Jul 10, 2024 Charter Review Commission

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RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, WE ARE GOING TO GET STARTED WITH OUR

[NOTICE OF POTENTIAL QUORUM of the City Council and / or various Boards & Commissions of the City of McKinney, Texas]

LISTEN, THERE'S BEEN A THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO EXTEND THIS FOR ANOTHER SIX MEETINGS. IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. HEY WE WANT WE WANT A SECOND. YEAH AS AS IN EVERY MEETING. START BY REALLY THANKING YOU AND TRULY THANKING YOU FOR PUTTING IN THE TIME YOU ALL HAVE. NOW, THIS IS THE FOURTH MEETING. COUPLE HOURS A NIGHT. I KNOW IT'S GONE EVEN LATER THAN THAT, SO YOU'VE INVESTED A LOT OF TIME. TO PROVIDE A SERVICE THAT WE'VE ASKED YOU TO PROVIDE. AND YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU CARE ABOUT THE CITY. YOU CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, YOU CARE ABOUT ITS FUTURE, AND WE GREATLY, GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. SO I THINK, TONIGHT YOU'LL BE DECIDING ON RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL. YOU WILL THEY WILL BE PRESENTED TO US ON THE 23RD. RIGHT ON THE 23RD. AND, LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT THEY ARE. WE CERTAINLY WILL TAKE ALL OF THEM WITH, UNDERSTANDING THE DEEP THOUGHT, CONSIDERATION AND DUE DILIGENCE THAT WENT INTO IT. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS THE 2024 CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING. SESSION NUMBER FOUR. IT IS WEDNESDAY, JULY. THE 10TH AT 6:03 P.M. THAT CLOCK IS FAST. TREVOR, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US A RECAP OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN? PLEASE, SIR. HAPPY TO, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION WILL FEEL LIKE GROUNDHOG DAY. IT'S KIND OF THE SAME INFORMATION YOU ALL HAVE SEEN.

EACH MEETING. SO HERE'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. IS JULY 10TH. THE HOMEWORK THAT WE HAVE BEFORE WE REVIEW THE SURVEY RESULTS IS REALLY JUST TALKING THROUGH WHAT THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS ARE THAT THE STAFF WILL BE RECOMMENDING ON THE 23RD TO THE COUNCIL. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, BUT THEY'RE FAIRLY STANDARD, STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU'LL SEE IS JUST THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY. I'LL READ THROUGH THOSE AND THEN THE TIME WILL BE YOURS. THERE'S A SHORT SECTION ABOUT WHAT THE CHARGE OF THE COMMISSION IS. AND I THINK CHAIRMAN COX IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THE UPSIDE. THE WEBSITE REALLY THE ONLY UPDATE IS NOW THIS PRESENTATION IS ON THERE. BUT THE MEETING VIDEO PRESENTATION AND AGENDA FROM THEND PREVIOUS MEETING, AS ALWAYS A REMINDER THESE WERE THE MAIN FOCUS AREAS FROM THAT RESOLUTION THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED. CREATING THIS COMMISSION FOCUSING ON TERMS COMPOSITION, COMPENSATION. AND THEN AGAIN, THOSE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS SHOULD ONE HAVE BUBBLED UP OVER THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION OR THE STAFF ITEMS THAT I'LL GO OVER VERY SHORTLY? IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE WEBSITE AGAIN, IT'S THERE, OR YOU CAN JUST SEARCH. MCKINNEY 2024 CHARTER COMMISSION. SO THE TWO MISCELLANEOUS CHARTER AMENDMENTS ARE IN RELATION TO ERRORS, MISSPELLINGS, ETC, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEONE SPELLED ENGINEER INCORRECTLY OR PERHAPS THE WORD PREFERENCE WAS SPELLED INCORRECTLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, IN A PRESENTATION, WE WOULD GO CLEAN THAT UP ONCE IT WAS FOUND AND THEN THE SECOND IS IN REGARDS TO RELEVANCY. THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S FROM THE 1980S THAT WAS JUST NEVER FOUND IN A CHARTER CLEANUP THAT THE CITY NO LONGER DOES OR ISN'T LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO, OR JUST ISN'T STANDARD PRACTICE AT ALL FOR THE BUSINESS THAT WE OPERATE. THERE ON EVERY CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT'S BEEN PUT BEFORE THE VOTERS, I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD THESE TWO ITEMS. THEY'RE FAIRLY STANDARD ACROSS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THE PRACTICE THAT WE HAVE. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE TWO. YEAH YES, PLEASE, HOW ARE THESE, AMENDMENTS PACKAGED? ARE THEY ALL ONE ITEM? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THESE TWO ITEMS IN PARTICULAR, THEY WOULD BE PROPOSITIONS. YES. NO. AND THEN IT LOOKED JUST LIKE THAT. IT WOULD SAY SHALL THE CITY CHARTER BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. A VOTER WOULD RESPOND YES OR NO. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A SECOND PROPOSITION AND IT WOULD SAY, SHALL THE CITY CHARTER BE AMENDED TO DELETE PROVISIONS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THEY'D RESPOND, YES OR NO. THE ITEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER, IN THE SAME WAY, SHALL X HAPPEN WITH THE CHARTER IN RELATION TO TERMS? YES NO. SHALL X HAPPEN IN RELATION TO COMPOSITION? YES NO. SHALL X HAPPEN IN RELATION TO COMPENSATION? YES NO. I WILL MENTION IF THERE IS ANY DETAIL THAT SUPPORTS THAT STANDARD QUESTION. IT'S INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE THAT IS

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IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THE MISCELLANEOUS CHARTER AMENDMENTS, WHICH I DIDN'T IMAGINE THAT THERE WOULD BE, I'M HAPPY TO BURN THROUGH THE SURVEY RESULTS. OKAY, I THINK I HAVE JUST A LITTLE KICK TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, BILL ASKED ME TO ADD IN THE RESOLUTION CHARGE. THAT WAS IN THAT MAY RESOLUTION WHERE THE COUNCIL CREATED THIS COMMISSION. JUST SO YOU ALL ARE, CAN SEE IT IN TEXT. SECTION NINE MENTIONED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS THE COMMISSION SHALL COMPLETE ITS REVIEW AND MAKE A FINAL WRITTEN REPORT. NO LESS THAN 5000 WORDS. REGARDING ANY RECOMMENDED REVISION? NO, NOT IT WILL BE THE REPORT THAT THE CHAIRMAN OR THE VICE CHAIR GIVES ON THE 23RD, AND THEN WE DO HAVE THAT SCHEDULED FOR THE 23RD. BUT I'LL KICK THAT OVER TO YOU, MR. COX, UNLESS YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. OKAY. LET'S GO THROUGH. YEP. SO I'VE BROKEN THESE UP INTO THE THREE SEPARATE AREAS BEGINNING WITH TERMS. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE STYLE MATCHES THE SLIDESHOW STYLE THAT YOU ALL INTERACTED WITH LIVE DURING THE VARIOUS MEETINGS. SO FOR INSTANCE, ON MEETING NUMBER ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT TERMS. YOU DID A SLIDESHOW EXERCISE. THE PHRASING OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE EITHER EXACTLY THE SAME OR EXTREMELY SIMILAR. THESE WERE THE SURVEY RESULTS. I'LL ALSO MENTION JUST FROM A STATS PERSPECTIVE, 21 OUT OF 21 MEMBERS RESPONDED ON TERMS AND COMPENSATION. 20 OUT OF 21 MEMBERS RESPONDED ON COMPOSITIO, AND THE MEMBER THAT DIDN'T RESPOND MADE A COMMENT THAT THEY JUST FELT THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO RESPOND.

SO EACH QUESTION, THE PREFERENCE FOR A MEMBER REGARDING TERM LIMITS FOR THE COUNCIL OR MAYOR.

11 MEMBERS SAID NO TERM LIMITS OR NOT, TERM LIMITS, AND TEN SAID TERM LIMITS. PREFERENCE FOR SERVICE PAUSE PERIOD. THAT'S THAT GAP YEAR OR GAP YEARS, PREFERENCE FOR A SERVICE PAUSE PERIOD. 14 WERE IN FAVOR OF A SERVICE PAUSE PERIOD AND THEN SIX THERE SHOULD NOT BE A SERVICE PAUSE PERIOD. IS THAT NOT ME? THAT'S KIND OF CRAZY. I MEAN, HOW CAN PEOPLE SAY, YEAH, WE DON'T NEED LEGAL TERM LIMITS? AND THEN AND THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE LIKE, YEAH, WE NEED A PAUSE PERIOD. OKAY. I DIDN'T TAKE THE SURVEY. YEAH, THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE. I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. AND DISSECTING THE PAUSE PERIOD QUESTION A LITTLE BIT. PREFERENCE FOR THE LENGTH OF SAID PAUSE PERIOD 11 MENTIONED ONE YEAR, WHICH IS THE CURRENT, PAUSE PERIOD IN THE CHARTER. TWO OR EXCUSE ME, THREE, SAID TWO YEARS FOR A PAUSE PERIOD. NO MEMBERS RESPONDED MORE THAN TWO YEARS, AND THEN SIX PREFERRED NO PAUSE PERIOD PREFERENCE REGARDING AND THAT'S WHERE I GOT MY LITTLE TYPO, PREFERENCE REGARDING THE LENGTH OF A TERM FOR THE COUNCIL OR MAYOR, NO ONE PREFERRED A TWO YEAR TERM. ONE MEMBER SAID THREE YEAR TERMS, AND THEN 20 MEMBERS SAID TO STAY AT FOUR YEAR TERMS. AND THEN PREFERENCE FOR NUMBER OF CONSECUTIVE TERMS PER SEAT POSITION. 11 MEMBERS SAID TWO TERMS, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT, AMOUNT OF TERMS IN THE CHARTER.

TWO SAID THREE TERMS. AND THEN EIGHT MEMBERS SAID MORE THAN THREE TERMS. AND I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL OF THESE COMMENTS, BUT THESE WERE THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY MEMBERS. YOU ALL IN THE FREE TEXT SECTION OF EACH SECTION THAT WE PUT INTO THE SURVEY.

I'M GONNA KEEP ROLLING UNLESS SOMEBODY. OKAY, SO THAT'S TERMS COMPOSITION PREFERENCING. THIS IS THE SECOND SECTION OF THE SURVEY. OVERALL PREFERENCE FOR CHANGING THE COMPOSITION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 11 MEMBERS. AND AGAIN REMEMBER THERE WAS ONLY 20 RESPONSES FOR THIS SECTION. 11 MEMBERS RESPONDED THAT THE COMPOSITION OF THE COUNCIL SHOULD CHANGE NINE MEMBERS. MY BUDDY JOSH THERE, NINE MEMBERS RESPONDED THAT THE COMPOSITION OF THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD NOT CHANGE. PREFERENCE FOR THE COMPOSITION, TYPE OF THE COUNCIL, HOW IT'S MADE UP AND

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PREFERRED SIX SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, AND NO ONE VOTED FOR MORE THAN SIX SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS. PREFERENCE FOR NUMBER OF AT LARGE COUNCIL MEMBERS 15 MEMBERS PREFERRED TWO, WHICH IS CURRENT UNDER OUR CITY CHARTER. THREE PREFERRED THREE ONE PREFERRED MORE THAN THREE AND THEN ONE PREFERRED NO. AT LARGE MEMBERS. AND THESE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED IN RELATION TO COMPOSITION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. SO THE THIRD SECTION, AND WE DID GET 21 RESPONSES ON THE THIRD SECTION RELATING TO COMPENSATION. 19 OF THE 21 MEMBERS RECOMMENDED CHANGING THE COMPENSATION OF THE COUNCIL TO RECOMMENDED NOT TO CHANGE IT.

PREFERENCE FOR THE TYPE OF COMPENSATION THE COUNCIL SHOULD RECEIVE. FOUR MEMBERS RECOMMENDED A PER MEETING STIPEND, WHICH IS THE CURRENT METHOD BY CHARTER. 12 MEMBERS RECOMMENDED A MONTHLY STIPEND AND THEN FIVE RECOMMENDED A COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO. IN RELATION TO THE FUND OR TO THE TYPE OF PAYMENT, WE BROKE THIS INTO TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS, THE FIRST BEING PREFERENCE FOR AMOUNT OF COMPENSATION. IF IT WERE A MONTHLY STIPEND, 5512 50 MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, RESPECTIVELY, FOR 1250 1000 MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS RESPECTIVELY, SEVEN MAYOR, 1000 COUNCIL MEMBERS, 752 MEMBERS VOTED FOR THE MAYOR AT 750 COUNCIL MEMBER 500 AND THEN THREE PREFERRED A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OR FORM OF COMPENSATION.

AND THEN THE OTHER TYPE OF PAYMENT OPPOSED A PER POSTED MEETING STIPENDS. THE CURRENT METHOD OF $50 PER POSTED MEETING WITH THE ALLOWANCE TWO MEMBERS RECOMMENDED KEEPING THAT NO MEMBERS RECOMMENDED THE SECOND OPTION. SIX MEMBERS WERE RECOMMENDED. THE $100 PER POSTED MEETING AND THEN $150 ALLOWANCE FOR THE MAYOR. THREE MEMBERS WERE FOR 125 PROPOSED MEETING, 175 FOR A MONTHLY ALLOWANCE ON THE MAYOR AND THEN EIGHT MEMBERS PREFERRED A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OR FORM OF COMPENSATION. AND THEN THESE WERE THE COMMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH COMPENSATION.

I'LL LEAVE THAT UP FOR A SECOND.

ALL RIGHTY. AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO BREAK OUT. NOW, I JUST LEFT THIS IN HERE FROM OUR PREVIOUS FORMATS. CHAIRMAN. I'LL DEFER TO YOU AND YOUR DIRECTION ON HOW YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, I DO HAVE THE TIMELINE AGAIN AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. JUST AS A REMINDER ABOUT TUESDAY, THE 23RD WORK SESSION, BUT STAFF'S HERE PREPARED TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY WE CAN CLARIFY ANYTHING, BRING BACK A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WAS DISCUSSED A FEW WEEKS AGO JUST TO REFRESH. BUT REALLY, THE FLOOR, AS YOU ALL'S. THANK YOU.

TREVOR, AS YOU CAN SEE, EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION OF THE QUESTIONS. AND THE ROAD IS, IS,

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ABSOLUTELY. LET'S MAKE THIS OKAY. AGAIN, I THINK THE ANSWER IS COUNCIL SAYS STUDY THESE TOPICS. COME BACK WITH A REPORT. IT DOES IT SAY A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE PARTICULAR DIRECTION I THINK WE NEED TO TELL COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM. WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECTION, A CLEAR DIRECTION. ON THE OTHER HAND, WE MAY HAVE SOME THINGS IN THIS REPORT WHERE IT'S REALLY CLEAR THAT THIS IS THE COMMITTEE'S POSITION. WELL, I ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO FALL SHORT OF COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS. RIGHT MR. CHAIR, CAN I JUST ADD ONE SOMETHING? JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK MISS WARREN TOUCHED ON THE ISSUE ABOUT THE COST OF THE ELECTION. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE ONE ITEM OR FOUR ITEMS OR FIVE ITEMS. IF YOU BRING ONE ITEM, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME COST. IF YOU BRING 5 OR 6 ITEMS AND IT'S ABOUT 150, $175,000. SO ELECTIONS, THAT'S WHY ELECTIONS ARE SUBJECT TO INFLATION TOO. I GUESS I'LL GO ON RECORD AS SAYING I VOTED NOT TO CHANGE ANYTHING FOR THAT REASON, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT WARRANTS THAT COST, THAT CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT, CENSUS IS DONE. WHEN WE LOOK AT NUMBERS AGAIN, THAT'S THAT. THAT'S WHY I VOTED NOT TO CHANGE ANYTHING. SO THAT'S THAT'S ME. GERALYN YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. I WAS JUST GOING TO AGREE. I ACTUALLY THINK, TAKING THE SURVEY AGAIN WOULD BE INTERESTING. SO I AGREE WITH BRIAN'S COMMENTS, BUT I DO THINK THAT LENGTH OF TERMS AND COMPENSATION THERE WAS A FAIR BIT OF CONSENSUS ON THOSE TWO ITEMS AND THE REMAINING TWO, NOT SO MUCH. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WILLING TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION THERE. WE MIGHT GET SOMEWHERE. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH WITH TAKING THE POLL AGAIN, WE'RE MINUS TREVOR FOR MEMBERS AND WE WORK REALLY HARD TO GET EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, I PARTICIPATED. AND IF WE DO IT AGAIN, DO WE RUN THE RISK OF THOSE FOUR PEOPLE SAYIN, I DIDN'T GET TO PLAY? I'LL DEFER. DO NOT RUN THE RISK. IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT, THEY CAN'T MAKE IT. WELL, RIGHT. YOU MISSED THE SECOND MEETING. SO. YEAH I FROM A FROM A ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, WE CAN FAIRLY QUICK WE NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE RECESS JUST TO SET IT UP. BUT WE COULD FAIRLY QUICKLY GET SOMETHING ON THE SCREEN. THROUGH SLIDO. IT FEELS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS EXERCISES. SO WE CAN DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT I'LL DEFER TO YOU ALL WHETHER OR NOT TO DO IT AT ALL. I MEAN, THAT'S FOR YOU TO DECIDE. THAT'S A BIT. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO RUN THE SECOND POLL AS AN INTERNAL ELEMENT AND THEN DECIDE IF AND HOW WE PRESENT BOTH POLLS TO

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YEAH, YEAH, I PULLED THAT ONE BACK UP. PLEASE THAT'S 19. YEAH, YEAH. 92. OKAY. 92. SO THAT'S A FAIRLY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE GROUPS SUPPORTING OF THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER WAS SOME FORM OF COMPENSATION. RIGHT, TREV. CAN YOU PULL THAT ONE UP. YES. YEAH I THINK, 75, 76% OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE IN FAVOR OF A FIXED STIPEND OF GREATER THAN $1,000 A MONTH. YEAH AND THAT I KNOW. YEAH, YEAH, GREATER THAN A THOUSAND, BECAUSE THE MAYOR WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

SOME COUNCILS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER. BUT YEAH. YES. YEAH. SEVEN 1116, 16 OUT OF 21 IS THAT NOT 75. FIVE OF THEM WERE GREATER THAN 1000 FOR THE COUNCIL. WELL JUST IN THE MIX THERE. JUST THAT THAT WAS AT LEAST A THOUSAND BECAUSE YOU COULD YOU COULD ARGUE WHETHER A THOUSAND 750 IS THE RIGHT NUMBER OR IS IT 1000? IT'S 850. I MEAN, YOU COULD GET SOME REAL FINE POINTS THERE, BUT THERE SEEMED TO ME DIRECTIONALLY ANYWAY, SUPPORT FOR AT LEAST A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH FOR THE MAYOR AND SOMETHING APPROACHING THAT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. WHAT ABOUT THE WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TERM? HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL LIKE FOUR YEARS, FOUR YEARS? I THOUGHT WE JUST DID IT. DID DID YOU GET A SECOND ON YOUR MOTION? I THINK I DID, I DID WELL I GAVE A CHECKMARK. YEAH OKAY. SO WE'RE DONE. I THINK THAT WAS GOOD. GOOD JOB.

KEEP GOING BACKWARDS. YEAH ALL RIGHT. WE ALSO HAVE WE ALSO HAVE SLOW BUT WE ALSO HAVE 19 PEOPLE THAT SAY CHANGE THE COMPENSATION. SO WE AT LEAST KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BALLOT ITEM TO CHANGE THE COMPENSATION. YEAH YEAH YEAH OKAY. WHO WINS? THAN MYSELF OKAY. TREVOR. SO LET'S, LET'S PULL OUT OF ANY MORE DISCUSSION. WAIT DID YOU BRING. I'M SORRY, BRIAN, DID YOU BRING A MOTION? TO THE FLOOR ON INCREASING INCREASING COMPENSATION? YES. WE DID. SOMEONE SECOND THAT. NO. YOURS. WAS THAT WAS NOT. YOURS WAS. YOURS WAS FOUR YEAR TERM.

WELL, A FOUR YEAR TERM. BUT THEN HE DID. THE SECOND WAS DONE. YEAH 19 PEOPLE HAVE SAID CHANGED THE COMPENSATION. SO AND THEN WE GOT A MOTION ON THAT AND A MOTION IN SECOND. YEAH. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO WHAT IS THE DOLLARS. NOW. WHAT IS IT MAYOR OF THOUSAND DOLLARS. WELL YOU GOT THIS IS THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT WILL THE VOTERS ACCEPT. YOU CANNOT THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ACCEPT 15 AND 1250. I DON'T THINK THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY WE'RE DOING IT, ALL THE STUFF THAT WE KNOW. AND SO, YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY FAIR. BUT I DON'T THINK THE VOTERS IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT. AND SO YOU HAVE TO BE WITH YOU HAVE TO TAKE SMALL STEPS TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO, IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO DO. BUT TO ME, YOU WE DO WHAT WE CAN THINK THAT THAT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE VOTERS AND WHAT WOULD BE. AND THEN YOU PUT A CPI, CPI ON IT. RIGHT. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. AT SOME POINT SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO SAY, WHAT WILL THE VOTERS ACCEPT? AND THAT BE MAYBE A COUNCIL DECISION IF WE GIVE THEM OUR RECOMMENDATION OF X DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THE COUNCIL SAYS WE'RE GOING TO A THOUSAND, NOT 1250 OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, LET THE COUNCIL MAKE THAT CALL. SO SINCE I'M TRYING TO DO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER OVER HERE, YOU HAVE A MAJORITY THAT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT IN STEPS, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE MONTHLY VERSUS STIPEND. WE HAVE 12 OUT OF MAJORITY SAID MONTHLY AND NOT DO THE STIPEND PER MEETING A PER MEETING. SO DO WE HAVE CAN WE SAY WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT. YES. YES.

FLAT MONTHLY STIPEND. YES. EASY. EASY. ADMINISTRATION OKAY. SO WE'RE TWO FOR TWO NOW. NOW IT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO AND I'M BILL I, I NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE I SPEAK. SO I'D LIKE TO SAY A WORD DARLING OKAY. SO I LOOK BACK AT OUR NOTES. SO ANNUALLY THE MAYOR HAS IS FROM THE SLIDE THAT TREVOR PRESENTED. I THINK 5100 IS THE IS THE CURRENT ANNUAL, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT STOPPING COMPENSATION. AND THEN COUNCIL IS AT 3900. SO IT JUST TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THAT INCLUDES THE CELL PHONE ALLOWANCE OKAY. BACK THAT OUT. SO THAT WOULD BE TAKE OUT 1200 BUCKS. 1200 BUCKS I STAND CORRECTED OKAY. SO MUCH LOWER. BUT AT 1500 A MONTH

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I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR DISCUSSION IS ESCAPING ME. SO I'M SORRY THE DISCUSSION WAS THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF MEETINGS CALLED MEETINGS ONE MONTH VERSUS ANOTHER MONTH.

CORRECT. SO IF YOU HAD A DOLLAR AMOUNT PER MONTH THAT WOULD COVER ANY AMOUNT OF MEETINGS VERSUS A MONTHLY, A STIPEND FOR EACH MEETING THAT WAS CALLED. SO IT MAY NOT BE SET AS 12,000. IT ACTUALLY WOULD JUST BASED ON THAT'S WHY WE THE OTHER THOUGHT WE JUST SAID THAT WE WANTED TO DO A MONTHLY NUMBER AND FLAT. RIGHT. I WAS JUST SAYING FOR HER, FOR HER CLARIFICATION BECAUSE SHE WAS SAYING, YEAH, I WAS JUST THE ANNUAL I WAS TRYING TO COMPARE IT TO THE CORRECT TO THE CURRENT. ALL RIGHT. COMPENSATION. THAT'S ALL I WAS DOING TO RAINEY'S POINT. SEE WHAT AND IF I MAY, THE OTHER ASPECT IS THAT THESE TERMS START FIVE MONTHS INTO THE YEAR. SO INEVITABLY THE FIRST YEAR AND THE LAST YEAR OF A GIVEN TERM ARE DEPENDENT UPON WHAT HAPPENS IN AN ELECTION. OBVIOUSLY THEY WON'T HAVE AN ANNUAL AMOUNT. SO THEY THEY WOULD BE IF THEY WERE PUT ON THE POLE, THEY WOULD BE PUT ON THE POLE OR EXCUSE ME, ON THE BALLOT, THEY'D BE PUT ON THE BALLOT MONTHLY, MONTHLY TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU'RE ELECTED IN MAY. YOU'RE NOT ELECTED AT THE JANUARY ONE. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO PUT SO IF SOMEBODY PUT IN ON JUNE 7TH, THEN YOU GET YOU GET COMPENSATED FOR THE FOR THE WHOLE MONTH. I MEAN YOU CAN'T YOU DON'T GET HALF MONTHS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK WHATEVER MONTH YOU START, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FULL COMPENSATION, WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S KIND OF A ELECTION THAT JUST HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TERM, LIKE WE HAD FREDDIE GO OFF AND WE HAD TO DO THAT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT KIND OF NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IN.

YEAH THERE'S NO PARTIAL. IT'S JUST WHATEVER MONTH YOU START THAT'S WHAT YOU GET COMPENSATED.

NO. PRORATION IF YOU I THINK THAT'S YEAH. YEAH I WOULD AGREE. THE GENTLEMAN'S POINT YOU SAY CURRENTLY IT'S ABOUT 5100 ANNUALLY FOR THE MAN. IT'S LIKE 3900. ONCE YOU BACK OUT THE FOR THE FOR THE MAYOR AND THEN ABOUT HOW MUCH FOR COUNCIL. SO AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO 12,000. BUT LIKE THE PROBLEM WITH THE 18TH DAY, 15TH DAY RESPECTIVELY. YOU KNOW IF I LOOK WHEN I LOOK BACK AT THE PEER GROUP DATA THAT THE STAFF PROVIDED AND I DON'T HAVE THAT HARD NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME THAT, IF WE GO TO A FIXED MONTHLY STIPEND, THAT WOULD BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH OUR PEER GROUP CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT. SO I THINK WE COULD SAY THAT'S KIND OF A PREVAILING, IF NOT LEADING PRACTICE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO WE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PEER GROUP. CORRECT. YEAH. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT THAT ARE NOTED THERE FOR THE STIPEND ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN OUR PEER GROUPS, HAVING MONTHLY STIPENDS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PEER GROUPS WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT OUR PEER GROUP CITIES PAY CURRENTLY COMPENSATE THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO WELL, RAINEY, DIDN'T YOU TALK ABOUT LAST TIME, JUST THE INFLATION RATE AND WHAT AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS CALCULATING, IS THE MONTH THE MAYOR, $1,000 AND 750. THAT'S ABOUT 40% ABOVE WHAT THE INFLATIONARY FACTOR WOULD BE RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S THAT'S LIKE THEM GETTING A 40% INCREASE.

IT'S NOT IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT IT'S ABOUT 40% MORE THAN THEY'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW.

AND SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD I MEAN I THINK THAT THAT TO ME THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THAT, THAT I THINK IS, IS A FAIR AMOUNT. AGAIN, NOBODY'S DOING THIS FOR MONEY, BUT IT'S JUST A FAIR COMPENSATION. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE GETTING OR YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE THAN THEY'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S I THINK THAT THE VOTERS OF MCKINNEY WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WELL PLUS PLUS, BASED ON THE LAST TIME WE ADJUSTED OR THE LAST TIME THE SALARIES WERE WERE DECIDED WAS 20 YEARS AGO, 2001.

SO, YEAH, OUR CITY HAS DOUBLED IN SIZE SINCE THEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S ABOUT FIVE TIMES EXACTLY, EXACTLY. SO I MEAN, HERE WE'RE MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES OUR SIZE IS DOING. IF WE WERE GOING TO PUT THIS IN MAYBE A PRIVATE SECTOR PERSPECTIVE, CHANGE THE LENS A LITTLE BIT. IF WE WERE GOING OUT TO HIRE TALENT, WE WOULD HAVE TO ATTRACT TALENT WITH

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ROUTING IS PERFECT, RIGHT? CHERILYN WAS AHEAD OF ME. OH OH OH NO. I JUST LEFT IT ON BRIAN.

BUT THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES MR. LOCKMILLER. PLEASE. YOU'VE GOT YOUR WAY OF BEING INTRODUCED, IS WHAT I WAS. I WAS JUST GOING TO GO AWAY. YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TERM LIMITS. THEY ALREADY ALREADY HAD MY TERM LIMIT, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WELL, NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, IF YOU RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING, IF YOU WERE HERE OR IF YOU WEREN'T, THAT BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF $1,500 BASED ON INFLATION. SO IF WE'RE TALKING 750 INSTEAD OF 500, THAT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A JUMP. AND IT'S ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE. SO I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE THOUSAND ON MAYOR AND 750 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. SECOND. SECOND. YEAH. ALL IN. YEAH I MEAN IT'S YEAH THAT'S. YEAH AND I ALSO WANT TO THAT TAMMY MADE A GREAT POINT IS IT WORTH $170,000 TO GET THIS ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER? I PROBABLY WOULD SAY NO. AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT IF WE DID, I MEAN, IF WE PREPARED THIS FOR NEXT MAY IS WHEN IS WHEN THE NEXT ELECTION IS THAT FOR THOSE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE

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CAN WE JUST HAVE A TRUE. WE DIDN'T USE THE WORD. THAT WORD THAT WAS NOT THE WORD I USED.

YEAH. I SAID DO WE HAVE ENOUGH OF AN AGREEMENT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE C WORD. MAJORITY OF MINE. AND I'M FINE BEING OUTSPOKEN ON THAT. YEAH OKAY. YEAH. YEAH YES. YEAH OKAY. SO MARK. I'M LISTENING. OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOOD ON COMPENSATION LANGUAGE AND THE AMOUNTS. RIGHT. WE'LL GET ON THE LENGTH OF THE TERM OF A SEAT. RIGHT. YEAH AND THE THIRD ONE IS THAT THEY'RE COMPENSATED. SO IN CLAUSE PERIOD. RIGHT. SO THE NOTES I HAVE, EVERYONE WAS AGREEABLE FOUR YEAR TERMS, PRETTY OVERWHELMINGLY CHANGING COMPENSATION TO A MONTHLY STIPEND WAS THE OTHER FAIRLY ROBUST AGREEMENT. AND THEN YOU ALL JUST HAD AGREEMENT FOUND AGREEMENT, ON A THOUSAND FOR MAYOR, 750 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO QUESTION ON THAT. JUST BEFORE WE MOVE, CHAIR. CPI SHOULD IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. SO SHOULD WE TIE THIS RECOMMENDATION TO AN ANNUAL COST OF LIVING INCREASE? I THINK IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE GROUP TO DO THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT THAT METRIC IS. BUT SO THAT THIS CHANGES, WE DON'T LOOK UP TEN YEARS. YEAH AND WE DON'T GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. WE WANT TO GO BACK 23 YEARS TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S IT'S NOT CHANGING EVERY YEAR. BUT IT CHANGES ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.

YOU KNOW, KIND OF WITHIN AN ELECTION YEAR TYPE SCENARIO. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT KEEPING UP EVERY YEAR. TO ME, IT MAKES MORE SENSE SOME WAY GROWING WITH THAT. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. AND THAT'S AND SO THAT'S GOING TO WITH WITH THAT LANGUAGE NEED TO BE IN THE MARK.

CAN WE DO THAT. WE THINK IT WOULD BE. YEAH. YEAH. SO IF I UNDERSTAND WELL INSTEAD OF DOING IT ANNUALLY WE'LL DO IT CONSISTENT WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR'S FOUR YEAR TERM. YEAH.

EXACTLY. OKAY. MAYBE THE MAYOR'S FOUR YEAR TERM EVERY. AND THEN THE CALCULATION WOULD BE BASED UPON THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX FOR THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH METROPLEX AS PUBLISHED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF DALLAS. YEAH WHERE DO YOU GO WITH ALL THIS? NO, I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE THAT SPECIFIC, I THINK. YEAH YEAH. SO WHERE IS THE CREDIBLE DATA SOURCE TO GO TO FOR THAT? YEAH. CUMULATIVE. IS THAT CUMULATIVE? YES. WELL, IF YOU DO IT FOUR YEARS I THINK IT SHOULD BE CUMULATIVE. YEAH. YOU KNOW IF IT'S 4% A YEAR IT'S 104 TIMES 104. SAY THAT RIGHT. YEAH YEAH YEAH. VERY SPECIFIC IN THE ACTUAL CHARTER IT'LL BE SPECIFIC IN THE PROPOSITION. IT'LL IT'LL BE LESS SPECIFIC. IT'LL SAY WITH A CPI INCREASE. PERFECT. YEAH. SO THOSE TWO WOULD BE TIED TOGETHER IS MY QUESTION. LIKE WE IF THE VOTERS DON'T APPROVE THE, THE CPI PART OF IT, THEY WOULD JUST VOTE NO FOR COMPENSATION ALTOGETHER. THEY WOULD HAVE TO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE INCREASING THE MAYOR'S PAY, COUNCIL MEMBERS PAY WITH THE CPI INCREASE. SO YES, WE WON PROPOSITION ONE QUESTION. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT THREE. WE'VE TAKEN OFF THE LIST. DOES THE GROUP NOW WANT TO BREAK UP INTO SMALL GROUPS AND HAVE CONVERSATION REGARDING NUMBER OF TERMS AND THE OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS PERIOD? PAUSE PERIOD. WE'VE GOT NOD OF HEADS OVER HERE. YEAH. COUNCIL MAKEUP. TREVOR, WHAT ABOUT TEN MINUTES? SURE. 15 MINUTES. DO YOU DOES ANYONE NEED THE INFORMATION ON THE SCREEN OR. OKAY OKAY. YEAH. PUT. YEAH. PUT THAT BACK ON THE SCREEN. YEP.

301 JUST SIR. SO FAR SURVEYS ONE THROUGH 11 AGAIN. DETERMINE AGAIN OUR COMMON THE VERY FIRST

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VERY GOOD. YEAH. YEAH.

THE REASON IT HAS BEEN SO. THEY DON'T WANT US TO JUMP. OUT! NO NO. BUT I, FROM WHAT I.

RIGHT. YEAH SO. YEAH. OKAY. JUST ONE. YEAH OH, YEAH. I JUST WISH THEY WOULD HAVE TURNED OUT. AND THEN. JUST. OH ALL RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW. WHAT? THAT WAS, LIKE, EIGHT OR. NINE. I KNOW, I MEAN, THREE YEARS. IT'S GREAT. WE GET SOME GENERIC. QUESTION. THAT'S NOT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH. IS THAT. THAT LIKE, YOU COULD GO. CLEARED IT UP TO BE MORE ACCURATE AND ALL. OUT OF OUT EFFORTS. BUT IT'S THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHY I THINK I DIDN'T REMEMBER WHEN YOU LEFT OFF. THAT WAS. IT WAS. IT WAS. AROUND THE GROCERY. YEAH. THAT'S HOW WE WERE. WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. AND

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YEAH. YEAH I DON'T. THAT'S WHAT I DID. I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT. BUT I DON'T. RIGHT. I JUST THAT'S THAT. WE'RE RUNNING. THAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO VOTE FOR. AND. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW. SO I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. BUT I THINK THERE IS A ARE YOU PLAYING POLITICS? ARE YOU GOING TO RISK FOR ALL THE OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT? SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS AT THE RISK OF I AGREE WITH YOU VOTING. TO I DON'T. THAT'S WHY. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. 44 RIGHT NOW IS OU. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. SO WELL THAT'S WHY I'M NOT. SO I JUST. WANT TO CHANGE TERMS OF. THAT I, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT. I HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME. NO. OKAY. WE HAVE THE. OH. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY, LET'S GO. I'LL TALK. WE'LL TALK. LET'S GO TO SERVICE ON THIS FOR OUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY.

THAT'S ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE NUMBERS. WE HAVE 61% OF THE SERVICE LESS THAN SIX YEARS OF AGE OR LESS. SO WE HAVE A TERM LIMIT OF WHAT IN MY OPINION, IS WE TAKE IT AWAY AND TO GO BACK TO 1.1 AND IT WAS IN THE CYCLE ONE ELECTION CYCLE OR CYCLE YEA. AGO I. WAS. SHOWING YOU. YEAH THAT'S WHAT IT IS TALKING ABOUT. BUT SO RIGHT NOW IT JUST IS OUR. NUMBER ONE OF THE CDS IS SERVICE. SO IT IS NOT. AT 67. RIGHT. HOLD ON TO THAT QUESTION THERE 9% ON ALL THE U.S.

CITIZENS HAVE 9% OF ALL THE PRESIDENTS. NOW, WHAT YOU'RE ALSO. RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO. OVER RUN IT DOWN. NOW WE HAVE IF YOU'RE RUNNING OR SERVING, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE THIS YEAR. YOU'RE NOT MAKING CALLS. YOU YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT. BUT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

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THE. 27. NO REASON THAT'S FUNNY, BUT NO. SO HERE'S HOW YOU YOU HAVE TWO YEARS AGO THAT I WAS JUST. GO DOWN TO THE FOURTH YEAR. WE'RE NOT SAYING I KNOW. I KNOW. OKAY. AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS. SO THERE SHOULD BE NOT. RIGHT. SO I. I'M SAYING THAT THERE WEREN'T PEOPLE NECESSARILY THAT. SAY WE NEED TO DO SOME EXPLORATION OF. OUR RIGHT. RIGHT. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SO BUT I THINK IT IS. SO YOU HAVE TO SO YOU'RE RIGHT. NOW WHAT THAT WAS RIGHT. YES. SO THAT'S THE WAY WHAT WAS THE PEOPLE MIGHT KNOW THAT WE SAY WE SAY THEY MIGHT HAVE. TO YOU GET, YOU KNOW, 75 YEARS. NO HE DID TWO YEARS. THREE. AND ONE GOES THROUGH YOUR TENURE. I DON'T JUST SAY YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I JUST THE FOUR OF US, THAT'S NOT OUR SALARY. AND I WAS LIKE, OH, YEAH, YOU GOT TO BE. YEAH. BUT I'M SAYING, LIKE, I SEE. I WAS. JUST IN THE MIDDLE GROUND. SO I THINK. THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE AROUND. TO HAVE LIKE A I RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE SPIRIT OF POLITICS IS MOVING IN THE DIRECTION I KNOW. BUT I. I DON'T KNOW HOW. THE LANGUAGE THAT WE

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BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE TAX REVENUE BUSINESSES AND THE POLICIES. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE.

I THINK A LOT OF THE POLICY. QUESTIONS AND BEING WILLING TO LISTEN TO IT. AND UNDERSTANDING OUR POSITION AND EVERYTHING IN THE FIRST REGISTER OR UNTIL YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS THAT LIKE THAT EVERY. ANYWAY. BUT YOU KNOW. I. KNOW BUT I ALSO TALKED TO COUNCIL ENCOURAGES BY SAYING I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE RIGHT NO. I REMEMBER WHEN I COME DOWN AND. SAY THIS IS NOT RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT NOW. THERE WAS A. DECISION THAT WAS. THAT'S RIGHT. NOW I HAVE THIS GREAT I WASN'T I WASN'T. IT'S NOT FOR ANY. DIRECTION IN MIND. I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA. WELL I SEE OKAY. WE HAVE A TIME UPDATE. WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN SMALL GROUPS, JUST CONTINUE TO WORK, AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK IN TOUCH. WE'RE STILL DOING OUR TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH PLUS, SECTION. FOR WHAT? WHAT WE. WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS THE FIRST. YEAH. YOU'RE

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CONCENTRATION AND IT'S. MORE LIKELY THAT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND LET'S JUST SAY NOTHING ON IT.

YEAH SO. YEAH. SO THE NEXT TIME EVERYONE IS BRINGING. IT YESTERDAY. BUT THE EFFICACY AND THE. YEAH, I THINK THAT. FUNCTIONALITY OF PROOF IS A MINIMUM. YOU HAVE A LOT OF THAT'S. NO THAT WAS THE SECOND. OH SORRY. JUST ADD WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU SO FAR. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO JUST, YOU KNOW OKAY. BUT I ALSO WANT. IS THAT ONE. THERE'S ONE COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. AND SAYING. WHAT W. RIGHT. SO WE'RE REALLY HARD TO CHANGE THAT. AND. THEN THEY CONFER I VOTE FOR ADDING. ELENA. RIGHT THERE. REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE A LOT. A LOT OF INFORMATION AND I FEEL. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE, AND IT'S NEVER GOING TO DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE A DECISION ON YOUR RIGHT HAND. ON OUR. SO WE GOT. NINE OVER 16 1131 WAS.

LIKE SO. WELL THAT'S RIGHT. YOU COULD DO. WHAT MAKES YOU SO. WELL I WAS HIRING SOMEBODY ELSE TO LOOK AT THIS. WELL, IT'S NOT JUST. YOU IS THERE A. ONE HERE TO BE HERE TO. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT LIKE I GOT SOMEONE THROUGH THE WORK THAT I. ACTUALLY DID. AND THEN THE ELECTION SAY, OKAY, OKAY. SO THE ONE. I GOT. RIGHT. I MEAN. YEAH RIGHT. YEAH. SO BUT THEN YOU GO OKAY, SO I HAVE

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LUDICROUS. BECAUSE I. KNOW WE'VE GOT THAT, THAT DOESN'T. BUT. YEAH. SO AT THIS POINT. I'M JUS.

AND THE REASON, THE REASON THE RATES ARE. SO THIS GROUP ARE USUALLY. YEAH RIGHT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD. OKAY. ABOUT, THREE MORE MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TOGETHER. THANK YOU. SINCE WE ALL. KNOW NO NO NO NO NO. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING.

SO LET ME. THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I. JUST. GET OUT OF HERE. SHE'S SAYING THAT WE. I'M SURPRISED.

I'M IN THAT. SO MANY TIMES. SO ARE YOU READY TO GO? YEAH. I'D LIKE TO A LIFETIME. I DON'T. AND ESPECIALLY. FOR SENIORS. BECAUSE IT'S TRYING TO BRING.

THAT WE'RE NOT THAT YOU'RE BEGINNING WITH THIS. OH TO GOD, YOU'VE BEEN. SOCIOECONOMIC AND.

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START MISS BLACK. OKAY. SO, SO IN ORDER WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TERM PAUSE LIMITS. AND THEN AN EXTRA ACROSS THE BOARD. NO CHANGE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS. SO FOUR YEARS FOR THE TERM ONE YEAR FOR THE PAUSE TERM LIMITS. IT'S TOO COMPLICATED FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS, TWO TERMS IN ANY POSITION, NOT MORE THAN FOUR TOTAL. AND OF COURSE, IF YOU GOT THE MAYOR, THERE'S SOME CAVEATS TO THAT, BUT IT'S STILL NO CHANGE. WHAT WE WANTED TO INTRODUCE, THE THING WE WANTED TO INTRODUCE IS THAT IN THE CHARTER, THERE'S NO VERBIAGE ABOUT A LIFETIME CAP. THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY VERBIAGE ABOUT IT. AND DID WE WANT TO ADD THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A 16 YEAR, IF YOU GO BY YOUR TERM LIMITS AND HOW MANY YOU CAN, IF YOU BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN EACH POSITION, THEN WE WANT TO ADD A CAP OF A LIFETIME OF 16 YEARS. AND THAT WAS THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. AND OUR PEER. OH, YOU SAID 75 PEER GROUP CITY, 75% HAVE LIFETIME CAPS. I HAVE THE PEER GROUP CITY, 75% HAVE CAPS. THERE WE G.

16. NO I DON'T KNOW 16. THERE'S 4343 PEER GROUP CITIES IN THE DATA SET. AND A QUICK LOOK AT IT. 75% OF THEM HAVE THAT KIND OF YES. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S 16 YEARS, BUT THEY HAVE CAPS VARYING YEARS. THAT'S ALL THE WAY TO POWER OF LOCAL, YOU KNOW, KEEP UP WITH PEOPLE. NO, NOT AT ALL. LIKE WITH A CAP ON. NO, THIS WAS JUST A QUESTION. DID WE WANT TO DO THAT. THAT'S THE SINCE THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY, ADDRESSED IN THE CHARTER SPECIFIC IN THE VERBIAGE OF THE CHARTER, DID WE WANT TO ADD THAT AS, AS VERBIAGE IN THE CHARTER. AND THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.

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IN TERMS THOSE RESULTS, OKAY. THIS GROUP. ALL RIGHT I'LL DO I. OKAY, SAME ON THE FOUR YEAR TERM, WHICH I FEEL LIKE WE HAD CONSENSUS ON BEFORE THAT, IN TERMS OF THE PAUSE PERIOD, WE PREFER TO KEEP IT THE SAME AS THE CURRENT AND NOT COMPLICATE THAT BY CHANGING ANYTHING TO THE PAUSE PERIOD. IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF TERMS, ABOUT 50% OF US WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF TERM LIMITS AT ALL. AND 50% OF US WERE IN FAVOR OF TERM LIMITS AS A COMPROMISE FOR THE TABLE, WE PROPOSED PUTTING A VOTE ON INCREASING TO A THIRD TERM AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING ON THE BALLOT TO ELIMINATE TERM LIMITS ALTOGETHER. ALSO WE TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER AND FELT THAT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS, THAT WE WOULD WAIT FOR THE CENSUS, AND WE WOULD NOT BE ADDING DISTRICTS, AT THIS TIME. SO DOES THAT CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP OKAY, THAT WAS COMPOSITION QUESTION. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, YOU GUYS WERE HERE. WERE YOU GUYS ALL PART OF THAT GROUP WAS OVER HERE? OKAY, BRIAN'S OVER HERE. SO THIS GROUP WHO SPOKE FOR. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. DWIGHT, DO I HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED? I'M OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, OUR GROUP, WE CONSENSUS ALSO FOUR YEAR TERM, WE HAVE A CAUSE, A ONE YEAR PAUSE. AND, WITH REGARDS TO TERM LIMITS, WE WERE TERM LIMITS. SO THAT'S REALLY, AND THEN WE WERE TALKED WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ADDING TO THREE, WE ACTUALLY WERE JUST HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. SO SIMILAR THINKING ON THIS GROUP, WE DID START TALKING ABOUT COMPOSITION, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL HOLD UNTIL WE REGROUP ON THAT WITH EVERYONE ELSE. SO THE TERM LIMIT CONVERSATION IN YOUR GROUP WAS WHAT TERM LIMITS OR GO TO THREE. THERE'S A LITTLE DIVISION OKAY OKAY. WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE YET BUT WE STARTED HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. IT WAS KIND OF SIMILAR OF HEY THREE TERM LIMITS, THREE TERMS. WOULD THAT BE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE REALLY YEAH. WE DIDN'T REALLY LAND ON ANYTHING, BUT IT DEFINITELY ALIGNED WITH TERM TERM LIMITS IN OUR GROUP FOR SURE. BUT BUT WE WERE ALSO EXACTLY SPLIT ON, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL ON COUNCIL. SO IT WAS 3 TO 3 ON OUR CREW, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL NINE MAKEUP OF THE COUNCIL, MAKEUP AND COMPOSITION TO 9 TO 7 THREE. YOU KNOW, HALF OF US WANTED TO, KEEP IT. AND THE OTHER HALF WANTED TO INCREASE IT TO NINE AT A CERTAIN POINT. I MEAN, SO THAT WAS THE OTHER THING IS THAT SAYING, OKAY, MAYBE IN 2027 TO, TO BUMP IT UP TO, YOU KNOW, TO NINE. AND SO THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION.

KIM, DID YOUR GROUP GET INTO COMPOSITION THAT WAS GOING TO BE A SEPARATE SHORT GROUP. AND YOU GUYS COMPOSITION, YOU GUYS GET INTO COMPOSITION. WE SAID NO CHANGE THAT. WE REALLY WANTED TO HAVE THEENSUS BE THEEN THING THAT ALLOWS ANY REDISTRICTING TO OCCUR. AND WE DO NOT WANT TO ADD ANY DISTRICTS AT THIS TIME. RIGHT RIGHT. AND WE HAD CONVERSATION LAST TIME THAT, THAT NONE OF US ARE EXPERTS IN, IN COUNCIL MAKEUPS AND REDISTRICTING AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE INVOLVED. IF YOU ADDED ADDITIONAL SEATS. SO, AND WHEN IS THE CENSUS? EVERY EVERY TEN. BUT WHEN IS IT, WHEN ARE THE RESULTS AVAILABLE? YOU'RE ON 31, 31. SO THE NEXT CENSUS WOULD BE 2030. AND WE GET THE DATE OF 31. RIGHT. I, JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE CONVERSATION WE HAD HAD, IN THAT SECOND MEETING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT COMPOSITION, AND, AND REMIND EVERYONE I THINK IT WAS YOU, KEN, THAT TALKED ABOUT THIS, ABOUT WHAT IF WE PUT IN, KIND OF VERBIAGE TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, SINGLE DISTRICT MEMBERS BASED ON A CERTAIN NUMBER OR PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION. AND SO THAT WAY IT'S, IT'S SET KIND OF LIKE ADDING THE CPI VERBIAGE, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK EVERY TEN YEARS OR SO. THAT WAY THERE'S NOT ANOTHER, BOND THAT HAS TO BE PASSED, TEN YEARS FROM NOW OVER THE SAME CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE ALREADY HAVING. SO IF IT WOULD SO IF WE WOULD HAVE A, A, A TRIGGER POINT AS THE NUMBER OF DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES NEEDED TO THE POPULATION OF THE CITY. SO CURRENTLY IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S

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THAT'S 50,000 PLUS. AND IF WE THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER, THEN WHEN THE CITY GETS TO 300,000 PEOPLE, WE AUTOMATICALLY ADD TWO MORE SEATS. IF THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER, IF IT'S IF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE A LOWER NUMBER, LIKE ONE DISTRICT SEAT FOR EVERY 30,000 POPULATION, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE, THEN YOU JUST YOU WOULD JUST TIE IT TO THAT. YOU WOULD HAVE AN INDEX TO RELY ON, AND YOU COULD USE THE CENSUS DATA TO DRIVE THAT. BUT YOU WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA IN BETWEEN TEN YEAR CENSUS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS CITY DOING THAT. WELL, AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE DECIDE. YEAH, I THOUGHT SO.

YEAH. WE'RE LOOKING BACK OVER MY SHOULDER. NO ONE'S ACKNOWLEDGING ME BACK, LIKE THOSE SPECIFICS I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND, RIGHT. THAT VERBIAGE, AND THEN THE CITY WOULD GO HAVE TO GO TO A CONSULTANT WHO CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER THE SPECIFICS OF REDISTRICTING AND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS. BEFORE ADDING OR CHANGING.

RIGHT BUT MAYBE WE JUST MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. CHAIRMAN. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. CAROLYN.

PIGGYBACK ON, MEGAN'S COMMENT. I WAS THE ONE THAT WROTE IN THE NOTES. I DON'T FEEL EQUIPPED OR READY TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS ISSUE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I KNOW A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DID WHEN WE STARTED, THIS TIME TOGETHER, I STILL FEEL LIKE WE SPEND FOUR HOURS ON IT, AND THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, TO, TO MAKE A FIRM RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD I LIKE THE IDEA OF ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, SAY WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS WORTHY OF A LOOK BY COUNCIL. WE SEE A LOT OF REASONS WHY WE COULD AND WE ALSO SEE A LOT OF REASONS WHY WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO CHANGE, BUT WE'RE NOT AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN MAKE A FIRM RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I STAND. I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS IS IF WE IF WE SAY, OKAY, IN 2000, 27 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THREE YEARS BEFORE THE CENSUS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDISTRICT EVERYTHING IN 27 OR 28 AND THEN GO BACK AND THEN AND 31 YOU'RE REDISTRICTING EVERYTHING AGAIN MAKES NO SENSE TO, TO DO THAT AS, AS IN THAT.

SO I THINK WHAT I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU IN THAT WE'RE PROBABLY NOT IN THE POSITION RIGHT NOW TO SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I THINK WE'RE FINE FOR THE NEXT THREE OR 4 OR 5 YEARS, OR AT LEAST 3 OR 4 YEARS, I THINK. AND THEN AND THEN LET, LET COUNCIL. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH AT THE NEXT. OKAY. JUST ONE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HIT THAT NUMBER WAY BEFORE THE CENSUS IN THE TEN YEARS I'M TALKING MCKINNEY GROWTH. AND YOU KNOW, IT GROWS. IT'S BEEN GROWING AND THERE'S STILL POTENTIAL GROWTH GOING NORTH OF 380. RIGHT OKAY. IF WE SAY 250,000, WHATEVER WE HIT THAT NUMBER WAY BEFORE THE TEN YEAR PERIOD OF CENSUS. WHAT DO WE DO THEN? BUT I THINK THAT WE DON'T HERE'S HERE'S THE WAY I LOOK AT THAT. I DON'T THINK I KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. I DON'T HAVE THE I DON'T HAVE THE INSIGHT OR THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE TO SAY, OKAY, THAT NUMBER IS INSTEAD OF 250. I MEAN, INSTEAD OF 350, MAYBE IT'S TWO 7575 OR WHAT. I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE PULLING A NUMBER OUT OF A HAT RIGHT. AND I GET THAT. SO THAT'S I WOULD JUST SAY. SO THE OTHER THING THAT YOU DO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU REDISTRICT THAT CLOSE IS SOMEBODY GETS ELECTED AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS PERSON'S OVER HERE. AND NOW YOU GOT TO CHANGE. YOU'RE CHANGING EVERYTHING BECAUSE THIS GUY IS OVER HERE. AND HE WAS ELECTED AND HE'S ELECTED FOR, YOU KNOW, AND SO YOU GOT TO CHANGE IT TO THAT. AND THEN WHEN YOU REDISTRICT AGAIN IN 31, THEN YOU'RE REALLY CHANGING ALL THIS TO TRY TO INCLUDE HIM WHEN HE SHOULD NOT BE IN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WITH THE TRAVIS USSERY THING IS, THEY HAD TO CUT OUT A BIG SWATH TO INCLUDE TRAVIS IN THIS DISTRICT. THAT SHOULDN'T REALLY BE PART OF THE PART OF THAT. I REMEMBER. EXACTLY. AND SO THAT'S THE WHEN YOU DO IT THAT CLOSE TOGETHER, YOU'RE GERRYMANDERING. IT SO BAD AND THEN THEN YOU'RE STUCK FOR ANOTHER TEN YEARS OR SO. SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN 31 IS A REQUIREMENT. IT SAYS TYPICALLY YOU DO IT BECAUSE OF NOW WE KNOW THE DEMOGRAPHICS. WE KNOW ALL THE POPULATION. AND SO YES OKAY. YOU THEY TYPICALLY IS IT IS IT IS IT MANDATORY OR IS IT. WHAT IS IT EVERY TEN I MEAN WHEN WE GET THE CENSUS WHY DO WE CHANGE IT. YEAH. EVEN UP TO THIS YOU

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WAS THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CITIES THAT WERE ASPIRING TO BE OR THAT ARE SIMILAR TO US OR A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF US, THEIR COUNCIL MEN AND WOMEN ARE CALLING AND REPRESENTING ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO ABOUT 22,000. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF WHAT OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, MEN AND WOMEN, ARE CALLING ON 50,000. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING TO PUSH THIS TO THE NEXT CONSENSUS, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE GOT ONE CONCERN OF WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT DECIDING FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OR BRINGING FORWARD THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IN 5 OR 10 YEARS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT. WHAT WHAT I THOUGHT, WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NINE, BUT THEY'RE AT LARGE BECAUSE THAT HELPS AGAIN, GIVE MORE COVERAGE ACROSS THE SO THERE IS NO REDISTRICTING. IT'S. AND THEN YOU CAN PUT IT ON. AND BRIAN ACTUALLY YOU HAD IT. YOU SAID IT MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I WAS AS FAR AS, IF WE BRING IT, IF WE BRING IT FORWARD, IF IT'S PUT ON A BALLOT, THEIR VOTE, VOTE TO REDISTRICT, AND THEN IT REALLY WOULDN'T GO INTO PLACE UNTIL 2027, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GROWTH OF MCKINNEY AND WHERE IT IS NOW, BY 2027, THINK OF HOW MUCH LARGER IT'S GOING TO BE BY 2030 WITH THE CONSENSUS. AND TO HAVE THE ONLY THE CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS HANDLING WHAT THE POPULATION WILL BE AND THE CONSTITUENTS WILL BE BY 2030, JUST SEEMS TO ME UNBELIEVABLY AND UNREASONABLE FOR THEM TO BE HANDLING THAT MANY CONSTITUENTS.

WELL, I CAN I CAN TELL YOU THAT, AND GEORGE OR ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DURING THE 2040 PLANNING PERIOD, WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO MAX OUT AT LIKE 320 OR 3 OVER 300,000, I THINK TODAY WE'RE CLOSER TO FOUR. IS THAT RIGHT FOR 2040? WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT CHANGED THAT, THOUGH, IS SB SIX. SO WE'RE WHERE THERE WAS ALWAYS TALK OF US GOING TO I'M SORRY. HE WANTS ME TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. THAT'S AN EIGHT.

YEAH YEAH YEAH I WOULD I WOULD SAY THAT ACTUALLY IT MIGHT EVEN BE A LITTLE REVERSE. IT WAS ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT MCKINNEY WOULD BECOME, THIS 375, 425,000 PERSON CITY SB SIX CAME ABOUT AND WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ANNEX IN AS WE WERE BEFORE, WHERE WE HAVE 110MI■S OF WHAT WAS POTENTIAL CITY GROWTH AND EXPECTED CITY GROWTH 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO IS NOW WE'RE NOT GUARANTEED ANYTHING OVER THE 65 MILES THAT WE HAVE NOW OF INCORPORATED CITY. SO THE ORIGINAL 2040 THEN FOR 2040 WAS PRIOR TO SB SIX. RIGHT. BUT BUT BUT WE MAXED OUT AROUND THE 320 MARK. YEAH. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. YEAH OKAY. AND I WOULD I WOULD SAY THAT WE WILL BE WOULDN'T YOU SAY THAT THAT'S, THAT'S MAYBE THE MOST THAT WE PROBABLY EXPECT TO GROW UNLESS SB SIX WERE TO CHANGE. OKAY OKAY. SO CERTAINLY WE'RE HINDERED FROM WHERE WE WERE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY. BUT THAT HAS NOT. SO IF WE GET TO THAT 320 ISH RANGE IN TOTAL POPULATION WITH FOUR DISTRICT SEATS CURRENTLY, THAT WOULD BE 75,000, A CHANGE FOR A DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE TO HAVE TO REPRESENT. AND SO IS THAT IS THAT NUMBER TWO GREAT. IT SOUNDS AS A LAY PERSON. IT SOUNDS I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE REPRESENTATION TO ME. I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO TIMES, YOU'RE GOING TO REDISTRICT WITHIN PROBABLY A 3 OR 4 YEAR, FOUR YEAR PERIOD. AND THAT'S A NIGHTMARE. YEAH. WELL THAT YEAH I AGREE. AND THAT THAT'S WHERE I GET THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST LIKE I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AFTER, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE POPULATION COUNT AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND THEN DO IT OTHERWISE I'M, I AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ISSUE THAT GETS PRETTY CLUNKY TO BE SURE. BUT MARY ANN, DID YOU NOT

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BUT I DID SUGGEST POSSIBLY ONE DISTRICT AND ONE AT LARGE ALSO. BUT BUT I THINK A GOOD POINT THAT WAS MADE WAS THE FACT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT DISTRICT ONE, WHEN WE REDISTRICTED, DID REDISTRICTING LAST TIME, AND WE STRETCHED DISTRICT ONE ALL THE WAY UP ABOVE 380 AND WENT WEST ALMOST TO LAKE FOREST. THE VALID POINT WAS THAT ULTIMATELY, THE INTERESTS AND NEEDS OF EAST MCKINNEY DISTRICT ONE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE NEEDS OF DISTRICT ONE NORTH OF 380 AND WEST OF 75. AND SO IF YOU HAVE ONLY ONE PERSON THAT WHO'S, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SPECIAL INTEREST, IS THAT DISTRICT, WHERE DO THEY LIE? YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT, WELL, IF YOU ADD A FIFTH DISTRICT, THE LIKELIHOOD WOULD BE IN ORDER TO BALANCE OUT THE NUMBERS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND PULL SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE FROM DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT THREE THAT ARE NORTH OF 380. AND WEST THAT WERE JUST THROWN IN THERE TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK. AND THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS AND POSSIBLY CREATE A DISTRICT WITH THAT, MAYBE NOT, BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT EITHER. BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD SEEM LIKE YOUR MAKEUP WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BETTER ANYWAY IN TERMS OF CENTRALIZING REPRESENTATION ACROSS THE BOARD AND THE REASON I LIKE THE AT LARGE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT TWO AT LARGE OR ONE AT LARGE. I LIKE THAT JUST BECAUSE I STILL BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN A LARGE SEAT, YOU DO TAKE THE MINDSET OF I'M HERE TO HELP EVERYBODY IN MCKINNEY, WHETHER THEY'RE EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE, NORTH OF 380, EL DORADO, CRAIG RANCH, STONEBRIDGE. I THINK YOU TAKE THAT MINDSET JUST LIKE YOU

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BUT I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO GIVE SOME OF THE SOME OF THE ANSWERS AND SOME OF THE RESULTS TO COUNCIL RATHER THAN SAY, OH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM BECAUSE ROUGHLY WE'RE 50% TO CHANGE THE MAKEUP AND WE'RE ROUGHLY 50, BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE MEMBERS. SO THERE'S WE'RE A LONG WAY FROM EVERYONE HOLDING HANDS. SO, YEAH, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THERE COULD BE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT THAT WE RECOMMEND. SOME EXPERTS COME IN AND ADVISE THE COUNCIL ON HOW TO PROCESS COMPOSITION AND REDISTRICTING AND ALL THAT, THAT INVOLVES. OKAY. SO BILL, CHAIRMAN WILL, WILL A DRAFT OF THE PRESENTATION TO BE SENT TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE PRIOR TO ITS PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL ON THE 23RD? WILL WE ALL GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT A DRAFT DOCUMENT? YES OKAY, THAT'D BE GREAT. THEN AS WE LOOK AT PARTICULAR LANGUAGE, SOMEBODY COULD RAISE THEIR HAND AND SAY, DON'T USE MINE. SO SOMEBODY COULD RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, MAYBE THINK ABOUT THIS, MAYBE THINK ABOUT THAT AND EDIT IT A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW IT'S A BIG GROUP EDIT. WELL, SO YOUR ANSWER THAT'S MORE THAN ONE QUESTION. THE FIRST QUESTION WAS WILL THE GROUP HAVE A LOOK AT IT? YES, THE SECOND QUESTION I'M NOT COMMITTING THAT THE GROUP WILL BE ABLE TO SAY TIME OUT. I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE IT. I THINK WE'LL EVERYONE WILL HAVE IT AND HAVE SOME INPUT. BUT AS FAR AS A MASS CHANGE, I DON'T THINK SO. BUT I THINK WHAT IF Y'ALL GET IT WRONG? KEITH. SORRY, I JUST I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. GERRILYN, BUT I DO THINK THIS BODY IS THE ONE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY THE COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I DON'T MIND LEAVING IT UP TO THE EXPERTS, BECAUSE I AM NO EXPERT ON REDISTRICTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT I THINK THAT WE ARE SETTING THE FUTURE UP FOR SUCCESS. IF WE DO ADD THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I DO LIKE THE ONE AT LARGE AND ONE SINGLE MEMBER. NOW EVERY CITY HAS A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN. WE DO IT RIGHT NOW AS, MAYOR.

LOCKMILLER SAID, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ABOUT 20, 27. WE COULD GET THAT IN PLACE AFTER THE CENSUS IS DONE. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LONG PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE WE CAN REDISTRICT ANYTHING ANYWAYS, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT DATA AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO PUT THE MAPS OUT THERE AND GET ALL THAT STUFF DONE. SO MAYBE LOOKING AT 2033, 2032 AT THE EARLIEST. SO THAT'S FIVE YEARS RIGHT THERE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS TRYING TO LET THE CENSUS DATA AND THE CENSUS

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ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE AT LARGE VERSUS A SINGLE MEMBER AND I A LOT OF US THOUGHT THAT ADDING AN AT LARGE DOESN'T TAKE ANY HEAT OFF OF THE SINGLE MEMBER PEOPLE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE REPRESENTING 50,000 PEOPLE AND YOU ADD AN AT LARGE, THAT SINGLE MEMBER PERSON IS STILL REPRESENTING 50,000 PEOPLE. SO I IF WE DO IT, I WOULD BE MORE FOR TWO MORE SINGLE DISTRICTS. BUT I'M STILL OF THE OPINION THAT WE NEED TO WAIT. I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING NOW. I'M WITH GERRILYN. I'M NOT AN EXPERT. I'D RATHER WAIT TILL THE CENSUS COMES OUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY, AND I THINK WE CAN HANG ON A FEW MORE YEARS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S DYING. I FEEL LIKE, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ALL THAT. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT THE EXPERTS, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT. THE PEOPLE WHO CONSULT EVERY DAY ON. HOW DO YOU REDISTRICT A CITY? RIGHT, AND THAT THERE'S SO MANY LAYERS TO THAT. I THINK, THOUGH, WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WE SEE THAT THIS IS COMING. RIGHT.

AND HOW CAN WE SET UP A PLAN TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT 2031? THE CENSUS HAS COME OUT AND NOW WE HAVE ALL THIS DATA, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND TAKE US UNTIL 2033 TO BE IN THAT PLACE, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE BY THAT POINT. AND SO I THINK WE'RE NOT I, I WOULD CERTAINLY STEP BACK, IF SOMEONE ASKED ME TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE LINES ARE, HOW TO DRAW THE LINES, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS IS DONE, BEFORE IT BECOMES OVERWHELMING FOR ANYONE. AN OPTION MIGHT BE IN THE REPORT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, COUNCIL COMPOSITION AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED MULTIPLE TIMES AND ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE'RE NOT THE EXPERTS IN IN COUNCIL COMPOSITIONS OR MAKEUPS AND THEN GO INTO SOME OF THE SOME OF THE REASONING ABOUT REPRESENTATION AND ABOUT SINGLE MEMBER AND ABOUT AT LARGE AND LET THE COUNCIL TAKE IT FROM THERE. YES, SIR. SO LET LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE.

WE KIND OF IN THIS I'M LOOKING AT. DISTRICT ONE THAT HAS A LOT OF GROWTH AND A LOT IT'S HUGE.

DISTRICT ONE ALSO HAS THE AIRPORT. DISTRICT ONE WILL SOON HAVE THIS CHAMBER IN IT.

DISTRICT ONE WILL STILL HAVE INDUSTRY IN IT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING THE COMPOSITION OF THAT INDIVIDUAL VERSUS RESIDENTS. IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. THAT'S WHY I LOOK AT IT. CAN WE AFFORD FOR MCKINNEY TO WAIT TILL THE CENSUS IF THAT GROWTH AND I'M NOT TALKING RESIDENTS, I'M TALKING INDUSTRY, COMMERCIAL COMES INTO THAT. HOW DOES THAT PLAY? I ALSO THINK THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE MORE DETERMINED ON THAT, BECAUSE IF THEY IF THEY FEEL OVERWHELMED, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO LIKE, WE GOT TO CHANGE THIS AND SO IT'S REALLY UP TO THEM. I LIKE TAMMY'S COMPOSITION. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WITH THE MORE SINGLE DISTRICTS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE YOU CAN YOU CAN DIVVY IT UP BETTER AND MAKE DISTRICT ONE SMALLER AND MORE CENTRALIZED TO WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE FOR, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER AREA, SO ALSO YOU HAVE SIX DISTRICTS NOW YOU CAN HAVE PROBABLY A MINORITY DISTRICT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A MINORITY DISTRICT ANYMORE. IT WAS IT'S IT THERE'S THE MINORITIES ARE SPREAD OUT TOO MUCH. AND AND SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY HAVE A MINORITY DISTRICT IF YOU WENT BACK TO SIX. AND SO I LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S MORE CENTRAL REPRESENTATION VERSUS THE AT-LARGE. I LIKE THAT, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT ENCORE IS SITTING OVER THERE, THAT'S A HUGE FLOOD. NOW WE HAVE AMAZON, NOW WE'VE GOT UPS, WE HAVE ALL THIS INDUSTRY IN DISTRICT ONE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN EVERYBODY ELSE'S DISTRICT. WHEN I LOOK AT HOW MCKINNEY IS MADE UP, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING, CAN WE ACTUALLY WAIT? BECAUSE THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE OUT HERE FOR ITS RESIDENTS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL GROWTH. AND I DON'T THINK WE COMMERCIAL GROWTH IS GREAT BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF TAXES AND STUFF LIKE

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WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE COMPARISON YOU ARE MAKING, THERE IS A SUPPORT STAFF FAIRLY, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY GET PAID TO. I MEAN, YOU CAN. YEAH, A WHOLE LOT MORE. BUT I MEAN, THERE'S, MY POINT IS THAT I REALLY, RELATE TO WHAT RANDY SAID ABOUT PEOPLE AREN'T ENGAGE, THEY'RE NOT COMING TO, TO HIM. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS.

AND THEY'RE IN HIS DISTRICT. AND THAT WAS YOUR WORDS, NOT MINE. I WAS LIKE, SO 99% OF THEM HAVE NO IDEA THEY REPRESENT ANYONE ELSE. SO THE 1% SO HYPER ENGAGED. PEOPLE ARE KEYBOARD WARRIORS, RIGHT? THESE 2. AND NOW IT'S A VERY IT'S A VERY SMALL. RIGHT. SO WE'VE PROBABLY HAVE 4 OR 5 ITEMS THAT OUTSTANDING. SIX ITEMS OUTSTANDING. IT'S 8:00. DO WE WANT TO TRY TO SEE IF ANYTHING HAS CHANGED AFTER OUR GROUP MEETINGS. OR DO YOU WANT STAFF TO COMPILE THE REPORT.

WE'LL LOOK AT IT. AND THEN IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS WE CAN DISCUSS THE REPORT. WOULD WE LIKE TO DO A SLIDESHOW AGAIN ON THE. WE CAN FAST FORWARD TO THE ONES THAT WE HAD NOT HAD CONSENSUS ON, JUST TO SEE WHERE WE ALL LAND. NOW JUST THE SLIDESHOW SURVEY REAL QUICK TO SEE. WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS OR SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS. CAN WE POSSIBLY JUST CAN THE TWO OF YOU MAYBE JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU THINK YOU'VE HEARD? AND I MEAN, WHAT WHAT YOU WOULD SAY TO STAFF BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME AGAIN, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WERE PRETTY WELL WORKED IN THERE. 2 OR 3. SO. RIGHT, I'M LOOKING AT YOU. YEAH. THEN I WOULD BEFORE YOU DO THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THE TERM LIMITS, TAKE THIS GROUP OVER HERE. THE, THE QUESTION TO ME HAS BEEN DO WE WANT TO KEEP TERM LIMITS OR DO AWAY WITH TERM LIMITS? I THINK THAT QUESTION HAS CHANGED.

DO YOU WANT TO KEEP TERM LIMITS LIKE THEY ARE OR POTENTIALLY GO TO A THREE TERM TERM LIMITS THAT THAT'S THE ONLY MOVEMENT OFF OF TERM LIMITS I'VE REALLY SEEN. SOME LEVEL OF SOME LEVEL OF

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BUT I REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT IT. IT WAS THE PROMPTING QUESTION. YEAH YEAH. BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED WAS DO WE ADD A THIRD OR DO WE STICK WITH TWO. SO HERE WE ARE. ANYWAY, I THINK I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT CHANGING THE QUESTION. I THINK ANYONE ELSE HAVING ANYTHING. DO WE WANT TO GO NEED TO GO ALONG. SO. WE STILL HAVE THOSE BLOCKS IN THE CHAT. FOR I DON'T KNOW DO YOU WANT DO YOU WANT A CHEESECAKE. NO THANK YOU. DID YEAH. HEY TREVOR, CAN YOU PUT UP THE COMMISSION CHARGE FROM COUNCIL? JUST A YOU MEAN THIS OR YOU MEAN THE FOUR ITEMS? THE FOUR ITEMS. ALL RIGHT. YES SO, MISCELLANEOUS FOUR. YEAH. WE GOT. YOU'RE FINE.

SO IF WE GO DOWN THAT. SO WHAT WAS ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THOUGH? YEAH. WE'VE GOT.

I GOT ZERO. THIS IS STILL WORKING. SO. TREVOR. YES, SIR. LET'S DO, A PARTIAL SLIDESHOW.

DO A NUMBER OF TERMS. YES COMPETITIONS, COMPOSITION. OKAY, LET ME JUST MAKE AND, PULL THE LANGUAGE UP ON TERM LIMITS. LET ME SEE IF THAT ADDRESSES THAD'S QUESTION. YEAH, I ACTUALLY THINK WE SHOULD DO ALL OF THE TERMS BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO SETS OF TERMS AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT.

YEAH, YEAH. SO DO THE QUESTIONS ON THE TERMS AND COMPOSITION. TERM LIMIT TERM TERM LIMITS.

WHEN I SAID TERMS MEANT YEAH RIGHT. SO LET ME LET ME JUST REPEAT BACK THIS ONE. THAT'S FIRST HERE. YEAH WE'VE GOT SOME CLARITY. I FEEL LIKE FROM THE GROUP ON PAUSE PERIOD. SO WE'LL JUMP DOWN. I THINK YOU HAVE CLARITY ON PREFERENCE REGARDING LENGTH OF TERM. YES. SO IT WOULD BE THE FIRST AND THE LAST. YES AGREED THAT ON THE SLIDE. TREVOR, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TAKING MORE THAN THREE TERMS OFF AND CONDENSING IT INTO TWO OPTIONS AT THIS POINT? NO, NO, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, THE QUESTION WILL REMAIN. AND LIKE IT IS. YEAH I CAN DO THAT. I'D RECOMMEND AS OPPOSED TO EVERYBODY STARING AT ME AND CREATING SOME, TENSION WITH MY WORK. WE TAKE A SHORT BIOLOGY BREAK AND THEN, OKAY, IT'LL BE READY IN 3 TO 5 MINUTES. I WILL ASK MR. CHAIR. OH, YEAH. WE JUST WANT TO SEE WHERE WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE SUMMARIZING FROM OUR QUESTION. I THOUGHT WE SAID IF WE GO TO THREE TIMES THAT, THAT WOULD BE IT. SO YOU COULD DO EITHER TWO TERMS OR THREE TERMS. AFTER THREE TERMS YOU ARE DONE. YOU DO NOT RUN IN FOR THE CHOICE THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN IN THIS GROUP OVER HERE. NO YOU'RE DONE PERIOD. YOU'RE DONE SERVING,

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AFTER I GET 18 RESPONSES, THE NEXT ONE COME UP LIKE, HOW DO WE ANSWER THIS? STILL, FOLKS. BUT WE TOUCHED ON A COUPLE POINTS. YEAH, I THOUGHT WE WERE. I MEAN, ON THE NUMBER OF TURNOVERS IT SAYS IS EITHER OR. I TRIED TO I CAN'T MOVE OUR SLIDES. YEAH. WE CAN'T SEE HOW IT MIGHT. IT MIGHT IMPLODES. SO ONCE ALL OF US HAVE VOTED THEN IT WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE WAS INSIGHT THAT WE ALL THREE. YEAH BUT. ONLY ONE QUESTION AT A TIME. WHAT'S THAT ONE? I CAN. JUST ANSWER A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM. I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I GOT TO I GOT THE QR THING INSIDE THE. SO.

IT GETS BIGGER. THE NUMBER. YEA. SORRY. SORRY. THANK YOU. I GUES. 18. SO WE'RE WE'RE WAITING ON ONE MORE. ONE MORE, ONE MORE, ONE MORE. YES. THERE IT IS. ALL RIGHT. 637. I WAS THERE, I WAS.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. HOW DO WE HAVE 19? I DON'T KNOW, SOMEBODY TWIC. HOW DO I GET. COME ON. I JUST SUGGESTED. ARE WE DOING IT AGAIN? I'M IMPRESSED WITH HOW QUICK YOU ARE. I TOLD HIM I THINK I CAN RESET IT, IF YOU WANT ME TO. IF IT'S IF IT'S IF IT'S ONE, IT'S NOT GOING TO

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THIS IS. THIS IS ALL THE PEOPLE THERE ARE ONLY 18 HERE. OH, YEA. NEWS MEDIA DOESN'T GET A VOTE.

OKAY OH. WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH 17. I START ALL OVER. YOU KNOW. OH, DON'T WORRY. NICE TO SEE THE SAVIOR. IS IT GOING TO BE BACKED UP A LITTLE? I ONE QUESTION. I DID. LET ME DOWN.

WELL SOMEBODY DOESN'T TELL ME IT WASN'T YOU. DID YOU DO IT ON ONE? HE DID NOT. SAY HE SAID HE DID. HE DID. ON THIS ONE. OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. OH MY GOD. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

THERE YOU GET IT? WHERE? YOU WON'T BE FROZEN IN TIME IF YOU SNAP THAT I GOT IT. YEAH ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIR, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON. I DON'T KNOW, DO IT AGAIN. BUT, YEAH, IT SHOULD JUST BE AUTOMATICALLY. AND I'M GOING TO BE. THIS IS IF THERE'S NOT TERM LIMITS SLEEPING IN. IF THERE IS TERM OKAY. NOW. SO NOW BASED ON EVERYONE'S VOTING THERE'S TERM LIMITS. AND THEN CHARLIE KIND OF ONE OF THOSE ONE OF THOSE CIRCLES. THAT'S ASSUMING THAT THERE'S SCIENTIFIC INSTRUMENTS. YEAH. YEAH SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. IT'S ONE OF THESE ONE. STILL MISSING ONE. THERE WE GO. JUST LET'S JUST SAY THAT. OH JUST. SO THERE YOU GO. WE HAD A QUICK COUNCIL.

IT'S HARD TO BUILD COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR. THEY ALL RETURNED. YEAH CORRECT. RIGHT IT LOOKS SO OVERWHELMING THAT IT'S REALLY MORE THAN TEN VOTES. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S. YEAH, BUT YOU HAVE SO FEW THE PERCENTAGE GETS SKEWED. I CAN'T CHANGE IT. NO NO NO NO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU AND I JUST KEEP IT IN PERSPECTIVE IN PROBABLY TEN 8 OR 11 SEVEN. IS THAT FAIR? YES NO, IT'S MORE THAN THREE IS IN FAVOR OF FOUR BECAUSE YOU GOT THREE TERMS. TWO TERMS OR MORE THAN THREE. YEAH. IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF MORE THAN THREE, WOULD YOU DEFINITELY BE IN FAVOR OF THREE. SO 62% SUPPORT A THREE TERM. YES. BECAUSE IF YOU SUPPORT FOUR YOU PROBABLY SUPPORT THREE AND TWO CURRENTLY. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE YOUR COMPROMISE. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. EXACTLY. IF WE'RE USING. OKAY. WOULD THAT I'M SORRY. WOULD THAT IN FACT BECOME OUR RECOMMENDATION. NO I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S NOT ENOUGH OF A POSITION TO CREATE A COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. IT IS ENOUGH TO REPORT THE, THE NUMBERS AS WE AS WE'VE SEEN THEM. HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THAT? 17. TREVOR. WE HAVE MORE. IT'S TEN. SEVEN ONE. SORRY WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ARE WE GOOD, THESE ARE THE TWO THAT I'VE PREPARED. YEP, YEP. OKAY WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE ABSENT THREE VOTES FROM THE PRIOR, POLLING THIS THIS MIGHT BE A TOSS UP. TOO CLOSE TO CALL. WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER THREE WOULD HAVE VOTED

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THAT'S FAIR. MISTER CHAIR. YEAH. SO ARE YOU SAYING THIS PRETTY MUCH ANSWERS THE I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE A REPORT TO DO IN LANGUAGE SURROUNDING OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS POINT, BUT THIS DATA IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED THE RESULTS OF THIS QUERY IS GOING WELL. WE'VE GOT ONE POLL THAT WE HAVE HAD 100% PARTICIPATION IN. AND THAT'S NOT IT. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT.

YEAH I MEAN WE'VE HAD ONE POLL IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WHERE 21 MEMBERS PARTICIPATED. YEAH. AND THAT'S NOT THIS ONE. SO THE QUESTION IS MINUS THOSE MEMBERS HOW HOW DOES THAT CHANGE IF IT DOES THE DATA. SO ABSENT THAT INFORMATION YOU COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT THIS MAY BE DIRECTIONAL, BUT IT'S INCONCLUSIVE. OR IS IT IS IT ALSO TRUE THAT YOU COULD, SEND OUT THIS WHATEVER THIS AND WHATEVER OTHER QUESTION YOU MIGHT WE MIGHT HAVE LEFT ON THE TABLE AND DO A SECOND BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, DO A SECOND MEETING. AND, AND JUST IRREGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME REPORT THAT. WELL TRY THAT AGAIN AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING NOW.

AND THE AND THE REPORTING. YOU COULD DO ANOTHER ANOTHER SURVEY OF THE 21 OF US ONLINE. SEND IT OUT, GET THE RESULTS IN AND JUST LET THAT STAND AS THE ANSWER TO. AND YOU'D HAVE 21 PEOPLE PLAYIN.

SO AFTER THIS LAST MEETING, WE SEND IT BACK OUT WITH EVERYONE'S HAD AS MUCH DATA AS POSSIBLE AND ONCE AGAIN PRESS FOR 21 RESPONSES. YES. AND TAKE THAT DATA AS THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.

BUT THEN IF YOU IF YOU REQUIRE, IF YOU SAY THAT NOTHING'S VALID UNLESS WE GET 21 RESPONSES, THEN AND I'M NOT ACCUSING ANY SPECIFIC PERSON OF DOING SOMETHING, BUT SOMEBODY IN THE MINORITY CAN JUST NOT VOTE. AND WIN THE VOTE OR HOLD IT UP. I DON'T IF THEY'RE NOT HERE TO VOTE, THEY'RE NOT HERE TO VOTE. I MEAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? HOW MANY RESPONSES DID YOU HAVE? THE FIRST VOTE JUST ASKED? 21, 21, 20, 21 SO GEORGE, ON THE FIRST VOTE, THERE WAS 11 FOR TWO TWO TERMS. THERE WERE, TWO FOR THREE TERMS AND EIGHT FOR MORE THAN THREE. IT'S 11, TWO AND EIGHT. BUT NOW THERE'S NOW YOU HAVE TEN, SEVEN AND ONE. AND THEN ON THE TERM LIMIT QUESTION, WHAT WAS IT? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW MANY TERMS ARE NO TERMS 11 AND TEN, 11 AND TEN. IT WAS 11 AND TEN. YEAH. 11 TO 10, 11 TO 10. THEN THE I, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED. THEN BECAUSE THE QUESTION PREVIOUS TO THIS IS ASKING ARE WE FOR OR AGAINST TERM LIMITS. AND THEN THIS QUESTION, EVERYONE WHO CHOSE NO TERM LIMITS RATHER THAN CHOOSING MORE THAN THREE WENT WITH THREE.

SO ARE YOU REALLY AGAINST TERM LIMITS OR I GUESS, DOES MY CONFUSION MAKE SENSE? NO, IT'S I THINK IT'S A COMPROMISE. I THINK YOU'VE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A COMPROMISE. PEOPLE ARE. SO I'M

[02:20:03]

SO YOU COULD. WHERE DO YOU DRAW A CONCLUSION ON THIS SAMPLE SIZE? YOU KNOW WHAT IF I SAW IF I IF I SAW LIKE, YOU KNOW, 90% OF PEOPLE WERE IN FAVOR OF ONE POSITION OR ANOTHER, I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CONCLUSIVE. WELL, THEN A LOT OF THAT, WHEN YOU GOT A WHEN YOU DEPICTED THIS BY TWO PARTIES, BY TWO VOTES, IT CHANGES THE WHOLE OUTCOME. THAT'S THAT'S THE EFFECT OF A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF WE NEED 90, A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE DECIDED TONIGHT WOULDN'T HAVE PASSED. AND SO DO WE. DO WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND GIVE COUNCIL THE NUMBERS THAT WE CAME UP WITH AND JUST LET THEM MAKE THAT DECISION. SO EVEN THOUGH IT COULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THIS, BUT WE'RE ALSO GIVING THEM THE NUMBERS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF WE HAVE TO COME TO 90, WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE ALL NIGHT. I SPOILED IT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT ALL OF COUNCIL WILL WATCH THIS MEETING AND ALL OF COUNCIL WILL KNOW THESE NUMBERS. SO YOU ALL. I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE YOU SOME TIME. IT'S 835. SO IF YOU'RE WORRYING ABOUT WHETHER COUNCIL WILL OR WON'T HEAR THE NUMBERS, THIS IS AN OPEN MEETING THAT'S RECORDED THAT ALL THE COUNCIL WILL BE REVIEWING THE RECORD AND I THINK YEAH. AND BILL, WHAT'S WRONG WITH GIVING THEM BOTH. WHAT'S WRONG WITH GIVING THEM BOTH POLLS? THE I AGREE. YEAH. AND GIVE COUNCIL THE DATA THAT WE'VE AND THE TIME WE'VE SPENT DISCUSSING THIS AND LET THEM MAKE THAT DECISION. IT'S GOOD TO GIVE THEM BOTH POLLS. BUT YOU GOT TO GIVE THEM THE CONTEXT HOW WE GOT TO THE SECOND. ABSOLUTELY. SO HOW THIS REPORT IS DRAFTED WILL BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT IN THAT REGARD. NO PRESSURE OKAY. I'M GOING TO THROW I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO SORRY, BUT I'M GONNA THROW SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE. SO IN THE EVENT SO CURRENTLY WE'RE AT TWO TERMS IN ANY POSITION NOT MORE THAN FOUR TOTAL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY CHANGING TO THREE. ARE WE ALSO CHANGING TOTAL LIFETIME TOTAL. NO THIS IS JUST TOTAL. SO RIGHT

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AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL THE VOTERS ABOUT? WHAT'S THE OVERWHELMING REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THIS? WHY ARE WE GOING FROM TWO TERMS TO THREE TERMS? IT'S NOT OUR DECISION TO MAKE.

WELL THAT'S A GREAT POINT. WE HAVE TO HAVE A REASON TO MAKE THE CHANGE. AND I DON'T I DON'T SEE A VALID REASON, A COMPELLING REASON EITHER. AND IF WE IF WE FOLLOWED THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS, WHICH IS TWO TERMS AS COUNCIL MEMBER, TWO TERMS AS MAYOR, ETC, SOME COMBINATION OF FOUR. IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT NOW, THREE TERMS, IN ANY ONE SEATED POSITION, YOU GO FROM FROM 16 YEARS TO 24 YEARS. WOW 24 YEARS IS HALF OF A CAREE. THAT'S A LONG TIME, FOLKS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO GET AWAY FROM. THEY DON'T NEED CAREER COUNCIL PEOPLE. THEY JUST DON'T. AND THAT'S THAT'S JUST SILLY. PUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO GO FOR THAT ANYMORE. OKAY SO AS FAR AS THE THREE YEARS WAS THE COUNT, WE DID THREE YEARS, THREE TERMS, NOT NOT 12 YEARS.

WE DID THREE YEAR, THREE TERMS. AND YOU'RE DONE. PERIOD. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CONSENSUS.

WASN'T THE QUESTION. NO. THAT THAT WAS NOT THE GROUP. WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT AS A GROUP.

RIGHT I THINK THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ON SOME OF THE BREAKOUT GROUPS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE TOGETHER THAT DISCUSSION. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK 3. SO WHAT ABOUT THIS. WE TAKE THE DATA THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE STAFF COMPILE A REPORT. WE DISTRIBUTE THE REPORT TO THE 21 MEMBERS. IT STAYS THERE. IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS WE SEND THOSE BACK. SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND THEN WE'LL PREPARE THE REPORT AND DELIVER IT ON THE 23RD. TREVOR. BIG SIGH AS HE WALKS. OH YOU KNOW A LITTLE YAWN, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE SOME CONSENSUS ON FOUR ITEMS AND I'D LIKE TO REPEAT SORRY TO USE THE C WORD, MR. CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE.

YOU HAVE AGREEMENT ON FOUR ITEMS, AND I'D LIKE TO READ THOSE FOUR YEAR TERMS FOR THE POSITIONS. THAT WAS PRETTY CLEAR. CHANGING COMPENSATION TO MONTHLY STIPENDS WAS PRETTY CLEAR. THOSE MONTHLY STIPENDS BEING AT 1007 50, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER, RESPECTIVELY, WAS PRETTY CLEAR. AND THEN WE DIDN'T STATE THIS, BUT IT SEEMED THAT THERE WAS PRETTY CLEAR AGREEMENT THAT THE SERVICE PAUSE PERIOD WOULD BE ONE YEAR. OKAY TREVOR, WE DID MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT TYING THOSE ON COMPENSATION TO CPI. YES, I GOT A LITTLE NUMBERS AS PERCENTAGE. THANK YOU. CPI ALL RIGHT. AND THEN TO THE COMMENT THAT WAS JUST MADE, I THINK THERE'S STILL PRESENTATION.

HOWEVER THAT'S DONE TO SHOW THE TRAVEL OF PARTICULARLY THIS QUESTION. AND THEN ALSO TERM LIMITS VERSUS NO TERM LIMITS. IS THAT FAIR. YEAH THAT'S AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD SAY IS, WE DIDN'T REALLY GET ANYWHERE FROM WHAT I HEARD, AND MAYBE I DIDN'T HEAR ON THE COMPOSITION, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND COMPOSITION. IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO DO THE SAME TYPE OF COMBINATION, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, THERE'S NO REAL NUMBER DATA TO THROW AT COMPOSITION, SO THAT MAY BE BEST IN A VERBAL FORMAT FROM THE CHAIR OR HOW, HOWEVER, HAVE YOU. BUT THAT SECTION WE WOULD MENTION, THAT THERE WASN'T AGREEMENT IN REGARDS TO COMPENSATION COMPOSITION. EXCUSE ME, UNLESS I DIDN'T HEAR THAT CORRECTLY FROM THE GROUP AND I'M HAPPY TO BE CORRECTED. WE HAVE SOME DATA POINTS RELATED TO COMPOSITION THAT WE COULD SHARE WITH COUNCIL. WE SPENT A LOT OF OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT HAVING EXPERTS COME IN AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE TIMING OF ADDING COUNCIL

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COULD WE SPECIFY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WE RECOMMEND COUNCIL SEEKS THE GUIDANCE OF A OF AN EXPERT CONSULTANT. THAT YOU KNOW RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO AND SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL IS IN OUR REALM OF, ESPECIALLY IN THIS TIME PERIOD. RIGHT. AND, AND THAT THAT WE RECOMMEND MAYBE IT HAPPENS ON A, ON A TIME FRAME THAT THEY LOOK AT IT BEFORE THE CENSUS. BECAUSE LIKE WE HAD SAID, THE 2030 CENSUS IS GOING TO TAKE A FEW YEARS BEFORE IT GOES INTO EFFEC.

MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THE COMPOSITION INCREASE TO NINE MEMBERS, AND FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, WORDS CHANGING THE WORDING HERE, THE COUNCIL OR THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE COUNCIL SEEK THE ADVICE OF SOMEONE OF PROFESSIONALS IN THAT FIELD OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SPECIALISTS IN THAT AREA, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, EXCEPT, BUT ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE COMMISSION FELT LIKE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLORED. YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER A CONSENSUS THERE, THOUGH I DON'T I'M TRYING TO RECALL THAT POLL THAT ASKED THAT QUESTION HOW MANY IN THIS GROUP, OUT OF THE 21 THAT WERE POLLED? WANTED TO GO? LET'S ASK IT, ARE YOU AGAINST THAT? WELL, I'M JUST NO. WELL ACTUALLY I AM I'M LIKE I SAID IN MY NOTES, I'M. I'M UNDECIDED, BUT I WANT FURTHER STUDY ON IT. BUT I DID HEAR SOME PEOPLE TALK ABOUT NOT WANTING LIKE, ROB'S NOT HERE, BUT I KNOW HE WAS ONE THAT WANTED TO STAY WITH SEVEN. I THINK RANDY IS ANOTHER ONE. WELL, IT WAS 45. IT WAS 45. IT WAS NINE FOR SEVEN AND TEN FOR NINE. THAT WAS THE RESULT. SO MAJORITY WERE WANTED TO STAY. NO OH NO TEN. WE'RE OFF BY ONE OKAY. YEAH OKAY. YEAH SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE VERY CLOSE.

YES. CHANGE VERSUS NO CHANGE. YES RIGHT. BUT SO DO WE STICK WITH THAT. AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HERE WERE THE NUMBERS. HERE'S HOW WE THAT'S ALL WE DISCUSSED. YEAH RIGHT. YEAH. SO THERE WILL BE NO RECOMMENDATION ON COUNCIL COMPOSITION. BUT THERE WILL BE DATA POINTS THAT WE'LL SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL. OKAY WHAT'S NEXT I THINK I GOT WHAT I NEED JUST FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE. I WANT TO SET EXPECTATIONS. WE WILL LIKELY BE ABLE TO AGGREGATE THIS, PUT IT IN A FORMAT THAT EVERYBODY CAN, DIGEST THE AGENDA FOR TUESDAY, JULY 23RD IS GOING TO BE POSTED ON NEXT FRIDAY. SO A WEEK FROM THIS FRIDAY LIKELY YOU ALL RECEIVED SOME TYPE OF REPORT THAT SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING IN THE MANNER THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE. I'D SAY BY THE END OF THE WEEK, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU HAVE ROUGHLY UNTIL, LET'S SAY, WEDNESDAY OF NEXT WEEK TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK, IF THAT FEEDBACK HAPPENS TO BE ROBUST, JUST UNDERSTAND THE SOONER THE BETTER. BECAUSE IF THERE'S A MAJOR SHIFT IN THE FEEDBACK, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD THEN HAVE TO GO BACK OUT AGAIN FOR A SECOND PASS TO THE GROUP. I ONLY MENTIONED ALL OF THAT JUST BECAUSE OF OUR POSTING REQUIREMENTS AND THE TIMELINE. WE HAVE TO GET TO THE 23RD, ALL

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VERY GOOD. THAT'D BE GREAT. WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TREVOR, VERY MUCH. ALL OF YOU GUYS.

ANYONE HAVE ANY ANY OTHER ITEMS TONIGHT? ANYONE GERRILYN. NO. OKAY. YOU'VE EXCEEDED THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU CAN HIT YOUR RED BUTTON. I DIDN'T TURN IT OFF. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE GOOD. THEN WE WILL ADJOURN, AND IT'S 845. THANK

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.