Jul 06, 2023 Historic Preservation Advisory Board

[CALL TO ORDER]

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STEPHEN HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF JULY THE 6TH 2023 THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE SAID SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAD BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE SPEAKERS, CARDS, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE . THE BOARD REQUEST THAT WE ALL TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT.

FOCUS ON THE ISSUES BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND AVOID OVER TALKING THE ISSUE. WE WILL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYONE HERE, SO WE'RE GONNA SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO ON TO THE INFORMATION

[Downtown area municipal projects update]

AS YOU'VE ALL SEEN. CITY HALL HAS GONE VERTICAL AND SO THAT IS MOVING RIGHT ALONG. THEY'VE GOT COLUMNS OVER THERE. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF FUN STUFF. THE NEW PARKING LOT JUST SOUTH OF CITY HALL, WHICH WE CALL THE LOUISIANA STREET PARKING LOT IS OPENED UP DOWN THERE SO YOU CAN PARK OVER THERE. IT'S A LITTLE CLUTTERED WITH CONSTRUCTION WORKERS NOWADAYS, BUT BUT THAT DID LEAVE UP SOME ROOM SO THAT WHEN YOU WANT TO GO OVER TO THE FLOUR MILL AND CHECK OUT THOSE THINGS THAT THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE OPEN AGAIN, SO THAT PARKING LOT IS UP. AND THEN, UM GOSH, I GUESS IT WAS ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO. NOW WE HAD THE TOWN HALL ON THE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT OF THE FOUR PART OF THESE TWO PARCELS IN THE PARCEL JUST UP NORTH OF HERE. THAT ARE FQ WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF TWO WEEKS AGO. AND SO THOSE SHOULD BE COMING IN SOON SO THAT THE CITY CAN START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS AND WHATNOT ABOUT HOW THESE FOUR PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, SO OKAY? THANK YOU, PAULA FOR DOING THAT FOR YOU AS FAR AS THE WATER TOWER, AND SOME PEOPLE CALL THEM WATER TOWER SAID SOMETHING ABOUT COME DOWN, BUT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU MEANT. SO IS ARE WE GONNA? I MEAN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT REPAINTING. IT'S GOING TO BE YES , IT'S GOING TO BE REPAINTED, UH , DEFINITELY ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE REPAINTED. UM HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE IMAGE ON THE TOP IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW WHAT VERSION OF THE MCKINNEY LOGO STAYS THERE OR IS ADDED TO THEIR WHAT? THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT PART YET THAT'S STILL IN DELIBERATION. BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PAINTING THE FENCING AND STUFF THAT'S GOING TO GO ALONG IT. YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE SCOPED OUT AND DESIGNED FOR THAT? UM AND THERE WILL STILL BE LIGHT LIGHTING ARRAYS. AT LEAST THAT'S IN THE DESIGN. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS DESIGNED. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO PRICING IT OUT AND GETTING THE CONTRACT TO DO THE WORK YET, BUT BUT THE DESIGN IS GOING THROUGH WITH, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING THE WHOLE KIND OF LIGHTING THING SO WE CAN KEEP HAVING OUR LIGHTS UP THERE AND THAT WE DO NOW, TOO. OKAY DISCUSSION OLD LOGO VERSUS

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SO IN ROUND ROCK, TEXAS I KNOW THAT THAT'S AT LEAST ONE WHERE AROUND THEIR WATER TOWER. I THINK I MENTIONED IT BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY DID A LITTLE CITY MINI CITY PARK. SO OKAY, SO YOU MEAN THE PARK? YES I DON'T. WE'RE NOT AT THIS POINT, DOING ANY PARK AROUND. IT WERE JUST KIND OF IMPROVING THE LANDSCAPING STUFF. IT'S ALREADY GOT PARKING LOT THERE, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE PARKS AND REC. YOU KNOW, NOT AT THIS POINT. OKAY BOTH AGREE THAT WE LIKE THE OLD LOGO AND THE I'VE HAVEN'T NOTICED. IT IS THE SUBJECT OF LOTS OF TATTOOS. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO RENDER ALL THOSE TATTOOS. ALSO, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE AT MY RESTAURANT WITH THAT STARTED VERY BIG. DON'T HAVE ONE, BUT IT IS, BUT YOU'RE NOT IS IT'S THE OLD LOGO. THAT'S HONESTLY THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK HE WOULD BE UPSET. THINK MAYBE WE ALL WILL GO FROM MCKINNEY. T SHIRTS AND STUFF. I LIKE THE OLD LOGO. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I ASKED. I DIDN'T KNOW. I FIGURED THAT WAS UP FOR THE DEBATE. BUT THE OLD LOVE THAT'S COOL. IT'S CLASSIC. SO WILL WE BE BEFORE YOU MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO? WELL, THAT WILL THAT COME TO US OR WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL GET FEEDBACK? PROBABLY WON'T THERE'S A WHOLE TEAM OF US THAT ARE WORKING. IT'S RUN BY ENGINEERING THE PROJECT, BUT BUT YOU KNOW, WE GET FEEDBACK AND INTO THE INTO THE DESIGN. PLAYING THE OTHER PART OF PLANNING GETS FEEDBACK INTO DESIGN ANDREW FROM MAIN STREETS IN THE CULTURAL DISTRICT HAS FEEDBACK INTO THE DESIGN AND COMMUNICATIONS. SO THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE DESIGN ARE, UM UH, DIFFERENT AGENCIES OF THE CITY. YEAH, OKAY . YEAH. AND THEN WE CAN BRING BACK INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE FROM RIGHT. IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK LIKE A SURVEY FOR JUST LIKE PEOPLE IN MCKINNEY ? WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT YET. I CAN I CAN ASK. WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT YET. BECAUSE I THINK THOSE SURVEYS THAT YOU DID ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT WHERE BIG HIT WITH A LOT OF THE PEOPLE. IN THE CITY. THEY THINK THEY REALLY APPRECIATED GETTING ASKED THEIR OPINION ON THAT, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE WATER TOWER. MHM YOU KNOW, ON THE LOGO, THE LOGO. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT AND THE LOGO ON IT. SO I THINK MAYBE THAT WOULD YOU KNOW BE A WAY OF DETERRING ANY YEAH, I CAN DEFINITELY LAID ON THE TABLE AND SHOPPING. YEAH YEAH. OR DO DO WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT PEOPLE NEED TO VOICE THEIR, UM, DESIRE OR I MEAN, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THAT WE CAN DO IS IF YOU ALL HAVE AN OPINION, WE NEED TO LET CITY STAFF NO BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LOGO IS A BIG DEAL. LOGOS ARE ALWAYS A BIG DEAL, AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN SEE FROM FROM MILES. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT LOGO AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL TO PEOPLE EVEN ON 3 80 YEAH, 3 81 21. LIKE I KNOW PEOPLE JOKE ABOUT OUR MCKINNEY SKYLINE, BUT , YEAH, IT'S PART OF IT WITH THE LOGO ON IT, SO I THINK IT DOES MEAN A LOT TO PEOPLE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT IS NOW. OKAY WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT

[CONSENT ITEMS]

[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by Jan and Michael Sampeck for Approval of a Historic Marker for the Property Located at 614 North Church Street.]

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ALRIGHT AND GOOD EVENING AND I JUST WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING JEN IS HERE TONIGHT AND SHE IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, BUT TONIGHT I AM BRINGING FORWARD THE HISTORIC MARKER APPLICATION FOR 6 14 NORTH CHURCH STREET. SO THE J S BRISTOL HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1920 IN THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE. THE HOUSES, WOOD FRAME ON PIER AND BEAM. WITH CRAFTSMAN DETAILS SUCH AS BRACKETS EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS, AND THERE'S ALSO THE FULL WIDTH PORCH ON THE FRONT WITH THE CRAFTSMAN DETAILS AS WELL. HISTORIC MARKER APPLICATION GOES INTO ALL THE DETAIL ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY OF EVERY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND SUMMARIZE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JOHN S. BRISTOL SINCE IT IS NAMED AFTER HIM. IT WAS BUILT IN 1920, AS I SAID BY THE CONTRACTOR, CHARLES BRANTLEY, FOR JOHN S. BRISTOL AND HIS WIFE , EMMA. THE COURIER GAZETTE ACTUALLY DESCRIBED IT AS A MODERN 77 ROOM RESIDENTS THAT WILL HAVE ALL THE MODERN CONVENIENCES INCLUDING NATURAL GAS FUEL THAT CAN BE HAD IN OUR CITY. JOHN HAD WORKED FOR AND HE OWNED SEVERAL BUSINESSES IN MCKINNEY. AH IT WENT FROM DRY GOODS TO PHARMACIES TO GROCERIES . UM AND THEY HAD LIVED IN THE HOME FOR EIGHT YEARS BEFORE THEY SOLD IT IN 1928. AFTER THAT THE HOME EXCHANGED HANDS SEVERAL TIMES, ONE OF THE OTHER OWNERS OF THE HOUSE ACTUALLY OWNED NORTHSIDE BARBERSHOP. AND SO AS YOU'LL KNOW IN THE APPLICATION, AS WELL AS THE STAFF REPORT, HOME IS LISTED AS A LOW PRIORITY BUILDING. IN THE 2015 UPDATE ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT LOW PRIORITY MEANS. THAT ACTUALLY TYPIFIES A COMMON LOCAL BUILDING FORM. ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR TYPE. IT DOESN'T HAVE AS MANY IDENTIFIED HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS AND COULD BE MODERATELY TO SEVERELY ALTERED. WHILE STILL EXEMPLIFYING THAT DISTINCTIVE BUILDING TYPE. STRUCTURE QUALIFIES FOR THIS CATEGORY BY AGE ALONE, AND IT CANNOT BE DISQUALIFIED. BY ALTERATIONS. SUCH ALTERATIONS COULD ALSO BE REVERSED, AND IT DOES NOT PREVENT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE FROM BEING RESTORED TO A CONDITION THAT WILL QUALIFY IT FOR A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. AND THEN THESE PHOTOS, THE TOP ONE IS 2015. THE BOTTOM ONE IS 1985. AND THEN THIS IS SAM BORN MATT FROM 1920. AND I JUST BRIEFLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ALTERATIONS, THE HOMELESS OR THE PROPERTY ITSELF WAS MINIMALLY CHANGED. UP UNTIL 2002 MOST OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU SEE YOU WERE FROM 2000 TO WHEN THE THEN OWNER HAD ACTUALLY MOVED THE HOME A FEW FEET TO THE NORTH. WHICH ALLOWED ROOM FOR THE GARAGE. THAT WAS BUILT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THE ORIGINAL PORTUGAL, UMS AND THE RAILS WERE REPLACED, AND THAT'S ALSO WHEN THE SECOND STORY WAS ADDED, WHICH YOU SEE ON THAT BACK PORTION OF THE HOME. RIGHT AFTER THE FRONT PORCH. AND THEN AS STAFF. WE HAVE REVIEWED THE REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNERS AND FOUND THAT THEY MET THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR A HISTORIC MARKER. IT IS OVER 50 YEARS OLD. UM. AND THIS CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION . IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASSIE? OKAY I DON'T. I DON'T THINK THAT WE DO. WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE. AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO? WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET UP AND MAKE A PRESENTATION OR TALK TO US LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU? JUST SAY IF YOU'LL JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS JUST FOR SO WE CAN GET ON THE RECORD. JAN SAM PICK 6 14 NORTH CHURCH STREET, GUINEA, TEXAS. UM WE HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 2014. AND SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, UM, WE DIDN'T PLAN ON IT. WE JUST WALKED THROUGH AN OPEN HOUSE AND FELL IN LOVE WITH IT AND LOVE THE DOWNTOWN AREA, SO IT'S BEEN DEAR TO HER HEART SINCE THE MINUTE WE WALKED THROUGH THE DOOR. IT HAD BEEN IN HANDS OF A FLIPPER BECAUSE IT GONE INTO RECEIVERSHIP, BANKRUPTCY AND SO INSIDE THE SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE OUTSIDE. IT NEEDED A LOT OF HELP, PARTICULARLY UNDERNEATH, SO WE SPENT THE FIRST 2 TO 3 YEARS, INVESTING IN DRAINAGE, REASSURING THE FOUNDATION. UM. METAL PLATES TO KEEP WATER FROM RUNNING UNDER THE HOUSE BECAUSE

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SO WE NEED TO REPLACE NOT REPAINT AND WE LOVE THIS PLACE AND OUR GOAL IS TO BRING IT MORE BACK TO WHAT IT ORIGINALLY LOOKED LIKE. UM THIS IS THE WAY WE GOT IT, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO GO BACK IN TIME AND PUT THE RIGHT KIND OF WINDOWS IN AND TAKE OUT THE ONES THAT ARE 1980 WINDOWS OR WHATEVER THE BUILDER PUT IN WHEN THEY DID IT, UM AND PUT IN THE RIGHT KIND OF SIGHTING AND MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE IT DID. LOOK WE CAN'T REALLY TAKE THE SECOND STORY OFF FOR A LITTLE LIMITED THERE, BUT WE'D LOVE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND MAKE IT LOOK TRUER. HMM TO THE DISTRICT BECAUSE WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. MCKINNEY. SO THAT'S OUR HEART. IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT MATERIALS, THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER CEO A THING. GOING ON? UM YEAH.

ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME WE KNOW WAS SO INTERESTED IN READING THE WHAT YOU TURNED IN. DID YOU DO THE RESEARCH? AS FAR AS I KNOW? NO THAT WAS VERY, VERY THOMAS SHERO. DID THAT AND SO REALLY INTERESTING, AND IT WAS FABULOUS AND TO KNOW THAT IN THE HOUSE THAT'S OVER ON, UM TUCKER WAS THE COUSIN OF HIM. WHO WERE THE PARTNERS IN THE PHARMACY. I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE THIS IS JUST MAKES IT MAGICAL BECAUSE WE KNEW LIKE WHEN WE BOUGHT IT WALKED IN, AND I SAID, CAN YOU IMAGINE LIKE PEOPLE SONS MAY HAVE GONE OFF TO WAR FROM THIS HOUSE. I MEAN, WE JUST FELT LIKE THE HISTORY THERE SO TO ACTUALLY HAVE WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY ACTUALLY DID THAT. THAT WAS MY IMAGINATION. BUT WE DO HAVE A BOOK. NOW THAT TELLS US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED. SO, UM YOU KNOW WE LOVE IT. WE JUST LOVE IT AND THE PECAN TREE YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL BUT THE PECAN TREE IN OUR BACKYARD, YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF IT. IT'S LIKE FOUR STORIES TALL. AND WE HAD AN ARBORIST COME AND TRIM IT A YEAR BEFORE WE GOT £180.02 YEARS AGO FROM ONE TREE EXPECTING THIS YEAR, WE'RE GONNA GO WELL OVER 200. WE DON'T EVEN GET THEM. ALL THE SQUIRRELS GET A LOT OF THEM, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GOT. SO WE JUST WE LOVE IT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE IT LIKE HOLD IT IN TIME. I PRAY THAT THE TREE DOESN'T DIE BEFORE ME. THAT'S WHAT I'VE SAID. LORD LET ME GO BEFORE THE TREE BECAUSE IT JUST YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, SO ANYTHING ELSE NOT MUCH. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME . THANK YOU. I LOVE HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT AND EVERYTHING. IT'S EXCITING TO TELL THAT YOU REALLY LOVE IT. AND I LIKE HEARING HOW YOU WANT TO. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA FIX THE WOOD AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND STUFF, SO I THINK THAT'S EXCITING. AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. THANKS. THANKS. WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I LOVE MY CHURCH STREET IS ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF MY FAVORITES. I ALWAYS THINK IT'S SPECIAL, BUT WE LIVED.

THERE WERE A LITTLE CHURCH STREET. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. UH, OKAY. ALRIGHT SO NOBODY HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS TO DO WE HAVE A MOTION. YEAH MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER HAINES TO HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND PART, MR WEST. UM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND.

PROPOSED, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HEY NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO DISCUSSION

[Discuss the 2023 Historic Resources Update Survey.]

INFORMS. AND THEN THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OUT OF THAT. SO THAT'S THE MOST SIMPLISTIC OVERVIEW OF WHAT A SURVEY WOULD BE. AND SO THEN THAT LEADS INTO SO WHAT ACTUALLY IS A HISTORIC RESOURCE. UM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE SAYS THAT IT'S A CONSTRUCTIVE WORK CONSCIOUSLY CREATED TO SERVE SOME HUMAN ACTIVITY. USUALLY A MOVABLE BUT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE

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ANYTHING THAT WE THINK COULD BE SIGNIFICANT. ASIATIC QUESTION. IS IT OKAY TO ASK NOW, OKAY. SO YOU JUST WENT OVER HISTORIC PROPERTIES, HISTORIC LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC RESOURCES. SO WILL THIS SURVEY ENCOMPASS ALL THREE? SO WHEN LANDMARK WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE AFTER THE SURVEY. IF SOMEONE WANTED TO GO FORWARD WITH BECOMING A LANDMARK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S A REGULATORY THING. WELL I MEAN, SO LIKE, COULD YOU BACK UP A COUPLE SLIDES AND SO ANOTHER ONE, PLEASE. YEAH. SO WITH THE HISTORIC RESOURCE, SO THIS IS ALL PART OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES SURVEY, SO. THIS INCLUDES THIS ENCOMPASSES MANY THINGS OTHER THAN JUST WHAT WE WHAT WE TYPICALLY DEAL WITH. YES BECAUSE THIS WOULD DEAL WITH LIKE THE WATER TOWER. UNDER RESOURCES. YEAH, AND SO IS THIS SURVEY GOING TO LOOK AT RESOURCES IN ADDITION TO HOMES SO IT'LL LOOK IN, UM IT'S EVERYTHING IN THAT BIG AREA, SO I DO HAVE A MAP A LITTLE BIT LATER. SO IT WILL LOOK AT RESOURCES LANDMARKS ANY OF THOSE THREE CRITERIA IT WILL LOOK AT WITHIN THE AREA OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT ALL THE RESOURCES YES AND RESOURCES KIND OF THE BROADEST TERM LANDMARK IS MORE REGULATORY TERM. SO IF. IF IT'S A RESOURCE , THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IF IT COMES ACROSS AS ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SURVEYED HOMES. RESOURCE IS GOING TO LOOK AT HOMES THERE. JUST THAT KIND OF HOMES, BUILDINGS BUSINESSES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YEAH, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE BAR ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, SALOON TO SALOON, SO THAT WOULD THAT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL PLACE, BUT IT IS. IT'S ALMOST A STRUCTURAL RUIN. ACTUALLY I MEAN , BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF PART OF IT TOO. OKAY ALRIGHT . THAT LINE TO STRUCTURES COME TO MIND TO ME THAT BRITAIN RISKS TO SOME DEGREE AND ONE WOULD BE THE STORAGE BUILDING AT THE COTTON MILL. VERY LARGE STRUCTURE WAREHOUSE. IT'S STILL STANDING AND IN IT PROBABLY NEEDS REPAIR, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MARKED. UH IF WE HAVE ANY SKILL OR ABILITY TO DO THAT THE OTHER WOULD BE THE BARN AT THE KIRKPATRICK HOUSE. IN FRENCH PARK. THESE DESPERATELY TO BE RESTORED. DON'T THINK THE MONEY IS THERE, BUT IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE. THERE'S ALSO A TRESTLE ON THE EAST. THERE'S A TRESTLE ON THE EAST SIDE OF MCKINNEY. UM, THAT'S VARIOUS SIGNIFICANT, I THINK, UM I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT THE CROSS STREET IS. BUT IT'S OVER BY THROCKMORTON BETWEEN THROCKMORTON AND FIVE AND IT'S NORTH OF WALKER. IT IS AND THINK OF THE NAME EVEN. YEAH IT'S NOT . YEAH AND SO THAT WOULD BE FALL UNDER THE RAILROAD STOCK, I GUESS SMITH IT'S UP. IT'S UP NORTH OF THERE. IT'S PROBABLY

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THAT'S THAT FALLS UNDER BRIDGES. OKAY AND WE DO. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. OKAY BECAUSE KNOWS WHERE THAT IS, BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFY BEAUTIFUL AND THERE IS NOT. YEAH THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT THAT YOU KNOW REALLY IN MCKINNEY, OTHER THAN THAT ONE YEP. PAULA HAS DRIVEN ME MIRROR IT. UH SO I'M SURE SHE'LL FIND THAT AGAIN. YEAH I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU, FOR COURSE, ACCOMMODATING ME. UM SO WHY ARE WE SERVING THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES? THERE'S THE WHAT WE HAVE. SO THE INVENTORY THE STOCKS OF GETTING THAT INFORMATION. ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT WE CAN FIND THROUGH THIS SURVEY.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DO WITH THAT INFORMATION. WHAT IT CAN LEAD TO ITS INFORMED POLICY DECISIONS, SO IT'S ANTICIPATING REDEVELOPMENT PRESSURES, PLANNING DEVELOPMENT AROUND HISTORIC PROPERTIES, SO WE'RE MORE PROACTIVE, SO WE KNOW HEY, THAT TRUSTFUL IS THERE. YOU NEED TO WORK AROUND THAT THAT SORT OF THING. IT CAN ALSO LEAD TO DIFFERENT THINGS SUCH AS, UM NATIONAL REGISTER APPLICATIONS. UM HMM. EASY APPLICATIONS, BECAUSE IF WE KNOW THAT HOME IS A NEED, AND WE CAN HELP THEM, WE CAN KIND OF TARGET THAT OUT. AS WELL AS POTENTIAL HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT INCLUSION, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE FIND WITH THE SURVEY. JUST ONE OTHER LITTLE COMMENT. YES UM, I JUST THOUGHT I WAS THERE THIS MORNING WITH GOOD MORNING AMERICA PRETTY . IT WAS SIGNIFICANT THAT THEY MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THE YOU KNOW THE FOLKS FROM GOOD MORNING AMERICA. HOW HISTORIC OR IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY AND I MEAN, IT'S JUST KIND OF NEAT THAT WE GOT THAT NATIONALS RECOGNITION OF BEING ASKED OR ICAL HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND HAS A CITY WITH A HISTORIC AREA IN IT. AND I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT TO HAVE THAT PLAY ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. WORDS WERE ONE OF THE LARGEST HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE STATE. YES, I GET IT DOWN WINNING. JUST I THOUGHT THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT. THAT WAS HARD THAT TOO. THAT WAS THE FIRST THING, HE SAID WHEN HE THEY WERE DOWN THERE. AND THEY ALSO SAID THEY WANTED TO COME BACK AND SEPTEMBER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD HE WAS TALKING TO THE WELL. THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO DALLAS IN SEPTEMBER, AND HE'S LIKE WE'D REALLY LIKE TO COME BACK TO MCKINNEY. THEY WERE REALLY TAKEN WITH THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN. SOME HYBRIDS. PRETTY IMPRESSIVE THAT THEY REALLY THOUGHT A LOT OF OUR CITY. AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE SURVEYING SO THIS MAP KIND OF GIVES YOU THE OVERVIEW. UM WE HAVEN'T SURVEYED THIS LARGE OF AN AREA. KIND OF EVER SINCE 85. SINCE 85. BUT THE CITY WASN'T THAT LARGE THEN SO AH, FIVE. DID WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE COMPANY THAT DID IT? WE DID, AND THEN WE ALSO DID IT. IN HOUSE AT SOME POINT IN 2015 2015, AND WE HAD ANOTHER ONE IN BETWEEN THERE AND 2005. WAS THAT IN HOUSE OR WAS THAT THAT WAS OUT OF HOUSE? IT WASN'T QUITE THIS WHOLE AREA IN THE IN HOUSE. ONE IN 2015 WAS ONLY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME SINCE 85. THE ENTIRE AREA HAS BEEN SURVEYED ITSELF. SO IT'S A LONG OVERDUE. LOOK AT IT. AND THEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SERVING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE ARCHITECTURE. UM SO OF THE HOME OF THE STRUCTURE, IDENTIFYING STYLE, ANY KIND OF CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AS WELL AS ANY ULTRA ALTERATIONS THAT CAN BE KNOWN. UM YOU'RE LOOKING AT SITES AND OBJECTS. SO ANYTHING UNIQUE MURALS, SCULPTURES, ETCETERA. UM AND THEN ALSO PART OF SERVING IS GETTING SOME OF THE HISTORY AS WELL. SO IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF KNOWN HISTORY UM WE'RE HOPING TO UNCOVER ANY SORT OF SIGNIFICANT ASSOCIATIONS. THROUGH THE THROUGH THE SURVEY AS WELL. AND THEN WHO IS CONDUCTING THE SURVEY. SO WE DO HAVE HICKSON COMPANY AS WELL AS MEAT AND HUNT. WHO ARE SURVEYING. WE HAVE TWO OF THEM WITH US TONIGHT. WHO CAN? WE CAN ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF LATER. IF YOU'D LIKE. AND SO THEY'RE DOING THE SURVEY ITSELF . AND UM, YOU MIGHT SEE THEM OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEY'LL HAVE THEIR IDENTIFYING INFORMATION WITH THEM. AND WE WILL ALSO HAVE THE WEBSITE THAT

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AND SO, UM AS THE FIELD FIELD WORK STARTS TO HAPPEN. WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC OUTREACH UPPER, UH, INFORMATION GOING OUT THE FLYERS THE WEB PAGE LINK. WITH THE INFORMATION THERE. WHATEVER SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, AND THAT WILL THEN INVITE PEOPLE TO CUT TO SEND IN THE INFORMATION AND CONTRIBUTE. UM JUST TO COMPARE IT IF YOU WERE HERE IN 85 THE WAY YOU DID THAT WAS YOU SENT IN A LETTER. AND ANSWERED A BUNCH AND GAVE WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU HAD IN THE LETTER. NOWADAYS WE DON'T DO MAIL AND LETTERS. WE DO EMAILS.

SO WHAT ABOUT? UM SO THAT IS A LIKE RED FLAG FOR ME? BECAUSE THE EAST SIDE OF MCKINNEY, UM IT'S BEEN PROVEN THAT EMAIL IS REALLY POOR METHOD OF COMMUNICATION FOR THAT, AND IT'S I THINK THIS IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE FOR THIS TO BE THE LARGEST SURVEY SINCE 1985 A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES OVER THERE NOW GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE TO BE HISTORIC LANDMARKS. UM INCLUDING MY HOME. UM AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORS AND THERE'S A LOT OF, UM ELDERLY PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO SPEAK SPANISH PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE LITERATE. UM THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO A SURVEY VIA EMAIL OR EVEN ONLINE. SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE WHAT OTHER AVENUES ARE? THERE WERE ALSO DOING PUBLIC OUTREACH EVENTS THAT WILL BE COMING UP. WE'LL BE GIVING OUT THOSE DATES ONCE WE FINALIZE THEM COMING FORWARD, AND THAT WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND SPEAK. TO US ONE ON ONE AND DO THAT. THEY CAN ALWAYS COME IN AND TALK TO CASSIE AND I AT THE OFFICE AS WELL, UM AND WE ARE WORKING ON GOING OUT TO OTHER EVENTS.

CASSIE AND DESTINY AND I, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, DESTINY, SHE'S ARE DOWN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER. UM AND GOING OUT AND TALKING TO THE DIFFERENT GROUPS TO KIND OF GET FEEDBACK AND INFORMATION FROM THEM AS WELL. SO SO WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH IT FROM MULTIPLE AVENUES TO GIVE PEOPLE THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES AND THE FIELD WORKERS WILL BE OUT IN THE FIELD. YOU KNOW, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM THERE AS WELL. PERFECT. ALONG THOSE LINES. CONSIDERING THE EAST SIDE, ALSO CONSIDERING OUR ELDERLY POPULATION. RIGHT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ARE STORYTELLERS AND HISTORIANS AND WE HAVE A RICH ORAL TRADITION IN THIS CITY, AND SO ALLOWING THEM YOU AND A LOT OF THEM. YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THEM GO TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING. I THINK IN THE FALL IS THAT, UM UH ISN'T IT THE NIGHT OUT THE POLICE DOING NIGHT OUT. THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY WHEN NEIGHBORS ARE OUT AND ABOUT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO REACH IN A MORE INFORMAL SETTING A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE

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START SHOWING UP OVER. WELL UM, OKAY, SO THE FIELDWORK IS JUST MAINLY GONNA LOOK LIKE PEOPLE JUST WALKING AROUND TAKING PHOTOS. THEY'RE NOT GONNA THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. JUST TAKING PHOTOS, OKAY, NOTES LIKE THIS HOUSE HAS WOULD SIGNING AND 3/1 WINDOWS AND YADA YADA. OKAY COOL. WELL AND YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY HAS ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK GROUPS , YOU KNOW, AND SO IN OTHERS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ONES. I MEAN, IF THEY CAN GET A LITTLE, BUT THAT IS A GREAT WAY TO GET INFORMATION OUT THERE. UM AND HONEST, GOOD, LIKE LIKE, MALLORY SAID. THERE ARE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS. IF THEY SEE YOU OUT ABOUT YOU WILL BE TALKED ABOUT ON FACEBOOK. WHAT ARE YOU DOING THESE PEOPLE? I MEAN, IT'S REALLY A VERY INTENSE NETWORK. AND THERE'S THAT MEANS MORE PEOPLE WILL KNOW AND BRING US INFORMATION, SO THERE'S BOARD MEMBERS WILL. WE CAN FILL SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS, TOO. BUT I KNOW AND I THINK I THINK THE CITY MCKINNEY HAS DONE A REALLY OUTSTANDING JOB OF OPENING UP LINES OF COMMUNICATION, ESPECIALLY THE LAST YEAR, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WE CONTINUE THAT. REACH ALL OF OUR PEOPLE. YEAH. I'M I AM THRILLED THAT WE'RE DOING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR AT LEAST A YEAR. I THINK. AND UH, MAYBE PROBABLY LONGER. IS IT THAT LONG? UH HOW HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? I'VE BEEN HERE A LITTLE OVER TWO. OKAY SO AT LEAST THOSE TWO, OKAY, ONE THING THAT I CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE FOUR CONSULTANTS. RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I THINK INFORMED POLICY DECISIONS AND I THINK THAT IS THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE CHANGING A LOT.

IT'S GOING FAST. AND UH, BUT MY QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW, AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE DO THIS AND THEN WE COME UP WITH POLICY DECISIONS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE DID THIS IN 85 AND THEN 2015. WE HAD SURVEYS DONE. WE HAD HISTORIC PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED. AND WE AND WE TORE THEM DOWN. AND SO I'M TRYING TO. I MEAN, I WONDER HOW THIS WON'T CHANGE IT BECAUSE, BUT WHAT WILL THIS. CAUSE US TO GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS. OR UM, I MEAN , WHAT DO YOU SEE THIS SURVEY DOING SO IN 1985 WHEN THEY DID THAT SURVEY? UM THEY COMPLETED IT IN 85 GOT THE NATIONAL REGISTER. UH LISTING APPROVED IN ABOUT 87 88 AND THEN BY ORDINANCE ADOPTED THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WE KNOW IT TODAY, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THEY LEARNED FROM THAT WHEN THE SURVEY WAS DONE, THE CONSULTANT AT THAT POINT RECOMMENDED CERTAIN AREAS THAT COULD BE DISTRICTS AND I THINK THEY ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED LIKE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT, SMALLER LITTLE DISTRICTS. BUT THE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT DECIDED JUST TO MAKE THE ONE BIG DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE AND THEN NOT INCLUDE OTHER PROPERTIES. AND SO THINGS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THAT DID NOT BECOME DISTRICT BECAUSE THAT WAS A DECISION MADE BY COUNSEL AT THAT POINT TO ONLY HAVE THE PARTICULAR GEOGRAPHIC AREA THAT IT HAS HERE. SO WHAT CERTAIN WHAT THE SURVEY DOES IS IT GIVES US THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THAT OF WHAT'S OUT THERE, AND IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO

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YES UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BY IDENTIFYING IT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TORN DOWN, BUT I HOPE THAT WHAT THIS SURVEY WILL DO IS WHEN A PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED BEFORE THAT PROPERTY IS DESTROYED. IT HAS TO GO THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL STEP ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GO IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN EXTRA I WANT TO MAKE IT AS HARD AS POSSIBLE TO TEAR DOWN A PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED. HISTORIC OKAY.

LIKE I SAID, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE COUNCIL INSTITUTED CHANGES. AND SO THAT'S BUT THAT'S A THAT'S A LATER STEP. SO THIS SO THIS IS THE BEGINNING. THIS IS A STEP TO DO THAT AND THEN CREATE AN EFFECT AND MANDATORY REVIEW PROCESS PRIOR TO DESTRUCTION. AND I KNOW MANY TIMES SOME OF THE HOUSES WE ALREADY HAVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THEN SOMETIMES BECAUSE THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN VERY BAD CONDITION. THEY GET SCHEDULED FOR DEMOLITION FROM NEGLECT. NO, THE HOUSE NEAR EUROPE. HOUSE AT THE CORNER OF DAVIS AND BENCH. OR. EAST CORNER THAT ONE WAS SCHEDULED IN AND I THINK BEAUTIFUL BENEFIT OF THAT IS IF IT BECOMES COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS HOUSE IS AT RISK. INVESTORS CAN BE OFTEN FOUND AS IT WAS. IN THAT CASE. WE DID THAT ONE AND IT WAS RESCUED. AND SO IT'S AN ENCOURAGEMENT. TO THOSE WHO WOULD BE INVESTORS TO KNOW WHEN THESE HOUSES ARE AT RISK TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE FOR WORK. ABSOLUTELY PROCESS SHOULD ALLOW FOR INFORMATION TO FLOW FREELY. AND LET PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS BEYOND IT. WELL I THINK CASSIE IS GOING TO GET TO THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. IN THE END. SO WE DID JUST INCLUDE AN EXAMPLE SURVEY FORM JUST BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE NEVER SEEN A SURVEY FORM. UM IT WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW PHOTOGRAPHS ON IT AND THEN AS WELL AS JUST THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROPERTY IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET A SURVEY FORM? LIKE AN EXAMPLE LIKE WE CAN KIND OF READ. SO YES. SO THIS ONE IS THE ONE THAT THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION HAS YOU ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IN YOUR PACKETS. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE HISTORIC BUILDING MARKER APPLICATION PACKET. AND IF YOU LOOK IN THAT PACKET, YOU'LL SEE THE LIST OF LIKE BUILDING MATERIALS AND USES OF THE BUILDING AND ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. I FORGET WHICH PAGE IT IS AND YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE MARKER NARRATIVE FROM THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM

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AND THEN, LIKE WE HAVE JUST DISCUSSED THERE IS ALWAYS OPPORTUNITY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SURVEY PROCESS FOR BOARD AND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. JUST AS YOU'VE BEEN GIVING TONIGHT, WE WILL COME BACK AND SOURCE THAT FEEDBACK AGAIN AS WELL. AND THEN JUST GENERALLY, WE ARE OPENING UP ASKING, YOU KNOW WHAT SPACES ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU, AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT CAN BE BUILDING SITES, OBJECTS AND STRUCTURES. AND WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE SURVEY, WE DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SIGNIFICANT TO PEOPLE, UM FIRST AND FOREMOST. SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING AND WANT TO RELAY THAT TO US WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATIVE. I THINK WE DEFINITELY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT TO PEOPLE HERE NOW.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT TO PEOPLE IN FUTURE GENERATIONS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WON'T COME OUT IN THE SURVEY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW? AND THE MORE HISTORIC FORWARD THINKING BASIS. AND THEN, UM. THIS IS JUST WHAT PLACE BASED HISTORY CAN YOU SHARE SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO SLIDES THE FIRST TIME ASKING ABOUT JUST THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES. THIS IS ALSO ASKING ABOUT CULTURAL EVENTS HISTORY. WHAT ARE THE SIGNIFICANT PLACES EVENTS PEOPLE? THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S ALSO WHAT GOES INTO A SURVEY. SO IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, WE WOULD ALSO WANT THAT. AND THEN THE FINAL REPORT IS KIND OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. LIKE, HOW HOW DOES THIS ALL CULMINATE SO YOU GET THE DOCUMENTED INVENTORY? SO YOU GET THOSE FORMS ALL FILLED OUT. BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO UPDATE THE MAP. AS WELL AS HAVE THE RESEARCH RESULTS AND ACTUAL LAID OUT NARRATIVE REPORT. WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE'VE DISCOVERED. THIS IS THE MAP THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. YES THIS IS THE HISTORIC RESOURCES MAP THAT'S ON OUR WEBSITE. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS MAP.

UM SO I REMEMBER. I EMAILED YOU, PAULA. UM SEPARATELY ABOUT CHURCHES LIKE IF THERE WAS A MAP OF CHURCHES SPECIFICALLY ON THE EAST SIDE. IS THERE ANY WAY TO, UM LIKE FILTER THE MAP. I KNOW NOT NOW, BUT LIKE IN THE FUTURE. IS THERE ANY WAY TO DESIGNATE AN OBJECT ON THE MAP AND SAY THIS IS A CHURCH OR THIS IS UH, I DON'T KNOW, HOME OR A STORE. AND THEN FILTER THE MAP TO SEE THOSE THINGS LIKE THAT, SO RIGHT NOW, YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT BY COMPARING IT NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR VERSION OF THE MAP THE WAY TO FILTER BY USES IS ON OUR PLANNING, RESOURCES, MATH OR ALL IN ONE MAP, BECAUSE ON THAT THOSE TWO MAPS YOU CAN ACTUALLY SET UP THE USES OF THE SPACE.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL GET. IS IT A CHURCH? IS IT A HOUSE? IS IT A RESTAURANT, ETCETERA? SO AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT WITH THE CHURCH'S I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE LIKE LOOK AT LOOK AT SAN ANTONIO AND YOU GO ON THE MISSION TOUR, AND THOSE WERE CHURCHES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN, YOU KNOW? YEARS AGO, AND WE HAVE THIS THREAT RIGHT NOW OF CHURCHES BEING TORN DOWN ON THE EAST SIDE. I THINK THERE'S JASON TOLD US THERE WAS A GOOD NUMBER OF THEM. YEAH, THERE'S THAT ARE IN DANGER. AND THAT'S THAT WILL BE SIGNIFICANT TO FUTURE GENERATIONS. THIS IS HOW PEOPLE OPERATED. THIS IS HOW PEOPLE WORSHIP. THESE ARE THEIR BELIEF SYSTEMS. WELL HOLD CULTURE ON THE AND THERE WAS PART OF OUR THAT IS PART OF OUR CITY. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE CURRENTLY, UM I AM THE PERSON TO CONTACT. UM AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE CONTACT PLANNING EMAIL IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE FUNNELING EVERYONE TO JUST SO IT DOESN'T GET LOST IN MY PERSONAL INBOX. UM BUT I AM THE PERSON WHO IS FILTERING ALL THE QUESTIONS

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YOU CAN ALWAYS CONTACT ME TO SET UP A MEETING OR IF YOU'RE THIS, YOU JUST NEED TO SEND ME SOMETHING QUICKLY. YOU CAN ALWAYS EMAIL. UM WHICHEVER ONE IS MOST CONVENIENT TO YOU. AND, UM. I WOULD SAY BE ON THE LIST SERVE WHICH Y'ALL ALREADY ON THE LIST ARE BUT IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED, HAVE THEM PUT GET ONTO THE LIST. SERVE ON NOTIFY ME ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

BECAUSE ONCE THEY'RE ON THAT LIST, SIR, WHEN WE SEND OUT UPDATES ON THE SURVEY, OR ANY ANY OF THESE EVENTS KIND OF THING, THEN THEY'LL GET THAT INFORMATION THERE, TOO. SO THAT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR THEM TO LOG IN TO GET UPDATES. IT MIGHT BE WORTH IT TO REACH OUT TO JAMIE. HOW'D IT GO? GO. UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT AND THEN THE HISTORIC MUSEUM KRISTEN KRISTEN , LEGACY KEEPERS COVERS ON THE LIST. MHM. CHRISTMAS. THAT'S IT.

YEAH, QUESTION. HOLY FAMILY SCHOOL ALSO HAS A LOT OF RESOURCES JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO HISTORIC. UM SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT EAST SIDE HISTORY AND, UM PEOPLE. THEN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. IF WE THE NEXT I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE NEXT MEETING WITH THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO OKAY? REGARDING DEMOLITION. HOUSING STANDARDS.

FORWARD. OFFICE CHARGE OF OBSERVING STATUS OF PROPERTY. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WELL ADVISED. TWO AND HAVE NOT SO MUCH INSTRUCTION OF THE HIGHEST STANDARDS GROUP BUT TO HAVE AN INPUT WITH THEM TO REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS BEFORE DEMOLITION OCCURS. HAVE THIRD REVIEW WITH US. THERE'S NOT MANY CATIONS. WE WORK INDEPENDENTLY WITHOUT EVER CONSULTING AND I THINK THEY NEED TO TALK WITH YOU . THEY ARE NOW THEY DO THEY CALL ME BOY. YES NO, THEY WE'VE ESTABLISHED A MUCH BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, AND THEY CALL CASSIE AND I WHEN THEY HAVE A PROPERTY SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, SO YEAH. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. I JUST WANT TO ASK HIM AGAIN. DO YOU HAVE SOME CONTACT AT ALL THE FAMILY OR UM, YES, I HAVE, UM THERE'S I MEAN, THERE'S SARAH THOMAS. SHE'S ON THE BOARD . PITTMAN DAVIS IS ON THE BOARD. UM THE EGGS, THE SCHOOL DIRECTOR. IS, I THINK KIND OF ROTATING RIGHT NOW, SO, BUT THE BOARD RACHEL IS A GOOD ONE.

YEAH, THANK YOU. WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM. ADD THEM TO OUR LIST. THANKS UM MCKENZIE AND CHRISTIE . DID YOU WANT TO SAY HELLO? LIKE NO, WE DON'T WANT TO. AH, YEAH, SURE. MY NAME IS MACKENZIE MACHUCA CULTURAL RESOURCES SPECIALIST WITH MEAT AND HUNT. I WILL BE LEADING ONE OF THE SURVEY TEAMS FOR THIS PROJECT. UM MY COLLEAGUE. CRISTI IS HERE WITH US TODAY AS WELL. SHE'LL BE WORKING ON THIS SURVEY ALSO. I CAN'T SAY THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH MUCH OF THE PLANNING OF THIS PROJECT THUS FAR, BUT I HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON AS MUCH AS WE KNOW HERE, NO IMMEDIATE HUNT. AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO HAVE THE SURVEY WORKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M HAPPY TO HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU. ME. UM I THINK QUESTIONS. OF COURSE. UM HOW DO YOU ANALYZE YOUR DATA? LIKE WHAT? WHAT? LIKE WHAT? I IMAGINE YOU HAVE QUALITATIVE DATA. I'M SURE YOU DO. BIT OF QUANTITATIVE DATA AS WELL. JUST TALK TO US OR TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DATA AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ANALYZE IT. ABSOLUTELY UM, YOU KNOW, HISTORY CAN BE A VERY SUBJECTIVE FIELD. SO WHEN WE GO OUT AND DO THESE KINDS OF SURVEYS, WE COLLECT OBJECTIVE DATA ABOUT ALL OF THESE RESOURCES. YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF CITING DOESN'T HAVE? WHAT KIND OF WINDOWS TO HAVE. WHAT STYLE IS IT? WHEN WAS IT CONSTRUCTED? AND ALL OF THAT

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SO HOW HOW WILL YOU GO ABOUT COLLECTING THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE A NEIGHBORHOODS? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO INTERVIEWS OTHER THAN I MEAN, I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME MEETINGS. HMM. YEAH SO SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE COLLECTING INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE EMAIL ADDRESS THAT WILL BE SET UP AT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH EVENTS, WHICH IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE INTENTION IS TO KIND OF TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF YOUR COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING. UM AND JUST HAVE A PRESENCE THERE AND HAVE PEOPLE WILLING TO, UM TO LISTEN AND TAKE THAT INFORMATION DOWN. UM THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE TAKING PLACE . TAKING PART IN THIS SURVEY WILL ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, TRAINED HISTORIANS. SO IF THERE'S ANY FOLKS THAT SEE US OUT IN THE FIELD AND WANT TO COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT THEIR THEIR, UM THEIR THEIR OWN HISTORY OR THEIR BUILDINGS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. WE'RE VERY MUCH QUALIFIED TO TAKE DOWN THAT INFORMATION. AND UM AND I BELIEVE THAT HICKS AND COMPANIES THAT IS THE PRIMARY ON THIS PROJECT. THEY'RE GONNA BE HANDLING ALL OF THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH, SO ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WILL GET ROUTED TO THEM, AND IT WILL BE USED. UM TO COULD YOU WRITE THE HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT, WHICH IS THE BIG BULK OF THE NARRATIVE OF THE OF THE REPORT, WHERE WE, UM GIVE A CHRONOLOGY OF THE HISTORY OF MCKINNEY AND THAT AND THAT INFORMATION PROVIDES CONTEXT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RESOURCES MIGHT BE SIGNIFICANT IN THE BROADER CONTEXT OF THIS CITY'S HISTORY. SO WHENEVER Y'ALL GATHER ALL THIS INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HEAR THIS IS JUST MORE LIKE A BROAD LIKE YOU SAID THE BROAD SORRY, BROAD HISTORY OF MCKINNEY. SO IF YOU WERE TO IF THERE WERE TO BE LIKE, ONCE THE SURVEY COMES BACK, THERE IS HISTORY ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE OR HOME AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT WITH THE SURVEY. OR IS IT JUST KIND OF LIKE THE MORE OF THE QUALITATIVE INFORMATION LIKE THE STORIES ABOUT WHO LIVED THERE AND LIKE MORE OF THE DETAILED THINGS LIKE THAT, OR IS THIS MORE JUST? IT'S A CRAFTSMAN BUILT IN THIS, YOU KNOW. SO THAT INFORMATION UM SOME OF IT WILL BE CAPTURED IN THE REPORT BECAUSE WE WILL BE IDENTIFYING RESOURCES THAT WE BELIEVE TO BE POTENTIALLY, UM, SIGNIFICANT ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, OR MAYBE AS LOCAL LANDMARKS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE WILL BE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT. SO IF WE COLLECT ANY INFORMATION ON A RESOURCE THAT WE BELIEVE TO BE SIGNIFICANT, THAT INFORMATION WOULD WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT IN SUPPORT OF THAT. UH AND IT'S ALWAYS GREAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT IS A CONSTANT SURVEY AND THERE'S THOUSANDS OF RESOURCES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOCUMENTING HERE SO WE CAN'T GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY ON EVERYTHING. BUT THE IDEA WITH THE REPORT LIKE THIS IS THAT WE IDENTIFY RESOURCES THAT HAVE POTENTIAL TO BE CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT OR WE THAT WE IDENTIFY AS A HIGH PRIORITY PROPERTY. UM AND WE CAN'T NECESSARILY NOMINATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE RESOURCES FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER RIGHT THEN AND THERE, BUT IT GIVES THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE RESOURCES ARE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK FURTHER INTO THEM. GOING FORWARD, IF THAT IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO. OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S AWESOME. YEAH I WANT TO POINT OUT JUST, UM JUST A DATE THERE. SO CASSIE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT HISTORIC PROPERTIES ARE 50 YEARS OLDER, OLDER. WE ARE USING 1975 IS THE DATE NO 1975 WAS NOT 50 YEARS AGO, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN AHEAD JUST A LITTLE BIT. SO WE'RE COUNTING UP TO 75? YEAH, DON'T DON'T PANIC THAT YOU'VE GOT OLDER THAN YOU THOUGHT OR SOMETHING. BUT BUT, YEAH, WE'RE USING 75. IS THAT CUT OFF DATE SO THAT WE'RE NOT BEHIND THE TIMES? BY THE TIME WE'RE FINISHED, SO ONE MORE ONE MORE

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LORD GOVERNMENT THOUGHT BIRDS OFFICE. AND SO THAT WAS BROUGHT BY ROY HALL BACK IN, LIKE 73 YEARS 75 OR SOMETHING. SO I'M NOT GONNA GO SO THOSE CAN ALWAYS BE DONE. THERE ARE THERE ARE OTHER TEXAS MARKERS THAT YOU CAN GET? YOU CAN GET TEXAS SUBJECT MARKER LIKE WE HAVE IN FRONT OF THE, UM REBECCA JOHNSON HOUSE DOWN ON CHESTNUT STREET THERE ARE UNDER TOLD MARKERS, WHICH WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY OF I. BR HISTORICALLY UNDER TOLD STORIES LIKE, UM, THE MAYBE THE HISTORY OF GRANVILLE LIVELY BECAUSE HE WAS A UNION SOLDIER IN THE CIVIL WAR, RIGHT, SO I KNOW THE HISTORIC SOCIETIES. WE'VE HAD SOME TALKS ABOUT THAT SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THOSE OTHER MARKERS. JUST THOSE ARE USUALLY SOMETHING THAT THE PROPERTY UNDER THEMSELVES DOES BECAUSE WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THIS SURVEY WILL COME OUT OF MAINLY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND THEN PROJECTS MAYBE THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO FOR THE H AND IZ. RIGHT YEAH, THE INFORMATION WILL BE OUT THERE, SO I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT OFTENTIMES THESE KINDS OF REPORTS WE DO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBILITY.

UM, AND THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE STATE, THE TEXAS STATE REGISTRY AND, UM LOCAL LANDMARKS. THEY'RE ALWAYS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE NATIONAL REGISTER IS. BUT THE NATIONAL REGISTER IS THE MOST STRINGENT. SO IF A THING IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER, IT'S KIND OF INHERENT IN THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT IT WOULD ALSO BE ELIGIBLE AS A AS A TEXAS REGISTERED HISTORIC LANDMARK OR POTENTIALLY A LOCAL LANDMARK AS WELL. OKAY, AWESOME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE. DEFINITELY THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. OKAY OKAY. OKAY NOW ITEM NUMBER 23 ANYBODY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ARE WE GOOD TO GO?

[Discuss the Home Recognition program & calendar]

WHO DID WE END UP GETTING FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHER? CATHY WARNER? YES. OKAY, THAT'S AWESOME. FEELS WEIRD SAYING, CASSIE. UH SO ARE THEY OUT TAKING THEY'RE TAKING THE PHOTOS NOW, AND ARE WE NOTIFYING DOING NOTIFY THE HOMES THAT THEY'RE THE PHOTOS ARE BEING TAKEN LIKE DOING A CERTAIN WENDY HAS BEEN ON TOP OF THAT AND HAS NOTIFIED ALL THE HOMEOWNERS OF THE KIND OF WHEN THE PHOTOS WERE BEING TAKEN. ON THE DOOR. I BELIEVE CASSIE WENT OUT AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES AS WELL, JUST TO GET YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT THE LIGHTING WHEN THE LIGHTING IS BETTER, THAT SORT OF THING. SO WILL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT BEFORE IT'S PRINTED? BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE. THAT THAT MAY BE A LITTLE HARD TO DO JUST BECAUSE OF TIMING OF WHEN WE HAVE TO GET THE PRINTER TO GET IT DONE AND PRINTED, SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK AND SEE WHAT THEIR TIMELINE IS AS FAR AS PRINTING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT HARD AND FAST DATE OF HAVING THEM IN HAND BEFORE THE 30TH SO THAT THE MONEY COMES OUT OF THE BUDGET CORRECTLY, OTHERWISE, IT'S REALLY UNHAPPY WITH US. YEAH. SEPTEMBER THEY'RE GONNA BE IN OUR HAND BY THE 30TH OF SEPTEMBER. SO IT DEPENDS ON IF IT WILL BE READY FOR THAT, APRIL. EXCUSE ME THAT AUGUST MEETING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WOULD YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO APRIL. THAT'S BACKWARDS IN TIME. SO MAYBE MAYBE NOT. THAT ALL DEPENDS ON

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