[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Daniel Stampfel for a Historic Marker Level Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption for the Property at 109 S. College Street.]

MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER HP 2023-0034 CONSIDERED DISCUSS ACT. ON A REQUEST BY DANIEL STAMP FIELD FOR A HISTORIC MARKER LEVEL.

HISTORIC MCKINNEY. I'M SORRY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE PROPERTY AT 109 SOUTH COLLEGE STREET, CASSIE BUMGARNER WILL MAKE OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, CASSIE. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CASSIE FROM GUARDING HIM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF MAKENI. AND TONIGHT I AM BRINGING FORWARD THE H N I C HISTORIC MARKER LEVEL APPLICATION FOR 109 SOUTH COLLEGE STREET AND THE OWNERS DANIEL AND OF DAVINA STEM FELL ARE PRESENT. THE CRITERIA FOR THE HISTORIC MARKER LEVEL INCENTIVE ARE AS FOLLOWS THE PROPERTY HAS RECEIVED A HISTORIC MARKER DESIGNATION. PURSUANT TO THE HISTORIC MARKER. PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN CHAPTER 98 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH IS HOME DID RECEIVE THAT ON AUGUST 4TH OF 2022. AND THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $10,000 IN BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY. DEMONSTRATED WITHIN AT LEAST THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE INCENTIVE REQUEST. AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT I'M ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS COMPLETED BETWEEN FEBRUARY OF 2021 THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 2020 30. IN YOUR PACKET. THERE ARE A LOT MORE PHOTOS. UM BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME SNIPPETS OF IT. THE STAFF REPORT ON THE APPLICATION HAVE THE DETAILED INVOICES AS WELL, WHICH TOTAL OVER $10,000. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED. UM FRONT PORCH REFURBISHMENT. WHICH HAPPENED IN DECEMBER OF 2022. CITING REPAIR IN OCTOBER, 2022 THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 2023. AND THEN ALSO PLUMBING REPAIR, WHICH HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY OF 2021.

AND THEN STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNERS AND FOUND THAT THEY DO MEET THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM. FOR A HISTORIC MARKER LEVEL INCENTIVE. WHICH CARRIES 100% TAX EXEMPTION FROM THE CITY'S ADVIL, OR, UM, TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS, AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. YES YES. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASTING? WELL, YOU YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID THIS, BUT IS THERE A TIME LIMIT AS FAR AS WHAT'S THE TIME LIMIT THAT THEY CAN DO THIS? UM REPAIRS IT'S IN FOR THE HISTORIC MARKER LEVEL. IT IS THREE YEARS. THREE YEARS. YES I THINK YOU SAID THIS ONE WAS TO THIS 1 TO 2 YEARS. THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OKAY? ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR CASSIE? OKAY APPLICANT IS PRESENT. WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO COME UP AND MAKE A PRESENTATION OR. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU JUST IF YOU'LL IF YOU'LL SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS DANIEL STAN FELLED WENT ON NINE SOUTH COLLEGE STREET MCKINNEY SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH ELSE TO SAY.

EXCEPT THAT WE LOVE OUR HOUSE. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 146 YEARS AND WE HOPE TO MAINTAIN ITS LAST ANOTHER 146. SO UM, AND THAT'S ALL I JUST WANTED TO SAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. DON'T DON'T LEAVE YET. HEY, DANIEL, GET GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. UM DID YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE OR WERE THEY ALL JUST REPAIRS? IT WAS ALL JUST REPAIRED AND YOU COULD SEE FROM THE FIRST, UM THE FIRST PHOTO THAT THAT WE HAD TO INSTALL A FLASHING ON THE PORCH BECAUSE WATER AND SO THAT WAS IN THE MAIN BASIS FOR IT, SO OKAY, AND

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THEN THERE WERE SOME. WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE PORCH, THERE WERE SOME ROTTED BOARDS THAT JUST HAD TO BE REPLACED. WE TRIED TO KEEP AS MANY AS POSSIBLE SO YOU'LL SEE A NEW ONE JOINED BY AN OLD ONE. WE JUST WE REALLY DID WANT TO KEEP AS MUCH OF WHAT WAS THERE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS FRAMING AND SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE IF IT WAS STILL STRONG ENOUGH. LET'S JUST KIND OF TRY TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE SUPPORT TO IT AND KEEP IT THERE. SO I THINK I DID A WONDERFUL JOB. I LOVE THIS HOME. I DRIVE BY IT ALL THE TIME. I THINK IT HAS A REALLY COOL HISTORY RULING OVER IT WHENEVER WE APPROVED THE HISTORIC MARKER FOR IT, SO, UM, I THINK I DID A GREAT JOB AND THANK YOU ALL VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR THE WORK. I PUT INTO IT, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I REMEMBER WORKING ON YOUR HOME MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, AND IT'S THE LIFE OF LOCATION, AND IT HAS SO MUCH BEAUTY WHO WAS ON THE HILLSIDE THERE, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING WHEN IT WAS WORKING ON IT. ON YOUR ADDITION ON THE BACK PORCH ORIGINALLY THERE AND IT WAS A LOW SLUNG PORCH WITH HEADER THE PLATE PRETTY LOW SO YOU COULD REACH UP AND TOUCH IT . SO IN INVESTIGATING IT, THIS IS TRIVIA. I KNOW TIMELY TIME, BUT I REACHED UP AND THERE WAS LITTLE HOLES SNUFF BOX. AND IT WAS IT WAS A BLACK POWDER RIFLE, RIGHT BLACK POWER PISTOL. AH! CAPS FOR A BLACK POWDER. PISTOL AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS FASCINATING. I WONDER WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT TO SEE WHEN THEY'RE FACING NORTH PORTUGAL THAT TIME, BUT IT WAS VERY OLD. VERY OLD BOX OF CAPS, AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS THIS TELLS A LOT ABOUT STORIES. THE HOUSE YOU KNOW, IT WAS ORIGINALLY I THINK WHERE THE SCOTT HOUSE WAS. IT WAS CALLED THE SHEEP MEADOW BELOW OVER THERE SO YOU CAN SEE FOR NORTH ALONG WAY, RIGHT? JUST AN INTERESTING SIDELINE. WHERE IS THAT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK . APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD OR ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR MOVED TO PROOF. SECOND, MR MCWILLIAMS MOVED TO APPROVE TOM PANTS SECONDED. ANY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OLIVER SHOW BY YOUR HANDS RIGHT? ALL IN FAVOR. PROPOSED OKAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU ALL SO

[Discuss Downtown City-Owned Property Redevelopment]

MUCH. OKAY WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 23-0 TO 50. DISCUSS DOWNTOWN CITY OWNED PROPERTY REDEVELOPMENT. IN MICHAEL QUINN IS HERE TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION . THANK YOU SO MUCH MICHAEL FOR BEING HERE. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU . UM I THIS. WAIT FOR THE PRESENTATION. HOLD ON. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ME ON A TIMER. COME ON, WHO DON'T. I GOT IT. OH, MAN, HARRY. I AM GOING TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN FINISH AT THREE MINUTES, BUT I'M GONNA TALK FAST. UM THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. UM JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME CITY OWNED PROPERTY IN OUR DOWNTOWN AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE BY NOW WE ARE COMMENCE, OR WE HAVE COMMENCED CONSTRUCTION ON OUR NEW CITY HALL OVER ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THROCKMORTON AND VIRGINIA. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THIS FACILITY. THE FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET IS GOING TO BE VACATED IN THE EARLY PART OF 2025. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPERTIES. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE DETAIL, DETAIL ABOUT ZONING APPRAISALS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. ALSO GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH TO REDEVELOP THESE PROPERTIES. AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS THUS FAR. SO THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY OF MCKINNEY OWNS IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ME, D C OR M CDC PROPERTIES. YOU'D HAVE MUCH MORE ON THIS MAP IF THAT WERE THE CASE, BUT JUST CITY OWNED PROPERTIES SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. THE CITY HALL RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF THROCKMORTON AND VIRGINIA. UM BUT WHERE WE WANT TO FOCUS TONIGHT IS JUST ON CITY HALL WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND SOME PARKING LOTS JUST TO THE NORTH OF CITY ISLAND. SO THIS IS A CLOSER VIEW OF THOSE PROPERTIES TOTALING ABOUT 4.6 ACRES IN TOTALITY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROPERTIES DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING WILL START NUMBER ONE ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE 200 BY 200 BLOCK, APPRAISE OR ASSESSED VALUE, NOT IN APPRAISED VALUE. THIS IS JUST

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WHAT SEEK HAD HAS ON THE BOOKS FOR 2022. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF GOING THROUGH AN APPRAISAL TO GET REAL KIND OF CURRENT MARKET VALUE. FOR ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN TOURS NUMBER ONE. THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF WE GET A PARTNERSHIP, THERE'S SOME FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE TO SPUR REDEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY.

BUT PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, IT'S ALREADY ZONED. YOU'LL HEAR ME TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION ABOUT A EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY IN DOWNTOWN DAVIS AT THE SQUARE. I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW IT. IT'S GOING TO OR FOLLOWED A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ZONING THAT WE HAVE NOW WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE FORM BASED CODE AT THE TIME WAS STILL KIND OF NEW THIS FORM BASED CODE BEEN IN PLACE FOR BETTER PART OF 10 YEARS 2013 SO IT IS SUBJECT TO THE DOWNTOWN CORE CHARACTER DISTRICT OF OUR ANTI C ZONING DISTRICTS. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE HEIGHTS ALREADY ENTITLED FIVE STORIES ALREADY ALLOWED ON THIS PROPERTY. THE USE IS ALREADY ALLOWED ALLOWS THINGS LIKE RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES. MULTI FAMILY LIVE WORK ALSO ALLOWS HOTEL OFFICE RESTAURANTS RETAIL. ALL OF THIS IS ALREADY ALLOWED WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING IS CURRENTLY LOCATED. FOR PERSPECTIVE. THE 2008 TOWN CENTER MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED THIS PROPERTY FOR LAWSON OFFICE OVER GROUND FLOOR RETAIL AGAIN.

THAT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS IN PLACE AT THE TIME DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT HAS TO BE THAT GOING FORWARD. JUMPING ACROSS TENNIS STREET, TENNESSEE STREET TO CITY HALL AGAIN 200 BY 200 BLOCK FACE RIGHT IN THAT 40,000 SQUARE FOOT SIZE $1.3 MILLION A LITTLE BIT BIGGER BUILDING ON THIS PROPERTY THAN YOU HAVE ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SITE AGAIN. LOCATED WITHIN TERMS NUMBER ONE STILL SUBJECT TO THE DOWNTOWN CORE CHARACTER DISTRICT ZONING. AND SO ALL THE USES ALL THE HEIGHTS STILL THE SAME. AND AGAIN VERY SIMILAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING LOFT OVER RETAIL AGAIN. RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY.

MOVING NORTH OF CITY HALL TO LOT NUMBER ONE. WE'RE CALLING THIS PROPERTY NUMBER THREE BASICALLY TWO BLOCKS COMBINED IN ONE ABOUT 80,000 SQUARE FEET AGAINST STILL LOCATED IN TOURS NUMBER ONE STILL SUBJECT TO THE SAME ZONING STILL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DESIGNATION IN THE COMPANY OF THE TOWN CENTER MASTER PLAN PARKING GARAGE IDENTIFIED AGAIN. KIND OF OFF THE BEATEN PATH A LITTLE BIT AND SO BETTER LOCATION FOR THOSE PARKING FACILITIES. TOWN HOMES LIVE WORK IN PHIL LOST OVER RETAIL ALL THOSE COULD BE OPTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY. JUMPING TO THE EAST LAST PROPERTY. I'LL TALK ABOUT IN DETAIL. PUBLIC PARKING LOT B. AGAIN ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE LOCATED WITHIN TERMS, ONE SAME ZONING DISTRICT AND VERY SIMILAR TOWN CENTER DESIGNATION THAT YOU SAW ON THE PROPERTY WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE ? OKAY, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THESE PROPERTIES. WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEM. WHAT ARE THE PROCESS? WHAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW TO REDEVELOP AS I MENTIONED VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT DAVIS AT THE SQUARE. WE STARTED THIS PROCESS BACK IN JANUARY WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. I MADE A PRESENTATION TO THEM. ASKING FOR THEIR GUIDANCE COUNCIL. COUNCIL.

DO YOU WANT TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY NOW? OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT? DO YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY? DO YOU WANT TO LEASE IT OUT? OR DO WE WANT TO GIVE IT TO THE MARKET? WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL BACK THEN WAS LET'S DEFINITELY GET IT REDEVELOPED. LET'S START THE PROCESS. NOW WE WANT TO GO THROUGH AN R F Q REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW IN THE PACKAGE, BUT A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS IS BASICALLY DOCUMENTATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT OUT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THROUGH WHICH WE'RE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS ESSENTIALLY WILL SAY TO THE PUBLIC. HEY THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WE'VE GOT ABOUT 4.6 ACRES IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY THAT WE'D LIKE TO PARTNER WITH YOU TO REDEVELOP.

GIVE US YOUR RESPONSE. TELL US WHY YOU THINK YOU'RE THE BEST ONE TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, SO THAT'S WHAT THE RFP PROCESS ALLOWS US TO DO. SO WHERE ARE WE AT IN THAT PROCESS, AS I MENTIONED WE LAUNCHED IN JANUARY , RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS RIGHT NOW. I'M HERE GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK. ALSO AT THE VERY END OF THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE ALERTING YOU ALL TO A TOWN HALL MEETING THAT WILL BE HOSTING RIGHT HERE IN THIS BUILDING. ON APRIL 26TH . AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. NOW, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THIS PUBLIC

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INPUT? WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS INCORPORATED INTO THE R F Q DOCUMENT SO THAT OUR FQ DOCUMENT WILL BASICALLY INCLUDE THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK INCLUDE DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL SO THAT RESPONDENTS WILL KNOW IF I'M A IF I'M A MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPER, BUT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR OFFICE. MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO RESPOND TO THIS R F Q. AND THAT'S WHAT THE TYPE OF FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET FROM THE PUBLIC. WILL HELP INFORM ALSO, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE FROM A DESIGN AESTHETIC IF THERE'S STEPPED DOWN IN THE BUILDING IF THERE'S LOCATION OF PARKING FACILITIES MAYBE WE WANTED ON THE PARKING LOT THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE FIRE STATION AND NOT THE ONE DIRECTLY NORTH OF CITY HALL. THAT'S THE TYPE OF FEEDBACK WE'D LOVE TO INCLUDE. IN THE R F Q DOCUMENTATION. SO WE THINK WE'RE HOPING TO WRAP THAT UP THIS SPRING ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT. THEN WE'LL GO INTO DRAFTING THE RFP DOCUMENTS GET IT OUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THIS SUMMER AND THEN HOPEFULLY IDENTIFY OUR PARTNERS SELECTED PARTNERS THAT WE WANT TO NEGOTIATE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH IN THE FALL AND INTO THE SUMMER WILL BE NEGOTIATING TERMS ON WHAT THAT PARTNERSHIP WILL ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE. FROM THEIR DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS CONSTRUCTION. IT'S A MULTI YEAR PROCESS. SO WHERE REALLY ARE WE LOOKING FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ALREADY IDENTIFIED ONE EARLY ON, BUT THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THROUGH THE PARTNER SELECTION PROCESS, SO WE ANTICIPATE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH DAVIS AT THE SQUARE. WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET A HANDFUL OF RESPONDENTS TO OUR R F Q. AND WE WANT TO WHITTLE THEM DOWN TO TWO THAT WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER THAT PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL , WE'RE GOING TO ASK THOSE RESPONDENTS TO STAY AROUND, MEET THE PUBLIC AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE PUBLIC. WHAT IS YOUR FEEDBACK? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE PROPOSALS THAT THESE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS ARE PUTTING FORTH? IS IT A GOOD IDEA FOR DOWNTOWN IS THERE MAY BE SOMEBODY BETTER OUT THERE GIVES. GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK. BUT WILL BE LOOKING FOR THAT FEEDBACK IS PART OF THE PARTNER SELECTION PROCESS. AND THEN LAST WHEN WE GET THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS SUBMITTING ELEVATIONS. DESIGN CHANGES. WE'RE GONNA WANT FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AT THAT TIME AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE THE THREE LOCATIONS WHERE WE REALLY HOPE THAT PUBLIC WILL COME OUT AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS WITH US. SO I'VE MENTIONED DAVIS AT THE SQUARE MULTIPLE TIMES. YOU ALL REMEMBER AND HAVE BEEN AROUND MCKINNEY FOR A LONG TIME. NINE WE USED TO CALL IT THE NINE ACRE SITE. IT'S WHERE THE SIX STORY COURTHOUSE USED TO BE AT THE CORNER OF DAVIS AND TENNESSEE. SO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY TORE DOWN THE SIX STORY COURTHOUSE AND WE SAID TO THE PUBLIC VIA AN RFP PROCESS. HEY WE'VE GOT NINE ACRES HERE THAT WE LOVE TO PARTNER WITH YOU LOVE TO GET IT REDEVELOPED AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS THE PROCESS WE FOLLOWED. YOU'LL NOTICE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN AND WHAT I JUST SAID. ONE DIFFERENCE IS THAT STUFF IN ORANGE THAT RFP SO SUBTLE NUANCE. PROBABLY LOST ON THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BUT WE ARE ON THE DAVIDSON SQUARE SITE.

WENT OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. WE ACTUALLY HAD THE DEVELOPERS DESIGN A FORMAL PROPOSAL A DESIGN PACKAGE IT CAN DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL IF YOU WILL BEFORE THEY EVER MET WITH US, AND SO WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF RESPONSES DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESS GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, SO WE PIVOTED. YOU SEE IN 2015. BY THIS POINT, THE MTC WAS ALREADY IN PLACE FOR RECALL IN 2012. MTC NOT IN PLACE BY 2015 WAS IN PLACE WE WENT THROUGH WITH AN R F Q. EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW GOT GREAT CONSULTANT OR GREAT DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS CAME IN MET WITH US HAD MEET AND GREETS, JUST LIKE YOU'VE HEARD ME DESCRIBE. AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT TO YOU IS IF YOU REMEMBER THE DAVIS AT THE SQUARE PROCESS, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY SIMILAR. TO WHAT WE DID. THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, OKAY? SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO AGAIN? I'VE MENTIONED JANUARY, 24TH MADE A PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL. WE GOT THEIR FEEDBACK MOVE FORWARD WITH THE R F Q IS WHAT WE HEARD IN MARCH. WE STARTED YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THAT WE STARTED WORK ON AN APPRAISAL. WE'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO A CONSULTANT FIRM TO HELP WITH MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY. OKAY IF THE COMMUNITY SAYS WE WANT MULTI FAMILY DOWN HERE, WILL THE MARKET SUSTAIN IT . IF WE WANT OFFICES DOWN HERE, WILL THE MARKETS SUSTAIN IT IF WE WANT MORE HOTELS. WILL THE MARKETS SUSTAIN IT? WE NEED FEEDBACK, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW STARTED IN MARCH. AND THEN AGAIN, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY WE'RE IN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PHASE. AND SO THAT'S

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WHY I'M HERE SPEAKING TO YOU TONIGHT, THIS IS MY FIRST PUBLIC PRESENTATION. WE DO HAVE A STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT I'VE ALREADY MET WITH, BUT MORE INTERNALLY FOCUSED. I'LL BE MAKING A PRESENTATION TO THE MAIN STREET BOARD NEXT NEXT WEEK . AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, I MENTIONED THE BIG KAHUNA HERE IS THAT BOLD STUFF AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE? THE TOWN HALL THAT WILL BE HOSTING ON APRIL 26TH IN THIS ROOM. WE REALLY HOPE THAT COUNTS ARE THE COMMUNITY WILL COME OUT AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS WITH US. I'LL BE GIVEN A BRIEF PRESENTATION VERY SIMILAR TO THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE HEARING NOW FOR THE FOLKS THAT MAYBE HAVEN'T HEARD IT BEFORE. THEY'RE GOING TO I HEAR THAT FROM ME. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE SOME VISUAL PREFERENCE SURVEYS SOME PICTURES THAT PEOPLE CAN GIVE US. THEIR THOUGHTS ON WILL ALSO BE HAVING SOME FACILITATED DISCUSSIONS. WE KNOW EVERYBODY'S BUSY, SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND CONVINCE ALL THAT STUFF. WE'LL SEE IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT GONNA TRY AND CONDENSE ALL OF THAT INTO ABOUT AN HOUR. SO WITH THAT SAID, I WILL STOP TALKING AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ENTERTAINING AND DISCUSSION THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO ENGAGE IN. NO QUESTION. SO IS THE GOAL Y'ALL ARE WANTING IS THE GOAL TO SELL IT TO ONE DEVELOPMENT PARTNER. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE IS THE GOAL. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FAR YET. I WILL TELL YOU. IT'S AN OPTION TO PARTNER WITH ONE PARTNER, BUT THERE MAY BE AGAIN. YOU SEE FOUR PROPERTIES THERE, MAYBE FOUR DIFFERENT PARTNERS THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PARTNER WITH. I WILL TELL YOU SAYING SELLING IT IS KIND OF A SUBTLE NUANCE THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET. I ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL ASSIGN SOME VALUE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING THE APPRAISAL TO THESE PROPERTIES AND THE VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY WILL BE PUT FORTH AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT AGAIN , NONE OF THAT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED YET. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL SELL IT OUTRIGHT TO A DEVELOPER AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION OR WILL JUST OFFER IT AS PART OF SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE PACKAGE. UM TO BE DETERMINED, BUT, YEAH, IT COULD BE MULTIPLE PARTNERS, NOT JUST ONE. I THINK THE IDEA OF MULTIPLE PARTNERS IS I THINK THAT'S GOOD INSTEAD OF JUST DON'T KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST ONE I DON'T KNOW, UNLESS IT WOULD JUST BE ALL THE SAME THING, BUT ALSO JUST THE IDEA OF I KNOW YOU'LL PROBABLY REACHING OUT TO DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS. BUT ALSO THERE IS JUST THE IDEA OF THERE IS, UM SORRY. THERE IS. I FEEL LIKE LOCAL BUSINESSES OR BUSINESS CENTERS. BUILDING OWNERS DOWN HERE ON THE HISTORIC SQUARE ALREADY THAT I KNOW SPACE IS VERY LIMITED DOWN HERE, AND I KNOW THERE'S QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO TRY TO BUY A NEW BUILDING, GROW AND EXPAND AND STAY ON THE SQUARE. SO I KNOW SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT LIKE I AM ALL FOR UM, HAVING ANOTHER MULTI FAMILY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT DOWN HERE, BECAUSE THAT REALLY HELPS THE BUSINESSES DOWN HERE, SO I THINK THAT IS A GREAT OPTION AS WELL. BUT THERE IS. I KNOW SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES HERE THAT ARE ALSO TRYING TO EXPAND AS WELL. SO I THINK INSTEAD OF JUST A BIG DEVELOPER THAT COULD BE GREAT FOR PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE TRYING TO GROW THEIR BUSINESS THAT'S ALREADY HERE TOO. YES, MA'AM. I, UM MICHAEL, AS I RECALLED, JUSTIN HAD A REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT FOOT TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE LEAVING TO GO OVER TO THE FUTURE CITY HALL AND REPLACING THOSE WITH PEOPLE WHERE THEY LIVE DOWN HERE OR ITS BUSINESSES OR OFFICES. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY CRITICAL POINT THAT HE BROUGHT UP BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I'M NOT SEEING THE MASTER PLAN. HOW DOES ANY OF THIS FIT WITH THE MASTER PLAN? HOW IS THE MASTER PLAN? GOING IN TERMS OF WHAT? WE'VE ATTRACTED WHAT WE'VE BUILT AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. DOES THIS THESE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS SPACE THAT ARE ZONED? ARE THEY CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN IN TERMS OF NUMBERS AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE? THE MASTER PLAN IS VERY ILLUSTRATIVE. IT DOESN'T SAY, PUT THIS USE HERE, PUT THIS USE HERE AND IT NEEDS TO BE THIS DENSITY AND THAT I THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MASTER PLAN WAS INTENDED TO DO. WHAT THE MASTER PLAN REALLY HONED IN ON IS THE FORM AND THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDINGS AS IT RELATED TO DOWNTOWN IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT THAT SPACE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS , AND SO IT CALLED FOR A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE INCORPORATED INTO THE MTC ZONING SO THE BILL . TWO LINES WHERE YOU'RE NOT SET BACK AWAY FROM THE STREET. IT CALLS FOR KIND OF OPEN SPACES AND PLAZAS AND CIVIC AREAS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT CAME FROM THE MASTER PLAN WERE INCORPORATED INTO THE MTC ZONING AND SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES ANYTHING THAT IS BUILT HERE WILL HAVE TO COMPLY TO THE MTC, WHICH IS AN EXTENSION OF THE TOWN CENTER STUDY. AND SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT PAULA AND HER TEAM LOOKS AT AND PROCESSES IS

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CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN CENTER MASTER PLAN. OKAY, GOOD HEADLINE. AS YOU GO FORWARD, MICHAEL. THE CONCEPTS SEEM TO BE TRACKING WITH WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. SO I HAVE A QUESTION REALIZING WHAT WAS HERE BEFORE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE HERE AND KNOWING THAT SPACE HAS BEEN CREATED BY THE VACANCY OF THAT PROPERTY. IS THERE A VALUE AND LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY? NOT AS A WHOLE, BUT IT'S IN SUBDIVISIONS. SO THAT YOU HAVE MULTIPLE OWNERS, MULTIPLICITY OWNERS WOULD GIVE YOU A VARIETY OF LOOKS. FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE MOST WONDERFUL HISTORIC HOMES WHICH ARE TORN DOWN JUST NORTH OF THE SQUARE. WERE A RESIDENTIAL AREA. NOW WE HAVE PARKING LOTS AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OF A MORE MODERN SENSE, SOME NOT SO GOOD. SOME OKAY, BUT IF YOU HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PARKING LOT IN ONE OWNER YOU MIGHT GET ONE LARGE SLAB. BUT IF YOU HAD DIVIDED INTO FOUR OR FIVE SLOTS, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO DOING? I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT. I'M JUST SAYING THE SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT COULD BECOME MORE INTACT AND IN KEEPING WITH WHAT'S IN DOWNTOWN . IF YOU LOOK DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT STOREFRONTS THERE ONLY SO LARGE. IF WE GO SUDDENLY MULTI BLOCK WHAT HAVE WE DONE? PEDESTRIAN IDEA COMES TO MIND TOO, WHEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROMOTED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET AND CONTRIBUTES TO DOWNTOWN TOWN, HOME WALK UPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WITH COMMERCIAL. THE FIRST FLOOR SEEMS DESIRABLE IF IT'S SUSTAINABLE, BUT I'M THINKING THE SCALE AND THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO WHAT WE DO NORTH OF HERE AND CERTAINLY, AS WE END PHIL. BEING MINDFUL OF WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY THERE MIGHT BE USEFUL. YES, SIR. AND I THINK, UM. I THINK THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED. ULTIMATELY I THINK WHAT WILL DECIDE THAT IS THE RESPONSES. WE GET BACK IF WE GET A BUNCH OF GREAT DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS THAT DON'T WANT TO TAKE DOWN A LARGE SUPER BLOCK IF YOU WILL AND WANT TO TAKE DOWN SMALLER PIECES, THEN I THINK THAT'S AN OPTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO EXPLORE . I'M TAKING TOO MUCH TIME HERE, BUT POINT IS BETWEEN CITY HALL. YES SIR. THE NORTH END OF THE LIBRARY. THAT'S A LARGE SPACE RIGHT THERE. YES SIR. PUT A PARKING RIGHT THERE. THAT'S A HORRENDOUS EFFECT WITH ONE OWNER. AND SO IT SUGGESTS. WE MOVE THE PARKING STRUCTURES. IF THERE ARE ANY IN THE REAR AREAS , AS YOU HAVE SUGGESTED, IT MEANS THAT THE STORE THE FRONT OR THE STREETSCAPE IS VERY IMPORTANT. AS IMPORTANT AS THE BUILDINGS ALMOST AND MAKING IT A VERY HABITABLE AND PLEASANT SPOT . I THINK STAFF AGREES WITH YOU . I THINK THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED THUS FAR IS VERY IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL. BUT I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NOW THE QUESTION IS, WE'VE GOT TO FIND THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT PARTNER THAT WILL BRING THE FEEDBACK AND THE VISION THAT WE ALL HAVE BRING IT TO LIFE. BUT I'D LIKE TO PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT MALLORY AND JAMES SAID, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE TWO REALLY IMPORTANT POINTS. UM DAVIS, AND THE SQUARE IS A NICE BUILDING, BUT I THINK ORIGINALLY WE EXPECTED MORE RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND I THINK THERE WAS A BIG DISAPPOINTMENT FOR MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED AROUND AND WE'RE TOLD THAT AND AGAIN. IT DIDN'T ATTRACT THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE REALLY VYING TO GET. YOU KNOW A FOOTHOLD IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH I THINK WE WANT TO KEEP THAT OLD HOMETOWN FIVE. I THINK WE WANT TO REALLY KEEP THAT IN MIND AND ALONG THOSE ALONG THOSE LINES, THE DAVIS AND A SQUARE IS A PRETTY BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT VERY HISTORIC. AND IT DOESN'T REFLECT THE VIBE OF THE DOWNTOWN . IT'S VERY MODERN. AND UM, I JUST THINK THAT WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING MORE IN LINE WITH THE HISTORY OF MCKINNEY. EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE NEW. I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT. AND I THINK JAMES POINT WAS WELL TAKEN IS IF YOU HAVE JUST A BIG BLOCK BUILDING ON THERE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THOSE LITTLE SMALL STOREFRONTS THAT WE DO HAVE NOW IN MCKINNEY . I THINK WE WANT TO REPLICATE THAT. UM I HEAR YOU. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE FEEDBACK . I THINK IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK, BUT I WILL TELL YOU IN THE MODERN DEVELOPMENT CYCLE. COSTS ARE AN ISSUE AND DEVELOPING IN 20, OR 40. FT SEGMENTS IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT. I'M NOT SAYING I THINK, IF YOU IF YOU DON'T NECESSARILY INDIVIDUAL BUT STOREFRONT, SO THINK OF WHAT THE LOOK IN THE FRONT IS SO DISNEY WORLD DOES IT REAL WELL, THEY HAVE GREAT BIG BUILDINGS, AND THEY EACH HAVE A FACADE, BASICALLY, AND SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE FIVE SEPARATE BUILDINGS ON THAT BLOCK. BUT THE FACADES WOULD LOOK LIKE IT WAS

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FIVE SEPARATE BUILDINGS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE. I WILL TELL YOU IN EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THE PARKING GARAGE AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BRING UP OLD WOUNDS OF THAT FACADE. UH, THAT ROAD. WE WENT DOWN WITH THAT FACADE, BUT IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LET'S CHANGE THE FACADE UP EVERY 2040 FT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE DIFFERENT STOREFRONTS. UM TO SOME FOLKS WHO WAS VERY POLARIZING. THEY SAID. IT LOOKED FAKE. THEY SAID IT LOOKED LIKE DISNEYLAND DISNEY WORLD. WE DON'T WANT DISNEY WORLD HERE. WE WANTED TO LOOK MORE AUTHENTIC. AND SO I THINK WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT PARTNER COMES TO THE TABLE AND PARTNERS WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY WILL HAVE TO INCORPORATE THE FEEDBACK . THE BEST WAY THEY CAN. ABSOLUTELY AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I JUST THREW DISNEYWORLD OUT IS A EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO NOT NECESSARILY WANT TO REPLICATE THAT EXACT THING, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT IT DOES BODE BETTER THAN HAVING JUST A BIG BLOCK ON A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH DOES IT. REPLICATE ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN MCKINNEY. SO I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE HISTORIC FLAVOR OF THE DOWNTOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, OR IF MONEY'S GOING TO PRECLUDE US FROM DOING THAT, WHICH IS GOING TO CHANGE THE VIBE OF THE DOWNTOWN, SO I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THE FINE LINE THAT ANY DEVELOPER WILL HAVE 2.2. I CAN POINT ACROSS THE STREET AND I'VE GOT A STOREFRONT THAT'S 400 FT WIDE OR 200 FT WIDE SO AGAIN. IT IS 40 FT. REALLY THE BENCHMARK IS 20.

FT REALLY? THE BENCHMARK YOU'VE GOT CITY HALL HERE THAT TAKES UP 200 FT AND AS AGAIN AGAIN. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. AND AS YOU'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH POTENTIAL FOLKS TO COME IN AND DEVELOP THESE, WHY NOT BRING IT UP? WHY NOT THROW IT OUT TO THEM AS HEY, WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE THE DOWNTOWN. BUT IF YOU DON'T DISCUSS IT AT ALL, WE'RE GOING TO GET A GREAT BIG BLOCK. TOTALLY AGREE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M TEMPERING EXPECTATIONS. WE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS. MCKINNEY ABSOLUTELY. YES, THIS IS WHY WE'RE WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE WE HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS. WANTED BEAUTIFUL. WE ALL DO. I ASSURE YOU THAT TO LOWER THOSE EXPECTATIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO RISE TO THEM. SO HERE'S THE OTHER THING THAT I DID FAIL TO MENTION. I APOLOGIZE. ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK . MAIN STREET. THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP WILL ALL BE SHARED BACK WITH THE COUNCIL AND THEY WILL HELP TO CONSOLIDATE, RECALIBRATE AND POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW I'M TAKING NOTES ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK. WHETHER I AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, IS IRRELEVANT. IT'S ALL GOING BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

THEY'LL HEAR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL SAID SO KEEP IT JUST I JUST THINK TOO, THOUGH, YOU KNOW.

THIS IS THE BRAINSTORMING PART. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIVE IN OURSELVES RIGHT NOW, BY MONEY OR BY ANYTHING ELSE. WE SHOULD JUST PUT OUR BEST IDEAS OUT THERE AND THEN WE'LL NARROW OUR FOCUS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN AFFORD WHO WE CAN ATTRACT, ETCETERA, ETCETERA, BUT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HOLD ANYBODY BACK FROM PUTTING THE VERY BEST IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE SO AND THAT GOES TO USES AS WELL. FOR EXAMPLE. LONG AGO. WE HAD THREE OR FOUR GROCERY STORES IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. NOW YOU HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR TO GO SOMEWHERE TO GET GROCERIES.

THINGS LIKE THIS NEED TO BE THOUGHT OF IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLANNING OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF BENEFIT WOULD BE ABLE TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE AREA, AND IT WOULD ALSO SOFTEN THE EFFECT OF WHATEVER WE DO WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH TO THE EAST AND THE WEST, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YOU'RE PUTTING IN A LOT OF WELL, DAVIS ON THE SQUARE PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON A SMALL BLOCK. WHERE DO THEY GET THEIR GROCERIES IN A CAR AND GO GET HIM? IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A WALKABLE CITY IN A PEDESTRIAN LIKE YOU MENTIONED MICHAEL, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PLACES FOR THEM TO WALK AND GET THEIR GROCERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I HAVE A COMMENT. IF WE'RE DONE WITH THIS UH UM. RIGHT RIGHT. NEXT CENTERED AROUND ALL THIS.

IS THAT THE LIBRARY WHICH I LIVE? YEAH. A COUPLE 100 FT. TO THE LEFT OF THIS PICTURE. UM AND I HAVE BROUGHT KIDS AND FAILING MEMBERS. THAT'S A VERY FAMILY FRIENDLY. CENTRIC PLACE. IS THAT GOING TO BE A FOCUS POINT? IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIBRARY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A FAMILY AND THIS GOES TO THE OPENING COMMENT ABOUT CHILDREN AND THE HISTORY.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MUSEUM ALREADY, SO I KNOW THAT'S THERE. BUT THAT'S ALSO A VERY FAMILY FRIENDLY THING TO DO FOR YOUNG FAMILIES OR GRANDPARENTS, OR, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER YOU ARE, UM BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE THAT THE LIBRARY IS PLAYING A COMPONENT OF THE CHOICE. UH AND KNOWING THAT MOMS AND DADS WITH THEIR KIDS OR ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE. I GUESS I'M NOT SURE. ARE YOU SAYING THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO BE ORIENTED OR NO, NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING

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IT'S A THOUGHT TO BE IN YOUR LIST OF THOUGHTS, SOMETHING THAT FAMILY FRIENDLY OR EVEN MUSEUM OR FRIENDLY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE A REAL POSITIVE. AND KIND OF A NATURAL FOR GOING WHEN YOU GO TO THE LIBRARY. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JANUARY, PERHAPS OF HAVING SOME . SPACE ALLOCATED FOR FAMILIES BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH. IT'S FOCUSED ON ADULTS AND WE HAVE OUR NIGHTLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BAR SCENES. WE HAVE THESE BEER WALKS. WE HAVE THE WINE, YOU KNOW, WINE WALKS, WHICH ARE GREAT, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR KIDS TO DO, AND WE KICKED AROUND IDEAS LIKE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, AND BETH BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT SPACES THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, INVITE THE YOUTH IN AND I JUST THINK THAT I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT JUST SOMETHING TO HAVE ON YOUR LIST. IF YOU HEAR THE IDEA THAT THAT MAY BE A POSITIVE, I UNDERSTAND . YOU'RE REALLY YOU'RE JUST LISTENING RIGHT NOW. SO TAKING WE CAN TALK TO MICHAEL AND WE GET IN TROUBLE FROM BETTY FOR TALKING. I'M A COUPLE OF THINGS.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHO THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE FOR THEM? YEAH. WE HAVE THE LIST. I'M GONNA GO FROM MEMORY. AND THEN I'M GOING TO FORGET SOMEBODY. WE'VE GOT KIM BLACK AND DIANE CRAIG HERE.

WE'VE GOT I'M GONNA FORGET SOMEBODY IF I DON'T HAVE MY LIST. DERRICK ROBINSON. WE'VE GOT JASON HERNANDEZ, MARTIN SANCHEZ, CHASE WALLS AND RICK WELLS. GREAT, SO PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL THAT'S TERRIFIC. SO THIS BUILDING IS A HISTORIC BUILDING. IS IT NOT? MARKER MARKER OUTFRONT? NO WHAT KIND OF HEARING IT IS NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING. THE MARKER OUT FRONT IS A STATE HISTORIC SUBJECT MARKER IT WAS ACTUALLY PLACED ON THE TEXAS AMERICAN BANK THAT WAS OUT ON RED BUD WHEN THE BANK MOVED FROM THIS BUILDING TO THAT BUILDING, AND IT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A COLLIN COUNTY NATIONAL BANK. THIS WAS THE THIRD LOCATION OF THE BANK. THAT WAS THE FOURTH LOCATION OF THE BANK. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS NOW. BUT IT IS THE BUILDING ITSELF IS NOT THE BUILDING AND ALL FOUR OF THESE PARCELS ARE ACTUALLY NORTH AND EAST OF THE DISTRICT. SHE KNOWS BETTER THAN ME. YEAH TRUST HER. TRUE THIS BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT FOR COUNTY BANK BY BANK BUILDING CORPORATION IN THE FIFTIES SIXTIES PERIOD OF TIME, AND IT'S BEEN WONDERFULLY ADAPTED. IT SHOWS ITS ADAPTABILITY FOR MANY DIFFERENT USES, WHICH IS DESIRABLE. SO WE'RE USED TO IT, SO BASICALLY, THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THAT. WITH IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TEAR DOWN THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT YEAH. SO WHEN? WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING ALL THESE COMMENTS TOGETHER, UM, FOR SENDING OUT TO POTENTIAL PARTNERS IN THE RFP PROCESS. IN THAT, WILL YOU BE PROVIDING GUIDELINES INSTRUCTIONS BASED ON THE FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? ARE YOU RELYING ON THEM TO COME UP WITH PROPOSALS THAT WE WANT TO LEAVE IT AS OPEN ENDED AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE MUCH LIKE THIS. WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE ANYBODY FROM COMING UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE. BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO. IF THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNCIL IS THAT WE WANT THIS USE, AND IT SHOULD BE FAMILY FRIENDLY, AND IT SHOULD HAVE SMALLER STOREFRONTS, AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT GENERATES A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC . OKAY THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE R F. Q BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE SO SPECIFIC. I WOULD THINK WE WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE SO SPECIFIC TO SAY OKAY. YOU NEED TO HAVE I'M GONNA BUTCHER THIS, BUT WE NEEDED TO HAVE 15 FT OF UNDULATION AND EVERY 20 FT OF FRONTAGE AND IT NEEDS TO BE 80% GLASS, AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE A FLOOR PLATE OF 13TH LIKE WE WANT TO BACK OFF OF THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND LET THEM COME TO THE TABLE WITH SOMETHING THAT'S INNOVATIVE, CREATIVE AND ADDRESSES ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A TIGHTROPE. I'LL GIVE YOU THIS . IT'S GOING TO BE OUR BEST ATTEMPT TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THE DIVERSE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IN A CLEAR PACKAGE THAT SOMEBODY CAN SAY YEAH, I GET IT, AND I CAN DO THAT. I WANT TO RESPOND, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE PRECLUDED FROM SAYING, UM APPLICANTS OR PROPOSALS SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF HISTORIC NATURE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UM, I THINK THAT'S A NO BRAINER.

YEAH I THINK BEING RESPECTFUL TO THE CHARACTER THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED HERE, I THINK IS A NO BRAINER. WHAT I WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER. DESIGN WHATSOEVER. UM NO, NOTHING IN PLACE. DESIGN REQUIREMENTS WILL BE, UM, SET BY THE COUNCIL AND

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ALSO BY OUR MTC FORM BASED ZONING CODE. YES, OBVIOUSLY. I WOULD SAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MTC FORM BASED CODE, IT HAS A LOT OF THINGS IN IT THAT HELP THE BUILDINGS KIND OF FIT INTO THE FRAMEWORK OF SCALE AND STEP BACKS AND M FACADE, RHYTHMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE FROM DOWNTOWN. I ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT LAST THAT LAST SLIDE ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT LAST ARROW WHERE IT SAYS DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. UM AND I'VE HEARD ALREADY HEARD FROM SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT HOW THAT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS OFFERED ON THE RENDERINGS THAT HAVE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO IT BETTER THIS TIME AGAIN. I HAVE SOME FOLKS WATCHING ME CLOSELY. UM SO I DON'T WANT TO LET ANYBODY DOWN, WATCHING US CLOSELY TO MICHAEL. TRUST ME. I FEEL THE HEAT COMING FROM FROM THIS PART OF THE ROOM RIGHT NOW . UH YEAH, BUT I WILL SAY. OKAY, THOUGH. I THINK THE PUBLIC YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THE COUNCIL. I MENTIONED THE MTC, BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COME UP AND SAY THE SAME THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD THUS FAR, IT NEEDS TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC NATURE THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN AND NEEDS TO BE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION. IT CAN TAKE AWAY AND I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO COME THROUGH AND SAY THAT BRICK COLOR IS JUST PURPLE BRICK DOWNTOWN. JUST GONNA FLY AND NEEDS TO BE THIS, SO I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVERYBODY TO WEIGH IN. OKAY, WELL, GOOD GOOD. I THINK YOUR YOUR BEST THE BEST THING THAT YOU'RE DOING HERE IS THE PUBLIC INPUT FOR SURE. CHANCE TO THAT WON'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM GETTING SOME FLAK REGARDLESS OF WHAT COMES DOWN THE LINE TO FLAK JACKET. OKAY SEE? YES, SIR. RECOMMEND KEVLAR? YES, SIR. MICHAEL I O. HAS UM, YOU WANT TO GO IN? I ACTUALLY WENT TO THAT MEETING ON THE IN JANUARY AND, UM AND I TOOK NOTES . I TOOK NOTES AT THE MEETING AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT I HEARD FROM THAT MEETING, AND ONE WAS TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE FABRIC OF THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE AND KEEPING THE HISTORIC NATURE WHICH I THINK WE ALL TOUCHED ON THAT, UM , SIKH COMMUNITY INPUT BEFORE AND DURING THE PROCESS THAT ARE REALLY APPRECIATED THAT I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN BELLER THAT SAID. MAYBE THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO IDENTIFY GOALS THAT INVOLVED MORE THAN JUST THE REDEVELOPMENT AND I REALLY LISTENED TO WHAT HE SAID THERE AND I THINK, BETH PROBABLY TOUCHED ON THAT. AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW WHAT DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME DOWN HERE AND RECEIVE LIKE , YOU KNOW, MUSEUMS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF WINE WALKS AND I'M THERE AND I LOVE THEM. BUT YOU KNOW, I CANNOT BRING MY GRANDKIDS DO THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT'S MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY. YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING THAT HE MENTIONED IS IDENTIFYING A BETTER WAY TO GET FOR OUR VISITORS TO GET AND I THINK, HE SAID THIS TO GET TO THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE. MAYBE THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENCOURAGE A DIFFERENT WAY OF GETTING TO THE SQUARE AND BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW CITY HALL RIGHT NOW, THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON LOUISIANA STREET IS UNBELIEVABLE . AND UM, YOU KNOW WHICH THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM, BECAUSE, UH, THAT WAS YOUR DAD THAT DID THAT AND THAT THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING. I MEAN, WHEN WE DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM RIGHT THERE. BUT IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY, AND I THINK COUNCILMAN BELLA MENTIONED , YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING PARKING GARAGES. MAYBE WE CHANGE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT PARKING GARAGES. I THINK HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT LAMAR STREET AND HAVING A LIGHT AT LAMAR STREET THAT I REALLY THINK THAT MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO IDENTIFY AQUA. HOW DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO GET TO THE SQUARE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMES FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO BE LOOKING AT ALL THAT, BUT, UM BUT I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD POINT, BECAUSE IF WE COULD KEEP THEM IF THEY COULD COME DOWN HIGHWAY FIVE, YOU KNOW AND ENTER THE SQUARE. FROM THAT POINT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE GREAT, AND I LIVE ON LOUISIANA STREET SIDE REALLY APPRECIATE, BUT BUT I DO THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. UM JUST TO SHARE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I'VE RECEIVED. A LOT OF IT CAME FROM , UM, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT MAY WANT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT. BUT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I'VE RECEIVED IS THAT BLOCK NUMBER FOUR. THAT LOT FOR IF WE'RE GOING TO DO PARKING STRUCTURES PUT ON MAYBE OVER ON THAT SIDE, SO THAT ACTS TO YOUR

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POINT ACCESS OFF OF HIGHWAY FIVE. ONCE IT'S RECONSTRUCTED WOULD BE MORE IDEAL THAN COMING IN ON LOUISIANA AND LEAVING ON VIRGINIA. MAYBE IT'S MORE IDEAL EASIER TO COME UP A RECONSTRUCTED REDEVELOPED HIGHWAY FIVE. HIT THIS NUMBER LOT NUMBER FOUR WHERE MAYBE THERE'S A PARKING GARAGE AND EVERYBODY WINS. AND SO I THINK TO YOUR POINT. ALL OF THIS IS POSSIBLE. ALL OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. AND SOME OF THIS WILL NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE R F Q DOCUMENT SO THAT WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT PARTNER COMES TO THE TABLE WILL KNOW OUR EXPECTATIONS AS A COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT ONE FOR SURE. IS THE SQUARE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE PICTURE. IS THAT A PARKING GARAGE? THESE TWO THE RIGHT? YES IT'S UNHARMED IN THE PARKING THAT ONE OVER HERE, AND YOU CAN BARELY SEE HIM, RIGHT? YEAH SO HOW EXACTLY THAT'S REALLY CONVENIENT TO THE HIGHWAY FIVE. HOW? HOW DOES THAT. RESPOND TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YOU WANT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A PARKING GARAGE IS CONVENIENT.

HIGHWAY FIVE. I DON'T THINK IT HAS A LIGHT TO GO IN THERE. I THINK THERE WAS ONE OF THE POINTS RIGHT ABOUT A LIGHT. SO IT'S PRETTY FULL. I DON'T KNOW. IS HE IN THERE ALL THE TIME? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE EVALUATING AS PART OF THE CITY HALL PROJECT IS EVENTUALLY LAMAR WILL CUT THROUGH. THERE WILL BE A SIGNAL TO MY UNDERSTANDING. DON'T QUOTE ME ON IT, BUT I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A SIGNAL AT LAMAR AND HIGHWAY FIVE AND LAMAR WILL CONTINUE EAST OVER THE DARK RAIL TRACKS. INTO THE NORTH SIDE OR TO THE NORTH OF THE FUTURE CITY HALL. SO AGAIN FROM AN INGRESS EGRESS TO AND FROM DOWNTOWN LAMAR STREET IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY WILL BE LOOKING AT VERY CLOSELY IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS AGAIN. IT'S PRETTY NARROW. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS AERIAL WITH THOSE TOWN HOMES AND MULTI FAMILY THAT WERE BUILT THERE.

YOU'VE GOT SOME ON STREET PARKING THERE. THAT IS KIND OF LIMITING MOBILITY. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP AS BEING A PROBLEM AND SO DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I'VE ALREADY STARTED TALKING TO OUR DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING ON WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WILL NEED TO HAPPEN TO FACILITATE GOOD GOOD MOBILITY, MAYBE NOT THROUGH THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAYBE FROM A RECONSTRUCTED HIGHWAY FIVE.

HISTORICALLY MCKINNEY HAS HAD A SERIES OF TRANSPORTATION METHODS. THEY WERE VERY MEANINGFUL. IN THE EARLIEST DAYS WE HAD A HORSE TROLLEY. IT TOOK WEST MCKINNEY DOWNTOWN WITHOUT HAVING TO HITCH UP YOUR HORSE AND COME DOWN HERE. AND SO THOSE THOSE THINGS WORKED. WE HAD A BUS SYSTEM THAT RAN FROM HER JOB CORPS IS ALL AROUND, LOOPING AROUND MAKING REGULAR LOOP AND IT WAS VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE WE USE SECONDARY PARKING VERY RELIABLY, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PARK DOWNTOWN. SO MANY CARS. AND SO WHAT? WE'RE SAYING, I THINK AS A WHOLE WHAT HE WAS SAYING, I THINK QUITE WISELY AS IF WE CAN LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION AND USES AND THE ARTICULATION MINISTRATIONS. MASSING AND OFFSET WHICH ARE ALREADY IN THE PLANNING. GUIDE FOR MOST OF MCKINNEY ALREADY JUST ADAPT THOSE TWO HISTORIC PRECEDENTS. I THINK WE'VE COME UP WITH A REALLY NICE QUALITY. AND WE CAN LOOK AT MATERIALS. CERTAINLY SO WE DON'T COME UP WITH A PURPLE BREAK. WE COME UP WITH BRICK THAT FITS THE COMMUNITY. NOT SOMETHING FROM MARS OR VENUS.

YOU WANT SOMETHING FROM MCKINNEY? HE DOES HAVE A PURPLE BOX UP THERE. SO I'M THINKING PURPLE. PLEASE DON'T READ INTO THE PURPLE BOX. IT WAS THE FIRST COLOR THAT CAME TO MIND. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, WE ALL WE ALL KNOW THE STORIES OF HOW THE OLD COURTHOUSE IN THE PRISON WERE BUILT WITH LOCAL MATERIALS. AND I SOMETIMES WONDER IF WE CAN GO ANY FURTHER THAN WE HAVE ALREADY TO GET THE MATERIALS FOR DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS. YOU KNOW, WE JUST WAY OVER HERE AND OVER THERE, SO I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF HUMILITY IN THAT. THANK YOU WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. SO, MICHAEL, YOU PROBABLY ANSWERED THIS QUESTION. BUT WHAT? WHAT IS THE FINAL CRITERIA? ABUSED PICKING A PARTNER. IS IT A COMBINATION OF FINANCIAL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY SAY FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE SHOULD BE RETURNED BACK TO TAXPAYERS. SO YOU KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT SALE VERSUS YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT SO I'LL TELL YOU IN TERMS OF DAVIS AT THE SQUARE. IT WAS A NEGOTIATION WHERE WE NEEDED PARKING. IF YOU ALL REMEMBER WE HAD THE SIX STORY COURTHOUSE THERE WAS THE LEFTOVER PARKING FIELD THAT WAS LEFT THERE SO WE KNEW WHEN THAT PARKING LEFT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG GAP ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SO WE NEGOTIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNER TO GET TWO LEVELS OF THEIR PARKING GARAGE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT ALL TIMES. WE NEGOTIATED NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS, USE OF WHAT BECAME THE PLAYFUL BUILDING OR COMMON DESK . NOW THEY'RE PARKING LOT, BUT WE ALSO NEGOTIATED USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR. WE ALREADY HEARD

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MAN. I WISH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN RETAIL ON THE GROUND FLOOR. THE DEVELOPER JUST COULDN'T GET THE MARKET TO RESPOND TO IT. SO YES , WE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE RETAIL, TOO. BUT WE WERE FACED WITH WHAT'S WORSE. AN EMPTY STOREFRONT OR OFFICE. OKAY WE MADE THE COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION, SO I THINK ULTIMATELY WHAT IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO IS. WHAT DOES THE CITY NEED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT? WHAT DOES THE DEVELOPER NEED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT IS THE COST? THAT'S USUALLY WHAT THESE THINGS BOIL DOWN TO, AND IF THE CITY CAN GET WHAT WE NEED, THE COMMUNITY CAN GET WHAT WE NEED IN THE DEVELOPER CAN GET WHAT THEY NEED AT A COST THAT EVERYBODY IS WILLING TO STOMACH. THEN WE HAVE A DEAL AND WE MOVE FORWARD AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHERE WE WERE WITH. DAVID SET THE SQUARE. WE NEEDED PARKING. THE DEVELOPER NEEDED PROPERTY.

WE CAME TOGETHER AND WE GOT MAN COULD IT HAVE BEEN BETTER OPPORTUNITIES TO DO BETTER? ABSOLUTELY AND HOPEFULLY WE DO BETTER ON THIS ONE. BUT I THINK THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO. WE NEED THEY NEED MONEY IN THE MIDDLE. WHEN? WHEN, BASICALLY YES, SIR. COULD QUESTION SO MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY THEY COULDN'T ATTRACT RETAIL TO THE BOTTOM WHERE THE COSTS OF RENTAL FOR RETAIL COMMISERATE WITH WHAT PEOPLE COULD PAY ON THE SQUARE. WHERE WAS IT SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER? I COULD TELL YOU STUFF, BUT I'D BE TALKING OUT OF TURN. UM WE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COLUMBUS REALTY GROUP. WE PUSHED FAIRLY HARD WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAILS . WE PUSH FAIRLY HARD TO NOT HAVE ONLY OFFICE THERE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE RATES THAT THEY WERE CHARGING THE LEAST RATES WHETHER THEY WERE COMMENSURATE OR NOT. I DO REMEMBER THE DEVELOPER INDICATING THAT THEY HAD TRIED AGGRESSIVELY OFFERING TENANT IMPROVEMENT PACKAGES AND OTHER THINGS, AND THEY JUST COULDN'T GET UM, THEY COULDN'T GET THE TYPE OF RETAIL THAT THEY KNEW THE CITY WANTED RESTAURANTS, STOREFRONTS. THEY COULDN'T GET THAT THERE. AND SO THEY WERE FACED WITH AN OPTION OF EMPTY STOREFRONT OR GET SOME OFFICE IN THERE. AND SO ULTIMATELY THEY WENT THE OFFICE ROUTE. IT'S ALSO MIGHT BE WORTH EXPLORING JUST A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE DO ANOTHER ONE. AND THAT'S THE MARKET. FEASIBILITY YEAH, WE'RE DOING GOING TO A CERTAIN CITIES, AND IT'S LIKE A DEATH KNELL WHEN YOU START PUTTING OFFICES AT STREET LEVEL GOES, ALSO TELL YOU IN PLACES LIKE ADDISON CIRCLE THAT HAVE THE RETAIL STOREFRONTS THAT ARE BOARDED UP AND EMPTY IS ALSO GREAT. BUT I MEAN, THAT COULD BE . I MEAN, IF WE COULD BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT HAPPENED. WE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE. NOT THAT IT'S ANYBODY'S FAULT. BUT NOW STILL LIKE THE LITTLE PROACTIVE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. THE CHALLENGES THAT COMES UP MONEY AND THE MONEY COMES FROM SOMEWHERE. IT'S EITHER THE TAXPAYER PAYING TO SUBSIDIZE RETAIL THAT THE MARKET WOULDN'T SUPPORT OR THE DEVELOPER AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING THAT MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL TELL US IS THERE IS A MARKET FOR X NUMBER OF RETAIL OR X NUMBER OF OFFICE OR X NUMBER OF HOTEL.

BUT WE THIS FAR, I THINK WE'RE TAKING IT FACE VALUE. THAT'S WHAT THE COMPANY TOLD US THAT THEY COULDN'T WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THEY WERE CHARGING. YOU KNOW, SO I JUST THINK TO BE A LITTLE WARY OF THAT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S PROBABLY A LOT EASIER TO GET OFFICES IN THAN IT IS TO GET RETAIL. SO I'M IN. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'VE GOT A BIG PLACE , YOU'RE GOING TO GO THE EASY ROUTE AND YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA TRY AND DISSUADE YOU OF THAT POSITION. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY WAITED, THEY HELD OUT FOR TWO PLUS YEARS TO GET RETAIL SO NOT TO SAY THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T TRY FOR TWO YEARS TO GET READY. AND YET YOU KNOW IT IMMEDIATELY. MICHAEL AND DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. THERE'S ALWAYS PRESSURE ON THE RETAIL SPACE. THERE. YOU ASK YOURSELF WHY AND YOU COME TO THE REALITY THAT THE MARKETS THERE THERE IS EXPANDING MARKET SO IT WOULD SEEM REASONABLE TO THINK WE CAN ATTRACT PEOPLE TO INVEST IN THAT WAY WITH THE PROPER INSTRUMENTS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. JUST AS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. ONE WONDERS WHY AND YOU'VE BEEN WONDERING, AND THAT'S GOOD. I THINK WE COULD DO BETTER. MAYBE OKAY. JUST DIG A LITTLE DEEPER TO SEE LIKE, WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW? WERE THE PRECURSORS TO THAT. I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THAT DAVIS THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A DIFFERENT AREA TO. THERE'S NOTHING AROUND IT. THERE'S NOTHING ACROSS THE STREET. IF I WERE TO OPEN A SMALL BUSINESS WOULD I HAVE CHOSEN TO OPEN IT BELOW? YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THIS IS FOR FOUR SPACES IN A BETTER PART OF DOWNTOWN THAT YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC PAST DAVIS UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO DAVIS, YOU KNOW, SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF A DIFFERENT SCENARIO KIND OF WELL SEE DIFFERENT THINGS, SO WE'LL SEE. I THINK THIS IS VERY EXCITING FOR THE SQUARE. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE. I

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THINK ONCE WE GET THE PROPOSALS BACK, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY AMAZING THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF GUESSES. I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY KNOW UNTIL WE SEE ONE AND WE'RE LIKE NO, THAT'S WE DON'T WANT THAT HERE. YES THAT'S AN AMAZING IDEA, SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE, SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE PROPOSALS. I CAN'T WAIT, WAIT. THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT. FIRST. I'M EXCITED TO I JUST WANT TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD AN EXPERIENCE, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT IF WE SAY OKAY. WHAT DID WE LIKE? WHAT WE DIDN'T LIKE, DIDN'T WE? LIKE WHAT WORKED? WHAT DIDN'T WORK, YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME JUST TO NOT MONEY JUST DIG IN AND SAY, LIKE, OKAY, WHY DIDN'T THAT WORK AND DO WE WANT IT TO WORK THIS TIME? AND IF WE DO THEN IS THERE A WAY WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN? CALORIES? POINT FOOT TRAFFIC CAN BE DIRECTED BY WHERE YOU PLACE PARKING SO IF YOU USED NUMBER THREE PEOPLE TO GET TO THE SQUARE HAVE TO COME DOWN TENNESSEE, RIGHT? AND IF YOU HAVE STOREFRONTS THERE, NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO CENTRAL VISIT. BETTER VISIBILITY FOR THOSE FOLKS IF IT'S RETAIL ADVANTAGE TO DAVIS, AS IF THERE WERE RETAIL THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO GO TO. THEY'VE GOT PARKING RIGHT THERE. THEY'VE ALSO GOT THE FARMERS MARKET EVERY WEEKEND.

WHICH BRINGS IN A LOT OF PEOPLE . SO YOU GO TO THE FARMERS MARKET. I'M GOING TO STOP AT THIS SHOP OR THE SHOP, BUT THERE'S NO SHOPS THERE. SO I MEAN, I DO THINK IT'S EASY IN AND OUT OVER THERE. IT'S CERTAINLY A LOT EASIER TO GET INTO THERE THAN IT IS TO SOME OF THE STORIES ON THE SQUARE. NOT THAT I WANT TO TAKE BUSINESS AWAY FROM THEM THINK THAT THERE'S THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. IT SEEMS A OF VITAL COMMUNITY HAS BASIC THINGS HAPPENING. AS I WAS SAYING. I CAN REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD SOLD AND REMEMBER IT AND WE HAVE MANY DIVERSE USES DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY AND THAT DIVERSITY MAKES FOR LIFE BEING REALLY PLEASANT AND BEAUTIFUL. AND SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET GROCERIES AND MCKINNEY, YOU HAVE TO GO TO UNIVERSITY DRIVE. POINTS WHERE EAST OR SOUTH AREA HAS LOST A LOT OF THOSE SERVICES, AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REALIZE WHAT'S MISSING TO MAKE THIS A WONDERFUL MIX OF THINGS THAT'S GOING ON, MAKE IT CONVENIENT. SURE. I'M NOT PUSHING BODEGAS, BUT SOMETHING'S GOT TO HAPPEN.

I'M WRITING THAT DOWN MR WEST, PUSHING BODEGAS. ANYBODY ELSE? GOOD DISCUSSION, MICHAEL. GREAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING HELPS A LOT LIKE A HARD JOB AHEAD OF YOU. AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK DR FELTUS BACK THERE BECAUSE FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AND, UM IT WAS A GOOD CITY COUNCIL MEETING GOOD DISCUSSION AND PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT HOURS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE AHEAD OF YOU TWO ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE JOURNEY.

JUST ONE LAST PLUG. APRIL 26TH 6 P.M. IN THIS ROOM. TELL YOUR FRIENDS BRING A BRING A FRIEND LOVE TO SEE EVERYBODY IN HERE FROM EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY . THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUC WHERE ARE WE? OKAY. ALRIGHT, OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 23-025. DISCUSSED

[Discuss the Historic Home Recognition Program]

HISTORICALLY HISTORIC HOME RECOGNITION PROGRAM. AND IT'S THAT CASSIE. IT IS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET BACK TO MY POWERPOINT. JUST AFTER THIS. NO, IT IS OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD STARTED LAST MONTH.

SO I JUST WANT TO COME BACK, AND THIS IS AFTER STAFF IS PROCESS. YOUR COMMENTS? UM AND WE'VE GOT KIND OF NEW OPTIONS FOR YOU. SO JUST AS A REMINDER FOR THE PROGRAM GOALS WE'RE LOOKING AT TIME FOR THE HOMES HISTORIC HOMES RECOGNITION PROGRAM. WE'RE LOOKING TO RECOGNIZE, WELL MAINTAINED HOMES. SHARING THAT LESSER KNOWN HISTORY OF MCKINNEY AND THEN JUST THE VISUAL REMINDER OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN MCKINNEY. SO WE DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AGAIN WITH THE NEWSLETTER OPTION. PLUS THE RECOGNITION UM WE LOOKED AT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PRINTING.

IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO PRINT EVERY MONTH. HOWEVER, WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND WHAT WE WERE BRAINSTORMING IS THIS NEWSLETTER WOULD BE DIGITAL AND POSTED QUARTERLY AND WE COULD HAVE SMALL RUNS OF IT PRINTED AND PUT THEM IN. EASILY ACCESSIBLE PLACES AND THEN PRINT MORE AS NEEDED. SO IF 50 YEAR GONE FROM ONE LOCATION IN A MONTH. YOU CAN ALWAYS GIVE MORE THAT LOCATION. SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. UM A NEWSLETTER WOULD ALLOW US TO

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STILL FEATURE THE 14 HOMES. BUT IT'S ALSO NOT REQUIRED. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY YOU CAN MHM PUT AS MANY OR AS FEW IN THE NEWSLETTER AS YOU'D LIKE. AND THEN THE NEWSLETTER ITSELF. IS TARGETED FOR THE FULL, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AREA. AND THAT WOULD BE NICE FOR US TO HAVE THIS ENHANCED REACH FOR THE HISTORIC HOMES PROGRAM. AND THEN WE DID HEAR A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM ME ALL ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING SOME SORT OF ABBREVIATED CALENDAR, SOMETHING THAT UM, STILL GIVES YOU ENOUGH SPACE TO READ IN A CALENDAR. BUT MAYBE NOT, AS, UM AS MANY PAGES. SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS ESSENTIALLY REDUCING THE PAGE NUMBERS OF THE CALENDAR. YOU COULD STILL FEATURE 14 HOMES THIS WAY. AND THESE ARE JUST TWO OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT LAYOUTS WHERE YOU COULD FIT TWO CALENDAR SPREADS IN A SINGLE SPREAD. SO WHAT THAT DOES IS TAKES DOWN THE PAGE NUMBERS TO APPROXIMATELY FIVE PAGES, HE WOULD STILL HAVE AN EXTRA SET OF PAGES OR AN EXTRA SPREAD AS WELL. THAT COULD HAVE ADS COULD HAVE FUN FACTS. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT ON THAT PAGE. THIS ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE PRINTED, TRADITIONAL TRADITIONAL STYLE.

OR WE DIGITAL. AND AGAIN GIVES THAT REACH FOR THE PROGRAM. AND SO THIS JUST KIND OF HAS BOTH SIDE BY SIDE AND I WAS HOPING WE COULD HAVE A BIGGER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. SEE HOW YOU WERE FEELING ABOUT IT. AND, UM I'M ALL EARS. I LIKE A PHYSICAL CALENDAR. I DON'T THINK. I DON'T THINK COST IS NECESSARILY BIG FACTS WITH THE CALENDAR ITSELF. I MIGHT AGREE THAT IT NEWSLETTER REALLY DETAILED NEWSLETTER SENT OUT THE TONE. PEOPLE MIGHT NOT MAKE A TON OF SENSE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE COST TOO MUCH FOR THE CALENDAR. I LOVE A CALENDAR. IN THE LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALK TO REALLY ENJOY THE CALENDAR. ALSO. ABBREVIATED THAT MIGHT WORK. ONLY DID YOUR PROTOTYPE. MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BUSY. FOR ME TO DO THAT. I AGREE WITH TIM. HEY, SO I WAS ALWAYS A PROTOTYPE WILL PASS THESE AROUND SO Y'ALL CAN LOOK BUT THEY THESE ARE KIND OF OPTIONS. YEAH SO THIS WAS JUST LOOKING AT? I'LL GO BOTH WAYS HOW YOU ADMIT ALL THIS STUFF FOR ONE CALENDAR IN ONE MONTH, AND SO IT'S YOU SEE, THE CALENDAR AREA IS A LITTLE SMALLER. WE TOOK OFF IN THIS DRAFT AT LEAST. TOOK OFF ALL THOSE OTHER EVENTS AND DATES AND THINGS, SO THERE WAS ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO WRITE ON THE CALENDARS. AND THEN, UM, YOU GOT YOU STILL GOT THE PICTURE. YOU STILL GOT ROOM FOR THE NARRATIVE. YOU'VE STILL GOT ROOM FOR THE DATE AND THEN THERE COULD OR COULD NOT BE ROOM FOR. I MEAN MOST IN THE PAST, MOST OF OUR NARRATIVES FOR THE HOUSES WEREN'T NECESSARILY AS MUCH SPACE AS THESE SQUARES TAKE UP, AND SO THAT COULD STILL LEAVE ROOM FOR PEOPLE WHO STILL WANT TO PURCHASE ADS, IF, BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY STILL WANTS TO DO THAT , OR FOR ADDING FUN, FACTS AND THINGS AND THAT WOULD GIVE US YOU KNOW. JANUARY FEBRUARY ON ONE PAGE WHEN LAYOUT AND THEN MARCH AND APRIL AND SO FAR AND SO FORTH. GOING DOWN THE WAY WE'RE STILL WITH THE SAME. YOU KNOW THE COVERS THAT WITH THE INFORMATION ON THE BACKGROUND, JUST LESS PAGES THAN THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW WITH THE FULL PICTURE. YOU KNOW, AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO ASK PEOPLE. UM IF THEY WHAT THEY PREFERRED PEOPLE THAT I ASKED, I SAID, WELL, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT A DIGITAL NEWSLETTER? THEY SAID I WON'T READ IT. I GET TOO MANY. I WON'T READ IT. I SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE CALENDAR? THEY SAID I LOVE THE CALENDAR. NOW I WILL TELL, YOU KNOW THEY WERE PROBABLY PEOPLE THAT WERE CLOSE TO MY AGE THAT I ASKED, AND, UM AND I KNOW THAT MAYBE THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM BUT THEY BUT THAT WAS THE RESPONSE THAT I GOT ALSO ASKED PEOPLE THAT HAD BOUGHT ADS FOR THE CALENDAR, BECAUSE, UM, UM AND I ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTION AS FAR AS THE QUALITY OF THE PHOTOS AND THE PAPER, AND THEY SAID DEFINITELY, THAT THEY WOULD STILL I WANT TO BUY AN AD FOR THE CALENDAR. SO THAT WAS JUST THE THAT WAS THE RESPONSE THAT I GOT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I ASKED SO ANYONE I DON'T KNOW. LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT A CONCEPT WHERE WE MIGHT USE FEAR PAGES TO GET MORE ON HOW MANY OF YOU COLLECT BASEBALL CARDS, BUT I LIKE BASEBALL CARDS BECAUSE I CAN TAKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF INFORMATION AND PUT IN A SMALL SPACE. AND IT OCCURRED TO ME. WELL, IF I LIKE BASEBALL CARDS MIGHT I LIKE SINCE I HAVE ALL THE CALENDAR STACKED SO HIGH, SO I HAVE ALL THOSE PICTURES RIGHT THERE AND LOOK AT THEM. I LOVE THEM. WHAT IF WE HAD SIX PICTURES ON ONE PAGE AND THEY'RE

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PERFECT. YOU CAN STACK THEM AND YOU CAN HAVE A FILE. I LIKE FILES. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE LIKE THAT AND YOU CAN RECYCLING IMMEDIATELY AND THEY WON'T TAKE SO MUCH DISPLACE, BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THE INFORMATION RIGHT THERE QUICKLY ACCESSIBLE SO IN TWO PAGES WOULD HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS FOR 12 HOUSES. AND ON THE BACK SIDE. YOU HAVE THE HISTORY OF IT. SOMETHING LIKE THE IDEA IS TO SEE THE HOUSE THE MOST VALUABLE THINK THERE'S THE AGREE , AGREE? I'M JUST SAYING, MOST OF US CAN SEE THIS CLOSE CLOSE. YEAH, IT'S A MATTER. IT'S A PERCEPTION. SUPER HIGH RESOLUTION JEWELERS THING, AND, YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK PEOPLE IF THEY FIND OUT THAT THEIR HOUSE IS GOING TO BE ON THE CALENDAR, PEOPLE GO TO A LOT OF TROUBLE. PREPARE TO GET READY FOR IT. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO FEATURE THEIR HOUSE THAT WE OUGHT TO YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT. ONE THING THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT WAS THAT I THINK YOU SAID WE PRINTED 5000 HOW MANY COPIES AND MAYBE WE DON'T DO AS MANY AS 500. IT WAS 8525 COPIES LAST YEAR, $1000. AND THEN ALSO, WILL YOU REMIND ME HOW MUCH DID WE GET? AS FAR AS PEOPLE BUYING ADS AND THEN HOW MUCH DID WE THAT NUMBER. I'M NOT SURE IF I DO KNOW THAT WE SPENT EXACTLY 10,000 FOR THE 8525. FOR SOME REASON, 8000 COMES TO MIND AS FAR AS WHAT ADS WE SOLD, AND THEN WE HAD TO PUT IN TWO. IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? TERRY'S LOOKING IT UP RIGHT NOW. I THINK I THINK IT WAS LIKE 85 SOMETHING THAT WE SPENT RIGHT? 85 25 IS WHAT WE GOT IN ADS. AND SO WE MADE UP THE DIFFERENCE. AND MAYBE WE DIDN'T NEED TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT 700 LEFT RIGHT NOW. YEAH AND YOU DON'T KNOW YOU MAY HAVE MORE LEFT BECAUSE THERE BECAUSE RIGHT LIKE THAT'S WHAT I HAVE IN MY POSSESSION, RIGHT? MAYBE WE DON'T PRINT 8000. COMPANIES INDEED, DID WE LOOK INTO I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE IF WE ACTUALLY GOT A DECREASE IN PRICE IF WE ORDERED LESS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU DON'T GET MUCH OF A DISCOUNT. IF YOU ORDER LESS. DID WE FIND THAT OUT? WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THAT OUT IN SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME. ABOUT YOUR TALKS WITH CASSIE WARNER, THE PHOTOGRAPHER. YES SO WE DID SPEAK WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHER. THANK YOU, TIM. UM AND SHE IS INTERESTED IN DURING PHOTOGRAPHS. NO MATTER WHAT FORMAT THEY TURN OUT TO BE, IF IT'S DIGITAL OF ITS PRINTED SHE IS HAPPY TO DO THAT, AND THEN WE COULD FEATURE HER. IN THE CALENDAR OR THE NEWSLETTER. HOWEVER IT TURNS OUT KIND OF PRO BONO. YEAH SHE FOR A SPONSORSHIP RESPONSE, WASN'T IT? SHE'S GOT PRETTY BROAD ONLINE PRESENCE TO THINK IT WOULD HELP. VISIBILITY OF PRODUCT SHOULD BE GREAT. THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T PUT THIS ONLINE RIGHT OR DO WE ORDER AS WELL AS WE HAVE A VERSION OF IT ONLINE. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT LIKE JUST THE CALENDAR ONLINE.

IT'S MORE OF. KIND OF LIKE THE PHOTOS ARE THERE AND THEN IT SHOWS YOU ON A MAP WHERE THEY ARE, BUT THEORETICALLY, YES, WE COULD PUT IT ONLINE JUST STRAIGHT ONLINE AS A CALENDAR.

I'M GONNA ADD A LITTLE BIT TOO, THAT SO IN THE PAST, WE HAVE DONE THE PICTURE AND THEN A MAP LIKE A STORY MAP FOR THAT. WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT PARTICULAR MOTIVE DOING IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF CHANGES IN FORMAT OF THE SOFTWARE AND THE WAY THAT RUNS WITH THE COMPANY THAT MAKES THE SOFTWARE AND SO AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS YEAR'S ISN'T THERE THAT WAY, BUT THERE IS THE POTENTIAL TO DO SOMETHING THAT IT IS MORE DIGITAL. THAT IN ADDITION, SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE PICTURES AND IN THE PAST, WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE PHOTOS UP THERE SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD STILL PUT THE PHOTOS THERE THAT WAY. SOUNDS LIKE HARD COPIES ARE DESIRED. OKAY? FOR MOST OF US, YES, BUT NOT ALL OF US TRADITIONAL CALENDAR. I THINK IF WE JUST GET BETTER PHOTOS CASSIE IS WILLING TO DO THAT. WE GIVE THE PEOPLE'S HOUSES A HEADS UP ON WHEN CASSIE IS COMING BY SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE THEIR HOUSES LOOKING A PLUS. AND THEN YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON LIKE THE COLOR SCHEME A LITTLE BIT. CALENDAR IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE DESIGN AND I THINK, KEEP IT TRADITIONAL. LIKE HOW THE CALENDARS ARE. I DO. GET A LOT OF ONLINE STUFF. SO ARE WE SAYING TO. ONE OLD SCHOOL WITH THE PICTURE ON THE TOP OF THE CALENDAR ON THE BOTTOM OR JANUARY ON ONE FEBRUARY ON THE NEXT ONE PER PAGE, BIG PROFESSIONAL PICTURE. PRINT FEWER COPIES. JUST SO SAME FORMAT, FEWER COPIES. I AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY OKAY, RELATED TO

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THAT. THAT MEANS IN MAY NEXT MONTH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON THE NOMINATIONS, WHICH I THINK WE JUST BARELY HAVE ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR HIM. AND SO THAT WE CAN GET BORED AND GET EVERYBODY KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. WHERE DO PEOPLE SEND NOMINATIONS AGAIN? THERE'S A LINK ON THE WEBSITE. FOR THAT. GOULD. FORMALISM. SO SHE ASKED IF YOU GUYS WANT TO KEEP THE SAME FORMAT WHERE WE DO THE SAME PRICES IN FORMATS OF ADS RIGHT NOW WHAT WE WOULD BE WHAT NOW Y'ALL AREN'T SELLING ANY ADS ANYMORE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET, AND SO REALLY, IT'S JUST WHO CALLS US AND SAYS, HEY, WE WANT AN AD IN THERE OR IF WE REACH OUT TO ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT DID IT BEFORE AND FIND OUT, BUT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF SEE WHAT JAMES COULD DO IF HE HAD THE DIGITAL TEMPLATE ALL THIS STUFF AS FAR AS MAKING BASEBALL CARD LOOKING STUFF, SO VERY THAT IDEA TOO CUTE AS AN EXTRA THING. YEAH LIKE A PACK OF CARDS. ALMOST COOL. ESPECIALLY ON THE LIKE THIS ONE. I'LL GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS. THE STORE CALLED THIS HOUSE FOR ANOTHER HOUSE HAS PUT HIM ON THE BACK OF PLAYING CARDS. 2123 ARMS. YEAH. MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS. I WOULD EVERYBODY GOOD CAME UP WITH. OKAY SO WE'VE GOT OUR MARCHING ORDERS. OKAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY UH, DO WE DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ATOMS? NOT ON

[BOARD AND STAFF COMMENTS]

THE AGENDA. ANYBODY, OKAY? ALRIGHT AND THEN NOW, DO WE HAVE BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS I HAVE SOME STAFF ITEMS. FIRST ITEM UP FOR BID. THAT'S SO TO SPEAK NEXT MONTH IS PRESERVATION MONTH NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH AND SO WE WILL BE DOING A OR ASKING COUNSEL TO DO A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROCLAMATION AT THE BEGINNING OF APRIL, SO THAT WILL THAT AT THAT MEETING, I THINK IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IN MAY THINK THAT TUESDAY IS ACTUALLY RIGHT BEFORE Y'ALL'S MEETING, SO IT WILL HAPPEN BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING. SO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW NOW. SO BE LOOKING FOR THE AGENDA ITEM AT THAT FIRST MEETING FOR MAY. WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING OUR HISTORIC SURVEY UNDER WAY, SO WE'LL HAVE MORE UPDATES ON THAT AT THE MAIN MEETING. JUST TO SEE YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT. UM. SOMEBODY MENTIONED DAVID. YOU MENTIONED FAMILY ORIENTED STUFF UP HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE SQUARE NEAR THE LIBRARY IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, PARKS AND RECS JUST PUT A LITTLE PARK IN WITH SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OVER AT CENTRAL PARK. SO IF YOU'RE OUT WITH THE KIDS OR GRANDKIDS STOPPED BY, I THINK IT'S ALL DONE NOW. SO THAT'S A NEW EDITION. UM. MOVING FROM ADDITIONS TO LOSSES. THERE IS A METAL SHED BUILDING ON THE SIDE OF THE SILOS, THE SILOS THAT JUST GOT THE ARTWORK PAINTED ON THE SIDE OF HIM. THE BIG CONCRETE SAILORS THAT METAL SHED BUILDING HAS BEEN HAS HAD SOME CHALLENGING STRUCTURAL ISSUES FOR A WHILE AND HAS BEEN FIXED A FEW TIMES ABOUT COUNCIL AND THE STAFF DECIDED THE OTHER DAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TAKING THAT SHED BUILDING DOWN. BECAUSE IT'S JUST KIND OF POSING A CONTINUING SAFETY CONCERN. AND SO THAT WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND TAKE A PICTURE OF IT OR SOMETHING, YOU CAN DO THAT COMING UP HERE SOON.

UM JUST PICK UP WHEN SOMETHING GETS TORN DOWN. THAT'S WHERE I START. YES BY THE WAY, THERE'S A SIMILAR STRUCTURE. MORE MERIT AND MORE POTENTIAL, WHICH IS SEEMINGLY UNUSED AT THE COTTON MILL. TO THE SOUTH. TO ACTUALLY TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE COTTON MILL. IT WAS A WAREHOUSE FOR THE COTTON MILL. AND RUFUS REPAIR. THE SIDING NEEDS TO REPAIR IT, BUT IT'S HUGE. MANY USERS COME TO MIND HOW IT CAN BE USED AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOT IN MIND FOR IT, BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD DESIGNATE IT IN OUR MINDS AS AN IMPORTANT STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT HAS POTENTIAL AND IT HAS USED AS UTILITY AND ITS SUCCESSFUL SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT BEFORE IT'S TORN DOWN. OKAY OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT BUILDING HAS TEST FOR IT. SO I HAVE TO. I HAVE TO FIND OUT. UM AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING NEXT MONTH. ALSO IN MAY'S MEETING NEXT MONTH, THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE WILL BE COMING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT UP TO THE NEXT ROUND OF WHO'S WHO'S GOING TO BE APPOINTED, WHOSE TIMES ARE UP THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PROCEDURE FOR DOING YOUR NEW APPLICATIONS FOR THE BOARD WILL BE LOOKING FOR THAT NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA. AND THEN THE LAST THING UM BETTY ASKED WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE BUILDINGS DOWN IN THE SOUTH CORNER OF TENNESSEE AND DAVIS STREET THERE IS THERE IS A PLAN APPROVED FROM PARKS CHURCH

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TO HAVE A CEO A APPROVED TO DO SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE FEW BUILDINGS THERE. 1 21, 1, 29 AND 1 31 SOUTH TENNESSEE STREET, WHERE THEY WILL BE DOING SOME RESTORATION TO PART OF THE FACADE AT 1 31. UM AND THEN ADDING A SECOND STORY TWO PARTS OF THOSE BUILDINGS, SO, UM, THAT WILL BE COMING ALONG. IN THE FUTURE. THE DEPARTMENT CHURCH CHURCH AT THE COURTHOUSE. THEY DO SO THEY WILL BE MOVING INTO A MORE PERMANENT HOME DOWN ON THE EDGE OF TOWN THERE ON THE ON THE EDGE OF SCHOOL OF THE SQUARE. ALL DISCLOSURE. I BELONG TO PARKS, CHURCH, GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT. YEAH, THEY'RE GOOD FOLKS. THAT'S ALL THAT I CAN THINK OF THE WHOLE TIME. MY LIST. SO QUESTION, PAULA. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALKING. I'M GOING TO GET THE WRONG NAME CITY. CITY GOVERNMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT BECOMING A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT. YES SO WE DID GET COUNCIL DID SAY, GO AHEAD AND WORK ON LOOKING INTO THAT. AND SO KATHY AND I ARE WORKING THROUGH WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET THAT APPLICATION DONE WILL WILL BE WORKING ON THAT.

OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL REQUIRE WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO THAT APPLICATION. IS RESUMES FROM MYSELF AND FROM EACH OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SO BE LOOKING OUT FOR WHEN WE SEND OUT A NOTE AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED A COPY OF YOUR RESUME BECAUSE THAT WILL HAVE TO GO IN WITH ANY APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE SO THAT IT'LL TAKE A FEW PROBABLY A MONTH OR SO. TO GET THAT APPLICATION DONE, AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, AND THEN IT WILL BE A PROCESS TO IT IS A DESIGNATION BY THE STATE AND IN COHORTS WITH THEIR WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND SO, UM, YEAH, SO MARTIN TAKE THIS. C B. YEAH. FOR PLAYING ANYTHING ELSE . I HAVE ONE JUST LITTLE BITS.

NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. UM THAT COULD BE A GOOD TIME TO POST ON THE CITIES, SOCIAL MEDIA WE ARE, YES, WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO A POST AT LEAST EVERY MONTH OF EVERY WEEK IN THE MONTH OF MAY, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO PROBABLY TRY TO DO A TEASER ONE THAT LAST WEEK OF APRIL IT SAYS. HEY PRESERVATION MONTH IS COMING. BE ON THE LOOKOUT, SO THAT'S GOOD. OH THAT REMINDS ME. SORRY ONE MORE THING. WE WILL BE DOING A WORKSHOP AT THE LIBRARY ON THE 25TH THE NIGHT BEFORE MICHAEL'S PRESENTATION. YOU CAN JUST MAKE IT A WHOLE WEEK OF SPENDING TIME SQUARE ON THE 25TH WILL BE DOING A PRESENT. NATION. AT THE LIBRARY CALLED SURVEY SAYS JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE SURVEY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THERE'S ALSO A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON OVER IT'LL SETTLERS BY HOUSING AND COMMUNITY SERVICES ON THE 22ND. SO APRIL'S ARE REALLY BUSY MONTH AROUND HERE. YOU HAVE COPS FOR US TO SLEEP ON WHAT? WE'RE DOING ALL THESE MEETINGS DO NOT DO NOT HAD . IT'S A GOOD THING MANY OF YOUR LOCAL PERSON SPEAKING WORK. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? SOME MOVED. BOARD MEMBER PANTS. DO I HAVE A 2ND 2ND? BOARD MEMBER HANGS ALL FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY WOMEN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND OPPOSED. OKAY WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 6 53. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Apr 06, 2023 Historic Preservation Advisory Board

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