Aug 06, 2024 City Council Work Session

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KNOW YOU'RE READY. ARE WE READY? READY. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. TODAY IS TUESDAY,

[CALL TO ORDER]

[DISCUSS REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS for the City Council Regular Meeting to be held on Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. ]

SO WE WANT TO ALLOW MORE TIME FOR THEM TO COLLECT THE SIGNATURES THAT THEY NEED. I THINK, THOUGH, JUST A LITTLE CAVEAT TO THAT, TO BE FAIR, THEY THEY WERE THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD ACHIEVED IT JUST BASED ON SOME DIALOG, BECAUSE IT WAS A, IT WAS A POINT, SOMETHING OF A PERCENTAGE POINT. SO, IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE'RE GIVING THEM, WE ARE GIVING THEM MORE TIME, BUT TIME BECAUSE HAD THEY KNOWN DEFINITIVELY THAT THEY MISSED IT BY THAT SMALLEST AMOUNT, WHETHER THEY COULD HAVE OR COULDN'T HAVE, THEY DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME THAT THEY COULD HAVE POSSIBLY CORRECTED. SO JUST IS EVERYONE GOING TO BE OKAY WITH TABLING THAT ISSUE TO THE NEXT MEETING? YES, SIR. MAYOR PRO TEM, AND WE WILL HAVE TO NOTICE IT FOR THE NEXT. GOT IT? YES EARLY SEPTEMBER OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEM THAT

[Consider/Discuss the 457(b) Deferred Compensation Plans Under the Comprehensive Benefits Offered to City of McKinney Employees]

HOW DO WE GIVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL? THAT WILL BE BASED ON THE INVESTMENT POLICY THAT ULTIMATELY, IF THE COUNCIL CONCURS, YOU WILL ADOPT TONIGHT.

TONY WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THE CITY'S FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, HOW THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS KIND OF GUIDE US IN MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE TAKING THE PROPER CARE OF OUR 457 PLANS. AND THEN LASTLY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS AND TIMELINE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TONY WILL TALK ABOUT IS YOU WILL SEE IF THE COUNCIL CONCURS. WE WILL ISSUE AN RFP LATER THIS YEAR THAT BASICALLY WILL COMPARE WHAT IS IN THE MARKET TODAY IN TERMS OF 457 PLANS TO WHAT WE HAVE, AND WE WILL BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL ON IF THERE SHOULD BE ANY CHANGES TO OUR PLANS, BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THAT RFP PROCESS, AGAIN, COMPARING IT TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. SO WHAT IS 457 B PLAN? IT'S A DEFERRED COMPENSATION PLAN. AND BASICALLY THE WAY THAT IT WORKS IS IT'S TAX ADVANTAGED TO THE FOLKS THAT INVEST IN IT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU INVEST MONEY INTO A 457 B PLAN, IT REDUCES YOUR TAXABLE INCOME IN ANY GIVEN YEAR. SO YOU'RE PAYING LESS ON TAX IN THE YEAR THAT YOU MAKE THE CONTRIBUTION. AND THEN THE THEORY IS WHEN YOU DRAW THAT MONEY OUT LATER, YOU'RE PROBABLY IN YOUR RETIREMENT YEARS, YOU'RE PROBABLY IN A LOWER TAX BRACKET THAN WHEN YOU WERE ACTIVELY WORKING. SO YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF A TAX BENEFIT. PUTTING THE MONEY IN. AND YOU ALSO GET A TAX BENEFIT WHEN YOU PULL IT OUT BECAUSE YOUR RETIREMENT AGE AND YOU'RE PROBABLY IN A LOWER INCOME THAN YOU WERE WHEN YOU

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NOW, WE CURRENTLY OFFER TWO OF THEM. WE OFFER ONE CALLED MISSION SQUARE, WHICH A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO CHANGED ITS NAME FROM THE RETIREMENT CORPORATION COMPONENT OF THE INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION, OR ICMA, WE HAVE ABOUT 273 PARTICIPANTS IN THAT ONE, A LITTLE SHY OF $15 MILLION IN ASSETS, AND THE OTHER ONE IS NATIONWIDE. THE CITY ESTABLISHED THAT 1 IN 2008. AS YOU CAN SEE, 325 PARTICIPANTS AND A LITTLE BIT SHY OF $23 MILLION IN ASSETS IN THAT PLAN. SO WHAT IS THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE? I REALLY WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FIRST LINE, THE FIRST SET OF LINES ON THE SLIDE HERE. THE COMMITTEE PROVIDES THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER WITH OVERSIGHT AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE OPERATIONS AND ADMINISTRATION OF THE PLANS. WELL, HOW DOES HOW DOES THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MR. GRIMES AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL? WHAT ARE WE OPERATING UNDER? AND REALLY, WHEN I TAKE YOU TO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE, IT'S THE INVESTMENT POLICY THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND, SECOND DOCUMENT THAT WE'LL BE ASKING FOR. THE CITY COUNCIL'S CONCURRENCE, THIS AFTERNOON AT YOUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, THE INVESTMENT POLICY STATEMENT DEFINES THE OBJECTIVES, ROLES AND PROCESS BY WHICH INVESTMENTS ARE SELECTED AND MONITORED. THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL. IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. IF YOU WANT TO READ THE WHOLE THING. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE INVESTMENT POLICY THIS EVENING, BUT THERE'S REALLY THREE OVERARCHING PRINCIPLES THAT ARE IN THAT POLICY THAT I WANT TO MAKE THE COUNCIL AWARE OF. NUMBER ONE, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OUR PLAN PARTICIPANTS WITH THE LEAST THREE OPTIONS FOR THEM TO INVEST IN IF THEY WANT TO VARYING DEGREES OF RISK VERSUS REWARD. IF YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE YOUNGER IN YOUR CAREER, IT'S WORTH IT TO YOU TO TAKE SOME RISK. BUT MAYBE YOU GAIN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL OF RETURN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LATER IN MY CAREER. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE QUITE AS MUCH RISK, AND YOU GET A LITTLE BIT LESS ON RETURNS, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT SAFER INVESTMENT. SO OPTIONS NUMBER TWO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATES IN THE PROGRAMS UNDERSTANDS WHAT THOSE RISK REWARDS ARE. SO INFORMATION WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE INFORMED. AND NUMBER THREE, AS THEY GROW AND CHANGE THROUGHOUT THEIR CAREER, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THEIR INVESTMENT OPTIONS. IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO AT THEIR DISCRETION. SO REALLY, THAT'S KIND OF THE OVERVIEW OF THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT WE'LL ASK YOU TO, APPROVE LATER ON THIS EVENING, AND I THINK THAT LAST POINT HERE, IN TERMS OF THE COUNCIL'S ROLE, OBVIOUSLY, AS AN EXAMPLE, DURING THIS RFP PROCESS, WE'LL COME BACK. WE WILL PROVIDE THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WILL BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION TO TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ULTIMATELY ADOPT ANY CHANGES TO OUR PLAN OR PLANS THAT YOU SEE FIT BASED ON THAT RFP PROCESS. AND NOW I WILL CALL UP TONY TO GO OVER A COUPLE OTHER SLIDES.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS. THANK YOU. STEVE, GOOD AFTERNOON, TONY KAYE WITH MARINER INSTITUTION. I HOPE YOU ALL ARE DOING WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. I THINK I'M HERE MOSTLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT MAYBE BEFORE DOING THAT, I'LL GIVE YOU A 30S ON THE BACKGROUND SO YOU KNOW WHO WHO'S PRESENTING TO YOU, SO AGAIN, TONY KAYE WITH MARINER INSTITUTIONAL, I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT IS WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTMENT ADVISORY FIRM. SO READ THAT IS, NO PRODUCT TO SELL, RIGHT? THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE PAID FOR IS THE ADVICE THAT WE GIVE TO PLAN SPONSORS. LIKE YOURSELVES. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ALIGNED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EMPLOYEE AND PARTICIPANT BEST INTERESTS IN MIND WHENEVER WE'RE MAKING ANY KINDS OF RECOMMENDATIONS, SO I'M HERE LOCALLY, OR CLOSE TO LOCAL DALLAS. ALLEN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE, BASED IN DALLAS, OPERATE OUT OF DALLAS. OUR FIRM HEADQUARTERS IS IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA, AND AGAIN FOCUSED SOLELY ON INSTITUTIONAL BUSINESS. SO, WE WORK WITH A LOT OF PLANS IN THE METROPLEX AREA. DFW, COMES TO MIND, CITY OF PLANO, WHERE WE'VE HELPED THEM IMPLEMENT BEST PRACTICES. SO HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHE, IF HELPFUL, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE WHO ARE FIDUCIARIES, I'LL JUST READ YOU THE, THE FIRST BULLET POINT THERE. AND THAT'S REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT. AND THAT'S ANY INDIVIDUAL WHICH HAS DISCRETIONARY AUTHORITY OR RENDERS ADVICE. SO WE'RE RENDERING ADVICE. WE ARE A FIDUCIARY. WE WE'RE A FIDUCIARY WITHOUT CAVEAT OR ANY KIND OF EXCEPTION, ON PLAN MANAGEMENT OR UTILIZATION OF PLANNED ASSETS EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY AND NEED NOT BE DESIGNATED IN WRITING. SAID DIFFERENTLY, AND WE SAY THIS IN THE INDUSTRY QUITE A BIT, YOU'RE A FIDUCIARY WHEN THE JUDGE SAYS YOU'RE A FIDUCIARY. SO IT'S BEST TO ALWAYS ACT AS A FIDUCIARY. SO WE WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PLAN DESIGN, RELEASING RFPS, LOOKING AT RECORD KEEPERS OR ANY PLAN INVESTMENT OPTIONS. NEXT PAGE OVERVIEW OF FIDUCIARY DUTIES,

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ANYTHING ELSE I CAN PROVIDE HAVE QUESTIONS WILL BE VOTED ON THIS. THIS IS IN THE A CONSENT ITEM IN OUR REGULAR MEETING TONIGHT. QUESTIONS THANK YOU. AS FAR AS A QUICK ONE, AS FAR AS THE PLANS, YOU SAID AT LEAST THREE. BUT WILL THERE BE MORE OPTIONS IN JUST THREE? CORRECT? YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON A NEW FUND MENU, AND WE'VE SHARED THAT WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, LOOKING AT ABOUT 20 INVESTMENT OPTIONS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT BECAUSE IN IN MY WORLD, WHEN WE HAVE A TON OF INVESTMENT OPTIONS, WE CAN WE CAN CHOOSE FROM AND THE TOP THREE ARE USUALLY LIKE THE, THE LOW RISK, THE MEDIUM RISK AND THE HIGH RISK. BUT THERE'S A PLENTY TO CHOOSE FROM, RIGHT? CORRECT. PLENTY TO CHOOSE FROM. AND THEN ONE, I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT OPTIONS WILL BE, THE QUALIFIED DEFAULT INVESTMENT ALTERNATIVE OPTION. AND THIS IS THE OPTION THAT PARTICIPANTS GET DEFAULTED TO. IF THEY ELECT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PLAN. BUT DON'T SELECT AN INVESTMENT OPTION. AND WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WHAT WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION IN THE FUTURE IS TARGET DATE FUNDS. AND THOSE ARE PURPOSE BUILT BASED ON A PARTICIPANT WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR SAVINGS CAREER AND THE ASSET ALLOCATION CHANGES OVER TIME, AND GETS MORE CONSERVATIVE AS THEY GET CLOSER TO RETIREMENT. BUT THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, A MIX OF, PASSIVE AND ACTIVE FUNDS. SO INDEX FUNDS, LOW COST INDEX OPTIONS EQUITY. SO STOCK OPTIONS AND FIXED INCOME OPTIONS. SO PRETTY ROBUST MENU. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO OVERWHELM PARTICIPANTS BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH OUT THERE THAT SHOWS THAT IF YOU GIVE THEM TOO MANY OPTIONS PARTICIPANTS TEND TO GET OVERWHELMED AND DISENGAGED. SO WE TRY TO FIND THAT NATURAL BALANCE. BUT CERTAINLY MORE THAN THREE OPTIONS, PROBABLY AROUND 20. THANK YOU. GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION. I ASKED EARLIER IF THERE WAS ANYONE THAT FILLED OUT CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS AND THERE WAS NOT. BUT APPARENTLY WE DO HAVE A GENTLEMAN THAT CAME IN, AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE MADE SOME ARRANGEMENTS TO BE HERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AFTER THE ALLOTTED

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ABOUT THE SILOS. YES, I UNDERSTAND YOU CHANGED THE DOCTOR APPOINTMENT TO BE HERE.

AND SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, MY NAME IS, JOHN DAVID. I GO BY MY MIDDLE NAME, DAVID, I FIRST MET JAMES RENSHAW WHEN I KIND OF CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA. I WAS AMAZED AT THE SILOS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE ACROSS FROM THE STREET FROM THE CITY HALL, HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL MURALS ON THEM. AND I THOUGHT, GOSH, THAT LOOKS LIKE A PERFECT PLACE TO HAVE AN ART MUSEUM. AND SO I ACTUALLY SPENT SINCE NOVEMBER WORKING ON A DESIGN FOR THIS. AND I'VE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE CITY A GROUP OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE CITY AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE, AND, PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE PRETTY GOOD, VERY CONCEPTUAL IDEA. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A TOTAL REAL DRAW FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THIS NOT ONLY FOR A PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE HAS A LOT A BIG COMMUNITY OF ARTISTS HERE. BUT ALSO, WOULD DRAW PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE, I THINK ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO COME HERE, THE SILOS THEMSELVES. WE COULD INTRODUCE NEW STRUCTURE WITHIN THE EXISTING CONCRETE SHELLS THAT AND HAVE THAT EVALUATED AND MAKE SURE IT WAS STRUCTURALLY OKAY, PATRICIA, I FORGOT HER LAST NAME. I'M SORRY. JACKSON JACKSON. SHE WAS THE SHE SHE WAS A LITTLE BIT SKEPTICAL, BUT I THINK THAT BECAUSE THE SILOS HAD ONLY BEEN EXPOSED TO THE EXTERIOR WEATHER AND NOT TO THE INTERIOR, THEY MAY NOT BE IN SUCH BAD SHAPE. SO WE BY INTRODUCING NEW STRUCTURE WITHIN THAT AND THEN SIX FLOORS, CONCRETE FLOORS AND A TOP FLOOR, WHICH COULD BE A SCULPTURE GARDEN AND IT WOULD BE, AND THEN ALSO I LOOKED AT THE WHOLE IDEA OF HOW TO BRING LIGHT DOWN NATURAL LIGHT WITH LIGHT TUBES, WHICH WILL EXTEND DOWN TO AS FAR AS 90FT, AND THEN ALSO BRINGING NEW STRUCTURE IN. THAT'S JUST INSIDE THE SHELL OF THE CONCRET.

AND THEN BETWEEN THE, THE, THE STEEL COLUMNS WOULD BE A PLACE TO RUN YOUR, HEATING AND COOLING THINGS, SO, I PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE. I CAN GIVE YOU HANDOUTS FOR EACH OF THE THINGS. WHEN I DID THE, PRESENTATION, ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO OR SO, AND, I AND ALSO, I TOTALLY SUPPORT JAMES IDEA, AND I THINK THAT THE HOTEL, THE NEW CITY HALL, NEW TOPS AND THE NEW UNDERGROUND CONNECTION TO, THIS WHOLE NEW ARTS DISTRICT WOULD BE A MAJOR DRAW FOR THE CITY. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I SHOULD GIVE YOU. IF YOU'LL JUST LEAVE THEM WITH THE.

OKAY. OUR SECRETARY HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS, DAVID. ALL RIGHT. NEXT

[Consider/Discuss a Request and Proposal for Metal Silos Property at 406 E. Virginia Street]

SO I HAPPEN TO BE THE LUCKY ONE THAT GETS TO MANAGE THE FLOUR MILL. SO I'M OVER THERE EVERY DAY. IN CASE YOU DRIVE BY, BE SURE TO WAVE, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOTS OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS FANTASTIC BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING, WANTED TO SHOW, A PICTURE. I GUESS IT'S A DRAWING OF WHAT USED TO BE AT THE FLOUR MILL, 100 YEARS AGO.

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THANK YOU JAMES, GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JESSE BULLARD. I'M WITH BACA ARCHITECTS, I'M ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, SO I WANTED TO TALK THROUGH BASICALLY THREE OF THE MORE TECHNICAL POINTS SUPPORTING THIS REQUEST TO MOVE THE PROPERTY LINE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE METAL SILOS. AND IT'S REALLY THEY'RE ALL POINTS WITHIN THE BUILDING CODE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE ON ITS FACE, SO THE FIRST POINT IS THIS KITCHEN, WHICH WILL SERVE THE RESTAURANT HERE, THAT PURPLE AREA IS GOING TO BE THE RESTAURANT, AND IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, THAT AND THEN THERE'S A MEZZANINE LEVEL WE'RE ADDING THAT'LL BE PART OF THE RESTAURANT AS WELL. SO THAT KITCHEN IS ON THE NORTH SIDE FACING THE METAL SILOS. AND REALLY THE IDEAL PLACE TO TAKE KITCHEN EXHAUST EQUIPMENT.

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ALL ACROSS THAT NORTH FACE OF THE BUILDING. THE WHOLE BUILDING HAS HISTORIC WINDOWS THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE AS MANY OF OR ALL OF, IF POSSIBLE. AND AGAIN, SIMILAR TO THE KITCHEN, THERE'S A RULE IN THE BUILDING CODE THAT YOU CAN'T. IT'S WITH THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AND THIS BUILDING, WE WOULD BE ALLOWED 15% UNPROTECTED OPENINGS. THAT'S 15% OF THE WALL AREA PER FLOOR.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU IT'S HARD TO SEE BECAUSE THE SILOS ARE SO CLOSE. BUT ON THE UPPER FLOORS WE ARE OVER THAT 15% THRESHOLD AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS, THE HISTORIC WINDOWS, WITH NEWER WINDOWS FOR THE FIRE PROTECTION, AND SEEING THAT THE SILOS ARE EMPTY RIGHT NOW AND, YOU KNOW, PLANNED TO BE EMPTY AS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, AND WE DON'T SEE THAT AS A CONCERN AS FAR AS THE FIRE, BUT WE WANT TO MEET THE CODE OF HAVING THOSE EITHER PROTECTED OR AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN THE THIRD POINT IS THE ROOFTOP BAR THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING ON THE ROOF HERE. THAT'S THE PURPLE AREA THERE, REQUIRES TWO EGRESS, TWO POINTS OF EGRESS FROM THE BAR. SO WE HAVE ONE GOING INTO THE MAIN PART OF THE BUILDING. WE'RE ADDING A SECOND ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE. SO IT'S A THREE FOOT STAIR, AGAIN, THE SILOS THEMSELVES ARE PROBABLY FIVE FEET FROM THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S THE PROPERTY LINE IS THREE FEET, AND THEN ANOTHER COUPLE FEET OF THE CONCRETE FOOTING OF THE SILOS. SO IT'S VERY TIGHT. AND THEN IT ALSO GOES BACK TO OUR RULE OF TEN FEET. EXTERIOR EGRESS STAIRS ARE REQUIRED TO BE TEN FEET FROM A PROPERTY LINE. SO IF WE MOVED THAT LINE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SILOS, WE WOULD WE WOULD MEET ALL OF THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS, SO I THINK, JAMES, DID YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP? AND LIKE HE SAID, WE DO HAVE, MYSELF AND THE MEP ENGINEERS AND JAMES CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. SLIDE. THERE ARE SOME. OH THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. THERE'S SOME RENDERINGS FOR YOU ON. THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE FOUR STORY BUILDIN.

AND THAT'S THE RESTAURANT THAT JESSE WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO IF YOU WENT OUT THAT DOOR THAT AT THE END AT THAT WOULD TAKE YOU OUT ON THE MAIN STREET. SO TO YOUR POINT, JESSE, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE KITCHEN EXHAUST EQUIPMENT GOING OUT ON THE MAIN STREET. WE WANT IT GOING NORTH WHERE THE SILOS ARE. AND THIS IS THE ROOFTOP VENUE. AND THERE'S A STAIRS. YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM HERE, BUT THERE'S A STAIRS BETWEEN THE ROOFTOP VENUE AND THE SILOS.

THAT WOULD BE AN EXIT. JAMES WHAT? WHAT FLOOR IS THAT ON? BECAUSE THERE'S THE SILOS, RIGHT THERE. I MEAN, ROOFTOP, I'M THINKING ROOFTOP, BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

IT'S ON THE ROOF OF THE SECOND STORY BUILDING. OKAY, SO IF YOU IF YOU WALK IN FROM THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE ACTUALLY THIS IS FACING WEST, OKAY. IF YOU WALKED IN THE BUILDING, YOU WALK INTO A TWO STORY BUILDING, OKAY. AND THEN IF YOU KEEP WALKING DOWN THE HALLWAY THEN YOU ENTER THE FOUR STORY BUILDING. GOT IT. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO THERE'LL BE AN ELEVATOR ACCESS TO THIS ROOFTOP VENUE. GET AN ELEVATOR GO UP. PRESS THE VERANDA ON THE ROOF IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT.

AND IT WAS ALSO WALK OUT OF THE ELEVATOR. IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT'S ALTHOUGH IT'S ON THE TOP OF THE SECOND STORY, THE PLATE HEIGHT OF THOSE STORIES ARE DRAMATICALLY HIGHER THAN NORMAL PLATE HEIGHTS. SO YOU HAVE A NICE IT'S A NICE VIEW. YEAH. FROM UP THERE I THINK IT'S ABOUT A 13 PLATE, 13 FOOT PLATE HEIGHT TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THIS SECTION AND THEN A 14 FOOT. SO OVERALL IT'S, YOU KNOW, 20, 27FT UP. THIS IS A VIEW OF ONE OF THE ROOMS, ONE OF THE KEYS IN THE IT'S A 35 KEY RENOVATION INTO A BOUTIQUE HOTEL. THIS PARTICULAR ONE IT LOOKS IF YOU LOOKED OUT THAT WINDOW FACING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE, YOU'D LOOK AT YOU'D SEE TUFTS ACROSS

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SO I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO READ THROUGH ALL THIS. YOU CAN READ IT, BUT BASICALLY IT'S, POTENTIALLY REMOVING TWO OF THE SILOS TO USE SPACE AS AN OUTDOOR COURTYARD. THAT IS ONE OF THE POSSIBILITIES. IF WE DID HAVE THE PROPERTY LINE EXTENDED AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE AS A POSSIBILITY. WE HAVEN'T DONE THE RUN THE NUMBERS. IF YOU WILL, TO SEE IF THAT WAS WOULD MAKE SENSE OR NOT. BUT WE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AND NOT THE NOT THE METAL SIDE. THERE'S THREE METAL SILOS, SO NOT THE ONE I'LL GO BACK, NOT THE ONE FACING. THE WEST, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT. WE WOULD KEEP THAT ONE. IT WOULD JUST BE THE MIDDLE ONE AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE REMOVED. AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT WE WOULD CREATE A COURTYARD THERE THAT COULD BE USED BY THE PUBLIC. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THOSE TWO THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY REMOVING VIRTUALLY ARE NOT SEEN. THEY'RE NOT SEEN FROM THE WEST BECAUSE OF THE THIRD SILO. THEY'RE NOT SEEN FROM THE NORTH BECAUSE OF THE CONCRETE SILOS.

THEY'RE NOT SEEN FROM THE SOUTH BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING. SO FOR THOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT METAL SILO IN THE ESTHETIC APPEAL, IT HAS, WHETHER IT'S CONTRIBUTING OR NOT, THE ONE THAT IS VISIBLE ON THE COMMON FEATURE, IF YOU WILL, OF THE METAL SILOS, WOULD BE THE ONE REMOVED. THAT'S CORRECT. JAMES, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, NO, TO THE FLOOR PLAN THAT SHOWED THE STAIRCASE WITH THE I GUESS, THE ROOFTOP BAR? OH YEAH, THAT ONE. I THINK IT'S THE NEXT ONE. OH. OH, THERE WE GO. THAT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. CORRECT. THAT IS RIGHT. AND THAT STAIRWAY IS HOW WIDE IT HAD TO BE THREE FEET TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE SILO. SO IT WOULD ONLY BE IT WOULD ONLY BE THREE FEET. AND IT CAN FIT BETWEEN THAT SILO AND THE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE. AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOUR KITCHEN IS JUST ABOUT IMPOSSIBLE TO GET WHERE YOU WANT IT. IF AT LEAST THAT EASTERN SILO IS STILL THERE BECAUSE OF THE EXHAUST RIGHT. I THINK, THE MEP ENGINEERS MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT, BUT, YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A FEW BUILDING OBSTACLES ON THE NORTH FACE OF THAT. IF WE GO BACK TO THE WHO'S GOT THE CLICKER, THE MAIN OVERALL AERIAL WAY, THE FIRST ONE GO BACK ONE MORE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AND THE PROXIMITY OF THE THREE METAL SILOS RELATIVE TO THE BUILDING, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE, THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTABILITY ISSUES OCCUR. HISTORICALLY IT WAS ALL ONE LARGE POT, ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND SOMEHOW OVER TIME, IT GOT DIVVIED INTO SMALLER PIECES, WITH THE SILOS BEING SEPARATED FROM THE MAIN BUILDING. AND WHEN THE MAIN BUILDING WAS BUILT AND IT WAS ALL ONE PROPERTY, THERE WERE NO

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IT WAS A PIECE ATTACHED. YEAH WE'RE FORCED TO BUY THEM WHEN WE BOUGHT THE OTHER PROPERTY. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH THAT DOESN'T SERVE A FUNCTION FOR THE CITY HAS A LIABILITY ATTACHED TO IT. AND WILL TRANSFER, OF COURSE TO THE NEW OWNERS, AND A MAINTENANCE, ONGOING MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD BE THERE, THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFERRING THOSE THINGS TO A PRIVATE OWNER THAT WOULD ALSO THEN ALLOW THEM TO, DO A PROJECT IN A, IN A EASIER, GRANDER AND BETTER WAY, BEING ABLE TO SATISFY BOTH BUILDING AND FIRE CODES, IN ESSENCE, IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'D BE KIND OF ACCURATE. YES. ALL RIGHT. I'M SAYING THAT FOR ANYONE THAT'S WATCHING, THAT WOULD BE CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE'D GET RID OF SILOS. YEAH. AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, YOU KNOW. THERE'S SOME BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN THAT WE'RE ALL PROUD OF. I THINK I'M GOING TO PICK ON A COUPLE OF THEM, AND I COULD PICK ON MORE THAN THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO PICK ON THE MASONIC LODGE WHERE HARVEST IS NOW. YOU KNOW, I WATCHED THAT THING DETERIORATE FOR 26 YEARS OUT OF MY FRONT OFFICE WINDOW, UNTIL RICK GOT IT AND MADE IT INTO THE GRAND THING THAT HE DID TODAY. AND THAT WAS THROUGH LOVE AND SWEAT AND MONEY, AND IT WAS BASICALLY A PRIVATE EFFORT ON HIS PART. THERE WERE SOME TOURS THAT WENT IN AND HELPED HIM, BUT I THINK WE ALL TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN THAT, ANOTHER ONE, THOUGH, IS TUFTS, AND TUFTS IS IF YOU LOOK AT THAT GRAIN MILL, IT'S A WONKY BUILDING. YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE? I THINK WE REALLY DID GET THE ONE THING THAT WENT THERE. BUT THE HEAVY LIFT ON THAT WAS REALLY PUBLIC MONEY THAT HELPED WITH THAT. PARTNERING WITH TUFTS.

THIS IS MORE LIKE THE MASONIC LODGE, RIGHT? THIS IS PRIVATE MONEY COMING IN HERE AND MAKING THIS THING A REALLY FUNCTIONAL HOTEL. IT'S FUN TO LOOK AT THE FLOUR MILL, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO OWN IT. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO MONETIZE IT, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. AND I WANT TO THANK JAMES AND YOUR TEAM FOR YOUR PATIENCE, BECAUSE YOU'VE COME TO US BEFORE WITH THIS IDEA. AND I'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT NEGATIVE ON IT, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT TO FINISH OUR CITY HALL FIRST AND NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF COMPETING CONSTRUCTION RIGHT AROUND THERE, BUT I'M A FAN OF THIS. I'M A FAN OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND, YOU KNOW, THE YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD STEWARD OF THE FLOUR MILL AND, TO SEE IT ACTIVATED IN A MEANINGFUL WAY, I THINK WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE. I WOULD AGREE, I THINK I HAD INITIALLY SOME RESERVATIONS. I'M THE LIAISON TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. SO OF COURSE, I THINK I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PAUSE, ONE OF THE POSITIVES, I THINK, IS THAT WE ARE LEAVING THE SILO THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE. THAT'S THE MOST VISIBLE ONE. IF WE COULD LEAVE IT IN PLACE WITHOUT IT BEING AN INTERFERENCE TO DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, I WOULD RATHER LEAVE IT IN PLACE. AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWNTOWN AND APPRECIATE THE HISTORIC VALUE OF IT WOULD SAY THE SAME, BUT I'D MUCH RATHER SEE US LEAVE THE ONE SILO AND REALLY ACTIVATE THIS SPACE AND REALLY TURN IT ALIVE DOWNTOWN, THAN TO LEAVE THE TWO SILOS THAT ARE NOT VERY VISIBLE, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU GUYS CAN KEEP IT AND INCORPORATE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, GREAT. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. I'D LOVE TO SEE HOW YOU, ARE INNOVATIVE IN THAT THOUGHT PROCESS, BUT I WOULD AGREE. I AM IN SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD JUST TO SEE A BETTER DEVELOPMENT THERE. AND I WILL REITERATE WHAT JAMES MENTIONED. WHILE THE PROPERTY AND EVEN THE CONCRETE SILOS ARE PART OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER, THE METAL SILOS WERE LISTED AS NONCONTRIBUTING BECAUSE THEY CAME SO MUCH LATER. OUR TEAM DID REACH OUT TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL GROUP AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, AS IT STANDS, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT. THEY WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED NOT CONTRIBUTING. AND THERE'S NO SPECIAL APPROVALS OR REVIEWS NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD AT AN EFFORT THAT IS BEING LIKE LIKE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TODAY. I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IF JAMES, YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST IN THIS PROPERTY TO, TO MAKE IT BETTER, I'M ALL FOR JUST GOING ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT THE BEST DEVELOPMENT THAT IT CAN BE. YOU KNOW, TO ME, THOSE THOSE SILOS WERE BUILT IN 1970. THERE'S PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL THAT'S

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THANKS, BRUCE. THANKS EVERYBODY. THAT IS INVOLVED IN THAT PROJEC. AND WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM

[Consider/Discuss Charter Sections and Related Election Propositions for a Potential Charter Amendment Election]

WE'RE HERE AT AUGUST SIXTH, UNDERLINED WORK SESSION. JUST BECAUSE THAT'S AN ADDITION TO THE ONGOING SCHEDULE. THESE ARE THE FOUR AREAS IN THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION THAT CREATED THE CHARTER COMMISSION, THAT THE COUNCIL ASKED THE COMMISSION TO FOCUS ON. THE CURRENT TERMS AND CURRENT TERMS AND COMPOSITION AND COMPENSATION OF THE COUNCIL. AND THEN A FEW MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS THAT ARE MORE ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE. I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY REVIEW THE REPORT FINDINGS THAT CHAIRMAN COX SHARED WITH YOU A WEEK OR SO AGO IN RELATION TO TERMS THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED SPECIFICALLY TO CONTINUE THE PRACTICE OF A FOUR YEAR TERM FOR COUNCIL MEMBER TERMS, AND THEN TO CONTINUE THE PRACTICE OF A ONE YEAR PAUSE. THEY GAVE SOME ADVISORY INFORMATION IN RELATION TO THE AMOUNT OF TERMS AND TO THE MAKEUP OF HOW THOSE WORK.

WE'LL GET INTO THAT WITH SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. IN RELATION TO COMPOSITION, IN ADDITION TO RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNCIL FURTHER STUDY OR ANALYZE THE COMPOSITION AND THE IMPACTS OF CHANGING A COMPOSITION, THEY DID ALSO GIVE SOME ADVISORY INFORMATION ABOUT COMPOSITIONS, THROUGH SOME POLLING EXERCISES THAT HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER WITH THE COMMISSION. IN RELATION TO COMPENSATION, THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, AMENDING SECTION 16 OF THE CHARTER. SO THAT THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL WOULD RECEIVE AN ADJUSTED FORM OF COMPENSATION FOR THEIR SERVICE ON THE COUNCIL. SPECIFICALLY, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THE MAYOR RECEIVE $1,000 FLAT PER MONTH, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVE $750 FLAT PER MONTH. THEY ALSO INCLUDED A RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE A REASONABLE CPI ADJUSTMENT INCORPORATED AS APPROPRIATE. AND THEN FINALLY, THE COMMISSION, LISTENED TO THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT AREAS THAT ADMINISTER THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE, THAT COULD BE ADJUSTED AND RECOMMENDED THAT THE COUNCIL, CLEAN THOSE ITEMS UP. AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN TODAY. SO THOSE WERE THE MISCELLANEOUS SECTIONS. AND THEN REALLY, THE WORK OF THE WORK SESSION THAT WE HAVE TODAY IS TO GET COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION ABOUT THE AREAS IN WHICH THE COMMISSION DIDN'T ARRIVE AT A RECOMMENDATION OR ONLY PROVIDED ADVICE OR ADVISORY INFORMATION ABOUT SECTIONS. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH FOUR AND WE'LL START WITH TERMS COMPOSITION AND THEN COMPENSATION. AND REALLY IT'S AS SIMPLE AS HERE'S WHAT'S LEFT. OUTSTANDING COUNCIL. WE SEEK SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU SO THAT MR. HAUSER HAS TIME TO DRAFT ANYTHING THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THIS EVENING'S MEETING. SO NUMBER ONE, SECTION NINE OF THE CHARTER, IN RELATION TO THE

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TERRIFIC. CAN YOU SHOW THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE CONSIDERATION OF THE THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS VERSUS STAY AT TWO IN REGARDS TO THE POLLING? YEAH, YES. BEAR WITH ME HERE. I THINK I HAVE IT.

THE PHRASING OF THE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO IN THE INSTANCES IN WHICH THE COMMISSION PROVIDED FEEDBACK, WAS FOR PREFERENCE FOR THE NUMBER OF CONSECUTIVE TERMS FOR PER SEAT AND POSITION, THE CHART ON THE LEFT, WE USED A TOOL CALLED SLIDO THAT'S JUST AN APPLICATION IN THE ROOM. THE CHART IN THE MIDDLE WAS A EXTENDED POLL COAL SURVEY. THAT WAS A SURVEY THAT WAS SENT OUT TO THE MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR WANTED TO RE PREFERENCE ALL MEMBERS FOR THAT SAME QUESTION AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT, BLUE THE BLUE BAR IS PREFERENCE FOR THE TWO YEAR TERMS OR THE CURRENT SITUATION. THE GREEN BAR IS FOR THREE YEAR TERM. THREE. EXCUSE ME, THREE FOUR YEAR CONSECUTIVE. AND THEN FINALLY GRAY IS FOR THREE TERMS OR MORE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DISCUSS? EACH ONE AS WE GO, IT'S UP TO YOU. I CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE OTHER TWO SLIDES AS WELL. IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO KIND OF SEGMENT THEM OUT INDIVIDUALLY. IT'S UP TO YOU. SO GOING BACK TO THAT SLIDE YOU JUST HAD SURMISED THAT MATTER OF FACTLY. NO, THE SLIDE THAT YOU JUST HAD UP, THE ONE THAT I HAD YOU BRING UP ABOUT THE SLIDO THING AND. CLOSE, BUT NOT THERE. THERE IT IS. SO. FIRST MEETING IS JUNE 12TH. AND THEN I GUESS AFTER HOW MANY MEETINGS, THERE'S A TOTAL OF FIVE. AFTER FIVE MEETINGS AND ALL THE DIALOG, WE HAVE. THE FINAL SURVEY WAS THE LAST SURVEY JULY 10TH THROUGH 12TH, BUT 10TH AND 12TH, THE GRAY IS. THE GREATEST PEOPLE WHO WANTED MORE THAN TWO, THREE, FOUR YEAR TERMS. PERHAPS THEY WANTED 4 OR 5 OR UNLIMITED OR WHO KNOWS? MY POSITION ON THIS HAS NOT CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY, I DO THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER AT LEAST TAKING TO THE VOTERS, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO WEIGH IN ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNOW, THREE TERMS IS A REASONABLE, NUMBER OF TERMS FOR OUR COUNCIL AND MAYOR, SO MY I THINK THIS JUST KIND OF CONFIRMED FOR ME THAT AFTER GIVING THE COMMITTEE ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW THE DATA, THIS IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS. ONCE AGAIN, 91% OF CITIES IN IN THIS COUNTRY DO NOT HAVE TERM LIMITS. AND WE HAVE VERY MUCH RESTRICTED DOWN TO TWO TERMS, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT LARGER POPULATION TODAY THAN WE DID WHEN WE VOTED ON TWO TERMS BEFORE. AND I DON'T THINK IT IS A UNREASONABLE THING TO BRING THIS TO VOTERS TO WEIGH IN ON, TO EXTEND THAT TO AT LEAST THREE TERMS. YEAH, I, THIS SHOWS THAT BASICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS A POPULATION OF MCKINNEY SAMPLE SIZE, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT THE GREATEST SAMPLE BECAUSE

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WHICH IS GOING TO MAJOR AND LIKEWISE YOU CAN GO FROM MAYOR BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER WITHOUT A PAUSE. SO IF, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSITION, IF WE LEAVE THE PAUSE PERIOD AS IT IS

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YEAH. BUT IF, IF, IF YOU EXTEND TERMS AND CHARLIE'S COMING UP AND I'M JUST USING CHARLIE AS AN EXAMPLE. CHARLIE'S COMING UP WITH A, HITTING HIS TERM LIMIT AND NOT RUNNING. AND MICHAEL'S RUNNING FOR THE NEXT 12 YEARS. THEN I'VE GOT MOTIVATION TO RUN FOR CHARLIE'S SEAT. IF I WANTED TO RUN IN THAT SEAT. BUT I COULDN'T FOR FOUR YEARS BECAUSE OF THIS ONE YEAR PAUSE PERIOD.

AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT IT DOES HAVE ON US IN TERMS OF THE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT DISTRICT IS ASSIGNED WITH THE CYCLE, AT WHAT AT LARGE POSITION YOU ARE CORRECT. YEAH. IF YOU WANTED TO RUN IN MID BUT YOU'D HAVE TO. YEAH I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE PAUSE MYSELF. IT'D BE THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS PERIOD. I MEAN, THERE'S GOOD THINGS TO THE PAUSE BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE SITTING UP HERE CAMPAIGNING AGAINST SOMEBODY THAT'S UP HERE. THE SAME REASON WE ASK A BOARD MEMBER TO STEP DOWN. AWKWARD, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT. IT WAS IN PLACE WHEN WE HAD TWO YEAR TERMS. YOU KNOW? RIGHT. 20 YEARS AGO. IT'S LOST ITS EFFECTIVENESS AND HAD A DIFFERENT EFFECT. NOW THAT WE HAVE FOUR YEAR TERMS. YEAH, SO, SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING. I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING? I THINK TRYING TO CONVINCE A

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WITH THE ONE YEAR PAUSE, WITH THE ONE YEAR PAUSE. SO, SO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE ALONG AND MARK HAS TO DRAFT LANGUAGE IS THE CONSENSUS THAT ON TERMS WE'RE GOING TO PUT EXTEND THE THREE YEAR TERM A 3 TO 4 YEAR TERMS. YES THREE CONSECUTIVE LANGUAGE AND THREE CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS. RIGHT? YES YEAH. LEAVE THE PAUSE OUT OF IT. RIGHT, TREVOR. NEXT COMPOSITION, THIS IS TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER, SECTION EIGHT AND SECTION TEN, I CAN DO THE SPEED, ADVANCE TO THE POLLS IF YOU WANT TO SEE A POLL RESULTS, BECAUSE WE'VE PUBLIC AND US HAVE SEEN THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE, LET'S SEE. THOUGH I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE, BUT I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON CONVERT. YEAH. CONVERT WAS IF YOU HAD NO AT LARGES AND CONVERTED EVERY SEAT TO BE A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT. SO THREE PEOPLE SAID ADD AT LARGE SEATS, EIGHT PEOPLE SAID ADD DISTRICT SEATS, EIGHT SAID NO CHANGE. ONE SAID CONVER. I DON'T SEE CLEAR GUIDANCE HERE FROM THE COMMITTEE. AND JUST TO BE VERY CANDID, THIS IS ONE THING I HOPE THE COMMITTEE WOULD COME UP WITH WAS TO SAY EXPAND CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THE SIZE OF THE CITY WE ARE AND THE SCOPE OF WORK AND THE NUMBER OF PITCHES THAT COME ACROSS THE PLATE. I'D LIKE TO SEE US EXPANDED FROM 7 TO 9. THAT TAKES ALL OF OUR, INFLUENCE DOWN FROM ROUGHLY 14% TO 11% THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IS THAT WE WOULD ADD ONE DISTRICT AND ADD ONE AT LARGE SO THAT, DAVID OR CHRIS WILKES OR MARCUS COULD WOULD, WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE FIVE, THE FIVE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, THE MAJORITY REPRESENTING THEM. THE AT LARGE, THEIR DISTRICT AND THE MAYOR.

BUT I THINK IT'S A BIGGER CONVERSATION. I THINK WE NEED TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT. I, WOULD, SO I'M GOING TO RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT I THINK THAT WE PASS ON THIS ONE, THIS GO AROUND. I AGREE, I WAS THIS IS THE ONE I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO DO. I THINK REPRESENTATION MATTERS.

AND I THINK WE'RE WE'RE CHANGING AS A CITY IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT AND THE ABILITY TO ELECT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RUN. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ON THE BALLOT. BUT I DO THINK AGAI, THE ISSUE WITH A LOT OF THESE IS THAT EDUCATING OR INFORMING THE PUBLIC IN 90 DAYS IS GOING TO BE A VERY HEAVY LIFT, BUT WHAT'S UNFORTUNATE ABOUT THAT IS WE CAN'T SPLIT THESE MEANING WE HAVE A CHARTER ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. WE CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER CHARTER ELECTION UNTIL 2026. CORRECT. AND SO, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION IN THE, IN THE GROUP ABOUT, WAITING UNTIL A NEXT CENSUS, I THINK THAT PUTS US EVEN IN THE IN MORE OF A MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN CENSUSES BECAUSE WE DID A CENSUS THAT WE GOT BACK IN 2022, WE DID A OR 2020 LATE 2021, 2022. WE DID A REDISTRICTING THAT WE DIDN'T GET DONE UNTIL 2022, 2023. AND THEN WE ULTIMATELY ARE SITTING HERE ONE YEAR AFTER REDISTRICTING LOOKING AT THIS. AND IF WE WAIT ANOTHER TWO YEARS, WE'RE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A REDISTRICTING CYCLE MORE THAN WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF A REDISTRICTING CYCLE. I, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GO TO, MORE SINGLE MEMBER. BUT, AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO INFORM A PUBLIC ON WHAT THAT MEANS OR WHAT THAT THAT SAYS. SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF PUTTING IT ON, BUT. RICK, WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW? I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEED FOR IT. AND THE MORE WE GROW, THERE'S GOING TO BE NEED FOR EXTRA REPRESENTATION. BUT I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN. BALLOTS CAN BE DIFFICULT TO INFORM THE PEOPLE AND GET THEM ON BOARD FOR THIS ONE. SO MY SUGGESTION IS TO LEAVE IT AS IS FOR NOW. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I DO WANT US TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL, THOUGH, ABOUT PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND CONSIDER A CHARTER AMENDMENT

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I'M JUST IT'S A PROACTIVE WOULD ONLY BE IF YOU FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING BEING LOST RIGHT NOW, WITH THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DO THE JOB THAT WE'RE DOING IS A NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS CURRENTLY. I THINK THERE IS AN ARGUMENT, THOUGH, THAT WE COULD BE REPRESENTING PEOPLE BETTER WITH MORE DISTRICTS NOW. AND IF WE WAIT TWO MORE YEARS TO PUT THIS UP AGAIN AND HAVE IT EFFECTIVE IN 2029, OR IF WE WAIT UNTIL ANOTHER CENSUS, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE HARDER AND HARDER TO DIVIDE THAT OVER THE NEXT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THAT IF YOU HAD SIX MEMBER DISTRICTS THAT THAT THAT REPRESENTED GEOGRAPHIC AREAS THAT WERE MORE FITTING AND HAD MORE COMMONALITY, THAT THAT'S A GOOD OUTCOME FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS, AS WE EXPERIENCE THE NEXT 8 OR 10 YEARS OF GROWTH CYCLE UNTIL THE REDISTRICTING COMES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WE JUST ALL REDISTRICT, I PROBABLY AM THE ODDEST ONE OUT IN THIS, BUT WE NOW HAVE TO KIND OF CROSS THESE AREA BOUNDARIES WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REPRESENTING PATRICK REPRESENTS A LOT OF CRAIG RANCH

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YOU'D GO FROM 50, ROUGHLY 50 PEOPLE IN A DISTRICT RIGHT NOW BACK TO 30 PEOPLE IN A DISTRICT, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO RUN. IT MAKES IT LESS EXPENSIVE FOR PEOPLE TO RUN AND SO EASIER FOR A DIFFERENT SET OF, CHARACTERISTICS IN OUR REPRESENTATION. AND SO, IN MY OPINION, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS, WE MIGHT AS WELL PUT IT UP HERE, BECAUSE THERE'S NO SENSE IN WAITING. SO INFORMATIONALLY MAYOR COUNCIL, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER JONES, IT COULD BE CALENDARED STUDIED THROUGHOUT THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. HAVE IT READY FOR THE BALLOT FOR 26 AND HAVE OUR CONSULTANT WHO SPOKE TO THIS COMMITTEE. PREPARED FOR A COUNCIL CHARTER ELECTION IN 26 AND AN ELECTION OF THOSE MEMBERS, THE TWO EXTRA MEMBERS IN 27. YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT, MARK. I I'LL TELL YOU, I AGREE. WE NEED MORE COUNCIL, I FLAT DISAGREE. WE NEED TO GO TO A BUNCH OF DISTRICTS AND THAT NEEDS TO BE LITIGATED. IT NEEDS TIME. WE DON'T HAVE TIME RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, BUT I WILL, YOU KNOW, I MY TERM EXPIRES IN 2027, AND I WILL HAVE AN APPETITE TO BRING THIS UP BEFORE MY TERM EXPIRES. AND IN FACT, THE WAY THAT I HAD SOME DRAFTING DONE INTERNALLY TO GET READY FOR THIS, YOU COULD PUT IN YOUR CHARTER PROPOSITION THE YEAR THAT YOU WANT IT TO GO. IN EFFECT. RIGHT. 27 2931 ALL THOSE THINGS COULD BE STUDIED OVER THIS TWO YEAR PERIOD, MR. JONES, SO WE COULD MAYBE OR COULD THE LANGUAGE BE THAT, JUST THAT IT WILL GO TO THIS DISTRICT ON OR BEFORE A CERTAIN DATE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF COUNCIL IF WE, IF WE BROUGHT IN A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT AND WE FOUND OURSELVES WITH GREAT CONSENSUS ON WHICH DIRECTION TO GO AND THAT WE ALL AGREED THERE WAS A NEED, WE COULD ACT SOONER, RATHER THAN LATER, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE NOT FORCED TO ACT ON IT OR WHICHEVER COUNCIL SITTING UP HERE UNTIL I THINK YOUR WAS, 27 OR 31, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PROPOSITION. I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD PRIOR WAS THAT THE COUNCIL WASN'T READY TO INFORM THE VOTERS THIS CYCLE, BUT WE CAN HAVE IT READY TO GO IN 26 IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OR MY COMMENT ABOUT INFORMING THE VOTERS IS THAT WE'VE GOT A SPRINT AHEAD OF US ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES. BUT I THINK ESPECIALLY THIS ONE, WHICH IT'S NOT MY PREFERENCE TO PUT IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT WE'RE PUTTING THINGS ON THE BALLOT. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE BECAUSE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS OUR CHARTER AND REACTION TO A COMMISSION THAT WAS CREATED THAT HAS A COMBINATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY USED IN THIS TERMINOLOGY, WHERE WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT, MY, MY THING, I MEAN, THAT APPLIES TO ALL THESE. I LOOK AT AT THE POLL RESULTS THAT WE SHOWED ON TERM LIMITS, AND I SEE THAT 12 OF THEM ARE SOME LARGE PERCENT SAID NO TERM LIMITS AT THE BEGINNING. AND THEN AFTER, YOU KNOW, EIGHT HOURS OF NEGOTIATIONS, THEY'VE COME TO A DIFFERENT CONSIDERATION. WE DON'T HAVE EIGHT HOURS TO EXPLAIN TO VOTERS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'RE GOING TO BE LUCKY TO GET FIVE MINUTES BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER. AND SO ANY OF THESE ISSUES, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO INFORM AND EXTREMELY DIFFICULT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PERSUADE TO GET TO A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION THAN WHAT PEOPLE HAVE THE FIRST TIME THEY LOOK AT IT. AND SO I THINK WE JUST THAT'S IN TERMS OF ALL OF THESE, THE INABILITY TO INFORM, INFORM OVER 90 DAYS IS GOING TO BE HARD FOR US ON ANY OF THE PROPOSITIONS, ANY OF THE.

AND SO MARK IS THE AND I AGREE WITH YOU, JUSTIN, ON THIS ITEM. I THINK THE OTHER TWO ITEMS OR THE OTHER THREE, THAT'S VERY, VERY INTUITIVE. YOU KNOW, COMPENSATION IS COMPENSATION. I THINK IS NOT A WHOLE LOT EXPLAINING NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON THAT. BUT BUT MARK, IS IT CORRECT? BECAUSE MY OPINION WOULD BE HINGES ON THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. IF WE WERE, ARE WE ABLE TO PUT IT ON NOVEMBER BALLOT WITHOUT COMMITTING TO WHETHER THAT MEANS WHETHER IT'S

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THANKS, THE THIRD MAJOR ITEM IN REGARDS TO SECTION 16 OF THE CHARTER WAS IN RELATION TO AN ADJUSTMENT TO CITY COUNCIL'S COMPENSATION, OVERALL, THE OPTIONS WERE TO MAINTAIN CURRENT COMPENSATION, SHIFT IT TO A DIFFERENT AMOUNT ON THE PER MEETING BASIS, OR TO HAVE A FLAT FEE. AGAIN, THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT COUNCIL COMPENSATION BE SWITCHED TO A MONTHLY STIPEND OF $1,000 FOR THE MAYOR, $750 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND A PERIODIC CPI ADJUSTMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. IS THERE NOT A ZERO LEFT OFF OF THOSE? SO CAN I PUT ONE UP THERE? IS THE DECIMAL POINT IN THE RIGHT PLACE ON THE CPI IN THE DRAFT THAT I'VE GOT WORKING, I HAD A THREE YEAR ADJUSTMENT. YOU CAN PUT WHATEVER YOU WANT AS TO WHEN IT WOULD ADJUST BY WHAT WAS IT. AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A CPI. WHAT IS THE REASONING TO DO IT THREE YEARS VERSUS LIKE WE DO ALL OF THE CITY STAFF ANNUALLY? NO REASON AT ALL. THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE COMMITTEE ABOUT PERIODIC, BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY FIVE, THREE, ONE. IT'S JUST AS A MATTER OF I'M PERPLEXED ON IT. I, I THINK IN THE CITY YOU JUST ANNUALLY TOTALLY UP TO THE

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YES. THESE TWO NUMBERS. OH THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE. THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

YEAH OKAY OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN YES, THE ANNUAL AFTER THE END OF ANYONE'S TERM HERE. BUT NO SOONER THAN 2025. CORRECT SO WE UNDERSTOOD. YEP ALL RIGHT. AND I THINK I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE CHARTER LANGUAGE. EVERYONE GOOD WITH THE CHARTER LANGUAGE. CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE. WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ANY TIME ON THE SLIDE. EVERYONE'S GOOD WITH THAT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL LIAISON FOR PROPOSITIONS. YES. AND THEN, YOU'LL HAVE THREE ACTION. THERE'S THREE PROPOSITIONS. THERE'S SOME CLEANUP STUFF.

YEAH. THEY'RE NOT DOING COMPOSITION. SO. OH, SORRY. THE TWO MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS ARE TWO SEPARATE PROPOSITIONS. OKAY. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE JUST THE LANGUAGE CLEANING UP. YES, YES.

SO FOR TOTAL. AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE ORDINANCES ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING THAT MR. HAUSER WILL PROBABLY START DRAFTING IN THE NEXT 30S. THANK YOU. COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATES. WE'LL HOLD

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NO ACTION THAT WAS

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