Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by Andrew Branaugh of a Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition for the Building Located at 904 N Church Street

[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by Andrew Branaugh of a Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition for the Building Located at 904 N Church Street]

MUCH. OK ALL RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER HP 2024-0018 CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT ON THE REQUEST BY ANDREW IS IT, BRENNA? RENO? YES. SORRY, E A CERTIFICATE. APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION FOR THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 904 NORTH CHURCH STREET.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, I'LL BE PRESENTING ON THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF NINE AND FOUR NORTH CHURCH STREET. IT'S ALSO DRESSED AS TWO ADDRESSED AS 202 AND 204. JOSEPHINE AND THE OWNER. ANDY IS PRESENT TONIGHT. SO JUST TO GET ORIENTED WITH THE SITE. THIS IS A LOT THAT HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH CHURCH STREET AND JOSEPHINE. THE TWO PROPOSED DEMOLITIONS ARE PICTURED ON THIS SLIDE. THERE'S THE SMALL HOME AS WELL AS THAT KIND OF LARGE METAL ACCESSORY BUILDING. THE HOME IS AN EXAMPLE OF A FOLK VICTORIAN IN THE MIDDLE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS AN INDUSTRIAL STYLE, BOTH OF THESE IN THE 2015 HISTORIC RECESS RESOURCES SURVEY WERE CONSIDERED LOW PRIORITY. UM HISTORY OF THESE BUILDINGS HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO TRACK DOWN. THE MOST INFORMATION WE HAVE IS THAT THE HOME WAS AT LEAST INHABITED FROM 1950. THROUGH 1985, AND THAT THE ACCESSORY BUILDING WAS ASSOCIATED WITH MULEY PLUMBING. AND THEN THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH. UM ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET? THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE IN THERE. UM SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE HOME. THERE'S THE FACADE AS WELL AS THE NORTHEAST ELEVATION. AND THEN THE REAR OF IT AND THE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION.

AND THEN HERE'S THE ACCESSORY BUILDING. ALL RIGHT. AND SO THE APPLICA. THE APPLICANT HAD ALSO

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PROVIDED AN INSPECTION REPORT AND THEN STAFF ALSO HAS THE INSPECTION REPORT WITH THE ASSOCIATED CODE CASE FROM LAST YEAR, THE COCA FROM FEBRUARY 2023 AND CITED BOTH BUILDINGS AS SUBSTANDARD. THESE REPORTS SPEAK TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE TWO BUILDINGS. IF YOU WILL LOOK IN THERE, THERE ARE NOTES ABOUT ROOFING FOUNDATION, MISSING FLOORING, ETCETERA. THE BOARD HAS FOUR OPTIONS FOR THIS APPLICATION. YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION APPROVED CONDITIONS, DENY OR ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY. AT THE END OF THE 90 DAY DELAY, THE COA FOR DEMOLITION WOULD BE ISSUED AND A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR THE DEMOLITION. A AND THEN THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.

OK? THANK YOU, CASSY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASSIE? CASSIE UM, CAN YOU REMIND US AGAIN? UM THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS JUST RECENTLY, BUT THE 90 DAY. UM WHAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD DO A 90 DAY. UM, APPROVAL. SO THAT'S UP TO YOU. IF YOU WANNA GIVE THEM A 90 DAY DELAY, ESSENTIALLY THAT GIVES YOU 90 DAYS. TO TRY AND COME UP WITH OTHER OPTIONS OTHER THAN DEMOLITION, SO SELLING REPURPOSING THAT SORT OF THING. IS THIS AN ALL OR NOTHING? OR IS IT MUTUAL EXCLUSIVE TO EACH PROPERTY? SO THEY'RE ALL ON ONE PROPERTY, SO IT WOULD BE BOTH. EVEN THOUGH IT HAS THREE ADDRESSES. THIS IS TECHNICALLY ONE LEGAL LOT. IS TO BUILDINGS. I MEAN, UM ALONG A LONG TIME AGO . IT WAS THREE DIFFERENT ADDRESSES. UM BUT THEN OVER TIME, IT'S BECOME ONE. SO I UNDERSTAND. IT IS 100 YEARS OLD, BASICALLY. NEW HAMPSHIRE BUILDING SERVES REALLY NO HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. THE HOUSE NAME. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT SO NOT THAT WE'VE FOUND, SO WE LOOKED TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND ANY ASSOCIATION WITH THE HOUSE. WE COULDN'T FIND IT EXISTING BEFORE THE FIFTIES. UM AND, UH A FEW PEOPLE ON AND OFF LIVING THERE, BUT NOBODY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND HAD ANY HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE PER SE. UM AND ALL WE FOUND FOR THE OTHER BUILDING WAS THAT IT WAS A WAREHOUSE. AT ONE POINT. IT WAS LIKE A FLOWER WAREHOUSE OR BREAD OR SOMETHING. UM, AND THEN OTHER TIMES IT WAS WHAT YOU SEE THERE. RANDOM THINGS. SO HAS IT. DID IT CHANGE OWNER OWNERSHIP SINCE 1985 OR, UM I JUST LOOKED UP THE COLIN C A INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

UM IT SAYS THAT IN 2022. IT WAS, UM IT WAS OWNED BY RCN HOLDINGS. LLC UM, AND PRIOR TO THAT IN 2018. THAT'S THE LAST RECORD THAT THEY HAVE, UM, IT WAS OWNED BY CHARLES NIXON. UM AND EDTA.

NIXON AND I, UM IT WAS IN THEIR LIVING TRUST. UM SO I KIND OF JUST WANNA USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT UM, TYPICALLY IN, UM MINORITY HISTORY RECORDS AREN'T GOING TO BE AS WELL MAINTAINED OR TRACKED , AS UM, AS THOSE BELONGING TO, UM PEOPLE OF OTHER RACES. SO JUST AND THAT'S NOT FOR YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO KEEP THIS BUILDING BECAUSE OF WHOEVER, BUT, UM, JUST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HISTORICAL RECORDS. UM YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THOSE AREN'T ALWAYS, UM, AS EASY TO OBTAIN, OR UM OR FINED FOR PEOPLE OF MINORITY STATUS. TRUE. HEY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. JESSIE'S THERE. UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION SO I'M NOT ARGUING WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT SO BEFORE DEMOLITION. THE PERSON REQUESTING THE DEMOLITION OR TAKING THE APPLICATION HAS TO PROVE THAT REST TO SHOW THAT THEY COULD NOT. A REASONABLE RATE OF RETURN IF THEY DID A REHABILITATION. THEY DO NOT.

THEY DO NOT, UH, THAT'S NEVER CHANGED. UM, THEY JUST HAVE TO ASK FOR THE DEMOLITION. IF THEY WANT TO ARGUE THAT THEY CANNOT GET A REASONABLE RATE OF RETURN, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP APPLICATION AFTER THEY WERE DENIED. BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN

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ECONOMIC ISSUE. THIS ISN'T A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THOUGH. IT IS AT THE VERY EDGE AND IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEN, OK, AND SO THE PEOPLE PURCHASING IT IN 2022 KNEW IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. YES. IT'S BEEN SO THE NEW PURCHASE THE PEOPLE WHO PURCHASED IT HAD WERE FULLY AWARE THAT IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I WOULD THINK, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S IN 2022 IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THAT'S WHEN THE LAST PEOPLE PURCHASING BOUGHT IT RIGHT. SO SHE COME TO NO SURPRISE THAT IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING. AND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND IT'S PART OF I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A REALLY COOL BUILDING. AND IT'S PART OF THE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WHICH IS MUCH APPRECIATED BY PEOPLE FAR AND WIDE, SO I WOULD THINK THAT IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR 5060 YEARS, AND MAYBE DURING THAT TIME IT THEN BECAME PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. OK? BUT IT WAS PURCHASED IN 2022. SO THEY WERE FULLY AWARE THAT IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THEY WERE FULLY AWARE OF, OR NOT FULLY AWARE OF, UM WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. UH, IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SINCE 19. IT'S GOT A BROWN SIGN, RIGHT WAS CREATED, BUT OK? I THE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR APPROVAL.

AND UM, SO WHEN WE DEMO A HOME IS IT PRUDENT TO ASSUME THAT A HOME IS GOING TO REPLACE IT? BECAUSE IF SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN A HOME REPLACES IT, IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO WHAT'S GOING TO REPLACE IT? SO IS THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING RATED, UH, ZONE COMMERCIAL. IN THE HOUSE ON HOUSE ON THEY HAVE THE SAME ZONING. I BELIEVE, HOWEVER, THIS APPLICATION IS ONLY FOR THE DEMOLITION. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FOR A SEPARATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD AFTER THOSE, SO ONCE THEY GET APPROVAL FOR DEMOING, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR SOMETHING TO BE PUT IN ITS STEAD, AND WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL ENHANCE THE UH, CURRENT AMBIENCE OF THE AREA AND THE DOWNTOWN, RIGHT. WELL, I WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS , AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO P AND C RATHER THAN US, RIGHT? NO NO.

IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO GO. BUT I MEAN, IF THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, REZONING TRYING TO REZONE FOR COMMERCIAL LIKE THE WAY THEY WERE GOING TO REZONE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO IT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE TO GO TO PPNZ. YEAH. WOULD COME COME AROUND AGAIN. AND LIKE CASSIE SAID THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO AC O A FOR WHATEVER THEY PROPOSE TO PUT THERE SO IT WOULD COME BACK AROUND. I. I BELIEVE THAT THE OWNER, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, AND, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, AND, UM SOUNDS LIKELY I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU AND WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SOUNDS LIKE IT. SO MY NAME IS ANDY BRENNO, UM I CURRENTLY LIVE AT 1207 PINE STREET. UM, OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE LOT AT 904 CHURCH STREET. UH, THE INTENT IS TO BUILD ANOTHER HOME THERE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

UM UH, THAT WE HOPE WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HELP BRING MORE VALUE AS FAR AS WHAT ON CHURCH STREET AND, UM YOU KNOW CURRENTLY THESE FACILITIES HAVE BEEN A BIG TARGET FOR THE TRANSIENT COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE HAD A REALLY HARD TIME KEEPING THEM. FIGURED OUT AND EVERYTHING AND EVEN SO MUCH FOR LAST YEAR, THE CITY ACTUALLY CAME TO ME AND WAS DEMANDING THAT I DEMOLISH THE BUILDINGS SO SINCE FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS ROUTE, WHICH IS FINE. I MEAN, I DEFINITELY WANNA FOLLOW ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE THAT ARE PUT FORTH. TO US AND ADD SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE A BENEFIT TO THAT STREET AND THE COMMUNITY. UM AND YOU ASKED ABOUT THE HISTORIC WHEN WE DID BUY IT. IT WAS DISCLOSED THAT IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT MEANT WE JUST NEEDED TO GET APPROVAL APPROVAL TO PUT ANYTHING ON THERE. THAT WAS NOT BY ANY OF YOU, BUT, UM SO WHEN I FOUND OUT I FOUND OUT AT THE END OF LAST YEAR THAT THAT'S THE ONE BUILDING WAS DEEMED A HISTORIC STRUCTURE IT THAT WAS A SURPRISE . WE DIDN'T EXPECT THAT AND OBVIOUSLY UM, IT'S CREATED SOME CHALLENGES, BUT BUT WE DO INTEND TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IF WE CAN GET APPROVAL AND, UM AND HOPEFULLY BE THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. YOU HAVE NOTICED THE PROPERTY BEEN DEEMED

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SUBSTANDARD WHEN HE BOUGHT IT. UM WELL, YOU COULD JUST GO IN AND LOOK. YEAH, WE KNEW WE KNEW THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE FALLING APART AND EVEN SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES YOU MENTIONED THE METAL BUILDING. UM IT'S IN THERE IN THE PAPERWORK THAT PROVIDED BUT I DID HAVE AN INSPECTION DONE. AND BASICALLY, UM THEY SAID, IF TO REFURBISH THIS BUILDING IS A 95% REBUILD. UM AND WE COULDN'T EVEN RELOCATE IT. YOU KNOW, THEY THEY NOTED IN THERE THAT IF YOU TRIED TO RELOCATE THIS BUILDING IT WOULD JUST FALL APART HAVE EITHER ONE OF THEM BEEN CONDEMNED BY THE CITY. SAID THEY URGE YOU TO TEAR IT DOWN, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE. YES THEY HAVE GONE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND BEEN GIVEN AN ORDER TO COME TO US FIRST, AND THEN GO BACK TO THEM TO EITHER GET A BUILDING PERMIT TO FIX EVERYTHING OR TO DEMO. IT. ABOUT YOU. UH, BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS. SORRY. BUILDINGS AND STANDARDS. I MET WITH THEM IN JANUARY ON THAT, YEAH, IT'S A SHAME THAT IT WAS LET GO FOR SO LONG TILL IT GOT TO THAT POINT. THE CITY TOOK NO ACTION WHEN THERE WAS A CHANCE OF IT. ACTUALLY BEING FIXED. HAVE TO WAIT TILL IT WAS READY TO COLLAPSE. AND TRUST ME. AFTER WE FOUND ALL THIS OUT. WE LOOKED THROUGH THAT BUILDING I WENT THROUGH WITH THE ARCHITECT ENGINEER. CAN WE DO ANYTHING WITH THIS? CAN WE MAKE THIS A PART OF THE HOME AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE THIS IS YOUR BASICALLY JUST BUILDING SOMETHING NEW IF YOU DO THAT. THE SCALE OF THE REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE YOU'RE PLANNING CAN YOU GIVE US SOME IDEA ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? UM IT'S GONNA BE A LARGE HOME. SO ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 5000 SQUARE FEET. UM YEAH. UM IT'LL BE, UH I MEAN, IT'S A CORNER LOT, SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA HAS QUITE BEEN LARGER THAN THE HOUSES AROUND. IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT IN THERE. THERE'S UH, IT IT IT'LL BE. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE REALLY NICE. WE'VE WE'VE GOT SOME PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS ALREADY DONE. AND I KNOW SOME OF THE HOUSES ON CHURCH STREET. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'VE HAD SOME OPEN HOUSES, WE WENT AND LOOKED AT THEM TO GET IDEAS ON ON WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT YOU KNOW HOW TO ACCLIMATE IT AND FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY. BUT I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND AGAIN IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? LOTS THERE. FOR UM.

IT'S LIKE A I THINK I BELIEVE IT'S A HALF ACRE LOT, AND THERE'S AN EMPTY ONE RIGHT BEHIND IT AS WELL. SO WE ARE HOPING BY PUTTING THE HOME THERE THAT SOMEBODY WILL COME. AND ADD SOMETHING SIMILAR BEHIND US. UM IS LIKE YOU. WE DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING COMMERCIAL THERE AND HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL BEHIND US, BUT ORIGINALLY TOM THAT LOT IN THE FRONT THAT ACTUALLY IS ON THE PART OF THE LAW. THAT'S ON 904 CHURCH, UH, WAS THE BELEY PLUMBING WAREHOUSE BUILDING. AND SO THAT WAS DEMO. WANT TO SAY, 15 YEARS AGO. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU COME IN AND BE IN HERE. OK? IF I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. RIGHT. YOU HAVE A MOTION, OR DO YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS IT ANYMORE? OR OK, MR PANT. AND THEN SECOND BY MR MCWILLIAMS. OK, EVERYONE PLACE YOUR VOTE. I'M GONNA HAVE TO TERRY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO THAT MAN IN THERE. ABOUT TO APPROVE. PERSON IN HERE, BUT IT'S NOT. THERE GOES THERE GOES OK, WE FIXED IT. I THINK YOU DID IT. EXCUSE ME. OK ALL RIGHT. GOOD DEAL. 6 TO 1. ALL RIGHT, UM THAT ITEM HAS BEEN APPROVED. OK

[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by applicant Jeremy Jones on behalf of owner Barratt Properties, LLC of a Certificate of Appropriateness for Relocation of the historic Thomas Johnson House/Surrey House Located at 312 S Tennessee Street]

NOW WE ARE GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER HP. 2024-002 CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT ON THE REQUEST BY APPLICANT JEREMY JONES ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER OF BARROT. PROP PROPERTIES. LLC OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR RELOCATION OF THE HISTORIC THOMAS JOHNSON HOUSE. SURREY SURREY HOUSE LOCATED AT 312, SOUTH TENNESSEE STREET, AND THEY'RE OK, CASSIE. ALRIGHT GOOD EVENING, SO THE NEXT FEW ITEMS ARE ALL RELATED TO A LARGER PROJECT. THIS SPECIFIC ITEM IS FOR THE PROPOSED RELOCATION OF 312, SOUTH TENNESSEE, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY KNOWN AS THE TOM AND THOMAS JOHNSON HOUSE AND NOW IS KNOWN AS THE SURREY HOUSE. UH AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TODAY. ALL RIGHT. IN THE PACKET. I INCLUDED THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES NOMINATION FORM FOR THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS CITED AS ONE OF THE BEST LOCAL EXAMPLES OF CLASSICAL REVIVAL ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE OF ITS DORIC COLUMNS AND UNIQUE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF HIP ROOFED BUNGALOWS IN MCKINNEY. WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1910. AND HAS A HIGH PRIORITY

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RATING. AND THEN THIS IS FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE SURREY HOUSE. THIS MAP SHOWS THE PROPOSED RELOCATION ON THE SITE. THE PROPOSAL SAYS THAT IT IS GOING TO BE OFFICE FOR THE DEPARTMENT COMPLEX. HAVE WE DONE ANY WORK TO SEE IF THE HOUSE CAN REMAIN. WHERE IT IS INTACT. AND FIT INTO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE DEPARTMENTS. I CAN LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT AFTER THE PRESENTATION. I DON'T ACTUALLY I'M NOT SURE OF THAT AT THIS MOMENT. HERE ARE THE CURRENT PHOTOS OF, UM, THE SURREY HOUSE. AND PREVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT HAD COME TO STAFF FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR RELOCATION BACK LAST YEAR. WITH THE IMPENDING EXPIRATION OF THEIR PREVIOUS APPROVAL. THEY'RE HERE TODAY FOR A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE BOARD HAS FOUR OPTIONS FOR THIS APPLICATION APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS, DENIAL OR ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY AND AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, AT THE END OF THE 90 DAY DELAY, THE C A WOULD BE ISSUED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR THE RELOCATION. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. UM I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU SAID THAT THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE BOARD LAST YEAR? NO. NO. OK, WE WEREN'T THAT WASN'T OK. SO WHAT? WHAT WAS IT? SORRY THAT DIDN'T COME TO THE BOARD LAST YEAR. UM, IT WAS JUST A STAFF APPROVAL OF RELOCATION. OK, SO, UM, THAT PROCESS HAS CHANGED THEN WE HAVE. YEAH, WE HAVE STARTED.

ADDING THE RELOCATIONS WITH THE DEMOLITIONS. OK, I WANT YOU GUYS OK? GOT IT. I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE I WASN'T I FEEL LIKE I DON'T KNOW SOMEBODY CAN CHIME IN. UM BECAUSE THIS IS IN BITS AND PIECES. UM I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED HERE, AND I THINK WE WOULD ALL BENEFIT GETTING KIND OF, UH, A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE PLAN IS.

WHERE IT STANDS AND WHAT STEPS ARE BEFORE BEFORE I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE MAKING ANY TYPE OF DECISION ON ANY SO BECAUSE IF WE'RE IF WE'RE IF WE WANT THE, UH, THAT WOULD BE OK. OK OK. OK SO I THINK THE APPLICANT IS HERE . AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT, CASSIE, THANK YOU DON'T GO FAR BECAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY NEED WE'LL PROBABLY YEAH. OK, GOOD FOR GOOD EVENING. DON'T MAKE THAT. SO. MY NAME IS JEREMY JONES AS THE APPLICANT OF THIS ITEM IN THE NEXT FIVE ITEMS, THERE'S SIX ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR US TODAY. CAROL BARRETT AND MARK BARRETT. CAROL IS HERE AS WELL. THEY, UH HAVE PURCHASED 2.7 ACRES. IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. INCLUDING THE SIX HOUSES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEY PURCHASED THOSE HOMES AT VARIOUS TIMES, BUT MOSTLY IN THE NINETIES. THEY'VE OWNED EVERYTHING FOR A VERY LONG TIME. FAR BEFORE, UM EXTENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS REALLY FULLY ESTABLISHED IN ITS GLORY. SO WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME. AND RESOURCES. LOOKING INTO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF EACH OF THESE SIX BUILDINGS. WHAT IT MEANS. WHAT CAN WE DO WITH IT? HOW CAN WE UTILIZE IT? CAN YOU RELOCATE IT OR NOT? IS IT STRUCTURALLY SOUND? AND THAT'S WHAT THE PACKETS BEHIND EACH OF THESE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS REFLECT. SO WE HAVE SPENT THE BETTER PART OF MAYBE. TWO YEARS. 2.5 YEARS. CONSIDERING THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS SITE AND THE SIX BUILDINGS ON IT. SO WE APPRECIATE THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. AND THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT AWESOME. IS THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY THAT MAKES IT SO VIBRANT. IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN AS VIBRANT AS IT IS. IN FACT, I GREW UP IN FAIRVIEW JUST CLOSE TO HERE. SO I'M NOT THAT OLD BUT I'M OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE SEEN IT EBB AND FLOW A BUNCH OF TIMES WHERE RETAIL HAS TURNED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. SO WITH THIS 2.7 ACRES THAT THE BARRETTS OWN AND HAVE OWNED FOR A VERY LONG TIME, HOUSING IS WHAT SEEMS TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO US. DENSE HOUSING. SPECIFICALLY AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE 72.07 ACRE SITE. THAT'S DISCLOSED. WE'VE TALKED TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY ABOUT IT MULTIPLE TIMES. WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THEM NEXT WEEK. AS PART OF THAT WE HAVE ENTERTAINED. WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THESE SIX HOMES THAT MAKE SENSE

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THAT WE CAN PRESERVE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY WHILE ALSO ADDING A BOON IN A BENEFIT TO THE DOWNTOWN OF DOWNTOWN AND MCKINNEY. AND WELL, WHERE WE'VE LANDED. IS THAT GIVEN THE MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER ZONING, THE LARGE PACKET THAT IT IS THAT 72.07 ACRES. IT SPANS THE DOWNTOWN CORE AND THE DOWNTOWN EDGE. PEACE SPENDS BOTH OF THOSE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF APPROVED USES, AND ONE OF THEM IS HOUSING, SO THAT IS WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO WITH IT. UM WE FEEL THAT THE RELOCATION OF THE SURREY HOUSE, SO ONE STEP BACK. SURREY HOUSE IS AWESOME. IS A VERY COOL BUILDING. AND CAROL HAS, YOU KNOW, RUN A UH, WEDDING AND RECEPTION VENUE OUT OF THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. SO SHE LOVES THAT BUILDING, TOO. WE NEVER CONSIDERED DOING ANYTHING TO THAT BUILDING THAT WOULD HURT IT. SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO RELOCATE IT TO THE HARD CORNER. STAND FOR IN TENNESSEE.

IF ANYTHING TO US, IT RAISES ITS PROMINENCE. IT'LL GET REFURNISHED. FACADES WE HAVE ALREADY AGREED WITH STATE THE EXACT SAME NO CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS. THAT WAS IN THE APPROVAL OF CONDITION THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CONDITION LAST TIME. SO WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING TO MODIFY THE LOOK. OR THIS STRUCTURE OR THE ARCHITECTURE OF IT. BUT TO ACTUALLY JUST MAKE IT A PROMINENT THE FIRST ENTRY POINT OF THIS NEW COMMUNITY. WE THINK IT COULD BE REALLY AWESOME. AND SO THAT, UH, SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO THE SURREY HOUSE. THE OTHER BUILDINGS ALSO ARE OF LESS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. IN FACT, THE ONE ON 400, SOUTH TENNESSEE WHICH IS ACROSS THE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM YOU. BARRETT'S BROUGHT IT IN. IT'S NOT EVEN FROM HERE. IT IS FROM OAK CLIFF. AND SO WE HAVE DONE UH, A LOT OF WORK TO GET TO THIS POINT AND APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I TURN IT BACK TO CASSIO. OR CASSY. EXCUSE ME HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS.

WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE INITIAL STAGES OF THE ZONING PROCESS. WE DO NOT HAVE BUILDING PERMITS IN HAND. I GUESS THE OUTSTANDING QUESTION IS YOU'RE A PROPOSED USE FOR THE PROPERTY. CAN YOU GIVE US A DESCRIPTOR? THE COMMENTS YOU'VE MADE TERRY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP? AND I WANNA JUST MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION. UM, THEY HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH ANY, UH, SITE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THIS YET. THEY'VE ONLY DONE A PREVE MEETING AND THEY'RE DOING ANOTHER PREVE MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. SO UM, SO THEY FORMAL SITE PLAN SUBMISSION WITH FACADE PLANS AND ALL OF THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN YET. CAN YOU REVEAL TO US YOUR CONCEPTS, OF COURSE. UM THE CONCEPT IS THAT IT IS A PROPOSED TO BE A FOUR STORY. APARTMENT A FOUR STORY APARTMENT COMMUNITY. WHICH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ALLOWS UP TO FIVE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. FOUR STORIES. 240 APARTMENTS 340 IS WHAT IS PROPOSED. YOU'RE AWARE OF THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS ALREADY BUILT IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. I AM THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT MANY. YOU FEEL THAT YOU CAN RENT THESE APARTMENTS THAT MANY APARTMENTS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH IT. OVERALL OUR MY CONCERN IS ALREADY THE ZONING IS ALREADY IN PLACE. SO LET ME LET ME CLARIFY THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER, UH, IS A MIX OF WHAT'S CALLED THE DOWNTOWN CORE ZONE, A CHARACTER DISTRICT AND THE DOWNTOWN EDGE. AT PRESENT, THE DOWNTOWN CORE STOPS AT BEVO STREET, WHICH I BELIEVE IT NOW ANTHONY STREET, THE NORTHERN, THE MORE NORTHERN ONE AND IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE FIVE STORIES IS THE MAX, UM AND IN THE DOWN ON EDGE, WHICH IS THE LOWER HALF OF THIS PROPERTY. UH, THREE STORIES IS THE MAX AND SHOW ANYTHING ABOVE THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL APPROVALS FROM CURRENT. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU'RE PUTTING THE SURRY HOUSE DOWN THERE SO YOU CAN PUT THE HIGH BUILDINGS UP ABOVE. WE HAD TWO QUESTIONS. SO JAMIE DUNN HAD A QUESTION AND JOHANNA HAD A QUESTION. I DIDN'T HEAR JOHANNA'S HE DID, UM, I SAID, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU'RE PUTTING THE SIRI HOUSE LOWER BECAUSE THERE'S THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THREE STORIES AND YOU PEN SO THEN YOU'LL HAVE MORE ROOM FOR HIGHER APARTMENTS OVER THERE WHERE YOU WOULDN'T DOWN BELOW.

THAT'S PART OF IT. WE HAVE ENTERTAINED. HAD HANDFUL OF SITE PLANS TO TRY TO GET IT TO WORK.

AND THAT IS ONE CONSIDERATION. AND THEN JIMMY DAN. YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IS IT ZONED RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE IT IS NO BECAUSE IT IS IN THE MTC AND THE DOWNTOWN EDGE IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE CHARACTER DISTRICTS. IT HAS A NUMBER OF POSSIBLE USES THAT COULD BE ALLOWED THERE FROM

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SINGLE FAMILY TO MULTIFAMILY TO A MICROBREWERY AND A WINERY OR BREW PUB DRIVE IN RESTAURANTS, BANKS SCHOOLS. THAT MANY OPTIONS COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT INDOOR WITH AN SU THE WHOLE A WHOLE SLEW OF THINGS THAT IS POSSIBLY A NUMBER OF USES IS ABOUT A PAGE LONG. WHEN DID WHEN DID THAT ZONING GO? UH, GENTLEMEN. 2013 2013 2013 OK? AS YOU'RE DEALING WITH IT STEEPLY SLOPED PROPERTY.

WITH APPROXIMATELY A TWO STORY FALL FROM THE IN STREET DOWN BELOW TO KENTUCKY STREET SIDE.

IS YOUR PLAN TO PUT THIS DEVELOPMENT INTO THE EARTH AT LEAST TWO FLOORS. THAT IS IN A PSEUDO OBSERVATION. IT IS ACTUALLY A 13 FT FALL. SO ABOUT LITTLE ONE AND A THIRD STORY AND, YES, THE WEST SIDE. BOTTOM FLOOR. WILL IT BUT UP TO DIRT. THE SECRETARY, AN ARCHITECT AND PLANNER IS BASICALLY AS I HAD IN THE PREVIOUS, UH COMMENTS WAS WE SEEM TO HAVE A LACK OF SENSE OF SCALE. I KNOW IT'S ALLOWED BY ZONING, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCALE OF WHAT'S PROPOSED TO REPLACE STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN OUT AND RELOCATED. IN A SENSE, THE FABRIC OF THE TOWN IS BUILT ON A SCALE. THAT'S ONE THING AND WHAT'S COMING IN IS QUITE ANOTHER. AND YOU SEE MY CONCERN. I'M JUST ONE OF MANY PEOPLE THAT COME TO ME WITH THAT QUESTION. ARE WE REALLY WANTING ANOTHER PROJECT LIKE THAT? AND I'M SAYING I JUST AS AN INDIVIDUAL ECHOING WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OTHER PEOPLE. IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO SEE THERE? AND IS THERE A BETTER OPTION FOR YOU? IN A SENSE, I AND JAMES, I THINK THAT THESE ARE GREAT COMMENTS, JEREMY.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I THINK THESE ARE GREAT COMMENTS. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON WHAT OUR WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IS THE RELOCATION. UH, WITH THE ZONING IS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF, AND UM AND WHETHER WE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT AS THIS BOARD WE NEED TO FOCUS ON, UM, WHETHER WE WANT TO APPROVE THE RELOCATION OF THIS HOUSE, AND, UM, SO I HAVE A COMMENT TO THAT VEIN. AND DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT FOR SURE. UM SO IT'S BEST INTENTIONS TO TRY AND MOVE. AND OVER 100 YEAR OLD HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WE ALL HOPE THAT THAT GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN , BUT IT IS AN OLD HOUSE AND WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE, AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY OR SAID WE'RE GONNA RENOVATE THIS, UM CERTAIN BUILDINGS COME TO MIND AND THEN WHEN THE CITY OR PRIVATE CITIZENS GET INVOLVED IN IT, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE MADE A MISTAKE. WE CAN'T RENOVATE IT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEMOLISH IT.

AND SO THIS IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL HIGH PRIORITY HOME. I WOULD HATE TO SEE GETTING INTO IT JUST TO MOVE IT DOWN THE STREET A LITTLE BIT AND FIND OUT THAT YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT ROTTEN BOARDS ON THE INSIDE. IT'S NOT GONNA TRANSFER AS WELL AS WE THOUGHT. IT'S GONNA BE TOO EXPENSIVE AND IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE TO MOVE IT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEMO IT, AND THAT'S MY FEAR. BECAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE. IT IS A HISTORICAL STRUCTURE CLEARLY LOVED IT AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GETTING A FEW MORE APARTMENTS IN ABOVE. IT'S I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY RISKY AND AGAIN, I. I THINK IT'S BEST INTENTIONS THAT IT'S GONNA MOVE. YOU KNOW, MOVE AND MOVE SUCCESSFULLY, BUT IT'S AN OLD BUILDING. WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT REALLY COMING OFF? THE WAY WE THINK IT'S GONNA COME OFF? I MEAN, HOPEFULLY IT WOULD, BUT YOU KNOW? UNDERSTAND. I THINK YOU I THINK THAT CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT. IS A FINANCIAL MATTER. I THINK THE CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER WE DEMO IT OR NOT. STILL COMES BACK TO YOU. MHM. IN OTHER WORDS, I UM SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE. YEAH, I CAN QUITE GET THAT. MUCH THE CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER IT COSTS US MORE MONEY THAN WE THINK TO PUT IT BACK TOGETHER. THAT IS A PRIVATE CONSIDERATION THAT A FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION. NOT A HISTORIC CONSIDERATION IT A FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION. IF WE HAVE COMMITTED TO DO THAT, THAT'S ON US. THE DECISION WHETHER WE DEMO IT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE MESSED IT UP SO BAD. WE GOTTA COME BACK HERE. SO YOU DON'T LOSE ANYTHING, I GUESS IS

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MY POINT BY BY ALLOWING US TO TRY. WELL, IF WE ALLOW YOU TO TRY YOU CAN'T PRESUPPOSE WE FILM . I DON'T KNOW. I JUST IT'S JUST SUCH A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, AND IT'S PART OF THE CULTURE OF YOU KNOW MCKINNEY AND IT IS IN THE HISTORIC AREA AND PART OF WHAT WE'RE VETTED TO DO IS TO PROTECT THESE VERY UNIQUE PROPERTIES AND TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE EVERYBODY TAKE A BREATH AND THINK ABOUT IT. I MEAN, IS IT REALLY GONNA BE WORTH ALL OF THE TIME AND EFFORT OF MOVING IT DOWN THE STREET IF IT'S GOING TO RISK JUST, YOU KNOW, HURTING THE BUILDING. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S IT. IN MY OPINION, THAT'S A BIG RISK. FOR A FEW MORE APARTMENTS, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW? PURCHASED IT. YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY ON IT, BUT IT IS AN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN TYPICALLY PEOPLE WHO PURCHASE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF HISTORY AND OF MCKINNEY, WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE APARTMENTS HERE IS BECAUSE OF BUILDINGS LIKE THE SURRY HOUSE, AND IF YOU MOVE THEM OR THEY GET DESTROYED IN THE MOVING AND YOU JUST END UP WITH A BUNCH OF APARTMENT HOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE DOWNTOWN FRISCO OR DALLAS, THEN IT'S YOU'RE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A FAIRVIEW SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE GOT EMPTY APARTMENTS AND NOBODY WANTS TO GO THERE. I MEAN, THAT IS THE COOL PART OF MCKINNEY IS THAT WE HAVE THESE UNIQUE PLACES, SO WE REALLY NEED TO THINK. HARD BEFORE WE ALLOW THINGS TO HAPPEN TO THESE BUILDINGS, BECAUSE ONCE THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE GONE. AND I DON'T MEAN TO BRING UP A SORE SUBJECT.

BUT LIKE THE ICE HOUSE, THE BEST INTENTIONS WERE FOR ALL TO LIKE WE WERE GONNA, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE IT, AND IT WAS GONNA BE KIND OF THE CENTER POINT AND THEN WHEN IT GOT TO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION, IT JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE OR COST EFFECTIVE. AND NOW WHAT DO WE SEE WHEN WE GO DOWN FIVE? WELL, WE SEE A BUNCH OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS. SO WHAT DO WE WANT MCKINNEY TO LOOK LIKE. AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. GUYS. I JUST I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT JUST I WOULD HATE TO SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN TO HER JUST MY OPINION. I GUESS I HAVE KIND OF SOME TECHNICAL QUESTIONS . UM KIND OF BASED ON WHAT? UM WHAT JOHANNA SAID. UM ONE HAS IT BEEN CONSIDERED? WHAT THE WHAT? THE POTENTIAL, UM, PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THE HOUSE STAYED IN THE SAME PLACE. AND DO YOU GUYS UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A REASON FOR IT BEING NOT AN OPTION BECAUSE FROM WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER, AND I MAY HAVE MISHEARD YOU. UM BUT WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT IT'S EITHER RELOCATION OR DEMOLITION. UM AND SO, I. I JUST WONDER WHAT, UM, WHAT THE CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN FOR KEEPING IT IN THE SAME PLACE. AND IF THERE IS AN OPTION TO, UM , YOU KNOW, BUILD KIND OF NEXT TO IT. UM OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW THE, UM THE HEIGHT THE SCALE CONSIDERATION.

UM SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO HEAR YOUR INSIGHT ON THAT. AND THEN ALSO, UM UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION, AND I FORGOT IT SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. NO WORRIES. UM WE NEVER CONSIDER DEMOING IT SO I, UM THAT PART WE HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED. WE HAVE CONSIDERED LEAVING IT. AND A HOST OF SITE PLANS AROUND LEAVING IT. THAT'S WHAT'S TAKEN US 2.5 YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT. MHM. WHAT HAPPENS IS IT DOES NOT WORK. THE SHORT OF IT, IT DOES NOT WORK. WOULD NOT ASK FOR IT IF WE COULD ACTUALLY DO IT. WOULD NOT COME HERE TO ASK PERMISSION IF WE COULD HAVE ALREADY MADE IT WORK. UM WHAT? WHAT HAPPENS INSTEAD, IS NOTHING IT STAYS A VACANT LOT FOR 2.4 ACRES OF IT WAS SIX HOMES THERE. THAT'S IT. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A WAY TO HELP THE CITY OF MCKINNEY PROGRESS. PROVIDE MORE HOUSING. AND COMPLEMENTARY TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF IT.

CAROLS OWNED THE BUILDING FOR 25 YEARS. NOT ONE PERSON IN HERE LOVES THAT BUILDING MORE THAN SHE DOES. THAT'S THE SHORT OF IT. AND, UH, SHE'S SUPPORTING RECOMMENDING PROPOSING THE RELOCATION OF IT AS WELL. SO IT'S NOT THAT UM, A BIG BAD DEVELOPERS COMING IN TO SAY, HEY, I BOUGHT THIS LAST YEAR. WHO CARES? WHO CARES? THIS IS A SHAM. THE PERSON WHO CARES MOST ABOUT IT IS THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. UM THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION TO BUILD ANYTHING IN THAT VACANT LAND IS SO HIGH RIGHT NOW. THAT DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH RENTABLE SQUARE FEET TO SUPPORT THE COST OF A PARKING STRUCTURE OR ANYTHING ELSE. WITHOUT THE RELOCATION OF IT. THAT'S SO SHORT OF IT. IT'S KIND

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OF WHERE WE LANDED. OK YEAH. UM THAT REMINDED ME OF MY OTHER QUESTION. UM, SO THE RELOCATION UM YOU KNOW, WE, UM, UH, KIND OF MENTIONED THE FEAR OF. MAYBE IT NOT GOING SO WELL, UM, WHAT ARE THE PLANS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE FOR RELOCATION? UM YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE STRUCTURE INTACT AND, UM, MAINTAINING IT. HOW FAR INTO THAT PROCESS? HAVE YOU GUYS GOTTEN WE HAVE TALKED TO A FEW MOVERS FOR ONE THAT MOVE HISTORICAL HOMES ALL THE TIME. AND HE FEELS COMFORTABLE THAT HE CAN DO IT. WE HAVE HAD AN ENGINEER LOOK AT IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S STRUCTURALLY SOUND ENOUGH.

TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ACROSS. WE HAVE DONE ENGINEERING STUDIES. WE HAVE ARCHITECTS. WHO DO THIS ALL DAY LONG. LOOK AT IT AS WELL . SO WE DEFINITELY CONSULTED A HANDFUL OF PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS , WHICH DOES NOT HAPPEN TO BE MY EXPERTISE PERSONALLY, AND SO WE'RE WE'RE, OF COURSE RELIANT ON WHAT THEY TELL US AND WHAT THEY SAY. BUT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE THAT IT WILL WORK.

THANK YOU. HURRY UP. I APOLOGIZE. UM WHAT WOULD THE SETBACK BE ON THE ROAD? AND WHAT ABOUT PARKING BE, UM THE STAFF AT THE P AND Z HAVE WON A 0 FT SETBACK. NOT WANT TO STEP BACK.

NO SETBACK. NOW THAT THERE'S THIS THE ON THE SURREY HOUSE OR ON ON THE APARTMENT. ZONING STANDARD. THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR, UH, FOR THESE TWO DISTRICTS IS A 5 FT SETBACK.

WITH A BILL TO ZONE THAT YOU BUILD SO FAR INTO THAT SPACE AS WELL, UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF THIS. THIS WHOLE DISTRICT. IT IS TRUE. IT DEPENDS ON THE DISTRICT . WE'RE IN TWO DISTRICTS AS PAULA MENTIONED. THE SETBACK IS DIFFERENT FOR EACH OF THEM. NOW THESE ARE BOTH FIVE. IT'S IF YOU GET INTO THE HISTORIC CORPS. THEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE LOWER NUMBERS, BUT IT'S STILL FIVE AND 10. I THINK THE BILL TWO ZONES EXPANDS A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU GET OUT, BUT THE SET ITSELF. SO WHAT'S THE SETBACK RIGHT NOW OF THE HOMES, THE EXISTING HOMES? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, APPROXIMATELY PROBABLY 20 FT. SO 15 ON THE KENTUCKY SIDE, SO NOT ONLY ARE WE REPLACING HOMES WITH AN APARTMENT BUILDING. WE'RE CHANGING THE SETBACK. SO IN MOST DEVELOPMENTS EVEN CLOSE TO THE SQUARE. THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT, UH USUALLY ALLOWED SO YOU'RE YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WHOLE UH, FEELING OF THAT AREA. BY HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN MAINTAINING THE SETBACK. THAT IS A CITY OF MCKINNEY. QUESTION IT IS, IT IS WORTH BRINGING UP BECAUSE WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT? IF YOU'RE GOING TO IF YOU'RE GONNA RAISE A BUILDING, WHY, AT LEAST WERE YOU NOT REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS LIKE IT BEFORE, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE HE WAS TRYING TO DO. HE'S AT LEAST TRYING TO PUT A RESIDENTIAL TO REPLACE A RESIDENTIAL AND I IMAGINE HE'LL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT SETBACK IN THAT AREA. BUT YOU'RE YOU PROPOSING NOT ONLY TAKING HOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YOU'RE REPLACING IT WITH A MULTIFAMILY.

AND COMPLEX AND THEN YOU'RE MOVING THE SET BACK UP. 15 FT. THAT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL IN MY OPINION. IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF IT. IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A WALL OF BRICK. LOOK LIKE IN THE POD. MHM. TO MCDONALD. MHM. OUR INTENT IS TO DO WHAT IS ALLOWED BY THE CITY OF MCKINNEY.

WE DID NOT SET THE RULES, BUT I MEAN PART OF PART OF PART OF ME DOING RIGHT? WHAT PART OF LIVING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS MAYBE NOT JUST DOING WHAT'S ALLOWED. BUT MAYBE WHAT'S DOING WHAT'S GONNA MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMMUNITY OF MCKINNEY AND WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY HAS MADE A RULE OR A LAW THERE COMES A POINT TO WHERE YOU KNOW. IS IT THE RIGHT THING TO DO? IS IT GONNA MAINTAIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE AND WE GET A FANTASTIC AMOUNT OF PEOPLE VISITING THIS AREA THAT WANT TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE OF HOW IT LOOKS AND CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE DOWNTOWN IS IT'S A TRICKLE EFFECT. IT'S GONNA START AFFECTING THE CHARACTER AND THE AND THE AMBIENCE AND THE VIBE OF, YOU KNOW. OF THE AREA. LOOK AT TUFTS BREWERY. I MEAN, HE COULD HAVE PUT APARTMENTS IN OVER THERE. IT'S GOT LOTS OF GREEN SPACE. HE SPENT LOTS OF MONEY, UM, MAINTAINING THOSE BUILDINGS AND IT'S JUST JUST A WONDERFUL AREA AND IT IT HAS CONTINUED THAT VIBE. HE REALLY TRIED TO WORK HARD WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THAT SORT OF THING AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW. BRINGING IT UP. I. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE YOU WE ARE THE HISTORIC RESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD, SO OUR MISSION IS TO PROTECT AND TRY TO PRESERVE AND TRY TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY. AND UM, I'VE

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REALLY I'VE LOOKED AT THIS ALL WEEK TRYING TO, UH, FIGURE OUT I. I FOUND THE NATIONAL REGISTER CRITERIA RECOGNIZES SEVEN ASPECTS THAT WILL HELP RETAIN HISTORIC INTEGRITY. NUMBER ONE IS LOCATION. AND SO WE HERE WE HAVE A HIGH PRIORITY HOUSE AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT AND, UM, AND THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT THEY LIST AS FAR AS, UM AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY SO I THAT DOES CONCERN ME AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, BUT I AND I HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S OUR MISSION IS TO TRY TO, UH, PROTECT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO I APPRECIATE APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS AND ANY MORE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ABOUT PARKING. HOW IS THAT GONNA BE HANDLED? ON THE COMMUNITY. RESIDENTS FOR THE APARTMENT COMMUNITY STRUCTURED PARKING, IT'D HAVE TO BE STRUCTURED. SO UNDERNEATH THERE ARE NO IT'D BE ABOVE GROUND. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENTS AROUND HERE. THAT, UH HAVE CURBSIDE PARKING ON ONE OR BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND THAT THAT CAUSES A REAL PROBLEM OVER BEHIND. UM FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, FOR INSTANCE, UM IF YOU PART APARTMENT DWELLERS CARS ON KENTUCKY OR TENNESSEE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET IS GONNA BE A REAL ISSUE. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE A PARKING STRUCTURE. I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME SPOTS THERE. WILL IT BE NO PARKING ON THE STREET. NO, THERE'S ANTICIPATED TO BE SOME WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE CONDITION AS IT IS. WELL, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SURE THERE'LL BE MORE PEOPLE . HOW MANY SO IT'S 205 142 140.

HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WILL THERE BE? HAVE TO CHECK. I BELIEVE THE RATIO IS 1.6. SO EVERY EVERY SPACES FOR EVERY APARTMENT, SO ONE SPACE PER EVERY APARTMENT 1.1 POINT, SO MAYBE 400 WORKING SPACES. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE CLEARLY WOULD BE IN THE GRUDGE. THESE ARE THESE ARE ALL CONCERNS THAT THAT, UM I'M SURE THAT YOU, UH, HAVE HEARD IF YOU HAVEN'T YOU WILL HEAR, BUT BUT I ONCE AGAIN, WE NEED TO COME BACK TO WHAT OUR WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON AND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US IS THE RELOCATION. AND, UM AND I'M NOT UM I DON'T KNOW. THANK YOU FOR IT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS JUST FOR I JUST WANTED TO ASK. OH, YEAH. SORRY. WE'RE GOING. I'M GOING WAY DOWN THROUGH THE N. I APOLOGIZE FOR GOING DOWN THE AGENDA, BUT WHAT WILL TAKE THE PLACE OF THE FOUR UNITS, TWO OF WHICH ARE MOVED TO DEMOLISHED ON KENTUCKY. THE FOOTPRINT OF THE APARTMENT COMMUNITY. IS THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND ALONG WITH SOME GREEN SPACE AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY APARTMENTS. THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT'S THE DEPTH OF THAT? ONE.

ONE. I'D HAVE TO CHECK. SO THERE WAS OUR HOUSES ON TENNESSEE THAT YOU WILL BACK UP TO TURKEY ON THESE? YES SO YOU'LL HAVE FOUR STORIES OF APARTMENTS. SINGLE CENTER. THOSE FOLKS ON TENNESSEE . THOSE THREE IN A ROW RIGHT THERE. WE'VE ALREADY CONSIDERED THAT. THAT IS TRUE. THOSE ARE ALL COMMERCIAL, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY NO RESIDENTS THERE. BUT THAT IS TRUE. AND THERE'S A 13 FT. FALL TO THE WEST. SO IT'S NOT REALLY FOUR STORIES. IT'S MORE LIKE 2.5. BUT YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. WE HAVE CONSIDERED THAT. UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION JUST TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW. I. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DONE WITH THIS DISCUSSION. UM, BUT JUST TO KIND OF BRING IT, I GUESS BACK TO THE PURPOSE. I WAS WONDERING, UM IF MISS BARRETT, IF YOU WOULD HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO, UM, TO SAY ABOUT THE RELOCATION, IF NOT, IT'S OK. I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF, UM IF THERE WAS ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HEAR FROM FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS THE HOMEOWNER FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS. YOU'LL HAVE TO COME UP. SORRY. I FIRST GET UP. AND JUST IF YOU DON'T MIND IF YOU'LL SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.

WE APPRECIATE IT. MY NAME IS CAROL BARRETT. MY ADDRESS IS 8970 COUNTY ROAD, 512 AND THE TEXAS AND SO, UM, I CAME TO THE CITY WANTING TO DO I DO HORSES. AND I DO PONY PARKS AND I CAME TO THE CITY TRYING TO PUT A PARK IN THAT LAND AND I WAS. I WAS JUST GATHERED UP MY PAPERS AND

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CRIED AND WENT DOWN THE STEPS AFTER THEY THOUGHT I WAS RIDICULOUS. SO I THOUGHT, OK, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH THERE. I HAVE NOT WORKED OVER THERE FOR MAYBE 343 YEARS OR SOMETHING. AND IT'S GONE DOWN AND I AM GOING TO MOW THAT FIELD ON THE RIDING LAWN MOWER EVERY WEEK BECAUSE IT DRIVES ME CRAZY. MY HUSBAND SPENT MANY HOURS YET YESTERDAY PICKING UP TRASH ALL AROUND THAT AREA, SO SAY THAT THERE'S ANYBODY THAT LOVES THAT AREA. IT IS A AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. I SEE SOME I WANNA FIX ON THE SURREY HOUSE, BUT I WON'T WANNA WAIT TILL IT'S MOVED BEFORE WE FIX IT UP BECAUSE I THINK I AM A FANATIC ABOUT IT BEING CLEAN AND FIXED UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CAROL. ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME AT THIS TIME, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SURE WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN. OK? ANY ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR HAVE A MOTION. STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR APPROVAL OF THE RELOCATION. AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION AGAIN. SO OUR, UM RECOMMENDATION. WHATEVER WE VOTE ON, THEN GOES TO COUNCIL.

CORRECT. NO. OK NO. OK, UM, IF THEY, UM IF YOU APPROVE IT, IT GOES FORWARD. IF YOU PROVE IT WITH A 90 DAY DELAY IT THEY WAIT 90 DAYS AND IF THEY FIND SOME OTHER SOLUTION IN THAT 90 DAYS THAN THEY DO, UM, GENERALLY, THAT 90 DAYS IS WHEN SOMETHING'S GONNA BE DEMOED AND YOU HAVE WAIT 90 DAYS TO TRY TO FIND OUT A WAY TO MOVE IT OR ANYTHING INSTEAD, UM, AND THEN, UM, THE ONLY TIME IT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL IS IF WE DENIED IT, AND THEN THEY WENT UP AGAIN UP ABOVE US TO APPEAL IT. THAT WOULD BE IT. THE 90 DAY. UM I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT PROB. I THINK IT IS. I THINK A 90 DAY DELAY IS ALSO ELIGIBLE FOR APPEAL. OK SO IF WE VOTED TO 90 DAY DELAY OR DENY, UM THEN THEY COULD APPEAL AND GO TO COUNSEL. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. AND REMEMBER, THEY HAVE A FOR THE AFTER THE DEM THE DEMOLITION AND OR RELOCATION OF THESE. THEY HAVE MANY OTHER STEPS TO GO THROUGH BEFORE THEIR FINAL DESIGN AND SET UP AND SETBACKS AND ALL THAT STUFF ON ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE SEPARATE. AND ANOTHER CO, A SO HAVE TO DO THAT, TOO. RIGHT ALL OF THE PLANNING AND ALL OF THAT. WOULD THAT THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH US. NO. OK? SO THE OK OK? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION. I'LL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY. UM THE RELOCATION OF THE SURREY HOUSE. A SECOND. MOTION BY PK. IN A SECOND BY BURRIS. OK, EVERYBODY CAST YOUR VOTE, PLEASE. NO, I DON'T. I MADE THE DENIAL. I MEAN, I MADE THE MOTION AND BURROWS, JIMMY DUNN, BURS SECONDED. IT IS TO DENY THE RELOCATION OF THE SURREY HOUSE, OK? AND I, MY SCREEN IS NOT SHOWING UP. UM EIGHT. TERRY TAKEN IT IN. OH, YOU SHOULD COME BACK ONCE SHE PUTS IT UP. OK, THERE YOU GO. SO SINCE THE MOTION IS TO DENY IF WE SO IF YOU WANT IT DENIED, THEN YOU WOULD VOTE YES. IF YOU IF YOU DO NOT WANT IT DENIED YOU WOULD NOT KNOW. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT THIS IS LIKE CLARIFICATION, THE STAR TEST OR TAX TEST. TRICKY QUESTIONS. COLOR IN THE BOX AND GET THERE YOU GO. OK SO THAT, UM THAT RELOCATION HAS BEEN DENIED THAT HAS PASSED.

[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by applicant Jeremy Jones on behalf of owner Barratt Properties, LLC of a Certificate of Appropriateness for Relocation for the Building Located at 400 S Tennessee Street]

MHM. OK? OK WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER HP. 2240029 CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT ON THE

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REQUEST BY APPLICANT, JEREMY JONES ON BEHALF OF OWNER BARACK PROPERTIES, LLC. OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR RELOCATION FOR THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 400, SOUTH TENNESSEE STREET, CASSIE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS ONE IS FOR THE PROPOSED RELOCATION. IT'S THE SAME DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, UM, AT 400 SOUTH TENNESSEE STREET. SO THIS ONE WAS BELIEVED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1920 IN A MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE, AND IT WAS GIVEN A LOW PRIORITY RATING IN 2015 IN THAT HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO RELOCATE THIS ONE OFF SITE. HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF IT AS IT IS. AND PREVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT HAD COME IN FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR RELOCATION IN 2022, AND THEY ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THAT ONE HAS EXPIRED AGAIN. YOU HAVE FOUR OPTIONS APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, DENIAL OR TO ISSUE THAT 90 DAY DELAY. AND I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. WHEN WAS THIS BUILDING? UM WAS THIS. THE ONE THAT WAS MOVED HERE AT SOME POINT? YES. THIS WAS MOVED FROM OAK CLIFF. AND WHEN WAS THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT WHEN THAT WAS 87 YOU KNOW? I JUST AND. OK SO IT'S BEEN MOVED A COUPLE OF TIMES, UM , FROM OAK CLIFF TO LUCAS. AND THEN HERE, OK? SOMETIME BEFORE 2005 AND AFTER 1985 OK? YES. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASSY? THAT'S A 2005. IT WAS RELOCATED HERE. IT WAS ALREADY HERE. IT WAS ALREADY HERE. WHEN WAS IT MOVED HERE SOMETIME IN THE TWO THOUSANDS BEFORE THAT. THIS IS TO LOCATED OFF SITE, IS IT YES, WE KNOW OUR OFF SITE IS ALTERNATIVES. AS AN ANNA ONES IN TRENTON. BUT NOTHING YEAH. SO JUST TO REPEAT THAT YOU SAID ONE IN ANNA ONE IN TRENTON, BUT NOTHING DETERMINED YET BECAUSE IN THE CASE NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU.

SO THAT'S ALL. ANY ANY MORE QUESTIONS. ANY MORE DISCUSSION. HAVE A MOTION. AGAIN WHEN MRS P THIS WAS BUILT, WE THINK, CIRCA 1920. OK? IMPROVE. THE RELOCATE. OK, MR PENCE. MADE THE MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL SECOND I THIS ESKI YOU MADE THE SECOND OK, EVERYONE CAST YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. AND HE WAS PANTS. UH, IN THE ME MECHANISM, CAMEA. HE MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. APPROVE THE THEY'RE RELOCATION 49.

A MOTION PASSES. OK ITEM NUMBER HP 2024-0026 CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT ON THE REQUEST BY APPLICANT JEREMY JONES ON BEHALF OF OWNER BARACK PROPERTIES LLC OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR RELOCATION FOR THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 303 SOUTH KENTUCKY STREET, CASSIE. THANK YOU. OF THIS PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1910 IN A FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE IN THE 2015 HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. THIS WAS CONSIDERED A LOW PRIORITY IN THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO

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RELOCATE OFF SITE. UM THE FINAL SPOT FOR THIS IS TO BE DETERMINED. THESE ARE THE PHOTOS THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN THE APPLICATION. AND THEN THIS ONE WAS ALSO, UH, CAME TO STAFF FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN 2022, AND THAT HAS EXPIRED AND THEY ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY NEED ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND THE BOARD HAS THE FOUR OPTIONS TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, DENIAL OR ISSUE THAT 90 DAY DELAY. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ON STAND FOR QUESTIONS. CASSIE I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU SAID THAT, UM IT WAS CONSIDERED LOW PRIORITY. UM IN THE 2015 SURVEY. DO WE HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE MOST RECENT SURVEY THAT WAS DONE? WE DON'T HAVE THE FINALIZED RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY. UM BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PRIORITY CHANGED. OK I JUST WONDER JUST BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW THE, UM THE DATES CHANGE. SO I. I WONDERED IF THAT WAS A IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE THERE.

THIS ONE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN LOW PRIORITY ON ALL THE PAST. UM SURVEYS. MY MIND IS BLANKING ON ALL THE PAST SURVEYS, SO 85 AND 2005 AND 2015 BECAUSE IT'S OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE MADE IT UP. OK, GOT YOU. SO WOULD IT BE LOW PRIORITY FOR LIKE WE SIGNIFICANCE. LACK OF SIGNIFICANCE, UM, ALTERATIONS OR CHANGES THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST, LIKE ADDITIONS THAT WERE ADDED ON TO THE BACK OR THE SIDE OF THE FRONT OR MATERIAL CHANGES THAT KIND OF THING. YOU JUST HAVE THAT ONE PHOTO OF IT. AS FAR AS A HISTORIC PHOTO. YES, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE OF IT. ARE THE THESE. DOES SOMEONE LIVE IN THIS HOUSE? NOW? UM, ARE THEY OCCUPIED OR I BELIEVE SO, YES. MM. UM I DID. LOOK AT THE, UH, C AD FOR ALL OF THESE, UM AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY OWNED. UM AND THEN THERE WERE THE ONES THAT CAME, YOU KNOW, FROM, UM THE ONE THAT CAME FROM OAK CLIFF AND THEN THE SURREY HOUSE. UM AND I, UM I DON'T KNOW. I WONDERED, UM HOW FAR BACK IS THIS ONE THAT IT WAS OWNED? UM BY THE CURRENT OWNERS. DO WE KNOW SHE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S OK. TALK. PLEASE YOU GOT ALL THESE ARE AROUND IN THE NINETIES. WE NEED YOU TO COME UP AND SAY ON THE MICROPHONES JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU. YOU KNOW? YOU KIDDING? WE TALKED BRIEFLY THROUGH THAT THE HISTORY SHOWS MARK AND CAROL BARRETT AS PURCHASING IT BARE PROPERTIES, LLC IS STILL THEIRS. JUST TRUST SO SHE BELIEVES THAT RECOLLECTION. RECOLLECTIONS IN THE NINETIES IS WHEN SHE BOUGHT ALL THESE OK? IN THE RELOCATION.

WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE IT IS BEING RELOCATED TO THE HOUSE. WE'RE NOT SURE NO, WE HAVE A FEW ALTERNATIVES, BUT NOTHING PINNED DOWN YET. OR ANY OF THEM, POSSIBLY MCKINNEY. OR IS THAT NOT THE CASE? UM MAYBE RIGHT NOW , THE LEADING ONES ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY BOUNDARY. OK? THANK YOU, JEREMY. WE DON'T LIKE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SPEAK. NO, I'M SORRY, JOE. WE DO IT. THESE AREN'T PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WISH WE COULD OK, OK. ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? MOVE THAT WE DENIED IS THE APPLICATION. A SECOND. MR PENCE MADE THE MOTION TO DENY IT. AND I SECOND IT BRIDLE. SECOND TO THAT MOTION. OK, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OK SO ONCE AGAIN IT'S THE MOTION IS TO DENY . SO IF YOU WANT TO DENY IT, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. YES. IF NOT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DENY VOTE NO. OR WHATEVER YOU. OK? THAT MOTION PASSES. OK NEXT

ITEM ITEM NUMBER HP 2024-0027 CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT ON THE REQUEST OF JEREMY JONES ON

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BEHALF OF OWNER BRO PROPERTIES LLC OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR RELOCATION FOR THE BUILDING, LOCATED AT 305 SOUTH KENT, KENTUCKY STREET. HAS HE THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT AGAIN.

THIS IS FOR THREE OR FIVE SOUTH KENTUCKY AS A RELOCATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THIS BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 19, CIRCA 1930, A FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE AND WAS GIVEN A LOW PRIORITY RATING IN 2015. UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO RELOCATE OFF SITE WITH THE FINAL PLACE TO BE DETERMINED. THESE ARE THE PHOTOS FROM THE APPLICANT. I'M SORRY. WHAT YEAR DID YOU SAY? WHAT YEAR IS THIS? WAS THIS HAPPENING? CIRCA 1930 1930. OK, THANK YOU. AND THEN THIS IS THE ONLY HISTORIC PHOTO WE HAVE OF IT FROM 1985. PREVIOUSLY THEY COME IN IN 2022 AND RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT HAS SINCE EXPIRED. SO NOW IT'S COMING BEFORE THE BOARD. YOU HAVE THE FOUR OPTIONS OF APPROVAL, APPROVAL CONDITIONS, DENY OR ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY. THAT CONCLUDES FROM OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER.

DISCUSSION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASSIE. I WANNA MAKE A MOTION. OK MR WEST MADE THE MOTION TO DENY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? C. SECOND BY MINISTER MCWILLIAMS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IF NOT, THEN LET'S CAST OUR VOTE. OK, THAT MOTION PASSES OK, ITEM NUMBER HP 2024-00024 CONSIDER

[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by applicant Jeremy Jones on behalf of owner Barratt Properties, LLC of a Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition for the Building Located at 301 S Kentucky Street]

DISCUSS ACT ON THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT JEREMY JONES ON BEHALF OF OWNER BARACK PROPERTIES LLC OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION FOR THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 301 SOUTH KENTUCKY STREET, CASSIE. THANK YOU, UM SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF 301 SOUTH KENTUCKY STREET. THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1913 IN THE ARTS AND CRAFTS STYLE. IT WAS GIVEN A LOW PRIORITY RATING IN 2015. UH IN THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO DEMOLISH THIS HOME. SO THE APPLICANT INCLUDED TWO DOCUMENTS OF NOTE IN THEIR SUBMITTAL ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY. THE FIRST, WHICH, YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE WAS A NOTE FROM THE MOVING COMPANY.

CUNNINGHAM HOUSE MOVERS, UM WHICH STATES THAT THE PROPERTY HAD NO VALUE TO MOVE. ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKET IS THE FIELD OBSERVATION REPORT FROM DB ARCHITECTS, WHICH NOTES SOME STRUCTURAL DAMAGE, DRY ROT, DAMAGE AND TERMITE DAMAGE. AND THESE ARE THE CURRENT PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE APPLICANT. AND THE PHOTO FROM THE 1985 SURVEY. AND AGAIN. THIS WAS PART OF THE SUBMITTAL IN THE MADE IN 2022. UH THEY'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THAT HAS SINCE EXPIRED, AND THE BOARD HAS THE FOUR OPTIONS APPROVAL, APPROVAL OF CONDITIONS, DENIAL OR ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY. AT THE END OF THE 90 DAY DELAY, THE C A FOR DEMOLITION WOULD BE ISSUED AND A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, CASSY. OK? BUT THAT DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA COME IN AND COME UP AND ADD ANYTHING OR SIMPLY THAT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE GET JOHN ON RECORD JUST SIMPLY THAT THESE NEXT TWO HOMES THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ONE CONSIDERED ARE PROPOSED TO BE DEMO BECAUSE IT'S A STRUCTURAL ISSUES THEY HAVE. AS OPPOSED TO RELOCATING. SO IN ANY EVENT IN A STAND-ALONE SCENARIO.

MAY SEE THE SAME PROPOSAL OF DEMOING THIS HOUSE. I NOTICED. I CANNOT REMEMBER IF IT WAS THIS

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ONE OR THE NEXT ONE THAT FOR DEMO THAT UM YOU HAD LOOKED AT MOVING IT. BUT BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE, IS IT THE NEXT 10? IT'S THE NEXT ONE. THAT WAS ONE CONSIDERATION AS WELL. THEY DON'T EVEN THINK THEY COULD GET UNDER THE STREET LIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OK, ANY QUESTIONS? MOTION. ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? WE CONSIDER MR MCWILLIAMS, UH, MADE THE MOTION TO DENY THE DEMOLITION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND 2ND MAY MR PENCE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I FEEL CAST YOUR VOTE. OK THAT MOTION PASSES ITEM

NUMBER HP 2024-0028 DISCUSS ACT. ON THE REQUEST BY APPLICANT, JEREMY JONES ON BEHALF OF OWNER BRO PROPERTIES LLC OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION FOR THE BUILDING.

LOCATED AT 311 SOUTH KENTUCKY STREET, CASSIE. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN. THIS IS FOR 311 SOUTH KENTUCKY STREET. UH, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PROPOSED DEMOLITION. THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1900. ACCORDING TO THE 2015 SURVEY. THIS WAS GIVEN A MEDIUM PRIORITY DURING THAT SURVEY, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING DEMO. JUST AS THE PREVIOUS ONE. THIS ONE DOES INCLUDE THE TWO DOCUMENTS IN THE SUBMITTAL ONE IS THIS. CUNNINGHAM CUNNINGHAM.

HOUSE MOVERS, UM, PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THERE, UH OF NO VALUE TO MOVE AND THEN, ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS THE FIELD OBSERVATION REPORT FROM DVA ARCHITECTS THAT NOTE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE AND RACKING. AND THEN THESE ARE THE CURRENT PHOTOS OF THE HOME THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED. IN 1985 PHOTO. THIS WAS PART OF THAT BATCH THAT CAME IN IN 2022 TO STAFF, HOWEVER, THAT HAS SINCE EXPIRED, AND THEY DO NEED A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE BOARD HAS THE FOUR OPTIONS APPROVAL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS DENY OR TO ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY. AT THE END OF THE 90 DAY DELAY, THE COA FOR DEMOLITION WOULD BE ISSUED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM WOULD APPROVE THE REQUEST OF THE CIA FOR DEMOLITION. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, CASSIE. CASSIE. WELCOME. HI. WE SEE THE PRESENT PICTURE AGAIN. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S INHABITED NOW. YES. AND MEDIUM PRIORITY. YES SO THIS ONE WAS MEDIUM PRIORITY. I MEAN, THESE FOLK VICTORIANS THAT PITCH ON THE SIDE IS REALLY QUITE UNIQUE. HOW MANY OF THOSE HOUSES DO WE HAVE IN MCKINNEY? THE FOLK? VICTORIAN A LOT. UM I'D I'D HAVE TO. I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM. SO IT'S PRETTY COMING COMMON IN OUR HISTORIC AREA TO HAVE THESE FOLK VICTORIAN, SO IT'S KIND OF REPRESENTATIVE OF MCKINNEY IN A WAY THERE ARE DEFINITELY A FAIR SHARE OF FOLK VICTORIAN HOMES IN MCKINNEY, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. DO WE HAVE ANY OF THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS ONE? WE DO NOT DON'T KNOW WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL BUILDER. AND THIS WAS, UH, BUILT AND WHEN THIS ONE WAS CIRCA 1919 100 0. AND LIKE, NO, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION KIND OF ABOUT THIS PROCESS. UM, LIKE WHEN, UM AND I, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS, UM , APPLICATION, BUT, UM, WHEN SOMETHING IS PRESENTED FOR DEMOLITION DO WE RECEIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN HERE. BUT DO WE RECEIVE LIKE SPECIFICS ABOUT? UM WHAT IT IS THAT, UM YOU KNOW, MAKES IT ONE LOW PRIORITY HIGH PRIORITY MEDIUM PRIORITY AND ALSO WHAT MAKES IT, UM, NECESSARY FOR DEMOLITION. IS THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS