[NOTICE OF POTENTIAL QUORUM of the City Council and / or various Boards & Commissions of the City of McKinney, Texas]
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GOOD. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. BUT THE CROWD IS SHRINKING. WHAT? I MEAN, THERE'S. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE MISSING TONIGHT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE 21 ON THE COMMITTEE, SO. ALL RIGHT.
SO. NOT SO BAD AS I DID TWO WEEKS AGO. I JUST WANT TO WELCOME EVERYONE AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR, FOR TAKING THE TIME. THIS IS A THIS IS A AN INVESTMENT OF YOUR TIME. AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND APPRECIATE IT. AND YOU COULD BE DOING MANY OTHER THINGS. I COULD BE AT THE MAVERICKS GAME RIGHT NOW. INSTEAD, MY WIFE IS THERE WITH MY TICKET, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. THIS IS, IT'S IMPORTANT, IT'S IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY CITIZENS AND CITIZENS THAT WE, AS A COUNCIL, REALLY TRUST AND KNOW, YOUR ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, THE FACT THAT YOU REALLY CARE AND NOT SO MUCH BRIAN LOCKMILLER, BUT MOST OF YOU, YOU KNOW, CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU, BEING WILLING TO SERVE ON THIS AND, AND, AND BEING HERE TONIGHT AND THE REST OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE, HOW MANY MEETINGS ARE LEFT, PAUL, TWO HOURS, TWO AFTER TONIGHT. TWO MORE FOR SURE, MAYBE THREE. SO THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR, MY NAME IS PAUL GRIMES. MOST OF YOU I KNOW, LAST TIME, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO INTRODUCE YOURSELVES. SO YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT SOME HEAVY STUFF, AND YOU'D EVEN KNOW WHO EACH OTHER WAS IN EVERY CASE. SO I THOUGHT WE'D TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GO AROUND THE ROOM AND EVERYBODY HAVE A VERY QUICK INTRODUCTION OF THEMSELVES AND, MAYBE ANYTHING ABOUT YOURSELF THAT MAYBE THE OTHERS WOULDN'T KNOW. SO WE'LL START HERE WITH KATIE. MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR MICROPHONE AND MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR MIC ON. OKAY. HI, I'M KATIE SCOTT. I OWN TWO BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY, THE GROOVY COOP AND RED ZEPPELIN RECORDS. I HAVE FOUR TEENAGERS. TWO ARE GETTING THEIR WISDOM TEETH OUT TOMORROW. SO SAY A PRAYER FOR ME. AND, TWO OF THEM GO TO MCKINNEY HIGH, AND I'M ON THE VISIT. MCKINNEY BOARD. THE MCKINNEY INCLUSION COUNCIL, I JUST LOVE BEING HERE. GREAT TOWN . I AM MEGAN ESCAMILLA. I AM A LIFELONG, RESIDENT OF MCKINNEY, SPECIFICALLY EAST MCKINNEY. AND I HAVE BEEN REALLY INVOLVED IN A LOT OF NONPROFIT WORK SINCE I MOVED BACK FROM OSU, AND, AND I'M ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD WITH MISS BETTY MCKISSICK OVER THERE. AND, CURRENTLY WORKING AS A SOCIAL WORKER FOR A NONPROFIT COUNSELING FIRM HERE IN MCKINNEY. OKAY. I'M KIM BLACK, I'M JUST A DOWNTOWN RESIDENT, 35 YEAR RESIDENT, ALL DOWNTOWN, SUPER INVOLVED WITH THE CITY, I WAS 37 YEARS IN CORPORATE AMERICA. I WORKED FOR THE COUNTY NOW, AND I'M ON THE MAIN STREET BOARD, AND ABOUT TO BE ON THE NEW GRANTS OR NOT THE NEW, BUT I'LL BE NEW GOING ON TO THE GRANTS ADVISORY BOARD AS WELL. SO I'M. I LOVE MY CITY. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT. SO ON, I'M CAROLYN KEEVER, AND I'VE BEEN IN MCKINNEY SINCE 1982.
I'VE SERVED ON A FAIR NUMBER OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, INCLUDING A SCHOOL BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL, I HAVE A NINE GRANDCHILDREN NOW. MY CHILDREN HAVE BEEN VERY PROLIFIC, AND MY DAD HAD HIP SURGERY THIS MORNING, AND I WOKE UP AT 3 A.M. SO IF I DON'T MAKE SENSE, PLEASE . THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'M CHARLES MCKISSICK, I'M A LIFETIME MEMBER OF MCKINNEY TODAY, I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, GREW UP IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. POLITICS AND, BEEN A INVOLVED. I'M IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, WHICH BROUGHT ME IN INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CITY AND I SERVED ON THE COUNCIL ON P AND Z YEARS AND YEARS AGO. AND, JUST GLAD TO HELP ANY WAY I CAN, AND HELLO, I'M KEN SIPIORA. WE MOVED TO MCKINNEY IN FEBRUARY OF 1998, 26 YEARS AGO. SO WE ARE STILL NEWCOMERS, CAN'T COMPETE WITH THAT. CHARLES WHEN I RETIRED, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET INVOLVED IN THE CITY, AND I WAS FORTUNATE TO SERVE ON TWO BOARDS. THE MCKINNEY NATIONAL AIRPORT BOARD AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, THE MCKINNEY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD. TOTAL OF NINE YEARS, AND WHEN THAT CAME TO MY TERM LIMIT ENDS, I WAS ABLE TO JOIN THE BOARD OF HUGS CAFE, WHERE I CURRENTLY SERVE AS TREASURER. AND MY WIFE, LYNN, RETIRED EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SAMARITAN INN, AND I'M DELIGHTED TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU.
I'M TAMMY WARREN, AND MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED HERE RIGHT AFTER YOU IN 1999. RAISED ALL OUR KIDS HERE, I WORK AT EMERSON FULL TIME, YOU WERE AT OUR GROUNDBREAKING TEN YEARS AGO. I REMEMBER THAT, AND, I'M PRIVILEGED TO SERVE ON THE MCKINNEY ARMED FORCES MEMORIAL
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BOARD, AND I WAS ON THE BOND COMMITTEE LAST YEAR, AND I ALSO AM PRESIDENT OF A LITTLE GROUP CALLED MCKINNEY VALUES PACK. SO THAT'S WHAT I DO. YES. MY NAME IS MAURICE MALVERN, LIFETIME MEMBER MCKINNEY. LIKE YOU, SIR. BORN AND RAISED HERE. WENT TO SCHOOL HERE, GRADUATED, CAME BACK. BEEN INVOLVED IN CITY POLITICS, I GUESS 20, 30 YEARS NOW. I RAN WITH BRIAN. WAS USED UP HERE. RAN FROM CITY COUNCIL, UP IN UP, INVOLVED ON, MAINLY WITH THE, EAST SIDE OF MCKINNEY, AS FAR AS, UPKEEP AND GROWTH OF IT. SO YES, I'M MY PARENTS ARE MALVERN ELEMENTARY. I GET THAT ALL THE TIME. YEAH I'M MARY ANN RADLEY. I'VE BEEN IN MCKINNEY FOR SEVEN YEARS, SO I GUESS I'M A NEWBIE. IT'S THE LONGEST I'VE EVER LIVED ANYWHERE, THOUGH, SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING, REGGIE FROM SOUTH BRONX BOOGIE TV. SO, MY PARENTS ARE IMMIGRANTS FROM IRELAND. WE MOVED TO. THEY MOVED TO NEW YORK AND THAT'S WHERE I GREW UP IN NEW YORK CITY. AND THEN I'VE MOVED AROUND A LOT WITH MY JOB, AND I WAS I WAS AN EXECUTIVE WITH ANHEUSER-BUSCH ABOUT 15 YEARS. I RAN THE BUDWEISER BRAND AND DID PRODUCT INNOVATION FOR THEM, THEN GOT MOVED TO CALIFORNIA. I WAS HEAD OF GLOBAL MARKETING FOR MONSTER BEVERAGE, GOT MOVED HERE, AND I WAS CHIEF BRAND OFFICER WITH YUM, AND THEN LEFT AND BECAME THE CEO FOR BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OF COLLIN COUNTY, AND DID THAT FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS. AND NOW I'M THE CHIEF MARKETING OFFICER AT SMOOTHIE KING. SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. I'VE SAT ON A COUPLE BOND COMMITTEES AND YEAH, GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. MY NAME IS BILL COX, CHECK THE BOX OF LIFELONG MCKINNEY RESIDENT. BUT I CAN TRUMP YOU BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS AN ELEMENTARY TEACHER OF MINE. OH, WOW. HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN MCKINNEY VOLUNTEERING FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. SERVED ON CITY COUNCIL, SERVED ON THE CHAMBER ROTARY COLLEGE FOUNDATION AND JUST EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO DO TO REALLY BE INVOLVED IN IN A CITY LIKE MCKINNEY. I'M HONORED TO BE HERE, CURRENTLY THE CHAIRMAN OF PLANNING AND ZONING, WHICH IS A VERY INVOLVED PROCESS. AND IF YOU DON'T LOVE THE CITY, DON'T APPLY FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.BUT IT IS A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL CITY. AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HELP, HELP FURTHER WHERE WE GO. THANK YOU. BRIAN LOCKMILLER. AND IN SPITE OF WHAT MAYOR FULLER SAYS, I DO LOVE THE CITY. SO I'M JUST KIDDING, I'VE LIVED HERE WITH MY WIFE, DONNA, SINCE 1989. WE'VE RAISED THREE KIDS HERE, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY TO HAVE GRANDCHILDREN SOMEDAY. JERILYN.
WE HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED THAT ONE OUT YET, BUT, WE'VE BEEN HERE THAT LENGTH OF TIME, AND OBVIOUSLY I'VE SERVED ON A NUMBER OF BOARDS AND START OUT WITH BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS A LONG, LONG TIME AGO. AND THEN CITY COUNCIL MAYOR CURRENTLY ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD, BY PROFESSION, I'M AN ATTORNEY, PARTNER IN THE LAW FIRM OF KOONTZ, FULLER AND, JUST ENJOY BEING PART OF THE PROCESS FOR THE CITY, YOU KNOW, SERVE ON BOND COMMISSIONS, BOND COMMITTEES, ALL THAT SORT OF THING. SO HAPPY TO BE HERE. RICK MCDANIEL. 38 YEAR EDUCATOR, STARTED OUT TEACHER COACH BACK IN TYLER, TEXAS, BACK IN THE DAY, BECAME PRINCIPAL OF TYLER LEE, WAS THERE FOR A WHILE, THEN MOVED AND OPENED UP MCKINNEY BOYD HIGH SCHOOL AS THEIR FIRST PRINCIPAL IN 2006. AND I BELIEVE MISS KEEVER WAS ON THE BOARD AT THAT TIME. SO IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY THAT TURNED OUT, ONE SEVENTH OF THE PROBLEM. BUT I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO STAY IN MCKINNEY AND MOVE UP THE RANKS. ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT FINALLY , SUPERINTENDENT FOR EIGHT YEARS. SO I RETIRED THIS PAST YEAR AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF THAT.
AND I'M ENJOYING EVERY MINUTE OF IT. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S GLAD TO BE A PART OF THIS. WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE MCKINNEY AFTER I RETIRED. WE CHOOSE WE CHOSE TO STAY HERE. WE LOVE THIS PLACE. IT'S THE BEST PLACE WE'VE EVER LIVED. AND SO OUR DESIRE IS TO STAY HERE AND BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY IN WHATEVER CAPACITY WE CAN. AND I'VE SERVED ON SEVERAL BOARDS, AS MANY IN THIS ROOM HAVE, AND I WILL ALWAYS BE HERE AND AVAILABLE. SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. SIR, BETTY PETKOVSEK, I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT. WE OWNED AND OPERATED A PHARMACY HERE IN MCKINNEY, AND I'M A RETIRED PHARMACIST. BUT, I WAS ALSO ON THE SCHOOL BOARD WHEN YOU CAME IN 2006. I SERVED WITH JERILYN AND, BEEN ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. I'M CURRENTLY ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD, AND I AM PATIENTLY AWAITING MY EIGHTH GRANDCHILD TO BE HERE. SO . I'M KEITH GULL. I'VE BEEN ON MCKINNEY RESIDENT SINCE OH SIX.
CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE VISIT MCKINNEY BOARD. I WAS ON THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS
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COMMISSION FOR A WHILE, I'M A BATTALION CHIEF FOR THE CITY OF FRISCO. FRISCO FIRE DEPARTMENT, JUST REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE. BLESSED THAT I CAN PROVIDE SOME KIND OF INPUT AND, I'M HERE FOR WHATEVER MCKINNEY NEEDS. I'M AJ MICHIELETTO. I'VE BEEN IN MCKINNEY FOR 19 YEARS. IT'S ACTUALLY THE LONGEST PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED. SO THIS IS HOME FOR ME, I CURRENTLY SIT AS THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE MAIN STREET BOARD, BUT I'VE ALSO HAD THE PLEASURE TO WORK FOR SEVERAL NON-PROFITS IN OUR AREA, INCLUDING COMMUNITY LIFELINE CENTER, ONE HEART MCKINNEY, AND CURRENTLY THE LOVE LIFE FOUNDATION. I AM LAUREN SMITH. I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HUGS CAFE, INC, I HAVE WORKED FOR AND SUPPORTED THE ORGANIZATION FOR, EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS. I AM ALSO PROUD TO BE A DOWNTOWN RESIDENT. I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE MCKINNEY INCLUSION COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE MAIN STREET BOARD. AND AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO LEND MY SUPPORT HERE. NOW THAT WAS PAINLESS AND, THAT WAS GREAT. NOW YOU ALL KNOW EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT MORE. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME BREAKOUTS OR WHATEVER, SO AT LEAST YOU WON'T BE COMPLETE STRANGERS. SO THANKS FOR DOING THAT. WE HAVE AN EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE REALLY ARE BLESSED. I WAS TELLING FOLKS I WAS IN NEW ENGLAND THIS LAST WEEKEND IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, SPECIFICALLY, AND I SAW A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, THAT WAS ON THE TOP OF THE FOLD IN THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, A SUNDAY PAPER WHERE THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND PEOPLE TO EVEN WORK THE HEADLINE WAS, WHO WILL PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT MATTER? AND LOCAL COMMUNITIES IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND LOTS OF PLACES IN RURAL AMERICA AND OTHERS, THEY CANNOT FIND PEOPLE TO SERVE ON VOLUNTEER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THEY CAN'T FIND EMPLOYEES TO WORK IN THE CITY'S AGING POPULATION, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER FACTORS CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. BUT WE ARE WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM HERE. WE'RE VERY LUCKY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS MOVING IN. WE HAVE A RELATIVELY YOUTHFUL COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE VERY, VERY CARING PEOPLE WHO REALLY CARE AND THIS THIS IS EXEMPLIFIED RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM. SO THANK YOU. AND I THINK THERE'S FIVE FOLKS MISSING. SO I KNOW THAT THEY EMBODY IT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR. AND YOU GUYS AT YOUR SHOW. THANK YOU, PAUL. MAYOR FULLER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AS WELL. TREVOR LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. DO YOU WANT TO. THAT'S GOOD. INTRO THE BREAKOUT OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT? I'M HAPPY TO, IF YOU WANT TO DO OUR COMMENT REAL QUICK, THEN YES , THIS IS AN AUDIBLE WE'RE CALLING HERE. SO ROB TEMPLE IS PART OF THIS COMMITTEE, BUT ROB COULD NOT BE HERE. HE HAS SENT A STATEMENT THAT HE WOULD LIKE, READ INTO THE RECORD. SO I WILL DO THAT AT THIS TIME. IT IS IT'S RELEVANT TO MOST OF WHAT WE TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. SO WE DECIDED TO READ THAT AT THE FRONT END. SO GIVE ME JUST A MINUTE HERE.UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS ROB TEMPLE. UNFORTUNATELY, I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING THIS WEEK AS I WILL BE IN DC. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THIS STATEMENT REGARDING TERM LIMITS FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR AND ASK THAT IT BE READ TO THE TEAM IN MY ABSENCE. I AM OPPOSED TO TERM LIMITS. I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS SHARED BY SOME OTHER MEMBERS AT OUR LAST MEETING REGARDING TERM LIMITS, WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNCIL OR ULTIMATELY THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY WILL VOTE TO ELIMINATE TERM LIMITS. ISN'T OUR ROLE. OUR TASK, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS TO PRESENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL BASED UPON DATA WHICH, FROM RESEARCH PROVIDED TO US, I ALSO DON'T AGREE. AS WAS STATED AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO SERVES A LONG TIME DEVELOP SOME UNDUE INFLUENCE. I WANT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO BUILD, EXPERIENCE AND DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS TO BE INFLUENTIAL ON OUR BEHALF AT THE LOCAL, REGIONAL, STATE AND ULTIMATELY THE NATIONAL LEVEL. I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED THAT AT OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND HOW BENEFICIAL THAT CAN BE. FINALLY, AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHETHER OUR WHEN OUR SCHOOL BOARD, OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND COUNTY JUDGE, OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY, OUR SHERIFF, OUR DISTRICT JUDGES AND OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES, STATE SENATORS, ATTORNEY GENERAL OR OUR GOVERNOR, OUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, OUR US SENATE MEMBERS ALL OPERATE WITHOUT TERM LIMITS.
YET THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL IN MCKINNEY HAVE TERM LIMITS. I ASK WHAT JUSTIFIES THE INCONSISTENCY? I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ONE OF THE RESEARCH RESULTS THAT WHEN TERM LIMITS ARE IN PLACE, THAT REMOVES MY RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THE PERSON I BELIEVE IS MOST QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION. END QUOTE. SO WE'VE READ THAT INTO THE RECORD, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEFT OUR LAST MEETING WITH WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TERM WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE
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BENEFICIAL TO BREAK OUT FOR ABOUT AN EIGHT TO A TEN MINUTE TIME BREAK INTO GROUPS OF FOUR AND ONE OF FIVE, AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AND LET EVERYONE PARTICIPATE. IF THEY CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TERMS IN MCKINNEY. SO LET'S LET'S DO THAT. NOW. WE CAN EITHER HUDDLE IN AN AREA. IF YOU WANT TO PULL PULL AWAY. WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. BUT THE FOUR POOR PEOPLE NEAREST TO YOU, LET'S BREAK INTO THOSE GROUPS. AND THEN TREVOR, YOU HAVE A TIMER. YEAH I DO, AND WE'LL HAVE THE COMMISSION TIMELINE AVAILABLE, THE CHARGES AVAILABLE IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE BACK TO THAT. BUT WE GOT A TEN MINUTE TIMER GOING. SO AS SOON AS SOMEBODY GIVES ME A THUMBS UP, WE'LL START. AND ONE OF THE MAIN THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, AGAIN, THE LENGTH OF A TERM IN MCKINNEY. ALSO FOUR SEATS UP HERE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO CONGREGATE. SEE WHAT. SO WHEN YOU DO YOUR PERSONAL TWO HOURS AND 20 MINUTES, THE PARALLEL. OF OUR BOTH OF WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY FILLED OUT. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO MADE A CAREER IN POLITICIANS SO WE CAN MAKE THOSE PEOPLE COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY FOR. EACH TO COME IN LIKE THIS, YOU CAN CONTINUE OR WHEN YOU'RE NEW. I PERSONALLY. THANK. TERM LIMIT WHICH IS GOOD. THANK.FOR OUR TIME. SO YES. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT. THAT. THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. OKAY. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND A JOB. YES, YES.
YEAH SO I'M NOT CLEAR. YOU GUYS MAY BE THE ONE. IS TWO TERMS AND . I'M NOT DOING. HOW ARE YOU? I HAVE SO I DRAW YOUR. YOUR YOUR LAST WEEK OR TWO. I'M A SOURCE OF THAT COMMENT ABOUT. I KNEW I WAS GOING TO HIT YOUR LEG. NO, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO. I RAISED THE QUESTION RECENTLY. YEAH YOU GO BACK AND READ THIS. WHAT PEOPLE ARE IN A POSITION OF RESPONSIBILITY. THEIR LEVEL. AND WE HAVE TO FIND THE BALANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE IMPORTANT LEVELS OF TIPPING THE SCALES ALL THE TIME. SUGGESTED THAT OUR. PERSONALLY BENEFIT SO. AND PEJORATIVE NATURE. YEAH. THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE. IT'S JUST A POINT OF VIEW. SO YOU CAN DO YOUR JOB VERY WELL FOR EIGHT YEARS.
AGAIN. THANK YOU. OKAY, I THINK IT'S. MY DAD. MY DAD. OKAY. SO. OKAY. SO IT WAS. YEAH YEAH. YEAH BUT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO UNSEAT INCUMBENT. IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO UNSEAT AN INCUMBENT. YOU HAVE THE NAME RECOGNITION THAT PEOPLE GO TO. THE POLLS ARE NOT VERY EDUCATED.
I'VE HEARD OF THAT GUY. SO HE OR SHE IS ALREADY THERE. SO IT'S NOT.
TO. WE HAVE QUESTIONS TODAY. SO WE CAN SEE NOW IS HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH NOW YOU ARE CORRECT. WE
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VOTED 15 OVER HERE. YES SO THAT'S ONE POINT WHERE. THIS. CAME. I CAN. DRIVE AROUND AND AFTER A WHILE, TWO YEARS. YOU'RE GOING TO BECOME RIGHT. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY IT'S NOT THAT CORRUPTION. I DON'T WANT ANYONE. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL THAT'S A RISK. IT'S A RISK. IT'S ONE OF THE WAYS OF MANAGING. MY. I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK SO. BECAUSE I'M. NOW EACH ONE OF US. YEAH. I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. AND I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE LOOK HOW WE'RE SITTING 200,000 AND WE HAVE LESS THAN 10% TURNOUT FOR THE LAST. WELL THE TURNOUT, BUT THE TURNOUT IS SO LOW. SO, SO. THE POWER OF INCUMBENCY IS SO STRONG HERE.RIGHT. WELL, MY POINT. WHAT I SAID IN THE LAST WEEK IS TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE GROWN SO MUCH. THERE'S SO MUCH NEW TALENT HERE. IT'S GOT TO ROTATE PEOPLE THROUGH. OUR TOWN IS GOING TO BECOME STALE AND IT'S GOING TO BECOME ONE PERSON'S IDEA, OR ONE GROUP'S IDEA OF HOW MANY SHOULD BE. AND THERE ARE JUST SOME GREAT, GREAT, GREAT PEOPLE I'VE MET IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT ARE INVOLVED AND WANT TO BE INVOLVED. AND WE HAVE TO LET THEM HAVE THEIR PLACE TOO. AND IT'S JUST ABOUT FOUR MINUTES LEFT. SO, I FORGOT, I, I WISH I HAD REMEMBERED THIS REALLY WELL. NO. OH WELL, THAT'S MY THING. AND THEN TERM LIMITS ARE GOOD AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. WE GOT TO KEEP TERM LIMITS BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE GOT TO GET THEM AT THE STATE LEVEL. WE GOT TO GET THEM AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE HAVE TO MAIN STREET. WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE TO CLICK. LIKE IN A POLITICAL CAREER OUT OF BEING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. YEAH, IT'S NOT HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. A SERVANT'S ROLE. AND I THINK NOW I THINK WE ROTATE OFF AND I KNOW I'VE ONLY SEEN ONE FULL YEAR. RIGHT. AND I'M JUST NOW WE NEED TO CHECK OUT THE BIG PICTURE. YOU KNOW, REALLY DOVE IN AND. YEAH. WELL I DON'T KNOW THE TERM LIMITS. REALLY, REALLY. ANYBODY'S OUT THERE. AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER SOMEONE IS TERMED OUT. THEY CAN STILL BE ON A BOARD. SO YOUNG COMMISSIONER, AND THEY CAN TAKE A BREAK AND THEN RUN FOR COUNCIL AND COME BACK, I, I ASSUME ALL OF US. OF THE ABILITY TO. BUT I SERVED ON NBC AND IT WAS I WAS YOUNG, I LOVED I WAS HIRED BY SURVIVED. AND WE. I DON'T THINK. HOW WE WATCH THIS. HOW WE CHANGE. GEARS FIVE YEARS. YEAH. SO THE REASON I SAY THAT IS SO I CAN GO BACK AND IT'S NOT AN EASY THING TO SAY. WHAT THEY NEED. YEAH. I'M HOPING. I'M HOPING THAT IT WAS NOT EASY. IT GOT IN, RIGHT. RIGHT. ONE POINT IS GUILTY. I GOT VOTED. GOT VOTED. SO THIS IS JUST WHAT. JUST CAME IN THE WAY I THINK SHE WAS ON COUNCIL. SHE GOT HERE IN
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98. YEAH, I REMEMBER SHE SAID YES. SO. WELL. AND. AND I'M WILLING TO ANYWAY, I'LL TALK TO WEBSITE. IT'S NOTHING LIKE BEING ON HER SEAT READING ABOUT YOUR HOMETOWN BEING. THE POTHOLES HAVE MOVED AWAY. OH BOY. THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD STORY. MCKINNEY, TEXAS. RIGHT AND. AND SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE TALKING ABOUT WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH. SO WE HAVE ISSUES WITH.THAT THAT THE. COMMUNITY IN THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THEY WERE TRYING TO BUILD THE TRUST BACK BECAUSE THE TRUST BEHIND OUR. BRAND. I COULD TELL YOU ALL ABOUT MR. I'LL TELL Y'ALL ABOUT PRIDE. YEAH. WHAT WAS THAT? WHITFIELD WHITFIELD AT THE TIME THAT WAS BACK IN THE EARLY 80.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH BUT THEY GO AND BILL SERVED TWO TERMS AS MAYOR. YEAH. SO THERE ARE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LONG ESTABLISHED THIS IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF. COME AROUND. I HOPE THAT YOUR SEAT OVER HERE. WITH YOUR COMMENTS THAT WAS PROBABLY. YEAH YEAH. GET BACK TO THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT'S A GOOD. YEAH THAT'S KIND OF WORK. YEAH THAT'S THAT'S. THE SAME I KNOW WE, WE WHEN WE MOVED HERE IN 90 I THINK IT WAS 52,000 PEOPLE SAID, YEAH, NOW WE'RE 220. AND WE HAD A WALMART. YEAH. BUT HERE'S THE THING. ONE OF. I I SAID LAST TIME IS THERE'S NO COMPELLING REASON TO CHANGE. I KNOW YOU WANT TO. IT'S ABOUT 11 MINUTES OR SO. SO DO YOU KNOW.
WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT THIS CHANGE? THAT'S ABOUT 11 MINUTES. SO WE ARE READY TO ROLL AS SOON AS Y'ALL ARE. I DID SAY OH, NO, NO, YOU LOOK AT IT. YEAH AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. YES AND WE FORTUNATELY YEAH WE DID. AND THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO SAVE THEIR JOB. BY THE PROJECT. SO. YOU. UNDERSTAND IF YOU COME. ALL RIGHT. LET'S COME BACK TOGETHER, I'M GOING TO WRAP UP THE CONVERSATIONS. IT'S WORTH . MAYOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO WHAT'S CALLED A SLIDO. IT'S AN ANONYMOUS POLL, AND THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS ON THE SCREEN. YOU'LL NEED TO PULL OUT YOUR YOUR SMARTPHONE DEVICE AND SCAN THE, THE SCREEN. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS LENGTH OF TERM, THAT, WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR BREAKOUT. AND THEN ALSO THERE MAY BE ANOTHER QUESTION OR TWO THAT WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT.
WHAT'S THE MONEY LINE TONIGHT? I KNOW I THINK DALLAS HAS A POINT AND A HALF. SO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN IN WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. THIS IS JUST A TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM, QUESTION. NOT THIS ONE, BUT THE OTHERS. AND THEN THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE WE'LL DO
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THE SLIDO AGAIN AT ANOTHER POINT IN THIS PROCESS TO SEE IF OUR RESPONSES CHANGE. THE RESPONSES ARE ANONYMOUS. IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE DOWNLOADING THE QR CODE, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY, I GOT IT.YEAH. AND ONCE WE ONCE WE. THAT TOP NUMBER TELLS US HOW MANY HAS RESPONDED. ONCE EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE AND HAS RESPONDED, JUST KEEP YOUR PHONE OUT. WHEN I PROGRESS THE SLIDE, IT'LL GO RIGHT INTO THE NEXT QUESTION. YOU'LL SEE THE NEXT QUESTION IN YOUR HAND. OH. LATER PEOPLE LIKE I GOT IN FOR BASKETBALL. 610 OUR TIME THIS. EXACTLY. YEAH. I GREW UP IN CHICAGO. I'VE GOT A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT ALLEGIANCES. OH, YOU HAVE. OH, SEE, I'M NOT ALONE. I I KNOW, I KNOW, OR THE CUBS OR MY BEARS OR ANYBODY. I THINK CHARLIE'S. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH ALL RIGHT. SO EVERYBODY FEEL GOOD. EVERYBODY FEEL GOOD. OKAY GREAT. 81. GOOD LUCK TO YOU, MAVS, SO THIS NEXT QUESTION IS JUST KIND OF WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THRESHOLD QUESTIONS. THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN BUILT INTO THE QUESTION SET. SO FEEL FREE TO RESPOND TO THAT. QUESTION.
THAT'S KIND OF NEAT. WHAT'S THIS THIS. I DID OKAY. THAT'S EVERYBODY. PEOPLE ARE CHANGING.
IT'S CATCHING UP. IT'S CATCHING UP OR CHANGING. OKAY EVERYBODY LOCKED IN? YEAH. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PAUSE PERIODS LAST TIME. SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THRESHOLD QUESTIONS .
THAT'S A DEBRIS THAT'S GOOD FOR US. IT'S GOOD FOR US TO KNOW BECAUSE WE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF SPEND SOME TIME ON THAT. BUT YOU DON'T SPECIFY COUNCIL OR MAYOR THOUGH ā WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAT WEEK. GENERALLY. IT WAS, JUST A RESPONSE TO OVERALL THOUGHTS. THIS ONE'S A LITTLE. IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ANSWER, YOU CAN ALWAYS NOT ANSWER. BUT THIS WAS IN LIGHT OF IF THERE WAS A PAUSE PERIOD. HOW LONG THAT SHOULD BE, AGAIN, WITH IT BEING TIED, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO AT A FUTURE DATE. OKAY. THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT TERM LENGTHS FOR COUNCIL OR MAYOR, AGAIN, THIS IS THE LENGTH OF A TERM.
OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS WHAT THE CHAIRMAN KIND OF PROMPTED BEFORE THE BREAKOUT SESSION. PREFERENCE FOR NUMBER OF TERM'S PER SEAT OR POSITION.
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LOCKED IN. OKAY SO THEN, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU WANTED TO HAVE A LITTLE TIME FOR DISCUSSION BASED ON THE RESULTS. IF YOU WANT TO JUMP BACK TO ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS, WE CAN GO BACK. THE RESULTS SHOULD STILL BE ON THE SCREEN, BUT THAT IS REALLY JUST TO GET A FLAVOR OF WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT BASED ON LAST MEETING. AND THEN BASED ON THE SHORT DISCUSSION THAT YOU ALL HAD PREVIOUS TO THE POLLING. RIGHT. IT AGAIN WAS AN UNSCIENTIFIC POLL, BUT JUST A FLAVOR OF A PULSE OF THE ROOM. WHERE ARE WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LAST MEETING ON THE THREE VERSUS FOUR YEARS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE PEOPLE HAD EITHER TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT OR THINK ABOUT IT OVER, OVER THE, THE LAST TWO WEEKS OR TONIGHT, PULL THE NUMBER OF TERM'S BACK UP THAT LICENSE. SO WE HAVEN'T SPENT MUCH TIME ON THIS AND AGAIN WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE THIS POLL DURING THIS PROCESS TO SEE IF THE RESPONSE HAS CHANGED. DO WE HAVE SOME OF THIS IN OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT? IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT TERMS OR ARE WE ALL ABOUT COMPOSITION? IT'S PRIMARILY ABOUT COMPOSITION OKAY . THERE THERE IS, A RANGE OF DATA REGARDING TERMS ON THE LANDING PAGE, WEBSITE ON THAT SPREADSHEET THAT CATALOGS ABOUT 40, TEXAS CITIES AND THEN THREE OTHER CITIES OF KIND OF LIKE SIZE METRO AREA THROUGHOUT THE NATION. AND EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS A CATALOG DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE TERM SITUATION IS IN THOSE DIFFERENT CITIES. DO WE HAVE I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. CAN WE GO BACK TO, THE VOTING ON TERM LIMITS OR NOT? SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO SEE THAT NUMBER. THANK YOU. COULD I JUST SAY SOMETHING THAT I FOUND OUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AFTER OUR PRESENTATION, I DID A LOT OF MY OWN RESEARCH, AND SOME OF THE DATA THAT I ACTUALLY FOUND, THE, THE NUMBERS THAT I SAW WERE SURPRISING TO ME. THINGS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND AS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, I SENT IT OUT AND JUST HAD QUESTIONS. PRETTY MUCH 9% OF THE US CITIES HAVE TERM LIMITS. 9. THEY ARE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT CITIES OVER 250,000 HAVE, A HIGHER PROPENSITY OF HAVING TERM LIMITS FOR THEIR MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND THAT'S STILL ONLY AT 51. AND OUT OF THOSE 51, THE MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE SUPER MAYORS. AND FOR THOSE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW WHO IS WHAT A SUPER MAYOR IS, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY A MAYOR. AND A, CITY MANAGER IN ONE. AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TERM LIMITS AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT HERE, I REALLY WOULD ASK YOU GUYS TO RECONSIDER AND JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT THE EFFECT OF HAVING AN ADDITIONAL TERM OR GIVING OUR CONSTITUENTS THE, THE OPTION TO CHOOSE AN ADDITIONAL TERM, BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TO ASK WHETHER OUR VOTERS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A MAYOR OR A COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE OUR AS OUR CITY GROWS, WE ARE GOING TO NEED LEADERSHIP THAT CAN GO AND REPRESENT OUR CITY AND FIGHT FOR DOLLARS THAT OTHER CITIES LIKE DALLAS, LIKE FORT WORTH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, OTHER LARGE CITIES TO BRING BACK GRANTS AND BRING BACK THINGS TO HELP, WITH OUR WITH OUR TAX BURDEN. AND WE'VE BEEN SEEING THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE RECENTLY GOT ONE FOR FROM THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION FOR OUR CITY. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPEN ONE, BECAUSE OF A RELATIONSHIP. AND TWO, BECAUSE OF THE TENURE OF THE PERSON IN OFFICE. AND SO I JUST REALLY ASK YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. AND AS WE GROW, OUR CITY REALLY, REALLY NEEDS PEOPLE THAT HAVE ONE THE DESIRE AND TWO, THE KNOWLEDGE. BRIAN, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT. BEING SOMEONE WHO SERVED AS A MAYOR AND, CITY COUNCIL. YEAH, FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK. NO YEAH, I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS, AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. I AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY. I HAVE, A LOT OF FAMILY COMING IN TOWN THIS ACTUALLY STARTING LAST NIGHT. MY FATHER PASSED AWAY IN MARCH, AND WE'RE DOING A MEMORIAL THIS WEEKEND, SO I'M GOING TO BE LEAVING HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT AS FAR, I WAS TALKING TO OUR GROUP ABOUT IT AND NOT TO SOUND WISHY WASHY, BUT THE, THE IDEA OF FOUR YEAR TERMS AND TWO TERM LIMITS. AND BY THE WAY, I DID HAVE A PAUSE[00:40:07]
HERE. I WAS ON COUNCIL FOR TWO TERMS. DISTRICT FOUR. MY TERM ENDED. I SAT OFF A YEAR AND THEN CAME BACK, RAN FOR MAYOR. SO QUITE FRANKLY, I DIDN'T REALLY MISS ANYTHING BY BEING OFF A YEAR. BUT, WHEN YOU HAVE A FOUR YEAR TERM LIMIT, FOUR YEAR AND TWO TERM LIMITS, I THINK WHAT IT DOES IS IT IT IT HELPS YOU FOCUS LOCALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO MAKE TO HOPEFULLY MAKE SOME THINGS HAPPEN. AND WE HAD A GOOD COUNCIL WITH JERILYN AND DAVID BROOKS AND OTHERS THAT, DURING THAT TIME WE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT. BUT BUT IT REALLY WAS THE FOCUS WAS MORE THAT AND WHAT AJ SAYS IS ALSO TRUE IN THE SENSE THAT I KNOW. WHEN I WENT TO THE FIRST U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS MEETING IN WASHINGTON, D.C, I, WAS IN A MEETING AND THEY HAD THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OR LEADERSHIP GROUP. AND I ASKED THE MAYOR OF SEATTLE AT THE TIME, I SAID, WELL, HOW DO YOU GET INTO THIS GROUP? BECAUSE I KNEW YOU HAD TO BE THERE A WHILE. AND HIS RESPONSE WAS, WELL, ANY CITY THAT HAS TERM LIMITS WILL NEVER BE IN THIS GROUP, BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH TO BEING A AND I SERVED ON A TRANSPORTATION BOARD AND A COUPLE OTHER BOARDS IN THOSE MEETINGS, AND THEY SAID, BY THE TIME YOU WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH THAT BOARD PROCESS, AND IF YOU EVER MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU'RE A CHAIR OR WHATEVER, BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THAT POINT, YOU'RE YOU'RE OUT. YOU'RE NOT ELECTED ANYMORE. AND SO YOU'RE JUST NEVER THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE AN INTEREST IN PUTTING YOU IN THAT POSITION. SO YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE THAT IMPACT. YOU KNOW, SO, SO THAT IS A CONSIDERATION. BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE AIRPORT. WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF MONEY NATIONALLY ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS, REGIONALLY, ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, GERALDINE SERVING ON THE WATER DISTRICT RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN AVENUE FOR BEING, EFFECTIVE EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU YOU SERVE MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST PUTTING YOURSELF OUT THERE. SO I KNOW THAT'S NOT GIVING YOU MY OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I I DO HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS IN THE SENSE OF ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU RUN FOR OFFICE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU GO IN, LIKE, I KNEW I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SERVE TWO TERMS, I KNEW I WASN'T GOING TO GET PAID FOR IT. I KNEW THAT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS VOLUNTEER AND COMMUNITY WORK. AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I KNOW THAT THINGS CHANGE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S NOT YOUR MINDSET, THEN DON'T RUN. BUT, AND ON THAT AND I APOLOGIZE, I WILL PLAN TO BE AT THE NEXT MEETING AND STAY THE ENTIRE TIME. SO THANK YOU, RON. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. WE APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE ELSE? QUICKLY, BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR PRESENTATION, HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON ON THE ON THE POLL? VERY GOOD . FOREVER. THE FLOOR IS YOURS BUDDY. THANK YOU. SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO I'M GOING TO SWITCH DANCE PARTNERS, HAND IT OVER TO MR. HAUSER TO INTRODUCE GUNNAR SEAQUIST WHILE WE PULL UP HIS SLIDES. SO JUST GIVE US A COUPLE SECONDS HERE. THANK YOU. TREVOR GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN TONIGHT. I WANT TO INTRODUCE MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE, GUNNAR SEAQUIST, WHO HAS WORKED HIS FIRM. BICKERSTAFF HEATH FROM AUSTIN, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH MCKINNEY FOR A LONG TIME, PROBABLY THREE CENSUSES AND SO I KNOW THEM WELL. THEY ARE THE EXPERTS IN THE STATE ON THIS QUESTION OF, REDISTRICTING AND GETTING THOSE PLANS APPROVED FOR COUNCIL. SO HIS SECOND SECTION TONIGHT WILL BE AN EXPLANATION OF THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AT LARGE. AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL IN THOSE QUESTIONS. AND, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, GUNNAR SEAQUIST, THANK YOU. MARK WELCOME. HEY, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I AM GUNNAR SEAQUIST, WITH LAW FIRM OF BICKERSTAFF HEATH, IT IS OUR PRIVILEGE TO SERVE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AND ONE OF OUR FOCUSES IS REDISTRICTING.AND AS MARK MENTIONED, WE HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF REDISTRICTING. MCKINNEY FOR SOME TIME NOW. I DID THE REDISTRICTING MOST RECENTLY AFTER THE 2020 CENSUS, WHICH WE ACTUALLY REDISTRICTED, IN 2022. AND SO MY HOPE TONIGHT IS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION, ON THE POSSIBILITIES AND THE PROCESS FOR ANY CHANGES TO THE CITY COUNCIL COMPOSITION, SOME OF THE TERMS THAT YOU'LL HEAR AND FORGIVE ME FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ALREADY KNOW IT, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T NECESSARILY, FOCUSED ON REDISTRICTING OR COUNCIL COMPOSITIONS BEFORE THIS , YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE TALKING A LOT ABOUT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS VERSUS AT LARGE DISTRICTS. AND OBVIOUSLY, THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS FOR AN AT
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LARGE SEAT, YOU HAVE TWO AT LARGE SEATS ON THE COUNCIL RIGHT NOW. THOSE FOLKS RUN ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. THEY'RE ELECTED BY VOTERS FROM ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, YOUR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS ARE THE FOUR DISTRICTS THAT YOU HAVE, THOSE ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY BOUND, AND THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY TO RUN IN ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS. YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS AND TO VOTE FOR ONE OF THE CANDIDATES IN THOSE DISTRICTS, YOU ALSO HAVE TO LIVE THERE. SO THERE THE CANDIDATES RUN FROM AND ARE ELECTED BY INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS AND SO THIS IS, SET OUT BY THE CITY'S CHARTER, AS I MENTIONED, YOU'VE GOT A MAYOR, SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS, TWO OF THOSE AT LARGE FOR CURRENTLY, FROM SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY CHANGING THE COMPOSITION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU ARE LOOKING AT EITHER CONVERTING AT LARGE SEATS TO SINGLE MEMBER OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND, OR ADDING, SEATS EITHER SINGLE MEMBER OR AT LARGE . THIS IS YOUR CURRENT MAP. THIS WAS THE RESULT OF THE MOST RECENT REDISTRICTING, OBVIOUSLY, FOUR SEATS. AND I WAS KIND OF LOOKING BACK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS TYPICALLY HAPPENS, AFTER EACH DECENNIAL CENSUS COMES OUT. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS BASICALLY FOR POPULATION BALANCE. THE 14TH AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. IMPOSES THE ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE REQUIREMENT. AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS SUCH AS THESE, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THEY REMAIN RELATIVELY EQUAL IN POPULATION, SO THAT, BASICALLY EVERYBODY IS VOTING. STRENGTH IS ROUGHLY THE SAME ACROSS THE DISTRICTS. IF YOU HAVE DISTRICTS THAT ARE EITHER VASTLY OVERPOPULATED OR UNDERPOPULATED IN COMPARISON TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE EFFECT OF EITHER OVERVALUING OR DEVALUING, THE VOTES OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE VOTING IN THOSE DISTRICTS. SO, TYPICALLY THIS PROCESS HAPPENS AFTER THE DECENNIAL CENSUS, OBVIOUSLY, IN THE TERMS OF A CHARTER AMENDMENT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARTER COMPOSITION, THEN YOU CAN END UP HAVING TO REDISTRICT, MID-CYCLE OR AFTER THE NEXT CYCLE, DEPENDING ON WHEN THOSE CHANGES GO INTO EFFECT. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IN ANY EVENT, BEFORE I GET TO THAT SLIDE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE COMPOSITION, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENGAGE IN A THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO ENGAGE IN A REDISTRICTING PROCESS, AND REDRAW EITHER THE EXISTING DISTRICTS TO ADD OR OMIT DISTRICTS OR JUST KIND OF FOR BACKGROUND ON WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. THERE ARE KIND OF FOUR, GENERAL LEGAL PRINCIPLES THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS. AND THIS IS HOW DISTRICTS ARE DRAWN. AND WHAT THE END RESULT, KIND OF HOW THE END RESULT COMES ABOUT, ULTIMATELY, REDISTRICTING IS A IS A POLITICAL PROCESS. THE COUNCIL GETS TO DECIDE HOW DISTRICTS ARE DRAWN, THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT INTO THAT PROCESS, OF COURSE, BUT ULTIMATELY IT COMES DOWN TO A COUNCIL VOTE. BUT GOVERNING THE LEGALITY OF REDISTRICTING OR KIND OF THESE FOUR LEGAL PRINCIPLES. AND THE FIRST IS, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, BALANCING POPULATION ACROSS DISTRICTS, THIS ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE REQUIREMENT COMES OUT OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. THERE IS ALSO THE FEDERAL VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WHICH CONTROLS THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS. AND ULTIMATELY, WHAT THAT IS, IS A NONDISCRIMINATION PROVISION. IT IS TO ENSURE THAT ANY ELECTORAL CHANGES THAT ARE MADE BY A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, INCLUDING CITIES, DON'T HAVE THE EFFECT OF LIMITING ELECTORAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PROTECTED MINORITY OR LANGUAGE CLASS VOTERS, THERE IS ALSO A LINE OF SUPREME COURT AUTHORITY, THAT'S CALLED THE SHAW VERSUS RENO, LINE OF CASES. AND THAT'S SORT OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT COIN, BECAUSE IT LIMITS, THE USE OF RACE IN TRYING TO REDISTRICT OR DRAW DISTRICTS. ULTIMATELY, REDISTRICTING IS A RACE NEUTRAL, PROPOSITION. HOWEVER, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT MAKES SURE THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER RACE JUST ENOUGH TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NOT ANY DISCRIMINATORY EFFECT OF A REDISTRICTING, ALSO, VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WE USED TO HEAR A LOT OF THE TIME ABOUT SECTION FIVE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND WHAT THAT REQUIRED WAS REALLY IF YOU WERE GOING TO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF MCKINNEY WAS GOING TO REDISTRICT AND HAD CHANGES, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE SENT TO WASHINGTON, D.C. FOR PRECLEARANCE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OR PRE-CLEARED THROUGH THE COURT, BEFORE ANY CHANGES COULD BE MADE , THERE WAS A UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT CASE CALLED SHELBY VERSUS HOLDER, IN WHICH THE SUPREME COURT SAID THAT REQUIREMENT NO LONGER APPLIES. SO IF IN FACT, THERE IS A CHARTER AMENDMENT, IF IT PASSES, IF THE IF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY NEEDS TO, OR IS GOING TO CHANGE THE COMPOSITION OF ITS CITY COUNCIL, IT CAN DO THAT NOW WITHOUT, PRE CLEARING THROUGH EITHER THE DISTRICT COURT OR THE[00:50:02]
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THIS IS THE GENERAL RULE FOR HOW WE BALANCE POPULATION. WHEN WE DO A REDISTRICTING. SO ACROSS CURRENTLY THIS IS WHAT WE DID FOR THE EXISTING FOR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS IN OUR LAST REDISTRICTING. SO WHAT YOU'LL DO NEXT TIME AROUND. AND AGAIN, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT, EACH SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT HAS APPROXIMATELY EQUAL POPULATION Y, APPROXIMATELY EQUAL AND NOT EXACTLY EQUAL. IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY DISTRIBUTED, YOU DON'T LIVE IN A WAY THAT WE CAN CARVE YOU INTO EXACTLY EQUAL DISTRICTS MOST OF THE TIME. AND PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHEN WE DO REDISTRICTING, WE HAVE TO DRAW BASED ON THE POPULATION TAKEN BY THE CENSUS, AND THE CENSUS IS TAKEN IN SPECIFIC CENSUS BLOCKS. AND THOSE ARE KIND OF THE SMALLEST DENOMINATION THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVES US FOR POPULATION NUMBERS FOR THE CITY AND EACH DECENNIAL CENSUS. SO WE HAVE TO DRAW ESSENTIALLY BASED ON THE GEOGRAPHIC BLOCKS WITH POPULATION, THAT THE DEPARTMENT OR EXCUSE ME, THE CENSUS BUREAU GIVES US. AND SO SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'LL LOOK AT THE REDISTRICTING MAPS, YOU'LL THINK, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF AN ODD PLACE TO HAVE A LINE A LOT OF THE TIME. THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAD TO DRAW WHERE THE US CENSUS BLOCK WAS. THEY MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON SOMEBODY DRAWING THEM IN WASHINGTON, DC, NOT BASED ON LOCAL INPUT FROM MCKINNEY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU CAN GET SOME SORT OF STRANGE, LINES BASED ON CENSUS BLOCKS. BUT, USING THOSE CENSUS BLOCKS, WE DIVVY UP THE, THE CITY AND IN PARTICULAR IN THE DISTRICTS INTO ROUGHLY EQUAL POPULATION. AND WHAT WE LOOK AT THAT AND WHAT THE COURTS HAVE TOLD US IS TRYING TO DRAW DISTRICTS THAT HAVE A TOTAL DEVIATION OF LESS THAN 10. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS FOR THE DISTRICT THAT ENDS UP HAVING THE MOST POPULATION IN IT VERSUS THE ONE THAT ENDS UP HAVING THE LEAST POPULATION. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO SHOULD BE LESS THAN 10. AND THAT'S SORT OF THE RULE OF THUMB THAT WE TRY TO GO TO, AND JUST AS I MENTIONED, WHEN WE'RE DOING REDISTRICTING, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE REQUIREMENT, WE LOOK AT TOTAL POPULATION BASED ON THE MOST RECENT CENSUS, RECENT CENSUS DATA, AND THAT IS TRUE EVEN IF WE REDISTRICT MID-CYCLE. SO IF THE CITY WERE TO CHANGE ITS COMPOSITION AND WE NEEDED TO REDISTRICT, WE WOULD STILL, AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST PROCESS, BE RELYING PRIMARILY ON THE LAST CENSUS DATA JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST DATA WE HAVE AT THIS POINT, THERE ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN KIND OF ESTIMATE POPULATION CHANGES THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THE 2020 CENSUS WAS TAKEN, WHICH ACTUALLY THE 2020 CENSUS WAS A LITTLE BIT LATE. ANYWAY. BUT THE SORT OF THE SAFEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO USE YOUR 2020 CENSUS DRAW AS BEST YOU CAN. AND THEN WHEN THE NEXT CENSUS COMES OUT, YOU KIND OF DOUBLE CHECK YOUR WORK AGAINST THAT. AND IF YOU NEED TO ADJUST AT THAT POINT, THEN YOU DO IT AGAIN AFTER THE CENSUS FOR VOTING OR FOR VOTING RIGHTS ISSUES. IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE EFFECT ON PROTECTED MINORITY POPULATION, WE LOOK AT VOTING AGE POPULATION, AND NOT TOTAL POPULATION. AGAIN THAT COMES FROM THE FEDERAL COURTS. THE REASON FOR THAT IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE IS PROTECTING VOTERS. AND SO IT'S VOTING AGE. POPULATION IS THE MEASURE OF VOTERS AS OPPOSED TO TOTAL POPULATION, WHICH IS THE BALANCE. THIS IS KIND OF JUST A CALCULATION OF WHAT I DISCUSSED, AGAIN, WE TAKE THE MOST POPULOUS COMPARE IT TO THE LEAST POPULOUS, AND WE JUST NEED THAT DIFFERENCE TO ULTIMATELY MEASURE LESS THAN 10, JUST KIND OF FOR BACKGROUND INFORMATION, WHEN WE REDISTRICTED IN 2022. THE OVERALL DEVIATION I MENTIONED WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS AN OVERALL DEVIATION OF LESS THAN 10. WHEN WE CAME IN AND GOT THE CENSUS NUMBERS FROM THE LAST CENSUS, THE OVERALL DEVIATION FOR THE CITY WAS 45. AND SO WE HAD TO DO A FAIR AMOUNT OF SHIFTING, AND IN PARTICULAR, THE CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS PROBABLY OBSERVED WERE DISTRICT ONE AT A TIME WAS VERY LIGHT IN POPULATION. IT WAS ABOUT 25% UNDERPOPULATED. AND THEN WE HAD DISTRICT FOUR AND TWO, WHICH WERE BOTH BOTH OVERPOPULATED. SO THE EXERCISE THE LAST GO AROUND WAS KIND OF MOVING POPULATION FROM ONE AND THREE, EXCUSE ME, FROM TWO AND FOUR INTO ONE AND THREE TO TRY TO BALANCE THAT OUT ACROSS THE CITY, WHICH WE WERE ULTIMATELY ABLE TO DO. AND THAT WAS KIND OF HOW YOU GOT YOUR CURRENT CONFIGURATION, IN LOOKING AT THE VOTING RIGHTS IMPLICATIONS, AGAIN, THIS, THIS SORT OF NONDISCRIMINATION PROTECTION ON THE BASIS OF RACE OR PROTECTED LANGUAGE, MINORITY STATUS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE OFTENTIMES, YOU'LL HEAR THE TERMS VOTE DILUTION, AND SECTION TWO, MENTIONED TOGETHER. AND AGAIN, THE IDEA IS TO ENSURE THAT IN DRAWING DISTRICTS, WHETHER YOU'RE DRAWING DISTRICTS OR WHETHER YOU ARE CONVERTING DISTRICTS, THAT YOU ARE NOT HAVING THE EFFECT OF ULTIMATELY LIMITING EXISTING,[00:55:02]
ELECTORAL OPPORTUNITY FOR MINORITIES TO ELECT CANDIDATES OF THEIR PREFERENCE. AND SO WHAT YOU HEAR THAT AS OFTENTIMES IS CRACKING OR PACKING A PARTICULAR MINORITY POPULATION, CRACKING IS JUST TAKING A COMPACT MINORITY POPULATION THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE THE VOTING STRENGTH TO ELECT ITS CANDIDATES, AND THEN DIVIDING THEM AMONGST DISTRICTS SO THAT YOU DILUTE THEIR VOTING POWER IN ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICT, PACKING IS TAKING, MINORITY POPULATIONS THAT ARE CENTERED, OVER TWO, WHERE THERE MIGHT BE ELECTORAL OPPORTUNITY IN TWO DISTRICTS, AND THEN FOCUSING THEM ALL IN ONE SO THAT YOU END UP REDUCING THEIR ABILITY TO ELECT IN BOTH OF THOSE DISTRICTS AND LIMITING TO ONE. SO THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE, WE LOOK AT, THERE ARE ALSO OTHER PRACTICES THAT CAN CAN CONSTITUTE SECTION TWO VIOLATIONS BY PRIMARILY IT'S WHAT YOU LOOK AT ARE THESE VOTING DILUTION ISSUES. AGAIN SECTION FIVE PRECLEARANCE IS NO LONGER REQUIRED. IT'S STILL KIND OF A HELPFUL TOOL, I A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, I DON'T KNOW, I OBVIOUSLY WASN'T HERE, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT ACTUALLY THE CURRENT, CONFIGURATION OF THE MCKINNEY CITY COUNCIL DID COME OUT OF A SECTION FIVE CHALLENGE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. BACK THEN, THE STANDARD WAS RETROGRESSION. BASICALLY, DOES ANY CHANGE HAVE THE EFFECT OF REDUCING OR STEPPING BACKWARDS IN TERMS OF ELECTORAL OPPORTUNITY FOR MINORITY POPULATIONS, AGAIN, PRE-CLEARANCE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. RETROGRESSION IS NO LONGER THE STANDARD, BUT IT'S STILL A USEFUL TOOL TO LOOK AT, TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL RISKS OF DISCRIMINATION UNDER SECTION TWO. SO IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE DOING REDISTRICTING. AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THE SHAW VERSUS RENO LINE, BASICALLY SAYS OTHER THAN TO ENSURE THAT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IS SATISFIED AND THAT THERE'S NOT A DISCRIMINATORY EFFECT, RACE IS NOT THE PREDOMINANT FACTOR FOR, FOR REDISTRICTING. SO IT'S OKAY TO BE AWARE OF RACE AND TO CONSIDER RACE TO SATISFY THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. BUT IT'S NOT WE DON'T DRAW BASED ON RACIAL QUOTAS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALSO, THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE WAYS THAT, AND I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF IT HERE, BUT A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU SEE, OR IF YOU HEAR OF, OF A RACIAL GERRYMANDER, WHERE YOU SEE DISTRICTS THAT ARE DRAWN AND VERY IRREGULAR SHAPES, WHERE THEY'RE DRAWN OUT LONG. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK FOR IS YOU KNOW, BIZARRELY SHAPED DISTRICTS, ALTHOUGH NOT, YOU KNOW, A VIOLATION OF LAW PER SE CAN BE, A WARNING SIGN, OKAY.THIS WAS THE 2020 CENSUS DATA, AND THIS IS THE, WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH AFTER THE REDISTRICTING.
YOU'LL REMEMBER I TOLD YOU WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS FOR REDISTRICTING BACK IN 2022, WHAT WE HAD WAS AN OVERALL DEVIATION OF 45, THE COUNCIL WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF SESSIONS, ACTUALLY CONSIDERED SEVERAL PLANS, WE'RE VERY ACTIVE AND VERY THOROUGH AND REALLY CONSIDERING THE ISSUES AND ULTIMATELY ADOPTED THE PLAN. YOU HAVE NOW GOT THE OVERALL DEVIATION DOWN TO 6.13, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT FOUR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT OR EXCUSE ME, FOUR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AN IDEAL SIZE BASICALLY, IF YOU COULD SPLIT EACH OF THE DISTRICTS INTO EQUAL POPULATION OF ROUGHLY 49,000 PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ADD ADDITIONAL SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, THAT GIVES YOU INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE SMALLER POPULATION. AND THAT COULD BE EASIER TO RUN IN. BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. THE CURRENT VOTING AGE POPULATION OR SORT OF THE, THE, BREAKDOWN OF THE DISTRICTS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST, DISTRICT ONE IS CURRENTLY A COMBINED MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICT AND THE OTHER THREE ARE ANGLO MAJORITY DISTRICTS CURRENTLY. SO IN LOOKING AT SORT OF SOME OF THE OPTIONS, AND I WROTE SIX, SIX SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS HERE, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. THAT'S NOT THE ONLY POTENTIAL CONFIGURATION AS I MENTIONED, YOU COULD DO SIX SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. YOU COULD DO, AND YOU COULD DO SIX SINGLE MEMBER AND TWO AT LARGE. IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SEATS ON THE COUNCIL, YOU COULD DO FIVE AND THREE AT LARGE. AND THE MAYOR. SO THERE THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS THAT YOU COULD DO. SO THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO SUGGEST ANY KIND OF LIMITATION IN THAT REGARD. IT'S JUST KIND OF AN EXAMPLE. AND THESE ARE SORT OF SOME CONSIDERATION ONES, THAT COME WITH EACH OF THE VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, MAKES IT MORE LIKELY THAT ISSUES UNIQUE TO A SPECIFIC AREA WILL HAVE A VOICE ON THE COUNCIL OR MAY, AGAIN, IT SORT OF GIVES YOU A MORE CENTRALIZED INDIVIDUALS RUNNING FROM SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC DISTRICTS THAT MAY HAVE, MORE FAMILIARITY INPUT WITH THE ISSUES IN THAT SPECIFIC DISTRICT. IT IS EASIER TO CAMPAIGN IN A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT THAN IT IS AT LARGE. IT TENDS TO BE LESS EXPENSIVE, AND YOU HAVE TO COVER, OBVIOUSLY, A SMALLER GEOGRAPHIC AREA. SO IT
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MAKES IT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO RUN, IT IS IT'S EASIER TO BE ELECTED IN A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT JUST BECAUSE IT TAKES A FEWER NUMBER OF VOTES. YOU HAVE A SMALLER NUMBER OF OVERALL POPULATION, SMALLER NUMBER OF VOTERS, AND SO IN ORDER TO WIN AN ELECTION, IT TAKES FEWER VOTES, THERE IS A POTENTIALLY AND I SAY POTENTIALLY REDUCED LITIGATION RISK UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, LAWYERS WILL TELL YOU THAT SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, ARE USUALLY VIEWED AS LESS OF A LITIGATION RISK. BUT THERE'S A BIG CAVEAT TO THAT, WHICH IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DRAW THEM, SO AS A GENERAL MATTER, I THINK, SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT LESS VOTE, LITIGATION RISK UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, BUT AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DRAW THEM. AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE YOU'RE NOT DRAWING THEM A WAY THAT CRACKS OR PACKS POPULATION IN THE WAY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE OTHER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, YOU OFTEN HEAR FOLKS SAYING THAT IN THAT INSTANCE, YOU ONLY HAVE IF YOU'RE ALL SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, YOU ONLY HAVE INPUT INTO THE ELECTION OF ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE MEMBER AND SOME AT LARGE SEATS, OBVIOUSLY YOU GET TO VOTE FOR AND HAVE A SAY ON MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. OBVIOUSLY, EACH OF YOU GETS TO VOTE ON THE COUNCIL MEMBER FROM YOUR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, AND THEN YOU GET TWO AT LARGE VOTES AS WELL AS WELL AS THE MAYOR. SO IT IT GIVES YOU A BROADER SWATH OF CANDIDATES THAT WAY, SOMETIMES YOU'LL HEAR COMMENTS ABOUT CONCERNS OVER, DISTRICT CENTRIC REPRESENTATION.I'M FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN. WE HAVE TEN SINGLE MEMBER SEATS THERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL HEAR A LOT OF THE TIME IS PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ONLY CARES ABOUT THEIR DISTRICT, AND SO THEY'RE NOT CARING ABOUT THE ISSUES OF THE CITY AT LARGE. I THINK MOST OF THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY CARE ABOUT THE FOLKS IN ISSUES IN MY DISTRICT, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED AND ANYBODY IN THE CITY IS WELCOME TO CONTACT ME. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DO HEAR, AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE OTHER THING IS, AND THIS IS TRUE OF IF THE COUNCIL, OR IF YOU GUYS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTS FOR MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE COMPOSITION, YOU KNOW, THAT REQUIRES A REDRAWING PROCESS AND IT'S GOING TO INTRODUCE SOME, ADJUSTMENT PERIOD FOR FOLKS TO GET USED TO A NEW SYSTEM. ANY TIME YOU HAVE VOTERS WHO'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER AN EXISTING SYSTEM FOR SOME TIME, YOU KNOW, CHANGE CAN BE HARD. BUT THERE ARE ALSO OBVIOUSLY OFTEN BENEFITS WITH IT , IN TERMS OF AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONVERT, SEATS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE TO ADD SEATS, AND OF COURSE, THE, THE MORE SEATS YOU ADD THE OR THE MORE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS YOU ADD ANYWAY, THE SMALLER THOSE NEED TO BE IN POPULATION AND SO, AGAIN, MAKES IT EASIER TO RUN, EASIER TO GET ELECTED. IT DOES ADD COSTS JUST FROM AN ELECTORAL STANDPOINT FOR THE CITY, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO HOLD ELECTIONS FOR NINE CANDIDATES THAN IT IS FOR SIX, BUT, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION. IN TERMS OF THE, THE PROCESS, OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL WILL BE MAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN IF IN FACT, AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE COMPOSITION OF THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL PASSES, THEN THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS WOULD NEED TO START, THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AN INITIAL REVIEW, BASICALLY, OF TAKING, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NEW CONFIGURATION IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE POPULATION AND SEEING HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN, IDENTIFYING WHAT SIZE YOU WOULD NEED, HOW YOU WOULD NEED TO DRAW THOSE, THE COUNCIL WOULD ADOPT PLAN CRITERIA, GUIDELINES. THOSE ARE SORT OF LEGAL, STEPS AND GUIDELINES FOR GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE DID THAT IN THE 22, THE 2022 REDISTRICTING. AND THEN, TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING A REDISTRICTING, OUR GIS CONSULTANT WILL WORK WITH COUNCIL TO DEVELOP SOME ILLUSTRATIVE PLANS, BASICALLY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO IF YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU NEEDED TO GO, YOU KNOW, FROM FOR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS TO SIX, HOW WOULD YOU DRAW THAT? WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THE OTHER TWO? HOW WOULD YOU RECONFIGURE THE EXISTING FOUR TO GET TO THAT , OUR GIS PERSON IS VERY GOOD AT KIND OF PUTTING TOGETHER SOME SAMPLES OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO REDRAW ANY DISTRICTS, THAT OCCUR, THE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE FOLLOWING OUR LAST REDISTRICTING AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, REDISTRICTING IS ALWAYS A PUBLIC PROCESS, THERE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS ALONG THE WAY.
WE WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOME GOOD INPUT, FROM THE COMMUNITY. LAST TIME WE HELD A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE FOLKS CAME IN AND GAVE THEIR INPUT ON THE VARIOUS MAPS. WE PUT ALL THE MAPS UP ON THE WALL OVER HERE, GAVE FOLKS AN OPPORTUNITY. OF COURSE, ALL OF THAT GETS POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. REALLY, A BIG EFFORT FROM THE CITY TO PUSH ANY POTENTIAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR WHAT NEW MAPS WOULD LOOK LIKE TO THE POPULACE SO THAT THEY CAN COME IN AND GIVE DIRECT
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FEEDBACK, AND ALSO, I THINK ABLE TO GIVE FEEDBACK THROUGH THE WEBSITE TO, THE COUNCIL THEN ANALYZES THOSE COMMENTS AND ADOPTS A FINAL PLAN, THAT GETS IMPLEMENTED BOTH BY UPDATING THE COUNTY VOTING REGISTRAR AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT, PART OF THE, THE PROCESS FOR, FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD ALSO BE BASICALLY SPECIFYING HOW THE TRANSITION GETS MADE.OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE GOING FROM AN EXISTING SYSTEM WHERE YOU HAVE FOR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, YOU HAVE TO TRANSITION YOUR EXISTING COUNCIL MEMBERS INTO THOSE SEATS, WE DID THIS FOR THE CITY OF MESQUITE, BACK IN 2018. ACTUALLY, THEY WENT FROM A VERY SIMILAR SYSTEM TO WHAT MCKINNEY HAS NOW. THEY HAD FOUR AT LARGE DISTRICTS WITH A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS KIND OF A BLENDED, DISTRICT, AND THEN TWO AT LARGE, COMPLETELY AT LARGE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE MAYOR, THEY WENT TO A SIX SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, AND THEY BASICALLY SPREAD OUT THE TRANSITION REGION OVER TWO ELECTORAL TERMS. AND IN ORDER TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THE CONVERSION WENT THROUGH, THEY THEY SHORTENED A COUPLE OF THE TERMS AND LENGTHENED THE OTHERS. AND THAT GOT EVERYBODY TO SQUARE ONE. AND THEN IT STARTED BACK OVER AGAIN AT THE NORMAL TERMS, SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF CHESS TO BE PLAYED IN TERMS OF PUTTING THE PUZZLES TOGETHER CORRECTLY IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION. BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING, THAT IS EASY TO DO OR CAN BE DONE. ARE THERE, ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW I'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION VERY QUICKLY, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS OR OTHER OPTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE FOR YOU. YES, MA'AM. IS THERE ANY DATA OUT THERE IN TERMS OF SORRY ABOUT THAT. IS THERE ANY DATA OUT THERE OR MAYBE ANECDOTALLY JUST YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO A RANGE IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICE ON THE SIZE OF A DISTRICT, IN TERMS OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE REPRESENTATIVE TO A CERTAIN POPULATION, A CERTAIN QUOTA. IT, IN TERMS OF TOTAL POPULATION OR VOTING POPULATION, WHATEVER YOU WANT. WELL, SO IT REALLY IS VERY , LOCALLY DETERMINED. IT DETERMINES ON WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR POPULATION IS, WHERE OR HOW THE POLITICAL, HOW POLITICALLY ACTIVE THEY ARE. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS AN IDEAL SIZE FOR THAT. AGAIN, WHAT YOU CAN LOOK AT IS WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT UNDER THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IS MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE ACCOUNTING FOR ANY GEOGRAPHICALLY COMPACT MINORITY POPULATIONS, IF YOU'RE DRAWING SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. BUT IN TERMS OF AN OVERALL NUMBER OR PERCENTAGE, I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PARTICULAR LOCALITY. ONE LAST QUESTION. BASED UPON THAT LAST PARAMETER, TAKING A LOOK AT THE VOTING RIGHTS ISSUES YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, MCKINNEY'S, DEMOGRAPHICS AND OUR MAP. SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT WE'RE RIPE FOR A DISCUSSION OF DISTRICTS, OR WOULD YOU SAY WE'RE NOT THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE NEUTRAL ON IT? I AM NEUTRAL ON THAT, WHAT WE SAW JUST FROM A DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN, YOU HAVE MINORITY POPULATION THAT IS FAIRLY WELL CENTERED IN DISTRICTS ONE AND TWO CURRENTLY, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT WHEN WE WERE DRAWING THE CURRENT DISTRICTS, WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE COVERING THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, AND WE FELT WE DID THAT. WELL, SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M NEUTRAL IN TERMS OF WHETHER YOU'RE RIPE FOR IT OR NOT. IT'S JUST A POLITICAL QUESTION OF WHETHER THAT BEST SERVES THE CITY. THANK YOU. IS GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I HAVE A QUESTION.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MINORITY DISTRICTS, DISTRICT ONE AND THE SOUTH ONE, TWO. IF MCKINNEY AND I KNOW MCKINNEY IS GROWING AND IT'S GROWING NORTH OF 380. YES, SIR. OKAY. AND SO YOU TALK ABOUT PACKING OR OR CRACKING THE DISTRICT, GIVING THAT THE HISTORY OF MCKINNEY IN MINORITIES ARE IN CERTAIN AREAS. HOW DO YOU IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH, SIX, SINGLE DISTRICTS AND MAYBE ADD TO HOW CAN I SAY THIS, ADD TWO SINGLE DISTRICTS AND KEEP IT, TWO AT LARGE, MAYOR.
AND THEN SIX. HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT IF THE MINORITY IS IN ONE AREA AND YOU DON'T, I'M TRYING TO DANCE AROUND THIS QUESTION HERE, HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT KEEPING IT FROM BEING PACKING? SO THE WAY YOUR POPULATION IS DISTRIBUTED RIGHT NOW, AND IF WE LOOK BACK. HERE
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TO GET THE MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICT THAT WE HAD, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO COMBINE POPULATION. AND SO IF YOU WERE TO ADD SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS THAT REQUIRED SMALLER POPULATION, I THINK THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET STRONGER. MINORITY REPRESENTATION IN A COUPLE OF THE DISTRICTS WITHOUT PACKING. RIGHT, BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE INCREASING, DOESN'T ULTIMATELY MEAN YOU'RE PACKING. SOMETIMES THAT ACTUALLY JUST HELPS TO BUILD THE STRENGTH OF THE DISTRICT. IT'S A QUESTION OF IF YOU'RE KIND OF OVER BUILDING IT IN ORDER TO DILUTE SOMEWHERE ELSE IS WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT ISSUES OF CRACKING OR PACKING . AND IN FACT, IF YOU HAVE SMALLER DISTRICTS AND YOU CAN DRAW THEM STRONGER, THEN THAT'S USUALLY OKAY, WOULD YOU MIND GOING BACK TO THE SLIDE ON THE CONSIDERATIONS OF CHANGING THE COMPOSITION? YES, SIR. YEAH. OKAY. SO AS I LOOK AT THIS, I THINK I SEE MORE PROS THAN I SEE CONS. I THINK THAT'S UP TO EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY. WELL THAT'S ONE PERSON'S OPINION. BUT OKAY.EASIER TO CAMPAIGN. GETS MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED. IT'S EASIER TO GET ELECTED IN A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REDUCE LITIGATION RISK THERE. TO ME, THERE ARE MORE PROS ON THIS SLIDE THAN THERE ARE CONS. OKAY. I GOT TWO CONS. OKAY. I'D LOVE TO HEAR THEM. OKAY I LIKE THE AT LARGE BECAUSE LIKE HE SAID, I HAVE I CAN ELECT A MAYOR. I CAN ELECT MY DISTRICT THREE REP. AND I HAVE AN AT LARGE. I HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MY AT LARGE GUY. SO I LIKE THE AT LARGE. I THINK IT ADDS A WHOLE NEW ELEMENT. IT'S PART OF OUR UNIQUE BY NATURE, THE WAY WE'RE SET UP. AND THEN THE OTHER, THING IS WE WOULD HAVE TO REDISTRICT. WE JUST REDISTRICTED TWO YEARS AGO. I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE A COMPELLING REASON THAT WE NEED TO REDISTRICT AT ALL RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE CENSUS IN 2030 AND THEN DISCUSS. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON AT ALL. I JUST DON'T SEE WHY. WHY WE NEED TO CONSIDER THIS RIGHT NOW. IS THERE IS THERE ANY DATA WHATSOEVER? I'M SURE WE HAVE SOME IDEA OF HOW MUCH OUR CITY HAS GROWN OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, SINCE THE CENSUS, OR THE PERSON, YOU KNOW, THE PERCENTAGE OF GROWTH THAT WE'RE EXPECTING OVER OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THOSE NUMBERS SAID OUR POPULATION WAS 140,000. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE.
YEAH. OH, SORRY. YEAH. 195,000. WHERE WHERE DO WE SEE THE PROJECTED GROWTH, GROWTH TO BE OUR JANUARY ESTIMATE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OFFICE WAS RIGHT AT 215,000. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN WE AFFORD NOT TO. CAN WE AFFORD TO WAIT TO NOT, IF MCKINNEY IS GROWING, MCKINNEY IS GROWING LEAPS AND BOUNDS. CAN WE AFFORD NOT TO REDISTRICT? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CENSUS, BUT THAT'S SIX YEARS AWAY. FIVE YEARS AWAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF WE HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG, HOW BIG WILL MCKINNEY BE? AND HOW EFFICIENT WILL WE BE BY THEN? OKAY, SO I DID A LITTLE A LITTLE BIT OF JUST CALCULATING ON MY OWN, JUST A FLAT AVERAGE. SO UNDER SEVEN MEMBERS TODAY, JUST A FLAT AVERAGE. I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT OUR BREAKOUTS HERE. IF THE SWEET SPOT, THE IDEAL IS 48,000, IF YOU JUST DO A FLAT AVERAGE TODAY FOR THE 214,000 PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE, IT'S 53,000 REPRESENTED. IF WE MOVE TO NINE, IT'S GOING TO BE 35. BUT WHEN WE MAX OUT DURING THE 2040 PLAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT 400,000 PLUS THE NINE MEMBERS WOULD REPRESENT 70 EACH, 70,000 EACH. OKAY. SO IF WE'RE IF WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD TO PLAN AHEAD AND THOUGHTFUL PLANNING TO PREPARE FOR THAT, I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A PLUS TO MAKE A DECISION CLOSER TO TODAY I LOOKED AT OUR POPULATION COMPARED TO FRISCO. FRISCO HAS THEY HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF SEATS AND THEY'RE THE SAME SIZE AS US. KATY. WE WERE ABOUT THE SAME ON ALL THOSE SLIDES THAT WERE SENT OUT. I MEAN, IT IS, IS WE JUST REDREW TWO YEARS AGO. IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME TO REALLY DO THIS? AND I ADD SOMETHING JUST FROM JUST FROM A SCHOOL BOARD PERSPECTIVE AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT, FIRST OF ALL, I DEFINITELY BELIEVE WE NEED TO HAVE AT LARGE REPRESENTATION. TO YOUR POINT. I MEAN, YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU CAN REACH OUT TO, I THINK TWO IS A GOOD NUMBER. THIS IS NOT MY OPINION, I TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN WAIT. I BELIEVE THAT, BY THE TIME THIS ROLLS BACK AROUND,
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WE'RE GOING EXPONENTIALLY. AND BY THE TIME WE GET BACK TO THIS POINT TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE CHARTER, WE'RE GOING TO BE AT A POINT WHERE THAT NUMBER IS SO GREAT, YOU'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO EVEN GET THE EAR OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IF YOU ADD A COUPLE MORE. I DO BELIEVE YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THEN A BETTER CHANCE OF REACHING OUT. AND TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVE OF ONE OF THAT POINT THREE, AND, AND GETTING A HOLD OF THEM AND, AND BEING HEARD RIGHT NOW, IT'S HARD THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. AND I CAN ONLY SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AS WE GET LARGER. SO I SEE IT. I'VE SEEN THAT FIRSTHAND, WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, AS MCKINNEY HAS GROWN, WE ARE SET UP JUST LIKE JUST LIKE THE CITY IS RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S EXTREMELY HARD FOR THOSE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE SINGLE MEMBER, REPRESENTATIVES TO, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE REPRESENTING. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD EXPAND, BUT THEY SHOULD PROBABLY THINK ABOUT IT. THAT'S THEIR DECISION NOW, NOT MINE. BUT THAT'S MY $0.02 WORTH FOR THE CITY. I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. AS THE POPULATION GROWS AND THAT 10% DIFFERENTIAL BECAUSE WE'RE USING OLD CENSUS DATA, EVEN THOUGH OUR GROWTH HAS HAPPENED, AND THERE'S A CHANCE THAT WE KNOW THAT ONE POPULATION IS THE DISTRICTS CURRENTLY ARE IS BY DOING THAT, ARE WE AT ANY DANGER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING BECAUSE WE'RE USING 2020 CENSUS DATA? WE ARE NOT. AND IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT THE COURT BASICALLY SAYS. THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES GROUP CAN, CAN ESTIMATE INCREASES. AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE HAVE LOOKED AT NEW UTILITY CONNECTIONS AS A WAY OF TRYING TO MEASURE SOME OF THOSE INCREASES OR ESTIMATE IT FOR REDISTRICTING, EXCUSE ME, MID-CYCLE REDISTRICTING. BUT WHAT THE COURTS HAVE SAID IS BASICALLY USE OF THE CENSUS DATA IS SORT OF THE SAFE HARBOR. RIGHT. AND SO ACTUALLY, IF WE DEPART FROM USING THE CENSUS DATA, THEN WE COULD BE CALLED UPON TO BASICALLY JUSTIFY WHY THAT WAS A GOOD WHY, WHY IT WAS WHY THE OTHER DATA THAT WE'RE USING IS BETTER THAN THE CENSUS DATA, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAVE GOOD DATA. SO BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, YOU'RE NOT AT RISK FOR USING THE CENSUS DATA. AND ACTUALLY IF YOU DEPART FROM IT, THEN YOU KIND OF HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE DATA THAT YOU DID USE. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS? WE'VE GOT MORE PRESENTATION AND MORE DATA TO DIGEST TONIGHT. GREAT QUESTIONS AND WE WILL COME BACK AND REVISIT THIS, EITHER TONIGHT OR HOPEFULLY TONIGHT. MR. HAUSER PRESENTS HIS SLIDES. YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. DO YOU WANT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. LET'S SAY IT GOES TO VOTE AND IT PASSES FROM THE START TO THE FINISH OF THE LAST ONE. HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE OF THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS? I THINK ABOUT A YEAR. YEAH AND YOU KNOW, WE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WE STARTED PRETTY EARLY ON THE PROCESS. AND SO WE ACTUALLY KIND OF TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT JUST TO SORT OF LET THINGS UNFOLD SOME. SO IT COULD BE DONE MORE QUICKLY THAN THAT. BUT THE LAST TIME IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR. SO JUST TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, THIS GOES TO COUNCIL, THEN IT GOES TO ELECTION THEN. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS PERIOD. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. LET ME THROW OUT A COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS WHILE WE APPRECIATE YOUR EXAMPLE, IT IS JUST AN EXAMPLE. ABSOLUTELY. AND ONE WAY IT COULD BE DONE. KEEP IN MIND COMMITTEE THAT MAKING NO CHANGE IS ALSO AN OPTION. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO CHANGE ANYTHING.SO THIS IS A GREAT CONVERSATION. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING. I HEAR CONVERSATION OTHERWISE, BUT , JUST THROWING THAT OUT. GUNNER AGREE? YEAH. ARE YOUR SLIDES IN OUR DECK? I ASSUME SO, YES. IF THEY'RE NOT, WE CERTAINLY GET THEM FOR YOU. YEAH YOU'RE ON THE ONE SIDE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANKS ALL VERY MUCH. AND AS MARK SAID, I'LL BE RIGHT OVER HERE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, THE SLIDES FROM GUNNER THERE A SEPARATE ATTACHMENT ON THE WEBSITE UNDER TODAY'S DATE AND MEETING, WE'LL ALSO ADD THE VIDEO AND THE AGENDA FROM TODAY TO THAT SECTION OF THE LANDING PAGE AS WELL. THE COMPOSITION DATA THAT WE HAVE PREPPED IS, IS THAT RUNNING TOTAL OF CITIES OVER 100,000. THAT'S THE REGIONAL DOCUMENT. WE'VE DONE OUR OUR LEVEL BEST TO GO OUT TO ALL THOSE DIFFERENT CHARTERS, REPRESENT WITH THEIR COMPOSITIONS ARE JUST AS AN EXERCISE OF SEEING WHAT OTHER
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CITIES ACROSS THE STATE DO. GUNNER MADE A COMMENT THAT IT'S REALLY THE WILL OF THE LOCALITY ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE REPRESENTED AND IN WHAT MANNER, GIVEN THAT IT PASSES THE SNIFF TEST FROM THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT REPRESENTED ACROSS ABOUT 43 DIFFERENT CITIES. IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT YOU SEE FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE AS WE RUN THROUGH THESE, I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THEM FAIRLY QUICKLY BECAUSE THERE'S 43, AND YOU'LL GET THE FLAVOR OF WHY I SAY THAT HERE IN A SECOND. SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WILL TAKE A LONG TIME, BUT HAPPY FOR IT TO TAKE AS LONG AS YOU'D LIKE IT TO . AND THESE ARE IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER. AND THEY SHOULD CORRELATE WITH THE THREE PAGE, FOUR PAGE SPREADSHEET THAT HAS KIND OF THAT DATA DUMP THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL. SO AND I'LL JUST VERBATIM GO THROUGH THESE, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME DOWN IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION. CITY OF ABILENE MAYOR SIX AT LARGE MEMBERS CITY OF ALLEN. MAYOR SIX AT LARGE MEMBERS. CITY OF AMARILLO. MAYOR AND FOUR AT LARGE MEMBERS. CITY OF ARLINGTON. MAYOR THREE AT LARGE FIVE DISTRICT. GUNNER MENTIONED THE CITY OF AUSTIN, A MAYOR AND TEN DISTRICT MEMBERS. BEAUMONT MAYOR TWO AT LARGE AND FOUR WHAT THEY CALL WARDS, BUT THOSE FUNCTION AS DISTRICTS. BROWN'S VILLE HAS A MAYOR, THREE AT LARGE, AND FOUR DISTRICTS.ANY TIME THAT YOU SEE AN EVEN NUMBER, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE MAYOR IS CASTING A VOTE IN THE INSTANCE OF A TIE. CARROLLTON, A MAYOR AND SEVEN AT LARGE DISTRICTS CARRY NORTH CAROLINA.
REMEMBER, THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE OTHER METROS ACROSS THE NATION THAT IS SIMILAR TO MCKINNEY AS A MAYOR. TWO AT LARGE, FOUR DISTRICT COLLEGE STATION, A MAYOR, AND SIX AT LARGE CORPUS CHRISTI, A MAYOR, THREE AT LARGE FIVE DISTRICTS. OUR FRIENDS DOWN SOUTH IN DALLAS HAVE A MAYOR AND 14 DISTRICT MEMBERS. THE CITY OF DENTON, A MAYOR, TWO AT LARGE, AND FOUR DISTRICTS. EDINBURG, A MAYOR AND FOUR AT LARGE. EL PASO A MAYOR AND EIGHT DISTRICTS. FORT WORTH, A MAYOR AND TEN DISTRICTS. A FRISCO HAS A MAYOR AND SIX AT LARGE GARLAND, A MAYOR AND EIGHT DISTRICTS GEORGETOWN TOWN A MAYOR AND SEVEN DISTRICTS GILBERT, ARIZONA. ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE REGIONAL OR NATIONWIDE THAT'S SIMILAR TO MCKINNEY, A MAYOR AND SIX AT LARGE GRAHAM PRAIRIE, A MAYOR, TWO AT LARGE, AND SIX DISTRICT MEMBERS. THE CITY OF IRVINE, CALIFORNIA, A MAYOR AND SIX SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. CITY OF IRVING, A MAYOR, TWO AT LARGE, AND SIX DISTRICTS. THE CITY OF KILLEEN, A MAYOR, THREE AT LARGE, AND FOUR DISTRICTS. LAREDO TEXAS, A MAYOR AND EIGHT DISTRICTS. LEAGUE CITY, A MAYOR AND SEVEN AT LARGE. LEWISVILLE A MAYOR AND SIX AT LARGE. LUBBOCK, A MAYOR. AND I HAVE A LITTLE ANNOTATION NOTE, SO I'M SORRY. I'M. TURN AROUND, SIX DISTRICTS.
MCALLEN, A MAYOR AND SIX DISTRICTS. CITY OF MCKINNEY. WHEREVER THAT IS, A MAYOR, TWO AT LARGE AND FOUR DISTRICTS. MESQUITE AND I HAVE TO MAKE A DESTABILIZING COMMENT, BUT JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T HELP MYSELF, AND BECAUSE MY BUDDY MARK HOLLOWAY, WHO'S THE CFO, USED TO WORK AT MESQUITE, THEIR TAGLINE IS REAL TEXAS FLAVOR. THAT'S JUST IT'S HILARIOUS TO ME, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST FUNNY. AND MIDLANDS IS KIND OF FUNNY TO BE THE ENERGY. ANYWAY, SO MESQUITE HAS A MAYOR AND SIX DISTRICTS. MIDLAND HAS A MAYOR, TWO AT LARGE, FOUR DISTRICTS. MURPHY BOROUGH, TENNESSEE IS THE LAST NATIONWIDE EXAMPLE. A MAYOR AND SIX AT LARGE NEW BRAUNFELS, A MAYOR.
SIX DISTRICTS. ODESSA, A MAYOR, ONE AT LARGE, AND FIVE DISTRICTS PER AND A MAYOR AND SEVEN DISTRICTS PLANO AND RICHARDSON ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THEY HAVE A MAYOR, THREE AT LARGE, AND WHAT SHOWS IS FOUR DISTRICTS? THOSE DISTRICTS, THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN THEIR DISTRICT, BUT THEY ARE ELECTED AT LARGE. SO IT'S A BIT OF A HYBRID. A MAYOR AND RICHARDSON, A MAYOR,
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TWO AT LARGE AND FOUR DISTRICTS. SO SAME EXCEPT FOR AN ADDITIONAL AT LARGE AS PLANO. THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT, BUT THEY ARE ELECTED AT LARGE. ROUND ROCK HAS A MAYOR AND SIX AT LARGE.THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, A MAYOR AND TEN DISTRICTS SUGAR LAND HAS A MAYOR, TWO AT LARGE, AND FOUR DISTRICTS. THE CITY OF TYLER, A MAYOR, AND SIX DISTRICTS. CITY OF WACO. THE MAYOR, AND FIVE DISTRICTS, AND THEN FINALLY THE CITY OF WICHITA FALLS, A MAYOR, ONE AT LARGE, AND THEN, FIVE, FIVE DISTRICTS. I GOT A LITTLE NOTE AGAIN ON THIS ONE, THE ITEM THAT I DID NOT MENTION. I'M SORRY. I BELIEVE IT'S AMARILLO. IT MIGHT BE MIDLAND, AND MAYBE GUNNER KNOWS OFFHAND, BUT THEY HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE STRANGE DISTRICT AT LARGE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS. THEY REQUIRE TWO TO LIVE ABOVE A NORTH SOUTH LINE, AND THEY REQUIRE TWO TO LIVE BELOW A NORTH SOUTH LINE. BUT WITH WITHOUT RESPECT TO THAT, THEY'RE STILL ELECTED AT LARGE. THAT'S ANOTHER LITTLE ODDITY I FOUND IN THE RESEARCH, BUT THAT'S A REAL QUICK AND FAST EXAMPLE OF MORE.
SO TO UNDERSCORE THAT, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE LOCALITY OF HOW THEY LIKE TO BE GOVERNED, HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE GOVERNED, GOVERNED IN CONTEXT AND UNDERNEATH THE PARAMETERS OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AS YOU CAN SEE, CITIES SMALLER THAN US, BUT STILL FAIRLY LARGE CITIES LARGER THAN US. THEY'RE SOMEWHAT OF A MIXED BAG ON HOW THAT REPRESENTATION OCCURS AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL ACROSS DISTRICTS AT LARGE. AND THEN MAYOR, THEY ALL LOOK HAPPY. YES I QUESTION THERE WAS ONE SAD FACE. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. I DIDN'T PUT A SAD FACE. I QUESTION THESE ARE ALL OVER 100,000. YES, MA'AM. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHICH ONES ARE OVER 200,000, THEIR THEIR POPULATION IS LISTED ON THE SPREADSHEET. I CAN ENDEAVOR TO ADD THAT TO EACH ONE OF THESE SLIDES BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION UPDATED, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE SPREADSHEET IN FRONT OF ME, THERE IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE LANDING PAGE. I LOOKED UP THOSE POPULATIONS. YEAH OH, GREAT. SO, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. YEAH. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE 200,000 POPULATION CITIES DO, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE WHAT WE'RE. IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A MINUTE, I CAN PULL IT UP OR. OKAY. AMARILLO HAS GOT 202. LET ME GO BACK TO THE FRONT IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME. OH, THERE WE GO. SO, AMARILLO, YOU SAID 202. FRISCO 225. I'M JUST. THESE ARE JUST ROUND FIGURES, GARLAND 243 GRAND PRAIRIE 202. IRVING 254. LAREDO 257. LUBBOCK 266.
MCKINNEY I HAVE 213. PLANO 290. AND THAT'S IT. THAT'S PLANO, OBVIOUSLY. SAN ANTONIO, DALLAS.
THE LARGE CITIES ARE. YEAH. THOSE ARE YEAH, YEAH I JUST DID THE TWO HUNDREDS, AND I WILL SAY I KNOW IRVINE IS OVER 200,000. IRVINE, CALIFORNIA. GILBERT, ARIZONA IS OVER 200,000. CARY, NORTH CAROLINA IS NOT OVER 200,000. BUT THEY'RE RIGHT ON THAT EDGE. AND THEN I'M NOT SURE ABOUT MURFREESBORO, TENNESSEE. I THINK THEY MIGHT BE IN THE 150 RANGE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT I KIND OF AGREE WITH WHAT RICK SAID. I, I LIKE HAVING THE AT LARGE. ION'T I THINK AT THE RATE THAT WE ARE GROWING, BECAUSE I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE CITIES AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GROWING AT THAT FAST RATE, THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT, IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT REDOING THIS IN TEN YEARS, IT MAKES ME WONDER, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN TEN YEARS? AND CAN WE POSTPONE IT? I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT, SOMETHING IT WAS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS OFF TOPIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WITH THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE, AND GIVEN THE POPULATION THAT THEY EACH SERVE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS, I MEAN, IT'S UP FOR DEBATE. ARE THEY REALLY SERVING, YOU KNOW, ONE DISTRICT AS WELL AS THEY COULD BE, OR ARE THEY ESSENTIALLY SERVING AS AT LARGE MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE TITLE, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, ARE WE PUTTING TOO MUCH ON THE PLATES OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EXPECTING THEM TO SERVE A SPECIFIC AREA WITH SPECIFIC NEEDS, WITHOUT CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, IS THAT AN OVERLOAD? IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND EXPANDING THE COUNCIL BY TWO MORE DISTRICT
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SEATS, THAT WOULD MORE DILUTE THE POPULATION. GIVE THE REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS GREATER ACCESS TO THEIR PEOPLE, LESS GROUND TO COVER IT COULD POSSIBLY BE MORE RESPONSIVE. AND GIVEN THE TIME FRAME THAT'S REQUIRED TO DO THAT, COULD WE RECOMMEND EXPANDING THE COUNCIL BY TWO MORE DISTRICT SEATS AT A POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE, AND GET THAT WORK DONE IN ANTICIPATION OF THE POPULATION GROWTH, AND PUT A PLAN OUT THERE FOR FOUR YEARS OUT OR SIX YEARS OUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DO WE HAVE TO MAKE THE CHANGES IMMEDIATELY? NO, NO, YOU CAN YOU CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. OKAY. YOU'RE SPEAKING OF NINE MEMBERS, RIGHT? YEAH. JUST JUST GET READY FOR THE GROWTH AND GET AHEAD OF IT. RATHER THAN BE REACTIONARY, WE CAN REALLY PLAN AHEAD AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO NEED SIX DISTRICTS. LET'S GET STARTED WORKING ON THAT MAPPING. PUT A DATE OUT OF THE FUTURE OUT THERE OR EVEN TRIGGER IT BY POPULATION GROWTH OR SOMETHING. BUT GET AHEAD, BE CONTINGENT ON ON. WHENEVER WE REACH A PARTICULAR POPULATION. YEAH, YEAH. THEN GO INTO EFFECT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK AND REVOTE. YEAH YEAH YEAH.THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. SO UNDER THAT SCENARIO, DO YOU I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.
DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC IN, IN A CHARTER WITH THE CHARTER LANGUAGE THAT KIND OF STIPULATES OR DO YOU NOT EVEN HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THE CHARTER? BUT JUST SO YOU, YOU CAN ACTUALLY PROPOSE A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT SPECIFIES A DATE, IN THE FUTURE? IT IS MUCH EASIER, I THINK, TO USE TO GO BY DATE THAN IT IS BY POPULATION TRIGGER. I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT CHALLENGING, BUT IN TERMS OF IF YOU WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DRAW OR WE'RE GOING TO REDISTRICT, YOU KNOW, CONVERT AS OF X DATE IN THE FUTURE, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, YOU CAN TIE IT TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE NEXT CENSUS DATA SO THAT YOU'RE NOT SO THAT YOU HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT DATA AT THAT POINT, OR YOU CAN DO IT BEFORE THEN, BUT YOU CAN SET IT FOR A TIME THAT YOU ALL FEEL APPROPRIATE. IF WE WERE TO USE THE CENSUS DATA TRIGGER THAT DELAYS IT FURTHER, THOUGH, IT DOES BECAUSE IT'S A 2030 CENSUS, IT WOULD TAKE PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THAT INFORMATION. NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT 20, 20, 31, EVEN 32 BEFORE YOU'RE READY TO ACT ON IT. AND THAT MIGHT BE TOO LATE. BUT IF WE SAID, HOW'D YOU PUT IT OUT THERE FOR, SAY, CONVERSATION 2026, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO SIX COUNCIL DISTRICT SEATS OR 28. YEAH, YEAH. YOU CAN GET SOME CREDIBLE DATA ON HOW THAT GOES. RIGHT. MAY OF 27. AND I THINK IF I I'M NEVER GOING TO BE A COUNCIL PERSON. BUT I THINK IF I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE 35,000 PEOPLE VERSUS 70,000 PEOPLE, I THINK I COULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN MY JOB. YEAH. WELL, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT MR. GRIMES WAS MENTIONING TO ME IS YOU CAN ALSO TIE IT TO UPCOMING ELECTIONS. SO IF YOU SAID JANUARY 1ST OF 27, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ELECTION IN 27, YOU COULD TRY TO TIE IT TO THAT. AND THEN DO THE CONVERSION BASED ON THAT ELECTION AND MAYBE THE SUBSEQUENT ONE. SO THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU IN TERMS OF TIMING. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I ALSO WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING, I THINK THE AT LARGE CANDIDATES ARE. I AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID THERE. I THINK THAT'S A I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD RECIPE TO HAVE A DISTRICT WIDE VIEW AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, A FEW SEATS. AND OF COURSE YOU'VE GOT THE MAYOR AND, AND TWO AT LARGE. I DEFINITELY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF FULL SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. RIGHT, BUT EXPANDING THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, THERE'S I SEE THERE MIGHT BE MERIT IN THAT. I AGREE. AND THEN THE COMMITTEE HAS THE RANGE OF RECOMMENDATIONS. IT CAN BE JUST ON THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE TIMING OR IT CAN HAVE BOTH. I MEAN, IT'S WHATEVER THIS, THIS GROUP WANTS TO DO. I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. YES, SIR. SO IF WE GO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHERE WE IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE YOU START TRYING TO RE DRAW LIKE YOU DID BEFORE, THE DIFFERENT MAPS THAT YOU HAD UP HERE BEFORE, WHERE YOU BROUGHT THE CITIZENS IN AND SAID, HEY, HERE'S PLAN, A PLAN B, PLAN C, JUST THIS ALL THE DIFFERENT. WHEN WOULD THAT START. WELL SO AGAIN AFTER AFTER THE ELECTION TO SEE IF WHATEVER IS RECOMMENDED OR GOES ON THE BALLOT PASSES AND THEN BASED ON THAT, DEPENDING ON WHEN EITHER YOU ALL RECOMMEND OR THE COUNCIL , DECIDES ON A OR AN IMPLEMENTATION TIME FRAME, THEN WE WOULD BUILD BACK SORT OF THAT YEAR THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. AND IS SORRY, IS THAT ALSO, GOING TO CONSIDER LIKE IF IT'S USING THE, THE CENSUS DATA, WOULD IT ALSO CONSIDER PROJECTIONS, SAY LIKE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW, CRAZY HAPPENED. AND, ALL OF A SUDDEN DISTRICT ONE IS LIKE HUGELY POPULATED,
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WOULD THAT I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS BE CONSIDERED, SO I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF CONSIDER HOW IT WANTED TO APPROACH THAT AT THE TIME. AGAIN, WE COULD USE SOME ESTIMATED DATA TO TRY TO INFORM THE REDISTRICTING WHEN IT HAPPENS, BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DATA BASED ON UTILITY CONNECTIONS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE. THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS WE CAN DRAW ON, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING CENSUS DATA AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO REDRAW AFTER THE CENSUS COMES OUT. EITHER WAY, WHEN WE DRAW DISTRICTS AND WE DID WE TRIED TO DO THIS THE LAST TIME. YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM IN TERMS OF LEAVING SOME DISTRICTS, LIKE IF YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE EXPECTING YOUR POPULATION, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THAT 10% OVERALL DEVIATION, YOU CAN BUILD OUT YOUR DISTRICTS TO LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR GROWTH, BUT TYPICALLY, IF YOU'RE EXPECTING BIG GROWTH, WHICH I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SEEING A LOT, THE LIKELIHOOD IS THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN YOU CAN ACCOUNT FOR IN THAT VARIATION. AND SO THE LIKELIHOOD WHAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY DO IF YOU WERE TRYING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE THE NEXT CENSUS, YOU DRAW BASED ON THE EXISTING CENSUS. AND THEN WHEN THE NEW CENSUS COMES OUT, YOU JUST ADJUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN LINE. AND IT COULD BE ONCE THE NEW CENSUS COMES OUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE GET THE DATA BACK AND YOU'RE THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REDRAW AGAIN, BUT YOU YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT IT EITHER WAY. WE GOTTA ALSO REMEMBER THAT SOME OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE MUD LIKE TRINITY FALLS. THEY DON'T VOTE FOR CITY COUNCIL. SO SOME OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS NORTH, THEY MIGHT ALL END UP BEING MUD. AND WE MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE TO DO THIS. SO WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW. WELL, IF THEY'RE SO IF THEY'RE IN THE CITY LIMITS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE VOTING FOR COUNCIL AS TRINITY FALLS IN THE CITY LIMITS. NO NO. BUT ISN'T EVERYTHING GOING NORTH THAT WAY? NO. OKAY, WELL THEN FORGET WHAT I SAID. YEAH. LET ME LET ME THROW SOMETHING OUT. IS IT. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THROWING IN. IT'S BEEN ONE AT A TIME. IF WE DO A SMALL GROUP FOR ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES TO GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO SAY SOMETHING AND THEN COME BACK AND WRAP UP WITH, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GO. I I. LET'S TRY THAT FOR ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES. TREVOR, IF YOU'LL DO A TIMER FOR US, LET'S BREAK UP INTO THE SAME GROUPS, PLEASE. THANK YOU. MAYBE COULD I AM YOU READY? ARE YOU READY FOR THIS? YOU AIN'T READY FOR THIS. ALL RIGHT, I'M READY.I'M READY. WE HAVE A HISTORY OF. KIND OF. START ON THAT. OH, SORRY. START HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A QUESTION HERE, SO, SO ABOUT THE. SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. I THINK. EVERYBODY.
UNINFORMED. LAYPERSON. THAT'S WHY I CAME TO MANAGE THIS. YEAH, I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE ON.
SO WHY ISN'T THIS WORKING? YEAH I WAS. I WAS GOING TO GO FASTER. OKAY. I HOPE IF NOT, WE'LL STOP IT. I.
100. BECAUSE OF THE. DON'T TELL ME. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I I'M NOT I WANT TO. BREAK. RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST. I'M OKAY WITH THIS. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE I THINK I THINK, I THINK. SMALLER OR SMALLER? PAROCHIAL POINT. YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT FIRST. AND I'M
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NOT SURE. HOW YOU LIKE. MY. YOU KNOW. I'M NOT SURE. I JUST DON'T . BUT BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, CAROLYN. OKAY COPS ARE REGISTERED. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, THAT'S WHAT. I THOUGHT. THAT'S WHY I. I'M LIKE. SO YOU DON'T KNOW BETTER AT THE TIME. SO WHAT ? THE CHARTER IS. IS ESSENTIALLY IN OTHER WORDS. YOU COULD VOTE. YOU JUST SAY. SO WE WORK WITHIN THE CHARTER. YOU KNOW, JUST.THIS POPULATION. SO WHAT DO YOU. MEAN YOU GOT A PROBLEM? HERE'S WHAT I GOT. WHICH IS LIKE. I CAN'T. BUT I AM, I AM. I UNDERSTAND. YOU SAID I CAN ALSO JUST. HERE'S WHAT I WONDER. ARE YOU REALLY JUST LIKE. OKAY, SO. AND I DON'T KNOW THE GEOGRAPHIC. HOW WOULD YOU. CERTAINLY. OKAY OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY PROJECT. SO WHAT'S THE ISSUE? I'M ASKING WHAT IT IS. YES. SO IS THERE A. UNDER THIS THIS LIKE UNDER YOUR. SO. THIS IS. ABOUT THIS TIME. IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THINGS. THE POPULATION. THAT YOU HAVE. MORE MARY. YEAH YEAH. WE KNOW WE KNOW THAT 60 RIGHT. SO YOU KNOW YOU KNOW THE DISTRICT. YEAH. SO YOU. BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE. A LOT OF.
THE REST OF THE. TOWN AROUND. I'M THINKING OF I. WAS KIDNAPED. OH MY GOSH. THIS
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YEAR, YOU KNOW SO. BUT YOU DEVELOPERS. YEAH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP. HERE AND SAY. OH YEAH. MAYBE YOU KNOW. YEAH I MEAN LAST YEAR. SO YEAH. I GUESS . YEAH. SO DISENFRANCHIZED.IS EXPENSIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S ONLY SO. YEAH. YEAH.
SO. SORRY. GO WAS RIGHT. YOU KNOW. I WAS MAGICAL ITEMS THAT WERE THAT. YEAH LET'S TAKE ABOUT ONE MORE MINUTE AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AS A GROUP. YEAH. YEAH . I.
KNOW. I. BEEN SECOND ON CALL. I HOPE THEY'RE SUGAR FREE. I MIGHT KNOW. BECAUSE MY.
FIRST. OF. ALL RIGHT, LET'S LET'S COME BACK TOGETHER. SO, AFTER OUR, SECOND BREAKOUT SESSION, ANY ANY CLOSING THOUGHTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? WE'LL HAVE TREVOR AND MAYBE MR. HAUSER TO CLOSE US OUT. JERILYN. I'M SHOCKED. WHAT DO YOU HAVE? I KNOW, MR. CHAIR, I'M SO SORRY, BUT OUR GROUPS MET INDIVIDUALLY. THIS GROUP, AND THEN WE MERGED. SO WE HAVE, LIKE, TELLING US WE THERE'S A THERE'S A BIG VOICE HERE THAT WE'RE REPORTING ON. SO, WE LIKE THE IDEA OF Y'ALL HIT ME IF I REPORT INCORRECTLY OF A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT IN TWO AT LARGE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE, LIKE MR. SAFIYA'S IDEA OF MAYBE SCRIPTING, YOU KNOW, A START DATE FOR THAT TO ALLOW THE CITY TO PLAN FOR, SOME KIND OF TRANSITION AT A SPECIFIED DATE.
I DON'T THINK WE SET A SPECIFIC DATE OR ANYTHING, BUT WE LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT THAT OFFERS TO COUNCIL AND ALSO THE DASHBOARD THAT IT PRESENTS TO OUR PUBLIC. LIKE HERE ARE THE METRICS THAT ARE GOING TO DICTATE WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND THEN WHEN IT BECOMES WHEN IT'S EXECUTED, WE WILL HAVE EVIDENCE OF ACHIEVING THAT METRICS FOR THE LARGE PART, DID I MR. SIPPY OR DID I? NO, I THINK IT PUT PUT A DATE OUT THERE IN THE FUTURE AND, AND, CITE THE METRICS THAT WILL DRIVE. YEAH NECESSITATED CHANGE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE POPULATION, GIVEN THE POPULATION GROWTH WE'VE HAD AND ARE LIKELY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HARD TO GET TO A QUARTER MILLION PEOPLE AT SOME NOT TOO DISTANT DATE IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT. AND I THINK WE
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ALL FELT THAT HAVING THERE WAS NO HARM IN HAVING A DISTRICT REPRESENT FEWER NUMBERS OF CITIZENS VERSUS MORE. YEAH, WE FELT LIKE THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO COVER TO A LARGER GROUP OF PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT OUR GROUP DISCUSSED, IS YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR ACCESS TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER WILL BE LESS IF YOU'RE ONE OF 70,000 VERSUS ONE OF 38,000. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE SAME THING TO SINGLE MEMBER, ADDITIONAL DISTRICTS. WE ARE THE OUTLIER. OKAY SO WE ACTUALLY LIKED ONE. AND ONE. SO CONSIDERING ADDING AN AT LARGE AND ADDING A DISTRICT. YEAH, WE DID HAVE THAT ON OUR AS AN OPTION. WE WEREN'T LIKE SUPER STRONG EITHER WAY. WE JUST KIND OF SETTLED ON SIX AND TWO. BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT FIVE AND THREE AS WELL. YEAH. THE DISADVANTAGE WE SAW TO ANOTHER AT LARGE IS JUST THE, THE LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, DISTRICT ONE RIGHT NOW HE'S GOT TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY FROM OVER THERE AND ALL THE WAY FROM OVER THERE. IT'S JUST A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER. AND, WE THOUGHT IT JUST MIGHT BE BETTER TO HAVE ANOTHER SINGLE DISTRICT SO SOMEBODY WOULDN'T BE DRIVING ALL OVER CREATION. SO AND ALSO TO KEEP AN ODD NUMBER OF VOTES ON THE COUNCIL. SO WE DON'T END UP WITH AN EVEN NUMBER. WE SAID ONE AND ONE, ONE AND ONE, ONE SINGLE MEMBER AND FIVE. YEAH AN AT-LARGE. OKAY OKAY I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. OKAY. 531. YEAH, YEAH.FIVE THREE WELL, YEAH. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, IN REGARDS TO DISTRICT ONE, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION, ABOUT GENTRIFICATION. AND SO IF WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT, THAT THAT IS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR DISTRICT ONE WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING DISTRICTS AND ADDING DISTRICTS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS REAL. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. AND SO IF WE JUST SIT STEADY AND WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, WE'RE KIND OF IGNORING THAT PART OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING AND WHAT IS HAPPENING OVER THERE. OKAY. CAN I ASK YOU CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT GENTRIFICATION. WHAT DO YOU MORE DETAIL? SO, SO WHEN WITH WITH THE BUILDING THAT IS HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE, THE NEW TUBBS BREWERY, THE NEW CITY HALL, GENTRIFICATION IS ESSENTIALLY ONLY, WHERE OVER TIME, PEOPLE THAT ARE THAT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO STAY THERE BECAUSE OF RISING COSTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SO THERE THERE ARE GRANTS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR CITY FOR SPECIFICALLY THE 75069 AREA CODE , OR SORRY, ZIP CODE TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES THAT HAVE LIVED THERE AND HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE GROW, GENTRIFICATION IS GOING TO HAPPEN, AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT BECAUSE THE DYNAMIC, THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THAT COMMUNITY IS CHANGING AND PEOPLE ARE ARE MOVING TO THE EAST SIDE. AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AT THOSE ELEMENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT WHENEVER WE ARE REDISTRICTING, IF WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO MISS IT MOVING FORWARD. BILL, CAN I ADD ONE THING TO WHAT OUR GROUP SAID, OUR SPOKESPERSON, BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE ADDING ONE AND ONE, IF PART OF THE REASONING BEHIND ADDING ADDITIONAL SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS WAS TO LOWER THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE REPORTING TO THAT REPRESENTATIVE , THE STANDARD REASON TO HAVE SIX AS OPPOSED TO FIVE, BECAUSE THAT FIVE, THAT'S STILL PRETTY LARGE. AND MR. MAUER MADE A GREAT POINT. YOU KNOW, HE'S IN DISTRICT ONE. THE INTEREST OF THE AREA IN DISTRICT ONE, WHICH HE LIVES AND SURROUNDED BY, IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE INTEREST OVERALL FOR 121. AND SO THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT TO REPRESENT BOTH OF THOSE AREAS WOULD HELP THAT. SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT, SOMETHING ELSE THAT I HAD MENTIONED TO OUR, MERGED GROUP IS, IS THE CONSIDERATION THAT NOT ONLY IS IT, DISENFRANCHIZING TO VOTERS IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER EXPANDING, DISTRICTS, SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, IT'S ALSO DISENFRANCHIZING, TO USE YOUR WORDS, TO, TO PEOPLE WHO MAY RUN FOR COUNCIL. RIGHT, AT THIS TIME, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR SOMEONE WITH A, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOWER INCOME OR SOMEONE OF THE, THE TYPICAL POPULATION OF DISTRICT ONE TO RUN FOR COUNCIL, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRAINTS ON TIME AND INCOME AND, AND, COST OF CAMPAIGNING. RIGHT. WE TALKED ABOUT HOW, A SMALLER DISTRICT LOWERS THE COST OF A CAMPAIGN, IT ALSO LOWERS THE,
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THE TIME THAT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO DRIVING AROUND YOUR DISTRICT, AND MEETING WITH PEOPLE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR CONSIDERATION, WE'RE NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT VOTERS, BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS. I ACTUALLY, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT, MR. GRIMES GIVING YOU A KUDOS HERE. I'D LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING THESE INTO THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE. THE 27 WE WERE ALIGNED WITH TWO ADDITIONAL COUNCIL SEATS. SINGLE COUNCIL SEATS, HAVING TWO AT LARGE AS WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT CITIES THAT WERE 210,000 ABOVE. I LOOKED AT 30 CITIES, TRYING TO MAP OUT ONES THAT WERE SIMILAR TO US. I LOOKED AT HOW MANY DISTRICTS THEY HAVE, WHAT THEIR POPULATION IS, HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS YOU'RE SEEING, SOME THAT THE ONES THAT ARE GROWING ARE AVERAGING ANYWHERE FROM 14,000 TO 29,000 PEOPLE, THAT CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING. SO OUR CURRENT OUR CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE COMPLETELY INUNDATED WITH TOO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO NOT HAVING AN ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, NOT A SPORT, NOT BEING. I'M LOOKING AT RICHMOND, VIRGINIA. THEY JUST VOTED TO INCREASE THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BY 20,000.THEY'RE GOING TO GET PAID 25,000 A YEAR. THEY'RE CALLING ON 25,000 CONSTITUENTS. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CITIES WE WANT TO BECOME, IF WE'RE IMAGINING WHAT IS POSSIBLE, I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, IS NOT JUST THE CHARTER, BUT WHAT DO WE WANT THE CITY TO BE AND WHAT IS THE WORK THAT WE WANT TO FUTURE PROOF IN THE CITY AND WHAT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BUILDING AND SECURING FOR. SO THAT'S FOR AS WE TALKED. IT'S JUST YEAH, THERE NEEDS I MEAN OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS RIGHT NOW ARE COMPLETELY OVERBURDENED AND THEY DO A TERRIFIC JOB. BUT THEY JUST HOW ARE THEY REALLY REPRESENTING THEIR THEIR CONSTITUENTS WHEN THEY HAVE THAT THAT MUCH RESPONSIBILITY? THEY DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT FROM ADMINISTRATIVE AND THEY'RE GETTING PAID. WHAT WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GETTING PAID $50 A MEETING OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THEIR GAS HERE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S LIKE WE'VE GOT TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO IMAGINE, LIKE WHAT IS POSSIBLE FOR MCKINNEY AND WHERE DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE CITY. AND LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING ENOUGH RESOURCES FOR THEM. YEAH. SO GUYS, WE ARE UP AGAINST OUR OUR TIME LIMIT. GREAT CONVERSATION. MAYBE WHAT WE DO NEXT TIME IS ANOTHER SLIDO, FOR OUR, CONVERSATION ABOUT COUNCIL COMPOSITION. TREVOR, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. I WOULD ASK AND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME HEAD NODS OR, I'LL TAKE A LITTLE LIBERTY WITH IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE AGAIN, TO USE THE PHRASE THRESHOLD QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT MORE MEMBERS, PERIOD. YES OR NO? AND THEN BASED ON THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, DO WE WANT THOSE MEMBERS TO BE DISTRICT OR AT LARGE? TAKE YOUR PREFERENCE. CORRECT. AND THEN HOW MANY? SO WE CAN WE CAN BUILD IN, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 5 PREFERENCING TYPE QUESTIONS SIMILAR TO THE TERM'S, AS YOU MENTIONED, MR. CHAIR, WE CAN ALWAYS BRING THE TERMS BACK AGAIN FOR ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT ONCE AGAIN, WE'LL TRY TO ENDEAVOR TO HAVE A COMPARISON TO HEY, HERE'S WHAT THE RESULTS WERE ON THE 12TH, AND THEN SEE IF THOSE RESULTS SHIFT OR CHANGE, AND THEN AGAIN, WE'LL PLAN TO HAVE THAT ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 10TH, WHICH IS THE LAST WORKING GROUP, I SHOULD SAY, SCHEDULED WORKING GROUP MEETING OF THIS COMMISSION, THIS USED TO SAY WEDNESDAY, JULY 23RD. AND IF YOU'RE A CALENDAR SAVANT, JULY 23RD IS A TUESDAY. SO, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE COMMISSION TO MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL.
BUT LONG, LONG STORY SHORT, WE CAN HAVE ALL THAT PREPPED FOR NEXT TIME. ABSOLUTELY. VERY GOOD. WHICH NEXT TIME? THE TOPIC IS COMPENSATION. IT'S FAIRLY ONES AND ZEROS. THERE'S A LITTLE LESS AMBIGUITY ON WHAT THE FACTS ARE OR WHAT OTHER FOLKS DO. IT'S FAIRLY CLEAR THEY EITHER ARE COMPENSATED AT ONE LEVEL, NO LEVEL, ETC. SO I FEEL LIKE THE CONTENT FOR THE DATA WILL BE EASIER TO GET THROUGH, AND THEN THE CONVERSATION CAN CONTINUE. THE WAY IT HAS THIS EVENING. SO HAPPY TO DO ALL THAT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN THE MEANTIME, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, BEFORE I GUESS THE FINAL VOTE OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IF WE COULD GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON AND THEN I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE, IF THEY COULD HAVE A PROXY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR VOICE BEING HEARD, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. SINCE THEY'RE ON THE COUNCIL OR ON THE BOARD. MAYBE WHAT WE DO FOR SO IT'S REALLY A PREFERENCING TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM. BUT AS THE AS THE SHOW COMES TO AN END, TO YOUR POINT, RJ, WE MAY NEED TO HAVE A TELL US WHERE YOU ARE FROM, ALL OF THE COMMITTEE. SO PERHAPS A PAPER BALLOT OR WHAT HAVE YOU INPUT FROM EVERYONE WOULD BE GOOD. BUT YEAH, SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE HERE. YEP,
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THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK WHAT WE'LL FIND IS EVERY MEETING BUILDS ON THE ONE BEFORE AND WE LEARN MORE INFORMATION. AND IT IT ALL FITS TOGETHER. GUNNAR, YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THIS. IT ALL FITS TOGETHER AS A PACKAGE COUNCIL MAKE UP THE COMPOSITION AND THE HOW LONG, THE HOW MUCH.ALL OF IT FITS TOGETHER. WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO. GREAT. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THIS IS THIS IS GREAT FEEDBACK AND A GREAT AND A GREAT GROUP. THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE EVERYONE ALL DID THIS GO MORE SMOOTHLY THAN THE FIRST ONE. GIVE A BIG HAND TO YOUR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. THERE'S JUST NO REZONING. SO YOU KNOW AGAIN NEXT MEETING WILL BE SAME TIME SAME PLACE JUNE 26TH, TWO WEEKS FROM THIS EVENING, JUNE 26TH. NEXT MEETING I
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.