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BUY THAT. OKAY. OKAY. YOU ALREADY. HEY, GOOD EVENING. IT IS 530 PM WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FEBRUARY THE 1ST 2020 FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE CD BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAD BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE SPEAKERS, CARD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE. IF NECESSARY TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE
[Informational Update Regarding Municipal Projects in the downtown area]
HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO WE'RE FIRST THING IS OUR INFORMATION SHARING, BUT I WANT TO THANK DR FELTUS FOR BEING HERE BECAUSE SOMETIMES SHE HAS TO LEAVE BEFORE WE FINISH AND I NEVER GET TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND ALL YOU DO FOR US. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OKAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO INFORMATION SHARING ADAM NUMBER 24-1173. UPDATE ON MUNICIPAL PROJECTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. PAULA. BUT HERE ON THIS BREAK AND STUDY FEBRUARY. BUT DID NOT DO A PRESENTATION SLIDE DOWN. AND ONE THING BECAUSE WE HAVE STATUS OF THINGS. WE HAD IN DECEMBER A WHOLE BUNCH OF MEETINGS. TALK ABOUT THE UPDATES, TOO. SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS GOING AROUND DOWNTOWN. HOLD AS WELL UNDERWAY. YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT. ALWAYS WHEN WE CAME IN ANY. STORE RESOURCES SURVEY FINISHED ON THE FIELD WORK IN DECEMBER. THANK YOU. DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE OTHER ITEM ONE. THE DOWNTOWN AREA. STEPHEN. OKAY? ANYBODY WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? OS IT LAST WEEK LAST TUESDAY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND, UM AND IT WAS YOU DID A GREAT JOB, AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT SO YEAH. OKAY OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY? ALRIGHT WE'RE GONNA[CONSENT ITEMS]
GO. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS? ANY ANYBODY OKAY? ALRIGHT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24-1174 MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF JANUARY 4TH 2024. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVED THE MINUTES. A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER ESTIMATED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I 2ND 2ND BOB. UM FOR DALE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. DO YOU OKAY? OKAY? MINE CAME UP TO THEM. MHM COME UP. STILL ASKING FOR A MOTION I SAW THE MOTION GETTING MADE IS UP. MINES. OUR SAYS MOVER AND SECOND ER MHM. OKAY WELL, I CAN'T GET JAMES TO COME UP EITHER. AND THAT NEITHER MAYBE WE NEED TO HELP THE GUY. MAYBE IT'S OUR TURN TO HELP THEM. YOU CAN JUST CAST HIM UP FRONT. OKAY? ALRIGHT, OKAY. OKAY, ANY OPPOSED? OKAY? PASSES ANIMUS. OKAY WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON[Discuss the Texas Statewide Preservation Plan]
TO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 24-1175. DISCUSSED THE TEXAS STATEWIDE PRESERVATION[00:05:02]
PLAN, PAULA LAST MONTH. WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS. TO PUT IT OFF TILL THIS MONTH.QUESTION. PRESERVATION PLANS. SO IT'S NOT BRAND. AND AGAIN. ONE OF THE REASONS WERE. ON OUR SIDE. PRESERVATION. PLAN FOR MILES. I'M NOT A GOOD TIME. THE TEXAS STATE WIDE PLAN IS KIND OF A GUY THAT THE STATE STORE PRESERVATION OFFICE 10 YEARS AND END UP TO ABOUT EVERYBODY. TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT THE STATE WHAT THE DESIRE AND THE TREND. DONE THINGS.
ACROSS THE STATE. WE ACTUALLY HOSTED ONE OF THE REGIONAL. THEY THE BEST DAY POSITION. THEN THEY ALSO GOT SOME FEDERAL FUNDING TO DO. DISASTER MITIGATION. JANE.
HE ALSO DID A STATEWIDE ASSESSMENT. GOVERNMENT DIED FOR DISASTER PLANNING. ALL OF THOSE ARE AVAILABLE ON. I THINK THAT HAPPEN. AND DRIPPING AROUND YOUR WINDOWS AND DOORS. FREEZE ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF. THE DANGER OF A SERIES OF MEETINGS FOR CHEFS. HILL CALLS IN ADDITION TO THEIR WEBSITE HOLD THEY ENGAGED NOT ONLY THE STAY CALM. AND THEY ENGAGED THERE. FEMA, HUD. MOUTH LIFE. PRESERVATION PARTNERS FROM PRESERVATION. ALL AROUND YOU.
AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT KIND OF TOUCH. WE'VE GOT A LOT. AMONG PROCESS IT TOOK FROM ABOUT SPRING OF 25. THEY FOUND OUT. BEST ITEM UPON THIS LIST, THE ONE THAT GOT THE MOST STATUS. LOCAL STAKEHOLDER. AWAY FROM LOCAL SUPPORT IN VARIOUS AREAS OF THE STATE. HAD THAT SAME THOUGHT, AND SO NOT NOT NECESSARILY. DEFINITELY HAVE NO RESERVATIONS. THERE.
LACK OF LOCAL PRESERVATION INCENTIVE PROGRAMS MEAL. INCREASING GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES IN URBAN AND SUBURBAN. BUT SOME CHANGES TO LOCAL AND STATE POLICIES. AS YOU MAY REMEMBER. THERE WERE SOME CHANGES. TO SUCKING THINGS OVER THE LAST FROM CHANGING AND
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SOME OF THE COUNTIES ARE EXPERIENCING. EXPERIENCING THAT ONE. ONE. UM AND THEN ANY BLACK.OR DIVERSITY OF. DEFINITELY SOME AREAS WE CAN WORK ON THAT. BUT THEY ALSO NOTIFY NOTICED.
ENDING REGIONAL TOURISM. ANY REVENUE SOURCES. IN THAT CASE TO PRESERVATION. IS IT BROADER PUBLIC WORKING? ANYWAYS, YOU CAN EXPAND. FOR THE RESOURCES THAT THEY SAW.
DOESN'T MEAN JUST. ALSO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF C HALLS AROUND THE STATE. OH, STOP.
KAREN THAT THEY'RE JUST. HOW? HOW RECENTLY? BRIDGES AND RAILROAD. I HAVE NEVER BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND A LOT OF A LOT OF CITIES. AND SOME OTHER CITIES WHERE.
SOME OF Y'ALL LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE NUMBERS. A BROAD SPECTRUM OF STATES. WHAT. 5 BILLION. THIS IS A TRICK. IT'S LIKE. FREEZE. WAS JOB. FOR VOLUNTEER HOURS.
CHURCH. 1.4 MILLION. AND ADVISED. BROUGHT IN A LOT OF MONEY. END OF THEIR PRESERVATION PLAN, ACTUALLY KIND OF SET IT ALL UP AND SAY WE GOT HERE. THEN THEY SET OUT A SERIES OF THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO DO OVER.
PERMISSION. WHERE THAT EDUCATION AND DIALOGUE MAKING SURE PRESERVATIONISTS ARE.
PRESERVATION. IS A FRAMEWORK THAT THEY CREATED. IDENTIFYING AND PRESERVING HISTORIC AND CULTURE. PEOPLE I MENTIONED. FOR GRABS NOW. TO BE IN PRISON. 50 YEARS.
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THE DAY ALSO WORKED ON IMPROVING FRAME. COMMERCIAL. RIGHT NOW. AT LEAST IN THE. IT WAS ABOUT REVITALIZATION. USING. PREPARATION AS A TOOL TO KEEP WHAT YOU'VE GOT. TO DEVELOP. ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO DO THAT. MAYBE NOT FOR WHAT THEY WERE USED FOR BEFORE. FOUR. HE SHOWED . OLD BUILDING. HELLO. REHAB INTO 30. THAT TAKES ADAPTATION. VERY SMALL ROOM. LANGRIDGE BATHROOM. I WANT TO SEE IT. STRATEGIES. ITS DESIGN STRATEGY. EXAMPLE. HERE IN TOWN WHERE WE'VE GOT. HMM THAT WAS AN OLD OFFICE BUILDING AND. LOVELY STORY. ADAPT. AND THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. IT'S THE BEST. ON THE PLANNING TEAM FOR WAS PLANNING FOR DISASTER RESILIENCE. AND THAT WHAT'S DIFFERENT DISASTERS MIGHT. THE STATE OR STATEMENT HOW. LOT OF TIME WHEN WE MAY THINK OF THAT AS THINGS LIKE BLOOD. OF ADAPTING THE THINGS BIG. BACK UP BECAUSE THEY MADE A POINT. OR THEY WERE MADE OF CLAY AND BUILT 100 YEARS AGO IN THREE RANGES. HAIR WERE PLAYED PIPES ARE THEY'LL FIND A WAY? SOME OF THAT PLATING INVOLVES LOOKING AT HOW YOU CAN ADOPT ADAPT INFRASTRUCTURE. REALLY EXCITED. SOME OF OUR AS WITH MANY AGENTS. HAZARD MITIGATION. THINGS LIKE I WOULD LIKE CRUDE HIGHER. WAS FUNDING. WANTS TO GET FIRE SPRINKLERS THAT AND THEN WE HAVE . THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING DOWNTOWN. FOUND YOU RIGHT NOW. BROOKLYN IMPROVEMENTS ALL THROUGH DOWNTOWN, DIGGING UP LOUISIANA, PUTTING IN NEW PIPES AND DRAINAGE. THAT'S SOME OF THAT. SEEN HERE SHORTLY, LIGHTING IT DOWN. THOSE ARE ALWAYS TO HELP MITIGATE.ANYTHING FIVE WAS ADVANCING PRESERVATION PRACTICE AND BROADENING THAT FOCUS THAT KIND OF BROADENING THE PARTNERS. WORK TOGETHER WITH PRESERVATION. YOU SHOULDN'T.
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THE STUDY HOMEWORK CATCHY. THERE. THIS IS GOING IN DOWNTOWN. CATCHING DURING.EXEMPT AND CREATE VINYL WINDOWS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS EARLIER BUT TELLING DIVERSE STORIES OF TEXAS REACHING OUT AND FINDING THE PEOPLE. STATISTICS OF HOW MANY PROPERTIES. ARE DESIGNATED TO WOMEN OR MINORITIES. PERCENTAGE. BUT WITH THAT. SERVICE HAS AN UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES. HURRY UP OF. IDENTIFY. NATIONAL NETWORK.
EARLIER THAT ONE OF THE MICHIGAN'S OR ONE. OUR TEAM. FEDERAL PARTNERS, WHICH.
EX DOT. ALL THINGS LIKE. EVERY TIME SEVERAL MONEY. I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO LOOK AT IT. ACT AND POSITIVE IMPACT OR NOT AT ALL. 100% I THINK I'M BROTHER. THINGS LIKE ROADS. BEING EXPANSION. 25 OR THAT HAPPENS. YOU SAW IT. THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PERTINENT TO US. I THINK. THEY ARE VERY COMMON. COMMISSION.
HISTORIC SITES, MUSEUMS. HISTORIC COMMISSION ON COLLIN COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSION. ADDED TOGETHER.
A DIFFERENT PRESERVATION. WITH THE CELTIC. BARTLESVILLE, MELISSA ALLEN, PLANO.
THEY HAVE DIFFICULTY. THE COUNTY IS SO WE HAVE OUR. SPORTS SITES MUSEUMS. WE HAVE TWO OF THE HISTORY MUSEUM. GOTCHA. UM, SCENES. AND THAT IS THE SUMMARY OF.
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SO JUST. TRYING TO GET THE KIND OF THE SCOPE OF WHERE WE GET FUNDED HERE LOCALLY, SO THERE IS THERE IS THE TOURISM. THAT COMES FROM THE CITY. AS A TAX. UM TAX. CREDIT, BASICALLY. YOU PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER WORD. TOURIST FUNDING IS, UM THAT COMES FROM TAXING OF THE CERTAIN AREAS AND THE TOURIST. HURRY UP, AND THAT IS A GREAT PROCESS. OKAY, INVESTMENT. RIGHT PROJECT. INTO THE SCHOOL. PARTICULARLY AN OKAY? AWESOME. OF COURSE, IS ACT HAS.REALLY OURS. RIGHT, BUT THOSE ARE FUNDED FROM TAX BASE FROM MCKINNEY CITY TAX BASE, RIGHT, OKAY. MIND. RIGHT? RIGHT WELL, IT HAS TO BE MADE UP SOMEPLACE, BUT BUT WHAT? WHAT PART OR DO WE GET ANY CONTRIBUTIONS AS A CITY? UH, FROM THE THC, THE STATE OR NATIONAL SO THEIR SUPPORT IS REALLY WHAT ADMINISTRATIVE FOR THE MOST PART THE ADVANTAGE OF BECOMING A C L G EVENTUALLY. MHM AND THE C L G. WE ARE FRUIT AND LG. IT'S UP TO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FUN. IN THE US OR OTHER RIGHT? FUNDS THAT ARE FILTERED FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. DON'T SO DO WE HAVE ANY ANY SORT OF WAY TO TRACK OR OR AN IDEA OF WHAT DO YOU HAVE A BUILDING? LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE HARVEST IS GOING UM SO THAT WAS TAXED AT X. RIGHT WITH X VALUE. PRIOR. TO BUT NOW THAT THE CITY IN THE STATE AND STUFF HAVE INVESTED MONEY IN IT DO THEN WE HAVE WHAT'S IT GOING TO ADD TO THE TAX ROLL. THE TOP OF MY HEAD. UH PLENTY OF THE HOUSES. THEY DO THEIR TERMS APPLICATION IF THEY'RE GOING TO APPLY APPLICATION. THEY DO A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY NOW. IN THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AFTER THE RENOVATION. WHEN THEY DO THAT, AND IT'S GONNA IDENTIFICATION. THERE IS A RUPTURE. WELL, I'M I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL TAX VALUE FOR IT. IN OTHER WORDS, UM , BECAUSE A LOT OF THE HOUSES THAT UM OR BEING REDONE. UM. I KNOW THAT THEIR TAX BILL IS GOING WAY UP, AND I KNOW THAT I'M NO SET. OH, BUT ANOTHER WORD TO THE MONEY THAT THE CITY IS INVESTING. IS THAT THEY ARE GETTING OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT BACK. MAYBE IN A LARGE WAY. THEORETICALLY, YES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE REALIZATION THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN UNDERSTANDING OF YEP, SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING AWAY MORE HIV. AND THERE WAS TOGETHER. RIGHT NOW, THE CITY SAYS. FORGET $500,000 WORTH OF TAXES. RIGHT? FOR THE AGENT. ACTUALLY, WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT NUMBER YET. MEMBER SO THAT WE HAVE SOME SPACE. BUT WE HAD TO GET THAT. $1000. APPRECIATE EVERY TIME BECAUSE THOSE PROPERTY VALUES THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF IS THAT BUT YOU CAN GET THE TO THEM FOREVER. BE OKAY. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THINGS, THAT'D BE FINE. I DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. WOULD IT BE AN INTERESTING STUDY TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF BUILDING PERMITS OR I'M SORRY. WHAT? WHAT'S YOUR TERM FOR, UH, HOUSE IN HISTORICAL DISTRICT. IT'S ASKING
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FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. THAT'S THE C O A. BUT YES, OKAY. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE IF WE WENT BACK X NUMBER OF YEARS. AND LOOKED AT HOW MANY KOALAS WERE GIVEN OUT AND IN WHAT THE TAX VALUE IS ON IT NOW. YEAH, I THINK WE WOULD GET A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF HOW VALUABLE I THINK.THE MONEY IS BEING USED. MORE CONCRETE IDEAS. THE ANECDOTAL IDEA THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE VALUE WILL BE DOES TAXES HAVE GONE UP ENOUGH? YEAH. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BY THE CITY INVESTING IN THE HOMEOWNERS. THEN THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY INCREASES IN VALUE, AND THEN THE CITY REAPS THE BENEFITS FROM THAT AS WELL, SO IT'S KIND OF A WIN WIN IN THE STATE PLAN BECAUSE THEY HIRE A CONSULTANT. THANK YOU. PREVIOUS FEDERAL PROGRAMS, ENCOURAGING REINVESTMENT IN HISTORIC PROPERTIES HISTORIC COMMERCIAL RESTORATION PROJECTS HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT. CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE CURRENT FEDERAL PROGRAMS? IF THERE ARE ANY THERE ARE SOME FEDERAL PROGRAM THEIR TAX CREDIT PROGRAMS GENERALLY. THE MOST UP TO DATE INFORMATION ON THEM RIGHT NOW. IT'S FLUCTUATING. I KNOW IT BACK IN THE SEVENTIES. IT WAS LIKE 25% FEDERAL INCOME TAX CREDIT FOR ARREST, MINT AND COMMERCIAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THIS WOULD GIVE YOU A FEDERAL PARTICIPATION WHAT WE'RE DOING CHANGES IN THE EIGHTIES. YES, ONE WAY FOR A WHILE AND. CHANGES AND SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT CHANGED AT THAT POINT. IT'S AN INTERESTING PHENOMENON. IT DOES ENCOURAGE INVESTMENT. PART OF THE CITY OR THE STATE OF INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES IN COMMERCIAL HISTORIC RESTORATION PROJECTS. THAT WAS A BIG KEY IN THE SEVENTIES. DOWN, RIGHT? THE STATE'S NOT ALL. OF THE STATES HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL TAX CREDIT. RIGHT TEXAS ARE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM IN TEXAS. INVESTIGATION PROGRAM. IS A BASED ON FRANCHISING. THE MOST INTERESTING TO SEE THE CURRENT STATUS AS IT WOULD ENCOURAGE A LOT MORE INVESTMENT. PERHAPS ALREADY HAVE INVESTMENT OF INFORMATION ON THAT TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION'S WEBSITE ABOUT STATE PROGRAM AND THE AND THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY RESTORATION REMODELING. NON PROFIT NOT RECLAIMED. DO WE EVER LOOK AT THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS? THEY SAY THAT HER IN THE 4045 YEAR OLD RANGE TODAY. AND THEN GO AND PROACTIVELY.
WORK TO LET SOMEBODY KNOW. HERE'S WHAT? WELL WELL, SIR, THAT THE SURVEY IS THE SURVEY IS GOING TO HELP US WITH THAT WRONG. DO WE ACTIVELY GO OUT AND SAY THINGS HAVE HIT 45 BUILDINGS 45. ALMOST 50. NO, WE DON'T. WE DON'T DO THAT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN COME IN AND GET. THE LANDMARK PROPERTY BY THE CITY IF THEY WANT AND ONCE THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT BOUNDARY THAT IF THEY WANTED TO GET SOMETHING. GO TO THE COUNTY AND 15.
THE NEW I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON THE C L G CERTIFICATION. CAN YOU KIND OF UPDATE US ON WHERE WE ARE? IN THAT PROCESS. JUST ABOUT ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE NEED TOGETHER. TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT PACKET BUNDLE. IT'S IN THE BUNDLE AND RUNNING IT UP THE LADDER BEFORE WE RUN IT OVER TO.
LG COORDINATOR. CRAZY REVIEW. WE HAVE A THREE ACT. AND YET THE SURVEY IS PART OF
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THAT AS WELL IS TO HELP WITH THAT RIGHT. BUT YOU RIGHT? BUT THERE'S ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE BETWEEN WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME TIME LEFT, OKAY? AH! GENERALLY TRIED TO DO DELIVERY. THERE'S BECAUSE STUFF CHANGES. YEAH.THANKS. I KNOW PART OF THE PART OF WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE OR DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REQUIRED BUT TO HAVE ORDINANCE SPECIFIC TO HISTORIC DISTRICT IS THAT SOMETHING? OKAY? IN THE UK IT USED TO BE ONE POINT RIGHT? RIGHT? BUT NOW IT'S ALL INCORPORATED. YES BUT IT HADN'T CHANGED ANY RIGHT THAT HAS CHANGED WAS CLARIFIED SOME LANGUAGE ON RIGHT? RIGHT SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO DESIGN ELEMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE. THERE'S NO SPECIFIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. OKAY? AND THAT WOULD STAY THE SAME. THERE WOULD BE NO CORRECT. SHE'S NOT IN HERE RIGHT NOW, SO I THINK WE'RE SAFE. THANK YOU, PAULA. OKAY, ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU, PAUL. THANK
[Discuss the Demolition Request Process in the Historic Overlay District]
YOU. OKAY ALRIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 24-1176 DISCUSS THE DEMOLITION REQUEST PROCESS IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, OKAY? SO THIS IS ANOTHER SERIES OF OUR FRIENDS HELPED ME. THE DEMOLITION PROCESS IN THE WANT. TO THIS KILLING. WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS, TALKING ABOUT SOME ALTERNATIVES. WHAT 90 DAYS. DID YOU SEE UP HERE IS ONE THAT WAS SLATED FOR DEMOLITION VIA THIS DEPARTMENT. DESIGN ORIENTED ARCHITECT. THREE HABIT FOR US THE BUILDING. JAMES WEST, DIFFERENT VIEWS BECAUSE I JUST COULDN'T GET YOU KNOW WHEN THIS CAME UP. THERE WAS NO FLOOR ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IT WAS JUST FRAMING WAS GONE JUST WALL SITTING ON SOME BLOCKS. AND IT WAS SICK. IT WAS VERY COMPELLING. AND HOME WAS ON THE HOLIDAY HOME TOUR BELIEVE THIS YEAR. AND IT WAS FANTASTIC AND THERE COULD BE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW US THE UPSTAIRS NEXT YEAR, LITTLE BIT. I THINK SO. THE DEMOLITION REQUEST IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAVE TO HAPPEN TO US. APPLICATION. ALUMINUM. ONLINE NOW. A LETTER OF INTENT. THE NATIONS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. A SURVEY SHOWING PLAN SHOWING WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS. CALLED A LOT WITH STRUCTURE. WILL BE ASKED FOR PHOTOGRAPHS OVERALL. THOSE FIRST FEW THINGS. ELEVATIONS. PHOTOGRAPHS. ACQUIRED BY THE ORGAN. BUT HE WAS ALSO. ADDITIONAL MATERIALS AS REQUESTED BY THE H P. M. ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T WANT BUILDING MATERIAL. BUT WE DO ASK FOR ENGINEERS. WHAT'S WRONG? QUIET. IN THE PAST ALSO TAKEN.[00:40:20]
COMPLETE BEFORE THEY GENERALLY BEFORE THEY GET TO THE APPLICATION PROCESS. EVERY. LOOK AT PROPERTIES THAT ARE IDENTIFYING SOME KIND OF ALTERNATIVES. OUR NUMBER. HAS JUST WE'RE USING IT FOR. USING IT FOR A TOTALLY DIFFERENT. ORGANIZATION. I'VE BEEN IT WAS HISTORICALLY. LEAST IT'S NOT GONE, RIGHT? YOU HAVEN'T DONE WE'RE GONNA GO. AROUND.COMPLETELY. TRANSITION. IT IS SELLING THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY AND RUNNING INSTEAD.
ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT. THAT IS WHEN YOU. BUILDING NECESSARILY, BUT MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE BUILDING . SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE REQUIRED THERE. I WOULD SAY YOU CAN'T JUST GO IN WITH THEM.
RECOGNIZABLE TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING. SMALL TAKEN APART IN PIECES. WHEN THE SALVAGE. THE MODERN EXAMPLE OF THAT WHERE WHEN THE ICE HOUSE WAS DEMOLISHED HERE IN TOWN TO SAVE WHAT BREAKS THEY COULD THAN STACKING UP THE WRITTEN PILE. STICKING OUT WHICH ONES WERE STRUCTURALLY SOUND ENOUGH THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY USE THEM. WE'RE GOING TO BE USING IT FOR IS HOW DO YOU PAPERS AND ON THE WALL? CAN YOU MAKE SURE THEY WERE GOING? RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY A LOT OF IT WERE AROUND. OR EVEN IN THEIR OWN GREENHOUSE GARAGE. THAT I WAS PUT. SORT OF BLOCKED BALL HOUSE. 18 WATER. KIND OF BLOCKED OFF FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DECADES JAMES MANY, MANY DECADES AND YOU CAN DRIVE BY NOW AND SEE THAT IT IS NO LONGER AN ACTIVATION. HAS FINALLY BEEN HE WAS INVITED. BUT IT IS ACTUALLY REALLY HAPPY NOW. ON THE ASIANS TO MAKE IT, PELLINGTON. WE TRIED . TO NOT ALWAYS. WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND LET ME FIND OUT LATER. POLLEN SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THERE WAS ONE. THERE'S A QUICK THING IN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCES. WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? 1 46 68. I KNOW THAT'S BUT THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. BUT THERE WAS THERE WAS A SECTION THERE REGARDING DEMOLITION THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU CANNOT ACHIEVE A REASONABLE RATE OF RETURN BY DOING THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED CHANGED. THERE'S A NUANCE TO THAT. GOOD. PROCESS APPLICATIONS. I MENTIONED THE FREE APPLICATION. IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN COMMERCIAL AREA THAN IN THE REST. INTERNAL AREA. AT THE MEETING. WE MAY GO BACK AND FORTH. THE ANSWER. INSIDE.
FOR CREATING BEYOND DOES IT HAPPEN? OH, A. OR IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA. WE CAN. IF WE
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DENY IT, THEN IF THEY DON'T LIKE OUR ANSWER THEY CAN GO APPEAL IT TO HIM. PAULA THAT. OH, IS IT ME? WHEN CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF A DENIAL AND THE MOST RECENT THIS AREA? OKAY? IT COULD HAPPEN. RESIDENTIAL AREA IS THE REST. THAT PROCESS IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. WE DON'T GET TO SAY NO AND STUFF. DENIED OR. WHAT TO SAY? YES, WE BRING IT TO THE BOARD. OR WE COULD JUST BRING IT. START MAKING IT. YOU TODAY. FORD AND Y'ALL. OF THE CASE AND DECIDED IT'S GONNA BE SMALL COMMENT. HOUSE ON DAVIS. BEFORE IT WAS DONE. THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT BEING WORKED ON IT ALL, AND THAT HOUSE WAS COMPLETED. FOUR OTHER HOUSES WERE THEN RESTORED IN A NEW ONE WAS BUILT IN COMPATIBLE WITH THAT DESIGN, SO THERE'S A SPINOFF AND ENCOURAGEMENT TO DEVELOPMENT THAT IS VERY POSITIVE WITH RESTORATION. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT NOT TO GIVE UP. ON THESE PROJECTS. SO GIVE ME SOMETHING THAT WE AND IT GOES TO YOU ONCE IT GOES TO THE BOARD. THE BOARD. YOU'VE DONE THIS ALREADY THIS YEAR TWICE.IMPROVE IT. IF IT WAS DENIED BY THE BOARD. NEVER BE. OR TO DENY IT. THE WAY THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT.
WITH THE DEMOLITION DENIAL. YEAH, IF THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SAY. THERE'S TWO UP. OR BEFORE THEY APPEAL TO COUNCIL. THEY CAN APPEAL FOR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN THEN GO. IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. WE CAN'T MAKE IT. BUT THAT'S ONLY TRIGGERED BY DENIAL.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. THAT'S WHEN THEY CLAIM ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. IN AN APART FROM THE COMMERCIAL AREA. THE LAST TIME THAT WE. POST OFFICE. GUATEMALA.
THE YOUTH BUILDING. MHM YEAH, THAT PROCESS KIND OF SOLID. THROUGH ALL THOSE DEATHS, NIGHT EVENING ECONOMIC HARDSHIP NOT DENIED. COUNCIL AND COUNCIL. THAT PROCESS. YEP, AND THEN. HE WAS HE WAS IN THAT, UH, HE WAS EVEN THAT HE WAS REALLY AT THAT TIME. TRINITY MY KIDS DID ONE LAST THING. THERE'S NO CRITERIAS STIPULATED WITHIN THE ORDINANCES WITH REGARD TO HOW YOU PROVE OR WHAT? WHAT YOU USED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION OF RETURN. OKAY? DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY TYPE OF.
THEIR OWN REGULATIONS TO DOING INDEPENDENT ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER THAT OKAY, THEY CAN DO THEY OKAY? YEAH. OKAY. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. ONE WEEK DO THE STAFF LEVEL. THEOLOGY. THAT PROCESS. YOU GUYS WERE DOING AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE SENDING. HAPPY MORNING TO SEND IT TO YOU RATHER THAN REVIEWING. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING MORE FORMAL. IN THE FACE STILL INSIDE THAT. DO YOU SEE? UM WE'RE DOING A NEW
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SURVEY WHERE IDENTIFYING THESE HISTORIC PROPERTIES. DO YOU SEE THAT SURVEY BEING APART? OR CHANGING THIS PROCESS AT ALL. BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE IDENTIFYING HISTORIC PROPERTIES.AND WE'RE GOING TO A LOT OF TROUBLE TO DO THAT. AND BUT AT SOME POINT DO YOU SEE IT? MAYBE REQUIRING AN ADDITIONAL STEP. THAT OKAY, THIS IS A PRIORITY. ONE HISTORIC PROPERTY. IS THAT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE PROCESS? CASUAL DRESSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. RIGHT? BUT THERE'S NOTHING NOW THAT NOW THERE'S NOTHING NOW, BUT RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST I MEAN, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ALSO LOOK AT. IT'S AN UPGRADE DAUGHTER. SO THE 90 DAYS DEMOLITION DELAY. WITH THE TEXT.
THE 90 DAY. DELAY IS AN OPTION THAT WE HAVE OKAY. I CAN'T DO IT FOR 1980. SOME DAYS. LIKE TODAY.
HOW IS THAT HELPFUL? HOW IS THAT HELPFUL? HOW THAT IS HELPFUL. EXACTLY GIVES THE BUILDER. TIME TO TRY TO FIND SOME ALTAR. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY, PROPERTY. LOOKING INTO IT SMALL ENOUGH TO RELOCATE. MAYBE. TO GIVE THE. THE KEY IN A LONG TIME. THE LAST ONE I WAS GIVEN, 100 POINTED AWAY AND 30. DAYS LATER, THEY FOUND THE KEY IS YOU DESCRIBE AS THE INTEGRATION OF THE PROCESS, SO IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING STANDARDS DEPARTMENT. IT WAS A WHOLE DECISION BY THE BY THE STAFF AND OVER OVERVIEW, AND IT GIVES OPTIONS THAT AREN'T THERE BEFORE. YOU KNOW THE 90 DAY DELAYS HOLD BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU THAT. THE PRE APPLICATION MEETING IS OFF. THE TOP OF THAT GIVES US THE SIGNIFICANT SO. AWARE OF THE OTHER. TO TRY TO FIND OTHER I NEEDED COULD ASKING QUESTIONS. BUT I DO HAVE ONE MORE. UH, LET'S SAY A PERSON WOULD LIKE TO SELL THEIR HOUSE.
IS THERE A PROCESS NOW THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH? PRIOR TO SELLING IT PRIOR TO MAKE PUTTING IT ON THE MARKET THAT THEY COULD FIND OUT THAT NO, IT CAN'T BE. UM DEMOLISHED OR ANOTHER WORDS.
PREVENTING A PROBLEM FROM OCCURRING. DOWN THE ROAD. SO YOU HAVE TIME YOU WANTED THEM OUT.
RIGHT? THE ECOWAS. GENERALLY THERE IS THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY NO, YOU CAN'T IF YOU COULD ALWAYS COME BACK. OF YOUR EYES. I'M JUST TRYING TO PREVENT SOMEONE BUYING IT THINKING THAT THEY COULD AND THEN FINDING OUT THAT NO SO THAT'S A JOKE. BECAUSE THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE IN THE STORY IS COMMUNICATED. I'M WORRYING ON ALL THOSE PAGES. YOU GOT TO FILL OUT THE SIGNED WHEN YOU SELL YOUR HOUSE. THE LOST THIS PROPERTY ISN'T. AND IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS. TO BAD AND WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CALL AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT BUYING THIS PROPERTY. WE KNOW IT. WHAT'S THE DEAL? NOT ABOUT HISTORIC. HAVE THAT SET OF DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND SO THEY'RE LIKE, WORRIED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM FEED THEIR PURPLE HOUSE BLUE. WE ALSO HAVE STARTED. YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION OUT THERE ON THE
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WEBSITE. WE'VE GOT MAPS AND IT'LL TELL YOU, YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE'VE TRIED DOING POSTCARDS. THREE YEARS SO THAT WE CAN. WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE, AND THEY'VE ALREADY BOUGHT IT AND MOVED IN. IN A TRAINING WITH THE REALTOR. YOU KNOW, JUST. YOU KNOW, WE OPENED IT UP TO. SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO GET THAT WORD OUT. THAT MISSION HEALTH GET OFTEN GO TO ANOTHER. NUMBER 75. THE WORD OUT, RIGHT? SHORT FIRE PROVEN WAY TO PREVENT IT.THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMEBODY. UM, I THINK IT'S A MATTER KIND OF A PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. REALLY YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BUYING A HOUSE, YOU WANT TO LOOK INTO WHAT? WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF IT RIGHT? DO DILIGENCE YOU'RE ON. YOUR HANDS TO THE WEEK.
ACTUALLY, THEY COME AROUND. SO IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, LIKE YOU SAID.
MING AT CHESTNUT STREET. SO THAT WAS HARLAND AND. THERE'S LIKE PLAN APPROVED. HE'S STILL THERE.
129. WHAT IS IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA. THIS ONE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. BIT. WE TALKED BACK AND FORTH. THEY TRIED THAT WORKED WITH US TO TRY TO SAY ANYTHING. BRITISH. BACHELOR OWN ALL 312 AND. THREE BUT, YOU KNOW, PLAN WHEN WE FINISHED APPRECIATION, I GUESS. I'M GOING TO BE THESE WERE GOING TO REMAIN, AND THEN THE SECOND STORY WOULD STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT. WHEN YOU ADD A SECOND STORY, YOU PUSH THEM BACK. PRESERVATION. BUT THEY WERE. THEY HAD THEIR FRONT. AND TO MAKE SURE THAT LITTLE PIECES. AND UP THIS NEW ALL THE NEW STUFF. WALLS ALL THE TIME. THAT WAS NOT. THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE. THEY CAME BACK. US AGAIN. WE DID RECOGNIZE. UM, IT'S UM THEY ARE WORKING. THROUGH THE FINAL NUANCE. AND SO I DON'T HAVE YOU TODAY.
REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE IT THE NTC. TWO STORY BUILDING ON THAT CORNER. THE ONES THAT DID IT.
MAYBE FIVE. JUST GOTTA GO BIG QUALIFICATION. HAVEN'T DONE THEIR ARCHITECT KIDS VIRGIN. YOU DON'T MIND. I WON'T WORK WITH US OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR AND.
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HOW THIS IS GONNA TAKE A WHILE. I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE. BUT IT'S GONNA BE GOOD. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO BEGIN. SO THE FIRST THE FIRST RIGHT? YES. BUILDINGS CURRENTLY OWNED THAT THEY WERE THEY WERE OWNED OVER. AT ALL IN ONE PURCHASE. REALLY AS WE. BUT THERE. BEING ABLE TO MOVE OUR CHURCH. 13 YEARS OLD. WELL.ANY CONSTRUCTION TO THAT. BYE. IT WEIGHS. YOU KNOW THE HISTORY. OF THAT STRUCTURE. IT WAS A GAS STATION ONE TIME ISK AT POLICIES. THOMASTON.
AND THE BRICK THAT IS EXISTING. THEY'RE NOT ALL OF ITS NEW SOME OF IT'S NOT SO ALL OF ITS OLD SOME OF ITS NEW CORRECT THAT WOULD BE THE DESTROY. CURRY WRONG. AND A GREAT WAY. AROUND.
IN THAT. LOOKING AT PRESERVATION. RIGHT? JUST TO KINDA UP HERE. 1885 PHOTOGRAPHS.
THERE WAS ANOTHER COLUMN. BY 1985. IT WAS ALREADY GONE HOME. MADE A BUNCH OF MODIFICATIONS THERE. AS YOU CAN. IT IS HORRIBLE OUT. ONE IS NOT THERE WERE MULTIPLE MODIFICATIONS. HMM SO IS IT JUST THAT ARE THESE THREE BUILDINGS ARE TWO. ARE WE LOOKING AT THE I SEE THE DARK BRICK AND I SEE A WHITE BUILDING AND I SEE ANOTHER WHITE BUILDING. SO WHICH TO THE WHITE, THE WHITE BUILDING. WOW. BY THE WILD BUILDING THAT IS STUCK UP, SO THAT'S ONE BUILDING. THAT'S OUR ORIGINAL PURCHASE. WITH THAT ONE. THAT'S FOR A LONG TIME. SO THAT. BUILDING. BUILDING YOU SEE
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ON THE TOP. THE TOP LEFT. YEAH. SO THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS. AND SO ALL THREE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE TAKEN OUT. I'M 21. SO THE TOP TWO WERE TAKEN OUT, OKAY? SO THE TOP TWO ARE TAKEN OUT AND I BUTCHERED DESIGN GOING TO BE THE DESIGN.SO THERE WILL BE NO NODS TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS LIKE SO THE ONE ON THE UPPER LEFT. THERE WILL BE A NOD TO. THE CORNER. DARK BRICK, THE RED BRICK. THAT'S THAT'S.
BETTER THAN THAT. I CAN FEEL IT A LITTLE BIT CONNECTION WITH ME. I DON'T SEE THAT. RHYTHM HERE WITH 12. ONE AND THEN AT ALL. ANOTHER ONE. WE GOT THE 123 DAYS. THE NEW BUILDING. KIND OF FOLLOWS A SIMILAR PATTERN. THAT'S PARTIALLY PART OF THE REQUIREMENT OF THE FOLLOW ON 20 TO 30 FT BASE FACING PATTERN. THESE FOUR WORDS. YOU. UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN OF TEACHING. UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN. YOU'LL STILL SEE THIS KIND OF PATTERN IN THE NEW BUILDING. BUT THIS. AND OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE, THIS QUARTER POPS UP A LITTLE HIGHER. REPORTER. HMM. SO WHAT'S THE AGE OF THE BUILDING ON THE UPPER LEFT THE WHITE BUILDING ON THE UPPER LEFT? OR NO UP AND UPPER LEFT. YEAH. EARLY 20TH CENTURY. A LOT OF EARLY 19 HUNDREDS. SAYING THAT WAS LITTLE LATER, SO MANY MODIFICATIONS EVERY TIME THAT WHEN THEY DID. IT'S A BUILDING.
YEAH WE MAKE USE OF ANY OF THE OLD BRICK. ANYTHING BEING SALVAGED FOR DISCUSSION. NO. IF I WANT TO ADD ANYTHING QUESTIONS , YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. AND I APPRECIATE THE PROCESS THAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE ARE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. WE LIKE TO SEE WE DON'T LIKE.
WELL, UM, I'LL JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I DON'T LIKE CHANGE. BUT I, UH I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE WHAT YOU CAN AND, UM I JUST HOPE THAT YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING THIS AREA AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS OF TRYING TO. WE KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BLEND WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND TO TRY TO KEEP THAT. UM THAT HISTORIC FIELD AND I THINK AT THIS POINT WE THAT'S ALL THAT WE CAN ASK IS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TRY TO CONTINUE THAT HISTORIC FIELD AND, UM, BUT IT'S EXCITING THAT YOU WANT TO BE ON THE SQUARE. YOU WANT TO BE IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. AND, UM I JUST APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND TALKING TO US. THANK YOU, CARL. ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT, OKAY?
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THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, ROB. THANK YOU, KYLE FOR COMING. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO ITEM NUMBER[Discuss the Historic Home Recognition Calendar 2025]
. 24-1177 DISCUSSED THE HISTORIC HOME RECOGNITION CALENDAR. 2025 PAULA, YOU'VE BEEN BUSY TONIGHT.HISTORICALLY HOME RECOGNITION GALLERY. MEETING YOU HERE. TO BE READY FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S COUNTY. IN JULY. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE SAME BUDGET WE HAD BEFORE. SO IF WE WILL START TAKING ADVERTISING. COMING IN. I FEEL LIKE THAT. BUT. GETTING CLOSE. THEY HAVE SEEN SOCIAL MEDIA POST LAST WEEK. REMINDING EVERYBODY HEY, I'M NOMINATED SOME HOMES. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRING THE NOMINATIONS FOR INTERVIEW, GUYS. AWARD AT THE MARCH MEETING. BUT RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT FIGHTING. I APOLOGIZE. LAST WEEK WHEN I WORKED WITH DONATIONS. SO THAT WE HAVE 12. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALWAYS ENCOURAGE YOUR FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS FAMILY. TO NOMINATE THE. THE WHOLE AREA, AND SO. MORE. INSTALLATIONS. A BIG INCREASE TO THE LAST I HAD SEVERAL BOXES OF THAT ONE. REASON WE HAVE HELD SOME OVER. AT THE JANUARY AND. I THINK WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF REQUEST LAST WEEK WHEN THE SOCIAL MEDIA WE ORDER LESS THIS YEAR. I DON'T REMEMBER A FEW. SOME PREVIOUS YEARS. ACTUALLY. WITH ABOUT THE SAME. WELL I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO THE GREAT IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MADE. IT'S A IT'S A REALLY BEAUTIFUL CALENDAR. I JUST THINK THAT EVERY TIME I SEE IT, WE HAVE IT UP IN OUR HOUSE. STILL YEAH, BUT ACTUALLY, I HAD SOME PEOPLE ASK ME FOR THEM, TOO. SO THEY'RE STILL KEEPING TALENT ON MY WHITEBOARD. YEAH, WE STILL HAVE. AND SO IF THEY WANT THEM, DO THEY? WHERE DID THEY GET THEM? WHERE ARE YOU? OKAY? THE LAST. SAYS NO. YOU HAD SOME BUT THE LIBRARY HAD SOME WEEKS AND INTO ALL THE LIBRARIES, APEX SETTLERS. CHAMBER ACCOUNT. UH, DON'T. THANK YOU FOR THE PHONE AND THEN REST OF THE LIBRARIES.
BUT. OKAY? IN OUR BUSINESS IN THE PAST, UH, WE BUY ADD, LET'S SAY THE CALENDAR. UM FOR EXTRA DOLLARS. BUT IF WE WANTED TO HAVE THEM AVAILABLE TO GIVE AWAY AT OUR BUSINESS THEN THE ADD COST QUITE A BIT MORE MONEY. FOR THAT TO COVER THE PRINTING OF ADDITIONAL BUT IT. MADE YOU FEEL LIKE AS A ADVERTISER THAT. YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GIVE AWAY TO PEOPLE THAT THE NEXT GUY DIDN'T WE ACTUALLY WHEN WE GET THEM IN STOCK. WE ACTUALLY EMAIL ALL OF THE APPETIZERS AND SAY, HEY, OKAY? YEAH, THEY GET FIRST COME FIRST. GENERALLY. A LOT OF REPEAT ADVERTISERS, AND SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH. WHAT DID THE ADS RANGE? UM. FOR HE'S ALSO CARRY ON FOR ONE ON THE ACTUAL UNNATURAL CALENDAR. DADDY. ON
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THE ACTUAL CALENDAR. THE OTHERS ARE. SO CAN YOU TALKING ABOUT, UM, NOMINATIONS? CAN YOU REMIND ME ARE THERE? UM GUIDELINES THAT WE WANT TO FOLLOW? WHEN WE'RE TALKING? WE'RE NOMINATING HOUSES. DOMINATION. TO BE ANY HOUSE THAT'S BEEN MAINTAINED WELL OR RESTORED AND REHAB.PAULA CAN YOU GET US THE COST FOR THE ADS? JUST WHENEVER YOU GET A CHANCE. THANKS. WELL I TOLD YOU TOMORROW SO. I TOLD YOU VERBALLY. AT LAST MEETING, WE OFFER UP OUR HOUSE. AND SO I JUST EMAILED YOU JUST YOU AND WENDY AND CASSIE. SO THAT WAY IT WOULD GET THROUGH, SO I DON'T FORGET AGAIN. HMM. HMM THAT WAS DISTURBING. YEAH THAT WAS DISTURBING, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, ACTUALLY LOOKED. OKAY TALK MY WIFE OUT OF TAKING IT DOWN, THANKFULLY. OKAY? ALRIGHT ANYTHING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR. ALRIGHT, I DON'T WE FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS, WHICH I'M
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ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY. SO DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF HAVE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT. UM AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT. WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE COMMERCIAL. BUT WHEN WE DO SEE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS BEING TAKEN DOWN, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE PRESENTERS TODAY, COMING COMING IN AND TALKING BUT AGAIN, IT IS ANOTHER OLD BUILDING THAT'S BEING TAKEN DOWN IN THE HISTORIC AREA, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET QUESTIONS ABOUT IT SINCE WE'RE ON THE BOARD. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY'RE GOING WITH IT AS FAR AS LIKE.THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE ENVISIONED TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THIS AND I WOULD REALLY LOVE IT. IF THE ARCHITECTS COULD AT LEAST GIVE A NOD TO LIKE A REALLY GOOD NOD TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT THOSE BUILDINGS TONIGHT, AND I SAW THE CENTER WHITE BUILDING, I COULD SEE A CHURCH IN THE STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE ALREADY BECAUSE OF THE TWO BIG WINDOWS ON THE SIDE AND THE BIG DOOR, AND I'M LIKE, HOW NICE WOULD THAT BE? IF THAT COULD JUST BE EXPANDED UPON AND SOMEHOW INTEGRATED IN THE DESIGN AND EVEN THOUGH IT HAS TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND BE NICE IF THE CITY COULD JUST YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT, SO THAT AT LEAST WHEN YOU SAW IT, YOU WOULD THINK. OH, YEAH, AND THAT THAT LOOKS THE BOTTOM PART.
STILL KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDING THAT WAS THERE. UM THAT'S THE ONLY SAD PART. BUT I MEAN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S CRUMBLING AND ALL THAT. AND EVEN WITH THE ICE HOUSE, YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WENT DOWN IF WE COULD HAVE JUST HAD SOMETHING, YOU KNOW NOW WHEN I DRIVE PAST, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE PARKING GARAGE AND THIS BIG BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY DO HAVE TO GO. BUT GOSH, COULDN'T WE AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE? WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? UM YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. IT WAS THE CITY POUND FOR WRECKED CARS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY WRECKED CARS AT THIS TIME, AND THAT'S NOT THE GOAL. AM I AGREE? I THINK THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTING TO HAVE THEM. COME IN HERE. THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE BEING DEMOED. UM AND MAYBE I JUST HAVEN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, VERY AWARE. UM BUT I DO AGREE IN PART, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO, UM YOU KNOW? BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND, UM OR AT LEAST HERE, PRESENTATION FROM THEM ABOUT THE WAYS THEY TRIED TO UTILIZE THE BUILDING AS IT STANDS, MAYBE WITHOUT ADDING A SECOND STORY, UM, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIAL ON ITS OWN IF THEY DIDN'T NEED TO ADD A SECOND STORY? AH, UM AND IS THAT UNNECESSARY CHANGE FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE BUILDING. JUST QUESTIONS LIKE THAT WOULD BE NICE, TOO. HAVE ANSWERS TO. I THINK I'M NOT SURE AND I KNOW THERE'S BROUGHT THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ORDINANCES AND HOW IT'S SET UP, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHY AND WHY WE JUST HAVE WE LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NOT THE COMMERCIAL FEEL LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, I
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DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WOW. WELL AND I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW THAT IS SET UP. AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT? AS YOU KNOW? CAN WE JUST CAME? CAN WE IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND LIKE WE'RE DOING IT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. EVEN BETTY, WE GO TO THE YOU AND I GO TO THE FIRST UNITED METHODISTS. AND WHEN I STARTED GOING, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE YOUTH BUILDING WAS ACTUALLY THE POST OFFICE AND YOU LOOK AT IT, AND THAT'S MY CHURCH. SO I FEEL LIKE SOMEWHAT EVEN THOUGH HAPPENED BEFORE I GOT THERE. I FEEL SOMEWHAT RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK ANY. IT'S A MODERN BUILDING AND IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE OUR CHURCH. AND WE ALSO HAVE THE HERD CRAIG AREA TOO, AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T WE JUST DO SOMETHING TO THAT FACADE TO MAKE IT LOOK SOMETHING LIKE WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? MUSH RIGHT? IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A BIG MODERN BUILDING. WOULD I HOPE THAT ONCE WE GET THIS SURVEY DONE THAT WHETHER IT THERE IS AN ADDITION IF SOMETHING IS FLAGGED HISTORIC BY THE SURVEY THAT THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL STEP, WHETHER IT COMES TO US WHETHER IT GOES TO COUNSEL WHETHER IT GOES TO P AND Z, YOU KNOW THAT THERE WE CAN PUT AN ADDITIONAL STEP JUST TO KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT SOMETHING THAT'S FLAGGED HISTORIC WELL. AND EVEN EVEN IF THE CITY COULD DO SOMETHING, LIKE, LOOK, WE KNOW WE KNOW YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN. BUT IF WE GIVE YOU THIS MUCH INCENTIVE TO JUST AT LEAST MAKE THE FACADE LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF HELP FROM THE CITY JUST TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY BECAUSE NOW IT'S JUST THE MIDDLE BUILDING IS PRETTY CUTE. I REALLY LIKED THAT BUILDING WELL, AND I KNOW PAULA, YOU DID SAY THAT THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BAYS.RIGHT? UM SO MAYBE JUST ADDING IN SOMETHING RIGHT TO THAT REQUIREMENT THAT INCLUDES MORE OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING. YEAH THERE'S ALWAYS A CAREFUL BALANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN. WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND REPLACING HISTORIC BUILDINGS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO HOMAGE. YES BUT YOU DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IT'S THE EXACT HISTORIC BUILDING. IF IT'S NOT A RESTORATION, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OF THIS TIME AND NOT NOT DIFFERENT BUILDING WE'RE DISCUSSING. HAS THREE. CLEARLY. DISTINCT BUILDINGS. MHM HIERARCHY BEYOND THE IMMEDIATE TRIBULATION. BUT IN EACH OF THE BUILDINGS COLUMN AND BEAMS. YES, BUT ALSO IN BUILDING MASSING. AND SOMETIMES CREATIVELY. WITHOUT BEING RIDICULOUS. YOU CAN DO THINGS. THING THAT HAPPENS SO FREQUENTLY IS THAT THE NEW BUILDINGS BECOME NOT JUST THREE BUILDINGS. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FIVE BUILDINGS. LONG SCALE IS DIFFERENT LOOK IS DIFFERENT, AND THE AESTHETIC IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. AND THERE'S NOT THE AWARENESS OR DESIRE. OR THE ABILITY TO SEE HOW THEY MAKE THAT COME OFF. I THINK THE POINTS ARE WELL MADE. IT'S INSPIRATIONAL THING, AND IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE ASPIRED NOT TO MAKE IT JUST LIKE IT LIKE IT'S ON CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY NEAR DALLAS. IT LOOKS LOOKS LIKE IT OUGHT TO BE SOMEWHERE HERE. YEAH AND I MEAN, APPRECIATE THEM USING THE RED BRICK, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BRAND NEW BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ARE RED BRICK, AND THEY DON'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN THERE. SO I MEAN, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT THAT'S HOW THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO COME OUT. I'M JUST JUST HAVING RED BRICK DOES NOT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A HISTORIC BUILDING. OR SOMETHING THAT WAS THERE BEFORE. UM AND I'M NOT TRYING TO. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE TOWARDS THIS INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M PART OF THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. AND THAT BUILDING DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING THAT WAS THERE BEFORE, EITHER. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF. YOU KNOW, NOT JUST AS A BOARD, BUT AS THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. WE WANT TO KEEP IT UNIQUE, AND IT'S A REALLY THAT'S THAT'S WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE TO THIS AREA AND JUST, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT. OR YOU'RE NOT SEEN THEIR LATEST I HAVE I HAVE YOU ON WHAT? WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IT'S THEY'RE THEY'RE TRYING TO RESPECT THE FLOW OF THAT BUILDING. SO I THINK THERE THERE WERE THEY WORKING TOWARDS THAT? THEY HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD AT WORKING WITH US AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, SO WHEN I TOLD KYLE THAT WASN'T WILD ABOUT THE IDEA OF TAKING DOWN THAT BUILDING BECAUSE HE WAS KIND OF LAMENTING THAT BECAUSE IT'S A LOT LIKE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE TO WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO. UM I SAID, WELL, I KIND OF DON'T WANT THE BUILDING TO COME DOWN EITHER. YEAH SO I THINK THEY I THINK THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU GUYS. REALLY HAVE THEY HAVE? YES, HMM. YEAH. GREAT. OKAY BUT
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BORA ASKED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. I WANTED TO THANK MARCIA FOR BEING HERE ARE ALTERNATE MEMBER. THANK YOU FOR BEING NOT. UH WE DID NOT NEED YOU TODAY, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE USED YOU AND I'M GLAD YOU WERE HERE. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. OH, GOOD. DOES SHE HAVE A CAR SPEAKER? CAR? YEAH. THE BORDER. YEAH.THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING AS WELL. ON THE 22ND OF FEBRUARY AT THE LIBRARY. WE ARE DOING A, UH ARE KIND OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE HOMAGE TO BLACK HISTORY MONTH AND WE ARE DOING A PRESENTATION ON UNDER TOLD STORIES. MARKERS FOR THE STATE. UM AND SOME OF THE UNDER TOLD STORIES OF THE BLACK HISTORY AND MCKINNEY. SO UM, SO THAT WILL BE ON THE 22ND. WILL YOU EMAIL THAT I WILL LOVE YOU. I WILL. YES I NEED YOUR WHAT'S THE ADDRESS IS AT 401 WEST IRWIN I R W I N E R THINGS ON THE CORNER OF IRWIN AND CHURCH.
OKAY? OKAY? DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? SOME MOVED BOARD MEMBER PANTS. YOU HAVE A SECOND I THINK IT, FIDEL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR. CAST YOUR VOTE. I OPPOSED. OKAY
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