Sep 03, 2024 City Council Work Session

[CALL TO ORDER]

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READY? YOU SAY YOU GUYS, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. TODAY IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2024. IT'S 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON, AND WE'RE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 222

[Proclamation for National Senior Center Month]

OKAY. THAT'S TRUE, AS A TEAM, I LIKE IT. IT WAS GOOD. IT'S NOT THE JAMS. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. NEXT COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A BIG GROUP. I LIKE THE T SHIRTS.

I ALSO LIKE THE ROCK AND WALK AND TALK LIKE THAT. CITY OF MCKINNEY PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF SENIOR CENTERS HAS DESIGNATED THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER AS NATIONAL SENIOR CENTER MONTH. WHEREAS NATIONAL SENIOR CENTER MONTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROMOTE A POSITIVE IMAGE OF AGING, SHOWCASE HOW THE CENTER ENRICHES THE LIVES OF OLDER ADULTS, HIGHLIGHT ITS VALUES TO THE COMMUNITY, AND ATTRACT POTENTIAL PARTICIPANTS AND COLLABORATIVE PARTNERS. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF MCKINNEY SENIOR RECREATION CENTER MISSION IS TO PROVIDE LIFE ENRICHMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT CREATE MEANINGFUL CONNECTIONS THROUGH PHYSICAL AND SOCIAL WELLNESS IN A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT TO ADULTS 50 AND OLDER. AND WHEREAS THE SINCE 2002, THE FACILITY HAS OFFERED PASSIVE AND ACTIVE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, INCLUDING AN AQUATIC EXERCISE AND SENIOR ADULT SWIM LESSONS, HEALTH AND WELLNESS SERVICES, FITNESS CLASSES, SOCIAL GROUPS, AND COUNTLESS CONTINUOUS LEARNING OPTIONS. AND WHEREAS, IT IS THROUGH THESE ADULT SERVICES AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES PROVIDED BY MCKINNEY SENIOR RECREATION CENTER THAT ALL ADULTS AGES 50 AND OLDER HAVE ACCESS TO A RECREATION FACILITY THAT OFFERS PURPOSE, HEALTH AND CREATIVITY WHILE DISCOVERING THEIR CONNECTIONS WITH OTHER SENIOR ADULTS THROUGHOUT THE MCKINNEY COMMUNITY AND BEYOND. NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE FULLER, BY THE POWER VESTED IN ME AS THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER 2024 AS NATIONAL SENIOR CENTER MONTH IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS, CALLING UPON ALL CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE MCKINNEY SENIOR RECREATION CENTER, ITS STAFF, AND VOLUNTEERS FOR THE BETTERMENT AND WELL-BEING OF ALL SENIOR ADULTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WITNESS MY HAND AND SEAL THIS THIRD DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2024. THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR FULLER, AND THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU, PAUL GRIMES, FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT, ON BEHALF OF THE SENIOR RECREATION CENTER IN OUR VILLAGE, THIS IS ONLY JUST A LITTLE PART OF OUR VILLAGE, BUT.

AND THANK YOU TO THE EMPLOYEES AND THE VOLUNTEERS AND OUR MEMBERS WHO HAVE JOINED US TODAY IN OUR DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES AS WELL, YOU KNOW, EACH YEAR WE COME UP HERE FOR SENIOR PROCLAMATION, AND, AND IT IS A CONSTANT REMINDER OF THE GREAT IMPACTS THAT OUR FACILITY IS PROVIDING TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TEAM. I SAY A VILLAGE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEY BRING THEIR PASSION TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THE OF THE RESIDENTS, EVEN OUR NON RESIDENTS THAT COME IN AS WELL. AND SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UPON, WE WON'T TAKE LONG, I PROMISE. BUT THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES GOING ON THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, SHOWCASING ALL OF THE, THE, THE FUN, THE FUN NESS AT THE SENIOR RECREATION CENTER. SO FIRST OF ALL, I'LL INTRODUCE JENNIFER. JENNIFER WILLIAMS, SHE'S ONE OF OUR RECREATION COORDINATORS. AND SHE'S GOING TO TELL YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT SOME OF THE SOME OF THE EXCITING THINGS GOING ON IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER. HELLO, SO OUR WE ALWAYS DO A CERTAIN THEME AROUND SENIOR CENTER MONTH. THIS YEAR IS DISCOVER YOUR CONNECTIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE ON OUR SHIRTS, AND IT'S BUILT AROUND THE GAME CALLED CONNECTIONS THROUGH NEW YORK TIMES. SO FOR THIS MONTH WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING A COUPLE SEMINARS THAT WILL BE OVER BRAIN HEALTH, DEMENTIA, JUST COGNITIVE AWARENESS, AS WELL AS A HEALTHY EATING HABITS.

AND THEN WE ARE BRINGING TRIVIA NIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME TO THE CENTER. THAT'LL WHICH WILL BE TOMORROW, THEN WE HAVE OUR, OF COURSE, OUR DAY TO DAY PROGRAMING, WHICH WE ALWAYS HAVE. OUR WE HAVE A FEW TRIPS MINGLED IN THERE, GRANDPARENT'S DAY CELEBRATION, AND WE HAVE A

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THANK YOU JENNIFER. THANK YOU PRESTON. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL OLGA OVER. OLGA IS ONE OF OUR LONGTIME VOLUNTEERS, AND I'D ASK I ASKED HER TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF A TESTIMONY BRIEF, ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THE SENIOR RECREATION CENTER HAS HAD ON HER LIFE. YES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. I'D JUST LIKE TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT ME BEING AT THE CENTER HAS MEANT THE WORLD TO ME AND HAS HAS MEANT A LOT TO THE PEOPLE THAT COME THERE. I NOTICED THE DIFFERENCE IN THEM IN THE. I HAVE A WALKING PROGRAM WITH MUSIC, AND I SEE THEM JUST LIGHT UP LIKE A CHRISTMAS TREE. AND THEY LOVE COMING IN THERE BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE CAMARADERIE THAT THE SENIOR SENIOR PROVIDES FOR EVERYBODY. AND I LOVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES THROUGH MUSIC WITH EVERYBODY COMING IN THERE AND ENJOYING THE CENTER WITH LAURA.

SO I LOVE THE CENTER. THANK YOU. YES, IT TRULY TAKES A VILLAGE, RIGHT. SO. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR THE PROCLAMATION. AND YOU KNOW, SHARE YOUR SPREAD THE WORD TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, TO YOUR FRIENDS, TO THE COMMUNITY, TO YOUR NETWORK SYSTEM. SPREAD THE WORD AND HAVE THEM COME DOWN TO THE SENIOR CENTER, SENIOR RECREATION CENTER IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER TO START THEIR. OH OH, OKAY, WELL, THEY CAN GO VISIT THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AT MCKINNEY, TEXAS. ORG TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ON ALL THE EXCITING THINGS WE DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. NEED TO GET IN A PHOTO. MAYOR MAYOR. OF ROCK AND ROLL.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE TO COME FOR? THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. YES. THANK YOU.

ONE MORE. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE CLEAR. THANK YOU. GUYS. YOU KNOW, I LOVE OUR SENIOR CENTER, BUT IT IS SOBERING TO REALIZE THAT NOT ONLY COULD I GO THERE NOW AND BE WELCOMED, BUT I CAN FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. THAT DOESN'T SEEM IN MY HEAD LIKE IT'S PROPER. I SHOULD JUST BE GOING TO VISIT SENIORS. NOT THAT I AM A SENIOR, BUT SOBERING FOR MYSELF. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. WELL, PUBLIC COMMENTS I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE HAS SIGNED UP TO

[DISCUSS REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS for the City Council Regular Meeting to be held on Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 6:00 p.m. ]

[Presentation on Solid Waste Rates and Operations]

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IN ADDITION RESIDENTS CAN GO ONLINE. THEY CAN ENTER THEIR ADDRESS ON A MAP AND SEE THE SAME INFORMATION, AND THEN FINALLY, THERE WILL BE A FLIER THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED OR THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO ALL RESIDENTS, THAT HAS A QR CODE WHERE PEOPLE CAN THEN CAN THEN GO ONLINE AND SEE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, NEXT, NEXT SLIDE, SO FISCAL YEAR 2025 RATES, NEXT SLIDE. SO SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WHEN YOU ALL WERE CONSIDERING THE BUDGET, YOU SAW THE $19.75 CENTS PER MONTH RATE. THAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. MCKINNEY MAINTAINS ITS SECOND RATE OR ITS SECOND POSITION RELATIVE TO OUR OTHER SISTER CITIES. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE CHART, THERE, ONE IMPORTANT POINT IN TERMS OF THE STABILITY FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY RATES IS THAT, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE CONTRACT FOR FRONTIER, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EIGHT YEAR CONTRACT. AND SO FUTURE RATE INCREASES FOR THE SOLID WASTE COLLECTIONS WILL BE TIED TO THE LESSER OF EITHER 5% OR CPI. AND SO THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME STABILITY FOR FUTURE RATE INCREASES FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT.

SO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND A LOT OF THE SLIDES YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE ARE GOING TO BE SLIDES THAT YOU'VE YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. SO IN TERMS OF HOW WE PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. SO IT IS A SHARED GARBAGE SERVICE. AND SO THERE ARE FOUR CENTRALIZED

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AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED IN MARCH. NEXT SLIDE. OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL YEAR, STAFF HAS MET WITH THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON SERVICE, THE FEEDBACK THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED CAN GENERALLY FIT INTO THREE BUCKETS ECONOMICS, FAIRNESS AND COMPLIANCE. AND ESTHETICS. SO FIRST, BUSINESSES HAVE SAID THEY WANT TO KEEP RATES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. SECOND, IN TERMS OF PAYING FOR THE SERVICE, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FAIR AND THAT EVERYBODY PAYS THEIR FAIR SHARE. AND IN ESTHETICS, WE HAVE A VERY WELL DEVELOPED DOWNTOWN. IT'S VERY CLEAN, NEAT AND ORDERLY, AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KEEP THAT SAME HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE.

NEXT SLIDE. SO PRESENTED BACK IN MARCH. THERE WERE THREE OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT RATES RATE OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED. SO THE FIRST RATE OPTION A WAS WHERE EACH OF THE CUSTOMER CLASS WOULD PAY FOR ITS RESPECTIVE COSTS. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR RATE MODEL, RESIDENTIAL WOULD PAY FOR RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL FOR COMMERCIAL, AND THE DOWNTOWN WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF. RATE MODEL B WAS A SHARED COST OF SERVICE MODEL, WHERE OTHER RATE CLASSES WOULD HELP SUBSIDIZE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS A TRANSITION IN TERMS OF HOW THOSE COSTS WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. SO YEAR ONE, ALL BUSINESSES WOULD PAY THE CURRENT RATES WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. YEAR TWO, 25% OF THE CBD COSTS WOULD BE PAID BY THE CBD BUSINESSES. AND YEAR THREE THAT WOULD MOVE UP TO 50% RATE. MODEL C IS THE SAME AS B, EXCEPT THOSE INCREASES WERE SPREAD OUT OVER FIVE YEARS. IN ORDER NOT TO HAVE A SPIKE IN YEAR ONE. THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPING THE RATE STRUCTURE FOR OPTION C ON NEXT SLIDE. SO IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RATES USING THE TAPERED TRANSITION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU CAN SEE THE ACTUAL EXPENSES REVENUES AND THE SUBSIDY THERE. SO IN YEAR ONE WHERE ALL BUSINESSES PAY THE CURRENT RATES, WE EXPECT REVENUES TO BE ABOUT $123,000. MOVING DOWN, YOU CAN SEE HOW THOSE REVENUES INCREASE WHEN IT GOES TO 25% TO 50%. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE EXPECTED CBD OR THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SUBSIDY WOULD BE. ON NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE'S A SLIDE SHOWING THE SAME INFORMATION AS BEFORE. THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN TERMS OF HOW WE BREAK DOWN THE LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH, IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT SIZE OF BUSINESS AND TYPE OF BUSINESS, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NEXT SLIDE.

FOR YEARS TWO AND THREE, IN THAT WHAT WE WOULD WORK ON IN FISCAL YEAR 25 IS WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT FACTORS MOST CLOSELY CORRELATE TO DEMAND OF SERVICE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS, RATE CLASS CHART IS, IS LOOKING TO, ASSIGN THOSE COSTS. SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE TYPE OF BUSINESS CLOSELY CORRELATES TO DEMAND OF SERVICE. SO A RESTAURANT WOULD HAVE A HIGHER USE OR PRODUCE MORE GARBAGE THAN SAY AN OFFICE. AND THEN THE OTHER FACTOR THAT CLOSELY CORRELATES IS THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESS. SO A SMALL A SMALL RESTAURANT WOULD PRODUCE LESS GARBAGE THAN A LARGE RESTAURANT. AND SO ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS THAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD NEED TO COLLECT THE DATA FROM THE DOWNTOWN TO DETERMINE ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWNTOWN AND THEIR SIZ, AND THEN BE ABLE TO FIT THEM WITHIN THIS RATE STRUCTURE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT THE SIZE OF THE OR THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE SUBSIDY THAT WOULD BE

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AND THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE STRUCTURING THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. THERE ARE SOME OTHER ORDINANCE UPDATES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL, TO CLARIFY, DOOR SIDE COLLECTION ASSISTANCE FOR DISABLED RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER UPDATES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE FOR CURRENT PRACTICES AND BEST PRACTICES, AS WELL. ON NEXT SLIDE. ONE MORE.

SO NEXT STEPS AGAIN. OCTOBER 1ST IS A START DATE FOR FRONTIER. NOW ACTUALLY OCTOBER 1ST IS A TUESDAY. SO WE'VE MADE ARRANGEMENTS BETWEEN WASTE CONNECTIONS AND FRONTIER. SO THE ACTUAL START DATE WILL BE SEPTEMBER 30TH WHICH IS A MONDAY, THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO DO WITHIN FISCAL YEAR 25. THE FIRST IS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IS FOR THE TO DEVELOP THE RATE STRUCTURE FOR THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES FOR YEARS TWO AND THREE, AND THEN COMMUNICATE THAT AND COORDINATE THAT WITH THE BUSINESSES OVER THE NEXT YEAR. SECOND, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE ANOTHER RATE STUDY FOR THE SOLID WASTE FUND. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THIS WILL BE THE FIRST YEAR IN WHICH WE HAVE THE NEW VENDOR, AS WELL AS A NEW POTENTIAL NEW PROCESS FOR CHARGING THE DOWNTOWN. AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WENT INTO THE ORIGINAL RATE STUDY ARE CORRECT, AND THEN THE NEXT STEP IN THAT PROCESS WOULD BE TO INCORPORATE THOSE RATES AND THAT PROCESS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET.

ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM IS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP A SUSTAINABILITY ROADMAP BASED ON THE ADOPTED SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT STRATEGY. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP AND GET YOUR INPUT ON. THAT WOULD GO INTO THE SUSTAINABILITY ROADMAP.

SOME OF THOSE WOULD INCLUDE HOW DO WE IMPROVE COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY RECYCLING? HOW DO WE DIVERT MORE CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION DEBRIS. AND WE'VE RECEIVED SOME INTEREST FROM RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF COMPOSTING AS WELL. AND SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. AND SO I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS YOU KNOW, RYAN, YOU SAID YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HOW THIS TRANSITION HAS BEEN TOUGH. BUT I WANT TO COMMEND YOU AND ERIC. I SEE ERIC HERE AND IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR YOU GUYS. IT'S BEEN A LOT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS PUT IN AND HOW IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE PUZZLE PIECES TOGETHER. BUT THE TRASH PICKUP SEEMS TO BE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE. AND AS A 26 YEAR RESIDENT OF DOWNTOWN FOR MY OFFICE, I APPRECIATE HOW YOUR APPROACH HERE. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY FAIR. AND I'M CERTAINLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. THANK YOU.

OKAY, OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SIR. ITEM TWO FOR 1910 PRESENTATION ON DOWNTOWN FIRE

[Presentation on Downtown Fire Suppression]

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SO YOU CAN SEE MANY OF THE BLOCKS DO HAVE SOME OF THE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN REDEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS AND HAVE IMPLEMENTED FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. OTHER BLOCKS ARE WHOLLY WITHOUT ANY FIRE SPRINKLER COVERAGE. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE UNDERSTOOD. THIS MAP ALSO SHOWS OUR WATER LINES THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT AND THE SIZE OF THOSE LINES. WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, MOST OF THOSE LINES ARE 12 INCH LINES IN THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES WE ALSO HAVE ON HERE THE AVERAGE PSI PRESSURE READINGS AT KEY LOCATIONS. THE LOCATIONS OF HYDRANTS. AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN LOOKING AT THE FIRE FLOW CAPABILITIES OF THE LINES, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT A IT'S A MEASURE OF HOW MUCH WATER YOU CAN PUSH INTO A SYSTEM TO FIRST TO FIGHT THE FIRES WITH THE AUTOMATIC FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, BUT ALSO SECOND, THE ABILITY TO FIGHT THE FIRES FROM THE HYDRANTS WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOWS UP TO EXTINGUISH FIRES. SO ALL KEY COMPONENTS TO WHAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. SO JUST SORT OF A NARRATIVE. SOME OF THE THINGS I JUST MENTIONED, WATER LINES, MANY OF THE LINES HAVE BEEN UPGRADED TO 12 INCH LINES. WATER PRESSURE IS ADEQUATE TO MEET CITY STANDARDS IN THE AREA. THE FIRE FLOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A KEY METRIC OF THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS AS WELL AS THE FIRE FIGHTING IN DOWNTOWN. AND AS WE'RE TESTING THAT CURRENTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE OUR NUMBERS ARE SUFFICIENT TO PUSH WATER THROUGH THE SYSTEM IN THE NEED OR IN THE EVENTUALITY OF A FIRE. HYDRANTS ARE DISTRIBUTED APPROPRIATELY THROUGH DOWNTOWN. FIRE RESPONSE TIMES ARE VERY GOOD FOR DOWNTOWN. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME. THERE'S SOME GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS TO THAT. SO WITH FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE BEING LOCATED RIGHT HERE DOWNTOWN, VERY QUICK RESPONSE TIME. HOWEVER, THE STREETS ARE NARROW AND THE TRAFFIC CAN BACK UP. AND WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS AND OTHER FESTIVALS AND STREET CLOSURES, IT CAN HINDER THAT RESPONSE TIME. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. AND THEN OVERALL, RELATIVELY FEW BUILDINGS ARE CURRENTLY PROTECTED WITH FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. AND THEN SOME CHALLENGES THAT WE LOOKED AT. SO THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDINGS IS ONE CHALLENGE. TRYING TO IMPLEMENT OR RETROFIT WITH FIRE SPRINKLERS CAN BE COSTLY AND DISRUPTIVE FOR OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IS SOMEWHAT FRACTURED. THERE AREN'T A LOT OF BLOCKS THAT HAVE SINGLE OWNERSHIP THAT CAN WORK TOGETHER, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT EXTENDING WATER SUPPLY TO THE BUILDINGS. SO WE PUT IN THOSE NICE WATER LINES UNDER THE STREET. HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO DO A FIRE TAP AND BRING THE LINE

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ANY PROGRAM WE HAVE HAS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THESE ARE REAL PROPERTIES WITH REAL BUSINESSES THAT NEED TO CONTINUE TO OPERATT AS EASY AS SHUTTING IT DOWN AND GUTTING A BUILDING AND PUTTING IN SOME FIRE SPRINKLERS AND THEN LAST ONE HERE IS IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE IN MOST CASES.

SO IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, THE FIRE CODE AND THE BUILDING CODES REQUIRE CERTAIN THINGS TO HAPPEN IN OUR DOWNTOWN. NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE IT. WELL, TELL YOU WHAT, IF I ONLY HAD A SLIDE THAT EXPLAINED THIS, I WOULD FLIP TO IT. HERE YOU GO. SO RETROACTIVE FIRE SPRINKLER INSTALLATION. SO TYPICALLY THERE ARE CERTAIN TRIGGERS THAT KICK IN THE NEED FOR SOMEONE TO RETROACTIVELY INSTALL FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. SO THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN OCCUPANCY THAT INCLUDES A HIGHER REQUIREMENT. SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU'RE GOING FROM A RETAIL OR OFFICE TO A RESTAURANT. USE ALTERATIONS WHERE THE WORK AREA IS GREATER THAN 50% OF THE BUILDING OR FLOOR AREA. EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING FROM BELOW 6000FT■S, RESULTING IN MOE THAN 6000FT■S WORK AREAS, HAVE CORRIDORS SERVING MULTIPLE TENANTS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DOWNTOWN. EXISTING RESTAURANTS WHERE THE OCCUPANT LOAD IS GREATER THAN 300 AND ALCOHOL SERVED. SO THESE ARE A NUMBER OF TRIGGERS THAT KICK IN THESE REQUIREMENTS. SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO TRIGGER ONE OF THESE THEN THERE'S A REQUIREMEN.

AND THEN WE'RE REQUIRED BY BUILDING AND FIRE CODES. YOU CAN SEE THOSE NUMBERS. BUT HERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM WE HAVE A COUPLE EXCEPTIONS. AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THESE EXCEPTIONS. ONE IS IF THERE'S INSUFFICIENT MUNICIPAL WATER SUPPLY, WHICH WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN DOWNTOWN. BUT WE DON'T REQUIRE SOMEONE TO ADD FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS TO THEIR BUILDINGS IF WE CAN'T PUSH WATER THROUGH IT. SO IT'S NOT USEFUL. THE LAST ONE IS HISTORIC BUILDINGS. SO IF SOMETHING IS REGISTERED AND HAS A PLACARD ON THE BUILDING AS A HISTORIC BUILDING, AND THIS IS IN THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND BUILDING CODE, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO DO THE WORK TO ADD FIRE SPRINKLERS. SO THERE WE JUST HAPPEN TO BE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IN DOWNTOWN WHERE MANY OF THE BUILDINGS WOULD MEET THIS REQUIREMENT. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. FURTHERMORE, I WOULD SAY IF THERE WERE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD REQUIRE IF I OWNED A RETAIL BUILDING AND MY SHOP CLOSES DOWN AND MR. HAUSER DECIDES TO OPEN A DIFFERENT SHO, IF WE HAD A REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY LIKE FOR LIKE CHANGE IN USE. SO RETAIL STAY IN RETAIL PUT IN FIRE SPRINKLERS, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE OF DOING THAT. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES. SO WE CAN'T JUST LEAN ON THE CODE AND SAY EVERY TIME SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE CAN FORCE A PROPERTY OWNER OR A SHOP OWNER TO INSTALL FIRE SPRINKLERS. SO THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THE CODE FRONT, THEN I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OUR TWO EXISTING PROGRAMS, IN RESEARCHING THESE PROGRAMS AND COMPARING THEM TO OTHER CITIES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY STRONG PROGRAMS, WE'LL SAY THEY'RE NOT BEING UTILIZED TO THE LEVEL THAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WANT TO CENTER THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT. OR I GUESS THIS AFTERNOON, SO TERM NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A IN OUR PROJECT PLAN FOR TERM NUMBER ONE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE TOURS, WE'VE HAD THIS IDEA OF A VACANT SLASH UNDERUTILIZED BUILDING. AND SO THERE'S A CERTAIN TYPE OF INCENTIVE SOMEONE CAN REQUEST UNDER THE VACANT SLASH UNDERUTILIZED BUILDING PROVISION OF THE CODE.

AND AT SOME POINT IN THAT PROJECT PLAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THESE GRANTS, CAN BE USED FOR A UNIFIED FIRE SUPPRESSION PLAN FOR THE HISTORIC SQUARE, OR IT COULD BE USED ON AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN. SO WE HAVE HAD SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE UTILIZED THIS, IT SAYS ITEMS CONSIDERED FIRE SUPPRESSION INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO UNDERGROUND LEAD IN MAINS. SO WHAT I TALKED ABOUT UNDER THE ROAD AND SIDEWALK FIRE SPRINKLER RISERS, THE SYSTEM TO GET TO TRANSITION FROM UNDERGROUND INTO THE BUILDING SYSTEM, AS WELL AS THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, STANDPIPE HOSE SYSTEMS AND THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM. SO IT DOES COVER EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE NEEDING FOR DOWNTOWN. CURRENTLY, THE ADMINISTRATION POLICY ESTABLISHES A $50,000 CAP SO YOU CAN REQUEST UP TO $50,000 FOR THIS. THIS FIRE SUPPRESSION NEEDS. AND IT REQUIRES A 50 OVER 50 MATCH. SO IF THE CHURCH IS GOING TO OFFER A $50,000 GRANT TO A PROJECT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING $50,000 OF PRIVATE MONEY TO THE PROJECT AS WELL. SO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, THIS PROGRAM LOOKING AT UTILIZATION, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE UTILIZED THE FIRE

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HE WOULD ALLOCATE ROOM FOR A RISER. FROM THERE WE WOULD RUN THE FROM UNDERGROUND UP INTO THE BUILDING, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A LATERAL WATER LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO PENETRATE THROUGH ALL OF THE FIREWALLS BETWEEN. IT'S DOABLE, BUT IT TAKES COOPERATION. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH OWNERSHIP AND ACCESS. SO IF THE RISER ROOM WAS IN MR. GRIMES SPACE, ALL OF YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO HIS SPACE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT RISER ROOM. SO IS IT ON THE EXTERIOR? IS THERE AN EXTERIOR ENTRANCE? AND THEN QUESTIONS OF WHAT WERE TO HAPPEN IF THERE'S A MALFUNCTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH. BUT IT'S JUST IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN EACH PERSON HAVING THEIR OWN DEDICATED RISER AND LATERALS. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WISHES TO GO FORWARD WITH, WE THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD DEFINITELY PURSUE TONIGHT. WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TO ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS OR HURDLES AND SO WE WANTED TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU SO WE COULD HAVE THE CONVERSATION. IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE GO, WE WILL. WE'LL GO THAT DIRECTION. IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING IN THE INTERIM WHILE WE ARE INVESTIGATING THE MORE COMPLICATED ISSUE AND WANT TO CHANGE THE DOLLAR FIGURES OF THE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL. SO THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. WE COULD WE COULD GO FORWARD WITH SOME PROGRAM AMENDMENTS VERY QUICKLY AND THEN WORK THROUGH THE LOGISTICS OF THE MORE COMPLICATED ISSUES. GARY, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE COST OF IF SOMEONE IS REQUIRED TO PUT IN A RISER ROOM AND A SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AND A FIRE ALARM, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST TO SOMEBODY TO DO THAT? SO WE WE'VE BEEN PULLING A LOT OF THE INFORMATION. SO WHEN PEOPLE FIRE FILE, THEIR PLANS FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, WE'VE, WE'VE THEY'VE FILE SOME COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND THE LATERAL OR THE FIRE TAP TO THE RISER ROOM. I WOULD SAY YOU'D PROBABLY BE PLANNING ANYWHERE DEPENDING ON LOCATION AND DISTANCE FROM WHERE THE WATER MAIN IS PROBABLY BETWEEN 5 AND $15,000 FOR THAT TYPE OF SYSTEM. AND THEN THE RULE OF THUMB THEY WERE GIVING ME, WAS IT, IT WAS ABOUT 5 TO $10 PER SQUARE FOOT FOR THE FIRE COVERAGE. SO THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM ITSELF, BETWEEN 5 TO $10

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OTHERS GO UP TO THREE AND HAVE LARGER FLOOR PLATES. SO YOU'D LOOK AT THAT, CALL IT 5 TO $10 PER SQUARE FOOT FOR THE FIRE SPRINKLER COSTS, AND 5 TO $15,000 FOR THE TAP TO THE RISE.

SO IN A IN A BUILDING THAT IS OCCUPIED AND I'M GOING TO PICK ON THE BUILDING THAT I'VE OFFICE IN FOR 26 YEARS, WHICH IS THE OLD COMMERCIAL HOTEL. 119 WEST VIRGINIA. ELMHURST. THERE IT'S A THREE STORY BRICK BUILDING. WE'VE GOT A MAJOR RESTAURANT DOWN ON THE FIRST FLOOR, A VERY WELL CALL IT A MILD RESTAURANT. THEY JUST SELL PRE-MADE, WHAT DO YOU CALL THOSE FRENCH COOKIES? YEAH, THE MACAROONS. YEAH. MACAROONS. YEAH. MACRONS. ANYWAY. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF US OFFICING UPSTAIRS. THE BENEFITS TO THE BUILDING OWNER WOULD BE THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT FIRE SUPPRESSION, WHEREAS BEFORE YOU DIDN'T. AND I'VE GOT TO THINK THAT HELPS ON THEIR INSURANCE PREMIUMS, TOO. YOU MAY NOT HAVE A HANDLE ON THAT, BUT IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET A DISCOUNT ON THEIR EXISTING INSURANCE PREMIUMS. THE DOWNSIDE IS, IS THAT IT'S HARD TO OPERATE ALL THE BUSINESSES WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO COME IN AND PUT IN ALL THE PIPING, THE SPRINKLERS AND DISTURB THE TENANTS FOR SOME LENGTH OF TIME. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT THE COST, OF DOING IT, WHICH YOU JUST OUTLINED. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THIS IS A HUGE RISK THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE WITH. YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE RYE FIRE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT MAN, WE'VE BEEN LUCKY, I THINK.

AND WE NEED TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS. IT WAS JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT WE HAD THAT FIRE DOWN SOUTH ON HIGHWAY FIVE THAT BURNED CHICKEN EXPRESS DOWN. NOW, THAT'S NOT A BUILDING THAT I THINK ANYBODY CLUTCH THEIR PEARLS OVER TOO MUCH. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT DID HAPPEN AND IT COULD EASILY BE HAPPENING DOWNTOWN. SO I WOULD LOVE TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS. I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD MEAN FOR THE RISE OF ROOM, EVERYWHERE. LIKE WHERE WOULD THE CITY RECOMMEND IF THEY HAD OMNIPOTENCE TO PUT THEM? WHEN WE CAN TALK TO PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT IF NOTHING ELSE, I'D CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO INCREASING OUR LIMITS IN TERMS OF TERS FUNDING TO DO THIS TO HELP GET REAL PARTICIPATION IN THIS, TO PRESERVE THESE BUILDINGS. AND ON THAT FRONT, MR. GRIMES AND I WERE TALKING THROUGH THIS. THERE COULD BE KIND OF A COMBINATION INCENTIVE PROGRAM WHERE MAYBE THE CITY FUNDS 100% OF THE FIRE TAP AND RISER ROOM, AND THEN THERE'S A PERCENTAGE ON THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM ITSELF, BECAUSE YOU COULD MAKE A CLAIM, ESPECIALLY TO THE PROPERTY LINE FROM THE WATER. THE WATER MAIN UNDER THE STREET TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS A PIPE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S A PUBLIC PROPERTY. FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, IT BECOMES A PRIVATE SYSTEM AND MAYBE YOU OFFER A SIGNIFICANT WHETHER IT'S 100% OR 95% OF THE COST OF THIS. AND THEN THE INSIDE, THE BUILDING PORTION, A LESSER MAYBE A 25, 75 TO TRY TO INCENTIVIZE AND SEE IF THAT GAINS ANY TRACTION. IF, YOU KNOW, IN 18 MONTHS, NO ONE BITES ON THAT. NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE IT BECAUSE OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU'VE OUTLINED, WHICH I WILL SAY SOME OF US REALLY DO MISS HAVING CHICKEN EXPRESS NEAR DOWNTOWN. THAT WAS A BIG LOSS FOR SOME OF US. AND IT'S A DAY THAT WILL NOT I APOLOGIZE FOR MY INSENSITIVITY, BUT THE LOSS OF ANY BUILDING IS A TRAVESTY. THE NUMBER ON A RISER, THAT WOULD BE ASSUMING, OF COURSE, THAT THERE

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SO WE WANT TO PROTECT ALL OF OUR ASSETS AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO DEVELOP THE DOWNTOWN AREA, MY, MY QUESTION REALLY IS ABOUT THE FUNDING MECHANISMS. I KNOW WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT POTS THAT WE COME OUT OF, AND I THINK I FIND IT A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN WITH THAT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT COME FROM ONE POT, AND I PREFER TERS SINCE IT'S TAXES COMING FROM THIS DISTRICT ITSELF TO GO BACK INTO THE INVESTMENT AND TO THE FIRE SUPPRESSION AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THESE FOLKS GO INTO THE CDC FUNDING. CDC ALREADY HAS A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THEY FUND.

AND I JUST I THINK THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE, DEFINITELY, FOR TERS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIRECT PEOPLE HERE AS OPPOSED TO CDC, I DO AGREE WITH GEORGE THAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT FUNDING THE RISERS. THERE'S NO REAL INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO DO THAT THEMSELVES. SO I JUST I WOULD AGREE WITH US MOVING FORWARD AND INVESTIGATING HOW MUCH THAT COST US. AND SEE IF IT'S A FEASIBLE THING FOR US TO DO, I WANTED TO ALSO GET YOUR INPUT ON WHETHER OR NOT THE BUSINESS OWNERS DOWNTOWN KIND OF HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS INVESTIGATION AND WHAT THEIR FEEDBACK HAS BEEN IN TERMS OF SHARING SOME OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CONNECTION TO THE RISERS. SO WE HAVE INCLUDED GRAHAM MEYER FROM THE MAIN STREET ON OUR TEAM, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GOING OUT AND HAVING SOME PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS, BUT WE WANTED TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU FIRST. SO WE KIND OF KNEW WHAT OUR PARAMETERS WERE BEFORE WE JUST SAID, HEY, WHAT'S YOUR WISH LIST? AND WE'LL TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. SO AFTER TONIGHT, OUR NEXT STEP IS GOING TO BE TO HOLD SOME MEETINGS AND PIGGYBACK ON SOME OF THEIR REGULAR MEETINGS THEY HAVE FOR THE BUSINESS MONTHLY, GATHERINGS THEY HAVE DOWNTOWN TO SHARE THIS AND GET FEEDBACK FROM FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO TO DATE, WE HAVE NOT DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH. I THINK AS WELL. WE NEED TO

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MARY, HOW LONG DID YOU SAY THE TERS PROGRAM HAD BEEN IN PLACE? YOU SAID THE CDC HAD STARTED IN.

YEAH. SO CDC HAS ONLY HAD THEIR PROGRAM IN PLACE. I BELIEVE FOUR YEARS. THE I'M GOING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DIDN'T BRING MY FOLDER WITH ME. I BELIEVE THE TERS UTILIZING IT FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION HAS PROBABLY BEEN IN PLACE EIGHT YEARS. AND THOSE EXAMPLES ARE THE ONLY ONES WE'VE USED IT FOR. 6 OR 7 IS WHAT HE'S TELLING US. THOSE EXAMPLES ARE THE ONLY ONES WE'VE USED IT FOR, OR THOSE ARE JUST THE MOST RECENT. SO THERE ARE MANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF FACADE IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES. AND ONE OF THOSE WAS A NEW BUILD THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED IT ANYWAY BASED ON CODE. IT WASN'T A WE WEREN'T INCENTIVIZED TO A CARROT. THEY DID GET BENEFIT FROM IT, BUT THEY HAD TO DO IT ANYWAY, RIGHT? I GUESS FROM MY STANDPOINT, I SEE TOO MANY OPPORTUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS ON THESE THINGS THAT PATRICK'S TALKING ABOUT HIS BUILDING. IT'S RED. IT'S NEVER GOING TO GET TURNED OVER INTO A FIRE SUPPRESSION BUILDING, UNLESS THERE IS SOME ENHANCEMENT TO THE CARROTS OR SOME, YOU KNOW, INCREASING OF THE STICKS IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE THE USE DOESN'T, DOESN'T CHANGE IT FOR THEM. AND YOU CAN COUNT UP, YOU CAN PROBABLY GET OVER FIVE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE IN, YOU KNOW, UNPROTECTED BUILDINGS OR AT LEAST OVENS THAT ARE IN UNPROTECTED BUILDINGS ON THAT MAP, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT LAYERED, YOU'VE GOT HUGS, YOU'VE GOT, ALMAGOR, YOU'VE GOT A COOKIE PLACE OVER HERE. I MEAN, LIKE YOU'VE GOT A PIE PLACE. YOU CAN START ADDING UP ALL OF THE OVENS THAT WE'VE GOT IN THESE BUILDINGS WITHOUT FIRE SUPPRESSION AND IT. THE WAITING AROUND FOR EITHER THE INVESTOR TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT DECISION, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE HAPPENING. AND WAITING FOR ONE OF THOSE TRIGGERS TO HAPPEN. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TRIGGERS THAT REQUIRE IT. SO I GUESS I'M FOR. LET'S INCREASE THE CARROTS, BUT LET'S INCREASE THE STICKS, TOO, BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE LEFT TO AN INDIVIDUAL INVESTOR WHEN THEY POTENTIALLY PUT AN ENTIRE BLOCK AT RISK. AND SO HOW DO WE TEAR THAT? HOW DO HOW DO WE MAKE THIS MAP MORE GREEN? I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THE CARROT SIDE, BUT I ALSO THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THE STICK SIDE. AND I'M FOR IF IT'S CHANGING OVER, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PUT IF THEY'RE CHANGING OCCUPANCY, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO IT. AND IF WE CAN TAKE AWAY THE COST BURDEN TO THAT, THEN THEY'VE GOT NO REASON NOT TO DO IT. AND IT HELPS ALL OF US, DO WE, IT'S GOING TO BE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MARK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, FROM THE STICK STANDPOINT AND I AGREE WITH JUSTIN'S THINKING, WHAT ABILITY DO WE HAVE? HOW HOW IS THE GRANDFATHERED, GRANDFATHER LAWS OR ORDINANCES, WHATEVER. ARE THEY ARE THEY PROTECTED ABOVE AND BEYOND? WHAT OUR ABILITY AND CAPACITY IS TO AMEND THOSE TO REQUIRE, LIKE A VESTED RIGHTS QUESTION, IS THERE A VESTED RIGHT? AND THE VESTED RIGHTS DON'T APPLY TO CODE. SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ISSUE. SO TO AMEND THE CODE. SO JUST WE JUST THEORETICALLY WE COULD PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT SAID EVERY BUILDING MUST BE FIRE PROTECTED BY DATE, CERTAIN OR, WE'LL REVOKE YOUR CO OR YOUR ABILITY TO OPERATE. THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE BIGGEST STICK. AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF TALK BACK FROM THERE. I MEAN, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO YOU KNOW, PHASE THOSE THINGS IN. BUT YOU COULD HAVE IT WASN'T SUGGESTING WE DO THAT. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS OUR REALM. YEAH. WHAT'S OUR ABILITY IN A CODE AMENDMENT SCENARIO, YOU COULD HAVE A PROVISION THAT IT WAS REQUIRED AS A CONDITION OF A CO BY A CERTAIN DATE FOR A CERTAIN TYPE OF USE. SO IF WE TOOK IF WE TOOK THE FINANCIAL BURDEN AWAY, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE UNREASONABLE TO PUT IN A, A CODE, AN AMENDMENT TO OUR CODES ORDINANCES OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT WOULD ALLOW AND YOU'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER AREAS THAT ARE COSTLY. BUT YES. YEAH JUST FOR DISCUSSION. I HAD A I HAD A QUESTION AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 50% MATCH. WHAT IF YOU DID A 50%

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IT'S LET'S COVER AS MUCH OF THE COST AS WE FEEL IS APPROPRIATE. SO THAT THERE'S NOT EVEN A NEED FOR A LOAN. BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE INSTANCE OR THE EXAMPLE THAT I GAVE EARLIER OF LET'S COVER 100% OF THE COST OF THE FIRE TAP AND THE FIRE RISER, AND THEN HAVE THEM PURCHASE AT A PERCENTAGE OF THE FIRE SPRINKLER COST. HOPEFULLY WE GET THAT DOWN TO SOMETHING REASONABLE AND IF YOU TIED IT TO A STICK LIKE MR. BELLER SAID, AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SAYS IF THERE'S A CO NEEDED THIS HAS TO HAPPEN. I MEAN THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG STICK AND IT WON'T BE A POPULAR STICK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. BUT LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU REMOVE THE COST IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING. I MEAN FOR ME I SEE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES YOU COULD IDENTIFY THAT THE CARROT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH. AND THAT THEY WOULD THEY WOULD SWITCH OVER TO A DIFFERENT USE. YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THE COMMENT ABOUT PEOPLE WOULD ADD RESIDENTIAL UNITS INTO SOME OF THESE OLD BUILDINGS. BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SPENDING A, YOU KNOW, $100,000 FOR A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, BECAUSE THAT'S REQUIRED IN RESIDENTIAL, THEN IT MAKES IT UNAFFORDABLE. AND, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THOSE THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, ZERO REASON, LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE. AND, AND YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE IT A FULL CARROT AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY TURN OVER. AND THAT CREATES RISK FOR EVERYBODY. AND SO I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE 100% OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE TAP AND 50% OF THE OR 75% OF THE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM OR WHAT. BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO BOTH TO GET A BETTER OUTCOME THAN THIS. BECAUSE THIS THIS SCARES ME. THIS IS THIS IS BAD FOR ALL OF US. AND SO GOING BACK TO YOUR FIRST PAGE, WE NEED BETTER OUTCOMES. AND SIX YEARS WITH TWO TWO, UTILIZATIONS OF THE PROGRAM AND ISN'T GOING TO GET US THERE. BARRY, IS THERE ALSO. AND AGAIN, MAYBE A MARK AND PAUL WEIGH IN ON THIS. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT, LET'S SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 75, 25 FOR A MINUTE AND A R 25% INVESTMENT WITH INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS GET INDIVIDUAL BIDS FROM INDIVIDUAL FIRE SUPPRESSION COMPANIES IS PROBABLY A DRAMATIC, DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT NUMBER THAN IF WE WERE TO PUT OUT AN RFP FOR A FOR COMPANIES TO LOOK AT COMING IN AND DOING FIRE SUPPRESSION FOR THE ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, BLOCKS, YOU KNOW, I MAKE UP NUMBERS. BUT IF, IF, IF ALL INDIVIDUALLY COST, YOU KNOW, 1,000,005, I IMAGINE A SINGLE VENDOR IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THAT. AND ULTIMATELY OUR INVESTMENT IS LOWER. WHETHER WE'RE TALKING 50%, 25% OR 100%. AND I WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT. IF IT IS STILL A PRIVATELY BID PROJECT FOR THE WHOLE WHEN YOU WORK FOR THE CITY, WITH OUR BONDING REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE DO KIND OF MAKE UP THE COST SAVINGS THROUGH OUR ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE GET. YEAH, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO DO A BLOCK AT A TIME, THAT IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER OVERALL CONSTRUCTION WISE THAN IT WOULD BE TO HAVE EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER COME IN AND DO THE SAME. BUT SO IF I MAY, EVEN HELPING FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION, EVEN IF WE WERE NOT THE ONES DOING IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING. IT MIGHT BE A CASE WHERE WE GET PEOPLE TO WORK TOGETHER ON IT, BUT STILL KEEP IT AS A PRIVATE PROJECT. SO THE CITY IS NOT THE ONE CONTRACTING TO DO THE WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR INSURANCE AND BONDING AND WHATNOT. IF I MAY, I'M HEARING FAIRLY UNANIMOUS. WE WANT TO GO WITH A MUCH STRONGER PROGRAM. WE WANT TO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE INCENTIVES IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE. WE NEED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM OUR DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS AND SHOP OWNERS, AND THAT. SO MAYBE WE TAKE SOME OPTIONS AND START TALKING WITH THE BUSINESS MONTHLY MEETING AND SEE WHAT CARROT WOULD BE

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AND THEN WE COULD BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DECISIONS AT THAT POINT.

AGAIN AND FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ALONE FOR SOME AMOUNT. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY IF THE COUNCIL HAD, LET'S SAY A WHOLE BLOCK WAS EVERY ONE BUT ONE HOLDOUT. YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY IF THERE IS A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE TO DO EMINENT DOMAIN. IF YOU NEEDED AN EASEMENT FROM ONE LAST PERSON, NOT THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DESIRED AND HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN. BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT ABILITY IF YOU HAVE THAT HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE. SO ABSOLUTELY. DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT NOW? I THINK WE AND I THINK HAVING THE DISCUSSION WITH BUILDING OWNERS WOULD PROVIDE FOR BETTER DISCUSSION UP HERE. NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME PARAMETERS, AND KIND OF THE GENERAL FEELING OF THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE THAT OUT, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM OUR DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS AND RETURN. GREAT. THANK YOU BARRY. THANK

[Presentation on the City of McKinney’s Proposed Legislative Priorities for the 89th Session of the Texas State Legislature]

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON OUR PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR THE 89TH MEETING OF THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE STARTS AT 133 DAYS.

AND WHO'S COUNTING, IT'LL LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS SEEN IN THE PAST.

I'LL TOUCH BASE ON SOME A FEW MINOR ADJUSTMENTS. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IS YOUR AGENDA. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD, EDIT, SUBTRACT, FEEL FREE TO INTERJECT AS I GO THROUGH THE SLIDES. SO FIRST THINGS FIRST, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE STAND AS A FOUNDATIONAL VIEWPOINT OF WHAT MCKINNEY IS AND WHAT WE REPRESENT WHEN WE ARE IN AUSTIN. IT'S NO SECRET TO ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL, SO I'LL JUMP RIGHT AHEAD, BUT IT'S TO GIVE A WAYPOINT FOR OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM THE AREA, BUT THEN ALSO ANY SENATE OR HOUSE COMMITTEES WE MAY BE VISITING WITH THROUGHOUT THE SESSION MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE MAYOR IN THEIR SEAT IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COUNCIL. WHENEVER THERE IS A MCKINNEY ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE TESTIFIED UPON AT THE CAPITOL, OR IF THERE'S ANY CORRESPONDENCE THAT NEEDS TO BE SENT TO THE CAPITOL, THAT IS A

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BUT PRIMARILY ONE HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE TO UP TO FOUR. SO 61 IS CURRENTLY FREDERICK FRAZIER, 66 IS MATT SHAHEEN, 67 IS JEFF LEACH. AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF YOUR SCREEN, 89 IS CANDI NOBLE. OUR SENATE SIDE IS ALWAYS PRIMARILY BEEN SENATE DISTRICT EIGHT. THAT'S ANGELA PAXTON. AND THEN THE SMALL BLOCK THAT YOU SEE SENATE DISTRICT 30 IS CURRENTLY DREW SPRINGER. SO I POINT THAT OUT TO REALLY MAKE A NOTE TO UNDERSCORE, FOUR YEARS AGO, WE WERE REPRESENTED BY MOSTLY TWO PEOPLE IN AUSTIN, AND NOW WE'RE UP TO SIX. THAT'S JUST A TELLTALE SIGN OF A GROWTH AREA GETTING MORE REPRESENTATION AS EVERYTHING IS ALLOCATED DURING THE CENSUS. AND THE MAP DRAWING.

SO WE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE GOING ON IN AUSTIN THESE DAYS THAN WE HAVE IN PREVIOUS SESSIONS. SO POINT BY POINT, I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE AGAIN. SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO LOOK FAMILIAR OVERALL, WE ARE IN SUPPORT AND WE RECOMMEND BEING IN SUPPORT OF UPHOLDING MUNICIPAL HOME RULE AUTHORITY AS IT STANDS AS IT EXPANDS AND THEN OPPOSING ANYTHING THAT WOULD REDUCE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE AUTHORITY. THAT'S KIND OF OUR HIGH LEVEL BULLET POINT THAT GUIDES ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE CALL OUT, SPECIFICALLY THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT IS, AS THE SESSION GOES ALONG, A LARGE KIND OF BIG TENT ITEM BEING PRESENT IN OUR AGENDA GIVES US A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY WHEN BILLS COME ACROSS OUR DESK THAT DON'T SPECIFICALLY HAVE A BULLET POINT IN THE ADOPTED AGENDA, WE'VE ADOPTED A STANDPOINT THAT'S UPHOLDING MUNICIPAL HOME RULE AUTHORITY, OPPOSING ITEMS THAT DEGRADE THAT AUTHORITY. I BELIEVE IN EVERY LEGISLATIVE AGENDA THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF AND THE PREVIOUS FEW BEFORE THAT. THAT INCLUDES MAINTAINING CURRENT REVENUE STRUCTURES, EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SEE THERE.

AND THEN WE WANT TO REALLY POINT OUT THE ISSUES OF LAND USE, ANNEXATION, EVERYTHING THAT SURROUNDS A FAST GROWING CITY LIKE MCKINNEY, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST COUPLE OF SESSIONS, AS WE SEE ETJ LAW CHANGE, MOST NOTABLY, SENATE BILL 2035.

EXCUSE ME. I'LL COME BACK TO IT, BUT THERE YOU GO. 2038. THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A HEARING THIS THURSDAY. AND SENATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. LIKEWISE, WE OFTEN HIGHLIGHT THE MCKINNEY NATIONAL AIRPORT AND ITS BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE FAA SYSTEM. BUT THEN ALSO TO THE REGION AS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE. WE WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF ANY AND ALL OPPORTUNITIES THAT LINK AVIATION, TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND BEYOND. WE HAVE A FEW SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT ARE CALLED OUT. THESE WILL LOOK FAMILIAR AS GENERAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT SUPPORT GETTING DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST SIDE. IT'S AGNOSTIC TO WHAT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS, BUT IT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE ON THE WEST SIDE OF MCKINNEY NATIONAL AIRPORT AND TO DEVELOP THE EAST SIDE, WE WILL NEED TO DEVELOP TAXI LANES, ROADWAY ACCESS. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. THOSE PROJECTS ARE LISTED OUT THERE ON THE SCREEN. WE'VE ALSO

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SO WE SUPPORT LEGISLATION, MAINTAINS THOSE UNIFORM ELECTION DATES IN MAY AND NOVEMBER. AND THEN OUR FINAL ITEM IS TO ENCOURAGE THE STATE, BUT ALSO TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO WHAT MCKINNEY DOES. AND BE TAKE THE FIRST STEP INTO BEING TRANSPARENT WITH OUR OPEN GOVERNMENT POLICIES. AND, ONE OF THOSE WAYS IS CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY AND IT'S KIND OF IT'S KIND OF A WONKISH, BUT IT'S SUPPORTING OUR ABILITY TO PUBLISH VARIOUS PUBLICATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AN AGENDA OUTSIDE OF JUST A NEWSPAPER, SO, FOR INSTANCE, WE GO THROUGH ALL SORTS OF EFFORT TO POST THINGS ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING OR THINGS ABOUT BOND ELECTIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ON OUR DIGITAL PLATFORMS ALL OVER MCKINNEY. HOWEVER, TO BE LEGALLY COMPLIANT, YOU GOT TO POST IT IN A PAPER RECORD, WE HAVE NO DATA REALLY ABOUT HOW FAR THAT REACH GETS, BUT WE DO KNOW HOW FAR OUR SOCIAL MEDIA REACH GETS. WE DO KNOW HOW MANY CLICKS A CERTAIN LINK WILL GET ON A WEB PAGE, SO WE WILL CONTINUE IF THE COUNCIL SO DIRECTS THIS EVENING TO ENDEAVOR TO GET THAT SHIFTED OVER AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND THEN FINALLY, THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE IN THE PAST, AND I SHOULD SAY THE COUNCIL HAS OPPOSED IN THE PAST, ANY EFFORT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THERE TO BE PARTIZAN ELECTIONS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. AND ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT A LETTER NEXT TO YOUR NAME IF YOU WERE GOING TO RUN FOR AN ELECTION FOR CITY COUNCIL OFFICE. WE ARE FINE WITH THAT. FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO OPPOSE ANY ITEM THAT COMES ACROSS DURING THE 89TH SESSION IN RELATION TO THAT. IF THE COUNCIL SO DIRECTS US THIS EVENING, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THE SLIDES I HAVE.

WHAT'S NEXT IS THIS EVENING ON YOUR REGULAR AGENDA, YOU'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION. THAT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT APPROVING A RANGE OF LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. IT'S A LITTLE LONGER OF A DOCUMENT, BUT THEY'RE ALL SUMMARIZED HERE IN THIS PRESENTATION, AND I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT. TREVOR, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE GOING DOWN THERE WITH YOU. YOU'RE ALWAYS A HUGE, HUGE ASSET. THANK YOU SIR. BOTH THERE AND DC FOR THAT MATTER, ANY QUESTIONS? I LOOK FORWARD TO THE BATTLE 133 DAYS. OKAY. THANKS WE'LL HOLD AS WE DO LIAISON UPDATES FOR THIS EVENING. UNLESS ANYONE FEELS

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AND IT IS 429.

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