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GOOD AFTERNOON. TODAY IS TUESDAY . APRIL 1620 24, WE'RE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THIS IS OUR CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. IT IS 306 IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE AT 222 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET AND,
[Proclamation for Administrative Professionals Day & Week]
OF COURSE, THE GREAT CITY OF MCKINNEY. FIRST ITEM IS AN INFORMATION SHARING ITEM. 24 1428 PROCLAMATION FOR ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY AND WEEK. THEY KIND OF. I KNOW.OH, SO YOU ARE ALL NOT HERE JUST TO WITNESS THE GOOD WORK OF THIS COUNCIL. THIS IS I. THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM IS THOUGH, RIGHT? OK? ALL RIGHT. SO DAVID MCKINNEY PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS WEEK AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED ANNUALLY SINCE THE POST WORLD WAR TWO ERA BY THE UNITED STATES, SECRETARY OF COMMERCE AND THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS. WHERE, AS ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS FOR SUPPORTING IN AN OFFICE ENVIRONMENT AND FOR FURTHERING THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF ANY GIVEN PROFESSION. WHEREAS ADMINISTRATIVE WORK INCLUDES A WIDE VARIETY OF DUTIES, SUCH AS OFFICE AND ORGANIZATIONAL MANAGEMENT RECEPTION SERVICES IN CLIENT ENGAGEMENT, CLERICAL WORK AND RECORDS, MAINTENANCE. THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE TO THE FRONT-LINE RECEPTION. TEAM RECEPTIONIST TEAM MANY DIFFERENT JOB TITLES THROUGHOUT AN ORGANIZATION INCORPORATE SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTS OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALISM WITHIN THEIR ROLES. WHEREAS AS ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS CONTRIBUTE TO TEAM ORIENTED WORK ENVIRONMENTS IN OUR NATURAL ENGAGEMENT AMBASSADORS, WE PROUDLY ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR EFFORTS IN ADVANCING THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S OR ORGANIZATIONAL VISION, VALUES AND GOALS AND PROVIDING EXCEPTIONAL SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. NOW THEREFORE , I GEORGE FULLER, BY THE POWER VESTED IN ME, AS THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS WE TO BE THE WEEK OF APRIL 22ND TO 26 2024 ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY TO BE WEDNESDAY, APRIL 24TH.
2024 IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS, WITNESSED MY HAND SEAL THE 16TH DAY OF APRIL 2024.
THANK YOU. WE HAVE TO THAT. READY, 12. I MR MARA, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THAT SUBTLE REMINDER TO THE REMAINDER OF THE COUNCIL. I THINK ALL RIGHT. FIRST I WILL
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NOW MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS. BRUCE MEAD ITEM 241430. I'LL DEFER COMMENTS AS BACKUP TO THE LEARNING GARDEN DISCUSSION. OK UM, THAT'S FINE, UH, LIONEL GREGORY SMITH. MAYOR COUNCIL. UH, MY NAME IS GREG SMITH. I'VE BEEN A MCKINNEY RESIDENT FOR ALMOST 24 YEARS. I WAS ON ONE OF THE FOUNTAIN, ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE PARKS FOUNDATION. AND UH, THAT'S SINCE 2017. WE HAVE BEEN PARTNERS IN THIS IDEA FOR THE EAST MCKINNEY LEARNING GARDEN SINCE THE IDEA CAME UP, SO I THINK IT'S WORTHY WORK. WE'LL GET THE VOLUNTEERS TO DO IT. IT WILL TRANSFORM THE SPACE AND TRANSFORM LIVES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. RIGHT.[DISCUSS AGENDA ITEMS for the City Council Regular Meeting to be held on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. ]
DISCUSS AGENDA ITEMS FOR CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY WITH MUCH OF STAFF HERE TO GET CLARITY OR DISCUSS ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. MR MAYOR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO PULL DOWN 24 145 0, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCILMAN. WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS? CAN I ASK FOR YOU? AS YOU KNOW, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE BIDS ON THIS AND THE BIDS. ALL[00:05:02]
WERE KIND OF GROUPED TOGETHER AND THERE WAS ONE BID THAT WAS PROFOUND. THE AND I GOT SOME INQUIRIES ABOUT THIS FROM CITIZEN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AS FAR AS STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN ACCEPTING THIS BID. YEAH. SO, UM THIS WAS ABOUT A 720 MILLION PROJECT FOR THE UTILITY RELOCATIONS ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE, AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF ABOUT $16 MILLION. THE NEXT LOW BID WAS ABOUT $23 MILLION. WHEN WE SEE BIDS LIKE THAT. IT IS AN INSERT RED FLAG FOR STAFF. WE ARE DID THEY MISS SOMETHING ON THEIR BID? DID THEY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE ASKING THEM TO DO ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO AS PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE WE BRING A RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD THE COUNCIL WE HAVE OUR CONSULTING TEAM GO OUT AND CHECK THE REFERENCES THAT THE CONTRACTORS PROVIDE. SO THIS CONTRACTOR PROVIDED FOR REFERENCES TO OR WITH THE CITY OF ANNA, ONE WITH A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, AND ONE WAS WITH SIG MESQUITE. WE COULD NOT GET A HOLD OF CITY MESQUITE FOR THEIR RESPONSE, BUT ANNA HAD GLOWING REVIEWS OF THIS CONTRACTOR PRIVATE DEVELOPER GLOWING REVIEWS OF THEIR CONTRACTOR. ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER ON OUR STAFF THAT HAD WORKED IN ANOTHER CITY WHERE THEY HAD WORKED, SO WE CHECKED BACK WITH THEM AGAIN GOT ANOTHER POSITIVE REVIEW. EVEN THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF BEING A LOW BID. UM IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. WE GET YOU KNOW, I MEAN, $7 MILLION OF SAVINGS ON A PROJECT. THAT'S GREAT. UM SO BUT SO IF YOU GOT DUE DILIGENCE, WE ALSO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE BROUGHT THE FACTOR IN AND REVIEWED THE SCOPE AND SCHEDULE WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR AS PART OF THE PROJECT THROUGH THAT, DUE DILIGENCE. WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE EXECUTE THE PROJECT FOR US. THANK YOU FOR[Update on Lower 5 Plaza]
THAT. WE WILL MOVE NOW TO REGULAR WORK SESSION. 9241429 UPDATE ON LOWER FIVE PLAZA. ALL RIGHT. I'M BACK. GET UP. YEAH UM , GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE WANT TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE, UH, ON THE LOWER FIVE PLAZAS SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE IN DECEMBER. WE HAVE HAD A FEW DEVELOPMENTS AND I WANT TO KEEP EVERYBODY UP TO UP TO DATE ON, UH, HOW THIS PROJECT IS PROGRESSING. UM, FIRST, IS, UM MY SLIDE OUT OF ORDER. I APOLOGIZE. THE FIRST THING IS SOME KEY TAKEAWAYS. UM WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WALKS AWAY FROM THE MEETING TODAY, UNDERSTANDING WE CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THE GREAT PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH TECH.IN, THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS ON THIS PROJECT. UM THE FIRST KIND OF DESIGN PHASE IS HAPPENING. WE'VE GOT A PRELIMINARY DESIGN OF A BRIDGE THAT WILL BE OVER THE PLAZA TO TEXT OUT. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. UM AND THEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTATION DOCUMENTATION PROCESS IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN HOPEFULLY LATER THIS YEAR. UM SO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, UM, THAT WHERE WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT 6 TO 9 MONTHS TO DO ONCE WE GET THAT GOING, AND THEN DURING THAT PROCESS, THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE TIMES. WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF COUNSEL GIVING THE COUNCIL AN UPDATE ON HOW THAT THIS IS GOING THAT CAN BE A CRITICAL STEP IN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT. UM START WITH THE GRAPHIC. WE HAVE SHOWN MULTIPLE TIMES OR WHAT THE PROJECT COULD LOOK LIKE. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE COULD THIS HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED ? WE HAVE NOT HAD COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT TO GET THE ELEMENTS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS A PART OF THIS PROJECT. WE WILL DO THAT WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THE DESIGN PROCESS YOU WILL SEE LATER WHEN WE BRING UP THE SCHEDULE. THIS IS A LONG DRAWN OUT PROJECT. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. SO WE WANNA DELAY THE DESIGN OF THE ACTUAL, UH, LOWER FIVE PLAZA UNTIL WE GET CLOSER TO THAT CONSTRUCTION PROCESS SO WE CAN GET ELEMENTS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AT THAT TIME, WE COULD RUSH OUT AND DO A DESIGN NOW, BUT IT'S GONNA SIT ON THE SHELF FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SO WE WANT TO DELAY THAT THAT PROCESS.SO AGAIN. THIS IS JUST WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, NOT WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE FOR SURE.
PARTNERSHIPS. MENTIONED A SECOND AGO. THIS HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE COG THE TEXTILE IN THE CITY. UM THE COGS START OFF WITH A PLEDGE TO BRING $30 MILLION TO THE PROJECT. THEY IN CONJUNCTION WITH CITY OF DALLAS, APPLIED FOR FOUR PROJECTS THROUGH A GRANT PROGRAM CALLED THE RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES. GRANT IT WAS PART OF THE BIDE ADMINISTRATION. UH, INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS, UH, THAT THAT PUMPED A LOT OF MONEY OUT INTO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO DO THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND SO THE RECONNECTING COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOODS, GRANT UM TARGET APPLIED FOR $95 MILLION WORTH OF FUNDING TO FUND FOUR PROJECTS THREE IN DALLAS AND OUR PROJECT HERE IN MCKINNEY, THEY HAD $95 MILLION OF OTHER FEDERAL MONEY THAT THEY HAD ACCESS TO THAT THE COLLEAGUE HAS ACCESS TO THAT USED AS THE 50% MATCH FOR THE PROJECT. UM THE COUNCIL OF
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GOVERNMENTS WAS, UH, STATICEC TO HEAR THAT THEY GOT IT FUNDED, AWARDED A PROJECT OF 80 MILLION SO NOT THE FULL 95, BUT, UH, A BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO CLOSE THE GAP ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS. SO THE MAYOR WAS ATTENDED AN EVENT. UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, I THINK WITH SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION BUTTIGIEG, UM AND KICKING OFF AND CELEBRATING, UH, DALLAS AND MCKINNEY ON ON OUR AWARD OF THIS PROJECT. SO, UH, IT LOOKED LIKE A REALLY NEAT EVENT. UM SO THE 715 MILLION OF THAT $80 ON THE MCKINNEY PROJECT AND WILL USE THE YOU KNOW, FIND THE MISSING 15 MILLION AND THE REMAINING FUNDS TO FUND THE DALLAS PROJECT. SO WITH THE MATCH THAT THEY HAD ALREADY SET ASIDE PLUS THE $15 MILLION FROM THE COMMUNITY, RECONNECTING WITH COMMUNITIES GRANT PROGRAM WE HAVE OUR $30 MILLION IN CAAS EARMARKED FOR THE PROJECT. WE'RE READY TO GO. WE'VE GOT A FUNDING SOURCE IDENTIFIED OFF TO THE RACES. LET'S GET THIS THING GOING. UM TECH DOT FOR THEIR PART. UM THEY'RE GONNA BE STARTING THE BRIDGE DESIGN. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND, UM, WHERE THAT IS, BUT, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO ALSO CONSTRUCT THAT BRIDGE AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT. UM, THAT WILL BE THE BRIDGE DESIGN WILL BE FUNDED OUT OF TEXT. STATE DOLLARS. THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE WILL BE FUNDED OUT OF THIS $30 MILLION THAT WAS AWARDED TO THE PROJECT IS ALSO GOING TO LEAD THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT PROCESS FOR US AND DO THE RIGHT WAY ACQUISITION AND RELOCATE THE BUSINESSES FOR THE PROJECT. FOR OUR PART. WE NEEDED TO COME UP WITH A BRIDGE DESIGN. WE'VE COMPLETED THAT AND I'LL SHARE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. UM WE WILL HAVE TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT A DRAINAGE SYSTEM. UH, THAT WILL SUPPORT THIS LOWER FIVE PLAZA. WE WILL ALSO HAVE TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED TO CREATING THE CANVAS OF WHAT THIS LOWER FIVE PLAZA WILL GO INTO. AND THEN FINALLY, WE WILL HAVE TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT A PLAZA AMENITIES WHICH WOULD BE SEPARATE AND FUNDED OUTSIDE THAT $30 MILLION, SO IT HAS TO BE A CITY FUND PROCESS. SO THE FIRST STEP THAT THAT'S UNDERWAY. IS THIS PRELIMINARY BRIDGE DESIGN SO TEXT THAT SAID, WE'LL DESIGN THE BRIDGE, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO USING THE CONCEPT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AS THE FOOTPRINT, WE SAID THIS IS WHAT THE BRIDGE WILL LOOK LIKE. SO UM, I'M GONNA ANNOTATE ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. UM THIS BLUE ALONG THE EDGES THAT'S GONNA REPRESENT A CURVED EDGE OF THE BRIDGE. YOU WILL SEE THAT THE OUTSIDE ELEMENTS OF THIS BRIDGE, UM WE HAVE GOT THE PAVEMENT IN GRAY WITH THE LANES SO YOU'LL SEE TWO LANES, EACH DIRECTION WITH TWO LEFT TURN LANES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS GREEN AREA HERE. THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR SOME LANDSCAPING. WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE THIS. AND THEN THIS BLUE OUT HERE IS GONNA BE THE SIDEWALK, SO THAT'S THE ELEMENTS OF WHAT THE BRIDGE WILL LOOK LIKE. NOW THE BRIDGE IS FROM HERE TO HERE. SO IT'S SOUTH OF VIRGINIA AND NORTH OF LOUISIANA. IT'S ROUGHLY 100. 120 FT IN WIDTH THROUGH THERE, SO THAT IS THE FOOTPRINT THAT YOU KNOW TEXTILE IS GOING TO BE DESIGNING. UM THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT. WELL, LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING ON THE BRIDGE. WE HAVE SUBMITTED THIS TO TECH. DO THEY PROVIDED A FEW COMMENTS BACK TO US? WE WERE FINALIZING THIS. BUT TECH DO IS NOW TAKING THIS FOOTPRINT TO THEIR DESIGN CONSULTANT HDR THAT IS DOING THE DESIGN FOR THE REST OF THE ROADWAY. AND THEY ARE SCOPING THAT CHANGE ORDER INTO THEIR PROJECT NOW TO DO THE BRIDGE DESIGN. SO THAT IS THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. TECH START IS GOING TO LEAD THE PROCESS. LIKE I SAID THAT HAS NOT BEEN SCOPED YET. AND WE HOPE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO START THAT SCOPING HERE PRETTY SOON WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM, THE A FA THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE. THAT'S CRITICAL TO MOVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS FORWARD, BUT HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE THAT THAT SCOPING PROCESS HAPPENS SOON. WE WANT TO BE A PARTNER OF THAT BECAUSE ON ANY TEXTILE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS, THEY TYPICALLY HAVE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS. THEY WILL DO THEIR ORIGINAL. UH FIRST. HERE IS THE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT AS TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING. THAT PUBLIC MEETING AND THEY GATHER COMMENTS AND THEN THEY GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS FINAL UP AND THEY DO A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. THEY SAY OK, PUBLIC THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT, AND THEY'LL GET THE FINAL COMMENTS. BUT IMAGINE TECH DOT COMING TO A PUBLIC MEETING AND COMING WITH THIS BRIDGE DESIGN, SAYING HERE PUBLIC, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD. THAT'S NOT GOING TO GENERATE ANY INTEREST FROM THE FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO WE WANT TO BE A PARTNER. AS PART OF THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE WILL SUPPLEMENT UM WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH IMAGES AND GRAPHICS THAT SHOW THAT THE INTENT OF WHAT THE COUNCIL IS TRYING TO CREATE WITH THIS LOWER FIVE PLAZA. SO AGAIN, IT WON'T BE THE FINAL DESIGN. BUT IT'S GONNA BE A BUNCH OF RENDERINGS. LIKE WHAT WE SHOWED AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT GRAPHIC OF WHAT THE PART COULD LOOK LIKE TO CAPTURE THE ESSENCE AND WHAT WE COULD CREATE IN THIS PARK WHEN WE GET TO THE FINAL DESIGN[00:15:02]
PROCESS. UM THAT PROCESS WE THINK IS GONNA TAKE 6 TO 9 MONTHS. TAX STOCK IS GOING TO BE IN CONTROL OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT THE INITIAL SCHEDULE THEY TOLD US, THOUGH, BUT ONCE WE KNOW MORE WE'LL BE. WE'LL BE PASSING THAT ON. UM AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS ONCE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMPLETED, AND WE GET THE FINAL DOCUMENT FROM TECH STOCK, WE'RE GONNA BE BACK IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AND WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU THE FINDINGS SO YOU CAN MAKE IT INFORMED DECISION ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT TEXT OUT IS NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL AT THAT TIME, SO THERE WILL BE A KEY DECISION POINT AT THE END OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. THIS IS THE COST SUMMARY SLIDE THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR THE LAST COUPLE PRESENTATIONS. YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL PART COST IS GONNA BE A 40 TO $45 MILLION LIFT. THE INFRASTRUCTURE COST IS AT 25 TO $30 MILLION. WE HAVE ESTIMATED PART COST AGAINST PART COST SEPARATELY OF $15 MILLION WITH ANNUAL OPERATING MAINTENANCE OF 2 $2.5 MILLION RANGE. UM, I MENTIONED THIS A SECOND AGO. THIS THIS ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT. THIS IS AN AGREEMENT WITH TECH DOT THAT PUTS EARMARKS MONEY FOR THE PROJECT, SO THEY ARE TAKING THE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT THEY HAVE OF THE $15 MILLION THAT THE COLLEAGUE ALREADY HAS IN THEIR POCKET A FEDERAL DOLLARS. THEY ARE PUTTING THIS TOWARDS THE PROJECT PROJECT, AND, UM, AND THEN THEY THEY'RE TAKING A LOCAL MATCH OF 20% AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. UM AND WE'RE EXECUTING THIS AGREEMENT. UM THE $9.8 MILLION WILL FUND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY. SO THAT IS WHAT KICKS IT OFF THE ENGINEERING ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UM THE OVERALL PROJECT AND THEN FOR THE TEXTILES PORTION OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN THE RIDE AWAY. UH UH, ACQUISITION THERE IS A CITY OBLIGATION A LOCAL MATCH OF 1.6 MILLION. BUT IF YOU KNOW THERE'S NO DOLLAR SIGN THERE, THAT'S ON PURPOSE. IT'S NOT A TYPO. THESE ARE NOT DOLLARS. WE'RE DOING LOCAL MATCH. THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT CREDITS. THE TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT CREDITS ARE A LITTLE FUNNY, SAYING THEY COME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE COG AND THE COG EMISSIONS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO USE IN LIEU OF DOLLARS AS LOCAL MATCHES ON PROJECTS. SO THIS IS WHAT THEIR INTENT IS FOR. WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT EVERY FEW YEARS FROM THE COG THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM. WE ARE APPLYING THESE FROM 71.96 MILLION IS 20% OF THE 9.8 MILLION. PLUS, THERE ARE SOME TEXTILE FEES IN THERE, TOO. UM WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE HIGHWAY FIVE PROJECT. TEXTILE IS NOW TAKING THAT PROJECT AND I'VE GOT IT BROKEN INTO TWO COLORS HERE ON THE SCREEN, BLUE SUCTION AND GREEN SECTION THAT GOES FROM COUNTRY CLUB ALL THE WAY UP TO 380. UM THEY'RE CALLING THE GREEN SEGMENT THE FIRST SEGMENT. NOW THEY'VE CHANGED THE NAME FROM HIGHWAY FIVE TO THE SPUR 399 PHASE ONE. WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THAT IS THAT'S FOR 399 IS THE EXTENSION THAT'S GOING TO GO DOWN AND AROUND THE AIRPORT, SO THEY'RE GONNA KICK OFF THE DESIGN OF THE FACE THAT GOES DOWN AND AROUND THE AIRPORT, AND I GOT IT DASHED OUT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THE ALIGNMENT IN GREEN WHERE THAT'S GONNA GO. YOU'RE GOING TO START WHEN THIS PARTS BUILT. YOU'RE GONNA START TO SEE PART OF THE FREEWAY THAT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO GO DOWN AND AROUND THE AROUND THE AIRPORT. ALSO BE SEGMENTS OF HIGHWAY FIVE AS TRADITIONAL HIGHWAY FIVE BEING BUILT SOUTH OF 390 OR 399 DOWN TO FAIRVIEW. SO FOUR LANE DIVIDED UM, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A PIECE GOING UP FROM HARRY MACKILLOP NORTH IS SIX LANES. AND THEN ONCE IT GOES NORTH OF EL DORADO, IT'S GONNA TRANSITION TO THE FOUR LANE TECH START IS GOING TO BID THAT PROJECT IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, SO VERY EXCITING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY START TO SEE MOVEMENT ON THAT FREEWAY PROJECT IN MCKINNEY, UH, STARTING EARLY NEXT YEAR. UM THE SECOND PHASE IN BLUE. UH, THEY'RE CALLING HIGHWAY FIVE PHASE ONE MOMENT AND I'M SO SORRY. THE WHERE WE SEE THE DOTTED GREEN LINE FOR 399. IT LOOKS LIKE IT STARTS TAKING OVER . WHAT I THINK IS HARRY MACKILLOP. AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT IS THAT CAN BECOME THE SAME ROAD. AM I WRONG? UM SO THERE WILL BE PORTIONS OF HARRY MACKILLOP THAT GO AWAY. BUT HARRY MACKILLOP WILL ACTUALLY, UM FROM JUST WEST OF AIRPORT AND HARRY MC WILL STAY IN PLACE AND ACTUALLY SERVICE THE FRONTAGE ROADS. FOR THE 399 CENT. OK SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY HAVE PARALLEL FRONTAGE ROADS TO THE FREEWAY. YOU KNOW ONE NORTH ONE ON ONE SIDE ONE ON THE OTHER, BUT BECAUSE IT'S ALL BRIDGE STRUCTURE. THEY WANT TO UTILIZE EXISTING ROADWAY WE HAVE IN PLACE HARRY MACKILLOP. SO HARRY MACKILLOP WHERE IT COMES IN, AND TIES INTO HIGHWAY FIVE. TODAY THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA STAY IN PLACE AND WE WILL TRANSITION AS YOU GO EAST INTO THE FRONTAGE ROADS OF 399. THANK YOU. BUT AS WE GO FARTHER EAST, HARRY MACKILLOP GOES AWAY. SO UM THE[00:20:03]
BLUE SECTION, THE PHASE ONE, WHICH INCLUDES THE LOWER FIVE PLAZA, WE ARE ANTICIPATING A MID 2026 LETTING, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL DATE ON THAT YET, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, TECH DO WILL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THE BRIDGE FOR THE LOWER FIVE PLAZA IS PART OF THAT, AND THEN IT'S ALSO AS PART OF THAT PROJECT. WE ARE CONTINUOUS STAFF TO LOOK FOR OTHER PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS TO BE IMPLEMENTED. AS PART OF THAT PROJECT. WE WERE DEPENDING ON WHAT WE FINALLY DECIDE AND PRESENT THOSE IDEAS TO TEXT DOT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THEM AS PART OF THE PHASE ONE PROJECT OR SO THAT SECTION IS OFF SYSTEM AND THEN WE'LL IMPLEMENT THEM AS CITY PROJECTS TO PUT THOSE CROSSINGS IN. THE PROJECT TIMELINE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. THIS IS A LONG PROJECT. WE DON'T SEE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE THE GLORIFIED PLAZA. EXCUSE ME AND THE AMEN STARTING TILL LATE 27 FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE AND THE AMENITIES UNTIL LATE 2028 THAT COULD ACTUALLY SLIDE A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS YOU KNOW A LOT, DEPENDING ON HOW TEXTILE ADVANCES THEIR PROJECT. BUT WHERE WE ARE AT IS YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINE UP AND DOWN IN THE MIDDLE. WE'VE GOT THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT. UM THERE WILL BE ANOTHER AGREEMENT LATER. ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHO OUR PARTNER IS ON THE FEDERAL DOLLARS WITH A RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH THE COG OR THROUGH TEXT DO MORE LIKELY BE THROUGH TECH DOT THE NEXT PIECE IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND ON HERE, THOUGH I WANT I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE UM, LOCATIONS, UH, SEE WITH RED KNIGHTS RED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL A COUPLE OF TIMES TO TALK ABOUT, UM, GIVING UPDATES TO COUNCIL DURING THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS. CERTAINLY BEFORE WE DO ANY OF THESE DESIGN PROJECTS, WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT. WHEN BEFORE WE GO TO ANY CONSTRUCTION DOWN HERE, WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AGAIN. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THESE ARE THE SPOTS. WE KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT. I ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE'RE BRINGING UPDATES ALONG THE WAY TO KEEP YOU INFORMED OF HOW THE PROJECT IS PROGRESSING THROUGHOUT THIS THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. SO. SO OUR IMMEDIATE NEXT STEPS ARE THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT. THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN LATER THIS YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE STARTING THIS ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTATION PROCESS AGAIN. WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS A AS THAT'S PROGRESSING.SO I HAVE THE KEY TAKEAWAYS UP HERE AGAIN. BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE SO WE'RE NOT SORRY, MR WE'RE WE'RE NOT ALLOCATING MONEY TONIGHT. WE'RE ALLOCATING TRANSPORTATION CREDITS. WE ARE USING TRANSPORTATION CREDITS THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS BUT NO DOLLARS. I WOULD GATHER THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY COST WITH TRANSPORTATION CREDITS, RIGHT? IF THEY GO TO THIS, THEN THEY DON'T GO TO THAT. WHATEVER THAT IS YOU. YES THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY COST BUT OUR ABILITY TO USE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT CREDITS IS VERY LIMITED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE USED ON FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS. WE CAN'T DO IT ON A STATE FUNDED PROJECT OR A LOCALLY FUNDED PROJECT, SO WE GET ABOUT 3 MILLION TRANSPORTATION DELEGATE CREDITS ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS. WE VERY RARELY USE THEM. I KNOW OF THIS PROJECT AND ONE PROJECT ON THE TRANSIT SIDE THAT WE'VE USED SOME TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT CREDITS ON I THINK THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OTHER ONE, BUT WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE SO COG USED TO BE BUILDING UP BANKS WITHIN EACH CITY WHEN WE AWARDED THESE MONEY, BUT THEY REALIZED CITIES WERE NOT USING THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT ENGAGED IN THAT MANY LOCAL OR FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS. SO NOW THEY SAY, WE WILL GIVE YOU 33 MILLION CREDITS EVERY TWO 73 MILLION, SO WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE BUT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEM. QUITE OFTEN EVERY TWO YEARS. GARY, I WOULD JUST STATE THAT, UM NOT A DISCUSSION NOW, BUT, UH, ASK THAT STAFF UM GET TOGETHER AND GET IN TOUCH WITH RC COTEX BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN IN DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD THE CONNECTING COMMUNITIES GRANTS.
THOSE DOLLARS CAN BE USED FOR THE ITSELF AS WELL AND THAT IT GOES INTO THE POT OF 45 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING RIGHT NOW. THE ENTIRE COST. BUT, UM AGAIN. WE JUST IF WE COULD REGROUP. CAN TALK TO THEM AND GET CLARITY ON THAT. BUT CERTAINLY THAT IS WHAT THE WHAT THE INTENT IS FOR THOSE DOLLARS. OK? THESE CREDIT TO BE USED TOWARDS THE AIRPORT IN ANY WAY.
KNOW THAT WE USE FOR A FEDERAL TRANSIT PROJECTS. UM OR UM FAA. FAA. NOT MANY PEOPLE, NOT MANY CITIES ARE IN THE SAME POSITION. WE ARE. LET ME LET ME CHECK ON THAT. AND I HAVE TO GET BACK TO
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THAT ONE. I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK IT'S FOR A ROAD TRANSPORTATION, NOT BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GARY. I THINK I MEAN, I'LL ASK SOME QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER THEM. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. GO. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SCHEDULE? THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OR THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT ARE TAKEN WITH THAT? THEY'RE IDENTIFYING. PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE WHEN THEY DID IT ON SPUR 399. THEY IDENTIFIED CHURCHES OR CEMETERIES OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS LIKE THINGS THAT ARE CULTURALLY RELEVANT AND MAY OBSTRUCT THE OR MAY CHANGE THE WAY THEY LOOK AT THIS CORRECT, CORRECT. THEY LOOK FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANTLY BUILDINGS. THEY LOOK FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AS FAR AS IS THERE A GAS STATION WITH UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS NEARBY. UM ARE THERE ANY MIGRATORY ISSUES FISH AND WILDLIFE? A LOT OF THOSE THINGS DON'T APPLY BECAUSE IT'S AN URBAN SETTING, BUT THEY'LL STILL CHECK THE BOX ON EACH ONE OF THOSE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT HISTORICAL ELEMENTS THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE. THE YES. WHICH I THINK IS AN OLD CARDIO CHEF IS ON A REGISTRY. IS IT NOT? AND HISTORIC REGISTRY AND IS THAT TO SLOW THAT DOWN IN ANY WAY? WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS THAT IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. UM BUT IT'S NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING YET. I COULD BE SAYING THAT SLIGHTLY WRONG SINCE I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON HISTORIC THINGS, BUT WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT SLOWING US DOWN. IT MAY, THOUGH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR ACTUAL DESIGNATION OF THAT BUILDING IS, AND THEN WHAT STEPS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, PROJECT IN AND COORDINATE WITH THOSE THOSE, UH UH, DEPARTMENTS IS, IS THERE A I GUESS A UNDERSTANDING MADE ABOUT THE LIFT OF THE RELOCATION THAT WE'LL HAVE TO OCCUR THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, OR IS THAT PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY? UH, PORTION OF THE UH, THE TIMELINE SO THEY WILL HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE DURING THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTATION.PUBLIC MEETINGS GENERALLY HAVE. I'LL SAY THEY WILL, BUT THEY GENERALLY HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION. THEY HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER BILL OF RIGHTS THAT TECH DO PRODUCES AND THEY HAND THOSE OUT SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. THERE ARE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OWNER VERSUS OCCUPANTS AS WELL.
AND SO GENERALLY, IT'S MORE HANDLED, UH, IN GREATER DETAIL DURING THE RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION PHASE BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE SPECIFIC PEOPLE. AND YOU NEGOTIATING WHAT? THOSE WHAT? ALL THAT, BUT THEY GENERALLY WILL. HAVE SOMEBODY AVAILABLE AND WE CAN. WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT AT THE AT THE AT THE PUBLIC MEETING , WE INFORM TEXT OUT TO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. SO UM I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT THE LAST TIME JUST FROM A PROCESS WHEN YOU GET TO HE DO CONSTRUCTION WE? WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT DESIGN AND DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. BUT WHEN TECH STOCK GETS TO CONSTRUCTION, THEY BASICALLY GOING TO BUILD THE BRIDGE IN THE GROUND. IS THAT THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IT LAST TIME? YES, SIR. UM SO THEY'LL COME THROUGH IN 2026 2027 28 SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND PUT A BRIDGE ON TOP OF THE DIRT RIGHT THERE. THEY WERE ALREADY DONE RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITIONS. UM AND SO THEN WHEN, WHEN IT'S DELIVERED, UH AND MAYBE THAT'S SIDE HAS DELIVERED EARLIER THAN THE REST OF THE ROADWAY IS COMPLETED, AND IT'S DELIVERED. WE ULTIMATELY HAVE TO DIG OUT THE WHOLE DO ALL THE HARDSCAPE, THE RETAINING WALLS, THE DRAINAGE ASSOCIATED WITH EVERYTHING TO CREATE THAT, YOU KNOW. AGAIN CAN THIS IS THE WORD I'VE USED TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA GO IN THERE AND MAKE THAT THAT AREA AVAILABLE SO WE CAN COME IN AND DO THOSE PART CONSTRUCTION. SO FROM A FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT $45 MILLION THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS THIS LIKELY COSTING 30 MILLION FROM THE FED AND FROM UM COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS AND THEN ANOTHER 15 MILLION THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE ALLOCATED BY THE CITY THROUGH THE PARK DOLLARS LIKELY LIKE WHAT HAPPENS AS TIME EATS AWAY AT THAT BUDGET, UM OR POTENTIAL OVERAGES EAT AWAY AT THAT BUDGET WHO CARRIES THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND HOW WILL THAT HANDLE? SO WE HAVE BEEN INTENTIONAL. OUR ESTIMATES NOW ARE ON THE LOW END OF THE 25 MILLION RANGE. SO WE'VE BEEN INTENTIONAL AS WE'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY IF WE GET INTO A HUGE
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INFLATIONARY PERIOD THAT GOES OVER THAT 30 BILLION, WE WILL BE GOING BACK TO OUR PARTNERS ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE. UH, THE AFA WILL SAY THAT IT'S THE LOCAL ENTITIES RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY OVERAGES. SO IF YOU READ THE FINE LANGUAGE IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO EXECUTE TONIGHT AT SUCK SPOT OVERAGES BEING LOCAL AGENCIES RESPONSIBILITY. SO I A PROJECT THAT DOESN'T BEGIN. ON THE STATE SIDE FOR 3 TO 4 YEARS AND DOES NOT BEGIN ON OUR SIDE FOR 4 TO 5 YEARS. THE OVERAGES THAT COME WITH THAT IN OUR BUDGET WOULD BE ABSORBED LARGELY BY US OR AT LEAST WE'RE AGREEING TO THAT. WE'RE AGREEING TO THAT. RIGHT? BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW OUR HOPE IS THAT OUR PARTNERS WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AT AND YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL. YOU KNOW GARY ON THAT NOTE, THOUGH, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO STATE IT AGAIN. I BELIEVE THAT THE GRANT. WE JUST RECEIVED THAT WE WERE JUST NOTIFIED THAT WE ARE RECEIVING CHANGES SOME OF WHAT WAS JUST STATED. THE IDEA OF THIS GRANT ON THE RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES IS NOT JUST BUILDING THE ROAD OR A BRIDGE ON TOP OF THE ROAD. THE IDEA OF COURSE BEHIND THIS GRANT, AS YOU KNOW IS IT IS RECONNECTING AND STITCHING TOGETHER COMMUNITIES THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AND THERE IS NO ASPECT OF THAT. WITHOUT THE PARK BASED ON ALL OF MY CONVERSATIONS, AND THEY'VE BEEN FAIRLY EXTENSIVE. I THINK DRAMATICALLY CHANGED TWO WEEKS AGO. UM AND IT IS, UH, IT IS PART OF A $45 MILLION POT, NOT PART OF A $30 MILLION FUND. SO AGAIN, I ASK THAT WE REACH OUT AND SPEAK WITH THE STAFF AND, UM BUT BUT EVERYTHING YOU'RE STATING WAS THE CASE UNTIL WE RECEIVED THE FEDERAL GRANT. WE JUST THIS IS NEW INFORMATION FROM ALL OF OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS. AND ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL FEDERAL MONEY COMING? WELL, WE JUST GOT THIS IS THE FIRST FEDERAL MONEY THAT WE'VE EVER HAD COMING. IT'S JUST HAPPENED. NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING, AND THAT CHANGES THAT THAT THAT CHANGES THE WE ORIGINALLY HAD. WE HAD A COMMITMENT FROM TEXTILE COG RT C. HOWEVER WE WANT TO SPELL THAT OR ATTRIBUTE THAT AND TO DO EVERYTHING, GARY JUST SAID. IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST STATED WAS WHAT WE WERE STATING A YEAR AGO. YEAH. SIX MONTHS AGO TWO MONTHS AGO. SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE NOW BEEN GRANTED. A, UM, A FEDERAL FEDERAL DOLLARS. THAT WILL BE 15 MILLION. IT IS ACTUALLY TWO NUMBERS FLOATING AROUND 15 TO $20 MILLION WILL COME FOR THIS PROJECT AND THAT WILL BE ATTRIBUTED. TO THE IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS ALREADY COMMITTED BY TEXT DOT AND CO THE CURRENT GRANT COULD BE 45 MILLION. HAVE WE ORIGINALLY HAD A GRANT OR I DO NOT WANT TO CALL IT A GRANT. BUT A COMMITMENT FROM TEX ON WHATNOT FOR THE 30 WE NOW HAVE 45. IT IS A COMBINATION BETWEEN STATE AND FEDERAL FEDERAL PIECE JUST CAME INTO PLAY.TECHNICALLY, IT CAME INTO PLAY ABOUT A MONTH AGO, IT WAS ANNOUNCED. FOR SIX WEEKS AGO AND WAS ANNOUNCED MAYBE FOUR WEEKS AGO AND VERY PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT AGAIN, IT RATHER THAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION OUT WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT WE CONFIRM WHAT I AM SAYING. AND THEN REVISIT THAT ONE ASPECT OF THIS PRESENTATION. BUT SO BASED ON WHAT WE KNEW 715 MILLION. FEDERAL THE BURDEN OF OVERAGES. INFLATION WOULD FALL ON THE CITY. FOR ANYTHING ABOVE 30, IF WHAT HE IS SAYING CHANGES THAT AND IS ELIGIBLE FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS. IN ADDITION TO ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAN UM, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING OVER 45 MILLION YOU'RE CORRECT. YES. YEAH. THE CONNECTING COMMUNITY.
GRANT IS NOT ABOUT WAS JUST CONSTRUCTION OF RODENTS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY, I KNOW I JUST MY UNDERSTANDING ALL ALONG HAS BEEN IT IS IN IT IS NETTED AGAINST THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT'S COMMITMENT. NOT IN ADDITION TO AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE ASKED CLARIFICATION ON I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE. THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR GARETH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, GARY. ITEM. UM 241430
[Consider/Discuss the Funding for and Development of the East McKinney Learning Garden]
CONSIDER AND DISCUSS THE FUNDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EAST MCKINNEY LEARNING GARDEN.[00:35:11]
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR MAYOR. COUNCIL. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OK. MARDI SOTO AND THE PARK SUPERINTENDENT FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO GO THROUGH BRIEFLY, THE EAST MCKINNEY LEARNING GARDEN. GIVE YOU UP TO SPEED WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. UM SOME OF THE INFORMATION WAS SHARED BY OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS AUDIENCE, SO I MAY RELY ON SOME OF THEM TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. IF YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE AS WELL, I WANT TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE JOURNEY A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE WE STARTED WHERE WE GOT TO AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO WITHOUT HESITATION, I'LL START OFF. FIRST OF ALL, IT IS A JOINT VENTURE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH MCKINNEY PARKS FOUNDATION, THE CITY AND M CDC PARTNERSHIP RIGHT NOW. THERE IS A QUARTER ACRE LOT JUST ON THE M CDC PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE TUFTS BREWERY. IS DESIGNATED. THIS AREA CURRENTLY IS DESIGNATED AS WHAT IS CALLED A FOOD DESERT. UM THE FOOD DESERTS IN URBAN AREA IN WHICH IT IS DIFFICULT TO BUY AFFORDABLE OR GOOD QUALITY FOOD OR FRESH FOOD, FOR THAT MATTER. GO FOR THIS PROJECT WAS TO BRIDGE THE FOOD DESERT GAP BY TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO GROW HEALTHY FOOD IN THEIR BACKYARDS.IN ADDITION, IT WILL BECOME ONE OF THE MOST ACCESSIBLE GARDENS IN COLLIN COUNTY, ALLOWING PEOPLE OF ALL ABILITIES TO WORK TOGETHER. SOME OF THE FEATURES CAN SEE UP HERE IN THE IMAGE. WE HAVE 30 RAISED GARDEN BEDS, SOME POTTING BENCHES, A WASH STATION, OUTDOOR CLASSROOMS AND TEACHING AREAS AS WELL AS A MONARCH BUTTERFLY WAY STATION. UM THE INTENT FOR THIS IS A VARIETY OF CLASSES AND LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ALL AGES FROM CHILDREN ALL THE WAY UP TO SENIORS, SO IT'S ALL INCLUSIVE. THE LOCAL TEACHERS, CHEFS FARMERS, GARDENERS, COMMUNITY LEADERS HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED TO TEACH THESE CLASSES. VOLUNTEERS UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE MCKINNEY PARKS FOUNDATION WILL MAINTAIN THE GARDEN. AND THE FOOD PRODUCED IN THE GARDEN WILL GO TO THE LOCAL AGENCIES SUCH AS THE COMMUNITY GARDEN KITCHEN, LA TIENDA HUGS CAFE AND THE EAST MCKINNEY FARMERS MARKET. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE TIMELINE.
RUN DOWN WHERE WE ARE SO INITIALLY THIS STARTED OUT IN JANUARY, 2023. WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MCKINNEY PARKS FOUNDATION AND MCKINNEY OR M CDC ON PUTTING IN A GARDEN.
UH, BY FEBRUARY, WE HAD THE PARKS AND M CDC DISCUSSED IS FOR A PASSIVE LANDSCAPE AS OPPOSED TO A GARDEN. THE IDEA OF CHANGE LATER IN MARCH, WHERE WE DECIDED THAT THE LEARNING GARDEN WAS A BETTER CONCEPT IDEA THAN JUST A PLAIN PASSIVE LANDSCAPE. BY APRIL, THE FUNDING AND DONATION OPTIONS WERE DISCUSSED. THE IDEA WAS TO USE FUNDS THAT THE MCDC PARKS AND THE CITY WOULD HAVE SPENT ON THE PASSIVE LANDSCAPING TO GO TOWARDS THE LEARNING GARDEN. AND ALLOW FOR THE MCKINNEY PARKS FOUNDATION TO RAISE IN ADDITION ANY MONEY FOR GARDEN ELEMENTS. GARDEN ELEMENTS INCLUDE SUCH THINGS AS PLANTER BOXES, SOIL DRIP IRRIGATION, THE ABOVE GRANT TYPE THINGS, VEGETABLE PLANTS AND SO FORTH. SINCE THAT TIME, MCKINNEY PARKS FOUNDATION HAS RAISED 100 AND $64,000 FROM OVER 30 LARGE CORPORATIONS, WHICH INCLUDES SRS DISTRIBUTION, ENCORE WIRE, INDEPENDENT FINANCIAL HEB CAM WEST DREAMCATCHER MCKINNEY COMPANY TSB, ZIMMER, KODA AND LO YOKO. JUST TO NAME A FEW. MCKINNEY PARKS FOUNDATION IS ALSO COORDINATING OUTREACH AND PROGRAMMING FOR THE LEARNING GARDENS WITH LOCAL TEACHERS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS DURING THE PROCESS AND INVESTED MORE THAN 800 HOURS OF VOLUNTEER TIME TO DEVELOP THE GARDEN. AS OF JULY LAST YEAR. UH, M CDC APPROVED THIS PROJECT. THE INITIAL BUDGET ESTIMATES AT THAT TIME WERE $210,000 IN 210. $211,000. IN JULY. WE WANTED TO TIGHTEN UP THOSE NUMBERS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN GET. WE HIRED KIM LE HORN TO GO OUT AND GET THE ESTIMATES FOR WHAT THAT WOULD BE. THEY WERE HARD TO DESIGN THE GARDEN AND PROVIDE MORE DETAILED ESTIMATES. BY DECEMBER, ESTIMATES CAME BACK SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED. HERE'S THE RUNDOWN. WHERE WE WERE. WITH THE COST THAT CAME THROUGH WITH KIM HORN. AND WHAT WAS MP F PUTTING IN THERE. WE WERE LOOKING AT $903,000 FULL IN FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT. REMAINING FUNDS THAT WE HAD AT THAT TIME WERE 223,970.
THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE. THE DELTA ON THAT WAS 679,000 PLUS. OFFSET THAT WE WENT BACK REVISED. LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OPTIONS THERE. SEE WHAT WE CAN BETTER SOLUTION TO COME. BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN. THE ALTERNATIVE WAS TO GO THROUGH AND REALLOCATE MOST OF THAT WORK TO THE MCKINNEY PARKS FOUNDATION, WHO COULD ALLOW ALLOWS LOWER COSTS FOR QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS COME IN AND DO THE WORK OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE CAN DO. REMOVE UNNECESSARY ITEMS. SOME OF THE LIGHTING THOSE WERE JUST MORE DECORATIVE LIGHTING. WE WENT THROUGH SOME OPTIONS TO THAT. IN THE END, WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THAT COST DOWN TO 469,878 FOR THE REVISED ESTIMATE. NOW DELTA WITH THE REMAINING FUNDS IS NOW 245 9 AND EIGHT WENT FURTHER TRIED TO LIKE
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, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET AS MUCH, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDING AS WE COULD. I'M SORRY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I'M STUCK ON THIS. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT. UM 903 401 9. 774 49 WAS KIM HORN.128,970 MP F PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES. IS THAT I UNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT THAT THE 1 28 9 70 WAS THE INITIAL INITIAL PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE, BUT IT WAS IDENTIFIED TO BE 774 BY KIM HORN. KEEP THE HORN IS THE ESTIMATE TO PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE UTILITIES STRUCTURES TWO SEPARATE AND THEN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE OTHER PART WAS FOR THE GARDEN. L, RIGHT? OK, THE ABOVE GARDEN, WHICH WAS SEEN IT DIFFERENTLY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR ASKING. UM SO ADDITIONAL FUNDING MP F IS COMMITTED TO PUT ANOTHER 20,000 INTO THIS, UM M CD OR SORRY. MCKINNEY PARKS FOUNDATION ALSO PUT OUT A WENT TO M CDC TO ASK FOR A GRANT, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET, BUT HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR UH, THAT WILL RANGE IN BETWEEN 100 TO $150,000. NOW WE'RE BRINGING OUR DELTA CLOSER TO 75 TO 125 RANGE. UM STANDARD PRACTICE PUT IN A 10% CONTINGENCY. SO AT THE BOTTOM THERE, THIS IS KIND OF THE GAP THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FILL WITH WHAT WE HAVE LEFT TO GET US OVER THE HILL TO THE FINISH LINE. LOOKED AT SOME MORE FUNDING OPTIONS AT THIS POINT WHERE WE NEED TO GO FROM HERE. THERE ARE THREE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. ONE WAS TO USE AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE IN THE PARKS CONSTRUCTION FUND. SECOND WOULD BE TO REDUCE FUNDS FROM NEXT 75.25 JUST REDUCE IT FROM NEXT YEAR'S GRANT. AND THEN THE GENERAL FUND. SO THOSE ARE THREE THAT WE EXPLORED FOR FUNDING OPTIONS IN THIS PROCESS. UM DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS IMPORTANT , UH, INFORMATION THAT IT BE THE TYPE OF INVESTMENT THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THIS. AT THIS POINT. WE GOT THE 164,000 THAT HAS BEEN RAISED BY THE MP F FOR THE FUNDRAISING EFFORTS. UNWINDING THOSE DONATIONS POSES REPUTATIONAL AND TAX ISSUES FOR MP, F AND DONORS, INCLUDING LARGE CORPORATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS, AND THERE IS STILL AN EXPENSE BETWEEN 100,000 TO 277,000. IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE PASSIVE LANDSCAPE, OTHERWISE IT WOULD THERE WOULD BE NOTHING GOING THERE, UH, THE PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF UM, EXCITEMENT BEHIND IT. INCLUDING THE EAST SIDE, COMMUNITY LEADERS HAS BEEN OVERWHELMING AND POSITIVE ON THAT. PARKS HAS CONTRIBUTED ABOUT $74,000 INTO THAT INTO THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PART AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM SOME DOCUMENTS THAT WE CAN START GOING OUT TO BID FOR AT THAT POINT. SO WITH THAT IN MIND WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE GIVEN AND PRESENTED TODAY. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK ON THE QUESTION OF WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT ON THIS STAGE AND WHERE THE PHASES WOULD BE. BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW AND HAVE LEARNED TODAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO GROW FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THIS WITH THE OPTIONS WE HAVE PROVIDED. WITH THAT. I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR ME OR MY STAFF. WHY IS THERE AN OPTION NUMBER FOUR OF M CDC JUST FINISHING THIS OUT. ANY COMMENTS. CAN I ASK THAT QUESTION? BECAUSE CINDY'S NOT HERE? YEAH, I WOULDN'T RESPECTFULLY SURE I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REWORD. WHAT MARGIE JUST AS THE QUESTION THAT MARTY JUST SAID TO THE COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY. SO THE INTENT FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE OF THE CITY AND THE EXISTING AGREEMENT IS BASICALLY WE WILL PROVIDE WATER, ELECTRICITY THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO THE SITE WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT THE COST WOULD BE FOR THE PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY HIGHER THAN EVERYONE ANS. FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING DECISION TO SAY THIS IS OR IS NOT A WORTHWHILE PROJECT IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY. IN GENERAL, THE FIRST QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL IS KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO FURTHER SUPPORT THE PROJECT? TO THIS BOTTOM NUMBER HERE TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT 83 84,000 TO LET'S CALL IT 100 AND 40,000 SO MOVING FORWARD. THE FIRST QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL IS BASICALLY YES OR NO. IF THE ANSWER IS NO. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR BRUCE. BUT HE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO EITHER. A THE PROJECT PROBABLY WOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD B. BRUCE COULD GO BACK OUT AND TRY AND GET SOME ADDITIONAL REMAINING FUNDS OR THE REQUEST TO THE CDC COULD GO UP. SO THAT IS AN OPTION. UM FOR THE COUNCILS, OBVIOUSLY DIRECTION BASED ON COUNSEL DIRECTION TODAY, THE NUMBER THE REASON THERE IS A RANGE THERE OF THE 100,000 TO 150,000. THAT'S BASICALLY THE DELTA ON WHAT THE CDC UNDER THE TERMS OF THE EXISTING APPLICATION THAT THEY HAVE. THAT IS WHAT THE DELTA WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT THE CDC
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IF ANYTHING, WOULD RECOMMEND. I'M SORRY. I WANT TO CONNECT ONE LAST DOT THE CDC APPLICATION. AS I RECALL. THERE IT IS RIGHT ABOVE THERE, 100 TO 150. SO IF CDC GRANTED 150 THE DELTA IS 83 FAIR TO SAY YES. OK THANK YOU. SO THE ACTUAL APPLICATION IN THE CDC IS WORDED AS UP TO 150,000 AND I. I DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE CDC MEMBERS WHERE THE 100,000 CAME FROM. ABOUT A MONTH AGO, THERE WAS A SUBCOMITTEE FROM THE CDC ASSIGNED MYSELF. WAS THERE. TWO MEMBERS FROM THE CDC CINDY WAS THERE TALKED ABOUT THE PROJECT TALKED ABOUT THE COST ESTIMATES FROM KIMBERLY HORN. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT WAS RECOMMENDED. HEY MAYBE THEY THEY GIVE A CDC APPLICATION TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $100,000 AS WE CONTINUE TO TALK WITH IT. I SPOKE WITH CINDY, SHE SAID, WHY DON'T WE MAKE THAT UP TO 150? PENDING COUNCIL DIRECTION HERE. THAT NUMBER WILL PROBABLY FALL IN THAT RANGE. BUT AGAIN THAT HAS NOT BEEN GRANTED BY THE CDC. THEIR MEETING IS ON APRIL 25TH A WEEK FROM THURSDAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UTILITIES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE CITY INITIALLY WAS SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN YOU ANTICIPATED. US TO BE X, AND NOW WE REALIZE IT IS X PLUS SOMETHING WHAT IS THAT DELTA BASED ON THE UTILITIES. THINK THE BRUCE, PLEASE CORRECT ME. IF I'M WRONG OR MARTY, I THINK THE UTILITIES ARE ARE ROUGHLY WHAT, WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE AT SOME OF THIS STRUCTURES AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT PER THE AGREEMENT.THE PARKS FOUNDATION IS ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CAME IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED. BUT PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WHAT IS THE CITY'S COMMITMENT RIGHT NOW? THERE IS THERE IS NOT A DOLLAR AMOUNT WE HAVE BASED ON A CAPITAL BUDGET THAT IS EXISTING WAS $169,000 AND PART OF OUR COMMITMENT WAS WE PLAY FOR THE KINLEY HORN AS WELL AS JUST ONGOING. THE INITIAL TERM OF THE AGREEMENT IS THREE YEARS AND THEN IT GOES INTO ONE YEAR EXTENSION. SO WHATEVER THE COST OF THOSE UTILITIES AND WATER ARE WE GENERALLY SPEAKING THEY WOULD BE FAIRLY MINIMAL, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS OR REQUIREMENTS IN THE AGREEMENT. BRUCE CAN WE HEAR FROM YOU? I KNOW YOU HAD SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND BUT MORE THAN THAT YOU ARE PART OF THIS PROCESS LEADING THIS PROCESS. SO YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS STILL A VERY EXCITING PROJECT . AND I THINK THAT THE COST EVEN WITH THE GAP THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, I THINK IT'S STILL VERY VIABLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT QUARTER ACRE PROPERTY. JUST TURN IT INTO A PASSIVE LANDSCAPE. SOME HARDSCAPE GRASS IRRIGATION SHRUBS, MINOR IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN $100,000, BASED ON ROUGH ESTIMATES FROM TWO YEARS AGO TO ABOUT $277,000, BASED ON WHAT KIM LE HORN PUT IN THEIR BID SPECS, SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO SPEND AS A CITY ENTITY IN SOME FORM OR FASHION ON THAT SITE. I HAPPEN TO THINK THE LEARNING GARDEN IS A BETTER USE OF THAT SPACE. WE'VE RAISED $164,000 THROUGH IN KIND AND CASH DONATIONS. THAT'S WELL AHEAD OF WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE ON THE MP F SIDE OF FUNDRAISING. UH FIRST YEAR COST WE ESTIMATED TO BE 128,000 WITH 42,000 TO RUN THE GARDEN EVERY YEAR THEREAFTER, SO I'M STILL VERY BULLISH ON THE PROJECT. UM, THE COMMUNITY'S BULLISH ON IT.
HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS ARE BULLISH ON IT, AND, UH, WE'LL GET APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD. RUTH I DIDN'T ASK YOU THIS LAST WEEK WHEN WE TALKED, BUT WHAT IS THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE GARDENER? WHAT'S THE EXPECTED LIFE OF THE GARDEN? UH, INDEFINITE. I MEAN, THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS GOING FORWARD. FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE GARDEN BEDS THAT WE'RE DESIGNING. THEY ARE MADE OF WOOD AND METAL. THOSE ARE GOING TO ROT OUT IN 10 YEARS. SO YOU REPLACE THOSE PRETTY SIMPLY, YOU GET VOLUNTEERS IN YOU SPEND A COUPLE 100 BUCKS ON A BED TO REDO IT. YOU BUILD IT YOURSELF THROUGH VOLUNTEERS, SKILLED LABORERS, AND YOU GET IT DONE.
BUT THE GARDEN IS AN INDEFINITE, UM, COMMUNITY RESOURCE. NOW OUR CONTRACT IS ESTABLISHED AS A THREE YEAR WITH A THREE YEAR OPTION. SO THE HOPE IS THAT AT THE END OF THOSE THREE YEARS AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE SIX YEARS IS THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO SIGN UP. MCDC IS GOING TO SUPPORT MAINTAINING THE GARDEN MOVING FORWARD THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE SUCCESS OF THE GARDEN, OF COURSE. SO I'M I'M FINE WITH THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A BETTER USE THAN A PASSIVE USE, AND IT'S PROBABLY WILL END UP BEING A GOOD THING FOR FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE AN ACTIVE USE SO THAT IT IS NOT BECOME A BURDEN ON. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PARKING ON IT OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT CAN COME FROM WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON OVER THERE. BUT I GUESS WITH A PASSIVE USE, THERE IS AN ADVANTAGE TO WHEN THERE IS A HIGHER AND BETTER USE THAT COMES ALONG. IT'S EASIER TO TRANSITION TO THAT. THIS ONE OBVIOUSLY HAS SOME BARRIER TO THAT. BUT I GUESS WITH THE THREE YEAR AND THREE YEAR EXTENSION TIME FRAME THAT RE-EVALUATED CONSISTENTLY WHICH I DID NOT DID NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND BEFORE THIS UM AND IF ULTIMATELY THERE IS SUCCESS. THERE IS AN OLD SETTLERS, PARK AND OTHER AREAS IN NEARBY WHERE THAT CAN BE CORRECT, MOVED OR REAPPLIED OR THAT SORT OF THING, AND ULTIMATELY, IT COMES DOWN TO IS
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THERE A HIGHER AND BETTER USE? WHERE HOPEFUL THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR HIGHER AND BETTER USES IN THAT AREA. OUR CITY HALL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND LOTS OF OTHER PLACES FOR PRIVATE OWNERS. BUT I GUESS THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UNWINDING OF THE UM DONORS AND SUCH THE EXPECTATIONS THAT ARE SET. BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THIS LAST SIX YEARS, AND IT GETS THE MOMENTUM EVERYBODY WANTS IT TO HAVE. AND THE BUY IN THAT I THINK YOU HAVE. THAT IS GREAT. IF AT THAT POINT, CDC HAS SOME BETTER OPTION FOR IT. I GUESS THERE'S NO NO CONCERN ABOUT UNWINDING AND AT THAT POINT, NECESSARILY, NO, THAT'S WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR. SO IF, AT THE END OF THAT, THREE YEARS OR SIX YEARS, THERE IS THAT HIGHER AND BETTER USE IDENTIFIED THE WAY THAT THE GARDEN IS DESIGNED. THEY'RE REALLY OTHER THAN A COUPLE OF CONCRETE PADS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO IMPLEMENT AS PART OF THE BASE OF SOME OF THE SHADE STRUCTURES AND THE GRAIN BIN ITSELF. THERE IS REALLY NOTHING THAT CANNOT BE EASILY SCRAPED AND MOVED. AND THE EXPENSE OF THE I MEAN THE GARDEN BUILD OUT IS RELATIVELY LOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE USING SKILLED VOLUNTEER LABORS TO DO IT, SO IT'S A RELATIVELY SIMPLE PROCESS. A SCRAPE THAT PIECE OF LAND AND RELE A GARDEN IN ANOTHER LOCATION. OK? SO I'M GONNA ASK. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. UH YOU GUYS GET GREAT WORK. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS YOU HAVE AND HOW MANY HOURS OF WORK Y'ALL PUT INTO THIS COMMUNITY? I THINK THE LATEST NUMBERS GREG MAY BE ABLE TO HELP ME NPF. WE HAD 1700 VOLUNTEERS. THAT NUMBER IS PROBABLY UP CLOSER TO 2000 VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED IN MP F TRAIL MAINTENANCE. THAT'S BEEN THE HISTORIC MISSION OF MP F THAT AND DEVELOPING WOODED AREAS ALONG THOSE TRAILS WILDFLOWER AREAS ALONG THOSE TRAILS. ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WE'VE INVESTED OVER 800 HOURS INTO THE PROJECT ITSELF, AND WE ARE NOT EVEN OFF THE GROUND YET SO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT BOTH FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE WITH OUR DONORS AND SUPPORTERS, AS WELL AS VOLUNTEERS, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU HAVE SAVED THE CITY. TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO THIS ASK IS NOT A HIGH. ASK FOR US. I MEAN, THIS. THIS REQUEST IS VERY REASONABLE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID. AND I WAS I WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR. I WAS GOING TO START BY SAYING THAT THAT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'VE SAVED THE CDC. PARK CONTRIBUTION THEY MAKE. AND SO THE FIRST QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK A COUNCIL. IS THERE CONSENSUS THAT COUNCIL SUPPORTS? UM M CDC IN EXPANDING THEIR GRANT TO COVER THIS DELTA? OF COURSE, IT OUGHT TO BE THEIR DECISION. BUT UM, IS THERE WOULD COUNCIL AN ADVOCATE FOR THAT. YES, YES. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LONG I'M GO AHEAD, MR MAYOR TO HELP WITH SOMEBODY ELSE. YEAH I I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LONG YES AND, UM I WAS THERE THE OTHER NIGHT WITH MY WIFE AT 400 GRAY, WHICH IS AT THE NEW DISTRICT, 121 IN CDC PLAYED THE LION SHARE OF PROVIDING THAT LITTLE PARK INSIDE OF DISTRICT 121. MA'AM. WE SAW THESE KIDS RUNNING AROUND AND WE AND THEY WERE HAVING SO MUCH FUN. THE WEATHER WAS GREAT, BUT I WAS THINKING THERE WAS A GREAT SOURCE OF PRIDE. JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY I DRIVE BY THE NEW SOCCER FIELDS AT CRAIG RANCH , AND CDC PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN HELPING US WITH THAT, AND I SEE THE FAMILIES AND THE SOCCER NATION OF WHICH I'M NOT A PART OUT THERE. ENJOYING THAT. UH, CDC. WORKED LIKE RENTED MULES ON TUBS. GETTING IT TO WHERE IT IS AND THE COMMUNITY FINALLY SEEING THE PAYOFF FOR THAT. BUT YOU KNOW WITH TAPS, IT GIVES FAMILIES A CHANCE TO BRING KIDS TO A PLACE YOU WOULD DRINK BEER AND I AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE OLD CUPS, I JUST DON'T THINK IT WAS THAT APPROPRIATE. I KNOW THEY HAD SOME GAMES, BUT NOT ANYWHERE NEAR HIS FAMILY FRIENDLY AS THIS IS, AND THIS IS A PLACE WHERE THERE IS AN ANCILLARY BENEFIT. THESE KIDS CAN GO WITH THEIR MOMS AND DADS AS THEY'RE SIPPING ON. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER CONCOCTION YOU HELPS PEOPLE SPITTING OUT TO DRINK AND ENJOY IT. UM SO THIS WILL BE WONDERFUL ANCILLARY BENEFIT. UM A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY WITH CDC AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MR MAYOR, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BECAUSE YOU WERE ON CDC BACK IN THE DAY. YOU KNOW, THE 5 MILLION THAT CDC PUTS INTO OUR PARKS WAS ROUGHLY HALF THEIR BUDGET SOME YEARS AGO. AND THEIR BUDGET HAS, YOU KNOW MUCH MORE THAN DOUBLED RIGHT NOW. SO, UH, LAST POINT I'LL MAKE IS THAT FOR SOME TIME ON COUNCIL, I WAS THE ONE OF THE TWO LIAISONS TO CDC AND I WAS VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE SAW. BUT, UM UM COUNCILMAN JONES TRADED ME P AND[00:55:02]
C, SOME BAD ADVICE AND SHINY BEAD. MY PLACE ON P ON CDC. JUST A BETTER FIT FOR HIM, BUT I MISS IT, BUT I'M NOT THERE ANYMORE. AND I SAY THIS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO COUNCILMAN JONES, COUNCILWOMAN FELTUS AND YOU, MR MAYOR, WHO ARE THERE IS THAT A PROBLEM IS THERE BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING THE FINANCE OF CDC? WOULD THIS 83,000 BE A PROBLEM? IF IT'S NOT RICH? OK THEN, THEN THAT'S MY THAT'S THE END OF MY MANIFESTO OF YES. YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY. THEIR BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND IDENTIFY. UM CAN THEY SWING IT DO WITH EVERYTHING, AS WAS POINTED OUT IN DISCUSSION ON THE PARK. THERE'S A COST. UM WITH EVERY DOLLAR THEY SPEND HERE.THAT'S A DOLLAR THAT MAY NOT GET SPENT ELSEWHERE. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT I WOULD THINK COMFORTABLY LEAVE WITH TODAY IS THE COUNCIL IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. WE SEE THIS AS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT IS LOCATED. UM, AND I MEAN THAT BOTH ON THE HE SIGNED AND TUFTS OF WHERE FAMILIES ARE CURRENTLY GATHERING AND ALL THAT. UH, KNOWING THAT IF WE WERE TO JUST SIT ON IT AND WAIT FOR A HIGHEST AND BEST USE, WE WOULD NOT LET IT SIT AS IT IS. THERE WOULD BE MONEY SPENT MORE THAN PROBABLY HERE, BUT WE FEEL IT'S A GREAT FIT FOR CDC. UM AND WE ARE ALL VERY SUPPORTIVE. WE'LL SEE IF THEY DISAPPOINT US ON THEIR READING A WEEK FROM THURSDAY.
SAY THAT TO ME THEY LISTEN. THEY KNOW THEY KNOW WHERE MY HEART IS, UM BUT IF THEY DETERMINE THAT IT CAN FIT IN IN THEIR PROGRAMMING RIGHT NOW, THAT'S OUR THAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE, I THINK HAS BEEN STATED. BUT I HATE TO SHOW OUR HAND A LITTLE, BUT I THINK ALSO I'LL SAY VERY BLUNTLY THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE. I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO LET THIS PROJECT NOT GET DONE AGAIN, THOUGH STRONGLY BEEN THAT CDC. THAT FUNDING SOURCE. BUT THANK EVERYONE UP HERE IS REPRESENTED THEIR SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MR MAY. THANK YOU. THANKS, BRUCE.
[Consider/Discuss Potential Amendments to the Electioneering Ordinance and the Sign Code]
RIGHT ITEM 241431 CONSIDER AND DISCUSS POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE ELECTIONEERING ORDINANCE AND SIGN CODE. THIS I ELECTIONEERING FALL UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT ARE I LOVE DEVELOPING FUTURE LEADERS? IS THAT WHY ARE YOU PRESENTING THIS? HE DREW THE SHORT CATCH ME OFFLINE AND I WILL TELL YOU THERE IS A STRONG CONNECTION, BUT IT'S A BIT LONG WINDED. SO BEFORE YOU START, I JUST WANT TO SAY ALL K INSIDE THAT THAT MICHAEL YOU PERSONALLY. DURING THE LAST I'LL SAY IT. WHAT WE SAW IN THIS LAST ELECTION CYCLE WAS UGLY. IT WAS UGLY. IT WAS, I'LL SAY THAT I BELIEVE IT WAS DISGRACEFUL. UM SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BEING DONE AND THE VIOLATIONS AND THE EXPLOITATION WRONGLY, I MEAN, IN A IN A IN A OVERLY MISGUIDED WAY OF OUR PREVIOUS ORDINANCE PERSONALLY. ON SUNDAYS ON SATURDAYS, UM, TOOK TIME AWAY FROM FAMILY AND WHAT NOT, I KNOW PERSONALLY, YOU DID THAT AND GO TO TRY TO, UM MEDIATE SOME OF THESE THINGS AND CORRECT SOME OF THE GROSS INFRACTIONS THAT WERE BEING COMMITTED THERE. UM SO I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY SAY, I DO NOT KNOW IF EVERYONE REALIZES THAT YOU PERSONALLY AND YOU, YOU KNOW OTHER STAFF AS WELL. BUT YOU PERSONALLY WERE OUT THERE. UM DEALING WITH SOME OF THE UGLINESS AND, UH AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SOMEONE BREAKING THE RULE. THEY'RE BREAKING A RULE, WHICH IS PUTTING A VERY PUTTING OUR CITY IN A VERY BAD LIGHT. I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT WERE JUST TRYING TO GO TO THE LIBRARY WITH SMALL CHILDREN. TO ENJOY THE LIBRARY WHO DO NOT WANT ANY PART OF THAT UGLINESS OR SUBJECTED TO SOME REALLY UGLY STUFF. AND, UM SO WHAT YOU DID WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT WASN'T EVEN JUST ABOUT MAKING SOMEONE FOLLOW A RULE. IT WAS IT WAS PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR CITY. AND THAT ASSET OF OUR CITY AND FOR FAMILIES THAT WE'RE ATTENDING THAT ASSET SUBJECTED TO IT. SO THANK YOU. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WERE THERE ON YOUR OWN TIME. YES, SIR. WEEKENDS. WELL, UM IT MEANS A LOT. I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T POINT OUT THAT MY FOLKS WERE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M UP HERE GETTING THESE ACCOLADES, BUT IT TRULY BELONGS WITH THE TEAM BECAUSE THEY DO THIS DAY IN DAY OUT 24 73 65. I DID IT FOR ONE WEEKEND. SO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THEIR GREAT SERVICE. UM ELECTIONEERING. I DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE COUNCIL SPEAK TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO COVER THIS AFTERNOON. OBVIOUSLY A BRIEF INTRODUCTION GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND OF KIND OF HOW WE CAME TO THIS POINT SOME AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO ACT ON THIS LATER THIS EVENING AND THEN GET SOME[01:00:03]
POTENTIAL COUNCIL DIRECTION. IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE OFFERING THAT, UM SO FIRST MOST SOME INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND WITH EVERY ELECTION CYCLE. WE ALWAYS TRY AND SAY, HEY, WHAT WORKED? WHAT DIDN'T LET'S DO AN AFTER ACTION REVIEW AND SEE WHERE POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS ARE NECESSARY. SO YOU CAN SEE BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND SOME OF THE PHOTOS. I WILL SHOW HERE IN A FEW SLIDES, AND WE SAW SOME THINGS THAT WE'D NEVER SEEN BEFORE. WITH THIS ELECTION CYCLE . WE HAVE LITTLE TWEAKS AND ISSUES THAT COME UP ACROSS ALL OF OUR POLLING LOCATIONS WITH EVERY CYCLE, BUT THE LION SHARE WITH EVERY CYCLE HAPPEN AT JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY. I CAN TELL YOU I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE JUST NOODLING ON WHY THAT IS AND AGAIN. I'LL SAVE THAT FOR ANOTHER CONVERSATION. BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THERE'S A LOT OF CRAZINESS THAT GOES ON IN JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY. SO A LOT OF THE PHOTOS THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU PERTAIN TO JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY AND A LOT OF THE GENESIS FOR SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO SHOW ARISE FROM JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY SO WHAT ARE THE THREE CATEGORIES WHERE THOSE ISSUES ARISE FROM THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THE TYPE AND SIZES OF SIGNS. NOW I DO WANT TO BE VERY SPECIFIC HERE. THE REGULATIONS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AFTERNOON PERTAIN ONLY TO CITY CONTROLLED PROPERTY AND CITY CONTROLLED POLLING LOCATIONS. COUNTY ELECTIONS OFFICE. THESE REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DON'T APPLY TO THEM. IT'S ONLY CITY CONTROLLED AND CITY OWNED ELECTION SITES SO AGAIN TYPES AND SIZES OF SIGNS IT WAS A BIG CHALLENGE THE WAY THAT SIGNS WERE POSTED. YOU'LL SEE SOME PHOTOS AS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SAW IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE. UH AND THEN THE FINAL WOULD BE WHERE SIGNS ALLOWED. CAN THEY POST THEM ANYWHERE? IS IT CLOSE TO THE POLLING LOCATION, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND AS WELL. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST SIGN TYPES AND SIZES SO YOU CAN SEE AND AGAIN I WILL OFFER TO YOU.THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SAW. AND ALMOST ALL OF THESE WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION THE TOP RIGHT. THIS WAS ACTUALLY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. BUT IT GOES TO SHOW HOW CREATIVE THE SIGNS GOT. THEY WENT BEYOND JUST THE, UH, A TRADITIONAL SIGN, AND THEY JUST PRINTED UP A BANNER AND ATTACHED IT TO CITY RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED. UM, BUT YOU'VE GOT SOME BOX TRUCKS DRIVING AROUND WITH DIGITAL SIGNAGE. MUCH BIGGER THAN THE TWO BY TWO REGULATIONS. YOU CAN SEE THE BLOW UP TO ALL IN THE BOTTOM LEFT. YES A DOLL IS A SIGN AND IT IS SUBJECT TO OUR SIGN REQUIREMENTS. SO AGAIN CHALLENGE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF IS HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR SOMETHING? THAT'S A REGULAR LIKE THAT? UM WE'RE DOING CALCULUS OUT THERE IN THE FIELD. UM, IT WAS IT WAS, UH, EXCITING TO SAY THE LEAST.
YOU'VE GOT THE, UH, FIGURE THAT IS MUCH BIGGER THAN THE SIGNS THAT ARE ALLOWED. YOU'VE GOT SOME IN THE BACK OF VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED. YOU CAN SEE JUST THIS VARIETY OF SIGNED TYPES AND SIZES. WE SAW IT ALL OUT THERE. SIGNPOSTING METHODS GOT REALLY CREATIVE. THIS YEAR, IT SEEMED LIKE THE GOAL WAS TO GO HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER. AND SO, UM, NORMALLY YOU'LL SEE THE WHAT WE CALL H FRAMES. THEY ARE THE LITTLE TUBULAR STEEL AND YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, IN A FUTURE SLIDE, BUT THIS ELECTION CYCLE WE HAD REBAR YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE. WE HAD REBAR HOISTING THESE SIGNS UP IN THE AIR. YOU HAD WOODEN STAKES WITH THE TYPICAL H BAR OR THE HRA TAPED TO IT. WE TAPED IT TO SO THAT WE COULD GET ELEVATED. WE LITERALLY SAW EVERY POSTING METHOD YOU CAN IMAGINE. WE SAW AN OLD TENT, THE SHADE STRUCTURES THAT YOU SEE AT CONCERTS AND AT SOCCER GAMES TOOK THE SHADE STRUCTURE OFF. AND WE MOUNTED SIGNS TO THAT, TOO. I MEAN, GENUINELY, IF YOU COULD DREAM IT. WE SAW IT. UM, AND THIS IS AGAIN I REPRESENT TO YOU IS JUST A SMALL FRACTION OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW OUT THERE OVER THE LAST ELECTION CYCLE. THE OTHER QUESTION. JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY TOP RIGHT CORNER OF THIS SLIDE. THIS IS ALL JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY PROPERTY ALSO BLEEDS INTO GABE NESBIT PARK, BUT WHERE ARE SIGNS APPROPRIATE? WHERE ARE THEY? NOT APPROPRIATE? CAN YOU POST THEM AT PS? A AT APEX DOWN THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE BY THE TENNIS COURTS. WHERE CAN YOU POST THEM? IT'S ALL ONE PROPERTY, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION. SO SOME POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAW ON THIS SLIDE. SO WE'RE PROPOSING IF THE COUNCIL SUPPORTIVE TO ESTABLISH SCIENCE STANDARDS, WE HAVE GOT THESE STANDARD DETAILS IN A PROPOSED AMENDMENT ON TONIGHT'S COUNCIL AGENDA. THIS WOULD SAY THAT YOU COULD POST ONLY TWO BY TWO SIGNS MEETING THESE SPECULATE SPECIFICATIONS OR SMALLER OR SMALLER, ABSOLUTELY, BUT UP TO TWO BY TWO AND YOU CAN SEE IT THERE HOW TALL IT CAN BE OFF THE GROUND. NO MORE GOING. 6 8 FT IN THE AIR. 42 INCHES FROM THE GROUND
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OR OR AND I SHOULD SAY THESE ARE THE ONLY WAYS YOU CAN MOUNT THEM , POST THEM TO THE GROUND WITH AN H FRAME OF TWO VARIATIONS AND AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT HARD TO FIND. THERE'S PRETTY STANDARD. YOU CAN GO ON AMAZON AND LOOK FOR A SIGN H FRAME AND YOU CAN BUY A 20 PACK A 50 PACK OF THESE EXACT SPECIFICATIONS. WE KNOW THEY ARE OUT THERE. WE KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT MOST FOLKS DO. SO THESE ARE IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS. ANOTHER DEFINING A PREMISE FOR TWO LOCATIONS, TWO LOCATIONS THAT ARE SIZEABLE IN SIZE OLD SETTLERS AND JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY. SO THIS IS THE EXAMPLE OF JOHN AND JUDY YAY LIBRARY AGAIN. THIS EXHIBIT IS IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WERE ON THE COUNCIL REGULAR AGENDA GENUINELY OR GENERALLY, THAT COLORBLIND GREEN LINE SHOWS THE LIMITS OF WHERE ELECTIONEERING CAN OCCUR HAS TO BE WITHIN INSIDE THAT, BUT YOU'LL SEE THE LITTLE CALL OUTS AROUND IT. SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS MAKE IT READILY APPARENT TO ANYBODY. HEY THAT SIDEWALK OVER THERE. I'VE GOT TO BE 15 FT. ON THE BACK OF IT.THERE'S NO DISPUTE. HEY WHERE IS THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE? WHERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE? NO. ALL PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OUTSIDE THAT ANYBODY CAN TAKE A TAPE MEASURE TO AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS FOR THE CAMPAIGNS TO ABIDE BY, BUT THEN EASY FOR US TO ENFORCE AS WELL. SO YOU'LL SEE THESE, UH, THESE EXHIBITS FOR JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY IN THE OLD SETTLERS RECREATION CENTER. SO AGAIN IN SUMMARY. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE SPECIFIC TO CITY OWNED AND CITY CONTROLLED POLLING LOCATIONS. I WANT TO REITERATE ANY COUNTY LOCATIONS ANY SCHOOL DISTRICT LOCATIONS THESE REGULATIONS WILL NOT APPLY. IT IS ONLY CITY OWNED CITY CONTROLLED. MOST OF THE CHANGES ARE STRUCTURAL. WE ARE MOVING THINGS AROUND TO MAKE THE ORDINANCE MORE FLOW MORE USER FRIENDLY, WE MODIFIED THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED AS YOU COULD SEE IN PREVIOUS SLIDES. WE HAVE CLARIFIED SOME OF THE PROHIBITIONS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED. WANT TO MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR . THIS IS WHAT IS ALLOWED. THIS IS WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED VERY CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE OBVIOUSLY CREATED SOME PREMISES, REGULATIONS AND ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE MADE A SIMILAR PRESENTATION AFTER THAT ELECTION CYCLE AND WE CAME TO THE COUNCIL AND SAID, HEY, WHAT IS YOUR APPETITE FOR NOTIFYING THE CAMPAIGNS? AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT ADOPTED? AND THEN WAS THIS 48 HOUR RULE. WE'LL WAIT. WE'LL NOTIFY YOU.
YOU'LL HAVE 48 HOURS TO REMOVE YOUR STUFF. THE PROVISION WAS ADOPTED IN 2022 AFTER THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL PERTAIN TO ONLY SIGNS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IT DID NOT PERTAIN TO SIGNS ON A POLLING LOCATION. SO THAT'S HOW THIS ELECTION CYCLE THIS PAST ELECTION CYCLE.
WE WERE ABLE TO IMMEDIATELY REMOVE THEM NOW THE CHALLENGE AND I'LL GO BACK TO THE BANNER THAT WAS POSTED ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, SO THAT TECHNICALLY HAD TO WAIT. 48 HOURS FOR IT TO REMOVE. WE PULLED IT BECAUSE IT WAS A DISTRACTION TO THE PUBLIC. UH, DRIVING THROUGH IS A HEALTH SAFETY, WELFARE ISSUES, SO WE PULLED IT IMMEDIATELY. WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE AMENDMENTS WE'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT IS THAT 48 HOUR WAITING PERIOD IS GONE.
NOW WE PLAN TO FULLY EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE. WE PLAN TO FULLY NOTIFY THE CAMPAIGNS. HEY, WE PULLED A SIGN AT THE CORNER OF VIRGINIA AND LAKE FOREST. YOU'LL HAVE 48 HOURS TO COME SWING BY OUR OFFICE AND GET IT IF YOU WANT TO. YOU DO NOT THROW IT AWAY.
BUT THE IDEA OF WAITING 48 HOURS FOR SOMETHING EGREGIOUS LIKE THIS TO BE REMEDIED WHEN IT IS CAUSING A PUBLIC HARM. WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL WAS APPROPRIATE. SO WE DID MODIFY THE ORDINANCE IN THAT WAY. SO WITH THAT SAID, I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. I GO. THERE'S SOME MUNICIPALITIES AND UM AND I BELIEVE I'M CORRECT IN THIS AND IF I'M NOT I WANT TO BE THE FIRST THAT LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS. YES, SIR. YOU CAN HAVE WHY? WHY DO WE NOT ALSO GO A STEP FURTHER THAT I MEAN I FOR ME, I WANT TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS PUT IN ALSO THAT ASSIGNED ANY ANY SIGN CANNOT BE WITHIN PICK A NUMBER. 5 FT. 10 FT. 15 FT 20 FT OF ANOTHER SIGN LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT THAT STOPS THE FOR THE EVER YOU KNOW, UH BARRAGE OF SIGN ONE PUTS IN FRONT ONE PUTS IN FRONT ONE PUTS UP FRONT UM WHY DON'T WE GO FARTHER AND UM, AND LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT CAN BE IN OUR FACILITIES? WE DEFINITELY COULD. AND CITY OF ALLEN, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY SO, I MEAN ME. MY APPETITE IS LIFE SIGNS CAN'T BE WITHIN 10 FT OF ANOTHER SIGN UM, ABSOLUTELY NO
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48 HOUR. IT'S IMMEDIATE. THEY'RE IN VIOLATION. IT'S REMOVED. UM I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVEN NEED TO, UH, THAT WE NEED TO CUMBER OUR STAFF TO HAVE TO HOLD THOSE SIGNS FOR 48 HOURS TO RETURN THEM IF YOU PUT A SIGN OUT ILLEGALLY. IT'S GONE. THEN WHY? WHY SHOULD WE? WHY SHOULD WE BE IN THE SIGNED COLLECTION HOLDING AND LEASING, YOU KNOW, SPACE BUSINESS? IT'S GONE. IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO DO THAT, WE DEFINITELY CAN. THAT'S WHERE I AM. I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYONE ELSE IS OR ARE. THEY ARE THERE ANY PENALTIES FOR REPEAT OFFENDERS? I MEAN, LIKE YOU PICK UP A SIGN YOU BRING IT IN. JUST PUT OUT ANOTHER SIGN. TECH. TECHNICALLY THE ANSWER IS YES. THERE ARE CITATIONS WE CAN ISSUE. THE PROBLEM IS, WE NEED TO KNOW WHO IS POSTING TO ISSUE THE CITATION. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ISSUE A CITATION TO A CAMPAIGN. SO THE BIGGEST PENALTY WE HAVE IS JUST PULLING THE SIGN IF WE SEE SOMEONE POSTING ILLEGALLY, AND WE HAVE EVIDENCE OF THAT WE CAN ISSUE A CITATION. BUT THOSE ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. UM SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES, BUT NOT REALLY. OK IT'S A SHAME THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS. IT'S A SHAME THAT AND I WANNA YOU KNOW, I'M TEMPTED. I WON'T CALL THE PERSON OUT BY NAME THAT WITH THE DOLLS AND WHATNOT, BECAUSE I FEAR THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO KNOW THAT A BLOW UP DOLL IS NOT A TWO BY TWO SIGN. I FEAR FOR THEIR MENTAL CAPACITY IF I CALL THEM OUT BY NAME, SO I WON'T. UM, BUT IT IS REALLY DISTURBING. THE DEGREE THAT PEOPLE WENT. VIOLATING OUR ORDINANCE. MR MAYOR, IF I MIGHT JUST WEIGH IN THE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT IS FINE. IF THE COUNCIL'S WISH IS JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THE KINDS OF SCENARIOS YOU WILL LIKELY SEE ARE YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY THE LIMITED NUMBER OF SIGNS PER CANDIDATE. BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE A NUMBER OF PACKS ASSIGNED TO EACH CANDIDATE OR SUPPORTING A CANDIDATE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENTITLED TO A NUMBER OF SIGNS AS WELL. AND THEN IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY PUT 20 SIGNS OUT, WHICH ONES DO WE REMOVE? UH WHICH ONES ARE FOLKS GONNA REMOVE? IT CAN PLACE AND IT'S OK. I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT IT COULD PLACE A SITUATION WHERE THE CANDIDATE OR THE SUPPORTERS ARE THEN BERATING OUR STAFF FOR REMOVING THE WRONG SIGNS AND FAVORING ONE CANDIDATE OVER ANOTHER BECAUSE OF THE SIGNS. WE CHOSE TO REMOVE THOSE TYPES OF SCENARIOS WILL INVARIABLY COME UP. THE ANSWER IS GIVEN. WE HAD A LOT OF WHAT IFS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. WHAT IF, WHAT IF, AND THE NUMBERS CAME UP, TOO? UM FOR INSTANCE. IF YOU HAVE TO READ THE MESSAGE ON THE SIGN TO REGULATE, THEN THAT IS A PROBLEM. A SIGN IS A SIGN NO MATTER WHAT IT SAYS, AND SO TO THEN SAY YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THIS MANY. YOU HAVE THIS CANDIDATE YOU MAY HAVE ISSUES. WITH THAT.SO YOU COULD HAVE A LIMIT OF THE NUMBER OF SIGNS TOTAL ON THAT PROPERTY. 200 BUT TO SAY YOU HAVE TO READ THE SIGN TO DETERMINE THERE'S ONLY FIVE ALLOWED FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN OR CANDIDATE X SEE THE PROBLEM? I DO I, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO GOT TO BE A WAY TO ACHIEVE THIS. AND ALLEN DO ANYTHING ON THAT FRONT. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY ONLY DO THE TWO BY TWOS.
BUT DO THEY LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS FOR CAMPAIGN WHILE THEY LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS? I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC THEN YOU HAVE MEASURES. I MEAN, DURING ELECTION YOU CAN GO ON TO JOHN AND JUDY GAY AND PUT A SIGN ABOUT PEACE AND LOVE BECAUSE IT IS CITY PROPERTY AND AN ELECTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT A SIGN OUT THERE FOR A CANDIDATE. I AM. IT IS STRANGE. I AM JUST TELLING YOU THAT A SIGN. THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED IF YOU PUT A SIGN OUT, THAT'S THIS BIG WITH AN H FRAME. IT'S LEGAL. ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT THAT FOR SURE. THEY TRAIN THE SIZE. I LOVE THAT. YOU'VE EVEN GONE TO THE EIGHTH INCH THICKNESS. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THERE'S A WAY TO AND ANYTHING ELSE. IS NOT LEGAL. IT'S GOING TO GET PICKED UP. AND SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THE MESSAGE , THEN YOU GET INTO THE PROBLEMS WITH SOME SOME SUPREME COURT CASES AND SOME OTHER THINGS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE OTHER CITIES DO IT. I DID NOT SAY THAT THEY DID IT RIGHT? STILL IF WE LIMITED IT I SAY WE LIMIT IT TO TWO SIGNS. THEN THEN SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO GO AND FILE TREASURY REPORTS EVERYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO PUT OUT 100 SIGNS TO PUT 50 PACKS. YOU WANT TO PLAY THAT GAME? I WANNA MAKE IT OWNER ON. WE JUST TRIED TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS IT COULD BE. OK WE COULD WE SAY ZERO SIGNS, THEORETICALLY. OK, SO WE COULD SAY ZERO SIGNS, IF IT IF, IF IT COMES TO THAT, UM I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU DO SOME RESEARCH COME BACK TO US AND SAY HERE'S SOME CASES WHERE I AM JUST GOING TO
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FILL IN THE BLANK. GOD BLESS YOU, PLANO. BUT JUST IN CASE PLANO WAS EVER SUED FOR OH, I COULDN'T PUT OUT 10 OF MY OWN SIGNS. AND YOU DID THIS AND PLANO WON. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY DEFENSIBLE POSITION TO WHAT THE MAYOR IS SAYING. I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN APPETITE, TOO, TOO. IF THERE'S NOT IF THERE'S NOT, THEN I DON'T HAVE AN APPETITE TO PUT THE BAQUET TAXPAYER AT RISK FOR A LAWSUIT ON THIS THING, AND WE'LL JUST GO WITH THE TWO BY TWOS IDEA. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START HERE. ANOTHER IDEA, BUT IT'S A GOOD START. BUT IT'LL BE EXPLOITED.WE ARE HERE. HOW ABOUT THIS? IF WE CAN SAY NO SIGNS, SO CERTAINLY WE COULD SAY WE COULD CHANGE THAT TO THE ONLY SIGN YOU CAN HAVE IS A TWO BY TWO AND IT CAN BE HELD. IT CANNOT BE A FIXED TO ANYTHING. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND YOU WANT TO GET 500 PEOPLE TO COME STAND WITH YOUR SIGN. ALL THE POWER TO YOU. BUT IF WE LIMIT IT TO THE SAME SAME DIAGRAM YOU HAVE WITHOUT THE AGE FRAME, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE. YOU HAVE TO HOLD IT. TO HOLD THE SIGN. CANNOT BE AFFIXED TO THE GROUND. IT CANNOT BE AFFIXED TO A CAR. IT CANNOT BE AFFIXED TO A TREE TO ANYTHING WHATSOEVER. INANIMATE OBJECT. WE'LL LOOK AT IT. I MEAN, THE STATUTE SAYS REASONABLE TIME, PLACE AND MANNER. REGULATING ELECTIONEERING. BUT IF, BUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO PREVENT THEM FROM SIGNS AT ALL WAS WHAT I AM SAYING. VIOLATION. YOU'RE GONNA SEE MY DOG OUT THERE WITH THE SIGN IF YOU GO. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? RESTRICTED TO HUMAN. WE KICKED AROUND. NOT USING JOHN AND JUDY GAY AS THE POLLING PLACE. THAT'S YEAH, AND THAT'S THE EASIEST SOLUTION, BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT IS THE MOST POPULAR POLLING PLACE IN THE CITY. I MEAN, TO SOME EXTENT, WE'RE CREATING THE REWARD THAT EVERYBODY IS SEEKING. AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO AROUND EVERY RULE WE SET UP. AND UNTIL WE ADDRESS THAT FACT. WE'RE GONNA KEEP. I MEAN EVERYTHING WE PUT UP, THEY'RE GONNA FIND A WAY AROUND IT TO EXPLOIT IT. THEY HAVE THUS FAR. THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AT OLD SETTLERS. THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AT OUR LIBRARY DOWNTOWN. I'VE GOT SIX PLACES TO VOTE, AND I'LL BE LUCKY IF I SEE ANOTHER VOTER BECAUSE THERE ARE SIX DIFFERENT PLACES TO VOTE WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF MY HOUSE, AND UNTIL WE CHANGE THAT, THEN WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO EXPLOIT IT BECAUSE THE REWARD IS TOO BIG FOR THEM TO NOT AND SO I THINK WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. IT WAS FIRE STATION WAS A SECOND PLACE. BUT BUT BUT JOHN JUDI IS SET UP TO THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE TO THE LIBRARY. IT JUST ALLOWS FOR ALL THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOU'RE FUNNELED INTO ONE SPOT AND YOU HAVE TO COME OUT OF ONE SPOT, SO I THE COUNCILMAN BELL'S POINT. IT'S I I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FOR JUST KNOCK OUT THAT ONE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THAT LIBRARY IS SET UP. IT'S FOR A VOTE LIKE MAY 4 IS IT IN IN MCKINNEY? IS IT JUST UM MCKINNEY MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS UP WE DON'T HAVE C AD DOESN'T DIDN'T I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER HOLD AN ELECTION. THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING. SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT MCKINNEY LOCATIONS. THAT ARE THAT ARE GONNA BE ON ON THIS BALLOT. AT LEAST LET ME MAKE ONE OTHER THING CLEAR. WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS THE BUT BUT BUT IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE ARE THE ONLY ONES OR WE'RE ONE OF A FEW THAT JUST CHANGES THE MIX OF WHERE YOU'RE AVAILABLE TO VOTE BECAUSE IF THE IF THE COLLEGE ISN'T INVOLVED, THEY MAY NOT OPEN AS A POLLING LOCATION OR IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS NOT. THEN THEY MAY NOT OPEN AS MANY LOCATIONS. THERE IS ALWAYS A DYNAMIC THAT IS SHIFTING ON WHO IS WHERE AND WHEN, BUT BUT THE PROBLEM IS ALWAYS ON THIS SITE. I KNOW ON I KNOW THAT, UH IN SITUATIONS WHERE PROTESTS AND WHAT NOT NOT ALLOWED TO AFFIX ASSIGNED TO THE GROUND. THEY HAVE TO HOLD IT. MAY HAVE SEEN THIS. WE HAVE CORRECTED THAT HERE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ON AN H. YOU CAN'T. I'M JUST SAYING, I KNOW THERE ARE SITUATIONS OUT THERE I'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN TIMES OVER THE YEARS WHERE THERE IS A RISK OR WHAT? NOT BECAUSE SOMEONE HAD FIXED IT TO THE GROUND OR SOMETHING ELSE. SO HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH US PRECLUDING A FIXING A SIGN IN ANY WAY ANY FORM ANY FASHION THAT BUT WE WON'T STOP. YOU CAN CARRY A SIGN. YOU CAN HAVE A SIGN. YOU CAN HOLD THE SIGN. BUT YOU CANNOT AFFIX IT TO THE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE THAT GETS RID OF ALL OF THE ONES IN THE GROUND OF EVERYTHING. YOU STILL HAVE THE TWO BY TWO, BUT IT HAS TO BE WITH THE PERSON AND AGAIN IF A CAMPAIGN CAN CAN DRUM UP 100 PEOPLE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 100 SIGNS. II I HATE TO BE THE CONTRARIAN AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE, BUT I'VE JUST SEEN THIS SO MANY TIMES. WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD WHAT MAY HAPPEN IS
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YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FOLKS SHOW UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY CREATIVE. I CAN IMAGINE SOMEBODY WHO PUTS A DEVICE AROUND THEM LIKE A BRACE AROUND THEIR BODY AND THEY HOLD A REALLY LARGE SIGN ATTACHED TO THEM THEMSELVES , YET STILL LIMITED TO WHO'S GOING TO ASK HIM TO LEAVE? WHO IS GOING TO ARREST HIM? OR YOU GONNA TELL THEM I'M YANKING THAT SIGN OFF OF YOUR BACK? YOU HAVE MOUNTED THERE AND CREATE A PHYSICAL SCENE OR PHYSICAL ALTERCATION. THEY WERE GONNA SAY THAT, THEN LET'S HAVE NO RULES OF ANY KIND, BECAUSE THE ONLY RULE IS ONLY GOOD IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENFORCE IT, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PREPARE SOME RULES THAT ARE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EASY TO ENFORCE, BECAUSE A TWO BY TWO IS IN EACH THING, BUT A TWO BY TWO THAT YOU CAN HOLD A CERTAIN HIGH WE COULD IF THEY ADHERE TO THAT, BUT IF WE DON'T ALLOW A FIXING INTO THE GROUND, UM AND POLLING LOCATION, WHICH IS GENERALLY THE CASE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, USUALLY YOU ARE ALLOWED THAT THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE UP FOR IT IN ANOTHER WAY, AND WHILE WE WOULD SAY THAT YOU CAN ONLY HOLD A TWO BY TWO THINK THERE IS A VERY LIKELY CHANCE THEY'RE GOING TO GAME IT AND CHEAT AND WHATEVER AND DARE US TO, BUT THERE WON'T BE 1000 PEOPLE OUT THERE. NO PROBABLY NOT. THERE COULD BE THERE COULD BE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? PROBABLY IN 1000 PEOPLE THEN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM WEARING A SHIRT THAT SAYS, WHATEVER I WANT TO SAY TO YOU P. AND I. I DON'T KNOW. I'M I'M KIND OF IS ANYONE ELSE NOT SEE THE BENEFIT OF ALLOWING IT TO BE AFFIXED AT ALL. AND YOU I THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE, I. I WOULD RATHER LIMIT THE SIGNS, BUT BUT THE ISSUE IS, I MEAN, NOT FRASIER. BUT WHOEVER'S THERE.LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT HAVE HIS NAME ON IT. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT. BECAUSE I HAVE A PERSON NAMES ON IT. I'M SURE IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT, I'D LOVE FOR STAFF TO INVESTIGATE. THERE'S A WAY TO KNEW THAT THAT WOULD BE MY OPTION. A MY OPTION. B HONESTLY WOULD JUST GO WITH THE TWO BY TWOS AND SEE HOW IT GOES. AND THEN IF IT GETS TO BE ABUSED THIS TIME WHERE WE JUST THINK THAT IT'S JUST A SIGNED VOMIT, THEN WE CAN. THEN WE GOT ANOTHER . WE GOT ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES. WE GOT ALL THE BATS. WE WANT TO STEP THIS THING UP AND CHANGE.
IT LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER LOCATIONS WE CAN USE. SORT OF JOHN AND JUDY GAY. PLEASE BRING THOSE UP INTO TWO LOCATIONS INSTEAD OF JUST ONE BECAUSE I SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT OPEN ALL THE TIME. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TO THE CENTER. UH, I BELIEVE THAT IS BEING USED. WHICH IS MAYBE A COUPLE OF MILES SOUTH. MAYBE NOT EVEN A COUPLE OF MILES SOUTH OF JOHN JUDY AND PROMOTING THOSE WOULD BE VALUABLE TO THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE ARE USED TO GOING TO THAT LOCATION AND THEY'RE GONNA GO SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. THERE ARE LIMITATIONS IN EMPERORS ALL ASK THAT YOU COME UP AND ME IF I AM WRONG OR SOMEBODY HELP ME HERE, BUT I THINK THERE ARE OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE POLLING LOCATIONS IN CERTAIN SENSES, TRACKS AND SO THE CHALLENGE IS, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS IN THESE CENSUS TRACKS IN AND AROUND JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY, SO THE OPTIONS ARE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO NOW I CAN SPEAK TO MID. TYPICALLY THEY WILL NOT USE ONE OF THEIR FACILITIES FOR A POLLING LOCATION, UNLESS THERE IS A SCHOOL ELECTION GOING ON, SO IT'S NOT. HEY, LET'S SHUT DOWN JOHN AND JUDY GAY LIBRARY AND ASK IS THERE TO DO IT? THEY WILL NOT JEOPARDIZE THE SECURITY OF THEIR FACILITY UNLESS THEY HAVE TO. FOR A SCHOOL ELECTION. AT LEAST THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SO THE OTHER THING THAT IF THE COUNCIL WOULD BE AMENABLE TO IT, I'D MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'VE PROPOSED TONIGHT. WE BETWEEN NOW AND AFTER THE MAY 28TH ELECTION, WE CAN RESEARCH WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. WE CAN PLAY OUT THE MAY 28TH ELECTION TO SEE HOW THESE NEW REGULATIONS WORK. DO THEY REIN IN SOME OF THE BAD BEHAVIOR THAT WE'RE SEEING? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO. IF IT IS JUST AS CHAOTIC, THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH MORE AMENDMENTS. WE CAN EXPAND ON THIS THIS CONVERSATION. WE CAN ALSO BRING CONTEXT. TO WHAT OUR CITY OUR SISTER CITIES ARE DOING . WHAT HAVE THEY DONE? WHAT EXPERIENCES DO THEY HAVE? AND WE CAN HAVE A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION AT THAT TIME, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NATION OR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WE HAVE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA I BELIEVE, BASED ON BEING OUT THERE AND COORDINATING WITH MY STAFF THAT THIS WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE . WILL IT SOLVE EVERY ISSUE? NO THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A WAY TO WORK AROUND AND WE'LL PLUG THOSE HOLES OR WE CAN GO DRASTIC AND WE CAN GET VERY AGGRESSIVE IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT PROPOSED TONIGHT. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. IT WILL GIVE US MORE TIME TO RESEARCH WHAT OTHER SISTERS USED TO THAT AND I'LL SUPPORT IT. BUT ME, II, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO RESEARCH CAN WE JUST YOU CANNOT AFFIX IT TO ANYTHING. WANT TO HAVE A SIGN. TWO BY TWO AND YOU CAN HOLD IT.
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JUST LIKE IN IN IN OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE PROTESTERS AND WHATNOT THEY CAN'T PUT A THEY CAN'T PUT A GROUND A STAKE IN THE GROUND. THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING. THEY YOU HAVE TO IT. I GOT TO BELIEVE THAT DOESN'T COMPROMISE US. MAY I ADDRESS THE ISSUE? IMPROVED BEAUTY OF MCKINNEY. LIMIT THE WAYS TO GET AROUND. WHATEVER WE DO AS YOU GO WITH ZERO AND BEAUTIFIES MCKINNEY DURING ELECTION SEASON AND IT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT AND LINE THE STREETS WITH PEOPLE HOLDING SIGNS ON PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T CONTROL AND IT LEADS IT TO POLICE DISCRETION, WHETHER THEY RUN THEM OFF FOR OBSTRUCTING A HIGHWAY OR OR ARREST THEM FOR OBSTRUCTING A HIGHWAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE STANDING IN THE CITY OWNED RIGHT OF WAY. UH, WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS. AND THOSE ARE MY TWO CENTS. I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. MANY SIGNS ALTOGETHER.YOU. YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE ISSUE OF HANDOUTS AND YELLING AT PEOPLE AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND I? I MEAN, BUT I'M JUST SAYING UNTIL UNTIL WE CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF THE REWARD HERE, THEN I, I MEAN, WOULD START WITH NO SIGNS. YEAH NO, I I'M ALL FOR NO SIGNS. I DON'T I DON'T CARE WHAT Y'ALL DO OVER HERE. NONE OF THIS AFFECTS PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO KEEP IN MIND BUT PROTECTING THE EXPERIENCE OF THE ELECTION PRESIDENT. OH, I UNDERSTAND HOW THE LIBRARY WITH THE KIDS. HAVE TO GO BY THE SEX BLOW UP DOLL. THAT IS WHY I DO NOT GO TO GENERAL JUDY ABOUT BUT WE WOULD APPRECIATE THIS TO GO FORWARD AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY STUDY THE OPTION. I'M WILLING TO ACQUIESCE TO MR QUINN'S REQUEST AND GO WITH HIS RECOMMENDATION FOR NOW. AND MICHAEL, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED IF WE WANTED TO JUST GO? NO SCIENCE PERIOD. I MEAN, I'LL DEFER TO THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. I DON'T I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY EITHER WAY. IT'S WHATEVER YOU WANT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. WHATEVER YOU'RE MARCHING ORDERS ARE WE'LL EXECUTE MARK. CAN WE DO THAT? IS THERE A LEGAL IF WE SAY NO. WELL, I THINK WE HAVE AN ELECTION THAT IS SO CLOSE THAT IT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT MIGHT BE WORTH FOR THIS ELECTION. I'D LIKE TO DEFER THAT QUESTION TO THE NOVEMBER IF YOU IF YOU WOULD QUESTION ABOUT PARTICULARLY ABOUT JOHN AND JUDY. GAY, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES OBVIOUSLY IS THE WAY PEOPLE ARE ACCOSTED AS THEY ARE GETTING OUT OF THEIR IS THERE A WAY TO CREATE A GREATER DISTANCE SUCH THAT THEY THEY CAN'T BE IN THE PARKING LOT. NOTHING DRASTIC WHAT THE VOTER HAS TO APPROACH THEM IN ORDER TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION, QUARTER MILES. SOMETHING LIKE THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT. STATE LAW DOES CREATE A PROHIBITION AREA. IT'S ABOUT 100 FT FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE DOOR, AND THAT'S MEANT TO BE THAT DON'T ACCOST ME ZONE. IF YOU WILL, THEN NO ELECTIONEERING ON THAT ALREADY EXISTS THE ULTIMATE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE AS A CITY CAN EXPAND THAT FROM 100 TO 203 100. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ANSWER IS NO. WE CAN'T NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S C. THERE'S CRIMINAL OFFENSES AS MR PHILLIPS HAS MENTIONED. AGAIN YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE MAKE A COMPLAINT. YOU HAVE TO SEE IT. IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICER PRESENT, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE ISSUES AND I THINK YOU MIGHT. YOU ALL KNOW THIS. SOME PEOPLE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING THOSE CRAZY SO I KNOW THAT I'M NOT SUGGESTING HOW OUR POLICE FORCE SHOULD DO THEIR JOB , MR HAUSER, BUT I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON ZERO WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE IN JUNE. 1 OF 2024. WE VOTED A WORK SESSION LIKE THAT, OR NO, IT'S NOT THE REGULAR AGENDA. I THINK I THINK WE ARE RIGHT THERE. I SAY ELIMINATE SIGNS RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UM WE THINK THE PRUDENT THING TO DO WOULD BE TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN PLANNING AND THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS WRITTEN. AND BUT BRING IT BACK RIGHT AFTER THAT ELECTION. WITH SOME YOU KNOW, DO SOME DEEPER DIVE. UH, IS THERE ANY WORK AROUND ON THE ON THE, UH, ON THE NO. A COSTING ZONE. IS THERE HANDHELD AND FULL PROHIBITION. PROCEDURE ARE WE PROHIBITED FROM AMENDING ONCE BEEN ALREADY NOTICED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. NO. AMEND IT.
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ALL RIGHT. JUST JUST HEADS UP. IT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO IF YOU DO WANT TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS, YOU'LL HAVE TO PULL IT DOWN. SO JUST A HEADS UP. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ALL[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, ACCORDING WITH ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 55 107 1 CONSULTATIONS WITH ATTORNEY A WORK SESSION. SPECIAL SESSION.REGULAR SESSION AGENDA ITEM REQUIRING CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE NECESSITATED BY THE DELIBERATION AND DISCUSSION OF SET ITEMS SECTION 10,107 1 PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION. SLC MCKINNEY PARTNERS UP. V CITY MCKINNEY, TEXAS DEFENDANT CIVIL CITATION NUMBER 4 93 019862024 AND THE 43RD DISTRICT COURT OF COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, SECTION 551074 PERSONNEL MATTERS, CITY MAN. ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW BY OUR DEPARTMENT AWARD COMPANY. WORD CODE SECTION 10,108 7 DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MATTERS, PROJECT VIBES AND THERE WILL NOT BE A CLERK. ACTION. THERE WILL BE ACTION. PROCESS. WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN RIGHT NOW. FROM OUR WORK SESSION. WE HAD A WORK SESSION THAT BEGAN AT THREE O'CLOCK.
WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN. IT WILL TAKE ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN MINUTES TO RESET FOR BROADCAST AND RECORDING AND ALL THAT, UM, FOR OUR NEXT MEETING TO BEGIN, SO, UM TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN OUR WORK SESSION MOTION SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, I SO WE ARE ADJOURNED FROM WORK SESSION AGAIN. WE'RE GONNA MO MO. MOST OF US PROBABLY WALK OFF THE DICE FOR A MINUTE. WE WILL NEED 10
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