Oct 02, 2023 City Council Work Session

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YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON. TODAY IS MONDAY, OCTOBER THE SECOND WE'RE HERE ON A MONDAY BECAUSE

[CALL TO ORDER]

[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]

UNFORTUNATELY. THANK YOU. WELL, ACTUALLY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR ALL COMMENTS WHETHER THEIR AGENDA OR NOT, SINCE WE ONLY HAVE A FEW WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

PLEASE WATCH THE TIMER TO YOUR LEFT TO RIGHT. IT'LL TURN YELLOW WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT AND RED WHEN IT TURNS FIVE. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UM FIRST UP IS CARRY HAND. HI MY NAME'S KERRY. HAN I, UH I LIVE DOWN HERE OFF OF RIGHT BEHIND THE FIRE STATION OF CHESTNUT AND LOGAN. AND IF IT SEEMS LIKE I'M PREPARED IS VERY MUCH THE CASE. I WAS JUST INVITED TO SPEAK UP HERE ABOUT AN HOUR AGO. SO, UM I WANTED TO DRESS UH AND ONE OF KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME FACTS AND THINGS THAT I'VE DEALT WITH, UM GIVE YOU THE CLIFFSNOTES AND TRY NOT TO MONOLOGUE UP HERE. UM I, MY WIFE AND I JUST MOVED TO THESE LITTLE ZERO LOT LINE HOMES, JORDAN HOMES. THIS JUNE BUT AND THEN MOVED FROM FRISCO. UM TENDS TO GET ALL THE KIDS OUT OF THE HOUSE TO COLLEGE DECIDED TO COME BACK AND PART OF THAT 10 YEARS AGO, LIVED DOWN A COUPLE BLOCKS NORTH OF THE METHODIST CHURCH ON CHARGE STREET. SO THAT WHOLE TIME, THOUGH, HAD BEEN COMING BACK TO MCKINNEY. UH LOVE IT. PEOPLE HAVE ACCUSED ME OF BEING ON THE PAYROLL FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AT TIMES BECAUSE IT'S A IT IS UNIQUE. UM IT'S A IT'S A IT'S LIKE NORMAN ROCKWELL'S FANTASY OF WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY OUGHT TO BE. THAT'S UNIQUE TO NORTH TEXAS IN GENERAL, BUT SPECIALLY NORTH OF 6 35. I WOULD SAY. AH! MOVED UP MOVE BACK IN JUNE AND THE FIRST WEEK I'M HERE. HOW'S ENCOUNTERED MY FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH THIS PROBLEM THAT I'M EXPERIENCING? UM WAS, UM, MAN LYING AT THE COMMUNITY CHURCH RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE. UM RIGHT IN THE FRONT DOOR. THIS IS A WERE WEEKEND. THEY ARE AND I WATCHED IN THERE FOR A DAY LYING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR AND FINALLY BEING RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION. I JUST ASKED ONE THE FIREMAN. IT'S LIKE MAN. SOMEBODY HAS SOMEBODY CHECKED ON THIS GUY, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND HIS FIRST WORDS OUT OF HIS MOUTH WAS WAS WHICH I'VE HEARD A LOT OF WAS WELL, YEAH, I KNOW, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND I'M QUITE FRANKLY, I'M JUST TIRED OF HEARING THAT, UM, HE HE DID GO OVER THERE AND TALK TO HIM. AND SINCE THEN, I HAVE PROBABLY CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS, NOT EMERGENCY NUMBER. I WOULD SAY 20. MAYBE 30 TIMES I HAVE ENCOUNTERED MY WIFE SCREAMING LAST WEEK. LOOK AT THE BACK WINDOW AT THE STORAGE FACILITY BEHIND ME, PEOPLE DEDICATING, AH , PUBLIC URINATION USING AH, MY GARAGE DOOR IS A PLACE TO SLEEP PLACE TO GATHER, UM I HAD A GUY WOKE UP AT 3 30 IN THE MORNING. HAD A GUN ON MY FRONT PORCH. UM I WAS ON THE PHONE PLACE. I GOT PICTURES, VIDEOS OF IT. I DON'T GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT A GUN ANYMORE, ALMOST THAT THAT WAS ONE STEP AWAY OF HAVING A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. GOT PICTURES OF HIM LEAVING GOING TO THE FIRE STATION ACROSS THE STREET USING THAT DUMPSTER IS ONE OF THEIR TOILETS THESE AROUND ME, BUT THIS IS EVERYDAY. UM, EVERY MORNING EVERY EVENING. I HAVE AT LEAST 20. THIS IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE FOR ME. IT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN WHAT YOU'RE HAVING HERE AT THE SQUARE, BUT IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM. RUNNING THEM OUT OF THE SQUARE. TWO BLOCKS NORTH IS NOT A SOLUTION IN A IN A BIGGER SCALE. UH, PROBLEM. MY IF YOU INDULGE ME, 30 MORE SECONDS OF MY, MY, MY, UH, I THOUGHT THE WHOLE TIME I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS GONNA BE COMING. THIS IS NOT JUST A BUNCH OF LAZY POLICE OFFICERS. I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT. I THOUGHT THIS HAS GOT TO BE COMING FROM HIGHER SO THERE THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER SOURCE. WELL LAST WEEK I HAD WAS WOKEN TWO PEOPLE SCREAMING OUT MY BACK. AND WALK OUT INTO PEOPLE ARE JUMPING OVER BREAKING INTO THE FACILITY BEHIND ME, THE STORAGE FACILITY. WHICH I THOUGHT WOULD BE BREAKING AND

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YOU SAID CONFIRM YOUR SUSPICION . JUST GIVE ME ONE SENTENCE. WHAT IS THIS SUSPICION SO I CAN BE CLEAR ON WHAT THE WELL THERE. THERE'S NO THERE'S THE LAWS ARE NOT BEING ENFORCED ACROSS THE BOARD AND POLICE OFFICERS JUST PASSING THESE PEOPLE BY NOT GIVING A SECOND THOUGHT. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. THAT'S MY PROBLEM. THANK YOU. JIM SEWALL'S . HEY, JIM. JIM SEWALL'S 905 WEST HUNT MCKINNEY, UM, DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNER AND, UH, HAVE QUITE A FEW TENANTS, UH, 42 TO BE EXACT, PLUS 100. 10 OR SO AT THE ANTIQUE MALL, AND, UM ALL WE HEAR. PRETTY MUCH ON A NOT MAYBE NOW DAILY BASIS, BUT WEEKLY BASIS IS ABOUT AH FOLKS VIOLATING SECURITY AND I KNOW IN OUR CASE THAT WE'VE HAD TO CALL IN THE CLEANING CREW TO COME IN AND CLEAN UP THE BATHROOM BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ABSOLUTELY TORN APART. WE'VE HAD WHEN WE CALLED THE POLICE. WE GET A FEELING HAVE BEEN DIFFERENCE. AND UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT THAT MY SON WHO'S A LITTLE BIT HOTTER OF AHEAD THAN I AM, WASN'T PRESENT AT THE LAST ONE THAT CAME TO THE OFFICE BUILDING WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN WALKED INTO A BATHROOM. THERE WAS A NAKED MAN IN THEIR HEAD SOMEHOW HAD GOTTEN IN UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH HAS SECURITY WHERE YOU CAN'T GET UP THERE, BUT SOMEBODY LEFT THE DOOR OPEN. UM, I KNOW FROM TALKING TO NEIGHBORS SUCH AS CHARLOTTE BUSH THAT SHE GOES OUT THE BACK DOOR TO HERS, AND THERE'S A LITTLE INLET COVE BACK THERE THAT ARE BEHIND THE BUILDINGS, AND THERE IS A GENTLEMAN OUT THERE RIGHT AT THE AGAINST HER DOOR SLEEPING THERE , AND SHE HAS STARTLES HIM AND HIS GIVING HER THE AN EARFUL. AND SO SHE'S AFRAID TO LET ANYBODY TAKE THE TRASH OUT. UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE SITUATION . ANOTHER SITUATION. JUST LAST FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THERE WAS A LADY ASLEEP ON A BENCH DOWN HERE FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS, AND NOBODY'S STOPPING IT. THAT IS NOT THE IMAGE. I THINK ANY OF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PRESENT FOR COMING TO SHOP IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY AND THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR SALES TAX DOLLARS THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT COMMERCIAL VALUES IF IT CONTINUES. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A PROBLEM AND BELIEVE ME, THE HUMANITARIAN SIDE OF ME I'VE GONE DOWN AND FED PEOPLE UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE DOWN THERE AT I 45 I'VE GOT A REAL GOOD FRIEND WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT CITY SQUARE AND OTHER THINGS, AND I KNOW THAT THAT SIDE OF THINGS NEEDS ADDRESS AND NEEDS TO BE FIGURED OUT. BUT WE HAVE A CONCENTRATION OF SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED. TO PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP, AND IT'S COMING HERE AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THEM TO SOME OTHER PLACE THAN HANGING AROUND THE SQUARE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO INTERFERE WITH BUSINESS HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WISH YOU THE BEST OF LIFE WITH JIM. KATIE SCOTT. HMM. GOOD AFTERNOON . MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL MAYOR FULLER, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, I HAVE WITNESSED THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OF THE UNHAPPIEST POPULATION IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. SOME SIT AND CLAIM BENCHES ALL DAY WHILE OTHERS ROAM FROM STORE TO STORE. I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD TO CALL A NON EMERGENCY POLICE MULTIPLE TIMES, AND I'VE HAD TO FILE A CRIMINAL TRESPASS JUST WITHIN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. UM DO YOU TURN ERRATIC AND COMBATIVE PERSON? I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE POLICE ARE TIRED OF RECEIVING THESE CALLS AS MUCH AS BUSINESSES ARE TIRED OF MAKING THEM. NOW I MYSELF LEAD WITH KINDNESS AND COMPASSION. SO BY NO MEANS DO I WANT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY LIKE THE LITTLE FREE PANTRY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THOSE ARE ASSETS TO OUR COMMUNITY. BUT WE NEED TO DO IS TO BE PROACTIVE. I'M SEEING A LOT OF REACTIVITY AND NOT A LOT OF BEING PROACTIVE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS DIRECTLY AFFECTING THE SAFETY AND ECONOMIC SUCCESS OF DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. WE NEED SIGNAGE REGARDING LOITERING AND THE FIND THAT WILL BE GIVEN UPON VIOLATION. ALONG WITH SIGNAGE COMES ENFORCEMENT. WE NEEDED A CONSISTENT SECURITY PRESENCE

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IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO HANG OUT. UM AT THE SAME TIME, WE RECOGNIZE ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN STATED HERE AND HOW WHAT THE IMPACT NEGATIVE IMPACTS CAN BE WHEN THAT BECOMES A REGULAR OCCURRENCE AND STARTS TO APPEAR TO BE DOMINATING. UM OUR OUR DOWNTOWN IN OUR COMMUNITY, SO IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE. BUT THIS THIS UPDATE THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY IS AN UPDATE FOR ALL OF COUNCIL. UM WE ARE MOVING BEYOND THAT. VAST POLICE AND STAFF TO WORK ON ORDINANCES THAT ARE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW THAT WOULD ALLOW US AND EMPOWER OFFICERS TO DO MORE THAN THEY ARE EMPOWERED RIGHT NOW, SO UM I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I WILL MAKE THE SAME AND THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING, REST ASSURED, THE ISSUE IS NOT WITH OUR POLICE. IT'S WITH THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE EMPOWERED THEM. WITH PROPER ORDINANCES OR MORE. DEPTH AND ORDINANCES TO DO THOSE THINGS. SO IF THERE'S A BLAME, LOOK RIGHT HERE, NOT IN OUR POLICE.

UM. YEAH I WASN'T. THERE IS A PROGENY OF CASES OUT OF THE NINTH CIRCUIT FEDERAL CIRCUIT FOR THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE UNITED STATES, CALIFORNIA, OREGON AND WASHINGTON. THAT HAS STRICTLY PROHIBITED CITIES AND LAUNCH FORCE MINT OFFICIALS FROM REMOVING HOMELESS PEOPLE FROM PUBLIC PLACES AND. I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR EVERYBODY, BUT THINK OF HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS FOR YOUR LAWN FORCE MINT OFFICIALS TO GET CALLS TO COME OUT AND KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T VIOLATE THE LAW OF THE LAND. AND THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND WE HAVE CITIZENS WHO ARE SAYING WELL, THIS GUY'S IN A PUBLIC PLACE, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND THEIR HANDS ARE TIED. AND IT WASN'T THEIR CITY COUNCIL WHO TIED THEIR HANDS. IT WAS THE FEDERAL COURT OF APPEALS IN CALIFORNIA. AND SO I SHARE YOUR FRUSTRATION. IN THE ISSUE, BUT MAKE SURE IT'S DIRECTED AT THE RIGHT SOURCE, AND THAT'S NOT OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THANK YOU. YEAH, AND OBVIOUSLY BUT. MAYOR PRO TEM IS REFERRING TO IS THAT THING CALLED HUMAN RIGHTS? UM, BUT WE ARE, AS I STATED. THE AUDIENCE IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WILL HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THOSE LAWS AND THE LAW OF THE LAND. BUT WE DO BELIEVE THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, UH, PUSH THAT ENVELOPE. AGAIN WITHIN THE BOUNDS, BUT AS FAR AS WE CAN BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THE SITUATION AND I KNOW THAT EVERYONE THAT SPOKE HERE TODAY ON THE SUBJECT. UM IT'S UH. IT

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BUT THOSE ARE ALSO THE THINGS THAT ARE ATTRACTING HOMELESS TO BE HERE. THEY WANT TO BE IN A SAFE COMMUNITY THEY WANT TO HAVE. THEY WANT TO BE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE WHEN THEY PANHANDLE. PEOPLE GIVE THEM MONEY. WE'VE ENACTED SOME PROGRAMS THAT TRY TO EDUCATE MCKINNEY RESIDENTS ON HOW WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO HELP. WE ALL WANT TO HELP. BUT THERE IS A SMART WAY TO GIVE AND THERE'S A WAY TO GIVE THAT THAT REALLY EXASPERATES THIS PROBLEM.

UM NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY AGAIN. WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET AN UPDATE, BUT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THINGS TO GO FURTHER AND BOTH RESIDENTS BEYOND JUST EDUCATION NOW. TO HELP RESOLVE THAT ISSUE. AND THEN AGAIN, AS I HAVE STATED SEVERAL TIMES IN POWER, THE POLICE WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAWS, BUT TO DATE, THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY CAN AND THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT. OR ALL WILL BE DOING RIGHT NOW IS HAVING ANOTHER WORK SESSION ITEM ON THE MULTIPLE LAWSUITS THAT WE'D BE DEALING WITH. FOR VIOLATING THOSE RIGHTS. WITH THAT SAID. REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA? THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? STAFF WHILE THEY'RE HERE, BECAUSE IF NOT, WE WILL MOVE TO OUR WORK

[Update on Homelessness Response]

GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL CHINA TEAK AND DIRECTOR OF HOUSING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, SO I'M GOING TO BE INTRODUCING THIS TOPIC, AND JO ELLEN BERG WILL BE GIVING THE REASONING BEHIND WHAT THE POLICE ARE AND ARE NOT ABLE TO DO AND MAYBE SOME POTENTIAL THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE, SO I'M LAYING THE GROUNDWORK. HE'S REALLY GOING TO GIVE THE MEAT AND PROBABLY WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO HEAR. SO OUR POINT IN TIME COUNT STATISTICS AS A REMINDER, THIS IS ONE POINT IN TIME, USUALLY AT THE END OF JANUARY, WHERE HUD TELLS MUNICIPALITIES TELL CITIES GO OUT AND COUNT ALL THE FOLKS THAT YOU CAN FIND THAT ARE HOMELESS, AND IT'S USUALLY WITHIN A 12 TO 24 HOUR PERIOD IN THE DEAD OF WINTER. SO NOT THE GREATEST TIME FOR FINDING FOLKS WHO ARE HOMELESS OR HAVING THEMSELVES IDENTIFIED. BUT AGAIN. THIS IS WHAT HUD SAYS THAT THE GUIDELINES AROUND WHAT WE DO SO WE CAN LOOK HISTORICALLY IN 2019 , 2021 2023 OR TOTALS HAVE NOT GONE. THEY'VE GONE UP, BUT THEY HAVEN'T GONE UP THAT MUCH. THEY CERTAINLY HAVEN'T GONE UP ENOUGH OR TO THE EXTENT TO MATCH WHAT WE ARE SEEING. ON A DAILY BASIS. BUT THIS IS WHAT OUR PIT COUNT ARE POINT IN. TIME COUNT SHOWED US FOR 2023. WE HAD A TOTAL OF 223 INDIVIDUALS THAT WAS SHELTERED AND SHELTERED SURVEILLANCE, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, OR THEY WERE IN SHELTERED AND COUNTED. ADULTS ABOUT 76% CHILDREN 24% OF PRETTY EVENLY DIVIDED MALE AND FEMALE THAT THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. SO THE LAST TIME THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED WAS 2019. WE ARE GOING TO INCLUDE THIS QUESTION ON OUR 2024 PIT COUNT JUST KIND OF OFF TO THE SIDE JUST FOR MCKINNEY.

BUT WHAT? WHAT ARE THEY WERE ASKED FOLKS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. WHY ARE YOU HOMELESS? AND NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE NUMBER ONE REASON WAS UNABLE TO PAY RENT OR MORTGAGE. UM LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS KIND OF THE SAME THING. DIVORCE SEPARATION, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, AND IT SAID, WELL, NOT IDENTIFIED AS A CAUSE OF HOMELESSNESS, 34.8, OR ALMOST 35% OF RESPONDENTS AND COLLIN COUNTY STATED THAT THEY HAD EITHER A SUBSTANCE ABUSE OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUE. SO HERE ARE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS WHO ARE ON HOUSED IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS. WE HAVE AN OVERNIGHT WARMING STATION AT SALVATION ARMY OFF OF WILSON CREEK PARKWAY , AND THAT IS FOR WHEN WE HAVE INCLEMENT WEATHER AND TEMPERATURES DIP BELOW FREEZING , AND SO THAT IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN A MANUAL LABOR AND SALVATION ARMY. ALSO FIRST MCKINNEY BAPTIST, HAS OFFERED TO DO OVERFLOW, SHELTERING IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE MORE MORE FOLKS NEEDING SHELTERING, THEN ARE AVAILABLE OR ABLE TO BE AT SALVATION ARMY. WE HAVE LIFE PATH SYSTEMS, WHICH PROVIDE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RESOURCES ON A

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LITTLE OVER $90,000. AND THEIR PROPOSED RESPONSE BUDGET FOR FY 24 OF THAT 175,000. UM WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW INSTALLING SIGNAGE TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS THE FOLKS IF YOU WANT TO GIVE TO PEOPLE IF YOU WANT TO HELP HERE, THE SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES THAT THAT CAN HELP RATHER THAN GIVING TWO INDIVIDUALS DIRECTLY AND THE MEDIA CAMPAIGN CONTINUING LEGAL SERVICES FOR A CLEAR TITLE AND EVICTION PREVENTION. SAFETY TRAINING BIOHAZARDOUS WASTE CONTRACT. PERSONAL PROTECTIVE, UM AND TRAINING, FLEX PHONE TO NONPROFITS AND FREE TRANSIT SERVICE TO NONPROFITS AGAIN. THIS HAS BEEN A VERY POPULAR PROGRAM, SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THAT BE INCREASED FROM 20,000 TO $30,000 EACH AGAIN NOT TOTALLY UTILIZING THAT THE ENTIRE BUDGET SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM IN THERE FOR SOME OTHER PROGRAMS IS THEY'RE IDENTIFIED. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I CAN STAND FOR QUESTIONS BEFORE CHIEF ELLENBERGER COMES UP TO GIVE THE MEAT OF THE PRESENTATION. IF THERE ARE ANY DO YOU WANNA WAIT? LET'S WAIT.

IF WE COULD WAIT TILL THE JUST IN CASE CHIEF COVERS SOME. MAYOR COUNCIL CITY MANAGER. GOOD

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AND THEN TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CLASS C VIOLATIONS HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THAT THEY'RE REALLY NOT EFFECTIVE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS POPULATION. A CLASS C MISDEMEANORS PUNISHABLE BY FINE NOT TO EXCEED $500. NO MATTER IF WE WRITE A TICKET, OR WHAT ENFORCEMENT ACTION WE TAKE ONCE THEY GO TO THE COURTS IF THEY GO TO THE COURT CASES ARE DISMISSED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIND THE INDIGENT. YOU CAN'T PUT INDIGENT PERSON ON A PAYMENT PLAN. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF THEY DO NOT SHOW UP FOR COURT, THE COURTS ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE NOTICE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A WARRANT, EITHER THROUGH A PHONE CALL OR MAIL AND COURTS PREFER MALE. AND THEY HAVE NO ADDRESS TO RECEIVE MAIL FRONT. BUT AGAIN, EVEN IF THAT HAPPENED , AND WE GOT HIM TO COURT, THE CASE WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE DISMISSED. SO CLASSY ORDINANCES ARE GOOD, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT EFFECTIVE IF SOMEONE HAS NO MONEY BECAUSE THE PUNISHMENT IS A FINE SO WE RELY ON THINGS LIKE DISORDERLY CONDUCT. CRIMINAL TRESPASS WARNINGS, CRIMINAL TRESPASS, ARREST, AND THEN ALL OTHER OFFENSES THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT VIOLATE. SO DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR FINANCIAL STATUS IS, IF YOU COMMIT ASSAULT, THEFT, BURGLARY SO WE REALLY, UH I WORKED REALLY HARD TO COME UP WITH SOME POSSIBLE OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATIONS ARE CONSIDERATION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, UH FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THE TWO ORDINANCES THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH. AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE A SPACE BETWEEN THESE TWO BUT DALLAS HAS A MEDIAN ORDINANCE, WHICH IS BEING, UH KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM NOW TO SEE THEY THEY DID SOME RESEARCH AND APPLIED SOME SCIENCE THAT IT'S NOT SAFE TO BE IN A MEDIUM. THAT'S LESS THAN 6 FT. WIDE THIS REALLY WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THIS WOULD BE MORE ABOUT THE INTERSECTIONS AT 3 80 75 IN VIRGINIA 75 WITH A LEFT TURN, LANE CAUSES THE MEDIAN TO COLLAPSE BELOW THAT 6 FT. WHICH WOULD KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THE INTERSECTION. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE FOUND WAS SAN ANTONIO HAD A PRETTY SPECIFIC STREET PERFORMER ORDINANCE, WHICH ESTABLISHED GUIDELINES FOR BUSTING AND THEN ALSO CREATED AREAS WHERE THESE PERFORMANCES COULD OCCUR AND A TIME LIMIT ON THESE PERFORMANCES. THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY TWO ORDINANCES THAT WE COULD RECOMMEND THE ALL THAT WE DON'T THINK WE ALREADY HAVE COVERED. SECONDLY WOULD BE COMMUNITY EDUCATION CAMPAIGNS.

WE COULD START THIS WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREA BUT JUST BASICALLY HOLD EDUCATIONAL MEETINGS TO SHOW TO EXPLAIN HOW THE LAW WORKS WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS ARE, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD LIMIT SOME FRUSTRATION AND CREATE UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT WE NEED FROM THEM AS WELL AS WHAT THEY

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AND IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE HOURS WERE ABOUT 11 A.M. TO 1 A.M. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICER SOUND OF THE ASSIGNED TO THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE. THEY WERE 4 10 HOUR DAYS, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH 8 TO 5 ISH. UH, THE COVER, YOU KNOW, THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT OFFICER OR THOSE OFFICERS BEING OFF. I THINK I NEED A MINIMUM OF TWO ADDITIONAL ONES LEAVE THE ONE THAT'S THERE DURING THE DAYTIME. IT WAS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO GOING AROUND THE WEEK THEN WE WOULD NEED FOUR. MHM AND THESE OFFICERS WOULD ALSO BE SPECIALIZED IN WHAT RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE AND HAVE THE SOFT SKILLS NECESSARY TO DEAL WITH THIS. I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT ADDS TO FRUSTRATION IS YOU KNOW, JUST A RANDOM PATROL OFFICER FROM MAYBE ANOTHER SECTOR COMES OVER TO HANDLE SOMETHING, AND THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PERSON THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH . WE'VE HAD A COUPLE INCIDENTS ON THE SQUARE WHERE EVERYBODY ON THE SQUARE NEAR THIS PERSON TO BE A CONTINUAL PROBLEM, BUT THE OFFICER THAT WAS CALLED THAT NIGHT IT WAS THEIR FIRST TIME TO EVER DEAL WITH THEM. UM HOW MANY CRIMINAL TRESPASS CITATIONS OR WARNINGS HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS. ISSUED, YOU KNOW? I DO FOR THE CITY. I WANT TO SAY IT'S CONCERNING THE HOMELESS AND THE HUNDREDS DOWNTOWN. IT'S NOT THAT MUCH. UH UM. AND I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FIND THIS FOR YOU. BUT WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WHEN WE DO GET CALLED BY THE BUSINESS OWNERS, OR, UH, AND THAT'S ANOTHER RUMOR THAT'S OUT THERE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE BUSINESS OWNER. IT CAN BE JUST THE EMPLOYEE OF THE SHOP.

ANYBODY WHO CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT PROPERTY SOMEBODY AUTHORIZED TO WRITE. ON SITE MANAGER AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH ABOUT A AN AFFIDAVIT OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD WOULD PROVE THAT TO THE POLICE OFFICER. WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT DEEP OF A DIVE IF YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE THE MANAGER OF ACADEMY SPORTS OR KILLED AND YOU DON'T WANT THIS PERSON HERE THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR NAME. WE WON'T REQUIRE YOU TO SIGN IT. BUT YOUR NAME WILL BE ON THE CRIMINAL TRESPASS WARNING. AND IF YOU IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, IT WILL BE NULLIFIED. LATER CHIEF, MR HAND SAID THAT AND I WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT THAT ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIM, THERE'S A USE STORAGE PLACE AND BIOLOGY COUNTS . NOT NECESSARILY. BUT THERE'S SOME. THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS ACTIVITY THERE IF HE WERE TO CALL IN A TRESPASSING FROM SOMEONE JUMPING THE FENCE OF THAT YOU STORE IT PLACE WITH THE POLICE TALK TO HIM TO SEE IF STANDING TO DO THAT OR NOT. NO HE WOULDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE A CRIMINAL TRESPASS WARNING FOR ANOTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY, STORY. WHAT IF IT'S HIS NEIGHBOR? WHO'S 80?

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THEY'RE OPERATING HOURS WOULD SAY THAT CORRECT. I'M JUST SAYING WILLING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. UH, WE JUST NEED THE SUPPORT OF WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT PROPERTY TO SAY.

WE DON'T WANT THEM THERE. OKAY? AND IT GETS REALLY CONFUSING BECAUSE AH, THE DEFINITION OF A PUBLIC PLACE DIDN'T REALLY NAIL DOWN LIKE A CHURCH PROPERTY. AND SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION WHEN WE DON'T TAKE ACTION WHEN THEY'RE AT A CHURCH. BUT IF THE CHURCH IS ALLOWING THEM TO BE THERE, THEN THAT BECOMES THE GRAY AREA, RIGHT? CHIEF, IF YOU WOULD, UM CLARIFICATION ON THEIRS. THE PROPERTY GROUNDS OF THAT BUILDING THE BUSINESS OWNER THEN THERE IS IN THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF CORRECT. SIDEWALK IS STILL PUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. AND OF COURSE, IT'S NOT PART OF THE LEASEHOLD IMPROVEMENTS UNLESS IT WAS A LIMITED COMMON ELEMENT OR SOMETHING THAT'S CORRECT IN THE ECHO WHAT MARY PRO, TIM SAID. UH THERE'S A LOT COMING OUT OF THE COURT SYSTEM. RIGHT NOW. THERE'S EVEN ONE BELL VERSUS BOISE THAT TALKS ABOUT SLEEPING IS A FUNDAMENTAL NEED OF A PERSON AND IF YOU IF THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE FOR THAT PERSON TO GO SLEEP. I MEAN, WHO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO, BUT WE'RE WATCHING IT. CHIEF DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE A COUPLE OF OFFICERS DEDICATED TO HOMELESS LASHED MENTAL HEALTH CASES? YES, SIR. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY SERVICES UNIT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED UNDER CHIEF CONNOLLY. AND THEY DO DO A LOT OF PROACTIVE WORK AS FAR AS THEY TELL ME THAT EVERY ONE HOUSED INDIVIDUAL THAT SEEKS HELP WE GET IT TO THEM. THERE'S A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT HELP FROM MENAGERIE OF REASONS, BUT A LOT OF THEIR WORK IS BACK IN WORK. SO THEY CONTACT PEOPLE WHO ARE IN A MENTAL CRISIS OR THERE'S LOTS OF REASONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES THEY NEED OTHER THAN 911. THEY'RE NOT SITTING AROUND TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS. NO THEY WOULD LIKE TO TRIPLE IN SIZE AS WELL, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF WE DID ESTABLISH IT, DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICER UNIT WE WILL KIND OF NEED TO WORK OUT HOW THEY WILL BE NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICERS, BUT THEY WILL WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES UNIT, WHO IS TRACKING ALL THIS AND GOOD AND MY POINT ABOUT TWIDDLING THUMBS. IS THERE ALREADY AT CAPACITY RIGHT NOW, AND WE CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO COME DOWN HERE AND POLICE DOWNTOWN ON TOP OF WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY CHARGED WITH DOING. CORRECT NOT TO MENTION THAT THIS PROBLEM IS CITY WIDE. AND, UM THEY RESPOND ALL OVER THE CITY. CHIEF YOU HAD YOU MENTIONED IT. BUT WHEN I MENTION IT AGAIN, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE. YOU KNOW, IT'S AND BY THE WAY, I'M ELATED THAT PEOPLE ARE DOWN HERE SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM, BUT WHAT? WHAT I ASK IS THAT PEOPLE TAKE THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS ISSUE IS HAPPENING. BECAUSE WHEN WE UNDERSTAND WHY, THEN MAYBE COLLECTIVELY, AND THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM. THIS IS THIS IS A SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT EVERYONE UP HERE AND THE POLICE

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WE'RE SAFE COMMUNITY WERE A GENEROUS COMMUNITY IN GIVING BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT YOU POINTED OUT. I WANT TO JUST HIGHLIGHT THEM AGAIN. COUNTY JEALOUS WE HAVE THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY OR ONE OF IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. WHEN THOSE WHEN THEY GO TO THE COUNTY JAIL. IT'S HERE WHEN THEY GET OUT. GENERALLY THEY DON'T HAVE A LIMOUSINE OR A CAR WAITING FOR THEM. THEY'RE HERE AND ON THE STREET, AND THERE'S A MANY TIMES THEY'RE HOMELESS AND THEY'RE HERE. THE ONLY MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY IN THE IN THIS REGION IS THAT MM CM. CORRECT. I KNOW IT IS FOR THE END OF GENERAL. AND SO WE HAVE WE HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENTS FROM OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES BRINGING THEM THERE. WHEN THEY GET OUT. THOSE SAME I CAN ASSURE YOU, PLANO POLICE DROPS HIM OFF. THERE'S NOT A PLANO POLICE CAR WAITING WHEN THEY GET OUT TO DRIVE THEM BACK TO PLANO. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. THAT THE. THE CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ARE VERY UNIQUE TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH CONTRIBUTING TO THIS ISSUE. AGAIN. I SAY THAT JUST IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT TO. WE'VE GOT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE FOR ALL SIDES AND BUT AGAIN UNDERSTANDING THESE THINGS. MY. BE MORE CONSTRUCTIVE THAN THEN NOT UNDERSTANDING THEM FOR GENERAL PUBLIC ON INPUT, AND SO I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. WHERE WE HAVE A COMPOUNDED ISSUE IN THIS CITY THAT DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE ELSE. HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT TAKE THAN THAT, UM 17 62. JEAN JACQUES ROUSSEAU WROTE A BOOK CALLED THE SOCIAL CONTRACT. WE ALL KNOW WHAT SOCIAL CONTRACT IS. WE JUST DON'T THINK ABOUT IT MUCH. Y'ALL ARE WELL BEHAVED IN HERE. NO ONE'S GETTING UP SCREAMING AND INTERRUPTING. BECAUSE YOU WE ALL KNOW BETTER, RIGHT? AH! I'VE BEEN IN. I'VE LEASED OFFICE SPACE DOWNTOWN FOR 25 YEARS. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 27. I'VE LIVED IN DISTRICT TWO FOR 27. WE DON'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN DISTRICT TWO LIKE WE HAVE HERE, AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I'M IN BOTH EVERY DAY. UM IT, CHIEF. HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU BEFORE I CONTINUE MY MISSIVE A LITTLE BIT. BUT IF AN OFFICER WITNESSED A WOMAN DEFECATING ON SOMEONE'S LAWN WITH THAT OFFICER BE INCLINED OR BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT WOMAN THAT THAT THAT PERSON SOME KIND OF A RIGHT UP OR ARREST OR SOMETHING IF THEY SAW THAT. YEAH GREAT FIT IN THESE EXPOSURE, SO THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING. I BELIEVE THAT I'VE HEARD IT ONLY ANECDOTALLY, BUT IT'S HAPPENING AND IT'S HAPPENING AROUND HERE. I'VE NEVER GOT A COMPLAINT FROM DISTRICT TO THAT. THAT'S HAPPENING IN DISTRICT TWO. IT'S HAPPENING HERE. AH! I DON'T. I'M AMBIVALENT AS TO WHETHER THESE PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS OR NOT. I'M NOT AMBIVALENT AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE OBEYING THE SOCIAL CONTRACT OF THE LOSS OF OUR CITY. THERE'S A HELL OF A LOT OF EFFORT THAT GOES INTO THE CITY FROM VISIT MCKINNEY FROM MAIN STREET FROM FROM MANY OTHERS TO PROMOTE THIS DOWNTOWN, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT WE, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP THIS THING THE GREAT CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER SAID. KEEP IT BETWEEN THE FORTIES 40 YARD LINES. AND THAT IS THAT WE KNOW WHEN WE'VE GONE TOO FAR. WE KNOW WE HAVEN'T GONE FAR ENOUGH. I THINK WE'VE WE'RE TOO FAR LENIENT ON THIS THING. NOW. WOULD THE JOB OF COUNCIL IS TO MAKE IT PRETTY CLEAR TO THE SENIOR STAFF, AND THEN THE SENIOR STAFF TAKES IT DOWN FROM THERE IS TO HOW EXACTLY TO ENFORCE THIS EXCUSE ME TO ENFORCE IT MORE. THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO DECIDE.

I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL POLICE OFFICER. CHIEF I RESPECT YOU. I RESPECT MR CONNELLY. RESPECT ALL OF Y'ALL DONE AND YOU KNOW YEAH , YOU KNOW HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN I DO. BUT MY JOB IS IN OUR JOB IS TO GIVE YOU THE RESOURCES TO DO YOUR JOB AND FROM EVERYTHING I UNDERSTAND, MAINLY ANECDOTALLY, BUT I'M LISTENING. WE NEED TO ENFORCE OUR RULES BETTER. WE NEED TO BE AN UNCOMFORTABLE PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL BREAK THE SOCIAL CONTRACT TO SET UP SHOP IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS. IF THAT'S TWO ADDITIONAL OFFICERS OF ITS FOUR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. I'M RECEPTIVE TO WHATEVER THAT SOLUTION IS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET BOGGED DOWN IN. HERE'S ALL THE STUFF WE'RE DOING FOR HOMELESS. WE DO A HELL OF A LOT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES LIKE LOVE LIFE AND SHILOH THAT WEREN'T ON THAT LIST. AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD GREAT SUCCESS THERE WHO HAVE BEEN HOMELESS WHO OBEY THE SOCIAL CONTRACT. THAT DON'T WANT TO BE

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AND, UM UH, YOU KNOW FOR MR HAND . I DON'T KNOW HIS SITUATION PER SE, BUT HIS RESIDENCES DOWN HERE FOR MOST PEOPLE, THAT'S THE BIGGEST INVESTMENT THAT THEY'VE GOT FROM MR SEWALL'S. HE'S GOT HIS RESIDENCE IN THIS BUSINESS IS DOWN HERE AND, UH, IT'S I'M NOT TRYING TO HANG ANYBODY ON ACROSS, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ■ON&E THE RULES AND LAWS IN MCKINNEY? NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE CAN'T DO, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE THING ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO WALK. PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO DO STUFF. BUT MY JOB ON CITY COUNCIL IS TOO. WHAT CAN I DO TO MAKE MCKINNEY A LESS COMFORTABLE PLACE FOR THESE PEOPLE WHO DO BREAK THE SOCIAL CONTRACT. HOW CAN I MAKE IT LESS COMFORTABLE PLACE FOR THEM TO PLY THEIR CRAFT? AND I'M JUST SAYING LASER FOCUSED ON THAT COULD NOT AGREE MORE. THANK YOU. THE WHOLE THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING. UM SO, CHIEF, WHERE DO WE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION. I THINK THAT I WAS ABOUT TO ASK YOU TELL ME IF I'M ANSWERING CORRECTLY, YOU DID GIVE US A COUPLE OF ORDINANCES THAT YOU THINK COULD BE BENEFICIAL THAT WE HAVE GAPS IN SO WE NEED TO ENACT THOSE. AND I HAVE YOU ALREADY WORKED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ON SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ON THOSE ORDINANCES. NO, I HAVE NOT. AND I JUST I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, THOUGH, THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT ADDS TO THE FRUSTRATION WHEN WE DO COME OUT TO A CLASS C ORDINANCE, AND THEY'RE NOT THERE. I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE ON VIEWER. WE HAVE A COMPLAINING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RECEIVE A CITATION. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO RUN THEM OFF FOR SEAT COMPLIANCE. BUT IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A DETERRENT AS AS PEOPLE THINK IT IS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF PUNISHMENT, WHICH WOULD BE A FINE YEAH, AND I AND I AND I GET THAT AND THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE REALIZED AND BORNE OUT BY THE END OF IT, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY UM, PROBABLY SOME THAT THAT ARE BREAKING USE PATRICK'S WORDS, AND I'D LIKE THEM BREAKING THE SOCIAL CONTRACT. DON'T KNOW.

THAT THE OUTCOME IS BETTER CASE WILL BE DISMISSED. SO I JUST WANT TO EMPOWER YOU GUYS TO DO ALL OF THAT. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR ME, IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO WE NEED MORE OFFICERS. WE NEED TO INCREASE. BUDGET AND PROVIDE THE RESOURCES . TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND ENFORCE WHAT WE ARE LEGALLY ABLE TO ENFORCE. NOW OF COURSE WE'RE NOT. THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM. I COULD GET ONE CLAP. THAT'S ALRIGHT. UM SO IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM TODAY. JUST FYI, EVERYBODY. SO WHAT THIS IS WAS AN UPDATE ON THAT. UM, ARE WE WILL, THOUGH. BE ACTING IN THE IMMEDIATE IN YOUR FUTURE. ON THIS REQUEST AND. AND I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTION TO REALLY DO THE JOB, RIGHT? YOU NEED FOUR OFFICERS. TO DO IT RIGHT. FOR THE ENTIRE TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT THAT ENDS ON SATURDAY NIGHT AND COMES BACK THURSDAY. OKAY THIS IS A PROBLEM. THAT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK IS MY THAT I'M SEEING A LOT

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IF THERE'S A WAY TO RETURN THEM WHERE THEY WANT TO SAY THAT, BUT JUST MOVE YOU KNOW, MOVED TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. I GUESS LIKE YOU SAID SOMEBODY FROM PLAYING THE DROPS HIM OFF. CAN THEY BE RETURNED? WHERE THEY CAME? YOU KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM? NO, I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW THE LEGAL ANSWER OR THE LOGISTIC ANSWER, AND I THINK WE I'M GOING TO TAKE A WILD STAB AND SAY THAT THERE'S PROBABLY HIPAA LAWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE PREVENTING US FROM KNOWING WHEN SOMEONE IS BEING RELEASED AND WHEN TREATMENT ENDS AND DOESN'T END SO I DON'T KNOW.

LOGISTICALLY ALL THAT AND MY POINT IN SAYING THAT BEFORE WAS AGAIN IT'S I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT PATRICK SAID, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN SET UP HERE. UM BUT TO BUT ALL OF THESE ISSUES. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT EXASPERATED BY THESE COUPLE OF CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE, SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE EXTRA EFFORT IS GOING TO TAKE ITS GOING TO TAKE FOUR OFFICERS NOT TO AND AS THE COUNTY GROWS GUESS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? ITS POPULATION IS GOING TO GROW, AND IT'S GONNA GROW HERE DISPROPORTIONATELY, PROBABLY TO A LOT OF OTHER AREAS BASED ON ALL THE CRITERIA. WE LAY DOWN SO THAT MY STATEMENT WAS NOT WAS NOT TO EXCUSE OR TO CREATE SOME UM ANYTHING OTHER THAN. EDIFICATION UNDERSTANDING DO BETTER DEALING WITH PROBLEMS WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THE FACTS AND CONTRIBUTING FACTS, AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN YOU'RE GENERALLY NOT GOING TO BE NEAR AS EQUIPPED. SO THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT IN ALL OF THAT, BUT UH, YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. JUSTIN BEFORE JENNY COMES UP. 347 INDIVIDUALS IS WHAT YOU GOT ON YOURS, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN THE NUMBER TODAY GOT, WHICH I THINK OBVIOUSLY, IS THE MORE ACCURATE NUMBER OUT OF THAT. HOW MANY DO YOU THINK ARE CONCENTRATED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? AH! SERGEANT BEST SAYS THAT YOU KNOW, HE BELIEVES THAT NUMBERS MORE AROUND 50. IT'S NOT THE MAJORITY OF OUR HOMELESS. WE HAVE CAMPS THAT ARE SPROUTING UP IN DIFFERENT PLACES. IT JUST IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE COMBINATION OF BEING THE COUNTY SEE WITH COUNTY RESOURCES AND THEN A VERY UNIQUE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT TO BE QUITE HONEST, IT'S KIND OF IT'S BUILT FOR LOTS OF PURPOSES, BUT UH, AS FAR AS SPACE AND PROXIMITY TO OTHER THINGS, AND THEN THE ABUNDANCE OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT ARE GOOD TIPPERS. IT'S JUST IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO BE. ACCESS TO SHOWERS AND WATER STATIONS, AND THAT'S ONE PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO STRATEGICALLY LOOK AT WHERE WE WANTED TO PLACE THOSE RESOURCES. JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. I DO AGREE THAT HAVING MORE OFFICERS WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK HAVING FOR WOULD BE FANTASTIC. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS HOW WE FUND THAT. CAN WE USE TARS MONEY, SINCE IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO SORT OF FUND THAT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE OFFICERS, THOUGH THEY ARE GOING TO BE VERY CONSISTENT IN THEIR DELIVERY OF YOU KNOW, EXECUTING WHAT THEY CAN DO THAT WE ALSO TRAIN THEM VERY WELL. SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, POLICE, BUT DON'T TAKE AWAY THE DIGNITY OF THESE PEOPLE. REALLY IN NEED OF SOME RESOURCES, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS PART OF THE TRAINING THAT THEY GET SORT OF AN EXTRA SORT OF HAND AND BEING TRAINED IN THAT AREA SO THAT WERE SENSITIVE TO THE NEEDS AND NOT JUST ENFORCING THE LAWS. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BEEN ON THE JOB LESS THAN A YEAR AND YOU HAVEN'T SOLVED THE WORLDWIDE PROBLEM FOR US YET, BUT REALIZED WE SET THE BAR A LITTLE HIGHER TODAY AND APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU AND ALL OF YOUR STAFF DO FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOLLAR JACK, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THE IN THE

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ENSURING THAT THEY'VE GOT THEIR PAPERWORK THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THE THINGS NECESSARY. TWO OR SOME SORT OF MEDICAL OR MENTAL HEALTH EVALUATION TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE KIND OF HELP THAT THEY NEED. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, THREE THEIR SKILLS AND CAPABILITIES TO DO SOMETHING, WHETHER IT IS THEY'RE CAPABLE OF HOLDING THE JOB OR IF THEY'RE NOT CAPABLE OF HOLDING A JOB AND RELYING ON SOMETHING LIKE DISABILITY. AND THEN FOUR. ULTIMATELY HOUSING AND THEN THE ONGOING KIND OF SUPPORT OF THOSE ISSUES. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW. WE ENCOUNTER A HOMELESS PERSON WE CAN WRITE HIM A TICKET. WE CAN DISINCENTIVIZE THEM TO BE SOMEWHERE. BUT WE CAN ALSO WHAT THROUGH OUR RESOURCE NETWORK. HELP SOLVE THAT PROBLEM . THEORETICALLY LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT SOLVED, BUT THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO. HOW LONG IN THE FEEDBACK YOU'VE GOTTEN. HOW LONG DOES THAT TYPICALLY TAKE FOR SOMEONE TO FIND HOUSING TO ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY BE ON HOUSE NOT TO MOVE THEM TO PLANO OR DALLAS? I HOPE THEY END UP IN THE JAIL SYSTEM BUT ACTUALLY TAKE THEM FROM UNHAPPY USED TO HOUSE GENERALLY 3 TO 4 MONTHS.

AND THE FIRST STEP IS TO HAVE THEM REGISTERED IN THE HMM. I ASKED HOUSING MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM FROM HUD LEAST ARC WITH THE WELLNESS CENTER IS NOW IN MCKINNEY 100% OF THE TIME AS A STREET OUTREACH PERSON. SO HE IS MEETING WITH INDIVIDUALS AND TRYING TO GET THEM CONNECTED TO SERVICES. WE HAVE OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT ARE DOING THE SAME THING AND I AGREE WITH CHIEFS ASSESSMENT THAT FOR FOLKS THAT WANT HELP, THERE IS HELP AVAILABLE WHEN WE ENCOUNTER FOLKS THAT HAVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUES OR MAYBE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT HELPED A LOT OF TIME OR YOU KNOW, AS YOU WERE SAYING COUNCIL, INCLUDING THEY ARE VIOLATING THE SOCIAL CONTRACT BECAUSE OF THEIR ALTERED MENTAL STATE OR OTHER OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THEM. BUT GENERALLY FOR FOLKS WHO WANT HOUSING WHO GET INTO THE H M I A SYSTEM. WE HAVE . WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HELP THEM. WE HAVE THE RESOURCES CITY COUNCIL HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS AND WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE BARRIERS. BUT STILL, IT'S 3 TO 4 MONTHS WHO FULFILLS ON THE H M I S SYSTEM LIKE IN TERMS OF THE PROVIDERS, SO ALL OF THE HOUSING PROVIDERS , TRANSITIONAL HOUSING SAMARITAN AND YOU KNOW, SHILOH PLACE. THEY'RE ALL PART OF THAT SYSTEM AND WOULD GET REFERRALS AND ALSO OUTSIDE OF MCKINNEY FOLKS COULD BE REFERRED TO DALLAS OR OTHER AREAS AS WELL. WHEREVER THE HOUSING IS AVAILABLE, LIKE SAMARITAN IN HAS RESTRICTIONS ON WHO ULTIMATELY, THEY ALLOW IN SHILOH PLACES FOR SINGLE MOTHERS. CORRECT ULTIMATELY, WE'RE LEFT WITH A POPULATION THAT IS NOT GOING TO GET HOUSED THROUGH THAT SYSTEM, THEORETICALLY WELL, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER THERE ARE OTHER PROVIDERS THAT DON'T HAVE HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS. SO A SINGLE PERSON, YOU KNOW A MALE THAT'S 32 YEARS OLD. THERE WILL BE A HOUSING PROVIDER. YOU KNOW WHETHER THEY HAVE A SPOT AVAILABLE OR NOT, IS THE QUESTION, BUT THERE ARE HOUSING PROVIDERS. OUTSIDE OF MAKENI. WE'RE WE'RE IN A COUNTYWIDE DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY CONTINUUM OF CARE SYSTEM, AND THAT'S WHAT MRS CONNECTED INTO.

SO A PROBABLY A FOUR MONTH PROCESS WAITING ON HOUSING BEING PROBABLY BEING THE LONGEST WAIT IN THAT, AND THAT'S CONTINUAL CONTACT THROUGH A PROVIDER LIKE EMMANUEL LABORER, STREETSIDE SHOWERS SO THAT WHEN THEY DO COME UP ON SOME SORT OF LIST THERE IN SOME SORT OF PROXIMITY TO WHERE WE CORRECT CORRECT. HOW HOW MANY EXAMPLES DO WE HAVE OF THAT? WORKING OVER THE LAST HERE. LIKE WHERE WE'VE TAKEN SOMEONE WHO HAS A NEW HOUSED AND NOW THEY'RE HOUSED. UM AND THAT'S MAYBE NOT. SUSTAINABLE ON ITS OWN, BUT IT WITH WITH THE PROPER SUPPORT, IT IS

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DOLLARS RIGHT THERE, NOT RAPID REHOUSING DOLLARS OR THEY WERE RAPIDLY HOUSING FUNDING THROUGH HUD. SO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY RECEIVE THAT FUNDING FOR THREE YEARS NOW THAT FUNDING IS GOING TO SALVATION ARMY IN PLANO. BUT IT'S WORTH THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO WHAT IS A TYPICAL COST FOR A RAPID RE HOUSING? RECIPIENT 75% SUCCESS RATE. PROBABLY UM, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE RENT IS, BUT USUALLY 12 TO $1300 A MONTH. 12 OF THE $1300 A MONTH. I DID MY CALCULATION BASED OFF $1000 A MONTH, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT FOR THE MILLION 70 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING ON FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS. WE COULD HOUSE 80 TO 90,000. PEOPLE ARE 80 TO 90 PEOPLE IN THAT. WITH THOSE DOLLARS AND THOSE DOLLARS THAT WE'VE NEVER CONSIDERED SPENDING.

ON OUR OWN. WE'VE USED PASSED THROUGH DOLLARS, SO TO SPEAK WHEN HOT OR TEXTILE OR TDH TO ASM. BUT WE'VE NEVER USED ANY OF OUR DOLLARS FOR THAT TYPE OF STUFF. CORRECT CORRECT. WE ARE USING OUR FUNDING THROUGH THE TASK FORCE FOR A VICTIM FICTION PREVENTION SERVICES FLEX FUNDS, WHICH ARE USUALLY USED, WHICH ARE RARELY USED FOR TAKING AN UNHAPPY USED TO A HOUSE, CORRECT PREVENTING AND HOUSE OR A HOUSE PERSON FROM BECOMING AN HOUSE. UM. ARE THERE. ARE THERE ANYTHING? WITH. GUESS WHERE WE ULTIMATELY ALLOW FUNDS TO BE USED OR WHAT? OUR HOUSING MAKEUP AND THAT'S KIND OF GETS INTO OUR NEXT CONVERSATION WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING ON AS IF APARTMENT COMPLEXES CAN RENT BY THE ROOM. IS THAT ALLOWED OR IS THERE AN ORDINANCE PREVENTING THAT IN OUR CITY AND ULTIMATELY, IF THAT'S ALLOWED, CAN WE REDUCE THE BARRIER TO ENTRY FROM AN UNHAPPY HOUSE TO HOUSE PERSON? THROUGH SOME ORDINANCES LIKE THAT, WHERE WE'RE EVALUATING. HOW DO WE MAKE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE? HOW DO WE MAKE THIS BARRIER EASIER TO CROSS FROM GOING ON HOUSE TO HOUSE? SO FOR THE, UM HOUSING MORE THAN ONE AND RELATED PERSON THAT WOULD BE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I LOOKED INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT AFTER THE MEETING. THERE ARE THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION IN DALLAS THAT DOES THAT. BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE LANDLORDS THAT THAT AGREE THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCES ARE CITY ORDINANCE IS ABOUT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNRELATED PEOPLE THAT COULD LIVE. YOU KNOW, IN A RESIDENCE AND THAT SORT OF THING BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE'S A CONCEPT AND LIKE STUDENT HOUSING. WE'VE PRIVATIZED STUDENT HOUSING THAT HAS AN INDIVIDUAL STUDENT WALKING INTO A RELATIONSHIP. WITH THREE ROOMMATES. I SHOULDN'T BE LIABLE IF THEY BREAK THEIR LEASE BECAUSE THEY GOT KICKED OUT OF COLLEGE. I'M SIGNING A LEASE FROM MY ROOM.

THEY'RE SIGNING THE LEASE FOR THEIR ROOMS, AND THAT MAKES IT LESS BURDENSOME TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO MAY BE ABLE TO STEP INTO A LEASE, THEN FOR $500 RATHER THAN $1100 LIKE OUR LIKE TECH UNITS COST CORRECT. CORRECT SO IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF FINDING THE DEVELOPERS OR THE BUILDING OWNERS THAT WOULD WANT TO DO THAT MODEL. UM. I GUESS. I MEAN, MY COMMENTS ON THIS IS I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ROOM THAT WE CAN WORK WITH ON FINDING HOUSING SOLUTIONS AND FINDING RESOURCES. BEFORE WE SPEND THIS MUCH MONEY ON ADDITIONAL POLICE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE ULTIMATELY PUTTING PEOPLE BETWEEN IRAQ AND A HARD PLACE. THERE IS NOT A PATHWAY TO GO FROM ON HOUSED. HOUSED IN A REASONABLE WAY. IN THIS COUNTY IN THIS METROPLEX OR IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, AND I DO THINK THAT WHEN YOU TOLD ME THAT SUCCESS RATE FOR THE RAPID RE HOUSING UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE GOT IT IN AND I COUNT COUNSEL NOTES OR MANAGERS NOTES. THAT'S A MEANINGFUL NUMBER. AND, UM. EVEN IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE, WE NEED TO STEP UP AND FORCE

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UM SO OKAY. THAT'S MY COMMENT, THOUGH. I'M NOT DISAGREEING. DO YOU JUSTIN AT ALL THAT REGIONALLY. NATIONALLY WHOLE BIT. OAKLEY UH, HELPING FIND THAT BETTER PATH, BUT I THINK THAT THOSE EFFORTS HAVE TO BE CONCURRENT WITH WITH THE ENFORCEMENT AND ADDITIONAL POLICE, QUITE FRANKLY, DOWNTOWN , BECAUSE OUR RAP I'D ALSO SAY THAT 75% SUCCESS RATE RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM. IS. THE GROUP THAT THAT WE HAVE THAT SUCCESS RATE WITH ACTUALLY REPRESENTS.

SADLY. THE SMALLER ONE OF THE SMALLER POPULATIONS OF HOMELESS. OTHER WORDS. IT'S A IT IS IT IS . I'D LOVE TO THINK THAT, UM THE MAJORITY OF HOMELESS PEOPLE. ARE JUST PLAYING DOWN ON THEIR LUCK AND PREPARED AND READY. TO GO TO WORK TOMORROW, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER BARRIERS THAT ARE THAT ARE OUT THERE EXISTING IN THE HOMELESS POPULATION, OTHER THAN JUST LOST A JOB OR THIS OR THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND IN MY I DO SO. TO THE TO THE SOCIAL CONTRACT. STATEMENT. UM THAT'S UH. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE PEOPLE WERE HAVING SUCCESS RATES WITH ON RAPID REHOUSING GETTING THE BACK IN THE HOUSE AND GET EMPLOYED. PROBABLY LARGE. IN LARGE PART, NOT THOSE THAT ARE BREAKING THE SOCIAL CONTRACT. UM I MEAN, I'M GUESS. FROM WHAT? I UNDERSTOOD THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BREAKING THE SOCIAL CONTRACT OR THE MINORITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE, NOT THE MAJORITY OF THE 347. IDENTIFIED HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE IT'S THE IT IS VERY SMALL MAJORITY THAT ARE BREAKING THE SOCIAL CONTRACT. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE CASE. BUT I'M SAYING THAT THAT MATURE THAT THAT GROUP. IS. PROBABLY WE HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. WE HAVE THERE'S OTHER ISSUES. THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT OUR SUCCESS STORIES AND ALMOST I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A POLITICALLY CORRECT WAY OR NO WAY TO SAY IT , BUT IT'S THE SAME POPULATION. I MEAN, THAT WAS ON HOUSE TO HOUSE. YEAH THE GOAL OF THE RAPID RE HOUSING PROGRAM IS TO TAKE PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT WHETHER THEY HAVE DRUG AND ALCOHOL ISSUES OR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR EMOTIONAL ISSUES. TAKE THEM WHERE THEY ARE AT NOT REQUIRING THEM TO GET CLEAN OR WHATEVER, AND PUT THEM IN HOUSING AND THEN PROVIDE CASE MANAGEMENT AND ACCESS TO SERVICES. SO THAT BUT THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT DESIRE TO BE HOUSED, AND THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT DESIRE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE. UM BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE THE CREAM OF THE CROP ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GRADUATING? THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THE HARD WORK. THAT WAS MY POINT THAT WILL. I'LL SAY IT ANOTHER WAY AND THEN REALIZE GET OFF THE SUBJECT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO GET MY POINT CONVEYED, BUT BUT THOSE ARE WILLING TO DO THE HARD WORK.

MOST PROBABLY ARE NOT PEOPLE BREAKING THE SOCIAL CONTRACT AND DOING SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.

WHETHER IT MIGHT HAVE WRONG IS REALLY IRRELEVANT. I GUESS MY MAIN POINT IS, WE NEED TO DO THINGS CONCURRENTLY. WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR DOWNTOWN. WE NEED TO PROTECT THE EMERGENCY BUSINESS SAFETY OF PATRON SAFETY OF OUR BUSINESS OWNERS. PRESERVE WHAT IS THE GEM OF THIS ENTIRE COUNTY? TO ME, THAT'S THAT COMES WITH ENFORCEMENT PERIOD. UM, CONCURRENTLY. WITH THEM ALL. I'M ALL FOR A CONVERSATION. HOW WE ALSO. TALK ABOUT IS A CITY WHERE IT MAKES SENSE AND WHERE WE BELIEVE THERE'S A SUSTAINABLE POSITIVE OUTCOME AND SUCCESS THAT AT THAT MITIGATES THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING AND LESSONS IT. I'M ALL FOR THAT AS WELL. BUT I THINK THEY'RE CONCURRENT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S I THINK ENFORCEMENT IS NECESSARY NOW. DOWNTOWN AND I THINK THERE ARE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES NEEDED NOW DOWNTOWN, SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE CONCURRENCE, BUT I JUST I WANT TO SAY THIS IN TERMS OF US AS A CITY. WE DON'T SPEND DOLLARS ON HOUSING PEOPLE WE PASSED THROUGH DOLLARS. WE SPEND THE FEDERAL DOLLARS WE SPEND THE AND THIS IS OUR DOLLARS. I MEAN,

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THIS COMMUNITY THAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AND I FULLY RESPECT THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS DOING THE BEST THEY CAN WITH WHAT THEY HAVE IS JUST MORE PEOPLE SO THEY MAY BE HOMELESS.

THEY MAY NOT BE, BUT THEY'RE DISTURBING THE PEACE AND THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS, SO HAPPY TO HAVE ANY OTHER CONVERSATION, BUT, UH, I'M FOCUSED ON THAT.

AND I WOULD SAY TO WHAT I WOULD I DON'T NEED TO ASK, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT. I'M SURE YOU'LL SPEAK WITH WITH STAFF CITY MANAGER AND ON. WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. EXPENSIVELY DO A DEEPER DIVE IN THE NUMBERS ON, UH ON ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. UM WE I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND HOW THAT CAN BE FUNDED AND MARKET WON'T TAKE THE TIME NOW, BUT TOURISTS HAVE ALSO BEEN DISCUSSIONS OF PINS AND TRASH ISSUES AND OTHER THINGS. THERE'S PROBABLY A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AND HOW THAT IMPACTS US IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE I KNOW THAT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IS ALSO ALWAYS CONCERNED AS WE ALL ARE UP HERE WITH TAX RATE RIGHT ? SO WE CAN, BY THE WAY WE CAN SOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS. JUST INCREASED TAXES, RIGHT WE GOT WE GOT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF HOW WE DO THAT, SO HOW WE APPROACH THESE ISSUES IN A WAY THAT HAS A LEAST NEGATIVE IMPACT ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH STAFF AND LET'S LET'S REALLY IDENTIFY. IS IT TOO IS IT THREE IS A FOUR AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND THEN WILL ALSO BE IDENTIFYING. DIFFERENT METHODS TO FUND IT. GOING TO WORK MORE, I GUESS. WITH MARC HAUSER ON ORDINANCES KNOWING WHAT WE SAID BEFORE, BUT FOR SOME, IT WILL BE A DETERRENT. I GOTTA BELIEVE FOR SOME, IT WILL BE A DETERRENT. UM AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE START. AND WE DO THAT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, JUSTIN WE WANT WE WANT. WE HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THAT AND FLUSH THAT CONVERSATION OUT ITS NEXT POINT. MAYOR WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN ON THE SCHEDULE WITH THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANT MEETINGS SO THAT THERE WILL BE A POLICE PRESENCE THERE TO NOT ONLY BUILD FRUSTRATIONS THAT ANSWER QUESTIONS AND ALSO ADVISE THEM WHAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR JOB ONCE WE GET THERE AS FAR AS THE COMPLAINANT OR SOMEBODY WHO WILL STATE WHAT HAD HAPPENED. BY THE WAY IT WAS, YOU KNOW YOUR ACCOUNT, 3 47. THE FEDERAL COUNT WAS 200 SOMETHING THE REASON WHY YOUR ACCOUNT IS MORE IS BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY GONE OUT AND DONE THE WORK TO IDENTIFY AND GOING TO IDENTIFY GET TO KNOW THEM.

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WHICH HAS HELPED IN FINDING AND HAVING SUCCESS AND CHANGING THOSE SOME OF THOSE LIVES, WHICH ALSO MEANS LESS HOMELESS. ON THE STREET. MY POINT IS REASON WHY THAT NUMBER IS BIGGER BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE DOING A DOING A WHOLE LOT MORE WORK THAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES WHEN THEY COME IN TOWN AND DO ACCOUNT. YOU GUYS. YOU GUYS ARE ALL IN AND UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE AND WORKING HARD TO STOP IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS, CHIEF.

[Consider/Discuss Affordable Housing Development Goals for FY24]

MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. HOW THIS PART? SOUNDS GOOD. THIS PART DOES ISN'T THAT SORT OF THING.

SO FOR FY 23 OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS , WE ADDED 506 NEW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS FOR 2023. NOW THOSE UNITS ARE NOT ON THE GROUND, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN FINANCED AND THEY WILL BE BUILT.

THEY WILL PROBABLY BE BUILT AND OF 2024, BEGINNING OF 2025. WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION PLAN. WE HAVE CROSS DEPARTMENTAL ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TEAM. WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED THE RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE CLEAR TITLE ASSISTANCE FOR FOLKS SO THAT THEY CAN GET HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR REHAB PROGRAM. WE HAVE UPDATED THE ROOT POLICY DATA, AND WE'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE MACD AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORK GROUP, WHICH IS A GREAT GROUP OF FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING TOGETHER ON A QUARTERLY BASIS TO TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. FOR FY 24 ARE PROPOSED INITIATIVES ARE I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS FOR 2024 USING THE MCKINNEY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AS THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST PARTNER. A TAX EXEMPTION POLICY FOR HOUSING. AND A LOCALLY FUNDED AND MANAGED HOUSING VOUCHER PROGRAM. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF REMINDER. LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS. WE HAVE NINE AND 4% HOUSING TAX CREDITS . THE 9% ARE THE COMPETITIVE THERE, THE HARDER ONES TO GET, ALTHOUGH THE 4% ARE NOW GETTING TO BE A LITTLE BIT HARDER AS WELL. THE 9% REQUIRE RESOLUTION SUPPORT FROM CITY COUNCIL 4% REQUIRE RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION. WE HAVEN'T SEEN 9% IN A WHILE. THEY HAVE CRITERIA THAT ARE VERY SPECIFIC. HAVE VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA, AND SOMETIMES MCKINNEY IS VERY ATTRACTIVE TO DEVELOPERS. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SCORE WELL, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT. SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE RECENTLY. SO THIS IS OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS BY TYPE AND INCOME. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE ARE LIKE TECH. WE'VE GOT THE TOTALS. THE LIGHT TECH UNITS PH. A STANDS FOR PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY. PFC IS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION. AND I DIDN'T DO THAT. MY FAULT. SOMEONE TRIED TO ZOOM BIGGER. UM SO WHEN YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE EARLIER DEVELOPMENT, SOME OF THE OLDER DEVELOPMENTS ARE 30 TO 60% THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE 9% TAX CREDITS DEVELOPMENTS. THE 4% TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS ARE USUALLY AT 60% THE ONES THAT ARE 4% LIKE TECH THAT WERE IN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PUBLIC HOUSING WITH MCKINNEY HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THOSE YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS ARE STILL LISTED 204. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE. BUT THE WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE RAD PROCESS AND THEIR REDEVELOPED USING HOUSING TAX CREDITS, AND WE GET THE ADDITIONAL LIGHT TECH UNITS, SO THE GRAND TOTAL AND AGAIN THESE ARE NOT ALL ON THE GROUND IS 3055. THAT'S THE LIE TECH AND THE PH. TO UNITS. WE ALSO HAVE 100 AND 92 UNITS FROM THE, UH PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION IN THOSE ARE AT 80. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS CHART? SO THIS SHOWS WHERE OUR UNITS ARE. THIS IS OUR

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THAT IF THEY DON'T MOVE FORWARD THAT WE WOULD ISSUE AND R F Q. IN THE SUMMER OF 2024 FOR ANOTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS DEVELOPMENT FOR 4% HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ON THE GROUND UNTIL 26 OR 27 SO AGAIN WITH OUR POPULATION INCREASES THAT WOULD KEEP US AT ABOUT THE 1 TO 70 ON THE LIGHT TECH PRODUCT. YOU GO BACK. SURE. YES A NUMBER OF PROJECTS, THEN YES, YES, IT WAS. IT WAS SO THEY DEVELOPED A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ANNA YES. SO THE POLICY DIRECTION DESIRED POLICY DIRECTION. NO NEW MCKINNEY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION 4% DEVELOPMENT DEALS FOR FY 24 AND LESS. ATLANTIC HOUSING MOVES WARD WITH DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN PUT OUT AN R F Q. IN THE SUMMER

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AND WE WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT QUALITIES AND IT DEVELOPMENT ARE IMPORTANT TO CITY COUNCIL IN ORDER FOR US TO TRADE OFF THOSE THE TAXES THAT WE WOULD GET FROM THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. SO PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION AND AFFORDABILITY. SO FOR $100 MILLION PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT WOULD BE EXEMPTED. SO IF THE DEVELOPER PARTNERS WITH THE MCKINNEY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GET THIS THIS TAX EXEMPTION. IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT, BUT PRETTY MUCH YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD GAIN FROM THE PARTNERSHIP. SO FACTORS TO CONSIDER LOCATION. THE CITY COUNCIL. HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE LOCATION FOR TAX EXEMPTION. EXISTING OR NEW CONSTRUCTION, USUALLY EXISTING CONSTRUCTION.

YOU REQUIRE THEM TO SPEND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PURCHASE PRICE TOWARDS REHABILITATION. MINIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS AND DEVELOPMENT. NO PERCENTAGE OF UNITS AT 30 OR 50.

AM I TERM OF TAX EXEMPTION. 10 TO 12 YEARS IS COMMON WITH THESE KINDS OF PARTNERSHIPS. UM AND THEN AFFORDABILITY AND RESELL PRE PROVISION USUALLY ABOUT 80% OR GREATER RETURN OF EXEMPTION.

SO THESE ARE ALL KIND OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO DETERMINING WHETHER YOU KNOW WE WOULD BRING STAFF IS LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON WHAT WOULD CITY COUNCIL LIKE TO SEE WE CAN CRAFT A POLICY. BUT WHAT ? WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU FOR THIS POLICY? WHAT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TRY THE TAX EXEMPTION FOR. SO POLICY TO ENSURE PROJECTS ARE MEETING GOALS USED TO HOUSE PERSONS OR FAMILIES WHOSE ANNUAL INCOME IS GREATER THAN 6 30, BUT NO MORE THAN 60. AT LEAST 50% RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

UNITS MUST BE RUNNING FOR AN AMOUNT THAT DOES NOT EXCEED TDH CE A RENTAL GUIDELINES. ON EXISTING PROPERTIES. 15% MUST BE USED TO REHABILITATE THE PROPERTY. UM TAX EXEMPTION FOR A MINIMUM PERIOD OF 12 YEARS AND THEN WITHIN THESE VERY BROAD GUIDELINES, THE DEVELOPER ATTORNEYS WOULD WORK TOGETHER TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT A GOOD DEAL WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND IT WOULD BE A NEGOTIATION. AND THE PILOT PAYMENTS, SO SOME MIX OF AFFORDABILITY AND A PAYMENT BACK IN LIEU OF TAXES. SO TONIGHT ON. THE 15% OF PURCHASE PRICE MUST BE USED TO REHABILITATE THE PROPERTIES. I THINK THERE WERE A NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TRANSITION. UM. FAIRLY NEW PROPERTIES INTO SOME SORT OF PFC MODEL BEFORE THIS CHANGE IN THE LAW. INTO IT. AS FAR AS MEETING THAT CRITERIA. ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S PART OF THE STATE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY SPEND 15. OR IS THAT A QUESTION? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE SINCE THIS WOULD NOT BE A PFC, IT WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MCKINNEY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. THAT GUIDELINES COULD BE ANYTHING THAT CITY COUNCIL WANTED THEM TO BE IN TERMS OF A PFC. NOW THERE IS REQUIREMENTS THAT EXISTING PROPERTIES HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CORRECT IMPROVEMENT BUDGET, SO IT KIND OF EXCLUDES THOSE THAT ARE BUILT

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WOULD YOU WISH TO TAX EXEMPT NEW PROPERTIES AND GIVE THEM THAT BENEFIT FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS? OR WOULD YOU RATHER FOCUS THAT TAX EXEMPTION POLICY TOWARD EXISTING EXISTING UNITS? INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT, UM AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN BRING BACK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS, BUT THE IDEA IS TO KIND OF FIND OUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU. YOU KNOW TO GET IN A DEVELOPMENT IN EXCHANGE FOR THE TAX EXEMPTION, AND THEN THAT GIVES US SORT OF GIVE STAFF SORT OF A STARTING POINT TO CRAFT A DRAFT POLICY FOR YOUR REVIEW. DO YOU WANT US TO GET FEEDBACK ON THAT BEFORE YOU MOVED TO? THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. YEAH, I DIDN'T WANT TO BE BOSSY, BUT BUT MY THOUGHT ON ON THESE AS ONE THE TAX EXEMPTION IS A BIG NUMBER. UM AND I THINK WITH THE PFCS AND OTHERS, IT'S IT IS A VERY LUCRATIVE DEAL FOR DEVELOPER AND OWNER AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME ABILITY TO DICTATE. YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT SAVINGS ULTIMATELY COMES BACK TO THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHETHER IT IS THROUGH THE PILOT PAYMENT TO US SO THAT I ASK OF AFFORDABILITY. AND SO I IN IN MY OPINION I THINK THAT YOU COULD ALMOST TIE. WHAT ARE WHAT ARE WE GETTING OUT OF WHAT THEY'RE ULTIMATELY GETTING BECAUSE WE CAN QUANTIFY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME. AND THEN WE CAN SAY WE WANT SOME PERCENTAGE OF THAT, AND I THINK IT'S I MEAN, PROBLEM NUMBER IS PROBABLY OUTSIDE OF THE MARKET, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY WE SHOULD HAVE SEX 60 70% OF THAT NUMBER THAT IS GOING TO AFFORDABILITY OR PILOT PAYMENTS, BUT IT'S GOING TO SOME BENEFIT AND THERE IS THERE IS FINANCIAL BENEFIT FOR THEM AND FOR HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE QUALIFICATION STANDARDS AND ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT THE UNQUANTIFIABLE BENEFIT THAT THEY GET OUT OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW. PROPERTY TAXES. AND FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE FOR ANY PROPERTY THAT'S OVER. YOU KNOW, 10, OR $15 MILLION IS THE BIGGEST VARIABLE TO THESE TO THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES AND BEING ABLE TO CONTROL THAT AND SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO GO UP 10% NEXT YEAR, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO FACE YOU KNOW? RAISING RENTS ON TENANTS AS A HUGE VALUE THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE.

PROPERLY QUANTIFIED, BUT ULTIMATELY IF WE'RE GIVEN MILLION 7 50, I THINK IS WHAT YOUR $100 MILLION PROPERTY GIVES BEFORE GIVEN THAT TYPE OF THING A YEAR. YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND SAY, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY. WE STILL NEED MONEY FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND WE STILL NEED MONEY IN TERMS OF WHAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT WE'RE GETTING. IF IT IS CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS THAT 30% I AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT DISCOUNT BUT TO ME, I THINK IT SHOULD BE A FORMULA THAT SAYS, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR. YOU WANT THIS BENEFIT? WE WANT OUR OUR BENEFIT. BECAUSE THE REST OF IT IS THE STATE'S MONEY. I MEAN, IT'S NOT HURTING OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF COUNTY AND COLLEGE MONEY IN THERE, BUT THE BULK OF IT IS THE STATE'S MONEY. AND THEY'VE GRANTED US THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, IN EXCHANGE FOR AFFORDABILITY. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE AFFORDABILITY. UM THAT WE WEREN'T BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS A LOT. BUT IS THERE ANY PREFERENCE ON COUNCIL FOR NEW OR EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS OR ANY PREFERENCE ON LOCATION OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE OR THAT WE WOULD ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH FOR TAX EXEMPTION? WHEN YOU ASK WHERE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LOADED QUESTION BECAUSE. IT'S GOT TO BE A DISBURSEMENT OF UNITS ACROSS, SO I GUESS I ASK THAT QUESTION MORE SPECIFICALLY OF IF YOU COULD. UM WOULD SO FOR THE UNITS THAT WERE CONSIDERING WOULD YOU LIKE AS AS WERE APPROACHED WITH THESE. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO BRING THEM TO YOU ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHERE YOU COULD SEE WELL, THIS ONE'S IN EAST MCKINNEY OR THIS ONE'S IN WEST MCKINNEY. OR THIS ONE'S NEW THIS ONE'S EXISTING. THEY'RE GOING TO REHAB THIS MUCH WOULD YOU? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE ANALYSIS AND KIND OF WHAT THE BEST DEAL IS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OR ARE

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THEORETICALLY WHEN THE CITY GETS MONEY FROM A DEAL THAT IS IN SOMETHING LIKE A PFC. COULD WE USE THAT MONEY TO? ADDITIONALLY FUND THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST? YES OKAY, BECAUSE MY APPETITE AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS IS ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT THE WHAT? YOU'RE SHOWING US OF ONE FOR 69 STUFF LIKE THAT. AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW I'M NOT A FIDUCIARY FRISCO OR ALAN. BUT, MAN, THEY AREN'T DOING MUCH OVER THERE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THE DANGER I SEE IS YOUNG FAMILIES BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TO BE HERE AND IF WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING MEANINGFUL WITH THE FUND, SOMETHING MEANINGFUL TO THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST TO ACTUALLY GET THAT MOVING, AND THEN WE PUT A MILLION BUCKS IN IT. BUT A MILLION'S NOT ENOUGH TO REALLY IN MY MIND TO REALLY GET IT MOVING AND HAVE A PLACE THAT YOUNG FAMILIES CAN OWN AND UTILIZE THE MCKINNEY SCHOOLS.

IT'S ALSO NOT LOST ON ME THAT YOU KNOW, M I S D STUDENT POPULATION IS REALLY BEEN PRETTY STATIC FOR MAYBE A DECADE OR MORE AND YOU LOOK PROSPEROUS TOWN OF 30,000 PEOPLE IS NOW BIGGER THAN US, AND, UH I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT STREAMING CONSCIOUSNESS, BUT LOVEJOY HAD TO CLOSE DOWN ONE OF THEIR TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE FOLKS THERE THAT CAN AFFORD TO LIVE THERE AND I THINK OF HEALTHY CITY HAS YOUNG FAMILIES THAT ARE THERE AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST IS AN UNDERUTILIZED TOOL AS WE LOOK MOVING FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO HELP THAT HAPPEN. JUST JUST TO MAKE SURE LOVEJOY CLOSED ONE OF THREE. WHAT LOVEJOY CLOSED ONE OF 3123. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT WAS ONE OF TWO. SO THAT THE RECORD IS A GREAT SEGUE TO THE NEXT DISCUSSION ON COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS, AND I'M REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU . THANK YOU SO MUCH, SO THE PURPOSES OF A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST JUST AS A REMINDER, ASSEMBLING AND MANAGING LAND OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES AND REMAIN AFFORDABLY PRICED. SO YOU PUT IN MONEY INTO IT, BUT THEY HAVE TO REMAIN AFFORDABLE. MARKETING THE HOMES SELECTING INCOME ELIGIBLE BUYERS MONITORING HOME HOMEOWNER COMPLIANCE WHEN THEY WANT TO SELL THE HOME, MAKING SURE THAT IT SOLD TO AN AFFORDABLE BUYER. VERIFYING ANNUALLY. THE HOMEOWNERS MAINTAIN PROPERTY INSURANCE, PAY TAXES AND INTERVENING IN CASE OF HOMEOWNERS, MORTGAGE OR DEFAULT. SO BACKGROUND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE FORMATION OF COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. JUNE 21ST 2022. AND CITY COUNCIL ALLOCATED A MILLION DOLLARS IN SEED MONEY, NO COMMUNITY LAND TRUST PARTNERS HAVE APPLIED. BUT THE MCKINNEY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION CAN SERVE AS A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST PARTNER. SO HERE'S THE SECTION OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE LITTLE TYPOS IN THERE, BUT THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, MAYBE A SUBSIDIARY CORPORATION, MCKINNEY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION OR THE M HFC BYLAWS SO YOU CAN CREATE A SUBSIDIARY CORPORATION. OR YOU CAN SIMPLY AMEND THE BYLAWS TO SAY WHEN FEASIBLE, THE CORPORATION WILL USE LONG TERM LAND USE RESTRICTIONS AND LONG TERM GROUND LEASES AS A TOOL TO PROVIDE AND PRESERVE AFFORDABLE RENTAL AND OWNERSHIP HOUSING AND TO CREATE HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW AND MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES WHO MIGHT OTHERWISE NOT BE ABLE TO OWN A HOME, SO IT'S VERY EASY. TO ALLOW THE MCKINNEY HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION EITHER BY FORMING A SUBSIDIARY CORPORATION OR JUST BY MODIFYING THE BYLAWS.

TO ALLOW THEM TO BE A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST PARTNER. SO SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THE LEGAL

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EXACTLY OKAY. IS THAT JUST AT PURCHASE LIKE IT'S NOT AN ONGOING MONITORING THING WE DO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF QUANTIFYING THAT A THE AM I FOR FAMILY OF FOUR IS 103,000. I THINK THIS YEAR HUNDREDS SIX, ISN'T IT? 106 6. UM SO YOU SAID 65% HAVE TO BE BELOW 80 80 80 OR BELOW, WHICH IS AN $82,000 INCOME CORRECT FAMILY OF FOUR. FOR AN INDIVIDUAL. I THINK IT'S 72,000 OR AROUND THERE. SO AT A 80% AM I? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL MAKING $57,000.

AND WE COULD PARTNER THIS WITH OUR DOWN PAYMENT AND CLOSING COST ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. WE CAN PARTNER THIS WITH MCC PROGRAM. WE CAN GET RID OF PM I E. IF THEY'RE LOCATED IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY, THE MORTGAGE INSURANCE SO THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS AS WELL AND WE HAVE RESOURCES TO BRING TO IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF. FINANCE ABILITY FOR THE INDIVIDUALS. NO WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS, BUT JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT MORTGAGE OPERATORS ARE OKAY WITH THIS SET UP FOR THE MOST PART THAT THEY EVEN ACTUALLY LIKE IT. BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE LIKELY AN INCOME TRACKS THAT THEY'RE TARGETING. IT'S GOING TO CREATE MORE. ASSURANCES FOR THEM AS A LENDER. AND EVEN EVEN IF IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PAPERWORK FOR THEM DEALING WITH THE GROUND LEASE OR SOMETHING

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LIFE STAGES AND THE THING I THINK THAT HAS BEEN MISSING. AND UM. OUR MARKET AND MISSING IN A LOT OF MARKETS IS THAT FIRST TIME OWNERSHIP PRODUCT UM, THAT THAT WE HAVE, AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT. AN OWNERSHIP PRODUCT THAT IS VARIABILITY IN SIZE AND DENSITY. WE DON'T BUILD SMALL HOMES ANYMORE. WE DON'T BUILD DENSE WAY ANYMORE. AND SO I THINK YOU KNOW WHETHER IT IS INFILL PROJECTS LIKE THIS OR IT IS PROJECTS THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD IT ADDS TO THAT VARIABILITY OF OUR HOUSING STOCK THAT ULTIMATELY WILL SERVE US IN THE LONG RUN WITH YOUNG FAMILIES AND DIFFERENT GROUPS. I THINK I'M GONNA DRAW ON THIS BECAUSE I LIKE TO DRAW BUT IT DIDN'T WORK OUT VERY WELL. IN MY MIND. WE HAVE, I WOULD CALL OUR HOUSING CONTINUUM. THAT, UM. KIND OF MOVES UP THE SCALE FROM A DOLLAR STANDPOINT, BUT ANYBODY WHO ENTERS THAT IS NOT GOING TO END AND DOESN'T FIND WHAT THEY WANT ISN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE UP THE CONTINUUM. YOU CAN'T LOOK FOR FIRST TIME HOME AND BE LIKE, WELL, IT'S NOT THERE, SO I'M GOING TO BUY A $750,000. 4000 SQUARE FOOT HOME. THEY GO DOWN THE CONTINUUM OF LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT PRODUCT AND IN MCKINNEY RIGHT NOW, WHEN THAT FIRST TIME HOME BUYER IS NOT THERE I GO DOWN THE CONTINUUM TO LIKELY AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. I CAN'T DRAW AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT YOU'LL SEE WHAT THAT IS.

WHICH IN MY MIND INCREASES THIS DEMAND FOR APARTMENTS AND WE SEE THAT WE SEE IT IN OUR OCCUPANCY RATES. WE SEE IT AND WHAT COMES ASKING FOR. ENTITLEMENTS. WE SEE IT ALL AROUND WHERE WE THERE ARE THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR APARTMENTS. AND IF WE DID MORE TO RELIEVE THIS SECTION. THEN IT WOULD ULTIMATELY HELP AND RELIEVING THAT SECTION. AND AGAIN IF YOU JUST KEEP GOING FURTHER DOWN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'VE GOT APARTMENTS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE RENTAL PRODUCTS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN AFFORDABLE THAT ARE STARING AT. I CAN GO GET $1800. A MONTH. IN THIS HOUSING MARKET, OR I CAN KEEP YOU KNOW, IN THE CONDITION I AM AND GET $1000 A MONTH AND THEY CHOOSE TO GO GET THE MONEY. AND SO I THINK THE MORE WE CAN DO. TO HELP THAT ONE TIME HOMEOWNER FOR THE FIRST TIME HOME HOME BUYER. IT HELPS US TODAY, BUT IT ALSO HELPS US LONG TERM BECAUSE WE ULTIMATELY HAVE A HOUSING STOCK THAT IS FLEXIBLE INTO THE FUTURE. SO MY. MY TWO CENTS ON. BUILDING THIS BECAUSE I ALSO THINK OUR ISSUE WITH APARTMENTS IS THERE ARE PLACES THAT WILL ACCEPT. CERTAIN DENSITY AND CERTAIN SIZE OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO PROVIDE OWNERSHIP IN THAT SIZE AND DENSITY. AND THE MORE WE CAN FIND PRODUCTS AND ENCOURAGE MARKET THAT ACCEPTS THAT. I THINK THE BETTER I GET YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS AND THE HOUSING CONVERSATION. THIS NEW PROJECT THAT'S GOING UP SPUR 3 99 AND HIGHWAY FIVE. THERE'S A NICE LITTLE TOWN HOME PROJECTS THAT LOOKS NICE. WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING DESIGNATION THAT WOULD EVER ALLOW THAT AS AN OWNERSHIP PRODUCT. IT HAS TO BE AS A BILL DURANT PRODUCT HAS TO BE A COMBINED OWNERSHIP, SO IT HAS TO BE ULTIMATELY. VARIATION OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. BUT IF WE WOULD FIND OWNERSHIP MECHANISMS TO BRING ABOUT THAT DENSITY. AND THAT UNIT SIZE WE'VE GOT A MARKET THAT WILL BUY IT. AND WE NEED IT IN THE LONG TERM. SORRY.

I LIKE THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. THE NEXT STEPS. WE WILL DETERMINE BEST LEGAL STRUCTURE

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AS OPPOSED TO YOU KNOW HOW WE WOULD POSSIBLY HMM. YES, I THINK THEY SHOULD GO. SO IT'S GONNA BE A CASE BY CASE. ON THE PERCENTAGE OF AM I I'M WITH JUSTIN. THAT 50% OR LESS IS OBVIOUSLY ARE GREATEST GREATEST GREATEST NEED. SO TO ME, THAT WOULD BE A SIMPLE GUIDELINES TO GOOD WITH THAT. I AGREE. I JUST HAD ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT THE KIND OF GOES ALONG JUSTIN WITH YOUR LITTLE GRAPH YOU MADE THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER IF YOU SAY THIS RESTRICTIONS ON SELLING THE HOME TO ANOTHER AFFORDABLE APPLICANT IS THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE HOME THE FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER TAKE THAT NEXT STEP. BECAUSE HE'S LIMITED OR HE OR SHE IS LIMITED ON HOW MUCH THEY CAN MAKE ON THAT HOME. AND USUALLY AS WE KNOW IN THE HOUSING WORLD, LIKE YOU USED THAT EQUITY TO KIND OF MOVE UP, AND THEY KIND OF TO ME THAT KIND OF PIGEONHOLED. YOU JUST STAY WHERE YOU'RE AT. SO THE EQUITY FORMULA WOULD BE SET WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE EQUITY IN THE HOME THE VALUATION INCREASE AND THAT COULD BE 2% A YEAR AND THEN THAT WOULD YOU KNOW IF THEY STAYED IN THE HOME FOR 10 YEARS, BUT THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TO MAKE A DOWN PAYMENT ON THE MARKET RATE PRODUCT AT THAT TIME. AND YOU KNOW WITH THE OTHER, UM, THE FIRST TIME THE DOWN PAYER DOWN PAYMENT CLOSING COST ASSISTANCE.

THE MORTGAGE CERTIFICATE. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GET INTO MORE OF A HOUSE THAN THEY COULD OTHERWISE AFFORD. AND HOPEFULLY OVER THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD. THEY'VE THEY'VE GOTTEN INCREASED INCREASED. PAY THEM. YEAH, AND SUCCESS AND TOO, SO I MEAN, THERE'S THAT AND THEY'RE IN THE FINANCIALLY PROTECTED SITUATION ON THEIR MORTGAGE TO WHERE, AS THEY MAKE MORE THEY ARE ABLE TO SAVE MORE RIGHT WHEN WE WHEN YOU RENT YOU MARRY A NEGATIVE 100% RETURN, RIGHT? YOUR RENT'S GONE WHEN YOU BUY EVEN A 0% RETURN BEATS THE HELL OUT OF RENTING RIGHT BECAUSE AT LEAST YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK. THERE'S TWO ELEMENTS TO THE HOUSE AND CAD PUTS IT ON THERE.

THERE'S OUR LAND VALUE. THEN THERE'S OUR IMPROVEMENT VALUE, I THINK, AND I'M NOT TRYING TOWARDS YOUR MOUTH AND FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE WITH ME. BUT BY AND LARGE, THE FOLKS WOULD ONLY IMPROVEMENT VALUE, BUT THEY WOULD NEVER OWN THE LAND. SO THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW IT WOULD WORK. SO CERTAINLY YOU COULD MAKE THE CASE THAT THEY'D BE BETTER OFF BUYING ON THE MARKET OWNING THE LAND AND THE HOUSE. BUT THE POINT IS THAT FOR THESE FOLKS, THAT'S REALLY NOT THE CHOICE. THE CHOICE IS KIND OF BINARY BETWEEN RENTING AND BUYING THIS WHERE THEY'VE GOT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON IT. BUT MAN , WHAT A BLESSING FOR A LOT OF FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I'M JOHNNY . WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION? THAT WAS AND THERE IS ONE MORE.

ONE MORE SLIDE NEXT STEPS. THAT'S DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THIS OR YOU WANT ME TO PUT IT ON ANOTHER, UM, AGENDA. LET'S GO THROUGH. SO THE LAST IS LOCAL GAP VOUCHER PROGRAM. SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR OFFICE IS WE HAVE 24 PEOPLE NOW ON TENANT BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE, AND BY AND LARGE, THEY ARE SENIORS, PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES, AND IT'S HEARTBREAKING BECAUSE EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE IN TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENTS. THOSE ARE TIED TO MARKET RATES. SO THEIR TAX CREDIT, BUT THEY DO INCREASE. AND. WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR 24 MONTH TENANT BASED RUNNING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THEM ON HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS OR SOME OTHER KIND OF LONG TERM SUPPORT . SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SECURE HOUSING VOUCHERS. THEIR INCOME IS STATIC WITHOUT CONTINUED ASSISTANCE. THEY ARE AT HIGH RISK OF HOMELESSNESS. SO WE ARE PROPOSING A VOUCHER PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE FOR ONLY SENIORS AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY RESIDING IN TAX CREDIT PROPERTIES. UM THE HOUSEHOLD WOULD HAVE TO BE AT 30 TO 50% AM I AND THE PARTICIPANT WOULD PAY UP TO 30% OF THEIR INCOME TOWARD RENT. THIS IS VERY MUCH LIKE THE TENANT BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. THE AVERAGE COST WOULD BE ABOUT $10,000 A YEAR PER HOUSEHOLD. SO CURRENT CLIENTS, UM THESE ARE ACTUAL CLIENTS. 87 YEAR OLD WOMAN LIVING ALONE SPEAKS NO ENGLISH LEASING OFFICE AND DAUGHTER ASSISTED HER IN APPLYING FOR T B R. A HER INCOME IS SOCIAL SECURITY ALONE. SHE RECEIVES LESS THAN A LOT $11,000

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THAT WOULD TRADITIONALLY IT'S BEEN ONE UNIT FOR PER 80 RESIDENTS. SO ANYTHING IN THAT, AND IT'S CURRENTLY BASICALLY ONE FOR 70, SO OKAY? YES, SON. I'M GOOD. ALRIGHT THANK YOU TONIGHT.

AND SO, YES, ON THE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION ON IT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING WOULD BE A MISSED TOO, NOT TO MENTION AND I SHOULD HAVE HAD IT BROUGHT UP. BUT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. OPEN THERE. HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER. WAIT LIST PROGRAM ON OCTOBER, 18TH. IT OPENS ONLINE ONLY AT 11 A.M, AND THEY WILL CLOSE IT WHEN THEY RECEIVED 500 APPLICATIONS. AND SO, UM, AND THEY GIVE PREFERENCES. IN THEIR WAIT LIST FOR THOSE THAT ARE HOMELESS. DISPLACED BY A GOVERNMENT ENTITY OR VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

UM SO IF YOU ARE A RESOURCE PROVIDER THAT HAS BEEN WATCHING US OCTOBER 18TH AT 11 AM ONLINE ONLY AND THEY WILL LIKELY ADD 500 PEOPLE TO THEIR WAIT LIST IN A COUPLE HOURS. AS FAST AS THE COMPUTER AS WELL. ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. AND FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

JUST SINCE WE'RE GOING TO POINT TO SOME OF THE ISSUES. PORTABLE HOUSING WAS CREATED AS A PUBLIC HOUSING OR PUBLIC HOUSING WAS THE FIRST RENDITION OF THAT. KENNY HAD 204 UNITS. AT SOME POINT IN ITS HISTORY. WHEN HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS WERE ISSUED IN THE EIGHTIES, KENNY

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