Dec 05, 2024 Historic Preservation Advisory Board

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5:34 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF DECEMBER 5TH, 2020. FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE ALL TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES, BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND AVOID OVERTALKING THE ISSUE. WE WANT TO ALL ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE

[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS (For Non-Public Hearing Items)]

[CONSENT ITEMS]

[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Dennis McGinty for Approval of a Rehabilitation Level Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption (Level II) for the Property Located at 1001 Coleman Street]

YEAH. THE RESTORATION SHOULD. IT SHOULD WORK. OKAY, FOLKS. SEPARATE YOU ON. NOW CLICK IT.

SIGN UP. 2.12. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO GOOD EVENING. BOARD MEMBERS. TONIGHT I AM GOING TO PRESENT ON THE REHABILITATION LEVEL TAX EXEMPTION REQUEST FOR 1001 COLEMAN STREET. THE HOMEOWNER, DENNIS MCKINNEY, COULD NOT BE PRESENT TONIGHT, BUT HE DID ASK ME TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION. THIS FOLK VICTORIAN HOME WAS BUILT CIRCA 1910 AND IS LISTED AS A HIGH PRIORITY HOME. THE HOMEOWNER HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS HAS EXEMPTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY, AND YOU'LL SEE THE 1985 PHOTO ON THE BOTTOM AS WELL AS THE 2015 PHOTO ON TOP. THE CRITERIA FOR A REHABILITATION LEVEL INCENTIVE REQUIRES THAT THE HOME BE AT LEAST 40 YEARS OF AGE, AND THIS ONE IS OVER 100 YEARS OLD. THE OWNER RECEIVED A LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY, WHICH THEY DID RECEIVE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, AND THEN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS FOLLOWING THAT LETTER THEY COMPLETE OR CAUSE TO BE COMPLETE THE VERIFIED ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS, HAVING A COMBINED COST OF AT LEAST $10,000. THE RECEIPTS HAVE BEEN VERIFIED THAT THE HOMEOWNER SPENT THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OVER THE LAST YEAR. THIS OVERALL PROJECT INCLUDED FOUNDATION, REPAIR AND A DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WHICH TOTALED $38,737. THESE ARE THE PHOTOS THAT WERE TAKEN FROM THE FOUNDATION BID THAT THEY RECEIVED BEFORE THE PROJECT BEGAN. AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUESTS BY THE HOMEOWNER AND FOUND THAT IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM FOR THE REHABILITATION LEVEL INCENTIVE, WHICH CARRIES A 50% EXEMPTION FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THIS IS A CHARMING LITTLE HOUSE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. YES. IT REALLY LOOKS NICE. THE ONE. WHAT STYLE? THIS IS VICTORIAN. IS THAT WHAT YOU

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TIM SECONDS THE MOTION. TAKE A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

OKAY. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO STAND THERE. CASSIE, I THINK SO. I'LL STAY OVER HERE. COME BACK UP AND

[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Paul Harrison on behalf of Owner Greg Curry for a Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition of the Detached Garage Located at 705 W Hunt Street]

AFTER. THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1935 AND IS LISTED IN THE 2023 HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY AS A MEDIUM PRIORITY, A MEDIUM PRIORITY RATING BUILDING CAN CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY, BUT HAS ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE DIMINISHED THE PROPERTY'S INTEGRITY. BOTH THE APPLICANT AND MYSELF HAVE DONE HISTORIC NEWSPAPER RESEARCH ON THE PROPERTY. THERE IS A HANDOUT AT EACH OF YOUR CHAIRS THAT GAVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SNIPPET OF THOSE HISTORIES THAT SHOWS THAT THE HOME WAS USED AS A PARSONAGE FOR MANY YEARS. THE FIRST MENTION OF A GARAGE THAT I COULD LOCATE WAS IN THE 1950S. THEN AGAIN, IT'S MENTIONED IN THE 2001 LISTING, WHICH TALKED ABOUT A GARAGE THAT WAS CONVERTED TO A WORKSHOP. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THIS DETACHED GARAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR DECK, AS WRITTEN IN THEIR LETTER OF INTENT. THEY'RE HOPING TO BUILD AN ADDITION AND A NEW TWO CAR GARAGE. AND THESE ARE JUST SOME CURRENT PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE STRUCTURE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE I'VE GIVEN AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION DATE OF 1935, SIMILAR TO THE CONSTRUCTION DATE OF THE HOME, THE SEARCH TO PINPOINT AN EXACT CONSTRUCTION DATE WAS INCONCLUSIVE. THE APPLICANTS ARE NOT SURE THAT THE GARAGE WAS THE HISTORIC GARAGE THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THAT 1955 ARTICLE IS THE ONE THAT IS ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEN HERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS.

BECAUSE THIS IS A GARAGE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS THAT ARE FOCUSED SOLELY ON THE GARAGE. SO I DID MY BEST TO EMPHASIZE THEM WITH THE RED. THE 2015 PHOTOS AT THE TOP, AND THEN THAT 1985 PHOTO IS TO THE RIGHT. THE PHOTO IS ACTUALLY OF 707 WEST HUNT, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE BACKGROUN. AND THEN THIS VERY BLURRY IMAGE IS TAKEN FROM THE GOOGLE IMAGES FROM 2007. I INCLUDED THIS TO SHOW THAT THE DETACHED GARAGE STRUCTURE, EVEN IF IT WAS THE HISTORIC GARAGE, IS NOW UP ON CONCRETE BLOCKS AND HAS A WOOD FLOOR. HISTORICALLY, GARAGES WERE BUILT, USUALLY WITHOUT A FOUNDATION AND WITHOUT A FLOOR, BUT WERE REPURPOSED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. HOWEVER, THIS WOULD LIKELY NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE AS A GARAGE AGAIN DUE TO BOTH THE SMALLER SIZE OF IT AND THE LARGER SIZE OF MODERN CARS. IN ADDITION TO THE OBVIOUS RAISED HEIGHT. SO THEN THE BOARD HAS FOUR OPTIONS FOR THIS APPLICATION. THEY CAN APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, DENY, OR ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY AT THE END OF A 90 DAY DELAY, THE CODE FOR DEMOLITION WOULD BE ISSUED. A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR A DEMOLITION. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE DETACHED GARAGE, WHILE THE HOME AS A PARSONAGE HAS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, THE DETACHED GARAGE IS NOT INTEGRAL TO THE STORY OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR KATHY? I HAVE A QUESTION IN THE APPLICATION. THE IT STATES THE LETTER OF INTENT STATES THAT WE'RE DEMOING THESE TWO ITEMS. AND THEN I KNOW HERE IN THIS PICTURE THERE'S TWO X'S THERE. SO WHAT IS THAT. IS THAT A DECK THAT'S INCLUDED. IT'S A DECK. OKAY. SO WE WOULD BE APPROVING BOTH OF THAT IN THIS IF WE DID. YES. OR DENYING OKAY. OKAY. YES. JUST CURIOUS.

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ALTHOUGH THE ONLY HOME THAT WE OWN, THAT'S PER SE IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT IS THIS NONE OF THE HOMES NOW ARE THERE THAT ARE BEING USED FOR ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN OUR OWN PURPOSE.

WE'RE LIVING IN 901 OAK. WE'RE REPURPOSING 701 OUT TO 901 OAK WAS BUILT IN 1903. WE BOUGHT THAT. THIS SUMMER TO LIVE IN WHILE WE REMODELED THIS HOUSE. WE WANT TO LIVE HERE AND RETIRE HERE. WE NEED A GARAGE. WE NEED A PLACE TO PARK. WE NEED A PLACE THAT'S SAFE FOR MY KIDS TO COME INTO. I CAN'T, I'M NOT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T PARK THREE FEET IN THE AIR AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS AT BEST FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, WAS POTENTIALLY RAISED, BUT I THINK IT WAS ALSO MOVED BECAUSE OUR BEST EVIDENCE OF WHERE THIS WAS LOCATED WAS IN THE HOME. THE PICTURE THAT YOU SAW EARLIER, WHERE THERE WAS THE FROM THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS IS THE DRIVEWAY WENT DOWN AND THEY SHARED A DRIVEWAY. AND THEN BOTH OF THEM HAD THEIR CARPORTS SLASH SHED, SLASH WHATEVER AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S OUR BEST GUESS, WHETHER THIS WAS THAT STRUCTURE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL GARAGE. I DON'T KNOW, THE DECK WAS ADDED PROBABLY. I THINK MOST LIKELY THERE WAS A REMODEL DONE. AND I KNOW THIS FROM LOOKING AT THE WEBSITE FROM THE BRITISH BUILDER DID A REMODEL ON THIS HOME AT THE PRIOR OWNER TO OUR PURCHASE. WE'VE OWNED IT SINCE 2010, ROUGHLY. AND IS THAT THAT THAT I THINK HE MAY HAVE ADDED THAT DECK SO THAT I THINK SOMEBODY ASKED WHEN WAS THAT ADDED OR WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

SO I THINK BEFORE IT WAS JUST DIRT. IT WAS USED BY THE PRIOR OWNER AS A AS A SHE HAD A KILN IN THERE, BUT THERE'S NO AIR CONDITIONING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S NO SIDING, THERE'S NO SHEETROCK. THERE'S THERE IS ONE LITTLE AREA THAT HAS SOME SHEETROCK, BUT NOTHING, BUT IT'S JUST RAW SHEETROCK. IT'S SO FOR US IT'S BEEN A BIG STORAGE SHED. SO WHEN WE MOVED, WE MOVED FROM THE HIDDEN FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD TO DALLAS AND LIVED IN DALLAS IN A HOME THAT WE TOOK A RANCH STYLE HOME AND DID A COMPLETE REMODEL OF THAT AND MADE IT BEAUTIFUL AND THEN SOLD THAT THIS SUMMER BECAUSE THE DAUGHTER WANTED TO COME TO PUBLIC SCHOOL. SO SHE'S A JUNIOR AT MCKINNEY HIGH, ALTHOUGH WE'RE ZONED IN BOYD, WE WERE TRANSFERRED INTO MCKINNEY HIGH BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO GO BACK TO SEE SOME OF HER FRIENDS FROM VALLEY CREEK. SO WE INTEND TO, IN WHATEVER WE DO, TO HONOR THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, TO WE EVERY WHEN WE'RE DOING THE REMODEL, EVERY WINDOW THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE PICTURE WILL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. AND WE INTEND TO WE. THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS, IS AS WAS NOTED IN KASEY'S PRESENTATION, IS SOME OF THE HISTORICAL VALUES IS GONE FROM THE PROPERTY AND BUT WHATEVER REMAINS THERE WILL STAY THERE. BUT WE NEED A GARAGE TO SAFELY LIVE THERE AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS TO BE TAKEN DOWN. SO THANK YOU. I'M SORRY FOR BEING EMOTIONAL.

THAT'S JUST BUT IT IS KIND OF OUR LAST HURRAH. THANK YOU. GREAT COMMENTS. QUESTIONS. MR.

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ABSOLUTELY. FOR SURE. GREAT SUCCESS IN HIS REMODELING THAT HE'S DONE RESTORATION. I SHOULD SAY I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE DEMOLITION. I JUST I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE HOUSE. IT'S GOT THAT ARCH ON THE ONE SIDE. CAN WE SCOOT BACK A COUPLE SLIDES? I SEE. YEAH, OKAY, I GUESS SEE THE ARCH ON THE LEFT. WAS THAT FOR TO BRING? HOW HOW OLD IS THIS HOUSE AGAIN? 30. 30.

35? NO, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE FRONT PORCH. OH, THAT'S THE FRONT PORCH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, IN THE UPPER LEFT. YEAH, THAT'S THE FRONT PORCH. OKAY. OKAY. YES. IT'S. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH. AND THE REASON THAT WE SAY THAT IS BECAUSE WE SEE EVIDENCE OF THERE'S CONCRETE, THERE'S STAMPING IN THE CONCRETE THAT WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S DIFFERENT POSTS THAT WERE THERE AS PART OF OUR REMODEL WILL BE RESTRUCTURING, LEAVING THE ARCH AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE, BUT CHANGING THE CONCRETE OUT TO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT RIGHT NOW SLOPES INTO THE HOUSE. IT'S NOT GOOD. CONSIDERABLY. YEAH, THAT THAT LITTLE MINIATURE DORMER LOOKING THING ON THE RIGHT THERE TO THE RIGHT OF THE CHIMNEY WINDOW. MIGHT THAT BE? IS THAT WHAT IS THAT CALLED? THE EYEBROW IS THE EYEBROW EYEBROW WINDOW. THIS IS A IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UP ON THE ROOF. YES. YES. YEAH. IT'S AN EYEBROW ROOF IN. SO WE'RE KEEPING THAT THERE.

RIGHT THERE. YEAH. THE ANTICIPATED REMODEL WILL KEEP THE ATTIC IN THAT HOUSE IS NOT AS HIGH AS THIS COURT IS THIS ROOM, BUT ALMOST AS HIGH AS THIS ROOM. SO WE'RE ABLE TO ADD A ROOM, ADD A WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADD IN THE SECOND STORY WITHOUT AND USE THE EXISTING TWO WINDOWS ON THE VERY END. FOR THE TWO WINDOWS, THAT CODE WILL REQUIRE THE ONE BEING THE BEDROOM WINDOW, AND THEN ONE WILL BE KIND OF A LOFT WINDOW. SO BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE, IT REQUIRES THAT WE ARE WE'RE KIND OF WE FEEL LUCKY ABOUT THAT. CASSIE, I'D LIKE TO ASK, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A MEDIUM PRIORITY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO IN DOING THIS, WILL THAT CHANGE THE WILL THAT CHANGE THAT OR WHAT IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE IT. SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT PRIORITY AND THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS PROPERTY, IS RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOME AS WELL AS ITS SIGNIFICANCE AS A PARSONAGE. SO REMOVING THE GARAGE DOESN'T CHANGE THAT NECESSARILY. THE GARAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN ALTERED AS WELL AS MOVED, RIGHT. SO THAT DIMINISHES FOR THE GARAGE ITSELF. OKAY.

ALSO, I WANTED TO I, I LOVE THIS HOUSE. I WALK BY THIS HOUSE ALL THE TIME AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, I NEVER EVEN NOTICED THE GARAGE SITTING SITTING BACK THERE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF TUCKED AWAY. BUT SO IF WE DO APPROVE THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH IS APPROVING THE EITHER APPROVING OR DENYING THE DEMOLITION, WHAT'S THE PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH AFTER THIS IN, IN AS TO WHAT THEY WILL BUILD ONTO THAT I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING? WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT UP TO US, BUT WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? SO THEY SUBMIT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ANY SORT OF ADDITION OR GARAGE. AND THAT WOULD COME TO STAFF AND STAFF WOULD REVIEW IT, AND WE WOULD TALK WITH THEM AND WORK THROUGH THE DESIGN OF IT TO GET TO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD APPROVE THAT WOULD KEEP THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOME. OKAY. OKAY. DO YOU THINK THE ADDITION WILL CHANGE THE PRIORITY? I WE HAVEN'T SETTLED ON AN ADDITION SO THAT I CANNOT COMMENT ON YET. JUST I JUST WAS LISTENING. NO, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS HOUSE, IT ALMOST FRONTS BOTH BRADLEY AND HUNT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO IT. FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS IN THE DUPLEX RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT.

SO I WALKED BY IT EVERY SINGLE DAY DURING COVID BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING ON OUR HOUSE DOWN THE ROAD. BUT THAT'S A COOL HOUSE. IT REALLY IS. IT'S GOT A GREAT HISTORY AS WELL. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS DEMOLITION AS PRESENTED, ISAAC MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND? JOHANNA MADE A SECOND. UNLESS MARSHA MADE THE SECOND. MADE THE SECOND? SECOND.

SECONDED BY SECOND XI. FIRST. WE HAVE FORCED NOW BECAUSE THEIR EXPONENTIAL. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN

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[PUBLIC COMMENTS Regarding Matters not on the Agenda]

[BOARD AND STAFF COMMENTS]

YEAH. THEY SERVE BEER THAT EARLY AT TUFTS. HEY, I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE SO. THEY'LL BE OPEN.

YEAH. PROBABLY WILL BE OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? BETTY. YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO EXTEND MY MEETING LONGER? NO, NO, YOU'RE TALKING. OKAY. YES, SIR. I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR. SAME TO YOU, JAMES. AND I ECHO THOSE AND BETTY HAS A BIRTHDAY COMING UP, SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO BETTY. I WANT TO JUST. OH, KNOW. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO BOTH OF YOU.

YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING. JOHANNA MAKES A MOTION. BETTY SECONDS THE MOTION. WE'RE GOING TO SEPARATE YOU GUYS NEXT TIME. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING THE MEETING, PLEASE VOTE. AND IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. AND THAT'S IT, I BELIEVE. YEAH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE ON MY SCRIPT. SO YOU ARE FREE TO GO. THANK YOU. ALL CURRIES AGAIN FOR COMING IN AND PRESENTING AND TALKING ABOUT YOUR PROJECT WITH US. YEAH, I'VE BEEN IN

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.