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NOTICE OF POTENTIAL QUORUM of the City Council and / or various Boards & Commissions of the City of McKinney, Texas

Jun 26, 2024 Charter Review Commission

NOTICE OF POTENTIAL QUORUM of the City Council and / or various Boards & Commissions of the City of McKinney, Texas

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[NOTICE OF POTENTIAL QUORUM of the City Council and / or various Boards & Commissions of the City of McKinney, Texas]

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PRIVATE CITY JET TO. I JUST AS AS EVERY WEEK I JUST WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY. AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. I THINK THIS IS THE SECOND TO LAST MEETING. SO YOUR YOUR DUTY THAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR RESPONSIBILITY IS GOING TO BE ENDING SOON, AGAIN, IT'S STATED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT EVERYONE HERE COULD BE DOING ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT YOUR TIME. AND THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THIS AND, VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME. WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. THIS IS A AN IMPORTANT PROCESS TO GET COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR, PROVIDING THIS THIS SERVICE AND YOUR TIME TO THE CITY. SO TONIGHT IS GOING TO, I GUESS, KEN, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE, TAKE VETO. RIGHT. AND INTRODUCE TREVOR. YOU CAN INTRODUCE TREVOR, BUT HE TOLD ME HE SAID KIM IS HERE. SO THERE'S AN ADULT IN THE ROOM. OH I WAS MONITORING. OKAY, SO YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MONITOR, MAKE SURE THAT HE STAYS ON TRACK. CHECK. MARK 40 TIMES. WHAT'S THAT? 40 YARD DASH TIMES. YES. SO TREVOR BEEN HERE? DO YOU ALL KNOW IT, WE'LL WE'LL TAKE YOU INTO THE MEETING, MR. CHAIR. I'LL DEFER TO YOU TO GET US STARTED HERE. THANK YOU. NO. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU.

TREVOR. WELCOME, EVERYBODY, FOR, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND BEING HERE AS THE MAYOR SAID, WE DO APPRECIATE IT. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF GOVERNMENT AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE. TONIGHT WE'LL TALK ABOUT COMPENSATION. WE'LL ALSO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN GOING BACK AND, REVISITING WHERE WE FINISHED OUR LAST MEETING, TREVOR HAS A FEW COMMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL BREAK INTO THE, SMALL GROUPS AGAIN. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW. SO I LOST MY VOICE LAST NIGHT, JUST BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING STARTED. SO IF I SOUND A LITTLE OFF, BEAR WITH ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. TREVOR. YES, BUDDY. THANK YOU. SIR, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THE TIMELINE, WE'VE KNOCKED OFF TWO OF THE MEETINGS THAT ARE THE WORKING MEETINGS, AND I'LL ALSO SAY THAT THOSE ARE THE SCHEDULED MEETINGS, IF AT ANY POINT THE COMMISSION AT LARGE DECIDES, HEY, WE REALLY NEED TO DO FIVE MORE OF THESE, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT. I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ALL, BUT TONIGHT'S MEETING IS THE 26TH, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE OUR LAST WORKING MEETING ON LAST SCHEDULED WORKING MEETING ON JULY 10TH, TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. THE STILL SAYS WEDNESDAY, BUT TUESDAY, JULY 23RD WILL BE THE WORK SESSION. WHERE THE COMMISSION WILL PRESENT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEM TO HEAR DIGEST AND THEN AUGUST 6TH, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE COUNCIL ACTION TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE BALLOT, THAT HAS TO BE DONE ON THE AUGUST AUGUST 6TH MEETING TO MEET THE DATE REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S JUST A DEADLINE OR A DEADLINE AND TIMELINE UPDATE. WE'VE TOUCHED BASE ON THESE BEFORE. THESE ARE THE GENERAL AREAS OF FOCUS. I'LL TOUCH BASE ON MILLENNIAL OR MISCELLANEOUS. FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE. WE'LL PRESENT TO YOU ALL NEXT TIME A SUMMARY OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE PARLIAMENTARY IN NATURE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE SHOWING TO THE COUNCIL, IF THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE COMMISSION PROCESS THAT COME UP, AS YOU SEE IN THE LAST BULLET, WE'RE HAPPY TO PLUG THOSE IN ON THE 10TH, BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE ON THE 10TH THAT WE'LL SPEND A TON OF TIME TALKING ABOUT COMMAS AND SEMICOLONS FROM UPDATES TO THE CHARTER. FROM THE MISCELLANEOUS PERSPECTIVE. AGAIN, WE'VE MADE SOME UPDATES TO THE WEBSITE. YOU ALL HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THOSE THROUGH THE EMAILS THAT YOU RECEIVE. IF YOU HAVEN'T MADE IT TO THE WEBSITE YET, YOU CAN GRAB THIS QR CODE OR VISIT 20 OR EXCUSE ME, OR JUST TYPE IN 2020 FOR CHARTER COMMCHISSION ON OUR WEB PAGE AND YOU'LL GET THERE. AND THEN, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU WANT TO TEE THIS UP, THIS IS THE TERMS FOR OR EXCUSE ME, THE SLIDO EXERCISE FOR THE TERMS. ONCE AGAIN LAST MEETING WE DID A SLIDO AND WE MET TO TALK ABOUT TERMS AND ALL THE TERMS. ARE IN MCKINNEY. WE THOUGHT WE WOULD COME BACK AND REVISIT BRIEFLY, AND IT SEEMED LIKE THE SMALL GROUPS WORKED WELL LAST TIME TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO VISIT. TREVOR, ARE YOU OKAY? WE DO.

YEAH. WE CAN DO A 5 OR 6. SEVEN MINUTE. SURE. SMALL GROUP. I'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THE CLOCK HERE.

AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE WILL BE THE PREFERENCING OR THE PULSE CHECK, FROM THE SLIDO EXERCISE.

SO I'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THE CLOCK HERE AT 615 OR SO. WHEN WE COME BACK. ONE ONE. THE ONLY CURVEBALL IS THAT WE'RE STILL EATING OUR DINNER. SO. YEAH RATHER THAN HAVE TO HOP UP,

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MAYBE IT MAY BE A TALK AMONGST THOSE ACROSS FROM YOU. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP AND LEAVE YOUR MEAL. SO RICK DOESN'T EAT YOUR EAT YOUR FOOD. SO YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. YOU WANT TO WATCH THE CLOCK AND WE'LL DO THAT AND WE'LL COME BACK AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT ANOTHER SLIDO. YEP OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE REHASHING OR REVISITING WHERE WE FINISHED LAST TIME. CONFERENCE COMPOSITION NOT COMPENSATION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS BREAKOUT GROUP COMPOSITION, NOT COMPENSATION. AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND DO A SLIDO. ON SO WE HAVE THE TERMS SLIDO TEED UP. AND WE CAN DO THAT. NOW IF YOU WANT TO JUMP TO COMPOSITION AFTER THIS BREAK, THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. WE'LL JUMP OVER TO COMPOSITION. BUT WE HAVE A COMPOSITION SLIDO EXERCISE AS WELL. SO THIS CONVERSATION NOW IS COMPOSITION COUNCIL MAKEUP OKAY. YEAH. CAN WE LOOK AT IT. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO LOOK AT THIS LINE OF QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSION? CAN YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDO QUESTION ON THIS ISSUE JUST TO KIND OF FROM OUR DISCUSSION, THIS IS FOR SURE. OKAY. OH, I JUST NEED TO MAYBE OKAY. YEAH GERRILYN NEEDS A PROMPT. SHE NEEDS A PROMPT. THAT'S WHAT SHE NEEDS. OKAY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, THIS IS WHAT THE BREAKOUT SESSION IS TO TALK ABOUT. AND THEN WE'LL RUN THROUGH THESE. SO PREFERENCE FOR COMPOSITION CHANGE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT. PREFERENCE FOR COMPOSITION TYPE. SO FROM ADDING DISPARATE TYPES OF MEMBERS TO KEEPING THE CURRENT COMPOSITION. PREFERENCE FOR TOTAL MEMBERS INCLUDING THE MAYOR FROM THE CURRENT ALL THE WAY UP TO MORE THAN 11 MEMBERS. PREFERENCE FOR NUMBER OF DISTRICT SEATS. PREFERENCE FOR NUMBER OF AT LARGE SEATS AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LAST QUESTION. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. TREVOR. YEAH.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE . I'M SORRY. SORRY THIS IS THE NUMBER I THINK. PLUS. YEAH I. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER. SO WE NEED TO EDIT. THAT AGAIN.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET. LIKE AT A PLACE WHERE WE'RE SORT OF. YEAH. AND NOT AT ALL. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF. YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. LET ME TO START. IS IT ALL POSSIBLE. NO, NO, THERE WAS A FAST AND THEN THERE'S ALFREDO AND THEN ONE OF THE, THERE'S CARVES AWAY. WITH ME, IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD. I GET SOME. WELL SO THEN I COULD GET FIRED, AND I COULD STAY HOME WITH MY KIDS. YES, YES. THAT'S RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE? IN THE MEETING YESTERDAY. I'M A LITTLE BIT LONG AND CLOSED SESSION AS THEY GOT INTO THE WHOLE MTG DOWNTOWN. IS

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IT THIS PRESENTATION? OKAY DO YOU HAVE A, LIKE A TOWN HALL VISITATION? AND THEN YOU, IN OTHER WORDS, IN THE COUNCIL, LIKE. YEAH. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, I THINK I THOUGHT IT WAS MAYBE THE END OF JULY. MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE TWIN CITIES AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING . OKAY COUNCILORS, ARE YOU TAKING ANY TIME NEXT WEEK? BESIDES I DON'T EVEN KNOW. LIKE, EVERYTHING'S LIKE, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT NEXT WEEK, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE, LIKE, I KNOW IT'S COMING UP. I THINK THE LAST WEEK OF JULY, I'LL BE OUT. NEXT WEEK. WAGONS OF PEOPLE. ALL RIGHT.

YES. I JUST CLOSED ON THE FOURTH. RIGHT. YEAH FIFTH FRIDAYS, WE'RE OPEN. YEAH YOU GOT ANY, YOU GOT ANY TIME NEXT WEEK, NO. TILL THE END OF THE MONTH. TO, LIKE, THE LAST WEEK.

IS TRAVEL LIKE, ARE YOU GOING AWAY OR ARE YOU JUST. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO MICHIGAN.

CHRISTIE'S BIRTHDAY. SHE WANTS TO GO TO MICHIGAN. SO I WONDER. LIKE, GIRL, THAT GOES EVERYWHERE. LET'S GO SOMEPLACE COOL. WE'RE NOT GOING TO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO. OKAY NICE. BUT DO YOU FEEL LIKE, CHRISTIE HAS A BIRTHDAY? WELL. IT'S OKAY. I'M THE 26TH, BUT IT ALL STARTS NEXT WEEK. YEAH YEAH. SHE'S GOOD, BUT SHE JUST TALKS ABOUT. SHE JUST GUILT STUFF. SO BIRTHDAY MONEY? YEAH YOU SHOULD HAVE. YOU SHOULD PLAY THAT FOR THE BIRTHDAY, MOM. YEAH. I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE HE JUST DOESN'T HAVE TIME ANYWAY, SO I HATE THAT . THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO FEED PEOPLE EVERY DAY. LIKE Y'ALL ARE HUNGRY AGAIN. WHAT'S YOUR DAUGHTER DOING? SO SHE IS DOING. IT'S THE THING CALLED PERFORMANCE COURSE AT SCHOOL.

IT'S SOME GROUP. IT GOES ALL THESE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS. IT'S MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND IT'S A IT'S ESSENTIALLY TRAINING FOR THEY'RE DOING, LIKE STAMINA TRAINING AND JUST STRENGTH CONDITIONING AND ALL THAT. SO SHE DOES THAT MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AS WELL AS VOLLEYBALL TRAINING, AT SCHOOL. SO SHE'S UP AT THE VOLLEYBALL TRAINING START AT 750. SO SHE HAS THAT FROM 750 TO 8, THEN 9 TO 1030. SHE DOES SHE IS SHE'S FULL TIME. SO I DROP HER OFF IN THE MORNING AND THEN MY HUSBAND PICKS HER UP AND HE WORKS FROM HOME. SO HE JUST GOES TO GRAB THAT. THAT'S MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. SHE'S TIRED. SHE LOVES IT. BUT SHE ABSOLUTELY LOVES IT. SHE'S SHE'S PROBABLY DEAD TIRED IN THERE TONIGHT. OH YEAH. I'M SURE SHE COMES HOME WHEN SHE PASSES OUT FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS. BUT YEAH. AND AT SOME POINT HER AND MY MOM ARE GOING TO GO TO CHICAGO WITH MY MOM AND HER BROTHER. SHE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING. MY MOM LIVES WITH ME. AND SO SHE SAID, DO YOU THINK THAT SHE WOULD GO TO CHICAGO? SHE'LL GO ANYWHERE. SHE DOESN'T CARE WHERE Y'ALL GO. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO IN CHICAGO. NO TRIP. THELMA AND LOUISE RIGHT THERE. BECAUSE MY MOM WOULD DROWN AND. THEN, LIKE, I THINK I WAS SUPPOSED TO STOP ALONG THE WAY. YEAH YOU CAN SEE MORE STUFF. YEAH. SHE. YEAH, SHE SHE LOVES IT. MY MOM. BUT DEPENDS ON THE PART OF THE PRICE . YEAH. THEN THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DO OTHER STUFF. YEAH. I'M SURE THEY'LL FLY TO CHICAGO FOR SOME COOL AROUND. YEAH SHE JUST GOT BRACES LAST THURSDAY, SO SHE WAS GOOGLING IF SHE COULD EAT BECAUSE SHE WAS LIKE, WE GO TO CHICAGO. I HAVE TO AND I COULD EAT IT. SO I'M SURE. HAS SHE EVER BEEN THERE? SHE WAS JUST THERE LAST WEEKEND. RIGHT. SO SHE WANTS TO SEE THE MEAT. I WAS

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LIKE, I'M SURE YOU GOT TO SEE THAT. YEAH YEAH. JUST FIGURING OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.

WE WENT TO THE, STARBUCKS. IT'S LIKE FIVE FLOORS. STARBUCKS REALLY? IT'S A TRIP. AND IT'S JUST. YEAH, IT'S PRETTY BIG. AND THEY HAVE. MERCH ON THIS FLOOR. COFFEE ON THIS FLOOR, TOO FAR.

THIS IS LIKE, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO THE NIKE STORE AND STUFF? IT'S LIKE THAT. OKAY. BUT STARBUCKS ACROSS THE STREET. YOU HAD SOME COFFEE AND THEN GO BACK DOWN. THAT'S PRETTY COOL, AND THEN WE WENT TO. MOTHER'S GO. REALLY? I'LL SHOW YOU REALLY GOOD VIEWS OF THE OF THE WATER.

DOWN RIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO. THE MARCH ACROSS. I LOVE. OH, YES. SHE GOES, WELL, THAT'S WHAT THIS. IS FOR. YEAH. IT DOES. WELL, HOW ARE YOU? DID YOU GET SOME FOOD? YEP MR. CHAIR, THAT'S ABOUT TEN MINUTES. SO. OKAY HERE'S INSIDE. THAT'S MY SON. OKAY OKAY. LET'S, LET'S COME BACK TOGETHER AS A GROUP HERE, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AND YOUR PARTICIPATION. I DO HAVE ONE THING TO RUN BY THE GROUP. WE HAVE, WE HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BY ONE OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER MEMBER OF LOCKMILLER AND THEN ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEMBER THAT WAS ABSENT LAST TIME THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS. SO THE QUESTION FOR THE GROUP IS, DO WE WANT TO HEAR THE LETTER AND THE COMMENTS BEFORE WE DO SLIDO OR OR AFTER? OKAY. YEAH. OKAY EVERYBODY GOOD? YEAH OKAY. OKAY JOHN. SORRY I WASN'T HERE LAST WEEK. JOHN, IF YOU DON'T MIND TURNING YOUR MIC ON. THANK YOU SIR. I SAID SORRY I MISSED LAST MEETING. GRANDCHILDREN GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL. THOUGHT I SHOULD BE THERE. AND IT'S NOT IN THIS AREA, SO I WANTED TO MAKE A GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. ABOUT TERM LIMITS. AND I TALKED TO BILL ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY. AND HERE'S THE SCENARIO I WAS THINKING ABOUT. LET'S JUST SAY I THINK MOST OF US THINK OUR CURRENT MAYOR DOES A GOOD JOB, BUT LET'S JUST SAY NEXT YEAR WHEN HE TURNS OUT THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF NEGOTIATIONS ON THE NEW AIRPORT WITH WITH, SOME AIRLINES OR MAYBE HOW IT'S GOING TO GET BUILT SOMEWHERE ANYWAY.

AND NOW HE'S UP FOR REELECTION, BUT HE CAN'T RUN. I SAY THAT PUTS HIM IN AN AWKWARD POSITION.

AND LET'S JUST SAY WHOEVER IS RUNNING HATES THAT. EVEN THE IDEA OF COMMERCIAL SERVICE HERE AND GEORGE ISN'T OUT THERE TO PROMOTE IT. AND IF THAT PERSON GETS ELECTED, THE WHOLE THING COULD DIE. NOW, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, BUT MY POINT IS, I THINK HAVING TERM LIMITS, PARTICULARLY IF YOU GET INVOLVED IN SOME SERIOUS NEGOTIATIONS OVER THINGS AND YOU SAY, WELL, GEE, GEORGE, I'D REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH OF ALL THE RELATIONSHIPS YOU HAVE, BUT YOU CAN'T NEXT WEEK YOU'RE DONE. AND, I JUST. TERM LIMITS APPLY EVERY TIME YOU'RE UP FOR ELECTION. YOU DON'T LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT'S THERE. YOU CAN VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. AND I'D JUST LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN LOSE. YOU LOSE YOUR INITIATIVES. YOU'RE ON OR LOSE MOMENTUM THAT YOU HAVE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE MOST PASSIONATE ABOUT IT ESSENTIALLY GET BOOTED TO THE ROAD WHEN THEY DON'T WANT TO BE BOOTED INTO THE ROAD. I MEAN, PLUS YOU WANT TERM LIMITS. LET'S SAY IN GEORGE'S CASE, HE DIDN'T

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WANT TO RUN AGAIN. WELL, THERE'S A TERM LIMIT RIGHT THERE, EVEN IF THE REST OF US WANT HIM. HE SAID, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT SO EFFECTIVELY. I THINK YOU HAVE TERM LIMITS, BUT I HATE TO SEE IMPOSE TERM LIMITS. AND THAT'S MY THINKING. THANK YOU. BILL THANK YOU. JOHN, WE HAVE A LETTER OR WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM KEN SIPIORA, AND I'LL READ THIS FOR THE GROUP. LET ME REAFFIRM MY STEADFAST SUPPORT OF TERM LIMITS. THE DATE OF. IT GETS BETTER. THE DATA PROVIDED ON PEER GROUP CITIES IN TEXAS AND BEYOND CLEARLY POINT TO THEM AS A LEADING PRACTICE. I SUGGEST WE CONTINUE LIMITING EACH ELECTED POSITION TO TWO CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS FOLLOWING COMPLETION OF THE SECOND TERM, ELECTED OFFICIALS MUST WAIT TWO YEARS OR ONE FULL ELECTION CYCLE, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, BEFORE RUNNING AGAIN. THE ONLY EXCEPTION WOULD BE FOR A TERM LIMITED COUNCIL MEMBER SEEKING THE OFFICE OF MAYOR. IN THAT SITUATION, NO WAITING PERIOD WOULD BE REQUIRED AT THE CONCLUSION OF TWO CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS AS MAYOR, THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE THEN PRECLUDED FROM FUTURE ELECTED OFFICE RESPECTING THE COUNCIL COMPOSITION. I RECOMMEND IMMEDIATELY TAKING STEPS TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS TO SIX, EFFECTIVE MAY 2027. MAY 2027 MUNICIPAL ELECTION OR SOONER IF PRACTICAL. THIS WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CONSTITUENTS SERVED TO A MORE MANAGEABLE LEVEL AND EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC SERVICE TO AVOID FREQUENT CHARTER AMENDMENTS. PERHAPS PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT SEATS TIED TO RATIO OF MCKINNEY'S POPULATION.

FINALLY, I BELIEVE OUR CURRENT COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMPENSATION IS INADEQUATE FOR THE DEMANDS OF THE ROLE. AS I LOOK AT PEER CITIES, THERE IS A NOTICEABLE TREND TO FIXED MONTHLY STIPENDS.

THIS SIMPLIFIES THE ARRANGEMENT AND ELIMINATES THE RECORD KEEPING OF MEETING ATTENDANCE.

MOBILE PHONE ALLOWANCES, AND RECOGNIZES THE DEMANDS OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS PLACED ON OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. HEY BILL, I THIS IS THE LONG LETTER IS KEN'S. IT IS A LONG LETTER AND NOBODY ELSE GOT A LETTER. I MEAN, CAN WE JUST SEND IN LETTERS TO TELL THEM AND YOU CAN JUST READ LETTERS FOR TO ME, I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH. I MEAN, SEND IT TO EVERYBODY AND LET THEM LET US READ IT AND, AND LET'S, LET'S GET ON WITH THE BUSINESS. I MEAN, THIS IS KEN'S IT'S HIS OPINION. I IT IS I'M GOING TO FINISH IT. SO THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. WITH THIS IN MIND I RECOMMEND STIPENDS OF $1,000 A MONTH AND 750 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, RESPECTIVELY.

OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES INCURRED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, TRAVEL, LODGING, ENTERTAINMENT, MILEAGE WILL BE REIMBURSED AT ACTUAL COST. PERIOD. END OF QUOTE TO RAINEY'S POINT. I AGREE, AND TREVOR AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS. IF WE GET, PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE THAT ARE SUBMITTING WRITTEN COMMENTS, IS IT FOR THE GOOD OF THE OF THE GROUP? IS IT GOOD FOR TV RATINGS? WHAT IS IT FOR? RAINEY BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT, AND MAYBE THE GROUP WANTS TO CHANGE HOW WE DEAL WITH IT NEXT TIME, YOU KNOW? AND EVERYBODY. YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. YEP THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. YEAH. SO IF YOU HAVE IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND AND WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT COMMENTS SEND THAT TO THE EMAIL ADDRESS. AND TREVOR WILL DISTRIBUTE TO THE GROUP. RIGHT.

AND EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHTY. AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, WE HAVE A COMPOSITION SLIDO EXERCISE. YOU ALL SAW THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE YOUR BREAKOUT. AGAIN, IF YOU GOT A SMARTPHONE, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. WE HAVE 15 FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, SO THERE WILL BE A LITTLE COUNTER AT THE TOP RIGHT OF THE SCREEN THAT I'LL BE LOOKING TO GET TO 15 BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION. SO WE'LL GIVE EVERYBODY A FEW MINUTES JUST TO GET ON. THERE'S GOING TO BE A QR CODE AT THE TOP LEFT OF THE NEXT SCREEN. WHEN I PROGRESS THE SCREEN. YES, SIR.

JUST GIVE EVERYBODY A COUPLE MINUTES TO GET READY TO POINT, AND I'M GOING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE FIRST QUESTION, PREFERENCE FOR COMPOSITION CHANGE, THE COMPOSITION OF CITY COUNCIL SHOULD CHANGE THE COMPOSITION OF THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD NOT CHANGE. THE SMART OPERATORS NOT. ACTUALLY, MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES . BUT. IT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT'S

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THE HARDEST. AS SOON AS YOU GET THROUGH THE FIRST ONE, THE NEXT ONE'S JUST KIND OF HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY. YEP. YEAH WHAT DO YOU. FEEL WE NOW GET THAT YELLOW THING? THE YELLOW BAR RIGHT THERE. YEAH I WAS LAUGHING ON THE INSIDE. I SAW IT IN A MINUTE. SO. ON MY CARD FOR THAT ONE, WE GOT TWO MORE. I THINK. SO IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, THERE'S 15 COMMISSION MEMBERS HERE. TWO, FOUR, SIX, EIGHT, TEN, 12, 14. SO MISSING ONE. TREVOR, THIS IS A THESE PERCENTAGES ARE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES. YEP VERSUS THE NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS WE HAVE. IT'S A GREAT POINT. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE 21 COMMITTEE MEMBERS. OBVIOUSLY WE GOT SOME ABSENCES THIS EVENING. I'LL ALSO NOTE WE HAD SOME ABSENCES DURING THE FIRST SLIDO EXERCISE. THIS IS A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE PRESENT. AND IN THIS CASE THERE'S 15 MEMBERS HERE. 14 HAVE VOTED. IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF WHO IS VOTED OUT. ALL THE VOTES FOR EVERYBODY. THEY'RE POSTED ON THE COMMISSION WEBSITE. WELL EXCUSE ME. COULD YOU SEND THE ALL THE QUESTIONS OUT AS WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD TO ALL 21 MEMBERS? SO YOU GET 21 VOTES ON EACH ITEM BECAUSE HERE WE'VE GOT 14 VOTES. YEAH. THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SINCE THERE'S WHAT, SEVEN MISSING TONIGHT. SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT. IT'S A GREAT POINT. UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T FORCE OR COMPEL SOMEBODY TO BE HERE. NO BUT YOU CAN SEND THEM OUT TO EVERYBODY. MR. CHAIRMAN AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR JULY 10TH, TO HAVE A MORE SOLIDIFIED. THESE ARE MORE POINT IN TIME PULSE CHECKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ITEMS TO SEE IF THERE'S, COHESION AND AGREEMENT IN THE ROOM ABOUT SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CHARGED TO THE COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT, SO WE GOT 15. SO THAT'S NEXT QUESTION. AND JUST KEEP YOUR PHONE IN FRONT OF YOU. IT SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY PROGRESS ON YOUR PHONE PREFERENCE FOR COMPOSITION. TYPE AT AT LARGE MEMBERS ADD SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT OR DISTRICTS.

CONVERT AT LARGE TO SINGLE MEMBERS OR KEEP THE CURRENT COMPOSITION. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ONE OF THESE SO THAT'S KEEP. I WOULD HAVE TO GO AND CHANGE THE TYPE OF POLL. YEP JUST SO MAYBE FOR THE NEXT TIME, IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN, THAT THAT COULD BE AN OPTION. YEAH. JUST YEP. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S 15 LOCKING IT IN PREFERENCE FOR TOTAL MEMBERS, INCLUDING THE MAYOR OF COUNCIL.

I'M WAITING ON ONE MORE. IS THAT WHAT IT SAYS? ADAM FOX? WE DIDN'T. YOU DIDN'T ANSWER.

TREVOR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE. NO. THAT'S JUST SOMEBODY DIDN'T VOTE, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. BACK I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ALONG. ALL RIGHT. SO WE MISSED

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ONE ON THAT ONE. PREFERENCE FOR TOTAL NUMBER OF SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. 4 OR 5. SIX OR MORE THAN SIX WITH FOUR BEING THE CURRENT AMOUNT.

ALL RIGHT. LET ME GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD, MR. CHAIR. AND THEN PREFERENCE FOR NUMBER OF AT LARGE MEMBERS TO WHICH IS THE CURRENT THREE OR MORE THAN THREE.

SO THIS IS THE VOTE. AND THAT'S THE END OF THE QUESTIONS. SO FOR COMPOSITION. WE HAD A DISCUSSION EARLIER, MR. CHAIR. I GOT THIS IN HERE. I'M HAPPY TO MOVE ON TO WHATEVER YOU'D PREFER, WHETHER THAT'S A TERMS SLIDO EXERCISE WE HAVE THAT BUILT IN OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO COMPOSITION OR. EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME. COMPENSATION OKAY. OKAY BEFORE BEFORE WE GO ON, I JUST WANT TO, THE. I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY IN HERE WHO SERVED HAS SERVED ON THE COUNCIL. WANTED MORE. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT ANYBODY WOULD WANT MORE THAN WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE TO DEAL WITH. DEALING WITH NINE, SEVEN PEOPLE IS HARD ENOUGH. AND WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WANTS TO MEET WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO. TO MEET WITH SEVEN IS VERY DIFFICULT TO MEET WITH. NINE WOULD BE NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE. AND, EVERYBODY THINKS, OH, PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING REPRESENTED. 98% OF MCKINNEY HAS NO IDEA WHO THEIR COUNCIL PERSON IS. 98. THAT MEANS THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING IT UP. THEY DON'T CARE. THEY JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE. KEEP YOUR TAXES DOWN AND LEAVE ME ALONE. THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS. AND THEN AND THEN SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS HERE, IT'S LIKE, OH, WE'RE NOT BEING REPRESENTATIVE. SO WE NEED TO WE NEED TO LOWER THAT NUMBER DOWN SO EVERYBODY CAN FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING REPRESENTED. AND THAT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY. I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS FOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, RIGHT NOW. I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE IF, YOU KNOW, WE AVERAGE AROUND 50,000 THAT EVERYBODY HAS FOUR. AND IF THAT NUMBER GOES TO 70 OR EXCUSE ME. YEAH. IF THAT NUMBER GOES TO 70,000, EVERYBODY STILL HAS FOUR PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN CALL ON WHO ACTUALLY REPRESENTS THEM. THE MAYOR AND TWO AT LARGE. AND THEIR, THEIR DISTRICT. AND SO TO THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADD TWO MORE PEOPLE TO THE CHAOS THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITH SEVEN IS NOT NECESSARY. IS I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, I SERVED THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND I JUST COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE ADDING TWO MORE TO THE MIX, AND, AND SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS WITH THIS. AND I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO GET A KIND OF A COUNCIL PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE WHO HAVE SERVED ON THERE TO SAY, NOBODY KNOWS WHO I WAS MY WHOLE TIME I COULD. I LOVE TO ASK PEOPLE, DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU KNOW? NOBODY KNOWS. I'M YOUR. YEAH, I'M. I WAS YOUR COUNCIL PERSON FOR EIGHT YEARS. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. OF COURSE YOU DIDN'T. NOBODY KNOWS. AND BUT EVERYBODY FEELS REPRESENTATIVE UNTIL, YOU KNOW.

SO WE DON'T GET INUNDATED WITH EMAILS AND I MEAN THOUSANDS OF EMAILS. NO, IT'S A HANDFUL.

MAYBE EACH WEEK YOU DEAL WITH THEM AND PEOPLE FEEL REPRESENTED, REPRESENTED. SO TO GO TO NINE TO ME IS LUDICROUS. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. THANK YOU RANDY, YOU'RE A BIGGER DEAL THAN YOU THINK. I TRIED, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO BURN THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF

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COMPENSATION DATA, AS WAS THE CASE WITH THE COUNCIL COMPOSITION INFORMATION YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, LIKE, FOR, LIKE, CITY COMPARISONS, TWO WEEKS AGO, WE LOOKED AT EVERY COMPOSITION.

OVER 100,000 FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. BASED ON THE DATE AND TIME WHEN WE PICKED 100,000. AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SAME FOR COMPENSATION. COMPENSATION IS EVEN MORE, WHAT WORKS FOR THAT CITY? IT'S A MIXED BAG ALL OVER THE STATE. SO I'LL BE DO MY LEVEL BEST TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AS THEY COME, AND THEN I'M ALSO GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ACCURATELY GIVE YOU AN ANNUALIZED NUMBER OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. YES, SIR. YEAH. DRIVER, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, WOULD YOU DEFINE MEETING, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR COUNCIL HAS A TYPICALLY A WORKSHOP MEETING BEFORE EVERY COUNCIL MEETING. SO IS THAT TWO MEETINGS OR IS THAT ONE MEETING.

IT'S LIKE A PAGER BEFOREHAND JOHN. SO ON THE SCREEN. OH OKAY. EACH POSTED MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL, WHETHER IT IS A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING, A WORK SESSION MEETING OR A COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING IS COUNTED AS A MEETING. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL MET YESTERDAY FOR A SPECIAL MEETING AND THAT WAS $150 MEETING. HOWEVER, LET'S SAY THEY MET FOR A WORK SESSION, A REGULAR MEETING AND A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THREE SEPARATE POSTED MEETINGS, I.E.

$150. SO THAT'S HOW THE MATH WORKS IN MCKINNEY FOR POSTED MEETINGS, I'LL RUN THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE IF YOU SEE QUOTES AROUND IT. IT'S GENERALLY THE EXACT VERBATIM WHAT CAME FROM THE CHARTER. I DID CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT WHERE YOU SEE AN ELLIPSE. SO FOR THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR SHALL RECEIVE FOR COMPENSATION THE SUM OF $50 PER POSTED CITY COUNCIL MEETING ATTENDED. AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO ADD. THEY HAVE TO BE AT THAT MEETING TO RECEIVE THE $50.

IN ADDITION, THE MAYOR RECEIVES $100 PER MONTH AS A STIPEND. I'LL JUMP DOWN TO THE THIRD BULLET. EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER, AS A MATTER OF POLICY, RECEIVES $100 PER MONTH CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE. THAT'S NOT IN THE CHARTER. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF POLICY GOING BACK UP TO COUNCIL.

EACH MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, SIMILAR TO MAYOR, SHALL RECEIVE COMPENSATION OR, EXCUSE ME, COMPENSATION. THE SUM OF $50 PER POSTED MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE MAYOR ANNUALLY, INCLUDING THE CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE. IT'S RIGHT AT $5,100 APPROXIMATELY. AND THEN FOR THE COUNCIL ANNUALLY APPROXIMATELY $3,900. IN ADDITION, ALL EXPENSES, APPROPRIATE EXPENSES THAT ARE INCURRED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER OR THE MAYOR ARE REIMBURSABLE IF THEY SUBMIT RECEIPTS, FOR INSTANCE, ON A TRIP TO AUSTIN OR A TRIP TO DC FOR COUNCIL WORK, OR FOR ANY COUNCIL WORK HERE IN THE CITY LIMITS THAT INCURS AN EXPENSE TO THEM THAT'S REIMBURSABLE. THEY CAN SUBMIT THOSE RECEIPTS TO BE REIMBURSED. THAT'S THE CURRENT CITY OF MCKINNEY COUNCIL COMPENSATION. I SHARE THAT FIRST SO THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS LAUNDRY LIST OF CITIES, YOU KIND OF HAVE THAT ON YOUR MIND. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT. WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF MISCELLANEOUS IF THEY GO OFF TO A CONFERENCE FOR SURE. SO LET'S LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE MAYOR IS GOING TO BE AT THE HTML BOARD MEETING AND NORTH RICHLAND HILLS THIS FRIDAY. AND HE'S IF HE DRIVES HIS OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE TO THAT MEETING AND DRIVES HIS OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE BACK, HE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GET REIMBURSED FOR THOSE PERSONAL VEHICLE MILEAGE EXPENSES IF THERE WAS PARKING AT THE HOTEL THEY'RE MEETING AT, HE COULD SUBMIT A PARKING TICKET TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THAT REGISTRATION. SURE. YEAH. ANY OF THAT AIR AIRFARE IF YOU FLY, ETC. TREVOR IS THE 100 A MONTH COUNCIL CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE INCLUDED IN THE 3900. IT IS. YEP AND THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION. SO THIS IS BASED ON 2023 NUMBERS FOR THE MEMBERS THAT HAD SERVED A FULL YEAR IN 23. AND THE MAYOR HAD SERVED A FULL YEAR IN 23 AS WELL. OKAY. AND DO WE KNOW WHEN THE $50 WAS WOULD PUT IN PLACE? HOW LONG AGO THAT WAS? I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 2001 ONE. THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER. OKAY. YEAH I HAVE IT ON A SLIDE. A FEW MEETINGS BACK. IT'S JUST NOT ON THE FRONT OF MY MIND. I THOUGHT IT WAS 14 214. YEAH 14. AND 14. SO THESE NUMBERS, IT'S AN INTERESTING.

WHAT WAS IT? IT'S MAY 25TH. WHAT WAS IT BEFORE? I THINK IT WAS. I THINK THE MAYOR'S WAS 50 AS WELL. WHO GAVE HIM THAT WAS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEETINGS. THERE WAS A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT GOT REMOVED. YOU GOT TWO MEETINGS A MONTH. SO TINNITUS IS GOING TO PULL UP THE

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EXACT NUMBER TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHO'S ON THE BALLOT IN 14. THERE YOU GO FOR THIS. YES. SOMETHING BEFORE LIKE I SAID, THAT MAYBE A CAPTAIN AND I THOUGHT THE 50 WAS A ONE. WAS IT JUST THE MAYOR'S CHANGE OR WAS IT EVERYBODY CHANGED 50. WELL, THE MAYORS DIDN'T CHANGE, THE STIPEND WAS ADDED TO THE MAYOR, SO THE STIPEND WAS ADDED. BUT THE 50 0101, THAT'S WHAT MY RIGHT. SO HERE WE GO. STARTING WITH ABILENE, THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL EACH RECEIVE $1 PER YEAR. THE CITY OF ALLEN HAS MONTHLY STIPENDS. 625 AND 375 PER MONTH. THAT'S 7000 504,500 ANNUALIZED. AMARILLO RECEIVED $240. BOTH MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS AS I CONTINUE, LET ME ADD THIS. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES ITEM THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS PRESENT IN ALL OF THESE CITIES. THAT'S A PRETTY STANDARD ITEM IN ALL OF THEIR CHARTERS. SO JUST WANT TO ADD THAT CAVEAT IN CITY OF ARLINGTON 250 AND 200 A MONTH.

SO RIGHT AT THREE GRAND AND 2400. CITY OF AUSTIN, THEY GOT A PRETTY ROBUST PACKAGE, $134,000 PER YEAR FOR THE MAYOR. CAR ALLOWANCE AND CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE AT 905,400 FOR BOTH MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THEN THEY HAVE AN INTERNAL RETIREMENT PLAN IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT'S MANAGED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR. THEY PROBABLY DON'T WORRY ABOUT PARKLANDS AND. RIGHT THE CITY OF BEAUMONT, $2,000 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, 1650 FOR THE MAYOR PRO TEM, 1400 FOR COUNCIL MEMBER. AND THAT COMES OUT TO 24,000 FOR THE MAYOR, 19.8 FOR THE MAYOR PRO TEM, AND 16 TO 8 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE POPULATION OF BEAUMONT. IT IS 100,000 109,198. IT'S. THE CITY OF BROWNSVILLE 40,000 FOR THE MAYOR, 25,000 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE CITY OF CARROLLTON. MONTHLY STIPENDS OF $375 FOR THE MAYOR, $200 A MONTH FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S 4500 FOR THE MAYOR ANNUALIZED, AND 24 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. CITY OF CARY. THAT WAS ONE OF OUR REGIONAL, NATIONAL EXAMPLES THAT WE JUMPED TO. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY REAL GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THEY MADE OTHER THAN IT'S SET BY COUNCIL. AGAIN, THEY'RE WAY OUT AWAY FROM US. SO TAKE THAT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. CITY OF COLLEGE STATION RECEIVES NO COMPENSATION. THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, $750 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, 500 FOR A MONTH FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S 9006 THOUSAND, RESPECTIVELY. YES. GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK WHICH OF THESE ARE STRONG? I MEAN, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT LIKE THE I WOULD SAY THAT 85 PLUS PERCENT OR COUNCIL MANAGER, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ONE THAT'S STRONG. MAYOR, AUSTIN'S NOT AUSTIN'S, NOT HOUSTON'S NOT ON HERE. AND THEY'RE NOT ON HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COUNCIL MANAGER. YEAH OKAY. AND NOW THEY SAY THAT I THINK WE MADE A POINT TO ONLY PUT COUNCIL MANAGER CITIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CITY OF DALLAS, 60,000 FOR THE MAYOR, 37,500 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. YES, SIR. YEAH. HOW BIG IS HOW BIG A CITY IS? CORPUS CHRISTI? CORPUS CHRISTI IS 314, 431 CITIZENS. SO 314,000. CITY OF DENTON. $1,000 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR. 750 A MONTH FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S 12,009 THOUSAND, RESPECTIVELY. CITY OF EDINBURG. THEY JUST GOT OVER THE LINE DURING THE LAST CENSUS. SO IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE EDINBURG IS, YOU'RE LIKE ME. BUT THEY'RE AT ZERO. CITY OF EL PASO. THIS GOES BACK TO MY EARLIER POINT ABOUT IT'S A MIXED BAG. IT'S BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS IN EL PASO. THE MAYOR RECEIVES 1.5. THE MEDIAN INCOME OF EL PASO COUNTY AND COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE ONE TIMES THE MEDIAN INCOME OF EL PASO COUNTY. AND FORT WORTH, THE MAYOR RECEIVES 29,000 AND COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE 25,000.

THE CITY OF FRISCO THE MAYOR, RECEIVES $850 A MONTH, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE $700 A MONTH. THAT'S 10,200 FOR THE MAYOR, 8400 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE CITY OF GARLAND. THEY

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RECEIVE A MONTHLY STIPEND IN ADDITION TO A MEETING STIPEND, A 675 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, 85 PER MEETING FOR THE MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE 340 A MONTH, 85 PER MEETING. THE ANNUALIZED TOTALS FOR GARLAND'S OR WHAT I'M GOING TO SHARE NEXT. HOWEVER, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOVE THIS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GO AND CHECK EVERY MEETING THAT THEY HAVE. BUT THE MAYOR RECEIVES BASED ON STIPEND, RIGHT AT 12,005 20 COUNCIL MEMBERS, 8500. GEORGETOWN 1800 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, 1400 A MONTH FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT COMES OUT TO 21. SIX FOR THE MAYOR, 16 EIGHT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. GILBERT ARIZONA. ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, NATIONAL CITIES WE COMPARED TO 43 631 FOR THE MAYOR, 21 ZERO 12 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF MY ANECDOTAL EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES DOING THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THEIR LOCALITY. THEY HAVE A MONTHLY STIPEND FOR THE MAYOR OF 100 COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE $5 A MEETING. HOWEVER, IN THE SAME VEIN OF WE HAVE A POLICY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO RECEIVE $100, COUNCIL CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE. THEY HAVE A POLICY THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE STIPENDS PER MONTH, THOSE STIPENDS ADD UP TO BE 16,000 A YEAR FOR THE MAYOR, 14,000 A YEAR FOR THE MAYOR PRO TEM, 12,000 A YEAR FOR THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, AND 11,000 FOR THE REMAINING COUNCIL MEMBERS. CITY OF IRVINE, THAT'S IRVINE, CALIFORNIA, 1760 A MONTH PLUS BENEFITS FOR THE MAYOR.

1760 A MONTH, PLUS BENEFITS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT COMES OUT TO RIGHT AT 10,560. I WILL ALSO ADD THEY ALSO RECEIVE $10,560 EACH. ADDITIONALLY FOR SERVING ON THEIR VERSION OF A PARKS BOARD. CITY OF IRVING 1200 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, 900 A MONTH FOR IRVING OR IRVING COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S 14,400 FOR THE MAYOR, 10,800 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE CITY OF KILLEEN IS 350 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, 250 A MONTH FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S 4200 FOR THE MAYOR AND 3000 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. A YEAR . THE CITY OF LAREDO, 75,000 A YEAR FOR THE MAYOR AND 50,000 A YEAR FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY ASTERISK ON THIS IS THAT'S THE BEST INFORMATION I COULD FIND.

THEY DID HAVE A CHARTER. DISCUSSION RIGHT AROUND THE 20, 20, 22 TIME TIME FRAME. HOWEVER, I COULDN'T REALLY NAIL DOWN WHETHER OR NOT THAT CHANGED IT. BUT THEY'RE AT 75 AND 50, BASED ON MY RESEARCH LEAGUE CITY, $1,000 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, 600 A MONTH FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, 12,000 ANNUALLY FOR THE MAYOR, 7200 FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE, $50 A MEETING SIMILAR TO US. WE JUST KIND OF KEPT THAT AT THE A GENERAL ESTIMATE. SO RIGHT AT 1500 OR SO PER MEMBER PER YEAR. CITY OF LUBBOCK, $900 A YEAR FOR THE MAYOR AND $300 A YEAR FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE CITY OF MCALLEN $50 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, $5 PER MEETING FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S RIGHT AT $1,200 ANNUALLY FOR THE MAYOR. I HAVE TO SHARE THIS BECAUSE PAUL'S NOT HERE. IN THE EVENT THAT THE MAYOR IS FILLING THE ROLE OF THE CITY MANAGER, HE WILL ALSO RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL $600. SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A FUNKY LITTLE THING THEY HAD IN THEIR CHARTER THAT I WANTED TO SHARE. I GUESS THAT HAPPENED ONE TIME IN MCALLEN, BUT THEN THE COMMISSIONERS, THEY CALL THEM, THEY RECEIVE $300 ANNUALLY. CITY OF MCKINNEY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THE CITY OF MESQUITE, $100 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, $50 A MONTH FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR 1206 HUNDRED, RESPECTIVELY. ANNUALLY THE CITY OF MIDLAND, $75 A MONTH AND $25 A MONTH, OR 903 HUNDRED ANNUALLY. THE CITY OF MURFREESBORO, TENNESSEE, THE MAYOR RECEIVES $1,000 A MONTH AND A CAR ALLOWANCE EQUAL TO THAT OF THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE $950

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A MONTH. THAT'S 12,000 ANNUALIZED FOR THE MAYOR AND 11,400 FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

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ROUND TO THE NEXT LIKE THAT AND THEN BE DONE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY DOES. AS A CITY COUNCILMAN, I NEVER WANTED TO GO AND SAY, HEY, I NEED MORE MONEY. BUT HAVING SERVED, I WOULD I THINK THEY SHOULD GET MORE MONEY. I THINK THE MAYOR SHOULD GET PAID. YOU KNOW, THAT HAD $1,000 FOR THE MAYOR AND 750 OR, YOU KNOW, 500 TO 750 FOR THE. NO, NO PHONE STIPEND, NO NOTHING. AND THEN THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. AND THEN YOU AND THEN YOU RECALCULATE THAT EVERY FOUR YEARS BASED ON INFLATION AND I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO THINK THAT ANYBODY WOULD BE BOTHERED BY THAT. SO THEY'LL TURN. YEAH. SO, SO BACK WHEN DAD AND I STARTED AND WHEN GERALYN CAME ON COUNCIL, WE ACTUALLY HAD A CAP. WE STILL HAD A CAP. AND THEN WE WITH YOU TOO. YES. WE HAD A CAP THAT MAXED US OUT AT 2500 A YEAR. AND SO WITH ALL OF THE. AND IT'S REALLY NOT I MEAN, WITH THE FAST GROWTH THAT WE HAD, WHICH WE STILL HAVE, AND WITH THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD THAT LASTED TILL SOMETIMES MIDNIGHT, 1:00 IN THE MORNING, WE WERE AT THE CAP BY JUNE. SO FROM JUNE, FROM JUNE UNTIL THE REST OF THE YEAR, WE WERE NOT COMPENSATED AT ALL. AND WE DID HAVE ONE ELECTION THAT YOU REMEMBER WHAT YEAR IT WAS LIKE PROBABLY 2003 OR 4. 3 OR 4, WHERE WE TRIED TO AMEND THE CHARTER TO RAISE THE RAISE THE $50 TO LIKE 75 OR 100 AND IT LOST. SO THAT'S THE VALUE THAT PEOPLE PLACED ON US AT THAT TIME. SO SAME TIME. BUT TRYING TO GO TO 18,000 A YEAR FOR THE MAYOR. AND I DON'T REMEMBER THAT, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW IT WAS A IT WAS A SIMILAR ISSUE. IT WAS A SIMILAR ISSUE. SO I THINK THERE IS FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT WHAT THAT BALANCING NUMBER IS BETWEEN, COMMUNITY SERVICE AND COMPENSATION. AND, AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD TO THIS AND I WOULD THINK THESE GUYS WOULD AGREE WITH ME. I KNOW MY WIFE SAYS IT ALL THE TIME, BUT WHEN I WAS IN OFFICE AND I KNOW, GEORGE, YOU EXPERIENCED THIS AS WELL. AND ALL YOU GUYS HAVE, THERE ARE SO MANY EVENTS THAT WE NOT ONLY GET INVITED TO, BUT WE'RE EXPECTED TO ATTEND AND A LOT OF CHARITY EVENTS, WHETHER IT'S BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS, MERIDEN IN ALL THESE THINGS AND WE'RE NOT COMPENSATED TO GO TO THOSE THINGS, BUT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO GO TO THOSE THINGS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT TWO TUXEDOS. I DIDN'T GET REIMBURSED FOR ANY OF THAT, AND I DIDN'T ASK TO GET REIMBURSED. BUT THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S EXPENSES THAT YOU INCUR, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO WASHINGTON, DC, SOME OF THAT YOU GET REIMBURSED, SOME OF IT YOU JUST DON'T ASK FOR, OR YOU DON'T GET BACK. AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, IT IT REALLY COSTS YOU MONEY TO SERVE ON CITY COUNCIL. YOU'RE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAD TO HAVE MAYBE CIVIL SERVANTS. YEAH. SO I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED AS A FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF OUT OF POCKET, OUT OF POCKET EXPENSES THAT ARE NOT REIMBURSED. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. WE'RE NOT ASKED TO BE REIMBURSED, SIR. WOULD YOU PREFER A MONTHLY FIGURE AS OPPOSED TO PER MEETING, OR DO YOU CARE? I THINK THAT MATTERS.

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WELL, THIS MEETING IS NOT THEY'RE NOT GETTING COMPENSATED FOR BEING HERE. YEAH. NONE OF THOSE BEING COMPENSATED. ARE WE ALLOWED TO ASK THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR HERE LIKE THAT ARE SITTING WHAT HOW THEY FEEL LIKE THAT IN THIS SITUATION? ARE WE ALLOWED TO I JUST DID I THINK $100,000 A MONTH. I I'D SAY IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, IF THE CHAIR WANTS TO ALLOW A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK, HE'S MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO SO. THIS IS PART OF I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY SPEAK INTO A MIC, THOUGH. BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THEY'VE ASKED US TO SERVE AND IF THEY START PUTTING, MAKING INPUT, THEN THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT, OH, THEY'VE INFLUENCED THE GROUP THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY INFLUENCE. RIGHT, MAYOR? $1 MILLION. NO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING SINCE I'M ON MY LAST MEETING. LAST YEAR HERE. ONE THING I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE SAY YET, SO I'LL THROW THIS OUT IN MY MIND. IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPENSATING US. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON ME. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO IMPACT ME. I DON'T MEAN THIS ARROGANTLY. I'M NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED WHETHER YOU GIVE ME $50 A MEETING OR 100, IT'S MEANINGLESS TO ME. AND I THINK TO ALL THE CURRENT COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVING, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT DISRESPECTFULLY TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SOMEONE THAT MIGHT MEAN MORE, BUT WHAT TO ME, THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE NOT EVERYONE IS SELF-EMPLOYED. THAT'S BEEN WORKING FOR 40 OR 50 YEARS THAT THAT CAN AFFORD TO. I MEAN, THIS MORNING I'M UP AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING. I TAKE A 6 A.M. FLIGHT TO AUSTIN. I DRIVE TO ALMOST TWO HOURS, GO LOOK AT A WORKFORCE HOUSING PRODUCT MANUFACTURED IN TEXAS. DRIVE BACK, CATCH A FLIGHT, COME BACK TO COME HERE.

I DON'T GET PAID FOR ANY OF THAT. IT'S OKAY AND THAT'S FINE. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE, THOUGH? THE VAST MEMBERS OF OUR OF OUR CITY THAT TO BE ABLE TO SERVE WOULD BE DOCKED PAY THAT DON'T AREN'T SELF EMPLOYED THAT I MEAN HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WORK IN OUR CITY WORK PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK. SO IF THEY WANTED TO SERVE, THEIR BOSS SAYS, HEY, YOU WANT TO SERVE, I'LL LET YOU SERVE. BUT NO, YOU'RE NOT TAKING OFF EVERY EVERY OTHER TUESDAY AND EVERY OTHER YEAR YOU'RE A CDC OR AN EDC OR THIS OR THAT LIAISON. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET PAID FOR THAT TIME. MY THOUGHT IF I WERE IN THIS ROOM HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, IT WOULD BE VERY MUCH CENTERED AROUND THAT.

IS THERE A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT DOESN'T CAN'T CHOOSE TO SERVE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE THE TIME OFF? AND IS IT SHOULD COMPENSATION BE GEARED TOWARDS THAT PERSON? AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN A FULL TIME JOB OR ANYTHING. THAT MEANS HOW MUCH THEY LOSE. IS IT 20 HOURS A WEEK THAT THEY GOT TO LOSE FROM WORK? WHAT DOES THAT WHAT DOES THAT VALUE CAN THAT BE MADE UP? IS IT MADE UP CURRENTLY IN THE COMPENSATION? I WOULD SAY NO.

RIGHT. SO IF I WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION I'D BE TALKING ABOUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP TO A LOT MORE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE VERSUS THOSE WHO ARE FINANCIALLY ABLE TO SERVE? BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, FOR ME, I'M NOT GETTING COMPENSATED FOR 40, 60 HOURS A WEEK. OBVIOUSLY, WHEN I RAN INTO WHEN I RAN IN 2002, THAT TOLD ME IT WAS 20 HOURS A WEEK AND HE LIED, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, WHEN I SERVED ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, WE DIDN'T GET COMPENSATED ANYTHING AND I MISSED A LOT OF MEETINGS BECAUSE WE OWNED A SMALL BUSINESS AND I WAS A PHARMACIST, AND IF I WASN'T THERE, WE HAD TO SHUT THE STORE DOWN. SO I MISSED A LOT OF SCHOOL BOARD EVENTS. AND SO ANYWAY, SO I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION HERE IS LEGITIMATELY, HOW MANY HOURS PER WEEK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? AND I HAPPEN TO KNOW, HAVING WORKED FOR SEVERAL, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND NOW A MAYOR, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GUYS ON AVERAGE GO AHEAD AND THROW OUT SOME NUMBERS. JUST SO FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE HOW MANY HOURS THEY WORK A WEEK FOR THE CITY TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, THE $50 A WEEK VERSUS, OKAY, DO YOU SPEND 20 HOURS A WEEK? DO YOU SPEND FIVE HOURS A WEEK? WHAT WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS REALLY LIKE? WELL, I THINK IF YOU IF YOU TAKE IT OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, IT'S A FULL TIME JOB BECAUSE THERE'S WEEKS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR REGULAR MEETINGS, YOU HAVE EMERGENCY MEETINGS, YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, YOU HAVE, EVENTS. YOU HAVE LIKE GEORGE IS TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS MAYOR, I WENT TO WASHINGTON, DC PROBABLY FOUR TIMES A YEAR TO MEET WITH THE FAA. YOU KNOW, I WENT TO ASIA WITH GOVERNOR PERRY'S OFFICE FOR A WEEK, AND I MEAN, THAT WAS ALL GREAT. I ENJOYED IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, AS AN ATTORNEY, I. I WORK ON BILLABLE HOURS. SO THAT'S A WEEK OF BILLABLE HOURS I DON'T HAVE. AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I CHOSE TO DO IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS CAN WEIGH IN TOO. IT'S WE WELL HECK WE HOW MANY MEETINGS DO WE HAVE THAT LASTED PAST FREAKING MIDNIGHT? I MEAN, A LOT , SO YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S GOING TO VARY BY INDIVIDUAL. I WOULD DARE SAY GEORGE PUTS IN MORE HOURS

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THAN GEORGE HAS MADE THIS A FULL TIME JOB. YES. I MEAN, YOU CANNOT COMPARE GEORGE TO ANY OF THE COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S HIS CHOICE. EXACTLY. BUT BUT THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR, AS YOU CAN, OR EVEN OTHER MAYORS, MOST LIKELY PUT IN MORE HOURS THAN OTHER COUNCILMEN ARE. THERE ARE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, WITHOUT QUESTION, THAT DON'T PUT IN AS MUCH TIME AS OTHERS, BECAUSE EITHER THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY RESPONSIBILITIES OR THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT MUCH TIME. SO IT IT DOES OR THEY CAN'T, BUT IT DOES VARY, THERE'S NO ONE SIZE FITS ALL. IT'S ALSO REFLECTED, THOUGH , IN EVERY CITY. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, OH, SURE, THE MAYOR FOR THE COUNCIL. SO I THINK WE HAVE A COMMENT REAL QUICKLY HERE TOO. I MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM THE MAJORITY HERE FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THIS CONVERSATION, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SERVE ON THE SAMARITAN INN BOARD, THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER BOARD , ALL THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT NONPROFITS HERE IN TOWN, AND NOBODY GETS COMPENSATED. THEY GO TO EVENTS, THEY GO TO GALAS, THEY BUY TUXEDOS. THEY THEY DO THINGS FOR THOSE IN THOSE NONPROFIT ROLES AND IN PARTICULARLY IN LEADERSHIP ROLES . THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF FUNDRAISING. THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS. NOBODY GETS IN PAY FOR IT. SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO GETTING SOME. NOBODY'S MAKING A LIVING OUT OF THIS. BEING ON THE CITY COUNCIL, EVEN AT $5,100. SO, MY POSITION, I THINK WOULD BE I'M HEARING A LOT OF DIALOG ABOUT THIS, BUT, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A MOTIVATING FACTOR FOR SOMEBODY TO COME SERVE ON THE COUNCIL. I WANT PEOPLE TO COME AND SERVE ON THE COUNCIL FOR THE SAME REASONS THEY GO SERVE ON THE BOARD, OR THEY GO SERVE ON THE SAMARITAN INN OR THE CHILDREN'S AID, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. THE ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT SERVING THE COMMUNITY, NOT BECAUSE OF, WELL, I'M GOING TO GET $50 OR $100 PHONE ALLOWANCE. IT'S FRANKLY, IT'S KIND OF MEANINGLESS. AND I THINK I AGREE A LOT WITH THAT IS THAT THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE THE MOTIVATING FACTOR. I THINK, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE COMPENSATION. BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE VOTERS GOING TO KIND OF LOOK AT IF WE THINK, OH, THIS IS REALLY WHAT THEY WHAT THEY YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH BEING ON THE VOTERS WON'T GO FOR THAT. SO YOU JUST WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS VERY SKEPTICALLY AND, AND, AND PROBABLY TRY TO MOUNT SOMETHING THAT GO AGAINST IT. BUT, AND SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE REASONABLE, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE COMPENSATION, THEN I THINK THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF ARGUMENT. SO LET'S NOT TRY TO LET'S TRY NOT TO RAISE THE BAR TOO HIGH. LET'S, LET'S DO A REASONABLE, YOU KNOW, COMPENSATION TYPE OF THING. I THINK I THINK AS TAMMY STARTED THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, IS YOU'RE GOING TO GET OPINIONS ACROSS THE BOARD, 100,000 TO NOTHING. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL WHAT WE THINK IS FAIR AND WHAT WE THINK IS REASONABLE, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WILL PASS. THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO DECIDE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT BEFORE THE VOTERS BASED ON ALL THE DATA THAT THAT TREVOR TEAM HAVE PUT TOGETHER FOR US, I THINK RENEE'S DISCUSSION REGARDING INFLATION, I MEAN, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE INFLATION LEVEL THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN OUR LIFETIME. AND SO IF WE ADDRESS THIS SITUATION BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS AND REALLY LOOK AT THAT, THAT IS A GREAT NARRATIVE TO HOW WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. OR I MEAN, ALL ALL THE MAJORITY OF CORPORATE JOBS HAS HAS A 1 TO 3, YOU KNOW, RAISE EVERY YEAR. WE COULD DO SOMETHING, WHETHER IT BE INFLATION OR SOMETHING LIKE A CORPORATE STRUCTURE IN REGARDS TO A ONE 1 TO 3% YEAR ON YEAR, I DON'T MIND I DON'T MIND. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO TIE IT TO CPI OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE DELTA FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY VERSUS WHAT WE PROPOSE AS A STARTING POINT, SHOULD IT BE IN THE FORM OF A PROPOSITION, NEEDS TO BE REASONABLE. I THINK THAT IF IT ENDS UP BEING 4 OR 5 TIMES WHERE WE ARE TODAY, VOTERS ARE GOING TO LIKE, IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REASONABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. I CAN I TOLD TREVOR, I'LL SHARE THIS. THIS IS JUST, THE ENABLING LEGISLATION THAT AUTHORIZES THE WATER DISTRICT TO SERVE, WHICH MEANS IT'S IN OUR REGION. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT FRISCO AND PLANO SHEEP FARMERS HILL, ALL THESE FOLKS IN IT, AND THEY'RE, THEY THEY OFFER 150,000, EXCUSE ME, $150 PER DAY WITH A MAX OF

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7200. THAT'S YEAH. NO, IT'S NOT PER MEETING. IT'S PER DAY. WE'RE MEETING PER. SO IF THAT'S A IF THAT'S A DAY WHERE YOU HAVE. YEAH. SO, LET ME PULL THAT UP. SO ANYWAY I'LL, I'LL PULL IT UP.

NOBODY'S GETTING RICH, BUT IT'S ABOVE WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

RIGHT. EXACTLY. FOR THE WRONG REASON. YEAH AND SO YOU KNOW AGAIN THESE ARE, THESE ARE THIS IS A STATE APPROVED DOCUMENT AND IT APPLIES TO PEOPLE IN OUR AREA. IT'S PART OF OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER. WELL THAT'S NOT TO TALK ABOUT. SO THE ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION THE 200 THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN 1 IN 2001 IS 352. SO THEY WOULD THEY WOULD NEED TO GET 352 INSTEAD OF THE 200. THEY GET THIS 352 JUST TO BREAK EVEN OF WHAT THEY GOT PAID IN 2001. AND SO IF YOU IF YOU TO ME, IF YOU JUST SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE NUMBER 500 FOR THE COUNCIL, THAT'S, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, A BUCK AND A HALF, MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY ARE GETTING PAID. YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY SHOULD BE GETTING PAID RIGHT NOW WITH INFLATIONARY FACTORS INVOLVED.

AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A NUMBER LIKE LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S A NUMBER, A REASONABLE NUMBER TO SAY. YEAH THAT'S THAT'S DOABLE. TOTAL. EXCUSE ME. WHAT IS THAT. WHAT IS THAT.

WHAT'S THE MATH. THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FOR THAT 6000, 6000 OKAY. THAT'S FOR COUNCIL. AND YOU'RE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING FOR MAYOR. ARE YOU SAYING NO? NO. THE MAYOR I THINK THE MAYOR I WOULD THINK A THOUSAND I WOULD THINK MORE. WELL, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT BUT AS YOU SAID, NO WITH WITHOUT. BUT YOU'RE JUMPING FROM $50 A MONTH TO $1,000 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR. NO, NO, IT'S RIGHT HERE IMMEDIATELY. $50 A MONTH IS WHAT I SAID. $50 A MEETING, A MEETING, $50 A MEETING. I SAID, IS THAT A TYPO? HE SAID, THAT WAS A TYPO. THANK YOU. IT'S $50 A MEETING, SO IT'S $200 A MONTH. SO IN ESSENCE, AGAIN, THE 50, THE 51 JUST WITH INFLATION SHOULD BE OVER $8,000.

AND THEN IF YOU GO UP TO 12 IT'S NOT A BIG LEAP. AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT 39 SHOULD BE CLOSER TO ABOUT 45. AND THEN $1,500 MORE FOR THE YEARS. AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ENCOMPASSES ALSO THE HUNDRED DOLLAR, NO, I WOULDN'T THAT THEY GET FOR THE CELL PHONES. SO YOU TAKE THAT AWAY OR KEEP THAT AS IS. AND THEN ALSO THE VOTERS HAVE TO APPROVE THE STIPEND. NO, I'D LEAVE THAT ALONE. THE ALLOWANCE, THE HUNDRED DOLLARS. I'D LEAVE THAT ALONE. IT'S A BUDGETARY.

AND THOSE NUMBERS PUT US THOSE NUMBERS. PUT US A LITTLE ABOVE OR A LITTLE BELOW ROUND ROCK, CORPUS CHRISTI, DENTON, FRISCO IRVING, ALL THESE AS BELOW. FRISCO IT'S A LITTLE BELOW FRISCO. NO NUMBERS THAT RANGE. NO, THE FRISCO'S 850 ON THE MAYOR. ON THE MAYOR. IT'D BE LOWER FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT A LITTLE HIGHER FOR OUR MAYOR. BECAUSE OUR MAYOR IS BETTER. IT.

ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. PART OF THE REASON THAT IT OWNS THE AIRPORT. HE DIDN'T NEED THE MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. HE OWNS A LOT OF PLACES HERE IN MCKINNEY, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE I THINK PART OF THE REASON IT FAILED THE LAST FEW YEARS AGO WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE THERE. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE I KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE I TALK TO, THOUGHT WE WERE PAID A LOT OF MONEY TO BE IN THIS POSITION. THEY DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE ONLY GETTING, YOU KNOW, 2500 BUCKS A YEAR FOR A MILLION MEETINGS. AND I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, THE EDUCATION PIECE BECAUSE I, I WOULD FIND IT HARD PRESSED TO THINK THAT IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE GOING FROM 3900 TO 6000, YOU KNOW, ON RAINEY'S IDEA, THAT'S.

YEAH THAT'S ALMOST JUST, THAT'S THAT'S THE INFLATIONARY NUMBER BASICALLY. I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT.

YEAH SO WHAT DO YOU DO IF IT'S $6 A MONTH, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS AND YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER DOESN'T SHOW UP FOR ANY MEETING DURING THE MONTH, DOES HE STILL GET THE MONEY TO ME? YOU DON'T GET WELL, YOU GET YOU GET PAID. LIKE I SAID, THAT JUST COMPENSATES YOU JUST FOR THAT ONE MEETING. THAT DOESN'T COMPENSATE YOU. I MEAN, THE PER MEETING RULE, YOU MIGHT MISS A MEETING. NOT A PROBLEM. BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN TO SIX OTHERS THAT WEEK. YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST LET ME KNOW. SO I DON'T THINK TO ME, I DON'T THINK IT'S MEETING BASED. NO PLAY, NO PAY. WELL, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT. THAT IS A GOOD POINT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT

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WHERE IF YOU IF YOU SAY IF YOU MISS MORE THAN 50% OF THE MEETINGS, YOU LOSE 50% OF THE COMPENSATION. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT MIGHT BE A, THAT'S NOT SAYING IT'S ON A PER MEETING BASIS. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. RIGHT. IT'S NOT I MEAN, TO ME IT'S 500. THERE'S A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST SHOW UP. YOU STILL GET PAID IS ONE QUESTION. WELL NOT IF WE WENT TO 500 A MONTH AND A THOUSAND A MONTH. YES. YEAH YEAH. AND AGAIN NO, NOBODY'S DOING THIS TO, GET RICH OR TO GET PAID. IT'S THIS IS IF YOU MISS A MEETING NOW AND THEN IF YOU MISS A BUNCH OF MEETINGS AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS BESIDES YOUR PAY, YOU KNOW THIS. YEAH. YEAH IS IT IS THERE AN ATTENDANCE POLICY, FOR THE FOR THE MEETINGS IS THAT. I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THERE ACTUALLY, WE USED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL WAS BEHOLDEN TO THE SAME CONTENT STANDARDS AS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BUT. BUT WE COULDN'T ENFORCE IT. NO. YEAH.

YOU'RE NOT. YEAH WE'RE GETTING THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION BACK HERE. WE GOT A MEAL A MONTH AT THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS. THAT WAS OUR COMPENSATION. JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE. IT'S A LITTLE IN THE SAUCE, WE HAVE A BOARD AND COMMISSIONS ATTENDANCE POLICY THAT A BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBER HAS TO MEET A CERTAIN ATTENDANCE PERCENTAGE THAT DOESN'T EXIST FOR COUNCIL.

COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ELECTED TO SERVE. SO IF THEY MISSED EVERY MEETING, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THEIR SEAT. IT'S NEVER BEEN IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. NO, NO, IT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH, BUT I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG DO PEOPLE DON'T JUST SHOW UP RIGHT. VERY RARELY.

YEAH. OKAY AJ BROUGHT UP A GOOD QUESTION. SHE DIDN'T GET IT ANSWERED. AND IT WAS FROM THOSE THAT EITHER HAVE SERVED OR THOSE SERVING. HOW MANY HOURS PER WEEK DO YOU SPEND ON CITY BUSINESS? RENEE DO YOU REMEMBER? WELL, SOME WEEKS IT WAS 25 HOURS. IT WAS RAINY. I DID NOT FINISH WITH RAINY, SO SOMETIMES IT'S 25 HOURS. FOR A COUNCIL PERSON, IT'S 25 HOURS AND IN SOME WEEKS IT'S 10 OR 12, BUT WHAT I REALIZED WHEN I WENT OFF IS THE MENTAL ENERGY THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT IT. THAT'S THE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DRAIN FROM YOUR BRAIN. THAT'S THE AMAZING PART. YOU DIDN'T REALIZE HOW HOW, HOW MUCH OF YOUR BRAIN POWER YOU YOU WERE JUST THINKING ABOUT THE BLASTED MEETINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT WAS IT'S SO. YEAH, BUT BUT AGAIN, IT'S REALLY FROM PROBABLY 12 TO 25 DEPENDING ON THE WEEK. THE MAYOR, HE'S HE'S 60 HOURS A BLASTED WEEK. HE'S RUINED IT FOR EVERY MAYOR THAT'S GOING TO BE EVER ELECTED BECAUSE NOBODY CAN KEEP UP HIS PACE. NOBODY'S COOL. NOBODY. YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE, RAINY MIGHT BE SUING FOR EMOTIONAL DAMAGE. YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT THOUGHT. HE'S STILL TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THAT BRAIN. THAT BRAIN POWER. IT'S VERY LIMITED UP HERE ANYWAY, SO LET'S, I WOULD SAY, THOUGH, TO ANSWER A QUESTION, I AGREE. I THINK IT'S A 20, 25 HOUR A WEEK JOB FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT IT I'VE SEEN IT DEPENDS ON THE COUNCIL MEMBER. AND I'M NOT KNOCKING ANYBODY BUT BUT IF HE WAS HERE, HE'D TELL YOU THIS. BRAD WYSONG SERVED FOR I THINK SIX YEARS. AND HE WAS A PRETTY ACTIVE DOCTOR DURING THAT TIME. AND HE, HE PRETTY MUCH SAID, BRIAN, MARY, I'M COMING TO THE MEETINGS ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHTS. I WON'T BE AT ANYTHING DURING DURING A WEEKDAY, AND I'LL TRY TO HIT THE, YOU KNOW, THE EVENTS WE NEED TO GO TO ON WEEKENDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S HOW HE DID IT. YOU NEVER SAW BRAD AT A CITY COUNCIL FUNCTION, EXCEPT ONE TIME WHEN WE HAD OUR RETREAT. ONE TIME A YEAR, HE WOULD TAKE OFF AND COME TO THE RETREAT. BUT HE DIDN'T COME DURING THE WEEK OTHERWISE. SO IT DEPENDS ON THE COUNCIL MEMBER. REALLY? THAT'S TRUE. BRIAN WELL, I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH WITH THAT. I THINK THAT, AND I AGREE WITH GERALDINE. I THINK, YES, YOU PUT IN THE TIME THAT YOU CHOOSE AND WANT TO PUT IN. I MEAN, I, I WENT TO A LOT OF EVENTS BECAUSE I WANTED TO GO TO A LOT OF EVENTS, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BE AT PUBLIC EVENTS AND REPRESENT THE CITY. BUT WHAT'S NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT THAT REALLY KIND OF ALLUDED TO WITH HIS. IN FACT, IF YOU NEED A LAWYER, I KNOW A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO THE TIME YOU SPEND RESPONDING TO EMAILS AND BECAUSE THERE'S HUNDREDS OF EMAILS A DAY THAT ON DIFFERENT ISSUES AND ESPECIALLY AS YOU'RE LEADING UP TO A MEETING, ON DIFFERENT ISSUES.

AND SO WHEN YOU'RE NOT AT A MEETING, IF YOU'RE IN MY OPINION, IF YOU'RE A DILIGENT COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU'RE ALSO ANSWERING THOSE EMAILS OR TRYING TO CONNECT THEM WITH A CITY

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STAFF PERSON. AND THEN IF YOU'RE DOING THAT, THEN YOU'RE TALKING TO THE CITY STAFF PERSON AND SAYING, WELL, IF THEY CALL ME BACK, WHAT'S THE ANSWER? SO THERE'S A LOT OF THIS OUT OF MEETING TYPE WORK THAT ALSO PLAYS INTO IT. AND THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS SAID IT TO ME. IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A SECOND FULL TIME JOB, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, DRIVING AROUND LOOKING AT AT, P AND Z OR P AND Z PLANNING CASES, BEFORE A MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH A PHASE WHERE WE WOULD WE WOULD APPROVE 10 OR 12 SUBDIVISIONS IN EVERY MEETING, YOU KNOW, AND TO DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK AT THAT STUFF AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ROAD SITUATIONS WERE AND ALL THAT. SO IT IT'S REALLY HARD TO ADD UP ALL THE TIME. CHARLIE. YEAH. THE ONLY THING THAT I WILL ADD AND IT'S COME ACROSS THROUGH THE VARIOUS SPEAKERS SO FAR IS THAT COUNCILS JUST ENDS UP BEING A MIX OF OBVIOUSLY UNIQUE PEOPLE, SOME OF WHICH HAVE FULL TIME, FULL TIME JOBS THAT THEY LEGITIMATELY CANNOT SPEND A TIME WORKING IN. THEY SHOW UP IN THE EVENING AND OFTENTIMES THEY'LL SAY, PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOOD THINKERS AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, REALLY APPRECIATED BY COUNCIL.

I'VE WORKED WITH, YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH DAVID BROOKS WAS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. BUT, SO IT'S JUST IT'S OFTENTIMES IT CAN BE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AS YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, OR MAYBE YOU WANT TO SPEND MORE, BUT HOPEFULLY THERE'S ENOUGH ENERGY AND ENOUGH, COVERAGE AND ENOUGH BRAINPOWER WHEN YOU'RE AROUND THE TABLE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR THE CITY OR JUST A FACTOID. AND NO ONE HAS MENTIONED IT. AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING EITHER WAY.

BUT IN THE CURRENT POLICIES OF THE CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE COUNCIL LIAISONS, AND THEY'RE ALSO EXPECTED TO BE AT THEIR BOARD GROUPS. SO JUST ANOTHER FACT THAT NO ONE'S MENTIONED.

YEAH CURRENT COUNCIL THAT IT'S HERE TO YOU. ANYONE WANT TO WEIGH IN? MAYOR YOU'VE WEIGHED IN. ANYBODY HOURS PER WEEK. YOU SPEND AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER? NO, NOT A REQUIREMENT. JUST AN OFFER FOR YOU GUYS TO WEIGH IN. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO LET PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE TIME COMMITMENT INVOLVED IN THIS. I MEAN, YOU'RE SPENDING THE EMAILS I DIDN'T EVEN FACTOR IN. YOU KNOW, I EVEN COME UP WITH MY OWN POLICY RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE GET SO MANY EMAILS THAT IF PEOPLE RESPOND IN A GROUP LIKE TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I USUALLY PUT THOSE TO THE SIDE AND RESPOND TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE EMAILED TO ME DIRECTLY FIRST, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY THEY EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AND USUALLY IF IT'S A GROUP EMAIL, YOU KNOW, GEORGE WILL PROBABLY CHIME IN AND HE'LL EMAIL FOR THE FOR THE GROUP. YOU KNOW. BUT AS FAR AS TIMING, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING 25, 20 TO 25 HOURS EASILY A WEEK ON ON SOME WEEKS. YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAD A OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHICH, WHICH, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW, YOU YOU'RE SPENDING MAYBE 30 HOURS THAT WEEK DEALING WITH EMAILS AND JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST WANTING TO TALK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON DOWNTOWN. SO YOU KNOW, AND THE OPPORTUNITY COST.

IT'S ANOTHER FACTOR, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, GEORGE MENTIONED IT BEFORE. I THINK EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL NOW IS PRETTY WELL OFF. YOU KNOW, WHEN I WON, YOU KNOW, MY ELECTION LAST YEAR, THE FIRST THING WE HAD TO CONSIDER IS THAT THE TIME OF THIS, WE COULDN'T HAVE TWO EMPLOYED PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, MY WIFE WAS A SCHOOL TEACHER, SO THAT WAS $65,000 GONE RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

AND WE MADE THAT DECISION AS A FAMILY BECAUSE I COULDN'T DO THIS IF BOTH OF US ARE WORKING WITH KIDS. SO I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT GEORGE SAID, LIKE, WHAT IF PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION? WHAT IF THAT 65,000 IS LIKE, IT'S MEANINGFUL TO PAY YOUR RENT OR YOUR MORTGAGE, YOUR MORTGAGE AND YOU CAN'T DO IT. FORTUNATE FOR US, WE CAN WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE'LL I JUST NEED TO WORK HARDER, YOU KNOW? BUT SOME PEOPLE CAN'T DO THAT. SO THERE'S MORE THE OPPORTUNITY COST IN IN ALONG WITH THE HOURS THAT ARE WORKED I MEAN IT IS QUITE CONSIDERABLE, YOU KNOW, STRESS AND TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT IN TO DO THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MICHAEL. ANYONE ELSE? I WANT TO DO THIS, BUT I'LL JUST SAY A COUPLE THINGS. I'M GOING TO MAKE A REFER TO A JOKE THAT I MADE TO YOU YEARS AGO. FONDA AND I WERE WALKING. I SAW RAINEY, AND RAINEY SAID SOMETHING TO ME ABOUT, DO YOU THINK ABOUT RUNNING FOR COUNCIL? AND I SAID, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO. THE EXTRA $50 A MONTH. AND I WAS PROUD OF THAT JOKE, I NEVER THOUGHT I'D RUN, BUT FOR ME, IT'S I GET TONS OF COMPENSATION JUST ON THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE. AND, I'M A PERSON OF NO HOBBIES, REALLY, AND MY BUSINESS IS KIND OF MATURE, IF YOU WILL. AND SO I GET A BIG KICK OUT OF THIS AND REPLYING TO THE EMAILS, AND I TAKE THE STEWARDSHIP VERY SERIOUSLY. BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE

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I'M A BIT OF A UNICORN IN THAT WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT MADELINE, MY MIDDLE DAUGHTER, WHO WORKS FOR ME, AND SHE WORKS LIKE A RENTED MULE. AND I'VE SAID THAT A MILLION TIMES. AND SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE GIVES ME THE TIME TO DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT LOST ON ME, YOU KNOW? WHEN? SHORTLY AFTER I STARTED THIS. I'LL TELL YOU ONE STORY AND I'LL SIT DOWN. SHORTLY AFTER I STARTED DOING THIS AND I SAW, GOOD GOD, THIS IS A LOT OF WORK. AND SOMEONE CAME TO ME AND SAID, HEY, MAN, WE REALLY NEED YOU TO HELP US GET THIS POOL RENAMED AFTER GILDA GARZA. AND I DIDN'T KNOW GILDA THAT WELL, BUT IT ALWAYS STRUCK ME. AND WE DID RENAME THAT POOL AFTER ON THE EAST SIDE, HOW SHE WORKED AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. AND SHE DID THIS. NOW, I KNOW THEY WERE COOPERATIVE WITH HER TO DO THIS, BUT GILDA WAS A MAGNIFICENT REPRESENTATIVE FOR HER DISTRICT, AND I'VE THOUGHT SO MANY TIMES WHAT A BEATING IT MUST HAVE BEEN FOR HER TO TRY TO MAKE A LIVING AS A WORKING PERSON, AND YET DO THIS AND SHE'S REALLY A HERO, AND I WANT MCKINNEY TO HAVE MORE OF THOSE PEOPLE TO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES. SO IF THAT MEANS A LITTLE BIT OF A BUMP UP IN COMPENSATION, THAT'S FINE, I WOULD VERY RESPECTFULLY SAY THAT, MY OPINION ONLY, AND I'M ONE OF A MILLION THAT WHATEVER YOU DO ON THIS REGARD, LEAVE IT AS IT IS TILL 2027 SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO RUN AGAIN IN ORDER TO GET THIS. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. I'LL DO WHATEVER Y'ALL SAY. BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE CHANGE OF COMPENSATION MIDSTREAM FOR ME, SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TALK TO ME AFTER, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU.

PATRICK AND MICHAEL AND MAYOR FULLER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. ALSO, RANDY AND THAD AND CAROLYN AND BRIAN, WE APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD SAY IT WAS A 25 TO 30 HOUR OBLIGATION, THIS THIS HAS GIVEN THE GROUP SOME INSIGHT. THOSE THAT HAVEN'T SERVED ON A, ON AN ELECTIVE OFFICE ON THE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT IT'S LIKE BEING IN THE ROOM WHEN NOBODY'S WATCHING AND HOW YOU HAVE TO AS RANDY SAYS, YOUR BRAIN JUST IT CONSUMES YOU. AND IT'S REALLY BEEN GOOD INPUT FOR THE GROUP, MOST OF THE GROUP WAS QUIET, WHICH IS RARE. NO ANYONE ELSE? JOHN. YEAH SIDE WITH PATRICK HERE, I THINK MANY OF YOU KNOW, I USED TO BE A COUNCILMAN IN ANOTHER CITY. AND THERE, WHEN THE CHARTER ELECTION, THE COUNCIL COULD ACTUALLY SET ITS OWN. YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANTED TO GIVE ITSELF A RAISE, THEY COULD VOTE ON THAT. BUT WHAT THEY DID WAS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. YOU COULD NOT GIVE YOURSELF A RAISE. IT ONLY TOOK EFFECT THE NEXT TIME YOU NEXT TIME YOU WERE ELECTED, THEN YOU COULD GET THE RAISE AND IT COULD APPLY TO THE OTHERS. BUT IT THAT'S AND I THINK HE'S GOT A GOOD POINT THERE. IF YOU SAY BECAUSE THEN IT SORT OF TAKES THE STIGMA AWAY FROM OTHER COUNCILS VOTING HIMSELF A RAISE. NO THEY'RE NOT THEY WILL GET IT IF THEY IF THEY GET REELECTED. BUT THEY DON'T GET IT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE NOW. AND I WOULD THINK I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO DO IT. THAT WAY. I DISAGREE, I DISAGREE, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, JUST THE INFLATIONARY FACTOR. I'D LIKE TO JUST I JUST WAS ALWAYS SAYING I'D LIKE TO GET COMPENSATED, LIKE THEY GOT COMPENSATED IN 2001. I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU JUST DID THAT FOR LIKE THAT, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S FAIR. WHAT'S FAIR IS TO COMPENSATE THEM AT LEAST LIKE THEY THEY WERE COMPENSATED 23 YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU WAIT, THEN NOW YOU GOT AN INFLATIONARY, YOU KNOW, MORE. AND SO I, AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S JUST TWO THAT WOULDN'T BE THERE THAT ARE NOT RUNNING THIS 2 OR 3 THAT WOULD NOT BE RUNNING THAT WOULD VOTE. SO OR IT'D BE THREE. SO AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY BE BOTHERED BY GETTING AN EXTRA BECAUSE, BECAUSE REALLY YOU'RE GOING FROM 300 MAYBE TO 500. I MEAN, THAT'S A ROUNDING ERROR. THAT'S THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT WAS THAT YOU MENTIONED, 18,000 OR SOMETHING WAS DID NOT, SALARY FOR THE MAYOR THAT DID NOT PASS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE PUBLIC IS SAYING 18,000 ANNUALLY WAS A THRESHOLD OF NO. BUT WHEN WAS THAT? THAT WAS THAT WAS WAS THAT 0303 OR. OH YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT THROUGH THERE. IT WAS A CHARTER ELECTION AND THERE WAS A PUSH TO PAY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE THEY GOT PAID IN DALLAS.

AND, IT WAS A WRONG QUESTION TO ASK, IN MY OPINION. I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKES SENSE, BUT WE WERE GOING TO GO BACK THEN. WE DIDN'T EVEN GET I THINK WE GOT WE COULD MAX OUT AT 250 A MONTH AND 3000 A YEAR, AND WE WERE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT WAS THE WRONG. YEAH, IT IS. IT WAS. YEAH, IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS. AND THERE WAS A PUSH TO

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DO IT AND SO, SO REALLY THE ISSUE IS WHAT DO WE THINK THE VOTERS WOULD, WOULD BE OKAY WITH. AND AGAIN YOU YOU GO TO REASONABLE WHAT'S REASONABLE FROM WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW TO YOU KNOW GOING GOING THAT AND TO ME IT'S MAYBE 500 FOR THE COUNCIL, MAYBE 850 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE, FOR THE MAYOR . THAT'S. NO, IT DOESN'T COMPENSATE THEM AT ALL. BUT AT LEAST IT'S SOMETHING IT'S AT LEAST WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO WHAT WE GOT. THE OTHER GUYS GOT PAID BACK IN 2001. YEAH. I MEAN, ANY MORE THAN THAT AND I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE FIGHTING AN UPHILL BATTLE. I THINK WE'RE OKAY. I THINK A, A GOOD NUMBER IS 1000 FOR THE MAYOR AND 500 FOR THE, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I WOULD EVEN BE OKAY WITH 750 FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT RANDY MAKES A GOOD POINT. AND BUT I THINK A THOUSAND FOR THE MAYOR, BECAUSE I CAN PROMISE YOU, I'VE WATCHED 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT MAYORS WHEN I'VE SERVED, AND THEY SPEND THE TIME AND THE BUT BUT THIS IS THE OTHER THING. YOU CANNOT RAISE THE THIS AND EXTEND, TERMS IN TERMS OF TERM LIMITS. YEAH. YOU CAN'T AFFECT THAT BECAUSE IF YOU SAY, OH, WELL, WE WANT THEM TO SERVE LONGER AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO COMPENSATE THEM MORE. THEY'RE JUST GOING TO LOOK AT THE COUNCIL LIKE, YEAH, THEY'RE JUST WANTING MORE MONEY. AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR THEIRSELVES A RAISE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK YOU'D BE VERY WISE FROM THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING. YES. YOU COULDN'T DO AWAY WITH TERM LIMITS ON THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THEM A RAISE AND DO AWAY WITH TERM LIMITS SO SOMEBODY CAN RUN. YEAH. RUN FOREVER. EVEN THOUGH IT'S THIS MUCH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST THIS MUCH. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SAY YOU'RE DOING IT FOR THE MONEY.

EXACTLY $12,000. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, I WILL SAY THIS, BUT IS THAT NOT A FACTOR ON IT? INFLATION FACTOR. YES YEAH. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS EVEN IF WE START LOWER IT WILL CATCH UP. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT I WOULD, I WOULD PROBABLY GO RATHER THAN THE 750 I THINK.

I MEAN THAT'S YEAH THAT'S FINE WISE FOR THE TWO TIMES I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M GOOD WITH THE 500. I DO THINK THE 1000 MAKES SENSE. DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A PROBLEM? BECAUSE NOW WE'RE DOING IT $50 A MEETING AND THEY DON'T GET PAID IF THEY MISS A MEETING. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE IT AND JUST SAY COME WHEN YOU YOU KNOW, NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT ATTENDANCE. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? I WOULD HOPE NOT BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S 25 OTHER MEETINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO IN THAT MONTH THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING COMPENSATED FOR OR NOT, MAYBE NOT 25, BUT THERE'S AT LEAST TEN. THERE'S AT LEAST TEN MEETINGS A MONTH THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING COMPENSATED FOR. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEM WITH GOING UP PER MEETING AND LEAVING THAT THERE? I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IF WE'RE TRYING TO IF WE'RE TRYING TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT THAT THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BUY INTO WHAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM WITH SAYING LEAVING THAT ON THERE AS FAR AS IF YOU DON'T COME, YOU DON'T GET PAID. BUT WHAT WE MIGHT DO AND WHAT I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE OTHER THIS IS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT IS JUST SAYING, EVERY TIME THEY GO TO A MEETING, YOU GET COMPENSATED. NOT JUST THE TWO, NOT JUST THE FOUR. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, JUST SAY, OKAY, THEY WENT TO THEY WERE THE LIAISON THERE. THEY THEY, THEY GET COMPENSATED FOR THAT. WELL THAT THAT'S I AGREE I THINK THAT'S A REASON TO DO IT. THE OTHER WAY. LAST TUESDAY. YEAH, I WENT TO SOME MOTION.

WELL NO I'D HAVE TO BE HERE IN THE, YOU KNOW, A CITY FUNCTION IN, IN THE CITY HALL, BUT, BUT AND THEN, AND THEN IT'S I CAN REMEMBER BRIAN TALKED ABOUT GOING TO THE FAA AND HE DID A LOT. WE WERE DOING A LOT WITH THE AIRPORT AT THAT TIME. AND HE WOULD MISS A COUNCIL MEETING TO GO TO A MEETING IN WASHINGTON FOR THE FAA OR GET BACK LATE AND MISS IT. AND, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY YOU, BRIAN, FOR THAT MEETING YOU MISSED BECAUSE YOU WERE IN WASHINGTON REPRESENTING US. I THINK YOU I THINK WE JUST GIVE THEM A NUMBER PER MONTH. AND IT'S REAL SIMPLE FOR EVERYBODY. I AGREE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 20 GRAND, 30 GRAND A YEAR FOR THESE GUYS THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO SHOW UP. BUT WITH THIS KIND OF MONEY, WE I THINK WE JUST FIX THEM BECAUSE I THINK THE CELL WAS RIGHT NOW EACH COUNCILMAN EARNS ABOUT 3000, A LITTLE OVER 3000 OR $300 A MONTH. WE'RE GOING TO $500.

THAT'S IT. I MEAN, NOBODY SHOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. AND THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, FROM 51 TO, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN SAY, WELL, RATHER THAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE SHOWS UP FOR THE MEETING AND GETS CAUGHT, WE I THINK WE TALK ABOUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE RAISED IT IN TEN YEARS BECAUSE IT WAS, WASN'T IT, 14, MR. HAUSER? YES TEN YEARS A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW,

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HUNDRED BUCKS. GREAT, GREAT DIALOG AND GREAT INPUT IN THIS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S READY TO KIND OF MOVE ON AND LET. TREVOR, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP AND GET US IF WE CAN TIE THIS UP? I HAD A QUESTION, TREVOR ACTUALLY, WHEN WE PRESENT ALL OF THIS, ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE PUT ON, TO BE ELECTED, TO BE WHAT IS IT? VOTED ON, ARE THEY ALL GOING TO BE PRESENTED ALL OF THESE CHANGES AS A PACKAGE OR WILL THEY BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY? SO I'LL PARSE A FEW THINGS OUT THERE, THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY ON THAT JULY 23RD DATE, THE COUNCIL MAKES THE DECISION ABOUT WHAT HITS THE BALLOT. SO TO USE MAYOR FULLER'S JOKE, THEY COULD DECIDE TO SAY $1 MILLION MEETING, AND PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT. NOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF IT'S SIMILAR TO BOND COMMITTEES, THEY WILL TAKE MOSTLY THEY'LL TAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR ADVISEMENT, AND THEN THEY'LL PLACE WHAT THEY SEE FIT ON THE BALLOT. AND THAT'S THEIR ROLE. IT WILL BE LAID OUT, THROUGH CONSULTATION WITH OUR ATTORNEYS AS SEPARATE PROPOSITIONS. SO SIMPLY PUT AND THERE ARE NO PROMISES HERE BECAUSE WE STILL WOULD HAVE TO PARSE THROUGH LANGUAGE. YOU WOULD HAVE A PROPOSITION ABOUT TERMS OR YOU'D HAVE A PROPOSITION ABOUT COMPENSATION OR ETC. ETC, THE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE GOING TO CHANGE THE PROPOSITION OR CHANGE THE COMPENSATION OF COUNCIL, I BELIEVE THEY WOULD SHOW WHAT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE SAYS AND WHAT THE NEW OR EXCUSE ME, THEY WOULD JUST PUT WHAT THE NEW LANGUAGE SAYS AND SAY, DO YOU VOTE IN AFFIRMATIVE OR AGAINST THIS AND SAY FOR OR AGAINST? AND THAT'S THE SAME FOR THE OTHER FOCUS AREAS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THROUGHOUT THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A TALKING POINT YET, BUT WHAT WILL BE THE THRESHOLD TO DETERMINE WHAT YIELDS ARE RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS GROUP, LIKE WHAT TYPE OF MAJORITY OR CONSENSUS? JUST A SO THE YOU KNOW, WE KEEP GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND RE RE RE RE DISCUSSING. WE'LL DO THAT AGAIN AT THE OUR LAST MEETING, THE JULY 10TH MEETING. YEAH. THE GOAL OF THE SCHEDULE HAS BEEN TO COME TO THAT MEETING WITH A CONSENSUS FOR EVERYONE TO PUSH THE BUTTON WITH WHEREVER YOU ARE. AND THEN WE SEE WHERE THE CHIPS FALL. SO THE GOAL IS THAT JULY 10TH MEETING WE APRIL WHEN IT COMES TOGETHER AND SAYS, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE IF WE NEED ANOTHER MEETING, IF THE GROUP IS ALL OVER THE MAP, SO TO SPEAK, WE COULD MAYBE WORK ONE MORE IN, BUT THE GOAL OF THE SCHEDULE HAS BEEN THAT JULY 10TH MEETING. WE THAT'S THE ONE WHERE WE MAKE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

CAN WE DO A CALL OUT TO ASK FOR ATTENDANCE, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT WHO WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE HERE ON THE 10TH. YEAH. WE TRIED TO SEND SOME, YOU KNOW, SOFT REMINDERS TO FOLKS. MY INTENT FROM THE STAFF SIDE IS THAT JULY 10TH IS REALLY GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM ME EVERY OTHER DAY, PROBABLY. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT IN ADVANCE. WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE IF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL MEETING TO VOTE, WE'RE REALLY PUTTING OUR LAST, YOU KNOW, INPUT IN FOR 14 OF US TO DECIDE FOR 21 OF US. YEAH THANK YOU. MADE THAT JUST AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SEEMS TO ME ON THIS ISSUE WE KICK THIS AROUND PRETTY GOOD. WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS TODAY AND PUT IT DOWN AND CALL THE QUESTION. AND THEN SEE, SEE WHERE IF WE CAN. I MEAN, I'M CLOSE RANGE SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE IN 1000, I THINK WE MIGHT TURN YOUR MIC ON. YEP. THANK YOU BRIAN. YOU SAYING 501,000? I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. I THINK WE OUGHT TO SEE WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. AND IF WE IF WE ALL LIKE IT OR A BIG PERCENTAGE OF US LIKE IT, LET'S PUT IT DOWN AND GO ON AND NOT COME BACK TO IT AND WE'LL COME BACK THE LAST DAY. AND IF SOMEBODY THAT WASN'T HERE TONIGHT SAYS, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, I'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT, LET THEM TALK AND WE CAN VOTE AGAIN IF WE HAVE TO. I LIKE DOUBLING IT. SO RIGHT NOW THE MAYOR IS MAKING US A MEASLY 250 A MONTH. I WOULD DOUBLE THAT TO 500 AND JUST MAKE IT A LINE ITEM LIKE THESE OTHERS WHERE IT'S JUST PER MONTH, NO STIPEND, NO CELL PHONE, AND THEN, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO DOUBLE THEIRS AS WELL, THEY'RE GETTING 150 A MONTH IF I READ THAT RIGHT, OR IT'S A MEETING, I'M MINE SAYS MONTH. YEAH. YOU PRINTED A OLD COPY. AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD A COUPLE ERRORS. I WOULD DOUBLE WHATEVER THEY'RE MAKING NOW. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD START. AND I WOULD JUST MAKE IT A LINE ITEM. MAYOR GETS DISMISSED A MONTH. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS GET THIS MUCH A MONTH. NO STIPEND, NO CELL PHONE. JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE. AND THEN WHEN

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YOU IF YOU DO ROLL IT OUT TO THE VOTERS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EDUCATE THEM BECAUSE MOST OF THEM DO THINK THEY HONESTLY THINK THE MAYOR MAKES LIKE 150,000 A YEAR. AND THAT'S NO JOKE. THEY THINK THAT THEY THINK THIS IS HIS FULL TIME JOB. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT DOUBLING THAT, THAT'S 30, 39, THAT'S 70. YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S OVER $7,000. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $6,000.

SO WE'RE NOT EVEN DOUBLING IT. WELL, DOUBLE WHATEVER IT IS. IT'S THAT I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE TO START. JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE LINE ITEM, LINE ITEM, DOUBLE IT. AND THEN I ALSO LIKE YOUR IDEA OF THE INFLATION FACTOR SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS ALL THE TIME. SO THAT'S THAT'D BE A STARTING POINT. BUT WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO I THINK I THINK WE'RE CLOSE. I WOULD THROW OUT AGAIN $1,000 A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR, 560 $500 A MONTH FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER. ALL OF IT. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE CPI INCREASE EVERY FOUR YEARS, MA'AM . I'M SORRY. I'M GONNA LEAVE IT OFF. I'M SORRY. OH, I APPRECIATE IT. THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR AND 500 A MONTH FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. SOUNDS GOOD. YEAH, PLUS A CPI INCREASE EVERY FOURTH YEAR OR SOMETHING. I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE THRESHOLD OF ANY IDEA WHAT WOULD TURN INTO A RECOMMENDATION? NOT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I THINK WE'RE CLOSE, SO I'M GOOD ON MY TOPICS. OKAY. SO YEAH, WHAT IF SOMETHING IS CLOSE? WHAT WHAT IF WE GET TO. YEAH WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I'M IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. CHAIRMAN, I INTERJECT. I'D RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL, SO FOR I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE IS A LACK OF CONSENSUS AROUND ANYTHING THAT THAT LACK OF CONSENSUS IS SHARED BACK TO THE COUNCIL DURING THE RECOMMENDATION WORK SESSION, BECAUSE THAT'S GOOD KNOWLEDGE FOR THEM TO HAVE IT. I'M SURE THEY'VE ALL WATCHED THE MEETINGS AND THEY COULD SEE THE HISTORY OF THAT, BUT IT'S GOOD KNOWLEDGE FOR THEM TO HAVE ON THE FLOOR DURING THE WORK SESSION. IF THERE'S FOUR ITEMS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED AND THE FOURTH ITEM OR THE THIRD ITEM, THERE'S NO CLEAR CONSENSUS THAT MY, SPIDER SENSE WOULD BE THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD KNOW THAT. I SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK THAT I'VE BEEN LISTENING. I THINK THERE'S GENERAL AGREEMENT HERE THAT DOING IT BY THE LET'S JUST SAY DO IT X DOLLARS A MONTH, WHATEVER X IS, GET AWAY FROM YES MEETING. I AGREE, I THINK WE PROBABLY COULD GET AN AGREEMENT. IT'LL BE SO MUCH A MONTH. NOW, WHETHER WE CAN AGREE ON THE AMOUNT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. I THINK. I SUSPECT WE CAN, BUT YEAH, MY RECOMMENDATION IS A PER MONTH NUMBER. HALF OF IT'S THERE . I THINK WE CAN DO I THINK THE MONTHLY THING IS A NO BRAINER. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THAT AS WELL, I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT WE WHEN WE'RE PRESENTING, WE NOT DO IT ON PERCENTAGES AS WE'VE TALKED, BECAUSE WITH SUCH A SMALL GROUP OF 21 OF US, A 9 TO 7 VOTE WITH FIVE PEOPLE NOT VOTING LOOKS LIKE A BIG DECISION, LIKE SOMEBODY HAS MADE JUST BECAUSE IT'S 68 TO, YOU KNOW, 32. BUT IT'S ONE VOTE HERE OR THERE. SO IF WE DO IT ON A VOTE COUNT VERSUS A PERCENTAGE, I THINK THAT WOULD REFLECT IT MORE ACCURATELY. SURE OKAY. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO WRAP UP HERE, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS. SO THE INTENT, AS WAS MENTIONED FOR JULY 10TH IS SINCE WE WON'T HAVE A ROBUST AMOUNT OF DATA TO GO THROUGH, IS TO REALLY COALESCE AROUND THOSE THRESHOLD QUESTION ITEMS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A FEW TIMES AND THE BEST MANNER WHETHER IT'S GOING THROUGH A SLIDO EXERCISE AGAIN OR WHETHER IT'S A HAND VOTE WHERE FOLKS ARE REALLY STANDING BEHIND WHAT THEIR POSITION IS, AND DISCUSSING THAT THROUGH ROBUST CONVERSATION OVER THE COURSE OF THE TWO HOUR MEETING NEXT TIME, THAT'S THE INTENT. IF WE GET TO OUR TIME LIMIT OR IT GETS LATE IN THE EVENING AND THERE'S STILL SOME ITEMS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING, AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, WE'RE HAPPY TO FACILITATE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS BETWEEN THE 10TH AND THE 23RD, BUT THAT'S AT THE WILL OF THIS COMMISSION, AND STAFF WILL BE HERE TO SUPPORT THAT. I WILL, I WILL ADD, WE'LL HAVE ONE SLIDE, MAYBE TWO ON JUST THE GENERAL CLEANUP ITEMS THAT WE'VE, FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, HAVE BEEN NOODLING OVER FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. DON'T NECESSARILY INTEND FOR YOU ALL TO TEAR THOSE APART AND THINK THROUGH THOSE YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO IF WE WANT TO SPEND THE TIME ON IT, BUT THOSE ARE GENERAL. JUST CLEAN UP ITEMS THAT STAFF, AS WE HAVE CHARTER AMENDMENTS AND POTENTIAL FOR CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTIONS. WE ALWAYS WANT TO CLEAN SOME THINGS UP THAT WEREN'T THERE TEN YEARS AGO. YES, MA'AM. MAKES SENSE. THIS QUESTION IS FOR OUR CHAIR. YEAH, SO WE KIND OF DID THIS. SO WE HAVE THESE DIFFERENT AREAS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT WE'RE TASKED TO CONSIDER SO

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SURROUNDING, LENGTH OF TERM. DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS OF BILL ON LENGTH OF TERM, OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE. NO, I THINK WE'VE ELIMINATED, TWO YEAR, TWO YEAR TERMS. WE'VE GOT MORE WORK TO DO ON THAT. YEAH, WE'VE GOT MORE TO DO THERE. NUMBER OF TERMS. WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO. ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE BEEN REHASHING AND GOING BACK POSITION THE SAME, COMPOSITION. YEAH. COMPENSATION COMP COMPOSITION. WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS, BUT WE DIDN'T FORCE THE QUESTION. RIGHT SO IT FEELS LIKE IN THE ROOM, ALTHOUGH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ANECDOTAL THAT WE HAVE A PRETTY REASONABLE CONSENSUS AMONG US ON THAT. ON OUR LAST ITEM ON COMPENSATION.

YES. SO DO YOU THINK THE NEXT, THE NEXT MEETING WILL WE SPEND, WILL WE GO BACK AND OR SHOULD DO YOU IS THERE ANY HOMEWORK TO BE DONE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN BY INDIVIDUAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS? WHAT SHOULD WE BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS? YOU'RE WELCOME TO TALK TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND GATHER INFORMATION TO HELP YOU GET TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE WITH WHATEVER INPUT YOU WANT TO OFFER. YEAH, BUT, KIM BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. IF WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY HERE, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A LOT BETTER, THE SCHEDULES ARE DIFFICULT. EVERYBODY HAS THE SCHEDULE, YOU NEED TO BE HERE ON THE 10TH AND ENCOURAGE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO BE HERE AS WELL. AND YES, IF THERE IS AN ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE ARE STILL NOT THERE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. IT SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. I'M NOT A FAN OF EXTRA MEETINGS AT ALL, SO IF WE CAN GET IT KNOCKED OUT ON THE 10TH WITH EVERYBODY'S INPUT BY THE MEETING. WE GET WHY CAN WE MAKE THIS AMENDMENT, THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT HERE, IF WE CAN GET IT KNOCKED OUT IN THAT NEXT MEETING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YES SIR, I THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE TO THINK THAT WE CAN. WE HADN'T EVEN TALKED ALREADY ABOUT TWO OF THE ITEMS. AND WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT THE TERM LIMITS, I MISSED THE FIRST MEETING, BUT SINCE THAT, WE HADN'T TALKED HARDLY AT ALL ABOUT WHETHER THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING AWAY WITH THE TERM LIMITS OR WHAT WOULD, IF WE NEED TO ADJUST THEM OR WHATEVER THE OTHER DEAL ABOUT CHANGING THE CHARTER TO AND HAD MORE DISTRICTS AND, THE ISSUES LIKE THAT, I THINK AT LEAST WHEN WE WERE ON COUNCIL THAT WE HIRED PEOPLE TO ADVISE THE COUNCIL OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO, LIKE REDISTRICTING. OKAY YOUR POPULATION HAS GROWN HERE, AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT, MOVING THOSE LINES AROUND TO GET MORE EQUAL COVERAGE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL INTENDED.

MAYOR, YOU'RE HERE, AND I I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WHAT WAS THE COUNCIL'S INTENT? THEY WANT A COMMITTEE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, WHICH WE USED TO HIRE PROFESSIONALS TO ADVISE THE COUNCIL ON. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCIL, ON THAT, I WOULD SAY, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE TREVOR HAD SOMETHING HE WAS GOING TO SAY. YOU KNOW, THIS GOT BROUGHT AND DECISION TO HAVE A COMMITTEE WAS BROUGHT BY A NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS. NOT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'LL BE CANDID. IF YOU'RE ASKING ME FROM ME. YEAH, I'M ASKING YOU. YOU'RE THE LEADER. YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T CONSIDER MYSELF QUALIFIED, I DON'T HAVE THE ANALYTICAL DATA I DON'T HAVE. I'M NOT IN THE PROFESSION OF ANALYZING POPULATIONS AND DISTRICTS AND ALL THAT, SO I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE TAKING THAT ON FOR ME. SO MAYBE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMITTEE HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES THAN I AND FEEL THEY'RE, CAPABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR ME, THAT ONE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING I WOULD REALLY BE LEANING ON A I KNOW WHAT MY VOTE WILL BE WHEN WE VOTE ON IT. I WILL BE LOOKING ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE TO GO TO A PROFESSIONAL THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT. THAT THAT UNDERSTANDS ALL THE DYNAMICS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MINORITY MAJORITY DISTRICTS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED AND POPULATION TRENDS WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, WHERE THEY'RE GOING, HOW OFTEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. SO ME PERSONALLY, NOT I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR COUNCIL. I, I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED SOME OUTSIDE EXPERTISE IN. IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT AN EMOTIONAL DECISION OR A, IT'S JUST A DATA

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DRIVEN DECISION THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYONE I'LL JUST SAY TO ME, I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT DECISION BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE DATA, THE SKILL SET, THE EXPERTISE, THE EXPERIENCE, THE ANYTHING. BUT I KNOW THERE'S GROUPS THAT DO JUST LIKE OUR REDISTRICTING CONSULTANT WHO THAT WAS. YEAH. THE ONLY THING I'D SAY IS THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS NOTWITHSTANDING, IS IF THERE WAS A SITUATION TO WHERE ADDITIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR CURRENT COUNCIL COMPOSITION CHANGED. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY WE STAYED AT SEVEN, BUT ONE OF THE LARGEST WENT TO A DISTRICT. WE WOULD 100% HAVE TO REDISTRICT, REDRAW LINES, BRING IN MR. SEAQUIST TO HELP US THROUGH THE LAST REDISTRICTING PROCESS. IF WE ADDED DISTRICTS, THERE WOULD BE THAT PROCESS WOULD GO FORWARD TO AND IT TAKES SOME TIME. I THINK DURING THE LAST REDISTRICTING PROCESS, WE ROUGHLY WERE RIGHT AT NINE MONTHS, MAYBE 12 MONTHS TO GET FROM BEGINNING TO END.

AND THERE USUALLY FOLLOW THE CENSUS NUMBERS COMING OUT. WHAT HIS QUESTION WAS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE TO HIM? ARE WE GOING TO USE OUR ADVICE OR PROFESSIONALS? NOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S TALKING. HE'S NOT ASKING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN IT HAPPENS, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE VOTED ON. SURE. SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. AND I THINK IT'S I MEAN, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. LIKE LIKE THE COUNCIL GETS FROM ANY COMMITTEE. CORRECT. THEY CAN EITHER LOOK AT THAT AND JUST SAY, YEAH, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO FOLLOW ANY OF THIS AND, AND TOSS IT. HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T.

AND THEY'LL LOOK AT SOME AND THE OTHERS. THEY'RE GOING TO GO FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN I SAID THERE'S NOT A COUNCILMAN UP THERE THAT WANT TWO MORE COUNCILMEN. I PROBABLY THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A ONE THAT'S GOING TO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE SAY. THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH ONE TO SELL TO THE COUNCIL. AND SO BUT BUT WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES. WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS COMMITTEE AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, IF I MAY, THE ONLY REASON I WAS MENTIONING THAT IS IT. WELL, STAFF IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE PRESUMPTION TO GO AND REDRAW DISTRICT LINES BY ANY STRETCH. BUT THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. SO THAT THAT BUILT GO AHEAD. I WOULD THINK THAT THIS COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROFESSIONAL LEGAL COUNCILS TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO. ALL DISTRICTS AND ALL THAT. THAT'S THAT'S A BIG DECISION FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. THAT'S IN OUR RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S FOR THE COUNCIL. WELL, THEN WHY ARE WE MEETING THEN? I THINK IT SHOULD BE. WE ARE CITIZENS AND THIS IS WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. WE NEED TO EXTEND THIS COMMITTEE THEN FOR ABOUT 2 OR 3 MORE MONTHS. NO, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THEN THEN WE REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT WE DECIDE. NO THAT'S NOT TRUE. THE COUNCIL CARES. WELL, IF WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE FACTS, THAT WOULD DICTATE WHETHER WE NEED MORE DISTRICTS OR NOT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO I THINK. WHAT EXCUSE ME , CHARLIE, FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT I THINK WHAT I HEARD, BRIAN, SAY TO YOUR QUESTION IS, YES, HE WOULD DEFER TO PROFESSIONALS. I THINK THIS COMMITTEE CAN SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE RECOMMEND. OR WE CAN SAY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, WE DON'T HAVE A CONSENSUS OR WE WOULD RECOMMEND COUNCIL GOING DOWN, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL TAKING THIS ON WITH THE PROFESSIONALS TO COME TO SOME AGREEMENT AND OFFER NO OPINION. BUT I THINK I THINK WE CAN DO ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE. AND I THINK YOU BRING UP A REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU BRING UP A REALLY LEGITIMATE QUESTION SO WE DON'T HAVE TO. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO ASK RONNIE. RONNIE, YOU WERE AT THAT FIRST MEETING, WEREN'T YOU? DID Y'ALL THE WHOLE MEETING TALK ABOUT TERM LIMITS? YEAH, PRETTY MUCH. SO ARE WE EVER GOING TO GET BACK INTO THAT? BECAUSE I WAS ASKED TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE. I THOUGHT THE COMMITTEE WAS BASIC AND IT MUCH TO MY MISUNDERSTANDING, WAS OVER THE TERM LIMITS. AND I WASN'T AT THE FIRST MEETING. SO WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT IT VERY LITTLE. SO THAT THAT COMES THROUGH THE CULMINATION OF, I GUESS, THE NEXT MEETING IS WHEN AND EVERYTHING KIND OF GETS OUT IN THE OPEN AND WE CAN TALK AND DISCUSS WHATEVER WE NEED TO. YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THE, THE MEETING OF THAT FIRST MEETING TO KIND OF SEE HOW WHAT THINGS WERE SAID AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I THINK IT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. WE HAD WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL. THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL COME UP HERE AND THE SAME GUY THAT HELPS US ALL DO ALL THE REDISTRICTING. HE WAS HERE AND HE EXPLAINED A LOT OF STUFF TO US. SO THAT'S THE PROFESSIONAL THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO YES, WE'VE HAD A PROFESSIONAL. WAS IT THAT WAS THE LAST MEETING, NOT THE TERM, NOT THE TERM LIMITS. THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST MEETING WAS TERM LIMITS. THE LAST MEETING WITH THE DISTRICT. THE LAST MEETING WAS THE PROFESSIONAL GUY THAT CAME, THE GUY THAT HELPS US DO ALL OF OUR REDISTRICTING. SO HE, HE HE HELPED EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, AND I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY COUNCIL'S

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INTENTION IS TO TAKE OUR OPINION AND REPLACE IT FOR THE OPINION OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, BUT IT IS A FACTOR IN DETERMINING POLICY AND DECISION. SO WE AREN'T REDISTRICTING. I DON'T THINK THE CITY COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR OUR OPINION ON REDISTRICTING WITH THAT IN MIND. BUT TO SAY, WHAT DO THE PEOPLE THINK IS MORE OF THE QUESTION THAT IS POSED TO US? IN MY MIND, I CERTAINLY DID NOT BECOME A REDISTRICTING IN THIS PROCESS, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE ASKED ME TO DO THAT. I AT LEAST I HOPE NOT. SORRY OKAY. BUT HAVEN'T WE LEARNED A LOT? WE HAVE. OH YEAH. I'M. YEAH, I'M HALF A REDISTRICTING NOW AT BEST, BUT YEAH, YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER FEEDBACK. ALL RIGHT. IT IS ALMOST 8:00. TREVOR. OUR NEXT MEETING, JULY 10TH. WE WILL GO BACK AND REVISIT ALL OF THE TOPICS THAT WE'RE CHARGED WITH. ANYTHING ELSE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Jun 26, 2024 Charter Review Commission

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