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THANK YOU. OKAY, TOM, ARE YOU FINISHED? YEAH, WE ARE KIND OF. OKAY OKAY. GOOD EVENING. IT IS 5:35 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF JUNE.
THE SIX, 2024. THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE SEE THE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES.
WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE ALL TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES AND BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY. WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE WILL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE NON PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS, AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE HERE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC
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COMMENTS? AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE HERE, SO WE WILL MOVE ON. WE WILL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM NUMBER 24-160 SIX MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF MAY THE 2ND, 2024. DO WE HAVE A MOTION, HOPEFULLY WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT THEM. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE? I'LL MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE THE MINUTES. OKAY. APPROVED BY MEGAN IS COMMITTEE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, SECOND SECOND. BY MARSHA. OKAY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ALL? CAST YOUR VOTE. LET'S SEE. JUST. OKAY. OKAY.
SORRY. OH, SHE'LL HAVE TO VOTE BY HAND BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THAT'S REGISTERED AS JAMES. OKAY ALL RIGHT. I APPROVE. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION. ITEM ITEM NUMBER
[Discuss Survey Results Section of Historic McKinney Survey 23 Report]
24-1607 DISCUSS SURVEY RESULTS. SECTION OF HISTORIC MCKINNEY SURVEY 23 REPORT. AND CASSIE IS GOING TO BE MAKING THAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. CASSIE. YEAH ALL RIGHT. SO GOOD EVENING AND LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND HOP INTO THE TRAINING, SO I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD KIND OF A PRIMER TO THE SURVEY, TONIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER, THE ACTUAL SURVEY RESULTS SECTION OF THE REPORT ITSELF. SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY AT THE JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL, THE SURVEY REPORT CAN BE BROKEN UP INTO THESE THREE KIND OF DISTINCT SECTIONS, TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON THAT ARCHITECTURAL SURVEY PORTION. THERE'S JUST KIND OF TOO MUCH TO DIGEST AT ONCE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING BACK A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME. AND WE WILL COME BACK WITH OTHER SECTIONS AND ADDITIONAL TRAININGS ON THE REPORT. SO HANG TIGHT. AND JUST AS A RECAP, THE SURVEY REPORT ITSELF WAS OVER THE ENTIRE H.S.A, INCLUDING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THE SURVEY RESULTS SECTION STARTS ON PAGE 20 OF THE REPORT, TONIGHT I'M GOING TO GO OVER IT IN A SLIGHTLY MODIFIED ORDER THAN WHAT IT WAS PRESENTED IN THE REPORT. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO START WITH ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND THEN MOVE BACK TO PRESERVATION PRIORITIES. SO IT'S KIND OF FLIPPED. SO THE REPORT HAD CATEGORIZED MCKINNEY ARCHITECTURE INTO THESE 12 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT YOU SEE UP HERE, I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER THE MOST PREVALENT STYLES. AND THEN WE'LL TOUCH ON OTHER AND NO STYLE. SO NATIONAL FOLK IS THAT MOST POPULAR STYLE, OF THE EARLY DECADES, FROM 1880 TO ABOUT 1930, THERE WERE ROUGHLY 116. IN THE SURVEY AREA. THEN YOU'VE GOT CRAFTSMAN FROM 1910 TO 1930, THEY DOCUMENTED 389. AND THE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL WAS POPULAR FROM ABOUT 1940 TO 60 AND WAS IDENTIFIED 546 TIMES.AND THEN RANCH STYLE WAS BY FAR, BY FAR THE MOST POPULAR DOCUMENTED 843 TIMES. AND YOU SEE THAT FROM ABOUT 50 TO 70. SO IN CRAFTSMAN, MINIMAL, TRADITIONAL AND RANCH STYLE. I
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JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY MORE OF THOSE DOCUMENTED RESOURCES IN THE HSA.BUT OUTSIDE OF THE HOD, RATHER THAN INSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ITSELF. AND THEN EARLIER I MENTIONED I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT OTHER AND NO STYLE. SO OTHER STYLE, JUST MEANS THAT IT HAS STYLISTIC INFLUENCES THAT DIDN'T ADHERE TO ONE OF THE OFFICIAL TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION BUILDING STYLES. USUALLY THAT MEANS THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT NEWER, SO THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN, BRUTALIST STYLE BUILDING, THAT WOULD COUNT AS ANOTHER STYLE, QUONSET HUTS SUCH AS THE COLLIN COUNTY FEED AND SEED THAT COUNTS, AND THEN THE OTHER ONES THAT YOU SEE OVER HERE. NO DEFINITIVE STYLE IS ANOTHER WAY OF KIND OF SAYING VERNACULAR, EITHER. IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF ORNAMENTATION, OR IT COULD BE A COLLECTION OF DIFFERENT STYLES, OR IT COULD ALSO HAVE SO MANY ALTERATIONS THAT IT'S JUST KIND OF LOST THE ORIGINAL STYLE THAT IT WAS BUILT AS, JUST AS A NOTE, THERE ARE SLIGHTLY HIGHER CONCENTRATIONS, OFTEN IN NEIGHBORHOODS EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE OF THE NO DEFINITIVE STYLE. HOWEVER YOU SEE THEM ALL OVER THE HSA. THE REPORT ALSO GIVES SOME INSIGHT INTO CURRENT USES AND SOME PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, I'M SURE IT DOESN'T COME AS A SURPRISE THAT 89% OF THE AREA SURVEYED IS ALL RESIDENTIAL OR DOMESTIC, AND THEN WHAT I FIND REALLY INTERESTING. SO OUR ORIGINAL, DESIGNATION OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SET PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. SO WHEN THEY DID THE SURVEY REPORT, WE DID ASK THEM TO GO INTO DIFFERENT PERIODS OF SIGNIFICANCE, WHAT THEY FOUND IS IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, YOU KIND OF SEE, MORE CONCENTRATED BETWEEN 1807 TO 1945. THEN IF YOU GO OUTSIDE OF THE HOD BUT STILL IN THE HSA, YOU SEE THE CONCENTRATION OF 1900 TO 1975, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE AS DEVELOPMENT AS TIME WENT ON, WE KIND OF JUST GREW OUT. AND THEN THERE IS A SMALL SECTION IN THE REPORT THAT ALSO TALKS ABOUT MATERIALS AND ALTERATIONS, THE MOST COMMON MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND WITHIN THE HSA ARE WOOD SIDING, BRICK AND THEN COMPOSITE SHINGLES, WHICH PROBABLY COMES AS NO SURPRISE. THE MOST COMMON ALTERATION WERE ACTUALLY REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THIS SECTION TALKS ABOUT PRESERVATION PRIORITIES, SO I WANTED TO BEGIN WITH THE ACTUAL DEFINITIONS FOR YOU. EACH PROPERTY WAS GIVEN FROM HIGH TO LOW, OR THE NONCONTRIBUTING, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE, JUST HIGH IS KIND OF YOUR YOUR BEST EXAMPLE, THE GREATEST ONES, DOWN TO LOW, WHICH IS IT'S A HISTORIC AGE BUT PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE SIGNIFICANCE OR INTEGRITY. SO THIS. IS THE AGGREGATE DATA FROM THE SURVEY. I JUST HAD TO SHOW THIS AGAIN. THEY WENT THROUGH 6278 PROPERTIES, WHICH IS NO SMALL TASK. AND OF THOSE PROPERTIES, AS FAR AS NONCONTRIBUTING, YOU SEE ABOUT 2920. I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT. SO THAT COULD BE EMPTY LOTS. BUT THAT'S ALSO ANY BUILDING AFTER 1975. THAT CUT OFF BEING THE 50 YEAR CUTOFF KIND OF THE. SO WE CUT IT OFF AT 1975 BECAUSE WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN, 23, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO 73 AND THEN HAVE IT NOT BE COMPLETE BY THE TIME THAT THE 50 YEARS ROLLS AROUND. SO 75 WAS A NICE EVEN NUMBER TO DO THAT WITH. SO PRIORITIES DO CHANGE OVER TIME, THEY DOCUMENTED 57 PROPERTIES THAT THEY WOULD SAY HAVE CHANGED IN PRESERVATION PRIORITY. THERE WERE 23 THAT INCREASED AND 34 THAT DECREASED. THIS IS IN RELATION TO THEIR 2015 PRESERVATION PRIORITY DESIGNATION, THAT SURVEY ALSO ONLY LOOKED AT THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT. SO IT ONLY COVERS THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, IN THE REPORT, IT STARTS ON PAGE 22, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE EXPLANATIONS AS TO WHY THEY CHANGED EACH PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT ONE, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE REPORT AND LOOK AT THEIR JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT. AND THEN I'M JUST. GOING TO GO OVER A FEW, WE'VE GOT THIS ONE THAT
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GOES UP IN PRIORITY FROM MEDIUM TO HIGH. THIS IS AT 115 117 WEST LOUISIANA, IT WENT UP IN PRIORITY BECAUSE IT WAS RESTORED, THE 85 PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT HAD THAT NON-HISTORIC BRICK WALL. AND THEY HAD COVERED THE TRANSOM WINDOWS. AND THAT RESTORATION HAPPENED IN ABOUT 2021. AND THEN THIS ONE ON BRADLEY ALSO WENT UP IN PRESERVATION PRIORITY FROM MEDIUM TO HIGH AFTER IT LOST THAT NON-HISTORIC PORCH PATIO COVER ADDITION IN THE FRONT, THERE ARE SOME OTHER SMALL CHANGES, BUT IT APPEARED TO RETAIN A HIGH AMOUNT OF INTEGRITY AND STILL HAS THOSE CRAFTSMAN DETAILS SUCH AS THE WINDOWS, THE MULTI-PANE WINDOWS, AND THE HALF TIMBERING IN THE GABLE. AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOME THAT HAVE LOWERED IN PRIORITY, JUST TO GIVE SOME EXAMPLES, THIS ONE IS ON COLEMAN STREET. IT WAS CHANGED FROM A HIGH PRIORITY TO A MEDIUM JUST BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONS THAT OCCURRED SOMETIME AFTER 2005, WHEN THEY WERE SURVEYING, THEY WEREN'T QUITE SURE WHEN IT HAPPENED. HOWEVER, THAT ADDITION, NUMBER ONE, IT IS A SECOND STORY, AND THAT'S USUALLY KIND OF FROWNED UPON AS FAR AS INTEGRITY. IT'S ALSO RIGHT IN THE FRONT, THERE'S NO MISSING THAT. THAT'S AN ADDITION . AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT THEY ANOTHER ONE THAT THEY HAD HIGHLIGHTED IN THE REPORT IS THIS ONE AT 208 EAST VIRGINIA. THEY'VE UNDERGONE MULTIPLE FACADE TRANSFORMATIONS, MEANS THAT THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY DIMINISHED THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY. ANOTHER THING THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT THE 2015 SURVEY, WHEN THEY APPLIED PRESERVATION PRIORITIES, EACH TEAM IS GOING TO APPLY PRESERVATION PRIORITIES DIFFERENTLY. SO WHEN THEY INITIALLY LOOKED AT THIS AND SAW HOW MUCH IT HAD CHANGED, THEY FELT THAT IT WAS MORE LOW PRIORITY THAN MEDIUM PRIORITY. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE DEFINITIONS. AND THEN WE DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT LATER JUST SOME UPCOMING TRAININGS ON THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE REPORT. BUT WE HAVE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE SURVEY RESULTS. SO IF I WILL STAND, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING. SO IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. THE ONE THAT WENT FROM HIGH TO MEDIUM, CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO THAT ONE THAT, HOW DO HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT AS, AS A BOARD, HOW DO WE LOOK AT THAT IN WHAT WAY? WELL, I MEAN, IF THEY CAME THERE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD SAY? YEAH, THIS IS OKAY. I MEAN, OR WOULD WOULD WE BE TEMPTED TO SAY NO? WHAT WOULD STAFF'S FIRST REACTION MAYBE TO THIS? YOU'RE ASKING IF SOMEONE CAME ASKING THAT SECOND STORY. YEAH. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS. YEAH. I MEAN, SO IF STAFF CAN'T, APPROVE IT, WE DO HAVE TO BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD, RIGHT AT THIS TIME. SO IF THIS CAME BEFORE ME AND I SAY, YOU KNOW, I TALK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, TRY AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY COULD DO, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S AGAINST THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.WE WOULD HAVE TO PREPARE THAT AND BRING IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD, AND THEN YOU WOULD MAKE THE DECISION ON IT. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. EXCUSE ME, AND THIS KIND OF ATTACKS ON TO, WHAT TOM JUST SAID, I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL OF THEM THAT DID DROP DOWN AND THEY WERE IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT. AND SO I WAS WONDERING, DID THEY NOT GO THROUGH THE CA PROCESS OR HOW HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? OR DID THEY COME TO THE BOARD OR THE COUNCIL AND THEY ALLOWED IT OR SO THAT WOULD BE? THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL ANSWER FOR EACH ONE.
I DON'T HAVE THE RESEARCH ON THAT FOR EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY. OKAY, IT COULD BE MANY DIFFERENT REASONS. THEY COULD HAVE COME BEFORE THE BOARD, IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. OKAY, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS WONDERING IF THAT OCCURS OFTEN OR OR, YOU KNOW, GET A FEELING ABOUT WHETHER ONE, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU COULD YOU SPECULATE ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE THE LEADING CAUSE OF THAT, JUST BASED ON YOUR FEELINGS? WE WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HARD TO SPECULATE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW. RIGHT I DO, I THINK KASEY'S I THINK KASEY'S RIGHT ON. IT'S USUALLY A MIXED BAG.
THERE, I'M SURE WE COULD POINT TO SEVERAL EXAMPLES WHERE THE CHANGE OCCURRED OUTSIDE OF THE COA PROCESS. THERE ARE SOME THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED PRIOR TO, US HAVING A COA PROCESS. AND I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN A, WHEN A WAY COMES BEFORE US, WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO TRIGGER A, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGE IN PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, THIS 1ST MAY HAVE BEEN MORE KNOWN BECAUSE
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OF THE ADDITION, BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR MAKE AN APPROVAL OF A COA, BECAUSE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA. BUT WHEN THE SURVEY COMES OUT AND THE AND THE FOOT TRAFFIC OR THE FOOT SURVEY OCCURS, THOSE REVIEWERS MAY VIEW THAT DIFFERENTLY, I THINK THAT'S, IT'S THE BLESSING AND THE CURSE OF HAVING THE BROAD, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AS THERE IS NO DEFINED YOU CAN DO THIS AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT.IT'S IT IS IN MANY WAYS VERY SUBJECTIVE. WELL, THE POSTCARD THAT WENT OUT TODAY SAID THAT IT CAN'T BE, MODIFIED WHEN VIEWED FROM ANY RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WOULD BE THE ALLEY OR THE STREET. RIGHT THAT IS CORRECT, DO WE LOOK AT THE ALLEY? SO WE USE THE ALLEY? YEAH. 15 OF THE DOWNGRADES WERE FOR POOR ADDITIONS OR REMODEL. COULD BE. YEAH. IT WAS. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH . THE OTHER THING TO NOTE IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A CHANGE IN WHO IS REVIEWING THINGS, YOU KNOW, 15 WAS A STAFF REVIEW, I MEAN, A STAFF SURVEY, CORRECT? YEAH. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE 15 IF THAT WAS REVIEWED BY ONE PERSON AND 2023 IS REVIEW BY ANOTHER TEAM, THEY COULD LOOK AT THE EXACT SAME THING AND HAVE A, HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT IF IT'S MEDIUM OR HIGH, CAN I ASK OKAY, LET'S SAY FOR IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH WITHOUT A COA, ISN'T THERE SOMEONE IN PERMITTING THAT THAT RED FLAGS FOR THAT? YES YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE CAUGHT IN THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT, OR IT COULD BE CAUGHT BY CODE SERVICES. YES. YOU'RE RIGHT ON. AND I THINK I'M PICKING UP WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE LAYING DOWN IN TERMS OF WHERE'S THE CHECKS AND BALANCES TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM DOING THESE WITHOUT THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION. AND, WE A BIG RENOVATION LIKE THIS OBVIOUSLY TAKES TIME. WE DO HAVE SOME WEEKEND WARRIORS THAT SOMETIMES GET OUT THERE AND WE'LL DO A QUICK CHANGE. AND IT JUST UNFORTUNATELY WE EVEN WITH PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT, WE CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY GOT A BUILDING PERMIT. EXACTLY. YEAH. IN SOME CASES THAT'S THE THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS, I WILL ALSO USE THIS AS A, AS A PLUG FOR SOME OF THE WORK THAT PAULA AND CASSIE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR, AND THAT IS TO ACTUALLY GET OUR COA PROCESS INTO OUR ONLINE LAND. MAN, LAND MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE UP UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR AGO, IT WAS WE DIDN'T DO IT IN THE LAND MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, WHICH CREATED A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE COA AND LIKE OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS TEAM. SO THEY WERE IT WASN'T AS SEAMLESS TO KNOW WHEN A COA REQUIRED WAS REQUIRED OR OBTAINED OR NOT. SO I THINK EVEN THAT CHANGE, TO GET EVERYTHING UNDER THAT ONE SYSTEM HAS HELPED TREMENDOUSLY TO HELP CATCH PEOPLE FROM DOING WORK WITHOUT THE PROPER COA. BUT PRIOR TO LAST YEAR, IT WAS A VERY MANUAL PROCESS WHICH, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, CREATED A LOT OF GAPS. SURE. SO JENNIFER, IS THIS TYPE OF DESIGNATION IN IN THAT SYSTEM, THE PRIORITY RATING IS NOT THE ONLY THING THAT THE SYSTEM WILL SHOW IS THAT IT'S INSIDE THE HISTORIC AND REQUIRES THAT COA COA. YEAH. IS THERE A BENEFIT TO GETTING THAT IN THE SYSTEM, I THINK IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION, BUT IT'S JUST WHO'S GOING TO DO IT AND HOW MUCH TIME WILL IT TAKE, SO GETTING THIS INFORMATION INTO OUR FOR PLANNING, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BENEFIT THERE IS FOR IT'S OUR WE CALL IT INTERGOV. OUR LAND MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE SYSTEM IS INTERGOV, IT'S INFORMATIONAL, FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. BUT THE FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY RELY ON THIS TO MAKE DECISIONS WOULD BE CASSIE AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM, AS THEY REVIEW THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, IF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ISN'T REQUIRED, OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM MAKING A CHANGE THAT MAYBE DOESN'T FIT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT THEY WOULD WANT. SO, SO IS THEIR HOUSE. ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD ASKED BETTY ABOUT WAS IF THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT OUR BOARD AS A WHOLE, OR ONE PERSON OR WHATEVER, HAVE A LISTING OF ALL THE HOUSES THAT WERE IN THE SURVEY, LAST MONTH, WE WERE LOOKING AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING IN ON KENTUCKY AND TENNESSEE, IF WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE, ACCESS TO THE SURROUNDING HOMES RIGHT WHERE WE COULD LOOK WHO'S IT AFFECTING? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN US MAKING GOOD DECISIONS. ABSOLUTELY AND THAT IS ONE OF THE, NEXT STEPS OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY IS
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TWOFOLD. ONE IS GETTING THAT ONLINE MAP, WE I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE AN ONLINE MAP THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE 2015 SURVEY CARDS, BUT GETTING THAT UPDATED WITH THE MOST CURRENT THAT IS ONLINE THAT YOU ALL WOULD ANYBODY WHO HAS ACCESS TO INTERNET WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ON ZOOM INTO AN AREA MUCH LIKE MY IPAD SHOWS HERE, CLICK ON IT AND THAT CARD WOULD COME UP. SO, AS CASSIE SAID, THERE'S OVER 6000 PROPERTIES. I BELIEVE EACH ONE HAS TWO PHOTOS. YEAH, SO WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT TO GET THAT INFORMATION TRANSFERRED OVER INTO OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN GET IT, SO EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE IT. WE WILL HAVE IT. YEP. THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR. YES, YES. YEP. IT'S JUST THE POWER TO ACTUALLY, LIKE, THE MANPOWER IT TAKES TO GET IT DOWNLOADED FROM ONE SYSTEM TO THE OTHER. AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT TO ACTUALLY CREATE THE WEB MAP FOR IT, BECAUSE THAT WELL BEYOND WHAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF DOING I UNDERSTAND. SO JENNIFER OR CASSIE. SO LIKE AND JIMMY DON REFERRED TO THE APARTMENT AREA WHERE THEY WANT TO MOVE THINGS. I WANT TO SAY THAT THERE WAS A HOUSE BUILT ON HUNT STREET. THAT'S MONSTROUS. THAT THAT, THE NEIGHBORS DID GET TO HAVE A CHANCE TO PROVIDE INPUT. DID THE NEIGHBORS GET A CHANCE? ARE THEY WERE THEY AWARE OF THAT? DID THEY GIVE A CHANCE, OR IS THERE A MECHANISM OR PROCESS IN PLACE BY WHICH IF SOMEBODY IS MAKING A REQUEST FOR COA THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST VOICE THEIR CONCERNS OR THEIR OPINIONS OR THEIR APPROVAL. SO CURRENTLY COA'S ARE DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY DON'T REQUIRE ANY SORT OF PUBLIC HEARING OR PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF THE, THE BOARD UNLESS WE AREN'T ABLE TO APPROVE IT. OR OF COURSE, THOSE CODES FOR DEMOLITIONS COME TO HPA B, BUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW KNOW. NOW THEY WOULD IF THEY KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING AND THEY WANTED TO CALL AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S WE'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR THAT. BUT THERE IS NO REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING OR PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD ASSOCIATED WITH COA'S. WE'VE KIND OF COME TO A PERIOD IN MCKINNEY WHERE ALMOST EVERY HOUSE THAT SELLS GETS MAXIMIZED TO THE LIMITS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IN THE PAST IT WAS AN ISSUE, BUT LIKE THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT ON HUNT STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE A TUGBOAT PULL IN A BUT THAT THAT ONE WENT IN FRONT OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, I THINK. I BELIEVE THAT THEY THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT ON THE SETBACK. YES.AND I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORS, I BELIEVE THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME ONE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WITH THE TWO STORY BRADLEY AND HUNT. YEAH, I KNOW, OH, THAT THAT GREEN IT GOES UP THE GREEN ONE UP ON A HILL. I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WERE AWARE OF BECAUSE OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, BUT THAT'S ONE THING THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONCERN TO ME IS THAT IF SOMETHING A LOT OF THINGS GO IN FRONT OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE OF THE ODD SHAPE. RIGHT, PROPERTIES AND I WAS ALSO ON BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, AND I ALWAYS ASK, THIS IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT IS GUY OKAYING IT. AND THERE THERE WAS A THERE SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN YOU KNOW, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HISTORIC DISTRICT TO ME, I FELT LIKE THAT WE TRY TO OUGHT TO COORDINATE ALL THAT TOGETHER BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T IN MY MIND, IT SHOULD HAVE GONE IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR GUY AND HIM APPROVE IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS NOW. YEAH, BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ON, THE NORTH SIDE OF HUNT BETWEEN BRADLEY AND WADDLE, DOWN IN THE BOTTOM. OH, YEAH, THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE EXTENDING THE BACK ON THAT THIRD ACRE LOT. MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN THE WHOLE HOUSE. YEAH, THAT'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. WE HAD ONE ON, CHURCH STREET DOWN CLOSER TO MAYBE ERWIN, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THAT YOU TURN ON THE LITTLE SIDE STREET. IT'S LIKE, GOLLY, THE PINK HOUSE. YEAH THE PINK HOUSE. YES. I THINK, SOMETHING THAT MISS BETTY THAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DISCONNECT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BETWEEN SPECIFICALLY LIKE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND, LIKE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND IN THE TEARING DOWN OF POTENTIALLY HISTORIC PROPERTIES, IN THE NAME OF REHABILITATION ACTION, AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN PROGRESS ON THAT. I THINK IT'S
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A, A PROCESS. AND I THINK WE KIND OF SEE, YOU KNOW, THE TEAM NOW, CASSIE AND TORY, I JUST THINK THAT I SEE GOOD THINGS COMING, I BELIEVE YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, REALLY HEAR WHAT WE'RE SAYING, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. JUST FROM FROM ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. YEAH I'D ARGUE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO. I THINK YOU'RE I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, THOUGH, BECAUSE TO ME, THIS SURVEY IS A HUGE IT'S A HUGE STEP. YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A GOOD TOOL TO HAVE. AND, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL SUPPORTING US. DOCTOR FELTUS MAYOR PRO TEM FELTUS AND, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THAT, FOR THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO DO THAT WAS, WAS HUGE AND, SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT WE USE IT. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW TO DO THAT. AND HOW TO BENEFIT FROM WHAT WE KNOW NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF NEXT THERE CATEGORIES OF NEXT STEPS. SO THE EASY NEXT STEP OF COURSE IS TAKING THE SURVEY AND GETTING IT ONLINE SO THAT IT'S AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY, I THINK USING THAT SURVEY THEN TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN EXPANSION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR THE CREATION OF THOSE CULTURAL DISTRICTS, THAT IS, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR CASSIE AND MYSELF AND WHOEVER COMES IN TO REPLACE PAULA, TO DIG INTO SO THAT WE CAN I MEAN, I THINK OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, THOSE WILL BE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING BACK WITH HAB AND WITH THE COUNCIL ON. HERE ARE SOME DETAILS FOR SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR UTILIZING THE SURVEY, FOR THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS, WHETHER OR NOT CLG STATUS COMES ONLINE AND WE HAVE RESOURCES TO CONSIDER THE IDEA OF ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS OR DESIGN GUIDELINES. THOSE ARE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE IN THE BACKGROUND ARE STILL CHURNING ON. IT'S JUST THEY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER BECAUSE IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE LEGWORK ON OUR END TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE NEED TO PRESENT TO YOU SO THAT YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION IN A FORMAT THAT YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION FROM. SO THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP FOR US AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED. IT'S THE FIRST DOMINO TO FALL, AND A SERIES OF DOMINOES THAT WILL COME BACK TO HAB AND COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE SURVEY.I NOMINATE MARSHA FOR THE VACANCY. AND SO GOT IT ON TUESDAY, SO THE APPLICATION OR THE GOVERNOR WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO OR NOT? THE GOVERNOR THAT HE LOVED THAT.
SORRY, MAYOR FULLER. NOT YET. BUDDY YES. TO MAKE THAT APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. IS THAT JUST AN INITIAL, SALVO, OR IS EVERYTHING NEEDED AS A PACKET AND A PACKAGE GOING TO THE THC? GREAT QUESTION. SO I THINK PAULA HAD BEEN WORKING WITH YOU ALL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS TO GETTING RESUMES AND KIND OF KEEPING YOU IN THE LOOP ON THAT APPLICATION PROCESS, SO WE ARE STILL PACKAGING EVERYTHING UP FOR THE APPLICATION FOR CLG STATUS, IT DOES REQUIRE THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE, WHICH IS WHY YOU SAW THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING HIM TO SIGN IT, ONCE WE HAVE EVERYTHING PACKAGED, WE WILL BE SUBMITTING IT TO THC. I THINK CASSIE AND I HAVE ESTIMATED PROBABLY JULY ISH IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING. FAST TURNAROUND. YEAH. SO, ONCE WE SUBMIT, THE THC WILL REVIEW THE APPLICATION, AND THEY WILL PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO US ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SUFFICIENT OR IF THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. BUT YEAH. SO IT'S GREAT WORK BY YOUR, YOUR GROUP AND GETTING THAT ALL PUT TOGETHER AND MOVING THAT FORWARD. I GIVE ALL CREDIT TO PAULA AND CASSIE, SO I'M JUST SWOOPING IN TO RIDE THE COATTAILS. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT WE HAD SUBMITTED THAT BEFORE. DID YOU KNOW THAT WE DID. YEAH. AND IT GOT TURNED DOWN. AND I FORGET ALL THE REASONS IT GOT TURNED DOWN. BUT THEN WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS AND THEN REAPPLY. BUT WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND. YEAH YEAH. AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE PRETTY NORMAL TO GET, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO MAKE THESE, YOU KNOW, CORRECTIONS. WE JUST HAVE TO BE DILIGENT IN FOLLOWING UP ON THEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO HELP. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, FIX WHAT'S WRONG.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN WE CAN DO THAT THIS TIME. PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SAVED A LOT OF WORK. YEAH, I'M SURE IT JUST COME FORWARD, MY QUESTION WAS, SO HOW MANY HOUSES DID DECREASE AGAIN? JUST
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LET'S SEE 34 DECREASE 34. AND AS WE LOOK THROUGH THIS DATA IN THE SURVEYS AND DECIDE YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH DIFFERENT PIECES OF DATA. AND I KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS GIVEN TONIGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THESE TEN HOUSES WERE REVIEWED BY THIS PERSON OR WHATEVER. IT WOULD BE NICE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANALYSIS ON THAT. NOT SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO AS A BOARD, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S JUST INTERESTING TO LOOK FOR PATTERNS AND TRENDS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT FOR BLAME PURPOSES, BUT JUST TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SPOT WHERE I THINK WE'RE DROPPING THE BALL. CAN WE CORRECT THIS ONE LITTLE THING? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST A SIMPLE THING, LIKE HOW YOU'RE LABELING SOMETHING AND ONE OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IS LOOKING AT IT LIKE IF IT IS IN A HISTORIC IF IT IS DEEMED HISTORIC, THAT SHOULD BE LABELED VERY PLAINLY, NOT NECESSARILY NEEDS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, FANCY, PROGRAMING, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING. JUST JUST A LABEL TO SAY, HEY, STOP FOR A SECOND. YOU GOT TO. WE GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR THIS. SO I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED JUST TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE ANALYSIS ON THAT. SO AGAIN, NOT SAYING THAT Y'ALL HAVE TO DO IT, BUT IF WE COULD KIND OF TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A BAD THING. I WILL SAY IN THE SURVEY IT DOES HAVE THAT LIKE THE TABLES THAT SHOW ALL OF THESE WENT FROM HIGH TO MEDIUM, OR ALL OF THESE WENT FROM MEDIUM TO LOW AND THE EXPLANATION IT IT PRETTY MUCH SAYS WHY THEY THOUGHT THAT. SO WE HAD THEM GIVE THAT SORT OF EXPLANATION, SO IT SHOULD BE IN THERE IN THE REPORT. BUT IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC ONES THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST THINGS LIKE WHEN, WHEN YOU KNOW. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD GO DEEPER THAN JUST THE SURFACE. ARE YOU LOOKING TO MAYBE UNCOVER WHEN DID THE CHANGE OCCUR? WAS IT WITH THE KOA WITHOUT WAS IT A EXACTLY, EXACTLY LIKE IF THERE WAS LIKE FOR THIS, WHEN DID THIS CHANGE OCCUR? WHO APPROVED IT? AND AGAIN, NOT TO POINT FINGERS BUT TO SAY, OH WELL, THAT PERSON'S NOT HERE ANYMORE. YEAH. BUT ANOTHER PERSON COULD COME IN AND DO THE SAME THING. SO LET'S JUST TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PROCESS AND WHAT OCCURRED SO THAT THAT PERSON IN THAT ROLE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS OKAY TO DO. THE CDD, FOR EXAMPLE, WILL TRACK WHEN ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ADDED TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S PERMITTED, BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION, THAT THAT IS THERE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS DEPENDING ON HOW RECENT IT IS. THE OTHER THING TOO IS, IS I KNOW IN CITIES SUCH AS HOUSTON, WHERE THEY HAVE HISTORIC AREAS, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A FOOTPRINT LIMIT, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T SEE I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO IN MCKINNEY LIKE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE. YOU CANNOT COVER THIS MUCH OF THIS PROPERTY. AND THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THIS IN A HISTORIC AREA. THIS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH, YOU KNOW, THESE HOUSES GETTING MOVED WAY UP TO THE SIDEWALK? YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO AS WELL ARE THINGS THAT GO INTO LIKE DESIGN GUIDELINES COULD BE, WHERE WE MCKINNEY DOESN'T HAVE ANY CURRENTLY, SO IT IS JUST THE BROAD DOES IT MEET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS? WHAT'S THE PRESERVATION PRIORITY? THOSE ARE THE GUIDELINES THAT WE ARE GIVEN TO REVIEW IT, BUT IF WE WANTED SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, A FOOTPRINT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T EXCEED THIS MANY, THIS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE CODE CHANGES AS WELL AS SOMETHING LIKE A DESIGN GUIDELINE FOR. WELL, IT JUST IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD JUST EXPLORE, MAYBE NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE CODES. YEAH.WELL AND GOOD NEWS IS WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE THOSE LIMITS IN OUR CURRENT CODES, BUT IT MAY NOT IT MAY NOT PROTECT AGAINST SOME OF THE HISTORIC REVIEW THAT THAT MAY BE COVERED UNDER THE DESIGN GUIDELINE OR EVEN THE CO PROCESS. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. BUT YOU KNOW OUR OUR CODES KIND OF LIMIT DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR ZONING IS, HOW MUCH OF THE PROPERTY CAN BE COVERED WITH PERMEABLE. EXACTLY HARD SURFACING. RIGHT. BUT THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T HIT ON SCALE AND PROPORTION IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. OKAY. I THINK I MUST HAVE GIVEN GUY A LOT MORE CREDIT THAN HE DESERVED ALL THESE TIMES, BECAUSE IF HE SAID NO, THEN I JUST ASSUMED THAT WAS THE LAW. I DON'T LIKE THAT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION . CASSIE. THANKS, CASSIE. THANK YOU CASSIE I'M EXCITED TO SEE MORE TO DIG MORE INTO IT. I DO HAVE JUST KIND OF GENERAL QUESTION I DON'T DO YOU HAVE DO WE HAVE A LOT OF CODES COMING UP
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FOR ACTIVITY? HOD YES. THERE ARE 20. SO. SO YOU MEAN I CAN'T GO ON VACATION? NOTICED? THERE ARE PLENTY COMING IN. WE REVIEW FENCES, ADDITIONS, WINDOWS, DOORS, ANY OF THAT KIND OF THING. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF STUFF HAPPENING. OKAY OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? OUR JULY MEETING IS NOT HAPPENING. CORRECT THE COLEMAN ADDITION ON THE SECOND FLOOR WAS OH EIGHT OR C A D OR INTERRUPT. OKAY. WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU. I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. TIM. WHAT DID YOU SAY THE 1015 COLEMAN ALTERATION. THAT ONE WAS OH EIGHT FOR THE CAD. EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF. DAD IF YOU CAN GET THERE, PRESTON, BECAUSE THAT PICTURE IS ON THE LEFT. ISN'T 2015. IS IT SO WHAT'S SUGGESTED THAT IT'S 15? THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, I THINK IS FROM THE 80, 85, 85 SURVEY.LEFT AS 85. YEAH. YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH THE TREES GROW. DIAMOND. YEAH. YEAH YOU CAN.
THAT'S A LOT OF RINGS. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. LET'S SEE. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? AND SINCE WE ONLY HAVE 30 MINUTES, SHE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT, OKAY. ANY BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF HAVE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS? OR DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? HAPPY D-DAY! I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE. OH YES YES, YES. OKAY. YES I'D LOVE FOR YOU. I DIDN'T WANT TO CHIME IN.
NO NO NO NO, I DID HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS, ONE, SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL ARE ALREADY IN THE LOOP ON THE FACT THAT WE DID HAVE THE RESOLUTION AT CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR'S SIGNATURE FOR THE CLG APPLICATION. SO, WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE WE KEEP YOU IN THE LOOP, ON WHEN THAT APPLICATION IS FINALIZED AND WE'RE SENDING IT OFF. SO MORE TO COME ON THAT. AND THEN I ALSO DID WANT TO CIRCLE BACK ON THE COA REQUESTS THAT WERE AT AT YOUR LAST MEETING FOR THE SURREY HOUSE PROPERTY. RECALL THAT THERE WERE SIX REQUESTS, FIVE OF WHICH WERE DENIED BY HP AB. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AN APPEAL FOR THOSE, SO THEY WILL BE GOING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE JUNE 18TH MEETING. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL KNEW, FROM, FROM THE CASES THAT WERE BEFORE YOU, THAT THAT ONE IS GOING TO PROGRESS OVER TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT IS IT. THAT WAS ALL I HAD. DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE? I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A SEARCH FOR REPLACEMENT OF PAULA. ARE WE CAN YOU UPDATE US ON THAT? WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. WE ARE SO WE DID, THE POSITION HAS BEEN OPEN FOR ABOUT A MONTH. WE DID HAVE A HANDFUL OF CANDIDATES, NOT ENOUGH TO PURSUE INTERVIEWS AT THIS POINT. SO WE ARE KEEPING IT OPEN, AND WE'LL TRY AND DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RECRUITMENT, TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES TO EVALUATE. BUT IT IS STILL ACTIVE, AND, AND WE ARE WORKING VERY QUICKLY TO TRY AND, GET A REPLACEMENT IN. COULD YOU TELL ME, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT JOB? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE ALWAYS. MISS BETTY'S TRYING TO APPLY. YEAH. NO, NO, NO, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO APPLY, BUT HOW DID THAT WHEN DID THAT GO? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN GOD CAME, THAT WAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. AND THEN I THOUGHT THAT WHEN PAULA CAME WAS THAT WAS SHE HIRED UNDER THAT ROLE AND THEN HER JOB AND. RIGHT. SO THAT'S RIGHT. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL REMEMBER MARK DOTY, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
YES, HE OVERSAW OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACTIVITIES IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND GUY, WHICH WHO WAS OUR DESIGNATED HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, HPO, WHEN GUY RETIRED, MARK, MARK HIRED PAULA TO BE OUR NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER PAULA JOINED THE TEAM, MARK UP AND LEFT US FOR CALIFORNIA. HE MOVED FOR FAMILY REASONS. HE'LL BE BACK. YEAH THEY ALL COME BACK. WELCOME BACK, AND WE LOST MARK. AND SO WHEN WE LOST MARK, WE I ACTUALLY ENDED UP RECLASSIFYING THAT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR ROLE INTO THE DOWNTOWN MANAGER OR DOWNTOWN AND PRESERVATION MANAGER ROLE. AND PAULA ENDED UP PROMOTING INTO THAT. SO THEN CASSIE WAS HIRED, RIGHT. YEP. SO PER THE THC AND I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS A CLG REQUIREMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DESIGNATED HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, WE HAVE SINCE KIND OF ENCAPSULATED THAT ROLE UNDER THE MANAGER TITLE, ALTHOUGH THE REALITY IS CASSIE DOES THE REAL
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WORK WITH THE REVIEWS AS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, BUT THERE'S THE TWO TOGETHER. SO THAT MANAGER AND CASSIE'S POSITION AS OUR PRESERVATION PLANNER, THEY MAKE THE WORLD OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR OUR DEPARTMENT. AND THEN TORI, OF COURSE, IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER. AND HER PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, BOTH EAST AND WEST SIDES OF HIGHWAY FIVE, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DYNAMIC OF HOW THAT WORKS AND HOW WE'VE KIND OF GONE FROM MARK TO PAULA TO CASSIE TO. NO, PAULA, AND TO THAT VACANT MANAGER ROLE THAT WE HAVE NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. JENNIFER. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW SPEAKING OF TORI, CASSIE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, BUT, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE WILL BE AT JUNETEENTH, WITH A TABLE AND A STORY WALK. RIGHT.I'M NOT SURE WHO'S DOING THE STORY WALK, BUT THAT IS THAT IS NOT US. TORI WILL BE THERE FOR A WHILE, BUT THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE A TABLE THIS YEAR. OKAY? GOTCHA. OKAY, WELL, SHE TOLD US SOMETHING ABOUT, THE STORY WALK, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A QUILT MAKING ACTIVITY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY COOL. YEAH. SO HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IS LEADING THAT. AND WE'RE KIND OF TAGGING IN ON THAT AS WELL. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, TORI WILL BE THERE AND TRYING TO PROMOTE HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND HER HER ROLE. MEGAN CAN YOU GIVE US THE TIME AND THE PLACE AND OKAY, DON'T KNOW. I JUST REALLY PUT YOU ON THE SPOT THERE. YEAH, I'M GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN, SADLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE'LL READ MORE ABOUT THAT THEN. OKAY. OKAY I'LL KEEP STAYING. OR DOES ANYBODY WANT TO STAY HERE? WE HAVE TO ADJOURN. OKAY MR. MCWILLIAMS, DO I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH. SORRY SECOND. OKAY, TAUGHT BY MR. PANTS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CAST YOUR VOTE. OKAY. WE ARE. GO . OKAY, WE ARE ADJOURNED THEN. AND IT IS 617. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH, CASSIE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE
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