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GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS TUESDAY , MAY 16TH YEAR 2023. IT IS 1600 HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON. WE ARE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 2 22 MORE TENNESSEE STREET. THE GREAT CITY OF MCKINNEY. THIS IS OUR MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT MEETING. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS FOR NON PUBLIC HEARING. DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY OR DO WE HE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. WE'LL
[Minutes of the McKinney Urban Transit District Board Meeting of March 21, 2023]
MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM 230374 MINUTES IN MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD MEDIUM MARCH 21ST 2023. ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE WE ACCEPT THOSE MINUTES SECOND. ALL[Presentation from North Central Texas Council of Governments (NCTCOG) regarding Changes to the McKinney Urbanized Area (MUZA) resulting from the 2020 United States Census]
IN FAVOR. I POST AND SECOND ITEM IS 23 0375 PRESENTATION FROM NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNSELOR GOVERNMENTS REGARDING CHANGES TO THE MCKINNEY URBANIZED AREA RESULTING FROM THE 2020 UNITED STATES CENSUS THAT INTRO PRESENTATION BEFORE SHANNON STEVENSON FROM THE COG GETS UP AND TALKS ABOUT THIS, I'M GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTRODUCTION TO SET THE STAGE FOR YOU. SO, UM. WHAT'S THAT SONG? HERE WE GO. OKAY SO IN 2010, THE MCKINNEY URBANIZED AREA WAS DETERMINED TO BE A SMALL URBAN AREA BY THE CENSUS BUREAU. TECH START SERVES, SERVED AND STILL SERVES AS OUR DESIGNATED RECIPIENT AND THE CITY RECEIVED TRANSIT FUNDING, BUT WE PINNED THAT FUNDING OVER TO SEE CART. AND THEN ABOUT 20 14/2 TAPS IN 2017 TAPS, EXPERIENCE AND FINANCIAL ISSUES AND KIND OF KIND OF BLEW UP. AND AT THAT TIME CALLING COUNTY WAS A RULE. THEY WERE REAL TRANSIT DISTRICT SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE PINK IS THE MCKINNEY URBANIZED AREA, AND THE BLUE IS EVERYTHING ELSE. SO MCKINNEY AND COLLIN COUNTY BOTH WERE SERVICED BY TAPS, AND WHEN TAPS WENT BELLY UP, CALLING COUNTY GAVE UP THEIR RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT. AND MCKINNEY URBANIZED AREA TOOK OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE EFTA AND TEXT DOT FUNDING, SO WE STARTED MANAGING OUR OWN FUNDS BASICALLY. WELL. THEN NOW. AND WE FORMED THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT. SO YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF UP TO DATE IN THE SERVICE THAT WE HAVE NOW. SO IN 2017. WE BECAME OUR OWN DIRECT RECIPIENT OF FUNDS AND YOU CAN SEE WE GET OUR FENCE FROM EFTA, A DESIGNATED RECIPIENT UNDER THAT, AND THEN WHERE THE DIRECTORY SIPPY IN AND THEN DART IS NOW CURRENTLY ARE SUB RECIPIENT OR PROVIDE SERVICE. SO WITH THE 2020 CENSUS, WE ARE NOW IN A LARGE URBAN AREA. SO MELISSA AND PRINCETON ARE NO LONGER PART OF OUR URBANIZED AREA. IN ADDITION, SOUTH PALOMA AND FRISCO ARE PART OF OUR URBANIZED AREA, SO TEXT DOT IS NO LONGER. UH TEXTILE IS NO LONGER ARE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT. UM COREG COULD POSSIBLY BE THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT BECAUSE WE'RE NOW LARGE URBAN. THE M UTD . COGBURN FRISCO TEX. DOT HAVE TO DECIDE ON WHO THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT FOR THE MCKINNEY FRISCO URBANIZED AREA IS GOING TO BE. THIS IS ONE WAY WE COULD DO THAT FRISCO DESIGNATED RECIPIENT SHANNON STEVENSON FROM THE CAUSE IS HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT DESIGNATED RECIPIENT STATUS. SERVICES THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT FOR THE DFW URBANIZED AREA AND THE DENTON LEWISVILLE URBANIZED AREA. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE ASKING M UTD TO KIND OF PONDER ON THIS EVENING. THE OTHER THING IS SORT OF GIVING STAFF PERMISSION AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AFTER ON THIS STEVENSON'S PRESENTATION, BUT TO REACH OUT TO CALLING COUNTY AND SEE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO START GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. BECOMING A RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT SO THAT THOSE AREAS BETTER OUTSIDE THE MCKINNEY FRISCO URBANIZED AREA CAN STILL RECEIVE TRANSIT SERVICES, MELISSA AND PRINCETON . UM SO THERE ARE 31 RIDERS IN PRINCETON AND 13 RIDERS IN THE LISTS A FOR A TOTAL FROM MARCH 1ST THROUGH MAY 15TH A TOTAL OF 1000 TRIPS. SO WITH THIS NEW DESIGNATION THEY WILL NOT HAVE TRANSIT SERVICE UNLESS CALLING COUNTY PICKS UP AND BECOMES A RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT. IN ADDITION, ANNA, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE OLD USDA, NOR IS IN THE NEW ONE, WOULD LIKE TRANSIT[00:05:06]
SERVICE EVEN WOULD LIKE TRANSIT SERVICE, SO THERE ARE OTHER AREAS IN CALLING COUNTY THAT THAT ARE ASKING FOR TRANSIT SERVICE. SO WITH THAT WE WILL INTRODUCE SHANNON STEVENSON QUESTION. IF YOU WANTED TO CHAIN THAT'S OKAY. SURE GO AHEAD. SO MELISSA AND PRINCETON OUT YES, LONGER IN ANY DISTRICT IF WE WERE TO ABSORB THEM, AND EVEN AND OR FILL IN THE BLANK, IS THERE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT COMES THIS WAY? NO NO, SIR. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE DESIGNATION WE COULD PROVIDE SERVICE. WE COULD PROVIDE SERVICE TO ANYONE. BUT WE ONLY GET FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THE CITIES THAT ARE IN OUR URBAN AREA. YES. SURE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY, SO I'M SHANNON STEVENSON. I'M A SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS BEEN WITH THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS FOR PROBABLY LONGER THAN I CARE TO ADMIT, BUT I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 2021 YEARS , BUT I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE URBAN PORTION AND THE FUNDING RELATED TO THE URBAN ELEMENT FOR THE NEW CHANGES TO THE MCKINNEY, FRISCO URBANIZED AREA OR OFTEN WILL SAY , YOU SEE A IN PLACE OF URBAN AREA, UM AND JUST SORT OF FOLLOWING ON WHAT JENNY WAS MENTIONING THE REASON THAT WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT FOR THE COUNTY IS TEXT DOT ACTUALLY DOES RECEIVE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION FUNDING OR FDA FUNDING FOR ALL OF THOSE RURAL PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY. THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE URBAN AREA SO THERE COULD BE FUNDING FOR THOSE RURAL PORTIONS OF COLLIN COUNTY, ONCE A RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT IS ESTABLISHED BY THE COUNTY THAT IF THE MUTV IS HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS THAT RULE PROVIDER, THEN YOU GUYS COULD ACTUALLY ACCESS FUNDS TO HELP ANNA AND MELISSA OR THOSE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE URBAN AREA. BUT TODAY FOR MY PRESENTATION, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THOSE URBAN PORTIONS. OKAY SO FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT AT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, WE WEAR MULTIPLE HATS. SO WE ARE A COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. WE COVER 16 COUNTIES IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS. YOU GUYS PROBABLY ARE WELL AWARE OF THAT, BUT WITHIN THAT OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION OR THE MPO. UM AND THAT HAS ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT FEDERALLY REQUIRED. UM REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO FULFILL AS AN MPO FOR OUR REGION. NOT ALL COGS AND MPS ARE CO LOCATED. WE JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN NORTH TEXAS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN AUSTIN, THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS AND THE MPO. THEY'RE COMPLETELY SEPARATE AGENCIES, SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO MENTION THAT AS AS THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS OR AS THE MPO FOR THE REGION. WE DO KIND OF DO A LITTLE BIT OF JUGGLING BEYOND THAT WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT. WE ARE ALSO THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT FOR THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION OR THE EFTA FUNDING FOR THE URBAN AREAS OF THE DALLAS FORT WORTH ARLINGTON AS WELL AS THE DIDN'T LOUIS FILL URBAN AREAS. SO JUST QUICKLY WANTED TO MENTION SOME OF THE MPO FUNCTIONS THAT WE GO THROUGH AD MENTIONED. THERE'S A LOT OF FEDERALLY REQUIRED DOCUMENTS AND PLANNING PROCESSES . WE HAVE TO DEVELOP OUR METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH IS OUR 20 YEAR HORIZON PLAN. WE HAVE TO DO OUR FUNDING PROGRAM, WHICH IS OUR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT OR THE TIP. YOU'LL HEAR THAT THROWN AROUND A LOT, ESPECIALLY THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL OR THE RTC MEETING MEETINGS. WHICH IS OUR POLICY BODY, OF WHICH THE MAYOR IS PART OF THE RTC. WE HAVE OUR UNIFIED WORK PROGRAM, WHICH WERE DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S OUR TWO YEAR BASIC, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS AS STAFF AND YOU GUYS ARE GENERALLY PART OF THAT PROCESS. WE HAVE OUR CONGESTION MANAGEMENT PROCESS FOR THEIR THE AREAS THAT ARE REQUIRED OVER THE 200,000. AS WELL AS AIR QUALITY CONFORMITY. SO UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN RECENT YEARS. CALLING COUNTY IS PART OF THE WE HAVE 10 COUNTIES IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS. SO IT'S A SMALLER AREA THAN THAN THE COG REGION THAT DO NOT MEET THE FEDERAL STANDARDS FOR AIR QUALITY. SO BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WE HAVE TO PUT ALL SORTS OF CONTROL MEASURES IN PLACE IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK INTO COMPLIANCE. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN ARE BASICALLY OUR TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS ARE HELD HOSTAGE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL UNTIL WE TRY TO MAKE THAT PROCESS, SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND GO THROUGH THIS CONFORMITY ANALYSIS AND THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT OUR REGION IS GROWING, AND THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING TO THE REGION, WE STILL HAVE TO TRY TO MAINTAIN OR TRY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE FOR AIR QUALITY. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT WE DO AS AN MPO.[00:10:03]
JOHNNY KIND OF BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON THIS. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF RESTATE. SO THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION APPORTIONS THE TRANSIT FUNDING FOR ALL OF THEIR YOU SEE A S EVERY YEAR, SO EVERY YEAR WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT DELAYED, SO TYPICALLY THEY DO NOT ANNOUNCE THE FISCAL YEAR FUNDING UNTIL BASICALLY HALFWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR, SO LET'S TAKE FISCAL YEAR. 23 FOR EXAMPLE, WE DID NOT GET OUR APPORTIONMENT FROM EFTA UNTIL THE JANUARY FEBRUARY TIME FRAME OF ACTUALLY 23, WHICH WERE WELL INTO THE FISCAL YEAR AT THAT POINT, SO IN SO MANY WORDS, I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY A YEAR BEHIND WITH OUR FDA FUNDING, SO EVERY TIME THAT THE EFTA ABORTIONS THE FUNDING YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THOSE FUNDS BEING ACCESSIBLE FOR THE MOST PART IN THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FISCAL YEAR 23 FUNDS THEY'RE AVAILABLE IN 24 AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AS I MENTIONED THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS IS THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT FOR THE DALLAS FORT WORTH ARLINGTON, AS WELL AS THE LEWISVILLE, TEXAS IS THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT RIGHT NOW FOR THE MCKINNEY AREA BEFORE THIS CENSUS DATA GOES INTO EFFECT, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE M UTD WOULD BE A DIRECT RECIPIENT. SO THE DIFFERENCES ARE BASICALLY THAT DESIGNATED RECIPIENT IN THE DIRECT RECIPIENTS. THEY RECEIVED THEIR FUNDING DIRECTLY FROM EFTA, WHICH MEANS THE UTD OR MCKINNEY IS GOING INTO A GRANT AGREEMENT DIRECTLY WITH FDA FOR THE RECEIPT OF THOSE FUNDS, JUST LIKE THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS IS DOING THAT FOR OUR REGION AS WELL. THE DIRECT RECIPIENTS CAN ALSO RECEIVE FUNDING DIRECTLY, AND I'M SORRY I MENTIONED THE MUT IS A DIRECT RECIPIENT, SO YOU GUYS STILL RECEIVE YOUR FUNDING DIRECTLY FROM FT. A IT MEANS YOU'RE ALSO UM SO I GUESS YOU ALSO GO THROUGH A TRIANGLE REVIEW. SO THAT MEANS WHEN TO COMES IN, THEY REVIEW ALL OF YOUR PROCESS. ALL YOUR DOCUMENTATION. I'D LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS LIKE AN AUDIT ON STEROIDS, SO JAMAICAN PROBABLY TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, SO THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS WE HAPPEN TO BE GOING THROUGH OUR TRAINING REVIEW RIGHT NOW. AND SO IT'S SORT OF ALL HANDS ON DECK, AND IT'S A REALLY IN DEPTH PROCESS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, BEYOND THAT, YOU HAVE YOUR SUB RECIPIENTS AT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE SMALL TRANSIT PROVIDERS WITHIN THE REGION, UM, THAT WE FLOW THE FUNDS THROUGH SO WE ARE ACTUALLY THE CONDUIT FOR THOSE SMALL AGENCIES. WE DO THEIR PROCUREMENT FOR THEM. SO OFTENTIMES, ANYTIME YOU HAVE FEDERAL FUNDING AFTERNOON, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD OUR DIRECTOR MICHAEL MOORE SAY THIS OFTEN. YOU KNOW, THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU HAVE FOR ALL FANS. THE BAD NEWS IS YOU HAVE FEDERAL FANS, SO YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS TO GET THE FEDERAL FUNDS AND SO ARE SMALL TRANSIT PROVIDERS OFTEN DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, OR HANDLE THAT. SO WE HAVE STAFF WE SERVE AS ALMOST LIKE AN EXTENSION OF STAFF FOR THOSE SMALL AGENCIES. WE DO PROCUREMENT LIKE PURCHASING THEIR VEHICLES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO I MENTIONED THAT WE'VE GOT BASICALLY RIGHT NOW THREE URBANIZED AREAS WITHIN THE REGION. WE'VE GOT OUR DALLAS FORT WORTH. ARLINGTON DIDN'T LEWISVILLE AND THEN, OF COURSE, MCKINNEY FOR THE DFW. ARLINGTON THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE DESIGNATED RECIPIENTS I MENTIONED WE'VE TALKED IS ONE OF THEM BUT OUR TRANSIT AUTHORITIES , THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT AS WELL AS TRINITY METRO OVER IN FORT WORTH, ARE ALSO DESIGNATED RECIPIENTS. HOWEVER THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS AND THE R T C IS THE LEAD DESIGNATED RECIPIENT.SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN THE APPORTIONMENT COME IN FOR THE REGION, OR THEY HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED BY FDA. THEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS THAT ULTIMATELY THE RTC WILL APPROVE HOW THOSE FUNDS ARE BEING SPLIT ACROSS THE REGION. AND THEN WE HAVE DIRECT RECIPIENTS WITHIN THAT. DFW ARLINGTON UZ A. WE HAVE ARLINGTON, THE CITY OF ARLINGTON GRAND PRAIRIE, AS WELL AS MESQUITE SO AGAIN AFTER THE RTC APPROVES HOW THE FUNDING IS SPLIT WITHIN THE REGION. THEN THOSE THREE AGENCIES GO INTO A BASICALLY A DIRECT AGREEMENT WITH EFTA AS WELL AS DARK AND TRINITY METRO. FOR DENTON, LEWISVILLE. THE DIDN'T COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, OR DC TO IS PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN, SO THEIR FUNDS GOES DIRECTLY TO THEM AS WELL. UM BUT IT'S THE SAME SETUP IS STILL THE LEAD AGENCY AND THEN D C TO A IS ALSO DOESN'T RECIPIENT FOR YOU GUYS. YOUR DESIGNATED RECIPIENTS IS TEXT DOT AND THEN YOU'RE A DIRECT RECIPIENTS, SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. UM SO BASICALLY, I WANTED TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE TYPE OF FUNDING THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AS YOU GUYS BUMP UP TO A LARGE URBAN AREA, SO WE HAVE THREE BROAD CATEGORIES THAT FUNDING IS AVAILABLE FOR WE HAVE PLANNING CAPITAL AND OPERATING ASSISTANCE . I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT AS YOU GO INTO A LARGE URBAN AREA YOU WILL NEED TO GET DESIGNATED BY EFTA UNDER SPECIAL ROLE. AND THE REASON THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE AH, IF
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OTHERWISE, IF YOU WERE DESIGNATED, LET'S SAY LET'S SAY YOU'RE THE SIZE OF DART WHERE IT'S A VERY LARGE AGENCY, AND YOU CLEARLY HAVE OVER 100 VEHICLES IN SERVICE AT ANY ONE TIME. THE FUNDING THAT YOU RECEIVED COULD NOT BE SPENT ON OPERATING EXPENSES. SO THE CAVEAT BEING SOMETIMES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. YOU KNOW AGAIN, WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. THERE'S ALWAYS TONS OF FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENT. IT'S THOSE OPERATING IN THE MAINTENANCE THAT IS THAT KILLS US DOWN THE LINE, SO IT'S A IT'S A VERY NUANCE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, THERE MAY BE A NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUMP UP TO THAT.BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE FALL UNDER THAT SPECIAL ROLE, THEN THAT MEANS THE EFTA FUNDING THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE WOULD STILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS OPERATING ASSISTANCE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT IN WHICH TO HELP KIND OF CONTINUE THOSE OPERATIONS AND BASICALLY, THAT JUST MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. YOU HAVE LESS THAN 100 VEHICLES IN SERVICE. AND RIGHT NOW, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE CONTRACTING WITH DART, THAT MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE VEHICLES IN SERVICE. SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GOOD THERE. UM THEN, AS THIS FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED TO THE REGION THROUGH THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT, IT'S A FORMULA THAT INCLUDES ALL SORTS OF PARAMETERS . AND SO IT'S NOT JUST POPULATION BASED. IT WILL. THERE IS POPULATION PART OF THAT. BUT IT'S ALSO THE POPULATION DENSITY . THERE'S LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS. THE POPULATION OF YOUR SENIORS AND INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES. UM THERE'S HOW MANY BUS REVENUE MILES WERE GENERATED IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS, AS WELL AS OPERATING COSTS. ALL OF THOSE FACTORS ACTUALLY PLAY INTO HOW FDA APPORTIONS THE FUNDS AND FOR THE MOST PART, THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS, WE FOLLOW THAT EXACT SAME PROCESS WHEN WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE FUNDING. ALLOCATIONS FOR OUR OTHER JOZIAS THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CAVEAT THERE BECAUSE IF WE'RE IN A SITUATION THAT AN AGENCY IS NOT EXPANDING THEIR FUNDS, AS WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED, WE DO NOT WANT TO LOSE THOSE FUNDS FROM THE REGION. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS SOMETIMES WE'LL GO IN AND WILL REALLOCATE THAT FUNDING TO MAYBE ANOTHER AGENCY THAT COULD SPEND IT SO AT LEAST THE REGION BASICALLY WHEN IF YOU WILL, AND WE DON'T LOSE THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS TO BACK TO THE GENERAL POLL IN D. C SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CAVEAT THERE. I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT? THE MAP OF WHAT? EVERYTHING. LOOKS LIKE, BASICALLY UP UNTIL BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR, 24 WILL BE THE NEW, UM CENSUS BOUNDARIES WILL BE UTILIZED FOR THE FUNDING. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING WITH FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS IS FROM THE LAST CENSUS. SO THE GREEN BLOB YOU SEE IS THE BIG DFW ARLINGTON NEWSIER. THE PURPLE AREA IS GOING TO BE THE MCKINNEY AND THEN THAT GOLD AREA IS GOING TO BE YOUR DENTON LEWISVILLE USING A AND SOME OF THOSE GRAY SHADED AREAS THAT YOU SEE OR WHAT THEY USED TO CALL RULE TRANSIT DISTRICTS. UM BUT AND THEN THE URBAN CLUSTERS. IF YOU WILL, IT'S SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON THE MAGNITUDE OF FUNDING THE DFW AREA IN FY 23 WE RECEIVED ABOUT $177 MILLION THE DIDN'T LEWISVILLE HAD ABOUT 12 MILLION . THEN, OF COURSE YOU GUYS HAD ABOUT 5 MILLION. UM, SO IT'S QUITE A BIT OF FUNDING COMING TO OUR REGION. MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS OUR NEW BOUNDARIES, AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN HAVE TO TALK BACK AND FORTH. I HAVE SOME MAPS HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. THAT'S GOING TO TRY TO SHOW A LITTLE.
WE'RE GOING TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT YOU KNOW, 1 MARCH OR MIGHT ARGUE THAT WE LOST SOME AREA BUT WE GAINED SOME AREAS. SO UNFORTUNATELY WITH THIS NEW CENSUS UPDATE, THEY ALSO NOT ONLY DID WE OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE NEW CENSUS DATA THAT THEY'RE GOING OFF OF, BUT THEY CHANGED THE DEFINITIONS. AND SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES HERE, SO IT'S WE'RE STILL AGAIN. WE HAVE A WHOLE TEAM OF FOLKS BACK AT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO LIKE AGAIN DECIPHER EXACTLY HOW THIS IS ALL GOING TO SHAKE OUT. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S PROBABLY JUST GONNA BE AWASH. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY RECEIVING MORE MONEY OR LESS MONEY. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING HOW WE'RE GOING TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO SLICE AND DICE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE SAME. IT'S THE SAME PIE. IT'S JUST HOW WE'RE GOING TO SLICE IT WITHIN THE REGION. UM SO LET'S SEE HERE. SO I DID WANT TO MENTION THOUGH, THAT INITIALLY WE WERE THINKING THAT THE MCKINNEY AREA THE URBAN AREA WAS GOING TO GROW TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST, BUT SURPRISINGLY, IT GREW TO THE WEST. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU THEN YOU GUYS KIND OF THEN ABSORBED FRISCO AND SOME OF THE BOUNDARIES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH. URBAN AREA ARE NOW IN THE MCKINNEY FRISCO AREA. OKAY SO WE'RE ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT. SO BASICALLY, THE GOLD AREA WILL BE THE MCKINNEY FRISCO URBAN AREA, SO CLEARLY YOU CAN SEE ROOM BUT KENNY IS FRISCO IS GOING TO BE IN THE SOLID BLUE, BUT WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THE MCKINNEY FRISCO URBANIZED AREAS SLICES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF FRISCO. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THEN ON THAT LOWER THE SOUTHERN PART OF FRISCO THAT'S NOT HATCHED. THAT
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FALLS WITHIN THE DFW ARLINGTON UZ A AND THEN THE NORTHERN HALF SURPRISINGLY, IS CONSIDERED RULE SO THAT AREA I DON'T WANT IT WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR URBAN FUNDING AT THIS POINT, SO FRISCO HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONUNDRUM ON THEIR HANDS BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY LIKE BETWEEN THREE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES PROVIDED THAT A RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT IS ULTIMATELY ESTABLISHED FOR THE COUNTY. UM JUST TO MAKE THINGS EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED. I WANTED TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE TRANSIT PROVIDERS WITHIN THE REGION SO CLEARLY WE HAVE A CALL IN COUNTY TRANSIT. FOR MCKINNEY , FRISCO IS ACTUALLY OFFERING SERVICE AS WELL THROUGH THEIR FRISCO DEMAND RESPONSE. THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE DIDN'T COUNTY TRANSIT OR TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, OR D C T. A AND THEN SPAN OFF TO THE WESTERN PART OF THE URBAN AREA IS PROVIDING TRANSIT IN THAT AREA. THAT WAS AN AREA THAT WAS FORMERLY PART OF THE DALLAS FORT WORTH URBAN AREAS. SO THIS IS WHY NOW YOU KNOW WHEN WE SEE IT AS A WHOLE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER PLAYERS AT THE TABLE. UM SO MOVING ON. SO BASICALLY IS JENNY MENTIONED KIND OF THE FIRST THING THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW IS WE NEED TO GET THE SELECTION OF A DESIGNATED RECIPIENT DECIDED WITHIN THE REGION SO THAT WE CAN PASS IT ON TO TEXT DOT WE CAN THEN GET THAT OVER TO FDA SO THAT WE AGAIN DON'T LOSE FUNDING FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. 24 FUNDS SO TEXT DOTS THEY HEDGE THEIR BETS A LITTLE BIT WHEN THEY ALLOCATE THEIR FUNDING. FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 THE THEY DO IT IN ADVANCE OF THE EFTA APPORTIONMENT, SO I KNOW IN THE PAST LIKE THEY'LL COME OUT WITH WHAT THEY ASK, AND THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE ON WHAT THEY EXPECT THE APPORTIONMENT TO BE, BUT TECHNICALLY, THOSE APPORTIONMENT DON'T HAPPEN UNTIL THAT JANUARY FEBRUARY TIME FRAME , SO, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GET THINGS ESTABLISHED BEFORE FISCAL YEAR 24 WHICH OF COURSE, WOULD BE OCTOBER 1. SO WE'RE KIND OF FACING A SEPTEMBER 30TH DEADLINE . AND SO OF COURSE, IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AT LEAST TWO AS THE MPO WILL NEED TO START TAKING THINGS THROUGH OUR COMMITTEES AND FOR INFORMATION AND ACTION BEGINNING AT THE END OF JULY, SO THAT WOULD GO THROUGH OUR SURFACE TRANSPORTATION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE FIRST OR S TAG. AS AN INFORMATION ITEM, THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH RTC, UM, IN AUGUST AS AN INFORMATION ITEM, AND THEN WE'D GO BACK TO S TACK FOR ACTION AT THE END OF JULY AND THEN, UM, I'M SORRY AS AN END OF JULY AND AUGUST. THIS IS WHY I SHOULDN'T DO THIS FROM MEMORY SO AND THEN, ULTIMATELY GOING THROUGH RTC FOR ACTION. THEN OF COURSE, OUR EXECUTIVE BOARD WOULD ALSO HAVE TO TAKE ACTION AS WELL. SO I KNOW THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT KIND OF HAVE TO COME INTO PLAY IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM BUT THESE ARE JUST BASICALLY THE CRITERIA ON BECOMING THE DIZZYING IN RECIPIENT. YOU MUST BE A GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY HAVE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO RECEIVE AND DISPENSE FUNDING. CLEARLY MUTTS DOES HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR OF THE GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEE, WHICH IS TEXT DOT SO WE'VE BEEN IN CLOSE CORRESPONDENCE. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH JENNY AND HER TEAM AS WELL AS THEIR FOCUS IN AUSTIN OR TEXT DOT AND THEN THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE CAVEAT. WE KIND OF HAVE TO HAVE CONCURRENCE FROM ALL OF THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PROVIDERS IN THE REGION. UM EVEN THOSE THAT ARE NEW, SUCH AS SPAN AND FRISCO AS WELL AS THE MPO OR REALLY, THE RTC WOULD BE ULTIMATELY THE ONES MAKING THAT , UM, APPROVAL OR SAYING TO WHATEVER THE DECISION IS UM. SO I QUICKLY JUST WANTED TO RUN THROUGH LIKE WHAT COGS ROLE IS AS A DESIGNATED RECIPIENT TO KIND OF JUST LET YOU GUYS KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE DO SO AGAIN WE RECEIVE. WE APPORTION THE FUNDS TO ALL OF THE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS. THE RECIPIENTS, WE GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS WITH ALL OF OUR TRANSIT PROVIDERS. WE GO THROUGH THE ALLOCATION METHODOLOGY AGAIN . SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EXACT. JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, SOMEBODY MIGHT NEED JUST MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE FUNDS, WHICH IS WHY FDA DOESN'T ABORTION IT BY PROVIDER. THEY DO IT TO THE REGION. BECAUSE EVERY REGION HAS DIFFERENT PRIORITIES. SO THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL HAS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED A POLICY THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SMALL TRANSIT PROVIDERS HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO CONTINUE THAT SERVICE, MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE LOCAL FUNDS THEY DON'T HAVE AND LIKE DART OR TRINITY METRO, WHERE THEY HAVE MEMBERS CITIES THAT ARE PAYING TAXES INTO HELPING FUND THOSE TRANSIT AUTHORITIES. THOSE SMALL PROVIDERS DON'T HAVE THAT. SO SOMETIMES YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FORMULA ALLOCATION, UM WERE THEY MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE ONLY GOTTEN LET'S SAY $100,000, BUT THEY GOT $130,000. THAT WOULD HAPPEN. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS WHERE ALSO THOSE THAT AND AGAIN BASICALLY WE'RE ROBBING WOULD SAY THE LARGE TRANSIT AUTHORITIES ARE THE ONES COVERING THAT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE RTC CAN COME IN WITH OTHER[00:25:03]
FUNDS TO HELP BASICALLY MAKE THEM WHOLE, AND THIS IS WHERE THE RTC WILL OFTENTIMES FUND OTHER PROJECTS OR CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR THOSE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITIES SUCH AS DARK OR TREATY METRO BECAUSE THEY'RE TO ALLOCATION GOT THEN REDIRECTED TO SOME DEGREE OVER TO THOSE SMALL PROVIDERS. NOW AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IF THOSE SMALL PROVIDERS ARE NOT SPENDING THEIR FUNDS, AND OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO REDIRECT THEM RIGHT BACK OVER TO DART OR TRAIN METRO OR WHOEVER CAN SPEND THE FANS SO WE DON'T LOSE THAT. AS A REGION. WE GO THROUGH THE PROJECT SELECTION. WE ALSO DO A SET ASIDE. WE TAKE 2% OFF THE TOP THAT WE RESERVE IN YEARS PAST. IT USED TO BE DONE FOR A CALL FOR PROJECTS. THIS WOULD BE FOR NEW TRANSIT SERVICE THAT WAS NOT ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE REGION. THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF NONPROFITS THAT HAD NEVER USED FEDERAL FUNDING, AND WE HAD LOTS OF PROBLEMS AND LOTS OF ISSUES AND EVEN SOME UNFORTUNATE COMPLIANCE ISSUES WITH BECAUSE THE SMALL NONPROFITS WE'RE NOT USED TO USING FEDERAL FUNDS, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE KIND OF , UH, I GUESS REDIRECTED THOSE FUNDS. WE CALL IT STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS. THERE'S STILL A SET ASIDE, AND IT'S STILL FOR NEW SERVICE OR EXPANDED SERVICE. BUT IF A NONPROFIT APPROACHES US, WHICH WERE STILL OPEN TO PARTNERING WITH THEM AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WE WILL JUST WORK WITH EXISTING TRAINS THAT PROVIDERS WITHIN WHATEVER REGION THEY'RE IN, SO LET'S SAY THEY HAPPEN TO BE IN IN, UM, YOU KNOW. DARTS SERVICE THERE. WELL, IF DART SERVICES, THEY'RE USUALLY PRETTY WELL COVERED. THAT'S A BAD EXAMPLE. WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN DENTON COUNTY. SO IF THERE'S AN AREA AND DIDN'T COUNTY THAT'S NOT COVERED BY DC TO OR HAS TRANSIT, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH TRANSIT. UM WE WOULD WORK WITH THE TRANSIT PROVIDERS. WE WORKED WITH DC TO IN SPAN TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF SERVICE THEY CAN OFFER, AND THAT SET OF SIDE OF FUNDS IS THEN USED TO THEN PAY FOR THAT INITIAL STARTUP SERVICE. BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE SERVICE ESTABLISHED. PART OF THAT FORMULA ALLOCATION, AS I MENTIONED WAS THAT BUS REVENUE MILES OR THAT TRANSIT SERVICE HELPS FEED INTO THAT FORMULA ALLOCATION. IT TAKES 2 TO 3 YEARS FOR THOSE THAT SERVICE TO SHOW UP IN THE ALLOCATIONS IN THE FUTURE YEARS, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE BASICALLY SEED MONEY IN ORDER TO GET THE TRANSIT STARTED. SO THIS IS WHERE THAT 2% SET ASIDE. HAPPENS WE PROVIDE OVERSIGHT AND COMPLIANCE. WE ALSO DO A LOT OF PLANNING COORDINATION. SO AGAIN. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TRANSIT STUDIES HERE RECENTLY. WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS INCLUDED IN OUR LONG RANGE PLAN AS WELL AS OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT HUMAN SERVICES PLAN, WHICH IS REQUIRED. IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS OUR ACCESS OR TEXAS PLAN. UM SO LET'S GET DOWN TO THE CRUX DOESN'T MATTER.WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IF MCKINNEY OR MUT BECOMES A DOZEN IT RECIPIENT VERSUS IS A DIRECT RECIPIENT ON THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENTS. YOU GUYS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTERING ALL OF THOSE FDA PROGRAMS. HE WOULD ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING SOME RECIPIENTS, SO LET'S SAY AGAIN IF FRISCO COULD BE A SUB RECIPIENT OF YOURS, AS WELL AS SPAN BECAUSE THEY HAVE SERVICE IN THE AREA. SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS NOW YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OVERSIGHT AND COMPLIANCE TO ENSURE SPAN AND FRISCO ARE ADHERING TO ALL OF THE EFTA REQUIREMENTS. SO IT'S PRETTY DETAILED AND IT GETS INVOLVED. YOU GUYS WOULD ALSO BE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR IDENTIFYING SELECTING ALL THE PROJECTS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, SUBMITTING ALL THE GREAT APPLICATIONS WITH TO AND GOING THROUGH YOUR TRIANGLE REVIEW AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
DIRECT RECIPIENT. IT REALLY WOULDN'T CHANGE FROM WHERE YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW. SO THERE IF YOU GUYS CHOSE TO GO THE DIRECT RECIPIENT ROUND, YOU WOULD STILL BASICALLY FOLLOW THE EXACT SAME PROCESS YOU'VE BEEN DOING WITH TECH STOPS SO YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO MANAGE YOUR OWN FUNDING . YOU WOULD ACTUALLY THEN GAIN MORE REPRESENTATION ON THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL.
AH AND THEN YOU THINK THE BIGGEST THING HERE IS, UH RIGHT NOW FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU WERE SMALL URBAN PROVIDER BEFORE YOU HAD ACCESS TO STATE FUNDING, AND THAT STATE FUNDING WAS USED AS YOUR MATCH FOR YOUR FEDERAL FUNDS BECAUSE, OF COURSE, WITH FEDERAL FUNDING, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A MATCH REQUIREMENT. SO THE THING IS, IF YOU GUYS MAINTAIN THIS DIRECT RECIPIENT STATUS TEXT DOT HAS BASICALLY WHAT IN SO MANY WORDS, THEY'RE CALLING IT A WORK AROUND THAT YOU GUYS WOULD MAINTAIN THAT ACCESS TO THOSE STATE FUNDS, WHICH IS AGAIN IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT HELPS SERVE AS YOUR MATCH REQUIREMENT FOR THE FEDERAL FUNDS AND SO AND THE EXAMPLE AGAIN WOULD BE LIKE IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE TO LIKE WHAT ARLINGTON AND GRAND PRAIRIE ARE AND THE DFW ARLINGTON. YOU SEE A SO JUST QUICKLY 2010 AGAIN F T A HEATHER ANNUAL ALLOCATION FOR MCKENNEY TEXT DOT WAS THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT. YOU GUYS WERE THE DIRECTOR RECIPIENTS. SO THE 2020 IF WE FOLLOW THE SAME CONSISTENT PROCESS, EFTA DOES THE REPORT SHIPMENTS. THE DEADLY RECIPIENT IS COG OR THE RTC AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE THE DIRECTOR RECIPIENTS. UH FOR THAT FOR THOSE FUNDS. SO BASICALLY OUR NEXT STEPS IS WE NEED TO FINALIZE THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT FOR THE REGION. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON DETERMINING THE IMPACT OF THE CHANGES OF THE
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FUNDING. WE ARE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS RIGHT NOW NOW THAT THE BOUNDARIES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED , WE'RE GOING THROUGH, UM, BASICALLY HOW WE'RE APPORTIONING THOSE FUNDS MOVING FORWARD, SO WE'RE DOING IT IN A VERY OPEN AND TRANSPARENT MANNER. YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AS PART OF THAT BECAUSE WE ULTIMATELY WANT THE RTC TO APPROVE THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE ADOPT BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT. THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE ADOPT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN SO MANY WORDS STUCK WITH FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, SO NOT TO SAY THAT IT CAN'T CHANGE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT SO THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. NOW IT'LL BE OVER THE SUMMER INTO THE FALL TIME FRAME. AHEAD OF THOSE FISCAL YEAR 24 APPORTIONMENT BECAUSE AGAIN THOSE WON'T BE ANNOUNCED UNTIL THAT JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIME FRAME WITH 24, SO WE HAVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO FIGURE OUT THOSE IMPACTS ON FUNDING. AND THEN, OF COURSE, ONCE WE DO THAT WOULD BE THE SUB ALLOCATION OF THOSE FUNDS WITH THE TRANSIT PROVIDERS WITHIN THE NEW U Z. A UM SO I BELIEVE THAT IS GOING TO BE THE END AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I KNEW I THREW A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS REPEAT ALL THAT AGAIN FOR ME. SO YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, DO YOU, SIR? AVERAGE WAS SMALL COMMUNITIES HAVE NO MORE TO BE PART OF YOUR FUTURE. THIS PROBLEM. MY UNDERSTANDING IS GOING TO BE THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. YEAH. IS THAT YOUR SO THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO REACH OUT TO COLLIN COUNTY ABOUT GETTING A REAL TRANSIT DISTRICT SO WE COULD ACCESS THOSE 53 11 FUNDS AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICE. I KNOW THAT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE M UTD, YOU KNOW, DON'T DON'T WANT TO PULL THE SERVICE FROM FROM THOSE RIDERS.WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE COST OF THAT SERVICES AND MAYBE TRY AND RECOUP. THAT THAT AGAIN WOULD BE A DECISION FOR THE UTD, OR WE COULD CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT COLLIN COUNTY WOULD PICK IT UP AS SOON AS THEY WERE RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DECISION POINTS FOR THE M UTD TO MAKE SO THAT THOSE THOSE WRITERS, YOU KNOW, DON'T LOSE SERVICE. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. OUR QUESTION ON. STUDIES DONE BEFORE SEPTEMBER 13TH. ONE IS THAT YOU ALREADY HAD A SECRET STRENGTH. IT WOULD BE PERFECT IF IT COULD BE DONE BY SEPTEMBER. 30TH SO DEFINITELY, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR THAT. UM SO WE HAD A CALL. MAYBE ABOUT TWO OR TWO MONTHS AGO WITH MICHAEL, OUR DIRECTOR, AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER WEBB, WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THE RTC IN COLLIN COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND, UM THEY'RE THEY'RE ON ALERT. I KNOW . JENNY YOU'VE REACHED OUT TO YOUR COMMISSION COMMISSIONER HAIL TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT AND SO AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT A COG LIGHT THING. IT WILL BE AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. SO I THINK THIS IS WHERE YOU KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ENGAGING YOUR YOUR COMMISSIONER IN THE JUDGE TO ENSURE THAT THEY GET THIS MOVED FORWARD. UM BECAUSE TEXT DID SEND OVER. I DIDN'T REALIZE JUST QUITE HOW INVOLVED IT IS SO I DON'T KNOW. I THINK YOU WOULD POSE THE QUESTION, JENNY THAT SINCE ONE WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED YEARS AGO, BUT THEN IT WENT AWAY. DO WE STILL HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH ALL THOSE HOOPS TO GET A NEW ONE ESTABLISHED AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE RESPONDED. THEY THE ANSWER WAS YES. SO THEY GOT GOOD RESEARCH THAT AND BUT BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUSH BACK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND TRY AND MAKE SURE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD FOR YOU, SHANNON, SINCE WE'RE BOTH HERE, SO IF MCKINNEY YOU SAID MCKINNEY IS THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT THAT WE CAN STILL ACCESS THOSE STATE FUNDS. IF WE'RE THE DIRECT RECIPIENT, CAN WE STILL AROUND? SO FOR THE DIRECTORY SYSTEM, OKAY, SO THAT THAT WAS ONE THING THAT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF IS THAT WE COULD NO MATTER WHAT WE DID. WE COULD ACCESS THOSE STATE FUNDS FOR MATCH IT. WE MIGHT WE MIGHT NEED TO REACH OUT TO TEXAS. I JUST UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A LOT EASIER IF YOU'RE THE DIRECT RECIPIENT FOR THAT TO CONTINUE BECAUSE THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF COG OR THE RTC IS THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT. THAT AGAIN. WE'RE SORT OF OVERSEEING FOR THAT WHOLE AREA AND THEN YOU GUYS BECAUSE THE WHOLE AREA IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE STATE FUNDS . SO IT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU GUYS WERE ALREADY IN OR PART OF THAT . SO THERE ARE SOME NUANCES OR SOME CAVEATS THAT IF FRISCO HAPPENS TO DESIGNATE THE MUT AS THEIR URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT THAN FRISCO COULD POTENTIALLY GET SOME STATE FUNDING AS WELL, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INCREASING A HUGE AMOUNT. SO WE JUST MET WITH HIM THIS MORNING.
APPARENTLY THERE'S A CAP, I GUESS FOR THE URBAN AREAS THAT TAX DOT DOES. AND I THINK IT WAS 300,000 AND I THINK, MCKINNEY YOU GUYS ARE LIKE WHAT 2 70 ISH . SO REALLY, IT WOULD ONLY BE AN
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INCREMENTAL INCREASE OF THAT 30,000 THAT WOULD BE UM, IF WE ADDED FRISCO IN ON THAT, AND SO , UM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP AT THE LOCAL LEVEL BETWEEN MCKINNEY AND FRISCO. HOW YOU GUYS WOULD THEN SPLIT THE FUNDS AND THEN ASSUMING MAYBE FRISCO HAS A SEAT ON THE BOARD, OR I DON'T KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WOULD KIND OF COME INTO PLAY. AT THAT POINT, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT CLEAR. I GUESS FROM ART FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT CLEANER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE DFW ARLINGTON. THAT AGAIN. FRISCO TOUCHES AND SO FOR LIKE, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR FRISCO. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM A SIMPLICITY SAKE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER AND THE FACT THAT FRISCO WITHIN ONLY BE DEALING WITH COGNITIVE DESIGNATE RECIPIENT, BUT THEY CAN STILL WORK WITH YOU GUYS AS THE URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT IF THEY DECIDED TO GO THAT DIRECTION, SO ONE QUESTION I'M GOING TO JUMP IN ON BEHALF OF THE M UTD. SO IF THE COG IS THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT AND ALL OF THE FUNDS FOR THE DFW C, A.AND DENTON LEWISVILLE, USUALLY A AND MCKINNEY FRISCO USED TO GO TO COBB DO THOSE FUNDS THAT ARE APPORTIONED THAT WOULD NATURALLY BE APPORTIONED TO THE MCKINNEY, FRISCO. YOU SEE, I DO. THEY REMAIN IN OUR USUAL OR IS IT UP FOR GRABS EVERYONE SO THEY WOULD REMAIN SO THE SERVICE WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE UC, A OF WHICH, THEN IT'S PROGRAMMED FOR SO LIKE FOR THE DIDN'T LEWISVILLE, IT'S ALL IN THE DENTON LEWISVILLE, UH, USED TO AND IT'S STILL NONE OF IT COMES INTO THE DFW AREAS, SO IT DOES STAY WITHIN EACH OF THE URBAN AREAS. SO UM, TWO OBSERVATIONS AND ONE QUESTION WHOEVER DREW THAT MAP HATES BRISCOE. WE WERE REALLY SURPRISED TO SEE FRISCO IN THAT AT ALL. SO UM, OTHER OBSERVATION IS IT SEEMS TO ME, SIR, THAT WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET THAT RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT TO WE'RE LEAVING TOO MANY PEOPLE OUT WOULD I WANT TO GET A SENSE OF FROM YOU GUYS AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TODAY. BUT I WANT TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD OF US GETTING THOSE TEXT TEXT FUNDING IN ORDER TO DO THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS ARE GOOD AT THAT. LIKE THAT . AND MY QUESTION IS, UH IT SEEMS SO WE'VE GOT. KIND OF A RELATIVELY BINARY CHOICE BETWEEN MUTV BEING THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT OR COG. MY INCLINATION IS TO LISTEN TO OUR STAFF TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT. MY INCLINATION IS I LEAN TOWARDS YOU GUYS DOING IT. WHEN DO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT VOTED ON AND DONE? UM SO YOU KNOW, I THINK AGAIN, WE WERE STARTING TO PRESENT IT TO ALL OF OUR COMMITTEES AT THE END OF JULY, SO I THINK WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT NOT A TON OF TIME SO AND AT THAT TIME, THOSE WOULD JUST BE INFORMATION . SO IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM. AND SO THE ACTION ITEM IS SEPTEMBER AUGUST FOR RTC. SEPTEMBER WE WOULD BE SEEKING RTC, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE ULTIMATE, YOU KNOW. WE'RE ALL IS SEPTEMBER LIKE EARLY SEPTEMBER, COUPLE MONTHS IN ORDER TO FIGURE THAT OUT. YES, SIR. YES THANK YOU. YEAH UM I DID WANT TO MENTION WE IN CONVERSATION BACK AT THE COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS AND TALKING WITH OUR ATTORNEYS AND ALL THE OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE KIND OF THAT PLACE, SO THERE'S A WHOLE TEAM OF FOLKS. IN FACT, I DID WANT TO MENTION I'VE GOT GYPSY GHARBIA IN BOBBY GOMEZ WITH ME. WHO HAVE BEEN HELPING SORT OF SIFT THROUGH ALL OF THE INFORMATION FOR US AS WELL AS WE AGAIN A WHOLE HOST OF POST PACKET CARD WORKING ON THIS, BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS AND MAYOR. YOU SEE THIS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME AT THE RTC THAT THERE COULD BE SOME ASSURANCES FOR THE M UTD THAT YOU KNOW IF THERE'S WORRY THAT YOU KNOW YOU GUYS MIGHT BE GIVING UP EITHER CONTROL OR YOU MIGHT LOSE FUNDING. THAT THE RTC YOU KNOW, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME COULD COME IN AND HELP MAKE YOU WHOLE WITH OTHER TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS OR OTHER FUNDING. UM, BUT AGAIN AS TALKING WITH JENNY AND THEN TAXED DOT MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT NOW YOU GUYS STILL HAVE QUITE A BIT OF FUNDING. I THINK YOU GUYS WERE JUST WORKING ON 2018 FUNDS. UM, AND THEN I DID. YEAH, IT'S SO I THINK YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES MORE MONEY JUST ISN'T MORE MONEY, SO I JUST IT JUST COME WITH SOME OTHER STRINGS ATTACHED TO IT, BUT I REALIZE YOU KNOW, IT'S A DECISION THAT YOU KNOW YOU GUYS MAY WANT TO JUST DISCUSS FURTHER IN IF WE HAVE IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK OR EVEN YOU KNOW, OUR DIRECTOR MICHAEL IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY VERY WELL VERSED IN THIS AS WELL AND IN HAPPY TO COME PRESENT AS WELL. SO UM, BUT AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HAVING US OUT TODAY. SO, UM, YES, SIR. WITH THE REDRAWING OF THE MAP AND MCKINNEY REDESIGNATION. HOW DOES THIS CHANGE THE REPRESENTATION ON THE RTS, THE RTC AND THE OTHER DOES A CLUSTER GROUPS BREAKDOWN AT ALL? BECAUSE I'M WONDERING AT WHAT POINT DO WE GET REGULAR
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REPRESENTATION IN OUR OWN CITY ON THE RTC? YEAH SO BY THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS BUMPED UP TO A LARGE URBAN EASY A THAT WILL GAIN YOU A SEAT. UM FROM ACTUALLY PRINCETON. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING WE'RE OUT AND WE WANT TO KNOW AT WHAT POINT DO WE GET REPRESENTATION OUTSIDE THE CLUSTER GROUP SO I CAN GET BACK WITH YOU ON THE BYLAWS ON THAT AGAIN. THIS IS WHERE SORT OF WE'VE HAD OUR ATTORNEYS PART OF THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN AGAIN LOOKING AT THE BYLAWS ON WHAT THAT LEVEL IS, AND I FEEL LIKE THE RTC JUST KIND OF AMENDED THAT RECENTLY IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, SO, BUT I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK AND GET THAT. I'M HERE MISSED IT. BUT WHAT WAS THE CRITERIA? FOR THE MAKAR MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT TWO TO MAKE THE CUT BETWEEN THE EXAMPLE OF THE SMALL COMMUNITIES THAT SURROUND IT, MAYBE ALMOST TOUCHING GROUPS OR WHAT? WHAT WAS THAT CRITERIA? YEAH SO, UM, THIS IS WHERE EVEN BOBBY HAS DONE. PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON THAT. SO IS IT 50,000? YEAH SO IT'S 50,000 FOR AN URBAN CLUSTER . IT'S 200,000 TO GO SMALL, LARGER. SURROUNDING AREAS, WHICH IS TRUE. JOBS. YES. SO THEY HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS THAT LIKE IF AN URBAN AND IT'LL BE LIKE POPULATION, THAT'S IT. LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD HERE THAT MEETS THE URBAN CRITERIA AND THEN LET'S SAY, I DON'T KNOW THERE'S A FARM IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. ON THE OTHER SIDE. THERE IS SOME AGAIN DISTANCE LITERALLY CRITERIA THAT THEY'LL CALL IT A JUMP AND THEN THEY'LL JUST INCLUDE THAT WHOLE AREA AS AN URBAN SO THIS IS WHY THAT BOUNDARY LOOKS LIKE A SNAKE AND IT GOES IN AND OUT IN AND OUT NOW ON THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY SIDE , LIKE WITH ALL OF OUR REST OF OUR FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS, LIKE OUR SURFACE TRANSPORTATION, BLOCK GRANTS OR THE CONGESTION MITIGATION, AIR QUALITY FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE. UM BASICALLY ALL OF OUR OTHER HIGHWAY FUNDING. THEY WILL DO SO THEY'RE IN FACT, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RIGHT NOW. DO SOME SMOOTHING SO THOSE BOUNDARIES WON'T LOOK QUITE SO SNAKY. IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SMOOTHER. LIKE YOU KNOW, OKAY. THEY COMPLETELY MISSED IT. WE NEED TO INCLUDE THIS AREA OR WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THIS AREA HAS GROWN BECAUSE AGAIN KEEP IN MIND WHEN THEY WHEN THEY DID THIS CENSUS. YOU KNOW SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WAS BEING PLANNED . YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO POPULATION THERE YET, BUT WE ALL KNOW IN THE NEXT YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AREAS ARE GOING TO EXPLODE IN DIFFERENT AREAS SO THEY DO ALLOW ON THAT FEDERAL HIGHWAY SIDE, SOME SMOOTHING OF THAT BOUNDARY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY FT A FOR THE EFTA FUNDING, THEY HAVE COME OUT AND SAID THAT THEY WILL. THEY ARE NOT ADHERING TO THE SMOOTHIE. SO BASICALLY AS THOSE URBAN AREAS ARE DEFINED BY THE CENSUS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE STICKING WITH AS FAR AS THEIR FORMULA FUNDING. SO IT'S A 10 YEAR CYCLE. YES, SIR. ALL OF THIS BASED ON FEDERAL STATUTE. YES. AND YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE ME THAT CONGRESS AND THE SENATE ALL UNDERSTOOD THIS. YEAH THAT MIGHT BE A LEADING QUESTION. THANK YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR TODAY. FROM A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE AS WE'RE ENTERTAINING THESE TWO OPTIONS. WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS FOR YOU GUYS? ADMINISTRATIVE WISE ADMINISTRATIVELY. THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENCE. AS SHANNON POINTED OUT, IF WE'RE THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT, AND FRISCO IS PART OF THE M UTD, THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA OVERSIGHT. I THINK STAFFS CONCERN IS KEEPING LOCAL CONTROL BECAUSE ADMINISTRATIVELY IT'S REALLY IT'S THE IT'S THE SAME THING. BUT FROM YOU KNOW, A SERVICE PROVISION STANDPOINT FROM A CONSISTENCY STANDPOINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT CAUSE BE THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT. YOU KNOW, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MONEY THAT WAS A PORTION TO OUR AREA WOULD STAY IN OUR AREA. YOU KNOW, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE LOCAL CONTROL AND I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE POLITICAL PEOPLE IN THE GROUP YOU KNOW, TO NEGOTIATE AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT THAT STAFF WAS LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO EVALUATE WHAT THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THE URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT WOULD BE AND REALLY HAVING CONSISTENT SERVICE . WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH RISK. OH THEY HAVE TRANSIT. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDING. SO THERE'S JUST 100% GENERAL FUND. AND WE'VE SPOKEN TO THEM THEIR CONTRACT WITH DC TO EXPIRES. BELIEVE SEPTEMBER 30TH. THEY HAVE A ONE YEAR RENEWAL. OUR CONTRACT WITH DART EXPIRES AT THE END OF 2024. WE HAVE THE OPTION TO RENEW SO REALLY HAVING CONSISTENT SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW , MAYBE THE SAME SERVICE PROVIDER HAVING IT AS ADMINISTRATIVELY SMOOTH AS[00:45:02]
POSSIBLE, I THINK IS WHAT WHAT WE'RE ALL AFTER, SO WE JUST HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. LIKE. IF I MAY . I THINK YOU KNOW WHY WE'RE FEDERALLY. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEND THE MONEY ANYWHERE ELSE BESIDES THE MCKINNEY, FRISCO URBAN AREAS, SO JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW, YOUR FUNDS MCKINNEY URBAN FUNDS FLOW THROUGH TEXTILE AND YOU GUYS ARE NOT NECESSARILY COMPETING WITH OTHER AREAS WITHIN TEXAS FOR THOSE FUNDS, ALL OF THOSE FUNDS THEN GET ALLOCATED BACK TO YOU GUYS. OR FLOW DOWN TO YOU GUYS AS A DIRECTOR RECIPIENT, SO IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR PROCESS. BUT GREAT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 23% 6. I THINK WE'RE DONE. THERE[Discuss McKinney Frisco Urbanized Area (MFUZA) Impacts: Cities of Melissa and Princeton]
WERE JUST REFERENCED BY DIED AT IT. YES, WE GOT THERE. UM, SO THE NEXT PRESENTATION WILL BE VERY BRIEF. BUT BASICALLY, UM, STAFF WE'VE WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS 2010. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. 2020 THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE PRINCETON, MELISSA WILL BE OUT. OF THE MCKINNEY FRISCO URBANIZED AREA. WE HAVE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE NOT COVERED UNDER THE URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT THAT WOULD LIKE SERVICE STAFF IS AND IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM AND JUST KIND OF REQUESTING PERMISSION. YOU KNOW, COG IS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL TO DO THIS, BUT TO REACH OUT REQUESTING PERMISSION TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY. TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONERS AND ASK AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE FORMATION OF A RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT SO THAT OUR CURRENT MEMBERS WILL NOT BE WITHOUT SERVICE AND KIND OF GET THE PROCESS GOING. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES. WHEN WOULD I MEAN? WE KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO START THIS AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS SEAMLESS SMOOTH TRANSITION, SO 13 PEOPLE THAT ARE IN MY JURISDICTION. MELISSA WHEN WILL THEY BE MADE AWARE? WHO MAKES THEM AWARE THAT THERE COULD BE AN INTERRUPTION SERVICE THAT THEY NEED TO START PLANNING FOR? THAT WOULD BE, UM, I THINK THROUGH THE DART SERVICE PROVIDER, OR YOU KNOW, STAFF COULD DO THAT AS WELL. WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH THE URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF WAIT A LITTLE BIT TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF THE TIMING BEFORE. YOU KNOW, SHARING THAT AND IT WOULD REALLY BE UP TO YOU. IF YOU WANTED US TO SHARE NOW. WE COULD DO THAT. BUT I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO PANIC EITHER BECAUSE WE ARE AWARE THAT FOLKS DEPEND ON THE SERVICES TO GET TO MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS TO GET TWO JOBS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM, OR THEY WOULDN'T BE USING IT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SOME MOVE SECOND* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.