS THE CLOSEST OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NORTHWEST AREA TO HAVE A PARKING GARAGE ADDRESSED.
AND SO TO SEE THESE PROPERTIES SOLD OFF AND PUT IN THE HANDS OF PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, UH, WITHOUT HAVING STRINGS ATTACHED IN TERMS OF DEED RESTRICTIONS OR SOMETHING, I THINK WOULD BE A MISTAKE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REGRET 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN LOOK AT, I BELIEVE IT'S TRACKED, UM, UH, ONE ON OUR PROPERTY.
NUMBER THREE PARKING, PUBLIC PARKING ONE IS JUST NORTH OF, OF WHERE THE ORIGINAL PLANNING, UH, AND SUB, UH, WAS FOR A GARAGE TO BE BUILT THERE.
IT'S JUST NEXT TO OUR PROPERTY, THE ANTIQUE MALL.
AND THAT, UM, THAT TRACK, UH, WAS THOUGHT OF.
AND IT'S NOT THREE BLOCKS OR FOUR BLOCKS AWAY.
AND I JUST URGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT CAN BE INPUTTED INTO THIS PROCESS.
I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY MORE, UH, TIMEFRAME NOR CONSUMING MORE MONEY, BUT IT ALSO WOULD END UP WITH A RESULT THAT WOULD, UH, PLEASE PEOPLE AND WOULD HAVE INVOLVEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY IN THE WHOLE PROCESS.
THIS IS ALL I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
[Consider and Discuss City-Owned Properties in Historic Downtown McKinney]
OUR WORK SESSION ITEMS. ITEM 2 20 0 25, CONSIDERING DISCUSS CITY OWNED PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY.YOU HAVE A PERFECT SEGUE TO THAT AFTER THE COMMENTS.
I BELIEVE WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME PROPERTIES THAT WE MAY OWN.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL QUINT, I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
AND I, I AM HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY MCKINNEY OWNS DOWNTOWN.
ALSO GOING TO POSE SOME QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE APPRECIATE, ANY FEEDBACK YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ON OFFERING.
AND THEN LAST WE'LL TALK THROUGH IF REDEVELOPMENT IS ON THE TABLE OR SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL PROPOSES, TALK THROUGH SOME PROCESSES WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, A SNAPSHOT OF DOWNTOWN.
SO EVERYTHING YOU SEE OUTLINED IN GREEN IS PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY OF MCKINNEY RIGHT NOW.
UM, YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING CALLED FUTURE CITY HALL.
AND THAT FUTURE CITY HALL, UH, WILL HAVE SOME IMPACT ON SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES.
SPECIFICALLY THE PROPERTY WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING AND SOME PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF THE CURRENT CITY HALL.
SO I WANT TO FOCUS OUR ATTENTION, OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT ON THOSE FOUR PROPERTIES, SPECIFICALLY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUILDING CITY HALL, THE PROPERTY, THE PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH OF THE CURRENT CITY HALL.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE EAST OF THAT PARKING LOT.
THIS IS A MORE ZOOMED IN, UH, VIEW OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING BEING PROPERTY NUMBER ONE, CITY HALL BEING NUMBER TWO, UH, THE PARKING LOT JUST NORTH OF CITY HALL BEING NUMBER THREE.
AND THE PARKING LOT KIND OF NORTHEAST OF CITY HALL BEING NUMBER FOUR.
SO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT PROPERTY NUMBER ONE.
THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS WHERE, UH, MY STAFF OPERATES OUT OF RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE, THE PROPERTY, NOT THE NECESSARILY THE BUILDING.
UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, THE 2022 APPRAISAL HAS THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT AT ABOUT $800,000 LOCATED WITHIN TURS.
ONE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF WE WERE GO OUT TO THE PRIVATE MARKET, THERE'S SOME INCENTIVES THAT WE COULD, UH, THROW INTO THE POT FOR REDEVELOPMENT, IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE.
ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO STRESS THOUGH, THAT ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S, TOWN CENTER ZONING DISTRICT.
NOW THAT'S A FORM-BASED ZONING CODE THAT'S MEANT TO MIRROR AND BUILD ON THE EXISTING CHARACTER AND BUILDING FORM THAT YOU SEE IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES WITH THAT ZONING IS THERE ARE A LOT OF LAND USES ALREADY ENTITLED.
SO I DO WANNA STRESS THIS CONVERSATION IS LESS ABOUT LAND USE AND IT'S MORE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT.
ARE WE GONNA REDEVELOP THE PROPERTIES, YES OR NO? BECAUSE I ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE NO REZONING NECESSARY.
THE BUILDING THE PROPERTY, UH, ALREADY ALLOWS FIVE STORY BUILDING HEIGHTS.
IT ALREADY ALLOWS MORE USES THAN WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.
RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY, ALL CURRENTLY ALLOWED HOTELS, OFFICES, RESTAURANTS,
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PERSONAL SERVICE.THAT COULD BE, UH, A WHOLE NUMBER OF, OF, UH, THINGS THAT COME UNDER THAT PERSONAL SERVICE, UH, HEADING.
AND THEN LAST AND LO UH, LAST BUT DEFINITELY NOT LEAST, THE 2008 MASTER, UH, PLAN FOR OUR DOWNTOWN, UH, INDICATED THAT THIS PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING PROPERTY, SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED FOR LOFTS, UH, AND POTENTIALLY OFFICE OVER RETAIL.
NOW, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A STUDY THAT WE DID, UH, IN 2008.
OBVIOUSLY ANY OF THE USES ALLOWED BY THE ZONING NOW WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON THAT PROPERTY.
UH, BUT WE CAN GET DEEPER INTO THOSE CONVERSATIONS HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
MICHAEL, QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THE APPRAISAL OF 8 0 1 JUST STRIKES ME AS JUST GRABBING A NUMBER THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY, ANY SENSE.
I MEAN, IT'S THE COLLIN COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT'S NUMBER, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BUT WE'RE A TAX-FREE PROPERTY, SO WE'RE NOT GETTING TAXED ANYWAY.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU PUT A DOLLAR ON THERE, 10 BILLION, IT'S THE SAME THING.
SO WE HAVE NO REAL, WE'RE UNDER NO REAL, I IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A MARKET VALUE ON THIS.
THIS IS JUST THE ASSESSED VALUE THAT C AD PLACES ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS NOT AN APPRAISAL THAT WE'VE DONE.
YOU'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE WEEDS WHEN WE GET INTO THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
WE ABSOLUTELY WANT A FAIR MARKET APPRAISAL TO SEE WHAT THIS LAND IS WORTH.
THAT NUMBER IS JUST WHAT C CA ASSESSES.
AND IT IS, AGAIN, JUST, I JUST, I'LL BURY THIS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER CUZ I'M NOT TAXING US ANYWAY.
SO NO ONE'S GONNA SIT THERE EVERY YEAR AND SAY, OH, THIS IS THE WRONG NUMBER, BECAUSE IT COULDN'T MAKE ANY LESS DIFFERENCE.
SO, PROPERTY NUMBER TWO, UM, CITY HALL, WE'RE IN IT RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THERE ARE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT 200 TO 250, UH, FOOT BLOCK LENGTH.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF SIMILARITY IN THE SIZES OF THESE TRACKS.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, PUT WHATEVER VALUE YOU WANT INTO C AD'S ASSESSED, UH, NUMBERS, BUT 1.3 MILLION, UM, LOCATED WITHIN THE TURS ZONING, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING ALREADY ENTITLED, ALLOWS UP TO FIVE STORIES, ALLOWS A MULTITUDE OF LAND USES.
UH, AGAIN, ONE OF STRESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, NOT LAND JUICES, NOT REZONING.
UM, AND THEN VERY SIMILAR TO THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING, TOWN CENTER STUDY MASTER PLAN FROM 2008, ANTICIPATED LOFTS IN OFFICE OVER A GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.
JUST A CONCEPT THAT COULD MANIFEST ITSELF IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE A HISTORICAL MARKER OUT FRONT.
HOW MUCH OF AN IMPEDIMENT IS THAT TO REDEVELOP THIS BUILDING? UH, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO SAY AT THIS TIME.
I WILL TELL YOU, IF THE PROPERTY, IF THIS BUILDING WAS RETAINED, THERE MIGHT BE SOME HISTORIC TAX CREDITS THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR.
ULTIMATELY, IF THE PROPERTY, UH, WAS SCRAPED RAISED AND THE BUILDING WAS REMOVED, YOU'D LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF THAT.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE HOOPS THAT WE NEED TO JUMP THROUGH.
BUT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EXPLORE DEPENDING ON WHICH PROCESS.
ULTIMATELY, UH, WE END UP GOING DOWN.
SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY JUST LOCATED, UH, JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE CURRENT CITY HALL.
UM, ABOUT 82,000 SQUARE FEET, ESSENTIALLY TWO CITY BLOCKS COMBINED.
SO YOU'RE AROUND THAT 40,000 PER SQUARE, UH, BLOCK.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT DOUBLED THERE.
ALSO, PUT WHATEVER, UH, VALUE YOU WANT INTO C AD'S.
NUMBERS 680,000 LOCATED WITHIN TURS.
UM, AND THIS ONE, THE TOWN CENTER STUDY INDICATED PARKING GARAGE.
AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THAT, UH, FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE BEFORE ME, ANTICIPATED A PARKING GARAGE.
YOU'RE NOW TRANSITIONING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS OF OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AS YOU MOVE TO THE NORTH.
UH, SO YOU'RE SEEING THE INTRODUCTION OF MORE TOWN HOMES, MORE LIVE WORK, UH, INFILL TYPE USES.
AND AGAIN, SIMILARLY LOFTS, UH, AND OFFICE OVER GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, AND THEN THE PROPERTY JUST DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THAT PUBLIC PARKING LOT NUMBER OR LETTER B, UH, PROPERTY NUMBER FOUR FOR THE TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, AROUND THAT 40,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SIZE C AD VALUE, 350,000 LOCATED WITHIN THE TURS, SAME ZONING.
UH, AND THEN THE SAME DESIGNATION FOR THAT, UH, TOWN CENTER MASTER PLAN.
AGAIN, JUST AN ILLUSTRATIVE MASTER PLAN JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT COULD BE ON THE PROPERTY, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT SHOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, QUESTIONS THAT I'M GONNA POSEE TO YOU TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, SHOULD THE PROPERTIES BE REDEVELOPED NOW
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OR NOT NOW, I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH, WHEN I SAY NOW, WHATEVER PROCESS WE GO THROUGH IS GONNA TAKE TIME.I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE, THE IDEA THAT IF THE COUNCIL SAYS, REDEVELOP NOW THAT TOMORROW YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
THIS IS GONNA BE LONG AND DRAWN OUT.
GONNA BE VERY INTENTIONAL, WHICHEVER PROCESS WE GO THROUGH.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, SHOULD THE PROPERTIES BE REDEVELOPED NOW OR NOT? SECOND QUESTION, IF NOW, UM, AND NOW BEING, STARTING A PROCESS NOW, UH, SHOULD ALL OR JUST SOME OF THE PROPERTIES BE REDEVELOPED? AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I'LL POSE TO YOU IS, IF THE PROPERTIES ARE GONNA BE REDEVELOPED NOW, WHAT PROCESS SHOULD WE FOLLOW? SO DON'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
NOW, I'VE GOT A FEW PROS AND CONS.
NOW, I WAS TALKING TO SOME OF THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE AND THEY WOULD LIKE ME TO READ EVERY SYLLABLE ON THIS SLIDE TO YOU.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALL, WE'LL ASK YOU NOT TO
SO THERE'S SOME DISPUTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL DO THAT.
I JUST WANT TO HIT THE HIGH POINTS.
A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR, UM, IF WE DECIDE TO RETAIN ALL THE PROPERTIES, OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST PRO IS WE RETAIN ALL THE CONTROL, UH, OVER THE PROPERTIES.
MOVING TO THE CONS, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT BACK ON THE MARKET TO GENERATE AV TO GENERATE POTENTIAL SALES TAX IF IT WERE TO BE REDEVELOPED.
AND THEN FINANCIAL IMPACTS, AGAIN, UH, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE BUILDINGS AS THEY CONTINUE TO AGE? MAINTENANCE COSTS GO UP.
ARE WE GONNA LEASE 'EM OUT AFTER THE CITY STAFF VACATE? WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME LEASING ASSISTANCE THERE.
SO JUST SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT IF WE DECIDE, UH, THAT WE WANT TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTIES.
AGAIN, BIGGEST BENEFIT PROBABLY BEING YOU'RE THE MASTER OF YOUR DOMAIN.
YOU GET TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PROPERTY.
THE VALUE START, OR THE PROPERTY STARTS GENERATING TAX VALUE NEXT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT, I DON'T WANNA SAY A RISK, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE CITY IF WE, UH, ENGAGE IN REDEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THERE'S GONNA BE A FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE CITY.
WHETHER IT'S A PARTNERSHIP, WHETHER IT'S REDEVELOPING IT ON YOUR OWN OR, OR SOME OTHER, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FINANCIAL IMPACT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT THOSE IMPACTS WILL BE.
SO IF YOU SAY, YES, LET'S GO AHEAD AND REDEVELOP NOW.
NOW THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GONNA RETAIN SOME OF THE PROPERTY? ARE YOU GONNA PUT 'EM ALL ON THE MARKET? AGAIN, PROS, IF YOU RETAIN SOME OF THE PROPERTY ON THOSE PROPERTIES YOU RETAIN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER IT.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DISPUTE OVER WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AND HOW IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.
CONS, AGAIN, BACK TO THAT TAX ROLLS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE LONGER WE HANG ONTO IT, IT'S NOT GETTING BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS.
AND AGAIN, THOSE OBVIOUS FISCAL, UH, IMPACTS COME WITH THAT DECISION.
AGAIN, IF WE DON'T RETAIN ANY PROPERTY, IF IT GOES TO REDEVELOPMENT, OBVIOUSLY MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TAX VALUE BACK ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN LOWER, UH, MAINTENANCE COSTS.
IF WE DECIDE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA REDEVELOP THESE BUILDINGS, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF WE GO OUT TO, UH, EITHER AN AS-IS SALE OR WE DO AN RFQ, THERE ARE GONNA BE ASSOCIATED COSTS WITH THAT.
AN APPRAISAL, MARKET, CONSULTANTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO LET'S DECIDE THAT, OR LET'S ASSUME THAT WE SAY, YEP, WE WANT TO PUT ALL THOSE FOUR PROPERTIES ON THE TABLE FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
WHY, WHY DO YOU USE WORD REDEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF SELL? YOU COULD, YOU COULD SELL.
WELL, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY, WHY, WHY WE'RE USING THE WORD REDEVELOP.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE COULD REDEVELOP IT.
UH, OR WE COULD SELL IT AND REDEVELOP IT.
BUT ISN'T THAT THE SAME IF WE RETAIN IT THAT WE CAN REDEVELOP IT? YOU COULD.
SO WHY ARE WE USING RETAIN AND REDEVELOP? WHY AREN'T WE SAYING KEEP IT OR SELL IT? WELL, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY YOU COULD REPHRASE IT THAT WAY.
I MEAN, I, I JUST CURIOUS, HUH? I'M GONNA PAUSE THIS PRESENTATION.
NO, I THINK YOUR POINT IS A GOOD ONE.
WE ABSOLUTELY COULD REFRAME IT THAT WAY.
IT, IT MAKES ME SUSPECT THAT THERE'S SOME WORDSMITHING GOING ON HERE TO HIDE WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING.
WELL, I MEAN, WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IS I'M POSING SOME QUESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE PROPERTY, REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS YOU ARE, UH, ON YOUR OWN OR SELL THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET TO, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS SLIDE.
WELL, AND IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, YOU CAN, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY WAYS TO SKIN THE CAT ON THIS.
YOU, YOU CAN SELL THE PROPERTY AND JUST SAY, LET THE MARKET DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
SO YOU COULD ALSO, UM, SELL THE PROPERTY, OR I SHOULD SAY, CONVEY THE PROPERTY AS PART OF AN OVERALL REDEVELOPMENT DEAL WITH A DEVELOPER WHO'S
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GONNA REDEVELOP AND PUT THE PROPERTY ON THE TAX, THE PROPERTY WE CONVEYED TO THEM, AND THE PROPERTY PLACED ON AS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ON THE TAX RULES.THAT WAY YOU RETAIN MORE CONTROL THAN IT WOULD BE IF YOU JUST SOLD IT AND, AND LET SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY THAT MAY SIT THERE FOR INDEFINITE PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THERE'S SOME NUANCES TO THIS THAT I THINK MICHAEL'S GONNA SORT OF FLUSH OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND I THINK WHY REDEVELOP? BECAUSE MY ASSUMPTION IS EVEN IF YOU SELL IT, SOMEBODY'S GONNA BUY IT WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE GONNA REDEVELOP IT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS SLIDE IS ALL ABOUT THAT QUESTION.
ULTIMATELY, UM, ARE WE GOING TO REDEVELOP THE, UH, THE PROPERTIES VIA A, A PARTNERSHIP VIA REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS? OR ARE WE GONNA SELL IT OUTRIGHT AND LET SOME PRIVATE DEVELOPER DEVELOP IT ON THEIR OWN TIMEFRAMES WITH WHATEVER CAVEATS THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PUT IN IT, UH, VIA DEED RESTRICTION OR A COVENANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ULTIMATELY, THAT WOULD BE A FEE.
UH, OR TO A, A NEW DEVELOPER, OBVIOUSLY THE PROS OF REDEVELOPING VIA PARTNERSHIP.
YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE.
YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO LEVERAGE A LAND USE THAT MAYBE THE MARKET WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BEAR ON ITS OWN, UH, VIA THAT PARTNERSHIP.
SOME CONS, AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME UNKNOWNS, UH, BASED ON WHAT THAT PARTNERSHIP WILL LOOK LIKE.
THERE'S SOME, UH, YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PUT MORE MONEY THAN YOU ORIGINALLY THOUGHT INTO THAT PARTNERSHIP.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, FINANCIAL IMPACTS, UH, THAT PARTNERSHIP IS UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT, WHAT THAT PARTNERSHIP WILL SHAKE OUT TO LOOK LIKE, UNKNOWN.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU SELL, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, PHILLIPS, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S EASY, FAST.
WE JUST PUT IT OUT ON THE MARKET AND THE PERSON THAT'S WILLING TO PAY THE MOST GETS IT.
UM, WE HAVE LIMITED CONTROL IN THAT.
SURE, WE COULD PUT SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY.
WE COULD NEGOTIATE SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UH, AS PART OF THE SALE, BUT IT MIGHT IMPACT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WHEN WE DO THAT.
UH, AND THEN LAST FINANCIAL IMPACTS, AGAIN, THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME CONSULTANTS THAT WE NEED ASSISTANCE WITH.
WE'RE GONNA NEED AN APPRAISAL TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE, THE, THAT WE SHOULD BE ACCEPTING FOR THE PROPERTY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO LET'S ASSUME THAT WE GO DOWN THE ROAD OF REDEVELOPING, UH, VIA PARTNERSHIP, THAT REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.
THIS IS A, A PROCESS THAT YOU MIGHT ANTICIPATE.
SO OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW, IF THE COUNCIL SAYS JUMP, WE ARE AT THAT LAUNCH POINT, UH, RIGHT NOW.
SO DO WE WANT TO DEVELOP NOW OR NOT? AND IF WE WANT TO DEVELOP NOW, DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE RFQ PROCESS? THERE MIGHT BE SOME PUBLIC INPUT, A TOWN HALL STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, UH, THAT WE GO OUT BEFORE WE DRAFT THE RFQ JUST TO GET EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK, ALSO EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK.
ULTIMATELY, UH, WE WANT THIS TO BE AN INCLUSIVE, UH, PROCESS TO THE EXTENT WE CAN.
SO WE WANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM EVERYONE.
UM, THEN WE WOULD GO FORWARD DRAFTING THE, UH, THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT, THE PUBLICATION THAT GOES OUT THERE TO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT SAYS, HEY, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PARTNER WITH US, COME RESPOND TO OUR RFQ.
UM, FROM THAT, WE'LL VET ALL THE RESPONSES.
WE WILL, UH, PULL TOGETHER A SHORT LIST, INTERVIEW THEM, UH, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE SELECTED OR THE TOP FEW, UH, RESPONSES WILL COME TO THE COUNCIL AND AN ANTICIPATE, THEY'LL MAKE A PRESENTATION TO YOU AS WELL AS THE P PUBLIC ON WHY THEY'RE THE RIGHT PARTNER, UH, FOR THE CITY.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WE'LL GO INTO NEGOTIATIONS TO STRUCTURE THAT PARTNERSHIP AND ULTIMATELY, UH, PAPER THINGS UP THAT WAY.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE PARTNERSHIP ROUTE IF YOU, UH, IF YOU WILL, THE OTHER, AS I INDICATED, VERY, VERY MUCH QUICKER.
UM, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THE RFQ ROUTE, WE'D RATHER JUST GO FEE SIMPLE AS IS.
LET'S GO GET, UM, WE'RE AT THE LAUNCH POINT AGAIN ON THAT DECISION.
LET'S GO GET, UM, AN APPRAISAL, FIND OUT WHAT THE VALUES ARE WORTH, UM, LET'S TALK THROUGH WHAT KIND OF COVENANTS OR RESTRICTIONS WE WOULD WANNA RETAIN ON THOSE PROPERTY.
UH, AND THEN LET'S START REACHING OUT AND, AND FIGURING OUT WHO WANTS TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY FROM US.
YOU CAN SEE ON, ON THIS PROCESS, UH, AS, AS EARLY AS THIS SUMMER, WE COULD WRAP SOMETHING UP ON THIS.
UM, AND SO REALLY THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
I JUST WANT TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, BUT ULTIMATELY, ANY DIRECTION THAT YOU SEE FIT TO PROVIDE FOR US, UH, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE, AND I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
MICHAEL, I'LL START BY SAYING THAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TAXPAYER TO NOT JUST SIT ON LAND, SIT ON BY YOUR PROPERTY THAT, UM, AT EVERY LEVEL, YOU ALREADY MENTIONED THEM AT LAUREN TAX BASE AND, AND SALES AND ALL THAT.
UM, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF A, UH, OF AN RFQ PROCESS WHERE WE, WE ARE, WHILE WE, WE HEAR, WHILE WE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, WE ARE, WE MAKE A REQUEST TO DEVELOPERS FOR THEM TO COME FORWARD WITH WHAT THEIR PLAN WOULD BE FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF BE THAT, THAT LIAISON BETWEEN PUBLIC INPUT AND
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REIGN TRUST UP HERE AND, UH, AND, AND HELP DETERMINE, UM, OR HAVE A ROLE IN, IN, UH, IN, IN DETERMINING WHAT GETS BUILT AND DEVELOPED WOULD BE WHERE I STAND.I JUST THINK THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT IN THE PROPERTY OWNING BUSINESS.
WE NEED TO PUT THIS BACK INTO ACTIONABLE, UH, PROPERTY AND, AND GET IT USED.
I I, I SEE THIS THING BEING BULLDOZED AND PUT A HOTEL HERE.
I THINK DOWNTOWN NEEDS A, A, A NICE HOTEL THAT WOULD BRING IN LOTS OF BUSINESS.
I THINK IT WOULD HELP BUSINESSES AROUND HERE.
UH, I MEAN, I JUST THINK THERE'S LOTS OF IDEAS THAT, UM, THAT YOU COULD DO WITH THESE, THESE PROPERTIES.
BUT, UH, I, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL THAT JUST WANTS TO OPEN IT UP AND JUST SELL IT AND NOT HAVE THE CONTROL.
UH, SO I THINK THAT THE RFQ PROCESS IS PROBABLY WHAT WE WOULD ALL, UH, WANT AND, UM, AND CONTROL THAT AND, AND THEN GET IT OUT THERE AND GET THESE, GET PEOPLE BACK IN THESE BUILDINGS IN SOME F FORMER FASHION, WHETHER THESE BUILDINGS OR NEW BUILDINGS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN YOU, I'M THE STILL THE NEWEST GUY ON COUNCIL, AND WHEN YOU JOIN COUNCIL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CARRY ON WHAT PREVIOUS COUNCILS DID NOT TO INTERRUPT THE WORK FREQUENTLY.
AND, AND, AND AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BOND ISSUE WAS, I THINK IN, WAS IT 17 OR 19 THAT DID CITY HALL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL WAS IMAGINED AT AN X COST, BUT WE WOUND UP APPROVING IT THIS YEAR AT X PLUS SOME.
AND IT'S JUST, YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP THAT TRAIN MOVING.
ONCE THE TRAIN'S LEFT THE STATION.
YOU'VE JUST GOTTA KEEP THINGS GOING AND, AND SITUATIONS ARISE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT EXTRA COST WENT ON THE TAXPAYER.
AND I'M KEENLY AWARE OF THAT, AND I'VE LONG THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE TO THIS COIN.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE PAID MORE FOR CITY HALL THAN WE WANTED TO OR HOPED, BUT THIS LAND WENT UP IN VALUE TWO.
AND SO I'M, I'M VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR PRO TEMER SAYING.
AND THAT IS THAT I'M VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM STAFF, UH, AND MR. SCHWARZ, YOUR POINT, AND JOHNNY, YOUR POINT ON THE PARKING I, I THOUGHT WAS A REALLY GOOD ONE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? I WOULD MAKE A COMMENT THAT I THINK THAT PAID PARKING IS LIKE CHER NOBLE.
NO ONE'S GONNA WANT TO GO IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, I SEE THE ONE ACROSS FROM THE YARD AND IT'S CRICKETS, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
NO ONE WANTS TO PAY THAT 10 BUCKS FOR SOME REASON.
WE'LL SPEND 10 BUCKS ON SOMETHING.
WE AIN'T GONNA SPEND IT ON PARKING.
WE'RE GONNA GO HUNTING BACK FOR A PARKING SPOT.
SO I, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST PARKING AT ALL.
I, I QUESTION THE VERACITY OF PAID PARKING, BUT I'D LIKE FOR THE CITY, IF THEY HAVE IDEAS THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BUILD SOMETHING TO COME TO US NOW TO LOOK AT THESE SPOTS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO NEGOTIATE IN THE MARKET TO BUY PROPERTY.
AND WE'RE SELLING THIS ONE ON ONE HAND AND BUYING IT ON ANOTHER.
SO PENDING WHAT THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR ANY OF, UH, ADDITIONAL PARKING OR FUTURE BUILD, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PLAY THAT OUT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN RETURNING IT TO THE TAXPAYER.
I, AND I THINK ON THE PARKING ISSUE, IF, IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS, AND WE ARE, WE ARE IN THAT ROLE AS WE SOLICIT DEVELOPERS COME IN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UH, WITH IDEAS.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALL IMAGINE, AND STAFF CAN IMAGINE, AND WE CAN IMAGINE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM CAN IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
BUT WHEN WE OPEN IT UP, WE'LL OPEN UP TWO DEVELOPERS FROM POTENTIALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WILL COME WITH IDEAS THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE MENTIONED YET.
AND LET ME ADD TO SOMETHING TO THAT.
I'M NOT THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE ROOM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT MAN, THE PEOPLE WHO'VE DEVELOPED OUR DOWNTOWN HAVE BEEN STEWARDS OF IT, HAVE DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB.
AND THAT SIMPLY EVIDENCED BY WHAT A MAGNET IT IS.
AND SO I I, I DO HAVE A LEVEL OF TRUST FOR THE PRIVATE MARKET THAT THEY'RE GONNA COME IN WITH GREAT IDEAS THAT I DON'T HAVE.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR WHEN I SAY THAT AND WE OPEN IT UP, AND I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE WE WILL GET INTEREST FROM WELL OUTSIDE THIS AREA.
WE, I, I BELIEVE THAT MCKINNEY IS, IS KNOWN.
IT IS A, IT IS A HOT MARKET, THIS WHOLE AREA IS.
UM, BUT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AS I STATED ORIGINALLY, UM, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND, TO YOUR POINT, UM, PATRICK, ABOUT THE, THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE HERE NOW THAT HAVE BEEN HERE, WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UM, THAT, UH, THE INPUT FROM, FROM YOU RESIDENTS AND AND US APPEAR WILL PLAY A ROLE AS WELL.
IT'S NOT GONNA, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE RFQ PROCESS ALLOWS US TO HAVE THAT INTERACTION VERSUS JUST PUTTING ON THE MARKET WHERE SOMEONE COULD COME IN.
AND, UM, AS YOU SAID, UH, MR. QUINT, THE, WHAT, WHAT IS ALLOWED HERE RIGHT NOW IS PRETTY WIDE OPEN.
AND, UH, AND, AND SO WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE GREAT CARE AND HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S DEVELOPED.
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FORMALIZING SOME WAY TO, UM, SEEK COMMUNITY INPUT WOULD BE VALUABLE IN THIS.UM, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT IT ON THE, THE PROCESS SLIDE.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT BOTH BEFORE AND DURING AN RFQ PROCESS.
UM, I, I, I'VE SAID FOR, FOR A WHILE THAT I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A VALUABLE ASPECT TO THIS.
AND, AND I, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME SHARED GOALS FOR THE OUTCOMES WE WOULD LIKE WITH THESE PROPERTIES, OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTING TO THE TAX BASE, UM, PEOPLE GENERATING PROPERTIES, THINGS THAT BRING PEOPLE TO THIS AREA, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT WILL BACKFILL WHAT WE'RE PULLING OUT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MOVING THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE'RE MOVING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, REVENUE IMPACTS TO RESTAURANTS AND TO, TO COFFEE SHOPS AND ALL THE, ALL THOSE IMPACTS NEED TO, TO BE CONSIDERED AND, AND, AND FILLED BACK.
BUT I, I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE GOALS NEED TO BE EXPANDED TO, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKING OBVIOUSLY A LOT THROUGH HERE, BUT ALSO WAY FINDING, LIKE IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN AND OUT OF THIS DOWNTOWN? HOW DO WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO COME IN AND OUT OF THIS DOWNTOWN AND WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE PROPERTIES PROVIDES US? AND, AND MAKING THAT CONSIDERATION.
AND NOT TO SAY THAT SOMETHING SHOULD DELAY THAT, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS ON THE HORIZON THAT IMPACT THAT AS WELL.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL LIGHT AT LAMAR STREET AND ACCESS THAT COMES FROM LAMAR STREET, THAT CHANGES KIND OF POTENTIAL LAND USE WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT MAY BE A GOOD DIRECT CON UH, ROUTE TO A PARKING GARAGE THAT'S NEAR RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA OR WHATNOT.
AND SO I, I JUST, I THINK FROM A SCOPE STANDPOINT, I THINK SETTING THOSE GOALS, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY AND EXPANDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF, UM, UM, WHAT THIS WILL, WILL, WILL ULTIMATELY DO FOR DOWNTOWN, BEYOND JUST A PROPERTY SPECIFIC USE THAT, THAT WE CAN GO OUT TO AN RFQ FOR.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO, TO REMAKE THIS AREA, UM, FROM A BUNCH OF PARKING LOTS TO A BUNCH OF, OF, OF CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES.
AND SO, UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR CITYWIDE SLIDE? YES, SIR.
AND I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, MICHAEL, BUT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOT THIS LITTLE L-SHAPED OR TETRA SHAPED FORMATION RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE, BUT WE DO HAVE A PARKING GARAGE DIRECTLY TO THE, I MEAN, A PARKING LOT DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND IN MY MIND, IF WE'RE TALKING PARKING, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN A, A DECK IS EXPECTED.
THERE'S NO REASON THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE LOOKED AT AS WELL.
UM, AND, AND THE SAME FOR, UM, I KNOW THERE'S SOME, SOME POTENTIAL USES WITH THE BACK OF THE FIREHOUSE, BUT YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT SOME EXTRA LAND THERE THAT, THAT COULD ALSO BE INCLUDED IN WHAT, WHAT REALLY WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO US.
SO COUNCILMAN BELLARD TO THAT POINT, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC WATCHING, UM, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP VIA THE RFQ PROCESS.
YOU VERY WELL MAY HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT SAYS, MAN, I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHAT ABOUT THAT PROPERTY? UM, AND THAT MAY, THAT MAY COME INTO THE PROCESS.
SO, UH, YOUR POINT IS A GOOD ONE.
BUT WHEN, WHEN I SEE THAT I SEE A, AN ENTRANCE ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE THROUGH LAMAR, AND I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL TO CHANGE THAT, THAT I THINK IS BROADER THAN JUST AN RFQ FOR A SPECIFIC PROPERTY USE.
SO I'M GONNA SAY I AGREE WITH, SO THE RFQ IS DEFINITELY THE WAY TO GO.
I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO ENGAGE OUR BOARDS, THE HPA B BOARD MM-HMM.
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WHAT DOES OUR COMMUNITY WANT TO SEE FROM OUR DOWNTOWN? WE HAVE A LOT OF REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECTS, RIGHT, OF DEVELOPMENT HERE.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE COMMERCIAL, I THINK ALL OF US WANT TO SEE THAT THE FABRIC REALLY KIND OF STAYS THE SAME AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO GETTING SOME INPUT SPECIFICALLY FROM THOSE BOARDS WOULD BE GREAT.
AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF ENTERTAINMENT RESIDENTIAL, UH, SPACES OR PARKING SPACES
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ARE, ARE DEVELOPED HERE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE ENGAGE THEM IN THIS CONVERSATION DEEPLY WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY ONE NUANCE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID.IF YOU RECALL THE OLD COURTHOUSE SITE, WHICH WE SOLD AND IT WAS BUILT, UH, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT UNDER STATE LAW TO SELL THESE PROPERTIES AT FAIR MARKET, WHICH WE DETERMINE FAIR MARKET BY APPRAISAL.
AND IN AN RFP PROCESS, THEN THE RESPONDENTS CAN RESPOND THAT THEY PURCHASE THE PROPERTIES AT FAIR MARKET VALUE, BUT THEY MAY WANT SOMETHING IN THE FORM OF INCENTIVES OR OTHER THINGS TO, UH, DO THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY PROPOSE.
BUT THE PUBLIC IS GUARANTEED THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES IN ANY TRANSACTION OF THIS NATURE.
UM, I, I HEARD THAT WHEN RFP WAS THE GENERAL CONSENSUS, BUT IF YOU DID A SALE, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF FAIR MARKET VALUE OF AN APPRAISAL THAT YOU SET.
SO MAYBE THE FIRST THING TO DO IS GET APPRAISALS ON THESE THINGS.
AND WE DID AGREE THAT OVER THERE.
AND THEN, UH, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, UH, THE, THE SHAW GROUP, UH, BUILT SOME, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY AND WE HAD SOME OTHER PROPERTIES INVOLVED.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE CONSIDERED IN THAT TRANSACTION, BUT THAT THE PUBLIC'S, UH, INTEREST IN THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS PRESERVED.
ONE, ONE OTHER THING, IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE APPRAISAL, IF YOU GO THE RFQ ROUTE, WHICH I THINK IS THE CONSENSUS I'M HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL, UH, STAFF WOULD ALSO BE RECOMMENDING THAT WE GO OUT TO A MARKET CONSULTANT TO GET SOME FEEL FOR ONE, WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR.
AND IF WE OFFER AN INCENTIVE OF X AMOUNT, WHAT OTHER USES OR WHAT OTHER DOORS DOES THAT OPEN UP TO US? SO, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A NUMBER OF CONSULTANTS, A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE WILL NEED TO ARM THE COUNCIL WITH BEFORE YOU GUYS CAN MAKE, UH, THE BEST DECISION.
SO ALL OF THAT IN DUE TIME, FOR SURE.
I COULD TIE A BOW AROUND THIS FOR A SECOND.
ON BEHALF OF STAFF, MICHAEL, THANK YOU.
THESE ARE THRESHOLD QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL TODAY ON A, DO YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A PRIORITY, IT'S GONNA BE A KEY PART OF OUR WORK PLAN FOR THE NEXT YEAR, NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, THEN WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS BASED ON FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN HERE IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT ALWAYS IS VALUABLE TO CONFER AND CONSULT WITH YOUR COMMUNITY AND THE STAKEHOLDERS.
BECAUSE YOU WANNA SET, YOU WANNA ESTABLISH SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT ARE GONNA GOVERN US GOING FORWARD, UH, THAT THE COUNCIL CAN SORT OF COALESCE AROUND AND SAY, YES, WE WON.
WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAXIMIZE AWAR VALUE.
IF THAT'S ONE OF THEM, IT MAY NOT BE.
UM, BUT YOU'LL, THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES WILL HELP US BECAUSE THEY'LL BE, WE THAT WILL BE WOVEN INTO THE RFQ TO THE MARKETPLACE SO THAT THE MARKETPLACE KNOWS FULL WELL WHAT THE COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES ARE.
AND THOSE PRIORITIES, AGAIN, ARE HELPED, UH, TO BE SHAPED AND, AND MOLDED BY THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND THE STAKEHOLDERS ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
THAT WAY, UM, THERE'S NO SURPRISES.
THERE'S NO, UH, IT IS AN INCLUSIVE PROCESS AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE CITY COMMUNICATES, WHAT THE CITY'S PRIORITIES ARE WITH RESPECT TO THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA SEE MICHAEL A LOT MORE AS HE BRINGS THIS STEP BY STEP, UH, FORWARD WITH YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, DISCUSSION.
[Consider/Discuss an Update to TxDOT’s US 380 Environmental Impact Study]
WE'LL MOVE TO TWO, UH, 2326 CONSIDERED, DISCUSS AN UPDATE ON TECH DOT'S US THREE 80 ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY.YOU ARE A POPULAR MAN IN THE ROOM TODAY, MR. GRAHAM.
UM, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY DECISIONS.
I KNOW WE'RE JUST REPEAT REPEATING INFORMATION WE HAVE HEARD.
SO, UH, GARY GRAHAM, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.
GARY, FOR JUST, I WANNA STATE THAT AGAIN IN CASE CUZ YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE OFF MIC SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.
YOU ARE RIGHT NOW CONVEYING INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN PRE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US BY TECH DOT.
SO, UH, GARY GRAHAM, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, UM, WE WANTED TO GIVE THE COUNCIL AN UPDATE ON THE THREES US THREE 80 PROJECT, THE EISS, UM, THAT TEXDOT IS CONDUCTING.
SO JUST REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY.
UM, TEXT.IS CONDUCTING FIVE INDIVIDUAL, UH, STUDIES FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR, CORRIDOR FROM HUNT COUNTY LINE TO THE DENTON COUNTY LINE.
UH, TWO OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE WITHIN MCKINNEY.
SO FIRST ON JANUARY 13TH, TECH DOT RELEASED THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT FOR THE THREE 80 CORRIDOR.
AND IN THAT, UH, INFORMATION, THEY SELECTED THE ROUTE A, E, AND C AND DID NOT SELECT B AND D.
UH, B WAS THE ROUTE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAD PREFERRED TO GO THROUGH PROSPER, UM, TEXT DOT FOR VARIOUS REASONS, DECIDED TO GO WITH A,
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UM, THIS JUST IS THE, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING THE BLUE ALIGNMENT.IF YOU HEAR THE BLUE ALIGNMENT, THAT'S WHAT, UH, IT WAS THE TEXT DOT OPTION.
THIS JUST SHOWS, UH, SHOWS THAT, AND WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY, UM, IF YOU ATTEND THOSE, THIS IS THE GRAPHIC YOU'LL SEE THERE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, LATE LAST YEAR, TEXT DOT SELECTED AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE SPUR 3 99 EXTENSION, AND THAT'S THE ORANGE ALIGNMENT, UH, THAT GOES TO THE EAST OF THE AIRPORT.
NOW REMEMBER, THAT WAS A VERY STRATEGIC DECISION, UH, UH, THAT BENEFITED THE CA UH, THE CITY, UH, MCKINNEY BECAUSE IT HELPED ACTIVATE THE AIRPORT, UH, FOR AN EXPANSION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT.
SO, UH, THAT WAS VERY GOOD NEWS, UH, FOR US WHEN THEY CAME OUT WITH THAT.
THEY'VE ALREADY HAD ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR THE 3 99 PROJECT AND, UH, THAT PUBLIC MEETING IS NOW OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD'S CLOSED, AND THEY ARE MOVING FOR A RECORD OF DECISION FOR THAT PROJECT IN, UH, THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR, MARCH OR APRIL, UH, FOR THE THREE 80 PROJECT.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT RECOMMENDED, UH, RECORD OF DECISION IN THE SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME.
SO WHEN THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RECORD OF DECISION IS THAT IS THE TIME TECH STOCK CAN MOVE FORWARD AND START, UH, ACQUIRING RIGHT AWAY.
SO TO DO THAT RIGHT AWAY, ACQUISITION TECH DOT REQUIRES AN AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL AGENCIES, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN 10%, UH, OF THE COST FOR RIGHT OF WAY AND UTILITY RELOCATION.
AND SO, UM, THE TOP, UH, CHART THERE SHOWS THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.
AND SO WHAT TEXTILE WILL HAVE AT THE THREE 80 MEETING, AND THEY KIND OF PROVIDED A COPY WHEN THEY MET WITH, UH, THE CITIES, UH, ON JANUARY 12TH, WAS THEY HAVE A DECISION MATRIX.
AND ON THAT DECISION MATRIX, IT HAS A LIST OF, UH, PER SEGMENT, HOW MUCH THEY ANTICIPATED RIGHT OF AWAY AND UTILITY RELOCATION COSTS.
SO I HAVE JUST REGURGITATED THAT INFORMATION THAT IS BASED ON THE 60% SCHEMATIC.
SO I ANTICIPATE THAT NUMBER GOING UP THAT TOP LINE FOR RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, AND UTILITY RELOCATION IS NOT PER CITY, IT IS, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
IT DOES NOT BREAK IT DOWN BETWEEN, FOR INSTANCE, ON PROSPER MCKINNEY OR COLLIN COUNTY.
SO TECH DOT WILL ATTRIBUTE YOUR COST BASED ON WHAT'S IN YOUR JURISDICTION.
SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S EVER IN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY IS WHAT THEY'LL ASSESS OUR 10% VALUE ON.
WE HAVE ASKED FOR THAT TECH DOT'S WORKING ON FINALIZING THOSE NUMBERS, BUT WE WANTED TO GET A, A ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL SO YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, KIND OF SOME OF THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD, UH, TO, TO THE CITY TO TO, TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT.
THE NEXT CHART DOWN IS CITY RELOCATION, OUR CITY UTILITY RELOCATION COSTS.
SO, UM, WHEN WE LOOKED WITH WORK WITH TEXT DOT ON THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, SPECIFICALLY THE A AND B ALIGNMENT, WE DID A LOT OF WORK ON SEGMENT A TO KIND OF IDENTIFY WHAT TYPE OF UTILITIES, WATER AND SEWER WOULD HAVE TO BE RELOCATED.
SO WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS.
SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF ABOUT $80 MILLION OF CITY UTILITIES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED.
UH, SOME OF THAT'S IN A PRIVATE EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE GONE OUT AND PREVIOUSLY ACQUIRED.
SOME OF THAT IS IN TEXT RIGHT AWAY.
UM, AS YOU CAN LOOK AT E AND C, WE DID A, ONCE THEY MADE THE DECISION, UH, ON THE 12TH, WE DID A HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT THOSE.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE STILL ROUGH, ROUGHER NUMBERS.
UM, BUT THAT 113 MILLION IS, IS A KEY NUMBER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT NUM, THAT'S MONEY THAT THE CITY OF MCKINNEY HAS TO GO OUT CONTRACT.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DESIGN BY EASEMENTS AND CONTRACT FOR NOW TO GET THEIR PROJECT, UH, GET OUR UTILITIES OUTTA THE WAY SO THEY CAN BUILD THE THREE 80 PROJECT.
SIMILARLY ON SPREE SQUARE 3 99, UM, THAT RIGHT AWAY UTILITY ON THAT THIRD LINE THERE, THOSE ARE FOR THE TOTAL IMPACTED, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, THAT'S GONNA BE COLLIN COUNTY AND THE CITY OF MCKINNEY.
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT SPLIT IS YET.
AND THEN WE HAVE, CONVERSELY, THE UTILITY RELOCATIONS FOR, UH, SPUR 3 99, ONLY 7 MILLION, BUT TOGETHER THAT 120 MILLION IS STARING US RIGHT IN THE FACE.
SO TECH DOT WANTS TO HAVE THESE PROJECTS READY TO LET, WHICH MEANS READY TO BID AND SEND OUT TO CONTRACTORS IN 2026.
TYPICALLY THOSE UTILITIES ARE MOVED BEFORE THEY'RE READY TO LET DATE.
SO LET'S SAY IT'S THE END OF 2026, EARLY 27, THAT'S $120 MILLION WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FRONT AND PAY FOR TO GET THOSE UTILITIES OUTTA THE WAY TO PREPARE FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, BUT, UM, PROJECT BUDGETS.
SO WE ARE, WE NEED TO LOOK TO OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS, THE COUNTY AND THE COG TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE THAT COULD HELP, UM, WITH THAT.
UM, I KNOW THAT YESTERDAY, UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, THEY STARTED TO DISCUSS THIS YESTERDAY.
UM, AND ONE THING THAT WASN'T CLEAR AND SOME COMMUNICATIONS WE MADE TO THEM IS THAT 72 MILLION FOR THE, THE 10 MILLION FOR 3 99 AND 62 MILLION FOR
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US THREE 80.THEY INTERPRETED THAT TO BE ALL CITY AND MCKINNEY COSTS THAT WE WERE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT.
UM, AND NOT REALIZING THAT'S SPLIT BETWEEN THE THREE ENTITIES.
SO THEY HAD SOME CONFUSION ON THAT.
UM, COLLIN COUNTY HAS 249 MILLION AVAILABLE TO USE ON THIS.
THEY REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE A BIG PORTION THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY ON ALL FIVE SEGMENTS OF COUNTY RIGHT AWAY THAT HAS TO BE ACQUIRED OR FOR THEIR 10%.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IF THEY WERE TO ASSIST THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, THEY DIDN'T NEED TO LOOK AT EQUITY, UM, BETWEEN THE OTHER, UH, COLIN COUNTY COMMUNITIES.
UM, SO THEY'RE CONSIDERING THAT.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER WEBB, WHO IS ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED THAT HE THOUGHT THAT THE RTC, UH, WOULD BE WILLING PARTNER.
UM, THERE'S A CHALLENGE WITH THAT.
UM, THE RTC DEALS MAINLY IN FEDERAL FUNDS.
UM, THE FEDERAL FUNDS CAN'T BE USED FOR THE LOCAL MATCH ON A PROJECT THAT'S FUNDED WITH FEDERAL FUNDS.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, MAYBE THERE'S AN AVENUE FOR THE RTC TO HELP WITH THE, UH, 120 MILLION.
UM, SO WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM TECH DOT, WHAT WE KIND OF STARTED HERE FROM THE COUNTY YESTERDAY, AND THEN, UM, BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I MEAN, GARY, I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY STATED IT.
THE COUNTY HAS IDENTIFIED 247 MILLION REMAINING IN THEIR LAST, UM, THEIR BOND ISSUE THAT THEY ARE COMMITTED TO SPEND.
OF COURSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RIGHT OF WAY AND WHATNOT TO DEAL WITH, BUT, UM, THERE'S 247 MILLION, UH, TOTAL FUNDS THAT THEY'RE GONNA COMMIT TO THREE 80 IN ITS ENTIRETY.
SO ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD COME TO MCKINNEY YET, IT'S TOO EARLY FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT, UM, THEY HAVE MADE THAT, UH, KNOWN IN PUBLIC, IN THEIR PUBLIC MEETING DISCUSSION YESTERDAY THAT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO THE THREE 80 PROJECT AND BENEFITING THIS CITY AND THE OTHERS, UH, TO THE EXTENT, UH, THAT THEY HAVE, UM, BANDWIDTH WITHIN THE 247 MILLION QUESTIONS.
DID YOU EVER DO A CALCULATION FOR THE CITY UTILITY RELOCATION COSTS BASED ON THE OTHER ROUTE? IF THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE? IF, IF IF ALIGNMENT B WERE HAD BEEN SELECTED INSTEAD OF ALIGNMENT A MOST OF THAT 83 MILLION, UM, WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED.
BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WHEN THAT ROUTE COMES DOWN AND GETS BACK ON EXISTING THREE 80 MM-HMM.
AND SO THOSE ARE WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO MOVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT WILL BE REIMBURSED TO THE CITY OF THE 120 MILLION.
I FAILED TO AN, UH, TO ADD OF THE 120 MILLION WE'RE ANTICIPATING IN THE 80 MILLION WOULD BE REIMBURSED TO THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S IN PRIVATE EASEMENT.
40 MILLION WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO FOOT THE COST BECAUSE IT'S IN A, IT'S IN TECH DOTS RIGHT OF WAY.
WHO'S DOING THE REIMBURSING? GARY, OF THE 80, UH, TECH DOT DOES OF THE 120 MILLION.
80 MILLION WOULD COME FROM TECH.TO REIMBURSE THIS BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY IN A PRIVATE EASEMENT OUTSIDE OF THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO ANY OTHER, I MEAN, THAT GOES FOR CITY UTILITY, ANY FRANCHISE UTILITY IF YOU OWN YOUR, UH, EASEMENT AND FEE SIMPLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, UM, PAID FOR THAT.
IF THEY CAUSED YOU TO MOVE, THEY HAVE TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR THAT MOVING COST.
SO THESE ARE MY WORDS, NOT YOURS, JUST CORRECT ME.
WE'VE GOT A FRONT 120 MILLION, BUT SOMEWHERE ON THE BACK END, WE'RE GONNA GET 80 MILLION OF THAT BACK.
I MEAN, AND THERE'S NO, I MEAN, WE, WE JUST DID THIS PROCESS ON CUSTER ROAD, UM, AND UM, FROM THREE 80 NORTH TO 1461, WE JUST DID A PROJECT AND WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT REIMBURSEMENT PROCESS WITH THEM.
IT'S A TEDIOUS PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKES TIME.
UM, AND ALL THE OTHER FACTORS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, WE CAN'T GO BACK.
I MEAN, THEY'VE MADE A DECISION, BUT, UM, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO WORK SOMETHING OUT WHERE WE GET SOME TYPE OF REIMBURSEMENT.
FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD, JUST PUBLIC DISCUSSION, I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE UP HERE IN CERTAINLY STATE IF I DON'T, UM, B WAS THE PREFERRED ALIGNMENT FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY.
UM, AGAIN, ALL THE METRICS SEEM TO FAVOR THAT AND WHATNOT.
UM, BUT THE DECISIONS AND, AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT RIGHT NOW IS A 6 BILLION, AND IT IS A 6 BILLION PROJECT, THREE 80 RIGHT NOW.
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THAT PROJECT, IT, IT'S EITHER GOING TO HAPPEN IN, IN SOME FORM OR FASHION THAT TEXDOT IS, UH, WILLING TO SEE IT HAPPEN OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY THINGS THAT THE CITY AND, AND ALL THE PARTICIPANTS COULD DO, MAYBE THAT, THAT, UH, THROWS A WRENCH INTO THAT AND DELAYS THAT PROJECT.AND WE RISK, OF COURSE SEEING 6 BILLION IN VERY, VERY, VERY NEEDED, UM, ROAD IMPROVEMENT, HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT AND MOBILITY FOR THE ENTIRE REGION, UM, BE DERAILED AND, AND NOT HAPPEN AT ALL.
SO THE DECISIONS THAT, THAT WE'RE, UH, FORCED TO MAKE UP HERE ARE REALLY LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AT WHAT, WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF NOT JUST A ROUTE THAT WE ABSOLUTELY DID NOT BELIEVE WAS THE BEST ROUTE ON ANY LEVEL.
UM, BUT IT'S WHAT IS THE OVERALL IMPACT, YOU KNOW, ON, UH, ON THIS ROAD AND, AND, UM, AND IF THIS PROJECT DID NOT HAPPEN, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT US AND IMPACT THE COMMUNITY? AND THOSE ARE VERY, VERY BIG DECISIONS IN THEMSELF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU, GARY.
AND I GUESS PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS FROM HERE.
TEXT.IS OF COURSE GOING, THERE'S PUBLIC DISCUSSION IN FEBRUARY BEGINS PUBLIC INPUT.
WE WILL CERTAINLY BE DELIBERATING AND, AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE ALL HEARD TODAY, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN, IN RIGHT AWAY, UM, RELOCATION RIGHT AWAY PURCHASES OUR, OUR, OUR PORTION OF THAT, WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH OTHER ENTITIES IN MITIGATING THAT FOR US, OUR, OUR UTILITIES MEANT, UM, WHERE UTILITIES ARE IN THEM AND NOT IN THEM, AND WHAT THO HOW THOSE EXPENSES ARE BORN, WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET OTHER PARTNERS TO PARTICIPATE AND TO WHAT EXTENT WE CAN GET THEM TO PARTICIPATE.
OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO SEE A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION AND, AND THE TAXPAYERS AND MCKINNEY NOT BEAR ANY OF THAT EXPENSE, BUT THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS WE'LL BE DISCUSSING AND WORKING ON AND DELIBERATING OVER AND STRATEGIZING AND NEGOTIATING, UM, IN THE COMING DAYS, WEEKS, AND MONTHS.
TEXT OUT WILL BE LOOKING FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE LOCAL AGENCIES DURING THAT PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
UH, WHICH I MEAN, TECHNICALLY IT'S ALREADY STARTED, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE 30 DAYS AFTER THE FEB, MID-FEBRUARY PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE A TIME WE WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND LOOK FOR SOME, UM, ACTION, EITHER NON OPPOSITION, SUPPORT, OPPOSITION, WHATEVER IT COULD BE.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT OUR NON-OP OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT, UH, ANY, ANYTHING WE DECISION WE ARRIVE AT WILL BE IN GREAT PART INFLUENCED BY, UM, WHAT OUR PARTNERS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TODAY ARE ABLE TO DO IN, UH, MITIGATING THOSE COSTS THAT WE WERE NOT PREPARED FOR, UM, ON, ON THE, UH, ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THREE 80.
[COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATES regarding various city Boards & Commissions]
THE LIAISON UPDATES, UM, ONE, MR. MAYOR, THE, AND FORGIVE ME, I'M NOT PREPARED FOR THIS.THE BENJI STATUE UNVEILING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE 12TH AND NOW IT'S GONNA BE ON, I BELIEVE, SUNDAY THE 19TH AT THREE O'CLOCK.
UM, UH, JUST RIGHT BY THE IMPACT ANNOUNCEMENT.
MCKINNEY BLACK HISTORY MONTH STARTS NEXT WEEK.
OUR FIRST LECTURE IS GONNA BE WITH OPAL LEE WHO HELPED TO PUSH LEGISLATION TO GET JUNETEENTH RECOGNIZES A FEDERAL HOLIDAY, AND WE WILL HAVE BE HAVING AN ART SHOW IN THE IMPACT ON, UH, FRIDAY AT 7:00 PM WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE.
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