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GOOD AFTERNOON. WE CALL OUR MEETING TO ORDER TODAY IS TUESDAY, APRIL 18TH YEAR. 2023 IT'S 3 30 IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 2 22, NORTH TENNESSEE STREET CITY OF MCKINNEY. WE ARE BEING BROADCAST TODAY ON 18 T U VERSE CHANNEL 99. AND ONLINE. I HAVE
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TO COMMENT CARDS. I'M GOING TO CALL YOUR NAME. IF YOU'D COME UP, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.YOU'LL HAVE A SCREEN TO YOUR LEFT AND RIGHT TO GIVE YOU A TIMER THAT YOU'LL SEE WILL TURN YELLOW WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS AND RED WHEN YOU HAVE FIVE. I BELIEVE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UM VERSUS DIANE CRAIG. HI MY NAME IS DIANE CRAIG . I LIVE AT 309 NORTH BENCH STREET. I AM PRESIDENT OF THE MCKINNEY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND WE ARE CELEBRATING OUR 30TH YEAR OF, UH SUPPORTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND BUILDING COMMUNITY. BUT I'M HERE TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCILWOMAN FELT THIS AND COUNCILMAN FILLER AND ASSISTANT, UM. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER BARRY SHELTON FOR COMING TO OUR HISTORIC MEETING LAST WEEK AND SHARING THEIR OFF HOURS TIME WITH US AND SHARING THEIR EXPERTISE ON A VARIETY OF TOPICS. THAT WAS A COULD MEETING AND, UH. TO ME. IT WAS BUILDING COMMUNITY, SO I LIKE THAT. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER FOR THIS PROCESS ON REDEVELOPMENT THAT YOU STARTED. I'M ON THE STAKEHOLDERS GROUP TO GATHER INFORMATIONSEND IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GET FEEDBACK. AND I WANT TO THANK MICHAEL QUINN FOR BEING OUR LEADER. AH! THAT'S IT'S REALLY GOOD TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE. GET THE FEEDBACK. BEFORE EVERYTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE, AND NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S BUILDING GOOD COMMUNITY, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU. DIANE ARE YOU ? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS OUT EVEN OVER THE WE WERE REFERRING TO THE COMMUNITY COMMITTEE THAT WAS OUT OVER THE WEEKEND DURING ARCHIE BLOOM AND DOING SURVEYS AND WHATNOT, BUT IT MAY BE OKAY, BECAUSE THERE IS THERE IS A COMMITTEE ALSO, YOU KNOW, DOING THE SURVEYS IS ON THE STAKEHOLDERS GROUP WITH ME. YES. SO IT WAS KIM MAY VERY WELL BE. YEAH I SAW HER. SHE WAS OUT THERE WORKING ARTS AND BLOOM AND TAKING SURVEYS WERE GATHERING INFORMATION. YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT? IT IS HER WORKING DILIGENTLY. IT WAS GREAT. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. PAUL MILES. MY NAME IS PAUL MILES 11 TO 60 EAST DAVIS STREET APARTMENT 2118. HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN. I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER OF THE CHESTNUT SQUARE HISTORIC FACILITY OVER HERE, AND FINALLY, I HAVE A FOOD TOUR BUSINESS IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY, WHERE I SELL THE HISTORY OF MCKINNEY AND HIGHLIGHT THE MERCHANT OWNERS, THE RESTAURANT OWNERS AND ALL OF THAT, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I AM COMING TO SPEAK AND ASKING YOU TO HELPER.
I'M HEAVILY WEIGHT THE CONSIDER AND GIVE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE GREENBELT TUNNEL OF PARK ACCESS OVER TO THE EAST SIDE OF HUMAN BEHAVIOR WILL SEE ANY BRIDGE WHICH WILL ALSO FACILITATE GETTING FROM ONE SIDE TO THE NEXT. WE'LL SEE THAT AS A BARRIER YOU MIGHT AS WELL BUILD A WALL. PEOPLE WILL PARK OVER THERE AND THEY WILL STAY OVER THERE. IT WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU CONSIDER THE CHOICE. THANK YOU, SIR. I BELIEVE THAT IS OKAY. SETTLE DOWN. YEAH. I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL THAT WE HAVE IN PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE WILL MOVE TO DISCUSS FIRST REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THE REGULAR AGENDA THAT COUNSEL LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF WHILE THEY'RE HERE. AND SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT TO OUR WORK SESSION ITEM.
[State Highway 5 Downtown Pedestrian Connection Feasibility Study Update]
STATE HIGHWAY FIVE. DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION. FEASIBILITY STUDY UPDATE THAT'S ITEM 23 TO 91 KM FLAM. HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD. HELLO, MR MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM IN COUNCIL. GOOD AFTERNOON. AFTERNOON. SO WE ARE HAPPY TO BE BACK BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT OUR STATE HIGHWAY FIVE DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN FEASIBILITY STUDY A DECK PARK. I'M GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW AND JUST A COUPLE OF BULLETS. POINT TAKEAWAYS. GARY GRAHAM IS GOING TO HANDLE THE BULK OF THE[00:05:04]
PRESENTATION, BUT A QUICK REFRESH AND WHERE WE WERE. WE LAST TALKED ABOUT THE DECK PARK AT A MEETING LIKE THIS IN APRIL OF 2022. IN THAT MEETING. WE SHARED THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH YOU. THERE WAS THE DECK PARK OPTION IN INVERTED DECK PARK OPTION AS WELL AS AT GRADE AND THE COUNCIL ASKED SOME GREAT QUESTIONS AND ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, AND TO THAT END, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS. WE HAD A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PERIOD. WE REFINED OUR BUDGET ESTIMATES AND ALSO REFINED AND RESEARCHED OUR FUNDING SOURCES. AND WE ALSO WORK TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS PROJECT. IN CONTEXT WITH THE STATE HIGHWAY FIVE PROJECT. SO TODAY I'M HERE FOR THE OVERVIEW. GARY IS GOING TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL. WE WENT INTO A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT EACH OPTION SPECIFICALLY IN APRIL. WE AREN'T GOING TO DO THAT TODAY BECAUSE SOME OF THE NEW INFORMATION IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY.STRATEGY FUNDING, ETCETERA, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. IF ANY QUESTIONS COME UP. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF KEY TAKEAWAYS BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION. A LOT OF THINGS LEARNED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS. WHEN WE WERE HERE IN APRIL, WE PRESENTED THREE OPTIONS AND WE SAID ALL OF THESE ARE VIABLE OPTIONS, AND THEY ONLY VARY AS RELATED TO COST AND COMPLEXITY. THAT IS STILL THE CASE GENERALLY, BUT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE LEARNED IT IS STAFFS PERSPECTIVE. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY ALL EQUAL, SPECIFICALLY THE DECK PARK OPTION THAT WOULD TAKE HIGHWAY FIVE AND PUT IT UNDERNEATH WHILE IT DOES PROVIDE A GREAT GREEN SPACE HAS SO MANY CONSIDERATIONS AS RELATED TO PROPERTY ACQUISITION, REDUCING EAST WEST MOBILITY AND OTHER AREAS COST AND REDUCED FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. FOR US IT IS NOT AS VIABLE OF AN OPTION AS EITHER THE INVERTED PARK FOR THE AT GREAT OPTION. TO THAT END. WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THE DECK PARK TODAY WE'RE SHARING IT, BUT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO FOCUS OUR ATTENTION AND THE INVERTED PARK IN THE AT GRADE OPTION. ALSO THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK. IT PROVIDED SOME LAYER DIRECTION. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR PUBLIC GREEN SPACE. YOU WILL SEE SUPPORT FOR THE DECK PARK.
BUT YOU LOOK IN THE COMMENTS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE LAYERS OF INTERESTING THOUGHT BEHIND THAT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WAS ATTACHED TO THE PACKET SO THAT YOU HAVE THE FULL COMMENTS AND THE FULL SURVEY RESULTS BEAR IN MIND THAT THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK WAS PROVIDED BASED ON PLANS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME AND COSTS THAT WEREN'T COMPLETELY FINALIZED. SO ALL WE HAD A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SAY THAT THEY LOVE THE DEBT PARK. THEY WOULD ALSO SAY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VERY COST CONSCIENCE AND THOSE TWO THINGS DON'T EXACTLY ALIGNED COMPLETELY. ALSO IF YOU REMEMBER WE HAD PUT TOGETHER THREE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS ONE FOR EACH OPTION, AND WE HAD TOLD THE COUNCIL THAT WHEN DEVELOPING THOSE DESIGNS, WE LOOKED AT A BEST IN CLASS OBJECTIVE. WE MADE IT AS MUCH OF A LEGACY PROJECT AS WE COULD EACH PATH THAT WAS AVAILABLE FOR US, AND THAT GAVE US THE BEST ABILITY TO SORT OF TAKE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON AGAINST THE DESIGN. WHAT WE DO KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MORE INVERTED OPTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. UM BEST IN CLASS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR LEGACY PROJECT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT TOPOGRAPHICAL LAYERS AND SPACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO CONGREGATE. YOU REALLY DO WANT TO PUT THE INVESTMENT INTO IT TO MAKE IT A SPACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE. AT THE END OF THE DAY. THAT BEST IN CLASS OBJECTIVE IS A DETERMINATION FROM THE COUNCIL AND IS SOMETHING THAT CAN VARY BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION. ALSO WE ARE NOT AT THE END. TODAY WE ARE REQUESTING COUNCIL DIRECTION IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE PROVIDING IT WITH THE INFORMATION AT HAND, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND BUILD WHATEVER YOU REQUEST TOMORROW. IN FACT, SOME OF THE STEPS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY ALMOST FEEL LIKE A BACKWARDS STEP, BECAUSE ONCE WE GET DIRECTION, WE STILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE MAYBE TWO STEPS FORWARD AND ONE STEP BACK, BUT WE WILL GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU GIVE US DIRECTION TODAY AND WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE YOU WITH MANY MORE DECISION POINTS AND TIMELINES ALONG THE WAY. ADDITIONALLY THE DESIGNS ARE AN INCREDIBLE FIRST START. BUT YOU CAN EXPECT THAT THE DESIGN WOULD CHANGE. BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT YOU PROVIDE, MOVING INTO THE FUTURE. WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO HAVE GARY GRAHAM COME UP AND GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION OR QUICK? YES, SIR. CLARIFY. WHEN WE FIRST PRESENTED THIS WEEK PRESENTED FOUR OPTIONS. THAT PARK INVERTED DECK PARK. A ENHANCED VERSION THAT IT THAT ASSUMED. RECLAMATION OF THE
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PROPERTIES ON EACH SIDE AND MAKING IT PARK ON EACH SIDE. AND THEN I DO NOTHING OPTION. WE JUST ACCEPT WHAT EXCEPT WHAT TEXT DOT DOES FOR US? YES. IN THE GO AHEAD. WE DIDN'T REALLY WE TALKED ABOUT THE DO NOTHING OPTION BUT DID NOT INCLUDE THAT AS AN OPTION, BUT ULTIMATELY IN WHAT IS PRESENTED. I'M ASSUMING WHEN WE GET TO IT, THE OPTION THREE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. WHAT THREE AND FOUR WERE PRESENTED AS ORIGINALLY YEAH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T TAKE THE RECLAMATION OF PROPERTY ON EACH SIDE. THEY MAKE LOTS OF LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS , OR AT LEAST THAT WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE IN THE DIAGRAM. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF CREATED THIS COMBINATION OF THREE AND FOUR. I'LL HAVE GARY GO INTO THE DETAIL, BUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS EXACTLY SORT OF THE IT'S. IT'S THE WORLD OF THE GRAY. THAT COULD HAPPEN IF THE COUNCIL ONCE THE COUNCIL CHOOSES THE PATH ON ANY OF THE OPTIONS, WE CAN GO DOWN THE PATH OF OKAY, LOOK AT THE PROPERTY ACQUISITION REQUIREMENTS. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? DO WE NEED TO ADJUST ACCORDINGLY? YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THERE WERE FOUR THERE WAS WHAT WE CALL THE DO NOTHING OPTION BUT BECAUSE WE ALWAYS FELT THAT PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS. OVER THE TEXT THAT STANDARD OR REQUIRED OR THAT THAT WAS NECESSARY FOR MCKINNEY . WE REALLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT OPTION, BUT YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH AS RELATED TO WHAT THE AT GRADE CROSSING COULD LOOK LIKE WITH PROPERTY ACQUISITION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION VERY WELL. BUT GARY WILL BE ABLE TO GO INTO THAT THIRD OPTION A LOT MORE DETAIL. JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT SURVEYS THAT WERE DONE AT THE TIME WHEN WE HAD FOUR OPTIONS, OPTIONS THREE AND FOUR ARE NOT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TODAY.IT'S A COMPLETELY NEW OPTION THREE. THAT IS A COMBINATION OF THE. TWO ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU, KIM. SO STAFF SUBJECTIVE WHEN WE COMPLETING THIS PROJECT IS TO PROVIDE THE COUNCIL WITH THE BEST INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW YOU WANT TO RECONNECT THE COMMUNITY. IT'S CLEAR HIGHWAY FIVE IS A DIVIDE BETWEEN THE EAST AND WEST, AND WE WANT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE A INFORMED DECISION. SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE OPTIONS REAL QUICKLY TO MAKE SURE WE JUST REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MIND ON THE HIGHLIGHTED THE DIFFERENCE IN OPTION THREE HAS COST AMERICAN BELLER POINTED OUT FROM THE DIRECTION WE RECEIVED A YEAR AGO FROM FROM YOU. BUT REMEMBER, AS WE TALK ABOUT THESE CONCEPTS, KIM WAS HIGHLIGHTED. THESE ARE JUST CONCEPTS. THESE AREN'T FINAL DESIGNS. THEY ARE NOT DETAILED DESIGNS. THEY ARE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT A PARK COULD LOOK LIKE ANY OF THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS ONCE A OPTION IS SELECTED, AND WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD WILL HAVE A DETAILED DESIGN PROCESS AND INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL IN THAT DECISION MAKING.
SO THE FIRST OPTION IS THE TRADITIONAL DECK PARK. SO HOW WE FIVE IS DEPRESSED GOES UNDERNEATH THE PARK. THE PARK IS AT GRADE WITH VIRGINIA IN LOUISIANA. BIG OPEN SPACE THERE.
AS KIM MENTIONED ALSO, THIS REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY ACQUISITION. THIS OPTION WOULD REQUIRE A PARTIAL AND FULL TAKINGS, VARIOUS PARTIAL AND FULL TAKINGS OF 27 DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, SO VERY IMPACTFUL TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND PROPERTIES. THIS IS A NEW SLIDE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. IT IS JUST REALLY TO GIVE YOU A SCALE OF WHAT THAT PARK IS THAT SIZE, SO IT'S 2 410 FT. EAST TO WEST 220 FT. NORTH TO SOUTH THAT IS ROUGHLY 90,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO ACRES. SWITCHING TO THE INVERTED DECK PARK. THIS IS KEEPING HOW WE FIVE AT GRADE, SO IT IS COMPLETE, CONTINUES THE INTERSECTIONS OF VIRGINIA IN LOUISIANA AT HIGHWAY FIVE. PARK IS NOW SUNKEN DOWN AND GOES UNDERNEATH HIGHWAY FIVE. THIS OPTION REQUIRES THE ACQUISITION FULL TAKING OF FIVE DIFFERENT PARCELS. SO IMPACTFUL COMPLETE TAKING, BUT NOT AS MANY AS THE OTHER OPTION. AGAIN GIVING YOU SOME SCALE TO THE PARTICULAR PARK HERE. SAME ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE FOOTPRINT. UM ABOUT TWO ACRES, NOT ALL EXACTLY THE SAME USABLE TYPE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME TRANSITION AREAS TO GET PEOPLE DOWN INTO THE PARK. SO STARTING ON THE WEST END, THE 1ST 50 FT OR SO THAT STADIUM STYLE SEATING KIND OF AMPHITHEATER OVERLOOKING THE PARK THERE, STAIRS THERE TO GET PEOPLE UP AND DOWN OVER THERE, ELEVATOR ON THAT WEST SIDE AS WELL. THEN WE HAVE ABOUT 260 FT. OF FLAT LAWN SPACE THAT COULD BE PROGRAMMED UNDERNEATH THE HIGHWAY FIVE AND THEN YOU GET INTO ANOTHER TRANSITION ZONE THAT 70 FT. THERE'S A PARK IN THEIR LITTLE, UH, PLAYGROUND TYPE EQUIPMENT IN THIS EXAMPLE AND THEN ANOTHER 30 FT OF TRANSITION. WE DID HEAR WHEN OUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE NORTH
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CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS THAT THEY REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA, BUT TO REALLY SET IT OFF FOR THEM, THEY WANT TO SEE SOME LOCAL BUSINESS ACTIVATION. THEY TALKED ABOUT GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION. WE'RE NOT SURE HOW TO ACHIEVE THAT. SO MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE A, UM, UPPER LEVEL ACTIVATION. BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THEY WERE VERY KEEN ON IS SOME PRIVATE PRIVATE SECTOR. IN ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PARK. SO WE WANTED TO TRY TO FIND A COMPARABLE SPACE TO GIVE YOU SOME REAL WORLD EXAMPLE WHAT A SUNKEN PLAZA COULD LOOK LIKE AND THIS IS OVER IN THE COLONY GRAND SCAPE. THIS IS WHERE NEBRASKA FURNITURE MART IS AND ALL THOSE OTHER VARIOUS SHOPS OVER THERE, AND THEY HAVE CREATED A SUNKEN PLAZA. SO THIS IS A PHOTO. OH, UM, COMING DOWN THE STAIRS. WALKING INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT, YOU CAN SEE THE RETAIL DOWN ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR ON THE TOP FLOOR. THERE'S RESTAURANTS THAT ARE OVERLOOKING AT PLAZA AREA. ON THE LEFT HAND PHOTO THERE. THAT'S THE AERIAL VIEW OF THAT THAT SIZE OF THAT SUNKEN PLAZA. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SIZE OF THAT AREA, BUT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THE TWO ACRES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. JUST OFF THE PAGE AND TO THE LEFT. THERE'S ACTUALLY A TUNNEL THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THAT SIX LANE ARTERIAL THAT CONNECTS TO A BREWERY AND LITTLE POND OVER THERE. THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL PARKING AND YOU CAN GO UNDERNEATH THAT TUNNEL INTO THE SUNKEN SPACE. UM ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. IT'S A LITTLE TULANE STREET. UM, THAT. GOES THROUGH THE RETAIL ACCESS, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT TRAFFIC THERE, BUT WHAT WAS REALLY STRUCK ME AS WE ARE STANDING DOWN THERE AND OBSERVING THIS DURING THE DAY WHEN THERE'S TRAFFIC ON THIS SIX LANE ARTERIAL THEY ARE PLAYING MUSIC ON THESE CANTILEVERS DOWN THERE , THAT MUSIC WASN'T ALLOWED. AND TRUE, SHIV A TRUCE IT BUT WHAT IT DID WAS REALLY INTERESTING.BLOCKED OUT ANY TRAFFIC NOISE. TRAFFIC NOISE FROM HIGHWAY FIVE HAS BEEN A CONCERN. IT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE JUST TOOK NOTE OF. WOW. THEY WERE ABLE TO DO SOME DESIGN ELEMENTS TO HELP MITIGATE THAT CONCERN. THIS IS AT THE GRAND SCAPE DEVELOPMENT IN THE COLONY. NEBRASKA FURNITURE MART IS SO THEY'RE PLAYING MUSIC NEXT FIVE. I KNOW THERE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE FROM HIGHWAY FIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE. THEY'RE PLAYING MUSIC DOWN THERE TO MITIGATE THE NOISE OF THE STREET RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT. IF I SAID HOW I FIVE, I APOLOGIZE DOESN'T HAVE A 46 LANE ROADWAY GOING OVER THE TOP. THERE IS A SIX LANE ADJACENT AS CLOSE AS THEY HAD 100 YARDS AWAY. IT'S ON THAT LEFT HAND THAT IMAGE ON THE LEFT THAT THAT IS A STREET. THAT'S THAT'S A SIX LANE ARTERIAL RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT, SO IT'S NOT OVER. IT'S NOT EXACT SAME CONDITION. UM BUT I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO NOTE IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH WITH CARD AND WHATNOT, THE RTC THAT THERE WERE EXAMPLES THAT HAD WHERE YES, CERTAINLY THAT'S A CHALLENGE THEY'VE HAD TO MITIGATE AND VERY SUCCESSFULLY IN MANY, MANY, MANY AREAS. WHAT WAS CONCERNED YEARS AGO HAS CHANGED. IN RECENT TECHNOLOGY AND MATERIALS AND OTHER THINGS EXACTLY RIGHT. WE DID HAVE SOME EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS ALONG THOSE LINES.
SO HERE'S A CROSS SECTION OF THE PARK LOOKING UNDERNEATH THE PARK IN THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN CONCEPT. IT'S 90 TO 125 FT, UNDERNEATH AND WIT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LARGE AREA. IT WON'T FEEL CLOSED AND CLAUSTROPHOBIC UNDERNEATH IT. AND THEN BACK AT THE GRAND SCAPE. UM. THIS IS UNDERNEATH SOME OF THEIR CANTILEVERED AREAS . THAT'S A 12 FT. HIGH CEILING TYPE YOU CAN SEE THEY WERE DOING INVOLVING SOME LANDSCAPING. THERE ACTUALLY IS A WATER FEATURE JUST HAPPEN. NOT HAPPENED NOT TO BE ACTIVE AT THE TIME WE WERE THERE. THEY DID SOME REALLY NICE ELEMENTS TO FEEL THIS SPACE FILL, INVITING AND COMFORTABLE TO BE IN AND THE GOAL IS TO DO THAT TYPE OF DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENT AND NOT THE ONE ON THE LEFT. AND THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE TRUE TUNNEL. AT THE GRAIN SCAPE CONNECTS THE TWO SIDES OF THE FACILITY. SO CLEARLY NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AN INVERTED DECK PART ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF SCALE. THIS IS ACROSS THE WHOLE WIDTH OF THE PARK. YOU CAN SEE THE 12 FT CLEARANCE FROM UNDERNEATH THE DECK OF THE BRIDGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OF THE PARK SURFACE. YOU CAN SEE THE LAWN AREA THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH. THE THIRD OPTION AND COUNSELING. VAL, YOU'RE RIGHT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY, WE HEARD CLEARLY, UM, AT THAT LAST MEETING, AND A YEAR AGO THAT THE IDEA WAS TO PARKS SEPARATED BY HIGHWAY FIVE IN THE MIDDLE WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL SUPPORTED. SO WE KIND OF COMBINED THAT IDEA OF THE DO NOTHING WITH WITH STILL DOING SOME ENHANCEMENTS. WE DIDN'T. WE THINK THE OPTION OF THE BARE
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MINIMUM TEXT THAT WOULD DO IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, AND SO WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE FEELING THAT YOU ARRIVED AT A DESTINATION. UM, WE BROUGHT THE SHOWING LANDSCAPING UP AGAINST THE ROAD. WE'VE GOT THE STAMP CONCRETE ON VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA. TRY TO OFFSET THAT SO YOU COULD FEEL A I'M IN A NEW LOCATION. IT'S NOT JUST THE SAME THROUGH MOVING CORRIDOR YOU HAVE ON OTHER PIECES OF HIGHWAY FIVE, UP AND DOWN. THIS IS A SLIDE YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. THAT JUST COMPARES THE LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY COST DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT WE CONSIDERED TO EACH OTHER. AS KIM SAID, NOT ALL OPTIONS ARE EQUAL THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE THEY'RE ALL FEASIBLE, BUT WE'RE NOT ALL BE EQUAL. AND GARY JUST TO POINT OUT IF YOU GO BACK SLIDE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE ORIGINAL OPTION. THREE. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. NOW YOU KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT. I DIDN'T I OVERLOOKED AT THE GRADING AND IS ON THAT OPTION AS WELL. I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOEVER CREATED THE LOW TO HIGH IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHOUT THE ORIGINAL. YEAH. UM. SO IT ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO CONSTRUCT A LITTLE BIT LOWER COST ALL THOSE THINGS ACTUALLY GO DOWN. COMPLEXITY WISE. YEAH. UM WE DID HOST THE PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING IN JULY OF LAST YEAR. WE HAD GREAT ATTENDANCE AT OVER 125 PEOPLE. IT WAS FANTASTIC TO SEE THE COMMUNITY THAT ENGAGED ON THE PROJECT. AT THE SAME TIME, WE DID THE ONLINE SURVEY, WHICH WAS WE HAD ABOUT OVER 1100 RESPONSES. THIS WAS A NONSCIENTIFIC SURVEY STAFF. WE CREATED OUR OWN QUESTIONS. AND AFTERWARDS, I THINK WE SAID NO, WE CAN MAYBE SHOULD HAVE WORDED QUESTION HERE. THEY'RE DIFFERENT, BUT WE HAVE SOME INPUT AND HAVE SOME FEEDBACK. WE CAN GIVE YOU GUYS THAT WAS. KIM MENTIONED BOTH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE COMMENT. CARDS AT THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET AND ALL THE SURVEY RESPONSES OR WERE IN ALL THE COMMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE ARE ATTACHED. IF YOU WANT TO. TO GO THROUGH THOSE A FEW TRENDS.WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. IS 60% OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE ONLINE SURVEY PREFER THE DECK PARK, BUT THERE WASN'T A CORRELATION TO COST. EVERYBODY WAS VERY COST SENSITIVE WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS, BUT THE SURVEY AS I SAID, WE HAVE TO WE GOT THE RESULTS, WE REALIZED WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE WORRIED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ON COSTS TIED TO OPTION. UM WE? THERE WAS CLEAR, THOUGH RESPONSIVE THAT THEY NEED MORE. PUBLIC SPACE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THERE WAS CLEAR DESIRE FOR THAT. AND THEN ALSO CLEAR CONCERNS WITH SAFETY SECURITY. THE NUISANCE THAT ASPECT THAT THE INVERTED DEBT PART COULD BE SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IF THAT'S AN OPTION. WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WE ARE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT WORK FORWARD DESIGNS THAT TRY TO MITIGATE MITIGATE THAT. SO WE UPDATED A COST SINCE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, COSTS WENT UP. UM SO THE ALTERNATIVE ONE THE DECK PARK. THE BASE CONSTRUCTION COST IS 70 TO $80 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING. RIGHT NOW. THE BASED COSTS INCLUDES THE ENGINEERING THE RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE FOR THE ROAD.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE DEPARTMENTS , A SEPARATE WHERE ESTIMATED $15 MILLION TO CONSTRUCT THE PARK.
THE SO THAT PUTS THAT THAT OPTION IN THE 85 $95 MILLION RANGE OPTION TO THE INVERTED DECK PARK IS 25 TO 30 MILLION FOR THE BASE COST $15,000,015 MILLION FOR THE PARK. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 40 TO 45 MILLION, AND THEN THE ALTERNATIVE THREE. THE ENHANCED AT GRADE CROSSING, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY FEATURES WE DO WITH HARDSCAPE, SOFT SCAPE, LANDSCAPING, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT $3,000,003 MILLION RANGE. KNOWING THAT PUTTING A DEBT PARK INVERTED DECK PARK. IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE AN INCREASED MAINTENANCE COSTS. THERE IS A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF PROGRAMMING. WE UH WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE COVERED THIS SLIDE AS WELL. AND SO WE TRY TO PUT A BALLPARK NUMBER ON COSTS FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE. TO YOU TO YOU. GET A BALLPARK FOR THAT COST. WE REACHED OUT TO OUR CONSULT, REACH OUT TO THE CLYDE WARREN FOUNDATION AND ALSO TO THE STAR BASED ON THE SCALE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS TO OURS. WE ESTIMATED THIS 22 $2.5 MILLION FOR THAT THIS IS NOT DETAILED OUT YET. THESE ARE ROUGH NUMBERS . WE WANT TO GIVE YOU AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. WHAT WE THOUGHT THIS MAY BE TO REALLY ADDRESS THAT NUISANCE AND SAFETY CONCERNS. WE FELT LIKE PROGRAM MEMBER. THIS PARK IN ACTIVITY AT THIS PARK IS, UM LOST, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PROGRAM IN AN ACTIVITY THAT IS UNDESIRABLE ACTIVITIES START TO HAPPEN, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FACTOR THAT IN OUR DECISION MAKING WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME SINCE WE LAST TWO WERE TOGETHER TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THIS. WE HAD NUMEROUS CONCERTS, CONVERSATIONS WITH NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST PATH FORWARD. THIS IS THE BEST INFORMATION WE COULD
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COME UP WITH, UM, FOR THE DECK PARK. WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A COMPETITIVE GRANTS SCENARIO.THEY HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT COMPETITIVE GRANTS ARE OUT THERE NOW WITH THE BILL GRANT OR BILL, LEGISLATION, BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE, WHATEVER THAT ACTUAL TITLE WAS FROM FEDERAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THERE IS A LOT OF GREAT OPPORTUNITIES. BUT THEY ARE EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE.
THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO WIN ONE OF THOSE GRANTS TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT.
THERE'S VARIOUS GRANTS 20 TO 50% LOCAL MATCH DEPENDING ON WHICH GRANTED GO FOR IN YOUR SUCCESSFUL SO OF THAT BASE COSTS . WE ARE ESTIMATING 20 TO 50% OF THAT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 14 TO $40 MILLION LOCAL CONTRIBUTION. THEN WE HAVE THE $15 MILLION PARK. ON TOP OF THAT. WE HAVEN'T FOUND A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE PARK. THE INVERTED DECK PARK. THIS IS WHERE COG REALLY STEPPED UP. THEY SURPRISED US. THEY CAME TO US AND SAID WE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT $30 MILLION OF FUNDING OF THE PROJECT. IT WAS FANTASTIC AND THE NEWS FOR US TO HEAR ON A TYPICAL PROJECT THAT WOULD BE IN THE 20% LOCAL MATCH RANGE, AND THEY TO ME WHAT IT SHOWED WAS THEY REALLY SEE THE VALUE IN US RE STITCHING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER. AND SEE THIS AS MAYBE A PILOT TYPE PROJECT FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES AND THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AREAS. HOW YOU COULD BRING A PROJECT THE COMMUNITY BACK TOGETHER. THE LAST OPTION WOULD BE ALL FUNDING ALL LOCAL FUNDING FOR THE $3 MILLION. $30 MILLION ONLY INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT COVER COSTS FOR THE PARK. I NEVER COULD QUESTION 30 MILLION JUST FOR THE INVERTED THEY WON'T PUT THE 30 MILLION TOWARDS THE OTHER. WE HAD A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THAT THEY WEREN'T CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THAT. THEY MADE SOME COMMENTS THAT THEY DIDN'T SEE INVESTING IN THAT TYPE OF MONEY IN THAT 70 $80 MILLION PROJECT THAT WAS WISE. BUT THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY SPECIFICALLY SAY WE COULDN'T TAKE THE $30 MILLION AND APPLY IT TO THE DECK PART. MY GUESTS ARE MY FEELING WAS FROM THAT CONVERSATION. WE WERE WITH THEM. THAT WASN'T AN OPTION THEY WERE LEANING TOWARDS AND SO THAT REALLY WASN'T IN THEIR THOUGHT. BUT THE QUESTION WE COULD CLARIFY WITH THEM THERE.
IS THERE ANY HOPE FOR EXTERIOR OTHER THAN THE MCCAIN TAXPAYER FOOTING THE CAST FOR THE PART THAT 15 MILLION. YOU KNOW, THERE IS OCCASIONAL PART GRANTS. THEY'RE OUT. THERE WE ARE CURRENTLY HAVE AN R F Q OUT RIGHT NOW TO BRING A CONSULTANT ON BOARD. HELP US LOOK FOR GRANTS TO SERVE ALL BASIS OF THE CITY PUBLIC WORKS VIDEO FOR ELECTRIFICATION, SOLAR PANELS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS PARKS, GRANTS TRANSPORTATION. WE HAVE SOMEBODY COMING ON BOARD WORKING TO BRING SOMEONE TO HELP US. LOOK FOR THOSE. I JUST DON'T KNOW THEM OFF TOP OF MY HEAD, OCCASIONALLY CALLING CONNIE COLLIN COUNTY HAS SOME GRANT FUNDING AVAILABLE TO HELP BUILD PARKS. BUT I DON'T KNOW IT'S IN THE $15 MILLION RANGE TO DO THAT. YOU. SO HOW DOES THIS PROJECT IMPACT HIGHWAY FIVE? THE SHORT ANSWER IS I DON'T KNOW YET. WE DO KNOW THAT THE, UM THE PROJECT IS ABOUT 70% DESIGNED TECHSTAT IS ANTICIPATING A LETTING OF THE HIGHWAY FIVE PROJECT HIGHWAY FIVE PROJECT FROM 3 80 DOWN TO SPUR 3 99. IN LATE 2024 THAT COULD SLIP FOR VARIOUS REASONS. UTILITIES HAVE TO RELOCATE. WE HAVE TO RELOCATE OUR UTILITIES THAT COULD DELAY THAT A LITTLE BIT. UM, BUT HOW OUR PROJECT INTEGRATES WITH THE COG OR WITH THE TEXTILE PROJECT.
KAGA SAID. LET US TAKE THE LEAD ON HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. DON'T GO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITHOUT US GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. COME BACK TO US, AND THEN LET US HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE FUNDING. WE'RE FUNDING PARTNER TO THE KAGISO FUNDING PARTNER WITH TECH STOP FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS, SO THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY FELT THEIR LEVERAGE ON THE FUNDING OF THAT PROJECT WOULD HELP BE ABLE TO MARRY THESE TWO SCHEDULES BETTER TOGETHER, SO WE HAVE NOT DUG INTO THAT CONVERSATION WITH HIM YET. WE DO KNOW THAT OUR UTILITY RELOCATION PROJECTS UNDERWAY. FRANCHISE UTILITIES ARE UNDERWAY. THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE IMPACTED BECAUSE WHATEVER OPTION WE CHOOSE COULD IMPACT WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED AND HOW THEY'RE WORKING TO RELOCATE. WE TALKED ABOUT TAKING HIGHWAY FIVE OFF SYSTEM BEFORE. UM AND YOU KNOW MY OPINION TO ACHIEVE THE CONTROL THAT WE WANT AS A CITY OVER THE CORRIDOR TO DO FUTURE SIGNALS TO DO OTHER CROSSINGS ALONG THE CORRIDOR WITHOUT THE OVERSIGHT OF TEXT DOT I THINK TAKING OFF THE ROADWAY OFF SYSTEM IS THAT IT? IS A VERY PRUDENT MOVE NOW. THERE IS A COST. WE NOW INHERIT MAINTENANCE OF THAT CORRIDOR WHERE TEXT THAT WOULD HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK IT GIVES US MORE CONTROL. IF WE WANT TO DO OTHER INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ENHANCE OTHER INTERSECTIONS FOR CROSSINGS, OTHER SAFETY RELATED PROJECTS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TEXT FOR THEIR APPROVAL ANYMORE . IT IS JUST ASK DECIDING. HEY, THIS IS THE PROJECT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. NOW WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THE RIGHT WAY. HARRY WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU
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ANTICIPATE THAT COST TO ME? UM WE HAVE A RULE OF THUMB AND I AM NOT REMEMBERING THAT ON TOP OF MY HEAD OF MAINTENANCE COST PER LANE MILE, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, I'LL HAVE TO GET THAT AND SEND IT TO YOU GUYS. BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BRAND NEW CONCRETE ROADWAY THAT IS NOT GOING TO NEED A LOT OF MAINTENANCE FOR MANY YEARS. NOW IT DOES FIT INTO THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE IN MAKE SURE COGNIZANT OF THAT. BUT I WILL GET THAT NUMBER AND GET IT SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY TO FOLLOW THEM. IT WAS QUESTION IF WE TAKE THIS OFF HIGHWAY FIVE, IT'S NOT AS PAYING TECH STOCK HAS ASKING THEM BUILD US A NEW CONCRETE ROAD, BUILD SOMETHING PRETTY RAPID UP AND PUT IT INTO THE TREE AND GIVE IT TO US AND THEN WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE. BEYOND THAT, IS THAT FAIR, EXACTLY CORRECT. GARY TOURIST ONE. WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR PART FUNDING. CORRECT I BELIEVE THAT IS A INELIGIBLE PART. COST ALSO PROJECT COST. IF NOT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED AS WELL. OKAY WITH THAT. I'M GONNA TURN BACK OVER KIM LET HER WRAP UP THE CONVERSATION. SO IT'S LIKE DEJA VU HAVE THE SAME SLIDE AS I DID BEFORE. JUST A COUPLE OF KEY TAKEAWAYS. NOT ALL THE OPTIONS ARE EQUALLY SINCE STAFFS PERSPECTIVE ANYMORE. WE REALLY ARE LOOKING AT MORE OF THE INVERTED OPTION OR SOME VARIATION OF THAT, AS WELL AS AN ADD GREAT OPTION THAT PUBLIC FEEDBACK. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT IT DIGESTED. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN THE COMMENTS. UM FOR THE INVERTED PARK IN PARTICULAR, WE REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT BEST IN CLASS IS CRITICAL FOR THE SUCCESS. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IS THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE GOING UNDERGROUND, THERE WERE SAFETY AND SECURITY CONCERNS. WHAT WE SAW AT GRAND SCAPE IS THAT THOSE CAN BE ALLEVIATED WITH DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND LIGHTING AND TECHNOLOGY. AND, UM OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, BUT YOU HAVE TO PUT THE FUNDING INTO THAT TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF PROJECT AND AGAIN. THIS IS NOT THE END MUCH MORE TO COME BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT IS PROVIDED. AND WITH THAT, YOU KNOW GARY GARY MORE THAN MYSELF. HE'S BETTER AT ANSWERING QUESTIONS, AND I AM, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. CAM WITH WITH GRAND SCAPE. IS THAT A PUBLIC OWNED FACILITY LIKE THE SUNKEN PLAZA, PART AS IT IS A PRIVATELY OWNED FACILITY IS GOING TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT IS PRIVATELY OWNED. BUT I AM NOT LIKE FACT, CHECKED THAT. BUT THAT IS GENERALLY A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WOULD COMPLETELY CHANGE HOW THEY CAN OPERATE AT VERSUS HOW WE CAN OPERATE. IT IMPACTS HOW YOU CAN OPERATE IT AS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU PUT INTO IT. HOW MUCH MONEY YOU ALLOCATE TO THAT SPACE . AS YOU KNOW, IN AN ANNUAL BASIS. GARY SHARED SOME NUMBERS WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT WE FELT WERE ADEQUATE ANNUAL COST TO MAINTAIN AND PROGRAM IS SPACE LIKE THAT.WE DID GET THOSE COSTS BY TALKING WITH FOLKS THAT CLYDE MORIN AND SORT OF OTHER DYNAMIC PUBLIC SPACES. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF SOMEONE WANTS TO LOITER IN A PUBLIC PARK THAT CAN LOITER IN A PUBLIC PARK VS AND A PRIVATE FACILITY. THEY'RE CERTAINLY DIFFERENT RULES AROUND HOW YOU CAN PUBLIC SPACES ARE OPEN TO EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC. UM. CAN YOU? YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOME SLIDES AT THE END OF THIS. THE SHOW. SOME OF THE I GUESS SPACES. REFERENCE SLIDES.
YEAH WHEN I LOOK AT THAT SLIDE RIGHT THERE. WE'VE GOT 31,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE. HOW MUCH OF THAT IS NOT COVERED BY A HIGHWAY. SO IF YOU LOOK REALLY CLOSELY, YOU CAN SEE THE WATER.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A WATERMARK. SO WHILE I DON'T HAVE NOW, AND THIS IS JUST THE LOWER LEVEL JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES JUST IN CASE JUST SO EVERYONE ELSE CAN SEE THEM. SO WHAT THESE SLIDES SHOW IN MY MIND ARE SORT OF THE LAYERS OF THE PARK. SO UM , I'M GOING TO START HERE YOU HAVE THE STREET LEVEL LAYER, WHICH IS THE STATE HIGHWAY FIVE LAYER, AND I THINK WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS RENDERING IS THAT THE SIDEWALK IS NOT RIGHT ON THE ROADWAY. IN THIS DESIGN. IT'S PULLED AWAY SO IT BECOMES MORE OF A VIEWING AREA OVER THE PARK VERSUS A SIDEWALK ALONG THE ROAD. AND THEN YOU START TO SEE HOW YOU CAN STEP DOWN INTO THE SPACE. YOU HAVE A PLAYGROUND AREA, AND THEN YOU HAVE MAYBE SORT OF YOUR BASE LEVEL GRADE AGAIN. THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. ENTIRE THING COULD CHANGE IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION COUNCIL CHOOSES AND WANTS TO GO A DIFFERENT WAY. BUT THESE RENDERINGS SHOW JUST GENERALLY THE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF SPACE IS THAT WHEN YOU WORK WITH GRADES THAT YOU WANT TO CREATE TO CREATE INTEREST BUT WHEN WE SAY THE AMOUNT OF WE SAID EARLIER, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT'S CREATED WITH THIS
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LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT SPACE IS COVERED BY A HIGHWAY CORRECT. TWO ACRES OF SPACE, I THINK LESS IS UNDER THE HIGHWAY, THEN IS UNDER THE SUNSHINE. I DON'T HAVE THAT. BUT JUST YOU KNOW IF WE IN THE IN WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED THERE IN THAT 62,000 MUCH MORE IS UNDER THE HIGHWAY. NO, I WOULD SAY THE OPPOSITE. I THINK MORE LAND AREAS UNDER THE SUNSHINE THAT IS UNDER THE ROADWAY, BUT WE CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU. BUT BASED OFF WHAT YOU WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER MAPS SAY I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 5000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE SIMILAR TO THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU HAVE IN THE STEPS. SO IF YOU GO TO THE ONE WITH THE STEPS THAT SHOWS 4500 SQUARE FEET THAT ONE THERE THAT YOU'VE GOT A SIMILAR SIZE. WELL THE SO HERE YOU CAN SEE SORT OF THAT CIRCLE. THAT'S THAT IS ALL UNDER THE SUNSHINE AND THEN ON THIS OTHER AREA, THAT WHOLE BLOB I WOULD SAY ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT YOU'VE GOT A SIMILAR AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT IS RIGHT, SO THAT'S THE UNDER THE SUNSHINE AREA. AND THEN LET'S GO. TO NOW YOU SEE, NOT THE ENTIRE PARK IS NOT UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE. I'M NOT SAYING IT IS. I'M JUST SAYING WHAT WE'VE DRAWN HERE THAT WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE STEPS IN THE 88 REQUIREMENTS TO GET PEOPLE DOWN AND AMPLIFY THEATER. THAT WE'VE WE'VE GOT IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE LEFT. THAT IS NOT UNDER THE ROADWAY. SO MY ESTIMATE IS THE CIRCLE ON THE LEFT THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE OUT FROM UNDER THE HIGHWAY. IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 5000 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE 4500 OR 4000 OF STEPS AND BEAUTIFICATION AND OTHER THINGS THAT AND THEN DESIGN AND THAT DESIGN CORRECT BETTER THAN TWO WHEN, WHEN MY MEASUREMENTS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'VE GOT TO GET DOWN TO 15 OR 20, FT OR WHATEVER IT IS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF BRACING AND STEPS AND 88 COMPLIANCE AND ELEVATORS AND THINGS THAT ULTIMATELY WE GET VERY LITTLE. PARK SPACE OUT OF THIS IS WHAT I'M GETTING TO I MAKE A COMMENT JUST FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW. MADE THE SAME COMMENT WHEN WE DID BEFORE, WHY WOULD WOULD PUT A PLAYGROUND NEXT TO A STATE HIGHWAY? I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT IS . IT'S JUST NOT WHERE I THINK WE NEED COLLECTOR SPACE. IN GENERAL, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR KIDS, BUT LET ME GUESS. LET ME GET TO SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, TOO, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE ULTIMATELY BENEFIT IS FAIRLY SMALL. I THINK THE WHILE THE NOISE. I KNOW THAT THEY CAN BE MADE AGAINST. YOU'RE STILL SITTING UNDER A BUNCH OF CARS THAT ARE JUST SPEWING FUMES. RIGHT THERE. IT IS A BUSY INTERSECTION. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GATHER. UM AND I THINK THE COMPARISON TO GRAND SCAPE IS A DIFFICULT ONE BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A PRIVATE AREA THAT IS SURROUNDED BY RETAIL VERSUS IN THIS ONE OF PUBLIC AREA THAT IS LARGELY UNDER THE UM THING. UM.ON THE TIMING OF THE HIGHWAY. FIVE IMPROVEMENTS SCARY BUT WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT MEANS. THAT IS YOU THINK YOU SAID THERE'S 70% DONE WITH DESIGN TODAY, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY MAY IF NOTHING ELSE STOPPED THEM. WHEN WOULD THEY START? LET THE PROJECT IN LATE 24. SO SAY, OCTOBER NOVEMBER 2024, THEY PROBABLY GET CONSTRUCTION EARLY . 25 LET'S BE. 30 MONTHS 2.5 YEARS FOR CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME THEY HAVE NOT COMMITTED TO THAT. THAT'S JUST MY ESTIMATE OFF LOOKING AT STUFF. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO REDESIGN AND ACQUIRE PROPERTY AND DO ALL THE THINGS WE'RE I THINK I THINK THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS AND THE DESIGN PROCESS HAPPENED CONCURRENTLY TO TRY TO MINIMIZE DELAYS. UM BUT YOU PROBABLY GOT A YEAR'S WORTH OF WORK. IF NOT 18 MONTHS. I MEAN THE PROPERTY ACQUISITION, DEPENDING ON WHICH OPTION YOU CHOOSE. CHOOSE COULD INFLUENCE THAT 27 PROPERTIES ARE ACQUIRING VERSUS VERSUS THE FIVE THERE'S ALSO SOME BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE TO BE RELOCATED IS EITHER OPTION THAT COULD INFLUENCE THAT SCHEDULE A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. WOULD IT BE SAFE, THOUGH, BECAUSE OF COURSE I WAS IN THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.
THAT IF WE TAKE THE CAR, GET THEIR WORLD AT THEIR WORD. RTC MICHAEL MORRIS THAT HE FELT THAT IT WAS IT WAS VERY, VERY ACHIEVABLE, IF NOT PROBABLE, TO NOT HAVE ANY DELAY WHATSOEVER THAT THERE WAS A HIGHWAY FIVE WAS SEGMENTED PROJECT. IT WAS NOT THAT HIGHWAY FIVE WOULD NOT BE SHUT DOWN FROM UM, DOWN SOUTH THAT WERE THAT TO THE NORTH AND THAT HE, UM MATTER OF FACT, WHEN
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WE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONE OF THE OUR CONCERNS IS DELAY HAS COMMENT WOULD BE WELL, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DELAY THAT THAT IT'S VERY ACHIEVABLE TO NOT HAVE A DELAY BASED ON THE SCHEDULING THAT THEY SAW PUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT IN THE FACE AND THAT THEY WOULD DO? I THINK YOU CAN BE VERY CREATIVE IN THAT CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING, SCHEDULED TO PUT TOGETHER THE TEXT DOT AND COULD DO. THAT WAS HIS CLAIM CLAIM CLAIM THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE A DELAY. TEXT THAT NORMALLY DOESN'T DO IT THAT WAY. AND SO TAKE SOMEBODY WITH HIS RELATIONSHIPS TO MAKE SOME OF THAT FUNDS TEXT ON NINE BILLION A YEAR, SOMEONE LIKE THAT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO PUSH BACK ON. YOU KNOW, I FOR ONE. DON'T CONSIDER UM, OPEN SPACE PARK SPACE CONFINED TO JUST WHAT IS DIRECTLY UNDER THE SUN, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TWO. YOU KNOW, TWO ACRES OF PROPERTY. WE JUST SAW THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DO AMPHITHEATER, SEATING AND ADRIATIC, FOR EXAMPLE. AND THAT HAS BECOME THE HIGHEST COLLECTED COLLECTIVE COLLECTING SPACE OF INDIVIDUALS ON A DAILY BASIS OF ANYWHERE IN ALL OF THE OPEN PARK SPACE IN ADRIATIC A. SO I FEEL THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF PUBLIC USE. THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AMPHITHEATER, TYPE SEATING. WHETHER THERE'S AN EVENT OR NOT, THEY GO. THEY GATHER THEY, YOU KNOW, COFFEE, LUNCH, PICNICKING WHATEVER. BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAKE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE BACKGROUND OF HIGHWAY.WELL IF I COULD HAVE X RAY VISION, SEE THROUGH THE UNDERSIDE OF THAT AND SEE THE CARS. I MIGHT AGREE WITH THAT, BUT BEING THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SEE THAT OR THE CARS THE WAY THAT THIS IS DESIGNED WITH THE WITH THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THEN THE WALK SPACE THAT'S HERE. UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE HARD PRESSED TO SEE A CAR HERE FROM DOWN HERE. SO I PUSHED BACK ON THAT A LOT AND AGAIN. I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER EXAMPLES THAT ACCORDING TO RTC, AND COGNITIVE EXISTS OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE MIGHT NEED HELP SOMEONE SEE YOU HAVE THOSE PICTURES TO HELP CREATE THE DIVISION OF NOT ABLE TO SEE IT THROUGH HERE. OR WITH THESE EXHIBITS. I'LL JUST SAY THAT. I MEAN FOR ME THE DECK PART IS ABSOLUTELY THE BEST OPTION. IF YOU HAD ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, BUT WE DON'T AND I THINK THAT DECK PART WOULD BE GREAT, BUT NOT AT TWICE THE COST OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU KNOW. I MEAN TO ME. WE COULD TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE HAS THE STOMACH TO TRY TO DOUBLE THE COST OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND WHERE YOU THIS IS 70% FUNDED BY THE TECH STOCKS WOULD BE GREAT.
SO I'M THEY WERE, THEY WOULD FUND 100% OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ROAD. THE PARK WOULD BE LIKE WE WOULD IF WE WERE PUTTING IN A PARK PARK SO TO ME, I SEE IT AS A ZERO ABOVE THE COST OF A PARK. ANYWHERE THAT WE BUILD A PARK AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST DESIGN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE MEETING THAT WOULD LIKEN IT MUCH MORE ACTUALLY, TO A GRAND SCAPE IS THIS IS AMPLE THEATER SEATING AGAIN. I SEE THAT AS VERY USABLE SPACE. BUT IF THE RETAIL HERE OR HERE WAS BUILT TO WHERE THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT RETAIL WAS AT GRADE LEVEL BELOW. THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT THAT MICHAEL HAD HAD HAD AND REFERENCE VARIOUS PROJECTS LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD GIVE IT MORE OF THAT GRANTS CAPE NOT SAYING THAT I WOULD BE PUSHING OR PREFERRING THAT OR NOT, BUT MAYBE IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ON THE WEST SIDE AND NOT ON THE EAST SIDE. BUT YOU KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THIS PROJECT. I HAVE BEEN VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I THINK IT'S UM IT'S UH SOMETHING THAT STITCHES TOGETHER. TWO SIDES OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE RTC IS OBVIOUSLY SEEN IT THAT WAY AND COG AND WILLING TO STEP UP AND PAY 100% OF IT AS A AS A RESULT OF THAT OPINION. UM HERE THAT COMMENT. GEORGIA JUST A STRUGGLE WITH WE HAVE MILES OF THIS HIGHWAY THAT IT DOESN'T STITCH TOGETHER. NO DOUBT POTENTIALLY DELAYS, IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS FOR HOW WE DEAL WITH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AT HELM. OR IT, IRWIN OR ANY OF THE OTHER SHORT OR ANY OF THE OTHER STREETS THAT THAT WHERE WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS THAT CROSS THAT STREET EVERY DAY. AND SO I GUESS. BUT THE TWO ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE, OF COURSE. IT'S NOT ONE OF THE OTHER FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, THEY ARE AND FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT, WE'RE SITTING HERE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING $45 MILLION TO SOLVE THAT ISSUE AND A BLOCK. AND WE POTENTIALLY MAKE IT WORSE EVERYWHERE ELSE BECAUSE WE'RE
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NOT. WE'RE NOT SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC. WE'RE NOT UM, WE'RE NOT CREATING AN EXPECTATION FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET THROUGH THIS WHOLE AREA. WE'RE KIND OF GIVING PEOPLE THE WAY THAT REMOVING THE OBSTACLES FOR YOU THIS PRECLUDE US FROM DOING THAT, AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE NOT SPENDING 45 MILLION. THAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE JUST SAYING GENERALLY, WE'RE SPENDING 45 MILLION HAS BEEN SPENT TO GET PEOPLE FROM ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO THE OTHER. IN THIS BLOCK, BUT WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT ANYWAY TO SPEND. OR IMPROVE THAT ACCESS ANYWHERE ELSE ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. BUT WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT QUESTION? I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR HIGHWAY FIVE TO COME ALONG, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE ANSWER, BUT THAT'S NOT THE TWO ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE OF ONE ANOTHER AND AGAIN WE'RE NOT PAYING 45 MILLION THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE ROAD IS BEING PAID BY A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THAT IF IT'S NOT PAID THEIR THERE HAVE NOT OFFERED THAT TO PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS. RIGHT WHATNOT. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND IN OFFERING THIS BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ASPECT THEY SEE TO IT. BUT WHY WOULD THIS IMPEDE ANY ABILITY TO UM, TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS WHICH I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 4 45 MILLION IS BEING PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS, SO WE'LL JUST CALL THAT WHETHER IT'S THE CITY OF MCKINNEY TAXPAYER. OR THE TAXPAYER AT LARGE. IT IS TAXES THAT ARE BEING USED TO SOLVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PROBLEM. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WE'VE HAD ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, AND WE ASKED THE QUESTION OF CAN WE USE THESE FUNDS FOR OTHER THINGS? WHY HASN'T THAT BEEN ASKED? WHO SAID IT WHO SAID IT HASN'T BEEN ASKED. WHAT'S THE ANSWER, THEN? I MEAN, YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I'M SORRY. MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU TALKING ABOUT SLOWING DOWN TRAFFIC OR CREATING OTHER PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AT GRADE CROSSINGS IS NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE OF DOING A DECK PART RIGHT? I'M SAYING THE $30 MILLION THAT THAT THEY'VE SET OUT HERE AND THEY SAID, HERE'S THAT HERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. MONEY WE WANT TO HELP YOU STITCH THESE THIS COMMUNITY TOGETHER. I'M SAYING, WHY HAVE WE NOT SAID WE HAVE THIS ISSUE ACROSS THE CORRIDOR? NOT JUST HERE THAT THAT THAT'S MY THING IS, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FRUIT. SINCE I GOT ON HERE THAT WE HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS ALONG THIS ENTIRE CORRIDOR THAT NEEDS SOLUTIONS, AND I DON'T SEE THIS AS A SOLUTION TO ANY OF THOSE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IT AS A GOOD DEVELOPMENT AS IT HELPS DOWNTOWN AND HELPS EAST SIDE BUT IT'S NOT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. IT'S NOT STITCHING RE STITCHING A COMMUNITY. IN FACT, IT LEAVES THOSE PLACES SEEING WILL SPEND IT THERE NOW. THEY WOULDN'T SPEND IT WHEN WE NEEDED IT. YEAH I SEE IT VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN THAT. AND AGAIN, I WOULD NOT VENTURE OR I WOULDN'T SAY THAT. THE STAFF HAS NOT BEEN LOOKING AT ALL OF THE OTHER AREAS AND AT GRADE CROSSINGS AND THOSE TYPES OF ENHANCEMENTS AND IF YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT. THAT CONVERSATION HASN'T BEEN ASKED OF TEXT THAT RTC I WOULD ASK IF YOU IF YOU INQUIRED. HAVEN'T BEEN INVITED TO THE MEETINGS. YOU TOLD ME LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD THIS MEETING, YOU SHOULD COME AND I SAID I WILL. AND I DIDN'T GET INVITED. WELL JUST SO YOU KNOW, HIS EMAIL IS AVAILABLE , WHETHER YOU'RE AT THAT MEETING OR NOT, JUST DEFINITELY PHONE WORKS WHETHER YOU'RE AT THAT MEETING, BUT I DON'T HAVE A CHARTER THAT SAYS THAT I'M A SPOKESMAN PERSON FOR THIS COUNCIL. SO LIKE I'M VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT, BUT I HAVE EXPRESSED THAT A YEAR AGO THAT THIS CORRIDOR IS AN ISSUE AND THAT THE DELAYS THAT WE CAUSE AND DOING THIS DON'T SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS ANYWHERE ELSE, AND THOSE PROBLEMS EXIST AGAIN. WE'RE SAYING DELAYS IT. WE DON'T KNOW IT EXISTS AND WE'RE BEING TOLD THEY WON'T EXIST. BUT GARY TO HIS POINT UM, HAS STAFF IGNORED ALL OTHER CROSSINGS IS TO BRING ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT. OR IS THAT JUST BEEN A NOT NOT DISCUSS, NOT WE HAVE. WE HAVE LOOKED AT ENHANCED CROSSINGS AT UM. SMITH STREET AND SMITH TO THE NORTH SMITH STREET TO THE NORTH IS WHERE IT GOES UNDER. IT GOES UNDER AND ALSO STANIFER TRY TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE TWO CORRIDORS. WE ALSO HAVE AN ELM THERE'S ALREADY PROTECTED, PROTECTED SIGNAL APPROACH PROTECTED CROSSING. WE HAVE HAD SOME VERY PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COULD WE DO SOME STAMPED CONCRETE? ALL THOSE OTHER TYPES OF THINGS? JUST TEXT ACTUALLY ON THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN ON HOLD DEVELOPING A SET OF PLANS OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO. THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVEN'T PROGRESSED LATELY, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE YOU FELT THIS IS THEIR MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. I MEAN, HAVE YOU FELT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS THAT THAT IS STOPPED YOU FROM HAVING INTEREST IN LOOKING AT THOSE OTHER THERE'S OTHER AREAS. NO BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE OTHER AREAS BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THE PEDESTRIAN CONCENTRATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE HARDER TO GET TEXT TO DO. THAT'S WHY ADVOCATING FOR TAKING IT OFF SYSTEM CONTROL AND WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS, SO THAT POINT YOU'VE BEEN THAT THERE HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF THOUGHT. YES. SO IT HASN'T BEEN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE[00:50:06]
DISCUSSING THIS. WE'VE IGNORED THAT. CORRECT THANK YOU. UM GARY ON THE 30 MILLION, IF YOU KNOW THIS, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS COMING IN AT THE MCCAIN TAXPAYERS. SOME OF THE THINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. ARE THE UTILITY RELOCATIONS WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH FOR 3 80 REALIGNMENT OF THE BYPASS. I KNOW THAT'S HASN'T BEEN ADJUDICATED YET FULLY AS FAR AS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. BUT ON THIS IS THE 30 MILLION UP FRONT, OR IS IT REIMBURSABLE BECAUSE IT'S REIMBURSABLE THAN IT'S UP TO OUR DEBT CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO ABSORB THIS INITIALLY. I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD EVER GET THAT MONEY WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO TEX DOT AND THEY CONSTRUCT. OH, OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT OUT THE MONEY AT ALL. THEN WE SHOULD HAVE OUR UTILITY RELOCATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO. OKAY WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE DECK PARK AND THERE'S THE 30 MILLION , THEN DOES THAT GO TO BUY THE PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? UH UM , WE ARE MAKING THE CASE THAT HAS NOT BEEN FULLY VETTED THROUGH TEXT ARE THROUGH THE COG IN TECH STOP, BUT WE HAVE MADE THE POSITION THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IN THIS LOCATION AS SUNKEN, THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE TO BE ACQUIRED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE NEEDED TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION, THE TRADITIONAL DECK PARK. I WOULD COULD I COULD ARGUE. NO. WE CAN HAVE THIS CONNECTION A CAP. AND NOT BY THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES AND THAT SHOULD BE BORNE BY THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, NOT BY THE TEXT. I CAN SEE THEY'RE MAKING THAT ARGUMENT. BUT ON THE INVERTED DECK PARK, I THINK YOU CAN TRULY MAKE THE ARGUMENT YOU NEED TO BUY THOSE PROPERTIES AS PART OF THE PROJECT TO CREATE IT. THERE'S 30 MILLION INCLUDE THE NEEDED BUDGET IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE WE HAVE WE HAVE YES. ESTIMATED MONEY IN THE RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION IN THAT $30 MILLION, OKAY? HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY? HONEST THERE'S NOT THAT MANY IN THIS CASE AS TO THEIR TEMPERATURE TO WORK WITH US ON THIS VERSUS, WOULD IT BE ADVERSARIAL STAFF HAS NOT HAD ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IN WHICH OPTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. WE HAVE SENT OUT LETTERS TO EACH OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEFORE THE APRIL MEETING LAST YEAR, THIS TIME WE EMAILED EVERYBODY THAT ATTENDED THE PUBLIC MEETING LAST TIME THAT HAD INDICATED THEY WOULD BE ON A NOTIFICATION LIST. UM WE NOTIFY THE EAST SIDE GROUP OF THIS MEETING TODAY. SO WE'VE TRIED TO GET PEOPLE OUT THERE SO THEY CAN BE ENGAGED. YOU'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION, BUT WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY GONE TO A PROPERTY OWNER. HAVE ANY DETAILED CONVERSATIONS? OKAY I'D LIKE TO SEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THE STRIP CENTER THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET BECAUSE THAT HAS ACTIVE EVIDENTLY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES THERE AND, UM SO I'D LIKE TO GET A BETTER FOCUS ON WHAT THE WILLINGNESS IS THERE TO WORK ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS AND WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE. VERY CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE RATING SYSTEM THAT WE DID FOR THIS? THESE OPTIONS. TWO. I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH. HERE WE BENEFITING. WHO ARE WE SOLVING A PROBLEM FOR WITH THIS PARK. AND AT WHAT COST, SO WE'VE GOT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THAT IS HIGH. BUT. AND WE WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT AROUND THE ORIGINAL.UM HOPE WAS THAT WE WOULD ATTRACT PEOPLE. TO HERE. WE CAN DIFFER ON WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT A PEDESTRIAN THAT HAS DRIVEN INTO DOWNTOWN AND HAS PARKED FOR DINNER. AT ONE OF OUR CITY PARKING LOTS. ARE THEY GETTING? ARE THEY? ARE THEY LEAVING A RESTAURANT AND WALKING ACROSS THIS THING, TOO? TOPS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR THE EVENING.
OR TO OUR CITY HALL PLAZA IF THERE'S AN EVENT ARE WE SOLVING A PROBLEM FOR THAT? ARE THEY MORE LIKELY TO GET INTO A CAR? AND DRIVE ACROSS AND FIND NEW PARKING. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, RIGHT? THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, PERSON. CHOICE I KNOW WITH MY FAMILY, AND I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE SEVEN KIDS, SO GETTING A VEHICLE , LARGE VEHICLE AND GOING FROM ONE SIDE, THE OTHER NOW WALK, SO I'M GOING TO TAKE A WALK MY KIDS ACROSS THEIR RIGHT. THEY NEED TO BURN OFF SOME ENERGY ANYWAY. MY PARENTS, THEY MAY DECIDED TO WALK OVER THE DEPENDING ON THE TEMPERATURE, RIGHT IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, IT'S VERY HOT. THEY MAY SAY. I DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THAT. SO IT'S A VERY INDIVIDUALIZED QUESTION, RIGHT? THE REASON WE RATED THIS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AT VIRGINIA, LOUISIANA HIGH IS BECAUSE WE PROVIDED FOR BOTH OPTIONS INVERTED IN THE TRADITIONAL DECK PART, WE PROVIDED A CROSSING WHERE THEY
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DID NOT HAVE TO CROSS VEHICLE TRAFFIC. SO THEY HAD A HUGE OVER THE DECK PARK OR THEY COULD GO DOWN AND UNDERNEATH RIGHT, THE INVERTED DECK PARTY OF TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. YOU CAN GO TO PROTECTED SIGNAL OR GO DOWN UNDERNEATH. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THAT WE BROUGHT ALL THE PEOPLE TO THAT LOCATION, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE CROSSING. IT IS EVALUATING THE SAFETY OF THAT CROSSING. ASK A QUESTION. UM. ARE YOU STILL IN THE ALTERNATIVE NUMBER TWO? WOULD WE STILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE CROSSWALKS ACROSS HIGHWAY FIVE AT THE UPPER LEVEL? IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PARK. CROSSING. BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SKETCHES, AND THEY SHOW STOPLIGHTS THERE. WELL WE WOULD HAVE THE SIGNALS THERE IS THERE TO FIRST SORT EIGHT. THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. MY ASSUMPTION IS YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND PUT THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS THEIR TRADITIONAL CROSSWALK BECAUSE SOME SOME PEOPLE MAY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO GO UNDERNEATH. IT MAY BE A LITTLE QUICKER JUST TO GO AND USE THAT PROTECTED CROSSING. COULD YOU NOT DO THAT ? I GUESS MAYBE, BUT I WOULD THINK YOU PROBABLY WOULD. JUST ON SAFETY ASPECTS. YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY TRYING TO CROSS ON THEIR OWN. PUT THAT PRODUCTIVE CROSSING IN THERE TO TAKE AWAY FROM MR BELLOWS POINT THAT JUST OCCURRED TO ME. THANK YOU. EMPRESS CAN WE LOOK AT THE SURVEYS THAT WERE. I THINK IT'S THE SECOND ATTACHMENTS ON THE AGENDA. QUESTION. FOR IF YOU GO DOWN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT'S ON, BUT IT'S QUESTIONED FOR SO IT'S A NUMBER OF PAGES DOWN THERE. BACK UP WE GO. THIS IS ASKING, YOU KNOW. WHAT IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS ISN'T EXCLUSIVE. THEY COULD ANSWER WHATEVER THEY WANT. BUT CROSSWALK SAFETY I MEAN, WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU FEEL SAFE? TO GET ACROSS HIGHWAY FIVE AND OBVIOUSLY. WHAT FACTORS DO YOU THINK, PREVENT SAFE AND EFFICIENT CROSSING BETWEEN HIGHWAY FIVE. SO HIGHWAY.OBVIOUSLY. THE SAFETY OF THE CROSSWALK THERE. THE DISTANCE OF THE CROSSWALK, THE VISIBILITY THAT'S PROVIDED IN THAT AREA. THE SPEEDS IN THAT AREA. THE VOLUME OF VEHICLES IN THAT AREA ARE ALL THINGS THAT PREVENT PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO DO THAT TODAY. CORRECT CHALLENGES THERE . HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE WE HOPING TO SOLVE WITH HIGHWAY FIVE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEORETICALLY SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. FOR 3 99 IMPROVEMENTS THAT MOVE TRAFFIC AROUND. I MEAN, SO. YOU HAVE THE CROSSWALK. THERE YOU HAVE THE PRODUCTIVE CROSSING THERE. IT'S THAT VEHICULAR VOLUME. IT'S THE VISUAL AESTHETIC. I THINK PARTLY PEOPLE DON'T FEEL SAFE THERE BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK RAMPS ARE ALL COMPLETED. I THINK IT STARTS TO FEEL A LITTLE DIFFERENT. ONCE THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOUISIANA PROJECTS ARE DONE, BUT RAISED MEDIAN ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE. HELPS YOU FEEL A LITTLE SAFE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CROSS HIS FAR YOU HAVE THIS FOR 3. 99 LIKE YOU MENTIONED ALSO MOVES TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THIS CORRIDOR. SO YOU KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE TRUCKS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE THROUGH TRAFFIC. THEY'RE GOING TO GET OUT. AND YOU KNOW IF I'M COMING DOWN FROM OUT EAST SOMEWHERE, AND I'M TRYING TO GO SOUTH ON 1, 21 OR 75. I HOP ON THAT THAT BYPASS FOR 3 99 SOONER AND I DONT COMING OVER 3 80 DOWN FIVE I THINK WE START TO REMOVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THE DESIGN OF THE MEDIANS. I THINK ONCE WE TAKE IT OFF SYSTEM WE DO SOME LANDSCAPING ALONG THE CORRIDOR HELPS GIVE IT A DIFFERENT CONTEXT THAN THIS WIDE OPEN ROADWAY THAT'S THERE TODAY. AND SO WE START TO SOLVE SOME OF THOSE, UM YOU KNOW AGAIN. SOME OF THE OPINIONS ARE PERSONAL. AND SO YOU YOU KNOW WHAT I FEEL IS SAFE. SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT NOT I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW? I GUESS SOMEONE MAKING THAT DECISION TO WALK ACROSS BECAUSE WE ASKED THAT QUESTION TO QUESTIONS DOWN EMPRESS OF INDIA. QUESTION SIX. I WANTED TO POINT OUT ON THAT QUESTION THAT WE JUST ASKED. THERE WERE 1100 RESPONDENTS, ALMOST 1200 RESPONDENTS. THIS ONE. WE ASKED WHICH METHOD DO YOU USE TO CROSS IT TODAY? EVERY 1000 PEOPLE RESPOND ANSWERED AND OVERWHELMING MAJORITY 837 OF THEM, SAID AUTOMOBILE SO AND IF JUST. TRYING TO GET TO MY POINT HERE. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OR 1000. PEOPLE ANSWERED THIS QUESTION. UM THOSE PEOPLE COULD BE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, RIGHT? THE SURVEY SHOWS THAT WHERE THEY'RE FROM HERE AND THERE, MAKING THEIR ANSWERING
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THAT SURVEY BASED ON CURRENTLY. YEAH WITHOUT I MEAN NOTHING'S CHANGED TO DYNAMIC CHANGE NINE BECAUSE IT ANSWERS WHAT I ASK YOU. I THINK IT'S VERY TELLING. EMPRESS, IF WE CAN GO TO QUESTION NINE. AGAIN 1000 PEOPLE HAVE ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS. WOULD ANY OF THESE OPTIONS PRESENTED ENCOURAGING ACROSS HIGHWAY 55 FT OR BY BICYCLE? 80% SAID. YES LOOK HOW MANY RESPONDENTS ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. 100. 100 PEOPLE ANSWER 1000 PEOPLE SKIPPED IT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE WALKING ACROSS THIS HIGHWAY. THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A OH, IT'S PRETTY. IT'S NICE LOOKING LIKE THE DECK PARK. I LIKE CLYDE WARREN, BUT ULTIMATELY I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE USER OF THIS AND SO WERE WE HAVE EIGHT QUESTIONS IN A ROW.WE HAD 1000 PEOPLE GIVE THEIR OPINION. THEN WE GET TO THIS QUESTION, AND MOST OF THEM ARE JUST KIND OF MAYBE I'D LIKE TO INTERJECT THAT. I MEAN, FIRST, LET ME MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. MY PREMISE IS NOT SOLELY THIS IS NEVER A I DIDN'T COME TO THIS THINKING. OH MY GOSH. WE GOT A HUGE PROBLEM. HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO CROSS THE STREET? LET'S DO A DECK PARK TO CREATE A BETTER WAY TO CROSS. THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT. UM CERTAINLY EVERY ENHANCEMENT THAT WE DO BETTORS THAT ENCOURAGES MORE USE PEDESTRIAN WISE WHEN WE WERE ABOUT TO HAVE A BIG MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT DONE BY BY THE WHAT'S HIS NAME? I'M SORRY, ROBERT SHAW. ROBERT CHILD WILL HAVE PEOPLE LIVING RIGHT THERE ON THE EDGE OF HIGHWAY FIVE. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEY WILL VIEW THIS AS SOMETHING PRETTY SPECTACULAR IN THEIR DAY TO DAY LIFE WALKING FROM THE APARTMENTS TO SAY, A LAYERED OR SOME OTHER RESTAURANT ON THE SQUARE. I DON'T. IT'S NEVER BEEN JUST ABOUT THEY ABOUT A PROBLEM. YOU KEEP REFERRING TO WHAT PROBLEM? ARE WE SOLVING? WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO A LEGACY TO DO. A LEGACY PROJECT FUNDED 100% BY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. UM THAT SEES THE VALUE IN IT THAT WOULD CREATE AGAIN A LEGACY PROJECT WITH A HUGE AMENITY IN OUR IN OUR DOWNTOWN THAT WE ARE JUST NOW EMBARKING ON A REVITALIZATION OF WHERE, ALTHOUGH TODAY IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT ANSWER. IF YOU'RE ASKED ABOUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CROSS HOW WE FIVE. MANY PEOPLE AREN'T THINKING IN TERMS OF THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE LIVING IN THE NEWLY DEVELOPED EAST SIDE OR ALL THE PEOPLE WILL BE LIVING IN THE SHADOW DEVELOPMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE OR ALL THE RESTAURANTS IN THE CITY HALL THAT WILL BE THERE SO YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE'S A LOT. THAT'S NOT THERE THAT WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO KIND OF ENVISION. I GUESS IN MY IN MY BUSINESS AND DEVELOPING AND TAKING 46 ACRES OF DIRT AND TURNING INTO AN ADRIATIC A. I KIND OF SEE THINGS DEVELOPED AND TRY TO ENVISION WHAT LIFE MIGHT LOOK LIKE AFTER VERSUS IF I WAS JUST ASKING IMAGINE IF I ASKED A LOT OF PEOPLE THOSE SAME QUESTIONS SHOWING THEM 46 ACRES OF DIRT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GOT A DIFFERENT ANSWER THAN I GET TODAY WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND AMENITIES IN PLACE, SO MY LIFE IS MY WORLD. MY LIFE IS CENTERED AROUND KIND OF SEEING THESE THINGS FINISHED OUT AND? AND? AND HOW DOES LIFE LIVE? HOW DO PEOPLE LIVE AT THAT STAGE? UM POST DEVELOPMENT POST AMENITY, POST DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR ENCOURAGE BEHAVIORS, ENCOURAGED BY ENHANCEMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I SEE IT VERY DIFFERENTLY, AND IT'S NEVER BEEN STRICTLY ABOUT A AT ALL MATTER OF FACT ABOUT JUST A SOLVING A PROBLEM OF CROSSING THE ROAD. BUT BUT I WILL. POINT OUT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS CONNECTS THE COMMUNITY AND RE STITCHES OF A SCAR THAT GOES THROUGH HERE AND ITS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.
BUT IT'S NOT THAT AND I JUST LIKE IN TERMS OF THAT. IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, THAT IS SOLVING A PROBLEM BECAUSE THERE IS A PROBLEM THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, AND THAT IS HIGHWAY FIVE. WE NEED TOOLS TO SOLVE IT. BUT I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, WHICH IS NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE AND CULMINATE AND HAVING IT BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. I LISTEN I GET THAT YOU DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY. ELATED THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. BUT UM OUT OF THE DEAL, WE GET AGAIN A LEGACY PROJECT THAT THAT REALLY BRINGS TOGETHER TWO SIDES OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CREATING THIS DECK, PART FROM SPUR 3 99 UP TO 3 80. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, TOO. I'D LOVE THAT. WE DON'T TALK ABOUT 20 BILLION PROJECT I WANT A. I WANT WHAT TEXT DOT HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE ARE GETTING A BETTER CORRIDOR
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THAT'S PROTECTIVE OF PEDESTRIANS THAT SLOWS TRAFFIC DOWN THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR, WHICH WE'RE GETTING. I WANT TO ACCELERATE THAT TO GET IT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, AND I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THOSE THOSE OUTCOMES SO THAT WE HAVE BETTER PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS THROUGHOUT THIS CORRIDOR, AND NOT JUST HERE AND I WHILE HERE'S THE GREAT STATE, AND ALL THAT IS AVAILABLE, I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, AND I GET THAT. BUT THERE'S NOT $30 MILLION OUT THERE SITTING AROUND FOR THE NEXT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PROJECT.WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT OVER C I. P DOLLARS TO FIX THE INTERSECTION OF ALMOND HIGHWAY FIVE AND STANDARD FOR AND HIGHWAY FIVE AND SHORT AND HIGHWAY FIVE, AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE'LL GET TO THOSE EVENTUALLY AFTER WE GET THIS ROADWAY FROM FROM TEXT OUT , AND SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS IS COMING RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, AND THERE'S THESE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THESE THESE OTHER WAYS THAT WE IMPROVE THIS CORRIDOR AND STITCHED THIS COMMUNITY TOGETHER. COMING THEY ARE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS TOOL FOR THOSE, AND A GIFT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE MUTUALLY. DIDN'T HAVE THAT TOOL BEFORE. I MEAN, WE HAVE NO DIFFERENT TOOLS FOR THAT THAN WE DID. THEN THAN WE DO TODAY. YEAH I GUESS I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU ACT LIKE IF YOU DO THIS PARK WELL, THEN THERE'S NO MONEY MONEY TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU. WE DO THIS PARK. WE UM WE DO TAP THE A LOT OF THE RESOURCES BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN WE GO ASKING FOR MONEY FOR HIGHWAY FIVE, AND THEY SAY WE JUST GAVE YOU $30 MILLION FOR HIGHWAY FIVE. HOLD OFF.
WE'VE GOT OTHER PRIORITIES. LET'S LET'S CLARIFY ONE THING. COG IS GIVING US THE MONEY. NOT TEXT THAT SO WE HAVEN'T WE'RE NOT GETTING A PENNY. WE'RE NOT GETTING A PENNY FROM TECH START FOR THIS PROJECT. SO THE SOURCE OF FUNDS THOUGH IT'S AGAIN, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING CLEAR DISCUSSION, LET'S HAVE IT CLEAR AND DELINEATE BECAUSE YOU SAY WE CAN'T GO BACK TO TEXT THAT. AND THEY SAY, BECAUSE THEY'LL SAY THAT WE JUST GAVE YOU 30. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TEXTILE THOUGHT I SAID COG, AND I'M MEANT COG BECAUSE I'M I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE THE FLEXIBLE FUND PROVIDER IN A LOT OF THIS, THAT HELPS US GET PROJECTS DONE. AND I GUESS IF WE'RE SITTING HERE, SAYING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE HERE THAN WHEN WE GO BACK, AND WE SAY WE REALLY NEED THESE CORRIDORS THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR. IMPROVED FOR PEDESTRIANS. WE'RE GONNA GET A BIG STRUGGLE, THE SHOULDERS THAT SAYS WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WE ADDRESS THAT. THAT'S WHAT THAT 30 MILLION WAS FOR. AND WE HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION. I HAVE BECAUSE NO ONE HAS SHRUGGED THEIR SHOULDERS TO ME FOR US TALKING ABOUT THOSE OTHER PROJECTS, BUT PROBLEMS THAT ARE NOT THERE YET. AND IF THEY EVER WOULD LIKE TO GET TO HIM. I WANT TO GET TO THE TECH START ISSUE.
I WANT TEXT TO IMPROVE THIS PERMISSION TO GO TO ANY MEETING . OH, I'M SAYING THAT YOU TEST OUT ON THESE MEETINGS BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT INVITED BECAUSE YOU JUST DIDN'T GO. OH THERE'S A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH MICHAEL MORRIS THAT I'M NOT INVITED TO. THERE ARE A LOT OF PHONE CALLS THAT I DON'T GET TO MAKE AND THERE'S A LOT OF PHONE AND YOU CAN CALL YOU CAN TALK. YOU CAN BUT YOU CHOOSE NOT TO. THIS IS NOT A CHOICE RADIO. PLEASE DON'T MAKE THIS ABOUT. I'M LAZY AND I DIDN'T CALL. THE GUY ASKED SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAKE THIS A PRIORITY FOR THIS COUNSEL IN THIS CITY AND I HAVE GOTTEN BUT SEE, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE GOT NOWHERE. I THINK THAT WE HAVE STAFF THAT HAS SAID IN A SUGGESTIVE AND AGAIN TODAY FOR THE FOR THE EVERY TIME WE'VE BEEN IN THE MEETINGS, TALKED ABOUT WANTING TO TAKE THIS OFF SO WE CAN CONTROL ALL THOSE OUTCOMES. WHY ARE WE? WHY ARE WE SAYING THAT WE'RE ASKING, BUT STAFFS NOT DELIVERING. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. IT IS AFTER WE DO THIS, AND IT IS WE DON'T KNOW THE TIMING CONSEQUENCES OF IT. SO TO SAY THAT THERE ISN'T WE DON'T BUT WE CAN ASK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE IN CHARGE AND DO BILLIONS OF BILLIONS OF BILLIONS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PROJECTS AND WE CAN TAKE THEIR WORD. WE CAN TAKE ONE OF OURS AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THEM.
MORE THAN YOURSELF FOR ME, IT MAY BUT I'M THAT'S WHERE MY POINT IS, AND I THINK IT IS A VALID POINT. I DON'T THINK IT'S A POINT THAT SHOULD BE DISMISSED THAT BETWEEN USING FUNDS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO AGAIN TO WALKING INTO A TIMING PROCESS THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL SLOW IT DOWN. TO A NUMBER OF OTHER FACTORS THAT COMMUNICATE TO A COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE PRIORITIZED THIS. AND WE'LL GET TO YOU WHEN WE GET TO IT. IT IS IT IS A IS A COMMUNICATION THAT WE MAKE A LOT OF TIMES AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S RIGHT. BUT WHEN WE IMPROVE WHEN WE IMPROVE LOUISIANA IN GREENVILLE, TO MURRAY STREET, AND THEN WE STOPPED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST A YEAR AND I KNOW IT'S ON THAT SIP PROJECT TO DO. JUST AS SOON AS WE GET TO IT. IT'S A COMMUNICATION THING THAT WE DO A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND I'M SAYING THAT THOSE THINGS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE CONSEQUENTIAL IN THIS THEY MAY BE ABLE TO WORK AROUND, BUT THEY
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ARE WHAT DRIVES ME TO SAY. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO FROM AN EXPENSE STANDPOINT , I DON'T THINK IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, IT SOLVES A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE DEALING WITH IT. I THINK IT POTENTIALLY CREATES A LOT OF OTHER NEW PROBLEMS. AND IT DELAYS A LOT OF THE SOLUTIONS WE NEED, AND THAT'S ALL THE POINT. I WANT TO MAKE YOUR POINT. MY POINT IS THAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE A BETTER GRASP ON ON WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE DELAYED OR NOT MUCH BETTER THAN ME MUCH BETTER THAN YOU HAVE SAID THAT THEY SHOULD NOT WILL NOT BE A DELAY. NO JUST LET ME FINISH THAT THEY HAVEN'T SAID THERE WON'T BE A DELAY. THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD WORK TO PREVENT A DELAY. BUT THAT IS THEIR ESTIMATION IS THERE WILL NOT BE A DELAY, BUT BUT LET'S LET'S MOVE FROM THAT. TO SAY THAT WE'RE SIGNALING TO THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT NOT DO THE OTHER. WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE OTHER. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT NOT DONE THE OTHER. WE WERE SITTING AT THE AT THE READY FOR TEXT TO BEGIN.WE'RE TALKING AND HAVE BEEN TALKING AND STAFFS LOOKED AT TAKING THAT PORTION OFFLINE TO ACTUALLY HAVE FULL CONTROL OF IT. SO AGAIN, WE I THINK WE BOTH MET OUR POINTS AT THE END OF THE DAY. YOU HAVE MADE IT CLEAR YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. I LOOK AT THIS AND I THINK WHAT WILL OUR WHAT WILL DOWNTOWN AND THE ALL THE EFFORT WE PUT INTO A CATALYST ENVIRONMENT ACROSS THE HIGHWAY THAT THEY COWS PROJECTS THAT WE'VE INVESTED IN AND WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE AND I LOOK AT THIS AS SOMETHING THAT 10 YEARS FROM NOW WHAT WHAT HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED THAT WE DO SOMETHING THAT WAS SPECIAL, DIFFERENT LEGACY REALLY CREATED . WE ALL IN THIS MORE THAN JUST ABOUT CROSSING HERE. WE ALL BRAG ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN WHEN YOU ASK ANYBODY IN THE CITY. WHAT'S THE THING YOU LIKE MOST ABOUT DOWNTOWN 99% OF THE TIME YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT CITY MCKINNEY 99% OF THE TIME YOU GET DOWNTOWN, HISTORIC DOWNTOWN SQUARE DOWNTOWN. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PROJECT WHEN I STARTED THIS FIVE YEARS AGO. IT WAS ABOUT HOW CAN WE HOW CAN WE EXPAND OUR DOWNTOWN FOOTPRINT IN A VERY CREATIVE WAY? IN A WAY THAT WASN'T HAVING TO BE MITIGATED BY A HIGHWAY GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF IT? HOW DO WE EXTEND OUR FOOT FOR PRINT FROM THE SQUARE WE HAVE NOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE DOING. A LOT OF BUSINESSES HAVE OPENED UP THE SQUARE AND THEY FAIL AND WHATNOT. I WOULD TELL YOU A LOT OF THAT, FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT IS AS YOU GET CLOSER TO HIGHWAY FIVE. IT'S A DIFFERENT FEEL FROM THE COMMUNITY. HOW CAN WE CHANGE THAT? WELL, WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS PROJECT LIKE THIS.
THAT IS TRANSFORMATIVE. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPEN AND TAKE A DIFFERENT TURN. SO I LOOK AT THIS AS A MUCH MORE THAN JUST I'VE NEVER APPROACHED THIS FROM WHAT PROBLEM AM I TRYING TO SOLVE? ON CROSSING HIGHWAY FIVE. THOSE THINGS WE'VE GIVEN MORE OPTIONS FOR SURE, WE HAVE CREATED A BETTER WALK ABILITY SCENARIO FOR ALL THOSE THAT LIVE FOR SURE, BUT IT'S MUCH, MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT. AND IT TAKES SOME VISION. IT TAKES SOME. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO BE A LITTLE CREATIVE AND THINK IT THROUGH AND THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE ACHIEVED AT THE END OF THE DAY. BY DOING THIS AND LOOK AT OUR DOWNTOWN FOOTPRINT AND HOW WE MIGHT VERY WELL EXPANDED FROM SQUARE ALL THE WAY TO OLD SETTLERS. THAT'S HOW I VIEW THIS SO AGAIN. WE'RE BOTH ONE VOICE. SO WHY DON'T WE GET THE OTHER VOICES AND SEE RIGHT NOW? WE'VE GOT TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF. AND ON ON WHICH WAY TO GO. THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT.
BECAUSE I'M I'M HEARING THE DISCUSSION. AND IN ALL HONESTY, I UNDERSTAND JUSTICE PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR. I REALLY WISH WE HADN'T LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT WHERE WE INCLUDED THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS AS PART OF A SINGULAR PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND I KNOW FUNDING WISE. THERE ARE DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT WE WOULD TARGET. UM BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY WORSEN. PEDESTRIAN CROSSING SOUTH OF THIS INVERTED TECH. UM WE'VE GOT NO ANALYSIS ON THAT WE'VE GOTTEN DESIGN CONCEPTS REALLY ON THAT QUITE YET. WE HAVEN'T IF WE DIDN'T DO THE PARK EITHER. WE WILL BE WE DO THAT, AS WE LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AS A WHOLE. WE'VE GOT IT. WE'VE GOT TO DETERMINE IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THIS ROAD TO DETERMINE HOW WE I UNDERSTAND. I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, HE DOESN'T WANT TO SEE THIS SINGULAR PROJECT DONE WITHOUT REALLY ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS. MY QUESTION IS. WHAT IS THE FUNDING? WHAT WOULD IT COST US TO REALLY LOOK AT THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT THIS POINT? SO THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS WILL BE IMPROVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, AND THIS IS THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR. IF WE WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN FOR ME, PLEASE. THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS ARE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT. I GUESS IT'S GOING FROM, UM, YOU KNOW. 3 99, AND WE'RE HIGHWAY FIVE INTERSECTS DOWN BY THE BATCH PLANTS ALL THE WAY TO NORTH OF THREE EIGHTIES. ALL THESE INTERSECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE IMPROVED. IMPROVED IN WHAT WAY? SO THERE WILL BE A, UM.
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LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ELEMENT ER SECTION DRAINAGE PROBLEM THERE TODAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHEN IT RAINS THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER PONDS BADLY, RIGHT? SO IF YOUR DAYS AFTER YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WALK THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE'S JUST STILL STANDING WATER THERE, SO WE GOT DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.THAT'S ONE ASPECT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A RAISED MEDIAN ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROJECT, RIGHT? SO NO MORE TWO WAY LEFT TURN LANE SO AT THE INTERSECTION BECAUSE OF THE LEFT TURN LANES YOU HAVE THERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A SMALL LITTLE REFUGEE AREA THAT YOU WILL YOU CAN INCORPORATE INTO THAT CROSSING. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A STUDENT TO STAGE CROSSING THEY COULD OR , YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WILL JUST GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS. SO THOSE MEDIUMS LANDSCAPED OR THEY CURRENT PROJECT WOULD BE NO. NO LANDSCAPING. WE WOULD LOOK FOR LIKE A GREEN RIBBON PROJECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THROUGH TEXT . WHERE THEY DO SOME, UM, DO LANDSCAPING AND WE JUST DID THAT ON THE U. S. 75 AT 3 80 PROJECT , RIGHT? VIRGINIA TECH STOCK JUST WENT OUT AND PUT MEDIANS GOING INTO PRINCETON OF 3 80. ARE WE GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT? WHEN THIS GETS CONSTRUCTED, WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH ANOTHER PROJECT TO DO SOMETHING OTHERWISE, BUT THAT IS THERE BARE MINIMUM, RIGHT? SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WE WANT TO TRY TO INCLUDE SOMETHING IT WOULD BE EIGHT. THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR US TO DO THAT, AFTER THE FACT SO EVEN THE PARK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS LOCATION. WE'RE DOING THAT AS A SEPARATE PROJECT BECAUSE TEXT DOESN'T BUILD PARKS RIGHT? THAT PART CUT DESIGN WOULD INCLUDE THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS UP ON THE ROAD AND THE LANDSCAPING RIGHT, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT ON THESE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT AS WELL WHERE WE WANT TO DO THAT ENHANCEMENT. SO WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND WE, UM EARLY ON , WE PRODUCED A COUPLE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS OF WHAT THESE ENHANCED CROSSINGS COULD LOOK LIKE. IT'S NOT LIKE VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA OUT TO THE WEST OF THE SQUARE, WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO PUT THE BUMP OUTS WITH THE ON STREET PARKING TECH STARTS NOT GOING TO ALLOW US TO DO THAT. BUT CAN WE DO SOME OTHER THINGS? CAN WE DO SOME STAMPED CONCRETE? CAN WE DO ? UM OTHER AESTHETIC THINGS TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THIS IS WHERE THE CROSSING IS MORE RELEVANT, MORE ATTENTIVE, DRAWS MORE ATTENTION TO IT. FOR THE DRIVER'S PERSPECTIVE. WE KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE CROSSING. WE DO HAVE LARGE, LARGE STRETCHES OF ROAD RIGHT NOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST CROSSING BLOCK WHEREVER THEY FEEL LIKE IT. ALL DAY EVERY DAY ALL DAY EVERY DAY ALL DAY AND I DON'T KNOW OTHER THAN THE MEDIAN IS GONNA PROVIDE A SPOT FOR THEM TO WAIT IN THE MIDDLE AND HAVE A SAFE, MORE SAFE, SAFER CROSSING.
THERE'S SOME BEHAVIORS OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY SAFE BY CROSSING WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A PROTECTED CROSSING. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PROTECTED CROSSINGS. FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR. IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE . TYPICAL CORRIDOR WILL HAVE A MEDIUM IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE WHOLE QUARTER WILL HAVE A MEDIUM THOUGH YES, CROSSES TYPICALLY OCCUR. WHERE WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL RESOURCE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF A RESIDENTIAL HOMES, SO THEY HAPPEN. CLOSE TO THE $2 GENERAL'S ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH END. THAT ARE FLANKED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET BY HOUSING AUTHORITY APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAPPENED AT, UM UH, BY L. RANCHO. WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORE AND BACK AND FORTH AND THEY HAPPEN AT THE HANDY MART. THAT'S YOU KNOW, HALFWAY DOWN JUST PAST SHORT SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA. BUT SOME OF THOSE AREN'T OUR INTERSECTION LOCATIONS, RIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE MID BLOCK. RIGHT UM, AND AS WE AS WE PUT THAT MEDIA AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS MEDIAN BREAKS RIGHT, THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE AS MANY OPENINGS. WE'RE HOPING TO FORCE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, SIMILAR LOCATIONS THAT NOW WARRANT ACROSS INSTALLATION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THAT IS AN AFTER ACTION? NO, UM WITH THE CURRENT TAX STOP PROJECT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET US PUT A SIGNAL IN IF IT'S NOT WARRANTED. AND SO WE WOULD KNOW, THEN BE ABLE TO ONCE WE HAVE THAT THOSE THE BEHAVIOR SHIFT TRAVEL PATTERNS WILL BE ABLE TO PUT IN TRAFFIC SIGNALS. HELP PUT SOME PRODUCTIVE CROSSINGS IN AS WELL. WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THOSE RIGHT NOW? THE TWO LOCATIONS THAT YOU KNOW , IN MY TENURE OF THE CITY WE'VE HEARD THE MOST ABOUT SMITH AND THEN ANOTHER ONE AT STANFORD. SO THAT YOU HAVE L. TENNESSEE ALBUM HAVE STANDARD FOR LOUISIANA AND VIRGINIA, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE AT SMITH AND THEN ONE OF 3 80. SO TRYING TO BLOCK BROCK BREAK THAT CORRIDOR DOWN INTO SOME SEGMENTS, RIGHT, BUT WHEN IT'S NOT CONVENIENT, MOST PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO WALK RIGHT ACROSS. HOW MANY PEDESTRIAN INCIDENTS DO WE HAVE ON AVERAGE A YEAR? YOU KNOW THEY ARE UM. NOT GREAT NUMBERS THAT I CAN FIND. YOU'VE YOU'VE EMAILED ME A COUPLE OF TIMES. HEY, THERE WAS A PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENT AND I CAN'T FIND A POLICE REPORT OF THAT ACCIDENT. SO IT'S TOUGH FOR
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ME TO GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE NUMBER. I'D SAY IN THE DATA THAT YOU'VE SENT ME THE TEXTILE ACCUMULATES. IT'S TYPICALLY ABOUT FIVE A YEAR, NOT RANGE LAST FIVE YEARS OR MAYBE FOUR YEAR. I THINK IT WAS 20 OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUT I WOULD SAY THE REAL NUMBERS WILL BE HIGHER.AND WE DID HAVE A DEATH IN THE CORRIDOR IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS. YEAH. HMM. UM I'M GONNA TRY TO MOVE THIS ALONG A LITTLE BIT. UM. IF I COULD FAST FORWARD THE CALENDAR 25 YEARS, I'LL BE GLAD WE DID THIS. YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A GOOD THING. I THINK THE EAST SIDE IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT. I'M SORRY ABOUT MY LARYNGITIS IS KIND OF KICKING BACK IN. UM SO I LIKE IT. I WANT TO BE REAL CAREFUL. ON HOW WE DO IT. I'M GLAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO UP FRONT THE MONEY. I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT. WHAT WHAT THE EXISTING BUSINESSES TEMPERATURE IS TO THIS. I HAVE A LARGE APPETITE TO HELP WITH THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS. AND AS WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING, I'M PARTICULARLY THINKING ABOUT ELM BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED. BUT THERE'S AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NOT FAR ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIGHWAY FIVE. FINCH THAT PROBABLY HAS KIDS COMING OVER FROM THAT SIDE, SO I KNOW WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING HERE. BUT UM IN SHORT, I LIKE THE INVERTED. I HAVE NO APPETITE TO GO WITH THE OVER DECK PARK. UM I WOULD LIKE TO INVESTIGATE THE INVERTED MORE. AND UH, THE MAIN CONCERNS I HAVE ARE WANT TO SEE HOW THE MONEY FLOWS AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE YOU KNOW WHAT THE OPTICS ARE IN THIS BUSINESS IS THAT WE BE IMPACTING. UM I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. UH UM. IT'S NOT OFTEN YOU GET $30 MILLION TO HELP YOU FUND A PROJECT. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS A LONG TIME. I DON'T WANT THAT MONEY TO GO AWAY. UM THEY SEEM TO THINK IN HIS BODY INTO THE IDEA OF DOING THE DECK PARK. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MONEY WOULD GO IF THAT DECK PARK WASN'T THERE, THAT MONEY WOULD PROBABLY GO AWAY IN MY OPINION. UM A LOT OF TIMES I'VE SEEN IT. QUITE A FEW TIMES WHERE THEY YOU KNOW THAT PROJECT GOES AWAY SOME OTHER PROJECT IN SOME OTHER PART OF THE CANADA STATE. TAKES PRECEDENT AND THEY MOVE IT. ALREADY IN THIS CASE, THE COUNTY SO. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, ANYWAY. IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, IN TEXT NOT JUST DOES NORMAL ROAD. IT'S JUST GONNA BE A STANDARD DRIVE. THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING NEW OR COOL OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND SO I THINK IT PROVIDES THINGS THAT CONNECT THE TWO SIDES OF THE CITY, EAST AND WEST. UM IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE SOME, UM SOME WALK ABILITY. IT'S GOING TO CREATE SOME INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO THINK IT'S COOL. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, AND, UM ALL ON BOARD FOR THIS, I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER ISSUES, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE NEED, UH TOWARD LOOK AT THOSE OTHER INTERSECTIONS ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE. ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY. NO ONE. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STITCHING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER IF ANYONE IS OUT THERE THINKING THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THIS ONE PARK IN THIS ONE AREA AND STITCHING THIS ONE AREA TOGETHER IS WHAT WHAT IT'S ABOUT. IT'S NOT LOOKING AHEAD 20 YEARS. I'M LOOKING AHEAD. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT? WE ALL WALKED. WE ALL GO TO PLACES LIKE PEARL STREET AND SAN ANTONIO OR OTHER AREAS OR CLYDE WARREN AND WE SEE THAT COOLNESS. WE SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED AROUND IT. IT DIDN'T DIDN'T HAPPEN. BY CHANCE . IT HAPPENED BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS PUT IN PLACE. DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED THAT DEVELOPMENT SPIDERWEBS OUT OVER TIME. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT BRINGS ALL OF THAT COMMUNITY AND AGAIN TYING OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. UM BUT TO THE POINT THAT JUSTIN MADE EARLIER AND JUST I'VE NEVER FELT THE CROSSWALKS WORKS LUCID BROTHER IMPROVEMENTS , AND IF IT'S SEEMED LIKE THAT, WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO, UH, GARY . EVERYONE I THINK UP HERE SIT IS AN AGREEMENT ON THE CROSSWALK ENHANCEMENTS AND WHATNOT. THOSE ARE HIGH PRIORITY AS WELL AND ARE CONCURRENT PROJECTS WITH THIS IT'S MAKING OBSERVATION THAT. UP UNTIL TODAY. WE HAVE ALWAYS DISCOURAGED PEOPLE HANGING OUT UNDER BRIDGES HERE IN MCKINNEY AH, AND. I THOUGHT WE WERE HERE TO DISCUSS OPTION
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12 OR THREE OR OPTION FOR, ACCORDING TO MR BELLER OF DO NOTHING. IF I LOOK AT THIS AND LIGHT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, WHICH IS BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND BRIDGING THE GAP HIGHWAY FIVE AS WELL AS SERVING PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. OBVIOUSLY OPTION NUMBER ONE IS SUPERIOR. BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE, WHETHER YOU GO DOWNSTAIRS AND UPSTAIRS ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, YOU WALK ACROSS SOME GREEN HOPEFULLY, VERY BEAUTIFUL SPACE, AND THERE'S NOT A CHOICE FOR A PEDESTRIAN MAKE. I THINK IT'S SUPERIOR ACOUSTICALLY BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT BE HANGING OUT UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT PURELY FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, WE SHOULD EITHER DO OPTION THREE OR OPTION FOUR. UH WHAT CONCERNS ME MOST ABOUT OPTION NUMBER TWO. ALRIGHT IS THAT I DON'T THINK IT HAS THE USABILITY. UH, THAT. OTHER PARTS WOULD HAVE. AND IF I WERE TO HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR A LITTLE CHILD, I HAD CHEESE BETWEEN BONNIE WANK OR THE PARK UNDERNEATH HIGHWAY FIVE. I'M PROBABLY GONNA GO TO BONNIE WINK PARK. AH I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PEDESTRIANS ARE GOING TO WALK DOWNSTAIRS. GO UNDERNEATH, GO THROUGH THE PARK AND THEN WALK BACK UPSTAIRS ON THE OTHER SIDE. I'M CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO RUN ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, AND THAT'S DANGEROUS FOR BOTH THE MOTORISTS AND PEDESTRIANS. UM. IN THAT REGARD. UH, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS PROJECT JUST BECAUSE IT'S HARD DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD BACK AWAY FROM IT. IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING, WE SHOULD DO IT RIGHT? MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT OPTION NUMBER. TWO IS THAT IT TURNS OUT. TO BE AN UNUSABLE SPACE THAT IT'S TOO NOISY FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WALKING UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE AT NIGHT OR DURING THE DAY AND THAT IT BECOMES MCKINNEY'S MONEY PIT AND RATHER THAN BEING AN ICON AND A SOURCE OF BEAUTY AND PRIDE FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. BUT IT'S A SORE SPOT. AND EVERYBODY SAYS WELL, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BUILT THAT BECAUSE IT WAS NOTHING BUT THE MONEY PIT AND YOU KNEW PEOPLE WOULDN'T HANG OUT IN THERE AND IT WOULDN'T BE A SUCCESS. LITTLE TOWN I GREW UP IN BUILT A BICENTENNIAL FOUNTAIN . THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO CARE THAT IT WAS BASED ON PERPETUAL MOTION , AND IT'S STILL THERE TODAY AND STILL NOT WORKING. IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING THAT MAY TURN OUT TO BE UNUSABLE AND ULTIMATELY BE VIEWED AS A FAILURE IN THE FUTURE. SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, LET'S DO IT RIGHT AND LET'S GO WHOLE HOG AND DO THE DECK PART BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE ENJOY IT . MUSIC AND ITS FINANCES SCARY. LET'S BACK AWAY FROM IT AND DON'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL. THANK YOU. DRAKE UM, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE MCKINNEY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LAST WEEK, SO IT WAS A REALLY GREAT MEETING. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN THE VIBRANCY OF DOWNTOWN FOR MANY DECADES TO COME. SO WHEN YOU SEE PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT DOES CONTRIBUTE AESTHETICALLY SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NICE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM AND I THINK LONG TERM WE CAN SEE A LOT OF POSITIVE EVENTS THERE. UM MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, AS AS I STATED BEFORE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT JUSTIN IS SAYING. AND I APPRECIATE GARY. THANK YOU TO FEEDBACK ON WHAT TEXTILE IS GOING TO DO. I'M I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE ASSESSED IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO AT THOSE UNDER OTHER INTERSECTIONS. TO IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. BEYOND WHAT TEXTILE IS DOING AND HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE US TO IMPLEMENT THOSE THINGS, BUT I THINK AS WE MOVE ALONG, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD KEEP IN MIND AND NOT JUST LOOK AT JUSTICE PROJECT INDIVIDUALLY , SO I'D LIKE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND HAVING ASSESSMENT OF ONCE TEXT DOT DOES FINALIZE WHAT THEIR PLAN IS FOR THOSE OTHER INTERSECTIONS? WHAT ELSE ARE WE GONNA NEED TO DO? TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS CROSSING THAT AREA. UM THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT ON HIS CAN. WE LOOK AT OTHER, UM, PUBLICLY OWNED INVERTED DECK PARKS AND LOOK AT SAFETY ISSUES. IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH AN INCREASE IN CRIME? LOITERING HOMELESS PEOPLE? I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T WE CAN'T EXCLUDE ANYONE FROM[01:30:05]
USING THIS SPACE. BUT HOW WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES THAT OWN A PROPERTY LIKE THIS. AND DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH CRIME THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ASSESSMENT ON THAT AS WELL. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE CLYDE WARREN PARK, AND I'VE BEEN THERE A FEW TIMES. IT'S SURROUNDED BY ROADS. I MEAN TRAFFIC NOISE. UM, PROBABLY THREE TIMES MORE THAN WE WOULD EXPERIENCE IN. AH! IN MCKINNEY AND YET. HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE EVERY DAY. SHOW UP CLYDE WARREN PARK. AND THEY ENJOY IT. THEY ENJOY THE SPACE AND THEY HAVE THEIR PARTIES. THEY HAVE EVERYTHING EVEN WITH THE ROAD ROAD NOISE, AND SO IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T SCARE ME. TO THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO. WELL NOBODY'S GONNA BE THERE BECAUSE THERE'S TRAFFIC NOISE TRAFFIC NOISE EVERYWHERE. YOU'RE EVERY RESTAURANT THAT YOU'RE OUTSIDE, YOU HEAR THE TRAFFIC NOISE? WHO'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT, AND BUT I THINK WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE NUMBER OPTION TOO. AND I WOULD SAY TO YOUR POINT, CHARLIE OBVIOUSLY. NO ONE WANTS A FAILURE. AND I THINK THAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE RE EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT AS THEY LOOK AT THIS, AND WE GO DEEPER, AND THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT BY MICHAEL AND OTHERS ON THE CALL THAT HAD A REFERENCE, OTHER PLACES IT'S IN THE DESIGN. AND HOW DO WE ACTIVATED AND AGAIN, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS HE WAS VERY UPON THE IDEA OF SOME RETAIL RESTAURANT DOWN IN THAT AREA AS WELL. BUT BUT WE HAVE TO. WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY ON THE NOISE AND WE WERE ABLE TO TECHNOLOGY TODAY WE'RE ABLE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT NOISE WILL BE BEFORE WE EVER MOVE A STICK, SO BUT WE CAN'T GET TO THEIR UNTIL WE HAVE SOME DESIGN AND WE MOVED DOWN TO THAT POINT. SO THERE'S MORE OFF RAMPS. I GUESS IF WE IN FACT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO, BUT THERE IS CONSENSUS. UM SO, MR MAYOR, IF I WANT TO MAKE A POINT BASED ON SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST RAISED, UM AT LEAST THE LAST TIME I WAS IN GRAND SCAPE, AND I LIKE GRAND SCAPE THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. THAT THAT SUBTERRANEAN SPACE THAT WE LOOKED AT, IS ACTUALLY SURROUNDED GENERALLY BY WALKING SPACE AND NOT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. AND. THE LAST TIME I WAS THERE, IT IS SURROUNDED BY RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS ON THAT LOWER LEVEL, AND THEY ARE ALL STILL VACANT. SO IT'S NOT ATTRACTING BUSINESSES. IN THAT LOWER LEVEL . JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT . YOU HAVEN'T HAVEN'T BEEN THERE RECENTLY KNOW THAT. EVEN HAVING ISSUES ON SOME OF THE SPACES ABOVE. I THINK THEY JUST FINALLY GOT, UM TEXAS. WHATEVER IT IS LONG, THE LONE STAR. YEAH. NEAT LITTLE PROJECT THAT IS ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LEAST THE NEXT THE NEXT STEP. COUNCIL LIAISON, UPDATES REGARDING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. TOMORROW I WOULD JUST LIKE THAT. I'M SORRY. IF WE CAN DIFFER, I REALIZED AT 75 OR 73. WE HAVE MILITARY TIME, 17. OH, THREE. UM SO WE HAVE A TOURIST MEETING AND EVERYONE IS HERE. SO IS EVERYONE OKAY? IF WE DO REPORTS GREAT JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR TOURIST MEETING AS SOON AS EMPRESS MAKES THE SWITCH. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO EXECUTIVE RIGHT AFTER YEAH, YEAH. YEP. FOR EXECUTIVE. GOT IT. SO WE'RE RECESS. THIS MEETING. UM GAVEL CHARACTER. PASSES AND WE ARE HEY ADJOURNED. WE WILL RECONVENE INTO OUR WORK SESSION AND MOVE[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
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