May 09, 2023 Planning & Zoning Commission

GOODBYE. VERY GOOD. GOOD GOOD EVENING AT SIX PM, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S PLANNING

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[PLAT CONSIDERATION UNDER TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 212]

MEMBERS QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS ON OUR PLANTS THIS EVENING. MAKE A MOTION TO INCLUDE APPROVE THE PLAQUE CONSIDERATIONS, AS NOTED WITH THE CONDITIONS AND THE STAFF REPORTS MOTION MANAGED TO MEN'S EITHER APPROVE THE PLANTS. PER CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN EACH STAFF REPORT. SEVEN SECOND MAN, MISTER WATLEY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? CAST YOUR VOTE. THE PLANTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED. THE

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Variance to a Site Plan for Jefferson Bois D’Arc Multi-Family, Located Approximately 540 Feet South of U.S. Highway 380 (University Drive) and on the West Side of Bois D’Arc Road (REQUEST TO BE TABLED)]

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[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “PD” - Planned Development District, “REC” - Regional Employment Overlay District, and “CC” - Corridor Commercial Overlay District to “PD” - Planned Development District and “HC” - Highway Commercial Overlay District, Generally to Modify the Development Standards and to Allow for Multi-Family and Commercial Uses, Located Approximately 210 Feet West of U.S. Highway 75 (Central Expressway) and on the South Side of McKinney Ranch Parkway]

OVERLY THE R E C. WITHIN THE CURRENT PD ATTIRED DOWN GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS THAT THE TRACK SHOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH OFFICE AND RETAIL USES. WITHIN THAT GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE PROPOSED HEIGHTS OF THOSE USES RANGE FROM HEIGHT FROM ONE STORY TO 10 STORIES. AND THE ADVOCATE TONIGHT IS PROPOSING THAT TRACKED ONE IS PRIMARILY FOR MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES. STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST, GIVEN THAT THE MULTI USE DISTRICT IN THE R E C ALLOWS FOR MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES. TRACK TWO IS BEING PRESERVED FOR COMMERCIAL USES ALONG 1 21. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR TRACKED. ONE DOES HAVE ACCESS CHALLENGES FROM HIGHWAY 75 STATE HIGHWAY 1 21 AS WELL. THE PROPOSED MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD PROVIDE A COMPATIBLE BUILDING SKILLS AND TRANSITION TO THE EXISTING MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY. CONTRACT ONE THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING A SIMILAR SPACE LIMIT REQUIREMENT AND USE REQUIREMENTS TO THE M F 30 MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OR THE EXCUSE ME MAXIMUM DENSITY FROM 30 DWELLING UNITS TO THE ACRE TO 60 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND INCREASE IN HEIGHT FROM 55 FT TO SIX STORIES NOT TO EXCEED 75 FT. CALL MCKINNEY PARKWAY QUARTER ZONE IN THE R E C DOES NOT HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT EAST OF HARDENED BOULEVARD AND THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN THE CURRENT ZONING AS I MENTIONED PROPOSALS, BUILDINGS UP TO TIM STORIES. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HIGH RISE SUB ZONE OF THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL OVERLAY. THIS SUBSTANCE PERMITS INCREASING BUILDING HEIGHTS FROM THE BASIS ONLY DISTRICTS ON PROPERTIES. THE PROPERTY BE REZONED AND DEVELOPED UNDER COMMERCIAL USES. THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS COULD BE PERMITTED UP TO 12 STORIES. RIGHT IT ALSO SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE ADJACENT MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS TO THE NORTHWEST RANGE FROM HEIGHTS FROM TWO STORIES TO FOUR STORIES. AND GIVEN THESE FACTORS STAFF FEELS THAT THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IN THE INCREASE IN DENSITY WILL PROVIDE PROVIDE A POSITIVE SKILL OF MASSING OF BUILDINGS ON THE MAJOR HIGHWAY FRONTAGE IS FOR TRACK. TWO AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. THE CURRENT ZONING FOLLOWS USE IS PERMITTED WITHIN THAT MULTI USE DISTRICT IN THE R E C AGAIN IN THE CURRENT PD. THERE'S A TIED DOWN GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WOULD PERMIT USES FOR OFFICE IN RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING TO REZONE THIS TRACT TO PD AS WELL AND FOLLOW USES AND SIMILAR SPACE LIMITS TO OUR C THREE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. OVERALL STAFF IS SUPPORTED OF THE REZONING REQUESTS AND ALLOW FOR THE MULTI FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL USES. THE APPLICANTS PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH

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AND PROVIDED TRANSITION TO THAT EXISTING MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTHWEST.

ADDITIONALLY STAFF DOES ACKNOWLEDGE THE LOCATION OF THESE TWO TRACKS DO POSE A CHALLENGE FOR ACCESS. FROM THE HALLWAY AND MAJOR REGIONAL HIGHWAY AND THUS THE DEVELOPMENT OF NOTABLE COMMERCIAL AND TRACKED ONE COULD BE CHALLENGING. FIELDS OF THE PROPOSED USES, WILL INTEGRATE AND BLEND IN WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. KELLY REMEMBERS QUESTIONS. UM.

TRACK ONE APARTMENTS, SIX STORY 60 UNIT DENSITY PER ACRE. DO WE HAVE? WHERE DO WE HAVE 60 UNITS AGAINST RIGHT NOW? SO THERE ARE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE RNC AND CRAIG RANCH AREA THAT HAVE DENSITIES UPWARDS OF 70 UNITS AN ACRE. SO WITHIN THAT RTC AREA WITHIN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY SOME AREAS WITHIN THE I DON'T EVEN HAVE A MAXIMUM OF DENSITY BREAKER. THERE'S AN EVEN A MINIMUM OF AROUND 30 UNITS PER ACRE. I MEAN, SIMILAR WITH THE HEIGHTS IN THE KEURIG ARRANGED AREA. THERE'S MULTIPLE ZONING WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT RESTRICTION. IS THERE ANY IN THIS GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD? THERE'S A NUMBER OF DEPART APARTMENTS WITHIN THIS AREA ALREADY, AND I UNDERSTAND CRAIG RANCH THERE. IS THERE ANY WITHIN THIS AREA THAT HAS THE 60 OR SIX STORY? NOT IN THIS GENERAL AREA , THE HIGHEST HEIGHTS WITHIN THIS 1 21 75 IS AROUND FOUR STORIES IS THE REASON THAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT PD. INSTEAD OF THIS. THE FOCUS HAS BEEN TO GO STRAIGHT ZONING. LIKE C THREE IN AN MBA AT THREE IS THE ONLY REASON WE'RE LOOKING NOT AT ST ZONING IS BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT, FEAR AND THE DENSITY. THAT'S CORRECT THE HEIGHTS IN THE DENSITY AS WELL AS SUBDIVIDING THE TRACT OR THE PROPERTY INTO TWO TRACKS FOR DIFFERENT USES.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE TO INDIVIDUALLY PLATEAU AND THEN ZONE THEM FROM C THREE AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTIES TO ZONE THEM. YES, SIR. HAS THERE BEEN A SITE PLAN SUBMITTED ON THIS SO WE CAN HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESSES HERE. NOT WITH THIS CURRENT ZONING REQUEST. WE DON'T HAVE A SLIGHT PLANTS A MIDDLE AND THEN ON TRACK. TO THEY'RE TALKING PERMITTED, USES THE FIRST ONE COMMERCIAL FIRST ONE, SAYS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. THAT'S NOT. I DON'T KNOW HOW UNDER THE NEW ZONING, I GOTTA GO BACK AND TO THE NEW ZONING. IS THAT PERMITTED UNDER C TWO C THREE. IS THAT A ASSISTED LIVING PART OF THAT DEFINITION THAT'S CORRECT. UNDER THE SEA, THREE ASSISTED LIVING WOULD BE PERMITTED AND INDEPENDENT LIVING WOULD REQUIRE THAT S U P. QUESTION. BRENT WHETHER IT'S ASSISTED LIVING OR JUST HIGH DENSITY. MULTI FAMILY. ARE THERE ANY NOISE ABATEMENT REQUIREMENTS OF ANY SORT. GIVEN THE LOCATION. THESE TWO TRACKS TO THE HIGHWAY. IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. WE DO HAVE A SECTION FOR NO WORRIES OR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. UM WITH THIS BEING MULTI FAMILY DIRECTLY ADJACENT, UM THERE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ANY SORT OF ADJACENCY BUFFERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, GIVEN THAT IT'S A MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. BUT THEY WEREN'T ANY PROPERTIES WITH THE CITY. WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE NOISE SECTION AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. ANYONE ELSE? OTHER QUESTIONS? CAITLIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? GOOD EVENING, MR CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE PLANS ONLY COMMISSIONED MARTIN SANCHEZ 2000 NORTH MCDONALD'S WE 100 HERE IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS, JUST WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY BACKGROUND AND FILL IN SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT I THINK STEP DID A GREAT JOB ON WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS PROPERTY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AH THE ORIGINAL PARENT TRACK WAS PLUS OR MINUS 34 ACRES. AND THERE WAS A BIG CHALLENGE WITH THIS TRACK GOING BACK 20 SOME ODD YEARS. UM WE HAD AN INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE. ORIGINALLY THE LACK OF SANITARY SEWER PRIMARILY ON THE RELATIVE DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY. ULTIMATELY WE ZONE THIS PROPERTY AND CIRCA 2006 TIMEFRAME TO THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION. WHAT WE HAD ON THIS PROPERTY ORIGINALLY

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BECAUSE WE HAVE FIGURED OUT BOTH ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE AND ON THE STAFF SIDE THAT WHEN YOU LOCK DOWN THOSE LAND PLANTS TOO EARLY ON, THEN WE CAN. WE'RE COMING BACK REPEATEDLY WITH HAVING TO OPEN UP THE ZONING CASE JUST TO MAKE SOME TWEAKS. WE HAVE LAND PLANTED OUT IN FAIR AMOUNT OF DETAIL, JUST NOT PART OF THE ACTUAL ZONING CASE. THE OTHER THING, I WOULD NOW IS THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE MULTIFAMILY? THIS IS ENVISIONED TO BE MORE URBAN IN NATURE, INCLUDING A STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE WE HAVE ANTICIPATED TO, BUT AT THE VERY BARE MINIMUM ONE SIGNIFICANT ONE AGAIN, AND THAT IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY OF THIS. THAT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE WORK. UH FROM A FROM AN OVERALL JUST KIND OF LAME PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. SO THE ONLY WAY WE COULD ACTUALLY GET THIS TO HAVE ANY KIND OF EFFICIENCY AS WE HAD TO GO VERTICAL WITH THE PARKING STRUCTURE. WE REALLY COULDN'T JUST DO SURFACE PARKING FOR THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY KIND OF AS LIFE HAS GONE ON FROM 2000 EARLY TWO THOUSANDS TO NOW IS TO PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE. YOU DO HAVE A TOWN HOME FACILITY DEVELOPMENT HERE THAT WE DID. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A DOG MOTEL THERE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A CAR DEALERSHIP THERE AT THIS AT THIS POINT HERE. SO WITH ALL THE CONSTRAINTS THAT HAVE EVOLVED OVER TIME, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAY THE INTERCHANGE DEVELOPED AND HAVING VIRTUALLY NO ACCESS THERE. AH WE REALLY COULDN'T GET ANY OTHER MEANINGFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE IN THIS AREA. THE GOOD THING IS, AND WE'VE BEEN LUCKY THAT WE STILL OWN THIS MULTI FAMILY HERE . THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT MULTI FAMILIES. THERE'S ONE HERE AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE HERE. AND SO THIS IS HOW WILL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY MAKE ALL OF THE CROSS ACCESS AND FIRE LANE TO WORK BECAUSE WE CAN TIE INTO HER OWN PROPERTY. TO MAKE THAT WORK . AND THEN AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, LAST DOWN HERE WILL JUST KEEP THAT FOR AN APART HOTEL RATHER SOME PAD SITES TO GO ALONG WITH THE HOTEL FOR RESTAURANT USES ETCETERA AND THEN TWO IN LINE RETAIL CENTERS. BUT THAT'S REALLY KIND OF HOW WE GOT HERE. IT WASN'T A THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED ITS AFTER 20 SOME ODD YEARS. THIS IS WHERE WE'VE ENDED UP BECAUSE OF THOSE CHANGES.

LIKE I SAID THE 10 STORY HOTEL. WE'VE JUST MOVED. THAT HOTEL OVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION, WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE CHALLENGE, BUT THIS SIDE HAS BEEN A BIG CHALLENGE FOR US, UM BECAUSE OF JUST THE ULTIMATE DESIGN OF THAT INTERCHANGE WAS THAT I WOULD FAVOR I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR SANCHEZ AND OR THEIR QUESTIONS. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MULTI FAMILY FOR A LITTLE BIT. LOT OF THINGS COMING THROUGH MY BRAIN. FIRST CONCERN AND A LOT OF CONCERNS. FIRST CONCERN IS LOOK YOU'RE ASKING FOR HEIGHT AND THE DENSITY THAT'S JUST NOT TYPICAL IN THE AREA TODAY. BUT IT'S NOT. YOU'RE GONNA AGREE TO

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AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRODUCT IS. THERE IS A HIGH BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE LOW. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRODUCT IS SO AND THEN THE PD TYPICALLY FROM ME IN MY MIND WHEN IT COMES FORWARD IS LIKE HEY, WE GOT A SPECIFIC PROJECT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, NOT HYPOTHETICAL, SO I'M STRUGGLING. WITH THE HYPOTHETICAL ONE ALSO THE DENSITY BUT TO WHAT MIGHT GET BUILT IF WE APPROVE THIS THEN YOU COULD ACTUALLY GO MUCH LESS DENSITY. AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, DO A PHASE TO THE ONE YOU GUYS STILL OWN, WHICH IS A CONCERN TO RIGHT AND SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET COMFORTABLE. I DON'T TRACK ONE TRACK TWO THEN I HEAR THEY'RE GOING TO COMMERCIAL AND THEN THE FIRST ONE THAT'S AVAILABLE IS, YOU KNOW AND ANOTHER USE. THAT IS UH, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY LIKE THERE'S A GOOD BACKUP PLAN . IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GO GET HOTEL AND THE RETAIL SO. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I MEAN, I'M GIVING THEM MY NEGATIVE. I UNDERSTAND. I ABSOLUTELY STRUGGLE WHAT TO DO HERE TO ORDER IF I APPRECIATE IT. IF I COULD REACT ALL OF THAT I START WITH THE WITH THE ASSISTANT LIVING FACILITY. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE NO NO PROBLEM WITH JUST REMOVING THAT THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT. IN FACT, OUR INTENT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY AROUND HOTEL. THAT'S HOW WE LAID IT OUT. ORIGINALLY THAT'S HOW HE SOUNDED AND WE HAVE CURRENT CONTRACT WITH THE HOTEL. SO WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT WHATSOEVER. GOING BACK TO THE MULTI FAMILY ITSELF. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY INTENDED TO BE THERE. AGAIN. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE WHERE IF THE BODY SAID, HEY, LET'S DO SOME MINIMUMS. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER WAS SAYING IT'S A MINIMUM OF THREE MINIMUM OF FOUR STORY ETCETERA AND I CAN PLAY IN THAT RANGE. THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK IS FOR ME TO BE IN THAT RANGE AND MAKE THIS AN URBAN PRODUCT. I CANNOT MAKE IT WORK AS A GARDEN PRODUCT. IT JUST THERE'S NO EFFICIENCY WHATSOEVER. I CAN'T GET IT TO PARK, RIGHT? HAVE TO HAVE A STRUCTURED PARKING IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK. AND SO WE'VE WE'VE LAID THIS OUT A COUPLE DOZEN TIMES OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. UM SO AGAIN, THOSE THOSE TYPES OF THOUGHT PROCESSES ARE WELCOMED AND WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM WHATSOEVER FOR US. IN FACT, AS AN EXAMPLE. IF I COULD. I'M SORRY. I'M LIMITED WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE. SOME OF THE JUST GIVE YOU THE MENTAL EXAMPLE. UH WE DID WITH STAFF COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. UM IT'S BEEN, I GUESS NOW. THREE YEARS AGO, THE HARD NORTHWEST CORNER YEAH. THE HARD NORTHWEST CORNER OF COLLIN MCKINNEY PARKWAY AND ALMA. THAT IF YOU RECALL A GOOD NUMBER OF WE'RE STILL ON COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION HERE, MR PATEL'S PROPERTY THAT WAS THE OLD WELLNESS CENTER AND, LIKE TWO OR THREE OTHER DEFECT USES THAT HAVE THAT HAVE GONE BANKRUPT. AND THEN WE CLEANED ALL THAT MESS UP. IF YOU RECALL IT WAS A TORTUOUS CASE THAT TOOK MISS ARNOLD MYSELF ABOUT A YEAR TO ADJUDICATE. BUT AS AN EXAMPLE WHEN WE GOT TO THE MULTI FAMILY COMPONENT TO THAT SITE, THAT IS ACTUALLY A SIX STORY SITE, AND IT IS ON ALMA, NOT ON THE HARD CORNER, BUT ON ALMA, ABOUT 1000 FT NORTH OF COLLIN MCKINNEY PARKWAY, AND THAT WAS TIGHT TRADING IN BETWEEN THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND THE HEIGHT OF THE OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE, AND IT WILL BE AN URBAN MULTI FAMILY SITE ON ALMA IN THAT AREA . WE STARTED WITH THE URBAN LIVING COMPONENT THERE THAT WE SOLD TO DREES. WE DEVELOPED FORGERIES AND THOSE ARE UP AND RUNNING IN THE MULTI FAMILY COMPONENTS COMING NEXT, SO IT'S NOT COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER , THAT PARTICULAR DEAL I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. THE DENSITY WAS BOARDS OF 80 UNITS TO THE ACRE. AH BUT AGAIN, IT WAS ON A TINY LIKE FOUR ACRE PARCEL. I REMEMBER I VOTED AGAINST IT. YES I REMEMBER. BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT IS THERE AND WE DID GET IT THROUGH AND WHEN YOU GOT A GREAT DESIGN, AND IT'S AN URBAN PRODUCT, MUCH LIKE WHAT THE REST OF THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE KNOW. HYPOTHESIS ON IT WOULD BE. IF I WENT STRAIGHT DISTRICT. IT WOULD BE 12. STORIES. SO IN CURRENTLY HAVE GOT 10 STORIES AND I'M COMING DOWN TO SIX. TO MAKE THE MULTI FAMILY COMPONENT WORK. I HAVE GOT TO BE BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX STORES. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THAT'S THE WAY THE MATH IS GOING TO WORK OUT AND THE CHALLENGES ALL PREDICATED UPON. I CAN'T GET ANY ADDITIONAL CURB CUTS ALONG THAT FRONTAGE ROAD ON THE 75 FRONTAGE ROAD, BUT YOU COULD COME OFF COLLIN MCKINNEY, RIGHT. SO IF YOU KNOW

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COMMERCIAL RETAIL DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. I MEAN, IF I'M TRAVELING IF I'M A TRAVELER GOING NORTH BONG I CAN'T GET TO THE SITE UNLESS I GO ALL THE WAY TO VIRGINIA AND THEN CIRCLE BACK AROUND. THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM A COMMERCIAL RETAIL SITE. I'M COMING SOUTH BONG AND I REMEMBER TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE TUNNEL EXIT, WHICH IS NORTH OF EL DORADO. THEN I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO THIS. BUT IF I MISS THE TUNNEL EXIT, THEN I MISSED THE SITE COMPLETELY BECAUSE I'VE LOADED ONTO 1 21 GOING THIS WAY. THAT'S WHAT'S CREATED THAT DEAD ZONE. THEY'RE JUST CAN'T GET TO IT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT IS COMING THIS WAY, VERY, VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC ACTUALLY MAKES IT OUT TO THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED MOTIONS. ONCE YOU HEAR THE ONLY MOTION YOU CAN MAKE IS THIS MOTION IN THIS DIRECTION. AND SO WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO THE WHAT DO I DO WITH IT? AT ONE POINT IN MS ARNOLD, TALK TO ME OUT OF MY INSANITY, AND THANKFULLY, I APPROACHED HER WITH WELL, DO WE DO A TOWN HOME PRODUCT? DO WE DO ANOTHER URBAN LIVING PRODUCT OF SOME SORT? AND MATHEMATICALLY, COULD I GET ENOUGH UNITS TO MAKE IT WORK? YEAH. PRAGMATICALLY DOES IT WORK ? AND MISS ARNOLD VERY QUICKLY SAID DUDE, ARE YOU CRAZY? AND HOW DO YOU MAKE I MEAN, MARKET WISE? HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT WORK? AND AGAIN. THIS IS A CONVERSATION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS WITH WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? THE BEST THING WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH AGAIN IS MOVE ALL THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND THE HOTEL. AND TO THAT AREA . NO PROBLEM. I CAN MAKE THAT WORK BECAUSE I GOT THESE TO CURB CUTS. BUT THIS. UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS WHAT WE END UP WITH IS THE CANNOT MAKE ANYTHING ELSE WORK, AND SO WE WENT FROM UNTIL MULTI FAMILY SITE. I THINK YOU CAN ULTIMATELY GET HOTEL STILL OVER IN THIS GENERAL AREA, YOU KNOW THAT YOU COULD GET HOTELS STILL BECOME UP OVER. YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN CLOSE A FEW TIMES. UH IN IN EVERY SINGLE TIME. IT'S NOW I CAN'T GET TO IT. THERE'S NO ACCESS AND NOT TO DRAW THE INFERENCE EXAMPLE. LOOK AT THE SIDE ACROSS THE STREET. AGAIN, ONE OF THE COMMON REMARKS . GOOD, BETTER AND DIFFERENT. IT'S GOTTA MAKE THREE RIGHTS TO GET TO IT IF I REMEMBER WHERE TO GET WHERE THE EXIT IS A GOOD HOTEL, FANTASTIC LOCATION, LOVE THE SITE, ETCETERA, ETCETERA.

BUT AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW HOW TO GET TO IT. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO ELDORADO TAKING A RIGHT THEN GOING TO MEDICAL CENTER, TAKING ANOTHER RIGHT THEN GOING TO GATEWAY AND THEN TAKING ANOTHER RIGHT TO ACTUALLY GET TO THE SITE. IF YOU MISS THE EXIT AND ALAN THAT SAYS, EXITED MEDICAL CENTER OR THE OTHER WAY, RIGHT IF YOU KNOW THAT EXIT NOT TOO DIFFICULT. THAT'S THE TYPE OF CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LIMIT YOU KNOW? GO SIX STORIES, PERIOD. NO UP OR DOWN. IT'S 5432 AND ONE. I THINK I WOULD BE WILLING TO SAY I WOULD DO IS ABOUT TO KILL ME HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. I WOULD BE WILLING TO SAY FIVE OR SIX. THAT WOULD BE AN EASY ONE. THAT'S NOT A REAL CHALLENGE. CAN I GET THE WE HAVE ANOTHER CHALLENGE? AND I THINK NOT TO. TO TAKE MR ROEDER THUNDER AWAY, BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER CHALLENGE WHEN WE'RE GETTING UP TO THAT SIXTH STORY IS THAT AT ONE POINT THAT EXTRA FOOT TAKES US INTO HIGH RISE TERRITORY, RIGHT, SO I AT THE MARGIN HAVE GOT TO MAKE THE ARCHITECTURE WORK BEFORE I GO FULL BLOWN HIGH RISE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES OR ELSE I MIGHT AS WELL BE BUILDING. A 12 STORY OR A 20 STORY TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK . SO THAT'S WHY I SAY FIVE OR SIX. I CAN LIVE IN THAT RANGE ALL DAY LONG, 11 4. I CANNOT LIVE IN THREE OR BELOW JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. ONCE YOU FACTOR IT CAN STILL DO A LOT OF YEAH. YOU DON'T GET THE QUALITY PROJECT, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN . YOU CAN STILL MAKE IT NOT A QUALITY PROJECT. IT'S SIX. YOU'RE TIRED. I THINK THE ISSUE THE ISSUE THAT YOU THAT REALLY PUSHES IT FOR US. IS AT THREE. AT TWO. YOU CAN SURFACE PARKING AND THREE IT STARTS GETTING REAL TIGHT. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SURFACE COMBINATION SURFACE. THOSE PARKING POD, YOU KNOW, A DETACHED GARAGES. THAT KIND OF STUFF AT FOUR. YOUR INSTRUCTION PARKING AT FIVE YEARS STRUCTURE . OBVIOUSLY ETCETERA STRUCTURED PARKING IS THAT EXTRA CAUSE THE KICKS YOU INTO A WHOLE NEW REALM. AT THAT POINT, OUR RENTS HAVE TO BE 456 BUCKS A SQUARE FOOT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT ALL

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LOOK, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. I'M JUST GOING OUT HERE, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS TURN AROUND AND GIVE HIM SOMETHING WE'RE ALL SAID, AND I COULD COME IN WITH THAT. WE'RE DOING A 233 STORIES. YES, SIR. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. TRANSFER FOR THE GET IT. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT ISSUE AS WELL. WE COULDN'T MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK ON A GARDEN DEAL THERE. IN STRUCTURED PARKING JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO COMMISSION MEMBER THERE ARE VERY SIMPLE CHANGES. OKAY? GOOD THERE ARE SIMPLE CHANGES THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PD ZONING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MINIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF FOUR OR FIVE OR WHATEVER IS AGREED TO, AND A PROVISION FOR REQUIRING STRUCTURED PARKING AND ALSO REMOVING THAT INDEPENDENT LIVING AND THE COTTAGE MULTI FAMILY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY FAIR SAFEGUARD AGAINST GETTING A GARDEN OR LOW DENSITY, MULTI FAMILY PRODUCT. THANK YOU KNOW ISSUES WITHOUT WHATEVER I APOLOGIZE. OTHER QUESTIONS, ONE ELSE, MR WOODWORK AND SOMEONE ELSE PLAY NOW, MR BOXES OPEN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR SANCHEZ. THIS IS THE PUBLIC DURING IF YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT INTO WOULD LIKE TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH PLANNING AND ZONING REGARDING THIS PROPOSED REZONED. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. COMMOTION CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING EMOTIONAL, MR MAN'S, I'D CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING 2ND 2ND BY MR WOODRUFF.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. ALRIGHT WE HAVE CLOSE TO PUBLIC AREA OF QUESTIONS OR OF STAFF OR OF THE APPLICATION. WE WON RIGHT? NOPE. WE HAVE A MOTION. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THIS. I'M STRUGGLING, RIGHT? I CAME INTO THIS MEETING. NOT SURE IF I LIKE THE DENSITY AT ALL. AND THEN IT DAWNED ON ME THREE MINUTES INTO THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU KNOW, WE DO MULTI FAMILY HERE. I WANT TO PROTECT YOU CAN'T DO MULTI FAMILY HERE TODAY BY RIGHT AND SO WHAT I ALSO WANT TO DO IS NOW PROTECT. PROTECT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT. WEST AROUND PRODUCT. QUESTION THEN COMES DOWN TO IT IS A TOUGH SITE. I GO TO THAT GMC DEALERSHIP WEEKLY TO GET MY CAR WASHED AND GETTING THERE IS AWFUL. UM BUT THE SAME TIME I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE PROTECTING.

GETTING A GOOD QUALITY PRODUCT, THEIR LONG TERM AND SO I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH STRUGGLING. I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME COMMENTS FROM FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT IF WE DID APPROVE IT, YOU KNOW IS IT 56 STORIES, AND THERE'S A BIG DELTA BETWEEN FIVE AND SIX, UM THE QUALITY. CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, THE BASE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY DRIVES THE COST UP, BUT IT ALSO ENHANCES THE PRODUCT AND IT WILL BE A BIGGER RENT FACTOR THAN TO MAKE IT WORK. AND SO I'M STRUGGLING.

I WOULD ANSWER THAT WOULD LOVE TO GET SOME OTHER FEEDBACK FROM I THINK IF YOU COULD THAT DIRECTION YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE FLEXIBILITY. TO THE APPLICANT OF THE 4 TO 6 AND JUST PUT IT IN THAT REQUIRED STRUCTURE. PARKING. BECAUSE I THINK JUST WITH THE CHANGES OVERALL THROUGH THE YEARS OF EITHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR FINANCING ON THE BACK END, OR TYPICAL SETUP THAT THESE IS THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE TO JUST PINNED IT TO A CERTAIN SIZE. FOURTH. WE'RE STILL BUILDING PRETTY CHEAP, PRODUCT QUALITY PRODUCT.

FIVE YOU CAN STILL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PLAY WITH THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF THIS NOW AND STILL DO IT IN. STICK AND BRICK. FOR THE MOST PART, YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE STORY CONCRETE. THAT'S WHAT APPRECIATE THAT. I'M COUNTERING YOU RIGHT AWAY. YOU SHOULD LISTEN. EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE LOCKED AWAY IN. OH I AGREE WITH WITH MR MANZA ON BE REQUIRED TO STRUCTURED PARKING THAT'S GOING TO PUT THAT IN A IN A CERTAIN CATEGORY OF WHAT TO BUILD. I'M STRUGGLING WITH A LESSER PRODUCT ON THE FIRST FLOOR. SEEING THAT. I'M NOT SAYING A LOT. IN THE

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WELL, THEY'RE THEY'RE OFF. YEAH YOU GOT 600 PLUS NEW ONES OVER THERE, AND THEY'RE ALL LEAST UP.

I'LL LET YOU DO YOU TO BRIAN UP. ANYONE HAVE EMOTION. KEEP THIS OUT OF NEUTRAL HERE. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PD WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS. THAT TRACK ONE WILL BE 4 TO 6 STORIES WITH STRUCTURING PARKING AND TRACK TWO WILL HAVE INDEPENDENT LIVING WORKING FROM IT. AND ANY LOW LEVEL COTTAGE WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE PD. I'LL SECOND THAT EMOTIONAL AND MR MAN'S EYE. MR ARNOLD, WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT MOTION COULD GREAT JOB.

SERIOUSLY. NO WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOOD, MR LOBO. SECONDS EMOTION. NODDING YOUR HEAD. YOU'RE OKAY.

BUT OKAY, OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES ABOUT VOTE OF SIX IN FAVOR AND ONE AGAINST US WILL BE SENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. FOUR FINAL ACTION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION AT THE JUNE 6TH. 2023 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THE NEXT TIME

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “BN” - Neighborhood Business District to “PD” - Planned Development District, Generally to Modify the Development Standards, Located at 1719 West Louisiana Street]

THANK YOU AGAIN, MR CHAIRMAN, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WILSON CREEK BOULEVARD IN WEST LOUISIANA STREET FROM BIEN NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, WHICH IS A LEGACY DISTRICT WITH THE CITY TO PD PLANE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED OWNING OFFERS MANY OF THE SAME USES CURRENTLY ALLOWED WITHIN THE BEING ZONING DISTRICT. UM WITH SOME OF THOSE USES EVEN BEING REMOVED AS PART OF THIS REQUEST.

THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING IS THE REQUESTED 10 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN PROPERTY LINES. CURRENTLY A 20 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS REQUIRED ALONG THESE PROP THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. WELL THE 20 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFERS REQUIRED UNDER THE CURRENT CODE . MANY OF THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE PROVIDING BUFFERS OF 10 FT OR LESS MANY OF THE LOTS IN THE IN AND AROUND THE MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER DISTRICT. OR RELATIVELY SMALLER WHEN COMPARED TO LOTS OF OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. STEPH RECOGNIZES THAT THE EXISTING SIZE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY MAKES THE PROPERTY HARDER TO REDEVELOP UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT RIGOROUS REGULATIONS OF TODAY. BY REDUCING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY IT SHOULD ALLOW BEFORE THIS UNDERUTILIZED IN FULL SIGHT TO REDEVELOP AND MATCH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE LITTLE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS PROPOSED TO BE REDUCED, THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED A STRICTER REQUIREMENT OF ONE CANOPY TREE PER 30 LINEAR FEET, AS OPPOSED TO EVERY FOUR DEAL IN YOUR FEET IN THE STREET, FRENCH DUE TO THE LIMITED SIZE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDEVELOP AND UNDERUTILIZED IN FULL SIGHT AND THE ADDITION OF THE STRICTER STREET FRONTAGE TO REQUIREMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REZONING REQUEST AND ALL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR BENNETT QUESTIONS STEP. WELL, I'LL LET YOU GO ON. WE'LL LET THE CAPTAIN GO AND THEN OKAY. THIS IS A WE HEARD THIS CASE BEFORE WE HAD. DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT OUR FINAL ONE I THINK WE DENIED IT. CITY COUNCIL, THEN DENIED IT. CITY COUNCIL THEN GAVE FEEDBACK AS TO IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT

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THIS IS TOBACCO VAPE SHOPS. SMOKE TOBACCO BAIT. MALIA SHOPS , TATTOO PARLORS, CARWASHES. I AM OKAY WITH ALL THOSE WHO WERE TARGETING THOSE BUSINESSES IN THE FIRST PLACE, SO YEAH, I'M COMPLETELY FINE. SURE. NO ONE KNOWS YOU WOULDN'T RUN THROUGH THOSE AGAIN BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY QUICK AND REALLY QUICK. YES, YEAH. DAWG ENTERTAINMENT STORES. LINGERIE AND UNDERGARMENTS SHOPS. SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES. SMOKE TOBACCO AND SHOPS. WARNING.

SMOKE TOBACCO OR PARAPHERNALIA SHOPS. TATTOO PARLOR FOR STUDIO. CORN. WASHINGTON. THIS WAY. THAT SHOULD BE OKAY. ALRIGHT JUST SIMPLIFICATION OF RAPE SHOP IS A DIFFERENT THING, THEN RETAIL BUSINESS SELLING SOME WAVE ITEMS THAT WE ARE NOT WE'RE NOT TARGETING TRUE WAVE SHOP. BUT IF THE RETAIL BUSINESS COMES IN, YOU DEFINE THAT GENERAL SELLING , UM, AND PIPES AND THINGS OF THAT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A VAPE SHOP. THAT'S TRUE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE. YEAH.

OTHER QUESTIONS. ANYONE. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANK YOU. VERY WELCOME.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THEM. IF YOU COME TONIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS PROPOSED REZONE, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. MOTION CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING EMOTIONAL MR REMAINS IN AND CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND MAN, MR WOODRUFF. IS THERE ANY CONCERNS OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED. I WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST. I THINK THE LIST THAT COMMISSIONER WOODROOF READ OFF. AH! IS WHAT I BELIEVE

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[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “PD” - Planned Development District to “PD” - Planned Development District, Generally to Modify the Development Standards, Located on the Northeast Corner of Carlisle Street and Virginia Parkway]

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TODAY THE PAVEMENT ON IN CARLISLE STOPS ABOUT 12 TO 13 FT . SHORT OF THE EAST PROPERTY OR THE EAST RIDE OF WAY LINE. SO FROM THE PAVEMENT JUST TO GET TO OUR PROPERTY LINE IS 12 TO 13 FT. WE HAVE A 35 FT SETBACK TODAY, WHICH, WHEN YOU ADD ALL THOSE TOGETHER, THAT'S 47 FT.

FROM THE BUILDING FRONT. TO THE PAVEMENT ON CARLISLE. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A POLICY THAT THEY NEED. TO HAVE THE PAYMENT WITHIN 30 FT. OF THE BUILDING. AND I HAVE, I THINK AGREED TO ALLOW US TO STRETCH THAT TO 35 FT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU TO REDUCE THE SETBACK ALONG CARLISLE NOW I WANT TO TELL YOU TO START WITH WOW. YOU'RE ORDINANCE CONSIDERS CARLISLE TO BE A FRONT YARD TO THIS PROJECT. THE PROJECT REALLY IS ORIENTED TOWARDS VIRGINIA STREET. WE JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE TWO STREETS AS FRONT YARDS. AND SO WE'RE SEEKING TO GET THAT SETBACK ALONG CARLISLE REDUCED TO 15 FT, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW CARLISLE STREET TO ACT AS THE OUTSIDE FIRE LANE FOR THE PROJECT. OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING REMAINS THE SAME. AH! A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS WHEN I DRIVE THAT WHEN I DRIVE CARLISLE STREET. AS YOU KNOW, CARLISLE IS A VERY SHORT STREET. IT'S ABOUT A BLOCK LONG. HIT DEAD ENDS IN THE SLAUGHTER ELEMENTARY. IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE SOUTH, SO IT'S JUST THAT LITTLE STRIP THERE. NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALONG CARLISLE STREET, AND THERE'S REALLY NO NO FRONTAGE OF BUILDINGS ALONG CARLISLE STREET, WHERE IT SOMEONE WOULD NOTICE THAT ARE STUCK QUITE FAR OUT AND EVERYBODY ELSE WAS BACK. UM SO YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT GOING TO STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. IT ACCOMPLISHES A NEED. YOU WILL RECALL THAT THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT IS SCHEDULED TO BE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT WITH TAX CREDITS, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY THE COUNCIL WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF GETTING GIVING US THE DENSITY AND THE HEIGHT THAT WE NEEDED. SO, UM. YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD STORY TO TELL YOU OTHER THAN WE'RE STUCK. AND WE NEED TO REDUCE THAT SETBACK IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK. SO I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR ROEDER. OTHER QUESTIONS ? YES WHAT IS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OFF CARLISLE. HOW MANY FEET. WELL THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OFF OF CARLYLE. I THINK IF WE ASSUME THAT 12 13 FT. UNPAVED RIGHT OF WAY. THEN WE WOULD BE BRINGING THE BUILDINGS UP TO 15 FT, SO WE'LL HAVE A 27 28 FT. SEPARATION BETWEEN CARLISLE THE PAVEMENT. AND THE BUILDING THERE THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, SO AS FAR AS WHAT PEOPLE SEE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET THEY'RE GOING TO SEE APPROXIMATELY 30 FT OF GREEN GRASS SIDEWALK. THERE IS GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK. THERE IS ALREADY A SIDEWALK THERE. YOU CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THE GRASS NEEDS TO BE MOWED. AH IN ALL CANDOR. THE BUILDING HAS SETBACKS IN IT. SO THE 30 FT. WOULD BE TO THE ENDS IN REMOTE SET BACK SO YOU COULD HAVE A I DON'T KNOW. 34 FT FOOT, UH, INSECTS SO IT COULD BE MR LEBOW THAT AS YOU DROVE DOWN THE STREET, YOU WOULD SEE A SEPARATION OF 2025 FT. BUT IT WOULD BE INUNDATED. YOU KNOW IT IN AND OUT. THERE'S NO SCREENING IS TO FENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.

NO THERE WON'T BE. THERE WON'T BE ANY FENCE THAT THE EDGE OF THE BUILDINGS OR THAT BUILDING WILL WILL BE THE FENCE ALONG CARLISLE STREET. SORT OF LIKE THE PROJECTS ALONG I THINK RIDGE OF THE STACY YES. IS THERE? NO THERE'S NO INGRESS EAGER, AGGRESSIVE POINTS OFF OF CARLISLE. THEN THERE IS THE VERY NORTH WEST CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS AN ENTRANCE INTO THE IT'S NOT. THERE'S NO ROAD REALLY LOOPING AROUND SO, YEAH, SO THEY'RE THE PURPOSE OF THIS REALLY IS TO MEET FIRE CODE STAFF FOR ME. CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT. MEET THEIR CODE.

YES. OTHER QUESTIONS. MITCH. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE REQUEST AND SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU, MR

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APPRECIATE THE TIME TO SPEAK. AND HILDA FAR 14 OH NINE SANCTUARY LANE IN MCKINNEY.

SPEAKING REGARDING THE CHURCH. THAT IS JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.

THE PAPERWORK CAME TO OUR CHURCH. WITHIN THE LAST FEW DAYS SUGGESTED THERE WAS GOING TO BE A REDUCTION IN THE BASEMENT. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS IN BETWEEN OUR CHURCH IS GOING TO BE REDUCED TO 10 FT. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? MR ARNOLD IS QUESTION BEFORE SO REDUCTION ON THE WEST SIDE ONLY. THAT'S CORRECT ONLY ON THAT CARLISLE STREET FRONTAGE SO THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHY THAT LITERATURE CAME TO US OVER THE EMAIL. I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT WITH ME. BUT IT SAID IT WOULD BE REDUCED TO 10 FT. IF WE COULD CONNECT WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING, IF YOU STILL HAVE.

DID YOU SAY YOU RECEIVED AN EMAIL? THAT WOULD NOT HAVE LIKELY COME FROM CITY STAFF. WAS IT A CITY STAFF PERSON? CAME FROM THE CITY. IF WE COULD CONNECT WITH YOU AFTERWARDS, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THAT WAS. OKAY. SORRY. I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME. THAT'S OKAY. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE? THEN HEFLIN 13455 ROAD. I WORK FOR PALLADIUM FOR THE DEVELOPER. I'M NOT UP HERE TO REITERATE, UM THE ENDS AND OUTS OF THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OR ALL OF THAT. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH MANY ROUNDS OF THAT. I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY TAKE ONE MINUTE JUST TO REITERATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS COMMUNITY WILL BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY OF MCKINNEY, AND THAT'S WHY IN PREVIOUS HEARINGS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL HAS PASSED ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY UNANIMOUSLY, WE HAVE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS SUPPORTING IT AS WELL. THIS IS A HUGE, HUGE NEED TO THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTING THE 60. AMI RESIDENTS AND WORKFORCE OF MCKINNEY AND KEEPING THEM HERE AND GIVING THEM A QUALITY QUALITY CLASS A HOME THAT THEY CAN BE VERY PROUD OF TO LIVE IN AND KEEP THEM IN A KIDNEY. FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS HEADING FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANYONE ELSE? WORKS TO SPEAK ADDRESS PLANNING ZONING ON THIS ISLAND TONIGHT. MOTION CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. MR MAN'S I'D CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND, MR LEBOW. ANY DISCUSSIONS, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. AT THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED. NOW WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS MEMBERS. UNDERSTANDS DESK POSITION. AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION GOES, UM CARLISLE'S NOT SURE REGULAR URBAN RESIDENTIAL STREET. THERE'S. NOT RESIDENTS ALONG IT TO BLOCK LONG. THE CHURCH. ON TWO SIDES OF IT. THERE ARE TENDED NO. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ATTENDED FIVE DAYS A WEEK WITH A LARGE CROWD, REGULAR ATTENDANCE AND IF YOU TAKE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AT THE END, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT 190 DAYS OF USAGE AS FAR AS THAT GOES AND WITH THE FACT THAT STREETS RIGHT AWAY IS NOT EXTENDED ALL THE WAY OUT. AS FAR AS THAT GOES, I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE. LARGELY AN APPEALING IN ANY FACTOR OR EFFECT. ANY RESIDENTS. THE SIDES I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE. I'LL CONCUR COMMISSION MEANS I AM ON TOP OF THAT. JUST, YOU KNOW. IT'S THAT'S OPINION. THIS IS, UH. THIS IS THE FUN. WE GO BACK AND FORTH WITH ENGINEERING AND FIRE AND PLANNING, AND SOME THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER AND TRYING TO MAKE ALL THE VARIANCES WORK. UM THE VARIANCE THAT IT IS NECESSARY, COUPLED WITH US IS A PRODUCT THAT THE CITY DOES NEED I MENTIONED THIS WAS MY PRODUCT PROJECT AND LEADERSHIP. MCKINNEY AND WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND IT'S 60% AM I THIS IS A PRODUCT DESPERATELY NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY AND SO HOPEFULLY HOPEFULLY SUPPORT. THE VARIANCE REQUEST. ANYONE ELSE? INCLUDING THIS WAS BEFORE THE LAST TIME. I VOTED NO. THE PAST 61. ANYONE ON

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JENNIFER. MAKE A MOTION TO THE JOURNEY TO ADJOURN BY MR WOODRUFF 2ND 2ND BAND MISTER WATLEY, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. ALRIGHT THAT MOTION CARRIES IT IS 802 AND WE A

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