Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Variance to a Site Plan for Automobile, Motorcycle Boat (Sales, Repair, or Storage) (McKinney Dodge Chrysler), Located at 400 South Central Expressway

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Variance to a Site Plan for Automobile, Motorcycle Boat (Sales, Repair, or Storage) (McKinney Dodge Chrysler), Located at 400 South Central Expressway]

APPRECIATE IT. WITH THAT THE FIRST ITEM. IS TO ONE DAY 0011 SP OF PUBLIC HEARING. TO CONSIDER A VARIANCE OR SITE PLAN FOR AUTOMOBILE, MOTORCYCLE, BOAT SALES REPAIR OR STORAGE.

MCKINNEY, DODGE CHRYSLER 400 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, MISS SHEFFIELD THANK YOU. CAITLYN SHEFFIELD PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. SO AS YOU MENTIONED APPLICANTS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A CAR DEALERSHIP FACILITY FOR MCKINNEY, DODGE, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 61,000 SQUARE FEET ON APPROXIMATELY 12 ACRES. THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED AND APPROVED UNDER THE CHAPTER 1 46 ZONING ORDINANCE SO PRIOR TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, THERE WAS UDC ADOPTIONS THAT WE HAD A LATE LAST YEAR. SO WITH THAT IN CHAPTER 1 46 DOORS ADJACENT ORIENTED TO NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A SCREENING DEVICE.

UM THE APPLICANT HAS COME FORWARD WITH THIS EVENING TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO WAIVE THAT SCREENING DEVICE, GIVEN THAT THE UDC NO LONGER REQUIRES SCREENING FOR BAY DOORS ORIENTED TOWARDS NON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. SO WITH THIS PROPERTY HERE BEING NONRESIDENTIAL AGAIN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT VARIANCE TONIGHT STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE, GIVEN THE FACTORS THAT THE UDC NO LONGER REQUIRES IT. UM AND I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CAITLIN QUESTIONS ANYONE? THERE'S THE MASONRY WALL ON THE WEST SIDE COVER THE SCREENING OF THE BAY DOOR. COORDINATES RESIDENTIAL. YES, SIR. SO THERE IS GOING TO BE A SCREENING DEVICE. LOCATED HERE. ADJACENT TO THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES UP TO THE THAT'S ALL 6 FT. MASONRY. YES, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? CAITLIN. THANK YOU IS THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW I

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SHOULD HAVE PRE FILLED THIS OUT. SO TRY AND GO. IT'S QUICKLY AS I CAN. SINCE YOU'RE THE APPLICANT WILL GIVE YOU A PASS TO GO AHEAD AND START. OH I DON'T NEED TO PAY UP. PUT YOUR SAYING, LET'S GET YOUR PRESENTATION ROLLING. THEN WHEN WE GET THROUGH, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO AFTER YOU WERE THROUGH. GIVE YOU TIME TO FILL IT OUT, MR CHAIRMAN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY. SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU. WE'RE ASKING FOR VARIATION ON OFFENSE, WHICH BY THE ORIGINAL REGULATIONS REQUIRED A . RIGHT IRON FANS, 6 FT RIGHT IRON FENCE WITH LANDSCAPES GREEN . I WANT TO, UH, REALLY BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE. PARTICULAR ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A RELIEF PROCEDURE ARTICLE TO ZONING REGULATIONS, ITEM G FLEXIBILITY AND RELIEF PROCEDURE. VARIANCE REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM STRICT APPLICATION OF ZONING PROVISIONS. WERE LITTLE ENFORCEMENT. REQUIREMENTS FOR EXOTIC, RESULTING UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP. AND ITEM. A VARIANCE PROCEDURE MAY BE USED TO AUTHORIZE VARIANTS FROM THE STRICT APPLICATION OF THIS CODE THAT ARE IN HARMONY WITH ITS GENERAL PURPOSE, PURPOSE AND INTENT. AND PROVIDED SUCH VARIANTS WILL ALLEVIATE SOME DEMONSTRATE HERBAL AND UNUSUAL HARDSHIP OR DIFFICULTY. AT THE SAME TIME, THE SURROUNDING FOR POP PROPERTIES WILL BE PROPERLY PROTECTED. AND APPROVAL CRITERIA IS NOT CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST IS THE MINIMUM VARIANCE NECESSARY TO GAIN THE RELIEF REQUESTED IS NOT SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF MITIGATING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP. IT'S NOT A DIRECT RESULT FROM ACTION PROPERTY OWNER AND DO THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF LITERAL ENFORCEMENT THAT CODE. WOULD RESULT IN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP SO THAT THE SPIRIT THE CODE IS OBSERVED AND SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE IS DONE. UM IS MISS CAITLYN STRICKLAND HERE TONIGHT? I WANT TO GIVE HER A SPECIAL THANKS FOR COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT YOUR ASSISTANCE. YOU'VE JUST BEEN WONDERFUL AND REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR US. THE PROPERTY IS NEXT TO HIS CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTION. IT'S NEXT TO A ALSO BEING CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTED ADJACENT TO IT ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE IS THE SPROUTS GROCERY STORE. WE DO HAVE MET THE INTENT OF THE SCREENING DEVICE, WHICH IS AGAIN UM. SCREENING WALL IS THERE FOR THE BAY DOORS ON RIGHT SIDE OF BUILDINGS. THIS IS SEPARATING THE AUTO DEALERSHIP. FROM THE SPROUTS GROCERY STORE. AND.

THERE IS, UM, A. GREEN EVERGREEN. LANDSCAPE PLANNING REQUIREMENT. THAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE THE SCREENING DEVICE. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THE VARIANCE IS REPLACEMENT OF THE WROUGHT IRON FANS ARE TUBULAR STEEL. WITH A CHAIN LINK FENCE, BUT NOT CHAIN LINK IN THE SENSE THAT WE NORMALLY THINK OF CHAIN LINK. THIS IS A BLACK VINYL PVC WRAP CHAIN LINK FENCE.

OF THE SAME 6 FT HEIGHT WITH BLACK TUBULAR STEEL SUPPORT CALMS 10 FT. ON CENTER THAT MATCHES THE SAME 10 FT SPACING. OF THE WROUGHT IRON. THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST. IS THAT THE WROUGHT IRON AND MASON REPAIRS THERE'S TWO REASONS WROUGHT IRON MASONRY PIERS. HAVE TO POTENTIAL. TWO. A CYST IN POTENTIAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, AND THAT IT'S WE FEEL LIKE IT'S EASIER TO GO OVER THAT MASONRY PEER THAN IT IS TO GO OVER THE CHAIN LINK FENCE. BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BASICALLY GRABBED THE TOP OF THE PIERRE HOP ON TOP OF IT AND GO OVER. CAR DEALERSHIPS AND JEFF YARBOROUGH'S HERE WITH MCKINNEY DODGE, BY THE WAY. ARE ARE SUBJECT TO A LOT OF THEFT.

THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PROBLEMS. THESE DAYS, NOT PARTICULARLY AT MCKINNEY DODGE, BUT IT'S THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY IN GENERAL. SO IT'S A IT'S A WE FEEL LIKE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP MITIGATE THAT. BUT STILL ADHERING TO THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. WHICH IS THE SCREENING DEVICE. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT THE SPROUTS GROCERY STORE. HAS IT. PARKING

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FOR THE GRASS PROCESS GROCERY STORE. THE OUTERMOST PARKING THE SPROUTS GROCERY STORE IS GOING TO BE UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE OF ANY DODGE. DEALERSHIP AND WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO COMMIT AN ACT OF BURGLARY OR THEFT OR SOMETHING OF THAT MOST LIKELY THEY'RE NOT GONNA THEY'RE GOING TO PARK IN THE SPROUTS, PARKING LOT AND ACCESS TO PROPERTY THAT BY THAT MEANS THE OTHER, UH. HARDSHIP WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT AT THAT END OF THE SPROUTS PARKING LOT THERE. THE POTENTIAL. WE KNOW THAT SPROUTS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR. IT'S NOTHING AGAINST SPROUTS. BUT THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR LITTER AND TRASH. TO BE DEPOSITED ON THE GROUND TO SPROUT AND MIGRATE THROUGH THE ROD IRON FANS AND OVER ONTO THE DEALERSHIP PROPERTY. AND. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE DEALERSHIP PROPERTY BE KEPT AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO HARDSHIPS. THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE THOSE ARE THE TWO HARDSHIP REASONS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE REQUEST. AND I'LL CONTINUE FILLING THIS. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO FIRST THE FENCING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THE CHAIN LINK FENCING? YES DO YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES OF WHAT THAT MATERIAL LOOKS LIKE IN THE DIAMETER OF THE CHAIN LIKE I DO. UM I WE PUT PUT A WHOLE PRESENTATION PACKAGE TOGETHER. CAITLIN I GUESS, UM WE DIDN'T YOUR SHOT WE'RE SHOWING. JUST THESE TWO IMAGES ARE PART OF OURS. SO IF YOU'RE FREE IF YOU ALLOW ME, I CAN PRESENT IT. WITH IT. PAPER DOCUMENT. WILL THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? I'M JUST CURIOUS. NO WOODEN TERMS OF. DURABILITY OF THE CHAIN LINK FENCING DURABLE. VERSUS THE ROD IRON FENCING BECAUSE ONE OF YOUR CONCERNED WAS TRASH, POTENTIALLY BLOWING OVER INTO THE DODGE PARKING LOT, COULDN'T IT GO OVER THE CHAIN LINK FENCE AS WELL? OKAY? WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT PICKING UP WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY? SO CLARIFY AS WELL. SO OKAY, THE THERE'S UM, DANCING REQUIREMENT OR SCREENING REQUIREMENT AND THEN FENCING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT SCREENING VARIANCES WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE WAIVED TODAY? AND THAT COMES FROM THE CHAPTER 1 46 OF SCREENING DEVICES. IF THERE'S NO SCREENING REQUIRED THAT AN APPLICANT CAN PUT UP A FENCE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AS LONG AS IT FALLS ARE FENCING ORDINANCE. AND CHAIN LINK FENCE IS ONE OF THOSE PROPOSED VINCE'S THAT'S ALLOWED OKAY. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANYONE ELSE? OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IF YOU COME TONIGHT AND LIKE TO ADDRESS PLANNING HIS OWN REGARDING THIS PROPOSED VARIANCES SITE PLAN. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. EMOTIONAL MR LABOLT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOODARD. ANY DISCUSSION ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THE MOTION PASSES. THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED AND WE HAVE QUESTIONS. OF EITHER THE AFRICAN OR STAFF. ANYONE. COMMENTS. MOTIONS. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. THE 1001 SP. OF EMOTION BY MR HAGSTROM TO IMPROVE. THE ITEM AS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 2ND 2ND BY MR TAYLOR. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THIS MOTION IS APPROVED. THE VARIANCE HAS BEEN APPROVED. SOMEONE LET HIM KNOW THAT HIS ITEM WAS APPROVED. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.

APPRECIATE. YOU'RE WELCOME. THE NEXT ITEM IS 22-0118 SP. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A VARIANT

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on Variances to a Site Plan for Auto Repair Garage (Tovi Motors), Located at 1004 South McDonald Street]

SUICIDE PLAN FOR AUTO REPAIR GARAGE. TOBY MOTORS, THIS IS AT 1004. SOUTH MCDONALDS STREET, MR BENNETT. GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK. YES GOOD TO BE BACK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIRMAN. GOOD

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EVENING COMMISSION. JAKE BENNETT, PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A SITE PLAN WITH VARIANCES REQUESTED BY TOBY MOTORS. TYPICALLY SITE PLANS ARE APPROVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL, HOWEVER, WHEN VARIANCES SUCH AS THESE ARE REQUESTED, THEY'RE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION. THE SITE PLAN WAS REVIEWED UNDER CHAPTER 1 46 OF THE PREVIOUS CODE AS IT WAS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO NOVEMBER . 15TH 2022 THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A 5888 SQUARE FOOT AUTO REPAIR GARAGE ON REDEVELOPMENT SITE. LOCATED ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE. THE FIRST THREE VARIANCES INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT ARE REGARDING LANDSCAPE SETBACKS ALONG RIGHTS OF WAIT. STAFF UNDERSTANDS THE NEED FOR THESE VARIANCES AND WE'RE TO PROMOTE REDEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY ON AN EXISTING LOT THAT OFFERS CHALLENGES. THE NEXT THREE VARIANCES, INCLUDING THE STAFF REPORT REGARDING ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. BECAUSE OF THE SUBJECT BECAUSE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE H S A OR THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AREA. CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS EXIST. STAFF ALSO DOES NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THESE VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED. THE NEXT VARIANCES REGARDING THE ORIENTATION OF THE BAY DOORS TOWARD THE RIGHT OF WAY. STAFF ACKNOWLEDGES THE CHALLENGES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE NEED TO ORIENT THE BETA WORDS BAY DOORS TOWARDS MCDONALDS STREET INSTEAD OF TOWARDS THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST.

THE FINAL TWO VARIANCES ARE REGARDING SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR COMPONENTS INCLUDED ON SITE.

ALL OUT OVER PAIR GARAGES ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AN AREA ON THE SITE FOR OVERNIGHT STORAGE OF VEHICLES AWAITING REPAIR. IN THIS AREA IS REQUIRED TO BE SCREENED. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING TO INCLUDE ANY SCREAMED DEVICE FOR THIS. THERE ARE ALSO NOT PROVIDING ANY ADDITIONAL SCREENING LONG MCDONALD STREET FOR THE BAY DOORS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AND ORIENTED THERE. WHILST STAFF DOES NOT HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THE FIRST SEVEN VARIANTS IS BEING REQUESTED. WE CANNOT OFFER A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE LAST TWO REGARDING SCREEN. AS SUCH STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND ALL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, JAKE. JUST REAL QUICK ON THE ON OUR TELEPROMPTER. COULD YOU HIGHLIGHT AND SHOW US WHERE MCDONALD IS AND WHERE THE EXCEPTIONS ARE PROPOSED TO BE, OF COURSE. SO THIS IS MCDONALDS STREET RIGHT HERE? AND THESE BAY DOORS ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE RIGHT OF WAY. THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM ALONG HERE. ACTUALLY, 51 IS JUST GOING TO BE FOR, UM, EQUIPMENT NOT FOR SERVICING. UM AND THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL SCREENING PROVIDED ALONG THE FRONTAGE HERE OTHER THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR STREET BUFFER, LANDSCAPING AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, WHICH THEY HAVE PROVIDED. UM BUT THOSE SPACES ARE TO BE STRICTLY USED FOR OVERNIGHT STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND, UM, ARE MEANT TO BE SCREENED FOR THE CODE. THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING ANY SCREENING FOR THOSE THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ON SITE. WE'RE GOOD, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS GOING TO BE A MODIFICATION OR TEAR DOWN? WHAT'S THERE? THIS IS GOING TO BE. I BELIEVE A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE SITE. THEY'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE EXISTING BUILDING. UM, ADD SOME LANDSCAPING IN HERE. UM, PUNCH THE FIRE LANE THROUGH UM AT ALL THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY NEW BUILDING. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE NEW ON THE SITE. IS THE WALL AROUND THE DUMPSTER AND THE LANDSCAPING IS THAT DOES THAT QUALIFIES AS APPROPRIATE? UM SO IT IS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. BUT AFTER, UM CONSIDERATIONS WITH THEIR SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.

THEY THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST WAY TO SERVICE THE LOCATION. UM AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE ALONG THREE RIGHTS OF WAY. SO THEY HAVE MCDONALD ON THE FRONT. THEY HAVE GARISH. ON THE SOUTH. AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE CHESTNUT ON THE BACK. UM THOSE RIGHTS AWAY CAN'T BE USED TO, UM SERVICE ANY COMMERCIAL DUMPSTERS SO IT NEEDS TO BE LOCATED ON SITE SOMEWHERE AND THE ORIENTATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE WAY THE SITE IS SET UP. AGAIN. IT'S ONLY A HALF ACRE SITE, SO IT DOES OFFER SOME CHALLENGES THAT ENDED UP BEING THE BEST LOCATION. AND THE WAY IT'S SHOWN ON THERE. IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, JUST GOING TO BE JETTED OUT FROM THE WALL, SO IT'S GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE MASONRY ENCLOSURE AROUND IT IN TROUBLE AS WELL. SO JAKE, IS THIS THAT? UH, OLD CAR WASH. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. DO THEY HAVE

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A DUMPSTER THERE NOW, CURRENTLY , UM I CAN'T RECALL IF THERE'S A DUMPSTER ON THE SIDE. UM I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE THERE'S NOT AN ENCLOSURE IF THERE IS ONE LIKELY WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST. I BELIEVE THAT ADJUSTING CORN, UM CAR WASH. UM. FOR THE CUSTOMERS TO COME UP AND UTILIZE IT THEMSELVES. THEY MIGHT JUST HAVE COMMERCIAL TOTERS THAT WERE UTILIZED ON SITE INSTEAD OF A FULL COMMERCIAL DUMPSTER. BECAUSE WHEN I WAS WRITING THAT SITE OUT THE ADDRESSES THE NUMBERS. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO FOR ME TO TELL. OKAY SO IT'S ALREADY SO MANY UM. USED CAR LOTS UP AND DOWN THAT STREET. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL. WHAT'S WHAT ANYONE ELSE? OTHER QUESTIONS? JAKE THINKS DESERVING APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT. I BELIEVE SO. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. I'M LANCE CODE WITH HUGE CIVIL CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. AND THEY GAVE PRETTY GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE SITE. IT'S A IT'S A DIFFICULT SITE. IT'S A SMALL SITE. IT'S FAIRLY NARROW, AND IT HAS THREE FRONTAGE IS WE WORKED WITH JAKE . I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BACK AND FORTH WE HAD TRYING TO TRYING TO GET THE LAYOUT JUST RIGHT. AH MOST OF THE VARIANTS OF DIZZY TALKED ABOUT WERE SPOT ON THE COUPLE THAT THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. I WANTED GIVE A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT, UH IF. THE SITE PLAN ITSELF HAS A NOTE IN THERE, AND THE OWNER HAS STATED HE DOES NOT INTEND TO HAVE CARS HERE OVERNIGHT. SO OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS EVEN THOUGH WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THOSE SPACES THAT THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE OVERNIGHT STORAGE. IF ANYBODY IS WORKING ON A CAR THAT WOULD TRAIL INTO THE NEXT DAY, IT WOULD BE LEFT INSIDE IN THE BAY . HE JUST HAS SOME SECURITY CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING OUTSIDE, SO AH, WITHOUT THAT BEING INTENDED, WE HADN'T DESIGNATED ANY SPECIFIC SPOTS FOR THAT. SO WE HADN'T DONE ANY SCREENING FOR THAT. WE CERTAINLY CAN AND WERE REQUIRED, I TO HAVE FOUR OVERNIGHT PARKING SPOTS. UH WHICH I'M ASSUMING WOULD BE ALONG THE FRONTAGE THERE. AND TO DO SCREENING FOR THAT, UH, WOULD BE BETWEEN THAT AND MCDONALDS STREET. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE THERE ALREADY WITH SOME OF THE OTHER VARIANCES. UM THERE'S ALSO SOME POWER LINES THERE SO IT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO DO SCREENING. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DOING IT. UM BUT IT'S A DIFFICULT THING TO DO. AND I THINK WE'RE OVERWHELMING THE AREA IF WE JUST TRY AND DO IT WITH VEGETATION.

UH, WERE NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO DO A SCREENING WITH A WALL THERE SIMPLY BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THE VISIBILITY FROM THE ROAD IS A BETTER UH, SECURITY ENHANCEMENT THAN A WALL WOULD BE JUST HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE AREA IN GENERAL, UH, NOT BEING VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD, SO THE VEGETATION WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO PUT IN A SOLID SCREEN WALL FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY ALONG MCDONALD. UM IF WE WANTED TO SCREEN THE BACK AND WE HAVE THREE AND LIKE, MAYBE IT'S GOOD . STRETCH IT BEFORE IN THE BACK, AND WE COULD DO SCREENING ALONG CHESTNUT. AND THAT I WOULDN'T MIND BEING IN THE FORM OF A WALL, SO I KNOW THAT DOESN'T GET RESOLVED TONIGHT, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT A CONDITION ON THAT SAYS WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO SCREENING FOR WHERE WE DESIGNATE OVERNIGHT PARKING. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE IN THE RIGHT FORMAT. AND THEN THE OTHER , AND HE TALKED ABOUT THE WHYS BEHIND WHY THE THEY DOORS ARE FACING MCDONALDS STREET. UH JUST FROM A FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT, IT WAS REALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS SITE WORKED AGAIN. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO SCREENING. I DON'T KNOW OF A GOOD WAY TO SCREEN THOSE WITH THE ENTRANCE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOORS. THE WAY IT IS. THE BAY DOORS ARE I CAN'T COME UP WITH A GOOD SOLUTION FOR SCREENING THOSE THAT THAT'S KIND OF A I HAVE TO KIND OF PUT IT IN YOUR COURT IS IF WE IF WE JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE BAY DOORS THERE THAT I DON'T KNOW OF A WAY TO MAKE THIS SITE WORK, BUT IF WE CAN GET THAT VARIANCE AND THEN WE CAN WORK WITH JACOB ON THE WHERE WE DESIGNATE THOSE OVERNIGHT SPOTS . WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. BUT THE DEBATE OR SCREENING IS THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT ONE TO GET AROUND. SO AND AGAIN, JAKE AND I WORKED TOGETHER. I THINK WE'VE BEEN CLOSE TO A YEAR ON THIS THING. SO UH, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT KIND OF THE BEST OPTION. WE HAVE THAT DUMPSTER. I HEARD THAT COME UP. WE TRIED TO PUT IT BEHIND. WE TRY TO ACCESS OFF OF CHESTNUT AND IT JUST IT JUST DIDN'T WORK. WE LEFT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN LENGTH TO GET IN AND SERVICE IT WITHOUT STICKING OUT THE RIGHT AWAY. AND IT JUST IT ATE UP TOO MUCH OF THE SITE. UM I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT DEMOLITION THEY HAD THE IDEA IS TO DEMOLISH WHAT'S THERE AND REPLACE IT WITH THIS. I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'M CERTAINLY AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE ANY GO AHEAD. ERIC, ONE OF THE NOTES FROM STAFF IS IN ORDER TO HAVE

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THOSE DOORS ORIENTED, THAT THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS TO DIVIDE DESIGN SOME KIND OF OTHER MITIGATION THERE THE WAY THE DOORS LOOK, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS THAT BEEN EXPLORED ANY FURTHER ASIDE FROM JUST A STANDARD BAY DOOR? WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND WE CERTAINLY CAN, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DOOR AND I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT ON THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THERE'S PROBABLY OPTIONS FOR BAIT DOORS. I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT, UM JUST TALKING ABOUT DRESSING THEM UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU CAN'T REALLY ORIENT THEM DIFFERENTLY, BUT YOU COULD AT LEAST MAKE THEM NOT LOOK NECESSARILY LIKE A STANDARD GARAGE KIND OF ROLL UP DOOR. PERHAPS I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION. I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT GARAGE DOORS, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD WORK THROUGH, TOO, IF WE CAN. I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO GET THIS RESOLVED TONIGHT. IF WE CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK OUT. IN THE MEANTIME, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK THROUGH. I WOULD THINK THAT PRIMARILY THE BAY DOORS ARE GOING TO BE REMAINING OPEN, AREN'T THEY? DURING THE DAY WORK HOURS DURING THE DAY? THEY TYPICALLY DO? YEAH DESIGN WOULDN'T HELP THAT. OH NO, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE EVENINGS WEEKENDS. I THINK I'D BE THE ONLY TIME YOU SEE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. AND I'M I'M CONFUSED. THERE'S NO OVERNIGHT PARKING IS YOUR NUMBER EIGHT STATEMENT. BUT THEN YOU SAY YOU'RE MAKING ROOM FOR SOME OVERNIGHT PARKING. YEAH AND JACOB AND I HAD SOME COMMUNICATION ISSUES WHO HAD ALSO WE DON'T INTEND TO PARK OVERNIGHT IN THEIR, UH, JAKE SAID EARLIER. IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU ACCOMMODATE OVERNIGHT PARKING. AH WE DON'T INTEND TO HAVE PEOPLE OVERNIGHT PARKED THERE. THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE HAVEN'T DONE SCREENING THERE. BUT IF WE NEED TO DESIGNATE SOME AS OVERNIGHT PARKING AND SCREEN THOSE I THINK WE COULD DO SOMETHING ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE OWNERS INDICATED HE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE ANY CARS PARKED THERE OVERNIGHT THAT IF SOMEBODY IS WAITING FOR SERVICE THE NEXT DAY, THE PARK IT INSIDE. IF SERVICE TAKES MORE THAN ONE DAY. IT WOULD ALSO BE PARKED INSIDE. SO THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. IT'S A IT'S A CODE ISSUE THAT THEY REQUIRE US TO HAVE OVERNIGHT PARKING ABOUT ANY SHORT TERM REPAIRS THAT MIGHT BE DONE OUTSIDE IN THE OVERNIGHT PARKING. AH! THEY ARE ALL REPAIR IS GOING TO BE IN THE BUILDING.

OR IS THERE GONNA BE? YES THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. I NO, I HAVEN'T ASKED THAT QUESTION MYSELF. BUT I KNOW THE INTENTION IS THAT THEY WOULD ALL BE INSIDE. JUST THE APPLICANT IS ALREADY STANDING. WAS GOING TO BE THE HOURS OF OPERATION. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE MY KNOWLEDGE HERE. I HATE TO SPECULATE ON THAT JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT THE OWNER. I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT. I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WOULD BE NORMAL. MECHANICS HOURS OF OPERATION IF WE WANTED IF WE WANTED TO PUT THAT, IN SOME SORT OF CONDITION WE COULD I'M ASSUME THAT THE MECHANICS WOULD BE 7 TO 7 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THE REASON I ASKED IS RIGHT THERE ON MCDONALD AND ELM STREET. THERE'S A TOWER SHOP. IT RUNS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. OH LITERALLY FROM SUNUP TO WAY PAST SUNDOWN, AND SO I DIDN'T WANT THE FELLA. MISSION IS TO THINK THAT I WAS ASKING A QUESTION THAT WAS WAY OUT OF BOUNDS. I UNDERSTAND THEY OPERATE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK THERE ON THAT CORNER. I THINK SOMETHING ELSE TO NOTE AS WELL IS THAT SAME OPERATION DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES TO SERVICE ALL OF THE VEHICLES THAT GO THROUGH THERE, SO A LOT OF VEHICLES ACTUALLY CLOUD UP THE STREET PARKING AROUND THE SIDES OF THAT, AND THAT IS ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME AS IF YOU'VE GOT FOUR BAYS AND YOU HAVE FOUR OTHER CARS WORKING AND YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME OVERNIGHT SOME NOT OVERNIGHT. YOU'VE GOT PARTS DELIVERY PEOPLE. YOU HAVE CUSTOMERS. YOU HAVE OFFICE PEOPLE. THOSE PARKING SPOTS ARE ALL TAKEN. AND NOW YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE FLOODING THE STREETS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP CLEAN. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT ON THIS LOT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO GIVE JAKE CREDIT. IT WAS WE HAD AN EXTRA BAY IN THERE AT ONE TIME BECAUSE WE WEREN'T DOING THE OVERNIGHT PARKING AND WE WERE TRYING TO PUSH THAT ISSUE A LITTLE BIT. UM AND HE HELD HIS GROUND AND SAID, NO, IT'S A CODE DRIVEN THING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT NUMBER MARKINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY REDUCED IT BY OBEY THEIR SO TO HIS CREDIT HE HAS HE HAS ENHANCED OUR PARKING COUNT. ANYONE ELSE. OTHER QUESTIONS DID I SEE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOME TYPE OF STRUCTURE ABOVE THE GARAGE BAYS LIKE A PLATFORM AND AWNING. OR MY GETTING IT. OH THE BOUND AROUND THAT, OKAY, SO THAT, UM IS FOR VARIANTS. THAT'S IN THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. I BELIEVE THE FRONT FACE. SO THE EASTERN ELEVATION HERE BECAUSE IT IS IN THE HS A OR THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AREA.

THEY DO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENT OF MASONRY THAT THEY DO NEED TO PROVIDE ON THAT ELEVATION, WHICH

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IS 50% BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVIDING THE METAL PANELS THAT ARE ABOVE THE DOORS. THAT RATIO CAME DOWN ONLY 2 48% SO THERE ARE ONLY 2% UNDER THAT. UM, AGAIN. STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT, UM, VARIANTS THERE, BUT IT IS ONE OF THE VARIANTS IS THAT IS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

NO HEADER AT THE TOP OF THE YEAH , YEAH, IT'S JUST A PANEL. YEP. BE TRUE ARCHITECTURE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE RIGHT. NO ONE ELSE. MISTER WATLEY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND I'M VERY SORRY. UM I'M LOOKING AT THE NAME. IS THIS TIED INTO ONE OF THOSE CAR DEALERSHIPS. TO THE SOUTH. I CAN'T SAY FOR THE SAME OWNER. IT IS OKAY. THANK YOU CAN'T SAY FOR SURE, THOUGH.

THANK YOU SURE ANYONE ELSE? MR COLE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS WHEN WE GET THROUGH WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON ME IF YOU COME TONIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING REGARDING THIS PROPOSED VARIANTS TO SITE PLAN. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. MAKE MOTIONS CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING EMOTIONAL EMOTIONALLY WELL TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MISTER WATLEY, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED. SO NOW WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS MEMBERS, MR. LEBEAU BACK UP, JAKE, YOU'RE UP, BUDDY. YES SIR . JAKE I SEE THAT WE HAVE MINIMIZED LANDSCAPE BUFFERING. ESPECIALLY FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT A BUSINESS THAT DOES WELL WITH FOUR BAYS IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOME OVERNIGHT PARKING. IS THERE ANY KIND OF THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY KIND OF ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT AFTER IF WE APPROVED THIS WOULD THERE UM, IF YOU APPROVE THE VARIANTS TO NOT SCREEN THE OVERNIGHT STORIES WE APPROVED AS IT IS, YEAH, THEY CAN STILL PARK OVERNIGHT. IF THEY WANTED TO. THEY THAT'S CORRECT. THEY COULD SO THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES, WHICH IS FOR ADDITIONAL SPACES. ON TOP OF THE OTHER PARTNER REQUIREMENTS. THEY ARE PROVIDING THOSE SPACES.

THEY'RE JUST NOT PROVIDING THE SCREENING FOR THOSE SPACES. YES THEY COULD STILL PARK OVERNIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT IF THEY IF THEY NEEDED TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD NOTE THAT WITHIN THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES WE DO HAVE RESTRICTIONS FOR THE USE OF PARKING SPACES FOR THE STORAGE OF INOPERABLE VEHICLES. SO IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH A SAY A CAR THAT'S FRONT END IS OFF AND THEY'RE LEAVING IT OVERNIGHT IN THE PARKING, THEY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. SO SOMETHING TO NOTE. OF COURSE, IF SOMEBODY IT'S A CAR THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE, AND IT'S PARKED THERE. OVERNIGHT CODE MAY NOT KNOW. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE CARS THAT ARE BANGED UP, AND THEY'RE STORED THERE FOR DAYS ON END THAT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION. COVID PROBABLY SEE IT AND IT WOULD GET CITED. FORD DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES.

WHICH ONES ARE THOSE? DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED ON HERE. THE FOUR SPACES WERE JUST ADDED INTO THE GENERAL PARKING COUNT LIKE LANCE HAD SAID, IF THEY DO NEED TO DESIGNATE THOSE, AND IF THEY DO NEED TO ADD SOME SORT OF SCREENING, YOU WOULD LIKELY BE ON THE WEST END HERE. SO SOMEWHERE, PROBABLY IN THIS AREA. UM AGAIN THAT DOES INCLUDE ONE OF THEIR 88 SPACES SO THEY WOULD NEED TO FIND ANOTHER AREA FOR THAT. I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE IT THERE THAN FACING MCDONALD. SO JAKE, HOW DO WE ADDRESS? DO WE ADDRESS? EMPLOYEE PARKING UM SO. IN OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE PARKING SECTION OF THE UDC. WE JUST HAVE A CERTAIN RATIO OF PARKING AND WE HAVE CERTAIN PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THIS CASE FOR EACH PAY FOR THE USE. WE HAVE THOSE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UM IN PLACE TO HELP UM. MITIGATE FOR ANY PARKING THAT'S GOING TO END UP ON THE STREET FOR COMMERCIAL USES. IF THEY ARE OVER PART, UM THEN. YEAH, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND IN PLACE, BUT IF THEY END UP HAVING MORE CARS ON ON AROUND THAT AREA. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE

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WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I THINK THEY ARE PERMITTED TO PARK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM IF NEEDED SO. JAKE I SEE. THIS IS ABOUT A 6000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. THESE LOTS ARE SO SHALLOW AND DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP. WHAT SIZE BUILDING WOULD FIT ON THERE AND QUALIFY UNDER LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AND 3000 SQUARE FEET. IT'S HARD TO SAY, UM IT WOULD REALLY JUST BE ABLE TO IN AN APPLICANT AND TRYING TO FIT A BUILDING ON THERE AND GET MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND MEET LANDSCAPE BUFFERS MEET THE FIRE LANE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY HARD TO GET INADEQUATELY SIZED BUILDING ON THIS LOT AGAIN. IT'S ONLY HALF AN ACRE AND IT'S VERY SHALLOW, SO IT WOULD BE HARD TO MEET. UM THE CURRENT LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS ARE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UM AND THEN WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR BEING IN THE ECE AS WELL. SO JAKE IF THEY DECIDE TO START USING OVERNIGHT PARKING, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE FOUR SPACES DESIGNATED, COULD THEY, IN THEORY, FILL UP THE PARKING LOT OVERNIGHT? OR CAN THEY ONLY USE THOSE FOUR SPACES AND CAN'T EXCEED THAT DAY, AND DEREK COULD AND LIKE JENNIFER HAD SAID, IF THEY ARE PARKING UNUSABLE VEHICLES OVERNIGHT IN THOSE SPACES THAN CODE ENFORCEMENT COULD POTENTIALLY WRITE THEM A CITATION OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT SEEMINGLY OPERABLE CARS THAT ARE JUST THERE FOR A NIGHT. THEY COULD HAVE EVERY SINGLE SPACE IN THAT ENTIRE LOT FILLED UP AT THAT POINT AND PULL THEM ALL UNDER THE BASE IN THE MORNING AND START WORKING ON THEM.

GREAT, THANKS. ANYONE ELSE? YOU KNOW THE GOOD NEWS. THE APPLICANT HAS FRONTAGE ON THREE STREETS AND THE OTHER NEWS. THE APPLICANT HAS FRONTAGE ON THREE STREETS. THAT'S CORRECT. YEP.

YEP. IT'S A CHALLENGING SITE. BUT WHAT IS PROPOSED IS, UH BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.

YES, SIR. I AGREE. WHICH IS A CLOSED CAR WASH. YES SIR. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF THESE VARIANCES, MAKING A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE TEAM TO COME TOGETHER. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT FOR THE OVERNIGHT VEHICLES. I THINK AS, UH, DR LABOW POINTED OUT ANYBODY THAT SURVIVES BEYOND TOBY MOTORS WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. UM AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS. ANYONE ELSE? IT'S YOU JUST LOOK AT HIGHWAY FIVE. NO MATTER WHAT WE DO AT THE FRONT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK ON THE BACKSIDE ON THE CHESTNUT SIDE. AND WHEN YOU TRY TO DRIVE DOWN CHESTNUT IT'S IT DOES NOT LOOK VERY STATICALLY PLEASING. I THINK THERE'S A CHURCH THAT'S DIRECTLY NEXT TO THIS LOT ON THE BACKSIDE AND UM I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO TOO MUCH. AND, UM I REALIZED THAT. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE CAR WASH WAS CLOSED. BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. WITH THE SITE RIGHT THERE ON VIRGINIA. THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT ABOUT WHAT BEST GOES ON THAT LOT. AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING YET, AND THAT CAR WASH IS CLOSED. I WOULD CHALLENGE US NOT TO BE IN A BIG HAIRY AND ACCEPT JUST ANYTHING GOING THERE. A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT INTO. SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISTER WATLEY. DID HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT. COME ON, MR COAST, PLEASE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS OVERNIGHT SCREENING AND EMPLOYEE PARKING AND CLOGGING UP FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO SAID THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES. YOU REFERENCE THAT YOU MIGHT BE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THE SCREENING PORTION TO MEET THAT PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE. CAN YOU ADDRESS EMPLOYEE PARKING, AND, UM, OTHER THAN IT'S OUT OF YOUR PAY GRADE? IS THERE SOMETHING YOU COULD WEIGH IN ON? EIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING MY DISCUSSIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU WOULD HAVE A MECHANIC FOR EACH BAY. UM, SO THAT WOULD USE THE 44 OF THE SPACES. AS THE CARS COME INTO THE SHOP, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ONE THEY'RE WORKING ON IN THE BAY. AND THE ONE THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO WORK ON NEXT IN A PARKING SPOT, SO THAT WOULD USE UP FOR MORE OF THE SPOTS. UH THERE MAY BE A PERSON IN THE OFFICE OF PROBABLY JUST ONE THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. SO THERE'S THREE SPOTS THERE. SO IF THE BASE OF THE WORK IN THE BASE ARE GETTING BACKED UP, AND THEY HAVE TWO CARS WAITING. YOU HAVE ONE EXTRA CAR. I DON'T KNOW HOW LIKELY THAT IS TO HAPPEN. BUT THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF HOW THOSE SPACES COULD FILL UP. I DON'T KNOW HOW LIKELY IT IS THAT YOU HAVE TWO

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CARS WAITING FOR EACH BABY. PROBABLY NOT VERY BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE MATH. I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S HOW THE ORDINANCE KIND OF GOT DEVELOPED. AND WHAT THOSE SPACES MEAN. SO IF YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY WORKING THAT DAY, AND EVERYBODY VERY BUSY, YOU COULD FILL UP THIS PARKING LOT. I THINK. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS JACOB THAT SAID THIS, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME STREET PARKING NOT A GREAT OPTION WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO WORK, BUT IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT? A SMALLER FOOTPRINT OF A BUILDING. WELL THAT'S KIND OF THE OTHER OPTION IS THE BUILDING IS DEEP ENOUGH. THAT YOU COULD PULL THE CAR IN IN FRONT OF THE CAR YOU'RE WORKING ON. IT DOES HAVE ITS A 50 FT BUILDING, I THINK IS WHERE WE LANDED. SO YOU DO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM THAT YOU COULD PULL AN EXTRA CAR IN THERE? I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD PUT A CONDITION ON THAT ANY ADDITIONAL VEHICLES WOULD BE STORED INSIDE. UH, BUT THERE IS THERE IS ROOM TO STACK CARS. NOSE TO BUMPER NOSE TO TAIL. GOING IN. THIS ORDINANCE PREVENT US FROM HAVING A DRIVE THRU BAY THAT HAS OPENINGS ALL THE WAY OUT UNDER THE CHESTER ON THE BACK, OR IT DOES JUST BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH WIDTH ON THERE TO HAVE. THAT WOULD BE EVERY BAY WOULD EXIT DIRECTLY ONTO CHESTNUT STREET. SO WE'D LOVE TO DO THAT, BY THE WAY, IF WE COULD DO THAT, AND JUST HAVING PULLING IN ON CHESTNUT, THAT'D BE GREAT, BUT YEAH, JACOB SAID NO TO THAT. OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ANYONE? THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PLEASURE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY. 220118 SP DUE TO LACK OF SCREENING BEING PROPOSED. EMOTIONAL, MR HELLSTROM TO DENY THE APPLICANTS REQUEST. SECOND BY MR LEBEL WAS THERE. ANY DISCUSSION. YOU WON PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. YES TO VOTE. NO. THE MOTION CARRIES BY VOTE OF SIX IN FAVOR AND ONE AGAINST MISSED STRICKLAND. WHAT WOULD THE APPLICANTS OPTIONS BEING NOW? THE APPLICANT CAN WORK WITH JAKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PARKING AS WELL AS THE BAY DOORS WERE, THEY CAN HAVE THE OPTION TO APPEAL THE DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL. VERY GOOD. JAKE CAN YOU QUOTE YOUR YOU GOT THIS VERY GOOD? OKAY THE NEXT ITEM IS 23-005 SP, A PUBLIC HEARING. TO

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Design Exception to a Site Plan for Retail Sales and Restaurant, Drive-In or Drive-Through (Panera), Located at 2051 Eldorado Parkway]

CONSIDER A DESIGN EXCEPTION TO A SITE PLAN FOR RETAIL SALES AND RESTAURANT DRIVIN OR DRIVE THROUGH PANERA. THIS IS AT 2051 EL DORADO PARKWAY. SORRY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AT A SILLY WHAT THEY PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU AS A DESIGN, EXCEPTION FOR RETAIL SALES AND RESTAURANT AND DRIVE AND DRIVE THROUGH AT THIS LOCATION. LOOK 50 EXCUSE ME, 2051 EL DORADO PARKWAY, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 1.12 ACRES.

TYPICALLY SITE PLANTS CAN BE APPROVED. AT THE STAFF LEVEL. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A DESIGN EXCEPTION, WHICH REQUIRES YOUR ATTENTION FOR APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REDUCTION TO THE REQUIRED 30 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG ELDORADO PARKWAY. UM I HAVE NOTED HERE FOR REFERENCE TO KIND OF FACILITATORS. I'M GOING ALONG HERE. UM SO I WAS ASKING FOR A REDUCTION FOR A REQUIRED 30 FT LANDSCAPE ALONG EL DORADO PARKWAY FRONTAGE TO A 20 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER DUE TO SITE LIMITATIONS. THE PROPERTY IS A CORNER LOT, WHICH FRONTS ONTO SOUTH EL DORADO PARKWAY AND WEST OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. SO HERE YOU HAVE ELDORADO AND THEN , UH, SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY ALONG THIS LINE. AH FRONTAGE IS SHALL OBSERVE THE GREATEST MINIMUM STREET. BUT FOR WITH A 30 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS REQUIRED TO BE OBSERVED AS THE PROPERTY ALONG SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY EXPRESSWAY. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ELDORADO IS APPROXIMATELY 130 FT IN WIDTH AND WOULD ONLY REQUIRE PROPERTY IT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE FOR PROPERTIES TO PROVIDE A 20 FT STREET BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT AWAY. WITH THE DEPTH OF THE EXISTING LOT AND REQUIREMENT OF SITE FEATURES THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED FOR REDEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS FIRE LANES AND PARKING. THE APPLICANT IS UNABLE TO MEET THE 30 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIREMENT ALONG EL DORADO PARKWAY FRONTAGE. ADDITIONALLY SIMILAR LANDSCAPE BUFFERS OF 20 WITH IS SEEN ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT IS NOT IS NOT REQUESTING A REDUCTION ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF

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SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, WHICH WOULD REMAIN AT 30 FT. WITH WHICH WOULD COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT FOR THE STREET BUFFER. IT ESTABLISHED OPINION THAT THEY PROPOSED DESIGN EXCEPTION WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS AND WILL SUPPORT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DESIGNERS EXCEPTION AND I STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, ARI QUESTIONS. EVERYONE. THANK YOU. IS THERE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? HI I'M WARREN HAUSER. AND I'M WITH CENTCOM ROYALTY.

OUR ENGINEER WAS GOING TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE HAD A TRAVEL GLITCH AND WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT AND SO YOU GOT ME SO I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASK OF ME AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. ONE THING THAT DOESN'T SHOW IS THAT THIS IS ALMOST IN THE SHAPE OF OKLAHOMA. THERE'S A PAIN HANDLE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT OF PEI WEI. AND WE OWN ALL OF THAT FRONTAGE IN FRONT OF THEIRS, SO THEY DON'T REALLY OWN ANY FRONTAGE ON EL DORADO PARKWAY. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT SITE TO DEVELOP. WE BOUGHT THIS FROM TEXT DOT YEARS AGO WHEN THEY RECONFIGURE THE INTERCHANGE. AND IT FALLS WAY OFF ON THE ON BOTH SIDES TOWARDS THE CORNER. AND SO WE WORKED. WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS SITE PLAN BACK IN MAY OF THIS YEAR. WE BOUGHT IT FIVE YEARS AGO AND THEN WE'RE UNDER A LEASE WITH A GAS STATION, AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE SITE WORK FOR THEM. AND SO THEY DROPPED THE DEAL ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PLAN SINCE THEN. AND IT IS NOT PANERA. I WANTED TO KNOW WE DON'T KNOW HOW PANERA GOT ONTO THE THING. BUT THERE WE DON'T HAVE PANERA. UM SO ANYWAY, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO A MIXED USE RETAIL. WITH RETAIL AND RESTAURANT HERE, SO JUST WANTED TO SEE P ANY QUESTIONS? IS THE DRIVE THRU GOING TO PERSIST, AS NOTED HERE, THIS PLAN WILL WILL PERSIST AND YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE ON THE NAME. WE JUST DON'T HAVE PANERA UNDER A LEASE OR ANYTHING, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO CONFUSE ANYBODY AND SAY THAT WE'RE DOING PANERA BECAUSE WE'RE NOT RIGHT NOW. SO WHEN YOU SAY WHO THE TENANTS ARE WE'RE TALKING TO SEVERAL TENANTS. WE KIND OF WANTED TO SEE IF THIS I MEAN, THIS IS ONLY A 60 FT. DEEP BUILDING. AND SO IT'S VERY IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'RE GOING TO THROW THE PLANS AWAY AND NOT DO IT. I GUESS I DON'T KNOW. WE REALLY WANT TO DEVELOP THIS THING. WE OWN THE CREDIT CROSSING NEXT DOOR FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS AS WELL SO THAT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF A YEAR AGO. BUT WE DO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET PANERA. BUT WE KIND OF WANT TO SEE IF THIS PLAN WORKS. AND IF IT DOES, THEN WE'LL TALK TO THEM AND ANYBODY ELSE AND YOU KNOW, COME BACK FOR WE HAD TO COME BACK FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU KNOW, INTERIOR PLANS ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE CITY SO AND ALSO WANT TO NOTE THE VERY CORNER IS A VERY WIDE EASEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY UTILITIES THAT IN ORDER TO GET THE SITE LEVEL WE HAVE TO DIG DOWN SO DEEP AND SO WITHOUT HAVING TO BUILD MAJOR RETAINING WALLS AND DO A LOT OF OTHER ENGINEERING STUFF. THIS IS THIS IS WHY WE HAVE A VERY WIDE BUFFER IN THE FRONT ON THE CORNER. QUESTION DOES THIS PARKING LOT CONNECT TO THE ADJACENT PARKING LOT? OR DOES IT JUST END AFTER THOSE SPOTS THAT WILL CONNECT INTO THE CRAIG CROSSING SHOPPING CENTER BY 18 T . AND PANERA ON THIS SOUTH END IT WILL NOT CONNECT INTO PAY WAY. I WAS AT THIS INTERSECTION THIS MORNING AND THERE WAS A TON OF BACKUP RIGHT WHERE THAT ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE. AND SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THIS. IS TRYING TO SIGNATURE THIS PARKING LOT AND EXIT THIS PARKING LOT THAT IN THE MORNING AS INCREDIBLY BUSY ON THE ELDORADO, RIGHT, END RIGHT OUT, SO THERE'S NO LEFT TURN. YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT TURN UM AND THIS IS THE ONLY THAT WAS THE OTHER THING. THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE COULD PUT THAT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE OTHER END ENTRANCE AND HAS TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE OFF THE HIGHWAY. AND WE WORKED ON THAT ABOUT A YEAR AGO, SO WE CAN WORK ON THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS TRYING TO GET THESE PLANS WITH WITH STAFF WHO HAS BEEN VERY GREAT TO WORK WITH, BY THE WAY. SO THIS IS COMING INTO THE EXISTING RIGHT. IT WILL LOOK JUST LIKE THE REST OF CRAIG CROSSING. SAME KIND OF BRICK, SAME COLORATIONS AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT WILL. IT WILL HAVE IT. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TURN IN OFF OF ELDORADO AND THEN COME THROUGH THE SOUTH ENTRANCE THERE AND THAT LINES UP WITH ALL THE PARKING AND CORRECT CROSSING AS WELL. SO IT'S THE DRIVE. ALL RIGHT NOW CORRECT CROSSING JUST KIND OF DEAD ENDS INTO THAT SITE AND IN CURVES TO THE LEFT, BUT IT WILL CONTINUE ON STRAIGHT IN THROUGH HERE. AND CIRCULATE BACK TO THE CORRECT AND WE HAVE ACROSS ACCESS CROSSED WITH AGREEMENT WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER. HOW MUCH TRAFFIC DO YOU ANTICIPATE? UTILIZING THIS? DRIVE THROUGH THE AREA NOW. UM I DON'T KNOW THE TRAFFIC. THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE CITY. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS EXACTLY. I'M SORRY.

DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION SO THAT PARKING LOT ITSELF IS ALREADY VERY CONGESTED AND TIGHT PARKING LOT. TRYING TO MANEUVER AROUND CROSSING PARKING LOT IS OVER. PARKED BY A LOT. WE OWNED IT IT IT IS OVER PART EVEN THOUGH IT'S CROWDED, ESPECIALLY AT CERTAIN TIMES, LIKE MAYBE BY THE CLUB FOR FITNESS DURING THE MORNING DURING TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW? AND THE OTHER RESTAURANTS

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AND STUFF, BUT, UM AS A WHOLE THAT SHOPPING CENTER AS WELL OVER PARKED, BUT WE'RE NOT USING ANY OF THEIR PARKING TO COUNT TOWARDS OUR PARKING AIR PARKING COUNTS BASED ON THE CURRENT CODE THAT THE STAFF HAS BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE ENGINEER ON. OTHER QUESTIONS ANYONE? THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. YOU'RE GREAT BACKUP. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON HIM.

IF YOU'RE COMING IN AND WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS PROPOSED DESIGN EXCEPTION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. MAKE A MOTION CLOSED PUBLIC AREAS MOTION BY MR LEBEAU TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND TIME, MISTER WATLEY. ANY OPPOSITION TO CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING ANYONE PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT MOTION CARRIES PROBABLY HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED.

QUESTIONS OR OR, UM, COMMENT ANYONE? MOTIONS I JUST WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH DEIDRE. IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE AND YOU KNOW THE ACCESS OF ELDORADO. IF YOU GO BACK OUT THAT WAY, YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO GO BACK AROUND THE CORNER AND GET ON 75. YOU CAN'T CROSS OVER TO ANYTHING. BUT THEY DO HAVE CROSS ACCESS COMING ACROSS TO THE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT PROPERTY, GOING DOWN TO THE WEST AND TO THE LIGHT. ALRIGHT ANYONE ELSE? I THINK IT'S A TOUGH QUARTER. I LIKE THIS PROJECT I SUPPORTED. OTHERS. IT IS A TOUGH CORNER, AND IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY PUT TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS. WHEN YOU GET TEXT ON INVOLVED, AND YOU HAVE ENTRANCES AND EXITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. UH AND SITE PLANS SUCH AS THIS. THE I AGREE WITH WITH THE SIDE IN THE APPLICANTS REQUEST A QUICK CLARIFICATION. WE'RE JUST APPROVING A VARIANCE BASED ON LANDSCAPE BUFFERS. IS THAT CORRECT? WE CALL IT A DESIGN EXCEPTION, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF DEVIATING FROM OUR NORMAL STANDARD, WHICH IS BECAUSE IT'S A FRONTAGE CONSIDERED A CORNER LOT. IT HAS TO MEET THEM, UH, MAXIMUM MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR SETBACK, WHICH, IN THIS CASE, IT HAS TO MIMIC WHAT'S REQUIRED ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY ONTO ELDORADO, AND THAT'S WHERE THE REQUEST COMES IN FOR THEM TO REQUEST THAT 10 FT TO REDUCTION TECHNICALLY MEETS THE NEED ON ELDORADO OF 75 DIDN'T EXIST IF IT WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE, IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE, MAYBE THE LOT OVER IT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY? YES, THANK YOU. YES. MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED THIS ITEM. EMOTIONAL MR HEGSTROM TROOP TO APPROVE THE ITEMS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 2ND 2ND 1. MR. TAYLOR, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? AT LEAST CASTRO VOTE. THAT MOTION CARRIES BY VOTERS SEVEN IN FAVOR OF ZERO AGAINST THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.

HAS BEEN APPROVED. OKAY NEXT ITEM TONIGHT IS 23-0. 054 Z FOUR PUBLIC HEARING. TO REZONE THE

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “PD” - Planned Development District to “PD” - Planned Development District, Generally to Modify the Development Standards and to Allow for Multi-Family Residential Uses, Located on the Southwest Corner of McKinney Ranch Parkway and Collin McKinney Parkway]