Dec 07, 2023 Historic Preservation Advisory Board

[CALL TO ORDER]

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BOARD MEETING OF DECEMBER, THE 7TH 2023 BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU C C SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAD BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL . IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING, WHICH IS OUT THERE. AND WHICH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE SPEAKERS, CARD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE.

THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE ALL TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF BEGINNING WELL, MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE WILL MOVE TO THE INFORMATIONAL SHARING ITEM NUMBER 23-096 UPDATE REGARDING MUNICIPAL PROJECTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE PAULA HERE TONIGHT, WE HAVE WE'RE GONNA TABLE THAT.

SO DO I NEED TO GET A MOTION TO TABLE THAT ARE DO. WE NEED TO DO THAT, SINCE IT'S JUST INFORMATION SHARING EMOTIONS NECESSARY, OKAY. GOOD DEAL, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER

[Update on the Historic Resources Survey (Historic McKinney Survey ’23)]

BY MID DECEMBER. AND THEN WHAT YOU'LL SEE. NEXT ACTUALLY IS THE PRELIMINARY REPORT AND DRAFT REPORT, WHICH WILL COME PROBABLY EARLY JANUARY. OUR WEBSITE. WE'RE STILL UPDATING THAT. SO THIS IS IT'S BEEN UPDATED SINCE THIS WAS PUT IN THE PRESENTATION . BUT IF YOU DO GO TO OUR WEBSITE, YOU WILL SEE PERIODIC UPDATES RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE AN EARLY DECEMBER 1. THEY'RE JUST KIND OF RECAPS. WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE FINISHING UP THE SURVEY. YOU CAN STILL SUBMIT INFORMATION THROUGH THAT QUESTIONNAIRE. IF YOU DO HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SUBMIT UM AND THEN IF YOU GET THE LAST SLIDE. AND THEN I'VE ALREADY WENT OVER THAT. SO IF YOU KEEP GOING AND THAT IS THE QR CODE IN CASE ANYONE NEEDS. A QUICK WAY TO GET TO THE WEBSITE. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. HI. THANK YOU. CASSIE. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FOR CASSIE OR OKAY? OKAY WE ARE GONNA WE ARE SINCE THERE IS NO ONE HERE. WE ARE GOING TO SAY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANY AGENDA, ADAM, SO WE'RE GONNA

[CONSENT ITEMS]

WHERE IS IT? I SAID DO WE JUST WANT TO VOTE BY HAND OR DO WE WANT TO DO IT? IS IT SHOWING UP

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THAT'S WHY MY CURRENT ITEM IS THE UPDATE OKAY? I NEED TO CLICK IT. TONIGHT. I THINK, UM.

REQUEST TO SPEAK LIKE MY ONLY CHOICES. HAVE YOU MOVED OVER TO THE NEXT ITEM. JUST POPPED UP.

OH YEAH, THAT'S ROLLING OUT, AND THAT'S RIGHT. THERE IS NOW YOURS IS UP. DIDN'T IS YOURS UP MR PENCE? YES SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK MOTION. WELL, NO, I'M ON THE RIGHT NOW. OKAY VOTED TO APPROVE THE UPDATE ON THE STORY RESOURCES SURVEY. OKAY? YOU COULD GO. AH, GREAT. THAT'S EXCELLENT. HAVING A TEENAGE KIDS WE CAN GET IN HERE. YEAH WE'RE WE'RE VOTING ON ITEM SURVEY DASH 0965, AND THAT'S UP NOW. ALWAYS A SHAKY THING. SO WE. HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT SCREEN POPPED UP AUTOMATICALLY POPPED UP. THE PREVIOUS ONE. ERICA CAME BY YESTERDAY. YEAH SHE SAID SHE GETS A GOOD DUDE PRIVATE TOUR. IT'S YOUR REFRESHED DOWN THERE. VERY GLAD WE DON'T HAVE HONORABLE PEOPLE. SURE SURVEY WOULD JUST BE EATING MY GOLDFISH TOUCH UPSIDE PEOPLE RUSH. WELL UH HUH, GENIUS, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO. SEE LOOK AT THAT. WHAT? IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE WE JUST GOT IT OUTSIDE. THE YOUNGER MEMBERS HERE WAS ABLE TO GET THEIR MINUTES. STILL WHERE I AM NOW IS STILL. TOUCH OUT, THEN REFRESH AND REFRESHMENTS CIRCLE IN THE LOWER. YEAH. OKAY SO DID YOU.

DID YOU PUNCH IT IN? REFRESH RIGHT HERE. TERRIBLE. IPADS YOU STILL DON'T HAVE IT YET. DID YOU HAVE TO SAY JOIN? THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD BE OIL. MOTION. READ THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW SOME SPEAKERS, SPEAKERS. I DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH IT. AND IT BREAKS. IT SHOULD WORK. ARE YOU? ARE YOU OKAY? THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. HMM OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT? YES, YES, YES, I'M GOING, OKAY? OKAY, SHOULD WORK. FROM THERE YET. SORRY. HERE WE GO. WOW FIXED IT RIGHT NOW. I'M VOTING. JOIN WHEN SHOULD I HAVE DONE THAT? WHEN WE STARTED THE MEETING. UM OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK. YES. AND WE SHOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO THERE. YEAH. YOUR TEAM. NAME WAS UP AT THE BOTTOM OF IT, SO I DIDN'T TRAINING SESSION. YES GOOD EVERYTHING, AND THEN I THINK ONCE YOU'VE HIT NOW FROM HERE, IT'S GOING TO SIT ON THAT SCREEN UNTIL WENDY RECORDS THE VOTE. OKAY CORRECT. AND SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK RECORD VOTE TO REFRESH AGAIN FOR THE NEXT WE'VE GOT OUR VOTE OF SEVEN IT, SO LET'S SEE HOW THE NEXT ONE GOES BECAUSE FOLLOW THAT SAME PROCESS. OKAY WE'RE GONNA SO THAT PAST AND WE'RE GONNA VOTE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE

[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by Lea Michaels for Approval of a Rehabilitation Level Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption for the Property Located at 707 W Hunt Street.]

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD EVENING, SO I'M BRINGING FORWARD THIS REHABILITATION LEVEL AND IZ REQUESTS FOR 707 WEST HUNT STREET. THE HOMEOWNER COULD NOT BE PRESENT TONIGHT, BUT SHE WAS VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HER ITEM HEARD. I GOT IT TO WORK, WENDY. THANK YOU. SO THIS CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE WAS BUILT, CIRCA 1915. IT WAS RATED AS A HIGHLIGHTED AS A HIGH PRIORITY HOME. AND THE CRITERIA FOR THE REHABILITATION INCENTIVE REQUIRES THAT THE STRUCTURE BE AT LEAST 40 YEARS OLD, WHICH IS ONE IS AND THEN THAT THE OWNER RECEIVES A LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY VERIFYING THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS QUALIFY FOR REHABILITATION INCENTIVE. HER LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY WAS ISSUED ON OCTOBER 27TH OF LAST YEAR. AND WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF COMPLETION FROM HER. ON OCTOBER 25TH OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN JUST TO POINT OUT ON THESE PHOTOS. WE'VE GOT A HISTORIC PHOTO ON THE TOP FROM 1985. AND THEN A PHOTO FROM 2015 . THOSE ARE BOTH ON THE RIGHT AND THEN ON THE LEFT. THIS IS JUST A PHOTO BEFORE THE WORK STARTED JUST TO SHOW THE PARTS THAT NEED TO PAINT AS WELL AS REPAIR. THE OTHER REQUIREMENT FOR REHABILITATION INCENTIVE IS A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $10,000 IN VERIFIED ELIGIBLE BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. THE STAFF REPORT ON THE APPLICATION HAVE THE DETAILED INVOICES. WHICH DO YOU TOTAL OVER? 10,000, WHICH INCLUDED THE SIGHTING REPAIR. AS NEEDED ALL OVER THE HOME. ANY REPLACEMENT WAS WITH LIKE MATERIALS AND PAINT. WHICH ENDED UP BEING 9550. AND THEN INSULATING WATER LINES AND REPLACED TWO EXTERIOR HOSE BIBS, WHICH WAS 1400. HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNER AND FOUND THAT IT MEETS ALL THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM FOR THE REHABILITATION FOR THE REHABILITATION LEVEL INCENTIVE.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. NANCY. EVERYONE REMEMBER THE. LEVEL TWO VERSUS LEVEL ONE. WAIT AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS TO LOOK THAT UP EACH TIME TO REMIND ME BUT Y'ALL REMEMBER EVERYBODY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT REMINDED, OKAY. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LEVELS IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING LEVEL TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEVEL TWO AND THREE? REHABILITATION IS LEVEL TWO THAT REQUIRES $10,000 WORTH OF WORK, WHEREAS LEVEL THREE, WHICH IS THE PRESERVATION LEVEL REQUIRES 5000. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE HISTORIC MARKER.

YES, LEVEL ONE IS THE HISTORIC MARKER, SO YOU KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT PROCESS. AND ON LEVEL ONE YOU CAN. ONLY A RESIDENTS CAN ONLY APPLY FOR THAT ONE TIME. IS THAT CORRECT? YES YOU CAN GET THAT EXEMPTION ONCE. UM AND AFTER THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO APPLY FOR A LEVEL TWO OR THREE. OKAY AND CAN YOU GET THE LEVEL TO MULTIPLE LEVEL THREE MULTIPLE TIMES. YOU CAN, UH, THE OTHER TWO INCENTIVES, REHABILITATION AND PRESERVATION LEVEL YOU CAN APPLY FOR IN PERPETUITY. NOT CONCURRENTLY. NO THEY WON'T BE CONCURRENT IF YOU APPLIED FOR A LEVEL THREE.

DURING THE TIME THAT YOU'RE LEVEL TWO WAS GOING THAT WOULD JUST REESE STARTED THEN AT A LEVEL THREE. BYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. CATHY. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL SEE A AND SO WE DON'T THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. SO WE WILL NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION. AND IF NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THEN DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.

TO PROVE REMEMBER MCWILLIAMS TO HAVE A SECOND. SECOND SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER PENCE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN. WENDY SHOULD UNLOCK THE VOTING NOW. THEY CAN'T CHOOSE THEIR GREAT OUT. WELL, YOU WERE SO NOW. NOW IT SAYS I'VE DONE IT WAS NOT GREAT OUT, WITHDRAW THE MOTION. OKAY, SO. WE HAD MCWILLIAMS MAKE THE MOTION. CAN YOU DO THE MOTION IN THE SECOND

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[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by Rebecca Graham for Approval of a Historic Marker Level Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption for the Property Located at 616 W Virginia Street]

AND THEN THE OTHER REQUIREMENT, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER IS THAT THERE IS A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $10,000 IN BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS AND FOR THE HISTORIC MARKER LEVEL.

ANOTHER DIFFERENCE IN THE PROGRAM IS THAT THAT JUST HAS TO BE DEMONSTRATED WITHIN THE LAST AT LEAST THE LAST PREVIOUS THREE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE INCENTIVE REQUEST. SO WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS THE APPLICANT HAS DONE INSULATION WORK, WHICH WAS ABOUT 7500. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A MAJOR AGE BACK WORK, WHICH WAS $17,698. AND WE HAVE REVIEWED THE REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNER REBECCA GRAHAM AND FOUND THAT IT MEETS ALL THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. FOR THE HISTORIC MARKER INCENTIVE. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CASTLE HISTORY ON THIS ONE. SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT, UM YOU HAD MADE A MARKER IN OCTOBER AND FOR THE HISTORIC MARKER WAS WHEN WE WENT OVER MOST OF THE HISTORY OF IT. 1875 WAS WHEN IT WAS BUILT. IT DOESN'T HAVE MANY ALTERATIONS PAST THAT. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. LOOK IT UP AGAIN TO SEE MORE. THE DETAILED LIKE CONSTRUCTION HISTORY, THOUGH.

SO, KATHY, THIS THIS WAS THIS IS OKAY. YEAH THIS IS TUCKEY. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT THE STRUCTURE , BUT THE HISTORY WAS PROVIDED WHEN THEY MADE THE APPLICATION FOR THE MARKER IN THE OCTOBER MEETING. THAT'S CORRECT. YES SO, UM, A LOT OF TIMES. WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IN THE PAST IS THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING FORWARD WITH THE MARKER AT THE SAME TIME AS THE H N I. C UM, BUT THE PROGRAM DOES ALLOW FOR YOU TO GET THE MARKER. WHENEVER YOU SO CHOOSE AND THEN GET THE H N I C LIGHTER. SO THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE IT HAS A LOT LESS HISTORY THAN MOST OTHER MARKER ONES, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HEARING THE MARKER DIRECTLY BEFORE THE H AND C AND THIS COMMENT, UH, HAVING WORKED ON RESTORATION EARLIER PERIOD OF TIME. AN INTERESTING FACTOR. WHEN MIGHT ENJOY HEARING WOULD BE THAT WHEN WORKING ON THE INTERIOR? ALL LOOSE UP. BASEBOARD THAT WAS LOOSE. BEHIND IT. I FOUND THAT GOLD STICKPIN GOES AND A COUPLING FOR A CUFF. AND ON IT WAS TH FOR TUCK HILL.

AND ON THE. AND POLISH SIDE SMOOTH ON THE NOT SMOOTH SIDE. IT SHOWED IT WAS AN 18. 75 GOLD PIECE AT $25 GOLD PIECE BLOCK OPEC OF GOLD ABOUT THAT SIZE. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING. AH DID YOU KEEP IT SO FOOTNOTE? THANK YOU, JAMES. OKAY ALRIGHT. WELL, THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. SO UM ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR YOU'LL HAVE EMOTION. PROVE IT WILL MAKE MONEY. THAT ONE. SEE IF IT CAN. OKAY BOARD MEMBERS MADE THE

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[Discuss the architectural stylistic influences in McKinney’s Historically Significant Area]

AND THERE YOU GO GASSY. KEEPING YOU BUSY TONIGHT, APPARENTLY THIS THING. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE TRAINING SERIES TOPIC. THREE WILLING TO GO OVER ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND INFLUENCES IN MCKINNEY. WE WERE HOPING TO DO THIS JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO SEE THE SURVEY DRAFT THAT WAY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PRIMER BEFORE YOU SEE THE SURVEY RESULTS. SO WE'LL GO OVER BRIEFLY THE MAJOR BUILDING PERIODS AND THEN THIS POWER POINT CAN ESSENTIALLY BE USED AS A REFERENCE. SO WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SURVEY LATER, KEEP THIS IN MIND. GO BACK TO IT. AH TONIGHT WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL KIND OF TOUCH MORE ON THE MORE PROMINENT ONES, BUT IT DOES KIND OF LIST EVERYTHING THAT'S FOUND IN MCKINNEY. SO THE MAJOR BUILDING PERIODS MCKINNEY'S GROWTH KIND OF HAPPENED IN FIVE SEPARATE STAGES. YOU'VE GOT THE TOWN SETTLEMENT IN THE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT TO ABOUT 1870. THEN YOU'VE GOT THE COTTON BOOM. THROUGH THE 19 FORTIES. AFTER THAT, YOU'VE GOT SUBURBAN IZING AND THE ECONOMIC CHANGES FROM FIFTIES TO NINETIES. SO ALL OF THE THINGS ON THE SURVEY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HER FROM THOSE THREE PERIODS. SO THEN ARCHITECTURAL STYLES IN THE STYLISTIC INFLUENCES. UM SOMETHING TO GO OVER. JUST KIND OF BRIEFLY IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIGH STYLE AND VERNACULAR VERNACULAR IS KIND OF WHAT YOU SEE EVERYWHERE. VERNACULAR IS. KNOWN AS LIKE THE COMMON VERSION OF A HIGH STYLE HIGH STYLES ARE STUFF THAT YOU WOULD SEE MAYBE ON LIKE VIRGINIA STREET. WHEREAS ALL THE OTHER STREETS YOU SEE VERNACULAR THAT'S KIND OF A EASY WAY TO TELL THEM APART. A LOT OF HIGH STYLE OR DONE BY RENOWNED ARCHITECTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHEREAS VERNACULAR MAY PICK AND CHOOSE FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT STYLES. BUT YOU CAN STILL KIND OF SEE. OH, THAT'S A CRAFTSMAN HOUSE, JUST MAYBE NOT AS PURE AS A HIGH STYLE. AND THEN CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES . SO WE LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT MARKERS WHEN YOU'RE EVALUATING A HOME FOR PRIORITY.

BASICALLY EVERYTHING CAN BE A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE LIST AND THIS IS A LOT OF THINGS YOU'LL FIND ON A HOUSE OR A BUILDING. UM WHEN YOU'RE OUT IN THE FIELD LOOKING AT PROPERTIES SO BETTY WOULD SEE THIS ON THE FORM THAT WE DID FOR THE SURVEY. YOU'RE KIND OF JUST NOTING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES A PROPERTY UNIQUE. AND THEN ALL OF THESE STYLES ARE REPRESENTED IN MCKINNEY HIM. LIKE I SAID, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SLIDE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE. UM I'M JUST GONNA STOP AND TALK ABOUT THE MOST PREVALENT ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN MCKINNEY SO FAR. BUT AGAIN DEFINITELY COME BACK TO THIS AND USE IT AS A REFERENCE. SO THE FIRST ONE BE GREEK REVIVAL. GREEK REVIVAL IS NOT SEEN AS OFTEN. UM BUT THIS IS AN ALL OF THESE PHOTOS ARE ACTUALLY EXAMPLES FROM MCKINNEY, WHICH IS PRETTY NICE. DON'T ASK ME FOR ALL THE ADDRESSES. THAT IS A QUESTION THAT HOUSE IS 100% OF POLICY QUESTION. UM AND I'M SURE SHE'LL BE HAPPY TO TELL YOU BUT A GREEK REVIVAL ESSENTIALLY HAS THAT PROMINENT FRONT DOOR THE SIDELIGHTS AND TRANSOMS. SO THAT'S EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE FRONT DOOR AND THE TWO WINDOWS BESIDE OF IT AND ABOVE IT. THE SYMMETRY IS NOT ESTABLISHED YET BECAUSE IT'S CHIMNEY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HASN'T BEEN RECONSTRUCTED, WHICH IS UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. SO YOU KNOW WHERE THE HOUSES LEFT HAND SIDE. THANKS TO HELP FROM THE CITY AND OTHERS. WELL, THANK YOU. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THIS HOUSE IS? YES IT'S NOT SQUARE. OKAY OKAY. WE HAVE FUNDING RIGHT NOW TO BUILD A CHIMNEY BACK ON THE RIGHT. GABLE OKAY, THAT'S KIND OF A GIVEAWAY. TAKEN OUT. YEAH YEAH, THAT WAS THAT WAS THE BACK. JIMMY THE

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THERE WAS THERE FROM THE REMODELING IN 1920 WHEN THEY ADDED THE SECOND FLOOR. BUT IT'S INTERESTING. HOW MANY ARTIFACTS YOU FIND WHEN YOU'RE DOING RESTORATION WORK. OKAY IF YOU'RE CAREFUL, AND YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU'LL FIND A LOT TARANTULAS. OH YEAH, A LOT OF BUGS. BE SURPRISING HOW CLEAN IT WAS. AND THEN THIS IS A EXAMPLE OF VICTORIAN ITALIANATE. UM CHESTNUT SQUARE WAS GOING TO SAY THIS ONE. I ALSO KNOW IS CHESTNUT SQUARE. THIS IS THE HOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL. HE DEVELOPED A TEXAS HOMESTEAD LAW. WHICH WE ALL BENEFIT FROM TODAY.

THERE YOU GO, MR JOHNSON. UM AND ITALIANATE IS ALSO KNOWN FOR THIS THE DEEP OVERHANGING EAVES.

AND THEN THE REALLY TALL, SKINNY, NARROW WINDOWS. NATIONAL FOLK. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE SEE A LOT OF IN MCKINNEY, ESPECIALLY IN THE RESIDENTIAL. UM IN THE H OVERLAY. NATIONAL FOLK WAS KIND OF COMMON FROM 1850 ALL THE WAY TO THE 1930. AH IT CAN HAVE THE DIFFERENT STYLE ROOF SHAPES OF GABLES HIPPED. IT CAN HAVE SMALL TO NO EAVES. UM AND AS IT INCLUDED ON THE SLIDE, IT HAS A MINI MINI MINI DIFFERENT TYPES OF UM, FORMS BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR NATIONAL FOLK. ARE THESE KIND OF SMALLER HOUSES. THAT HAVE THESE LITTLE DETAILS THAT YOU SEE THAT LOOK MORE VICTORIAN SO TRUE. THIS I'M TALKING TOO MUCH, BUT THIS WAS A THIS IS A HOME OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS A FAMOUS COBBLER. BUT WE HAVE A MIX OF ALL THESE SPLENDID LARGE HOUSES AND THE SPLENDID LITTLE HOUSES AND I THINK IT'S SUCH A COMMENTARY ON MCKINNEY THAT YOU HAVE SUCH A VARIETY OF BEAUTIFUL OLD HOUSES. WONDERFUL PEOPLE. I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT. THE OPERA HOUSE. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE THAT'S INCLUDED IS SURVEY FORMS THEY USUALLY KIND OF PUT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL STYLES TOGETHER, SO IT BECOMES 19TH AND 20TH CENTURY COMMERCIAL VERNACULAR. ESSENTIALLY THAT'S A CATCH ALL BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW ALL THOSE ARE OLDER BUILDINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT ASSOCIATION NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE. IT'S A VARIETY OF STYLES THAT MAY BE EXPRESSED INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A GROUP. AND IT'S USUALLY BRICK. UM AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO THE STOREFRONTS. AND THE PUNCHED WINDOWS ON TOP, AND THAT'S PRETTY ICONIC. UM IT WAS ICONIC IN FORT COLLINS, WHERE I WORKED PREVIOUSLY. AND YOU JUST YOU KNOW THE STYLE WHEN YOU SEE IT. INDUSTRIAL IT'S A FORM AND A TYPE RATHER THAN REALLY LIKE A STYLE. UM THIS IS VERY MUCH A FUNCTION OVER EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY CAN BE WORDS STEEL MASONRY COMBINATION CORRUGATED METAL, UM ANYTHING COTTON MILL. THAT SORT OF THING WOULD GO IN THIS CATEGORY. BACK UP MY KILLER. AND THEN QUEEN ANNE VICTORIAN IS ONE THAT WE DO SEE. QUITE OFTEN, MCKINNEY AS WELL. THEY WERE POPULAR FROM 1880 UNTIL ABOUT 1910. QUINONES ARE KNOWN FOR BEING IRREGULAR HOUSE PLANS. SO WHERE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GREEK REVIVAL, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT SYMMETRY QUINONES OR THE EXACT OPPOSITE. UM THE MORE COOKIE THE MORE WEIRD LITTLE SPLITS YOU HAVE IN IT, THE BETTER. THAT'S MAKES IT QUEEN ANNE. UM QUEEN ANNE'S ARE ALSO KNOWN FOR BEING VERY COLORFUL. UH, THE ONES IN MCKINNEY I'VE SEEN PINK ONES YELLOW. THEY'RE VERY BEAUTIFUL, AND THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THESE FUNNY COLORS. THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE HIGH PITCHED ROOFS. AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE THAT ELABORATE DETAILING. I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN LOOK AT EITHER ONE OF THESE PICTURES AND EVERYONE IS GOING

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WE DO SEE QUITE A FEW OF THEM. MCKINNEY. THOSE WERE BUILT BETWEEN 1880 1960. AND THEY'RE USUALLY THE TWO STORY WITH A SIDE GABLE. THEY'RE ALWAYS HAVING THAT CENTRALLY LOCATED FRONT DOOR. SO SYMMETRY IS PRETTY IMPORTANT COLONIAL REVIVAL AS WELL. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I ALWAYS NOTICED ABOUT COLONIAL REVIVAL. THERE'S ALWAYS A PEDIMENT OR SOMETHING ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR. THE ENTRANCE ALWAYS NEEDS TO LOOK GRAND. AND THEN, AS PAULA HAD NOTED ON THIS GABLE DORMERS ARE COMMON ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM AND FOR ANYONE WHO IS UNSURE OF WHAT IT GABLE DORMER IS THOSE ARE THE WINDOWS AT THE VERY TOP THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE ROOF. AND THEN THERE'S CLASSICAL REVIVAL. ANOTHER SYMMETRICAL DESIGN, WHICH COMES FROM LIKE GREEK AND ROMAN TEMPLE TYPE. THERE ARE ALWAYS THESE COLUMN DETAILS ON IT. AND THESE WERE POPULAR FROM ABOUT 1882 1955. AND AGAIN. THESE DATES ARE KIND OF AH, ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT LOOSE. SO. WHAT'S THIS, I THINK IS THE ONLY BUILDING IN MCKINNEY THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, UM BUT WHAT I REALLY LOVE TO SEE ON THIS OR THE DETAILS IN THE TOP PORTION OF IT. AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMNS. THEY HAVE THESE OVER SCALED CLASSICAL DETAILS. UM. AND THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT AND I THINK 1915 THE STYLE ITSELF RANGED FROM 85 1885 ALL THE WAY TO 1930. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT SECOND RENAISSANCE REVIVAL AGAIN. THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE ONE OF A KIND STYLE. UM BUT IT WAS POPULAR FROM 1892 1935. IT'S KNOWN FOR THE STEEPLY PITCHED ROOF WITH THE CROSS GABLES. POINTED ARCH WINDOWS AND THE BUTTRESSED CORNERS. YEAH, LAST ONE. WHEN WE DID THE FIRST RESTORATION, THERE WAS A LIGHT BULB AT THE OLD DOCKING URBAN LOW. RIGHT AFTER HIS BUILT THIS BIG EDISON LIGHT BULB WAS PUT IN OVER THIS DOC BURNING 24 HOURS A DAY. SOMEONE TURNED IT OFF DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME HAD RUN CONTINUALLY SINCE IT WAS OPENED. OF COURSE, WHEN YOU TURN IT OFF IS GONNA BURN OUT. PROBABLY THAT'S WHAT HAPPEN. BUT SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT TO LAST. VERY MUCH SO. UM THIS IS A TUDOR REVIVAL HOME.

THESE ARE PRETTY COMMON, AND I THINK OVERLY TUDOR REVIVAL. WE'VE GOT THE DATA'S 1892 19 FORTIES, BUT IT WAS MOST POPULAR PROBABLY FROM 19 TWENTIES TO FORTIES. THEY ARE USUALLY BRICK.

SOME HAVE STONE ACCENTS. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOMETIMES HALF TIMBERING, WHICH IS LIKE A LITTLE WOOD PIECES, USUALLY IN THE GABLE ENDS. THESE ARE ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE THE TALL, MULTI PAIN NEAR WINDOWS. AND THEN A LOT OF THE CHIMNEYS HAVE VERY DECORATIVE PIECES ON THEM. TUDOR REVIVAL IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE TYPES OF ARCHITECTURE. THEY ALSO A LOT OF THE TIME HAVE CATS SLIDES. AT THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT SWOOPS OUT. THAT'S VERY ICONIC FOR A TUDOR REVIVAL. AND THEN ARTS AND CRAFTS. ARTS AND CRAFTS IS KIND OF A CATCH ALL TERM. UM. IT'S GOT CRAFTSMEN. IT'S GOT PRAIRIE. WHEN YOU THINK OF BUNGALOWS, ALL OF THAT FITS INTO ARTS AND CRAFTS. AH THIS IS CIRCA 1900 TO 1930. AND YOU WILL SEE THESE ALL OVER. AH THEY HAVE THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS. MODERATE ROOF PITCH. SOMETIMES THERE ARE COLUMNS WITH PEDESTALS. THEY CAN ALSO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED BATTERED PEERS. SO INSTEAD OF LIKE A COLUMN THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN IN ONE SIZE, IT GROWS LARGER AS IT GETS TOWARDS THE BOTTOM. UM THE PRAIRIE STYLE AS WELL AS A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF ARTS AND CRAFTS WHERE IT'S ALWAYS VERY LONG. IT ALWAYS LOOKS, UM IT LOOKS MORE SQUAT THAN THE

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ESSENTIALLY, THAT JUST MEANS THAT THE COLUMNS THAT ARE THE PORCH POSTS THAT ARE HOLDING UP THE PORCH. ARE MUCH MORE ORNATE THAN JUST SAY REGULAR. PORCH POST. NOW WE'RE GETTING TO THE MORE MODERN STYLES. THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL STYLE BUILDING. THAT WAS PRETTY COMMON FROM 1925 ALL THE WAY UP TO PRESENT. IT ALWAYS HAS THE FLAT ROOFS WITHOUT ALLEGE. IT'S SIMPLE ON ORDAINED, UM UNADORNED, SMART, SMOOTH. AND THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR HAS THAT WHITE STUCCO WHICH WILL SEE QUITE FREQUENTLY. I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW INTERNATIONAL STYLES WE HAVEN'T MET ANY BUT IT ISN'T REALLY COOL ONE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL, THOUGH THIS IS MY FAVORITE STYLE OF ALL OF THEM, UM, JUST NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT BECAUSE THESE ARE KNOWN AS KIND OF THE SMALL STARTER HOUSES FROM THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THEM. THIS IS ACTUALLY A CALENDAR HOME FROM LAST YEAR. I THINK UH, IT CAME RIGHT AFTER TUDOR REVIVAL. MOST OF THEM DO NOT HAVE EAVES. AND THEY'LL HAVE THIS PROMINENT GABLE. UM JUST LIKE INTRIGUE, USUALLY SOMETIMES THEY HAVE A SMALL PORCH, BUT MOST OF THE TIME, IT'S JUST WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER LIKE A STOOP, MINIMAL TRADITIONAL. AS THE NAME IMPLIES , WAS KNOWN FOR BEING SIMPLE COST EFFECTIVE, BUT STILL I THINK BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S SOMETHING RIGHT. AND THEN RANCH STYLE. YOU SEE FROM THE THIRTIES THROUGH SEVENTIES EIGHTIES AND PRESENT. RANCH STYLE IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GREW UP IN. I KNOW I DID. IT WAS A MOST OF THEM HAVE THAT LOW PITCHED HIPPED ROOF. AND USUALLY IT'S ONLY A SINGLE STORY. UM. UNLESS THEY'VE HAD MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. THEY ALSO ARE VERY LOW AND LONG. UM WHEN YOU THINK OF RANCHES YOU THINK OF RAMBLING JUST KIND OF ALWAYS. EXTENDS HORIZONTALLY. THERE IS A SMALL PORCH COVERED BY MAIN ROOF MOST OF THE TIME, JUST CALLED AN INSET PORCH. FOR MOST OF THESE HOUSES IF THEY HAVE A PORCH AND THIS, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THESE ON LIKE GRAVE STREET. THAT'S MY FAVORITE STREET TO LOOK AT RANCH HOUSES. MHM. AND THEN BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE. UM IS ONE OF THE LEAST APPRECIATED ARCHITECTURE STYLES, UM, STARTED IN THE FIFTIES GOES TO THE PRESENT. UM PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS VERY HARSH. AH! YOU COULD ACTUALLY CALL THE BUILDING. WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. BRUTALIST STYLE, BUT IT HAS A LITTLE BIT TOO MANY WINDOWS. BUT IT'S VERY MUCH KNOWN FOR BEING KIND OF THESE JUST GEOMETRIC SHAPES. SO A BIG SQUARE, A BIG RECTANGLE. WITH LITTLE TO NO PUNCHES IN THE BUILDING ITSELF. IT'S A GOOD FUN FACT THE BASIS OF THE WORD. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YEAH. I WILL NOT BE BUTCHERING THE FRENCH LANGUAGE TO SAY THAT, BUT YEAH. DRAMATIC COLOR PALETTES. THAT'S A NICE WAY TO PUT IT. IT ISN'T VERY NICE WAY TO PUT IT AND THEN MID CENTURY MODERN THAT'S WHEN YOU THINK OF RANCHES, BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE UPSCALE, A LITTLE MORE HIGH STYLE MID

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UNTIL TODAY. UM A LOT OF TIMES YOU SAY THESE IS LIKE CABINS OR MOUNTAIN HOMES. THEY'RE MUCH MORE POPULAR. OUT IN THE FOREST, THEN IN CITIES VIEW, EXACTLY USUALLY YOU HAVE THAT GLASS WITH THEIR VIEW IS OUT THOSE WINDOWS THAT IS PROBABLY INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S FRONT PORCH. THANK YOU.

CONCERN IS FOR YOU IN AS OPPOSED TO. YEAH RIGHT. IT'S MORE OF A INTERESTING FACT WAS WHEN THE WILSONS BUILT THIS MAKES THE RIGHT BACKDROP COLLEGE IN DRAMATIC PERFORMANCES ON THE BACK. DUDE IT WAS REALLY PART OF THAT ENVIRONMENT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD PERFORMANCES WAS BUILT. GREAT BACKDROP. YEAH, I LOVE THAT. THANK YOU. I DO. I USED TO UM, THE WILSONS WERE GOOD FRIENDS, AND WE JUST SPEND THE NIGHT WE LOVED SPENDING THE NIGHT IN THAT A FRAME. YEAH. IS IT ALL LIT UP AT NIGHT? YEAH IT WAS JUST COOL. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE HAD ONE LIKE IT AND, UM ANYWAY. OF MEMORIES. AND THE NEW TRADITIONALIST KIND OF JUST WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE 30.

WE HAVE CIRCUMSTANCES 35 TILL TODAY. THIS IS JUST AN ECLECTIC MIX. IT'S KIND OF A CATCH ALL AS WELL. IT'S A VARIETY OF STYLES. UM USUALLY THERE ARE MULTIPLE GABLES, THE ROOF LINES BECOME MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. AS WE GET FURTHER TO THE PRESENT, YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE, UM WHERE YOU LOOK AT IT. AND YOU'RE LIKE IS THAT A GABLE ROOF? IS IT A HIP ROOF? AND JUST HAS THAT COMBINATION OF THE EXTERNAL CLADDING MATERIALS AS WELL. SO YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT STONE A LITTLE BIT STUCK OUT A LITTLE BIT OF, SAY, HARDIE SIDING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THESE WON'T ACTUALLY BE IN THE SURVEY BECAUSE WE CUT OFF THE DATA AT 75 SO AND THEN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE EXACTLY THESE HOUSES ARE, THAT'S FOR PAULA. BUT IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, I CAN ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU. THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. IT WAS VERY, UM IT REMINDED ME OF A CLASS THAT I TOOK IN COLLEGE ABOUT LIKE, UM IT WAS. I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS TAKING THIS LIKE, UM ARCHITECTURE CLASS, BUT, UM. IT WAS GOOD INFORMATION, BUT THAT I LOVED THE MCKINNEY. SURE IS IN IT, TOO. I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY COOL TO LIKE MATCH UP.

THOSE HOUSES THAT WE SEE EVERY DAY DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, UM TO THIS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ARCHITECTURE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS AWESOME. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE WE VERY PURPOSEFULLY WENT OUT AND TRIED TO FIND MCKINNEY HOUSES. BECAUSE THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US SINCE WE'RE DOING THIS FOR THE SURVEY. PREP OF THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL SAW THESE STYLES IN MCKINNEY. GOOD JOB REMIND. AND I GUESS I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN THIS BUT ARCHITECTURAL DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE, I THINK I DON'T KNOW IS THAT UNIQUE TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS COMMON? BECAUSE SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE SUCH AN ECLECTIC AREA. YOU SEE IT MORE WITH PLACES THAT HAVE A STRONGER PRESERVATION SENSE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IF THERE'S A STRONGER PRESERVATION MOVEMENT, THEN YOU KEEP THESE STYLES FROM THE PAST. UM IN CITIES THAT I'VE BEEN IN THAT MAYBE DIDN'T HAVE SUCH A STRONG PRESENCE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. YOU MUST. YOU'RE JUST KIND OF LOSE ALL OF THE SMALLER, ESPECIALLY VERNACULAR HOMES A LOT. SO YOU DON'T SEE AS MUCH OF LIKE THE FOX STYLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THIS KIND OF UNIQUE FOR MCKINNEY REMEMBER WORKING ON GERMAN VILLAGE IN COMMERCE OHIO, AND IT WAS A GERMAN GHETTO. WHICH MEANS IT WAS ALL OVER GERMAN FOLKS LIVING THERE, AND IT'S BEAUTIFULLY DONE. IT'S ALL SIMPLE BRICK

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RESIDENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UNITED STATES. AND IT WAS SIGNIFICANT THAT SO MANY THINGS FOR THE SAME BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME ETHNIC BACKGROUND. I THINK. BUT HERE WE HAVE EVERYBODY KIND OF COMING FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE. THAT'S I THINK ONE REASON IT'S SO DIVERSE. WE HAVE A VERY GOOD MIXTURE OF STYLES. YES SCENE IN THE SHOW. THE PICTURE OF THE OLD OPERA HOUSE THERE. IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SQUARE.

THAT 19TH AND 20TH 20TH CENTURY COMMERCIAL, CHARACTERIZE IT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. A LOT OF THEM ARE, BUT THEN YOU SEE SOMETHING, PENNY, OBVIOUSLY NOT. I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU SEE SOMETHING LIKE THE COURTHOUSE AND THE COURTHOUSE IS DIFFERENT OR THE J. C. PENNEY IS DIFFERENT. UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART THE 19TH AND 20TH CENTURY VERNACULAR COMMERCIAL. SOME OF HOW THEY GOT MODERNIZED WOULD BE A SHAME BUILDING WHERE FAMILY HAS. VARIOUS BUSINESSES THERE, AND THEY HAVE THE OFFICER ON SECOND FLOOR. ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A NICE CORNERS, MUCH LIKE THE OPERA HOUSE, AND THAT HAVE SOME DAMAGE. IT WAS TAKEN OFF AND SIMPLIFIED. BUT IT'S VERY MUCH. DESCRIPTION. STYLES AROUND THE SQUARE. REPLACED BY OTHERS. SO NOW I'LL ASK YOU A LOT OF QUESTION. YOU WENT TO THE PRESENTATION OF THE R Q BY THEM. OR YOU'VE SEEN ALL THOSE PRESENTATIONS? YES, I'VE SEEN THEM, DID YOU SEE HIM LOOKING AT THE CONCEPTUAL AND I REALIZE THEIR CONCEPTUAL. WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THERE THAT YOU LIKED OR DIDN'T LIKE, OR MIGHT BE CONSIDERED CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WE HAVE NOW? JENNA FIRST QUESTION. I'M GOING TO LET JENNIFER ANSWER THIS. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

YOU'RE UP THERE, IN OTHER WORDS, WHETHER THERE ARE ANY ECLECTIC FREEDOM SHOWING IN THAT REGARD.

I THINK THAT'S UP TO EVERYONE ELSE'S PERSONAL INTERPRETATION. BEAUTIFUL CEASE, MAYBE STILL EXPECTANCY SOME SOME DEGREE OF VARIATION THAT YOU SEE IN WHAT YOU PRESENTED TO US REPRESENTED IN THE ARCHITECTURE OF RADIANT VILLAGE. YES. I WILL TAKE A POINT ON THAT ONE. AND I THINK I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT. AND I THINK, UM YEAH, YOU WOULD HOPE TO SEE THAT AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN DOWNTOWN THAT IT IS PULLING FROM THE HISTORY OF DOWNTOWN AND ITS ARCHITECTURE, WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD EVER BE 100% BUT A GOOD MIX THAT REPRESENTS WHAT MCKINNEY CAME FROM, I THINK IS WHAT WE WOULD HOPE TO SEE FROM A HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDPOINT. WELL, THAT WAS. A GOOD POLITICAL ANSWER. GOOD ANSWER, JUST GIVING, YOU KNOW, BUT I THAT IT GIVES ME A CERTAINLY SOME PERSPECTIVE. SO I WAS THERE AND I DID LOOK AT ALL THE GUIDES AND SOMETIMES I WAS PRETTY DISAPPOINTED WITH WHAT THEY SHOWED CONCEPTUALLY BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY WASN'T IT CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT BRUTALIST TO INTERNATIONAL. SO WHAT TOM IS SAYING FOR ALL OF US IS? WOULD CORBEAU SCHIER RECOGNIZE IT? OR WOULD WE EVENTUALLY BIG DIFFERENCE? AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I HOPE THAT, UM AS PART OF THAT PROCESS THAT YOU GUYS WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT INPUT ON ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS AND BE NICE IF HP BABY WERE TO AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING, OR SOME SOMEWHERE, MAYBE NOT AN AFTER THE FACT TYPE OF THING, OR AT LEAST AN EXPLANATION OF HOW THE PROCESS WILL WORK FOR APPROVING ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS. MAYBE NOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. MAYBE QUESTION FOR YOU, JENNIFER. SUBMIT A RESOLUTION IN YOUR OPINION. THAT WOULD BE GOOD, WOULDN'T IT? WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY ATTORNEYS THAT COULD WRITE THE OPINION. LAWYER RESPONSE WHAT WE WANT. THE APARTMENTS THAT WENT FOR THE LAST COURTHOUSE WAS. NOWHERE NEAR INDICATIVE WITH THE AREA OR ARE I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU CAN. COME TO THE CITY AS A HOMEOWNER.

THERE'S VERY LITTLE LEEWAY. I THINK ALL OF A SUDDEN OH, THAT AND I'M I'M NOT THIS POINT ABOUT THAT. BUT THEN WHEN THE CITY THERE WAS. HE'S PROPERTY TO SOMEONE THEY DON'T SEEM TO FIGHT SO VIGOROUSLY. THIS IS THE DIALOGUE WE'VE BEEN HAVING. BECAUSE IN A SENSE OUR WONDERFUL REPRESENTATIVES. IN THE CITY HAVE THE CATBIRD SEASON CALLING FOR WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE

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YEAH. IT LOOKS IMMACULATE ATTRACTION. INSTEAD OF BEING INTERN, OFFICE AND ATTRACTION.

THAT'S THE BIG DEAL. I THINK ONE OF MY BIGGEST TAKEAWAYS FROM THE R F Q MEETING. WAS THAT THE, UM.

DESIRE OF WHOEVER WE CHOOSE. TO SEEK COMMUNITY. UM, WOULD BE REALLY ALSO ALSO ECHOED. BUT HE SAID THE CITY HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT COMMUNITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. AND CERTAINLY EVEN TO CONTACT YOUR COUNCILOR AS WELL AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TO COMMENTS, SO THAT'S ALL VERY PLEASING, AND I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT. THINGS WILL GO REALLY WELL, BUT I JUST HOPE YOU AND PAUL IN SOME SAYING THINGS I'M SURE YOU WILL WANT. MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE AND ACTUALLY HONESTLY SPREAD SOME OF THE BLAME AROUND BECAUSE YOU KNOW FULL WELL, PEOPLE WILL NOT BE HAPPY. I'VE CERTAINLY SEEN IT ON COMMENTS AND SOME ON FACEBOOK AND STUFF. AND JUST LIKE HERE FAIRLY NEGATIVE, BUT I'M REASONABLY CERTAIN THEY WERE NOT ANY OF THE MEANS. WELL. IF I CAN PLAY DUMB ON THIS ONE. I. YOU LIKE THIS BOARD? DEVELOPMENT. PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I HAVE. HELLO? LEFT IT TO THEM, TOO. KEEP IT. I GREW UP WITH WHAT WE'RE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND IF THEY DON'T THEN BUY BEEF IS WITH THEM. NOT WITH THE GUY WHO SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THAT LOT. THERE. IF. A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TO PURCHASE. COMES WITH SPECIFIC. THINGS THEN YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT PRIOR TO I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY. PIECE OF PROPERTY. COME WITH THEIR PLANS AND SAY NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, UM I'VE BEEN THAT GUY. UM. AND THAT GUY HERE MAKIN, UM BUT EITHER. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, I CAN'T PUT IT ON THE BACK OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE NEVER COME TO A MEETING. THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN ON HERE. BUT TWO MONTHS AND ALREADY A FEW OF THEM FIGURED OUT WHERE TO COME TO COMPLAIN, RIGHT? THE MEETING. OBVIOUSLY RIGHT, AND SO TO THAT POINT, I THINK, RIGHT, LIKE THE CITY DEPARTMENTS AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND US AS BOARD MEMBERS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE VOTERS OF MCKINNEY. RIGHT SO WE'RE WE'RE HERE AS REPRESENTATIVES. UM AND SO LIKE WHAT TIM WAS SAYING. THERE IS A HOPE THAT WE DO GET TO HAVE A VOICE IN. YOU KNOW WHAT. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AND WE TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY, YOU KNOW TO, UM TO BE THE VOICE FOR OUR NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OR DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE TIME OR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DO TO HEAR THIS INFORMATION AND THEN, UM, SPEAK UP ABOUT IT. AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S NOT FAIR TO EXPECT.

YOU KNOW ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, TOO. YOU GOT EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO COMMIT TO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT IS FAIR TO EXPECT THE CITY TO GIVE US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO USE OUR VOICES WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO. WE GOT TO BE VOCAL BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO CONSIDER ALL THOSE THINGS

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VOCAL. THAT'S RIGHT. TRUE. YEAH I DON'T THINK IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NOT YOU.

MEGGETT SPOT ON. BUT YES. SO THESE FOLKS HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY. RIGHT? I'M SURE APARTMENTS ARE A LOT MORE PROFITABLE THAN SAYING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. CONDOS THAT ARE FIRST PURCHASE, SO I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE A BALANCE ARCHITECTURE OF THE YES, DEPARTMENT, SIR. BIG FIRMS ARE SUCCESSFUL. UH, NEW BUILDING THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF. NOT ANY OF FIVE AND HOW WE FOUND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THEY'VE GOT THE COMEDY. THINK STUFF THERE. THAT'S WHERE THE SIGN IS THAT THAT BUILDING IN A FEW YEARS. WHEN IT GETS A LITTLE WEATHER ON IT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL IF IT WAS BUILT. TWO YEARS YOU DESIRE. WHAT'S THAT DESIGN BRUSH THEIR DRESSING UP? SO YOU UNDERSTAND FROM IT HAS A KIND OF A SOURCE BECAUSE IT REFLECTS SOMETHING OF THE OLD COUNTY MUSEUM COMES TOGETHER. HAS A SENSE OF PLACE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT'S MISSING. I DON'T. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE TO GO TO, UH THE ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE YARD TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING, RIGHT? THAT BUILDING WAS VERY WELL DONE. I HAD A PURPOSE. OKAY GOOD DISCUSSIONS. ANYBODY ELSE ANYTHING? I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE BEAUTIFUL CHRISTMAS CARDS. CHRISTMAS POPCORN. POPCORN YEAH. BEFORE YOU GET HOME POINTED IT'S NOT THAT LONG OF A WALK. YEAH. OKAY SO WE'RE GONNA WE DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZENS HERE TO MAKE GENERAL

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SECONDED. THERE SHE GOES. SHE'S DOING IT. YEAH. SCREEN LIST. WENDY'S IT'S UP THERE WE GO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY? PLACE YOUR BELT. OKAY? WE'RE OUT OF HERE. 629 NICE. GOOD JOB. TALK THIS MUCH MUCH

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