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GOOD EVENING. IT IS 6:04 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S PLANNING HIS OWN COMMISSION MEETING OF TUESDAY, MARCH 26TH 2024 THE COMMISSIONERS SEE SEATED BEFORE YOU HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
TONIGHT WE WILL HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT MAY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED AND OTHER ITEMS THAT DO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED. UH, IF YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT AND PLAN ON PARTICIPATING IN OUR OUR OR TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FEW HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS FOR YOU WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM. UH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SHOW YOUR THOUGHTS WITH US. IF THE ITEM DOES NOT HAVE A, UM PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED. THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE FRONT END OF OUR MEETING FOR YOU TO SHARE YOUR COMMENTS ON AN ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA. AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING. OR A SITE PLAN. ITEM. 22-0020 SP TWO. THIS IS AT LAKE FOREST AND VIRGINIA PARKWAY. IF YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM , WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE GET TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, WE WILL PULL THAT DOWN AND HAVE STAFF. UH, GIVE US AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT WE CAN DO AS A, UH, RECOMMENDING BOARD. TO THE CITY COUNCIL. UH, LET'S TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT AND FOCUS ON THE ISSUES. WE HAVE
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A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. UM PLEASE OBSERVE THE THREE MINUTE CLOCK AND WITH THAT WE WILL START OUR FIRST OUR ITEM NINE WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED. IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THAT REASON WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS. AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE HERE FOR THAT REASON, SO I WILL READ THESE NAMES OF AND THEN IF YOU CHOOSE TO COME TO THE PODIUM. THAT'S GREAT. KEEP IN MIND. THESE ARE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS, NOT A PART OF A SPECIFIC ITEM PUBLIC HEARING. THERE ARE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE RIGHT TO MAKE AS CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY. ON SOMETHING ON OUR AGENDA. IF WE DID NOT HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE ANY INPUT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY STAFF TO KNOW YOUR POSITION ON A PARTICULAR ITEM. SO WE ARE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. IT IS IMPORTANT YOU BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. SO, UH, WITH THAT. OUR FIRST UH, CARD IS FROM TRACY AND RUSTY JONES. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. UH, I'D LIKE TO TAKE TONIGHT JUST LOOK INTO THE FUTURE, ASSUMING THAT THE CITY APPROVES THIS BUILDING PROJECT AND ASSUMING IT IS BUILT AND ASSUMING THAT WE'RE STILL HERE TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW. IN A PARTIES RANGING AT MIDNIGHT. OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT IS TO CALL THE POLICE AND ASK FOR SOME KIND OF RESPONSE TO SHUT THE PARTY DOWN. CITATION IS ISSUED. QUESTION IS HOW MANY CITATIONS ARE ISSUED BY THE CITY BEFORE A FINE IS SET. HOW MANY FINES WERE SENT BEFORE SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT THEIR VIOLATING THE CITY. ORDINANCES FOR TIME AND MUSIC AND LOUDNESS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. OUR FEELING IS THAT THOSE FINES WOULD BECOME A LIED ITEM. A BUDGET ITEM AND THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY AND THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS IN MECHANIC. I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT GIAN FR MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME. THAT'S I APOLOGIZE. THE RESIDENT OF 200 SOUTH VILLAGE DRIVE. ON. TO HI. MY NAME IS DANTE MUNOZ. I'M AT 200 SOUTH VILLAGE DRIVE. AND UH, I'M PROBABLY GONNA ECHO A LOT OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE FEEL WITH RESPECT TO THIS PLAN. REALLY CONCERNS AROUND THE NOISE POLLUTION. THE LIGHT POLLUTION, THE CONSTRUCTION WORK, WHICH, ALBEIT TEMPORARY. IS GOING TO GIVE WAY TO THE EVENT CENTERS, NOISE THAT EVENTUALLY IS GOING TO FOLLOW AND YOU KNOW, I RELOCATED MY FAMILY HERE. UH, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND I LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE MOVED INTO. I'VE GOT THREE KIDS 64 AND TWO AND THE REASON WE LOVE IT IS BECAUSE IT'S QUIET. THEY GET TO GO OUTSIDE. WE WALK AND WE THINK WE CAN GO TO BED AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL OF THE NOISE THAT YOU WOULD GET IF YOU WERE LIVING NEAR AN AREA WITH, YOU KNOW, AN EVENT CENTER LIKE THAT. ASIDE FROM SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE, UH, THE PARKING ISSUES THAT THAT ARE EVEN CITED ON THE CITY DRAWING OR THE DRAWING AND THE NOISE IN EVERYTHING LIKE[00:05:08]
THAT, UM I AM NOT EVEN SURE THAT IT IS A GOOD USE OF THE LAND, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS AROUND THERE WITH PEOPLE, RETIREES, NEW FAMILIES LIKE MYSELF. AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. SO I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GIVE THAT CONSIDERATION BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. THANK THANK YOU. UH, FRANK KELLY. FRANK KELLY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT TONIGHT. UM I JUST WANT TO SHARE MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THIS EVENT CENTER. UH, A LIGHT POLLUTION NOISE POLLUTION POTENTIAL IS EXCESSIVE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA. TO ME, THIS WOULD BE BETTER SUITED ON A MAJOR HIGHWAY OR ON A MUCH MORE RURAL LOCATION. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, MR KELLY. NE NEXT CARD IS SHERRY JACKSON. MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED ON SANDY COURT FOR 19 YEARS. WE LOVE THAT STREET. IT'S A QUIET CUL DE SAC WHERE CHILDREN PLAY PEACEFULLY IN THE FRONT YARDS. WE BACK UP TO THE PROPOSED SITE OF THIS EVENT CENTER. WE ARE OPPOSED TO ANYTHING OF THIS NATURE BEING BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A ONESTO DOCTOR'S OFFICE BUILDING WAS BUILT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. IS IDEAL. THEY ARE THERE DURING THE WEEKDAYS. THEY'RE NOT THERE OPEN ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS TO POLLUTE THE SOUND AND UM DO NOT INCREASE TRAFFIC FLOW IN OUR COMMUNITY. AN EVENT CENTER, UH, INVOLVING 400. PLUS VEHICLES COMING AND GOING AT THE SAME TIME WILL CREATE A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AT LAKE FOREST IN VIRGINIA. OUR HOME IS ELEVATED, AND SO THAT WHEN WE LOOK OUT INTO OUR BACKYARD WE WILL SEE A FENCE. BUT ANYBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE WILL SEE INTO OUR WINDOWS AND THAT WON'T GIVE US ANY PRIVACY. MOST OF THE MATURE TREES THAT WE HAVE THERE NOW ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED. AND THAT AND THAT WILL NOT HELP AT ALL.SO, UM THE EVENT CENTER WILL GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL EXPERIENCE LOUD MUSIC AND NOISE INTO THE EVENING HOURS. AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AREA LIKE OURS. WE JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD VOTE AGAINST US FOR US, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MS JACKSON.
NEXT CARD, PATRICK JACKSON. EXCUSE ME, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HEAR THESE COMMENTS WITH A LINE ITEM. OR DID YOU WANT TO HEAR HIM NOW? BECAUSE YOUR SCHEDULE, SAYS COMMENTS. BUT THESE ARE COMMENTS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE ON AN ITEM THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED. DISCIPLE. I'M SORRY. THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLAN FOR LAKE FOREST IN VIRGINIA DOES NOT HAVE A SITE A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED. THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY OTHER THAN RIGHT NOW FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
CENTER IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOME ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, WE EXPECT TO HAVE BUSINESS BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY.
HOWEVER WE EXPECTED BUSINESSES SUCH AS DOCTORS, OFFICE, DAYCARES AND A RESTAURANT WOULD ALL BE MORE CONDUCIVE TO THIS PROPERTY. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS OFTEN ASKED TO LOOK AT UM WORKS OR DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE PUT FORTH BY THE CITY. THE CITY SEEMS TO ALWAYS APPROVE OF THESE PLANS, BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE CITY WANTS THE TAX DOLLARS. THEY WANT ANYTHING BUILT SO THEY'D RATHER HAVE AN EVENT CENTER THAN SOMETHING THAT FITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AN EVENT CENTER IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA RELEASE AS MANY AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS IF THEY TOOK THE MEGA THEATERS AND RELEASED ALL THEIR SHOWS AT ONE TIME. 405 100 CARS HITTING THE STREET. WITHIN A 30 MINUTE PERIOD. THE OTHERS. PURPOSELY STAGGER THEIR SHOWS SO THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THEIR A ROADS. THIS IS NOT A FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD IN ITS SURROUNDED BY NE BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THIS EVENT CENTER. IT IS NOT A FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR. THANK YOU, MR JACKSON. AN EX GARD PATRICK LINDERMAN. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PATRICK LEDERMAN. I LIVE AT 5002 ENCLAVE, WHICH WE BACK UP DIRECTLY TO THIS EVENT CENTER TO THE FIELD. I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF EVERYONE BEFORE ME, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UM, A COUPLE OF POINTS. UH, NUMBER ONE. THIS
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IS THE THIRD TIME THAT THEY'VE TRIED TO DO THIS, UM, THE FIRST TIME IT WAS STRUCK DOWN BY CITIZEN DESCENT. THE SECOND TIME IT WAS STRUCK DOWN BY CITIZEN DISSENT. THE DEVELOPER ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, AND I DOUBT THAT OUR OPINION HAS CHANGED. IN FACT, IT CLEARLY HAS NOT CHANGED SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING NOW MEETS CODE FROM 1997. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS HERE. I IMPLORE YOU VOTED AGAINST IT AND PUT AN END TO THIS. THERE WILL ALSO BE THE ADDED NOTE OF THE THEY SERVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. THERE WILL BE INTOXICATED PEOPLE LEAVING NOT JUST 400 TO 500 PEOPLE, AND I'M SORRY TO SAY TEXAS IS NOT RANK HIGH WHEN IT COMES TO DUIS. THE NEAREST HOTELS ARE MILES AWAY, THEY WILL BE DRIVING. THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET TO THESE. THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR THIS THING AGAIN. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA. BUT AGAIN, THE SINGLE OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH IT IS ZONED FOR. IT WAS ZONED FOR OFFICES WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN SOMETHING WITH OPERATING HOURS, THE LAST MEETING THEY COULDN'T PROVIDE US WITH OPERATING HOURS OR MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY. MAYBE THEY CAN THIS TIME, BUT THAT'S STILL WOULDN'T REALLY CHANGE MY SENTIMENT.WHATEVER GOES, THERE DOES NEED TO BE OPERATING DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS. UM PRIVACY CONCERNS. I ALSO HAVE THE CHILDREN SLEEPING JUST METERS AWAY ANY WERE THE ONLY BENEFICIARY IS THE OWNER. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR A LOCAL COMMUNITY. I AM PLEASE ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. SAY NO AND PUT AN END TO THIS. IT'S THE THIRD TIME I'M HERE, MISSING MY SON'S HOCKEY GAME BECAUSE I HAD TO COME DOWN HERE AND THAT'S KIND OF IRRITATING. SO WE SAY NO. AND I ASK THAT YOU ALL DO THE SAME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR LUNDER. NEXT GARD, SANDY DELANEY. AM SANDY DELANEY. I LIVE AT 304 SOUTH VILLAGE DRIVE IN MCKINNEY, WHICH IS THE STONE BROOK CROSSING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEHIND THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AND I COULD JUST SAY DITTO TO WHAT WAS JUST SAID, HOWEVER, KEEP IN MIND THAT A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO BUILD THE SITE IT WAS ADDRESSED WITH EVERYONE BECAUSE HE WAS ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE AND PEOPLE SAID, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE TURNED OUT AGAINST THIS PLAN, AND IT WAS NOT THE ZONING CHANGE AS MUCH AS IT WAS THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A VERY LARGE ENTERTAINMENT CENTER BUILT ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. IN FACT, THE PLAN WAS PROPOSED IN WHAT 2022, IT WAS WAS ACTUALLY A MORE AGREEABLE PLAN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT HE'S PROPOSED NOW BECAUSE IT HAD GREENERY, AND IT HAD GRASS AND PONDS. WELL NOW WHAT IT IS, IS IT IS 450 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE GOING TO BACK UP TO WITHIN 15 FT. OF THE PROPERTY LINES OF I THINK IT IS 12 HOUSES ON SANDY COURT, AND THEN THE PEOPLE ON SOUTH VILLAGE DRIVE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT PARKING SPACES. I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE USE FOR IT, AND PEOPLE STILL OBJECT TO THE CONCEPT OF THE ENTERTAINMENT CENTER. WE JUST DO NOT HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE HE IS NOT ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE, BUT IT'S STILL THE CAPACITY IS THE SAME. HE IS USING THE SAME AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. HE'S JUST GOTTEN AROUND THE ZONING BY PUTTING THREE SEPARATE BUILDINGS IN AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE LARGE BUILDING THAT HE ORIGINALLY PLANNED. ADD TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF THIS, BUT I'VE BEEN SEEING SOME, UM, SCUTTLE ON. SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT ANOTHER PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS EXACTLY ONE BLOCK WEST ON VIRGINIA, AND IT'S ON THE CORNER OF CRITCHER CROSSING AND VIRGINIA, WHERE A MOSQUE IS BEING PLANNED FOR 36,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S GOING TO ACCOMMODATE 3000 PEOPLE, SO BETWEEN THAT IF THAT SHOULD PASS IN BETWEEN THE ENTERTAINMENT CENTER, WE'RE LOOKING WHAT 800 PEOPLE IN THE ENTERTAINMENT CENTER PLUS ANOTHER 3000. HOW ARE WE GOING TO IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE OF THE SELLINGG POINTS FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THERE IS ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT. IT'S A CLOSED NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE BACK END, SO DEPENDENT ON GETTING OUT ON VIRGINIA. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC, I PROBABLY WITH MY THREE MINUTES. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN THAT THE ENTERTAINMENT CENTER HAS TO GO IN ON LAKE FOREST, AND THEN ON VIRGINIA, THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE A CLUSTER. WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC, PEOPLE DOING U TURNS AND TRYING TO GET INTO THE FACILITY, SO I JUST I THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED. IT IS JUST NOT A ONE BIG, TALL BUILDING.
PEOPLE STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT IT THAT THEY DID WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. START IS HEATHER KRAMER. HI UM, THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR COMMENTS, BUT I KIND OF WANT TO JUST ADD ON TO WHAT SANDY SAID. THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ON VIRGINIA. THERE'S NO BACK WAY IN AND OUT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS TRAFFIC. MY FIVE YEAR OLD SON HAS AUTISM. ONE OF HIS TRIGGERS IS SITTING IN TRAFFIC. I CHECK BEFORE WE LEAVE THE HOUSE AND DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE A PLAN AND A BACKUP PLAN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT IN
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TRAFFIC. IT SETS OFF A MULTI DAY MELTDOWN FOR HIM. WE CAN'T CHOOSE TO JUST NOT LEAVE OUR HOUSE. I HAVE TO TAKE HIM TO THERAPIES MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK IN THE EVENINGS. BECAUSE I WORK AND THAT'S WHEN THESE EVENTS WILL BE HELD. WHILE I KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS MIGHT SEEM LIKE JUST INCONVENIENCES TO US, THIS WILL SEVERELY AND NEGATIVELY IMPACT MY CHILD.THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS KRAMER. THE NEXT CARD IS JOANNE. YEAH HI. UM JOANNE, I SAW YOU. I LIVE ON CRYSTAL COURT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WEST THAN WHERE THIS IS PROPOSED. BUT HAVE ALL OF YOU SEEN DRIVEN THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL. HAVE YOU ALL IS THAT A YES? HAVE A VISUAL OF IT. IT IS ALL I'M ASKING, BECAUSE I KNOW THESE PE YOU YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON NOT EVEN SEEING A NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU TO COME AND JUST TAKE A DRIVE DOWN VILLAGE ROAD OR AVENUE ROAD DRIVE. I WAS JUST CALLING VILLAGE BUT TAKE A RIDE DOWN THERE AND SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU CAN SEE OPPOSITE THAT FIELD. THERE ARE HOUSES. IT'S THEY'RE PEOPLE'S HOMES, AND THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY. I MOVED THERE 24 YEARS AGO. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE THAT WAS OUR FIRST HOUSE 24 YEARS AGO, AND YOU KNOW IT'S MCKINNEY HAS ALWAYS BEEN I'M SHAKING. I'M LITERALLY SHAKING. I'M REALLY UPSET ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BLOW UP. AND NOT IN THE WAY THAT I EVER HAD ENVISIONED. THIS WHOLE, UNIQUE BY NATURE HAS BECOME A JOKE TO MCKINNEY. IT REALLY HAS. AND THERE IS A LACK OF SAFETY NOW THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING WITH THIS FACILITY.
THERE'S A LACK OF BEAUTY. IS JUST A LACK OF CONSIDERATION. YOUR NEIGHBORS. BY PERMITTING THIS TO EXIST. YOU KNOW THIS THAT RIGHT? UH, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION IS MCKINNEY BOYD HIGH SCHOOL. WELL, THE KIDS UP AND DOWN THERE THEY JOG. THEY WALK AROUND. THEY'RE THEY'RE AROUND THERE ALL THE TIME, TOO. AND ALSO DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE CYCLISTS? IT'S AN APPROVED BIKE LANES GO THROUGH LAKE FOREST AND VIRGINIA. AND THOSE GROUPS OF BIKES ARE ALWAYS AROUND THERE, TOO. SO I'M ASSUMING THIS GUY NEEDS TWO EGRESSES FROM HIS ON THAT CORNER. HE WOULD NEED ONE ON LAKE FOREST AND TO VIRGINIA ON VIRGINIA. THE LIGHT IS RIGHT THERE. LIKE, WHERE ARE WE ALL GONNA GO? AND LAKE FOREST LIKE THERE'S THIS ONE WAY THAT THEY CAN PROBABLY GET OUT ON THAT EGRESS ROAD. THEN THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN. THEY WILL HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AND OR IF THEY END UP PARKING WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY WILL HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY. THEY WILL GO DOWN VILLAGE BECAUSE THEY'LL TRY TO CATCH THE LIGHT AT CRUTCHER CROSSING. IT IS REALLY, REALLY I. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY. I AM GOBSMACKED THAT THIS IS EVEN CONSIDERED FOR THIS CORNER. AND I REALLY I BEG YOU LOOK AT THE TOO BAD WORK AT THE COMMUNITY. COME AND SEE IT. PLEASE JUST DRIVE IN AND YOU'LL SEE IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE A PLACE LIKE THAT. THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR SADI. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, UH, PETER LITWIN. HELLO THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SPEAK. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS ON THIS COMMISSION WHO SPOKE OUT LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO AGAINST THIS WAS A SOUND OF REASON. YOU KNOW, LIKE A VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS. SO, UM I DON'T NEED TO REITERATE EVERYTHING WE KNOW THAT IS WRONG ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL FOR THIS PROPERTY. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT BY NOW, UM, WHAT I DO WANNA FOCUS ON IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM IS THE LOSS OF PRIVACY AND THE DECREASED PROPERTY VALUE. I HAVE BEEN AT SANDY COURT, MY BACKYARD BACKS UP TO WHAT IS NOW PROPOSED TO BE A HUGE PARKING LOT. I KNEW WHEN I MOVED IN, THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING THERE. EVENTUALLY I WAS PREPARED FOR THAT. BUT I WAS ALSO UNDER THE ASSUMPTION IT WOULD BE A SMALL BUSINESS A DAYTIME BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, WITH ADEQUATE PARKING AND SOME OF THOSE TREES BACK THERE WOULD BE PRESERVED AS A NATURAL BUFFER. THIS PROPOSAL THIS MAN'S
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PROPOSAL, HE'S GOING TO COME IN AND RIP OUT. DOZENS OF MATURE TREES. AND THEN HE'S GONNA REPLACE IT WITH A 6 FT WALL AND SOME SHRUBS. I MEAN, YOU CALL THEM TREES AROUND HERE. I'M SORRY. I COME FROM CALIFORNIA. THEY'RE NOT TREES. THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THEY THEY CALL THESE LITTLE THINGS TREES AND THEY NEVER GROW. THEY NEVER BECOME ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A BUFFER, SO I JUST WOULD ASK THAT THIS COMMITTEE. UM, THINK ABOUT THAT. AND ALSO, UM JUST ASK YOURSELF THIS. IF THIS PROPOSAL WAS GOING TO GO UP IN YOUR BACKYARD WHAT WOULD YOU VOTE FOR? THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING YOU TO THINK OF, PLEASE AND CAN CONSIDER THAT YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1999 RAISED MY FAMILY HERE, AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION, TOO, IS, UM EVERY YEAR. YOU KNOW THE CITY TAXES ME FOR MY PROPERTY AND IN SPITE OF MY SQUARE FOOTAGE. I GET A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER TAX. I'VE BEEN PAYING A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER TAX BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF MY HOUSE, WHICH RIGHT NOW FACES SOME TREES IN THE BACK. IT'S A LITTLE KIND OF WOODEN BACK THERE. SO WHEN I'VE ARGUED THIS POINT OF TRYING TO LOWER MY TAXES, I ALWAYS SAY WELL, YOU KNOW YOUR LOCATION, YOU KNOW, MERITS THIS THIS MUCH TAX. OK SO MY QUESTION NOW IS IF A PARKING LOT GOES UP BEHIND MY BACKYARD, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO MY BACKYARD AND INTO MY WINDOWS. IS THAT THE CITY GOING TO GIVE ME A TAX BREAK? FOR THAT. AND HOW ABOUT IF I TRY TO SELL THAT HOUSE, YOU KNOW? IS THE CITY GONNA YOU KNOW, COMPENSATE ME FOR THE MONEY THAT I PROBABLY WILL LOSE, IF BECAUSE NOBODY'S GONNA WANT TO LIVE BEHIND A BIG PARKING LOT WHERE PEOPLE CAN LOOK INTO YOUR WINDOWS AND INTO YOUR BACKYARD.THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR YOUR DECISION, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT NEXT CARD IT, KEITH DYER. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND ADDRESS. ALL I KNOW YOU ALL THIS IS YOUR JOB AND YOU SIT AND LISTEN TO MEETINGS LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME. UH, BUT THESE, YOU KNOW, AS MY FELLOW NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, RESIDENCES ARE RESIDENTS HAVE ECHOED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE OPPOSED TO THIS. I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD, UM I DO HAVE SOME PREPARED COMMENTS, BUT, UM AND I'M GOING TO ECHO MUCH OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY HEARD, REGARDLESS OF THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY WITH DUE RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE DESIGN TEAM, I SEE THE PROPOSED PROJECT AS NOT ONLY INAPPROPRIATE BUT ILLOGICAL. UM ALL ONE NEEDS TO DO IS LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING AREAS IN ALL DIRECTIONS TO SEE WHAT APPROPRIATE AND LOGICAL DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE FOR SUCH A LOCATION. UM THE NOISE POLLUTION, LIGHT POLLUTION, UH, LOSS OF PRIVACY, ALL THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND I DON'T EVEN LIVE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. I LIVE AT THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I STILL HAVE THE, UM ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD SO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. UM AND LOSS OF PROPERTY VALUES AND ALSO AS SOMEBODY ELSE MENTIONED, UH, BEING A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS ZERO BENEFIT TO THE HOMEOWNERS. SO UH, VALUE OF OUR PROPERTIES GO DOWN. UH, TRAFFIC CONCERNS ALL THE OTHER THINGS. AND YET IT'S SOMETHING. IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A DIRECT BENEFIT. UH, FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, HAVING LOOKED AT THE SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN, THEY BOTH. YOU KNOW THERE'S PROBLEMS. I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS AND ARE AWARE OF IT. BUT THERE ARE TWO FUTURE OPEN LOTS ADJACENT TO VIRGINIA. OUT PARCELS. WHO KNOWS WHAT THOSE WILL TURN INTO? UH THERE'S THE DEFICIENCY IN PARKING. UH AND I.
I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME, UM AMENDMENT ON THE BOARD FOR SOME KIND OF A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT, BUT THAT'S NEVER GOING TO WORK. UM THERE'S VERY LITTLE DETAIL, AT LEAST THAT I'VE SEEN, UH, PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE. UH, THERE IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH IS CODE MINIMUM. AT BEST. THE SITE PLAN IS INADEQUATE. UH, IN MULTIPLE WAYS. UM, LET'S SEE. IT WOULD BE GREAT, UH, TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH DESIGN MATERIALS TO LOOK AT. THERE'S NO ELEVATIONS OF THE WALL. THERE IS NO ELEVATIONS OR DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED METAL FENCE AND COLUMNS ALONG SOUTH VILLAGE. UM LIKE I SAID, OH, AND, UH, THE OTHER LADY MENTIONED THE EXISTING GREEN BELT. JUST DRIVE THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THAT'S WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT IT IS IT SITS BACK, THERE'S THE EXISTING GREEN BELT AND, UM, THAT SHOULD BE. I THINK PRESERVED AT ALL COSTS, IT IS A VALUABLE PROPERTY , QUOTE UNQUOTE AND WILL BE DEVELOPED. BUT AS MY FELLOW CITIZENS HAVE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING FAR MORE APPROPRIATELY CONSIDERED FOR THE SPOT RATHER THAN A MASSIVE EVENT CENTER WITH NEARLY 400 CARS AND THREE STORIES OF DEVELOPMENT, ETC. SO I WOULD EMPHATICALLY URGE YOU AND ANY OTHER CITY STAFF THAT
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HAVE A SAY IN THE MATTER TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL, AND NOT THAT I'M OPPOSED TO AN EVENT CENTER, UH, IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT AGAIN, AS SOMEBODY ELSE MENTIONED A MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE SPOT, LIKE A LONG 380 OR 121 WOULD BE MUCH BETTER SUITED. THE SPOT WOULD BE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR DYER. APPRECIATE IT. REGALADO, EMMA REGALADO. DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT IN OPPOSITION. IS THAT CORRECT? X CARD. EUGENE ASADI. NOT WISH TO SPEAK BUT REGISTERING IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU, UH, ANOTHER CARD. WE HAVE, UM ELLEN AND DAWN MCCOOL DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK, UH, REGISTERING IN OPPOSITION. CORRECT. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE LET ME THAT THIS ITEM THOSE COURTS, OK? ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON A NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT? THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH. OK WELL, IF YOU'LL COME UP AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND LET US WE WILL GET YOU A CARD. YEAH. HERE WE GO. YEAH GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU CAN FILL THE CARD OUT WHEN WE GET THROUGH. MY NAME IS PRIEL. I LIVE IN 530 SANDY COURT, WHICH IS SOUTH OF THE PARKING LOT AGAIN. I AM JUST ECHOING EVERYONE'S SIDE. MY ONLY CONCERN IS I BOUGHT THE HOUSE PROPERTY LIKE TWO YEARS BACK DURING 2022 AT THE HIGH PRICE, AND I AM CONCERNED. I DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS . BUT THE REASON I BOUGHT THE HOUSE IS I AM PLANNING TO RAISE GOODS. THAT IS THE REASON WHY CHOSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MCKINNEY GREEN AREA WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF KIDS ON THE SAME LANE AND I SEE THEM PLAYING EVERY WEEKEND. THERE ARE AT LEAST 510 KIDS PLAYING ON OUR ROAD. I LOVE THAT . THAT IS THE REASON WHY I BOUGHT A HOUSE AT THE PREMIUM PRICE. BUT IF SOMETHING THAT BIG BUILDS OVER THERE IT IS GOING TO DECREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUE. WE HAVE TO MOVE AND AGAIN, THERE WILL BE A GAP WHICH WE HAVE TO PAY. AND ALSO THERE WILL BE NOISE. REGARDLESS I WAS HERE LAST TUESDAY. THEY SAID THE NOISE LEVEL WILL BE DIP BELOW 65 DB. THAT IS LIKE CON CONVERSATION WISE, IT'S GOING TO BE BEYOND THAT. ALL WE CAN DO IS CALL THE POLICE AND LIKE THEY WILL CITE THEM. IF THERE ARE CARS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WE CAN TO THEM, BUT IT WILL GO ON FOR HOW LONG AND I DON'T WANT TO BE THAT GUY TO CALL POLICE EVERY TIME THERE IS A NOISE. I DON'T I, I I'M NOT NOT THAT NOSY NEIGHBOR, SO I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M HERE OPPOSING VOCALLY BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE IT LIKE A PAUSE BEFORE IT HAPPENS BEFORE WE TAKE ALL OF THE ACTION. THANK THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT? UH, ON A NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEM? YES. UH HELLO. MY NAME IS TREV BARTHOLOMEW AT 54 04 BROKEN BEND MY ECHO THE NEIGHBORS HERE WITH ALL THE CONCERNS. I'M DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO THIS TWO ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS. ONE WAS ALREADY SPOKEN TO IS JUST LOOKING AT AND I KNOW WE'RE ONLY HERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE CENTER HERE BUT THINKING THROUGH THE PROPOSED MOSQUE AND WHAT THAT DOES DO, I DON'T I THINK THAT CAN'T BE IGNORED. AND THESE CANNOT BE LOOKED AT IN ISOLATION THAT BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD. NOT ONLY EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT. BE TRUE. IT WOULD ALSO BE EXACERBATED BY ANOTHER LARGE GATHERING LITERALLY, BASICALLY FEET FROM THIS OTHER ONE AS A RELIGIOUS PERSON MYSELF. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CHURCHES AND MOSQUES AND ALL OF THAT BEING BUILT, BUT AS UM AGAIN MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID, THIS IS THE THIS IS THE WRONG AREA IN OUR CITY TO BE DOING THIS. UM THIS IS A SMALL NOTE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I DO AGREE THAT THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS OF, UM WHERE I LIVE, WHERE ANYONE LIVES IN THESE AREAS AND PERHAPS SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE IS MORE COMMERCIAL. OUR BARS. PEOPLE CAN ENJOY A WEDDING. THEY CAN GO OUT AFTERWARDS AND ACTUALLY INCREASE THE VALUE OF SOME OTHER BUSINESSES WE HAVE AROUND THERE. NONE OF THAT EXISTS BECAUSE, AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID, THERE'S NOTHING AROUND WHERE WE ARE. IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO CONTINUE THE FUN OR DO ANYTHING. IT'S JUST GONNA BE TAKEN OUT ON THE RESIDENTS WHERE PERHAPS I COULD BE ACTUALLY A BENEFIT TO OTHER BUSINESSES IN OUR CITY, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON A NONPUBLIC HEARING? A. YES, MA'AM. UM MY NAME IS JOANNA DYER , AND I'LL BE GLAD TO FILL OUT A CARD. UM BASICALLY, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID SO. I'M NOT GOING TO BORE EVERYBODY, UH, WITH[00:30:02]
REPEATING THAT ALL OVER AGAIN. I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY STATE THAT WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT BLOCK PARTIES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE LIVE ALL THE WAY AT THE VERY END AND ARROWHEAD WAY. UM THESE BLOCK PARTIES HAVE BEEN, UM UP TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE CAN HEAR IT ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT WERE NEAR IT. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IF THESE PARTIES OR THESE EVENTS GO ON, UM, WITH WHERE YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE IT. WE'RE STILL GOING TO HEAR IT ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, SO THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT. UM WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO Y'ALL BUILDING EVENT CENTERS. OF COURSE. WE'RE JUST SAYING, PLEASE BUILD IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THANKS. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON ON A NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEM? ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF ONLINE COMMENTS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR ITEM FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE SUBMITTED ITEMS ONLINE THAT MAY BE WATCHING. ON TELEVISION.PLEASE NOTE THOSE ITEMS WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, AS PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. MINUTES. UH, OKAY. WE NOW MOVE TO. WE'RE GONNA TREVOR IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH
[CONSENT ITEMS]
US, UH, WE'RE GOING TO JUMP OVER TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON CONSENT. ONE IS, UM, ITEM 24-1384. THE MINUTES OF THE LAST PLANNING IS ONLY COMMISSION MEETING AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM IS 22-0020 SP TWO. CONSIDER A SITE PLAN FOR AN INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT AMUSEMENT CENTER, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER LAKE FOREST DRIVE IN JUNIOR PARKWAY MEMBERS. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING.I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING. SO I SECOND UM, IN DISCUSSION ON APPROVING THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING. UM, LAB. RE.
[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Site Plan for Indoor Commercial Amusement (Tivona Event Center), Located at the Southwest Corner of South Lake Forest Drive and Virginia Parkway]
OK, THE MOTION CARRIES THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING HAVE BEEN APPROVED. NOW WE'VE BASICALLY PULLED DOWN 22-0020 SP TWO SITE PLAN FOR A AN EVENT CENTER AT LAKE FOREST DRIVE JUNIOR PARKWAY. MR BENNETT. THE STAFF MEMBER WALK US THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE HERE. OF COURSE.THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR CHAIRMAN THE COMMISSION. JAKE BE A PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. UM, PULL UP, SKIP FORWARD A LITTLE BIT HERE. OK? THAT IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE TINA EVENT CENTER. UM THIS IS A SITE PLAN FOR INTERCOM INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT, CONSISTING OF THREE BUILDINGS IN REGARD TO ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WILL OFFER DIRECT ACCESS TO VIRGINIA PARKWAY AND LAKE FOREST DRIVE AND IS ALSO CONNECTED TO VILLAGE DRIVE AT THE FAR NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, THE SOUTH-WESTERN POINT OF ACCESS FROM A VILLAGE DRIVE WILL BE GATED IN FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY FOLLOWING CONCERNS REGARDING THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE LOCATION, THE APPLICANT CHOSE TO RELOCATE THE ENCLOSURE TO LAKE FOREST DRIVE AND FURTHER NORTH FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. THIS ITEM IS NOT A PROPOSED REZONING OR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AS THE ENTITLEMENT FOR DEVELOPING THE INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT USE HAS BEEN PERMITTED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SINCE 1997. THERE ARE ALSO NO REQUESTED DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL. TYPICALLY SITE PLANS ARE APPROVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL. BUT THE PD ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY REQUIRES SITE PLANS BE APPROVED AS PART OF THE P AND C AND CITY COUNCIL CONSENT AGENDAS. IN ADDITION TO MEETING ALL APPLICABLE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, REGULATIONS, THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO BE SUBJECT TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE, EXTERIOR LIGHTING ORDINANCE AND ALL APPLICABLE OPERATION RELATED ORDINANCES. AS SUCH, THE COMMISSION IS OBLIGATED UNDER TEXAS STATE LAW TO APPROVE THIS SITE PLAN. WITH THAT, I WILL SAY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS. SO, JAKE, YOU SAY THERE'S NO REZONING AND THERE IS NO SP. YES. SO WE CAN'T REALLY TURN IT DOWN FOR ANY REASONING OR ANY SP REASON. THAT IS CORRECT. THE USE HAS BEEN PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY SINCE 1997 AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO MEETING ALL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OUTLINED IN THAT PD ORDINANCE AS WELL AS ALL OTHER ZONING ORDINANCES. AND THE BUFFERING OR OR IS COMPLIANT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. AND THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
THAT'S 65 DECIBELS. IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO, YES. AND THE LIGHTING HAS TO BE DIRECTED
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AWAY FROM THE HOMEOWNERS. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE LIGHTING THAT'S AN ARTICLE SIX OF THE U DC, UH, CONTROLS ILLUMINATION LEVELS AND SPECIFIC TYPES OF LIGHTING, AS WELL AS A FEW OTHER ITEMS IN THERE AS WELL. AND STAFF REPORTS THAT IT MAY ALL PLANNING PLANNING REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ALL PLANNING REQUIREMENTS. DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS, FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. UH, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT HEALTH. UH COMPLIANCE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. DID YOU GO OVER THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT THEY COULD HAVE? I WILL DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT. FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION. I HAVE THE, UM THE QUIET HOURS, UM, THAT ARE OUTLINED IN OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.BUT AS FOR THE EXACT HOURS OF OPERATION, I'LL DEFER THAT TO THE QUIET HOURS. THE 65 DECIBEL.
UM THAT I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE ON IS IT NO GREATER THAN 65 OR LESS. I THINK IT'S NO GREATER THAN 65 WITHIN THE QUIET HOURS. OK? WHAT IS QUIET HOURS DO IS IT REDUCE THE NOISE OR JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLARIFYING. IT IS WITHIN A QUIET ZONE. UM AND SO WITH WITHIN THAT QUIET ZONE, THERE'S AN ADDED LAYER OF, UH, NOISE. NUISANCE UH, REQUIREMENTS . JAKE MAY HAVE THEM AT THE READY. I'M PULLING THEM UP REAL QUICK. IN CASE YOU'VE GOT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE DIS AND YOU YOU WANNA WALK THROUGH THE DISTANCE FOR THAT, UH, QUIET ZONE AND THE DB H. YEAH, I BELIEVE YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S UH, THE 65 AND BELOW, UM, WITHIN THE QUIET ZONE FOR THE QUIET HOURS.
IT WOULD BE, UH, 10 P.M. TO 7 A.M. SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND THEN 1130 TO 7 ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. ACCORDING TO CITY RULES. I THINK THE HOURS CAN BE ALL MAD. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, CAP ON HOURS. NO. THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY THE CITY. JUST THE QUIET ZONE. WANNA ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR TO, UM, THE WAY THE CITY APPROACHES NOISE STANDARDS. SO JENNIFER ARNOLD'S DESCRIPTION OF IT IS WE'VE GOT TWO ARMS OF OUR NOISE ORDINANCE THAT LOOK AT NOISE. ONE IS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, AND THE OTHER IS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER THE NOISE. NUISANCE SO NOISE. NUISANCE LAWS ARE THE ONES THAT, UM, IF YOU'VE GOT A CODE ENFORCEMENT OR SOMEBODY'S MAKING A LOUD NOISE OR REVVING THEIR ENGINE LATE AT NIGHT OR IN THE MORNING, YOU CAN CALL AND SAY, HEY, THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE NOISE NUISANCE LAW THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T MAKE A RECURRING OBNOXIOUS NOISE TO A REASONABLE PERSON THAT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY CODE. PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ARE THE ONES THAT ALL, UM DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THAT SECTION, 70 SECTION 7120 OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE. AND IT SAYS THAT AT NO POINT AT THE BOUNDING PROPERTY LINE OF A RESIDENTIAL USE SUB SHALL SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL OF ANY OPERATION OR ACTIVITY EXCEEDS 65 DBA FOR DAYTIME HOURS AND 58 DB AT NIGHTTIME AT NO POINT AT THE BOUNDING PROPERTY LINE OF A NON RESIDENTS USE SOUTH. THE SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL OF ANY OPERATION EXCEEDS 70 DB FOR DAYTIME HOURS OR 60 DBA AT NIGHT TIME. THERE IS A DAYTIME HOURS AND THE NIGHT NIGHT NINE HOURS THAT ARE APPLICABLE WITHIN THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT IS FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT AT THE BOUNDING PROPERTY LINE. NOW THAT NUISANCE LAW IS IF SOMEBODY'S JUST MAKING A LOUD CLANGING OR A DOG BARKING OR REVVING THEIR ENGINES. UM THERE'S A WHOLE NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN THERE.
THOSE ARE THE NOISE NUISANCE WHERE THE QUIET ZONE COMES INTO PLACE. SO QUIET ZONE IS WITHIN 500 FT. OF RESIDENTIAL AND THAT MEANS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A NOISE DISTURBANCE. IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS OCCURRING, THAT IS A NOISE DISTURBANCE TO THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE QUESTIONS. ANYONE. SIN JIG, SO I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AND THEN SECOND PART OF THAT, OR WHAT ARE THE FIRE MARSHAL REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MET IN TERMS OF EGRESS FROM THIS PROPERTY OWNED TO VILLAGE SO I AM NOT AWARE OF ALL SPECIFIC STANDARDS WITHIN OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. OUR FIRE MARSHALS OFFICE. THIS USE DID NOT REQUIRE A T I, BUT IT IS MEETING ALL DEVELOPMENT, ENGINEERING STANDARDS AND FIRE MARSHAL. UH, STANDARDS AS FAR AS TO AND FROM THE SITE. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. ANYONE ELSE? OTHER QUESTIONS? THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OF THE SITE. THEIR APPLICANT. I THOUGHT I SAW IT IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH A
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QUESTION ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET CLAR CLARITY ON THAT. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER. MY NAME IS STEVE HOLMER. I'M HOME. OUR ENGINEERING. WE'RE THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT. UM, I SPOKE WITH MY CLIENT AFTER THE LAST MEETING TO CONFIRM THAT THE OPERATING HOURS, HE SAID THE MAJORITY OF THE EVENTS WILL BE ENDING AROUND 11. BUT THERE COULD BE SOME THAT COULD GO TO 12 AND ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.ANYONE ELSE? I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. MR CHAIRMAN. I THINK EVERY ONE OF US HERE ARE PROBABLY VERY SYMPATHETIC WITH ALL THE COMMENTS MADE TONIGHT. HOWEVER, THIS IS JUST AN APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY SO ON. STRIC I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN. 020 S TWO. A MOTION ON MR LOBO APPROVED. THE SITE PLAN IS FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND SECOND BY MR WHATLEY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I'M SORRY, JESSE. I'M SORRY. ANY DISCUSSION. CAST YOUR VOTES. WHEN IS THIS? THIS MOTION, UH, CARRIES THIS OUT, AND WE'LL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE APRIL 2ND CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THE
[Informational Update on the 2024 Bond Election]
NEXT ITEM IS UH, 24-1385. INFORMATION SHARING, UH, TREVOR MINYARD, MINYARD. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION . MY NAME IS TREVOR MYARD. I'LL LET PEOPLE FILTER OUT FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES. OK WE CAN HEAR YOU OK? UM MY NAME IS TREVOR MENARD. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC SERVICES. I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A SHORT UPDATE ON THE MAY BOND ELECTION. FIRST AND FOREMOST CHAIRMAN COX FOR SERVING ON OUR I AM CLICKING AND CLICKING. SORRY. SERVING ON OUR BOND COMMITTEE. THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. BOND COMMITTEE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE ON THE SCREEN. 36 MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY CITIZENRY THAT WERE APPOINTED BY THE MCKINNEY CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023 TO EVALUATE AND CONSIDER AND DISCUSS AND OFFER SUGGESTIONS ON A RANGE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECTS ACROSS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE CITY. UM AS I MENTIONED AND BY WAY, OF EXAMPLE. CHAIRMAN COX SAT ON THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE AND THEN VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY , SAT ON DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND RECEIVED SPECIFIC PROJECT BRIEFINGS BASED ON WHATEVER COMMITTEE THEY WERE ON. THOSE MEETINGS WENT FROM SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER INTO DECEMBER, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. DECEMBER 19TH 2023 , A BOND PACKAGE OF $485.5 MILLION. THE COUNCIL, THEN FEBRUARY 6TH OF THIS YEAR. UH, TOOK THAT RECOMMENDATION MADE NO CHANGES IN APPROVED FIVE SEPARATE PROPOSITIONS, ABC, D AND E FOR A TOTAL OF $485.5 MILLION. I'M GONNA BRIEFLY GO OVER EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPOSITIONS. I WILL NOTE.THERE'S LISTED PROJECTS AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS. UM THOSE ARE FAIRLY IDENTIFIED.
HOWEVER THOSE CAN SHIFT AS THE TIMES CHANGE. SO NOTHING IS LOCKED IN STONE. UM BUT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER AND WE'LL HAVE TIME AT THE END FOR 7106 MILLION DOLLARS FOR PARKS AND RECREATION CONSIDERATION, THE LARGEST OF WHICH IS $60 MILLION FOR A MULTIGENERATIONAL RECREATION FACILITY. THIS IS A FULL SERVICE FULL LIFE FACILITY. IF YOU COULD IMAGINE SOMETHING LIKE THE APEX THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN MIXED WITH A SENIOR CENTER. IT WILL LIKELY BE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR WHERE WE KIND OF HAVE A GAP IN OUR COMMUNITY RECREATION AREAS. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN AT OLD SETTLERS. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN AT TOWN LAKE I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED APEX IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. THIS IS THAT NORTHWEST SECTOR GAP AREA. THERE'S ALSO $25 MILLION IN CONSIDERATION TO DO ALL PHASES OF THE TOWN LAKE MASTER PLAN. TOWN LAKE IS ONE OF OUR ONE OF OUR MOST POPULAR PARKS THAT WE
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HAVE IN THE SYSTEM. UH, THERE HAS BEEN A MASTER PLANNING EFFORT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS BEFORE MR KOWSKI BECAME PRESIDENT KOWSKI AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AND THAT MASTER PLAN UTILIZES SOME NEW CROSSINGS ACROSS THE LAKE. SOME WORK THERE TO THE PLAY STRUCTURES AS WELL AS GETTING INTO THE WOODED AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LAKE. THE GABE 720 MILLION RENOVATION PRIMARILY FOR SOFTBALL USES.HOWEVER SOME AGES OF TEE BALL COACH PITCH BASEBALL COULD BE THERE. I THINK, 12 AND UNDER TO THE SIZE OF THE FIELD, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKING AREA, THE CONCESSION STANDS AND THE GENERAL GATHERING SPACES AROUND THE FACILITY. AND THEN FINALLY, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, PICKLE BALL HAS GAINED A LOT OF POPULARITY, SO THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ADD IN SOME DOLLARS FOR PICKLE BALL. A MILLION DOLLARS. UH, DOESN'T GIVE YOU A TON OF QUARTZ, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW US TO GET, UM SOME COURTS AT A COMMUNITY PARK AND POSSIBLY SOME 7106 MILLION PROPOSITION A FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE STAND-ALONE MUNICIPAL FACILITIES THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION. PROPOSITION B IS TO RECONSTRUCT EXCUSE ME TO HAVE A NEW CONSTRUCTED MUNICIPAL COURT FACILITY. AT $36 MILLION THE CURRENT FACILITY THAT'S JUST A COUPLE BLOCKS SOUTH OF US WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS IN 1966 AND BUILT IN 1967. THERE'S A RANGE OF DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS THAT OPERATE OUT OF THAT FACILITY. THE NEW LOCATION IS SLATED TO BE RIGHT AT 36,000 SQUARE FEET. IF YOU'RE GOOD AT MATH, UH, YOU MAY BE THINKING $1000 PER SQUARE FOOT. HOWEVER THERE IS A PRETTY CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR PARKING, AS WELL AS LAND ACQUISITION INCLUDED IN THAT $36 MILLION TOTAL, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE STANDARD DESIGN AND ENGINEERING 730 MILLION FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS SOUTH CAMPUS RIGHT OFF OF SOUTH COLLEGE, ACROSS FROM THE COLLINS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.
THERE ARE SOME OFFICE SPACE THERE THAT FRONTS COLLEGE AS WELL AS OUR FLEET MATERIALS YARD AND THE ASSOCIATED BUILDINGS WITH THOSE USES BEHIND THE OFFICE SPACE, IT HAS BEEN THERE QUITE A WHILE. THIS IS A FUNDING CONSIDERATION THAT WILL BE ADDED TO OTHER FUNDS TO GIVE THAT A 30 TO 40 YEAR LIFE FROM HERE MOVING FORWARD. PROPOSITION D. IS $70 MILLION IN CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THREE SEPARATE FIRE STATIONS MAKE UP THE BULK OF THE $70 MILLION A RENOVATION TO FIRE STATION THREE AT EL DORADO, AN ORCHID A RECONSTRUCTION OF FIRE STATION EIGHT OVER THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN ADJACENT TO CRAIG RANCH. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, FUTURE FIRE STATION MOST LIKELY IN THAT SAME NORTHWEST SECTOR THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. UH, WHERE THAT GROWTH PATTERN IS HAPPENING, UM, THAT WE'RE SEEING YEAR OVER YEAR. THE NEXT LARGEST DOLLAR AMOUNT THERE IS THE POLICE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING RENOVATION, THE CURRENT PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING OFF OF TAYLOR BURKE, UH, THE FIRE FOLKS ARE MOVING OUT IN. THEY'RE GOING ACROSS THE CREEK, AS I LIKE TO SAY, OR FURTHER TO THE EAST, RIGHT ACROSS FROM LOWE'S, AND ONCE THEY VACATE THEIR SPACES IN THE CURRENT PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, POLICE WILL THEN RENOVATE THAT BUILDING BUILT IN 2005 ISH TO BE SOLELY A POLICE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME RENOVATION THAT HAPPENS ON THE BACKSIDE.
AND THEN FINALLY, TWO SMALLER ITEMS. $5 MILLION FOR FUTURE, UH , LAND ACQUISITION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY USES AGAIN AS WE GROW NORTH AND WEST WILL WANT TO TAKE SOME STRATEGIC TAKEDOWN OF LAND THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SPACE TO ADD FIRE STATIONS IF NECESSARY. AND THEN $5 MILLION FOR A DRIVER DRINK DRIVER TRAINING PAD. IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS UNTIL ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO, BUT IT IS A FACILITY THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SEVENTEENISH INCH CONCRETE SO THAT THE LARGE 1000 PLUS TON APPARATUS THAT ARE PUBLIC SAFETY. OFFICIALS USE THEY CAN GO AND TRAIN AND DO PROCEDURES ON THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO TEAR UP PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. OR PRIVATE PARKING LOTS. UH, THE OTHER OPTION IS THEY CAN GO IN LEASE TIME ACROSS THE COUNTY AND DETERRANT COUNTY DRIVE THE TRUCK THAT FAR COME BACK FOR $1000 AN HOUR OR SO, UM, THAT CITIES OF OUR SIZE HAVE THESE. WE THINK THAT WE WILL LIKELY LOCATE THIS NORTH OF THE JOINT TRAINING FACILITY BETWEEN COLIN COLLEGE, THE CITY OF ALLEN AND THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, ON NORTH OF REDBUD ROAD. THE LARGEST PROPOSITIONS, PROPOSITION. E $243.5 MILLION
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FOR STREETS. THERE ARE TWO GENERAL COMPONENTS TO THIS AND THEY'RE ALWAYS HAS BEEN TWO GENERAL COMPONENTS, EXPANSION OF ROADS AND ROAD RECONSTRUCTION. HOWEVER OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 18 MONTHS, THE CITY COUNCIL , THE MCKINNEY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND MCKINNEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION HAS BEEN MEETING AND ASSESSING HOW TO ADDRESS AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND RECONSTRUCT ROADS DURING THAT TIME. AND THERE WAS SOME ALLOCATION OF SALES TAX TOWARDS NEW CONSTRUCTION TO FREE UP SOME GENERAL FUND DOLLARS ON THE CITY SIDE FOR RECONSTRUCTIONS. PART OF THAT AGREEMENT WAS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD PUT FORTH IN FUTURE BOND PROPOSITIONS MORE MONEY TOWARDS RECONSTRUCTIONS, WHICH IS THE $100 MILLION. YOU SEE THERE IS A 10 YEAR RECONSTRUCTION PROGRAM. IT WILL NOT RECONSTRUCT EVERY STREET IN THE CITY. BUT OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS, THE CITY STAFF AT PUBLIC WORKS AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAVE DONE WHAT IS CALLED A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX SCORING SYSTEM ON EVERY STREET THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SO WE WILL PRIORITIZE THE RECONSTRUCTIONS FROM WORSE TO BEST OVER THE COURSE OF A 10 YEAR PERIOD. IN ADDITION, THERE ARE STILL 140 MILLION PLUS DOLLARS FOR STREET EXPANSIONS. THOSE ARE THE TRADITIONAL, ADDING OF LANES LIKE TO SING IN BOND PACKAGES.THINK OF WHEN LANES FIVE AND SIX WERE REBUILT ON VIRGINIA THAT WAS A 2019 BOND PROGRAM PROJECT.
NO. SO THAT WAS A LOT AND A LITTLE AMOUNT OF TIME. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE SAW, YOU CAN GO TO THAT QR CODE. GO TO THAT LINK MCKINNEY TEXAS.ORG/2024 BOND. THERE'S A ABOUT 16 OR SO PRESENTATIONS THAT ALL THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES SAW THERE'S SOME VIDEOS OF THESE TYPE OF PRESENTATIONS IN MORE DEPTH. AND THEN, UH, ELECTION DAY IS ON MAY 4TH THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PRIMARY ELECTIONS GOING ON, AND THERE'S SOME RUNOFF STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING. THOSE ARE NOT THE SAME ELECTION DAY, SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT THAT THIS IS THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION DAY FOR MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN MAY, SO THAT SATURDAY, MAY 4TH THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER FOR THIS ELECTION IS APRIL 4TH. EARLY VOTING STARTS ON APRIL 22ND AND GOES THROUGH TUESDAY, APRIL 30TH. I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR MOVE ON OUT OF THE WAY. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FOR MR MAYNARD? JESSE THANK YOU. UM, JESSE, I HAVE JESSIE ON MY MIND, TREVOR. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID FOR THE BOND COMMITTEE AND HOW YOU ORGANIZED IT AND YOUR LEADERSHIP. VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE IT, SIR. AND YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING AND AGAIN, IF ALL MY INFORMATION IS ON THE WEBSITE, SO IF SOMETHING COMES UP LATER, I'M HAPPY TO,
[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone a Portion of the Subject Property from “C2” - Local Commercial to “PD” - Planned Development District, Located at 3803 Virginia Parkway (REQUEST TO BE TABLED)]
UH, TALK SHOP. THANK YOU, TREVOR. OK WE'LL MOVE TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM WHICH, UH, HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED TO FIRST ITEM IS 240012. Z, A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING A PROPERTY. FROM C TWO TO PD. THIS IS AT 38 AND THREE VIRGINIA PARKWAY, MR PALMER.WELCOME. ONE IS YOU PRONOUNCE IT CORRECTLY. RODERICK THIS IS YOUR TABLING ITEM. THIS IS THE TABLE. YEAH. GOT YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. THIS ITEM BE TABLED IN CLOSED. DUE TO A NOTICING ERROR. AND WE WILL RENOT THIS YOU'RE GOING TO RENO, OK? SO THERE IS A NOTE SIGNAGE OR SOME NOTIFICATION ERROR. THE ADDRESS LOCATION, OK? RIGHT SO THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED. IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAS MADE THE EFFORT TO BE HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS PARTICULAR REASON, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THE PODIUM OTHERWISE. WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO TABLE AND NOT SING ANYONE JUMP UP. WE ARE SEEING NO ONE'S HERE ON THIS ITEM. WELL THE APPLICANT'S HERE BUT I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY. BUT HE'S FOR BOTH ITEMS, OK? MOTION TO TABLE ITEM 24-00012 C. WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLE THE ITEM. SECOND UNTIL A LATER DATE. DO YOU WANT A DATE CERTAIN OK? MOTION IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN TABLE THE ITEM. DUE TO NOTICING ERRORS BY MS WOODARD . SECOND BY MR WHATLEY. YES. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT MOTION CARRIES ON ITEM HAS BEEN TABLED AND WILL BE
[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Specific Use Permit Request for Vehicle Repair, Minor (Take 5 Oil), Located at 8301 Eldorado Parkway]
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NOTIFIED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. NEXT ITEM IS 24-002. SP PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A SPECIFIC USE. PERMIT REQUESTS FOR VEHICLE REPAIR. TAKE FIVE OIL. THIS IS AT 83 01 ELDORADO PARKWAY, MR PALMER. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. UM APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW MINOR VEHICLE REPAIR BUSINESS ON THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY THE REPOSED TAKE FIVE. ALL IS APPROXIMATELY 1400 SQUARE FEET IN LOCATED AT 83 01. ELDORADO PARKWAY. THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY A MIX OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL FEEL AND HAS NO SINGLE FAMILY USES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. FROM TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE. THE PROPOSED SP MESA DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE CITY, INCLUSIVE OF REQUIRE PLANNING AND THE REQUIRED SCREENING MEASURES. HOWEVER IN OUR REVIEW OF THE USE AT THIS LOCATION, WE FOUND THAT THERE ARE ALREADY THREE AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE REPAIR DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ALL ALONG ELDORADO PARKWAY. CONSIDERING THE PROXIMITY SIMILAR USES TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR CONSIDERING THE PROXIMITY OF THE SIMILAR USES TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT INTRODUCING AN ADDITIONAL AUTO SERVICE REPAIR USE AT THIS SITE, GIVEN THE PROXIMITY OF MINOR VEHICLE REPAIR IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE SP PERMIT AND I STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR PALMER. ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE? RUSS. SO, UM IS IT CORRECT THAT THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION TO THE SITE TO THE SP. THAT IS CORRECT. SO YEAH, I LIVE NEAR THIS SITE, AND, UM, I AM CURIOUS. UM YOU KNOW WHY THE STAFF, UH, FEELS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE TOO MANY, UH, FACILITIES IN IN THE AREA. TO ME, THAT'S JUST COMPETITION. IS THERE ANOTHER REASON THAT I AM NOT CONSIDERING WELL. LIKE WE SAID, THERE IS YOU HAVE THE THREE LOCATIONS THAT ARE JUST RIGHT THERE WITHIN A HALF MILE DISTANCE, ALL WITHIN EACH OTHER, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL LOCATION THAT'S JUST OUTSIDE OF THE HALF MILE LOCATION. IS ALL RIGHT ALONG ELDORADO PARKWAY. UM THE GENERAL AREA OF THE LOCATION HAS A DIFFERENT FEEL FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITE, SO ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING INTO THAT LOCATION HAVE MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL FEEL TO THAT AREA VERSUS THE MINOR VEHICLE REPAIR PROPOSAL THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING IN RIGHT NOW. I ALSO WANTED TO CLARIFY A QUICK POINT. SO WHENEVER WE WERE REVIEWING THIS, WE LIKENED IT TO OTHER AUTO SERVICE USES IS VERY SIMILAR TO CAR WASHES AND CAR WASHES ARE AT A HALF MILE RADIUS THAT WE WOULD THEN REQUIRE THAT SUP SO VERY MUCH LIKE THE CAR WASH. WE WERE LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT BAROMETER OF A DISTANCE. SO UM, WE WERE REVIEWING IT. FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT FROM THAT 0.5 OF A MILE IS WHERE WE WERE.WE WERE DOING THAT MEASUREMENT FROM THANK YOU. MR BAUER IF WE CAN CLARIFY OF THE THREE BUSINESSES THAT YOU GUYS LOOKED AT TWO OF THE THREE ARE NOT IN THE OIL CHANGE BUSINESS, CORRECT. ALL OF THEM PROVIDE ALL OF THEM ARE IN OIL CHANGE BUSINESS, OK, BECAUSE I GUESS HERE THEN I'M MISREADING. HOW THIS IS HERE. I. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT POINT. I THINK, UH, MANY OF THE OTHER ONES MAY BE FOCUS ON DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE TIRE TIRE CHANGES. UM AND INSPECTIONS. HOWEVER FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, THOSE ARE ALL CONSIDERED AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR . SO THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME CATEGORY OF USE FROM OUR WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR REVIEW, WHETHER IT IS OIL OR TIRE OR LUBIN TUNE, THAT'S UM WE'RE AGNOSTIC TO THAT . WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT IT'S AUTO REPAIR AND JENNIFER. TO THAT POINT, THE SPECIFIC USE IS TIED TO THE FACT THAT IT IS AUTO. PAIR BUT THE MAINTENANCE OF CHANGING YOUR OIL IS JUST VIEWED THAT WAY BY THE CITY. IS THAT CORRECT STATEMENT? CORRECT, OK. AND SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO HERE IN THE PRESENTATION SAYS TWO OF THE THREE ARE NOT OIL CHANGE FOCUSED , SO I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, BUT THAT JUST MAKE SURE THAT SO HAVE DRIVER'S EDGE AND BRAKES. PLUS
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SO THEY DON'T DO ANY OIL CHANGE AT ALL. THEN OR I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY DO. I DON'T KNOW THEIR BUSINESS MODELS, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT MOST FOLKS THAT DO ANY MORE ANY SORT OF AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR OR AUTOMOTIVE WORK INCLUDE OIL CHANGES, BUT THE PRIMARY BUSINESS IS DIFFERENT.PROBABLY THAN TAKE FIVE OIL THAT IS THEIR BREAD AND BUTTER BUSINESS. BUT DRIVER'S EDGE.
NORTEC PROBABLY DO, UM, OIL CHANGES BUT ALSO OTHER TYPE OF REPAIR WORK. OK, THANK YOU. HOW MANY OF THESE HAVE GARAGE DOORS OPENING TO THE STREET. NONE OF THEM. AND THIS IS APPLYING FOR OPEN TO THE STREET. THIS ONE IS PROPOSING. THEIR GARAGE DOORS TO OPEN TO THE STREET. THE OTHER THREE. DO NOT. I THINK SOME OTHER OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS HAVE SIDE OPENINGS. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? RODERICK. THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE OUR APPLICANT TO COME UP AND WE MAY WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP. OK? I'LL JUST TRY. OH, COUNCIL. GARY JOHNSON, 6901 LAMON DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 75248 AND WITH PEAK DEVELOPMENT MY COMPANY RECENTLY ACQUIRED THE 18 ACRES AT THIS INTERSECTION, AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE IS PRETTY MUCH THE UPDATED SITE PLAN OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SOME OF THE C PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF, SOME OF THEM STAFF HAVE SEEN ARE IN THE WORKS ON IN THE BACK. THERE IS A GYM THAT'S GOING IN THERE. DAYCARE. TRADER JOE'S TAX ON TAX FOR THE CORNER. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THAT IS GOING TO LAND. YOU HAVE CHIPOTLE. YOU HAVE STARBUCKS, TIM HORTONS. YOU HAVE ALL THESE NATIONAL PLAYERS GOING ACROSS. YOU HAVE A BEST IN CLASS CAR WASH GOING IN. THAT IS A SITE PLAN APPROVED SUPERSTAR IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPOSED TAKE FIVE AND THEN A BOJANGLES NEXT TO THAT, UM, AND THEN ONE PAD LEFT THAT WE ARE HOLDING OUT FOR BEST IN CLASS. SOMEBODY IS EXCITING THAT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE HAD SOME SOME TENANTS COME IN, BUT WE WERE NOT REALLY HAPPY WITH THEIR USE OR WHAT THEY BROUGHT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE'VE TURNED THEM DOWN. WE ARE TRYING TO GET A BANK. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, UM BUT THEY'RE A LITTLE SLOW TO MOVE THESE DAYS. IF WE FOCUS IN AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE THE FOUR PADS THAT ARE FRONTING. UH EL DORADO ACROSS FROM HEB AND HIGHLIGHTED IS THE TAKE FIVE. AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR POINT. IF WE SWITCHED THE BAY DOORS, WE WERE GOING TO LOSE THE BOJANGLES DEAL. UM YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS JUST HOW WE LAID IT OUT BECAUSE ALL OF THEM ARE RUNNING NORTH SOUTH. UM AND THEY ALL KIND OF FIT WITH THE FIRE LANE RUNNING THERE, AND THE FIRE LANE RUNNING AND BACK OR FIRE TRUCKS CAN CIRCULATE, YOU KNOW, TRAVERSE THERE'S NO BACKUP ON THE STREETS. SO THAT IS WHY THEN PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UH, I WANNA THANK UH, CAITLYN JENNIFER FOR TAKING THE TIME LAST WEEK TO WALK THROUGH THEIR RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT AND EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR, UH WHAT THEIR DECISION WAS GOING TO BE AND HOW THEY GOT THERE. UM IF YOU LOOK AT THE THREE, SAID AUTOMOTIVE LOCATIONS THEY ARE ALL JUST UNDER 0.5 MILES, WITH DRIVERS EDGE BEING JUST OUTSIDE OF IT. UM, LIKE I SAID, IN IN, UH, LIKE THE COMMISSIONER WOODWARD MENTIONED DRIVERS. EDS.
AND BRAKES FOCUS ON BRAKES. AND UH, TIRES. THEY DO NOT FOCUS ON OIL CHANGES. UH, WHEREAS TAKE FIVE IS MAINLY OIL FOCUSED SOLELY ON OIL CHANGE, WITH NO OVERNIGHT CARS IN THEIR BAYS.
EVERYBODY LEAVES. THESE OTHER GROUPS HAVE CARS OVERNIGHT. UM. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU KNOW, CAR WASH. I GET YOU KNOW, CAR EVERY CAR WASH IS THE SAME. BUT AUTOMOTIVES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM SO THERE IS THIS WILL BREED COMPETITION ALSO BRING A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW. AND, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA AS GREAT FOR AN AUTOMOTIVE NEXT TO A CAR WASH IS NO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES ANYWHERE NEAR IT. IT IS NOT ABUTTING ANYTHING. THERE IS NO SCREENING ISSUES. THERE IS NO ONE HERE IN OPPOSITION. I THINK IT IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR A OIL CHANGE. I HAVE ALSO TALKED TO
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STONEBRIDGE RANCH. UH, WHO'S THE HO? A THAT IS IN CHARGE OF THIS AREA WHO THE MAYOR IS ON.OBVIOUSLY I HAD A MEETING WITH THEM SHOWED THEM MY SITE PLAN. TOLD THEM MY TENANTS. THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION, NO CONCERNS. NO HE JUST SAID, OBVIOUSLY SEE YOU AT AT COUNCIL, WHICH I'M HOPEFULLY I WILL, UH I DID REACH OUT TO, UH, COUNCILMAN CLOUTIER ABOUT HIS CONCERNS SINCE HIS DISTRICT, HE JUST SAID. YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE IT LOOKS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A RUNDOWN OIL SHOP WHICH YOU KNOW WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR TENANT ON UM SO ON THE LEFT. THESE ARE PROTO ELEVATIONS THAT YOU'VE SEEN ALL AROUND ALL THESE CITIES. TAKE FIVE ALL CHANGE. EIS DOO. KIND OF PLAIN JANE. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, IS THE MORE UPGRADED MODEL OF PITCH ROOFS, BRICK A LITTLE BIT CLEANER. A LITTLE BIT NICER. A LITTLE BIT MORE ARCHITECTURALLY, YOU KNOW, PLEASING TO THE EYE, WHICH OUR TENANT HAS, YOU KNOW, AGREED TO DO WHATEVER. IT IT TAKES WITHIN REASON TO GET IN, YOU KNOW, TO GET YOU GUYS' APPROVAL TONIGHT. UM WHICH WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF AS WELL AS THE STONE BRIDGE TO GET THAT HONED IN. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR JOHNSON. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU COME TO NINE AND WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS PROPOSED. UH, REZONE, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. I'M SORRY.
UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU HAVE A MOTION ON MR LEBA TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, MR. BUT IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. THE MOTION CARRIES A PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED. WE HAVE QUESTIONS OF, UH, THE APPLICANT OR OF STAFF. I HAVE A COMMENT, AND THAT IS JUST SIMPLY THAT THIS IS A VERY COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. UM YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I LIVE NEARBY AND, UH AND AWARE OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, UH, AROUND IT, AND, UM . I WOULD WELCOME UM, COMPETITION IN THE AREA FOR VEHICLE SERVICES. UM IT'S A IT'S A DENSE, DENSELY POPULATED AREA AND GIVEN THE NATURE OF THIS QUARTER. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. I CAN I HAVE A QUESTION. WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO PREVENT OPEN BAY DOORS FACING STREETS. WHAT'S OUR ORDINANCE RELATED TO THESE OPEN BAY DOORS? I MEAN, IS THAT WHY WE'RE PROVING THE SUP? I KNOW IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE TYPE THING, TOO, RIGHT? SO UH, ALONG THAT AREA SO THAT THE THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS REGARDING THE SCREENING AS FAR AS THE WHEN THE DOORS ARE CLOSED, THEY HAVE TO APPEAR AS A HAVE TO APPEAR AS A WINDOW WHEN THE DOORS ARE CLOSED, AND THEY HAVE TO INCREASE THE SCREENING ALONG THE FRONT AND SHOULDER HAS TO BE THE TREES HAVE PLANTED HAVE TO BE INCREASED AS A RATE OF 1 TO 30 ALONG THAT FRONTAGE. SO THERE'S A FIVE OR SEVEN TREES UP THERE. THANK YOU, RODERICK. I CAN APPRECIATE WHERE THE STAFF IS COMING FROM. BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT IS MARKET DRIVEN. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
AGREE. WELL, I. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. AND THE POINT OF WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN EL DORADO , YOU GET PAST LAKE FOREST. IT'S ABOUT FIVE AUTOMOTIVES PLACES IN THAT AREA. AND PROBABLY THE WORST LOOKING ONE IS THE ALL CHANGE PLACE WITH THE BAY DOORS FACING THE STREET. UM IT'S JUST IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE OIL CHANGE. THOSE BUSINESSES WHEN THEY START LOOKING BAD, THEY REALLY LOOK BAD. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO OVER ON WHITE STREET, JUST A LITTLE EAST. OF 75. THAT ONE LOOKS BAD AND WHEN YOU HAVE A MAJOR ARTERIES COMING INTO THE CITY, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THAT LOOKS WELL. LOOKS GOOD FOR THE CITY. UM, ON HIGHWAY FIVE. BETWEEN ELM STREET AND INDUSTRIAL THERE WAS A ALL CHANGE PLACE BUILT THERE AND IT'S NOBODY'S NEVER BEEN IN
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THERE. IT'S JUST AN EMPTY BUILDING SITTING THERE. SO IT'S EVEN HARD TO MOVE ON FROM THOSE STRUCTURES TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE, SO I I'LL VOTE NOW. ANYONE ELSE? I JUST LIKE TO ADD, I THINK, UM AM IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. I FEEL LIKE TAKE FIVE HAS A VERY GOOD BRAND RECOGNITION. THERE'S A TAKE FIVE IF I'M CORRECT AT GRAVES IN 380 OVER BY SAM'S, WHICH I'VE BEEN TO BEFORE. I DON'T RECALL HOW LONG THAT ONE HAS BEEN THERE, BUT THEY'VE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THEIR PROPERTY LOOKING VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING DESPITE HAVING THE BAY DOORS THAT FACE UM WEST AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE A TAKE FIVE RIGHT ACROSS FROM RAYTHEON. THAT IT TAKE FIVE ON THE CORNER. CAN'T RECALL. I BELIEVE THAT'S ANOTHER TAKE FIVE. AND SO MY EXPERIENCE WITH THEM IS THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT LOOKING RUN DOWN. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT DESERTED. UM SO, I. I SUPPORT THIS AS WELL. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR COMPETITION. YOU SAY THE BAY DOORS SPACE FROM THE BAY DOORS ON GRAVES THEY FACE WEST. AWAY FROM SO THEY ARE FACING GRAVES FACING SAM'S, BASICALLY, UM YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS WITH THIS LOT SIZE. I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT THEY COULD REALLY RESTRUCTURE THE DOORS IN THE OTHER WAY. SO I'M THINKING THAT WITH THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS THAT SHOULDN'T BE THAT AESTHETICALLY. YEAH. SO THE COMMENTS. ANYONE. IT IS A CHALLENGING SITE TO DEVELOP. TAKE FIVE DOES HAVE A REPUTATION OF BEING ONE OF THE MORE OUTSTANDING OIL CHANGE COMPANIES. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING MCKINNEY VERY MUCH. THE COMMENTS IN THE REPORT ABOUT HALF A MILE RADIUS SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE, CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDS WHERE STAFF IS COMING FROM. STEPH ALWAYS HAS THE CITY'S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. THEY CAN'T BE FAULTED FOR THAT. HOWEVER, BEING A SPECIFIC OIL CHANGE COMPANY. VERSUS THROWN IN THE BUCKET OF AUTOMOTIVE WITH CAR WASHES MAY NOT BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT. I SUPPORT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING. ANYONE ELSE MOTIONS.TO OF THE SP AND SLATE OUT. HAVE A MOTION BY MR PUTNER TO APPROVE. AND THE SPS PER APPLICANT REQUEST. SAY THAT AGAIN, INCLUDING UH, THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. RIGHT? NOW SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR BUTNER. SECOND BY MR TAYLOR. ANY DISCUSSION ANYONE. THESE CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES ABOUT ORDER FIVE IN FAVOR AND TWO AGAINST THAT MOTION WILL BE SENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FOR UH, THAT FINAL ACTION AT THE APRIL 16TH 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 1620 24. OK THE NEXT ITEM IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO ADDRESS PLANNING AND ZONING ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT, UH, STAFF ANYTHING. GREATLY. JENNIFER WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
NICE WORK. NICE WORK. THANK YOU. WE DO APPRECIATE IT. EVERYBODY HAS A WONDERFUL EASTER.
WONDERFUL EASTER. HAPPY EASTER, EVERYONE. WITH THAT WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN MR TAYLOR TO ADJOURN, MR WHATLEY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION LEAST CAST YOUR VOTE.
RIGHT IS 719 THAT MOTION
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