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START AGAIN. THIS IS THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD, AND WE ARE CALLING THIS
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MEETING TO ORDER. IT IS 3:06 P.M. HERE AT 222 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET. WE'RE GOING TO FIRST HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. IN THE LAW. HELLO MY NAME IS LINDA LAW. I'M A RESIDENT OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS, AND I HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU'LL BE SEEING LATER TODAY. UH, IN THE PRESENTATION, IT IS NOTED THAT THEY ARE HOPEFUL THAT, UH, PERSONS WHO USE THE PROGRAM WILL CHOOSE TO SELECT LOCATIONS THAT ARE CLOSER RATHER THAN FURTHER AWAY AND ONE THING I WANTED TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION AND TO THE COMMITTEE'S ATTENTION IS THAT OFTEN MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IF THEY'RE DISABLED AND SEEKING MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AS TO WHERE THEY CAN GO. UM I RECENTLY SPOKE WITH THE UNITED HEALTHCARE REPRESENTATIVE WHO TOLD ME THAT MCKINNEY, THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, HAD A 20% DROP IN SERVICE PROVIDERS. AND I THINK THAT IF YOU PUT THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, YOU HAVE AN AGING POPULATION MORE SO THAN THE OTHER SISTER CITIES THAT ARE IN THE PROGRAM. UH, PLACES LIKE MELISSA SALINA PROSPER THEIR YOUNGER POPULATION, RIGHT? UM AND THEIR SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE NOT AS ESTABLISHED AS THE ONES WE HAVE HERE, SO THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO TAKE MEDICAID AND MEDICARE PATIENTS, WHEREAS MCKINNEY SERVICE PROVIDERS HAVE ESTABLISHED THEIR PRACTICE AND THEY'RE LESS LIKELY. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE FUTURE IS MORE OF THESE ELDERLY AND DISABLED AND LOWER INCOME PEOPLE GOING FURTHER OUT, SO TO PUT A CAP ON HOW FAR THEY CAN GO OR THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS THEY CAN MAKE EVERY YEAR IS GOING TO CAUSE STRAIN ON AN ALREADY STRAINED POPULATION. WHILE MANY REPRESENTATIVES MAY OR MANY PEOPLE MAY HAVE RECEIVED, UH, AN INCREASE IN THEIR COLA BENEFITS THAT ACTUALLY LED TO A DECREASE IN OTHER SERVICES, SUCH AS SNAP AND AN INCREASE IN THEIR MEDICAID OR MEDICARE CO-PAYS BECAUSE THEY NOW RECEIVE ADDITIONAL COLA FUNDS. SO IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY THAT HAVE BEEN HERE THAT WERE HERE FROM DAY ONE AND OUR ELDERLY YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT CHARGING THEM MORE BY GOING FURTHER OUT IS GONNA BE A STRAIN ON THEM. AND I THINK THAT'S NOT REALLY VERY FAIR. I THINK THAT OTHER CITIES THAT ARE YOUNGER THAT ARE HAVING THOSE PROVIDERS UM SERVE SHOULD MAYBE ABSORB SOME OF THAT COST, SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF ASKING THOSE OTHER MEMBER CITIES TO PAY THEIR SHARE AS SEE IN THE PROGRAM LATER TODAY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S FAIR TO EITHER CAP OR INCREASE BASED ON DISTANCE. I WISH I HAD A SOLUTION FOR YOU. GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. I ACTUALLY JUST REVIEWED IT THIS MORNING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM.[Minutes of the McKinney Urban Transit District (MUTD) Board Meeting of September 19, 2023]
24-1282 MINUTES OF THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 20 SEPTEMBER. 19TH 2023, MADAM CHAIR. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 19TH 2023. WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH COUNCILMAN CLOUDIER IN A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN FRANKLIN ALL IN FAVOR OPPOSED. PASSES NEXT ITEM IS 24-1283 PRESENTATION ON COLLIN COUNTY TRANSIT.[Presentation on Collin County Transit Programmatic Changes]
PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES. GOOD AFTERNOON. MD BOARD KIM FLAM, CURRENTLY SERVING AS INTERIM HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER TODAY, I WILL BE SPEAKING WITH RYAN MCCUTCHEON, WHO IS OUR D, A RT PROJECT MANAGER, BUT WE'RE JOINED WITH OUR WHOLE TEAM TODAY , INCLUDING WESLEY S FROM SPARE LABS AND A KIA PION AND JASMINE STILLWELL. THIS REALLY HAS BEEN A TEAM EFFORT. QUICK LOGISTICAL ITEM TO START. THERE ARE SOME TINY LITTLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PRESENTATION. I'LL SHOW YOU TODAY THAN WHAT WAS UPLOADED, NOTABLY THE ONE THAT WAS UP. BUT IT'S A 2023. IT'S 2024 WHO KNEW SO VERY SMALL, TINY CHANGES. NOTHING STOP SUBSTANTIVE, NOTHING THAT CHANGES CONTENT, BUT JUST SOME TWEAKS THAT WE FOUND ALONG THE WAY TO CLEAN IT UP. SO WITH THAT, LET'S GET STARTED. UM, WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY AND LET'S START WITH TURNING ON THE POINTER. LET'S START WITH THE PROGRAM GOAL AND WE ARE DEEPLY COMMITTED TO MEETING THE TRANSIT NEEDS OF OUR MEMBER CITIES, OUR ELDERLY, DISABLED OUR LOW INCOME AND WE WANT TO DO THAT IN A FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE MANNER. UM, WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY IN 2020. WE RECEIVED $8.8 MILLION OF CARES, ACT MONEY THAT ALLOWED US TO GROW OUR PROGRAM VERY QUICKLY,[00:05:06]
AND THE RESPONSE TO THAT GROWTH HAS BEEN FANTASTIC, HOWEVER, CARES. ACT FUNDING IS A ONE TIME SOURCE. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT AT SOME POINT IT WILL RUN OUT.ADDITIONALLY OUR PROGRAM IS GROWING REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GET US TO A PATH OF FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY. COUPLE OF TAKEAWAYS FOR TODAY. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR SOME TIME . WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AT BOARD MEETINGS. WE HAVE HAD SMALL GROUP MEETINGS. YOU ALL KNOW IT IS COMPLICATED. THE WAY THESE PROGRAMS ARE COMPLICATED. UM WE ARE EXCITED TODAY THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE FEEL IS A PRETTY GOOD SOLUTION AND THEN WE HAVE OPTIONS FOR THAT, DEPENDING ON BOARD DIRECTION. SO WE ARE. WE'RE GOING TO RECAP KIND OF WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE ARE. TODAY WE ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THE STORY OF HOW WE CAME TO OUR RECOMMENDATION AND WE'RE GOING TO SHARE A RECOMMENDATION. WE'LL CERTAINLY OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS. SOME TAKEAWAYS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW. AND BASED ON THE DATA TODAY, WE NEED BOTH PROGRAM CHANGES AND LOCAL FUNDING TO ACHIEVE OUR PROGRAM. GOAL TIME IS OF THE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE . WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING SOON, BUT CHANGES CAN BE INCREMENTAL.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE NEED TO MAKE MASSIVE CHANGES TO THIS PROGRAM OR MASSIVE CHANGES THAT INCREASE THE FUNDING FROM OUR MEMBER COMMUNITIES AT THIS TIME, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE PROCESS STARTED SO THAT WE CAN ABSORB THE CHANGES, PARTICULARLY ON THE FUNDING SIDE OVER TIME.
WE NEED YOUR DIRECTION TO SET THESE POLICY PROVISIONS FOR US AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED A PROPOSAL FOR CONSIDERATION. I CAN EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THE AMOUNT OF DATA THAT WE HAVE AT HAND WORKING WITH DART AND SPARE LABS. THAT'S REALLY INCREDIBLE. SO QUICK RECAP ON THE PROGRAM FUNDING. THERE ARE FOUR BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT MAKE MUTD SERVICE WORK. THE FIRST ARE FEDERAL FUNDS. WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE, UM WE ARE NOT AT ANY RISK OF RUNNING OUT OF FEDERAL FUNDS.
THESE ARE FUNDS WITH STRENGTH FOR EVERY DOLLAR WE USE OF THIS MONEY. WE HAVE TO MATCH IT WITH EITHER SOMETHING FROM OUR LOCAL BUCKET OR SOMETHING FROM OUR TECH DOT BUCKET. WE HAVE OUR TECH DEBT FUNDS THAT IS GENERALLY BEEN A PRETTY STABLE SOURCE OVER TIME. IT MIGHT CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT WE DO USE THAT FOR OUR ADMIN, AND WE ALSO USE THAT TO PULL ANY OF THAT PHOTO FEDERAL MONEY OVER THAT WE CAN OUR LOCAL MONEY BEFORE THE CARES. ACT MONEY. UM WE WERE LEANING ON OUR LOCAL MONEY. NOW WE HAD A MUCH SMALLER PROGRAM SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO RELY ON IT TOO MUCH. BUT LOCAL FUNDING HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE HAVE A FORMULA FOR, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN UTILIZING AND THEN CARES ACT WHICH HAS BEEN A GREAT BOOM TO OUR PROGRAM , BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON AND THAT GETS US TO WHY WE'RE HERE. OUR TEXT.
THAT MONEY IS PROBABLY GOING TO GO DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING THE CENSUS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS MOVING US INTO THE FRISCO URBANIZED AREA, AND THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE OUR TECH SET FUNDING IT POSSIBLY COULD GO DOWN BY HALF. JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ITS VARIABLE. WE'RE GOING TO MONITOR THESE CHANGES, BUT THAT WE WANT TO TAKE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE APPROACH. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET, THE CARES. ACT MONEY IS LIMITED. WE STARTED WITH $8.8 MILLION AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO BE AT 5.9. UM AND IT'S BEEN A BIGGER PART OF OUR BUDGET. AS OUR PROGRAM HAS GROWN. KIM, I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT WE SERVE WITH 8.8. AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE'LL BE AT FIVE POINT ANTICIPATING WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE TO RUN THE PROGRAM THIS YEAR WHEN WE KICK OFF OUR NEXT OPERATING CYCLE WILL BE AT 5.9 MILLION. YEAH, WHEN DOES THAT START? IT IS FALL. JANUARY THIS IS THE OTHER REASON THIS IS COMPLICATED. WE HAVE BUCKETS OF MONEY WITH DIFFERENT FISCAL YEARS, DIFFERENT FISCAL YEARS AND OPERATING PROGRAMS. SO TRUST ME WHEN I SAY IT IS COMPLICATED, BUT ALSO TRUST ME WHEN I SAY WE'VE GOT A GREAT TEAM OF FOLKS THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND ARE ARE ARE WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE MAZE AND THEN END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. WE WILL BE 5.9. AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. ASSUMING. ASSUMING ALL MOVES FORWARD THIS IS, YOU KNOW. WE SET BUDGETS, BUT THE RIDERSHIP DETERMINES ACTUAL RIGHT AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO THE BUDGET. LIKE SOMETIMES WE EVEN GET LITTLE ONE TIME CASH INFUSIONS LIKE WE DID FROM COG A FEW MONTHS AGO. SO THAT IS INCLUSIVE OF THE PROGRAM CHANGES THAT ARE HERE. OR. THE NOW THE 5.9 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROGRAM CHANGES. THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE AT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. YEP. OUR PROGRAM IS GROWING VERY QUICKLY WHEN WE SHIFTED SERVICE TO D, A RT. THEIR MODELS ESTIMATED THAT IN YEAR TWO, WE WOULD BE AT AROUND 30,000 BOARDINGS ANNUALLY . WE'RE ACTUALLY AROUND 60,000 BOARDINGS ANNUAL. THAT IS NOT A BAD THING. WE'RE PROVIDING GREAT SERVICE. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING IT IN A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE MANNER, AND WE THINK WE CAN GET THERE. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE BUDGET ANOTHER
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WAY. THIS IS TODAY'S BUDGET FISCAL YEAR 24 AND WE ARE SEEING HERE. THE PIE CHART REPRESENTS THE FOUR BUCKETS I JUST TALKED ABOUT, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CARES ACT DOLLAR. IT TAKES UP A BIG CHUNK OF IT. 65% THAT'S WONDERFUL, BUT LEANING ON THAT AS A ONE TIME FUNDING SOURCE LONG TERM, IT MEANS WE ARE GOING TO RUN OUT, AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE A SOFT LANDING AND RUN OUT VERSUS FALLING OFF A CLIFF. THIS LOOKS AT THE PROGRAM BUDGET IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. WE HAVE ANTICIPATED OPERATING COSTS OF 2.3 MILLION. THIS IS THE SLIDE WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW OUR TAX DEBT MONEY AND OUR CITY OF MCKINNEY THIS YEAR WE DO HAVE SOME CITY OF MCKINNEY MONEY GOING IN HELPS PULL DOWN THAT FT A DOLLAR SO BECAUSE WE HAVE $405,000 OF LOCAL WE CAN TAKE $405,000 OF THE FEDERAL AND WE FEEL THE BALANCE OUT WITH FTA CARES. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. AS MENTIONED BEFORE TO BE FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE. WE THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE THREE THINGS. WE THINK IT IS GOING TO TAKE COST SAVINGS. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, REGARDLESS JUST TO BE RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS OF THE PROGRAM, IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME LEVEL OF PROGRAM CHANGES, BUT IT IS ALSO GOING TO TAKE FUNDING CHANGES. WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS GONNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE BUCKETS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE PULLED TOGETHER. SO LET'S START WITH COST SAVINGS. THERE ARE THINGS WE'VE DONE ALREADY, FLEA PRIORITIZATION UPDATES AND OUR GO PASS WORKSHOPS THAT ARE, UM EDUCATING, INFORMING PEOPLE ON HOW TO USE GO PASS. WE'VE SAVED UPWARDS OF $25,000 A MONTH ALREADY, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEEK WAYS TO OPERATE THIS PROGRAM EFFICIENTLY AND TO SAVE MONEY. THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON AND WE'LL EXPLORE THIS YEAR. IT INCLUDES RECERTIFICATION FOR RIDERS CHECKING IN ON THEM EVERY THREE YEARS TO MAKE SURE THEY STILL QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM. IT ALSO INCLUDES EXPLORING MOVING OUR OWN. WE OWN SOME VEHICLES ON THE MUTD MOVING THAT TO FULLY CONTRACTED OWNING VEHICLES HAS BEEN GOOD FOR US BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO SOMETIMES USE FUNDING THAT CAN'T BE USED FOR OPERATIONS. BUT IT ALSO COMES WITH SOME BURDENS AS RELATED TO INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS. AND IT MEANS THAT THE COST OF OPERATING VEHICLES THAT WE OWN IS QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN IF WE HIRE A CONTRACTOR OR USE A CONTRACTOR TO OPERATE VEHICLES THEY OWN TO BE CLEAR. WE ACTUALLY SORT OF HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SERVICE PROVIDERS. WE HAVE LYFT. WE HAVE , UM, WE HAVE A PROGRAM AND WE HAVE A PROVIDER THAT USES VEHICLES WE OWN. AND THEN WE HAVE A PROVIDER THAT DOES USE THEIR OWN VEHICLES, SO WE USE ALL THE PROVIDERS TO PROVIDE IN THOSE COMPREHENSIVE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE CAN, BUT WE THINK THERE'S SOME COST SAVINGS IN THERE. WE ALSO WANNA DEVELOP A CANCELLATION POLICY. UM WE ARE VERY BLESSED TO SERVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THERE CAN BE EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR. WE WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP A POLICY THAT ALLOWS US TO ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE USUALLY THE EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR IS THE BEHAVIOR THAT IS MOST COSTLY TO THE PROGRAM. AND THEN FINALLY, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT POOLING ALL TRIPS. WE ALREADY DO THIS FOR OUR DEDICATED FLEET. MEANING UM, A VEHICLE. IF SOME IF TWO PEOPLE ARE GOING GENERALLY TO THE SAME PLACE THEY CAN RIDE TOGETHER. UM LIFT RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY NOT DOING THAT.BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO IMPLEMENT THAT, AND IF IT DOES NOT WORK OUT, WE EVEN HAVE A PLAN B MORE COST SAVINGS FOR THE PROGRAM. THAT'S THE COST SAVINGS BUCKET. LET'S GO INTO THE PROGRAM CHANGES. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. IN OUR SMALL GROUP MEETINGS WITH YOU. YOU GAVE GREAT GUIDANCE AND IDEAS. THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT FOR COST SAVINGS AS WE WORK THROUGH THEM. INTERNALLY. WE LOOKED AT THINGS IMPACT TO RIDERSHIP. POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS BUT ALSO ADMINISTRATIVELY. HOW HARD IS THIS TO DO RIGHT BECAUSE SOME ARE EASIER TO IMPLEMENT THAN OTHERS. TWO OPTIONS ROSE TO THE TOP FOR OUR TEAM, AND THEY INCLUDE FAIR BASE DISTANCE CAP AND TRIP CAPS. SO OUR APPROACH DEFINE IT. LOOK AT OUR CURRENT DATA TO SEE WHERE WE SIT TODAY, EVALUATE THE ALTERNATIVES AND THEN SET POTENTIAL TARGETS. FAIR BASED DISTANCE CAP MEANS MOVING FROM A FLAT FARE INTO SOMETHING WHERE YOU PAY A FLAT FARE FOR A CERTAIN DISTANCE. AND IF YOU GO ABOVE THAT DISTANCE YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR THOSE EXTRA MILES. TRIP CAMP SIMPLY MEANS CAPPING TRIPS PER MONTH. RYAN IS GOING TO GO INTO A LOT MORE DETAILS ON ALL OF THESE, BUT WE EVALUATED THAT DATA. WE LOOKED AT THE ALTERNATIVES AND WE SET TARGETS WITH THAT. I AM GOING TO HAVE RYAN COME UP AND GO INTO THE DETAIL OF BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS.
AND THEN I WILL BE BACK. SO STAY TUNED. GOOD AFTERNOON. RYAN MCCUTCHEON, PROJECT MANAGER AT D, A RT. IT'S A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. SO TODAY I WILL BE DISCUSSING IN GREATER DETAIL ARE THE TWO DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE. THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASED ON A CAREFUL REVIEW OF THE DATA AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RAPID GROWTH OF THIS
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PROGRAM IS CAUSING US TO ASK SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS ON HOW TO KEEP THIS PROGRAM ON A SUSTAINABLE PATH GOING FORWARD. WE HAVE DEVELOPED TWO RECOMMENDATIONS. UM AND WE SEEK YOUR GUIDANCE ON HOW TO PROCEED. SO AS KIM MENTIONED, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS A FAIR BASED DISTANCE CAP. AND SO THE FIRST IMAGE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO SOME EXPLANATION IS THE ONE ON THE LEFT LABELED 2020 23 RIDERSHIP, HEAT MAP MCKINNEY AND SURROUNDING AREA AND SO THIS IS JUST REALLY SORT OF DIVING DEEP INTO THE DATA THAT WE HAVE. AND SO THIS IS AN ANNUALIZED YEAR OF A HEAT MAP SHOWING WHERE WE HAVE ATTRACTIONS. WHAT WE CAN SEE VERY CLEARLY IS A CORRIDOR THAT HAS DEVELOPED IN THE MCKINNEY AREA. SO ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CORRIDOR, THAT WOULD BE WEST UNIVERSITY. ON THE EAST SIDE. IT WOULD BE CENTRAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE. IT WOULD BE THE SAME RAYBURN TOLLWAY AND THEN ON THE WEST SIDE, IT WOULD BE LAKE SHORE DRIVE AND THEN YOU'LL SEE SOME OTHER ATTRACTIONS IN THE REGION, MOST NOTABLY IN PROSPER. AND IN PRINCETON, WHERE YOU ā SEE BOTH WALMART LOCATIONS, AND THEY DRAW A LOT OF RIDERSHIP FOR PEOPLE EITHER GOING TO WORK OR ALSO GOING THERE TO PURCHASE GROCERIES OR GO TO THE PHARMACY. LOOKING DOWN IN PLANO, THE TWO LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT SEE, A LOT OF RIDERSHIP IS MY POSSIBILITIES, WHICH IS A COGNITIVELY DISABLED. UH T, UH, SCHOOL. UM AND THEN WE ALSO SEE RIDERSHIP ATTRACTED AT THE PLANO PARK AND OR THE UH, PARKER ROAD STATION, WHERE THE DART ORANGE AND RED LINES OPERATE. SO NEXT. I WANT TO LOOK AT THE SLIDE ON THE RIGHT JUST LOOKING AT MCKINNEY BECAUSE WHAT WE SEE AT THE INTERSECTION OF WEST UNIVERSITY DRIVE IN CENTRAL IS THAT WE HAVE A WALMART THERE, AND WE ALSO HAVE THREE DIALYSIS CLINICS AND DIALYSIS IS ONE OF OUR MAJORS. UH, ATTRACTIONS, I THINK, UM, IN OUR SERVICE, ANOTHER, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SORT OF IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE HAND OF A CLOCK AND LOOKING AT TWO O'CLOCK WHERE WE HAVE THAT YELLOW DOT THAT IS THE SAMARITAN IN IS AN HOUSE SHELTER, AND THAT PROBABLY IS THE LARGEST, UM, ATTRACTION THAT PROVIDES RIDERSHIP, UM AND MEETING THE NEEDS AND WE HAVE A VERY SPECIAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THOSE AT THE SAMARITAN IN, UM, TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE. IF YOU LOOK FURTHER DOWN SOUTH, UH, WE HAVE THE SENIORS MCKINNEY SENIOR RECREATION CENTER. FURTHER SOUTH OF THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER. WE HAVE THE, UM SEE. THE MEDICAL CITY MCKINNEY AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE GRAND TEXAN, GRAND RESERVE AND COUNTRY LANE SENIOR FACILITIES LIVING FACILITIES IN THAT REGION . IF HE GOES DIRECTLY WEST IN THE SOUTHWESTER QUADRANT, UM, THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE ANOTHER WALMART AND THEN JUST NORTH OF THAT IS A MARKET STREET AND THEN IN THE UPPER NORTHWEST QUADRANT, THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THE BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE, UH, FACILITY AND ALSO TWO DI AS CLINICS YOU CAN SEE THESE AREAS ARE PROBABLY THE MOST LARGEST ATTRACTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR RIDERSHIP. AND WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING THIS MODEL, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT MILEAGE BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ANY ADDITIONAL BURDEN THAT IS PLACED ON OUR CUSTOMERS. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE FAIR BASED DISTANCE CAP, WE LOOKED AT THE AVERAGE TRIP DISTANCE FOR 2023, AND WHAT WE SAW WAS THE AVERAGE DISTANCE TAKEN BY OUR CUSTOMERS WAS 7.2 MILES, AND THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED ON THE SEVEN MILE MARK TO SAY WE WOULD INITIATE A BASE FARE FOR THOSE TRAVELING SEVEN MILES, AND THEN INCREMENTALLY, UH, GROW THE FAIR BASED ON HOW FAR PEOPLE ACTUALLY TRAVEL, SO I'LL GET INTO THAT HERE IN JUST THE NEXT COUPLE OF MINUTES. BUT WE DEVELOPED THIS SLIDE ON TO BASICALLY SHOW WHAT THE AVERAGE FARE WOULD BE. UH DIAGRAMMED IN THE RED LINE. AND IN THE BLUE LINE, UH, COINCIDES WITH THE RED LINE, AND IT BASICALLY TELLS US WHAT THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THE BASE FARES, AND SO WE LOOKED AT, UH, BASE FARE OF $3.05 DOLLARS AND $7, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION IS THE CURRENT FARE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE. SO WE HAVE TWO FARES. THEY ARE FLAT FARES. AND SO IF YOU'RE TRAVELING IN THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT CITIES MCKINNEY, MELISSA PRINCETON PROSPER SALAR LOWRY CROSSING. IT WOULD COST $3.15 FOR THAT ONE WAY TRIP. IF YOU'RE TRAVELING ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF THOSE MUTD CORE CITIES, BUT STILL WITHIN COLLIN COUNTY, IT WOULD COST $5.25. SO WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED AND WHAT WE, UM[00:20:04]
WE WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT IS THE $5 BASE. UM BECAUSE WHAT WE, UH ANTICIPATE IS, UH, AN ANNUAL OF ABOUT $230,000 IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THE BASE FARE FROM $3.15, OR $5.25 TO JUST A $5 FARE, AND THEN EVERY THREE MILES AFTER THE SEVEN MILES, SO THE NEXT BREAK POINT WOULD BE A 10 MILE TRIP AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD PAY, UH, WOULD PAY $7 IN FARE AND IT JUST RATCHETS IT UP EVERY THREE MILES FOR AN INCREASE OF $2. AND SO OUR TOP BASE FAIR UNDER THE $5 BASE FARE MODEL WOULD BE $17. AND SO THAT'S FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE TRAVELING 23 MILES OR MORE. NOW I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME METRICS JUST TO SORT OF PUT THIS IN A FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR YOU.WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT THE MONTH OF DECEMBER AND WE WANTED TO SEE HOW HOW FAR PEOPLE WERE TRAVELING. AND WHAT WE DETERMINED WAS THAT 70 74% SO NEARLY THREE QUARTERS OF OUR RIDERSHIP MADE TRIPS LESS THAN 10 MILES. SO THE AGAIN. THE MAJORITY OF OUR WRITERS, UM WOULD BE, UH, WITHIN THAT $5 BASE OR AT THE $10.10 MILE MARK. THEN THEY'D BE PAYING $7. AND THEN IF WE EXPAND THAT OUT, 90% OF, UH, ALL TRIPS IN DECEMBER WERE 16 MILES OR LESS. AND SO THAT WOULD BE AT THE TOP LINE FARE OF $11. SO NEXT, UH, WANNA BRIEFLY TOUCH ON TRIP CAPPING.
AND SO THIS IS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE, AND SO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF TRIPS PEOPLE TOOK, UH, IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, AND SO THE AVERAGE COLLIN COUNTY TRANSIT RIDER TOOK 15 TRIPS PER MONTH AND WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THIS 24 NUMBER WAS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT DIALYSIS PATIENTS NEED TO MAKE ON A MONTHLY BASIS GOING TO THEIR APPOINTMENT AND ALSO GOING BACK HOME BECAUSE AGAIN A LARGE PORTION OF OUR POPULATION. OUR RIDERSHIP IS DIALYSIS PATIENTS AND WHAT YOU SAID STRIKES ME AS CORRECT BUT ON THE SLIDE, IT SAYS 24 TRIPS PER WEEK. THAT SHOULD BE PER MONTH. IS THAT CORRECT? YES IT SHOULD BE 24 TRIPS PER MONTH. YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. SEE A TRIP IS ONE TRIP IS GOING THERE. SECOND TRIP IS COMING BACK, SO EVERY TRIP IS SEGMENTED, AND IT'S UH, WE DON'T WANNA CONSIDER A ROUND TRIP.
RIGHT SO THIS EXACTLY SO THE BASICALLY A PERSON WHO GOES TO DIALYSIS THEY TYPICALLY GO THREE DAYS A WEEK, SO THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY, UM SIX TRIPS PER WEEK AND THEN MULTIPLY THAT BY FOUR AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE 24. AND SO WHAT? WE ARE ESTIMATING IF THIS WAS TO BE INSTITUTED IS AN ANNUAL COST SAVINGS OF SOMEWHERE. BETWEEN 165,200. NOW I WANT TO PUT IT IN A FRAME OF REFERENCE WITH SOME WRITERS THAT ACTUALLY DO USE OUR SERVICE JUST TO ILLUSTRATE IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT EITHER ONE OF THE FAIR BASE DISTANCE CAP OR THE TRIP CAP. SO THIS IS A, UH, AN EXAMPLE. UM WHERE WE HAVE A WRITER WHO, UH, GOES FROM FOUNDERS CLASSICAL ACADEMY OF FRISCO TO ALTRUISTIC IN PLANO. NOW WHAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT BEFORE WE REALLY DIVE INTO THIS IS THAT THIS TRIP IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF THE MD CORE. IT IS GOING FROM FRISCO TO ACTUALLY PLANO. BUT THE REASON WHY I CHOSE THIS EXAMPLE IS THE DISTANCE AND THE FREQUENCY AT WHICH THEY MAKE THIS TRIP ON A WEEKLY BASIS. SO THIS INDIVIDUAL USES OUR SERVICE THREE DAYS A WEEK AND SO AGAIN, GOING FROM FOUNDERS TO ALTRUISTIC IN THE MORNING AND THEN IN THE AFTERNOON, THEY'RE GOING FROM ALTRUISTIC BACK TO FOUNDERS CLASSICAL ACADEMY AND SO UNDER THE FAIR BASED DISTANCE CAP OPTION. THE WRITER FAIR WOULD INCREASE FROM $5.25 PER TRIP TO $11 PER TRIP. NOW UNDER THE TRIP CAP OPTION. THEY WOULD NOT EXCEED THE 24 TRIPS PER MONTH.
THEY WOULD BE RIGHT THERE AT THE 24 TRIPS SO THEY WOULD NOT SEE ANY, UM, CHANGE IN THE ACTUAL AFFAIRS COLLECTED FOR THE SERVICE. NEXT I WANT TO PROVIDE YOU A DIFFERENT EXAMPLE. AND SO THIS IS AN, UH, A PASSENGER WHO TRAVELS WITH THEIR CHILD. AND SO THEY, UH, LIVE, UH, IN MCKINNEY, AND THEN THEY TRAVEL, UH, TO SCHOOL TO DROP OFF THEIR KID AT THE COCKEREL, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND THEN THEY GO FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO WORK EVERY DAY. AND SO UNDER THIS, UH UNDER WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE, THE AVERAGE TRIP DISTANCE OF EACH ONE OF THESE SEGMENTED TRIPS IS FOUR POINT.
MILES SO THESE THREE TRIPS WOULD FALL UNDERNEATH THE SEVEN MILE CATEGORY SO THEY WOULD NOT SEE
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WELL, THEY WOULD SEE A SLIGHT INCREASE, BECAUSE, UH, WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING IS TO TAKE THE FARE FROM $3.15 TO $5 UNDER THIS FARE CAPPED OPTION, AND THEN IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE TRIP CAP OPTION, THE WRITER WOULD BASICALLY HIT THEIR 24 TRIPS AND PROBABLY THE FIRST WEEK OF SERVICE EACH MONTH SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE SERVICE UNTIL THE FIRST OF THE NEXT MONTH, SO YOU CAN SEE SORT OF HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT. UM, UH, PERCENTAGE OF OUR RIDERSHIP. SO NOW I AM GOING TO TURN THE TURN BACK OVER TO ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE WRITERS ARE UTILIZING IT MORE THAN 24 TIMES A MONTH. SEE. SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM LET'S SAY OCTOBER IN OCTOBER, IS A GOOD MONTH TO USE AS A BENCHMARK BECAUSE THERE ARE NO HOLIDAYS IN OCTOBER THAT IN THAT MONTH 24% OF OUR RIDERSHIP WOULD HAVE EXCEEDED THE 24 TRIPS. UM IN NOVEMBER. IT WAS 22% IN DECEMBER . IT WAS 20% AND IN JANUARY, IT WAS 19% SO THAT NUMBER HAS SLOWLY BEEN RECEDING. BUT AGAIN THE HOLIDAY MONTHS UM THERE MIGHT BE LESS TRIPS TAKEN SIMPLY. BECAUSE SCHOOL IS IN SESSION OR THEY MIGHT BE TRAVELING AND THEY'RE NOT HERE SO THEY DON'T NEED THE SERVICE IN A REGULAR MONTH. IT WOULD BE ABOUT A QUARTER OF OUR RIDERSHIP THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED YOUR RIDERSHIP. HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE GOING? DO WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING? ARE THEY GOING TO A DOCTOR AND THEN TO THE STORE OR THEY'RE GOING TO WORK MOSTLY, OR ARE THESE MORE LEISURE TRAVELERS ? BUT WHERE ARE WE? SO WHAT I CAN TELL YOU WITH THAT, AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. A W UP WITH A MORE DETAILED RESPONSE AND A MEMO IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE DID LOOK AT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR DEDICATED FLEET AND THEN THE LIFT FLEET AND SO WITH THE DEDICATED FLEET THAT IS MORE OF THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBILITY NEEDS BASED POPULATION. SO OF THAT POPULATION, 5% WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT, WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE WHO USE OUR SERVICE FOR THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES 90 5% OF THEM WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE CAP. BUT 5% WOULD AND THEN AND LIFT. IT WAS A MUCH HIGHER NUMBER. I THINK IT WAS. LET'S SEE. WELL, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN GET IT TO YOU. SO ALL RIGHT. THAT'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHAT WAS THE LONGEST TRIP IN ANY ONE OF THOSE MONTHS? AND IS THERE A CAP ON HOW FAR YOU CAN TRAVEL FROM? SO THERE IS NO CAP. OUR SERVICE AREA IS COLLIN COUNTY, WHICH IS ALMOST 900 SQUARE MILES. SO ANYBODY SO LONG AS THEY ARE RESIDENT OF ONE OF THE MUTD CORE CITIES, THEY CAN USE THE SERVICE TO GO ANYWHERE IN COLLIN COUNTY AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE EXPLORED IS SETTING UP AD, AN ADDITIONAL SERVICE OF JUST IN THE MCKINNEY CORRIDOR.IF YOU RECALL BACK TO THIS SLIDE , UM RIGHT HERE, COULD WE CREATE ON DEMAND SERVICE JUST WITHIN THE MCKINNEY AREA WITH MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE, WHICH WOULD HELP WITH POOLING AND HELP DRIVE DOWN COSTS. BUT CURRENTLY, UM WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE RIDERSHIP IS QUITE THERE YET TO HAVE ONE OF THAT, UM, ON DEMAND SERVICE JUST WITHIN A SMALLER AREA. IN TERMS OF THE LONGEST TRIP DISTANCE. I DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT I CAN GET BACK TO MY COMPUTER, AND I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT IT'S WITHIN COLLIN COUNTY. NOW I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE DISTANCE ACROSS COLLIN COUNTY. I'M NOT SURE THAT ANYBODY HAS THAT. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU FOR THE LIKE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TRIPS SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN RECENTLY WE HAD ONE WRITER WHO TOOK 100 AND 36 TRIPS WITHIN ONE OF ONE MONTH TIME PERIOD. AND SO THAT PERSON IS USING THE SERVICE QUITE A BIT AND RECEIVING THE BENEFIT. THEY ARE PAYING THE FARE, BUT THEY ARE GREATLY RECEIVING A BENEFIT OF TRANSPORTATION WITH A LOT OF TRIPS WITHIN A ONE MONTH SERVICE . THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER TO YOUR QUESTION. THE LONGEST TRIP IS 35 MILES. THANK YOU. RYAN. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE GRAPH THAT SHOWS THAT ONE SO. I GUESS.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE. $3 BASE. IS POTENTIAL SAVINGS OF 100,000. THAT IS CORRECT. AND AN AVERAGE FARE OF $6 OR JUST UNDER $6. WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THERE. WELL SO WHAT
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YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE. THE RED AND THE BLUE LINES COINCIDE WITH ONE ANOTHER, SO THE BLUE LINE REPRESENTS THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS BASED ON THE AVERAGE FARE AND SO AS THAT AVERAGE FARE INCREASES, SO DOES THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS WITH THE SERVICE, AND THE AVERAGE FARE BASICALLY EQUATES TO ABOUT HOW MUCH PEOPLE WOULD BE PAYING, UM, ON THEIR TRIP NOW, ANOTHER THING THAT WE DID ALSO EXPLORE THE IDEA OF IS ADDING A SERVICE CHARGE. AN ADDITIONAL $2 FOR TRIPS GOING OUTSIDE OF THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT CITIES SO AGAIN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVERS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY EMPLOY TO BASICALLY HAVE A GREATER COST SAVINGS, UM AND AGAIN PROVIDE A MORE SUSTAINABLE FUTURE FOR THIS PROGRAM. SO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER WITH. SEVEN MILE TRIP AT A BASE PRICE AND THEN ADDING ADDITIONAL COSTS WITH EVERY THREE MILES OVER THAT. WHERE DOES THAT IS THAT IN HERE AS FAR AS THE AVERAGE FARE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING SO, YES. UH UH, BASICALLY THE AVERAGE FARE AS A RIDERSHIP INCREASES IT WOULD GO TO $10. NOW WHAT I WOULD SAY IS OUR HIGHEST MARKER WOULD BE 23 MILES. AND SO IN THAT SCENARIO, SOMEBODY WOULD BE PAYING A FARE OF $17. SO THAT'S THE HIGHEST WE WOULD GO IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR, UM BASE FARE WOULD BE OR THE BASE FARE BASED ON THE MILEAGE. IS THERE AND WE CAN ADD IT ON A ADDITIONAL MILES TAKEN AND YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD ALSO ADD IT ON A TRIP OUTSIDE OF A NON MUTD MARKET, SO WE HAVE GOT THE ABILITY TO SAY IF YOU'RE WITHIN THE MUTD AREA. YOU COULD KEEP THE BASE FARE AT, SAY $5. BUT IF YOU GO OUT OF IT OR YOU GO OVER SEVEN MILES YOU START ADDING COST TO IT. YES I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE CAVEAT, THOUGH, IF SOMEBODY IS TRAVELING FROM PROSPER TO PRINCETON THAT MOST LIKELY WILL BE. IT WILL BE IN THE MUTD CORE CITIES, BUT IT WILL MOST LIKELY BE GREATER THAN SEVEN MILES. SO IN THAT SCENARIO , THAT WRITER WOULD PAY AN ELEVATED BASE FARE. BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU, YOU CAN APPLY BOTH LEVERS INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER. UM AND, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF THE BASE PRICE THAT YOU SET WE COULD, YES. AND FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE DIFFERENT QUALIFYING GROUPS, WHETHER IT BE SENIOR, DISABLED OR LOW INCOME, SO LONG AS YOU HAVE EACH GROUP AN OFFERING FOR EACH GROUP. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME. LEVER APPLIED TO THEM. YOU CAN'T APPLY A DIFFERENT LEVER FOR LOW INCOME THAT YOU APPLY TO SENIOR. I'VE GOT THREE PEOPLE IN MY PERIPHERAL THAT ARE SHAKING THEIR HEAD. YES. SO I ASSUME THAT'S A YES BUT YES. SO IS THERE A WAY TO. SORT OF STRATIFIED PAYMENT BASED ON WHERE THEY ARE GOING. SO IS. LIKE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT FARES, WE CAN'T DICTATE. FEAR FOR SOMEONE GOING TO A DOCTOR VERSUS SOMEONE GOING TO GROCERY STORE, FOR INSTANCE.AM NOT GOING TO SAY IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL, UM CHARGE FROM SPARE LABS TO DEVELOP THAT PROGRAM.
CURRENTLY THE FAIR BASE DISTANCE CAP IS A MODEL THAT SPARE LABS HAS ALREADY EMPLOYED. SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE OFF THE SHELF AND PLUG IT IN AND IT'S READY TO GO ON DAY ONE.
SHOULD WE NEED IT? I PROBABLY NOT DAY ONE. WE WOULD WANT TO DO SOME TESTING, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY MUCH AVAILABLE IN THE TRIP. C, UM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT RECOMMENDATION THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SPARE LABS WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP FOR THEIR PROGRAM, SO THERE WOULD BE SOME COST ASSOCIATE. WITH IT AGAIN. WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT.
MOST LIKELY, UM ON OUR POTENTIAL SAVINGS AND PROBABLY EAT INTO IT . SO THEN YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS A CONTINGENCY THAT COULD QUICKLY BE DIMINISHED FOR THE NEXT OPTION HERE. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD TRANSITIONAL QUESTION TO OUR NEXT OUR NEXT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU, RYAN. SO. AND YES TO YOUR POINT, DOCTOR FELTUS. THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN DO AND THE TEAM EXPLORED MANY OF THEM AND WE HONED IN ON THESE TWO BASED ON COST SAVINGS IMPACT TO RIDERSHIP AND THEN OUR ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT. SO LET US
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TAKE A LOOK AT THEM BOTH. AND TO BE CLEAR AND TO START. WE DON'T NEED BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER. WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE NEED BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER SO FAIR BASED DISTANCE CAP FOR THE RIDER. THIS IS A MORE COMPLICATED CHANGE TO UNDERSTAND THAN JUST TO TRIP CAP. UM RIGHT NOW YOU PAY A FLAT FEE. IF I'M IN THE MEMBER CITIES, YOU KNOW, IT'S THREE BUCKS. AND IF I'M OUTSIDE, IT'S FIVE SOMETHING RIGHT. IT'S FLAT FAIR. NO MATTER HOW FAR I GO, I GO AS MANY TIMES PER MONTH AS I WANT. I AM INTRODUCING THE VARIABLE RATE. THAT'S A CHANGE. SO WE KNOW THAT MOST OF OUR RIDERS ARE IN THAT SEVEN MILE AREA AND WOULD PROBABLY HIT THAT JUST THAT $5 FARE SO FOR MOST OF THEM, IT WOULD STILL FEEL FLAT FAIR. BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING LONGER, IT IS VARIABLE, AND YOU'RE PAYING A LITTLE IT IS A CHANGE. THEY ARE BOTH CHANGES AND THOSE ARE HARD. UM WE DO NOW RIDERS COULD CHOOSE DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR BEHAVIOR IS. THEY MIGHT ADJUST THAT BEHAVIOR IF THEY'RE GOING TO A FAVORITE GROCERY STORE, BUT AT 11 MILES AWAY, AND THERE'S A GROCERY STORE THAT'S SEVEN MILES AWAY, THEY COULD POSSIBLY ADJUST THEIR BEHAVIOR. NOT GUARANTEED, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE. AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE. AS RYAN SAID WITH SPARE LABS TODAY, THIS IS OUR EASIEST IMPLEMENTATION OPTION. IT IS SOFTWARE THEY ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. IT'S FLIPPING THE SWITCH. THAT'S THE EASY PART. THE HARD PART IS COMMUNICATING WITH OUR WRITERS AND MAKING SURE THEY ARE READY FOR THE CHANGE AND THEY KNOW THAT IT'S COMING AND THEY'RE PREPARED. AND THE BUDGET SIDE. THERE ARE SOME HIGHER POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS WITH THIS OPTION, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LEVERS THAT, UM RYAN JUST TALKED TO YOU ABOUT.WE ARE ONLY RECOMMENDING ONE AT THIS TIME, BUT THERE IS A VARIABLE LEVEL OF COST SAVINGS.
TRIP CAPS SIDE. LITTLE EASIER FOR THE WRITER TO UNDERSTAND. IT'S A NUMBER OF TRIPS PER MONTH. FLAT BASED FEE. THEY JUST CANNOT EXCEED THAT NUMBER. POSSIBLY SOME WRITERS MAY CHOOSE TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR TO REDUCE THEIR TRIPS, BUT WE COULD ALSO SEE CAN BE PUSHBACK ON EITHER OF THESE, BUT WE CAN SEE PUSHBACK ON THIS SIDE WHERE SOMEONE HAS HIT THEIR CAP BUT HAS A REAL MEDICAL SITUATION AND FEELS THAT THE PROGRAM FAILED THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE HIT THEIR CAP, AND THEY NO LONGER CAN TAKE A TRIP WITH THE PROGRAM. AND THE FAIR BASED DISTANCE CAP. THEY MIGHT HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR THAT TRIP, BUT IT'S STILL THERE FOR THEM. THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED TO DO TRIP CAPS. NOT IMPOSSIBLE. HARDLY ANYTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE.
BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME CUSTOM BUILT SOFTWARE. AND THEN UM, WHEN IN THE WAY WE EVALUATED IT, THE TRIP CAT HAS SOME LOWER POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS. SO WE TALKED ABOUT COST SAVINGS. THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA DO. WE TALKED ABOUT PROGRAM CHANGES. LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR FUNDING RIGHT NOW. THE WAY THE PROGRAM IS SET UP. WE HAVE A COST ALLOCATION FORMULA THAT WE USE FROM COG AND IT SETS UP WHAT OUR PARTNER CITIES SHOULD PAY. UM WE'RE VERY LUCKY, THOUGH THE LAST FEW YEARS WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING BECAUSE WE'VE HAD CARES ACT DOLLARS. TO CONTRAST THAT LET'S PRETEND WE DIDN'T HAVE CARE ACT DOLLARS. OUR ESTIMATED COST BASED ON USE LIKE IF WE ASKED EVERY CITY TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY'RE USING, UM WOULD BE A BIT DIFFERENT. SO YOU CAN SEE MCKINNEY IS THE HEAVY USER HERE. WE'D BE ON THE HOOK FOR 1.3 MILLION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LOWRY CROSSING, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR $3700. AS OF THIS YEAR, MCKINNEY IS PAYING A LOCAL SHARE A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS TO NOTE. WE CAN REQUEST FUNDING FROM M CDC FOR TRANSIT EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES ONLY IN FACT, VERY EARLY ON IN THE PROGRAM. ONE OF OUR CONTRACTORS DID SECURE A GRANT FROM N CDC FOR EQUIPMENT AND THEN SOMETIMES WE GET FUNDING SOURCES AND WILL ALWAYS LOOK FOR OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. FOR EXAMPLE, WE SEE WE RECEIVED AROUND $100,000 FROM DEVELOPMENT CREDITS FROM K THIS YEAR. THAT'S A REALLY NICE LITTLE CASH INFLUX THAT CAN HELP OUR PROGRAM. BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE EVERY YEAR. OR BUILD ON OR LIKE LEAN ON FOR SUSTAINABLE SORT OF BONUS MONEY. SO THEN, NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THAT ALL WE HAD THEY HAD ALL THAT INFORMATION. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT A COUPLE OF IDEAS ON HOW WE PULL IT TOGETHER. PULL THE PUZZLE PIECES TOGETHER. UM AND WE'VE I'VE LISTED THESE ON THE SLIDE AS MINIMUM TO MAXIMUM IMPACT THAT'S IMPACT ON CARES ACT DOLLARS. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IMPACT ON RIDERSHIP, IT'S THE OPPOSITE. SO THE FIRST IS A $2 MILLION ANNUAL BUDGET RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE $2.3 MILLION RANGE.
SO WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO CARVE $300,000 OR SO OF SAVINGS FOR NEXT YEAR.
HOW CAN WE DO THAT? AND AS YOU CAN DO THAT, WITH THE TRIP CAP THAT WE PRESENTED OR THE $5 FARE BASE DISTANCE CAP THAT IS STRAIGHT UP CAP THAT IS NO SURCHARGE FOR NON NUTD CITIES.
WE WOULD ALSO PROPOSE PAIRING THAT WITH SETTING A DECREASING THRESHOLD OF CARES. ACT RELIANCE YEAR 1 50% WE'RE GOING TO USE A MILLION DOLLARS OF KAZAK DOLLARS TO PLUG THE BUDGET. BUT YOU TWO
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WE WANNA GO DOWN YEAR THREE. WE WANNA GO DOWN AND THEN THE LOCAL FUNDING WILL INCREASE ACCORDINGLY. THERE'S A $1.5 MILLION OPTION WHERE WE HAVE A HIGHER FARE BASED THRESHOLD AND THEN A $1 MILLION OPTION, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY EXTREME THAT BE HALF OF WHAT OUR BUDGET IS TODAY OR LESS, AND THEN WE'D BE REALLY LOOKING AT SOME BIG PROGRAM CHANGES. OF THE THREE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND IS MOST COMFORTABLE WITH THE $2 MILLION BUDGET OPTION THAT WOULD TAKE OUR COST SAVINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TODAY. COMBINE THEM WITH THE FAIR BASE DISTANCE CAP.$5 FARE BASE DISTANCE CAP, NO SURCHARGE. WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT DECREASE IN CARES ACT MONEY 50% TO START 40% FISCAL YEAR 26 25% FISCAL YEAR 27 AND THEN EVALUATE FROM THERE AND HOPEFULLY MOVING DOWN THE LINE. WE WOULD ALSO REVISE THE COST ALLOCATION FORMULA. SO IT'S A KIND OF PAY FOR WHAT YOU USE, AND WE WOULD ASK THE MEMBER CITIES TO PAY BASED ON THEIR USER AND THE USE THEY HAVE OF THE SYSTEM. IN OUR MODEL. WE INCLUDE A 3% GROWTH RATE WHEN WE DEVELOP THE NUMBERS FOR THIS HERE'S WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THE NUMBERS. SO UM, THE BARS REPRESENT DIFFERENT FUNDING BUCKETS. SO THE BROWN ORANGISH ARE CARES. ACT UH, THE GRAIN ARE OUR FEDERAL FUNDS. THE YELLOW MUSTARD COLOR, OUR TEXT AND THEN RED IS LOCAL AND IN FISCAL YEAR 2425 THOSE NUMBERS ADD UP TO $2 MILLION TO START AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THAT SCENARIO, WE'D BE LOOKING FOR 200 ABOUT $267,000 FROM OUR CITY THAT WOULD BREAK DOWN TO BE PRIMARILY FROM MCKINNEY, UM, WITH SOME ALSO PARTICIPATING FEES FROM OUR SISTER CITIES. COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE HERE.
UM. IT IS AN INTERESTING WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE BAR GRAPHS, THERE'S AN INTERESTING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HOW CARES ACT DECREASES, BUT LOCAL SHARE INCREASES BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMPLETELY LINEAR ON THE SAME SLOPE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS FEDERAL FUNDING. RIGHT NOW. OUR CARES ACT DOLLARS. DON'T ALLOW US TO USE THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS. SO FOR EVERY DOLLAR IN THE RED AND THE YELLOW , WE CAN TAKE A DOLLAR FROM THE GREEN. WE CAN ADD. WE CAN PULL MORE FROM THE GREEN. SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE REDUCING OUR CARES ACT DOLLARS ARE RED LOCAL DOLLARS ARE GOING UP AT THE SAME AMOUNT, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE IT MEANS WE CAN SOFTEN THE IMPACT TO OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO PAY FOR THIS PROGRAM OVER TIME, HOPEFULLY ABSORB THOSE COSTS YEAR TO YEAR ON. BUDGET WHILE MAINTAINING LEVELS OF SERVICE. COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO NOTE. THIS IS A WORKING MODEL. WE ARE FULLY AWARE THAT WITH THE CHANGES WITH MFU, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE CITIES ANYMORE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT. WE ALSO KNOW THAT IF RIDERSHIP BEHAVIOR CHANGES THESE NUMBERS MIGHT CHANGE. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO START SOMEWHERE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED TODAY. SO WHAT'S NEXT? WE ARE SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT TO PURSUE THE COST SAVINGS AS PRESENTED, UM, PURSUE A $2 MILLION BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR. 2425 UTILIZE THE $5 FARE BASE DISTANCE CAP AND THEN ALSO USE THE LOCAL COST ALLOCATION. UM OPEN TO CONVERSATION ON THAT OPEN TO PROVIDING MORE DATA, BUT WE ARE SEEKING DIRECTION BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING A SOME FORMAL APPROVALS BACK TO YOU, PROBABLY IN APRIL OF 2024 IMPLEMENTING THIS TAKES TIME. IT TAKES TIME BECAUSE RYAN WANTS TO RUN IT BY HIS GROUP AT DART. HE HAS TO GO THROUGH HIS DART BOARD PROCESS AND PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, ANY PROGRAM CHANGES . WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO COMMUNICATE TO OUR WRITERS, SO THEY ABSOLUTELY READY TO GO WHEN ANY CHANGES WOULD TAKE PLACE IN JANUARY OF 2025. WITH THAT OUR WHOLE TEAM STANDS READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS COMPLICATED STUFF FOR SO LONG. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRIP CAPS. AND. START LOOKING AT. OK ONCE YOU HIT THAT TRIP, G, YOU CAN NO LONGER TAKE ANY MORE TRIPS WITH OUR SERVICE. WHAT IF YOU HIT THAT TRIP CAB AND THEN YOU USE A GRADUATED SCALE WHERE YOU INCREASE THE COST OF THAT.
YOU KNOW? UPWARDS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVEN HAVE A CAP ON THAT IF YOU LOOKED AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO NOT IN DETAIL, BUT AS MENTIONED THERE ARE A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS. YOU KNOW. PARDON THE SLANG TERM. YOU CAN SKIN THE CAT HERE. WE'VE TRIED TO HONE IT INTO TWO PROPOSALS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THE BUDGET. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT. IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE RIDERSHIP MORE THAN EITHER OF THESE TWO, BUT WE
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DIDN'T GO INTO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL OF ANALYZING THAT PARTICULAR OPTION IN THE SAME WAY. WE EVALUATED THESE TWO OPTIONS. I THINK YOU SAID THAT EVEN IMPLEMENTING A TRIP CAP WOULD MEAN A CAPITAL INVESTMENT OF SOFTWARE THAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE. WHICH IS PERHAPS WHY IT'S NOT ON THIS RECOMMENDED PAGE AND IT SO WE REALLY WANTED TO PROVIDE A PACKAGE TO YOU THAT WE RECOMMENDED AND FELT COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT WE ALSO PRESENTED THE TRIP CAP BECAUSE IT IS ANOTHER OPTION, AND IF THE BOARD LIKES THAT OPTION BETTER WE CAN DO CERTAINLY EXPLORE THAT OPTION. WHAT? I'M NOT SEEING KIM AND FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED IT IS WE TALKED AT THE VERY START ABOUT A CANCELLATION POLICY. BUT I'M NOT SEEING THAT IMPLEMENTED HERE. WHAT AM I MISSING? IT IS WELL, SO THAT'S PART OF OUR COST SHARE BUCKET, SO I DIDN'T LIST THOSE OUT IN DETAIL. BUT LET'S FIND HIM HERE. ALL OF THESE THINGS THOSE FOUR BULLET POINTS WE'RE DOING THOSE REGARDLESS.THE CANCELLATION POLICY IS A COST SAVING MEASURE. REGARDLESS SO THAT'S NOT EVEN AN OPTION.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE THINK IS RESPONSIBLE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. DOES THAT. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, IT DOES. AND I'LL JUST MAKE THE COMMENT THAT YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT TRIP CAPS AND SOFTWARE, AND THAT'S A MOVING PART. THAT WOULD BE A HEAVIER LIFT THAN THE INCREASE. BUT YOU KNOW, THE 24 FOR DIALYSIS IS CORRECT. BUT 24 DOESN'T GIVE THEM ANY ROOM TO MANEUVER FOR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN DIALYSIS, AND IT SEEMED TO ME IN . PERHAPS YOU DON'T HAVE THIS DATA THAT THE DIALYSIS WALMART USE WAS PRETTY HEAVY HERE, PEOPLE GOING TO A LOCATION THAT COULD BE WALMART OR COULD BE DIALYSIS. IT SEEMED LIKE A HEAVY USAGE OF THIS PROGRAM. LOOKING TO THE TEAM. OK THANK YOU. SO RYAN'S SAYING YES, I THINK YES, YOU ARE. CORRECT YOU KNOW, SO, UH AND MA'AM, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS FROM EARLIER, BUT IT IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW THAT IF WE'RE TRYING TO BENEFIT THE MOST PEOPLE, THEN THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST ON MY MIND. AT LEAST RIGHT NOW ARE THOSE THAT YOU KNOW, MY MOTHER IN LAW WAS ON DIALYSIS FOR 10 YEARS, SO I RECOGNIZE THE YOU KNOW HOW A FAMILY'S LIFE CAN REVOLVE AROUND THAT, AND THIS GIVES SOME LEVEL OF INDEPENDENCE, BUT THE TRIP CAPS WOULD, UH YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU MADE IT, 30, YOU KNOW THAT THAT GIVES THEM SIX NON DIALYSIS TRIPS A MONTH. AND SO I SO I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH. GIVE ME A ROUNDABOUT NUMBER IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT SOME SOFTWARE CHANGES. BUDGETARY WISE. WHAT IS THE IMPACT? WHILE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH SPARE LABS, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT NUMBER YET. OF COURSE, IF IT WAS AN INSURMOUNTABLE NUMBER TRIP CAPS WOULDN'T BE ON THE SLIDE. SO ONCE OUR ALTERNATIVE IF WE DON'T DO THIS, JUST TO FOLD UP THE PROGRAM IN THREE MORE YEARS. THAT SO? NO. YES. NO. AND, YES, UM WE BECAUSE IT'S GOOD POLICY.
NOW IT'S TO ALWAYS EXPLORE THE DO NOTHING RIGHT. SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT IF WE JUST KEPT EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS AND JUST TRY TO INCREASE LOCAL FUNDING. IT DID NOT SEEM VIABLE.
BASED ON THE GROWTH. WE DO FEEL THAT PROGRAM CHANGES LIKE TRIP CAPS OR THE DISTANCE SPACE FARE CAP. ARE NECESSARY. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO FALL OFF A CLIFF NEXT YEAR, WE'RE IN A GREAT SPOT TO START HAVING THIS CONVERSATION NOW AND MAKING SMALL, INCREMENTAL CHANGES THAT GIVE US A SOFT LANDING. BUT IF WE DO NOTHING EVERY YEAR THAT GOES BY WILL INCREASE THAT RISK THAT WE ARE GONNA END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE RIDERS THAT HAVE BECOME MORE RELIANT ON A REALLY GREAT SERVICE MIGHT END UP LOSING THAT SERVICE IN A BIG WAY, RATHER THAN HAVING TO ADAPT TO SMALL CHANGES. I THINK THE WAY I VIEW IT. AND TO THIS YOUNG LADY'S CONCERN SHE SPOKE EARLIER IS THAT I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COST FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RIDING RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF I WANT TO ASSURE THAT THERE ARE RODS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON DIALYSIS IN 2030 2050 , I BETTER MAKE SOME CHANGES RIGHT NOW, AND IT WOULD CERTAINLY SEEM WISE FOR THIS.
GROUP. TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLKS. WE SENT OUT THERE TO STUDY ALL THIS AND USE ALL THE DATA AND ANALYZE IT FOR US AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US SO WE CAN EXTEND THE LIFE OF THIS PROGRAM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SERVING THIS CITY. DECADES IN THE FUTURE, RATHER THAN THE IMMEDIATE COST TODAY. UM, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OTHER CITIES. WHAT ARE THEY TYPICALLY SPEND ON TRANSIT? YOU KNOW WHAT? I WILL ACTUALLY ASK BRIAN OR SOMEONE FROM THE TEAM.
I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FRISCO, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. I MEAN, FRISCO WAS SPENDING. HOW MUCH WAS FRISCO SPENDING? $400,000 FROM THEIR GENERAL FUND. SO ONE. I COULD TALK ABOUT
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DE SOTO. UM WHO RUNS A. IT'S A DIFFERENT SERVICE. IT'S OPEN TO THE ENTIRE GENERAL PUBLIC. THEY SPEND ABOUT $130,000 A YEAR FOR THEIR SERVICE. IT IS A MUCH SMALLER SERVICE AREA, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE SHOULD REALLY POINT OUT HERE IS THAT IT'S AN APPLES AMOUNT. PAY AND ALSO THE AMOUNT OF, UH, SQUARE MILEAGE THAT THEY SERVE. UM THERE ARE OTHER SERVICES THAT I CAN THINK OF, LIKE COLLIN COUNTY RIDES, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY COMPARABLE. WHICH IS A SERVICE THAT DART NO LONGER, UH, PROVIDES, UH, NOW DC T A IS PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE TO ALAN AND THE TOWN OF FAIRVIEW AND ALLEN PAYS. I BELIEVE LAST TIME I SAW I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 100 AND 20 130. $1000 FOR THEIR RIDER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, BUT IT IS MUCH SMALLER. THEY HAD. I BELIEVE, ON AVERAGE ABOUT 100 UNIQUE WRITERS PER MONTH, WHEREAS OUR SERVICE CURRENTLY HAS ABOUT 360 UNIQUE RIDERS PER MONTH. SO AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT SCALE. UM, AND HOW THAT IMPACTS COSTS. WHEN WILL WE KNOW THE IMPACT OF THE MAP CHANGE. UH, SO WE'RE STILL TALKING TO COG ABOUT THE MAFUA. UM EVERYTHING IS STILL VERY MUCH IN FLUX. AND UH, THEY WON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR US AT LEAST WELL INTO FY 25 AS TO WHAT THE, UH CITIES LOOK LIKE THEY WILL MAKE THAT UP. SAID ANOTHER A K. IF I CAN, THE EARLIEST WE WOULD SEE KIND OF OUR CITIES CHANGE WOULD PROBABLY BE FY 26. YEAH. SO THEY CAME RUNNING TO US. AND FY 23. AND THIS IS COMING AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOUR YEARS TO IMPLEMENT. CHANGE OF THE MAP, WHICH MAY CHANGE AGAIN BASED OFF OF A 20. 30 CENSUS. I DON'T THINK THE MA. I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF THE MAP. THAT'S WHAT SET BY THE CENSUS. I THINK IT'S FIGURING OUT WHAT FRISCO IS DOING WITH THEIR SERVICE. WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OURS AND HOW COG IS INTERPLAYING. BUT YES, ALL OF THAT IS STILL. UH BUT THE FUNDING CHANGES WILL CHANGE WITH THAT CHANGE IN THE MAP. BASED ON OUR CURRENT INFORMATION, THE TEXT UP FUNDING THAT CURRENTLY IS NOW ALL GOING TO US. WE'LL BE SPLIT BETWEEN US AND FRISCO. COULD THAT CHANGE? ABSOLUTELY BUT WE THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO TAKE THAT, LIKE, UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A POTENTIAL NOW, UM SO THAT IT DOESN'T KIND OF BITE US LATER ON. ARE THERE ANY BENEFITS FROM FRISCO TAKING? I MEAN, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP MONEY. THERE. IS THERE ANY BENEFITS TO HAVING FRESCO IN THE SYSTEM? WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE ON HOW THE CITIES ARE SET UP BECAUSE THEY'RE SET UP BY THE CENSUS. I THINK A KIA AND HER TEAM ARE HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS WITH FRISCO NOW, UM FOR THEM. THIS IS PROBABLY ALMOST A BIGGER CHANGE THAN FOR US BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS TO THE FUNDING AND ALL OF THE THINGS SO I SUPPOSE.PROBABLY THE MOST ACCURATE THING I CAN SAY IS, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK TO THEM. WE HAVE A PROGRAM GOAL FOR MCKINNEY AND OUR MEMBER CITIES TO WE HAVE OUR PROGRAM GOAL IF OUR PROGRAM GOAL ALIGNS WITH THEIR PROGRAM GOAL, AND THERE'S ANY BENEFITS. WE WILL ALWAYS EXPLORE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND BENEFITS. NIKIA CHIME IN HERE IF I'VE SAID ANYTHING. THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT'S HERE DOESN'T INCLUDE A TRIP C CORRECT. BUT IT DOES INCREASE. A $5 FARE BASED DISTANCE CAP INDIVIDUAL UH, WHO USES OUR SERVICE TODAY FROM $3 AND. 15 CENTS IN OUR MAP TO $5.
AND SO. ON AN AVERAGE RIDERSHIP OF 15 PER 15 TRIPS PER RIDER. THAT'S LIKELY A $30 PER MONTH.
IMPACT THAT WE KNOW OF RIGHT AWAY JUST WITH THE $5 CHANGE. YEAH. AND IT YOU KNOW, WE DID.
WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE OUT IMPACT TO RIDER WITH IMPACT TO CITIES BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER BIG CHANGE. WE WILL BE ASKING OUR MEMBER CITIES FOR FUNDING AND WE WILL ASK HIM TO DOUBLE CITY MCKINNEY FUNDING WE'RE TRYING TO USE BOTH. THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION. WE FORWARD. OF COURSE WE'RE OPEN, UM TO YOUR GUIDANCE ON THAT IF YOU WANT IT TO BE MORE LOCAL FUNDING AND LESS RIDER IMPACT, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT WE THIS IS SUCH A COMPLICATED PROGRAM WITH SO MANY MOVING PARTS. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE TEAM WITH SPARE LABS AND DART IN THE DATA, AND THROUGH ALL OF THE SCENARIOS THEY RAN, AND ALL OF THE MODELS THEY RAN, AND ALL OF RYAN'S
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EXPERIENCE MANAGING THESE PROGRAMS FOR DART FOR YEARS AND YEARS. WE FEEL THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION AT THIS TIME. IT IS A CHANGE, BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE CERTAINLY CONDITIONED CERTAINLY NOT WITH OUR PROGRAM JUST FOR THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THEY'RE CONDITIONED TO KNOW THAT LONGER TRIPS. GENERALLY COST MORE MONEY. MEAN AT LEAST THAT'S BEEN THEIR LIFETIME EXPERIENCE.I. I UNDERSTAND IT WILL BE A CHANGE AND CERTAINLY TO THIS RIDERSHIP, BUT I. I THINK IT'S A CHANGE THAT. UNDERSTAND AND TO THE POINT MADE BEFORE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE PROGRAM EVEN INCREASING AND I'M I'M IMAGINE WE'RE GOING TO BE INCREASING LOCAL FUNDS. BUT AT THE GROWTH RATE, WE'RE GOING TO BE AT AN UNSUSTAINABLE PLACE IN THREE YEARS. WITHOUT INCREASING FUNDS AND WITHOUT SAVING ANY MONEY AND IN FAVOR. IN THE CAMP ON FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR MATCHING FUNDS. WE'RE NEVER GONNA HIT IT, ARE WE. HE REGRET THAT FEDERAL MATCH THAT THAT HAS PROVIDED ON DO YOU MEAN LIKE, WOULD WE EVER PULL DOWN ALL OF THE FEDERAL MONEY WE HAVE ACCESS TO? IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY. THE PERFECTIONIST AND ME SAW THE NUMBERS THAT DON'T ALIGN WITH 30,000 OR 40,000 GAP IN THAT PRESENTATION MADE ME THINK MAYBE WE WERE HITTING A CAT. BUT WHEN I WERE CLOSE TO IT SO THE BENEFIT OF SPENDING 50 CENTS. IN SERVICE AS A CITY PROVIDES US A DOLLAR IN BENEFIT. YES. YEP. A DOLLAR OF CARES ACT IS A DOLLAR. A DOLLAR OF LOCAL MONEY IS $2.
FURTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE READY IN APRIL. IS THERE GENERAL CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROPOSAL AND BRING THE APPROPRIATE FOLLOW UP INFORMATION BACK TO THE BOARD? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING MATTERS, NOT ON THE AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK ON MATTERS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SEEING NONE. UM, ON ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. HE SAID
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. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. RIGHT, UH, ALL IN FAVOR.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.