[CALL TO ORDER]
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          EVENING. IT IS 5:31 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF OCTOBER THE 3RD, 2020. FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE ALL TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES. BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. OKAY, SO OUR 
          [Election of the Chair and Vice-Chair]
FIRST ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 24-2017 ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR FOR THIS TERM. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OR MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS. WE HAVE WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS MISSING AND ACTUALLY MEGAN'S NOT HERE YET. AND IF WE COULD TABLE THIS AND MAYBE PUT THIS ON OUR NEXT AGENDA IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. I SECOND THAT MOTION. SECONDED BY MR. MCWILLIAMS. ALL IN FAVOR, LET'S TRY TO USE OUR SEE IF WE CAN GET THE IPADS TO WORK. I THINK WE'D HAVE TO. SHOW OF HANDS. YEAH. OKAY. I MAY HAVE TO. IS IT WORKING? WE'LL SEE. LET'S SEE. DID IT POP UP? DID YOU GET A VOTE OPTION? NO, I DIDN'T HIT ANY BUTTON FOR. WE DIDN'T HAVE A MOTION OR SECOND BUTTONS. I THINK WE'RE COMING U. ZEROS. HANDS UP. OKAY. WE CAN WE CAN DO. OKAY. SO ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HANDS. OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT PASSES. OKAY. THE SECOND WORD WILL MOVE. WILL MOVE TO THE ELECTION OF THE VICE CHAIR. AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. DO I HAVE A SECOND BY A SECOND BY MR. WEST. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HANDS. OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT THAT PASSES. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE NON PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY ANY COMMENTS THAT ARE TURNED IN CAITLYN. ANY OKAY OKAY. OKAY OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 
          [CONSENT ITEMS]
24-201 EIGHT MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST THE 1ST, 2024. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? WE ALL WANT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS JUST THE MINUTES. YES. OKAY. MR. BURRIS MADE THAT MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY MR. MCWILLIAMS? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? 
          [PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS (For Non-Public Hearing Items)]
          [Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by David Kelly for Approval of a Historic Marker for the Property Located at 801 N Church Street]
OKAY, WE PASS THE PASS. THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER HP2024-0058. CONSIDER. DISCUSS. ACT ON THE REQUEST BY DAVID KELLY FOR APPROVAL OF A HISTORIC MARKER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 801 NORTH CHURCH STREET. CASSIE BUMGARNER WILL MAKE THAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. CASSIE. THANK YOU. FIRST, MARK, RECOLLECTION OR MIKE IS NOT ON THE. ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, ONE OF THE OWNERS, BARBARA KELLY, IS HERE TONIGHT. 
          SO THIS HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1917 AS A TWO STORY, EIGHT ROOM. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE AMERICAN FOURSQUARE STYLE, WHICH WAS WIDELY POPULAR FROM THE 1890S THROUGH THE 1930S. THAT STYLE IS RELATED BOTH TO THE PRAIRIE STYLE IS WHERE AS WELL AS THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE, BUT IT'S UNIQUELY KNOWN FOR ITS BOXY DESIGN. THE LARGE FRONT PORCHES AND THE WIDE STAIRS. THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW ALTERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, WHICH HAVE INCLUDED THAT REAR PORCH ADDITION, A SLEEPING PORCH WHICH WAS ENCLOSED, AND THE ADDITION AND LATER REMOVAL OF METAL SIDING. THE CURRENT OWNERS HAVE REHABILITATED THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME. THE HOME IS LISTED AS A MEDIUM PRIORITY IN THE 2023 HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. AND THEN, JUST 
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LIKE I MENTIONED, SOME OF THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE AMERICAN FOURSQUARE STYLE ARE SEEN ON THIS HOME, SUCH AS THAT LARGE WRAPPED FRONT PORCH AND THE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. 
          OTHER NOTABLE FEATURES OF THE STYLE ARE THE BOXY SHAPE, THE HIPPED ROOF, AND THE MORE SIMPLIFIED ORNAMENTATION. AMERICAN FOURSQUARE FOURSQUARE STYLE WAS ACTUALLY A REACTION TO THE VICTORIAN PERIOD, WHICH IS KNOWN FOR THOSE QUEEN ANNES WITH ALL THE DETAILS, SO THIS IS MUCH MORE SIMPLIFIED. THE HISTORIC MARKER APPLICATION GOES INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT THE HISTORY, BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE SOME OF THAT FOR YOU. SO REVEREND CHARLES WHITFIELD, DENNIS WAS THE PRESIDING ELDER OF THE METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH FROM 1914 TO 1918, AND THAT IS DURING THAT TIME IS WHEN HE HAD THE PARSONAGE BUILT. HE LED A CAMPAIGN TO RAISE FUNDS FOR IT AND HIRED WILLIAM J. HIGGINS TO CONSTRUCT IT. HE ONLY LIVED THERE ACTUALLY A SHORT TIME BEFORE HIS TERM AS THE PRESIDING ELDER CAME TO AN END. HOWEVER, THE ELDERS CONTINUED LIVING IN THERE UNTIL 1948, WHEN THE CHURCH BEGAN RENTING OUT THE HOME SO THEY CONTINUED HOMEOWNER OR OWNERSHIP OF THE HOME UNTIL 1953. THEN THEY SOLD THAT HOME TO AN AUTO SALESMAN NAMED THOMAS L HAYES, WHO CONTINUED RENTING OUT THE HOUSE IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS. THE HOME EXCHANGED HANDS NUMEROUS TIMES UNTIL 1975, WHEN GEORGE AND ELSIE KODERA PURCHASED THE HOME. THEY WERE THE HOME'S LONGEST CONTINUAL RESIDENTS, OWNING THE HOME FROM 1975 UNTIL 2008 OR 2017. AND THEN I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS A SANBORN OF THE HOUSE. THE ADDRESS HAS CHANGED ON NORTH CHURCH STREET. QUITE A FEW TIMES, BUT IT'S THE ONE THAT SAYS 615. AND THEN HERE ARE JUST TWO PHOTOS OF THE HOME FROM THE NOT SO DISTANT PAST. ON THE LEFT YOU'LL SEE 2005, AND THE RIGHT IS 2015. AND THEN THESE ARE SOME CURRENT ELEVATIONS. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNERS AND FOUND THAT IT MEETS THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM FOR A HISTORIC MARKER. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION FOR THE MARKER APPLICATION OF 801 NORTH CHURCH. THANK YOU. NANCY. DO DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASSIE? I HAVE A QUESTION. HAS THE PRIORITY PRESERVATION PRIORITY CHANGED AT ALL ON THE HOUSE? IT HAS NOT. 
          IT'S STILL ME. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MEDIUM. I WAS SURPRISED BY THAT. ALSO THAT IT WAS MEDIUM. 
          DO YOU KNOW? IS IT WHAT IS IT THAT KEPT THAT FROM BEING A HIGH? YOU. YEAH. JUST FROM LOOKING AT IT, MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT IT'S A MEDIUM PRIORITY BECAUSE IT IS IT'S INDICATIVE OF THE STYLE. BUT THIS ISN'T A SUPER RARE STYLE TO HAVE. OKAY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASSIE? OKAY, I KNOW, I SEE THAT ONE OF THAT BARBARA IS HERE. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND PRESENT TO US AND JUST. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU JUST JUST TALK, OKAY? YEAH. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE LOVE, LOVE THIS HOUSE. WE PREVIOUSLY OWNED 201 NORTH WADDELL, WHICH IS THE CORNER OF WADDELL AND VIRGINIA. 
          AND WE FIXED THAT ONE UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT DIDN'T NEED A LOT OF WORK. THIS HOUSE NEEDED A LOT OF WORK. AND SO WE WERE REALLY EXCITED WHEN IT WAS ON THE MARKET TO FIND THAT THE ORIGINAL FLOORS WERE UNDER THE WALL TO WALL CARPETING AND ALL OF THAT WOOD SIDING THAT YOU SEE THERE HAD BEEN COVERED WITH METAL SIDING. AND SO WE WERE AGAIN, VERY HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE TOOK DOWN THE METAL, THE WOOD WAS ACTUALLY IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. THERE HAD BEEN A FIRE IN THE HOUSE. WE LEARNED IN LIKE 1986. SO THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THERE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY INSULATION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOUR BY FOURS AND THE METAL SIDING. 
          SO WE DID ADD MATCHING WOOD ON THE BACK SO THAT IT WAS RETURNED TO WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. SO YEAH, IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A REALLY FUN PROJECT. THE CHIMNEY WAS ALSO REALLY INTERESTING. SO THE, THE FIREPLACE IS EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS, BUT IT HAD SUNKEN AND WE HAD MCKINNEY CHIMNEY COMPANY OR WHOEVER THEY WERE CAME OUT AND THEY HAD TO REBUILD THE ENTIRE THING. SO WE LEFT IT THERE AND JUST PUT IN THE STEEL LINER, ADDED BRICK THAT WE SALVAGED FROM FROM DALLAS. AND SO WE WERE IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US TO JUST RETURN IT TO WHAT IT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY. AND THANKFULLY, THE CADERAS KEPT REALLY GOOD AND TOOK REALLY GOOD CARE OF IT. 
          THEY PRESERVED IT IN A LOT OF WAYS BY KIND OF COVERING IT ALL UP INSIDE AND OUT. BUT YEAH, NO, 
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WE WE'VE HAD SUCH A GOOD TIME RESTORING IT AND THERE'S STILL WORK TO BE DONE FOR SURE. THE, THE, THE FLOORS ARE KIND OF GETTING WONKY AGAIN AND THE, THE DRYWALL IS GETTING ALL CRACKED. 
          BUT THAT'S PART OF THE FUN OF LIVING THERE. BUT BUT YEAH, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT LEGACY PECAN TREE THERE IN THE BACKYARD. WE CAN SEE ON THAT LEFT I CAN OF IT ACTUALLY. SO WE HAD AN ARBORIST COME OUT AND HE ESTIMATED IT AT 100 OR 110 YEARS OLD. IT IS IT IS MASSIVE AND IT GOES COMPLETELY ACROSS THE ALLEY AND HALFWAY, ALMOST TOUCHING OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. SO WE ARE THANKFULLY, WE GET ALONG WELL WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. SO WE'RE KEEPING KEEP IN CONTROL OF THAT TREE. BUT IT IS MASSIVE. AND THE PECANS, JUST LIKE PELT EVERYTHING DOWN BELOW. EVEN THE DOG EATS THE PECANS ACTUALLY. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY SPECIAL TREE IS WHAT WE WERE TOLD THAT IT'S A VERY HEALTHY ACTUALLY. THERE IS WE'VE DISCOVERED A WELL AT THE BASE OF THE TREE, WHICH WAS REALLY INTERESTING. SO WE JUST FILLED THAT IN NOT TOO LONG AGO. THAT WAS DISCOVERED. WE WERE TRYING TO DO SOME LANDSCAPING, BUT YEAH, IT'S A IT'S A REALLY NEAT OLD HOUSE. THERE'S SOME GHOST STORIES. I THINK THEY'RE DOCUMENTED IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET. SO IF YOU NEED A LITTLE LIGHT READING THERE'S SOME REALLY INTERESTING STUFF IN THERE. BUT THE NEIGHBOR TOLD US WE HAD GHOSTS WITH TOP HATS. SO THAT'S I'LL TAKE A DAPPER GHOST ANY DAY. SO YEAH, BUT NO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING OUR APPLICATION. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO COMMEND THE AUTHORS OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT. A LOT OF RESEARCH WENT INTO THAT AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. 
          YEAH. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW TOM MCKERROW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HE HAS DONE THIS FOR A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS AND HE IS SO THOROUGH. AND YEAH, IT'S A REAL TREASURE TO KNOW THE HISTORY OF WHERE YOU LIVE. YEAH, VERY GOOD. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR. SO MOVED. MOVED BY MR. MCWILLIAMS, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. 
          SECOND BY MISS BRIER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? 
          [Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by David Kelly for Approval of a Historic Marker Level Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption (Level I) for the Property Located at 801 N Church Street]
OKAY. MOTION'S PASSED. ITEM NUMBER H, P20240062. CONSIDER. DISCUSS. ACT ON A REQUEST BY DAVID KELLY FOR APPROVAL OF A HISTORIC MARKER LEVEL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION. LEVEL ONE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 801 NORTH CHURCH STREET. CASSIE BUMGARNER WILL MAKE THAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO NOW THAT WE'VE MADE THIS A HISTORIC MARKER, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REQUEST. SO AGAIN, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1917, IN THE AMERICAN FOURSQUARE STYLE. AND IN THE 2023 SURVEY, IT WAS DEEMED A MEDIUM PRIORITY HOME. THE CRITERIA FOR THE LEVEL ONE, THE HISTORIC MARKER INCENTIVE, REQUIRES THAT THE PROPERTY HAS RECEIVED A HISTORIC MARKER DESIGNATION PURSUANT TO THE HISTORIC MARKER PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH IT JUST RECEIVED. AND THEN THE OTHER REQUIREMENT OF THE INCENTIVE IS A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $10,000 IN BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY, DEMONSTRATED WITHIN AT LEAST THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE INCENTIVE REQUEST. THE STAFF REPORT AND THE APPLICATION HAVE THE DETAILED INVOICES AS WELL AS ESTIMATES, WHICH TOTALED OVER 10,000 FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED COMPLETE REROOFING ON THE RESIDENCE, WHICH WAS IN EXCESS OF 20,000. SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUESTS BY THE HOMEOWNERS, BARBARA AND DAVID KELLY, AND FOUND THAT IT MEETS THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM FOR THE HISTORIC MARKER INCENTIVE. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CASSIE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CASSIE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU WANT BARBARA? DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SAY SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT. I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH MORE TO SAY, BUT I WOULD SAY, OBVIOUSLY, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S STILL SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. SO OBVIOUSLY THE TAX PROGRAM IS A GREAT BENEFIT. WE GOT IT ON THEIR LAST HOUSE AND IT OBVIOUSLY ALLOWED US TO DO A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE FOUNDATION DEFINITELY NEEDS SOME WORK AND A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE JUST KIND OF PHASE. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO OUR VERY BEST TO RESTORE AND MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AS IT SHOULD BE. SO THIS WOULD BE A HUGE I KNOW WHEN Y'ALL BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, THAT IT. HOW LONG BEFORE YOU MOVED INTO THE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU DID A LOT OF WORK, RIGHT? WE DID. YEAH. SO IT ACTUALLY WENT PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY MOVE ANY WALLS. WE DID. IT WAS MOSTLY COSMETIC UPDATES. WE DID ADD A BATHROOM, BUT IT WAS ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MONTHS FROM THE TIME THAT WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE. SO WE MOVED IN. IT HELPED THAT WE 
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GOT TO STAY IN OUR OTHER HOUSE AND THEN LIVE WITH MY IN-LAWS FOR ABOUT A MONTH SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO LIVE AMONGST THE WORK. SO THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. AND WE HAD ACTUALLY, I THINK, SUBMITTED THIS APPLICATION SHORTLY, MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO, AND WE HAD NOT DONE ALL OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THE PAPERWORK, ON THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, ON THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH WE NOW HAVE. AND SO WE RESUBMITTED THAT. SO THE, THE RECEIPTS AND INVOICES AND THINGS IN THIS PACKAGE ARE MINIMAL COMPARED TO WHAT WAS IN THAT FIRST PACKAGE, JUST BECAUSE THAT REPRESENTED ALL OF THAT INITIAL WORK. BUT IT ALSO DEMONSTRATES THE NEED TO KEEP IMPROVING OVER TIME. SO YEAH, WE DID DO A LOT OF WORK. YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          Y'ALL HAVE DONE A YOU'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB. THANK YOU. WE FINALLY IT'S REALLY THIS IS FUN. 
          I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN THAT 2005 PICTURE BEFORE. SO IT'S FUN TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL. AND WE YOU KNOW THE GARAGE IS STILL BACK THERE AS WELL. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WAS PUT IN EXACTLY. BUT WE KEPT THAT JUST WHERE IT IS AS WELL. SO YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU BARBARA. THANK YOU MA'AM OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTION. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE OKAY. BY MR. MCWILLIAMS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY MISS PRIOR ROBERTSON? PRIOR. OKAY. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION PASSES. 
          [Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Barratt Properties, LLC for a Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition of a Building Located at 311 S Kentucky Street]
ALL RIGHT. ON TO ITEM NUMBER H, P2024. DASH 0057. CONSIDER. DISCUSS. ACT ON A REQUEST BY BARRETT PROPERTIES, LLC FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING LOCATED AT 311 SOUTH KENTUCKY STREET. CASSIE BUMGARNER WILL MAKE THAT PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST FOR THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF 311 SOUTH KENTUCKY. AND THIS IS A RETURNING PROJECT. SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN SOME OF THESE PHOTOS BEFORE, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO BACK OVER IT. 311 SOUTH KENTUCKY STREET WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1900, IN THE FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE AND WAS GIVEN A MEDIUM PRIORITY RATING IN 2023. A MEDIUM PRIORITY RATING CAN CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY, BUT HAVE ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE DIMINISHED THE RESOURCES, INTEGRITY OR BEING ANNOUNCED, OR BE AN OUTSTANDING EXAMPLE OF A COMMON LOCAL BUILDING FORM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR TYPE. THE APPLICANT INCLUDED TWO DOCUMENTS IN THEIR SUBMITTAL ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY. THE FIRST INCLUDED ON THE SLIDE HERE WAS A NOTE FROM CUNNINGHAM HOUSE MOVERS THAT STATED THAT THE PROPERTY HAD NO VALUE TO MOVE. ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKET IS THE FIELD OBSERVATION REPORT FROM DBA ARCHITECTS THAT NOTES STRUCTURAL DAMAGE AND RACKING. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE GOING TO HAVE EXTERIOR PHOTOS OF THE HOME, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY STAFF IN AUGUST 2022. HOWEVER, THAT APPROVAL EXPIRED. THEN, IN MAY OF 2024, THE APPLICATION OR THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A NEW COA FOR DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS FORWARDED TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION. THE BOARD DENIED THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION 7 TO 0 ZERO. THE APPLICANT THEN APPEALED THAT DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WAS HEARD ON JUNE 18TH, 2024. AT THAT TIME, CITY COUNCIL DECIDED OR DETERMINED THAT THE DECISION OF THE HP-IB SHOULD BE AFFIRMED AND DENIED. THE APPEAL. SO THE BOARD HAS FOUR OPTIONS FOR THIS APPLICATION. APPROVE. APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, DENIAL OR ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY AT THE END OF THE 90 DAY DELAY, A COA FOR DEMOLITION WOULD BE ISSUED. A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. OKAY, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. CASSIE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR CASSIE AT THIS POINT? YEAH. CASSIE, HAS THIS PROPERTY HAD ANY CHANGE IN PRIORITY? JUST THE SAME QUESTION. THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY CHANGE IN PRIORITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY BACK IN BEFORE THIS LAST ONE, IT WAS STILL A MEDIUM. IT WAS LISTED AS A MEDIUM. THE 2015. YES. OKAY. OKAY. WAS WAS THE HOUSE OCCUPIED IN 2015. THE PHOTO THAT SHOWS 2015. WAS IT OCCUPIED THAT? I BELIEVE IT WAS STILL BEING USED AS STORAGE. ACCORDING TO THE LETTER OF INTENT, THE APPLICANT'S LETTER OF INTENT HAS THAT IT WAS USED AS STORAGE FOR THE SURREY HOUSE FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. AND ALSO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE. I THINK IT'S THE NORTHEAST FACADE. THERE'S SOME TRIM AROUND 
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THE GABLES OF THE ROOF. DO YOU KNOW IF THAT WAS ORIGINAL OR SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT UP THAT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT? OKAY. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. IS THE HOUSE ZONED RESIDENTIAL? RIGHT NOW? YEAH. THIS THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER FORM BASED ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A RANGE OF USES. I BELIEVE THAT SINGLE FAMILY WOULD BE PERMITTED. GOT IT. YES. 
          CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE. IF WE DENIED AGAIN TONIGHT, THE 90 DAYS? AND THEN CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT? SO THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO. YOU COULD EITHER JUST DENY THE APPLICATION, WHICH IS WHAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY A 90 DAY DEMOLITION DELAY. JUST MEANS THAT THERE WOULD BE A 90 DAY PAUSE BEFORE THEY COULD DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY. COULD YOU TELL ME THE ADVANTAGE TO THAT? YEAH. SO USUALLY WITHIN THE 90 DAYS, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS EITHER ANOTHER INTERESTED BUYER, SEE IF THEY CAN FIND A WAY TO MOVE IT, THAT SORT OF THING. IS IT FAIR TO ASK WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH THAT PROPERTY OR. I MEAN, IS SOMETHING GOING TO REPLACE THE STRUCTURE? SO THE APPLICATION IS JUST FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. DON'T GO FAR CASSIE, BECAUSE I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MOR. BUT WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. AND IF THAT WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO COME UP AND JUST PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME. THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE BLOCK WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, THE ONE THAT HAD THE STAR ON IT, I DON'T, BUT IT'S IN THEIR PACKET. IN THEIR PACKET OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. GOOD EVENING CHAIRPERSON AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. I'M BOB ROEDER. I'M AN ATTORNEY HERE IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS, AND I REPRESENT THE BARRETTS IN THIS APPLICATION. AS CASSIE MENTIONED, THIS IS OUR THIRD TIME AROUND WITH THIS. THE FIRST TIME AROUND, WE WENT ONLY TO THE. WE WERE ONLY REQUIRED TO GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. WE RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOLISH THIS STRUCTURE. 
          SECOND TIME AROUND, WE CAME TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. WE WERE DIRECTED TO COME TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. WE CAME HERE WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOUR HPO THAT THE COA BE ISSUED FOR DEMOLITION. THAT WAS DENIED. NOW, I WANT TO PUT SOME CONTEXT AS TO WHY WE'RE HERE AND GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND IN YOUR PACKET THAT CASSIE SENT OUT. 
          THERE IS A PAGE THAT HAS A BLOCK WITH ALL THE LOTS ON THE BLOCK SHOWN. IT'S NOT IN HER SLIDE PRESENTATION. IF YOU HAVE THAT, I WOULD ASK YOU TO TURN TO THAT. IT'S A PAGE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS WITH A STAR ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WELL, HI, CAITLIN, HOW ARE YOU? I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN MONTHS. ONE OF MY FAVORITES RIGHT HERE. MAKE SURE YOU PUSH THE RIGHT BUTTONS. I WILL TRY, OKAY? I THINK IT'S REALLY TOWARDS THE END. SORT OF. BUT. 
          THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE. THAT'S IT. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. WE'RE FACING WE HAVE NORTH TO THE TOP NOW. THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WE HAD WE BROUGHT FIVE PROJECTS. ACTUALLY SIX ONE WAS NOT A HISTORIC PROJECT, BUT WE BROUGHT FIVE REQUESTS FOR COAS TO YOU. WE REQUESTED COA TO ALLOW US TO MOVE THE SURREY HOUSE DOWN TO THE SOUTH END OF THE BLOCK ON TENNESSEE STREET TO STANFORD. THERE ARE. THERE WERE THREE HISTORIC HOMES OR YOUR DEFINITION OF HISTORIC 301, 303 AND 305 THAT WE INCLUDED IN OUR REQUEST. AND THEN THIS PROPERTY HERE. I WISH I COULD I CAN USE 
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APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE HOUSE SO THAT THEY CAN DO THEIR PLANS. OKAY. WE LOOKED AT MOVING THE HOUSE THAT WAS OUR PRIMARY OPTION THERE, AND YOU HAVE SEEN THAT CUNNINGHAM AS WELL AS DBA HAVE SAID NOT REALLY. IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN. THE ROOF IS TOO TALL. THERE ARE LIMITATIONS AS YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN I, BECAUSE YOU YOU DEAL WITH THIS, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STRUCTURE BELOW A CERTAIN LEVEL TO PASS UNDER, I GUESS THE UNDERPASSES AND THE HIGH LINE WIRES AND THE TREES AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO, SO IT'S NOT A CANDIDATE TO BE RELOCATED, BUT I WILL THROW THIS OUT IF YOU'VE GOT A LOT YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN AND WE CAN GET IT THERE. 
          WE'VE GOT A DEAL FOR YOU. OKAY. SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS I THINK WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT REDEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY. THIS IS IN THE DOWNTOWN EDGE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH MEANS IT'S THE THREE STORY HEIGHT LIMITATION. UNLIKE THE NORTHERN PART, NOT INCLUDING THESE PROPERTIES. BUT IF 301, 303, THAT WAS PART OF THE DOWNTOWN CORE AND THE CEILING COULD BE, I THINK, AS MUCH AS FIVE STORIES. SO THIS HAS A THREE STORY LIMITATION. 
          BUT THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE HISTORIC ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN ZONING IS THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR OFF STREET PARKING. NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN Y'ALL GO DOWNTOWN ALL THE TIME. SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT DOWNTOWN NOW HAS BECOME A PEDESTRIAN LOCATION RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT A PEDESTRIAN LOCATION, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE I WANT TO GET OUT AND WALK IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER. IT'S A PEDESTRIAN LOCATION BECAUSE I AM FORCED TO BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE BARRETTS HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN MY PRESENCE AT LEAST, IS IF YOU DEVELOP THIS AREA DOWN HERE, THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE AN OFF STREET PARKING PLACE. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU LANDSCAPE EVERYTHING. THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN ORDINANCE IS VERY STRICT ON WHAT YOU CAN DO. AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT BUT THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS TO BE BETTER UTILIZED IF, IF THEY HAD THIS ADJACENCY HERE, IT MIGHT WELL BE THAT SOME OF THIS REMAINS WITH THE SURREY HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT IS, BUT THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO ALL OF THAT, TO THE, TO THE SOUTH. SO I SAY ALL THAT TO YOU, TO SAY WE'RE NOT HERE TO PICK OFF THESE HOUSES ONE AT A TIME. WE'RE HERE FOCUSED JUST ON THREE, 11. THE OTHER THING I WOULD TELL YOU IS YOUR ROLE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL BOARD ROLE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. YOU HAVE THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT HAS ENACTED A DOWNTOWN ORDINANCE THAT ENCOURAGES REDEVELOPMENT OF DOWNTOWN. AND THE REASON I DO THAT IS THAT THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE RESIDING DOWN THERE, THE MORE VIBRANT THE DOWNTOWN WILL BE. I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT OUR CONVERSATION TODAY, AND I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR FROM YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF MCKINNEY WOULD NOT BE WHAT IT IS TODAY WITHOUT THE VIBRANCY OF THE DOWNTOWN, WITHOUT THE EATERIES, THE DRINKERS, THE RETAIL SERVICES, THE OFFICE OPPORTUNITIES, I DOUBT THAT WE WOULD SEE THE LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THE REHABILITATION AND PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND PAYING THE PRICES THAT HAVE GOTTEN PRETTY, PRETTY HIGH. IF DOWNTOWN WAS WHAT IT WAS. WHEN I CAME HERE IN 1974, WHICH WAS BASICALLY A BOARDED UP DOWNTOWN, JAMES WAS HERE. BETTY GREW UP HERE, YOU KNOW, SO THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND THEY HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN. BUT THAT CHANGE IS BASED UPON THE VIBRANCY OF WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN HERE. NOW, AS THIS BUILDING STANDS TODAY, AS THIS STRUCTURE STANDS TODAY, IT IS REALLY NOTHING MORE THAN A MOVIE PROP. IT'S NOT A HOUSE. NOBODY LIVES IN IT. IT LOOKS GOOD FROM THE STREET. BUT IS THAT A REASON TO KEEP IT? YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE DOWNTOWNS AND WE'VE SEEN OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE TRIED TO DO THIS OTHER TOWNS. RIGHT. THEY'VE TRIED TO CREATE THEIR OWN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. SO THEY BUILT THESE STRUCTURES THAT ARE BASICALLY MOVIE SET FACADES, AND THEY DON'T GET WHERE MCKINNEY IS. SO THAT HOUSE SITTING THERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY KEEP THE FACADE VERY NICE, DOESN'T REALLY ADD TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S A MEDIUM PRIORITY, AS I UNDERSTAND 
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IT, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT HAS ELEMENTS OF THAT ORIGINAL TYPE. BUT I ALSO REMEMBER HEARING DURING THE PRESENTATION OF YOUR LAST SURVEY BY THE BY YOUR THIRD PARTY THAT DID IT, THAT THIS PARTICULAR STYLE IS ONE THAT'S REPLICATED MANY, MANY TIMES IN THE CITY. IT IS NOT ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE STYLES THAT IF IT WENT AWAY, YOU'D LOSE THAT HISTORIC TYPE OF STRUCTURE IN YOUR TOWN. 
          SO I GUESS MY SOLICITATION TO YOU TODAY IS GIVE US A COA. LET US TAKE THAT HOUSE DOWN. LET US REDEVELOP THE REST OF THAT PROPERTY AND DO SOMETHING THAT SUPPORTS THE DOWNTOWN. THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT WE CAN DO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO PUT A BUNCH OF JUMP HOUSES DOWN THERE OR, YOU KNOW, CAR LOTS AND STUFF. SO I THINK THE CITY HAS TAKEN A LOT OF TIME TO PUT, PUT IN PLACE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS TO MAKE THAT A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT. WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE. AND IT COULD BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS INDIVIDUAL BROWNSTONES. PARDON ME, IT COULD BE A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT. THERE ARE A LOT OF USES THAT COULD GO THERE, BUT THAT WHATEVER GOES THERE HAS GOT TO MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE BECAUSE NEW DOLLARS ARE GOING INTO IT. 
          SO I DOUBT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SO OUT OF CHARACTER WITH WHAT GOES IN THERE AS TO NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. SO LET ME STOP THERE AND SIMPLY SAY, WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS THE COA TO BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROEDER? IT'S BOB. BOB, BOB. MR. ROEDER, FIRST RULE. OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. YOU WERE HERE FOR US TO. YOU WITNESSED US TO GIVE A HISTORICAL MARKER AND A TAX ABATEMENT TO ANOTHER MEDIUM. SIGNIFICANT HOUSE. SO I THINK YOU KNOW THAT WE CHERISH THOSE JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO THE HERD HOUSE. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID, I'M SURE YOU DON'T. WANT THAT. 
          BUT THIS IS THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD. AND YOU MENTIONED MCKINNEY BEING BOARDED UP FOR SOME TIME. I WAS HERE FOR THAT, TOO. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PUT THEIR ABSOLUTE HEART AND SOUL IN EVERY PENNY THEY HAD INTO THAT. NOT BECAUSE IT WASN'T EASY, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS HARD. AND, AND I, I THINK YOU'RE SLIGHTING THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT A LITTLE BIT WITH YOUR COMMENTS TOWARD THE VALUE OF THIS HOUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU'D LIKE US TO VOTE. WELL, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SLIGHT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR THE VALUE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. YOU'RE I WANT TO I'M NOT MEANING TO OFFEND ANYBODY, BUT YOUR YOUR RULES SAY IF SOMETHING IS 50 YEARS OLD, IT'S HISTORIC. 50 YEARS OLD. I PASSED THAT MARK A LONG TIME AGO. AND THE SOME OF THE HOUSES I MOVED INTO 50 YEARS AGO ARE NOW HISTORIC. WELL, THAT WAS A FOX AND JACOBS HOUSE. I FIND LITTLE TO BE HISTORIC ABOUT A FOX AND JACOBS HOUSE, EXCEPT IT'S 50 YEARS OLD NOW. I'M NOT COMPARING THIS TO A FOX AND JACOBS HOUSE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU. IF I WERE TO LOOK AT THE MANDATES YOU HAVE UNDER THE STATUTE, UNDER THE CITY'S ORDINANCE, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THAT YOU HAVE A BINARY DECISION. IT'S EITHER HISTORIC OR IT'S NOT. IF IT'S HISTORIC, WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT IT. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THAT YOUR ROLE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, IN MY OPINION, IN THAT YOU'VE GOT TO WORK WITH OR YOU SHOULD OR I ENCOURAGE YOU TO, NOT THAT YOU SHOULD OR YOU GOT TO. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A FAMILY LIVING IN THAT HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO FREQUENT GROCERY STORE. IF WE EVER GET ONE DOWNTOWN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO 
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HAVE A FAMILY IN THAT HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO GO SHOP IN THE SHOPS DOWNTOWN. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS A MOVIE PROP. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THAT'S REDEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING THAT EITHER HAS RESIDENCES WITH IT OR ATTRACTS PEOPLE TO DOWNTOWN, THEN EVERYBODY'S BOAT IS BEING LIFTED, INCLUDING THE MERCHANTS DOWNTOWN, THE CITY'S TAX BASE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO TO ME, THERE'S A THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP THERE THAT WE CAN'T OVERLOOK, SHOULDN'T OVERLOOK. BUT AGAIN, I GET IT. I KNOW, I KNOW, IT'S HISTORIC. YOU'RE OUT TO PRESERVE HISTORIC. BUT TO ME THERE'S A BALANCE THERE. SORRY, MR. BURRIS, FOR THAT LONG RESPONSE. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND TALKING TO US. I YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO KIND OF GO OFF WHAT JIMMY DON SAID IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MISSION, IF YOU LOOK AT HBHB MISSION, IT'S MAINTAINED MCKINNEY'S DIVERSE ARCHITECTURAL LEGACY ENRICH THE CULTURAL IDENTITY OF THE COMMUNITY AND STRENGTHEN ECONOMIC VALUE THROUGH PRESERVATION AND EDUCATION. AND SO THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SITTING ON THIS BOARD, I TRY TO REMEMBER WHAT OUR MISSION IS, AND IT'S NOT MY JOB TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE. I'M HERE TO LOOK AT EACH STRUCTURE. HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND SAY, DOES IT ADD VALUE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? DOES IT KEEP THE CULTURE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS HOUSE, AND I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU THAT I THINK IT DOES. AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE I THINK OUR ROLE IS TO TRY TO LOOK AT THE CITY ORDINANCES AND TRY TO UPHOLD THOSE. WELL, THEY KIND OF DIRECT YOU TO THE SECRETARY'S STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT'S PRESERVE, REHABILITATE, RESTORE AND RECONSTRUCT. WELL, THAT'S NOT THAT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THAT. SO THEN I'M JUST TELLING YOU THE STEPS THAT I HAVE LOOKED AT TODAY. THEN I GO TO DEMOLITION AND I SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'VE GOT THREE TYPES OF DEMOLITION. WE'VE GOT HARDSHIP. 
          I DON'T THINK WE WE'VE GOT DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE BECAUSE THIS HOUSE, IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. AND THEN WE'VE JUST GOT DEMOLITION. SO THEN WE GO UNDER AND WE LOOK AT THE CONSIDERATION FACTORS FOR DEMOLITION. AND I DON'T SEE HOW THAT APPLIES. I DON'T SEE YOU KNOW, IS THE PROPERTY INCAPABLE OF EARNING A REASONABLE RETURN? I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE THAT THAT I SEE THAT EFFORTS TO FIND A PURCHASER INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY AND PRESERVING IT HAVE FAILED. I DON'T I HAVEN'T I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN IN WHAT I, WHAT I READ. AND SO I REALLY HAVE I'VE LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOKED AT THIS IN MAY AND I FELT THE SAME WAY THEN THAT I DO NOW THAT IT IT IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND IT'S NOT MY JOB TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THAT AREA. BUT I FEEL LIKE AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, IT'S MY JOB TO TRY TO PRESERVE IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT. AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I THAT'S I JUST FEEL REAL STRONG ABOUT WHAT WE DO. WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD. AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THE PROCESS AND I DON'T KNOW, CARRIE, IF YOU'RE THE PROCESS CHANGED, THE PROCESS CHANGED AFTER THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY WERE GRANTED IN THE PROCESS CHANGED. AND WE WERE PLACED IN THE PROCESS. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WE HAVE A COUNCIL THAT RECOGNIZES THIS BOARD, AS YOU KNOW, BENEFICIAL TO MAYBE IF IT'S A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, WE SHOULD TAKE OUR TIME IN FIGURING OUT CAN WE SAVE IT? CAN WE SAVE EVERYTHING? ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT SITTING ON THIS BOARD, IT IS YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHY COUNCIL PUT US IN THAT PROCESS. AND I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THEY REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS TO THIS COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE PUT US ON THIS BOARD. AND I, I NOTICE I KNOW THAT IN THE LETTER IT SAID THAT YOU HAD PROFESSIONALS, WHICH WE DO HAVE EXPERTS, WE HAVE HISTORIC EXPERTS THAT MAY BE SUPPORTED THAT AND BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT WHEN YOU WHEN IT'S A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, NOT ONLY DO WE NEED CASSIE, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT WE NEED PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY TO KIND OF WEIGH IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS DO WE NEED TO TRY TO SAVE THIS? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. I THINK I THINK THE PROCESS WORKS AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AND I HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WHERE I'M COMING FROM AS A AS A 
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MEMBER OF THIS BOARD. SO I DON'T KNOW, I'M SORRY I TALKED TOO LONG, BUT I JUST I REALLY HAVE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS TODAY. AND, AND ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN OR I'M SORRY, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU AND JIMMY DON AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE COME TO THIS BOARD AND PRESENT THESE REQUESTS TO, TO BEAT THE TOPIC TO DEATH. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I, I DO APPRECIATE THE PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS AS THE BOARD. AND I THINK WE ALL TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY VERY SERIOUSLY. AND SO WE DON'T GO INTO A DECISION THAT WE MAKE LIGHTLY WITHOUT HAVING DEEPLY CONSIDERED IT. AND I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I, I JUST BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID AT ONE POINT THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT HERE TO PICK OFF THESE HOUSES, ONE AT A TIME. TO ME, IT KIND OF SEEMS THAT WAY BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS ALL TOGETHER. WE'RE BROUGHT BACK IN MAY AND THEN NOW WE'RE HERE WITH ONE, AND I CAN IMAGINE THAT IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST, WE WOULD SEE ANOTHER ONE SOON. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE EFFORTS BEING DONE TO, YOU KNOW, REVITALIZE THIS, THIS AREA. AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THE BARRETT FAMILY TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO OTHER OPTIONS THAT DON'T INCLUDE DEMOLISHING HISTORIC PROPERTIES. 
          HEARD SOME NARRATIVE ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR RETURN ECONOMIC RETURN ON THIS PROPERTY WITH ITS CURRENT USE AND. THAT SEEMS TO ME THAT SOME POSSIBILITIES FOR ALTERNATIVE USES FOR IT, LIKE MOVING IT, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE CONSIDERING WHAT WHAT IF ANY, IS THE IS THE RETURN THAT THE OWNER GETS FROM THIS PROPERTY. NOW, IS THERE ANY RETURN WHATSOEVER, WHETHER WHETHER TANGIBLE OR INTANGIBLE? IT'S A PRETTY BROAD QUESTION, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S USED AS PERHAPS A STAGING AREA. 
          DOES THAT DOES THAT CREATE ANY KIND OF POSITIVE ECONOMIC RETURN? NOT ON A STANDALONE BASIS. IT'S STRICTLY A STORAGE. AND STAGING IS PROBABLY A GOOD TERM FOR IT. AREA. IS THERE REPLACEMENT SPACE ON THE PROPERTY TO TAKE OVER THAT STORAGE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS? THIS PROPERTY OR CURRENTLY? WELL, TIM, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE HOUSE IN A WHILE. MY, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THAT THIS HOUSE IS SORT OF LIKE ONE OF MY CLOSETS AT HOME. I JUST PUT STUFF IN IT AND I NEVER TAKE STUFF OUT OF IT. AND IF I LOST EVERYTHING IN MY CLOSET, IT WOULDN'T MATTER. SO PROBABLY YOU COULD TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF THE STORAGE PART OF THIS HOUSE AND YOU WOULD NEVER MISS IT. YOU WOULDN'T NEED IT IN THE FUTURE. PARDON ME IF THIS IS OUT OF ORDER, BUT, CASSIE, COULD YOU EXPAND ANY ON THE BASIS FOR THE PRIORITY FOR THIS? FOR THIS PROPERTY, FOR ITS MEDIUM PRIORITY, ANYTHING BEYOND JUST ITS AGE? SO YOU'RE ASKING ESSENTIALLY WHAT GOES INTO THE MEDIUM PRIORITY? SO I CAN I TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT FOR THIS HOME IN PARTICULAR. LET ME GO BACK. SO THIS ONE IS LIKELY IT WAS CONSIDERED MEDIUM PRIORITY BECAUSE IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF COMMON LOCAL BUILDING FORM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR TYPE. IT HAS SOME ALTERATIONS THAT COULD DIMINISH ITS INTEGRITY, BUT ULTIMATELY IS STILL A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A TYPE WHICH IS FOLK VICTORIAN. DO YOU WANT TO TALK, CASSIE, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT GO INTO A PRIORITY RATING AND DESIGNATING A PROPERTY AS A CERTAIN PRIORITY IN THE HISTORIC NATURE? I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN AGE THRESHOLD, BUT ARE THERE OTHER FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT PRIORITY RATING? YES. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DESIGNATING A HOME THERE, THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT YOU LOOK AT. SO THERE ARE WHAT'S CALLED SIGNIFICANCE. AND THEN THERE'S WHAT'S CALLED INTEGRITY. A PROPERTY BEING 50 YEARS OR OLDER IS KIND OF JUST THE THRESHOLD. SO THAT'S THE BASIS NOW. THEN YOU LOOK AT SIGNIFICANCE. SO IS IT IMPORTANT. DOES IT HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE AREA ARCHITECTURE OR ARCHEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE, ANY OF THOSE KIND OF FACTORS. SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANCE. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MOST OF THE ONES IN MCKINNEY ARCHITECTURALLY THEY HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANCE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT INTEGRITY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY HOW MUCH HAS IT CHANGED SINCE IT WAS BUILT. AND THAT'S CHANGE IN 
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LOCATION, CHANGE IN DESIGN. DOES IT STILL HAVE THE FEELING? DOES IT HAVE THE MATERIALS OF THE PAST? ANY OF THAT SORT OF THING? AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER, THAT'S KIND OF HOW YOU COME UP WITH A PRIORITY. SO WE DON'T HAVE SORRY, I FEEL LIKE I JUST YELLED THE REPORT, THE HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY, DOES IT DETAIL INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT PUT THIS HOUSE AT MEDIUM? NO. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU DO A ARCHITECTURAL SURVEY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE 6000 PROPERTIES, YOU GO THROUGH AND THE SURVEYOR IS MAKING THAT DECISION AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS THE PRIORITY RATING. OKAY. I THINK THE INCAPABILITY OF THIS PROPERTY TO EARN ANY KIND OF REASONABLE RETURN IS SIGNIFICANT FACTOR HERE. I THINK IT IS. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SAY OR DO ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR DO WE HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS? BOB OR CASSIE? JAMES A PENNY FOR YOUR THOUGHTS. WE ALL HAVE A COMMITMENT. THE COMMITMENT IS BASED UPON OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE WITHIN THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT. THOSE CONTEXTS SEEM TO BE CLOUDED NOT ONLY BY THE FACT THAT OUR PLANNING DOES NOT ANTICIPATE HISTORICAL REUSE IN THAT AREA, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW WAYS IN WHICH AWKWARD SITUATIONS LIKE THE SLOPE OF THE LAND MIGHT BE BETTER UTILIZED, OR THE WAYS IN WHICH THE PROPERTY MIGHT BE BETTER PRESENTED. FROM A POINT OF VIEW OF RESTORATION, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE HOUSE AT THE CORNER OF BOARD AND BENGE WAS SCHEDULED FOR DEMOLITION, AND IT WAS TWO WEEKS FROM THAT OCCASIO. YET THIS LAST CHRISTMAS IT WAS ON THE CHRISTMAS TOUR AS ONE OF THE MOST OUTSTANDING OF RESTORATIONS IN MCKINNEY. SO WHAT IS REAL AND WHAT IS NOT? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME. I'M NOTORIOUS FOR SEEING BENEFIT IN EVERY SITUATION, AND I THINK MR. ROEDER HAS BROUGHT OUT GOOD POINTS TONIGHT ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE, THE REMEDY FOR SUCH A SITUATION IS INVESTMENT. AND THE QUESTION AT HAND IS WILL INVESTMENT OCCUR IF WE SUPPORT ITS RESTORATION RATHER THAN ITS DEMOLITION? I'M GIVING YOU MORE THAN A PENNY, RIGHT HERE. THE POINT OF IT IS, I'VE NEVER SEEN A STRUCTURE THAT CAN'T BE RESTORED. I'VE NEVER SEEN A STRUCTURE THAT CAN'T BE REUSED YET I'VE NEVER SEEN A STRUCTURE THAT CAN BE RESTORED AND REUSED IF THERE ISN'T A COMMITMENT BY SOMEONE TO DO IT AS AS YOU HAVE SAID, SIR, AND I THINK THE SILENCE IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE FACING HERE. HOW TO SEE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE TO SEE THE COMMUNITY PROSPER. WE'VE SEEN ENTIRELY TOO MANY STRUCTURES TORN AWAY, BE SEEN ENTIRELY TOO MANY. IF YOU FORGIVE ME. INAPPROPRIATE STRUCTURES BUILT IN IN THEIR PLACES, IN MY PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL OPINION. AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY MUCH ANIMATED. IN THE LAST REVIEW, WE HAD ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK THE ANIMATION IS VERY CLEAR SUPPORT FOR RESTORATION. AS BETTY HAS SAID, AND I CAN'T OVERLOOK THAT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, I HAVE COMPASSION ON THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO SEE IT BETTER. USED THE TWO THINGS THAT I SEE IN ITS DISFAVOR NOT THE STRUCTURE, BUT THE TWO THINGS I SEE IN ITS DISFAVOR IS THE LACK OF A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR KENTUCKY STREET THAT SHOWS THE SIDE OF THE EAST OF THE WEST SIDE OF KENTUCKY, AND IN ITS DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE, IN COMPARABLE COMPARABLE FORM. THE OTHER THING IS THE SLOPE. MR. ROEDER MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING A BROWNSTONE THERE, AND I CAN VERY WELL SEE A BROWNSTONE WITH A LOWER PARKING STRUCTURE AND AN UPPER TOWNHOME ABOVE IT. NOW, WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE TO MCKINNEY? THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. THAT'S ANOTHER VIEW, AND I CAN RAMBLE ON ON THAT FOR ALL NIGHT LONG, BUT I WON'T DO IT FOR YOUR BENEFIT. SO I'M EQUALLY OUT ON THE LIMB ON THIS TO SAY I WANT TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY PROSPER. I WANT TO SEE EVERY INVESTOR BENEFIT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO SEE IN THE FACE OF 
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RAPID DEMOLITION, AS WE SAW IN SOUTH CHURCH STREET AND OTHER PLACES, I WANT TO SEE RESTORATION OCCUR. THAT'S WHY I'M SITTING ON THIS BOARD. THAT'S WHAT I PRACTICED FOR THE LAST HOW MANY YEARS, BETTY? AND SO THE POINT OF IT IS, YOU'RE ASKING ME, CAN IT BE DONE? YES. 
          IT CAN BE DONE. THE QUESTION I CAN'T ANSWER IS, WILL IT BE DONE? AND THAT INVOLVES THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WORKING WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY TO SEE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT PROPERTY. I'M REALLY AT THE SAME TIME WISHING TO HAVE A REVIEW OF THE PLANNING OF THAT AREA BY THE CITY STAFF, WHICH IS QUITE WELL EQUIPPED TO REVIEW THAT WITH CONSULTANTS TO SEE HOW A BETTER USE THAN A MULTI-STORY BUILDING MIGHT OCCUR. AS BOB SAID, THEY WALKED INTO THIS WITH THE COUNCIL NOT HAVING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE TOWN NEAR TOWN DEVELOPMENT AND SUDDENLY A MEGA BLOCK OCCURS ACROSS FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON KENTUCKY STREET. AND THAT'S WHAT GOT BACK UP ON MOST PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN WHEN THAT HAPPENED. SO YOU ASKED ME MY OPINION. I'VE GIVEN YOU MORE THAN A PENNY, AND YOU CAN TELL ME TO SHUT UP IF YOU WANT TO, BUT THE POINT I'M SAYING IS, LET'S BE VERY CAUTIOUS. WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND HAVING DONE OVER 300 OF THE OLD HOMES AND OVER 60 OF THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BUILDING THAT CAN'T BE RESTORED. IF THERE'S A WILL TO DO IT. AND I'M SAYING THAT FROM SOME PRETTY MISERABLE PROPERTIE. 
          I HAVE I TALK TOO MUCH. NO, YOU DID, YOU DID. YOU SAID YOUR TIME IS UP. WE DID GOOD. OKAY. WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR MORE DISCUSSION OR. I SEE AN ESTIMATE FOR MOVING THE STRUCTURE. DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR REHABILITATION? HAS THAT BEEN SORT. OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE REQUEST. THE REQUEST TO, TO DEMOLITION THIS BUILDING, THIS HOUSE. SECOND, SECOND BOMB. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HANDS. KEEP YOUR HANDS UP REAL HIGH. OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE. OKAY. I THINK I'M AT THAT RIGHT NOW, AREN'T I? YEP. YOU GOT IT. OKAY, OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS? NOT ON THE AGENDA AND WE HAVE NONE. OKAY. DO THE BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF 
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HAVE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS? ANYBODY? OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. SORRY, I KNOW I NORMALLY MAKE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM MY SEAT, BUT I THOUGHT THIS ONE DESERVED THE PODIUM. SO AS YOU KNOW, WE LOST PAULA NASTA AS OUR PLANNING MANAGER BACK IN THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR. AND SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH A GRUELING OUTREACH AND HIRING PROCESS. AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT CASSIE BUMGARDNER, BEHIND MY LEFT SHOULDER OVER HERE WILL OFFICIALLY BEGIN IN THAT NEW ROLE AS OUR PLANNING MANAGER ON MONDAY. SO A FAMILIAR FACE. SHE HAD NO IDEA I WAS GOING TO DO THIS BY THE WAY, BUT WE'VE GONE THROUGH TWO ROUNDS OF POSTING AND INTERVIEWS. CASSIE'S BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR TWO YEARS NOW. PRIOR TO BEING WITH MCKINNEY, SHE SPENT FOUR YEARS IN FORT COLLINS. IS THAT RIGHT? COLORADO. SO A LOT OF PASSION BEHIND THE WORK THAT HAPPENS OUT OF THAT OFFICE. AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT CASSIE DOES IN THE NEW ROLE. SO WE WILL ACTUALLY STARTING ON MONDAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE POSTING FOR THE VACATED PLANNER POSITION THAT CASSIE IS LEAVING BEHIND. BUT I WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT STEP FORWARD FOR THE TEAM AND FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAMS IN MCKINNEY. THIS IS THIS IS GREAT NEWS, CASSIE. THANK YOU. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. OKA. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOVE. OH, Y'ALL WANT TO STAY? MR. MCWILLIAMS, DO YOU HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY MISS ESCAMILLA? ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE ADJOURNED AT 631. NICE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE DID PRETTY
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