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TUESDAY, JANUARY 21ST. YEAR, 2025. IT'S 302 IN THE AFTERNOON. WE'RE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 222 NORTH TENNESSEE STREET. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS, OF WHICH I HAVE NONE. NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP. WE WILL MOVE TO DISCUSS AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY ON COUNCIL WANT TO DISCUSS ANY OF THIS IS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS. FOR NON AGENDA. ANYONE WANT TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF ANYTHING ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA WHILE THEY ARE HERE. SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE TO[Update on Roy & Helen Hall Library Re-imagined]
OUR FIRST FIRST ITEM TWO FOUR. EXCUSE ME. 252387. UPDATE ON ROY AND HELEN HALL LIBRARY REIMAGINED. SPENCER. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CITY MANAGER. IF YOU REMEMBER, A FEW MONTHS AGO, I CAME TO YOU TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME VISION FOR A ROY AND HELEN HALL LIBRARY AND WHAT IT COULD BE IN THE DOWNTOWN CENTER. AND SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE ENGAGED WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND DESIGN FIRM TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH A FULLY REALIZED VISION OF WHAT THIS LIBRARY CAN BE. SO IF YOU ALLOW ME, I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IF AT ANY TIME YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE JUST SHOUT THEM OUT AND I'LL ANSWER WHAT I CAN. SO WHEN WE TALKED BEFORE. WELL. IS IT NOT? OH, THERE WE GO. THAT WAS 100% HUMAN ERROR, BY THE WAY. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE QUESTIONING WHEN WE TALKED BEFORE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FEEDBACK SURVEYS THAT WE'VE DONE AT THE LIBRARY TO SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTED FROM A DOWNTOWN LIBRARY, AS WELL AS INCORPORATING THE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT FEEDBACK. AND WE PRESENT IT TO YOU THAT THESE WERE OUR GOALS WAS TO TURN HALL INTO A VIBRANT COMMUNITY HUB AS A GATEWAY TO DOWNTOWN, TO EXTEND THAT DOWNTOWN EXPERIENCE A FEW BLOCKS NORTH, AND TO BE FUTURE READY. SO THIS WOULD LAST FOR ANOTHER 30 PLUS YEARS FOR A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF MCKINNEY RESIDENTS, AND THEN ALSO TO TURN IT INTO AN EVERYDAY DESTINATION.IF YOU REMEMBER JOHN AND JUDY, GAY IS AN EVERYDAY DESTINATION. PEOPLE ARE THERE LITERALLY EVERY DAY, THE SAME PEOPLE. IT'S GREAT. HALL IS A BIT MORE OF A SPECIAL OCCASION BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION AND THE OFFERINGS, AND OUR GOAL IS TO FLIP THAT ON ITS HEAD AND TURN IT INTO AN EVERYDAY LOCATION. AND SOME OF THE TARGETED OPPORTUNITIES WE HAD WERE TO EXPAND THE LEARNING EXPERIENCES AT HALL, TO HAVE VERY SPECIFIC YOUTH AND TEEN SPACES. WE HAVE THOSE SPACES NOW, BUT THEY'RE JUST PART OF THE REGULAR ARCHITECTURE THERE, THE BROWN AND GREEN THAT YOU SEE EVERYWHERE OVER THERE. WE WANTED TO IMPROVE THE INDOOR OUTDOOR FLOW, UPDATE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE BUILDING, INCREASE THE PUBLIC MEETING SPACE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY HIGHLIGHTED THE LOCAL HISTORY CENTER THAT WE HOUSED IN THAT BUILDING. MAYOR, I KNOW YOU REMEMBER THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY HEARD A RUMOR THAT WE WERE MOVING IT EVEN TO THE OTHER LIBRARY. WE'RE VERY ADAMANT ABOUT KEEPING IT THERE AND HIGHLIGHTING THAT THE GREAT LEGACY OF HELEN HALL THERE. AND SO WE'LL JUST GET TO IT. THIS IS THIS IS WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS VISION. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE CONSOLIDATED THE STAFF AREA AND THIS GROUND FLOOR GREEN AREA HERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THAT WILL ALLOW FOR A LOT OF THAT COLLABORATION THAT WE SEE OVER AT JOHN AND JUDY GAY EVERY DAY. THE SERENDIPITOUS IDEATION, THE EAVESDROPPING THAT LEADS TO GREAT THINGS THAT WILL ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN HERE WITH STAFF. WE HAVE ALSO CREATED A TEEN ROOM THAT IS A SEPARATE TEEN AREA. WE DON'T GET A LOT OF TEENS AT ROY AND HELEN HALL LIBRARY. WE SEE THEM WHEN I COME IN IN THE MORNING. THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE BUS, BUT WE DON'T SEE THEM COME IN. WE WANT TO GIVE THEM A SPACE THAT IS THEIRS THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, LIKE WE HAVE AT JOHN AND JUDY GAY. AND IN ADDITION TO A SPACE FOR THESE TABLES AND THESE STACKS WHERE WE PLAN TO IMPLEMENT OUR ALL VOLUNTEER TEEN TUTORING PROGRAM ONCE THIS REOPENS, AS WELL AS RUNNING SOME OF OUR PLANNED TEEN PROGRAMS HERE. WE HAVE OFFERED ADDITIONAL FAMILY RESTROOMS HERE ON THIS SIDE. THIS ORANGE AREA THAT YOU SEE IS OUR YOUTH AREA DOWNSTAIRS. SO THAT'S GOING TO COVER FROM BOARD BOOKS THROUGH FIFTH GRADE. SO EVERYTHING IN HERE WILL COVER THAT VERY FAMILY FRIENDLY AREA. WE'VE ALSO ADDED, IN ADDITION TO FAMILY RESTROOMS, A NURSING ROOM WHICH WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AT EITHER. LIBRARY STAFF WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT THAT FROM DAY ONE. WE HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES, A LOT OF YOUNG MOTHERS, AND WE HAVE A ROOM FOR THEM TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN WHEN NEEDED. WE'VE ALSO INCREASED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO IF YOU IF YOU GO OVER NOW, YOU'LL SEE THESE BENCHES UNDER THE EAVES. WE'VE RECLAIMED THAT SPACE AND TURNED THAT INTO INTERIOR SPACE TO REALLY ALLOW US TO SPREAD THE COLLECTIONS OUT AND MAKE THIS WORK. SO THE COURTYARD IS GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT SMALLER ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BUT WE DON'T REALLY USE THAT SPACE. IT'S MOSTLY WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE KIND OF ALL DAY WITH US WILL HANG OUT DURING THE DAY. THIS ALLOWS US TO TURN THAT INTO USABLE LIBRARY SPACE. WE HAVE NOT ONLY MOVED THE ELEVATOR, BUT WE'VE ADDED AN EXTRA ELEVATOR. SO NOW WHEN YOU COME IN, INSTEAD OF SEEING AN
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ELEVATOR WALL HERE BLOCKING YOU, THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE OPEN TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE STRAIGHT INTO THE YOUTH SPACE AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THEN NOW THERE ARE TWO ELEVATORS THAT WILL BE MOVED OUT SLIGHTLY INTO THE COURTYARD TO ALLOW THAT EASIER ACCESS UP AND DOWN STAIRS FOR STAFF. THE YOUTH AREA HERE, IT'S GROWN, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO IMPROVE WITH TECHNOLOGY, WITH SOME SPACES, THESE TWO LITTLE AREAS HERE, YOU'LL SEE THEY'RE KIND OF HOUSES THAT STICK OUT INTO THE COURTYARD. SO IF A FAMILY WANTS TO HAVE FAMILY READING TIME THERE, THEY WANT TO DO A PUZZLE TOGETHER. THESE ARE ALMOST SEMI-PRIVATE LITTLE NOOKS THAT THEY CAN GO HANG OUT WITH, WITH THEIR FAMILY AND THE CHILDREN'S AREA. AND THIS TRAFFIC FLOW AGAIN, ELEVATORS ARE GONE, BUT THE FIREPLACE IS ALSO GONE. SO NOW IT'S A STRAIGHT MOVE FOR STAFF TO GO FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. THE VISIBILITY IS DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED. THE RESTROOMS ARE ALL SINGLE USER RESTROOMS, SO THEY'RE ALL A PRIVATE RESTROOM EXPERIENCE. STAFF WILL HAVE ALERTS AND LIGHT ALERTS IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN IN THERE WITH 60S WITH NO MOTION. HEY, THERE'S A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, GO CHECK ON THEM. THEY'VE BEEN IN THERE FOR 15 MINUTES WITH A LOT OF MOTION.HEY, THAT PERSON'S BEEN IN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. GO CHECK ON THEM SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO OFFER THAT SAFETY AND EXPERIENCE THERE. WE ALSO HAVE MOVED THE DELANEY ROOM, SO IF YOU CAN TELL THIS IS FLIPPED OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE, THIS IS SLIGHTLY BIGGER, BUT ALSO A MUCH BETTER SHAPE DIMENSIONALLY. AND YOU'LL SEE A PICTURE IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT WE PLAN TO HAVE A LARGE VIDEO WALL ON THIS SIDE FOR PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS, FOR NONPROFITS, DOING PRESENTATIONS FOR BOARD MEETINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT IN THERE, AS WELL AS STORAGE PASSING THROUGH. RIGHT NOW. ROY HELLAND HALL HAS ALMOST ZERO STORAGE. AND THIS ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY WHEN WE CLEAR THOSE CHAIRS OUT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIT ON THE SIDE AND JUST LOOK AWKWARD. WELL, IT WILL BE ABLE TO CLEAR THAT OUT FOR THESE SPACES. AND THEN THE UPDATED TECHNOLOGY, YOU'LL SEE THAT WITH THE BOOK RETURN, THAT'S GOING TO BE A 24 HOUR OPERATING BOOK RETURN. INSTEAD OF HAVING A COMPUTER LAB WITH SITTING THERE WHERE WE TELL PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE COMPUTERS, WE'LL HAVE LAPTOPS THAT THEY CAN CHECK OUT AND USE ANYWHERE IN THE BUILDING. SO IF THEY'VE GOT A FOUR YEAR OLD THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE KIDS AREA, THEY CAN CHECK OUT THEIR LAPTOP AND GO DO THEIR WORK WHERE THEIR KID IS. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAKE THEIR KID SIT STILL NEXT TO THEM ON A ON A PC WHERE WE SAY IT'S OKAY AND THEN MORE DURABLE FINISHES, IT'S HARD TO SAY.
HALL'S BEEN AROUND FOR 20 PLUS YEARS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY SURFACE GETS SCRATCHED AND SCUFFED AS SOON AS IT'S THERE. AND THE FLOORS. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE TASKED THE ARCHITECT WITH WAS TO MAKE EVERY PROBLEM A PAPER TOWEL PROBLEM, NOT A CARPET CLEANER PROBLEM. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS AN IMPENETRABLE FLOOR RUNNING THROUGH THE LOBBY. A RUBBERIZED PRODUCT HERE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY MADE FROM RECYCLED SNEAKERS. NIKE USES IT IN THEIR HEADQUARTERS, SO IT'S A MOP ABLE SURFACE. AND THEN THERE'S ONLY ONE SECTION IN THE WHOLE LIBRARY WHERE IT'S CARPETED LUSH. THAT'S THE ADULT NONFICTION SECTION, BECAUSE WE TRUST THEM TO NOT GRIND CHEERIOS INTO THE FLOOR UP THERE. SO AND THEN THE LAWN SPACE. WHAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE WHEN YOU LOOK OVER IS THE GATE THAT WE'VE INSTALLED FOR SECURITY PURPOSES OUT FRONT, BUT ALSO THE BIG RETAINING WALL. AND THAT WILL POTENTIALLY FRONT BE THE VIEW THAT PEOPLE SEE FROM THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE ACROSS HUNT STREET. THIS PLAN CALLS FOR US REMOVING THAT RETAINING WALL AND JUST GRADING THAT LAWN FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER SO WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO LIBRARY PROGRAMS, FESTIVAL STUFF. AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING DOWNTOWN NORTH, THIS COULD CONNECT WITH THE PARK THAT IS PLANNED TO BE ON KENTUCKY TO MAKE A NICE GREEN SPACE DOWNTOWN FOR ALL THOSE EVENTS. AND THESE ARE SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. SO THIS IS THE LOBBY HERE. SO THIS IS A BRIGHT, VIBRANT OPEN SPACE. NOW WITH THAT SOLID FLOOR. WHAT YOU SEE HERE I'M A LITTLE OLD, BUT I REMEMBER TRAVELING IN AIRPORTS WHERE YOU HAD THIS SPLIT FLAP BOARDS, AND YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT TO TURN TO TELL YOU WHEN YOUR PLANE WAS DELAYED. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE ON EACH SIDE TO HAVE AN ANALOG TECHNOLOGY FOR SIGNAGE. BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT DIGITAL SIGNAGE, IT JUST FADES INTO THE BACKGROUND THESE DAYS. IT'S GOOD TO POINT AT AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S WHEN THAT IS. BUT THIS WE CAN GET ATTENTION WITH NOISE QUICKLY IF WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, OR IT CAN MOVE SLOWLY, BUT THIS WILL BE SHOWCASING EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THE LIBRARY AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE. THIS IS SOUND BAFFLING EQUIPMENT, AND SO THAT'LL ALLOW US TO REALLY TRY TO HAMPER DOWN THAT NOISE LEVEL. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A QUIET PART OF THE LIBRARY. THIS IS GOING TO BE HEAVY TRAFFIC, LOTS OF ACTIVITY IN THAT LIBRARY. BUT IT'S A TRANSITIONAL SPACE. AS YOU COME DOWN HERE, HERE'S A DRAWING OF WHAT THE TEEN SPACE WILL LOOK LIKE. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO HAVE LARGE BENCH SEATING THERE SO THEY CAN COME AND LOUNGE AROUND AND DO THEIR HOMEWORK IN GROUPS TOGETHER. WE CAN'T HELP THEIR POSTURE, THEIR TEENS, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. BUT WE CAN MAKE A COMFORTABLE SPACE FOR THEM FOR WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR FIRST, FIRST PERSON DRONE PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LAUNCH THIS FALL. WHEN IT OPENS UP HERE, THEY COULD BE FLYING THEM, SITTING ON THAT BENCH WHILE THEY'RE FLYING IN THE COURTYARD OUTSIDE IN A CAGE AND WATCHING IT IN THE DELANEY ROOM ON THE LARGE SCREEN TV. SO LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR TEENS. AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE YOUTH ZONE, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE YOUTH AREA. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A CURVED MONITOR. SO WE COULD HAVE LEAVES FALLING FOR FALL. WE COULD HAVE DIFFERENT STUFF GOING ON FOR EVERY SEASON, PROMOTIONAL THINGS. BUT THE GOAL IS WHEN YOU WALK INTO THAT SPACE, YOU ARE IN A YOUTH FRIENDLY, FAMILY FRIENDLY SPACE.
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THIS IS YOUR ZONE TO BE SO YOU CAN GET A LITTLE LOUD. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR KIDS RUN AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND IT'S VIBRANT AND COLORFUL. AND ALSO THAT FLOORING I TALKED ABOUT HAS A LITTLE GIVE TO IT. SO WHEN YOU HAVE TO PUSH YOURSELF UP OFF THE FLOOR FROM PLAYING WITH YOUR KIDS, YOUR KNEES DON'T YELL AT YOU AND REMIND YOU HOW OLD YOU ARE NOW. SO THAT'S THE FIRST FLOOR. NOW THE SECOND FLOOR IS WHERE I THINK ALL THE FUN COMES IN. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE. THIS IS A PLANNED 26 FOOT FULL DOME PLANETARIUM. IT HOLDS 55 PEOPLE AT A TIME WITH NON-FIXED SEATING. SO WE CAN MOVE ALL THOSE SEATS OUT. WE CAN HAVE SHOW THE NORTHERN LIGHTS AND TH, YOU KNOW, THE ARCTIC SKY WHILE HAVING SANTA CLAUS SIT DOWN THERE AND HAVE A STORY TIME FOR CHRISTMAS TIME. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF WE CAN DO IN THERE PARTNER PARTNERSHIPS WITH UNIVERSITIES, PARTNERSHIPS WITH OTHER PLANETARIUMS AROUND THE WORLD. REALLY, OUR GOAL IS TO KIND OF BRING AS MANY PEOPLE IN THROUGH THAT SPACE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WITH EDUCATIONAL AND ENTERTAINING PROGRAMS. ANYTHING YOU CAN PUT ON A SCREEN THERE, SALESMAN SAYS YOU CAN PUT ON THE DOME. SO IF WE WANT TO RUN ADS FOR VISIT MCKINNEY, IF WE WANT TO RUN ADS FOR UPCOMING EVENTS BEFORE WE SHOW OUR SHOWS, WE CAN DO THAT ALL ON THIS DOME BRINGING PEOPLE IN. IT ALSO OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AFTER HOURS EVENTS. I THINK I SAID MAYBE LAST TIME THERE IS A DARK SIDE OF THE MOON FULL ALBUM PLANETARIUM SHOW. THERE'S ALSO SEVERAL QUEEN SHOWS AND SOME U2 SHOWS, WHICH ARE, I GUESS FOR YOUNGER FOLKS, BUT THAT EMPTIES OUT HERE THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR INTO WHAT IS ROUGHLY A 2500 SQUARE FOOT EXHIBIT SPACE. THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD BRING TRAVELING EXHIBITS. WE CAN WORK WITH THE PITTSBURGH CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, THE MINNESOTA CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, MUSEUMS IN HOUSTON, MUSEUMS IN DALLAS TO BRING THOSE NATIONAL EXHIBITS TO MCKINNEY. SO ANYTHING THAT CAN FIT IN THAT 2500 SQUARE FOOT SPACE STAFF HAS ALREADY GOT PLANS TO FILL IT IN. AND I'VE GOT SOME EXAMPLES ON THE ON THE NEXT SLIDE FOR YOU TOO. BUT THAT EMPTIES INTO THE FICTION SPACE HERE. AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR STUDY ROOMS ON THIS SIDE. THOSE STUDY ROOMS AGAIN WE'LL BE LOOKING OUT ONTO THAT LAWN ACROSS THE STREET EVENTUALLY TO THAT BOUTIQUE HOTEL. THESE ARE FREE AND BOOKABLE RESERVABLE IN ADVANCE FOR ANYONE WHO HAS MCKINNEY LIBRARY CARD. SO IF YOU NEED TO HAVE A QUICK BUSINESS MEETING, IF YOU NEED TO HAVE A QUICK, YOU KNOW, UP TO SIX PERSON IN A COUPLE OF THOSE ROOMS, SMALL GROUP MEETINGS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY. YOU JUST LOG IN WITH YOUR CARD, SELECT YOUR DATE AND TIME, SHOW UP AND GET IN THE ROOM. ON THIS SIDE YOU'LL SEE OUR NINTH STUDY ROOM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY HOVERING OVER INTO THE LOBBY. BECAUSE OUR ARCHITECT IS REALLY SURE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE SEEN BEING ACTIVE IN A FISHBOWL. AND I'M SURE SOME OF US DO. NONE OF THEM WORK FOR THE LIBRARY, BY THE WAY, BUT THERE ARE EXTROVERTS OUT THERE. BUT THIS AREA OVER HERE, THIS IS OUR QUIET ADULT AREA. THIS IS CARPETED. THIS HAS SOME READING NOOKS, ONE AND TWO PERSON BOOTHS SLOTTED INTO THE WALL. THIS IS THE ONLY SPACE WITH BIGGER TABLES THAN TWO TOPS. SO YOU CAN SPREAD OUT YOUR RESEARCH. GET YOUR LAPTOP, GET YOUR GENEALOGY, GET YOUR LOCAL HISTORY WORKING UP HERE. AND THIS ROOM HERE IS OUR LOCAL HISTORY RESEARCH ROOM. SO YOU'VE SEEN THE HISTORIC PHOTOS AT NEW CITY HALL. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WALLPAPERING THIS ROOM TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT MCKINNEY'S HISTORY. BUT ALSO THE YEARBOOKS THAT WE HAVE WILL BE ON DISPLAY IN HERE.ALL OF OUR HISTORIC LEDGERS, THINGS LIKE THAT, FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME RESEARCH THEIR HOUSES OR JUST MCKINNEY IN GENERAL, WILL BE IN THAT ROOM AS WELL. THIS IS OUR QUIET SECTION.
THIS WHOLE WING IS, WHEN YOU THINK OF YOUR TRADITIONAL, LUSH, QUIET, STUDIOUS LIBRARY. THIS IS THE WING WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET THAT ACTIVITY AT THEIR LEISURE. IT'S AS FAR AWAY FROM THE NOISE AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE FOUR ADDITIONAL STUDY ROOMS BACK HERE. SO IF YOU NEED QUIET, QUIET, ABSOLUTE QUIET IN THIS ROOM RIGHT HERE IS AS FAR AWAY FROM ANY NOISES YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET. AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO. THIS LAYOUT ALLOWS US TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CHAIRS AND SEATS IN THESE SPACES. WE WILL HAVE ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF BOOKS. WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF BOOKS BY VOLUME. WHEN WE OPEN BACK UP, IT'LL ROUGHLY HAVE 100 110,000 ITEMS IN IT, WHICH IS WHAT IT HAS TODAY. IT'S JUST SO MUCH MORE AN EFFICIENT USE OF SPACE. AND THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN'T CREDIT THE ARCHITECT ENOUGH WITH THE WITH UNDERSTANDING HOW TO MAKE IT ALL FIT. AND THEN THE TECHNOLOGY HERE TOO, WITH THE RESTROOMS, WHICH AGAIN, YOU'LL HAVE TWO UNISEX RESTROOMS HERE. THREE OVER HERE WILL ACTUALLY ADD ONE RESTROOM USER CAPABILITY IN THIS FLOOR PLAN THAN WE HAVE TODAY. AND THEN MORE STORAGE. SO WE REALLY THINK THIS HELPS WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW. THIS HELPS WITH LEANING INTO THE FACT THAT IT'S FOUR DIFFERENT SPACES CONNECTED TOGETHER. NOW WE'VE INTENTIONALLY SAID NO THESE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT SPACES. USE THEM DIFFERENTLY. IF YOU HAVE YOUR KIDS AND YOU WANT TO BE LOUD, GO DOWN IN THE KIDS AREA. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A QUIET STUDY TIME AS AN ADULT, GO WORK FROM HOME UP IN THE TOP WING. IF YOU WANT TO LEARN ABOUT PLANETS AND OTHER ENTERTAINMENT ACTIVITIES, COME HERE TO THE PLANETARIUM. SO I'LL TELL YOU, OUR VISION FOR THIS IS IMAGINE WHEN TEXAS MUSIC
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REVOLUTION IS IN TOWN. WE SHOW THE DOCUMENTARY ON THE DOME SCREEN, AND THEN THEY EXIT OUT HERE TO AN EXHIBIT OF TEXAS MUSIC WITH A WORKSHOP OF MAYBE MAKING THEIR OWN INSTRUMENTS, A CIGAR BOX GUITAR OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT. AND THEN OUR NEW LAWN OPENS UP TO WHERE IT'S AN OPEN MIC, LOCAL ACT VENUE DURING THE TEXAS MUSIC REVOLUTION TIME. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THE WAY THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ACTIVATING THIS SPACE, TO REALLY TURN IT INTO SOMETHING WHERE SOMEONE WAS HERE FOR AN HOUR, FOR A PROGRAM TO LET THEM SPEND THREE HOURS, FOUR HOURS HERE, REALLY SPENDING THEIR DAY WITH US AS A FREE, VERY AFFORDABLE FAMILY ACTIVITY DOWNTOWN. AND HERE'S WHAT THAT PLANETARIUM WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO 26FT ACROSS, 55 SEATS. SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET A GOOD PICTURE OF A PLANETARIUM INSIDE IT. MAYBE SAID THAT LAST TIME. THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO BE WELL LIT. THEY'RE MEANT TO BE DARK AND FOCUS ON THE SCREEN. OUR STUDY ROOMS WILL BE GLASS FRONTED ON BOTH SIDES, SO NICE LIGHT COMING IN. AND AGAIN, RESERVABLE BY TECHNOLOGY.THIS RIGHT HERE IS A SOUND BAFFLING SETUP WITH PERFORATED LIGHTS THAT WILL BE BOTH IN THE MEETING ROOM AND IN THAT EXHIBIT SPACE. SO THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING THROUGH THAT EXHIBIT SPACE. SO HOW DO WE MITIGATE THAT SOUND? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOUND BAFFLING, KIND OF BUILT IN EVERYWHERE THAT WE CAN. AND THEN THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS IS ACTUALLY A 2500 SQUARE FOOT EXHIBIT FOR AEROSPACE AND AERONAUTICAL INFORMATION. SO THIS IS THE TYPE OF EXHIBIT WE COULD HAVE IN THAT SPACE. AND THIS ALSO IS TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY PARTNER WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS TO RUN AIRPORT PROGRAMING WHILE WE HOST THE AERONAUTICAL SPACE THING, OR WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS WITH THE WATER CONSERVATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS WE GO. SO PROJECT TIMELINE, WE STARTED WITH 720 DESIGN FOR THOSE INITIAL IDEAS BACK IN 2023. BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, SEVERAL YEARS AGO I DID OUR STAFF PRESENTED REIMAGINED PROJECT. THIS ALL STEMS FROM THAT. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FIGURING OUT THIS BUILDING AND MAKING IT BETTER FOR PUBLIC USE FOR MANY YEARS NOW. BUT IN MAY 2024, WE CONTRACTED THEM WITH THE DESIGNER AND ARCHITECT FOR THE ACTUAL RENOVATION PROJECT. IN OCTOBER OF 2024, WE SELECTED CROSSLAND CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FOR THE PROJECT. ON TONIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WILL BE A NOTICE FOR A BOND THAT WOULD FUND THIS PROJECT. AND THEN IN MAY 2025, WE ESTIMATE THE START FOR THE CONSTRUCTION FINISHING UP IN SUMMER OF 2026. SO HERE'S A RENDERING OF WHAT THE OUTSIDE WILL LIKELY LOOK LIKE. SO THE PLANETARIUM WILL HAVE TO POP UP THROUGH THE ROOF. BUT IT GIVES A NICE VIBRANT LOOK TO OH THERE'S SOMETHING THERE. THERE'S SOMETHING DOWNTOWN. IT WILL BE A VERY DIFFERENT LIBRARY. IN 2024, 15,000 PEOPLE CAME TO VISIT TO PROGRAMS AT OUR LIBRARY, NOT JUST VISIT, BUT CAME TO DO PROGRAMS AT OUR LIBRARY. WE THINK WITH THE PLANETARIUM AND THE EXHIBIT SPACE, THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE DWARFED VERY QUICKLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL COME.
THERE IS NO PUBLIC PLANETARIUM IN COLLIN COUNTY. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THIS WITHIN OVER 30 MILES OF OUR SPACE HERE. AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THIS UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO TURN HALL INTO A VIBRANT, DOWNTOWN, FAMILY CENTERED ACTIVITY HUB. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS. SCORE. THANK YOU SIR. CHARLIE SPENCER, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FLOOR PLAN THE FIRST FLOOR. MAYBE? YES, SIR. CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH WHAT'S IN THE CENTER? I CAN'T READ IT. SO THE CENTER IS JUST A IT'S THE LOBBY SPACE. AND AS WE'RE LOOKING, IS THIS THE AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, THOSE ARE OUR SELF-CHECK SYSTEMS. SO WE HAVE OUR OWN STAFF BUILT SELF-CHECK SYSTEMS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH COVID.
THIS WOULD JUST BRING THOSE INTO THE CENTER. IT ALLOWS STAFF TO WORK MORE LIKE A GROCERY STORE MODEL, WHERE ONE PERSON CAN HELP MULTIPLE PEOPLE, AND THOSE WHO DON'T NEED HELP CAN JUST SELF-SERVE. BUT THAT ALLOWS THAT TO BE KIND OF THE CENTER TRANSITORY SPACE THROUGH THERE.
SO IT'S ALL IT'S OF COURSE, THE FIRST DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU WALK IN IS VERY, VERY OPEN. IT'S VERY NOT OPEN BEFORE ANY OTHER THINGS. YOU OPENING. THE OPENING UP WILL OF COURSE BE A HUGE IMPACT. BUT ANY OTHER IMPACTS? WOW. FACTORS IN THE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. I THINK YOU'RE JUST GOING TO SEE AS YOU COME IN THE CHILDREN'S AREA, THE VISUAL OF THAT CURVED MONITOR GOING INTO THAT BRIGHT, VIBRANT SPACE COMPARED TO WHAT YOU SEE NOW, WHICH IS TWO ORANGE BROWN BRICK WALLS ON BOTH SIDES. AND THEN THE FLIPBOARD TECHNOLOGY AS WELL, COMING IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR IS GOING TO BE WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE OUTSIDE. BEFORE YOU EVEN GET INTO THE BUILDING, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT BIG PLANETARIUM DOME POP UP ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT. YOU'RE
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GOING TO SEE, I MEAN, JUST THE STAIRCASES BEING OPENED MORE. SO ALL THAT BRICK IS KIND OF GONE, BUT REALLY A QUICK, CLEAN, VIBRANT, BRIGHT SPACE WHEN YOU COME IN. AND THEN OF COURSE, GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT'S CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE PICTURE OF THE LOBBY? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT. IS THIS THE DESIGN ELEMENT THAT IS PLANNED CURRENTLY, OR IS THIS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS IS? WHAT'S PLANNED CURRENTLY. THAT IS THE FURNITURE. EVERYTHING YOU SEE FURNITURE WISE IS A PLACEHOLDER. WE HAVE NOT SETTLED ON FURNITURE. WE HAVE NOT SETTLED ON SETTLED ON MILLWORK. BUT AND I BELIEVE THESE ARE ALL IN PROGRESS. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY SLIGHT TWEAKS. SO WHAT YOU SEE. WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS AREA HERE THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE A BIG COLOR POP ON IT SURROUNDING THE ELEVATOR. WE JUST HAVEN'T GOT THAT DESIGNED YET. HERE'S THAT FLOATING STUDY ROOM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN ON THE CEILING THAT'S GOING TO BE FAUX WOODEN SLAT CEILING FOR SOUND BAFFLING WITH LIGHTS HANGING DOWN. AND THE RAILING ALSO IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE OPEN SO WE CAN DECORATE FOR HOLIDAYS. WE'VE CHECKED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LIGHT HANGING LIGHTS CAN HOLD THINGS LIKE OUR PAPER DRAGONS FOR LUNAR NEW YEAR AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DECORATED AT ALL TIMES. SO I THINK THE POP OF COLOR DEFINITELY WOULD BE GREAT FOR THIS SPACE. I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I SAW THIS PRESENTATION EARLIER, BUT I FELT LIKE IT IT LOOKED A LITTLE STERILE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE COME TO OUR LIBRARY THAT IT LOOKS WARM AND INVITING, AND THIS DOES NOT EXACTLY LOOK WARM TO ME, I MIGHT BE IN THE MINORITY ON THIS ONE. NO, I WOULD SAY THE WOOD TONES THAT YOU SEE ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE RICHER THAN WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT ALSO THE BIG WHITE THAT YOU SEE THERE WITH THE MILLWORK THAT WON'T BE THERE, THAT WILL LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT, THE VIBRANT COLOR ON THE SIDE THAT YOU SEE WHERE THE ELEVATORS ARE THAT LEADS DIRECTLY INTO THAT CHILDREN'S AREA WITH THAT BIG POP OF COLOR. AND THEN STAFF WILL BE WORKING AROUND ROAMING, HELPING PEOPLE AS THEY GO. SO IT IS MEANT TO BE CLEAN AND CRISP AND VIBRANT OR BRIGHT, BUT THERE WILL BE A VIBRANCY, A HEAVY ACTIVITY IN IT AS WELL, AND DECORATIONS FOR ALL TIMES. SPENCER, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE LAND THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SITTING IN AND THE ADJACENT LAND WE WERE, THERE WAS DEMAND FOR ACTIVATION FOR KIDS ACTIVITIES.AND I THINK YOU'VE JUST HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK WITH THE DISPLAY AREA WHERE YOU CAN IMPORT DIFFERENT THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND LOOK AT FOR BASICALLY FREE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. AND THE PLANETARIUM IS HUGE. AND SO I THINK THIS IS JUST A HOME RUN. MAN. I JUST CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS AND GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. AND MAYOR PRO TEM, ONE THING I FORGOT TO MENTION, WE DO ALSO PLAN WHENEVER WE HAVE A TRAVELING EXHIBIT UPSTAIRS TO BRING PART OF THAT EXHIBIT DOWNSTAIRS INTO THE LOBBY SPACE TO WHERE IT FEEDS UP SO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON UPSTAIRS. SO IF WE HAVE THE WALLACE AND GROMIT TRAVELING EXHIBIT, THERE WILL BE A SECTION OF THAT DOWNSTAIRS AS WELL TO INTERACT AND BRING THAT DOWN TO THAT MANY SEATS OF THE PLANETARIUM, 55 SEATS THAT TOOK ANY THOUGHT, LIKE TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, MOST SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY MCKINNEY, HOLD 20 TO 20 KIDS PER CLASSROOM. THERE'S USUALLY THREE CLASSES, 3 TO 4 CLASSES PER GRADE. THAT MEANS IF YOU DID A FIELD TRIP, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET A WHOLE CLASS. SO WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT INTERNALLY. OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO ROTATE THEM THROUGH AND HAVE 30 MINUTES IN THE PLANETARIUM, 30 MINUTES IN THE EXHIBIT AND 30 MINUTES WITH THE STAFF LED TOURS DOWNSTAIRS.
SO WE COULD WE DO HAVE PLANS THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO FIT EVERY FIFTH GRADER IN A SCHOOL IN AN HOUR AND A HALF THROUGH OUR PROGRAM AS A FIELD TRIP. YES IT WAS. IT WAS DEFINITELY A CONSIDERATION AND THE LIMIT. AND I'D LIKE IT TO BE 36FT. BUT BUT THEIR STEEL BEAMS IN THAT BUILDING THAT CAN'T BE MOVED. SO THAT'S WHY IT HAD TO GET DROPPED DOWN. THANK YOU SPENCER. THANK
[Informational Update Regarding Development Regulations for Restaurants with Drive-Throughs]
YOU. IT'S EXCITING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 252350 INFORMATIONAL UPDATE REGARDING DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THRUS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL JENNIFER ARNOLD DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. SO WE ARE BRINGING THIS INFORMATIONAL ITEM FORWARD THIS AFTERNOON. I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME DRIVE THRUS THAT HAVE RECENTLY COME THROUGH DRIVE THROUGH PROJECTS, AND AT THE REQUEST OF A FEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'D ASK THAT WE KIND OF DIG IN A LITTLE BIT ON HOW WE REGULATE AND LOOK AT DRIVE THRUS HERE IN MCKINNEY. SO I'M HERE GIVING THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AS WELL AS ENGINEERING, IF WE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. SO WITH THAT WE'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN. SO AGAIN JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW. WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE LOOK AT ZONING. USE SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR DRIVE THRUS. AND THEN OF COURSE OUR STANDARD DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE PROVIDED A BIT OF A COMPARISON WITH SOME OF OUR SISTER CITIES. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO POSE THE QUESTION OF WHAT DO WHAT WE HAVE IN MCKINNEY. IS IT ENOUGH? SO JUST AS A BRIEF FOUNDATION HERE IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, WE DON'T JUST REGULATE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS. WE ACTUALLY CATEGORIZE RESTAURANTS IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SUBSETS. SO[00:25:02]
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CONCEPT FOR DRIVE THRUS, WHERE IT'S ON A STRIP CENTER WITH THAT, THAT CORNER UNIT HAVING THAT DRIVE THROUGH CAPABILITY, WE SEE THIS A LOT MORE FREQUENTLY NOW. SO HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO SOME OF OUR SISTER CITIES WITHIN THAT LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT? OF COURSE, ALL ZONING ORDINANCES ACROSS DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ARE UNIQUE, SO THERE IS NOT ALWAYS A 1 TO 1 COMPARISON. BUT WHAT WE DID DO WAS LOOK AT OUR LOWEST INTENSITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND OUR SISTER CITY'S LOWEST COMMERCIAL INTENSITY DISTRICTS. AND THAT'S THE COMPARISON THAT WE SEE HERE. SEE, PLANO, FRISCO, ALLEN AND SALINA ALL ALLOW SOME VARIATION OF DRIVE THRUS WITHIN THEIR LOW COMMERCIAL INTENSITY DISTRICTS, AS DOES MCKINNEY. WITH THAT EXTRA SUP. PROSPER IS THE ONLY CITY THAT DOES NOT ALLOW RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THRUS IN THEIR LOW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. SOME OF THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN MCKINNEY WITH THAT C1 ZONING DISTRICT IS THE LOCATION OF THE SPEAKER BOX. THE SPEAKER BOX ACTUALLY MUST BE 30FT AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL OR ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS A BUILDING SIZE LIMIT OF 5000FTā S, AND THEN THE STACKING SPACE OR THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE.THERE IS A LOCATIONAL REQUIREMENT AS WELL, OF COURSE, AS A STACKING REQUIREMENT. AND THEN THE DUMPSTER LOCATION. I BELIEVE THE DUMPSTER IS 20FT AWAY FROM THAT ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE ALL MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IN ANY SCP THAT CAME FORWARD IN A C1 ZONING DISTRICT. SOMETHING TO NOTE WITHIN PLANO AND FRISCO, THEY HAVE A BLANKET BUFFER FOR DRIVE THRUS WITH PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS OR USES. OKAY, GOING UP A GRADE, IF YOU WILL, INTO OUR LOCAL COMMERCIAL C1 ZONING DISTRICTS.
AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER OUR MEDIUM INTENSITY ZONING DISTRICT AS WE COME FORWARD TO PNC AND COUNCIL. THIS IS WHAT WE YOU SEE MOST OFTEN. THIS IS OUR OUR MOST COMMON COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. IT IS HIGHER VOLUME SERVICES REQUIRES GOOD CIRCULATION. WE ARE TYPICALLY GOING TO SEE THOSE AT AN ARTERIAL TO ARTERIAL INTERSECTION, ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO SOMETIMES SEE THEM AT AN ARTERIAL COLLECTOR. ONE THAT STANDS OUT TO ME ON THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE IS RIGHT HERE, WHERE IT HAS THAT INTERSECTION OFF OF JORDAN. SO NOT QUITE AN ARTERIAL, BUT STILL A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INTERSECTION THERE WHERE A C2 WAS APPROVED. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. HARDIN IN VIRGINIA. THIS IS HERE WE GO. WE'VE GOT A STARBUCKS.
THERE'S A 7-ELEVEN. AND THIS IS THE ONE THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT HAS THAT LUXURY AUTO GARAGE GOING RIGHT BEHIND IT. AGAIN, COMPARISON TO SOME OF OUR SISTER CITIES. WE GO WITHIN THE C2 ZONING DISTRICT. WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY SPECIFIC USE PERMITS. IT IS WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER PERMITTED BY RIGHT. BUT THEY MUST MEET CERTAIN MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR THAT USE. AND THE NUMBER ONE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE IS THE SPEAKER BOX BUFFER. SO IF YOU ARE IN A C2 ZONING DISTRICT, THAT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT IS ACTUALLY 20FT. WHEREAS IN THAT C1 ZONING DISTRICT THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT IS 30FT. COMPARED TO OUR SISTER CITIES, WE'RE PRETTY CONSISTENT. AGAIN, PLANO AND FRISCO HAVE THAT BLANKET BUFFER WHEN OR PROXIMITY TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN OF COURSE C3, OUR REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS OUR HIGHEST INTENSITY ZONING REGIONAL CENTERS, ARTERIAL, ARTERIAL, ARTERIAL TO REGIONAL HIGHWAYS. AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT.
YOU SEE IT ALONG 121 US 75, EVEN THERE ALONG US 380. AND SO THIS IS OH, HERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.
LAKE FOREST AND US 380 OR UNIVERSITY DRIVE. YOU CAN DEFINITELY TELL THAT THE CONTEXT OF THESE DRIVE THRUS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE THE C2 AND THE C1. YOU'VE GOT A LARGE SHOPPING CENTER COMPLEX THAT THEY'RE KIND OF PADDED OUT WITHIN. STREET VIEW. AND OF COURSE, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, STILL PERMITTED BY RIGHT. THE ONLY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE AGAIN, IS THAT SPEAKER BOX REQUIREMENT. SO WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING IN MCKINNEY, A DRIVE THROUGH IN A C2 ZONING DISTRICT VERSUS A DRIVE THROUGH AND A C3, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE THE SAME. AND THAT IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WHEN COMPARED TO OUR SISTER CITIES AS WELL. WE DID NOTE THAT THE CITY OF ALLEN ACTUALLY DOESN'T PERMIT DRIVE THRUS IN THEIR HIGHEST INTENSITY
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COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. WE DO NOT KNOW WHY THAT IS, BUT WE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NOTED THAT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, ONCE WE MOVE OUT OF THOSE USE PERMISSIONS AND THOSE USE SPECIFIC CRITERIA, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT OUR JUST STANDARD DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS HERE IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. SO IN ADDITION TO THOSE STACKING SPACES AND THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES AND WHERE SPEAKER BOXES ARE ALLOWED TO BE LOCATED, AND WE'RE ALSO STILL ENFORCING THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SETBACKS, SCREENING AND BUFFERING, DRIVEWAY ACCESS POINTS, TURN LANES AND MEDIAN OPENINGS, AND, OF COURSE, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IF THOSE ARE APPLICABLE. TYPICALLY, WHEN WE'RE SEEING THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS AT TWO MAJOR ARTERIAL INTERSECTIONS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT TO TRIGGER A TIA OR A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. SO WE DON'T OFTEN SEE THOSE, BUT THEY CAN SOMETIMES HELP TO INFORM IF AN EXTRA TURN LANE MIGHT BE REQUIRED OR ACCESS POINT LOCATIONS. SO WE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CALLED OUT THAT THOSE ARE ONLY, IF APPLICABLE. AND TYPICALLY FOR A STANDARD COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WE AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO SEE THOSE IN THE CENTER PART OF THE CITY OR IN A HIGHLY DEVELOPED AREA. SO WHAT DOES ALL THAT MEAN? WHAT HAVE WE SEEN HERE IN MCKINNEY IN ITS HISTORY AND IN RECENT HISTORY? I DO WANT TO NOTE, AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS MAP, THAT THIS IS STRICTLY INFORMATION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN FROM THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT USING SOME OF THEIR LAND USE CODES. SO WE DID NOT GO THROUGH AND VET EVERY PARCEL HERE IN THE CITY. BUT WE THINK THIS GETS A PRETTY GOOD FLAVOR FOR WHERE WE'VE GOT DRIVE THRUS HERE IN THE CITY. AND WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD SENSE OF CONFIDENCE THAT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE MARK. SO PRIOR TO 2023, YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE ORANGE DOTS THERE. AND WE HAD 85 DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, TWO, 2 TO 3 YEARS WE'VE SEEN 31 COME ONLINE.I WILL NOTE THAT ABOUT 20% OF THOSE 31 ARE LOCATED THERE AT THE HARDEN 380 INTERSECTION. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO SEEN QUITE A FEW COME IN AT EL DORADO AND STONEBRIDGE HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO IN IN TOTAL WE'VE GOT A LITTLE OVER 110 OR SO DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS THAT ARE EITHER ON THE GROUND OR HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND THE REASON THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT IS NOT JUST BECAUSE IT GIVES THE LAY OF THE LAND FOR WHAT WE SEE HERE IN MCKINNEY, BUT IT ALSO HELPS TO INFORM IF ANY CHANGES TO OUR ZONING CODE MIGHT BE DESIRED, BECAUSE WITH NEW STATE LAW, ANYBODY WHO HAS A CURRENT USE, MEANING AN APPROVED SITE PLAN OR THEY EXIST TODAY WOULD HAVE TO GET PROPERTY OWNER NOTIFICATION OF ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE TO THE ZONING CODE. SO JUST IN TERMS OF ORDER OF MAGNITUDE FOR HOW THAT IMPACTS NOTICING REQUIREMENTS AND IMPACTS TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO. IF THAT'S A CHANGE WE WANT TO MAKE. SO THIS IS JUST A TABLE THAT KIND OF CORRELATES WITH THAT MAP. IN RECENT HISTORY, THE WHAT WAS IT? WHAT DID WE SAY? 31 APPROVED SITE PLANS FOR DRIVE THRUS HERE IN THE CITY. 12 OF THEM CAME FROM THAT C2 DISTRICT. AND THEN A GOOD CHUNK OF THEM OBVIOUSLY ARE EMBEDDED WITH A LOT OF THOSE PDS THAT WE'VE HAD APPROVED IN RECENT YEARS. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE. JENNIFER. JENNIFER, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. I THINK ONE THING THAT BROUGHT UP THIS CONVERSATION WAS THE DRIVE THROUGH AT THE CORNER OF HARDEN AND TAYLOR BURKE, WHICH KIND OF DID TWO THINGS. ONE, IT WAS IN PRETTY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, ALTHOUGH YOU WERE VERY YOU POINTED OUT THAT IT'S SINGLE FAMILY THAT HAS A LOT OF THE PROTECTIONS. AND I THINK THOSE ARE TOWNHOMES IN THAT SPOT. IS THAT A DIFFERENT ALLOWANCE THAT A TOWNHOME? IT IS NOT. SO A TOWNHOME PRODUCT IS STILL CONSIDERED A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD BE AFFORDED THOSE SAME PROTECTIONS. THERE IS A ROAD SEPARATING. AND I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE WAS THAT ACCESS POINT. YEAH. AND THAT IS A COLLECTOR ROADWAY, WHICH IS WHERE THAT ACCESS WAS COMING OFF OF. BUT I WILL ADD TO THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KIND OF SEE AND UNDERSTAND, I GET THAT WE HAVE PROTECTIONS LIKE THE SPEAKER BOX BUFFER AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IN GAUGING INTENSITY OF USE, A 24 HOUR WHATABURGER OR TACO BELL THAT'S CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL STREET IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INTENSITY
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OF USE THAN MAYBE A CHICK FIL A OR SOMETHING THAT HAS NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. AND SO IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE TIMING OF USE? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING OF THE ONES ON EL DORADO WHERE YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE VEHICLES PARKED RIGHT UP NEXT TO, AGAIN, TOWNHOMES IN THIS SITUATION. BUT IT'S NOT A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE ONE THAT WOULD BE AVOIDABLE. AND ALL THE EXAMPLES WE SHOWED, THEY'RE THEY'RE LARGELY PADS THAT SIT OUT IN FRONT OF BOX STORES. YEAH. BUT IN THE SITUATIONS WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THESE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS FOR TIMING OF USE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE SPEAKER BOX THAT CAN BE A NUISANCE. RIGHT. AND SO I WILL SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND I'LL LOOK AT MR. HAUSER TO FACT CHECK ME. BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY DOES NOT REGULATE HOURS OF OPERATIONS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING INSIDE OF A BUILDING. OKAY. I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE THAT DRIVE THRUS ARE REGULATED FOR HOURS OF OPERATIONS EITHER. OKAY. SO WE MAY HAVE TO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT. AND WHETHER OR NOT A DRIVE THROUGH WOULD EVEN BE PERMITTED TO OPERATE 24 OVER SEVEN, I WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I DO ALSO THINK THAT WITHIN THE HARDIN TAYLOR BURKE EXAMPLE, IF MY RECOLLECTION SERVES ME, THAT PARTICULAR AREA WAS DESIGNATED IN THE PD ZONING AS TO ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY OF USES BETWEEN REZ AND NON-RES, WHICH I THINK IS WHERE THAT PROXIMITY REALLY CAME INTO PLAY WITH THAT COLLECTOR ROADWAY AND THE ACCESS THERE. WHEREAS IN A TRADITIONAL SENSE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT C2 ZONING DISTRICT HAS ITS ALIGNMENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S AROUND IT, OR EVEN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT'S AROUND IT. AND I THINK THAT KIND OF WAS MASKED, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE LAYOUTS AT THE TIME OF ZONING AND ALLOWED FOR THAT, THAT FLEX OF USES, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAD KIND OF BOTH OF THEM IN A CLOSER PROXIMITY THAN WE MIGHT HAVE OTHERWISE SEEN IN A STANDARD ZONING CASE. THAT WOULD, ON THE C1 OR I GUESS, IN ANY OF THE. ALLOWANCES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE TABLES THAT YOU SHOWED, WOULD WOULD ADDING AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER OR ADDITIONAL DISTANCE BUFFER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YOU KNOW, OTHER CITIES HAVE ADDITIONAL BUFFERS THAN WE DO FROM DRIVE THRUS TO RESIDENTIAL. WHAT WOULD DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAUSE? BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF THE ONES ON THIS MAP ARE NOT AFFECTED AT ALL. WE PROBABLY GOT FIVE IN THIS CITY THAT MAY BACK UP TO, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I THINK IT ALL COMES DOWN TO, EXCUSE ME, WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS IDENTIFY ALL PROPERTIES THAT FOLLOW THE C1 ZONING AND THEN IDENTIFY OF THOSE C1 ZONED PROPERTIES, HOW MANY EXISTING OR PERMITTED DRIVE THRUS ARE THERE. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THE IMPACT. AGAIN, WHEN WE HAVE STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICTS, IT'S REALLY EASIER FOR US TO SEE THOSE. THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS ABOUT 75% OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY IS ZONED PD, AND EVERY PD IS UNIQUE. AND SO GOING THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE TO DETERMINE WHERE THE C1, C2, AND C3 ZONING IS, PERMITTING THOSE DRIVE THRUS AND WHERE THEY EXIST ON THE GROUND. NOT NOT DOABLE, BUT DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE US SOME TIME TO DO CORRECTLY. BECAUSE THE LEGAL NOTICING REQUIREMENT IS ONE THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO MESS UP. BECAUSE IF WE MAKE THOSE CHANGE AND WE MISS THE NOTICE, THEN THE WHOLE THING FALLS FLAT AND WE DON'T WANT WE WANT TO AVOID THAT. OKAY. JUST THE FOOD TRUCKS OKAY. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT. THE IMPACTS WHEN WE LOOK AT GO ALL THE WAY BACK HERE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, IT SEEMS NOT INSURMOUNTABLE WHEN WE INCLUDE THE PDS. UNTIL WE START LOOKING AT THE PDS, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO KNOW HOW MANY SITES ARE AFFECTED. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME, TIME AND EFFORT. ONE THING I WILL NOTE IS WITHIN THE C1 ZONING DISTRICT, AN SOP IS REQUIRED. SO ADDING THAT CRITERIA OR NOT, WHEN THOSE SUPS COME BEFORE P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF THAT DISCRETIONARY ITEM IS THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CRITERIA IS. OF COURSE, BECAUSE IT'S FULL DISCRETIONARY ITEM I'M OKAY WITH AS LONG AS WE GET A PASS AT IT AND WE GET TO SEE IT AND WE HAVE THAT. I WORRY ABOUT FUTURE COUNCILS. THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT FACT TOO, RIGHT?[00:45:02]
BUT I'M OKAY WITH JUST HAVING SUV WITH WITHIN THE C1 ONLY. OKAY. WELL. IT'S C2 AFFECTED.C2. IT'S A PERMITTED. THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED ANOTHER PROTECTION YOU COULD SAY C2 SUV. I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED THAT ALREADY HAVE BY.
RIGHT. AND THEN WE'RE TOSSING THAT IN. YES. AND THAT'S MY ONLY HESITATION IS ENSURING THAT WE CAPTURE ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD REQUIRE NOTICING AND WITHOUT DIGGING IN. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE THAT WOULD BE. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN WITH THE AMOUNT THAT HAVE COME ONLINE, I MEAN, YOU GOT 30% OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 30% OF ALL DRIVE THRUS IN THE CITY HAVE COME ON IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WHICH IS PROBABLY A HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH GROWTH, BUT ALSO HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH HABITS AND PRACTICES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALSO FOLLOWING SIMILAR HABITS AND TRYING TO GET AS MUCH HOUSING AND DENSITY AS WE CAN IN SOME OF THESE BUFFER AREAS. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING THEM TOGETHER. AND IT FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT AS MUCH ON WHAT WE HAVE BUILT, BUT MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE WHAT'S COMING ONLINE IN FUTURE AREAS LIKE ALONG WILMOTH OR BLOOMDALE OR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WHERE WE'VE GOT HOUSING UP TO ROADWAYS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME IN BEHIND AND STICK, YOU KNOW, IN THESE LOW INTENSITY C1'S NOT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL BUFFER BEYOND THAT, THAT SUV AND MAYBE IN A, IN A PD, DOES IT EVEN HAVE AN SUV WITH IT? I MEAN, WE MAY NOT EVEN SEE IT LIKE THAT. TAYLOR BURKE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS A YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET AN SUV FOR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WAS THE FLEX USE ALLOWED FOR SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOME AND THENN FOLLOWED THE C2 ZONING DISTRICT. YEAH. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW THEY DIDN'T END UP HAVING TO DO AN SUP THERE. YOU KNOW, MY THING IS JUST PROTECTING FOR SURE AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE ON THAT. THE REST OF IT, YOU KNOW IT. I GET THAT WE HAVE CHANGES IN BEHAVIORS AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THEM RIGHT NOW. BUT YEAH, SO I WOULD BE FINE WITH THE 150 FOOT BUFFER AND AN SUP AND EVEN AN SUP AND C2 LIKE I, IF YOU'RE NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF CHECK ON IT. BUT I, YOU KNOW. I MEAN TO ME THE, THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL WHEN WE'RE STICKING A HUGE MUFFLER TRUCK AT TWO IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL IS NOT A NOT A GREAT THING TO HAVE. SURE. SAID JENNIFER, IF YOU COULD YOU ADD THAT BUFFER AS PART OF THE CRITERIA FOR C FOR THE C2 AND C3 ZONING THAT HAVE THE PERMITTED BY RIGHT BUT SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL CRITERIA, CAN WE ADD THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO DO OR YOU STILL HAVE TO DO A NOTICE FOR ALL, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THE NOTICE FOR ANY ANY EXISTING DRIVE THROUGH THAT DIDN'T MEET THAT CRITERIA WOULD HAVE TO GET NOTICED. YES. AND THERE'S NO WAY TO IMPLEMENT THAT FOR PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. LIKE YOU STILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND REZONE ALL OF THE OLD ONES. WELL, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO. YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO NOTICE THE OLD ONES IN ORDER TO MAKE A WHOLESALE CHANGE. OF COURSE, MOVING FORWARD, FOR ANY PROJECT THAT'S COMING THROUGH AS A PD WHERE THERE'S A MIX OF USES, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY BUILD IT INTO PD ZONINGS. BUT THE STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICTS, THE ONLY WAY TO IMPLEMENT THAT IS DOING A ZONING CHANGE, WHICH IS WHAT TRIGGERS THAT NOTICING REQUIREMENT. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SPOKE OPENLY ABOUT THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD ACCOMPANY IT, ACCOMPANY THAT ACTION. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THEIR RIGHT TO THAT USE AS IT IS. RIGHT. IT DOES NOT. BUT, WELL, IT IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO LEAVE. IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY BECOME A LEGAL NONCONFORMITY. AND SO THEY WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO THE LEGAL NONCONFORMITY REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. AND THE NOTICE IS PRETTY, PRETTY STOUT. YES. IT HAS. I MEAN, IT SAYS CHANGES WILL BE HAPPENING THAT IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO CONTINUE USING THIS PROPERTY AS YOU CURRENTLY ARE USING IT. SO IT WILL DEFINITELY TRIGGER SOME EMOTION FROM PEOPLE WHO OWN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. IT CAN ALSO AFFECT THEIR LENDING THE LENDER TO CORRECT. RIGHT.
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YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER. WE DO. HE'S ITCHING TO GET UP HERE. I JUST DO WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. WE CAN SET AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SO FOR THE IF YOU WANT TO ADD THE BUFFER AND ONLY AFFECT NEW PROJECTS COMING FORWARD, YOU CAN SAY FOR CRITERIA FOR SITE PLANS CONSIDERED AFTER A CERTAIN DATE GOING FORWARD. THAT WAY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO NOTIFY FOLKS GOING BACK. ONLY FOLKS GOING FORWARD. THAT WOULD BE A QUICK QUESTION AND THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE SALE, RIGHT? SO IF I IF I OWNED A CHICK FIL A AND YOU REZONE IT AND I SELL, I BECOME A NEW OWNER, WOULD I HAVE TO BUY BY THE NEW RULES AND THEN REMOVE MY SPEAKER BOX? NO, IT'S ONLY FOR PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE APPROVED AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THAT CRITERIA. SO IF YOU SET AN EFFECTIVE DATE FOR JANUARY 1ST, 2026, THE ONLY PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT ARE PROJECTS THAT WOULD COME IN AFTER THAT DATE. THEY KNEW IT. IT WAS IN EFFECT BEFORE THEY CAME IN AND APPLIED. EVERYBODY THAT HAD A RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT BEFORE THAT TIME WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO IT AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED, EVEN A NEW OWNER.THAT'S THE CLARITY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AFFECTING PROPERTY VALUE IF YOU HAVE TO.
YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT RULES FOR FOLKS AFTER JANUARY 1ST, 2026 AND BEFORE.
ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF RESTAURANTS. KIND OF THE POINT OF INTEREST, AT LEAST TO ME, CERTAIN ELATED BUCKEYE DEVELOPER JUST TEXTED ME THAT COVID IS DRIVING THE DRIVE THRUS. TENANTS WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN SERVE CUSTOMERS IF WE HAVE ANOTHER PANDEMIC. AND I SUPPOSE THAT DOES RESONATE THAT RESTAURANTS WITHOUT DRIVE THRUS WERE CERTAINLY AT A DISADVANTAGE DURING THE PANDEMIC, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE AN IMPORTANT THING MORE RECENTLY THAN MAYBE IT USED TO BE. THERE'S A LOT OF WHISPERING OVER THERE. DO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME CLARITY? COME ON UP, JENNIFER. I THINK MICHAEL AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF THE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. RIGHT. THE EFFECTIVE DATE, WHICH HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT I THINK IS AN OPTION. THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO THAT. JUST THE SAME WAY THAT THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO DOING THE USE CHANGE AND THE NOTICING. I THINK THE QUESTION NOW IS WHAT ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT GO BEHIND THOSE TWO DECISION POINTS. AND PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF CAN TAKE BACK, LOOK AT AND THEN BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN ORDER TO HELP INFORM HOW WE MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REGULATING DRIVE THRUS. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? WOULD IT BE HARMFUL TO SUGGEST THAT ON YOUR C ONE, TWO AND THREE THAT YOU MAY GET? FIVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ONLY? IN THAT WAY, WHOEVER IS SITTING ON THIS COUNCIL HAS OVERSIGHT ON THOSE? OR IS THAT CAUSING MORE WORK WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE? I DO THINK IT I DO THINK THAT IT WILL CAUSE MORE SUPS TO COME FORWARD, BUT I THINK IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. WHAT I LIKE, WHAT I MIGHT LIKE TO OFFER IS CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION. BUT MAYBE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS DISCUSSION AS A STAFF, WE CAN ROLL UP SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS TO BRING BACK, INCLUDING BOTH THE SUP REQUIREMENTS, THE BUFFERS, THE WAY IN WHICH WE DO AN EFFECTIVE DATE OR A REZONE. I THINK IF WE CAN GET ALL THAT FEEDBACK, WE'D LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT BACK IN A IN A PRESENTATION FORMAT. SO THAT WAS INTENDED AS A SUGGESTION, NOT A DIRECTIVE. GOT IT. THANK YOU. JENNIFER. HOW MUCH? I MEAN, IT COULD FEEL IT ALMOST A LITTLE BIT. FEELS LIKE FINDING A SOLUTION. COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION TO FIND A PROBLEM. HAVE WE HAVE WE REALLY HAVEN'T. HAVE YOU GOTTEN NEGATIVE FEEDBACK? HAS THERE BEEN AN ISSUE? I THINK THAT PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL IS DEFINITELY ON THE FOREFRONT WITH THE ONE PROJECT THAT CAME FORWARD WAS APPROVED HERE RECENTLY. FROM TIME TO TIME, WE HAD DISCUSSION WITH OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE SPEAKER BOX, WHICH IS WHY YOU SAW THAT NEW REQUIREMENT COME IN. BUT OTHERWISE WE AS A STAFF HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD MUCH. I KNOW THAT YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY HAVE, BUT AS A STAFF, NO, I WILL SAY WE JUST HAD THE ONE MCDONALD'S THAT WE DECLINED AS WELL. AND AS A USER OF THAT LITTLE INTERSECTION THERE, I MADE A PLEA TO NOT PUT A DRIVE THROUGH IN THAT AREA. AND SO I DO LIKE HAVING SOME COUNCIL OVERSIGHT, WHICH IS WHY I THINK THAT WAS FOR THE WHOLE RESTAURANT ITSELF.
WASN'T JUST THE DRIVE THROUGH THERE. I THINK IT WAS TRAFFIC IMPACT, THE TRAFFIC FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH. REALLY. YEAH. SO THAT WAS A THAT WAS A MAJOR FACTOR IN THAT DECISION. YEAH.
YEAH. SO I THINK THOSE THE TAYLOR BURKE AND THEN THE ONE WAS IT ON VIRGINIA. THOSE TWO
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WERE DIFFERENT IMPACTS. I THINK YOUR BIGGER CONCERN WAS TRAFFIC. WHEREAS ON THE TAYLOR BURKE ONE, IT WAS THAT RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY. AND SO DIFFERENT FACTORS FOR EACH. I ASK A QUESTION. IT'S TOTALLY SPECULATION, BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT FROM OUR PRESENTATION ON THE LIBRARY EARLIER, THAT THERE WERE NO INDEX CARDS THAT I COULD FIND FOR RICK AND I. WHEN ARE RESTAURANTS GOING TO GO TO JUST A CELL PHONE SERVICE INSTEAD OF A LOUD SPEAKER? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, I THINK SOME DRIVE THRUS ARE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE DUAL SERVICE. I THINK I THINK OF THE CHICK FIL A WHERE THEY'RE OUT THERE WITH THEIR IPADS AND THEY KIND OF TOGGLE ON AND OFF WITH THE SPEAKER BOXES. SO WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THAT. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT A REQUIREMENT IN OUR CODE. I'M NOT SEEING A WHOLESALE CHANGE, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE MORE OF THOSE IPADS. AND THEN A LOT OF THE MOBILE ORDER PICKUP NOW WHERE YOU DON'T ORDER AT THE WINDOW, YOU PREORDER ONLINE, AND THEN YOU GO TO THE WINDOW AND PICK IT UP. SO DEFINITELY EVOLVING WELL. AND IF IT IS, RATHER THAN MAKING A BUNCH OF CHANGES NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IN TWO MORE YEARS, WHY DON'T WE IMPLEMENT IT ALL NOW AND GET EVERYBODY HEADING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, WHICH MAY HELP YOU WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOISE POLLUTION PROBLEM? SURE, SURE. AGAIN, SUGGESTION OF UNDERSTOOD.SO, JENNIFER, I THINK GOING I THINK WITH COUNCIL SAYING IS WE'RE ASKING YOU TO GO BACK AND REALLY TELL US WHAT THAT MEANS TO NOTICE EVERYONE AND DO A COMPREHENSIVE NOTICING AND CHANGE VERSUS A STATED POINT IN TIME WHEN PEOPLE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO IT. AND I GUESS YOU'LL GIVE US WHAT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE SCOPE WISE AND ABLE TO CARRY IT OUT AND WHAT MAYBE MORE IN DEPTH THAN WHAT WE'RE FORCING YOU TO DO OFF THE CUFF RIGHT NOW WITH THE DIFFERENCES WOULD BE, BUT GIVE US A COMPREHENSIVE. LOOK AT THAT TIMING AND THE TIMING. YEAH. I MEAN, THE DEPTH IS HARD UNTIL WE GET BACK AND START WRESTLING WITHIN STAFF. BUT I DO RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY IS IN THE FUTURE IN THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MINDS. AND SO OBVIOUSLY OUR GOAL WOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT BACK TO THIS COUNCIL, SINCE THIS IS THE COUNCIL THAT BROUGHT THAT SUBJECT FORWARD. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE TIME FRAME WE WOULD BE WORKING ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOMETHING BACK TO YOU ALL. IF THAT IS A GOOD ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. ANOTHER WAY TO SAY IT IS THE COUNCIL IS ASKING YOU TO TELL US WHAT THE COUNCIL IS THINKING ON THAT. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT WORKS FINE FOR ME. I GOT ANOTHER MESSAGE FROM A DISGRUNTLED COUNTY APPRAISAL BOARD CHAIR, AND HE WAS SAYING THAT THE TACO BELL DOESN'T BELONG IN SOME TACO BELL DRIVE THROUGH AT 2 A.M, DOESN'T BELONG IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD. SO RESONATES WITH ME. AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT I LIKE TO LOOK AT EXAMPLES. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE THAT TACO BELL, WHATABURGER, CHICK FIL A TRIFECTA AT RICHMOND AND EL DORADO. AND MAN, THAT DOES GET CLOSE TO PEOPLE'S BACKYARD. AND I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT WENT INTO THE MATH AND FIGURING THAT OUT, BUT I'D LIKE TO AVOID THAT FOR THE FUTURE. AND I THINK JUSTIN MAKES A GOOD POINT THAT AS WE INCREASE DENSITY OF HOUSING ON THESE, YOU KNOW, NORTHERN, EAST WEST ARTERIALS LIKE WILMOTH AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL ON THIS. AND I'D LOVE TO NOT SEE THAT REPEAT ITSELF.
SURE. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE WE'LL TAKE IT ALL BACK. WE'LL ARM WRESTLE BEHIND THE SCENES AND GET SOMETHING BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. SO MUCH. JUST A LOT.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM THAT WOULD BE KAMAR BARRETT. ARE YOU HERE. AND WHEN YOU COME UP IF YOU WILL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.
GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR COUNCIL. MY NAME IS KAMAR BARRETT. I RESIDE AT 214 MOUNTAIN MEADOW LANE IN MCKINNEY AT THE NEW EASTRIDGE. HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS OVER THERE TODAY. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND BEFORE THE BOARD. I AM A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE UNITED BROTHER AND SISTERHOOD OF CARPENTERS AND JOINERS OF AMERICA, AND I AM SPECIFICALLY BASED OUT OF ARLINGTON LOCAL 429. THE UBC. WE ARE A COLLECTIVE OF HIGHLY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE DEVOTED TO THE ART AND CRAFT OF CARPENTRY. WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MEMBERS WHO RESIDE IN
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THIS AREA, IN THE MCKINNEY AREA, IN THE TOWNS AROUND WE. OUR MISSION GOES FAR BEYOND JUST THE MERE CONSTRUCTION. WE ALSO FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT REACHING OUT WITH THE COUNCIL AND DIFFERENT COMMUNITY EVENTS, THAT WE CAN BE A PIVOTAL ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND ENHANCEMENT OF MCKINNEY. OUR PURPOSE HERE IS NOT ONLY TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR UNION, BUT ALSO TO EXPRESS OUR ENTHUSIASM FOR OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE RESIDENTS OF MCKINNEY TO HELP BUILD A STRONGER FUTURE. AND WE KNOW IT'S A LOT OF RICH HISTORY HERE IN THE TOWN OF MCKINNEY. SO WE AS AN ORGANIZATION ARE JUST REACHING OUT TO THE COUNCIL TO EXTEND OUR HANDS, TO SHOW THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU IN FUTURE PROJECTS AND FUTURE COMMUNITY EVENTS. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS BRIEF TIME TO BE ABLE TO STEP UP TO THIS BOARD AND EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS AND IDEAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ALL[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN COURTS OF TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071. SUBPARAGRAPH TWO CONSULTATIONS WITH ATTORNEY ON ANY WORK SESSION, SPECIAL OR REGULAR SESSION. AGENDA ITEM REQUIRING CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT ADVICE NECESSITATED BY THE DELIBERATION OR DISCUSSION OF SAID ITEMS. SECTION 551071 PARAGRAPH A PENDING OR CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION. CITY OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS VERSUS. HI, LEE.SUN. HI SUNCORP USA 310 EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE IN CAUSE NUMBER 471068122024 471ST DISTRICT COURT OF COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, SECTION 551072. DELIBERATIONS ABOUT REAL PROPERTY DOWNTOWN CITY OWNED PROPERTY REDEVELOPMENT. SECTION 551087 DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MATTERS CRAIG RANCH HOTEL, LLC PROJECT HEMISPHERES AND THERE'LL BE ACTION AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE ARE ALL D. PEOPLE PROBABLY LOOK AT THIS. OKAY. ARE YOU READY FOR US? FOR A MOTION? OF COURSE. ON THE HORIZON, MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE EXTENSION ON THE
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HORIZON AGREEMENT PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.