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A. YES. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO. GOOD EVENING. IT IS 6 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF MARCH 6TH, 2025. IS IT 530? IT'S 530.
I SAY 6 P.M. YES. LET ME STEP BACK. GOOD EVENING. IT IS 6 P.M. IT'S 5:30 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF MARCH 6TH, 2025. THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT YOU ALL TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES, BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND AVOID TAKING OVERTALKING THE ISSUE. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE NON PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS? WE DO NOT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO
[CONSENT ITEMS]
THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2520 2506 MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF FEBRUARY 6TH, 2025. TRUSTING YOU ALL HAVE READ THOSE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. MOTION WAS MADE BY MARCIA. NO.OH, MADE BY MEGAN. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? IT WAS ME. MOTION WAS MADE BY BETTY. BUT DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THAT WITH ME. GO AHEAD AND SAY SECOND. OKAY. SECOND BY MEGAN ESCAMILLA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THIS ITEM HAS BEEN APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. WE
[Discuss Preservation Law]
WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 25, DASH 2507 DISCUSSION OF PRESERVATION LAW. CASSIE. CASSIE BUMGARNER WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. OR RATHER, SHE WILL MAKE US WATCH A MOVIE. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO WATCH A QUICK VIDEO FROM PRESERVATION BOOT CAMP THAT'S FROM THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. AND I JUST WANT TO READ YOU A QUICK EXCERPT FROM THEIR WEBSITE, WHICH IS WHERE I GOT THIS VIDEO. IT SAYS PRESERVATION STARTS WITH YOU AT THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE PEOPLE WORKING TO PRESERVE HISTORY AND THEIR COMMUNITIES ARE. MANY PEOPLE DOING PRESERVATION WORK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL HAVE A PASSION FOR THEIR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE AN ACADEMIC BACKGROUND IN PRESERVATION. PRESERVATION BOOT CAMP, WHICH IS THE VIDEO SERIES, WAS DESIGNED TO EQUIP THOSE PRESERVING YOUR COMMUNITY'S BUILDINGS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THE NECESSARY TOOLS. THIS EDUCATIONAL RESOURCE LEADS YOU ON A DEEP DIVE THROUGH THE ESSENTIALS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. OUR GOAL IS FOR YOU TO FEEL EMPOWERED AS A VOICE OF PRESERVATION IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND SO TONIGHT'S IS ON PRESERVATION LAW, AND IT'S ROUGHLY TEN ISH MINUTES. OKAY. OFFICIAL LAWS AS PART OF THE PRESERVATION CAMP SERIES, WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE LAWS THAT YOU WILL BE DEALING WITH REGULARLY, AS WELL AS SOME LAWS YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD OF BUT ARE NOT SURE ABOUT. THE FIRST LAW WE WILL BE DISCUSSING IS ONE THAT YOU HAVE MORE THAN LIKELY HEARD OF THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT AS A RESULT OF POST-WORLD WAR TWO URBAN RENEWAL EFFORTS, WHICH LED TO THE LOSS OF HISTORIC PLACES AND LANDSCAPES. THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT WAS PASSED TO HELP PREVENT THE FURTHER LOSS OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES BY PASSING THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT, OR THE NHPA IT ESTABLISHED. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS HAVING A ROLE IN PRESERVATION. IT ALSO CREATED THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. THE NRHP, ALSO REFERRED TO AS THE NATIONAL REGISTER. THE ADVISORY COUNCIL ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THE ACHP STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICES, ALSO KNOWN AS SHPOS, AND IT AUTHORIZED GRANTS WHICH ARE GIVEN TO STATES TO PROMOTE HISTORIC PRESERVATION EFFORTS. IN 1980, THE NHPA WAS AMENDED TO INCLUDE SECTION 106 REVIEW FOR FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, THE CLG PROGRAM, AND THE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT PROGRAM. THE NATIONAL[00:05:06]
REGISTER IS A LISTING OF HISTORIC RESOURCES REGULATED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, AND CAN INCLUDE DISTRICTS, SITES, BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES, AND OBJECTS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT IN AMERICAN HISTORY AT THE NATIONAL, STATE, AND OR LOCAL LEVEL, BEING LISTED WITHIN THIS REGISTRY IS LARGELY AN HONOR AND DOES NOT COME WITH ANY RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE TO THE PROPERTY, BUT IT DOES ALLOW ACCESS TO TAX CREDIT BENEFITS AND ALLOWS REGISTRY AT THE STATE OR LOCAL LEVEL TO BE EASIER. IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, THERE ARE CERTAIN CRITERIA TO BE MET. ONE OF THE FIRST ONES TO MEET IS THAT THE PROPERTY MUST BE OLDER THAN 50 YEARS. ANYTHING YOUNGER THAN 50 YEARS IS NOT CONSIDERED HISTORIC AND IS ESSENTIALLY TOO NEW TO BE LISTED. ONCE THE 50 YEAR THRESHOLD IS MET, WE NEXT USE THE CRITERIA FOR EVALUATION TO DETERMINE THE RESOURCES. SIGNIFICANCE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT NOT EVERY RESOURCE OVER 50 YEARS WILL GET LISTED TO HELP BETTER DETERMINE SIGNIFICANCE, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PUT TOGETHER THE CRITERIA FOR EVALUATION. THIS HELPS US TO DETERMINE HOW THE PROPERTY IS SIGNIFICANT. CRITERIA A IS ABOUT ASSOCIATION WITH AN EVENT. THIS CAN BE A LARGE, WELL-KNOWN EVENT SUCH AS THE CIVIL WAR BATTLEGROUND SITE OR SOMETHING LOCAL, SUCH AS AN IMPORTANT INDUSTRIAL PLANT. CRITERIA B IS ABOUT A RESOURCES ASSOCIATION WITH A PERSON. THIS IS MOST OFTEN A HOUSE THAT THEY LIVED A LARGE PORTION OF THEIR LIFE IN, SUCH AS GEORGE WASHINGTON'S MOUNT VERNON, OR IT COULD BE AN OFFICE SUCH AS A LAW FIRM, WHERE A PROMINENT COMMUNITY MEMBER WORKS. CRITERIA C IS ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. ARCHITECTURE CAN GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE UNITED STATES GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE WE WANT TO PROTECT AT THE NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVELS. NATIONAL REGISTER PROPERTIES ARE ONES THAT ARE EITHER A PROMINENT STYLE OR A WELL-KNOWN ARCHITECT. THE LAST CRITERIA, D, IS FOR ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES THAT CAN HELP INFORM US ABOUT PREHISTORY OR HISTORY. THIS IS ONE WE DO NOT SEE VERY OFTEN, BUT IT IS JUST AS IMPORTANT. ONE FINAL NOTE HERE WHEN FOCUSING ON SIGNIFICANCE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO CONSIDER INTEGRITY. THE PROPERTY MIGHT BE SIGNIFICANT, BUT IF THERE IS NOT ENOUGH INTEGRITY REMAINING, THEN IT IS NOT ELIGIBLE. WHAT WE MEAN BY THIS IS THAT IF A PROPERTY IS CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT UNDER CRITERIA B FOR ARCHITECTURE, BUT DOES NOT HAVE ANY ORIGINAL MATERIAL, THEN IT DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH INTEGRITY TO BE ELIGIBLE. WHEN CONSIDERING ELIGIBILITY, REMEMBER THE PHRASE MUST HAVE ENOUGH INTEGRITY TO CONVEY SIGNIFICANCE. NOW WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS A LAW THAT CAN PROTECT PROPERTIES AFTER THEY ARE LISTED, AND EVEN PROPERTIES NOT YET LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. SECTION 106 REVIEW. SECTION 106 REVIEW IS TRIGGERED WHENEVER A FEDERAL UNDERTAKING OCCURS. A FEDERAL UNDERTAKING HAPPENS WHEN EITHER MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT IS USED OR A PERMIT, LICENSE, OR APPROVAL FROM THE GOVERNMENT IS NEEDED.SO WHAT IS SECTION ONE OR REVIEW YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING? IT'S A FOUR STEP PROCESS THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED WHEN, AS MENTIONED, A FEDERAL UNDERTAKING IS OCCURRING. ONCE A PROJECT IS DEEMED A FEDERAL UNDERTAKING, THE FOUR STEP REVIEW PROCESS MUST BE INITIATED. ONE OF THE MOST COMMON EXAMPLES WOULD BE THE EXPANSION OF ROADWAYS. ANYTIME A ROAD IS EXPANDED, SAY FROM 2 TO 4 LANES, THE AREA ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CURRENT ROAD THAT WILL BE DUG UP NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED TO IDENTIFY ANY HISTORIC PROPERTIES. TO DETERMINE AN OPTION WITH MINIMAL OR NO IMPACT. THE FIRST STEP IN THIS PROCESS IS TO DETERMINE UNDERTAKING. IF IT IS NOT FEDERAL, THEN THE REVIEW IS DONE AND THE PROJECT CAN PROCEED. IF IT IS FEDERAL, THEN YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEP. THE NEXT STEP IS TO DETERMINE OR IDENTIFY THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS KNOWN AS APP OR AREA OF POTENTIAL EFFECT. THIS HELPS TO DETERMINE THE AREA TO LOOK AT FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES. THIS MIGHT INCLUDE ALREADY PROTECTED PROPERTIES SUCH AS THOSE LOCALLY DESIGNATED OR ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, BUT IT MIGHT ALSO INCLUDE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED IF THERE ARE UNPROTECTED PROPERTIES THAT FALL INTO THE APP, THEN THEY
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NEED TO BE EVALUATED TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY. NEXT, THE ADVERSE EFFECTS NEEDED TO REVIE.SINCE AN UNDERTAKING MAY ALTER CHARACTERISTICS THAT QUALIFY THE PROPERTY FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OR DIMINISH A PROPERTY'S INTEGRITY, EFFORTS NEED TO BE MADE TO SEE IF THESE EFFECTS CAN BE PREVENTED. THIS WILL REQUIRE CONSULTING WITH SHPOS ANY NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE BODIES, AND THE PUBLIC TO TRY TO FIND ALTERNATIVES TO THE IMPACTS ON THE IDENTIFIED HISTORIC PROPERTIES. ONCE THE ADVERSE EFFECTS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED, THE FINAL STEP IN THE PROCESS, THEN THE PROJECT CAN PROCEED AS PART OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, THERE IS A SUBSECTION OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE REFERRED TO AND LISTED AS NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS. NHLS ARE NATIONAL REGISTER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE EXCEPTIONAL VALUE AND NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE. THIS DESIGNATION IS MUCH HARDER TO ACHIEVE THAN OTHER NATIONAL REGISTER PROPERTIES, SO MUCH SO THAT IN TEXAS THERE ARE ONLY 47IN NHLS. SOME OF THEM INCLUDE DALEY PLAZA HISTORIC DISTRICT IN DALLAS, WHERE PRESIDENT KENNEDY WAS ASSASSINATED, PRESIDENT LYNDON B JOHNSON'S BOYHOOD HOME IN JOHNSON CITY, AND THE LUCAS GUSHER AT SPINDLETOP OIL FIELD AND JEFFERSON COUNTY. NEPA WAS PASSED IN ORDER TO FURTHER PRESERVE THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. SIMILAR TO SECTION 106, NEPA IS MAINLY PROCEDURAL AND JUST REQUIRES FEDERAL AGENCIES TO ASSESS THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT PRIOR TO BEGINNING IT. NEPA PROTECTED PROPERTIES INCLUDE ALL THE RESOURCES WITHIN HISTORICAL AND SPIRITUAL PLACES SUCH AS CULTURAL LANDS, ANIMALS, PLANTS, WATER, AND AIR. IT ALSO PRESERVES AREAS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, SUCH AS ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES, SHIPWRECKS, SUBMERGED AIRCRAFTS, NATIVE AMERICAN GRAVES AND ITEMS, AND ANYTHING RELATING TO LIFE. FOR EXAMPLE, ANY WORK BEING DONE WITHIN BIG BEND NATIONAL PARK AND ON ANY SHIPWRECKS SUCH AS THE LABELLE AND MATAGORDA BAY, WOULD REQUIRE NEPA REVIEW. IN SECTION FOUR, F WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED. IT WAS UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ACT OF 1966, BUT HAS SINCE BEEN CODIFIED. PROPERTY TYPES THAT ARE PROTECTED UNDER SECTION FOUR F INCLUDE PUBLIC PARKS, RECREATION AREAS, AND WILDLIFE, AND WILD FOWL SANCTUARIES THAT ARE PUBLICLY OWNED, USED BY THE PUBLIC, AND ARE SIGNIFICANT, AS WELL AS PROPERTIES ON THE NRHP.
IT ALSO APPLIES TO PRIVATELY OWNED LAND THAT IS WITHIN A HISTORIC SITE. IF A PROJECT IS BEING COMPLETED ON ONE OF THESE TYPES OF PROPERTIES BY A US DOT AGENCY. SECTION FOUR F IS TRIGGERED AND THE PROJECT MUST RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
THE GOAL OF REVIEWING THESE PROJECTS IS TO PREVENT ANY IMPACTS ON THE RESOURCES. IF THERE IS NO IMPACT OR A MINOR ONE, THEN THE PROJECT CAN CONTINUE. BUT IF A LARGER IMPACT IS DETERMINED TO OCCUR, THEN AN ADVANCED EVALUATION MUST FOLLOW TO TRY TO PREVENT ANY MAJOR HAPPENINGS. IF YOU ARE WANTING TO DELVE FURTHER INTO THE TOPIC OF PRESERVATION LAW, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THESE TWO BOOKS, CULTURAL RESOURCE LAWS AND PRACTICE BY THOMAS F KING IS A REALLY GOOD BOOK THAT EXPLAINS ALL THE LAWS WE HAVE COVERED HERE AS WELL AS OTHERS, AND IS VERY DETAILED. ANOTHER GREAT SOURCE IS THE FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAWS HANDBOOK, PUT TOGETHER BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO TONS OF FREE RESOURCES AVAILABLE ONLINE THAT HELP GIVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE LAWS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH ARE PLENTIFUL. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR JOINING ME. WHILE WE DISCUSSED PRESERVATION LAWS. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LAWS I DISCUSSED OR ANY THAT I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO LORELAI OR MYSELF AT OUR CONTACT INFORMATION HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CASSIDY? ABOUT WHAT? WE'VE JUST BEEN EDUCATED ON? SO HOW MUCH? HOW MANY OF THOSE LAWS PLAY INTO YOUR DAILY.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE MOSTLY NATIONAL, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT SO WE GET A LOT OF OUR AUTHORITY FROM THE NATIONAL LAWS. THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT IS THE OBVIOUSLY THE THING THAT GIVES ALL OF THE AUTHORITY THAT TRICKLES DOWN TO EVEN TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO DO THAT.
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SOMETHING I ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THIS VIDEO FOR US IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN PAST MEETINGS, WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF A LITTLE BIT ADDRESSED IN THIS.SO LIKE SIGNIFICANCE, INTEGRITY, HOW DO YOU FIND THINGS SIGNIFICANT? IS AGE RELATED OR IS IT NOT? ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS KIND OF COME UP AND THEY'RE ALL RELATED BACK TO THESE NATIONAL LAWS. SO IT'S THOSE THOSE FOUR POINTS, THE ASSOCIATION, THE PEOPLE, ARCHITECTURE AND ARCHEOLOGY BASICALLY I GUESS RIGHT. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF BASIS FOR SIGNIFICANCE. SO IN OUR IN OUR ORDINANCES, OR AT LEAST IN THE ORDINANCE THAT APPLIES THE HPA AB, IT, IT REALLY JUST TALKS ABOUT SIGNIFICANCE, RIGHT. WHETHER IT'S DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR, IF YOU'RE GOING FOR A, A NATIONAL OR RECOGNIZED AS A CITY HISTORIC BUILDING, IT REFERS US BACK. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE INTEGRITY AS WELL AS THE SIGNIFICANCE.
RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TOM, WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT YOU JUST ASKED HER ABOUT OUR ORDINANCES. WELL, SO OUR ORDINANCES, I MEAN, I WAS THINKING MORE IN IN LINE WITH SO GETTING THE EXEMPTION FROM THE CITY FOR HAVING HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR HISTORIC BUILDING.
IT REALLY IT JUST TALKS ABOUT SIGNIFICANCE, BE IT PEOPLE ARCHITECTURE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT ELSE IT SAYS, BUT I THINK IT TOUCHES ON ALL FOUR OF THOSE THINGS EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ARCHEOLOGY OR THE DATA, THE DIRT. OKAY. THEN I WANT TO CLARIFY. SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS THEN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU CAN BE DESIGNATED AS A CITY KIND OF LANDMARK, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION PROCESS THAN WHAT IS OUR CITY MARKER PROCESS. THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT. THE PROGRAM, YOU ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE SIGNIFICANCE. IT'S ABOUT DOCUMENTING THE PROPERTY AND GETTING THE HISTORY OF IT. OKAY. BUT IT DOES HAVE TO HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANCE, DOES IT NOT? NO. TO BE PART OF THE PROGRAM, YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARY AND THE AGE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DO THE RESEARCH ON THE PROPERTY. IF YOU FIND OUT THAT IT'S A VERNACULAR HOME THAT'S HAD ORDINARY PEOPLE LIVE IN IT THE ENTIRE TIME, WITH NO KIND OF OUTSTANDING SIGNIFICANCE, YOU COULD STILL GET AN HAS. THE CASSIE, DOESN'T THE INTEGRITY COME IN QUITE A BIT LIKE HOW MUCH IT'S BEEN CHANGED? AND IF IT STILL REFLECTS THE ORIGINAL HOME. SO WE WOULD WANT THAT DOCUMENTED. BUT IF WE'RE STILL KEEPING THE HISTORIC HOME, THEN I KNOW THAT WAS THE THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS WHERE SOME OF THOSE HOUSES BEING DEMOLISHED. WHEN PAULA WAS HERE, SHE TALKED ABOUT WE HAD A LOT OF VICTORIAN FOLK, SO SHE DIDN'T THINK THAT THE INTEGRITY WAS THERE. AND SO THAT THAT BECAME A CRITERIA FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION. YEAH. AND THEN SO THAT'S DIFFERENT. SO THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. WE DO DEFINITELY LOOK AT INTEGRITY AS WELL AS SIGNIFICANCE. BUT THAT PLAYED INTO THE DEMOLITION TOO FOR THE RECOMMENDATION. YES. SO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CAN BE FOR DEMOLITION. IT CAN BE FOR ADDITIONS. ANY OF THAT. THEY'RE ALL FALL UNDER THAT REVIEW PROCESS. I KNOW SHE SAID THERE ARE ONLY 47 NHL. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN MCKINNEY. IS THAT IS THE HOUSE THE SURREY HOUSE IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, IS IT NOT? SO THAT'S DIFFERENT. A NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK IS DIFFERENT THAN ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. WE DON'T HAVE ANY NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, IN MCKINNEY, BUT I THINK SHE CITED WHAT THE LYNDON B JOHNSON HOUSE WAS AN NHL, I BELIEVE. SO THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT BIG BEN SPINDLETOP. YEAH, ALL OF THOSE. OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO, TOM, WHAT IS THE SURREY HOUSE? WHAT IS THE. IT'S THE DESIGNATION OF THE SURREY HOUSE. IT'S AN IT'S ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC HOMES, I THINK. RIGHT.
I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY, WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE
[BOARD AND STAFF COMMENTS]
AGENDA? IT APPEARS WE DO NOT. DO THE BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF HAVE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS? MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU ARE WELCOME TO ASK IT. I WOULD LIKE TO QUESTION IF THE BOARD MIGHT CONSIDER THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IS BEFORE US AT THIS TIME, AND THAT WE ARE[00:20:01]
ENTERING A NEW FACILITY AND WE ARE WALKING AWAY AT THIS POINT FROM THE MORE DISTANT OLD CITY HALL, THE OLD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING AND THE OLD WYSONG HOSPITAL, FORMER SITE NOW PARKING LOT IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. AND I SEE THIS IN PERHAPS IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT HAVING STEPPED AWAY FROM THAT INTO THIS NICE NEW FACILITY THAT WE HAVE HERE AND APPRECIATIVE OF THAT FACT THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER THE IMPORTANCE OF LOOKING BACK AT WHAT HAPP&NS IN THOSE LOCATIONS, MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT HAVING GROWN UP IN MCKINNEY, AT ONE TIME, WE HAD FIVE GROCERY STORES, THREE BANKS, AND A SAVINGS AND LOAN DOWNTOWN, NUMEROUS DEPARTMENT STORES, THREE PHARMACIES AND OTHER FACILITIES WHICH BESPEAK OF AN OPERATIVE DOWNTOWN AREA.SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE HAD DEVELOPMENT OCCUR. LOTS OF CAPITAL SPENT ON CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY, AND THE RECOGNITION OF DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SURROUNDING IT AS AS A WONDERFUL ASSET. AND IDENTIFIABLE. AND RECOGNIZABLE SIGNATURE OF WHAT MCKINNEY IS ABOUT. AS WE STEP AWAY, REALIZING IN THE PAST THE CITY HAS DELEGATED THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LEFT BEHIND TO STAFF AND OTHER MEMBERS WHO HAVE TRIED TO INSPIRE DEVELOPERS TO DO SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT.
CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC NATURE OF MCKINNEY. I STILL STILL SEE THE DEARTH OF FACILITIES THROUGH ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS ON PUBLIC LAND, TO CREATE SOME OF THESE MISSING FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED. I MERELY BRING UP THE POINT, NOT AS A COMPLAINT, BUT AS AN OPPORTUNITY OF REALIZATION THAT WE, AS A BOARD, MIGHT FUNCTION TO INSPIRE AND PERHAPS BRING RECOGNITION TO THE FACT THAT THESE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS WE COULD BE DOING, RATHER THAN SEEING IT COME ACROSS OUR TABLE AS AN ACCOMPLISHED FACT. TO TRY TO INSPIRE FURTHER THOUGHT AND ONGOING DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW IN MOST DEVELOPMENTS THAT I HAVE WORKED IN AS A PLANNER AND AN ARCHITECT, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES RELINQUISHING THE PROPERTY HAVE OFTEN HAD DEED RESTRICTIONS OR OTHER FORMER OWNER CONTRACT AGREEMENTS WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WITH THE PROPERTY. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE CITY MIGHT ADOPT SOME OF THESE ASPECTS WITHOUT RESTRICTING THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IN VISITING WITH DOCTOR BRAD WYSONG TODAY, THAT THE WYSONG HOSPITAL LOCATION IS THE NAMESAKE FOR OUR CENTRAL FIRE STATION, THE WYSONG BLOCK FIRE STATION DOWNTOWN. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT INSPIRE US TO LOOK AT THAT BLOCK IN A WHOLE NEW LIGHT. IF WE RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY THAT'S HERE. THREE GENERATIONS OF DOCTORS WHO WERE ON PAR WITH THE MAYO BROTHERS IN MINNESOTA IS NOTHING TO BE SNEEZED AT. AND YET THEY'RE ALL VANISHED. OTHER THAN BRAD STILL OPERATING AT THIS TIME. AS A PERSON WHO GREW UP IN MCKINNEY, I SEE WHAT WE'VE LOST. I SEE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REGAIN SOME IDENTITY, AND I THINK IT ENRICHES THE LIFE OF THE CITY TO DO THESE THINGS, TO BE AWARE OF IT AND TO INSPIRE THE KINDS OF WORK THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE OF THE TOWN. I KNOW WITH THE DAVIS BLOCK WE HAD ASPIRATIONS THAT IT MIGHT BE REALLY BEAUTIFUL. AND I THINK WITH THE APARTMENTS ON THE WEST SIDE OF US HERE, WE HAD HOPES THAT IT WOULD BE PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT I THINK NOT TO GROUSE, BUT TO SAY LET'S NOT LOSE OPPORTUNITIES IN THESE PUBLIC PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMING. AND AS A BOARD, PERHAPS, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THIS IN THE FUTURE TO SEE MORE POSITIVE THINGS BE DONE AND TO INSPIRE WORK THAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WELL, THANK YOU, JAMES, FOR YOUR COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, TO BE CLEAR, I THINK IT WOULD BE VALUABLE. AND I KNOW HOW INVOLVED YOU ARE, CASSIE, IN THE WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON DOWNTOWN OR THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS TAKING CARE OF. BUT TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER ANY OF THAT. BUT I THINK THE RESIDENTS DO LOOK TOWARDS US TO BE PROTECTORS, IF YOU WILL, OF, OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SO, AS I SAID, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO ANY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LATEST IS ON THAT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING INTERESTING FOR US TO REVIEW OR AT LEAST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED. AND CERTAINLY THE CITY I THINK, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN MAKING SURE THAT THE CITIZENS ARE INVOLVED IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS THEY'VE
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HAD. THEY'VE BEEN COMMUNICATIVE, THEY'VE HAD TOWN HALLS, THEY'VE ASKED FOR INPUT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT. BECAUSE THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO BE MARKETABLE TO PEOPLE. BUT IT MIGHT BE VALUABLE FOR US AS A BOARD TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE THEY ARE, WHAT THEIR THINKING IS, IF THAT'S NOT ALREADY ON THE DOCKET FOR CITY COUNCIL IN THE NEAR FUTURE. OKAY, I'LL LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IT KIND OF BRINGS BACK THE ICE HOUSE, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW. AND I THINK IT JUST COMES BRINGS UP THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET TO HAVE A SAY ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, A DECISION MADE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY MAYBE TO HANDLE ALL OF THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S COME UP BEFORE MANY TIMES THAT WE KIND OF GET TOLD ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AFTER IT'S TOO LATE TO ADVOCATE FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A REALLY GREAT POINT, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE PURPOSE OF US BEING ON THIS BOARD IS TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR CITY, SO THAT WE CAN WORK TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY AND THE CULTURE OF OUR OF OUR CITY. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT HAPPENS QUITE A BIT, WHERE WE JUST COME TO A MEETING AND FIND OUT THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED, OR THIS IS GOING TO BE BUILT HERE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A HEADS UP ON THINGS LIKE THAT. NOT TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN IT OR BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THOSE THINGS, BUT I THINK HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE. PREPARATION WOULD BE HELPFUL. YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT THE LIBRARY BECAUSE THE HELEN HALL LIBRARY IS ABOUT TO BE REDONE AND, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, I'M I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE MISSED IT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU'VE HAD YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT'S GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE LOOKS OF IT ALSO. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT, MEGAN. IF, IF WE I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE INPUT ON IT, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO MAYBE UTILIZE US AS COMMUNICATING WHAT'S GOING ON. AND, YOU KNOW, GOOD POINT. AND I AGREE WITH BETTY ON THAT POINT TOO, BECAUSE THAT JUST SEEMED TO ALL OF A SUDDEN KIND OF POP UP.I'M SURE IT'S BEEN I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS, BUT MAYBE JUST COMMUNICATING THINGS LIKE THAT TO US. AND I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, THAT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHEN THEY WERE CREATING THE PLAN FOR THE CITY HALL. WE WERE INVOLVED IN THE TRIBUTE, SO TO SPEAK, FOR THE ICE HOUSE. I DON'T I THINK WE NEED TO BE UPDATED ON WHAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OVER THERE. AND I DO ALSO THINK WE NEED TO BE UPDATED ON WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON THE DISPLAY BOARDS OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL, WHICH WE WERE ORIGINALLY TOLD WE WERE GOING TO GIVE MORE FEEDBACK ON. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GIVING THEM INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE BOARDS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN CONSULTED ANY MORE THAN THE INITIAL PHASE WHERE THEY WERE TELLING US THEIR IDEA AND THEIR CONCEPTION FOR THAT AREA AS AS WELL AS THAT LITTLE AREA THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HONORING THE ICE HOUSE AND THE BLOCKS THERE, THEY COULDN'T USE THE ORIGINAL BLOCKS, I GUESS, BECAUSE THEY HAD HOOKS IN THEM. SO THAT'S WHAT THE CONCRETE IS. I DID FIND THAT OUT. THEY HAVE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL BRICKS, BUT ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY KIND OF LIKE CLEANED UP. AND THAT'S ALL THAT I SEE. THAT'S EVEN GIVING A NOD TO THE ICE HOUSE. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE AN UPDATE ON THAT. OKAY. I'M NOTATING ALL OF THEM. YEAH. I'M JUST I'VE GOT A RUNNING LIST OF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS. AND I THINK I THINK IN THE EXCITEMENT OF GETTING CITY HALL DONE, IT PROBABLY GOT PUSHED TO THE, YOU KNOW, BACK A LITTLE BIT. BUT I, I DO THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF PRESS FORWARD ON THAT. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRUST OUR CITY TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR HISTORIC STUFF AS WE DO. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN THIS BOARD WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE A MARK ON ANYTHING. BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T RESPECT OUR
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THOUGHTS, FEELINGS AND IDEAS AND PASSIONS, THEN WE PROBABLY ARE WASTING OUR TIME. WITH PEOPLE. I THINK WE'RE FORTUNATE, AT LEAST FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THAT CITY COUNCIL IS VERY OPEN TO DISCUSSION. I'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUE WITH ANYBODY FROM THE MAYOR DOWN IN TERMS OF GETTING A CONVERSATION, WHETHER IT BE BY TEXT OR IN PERSON OVER THE PHONE TO DISCUSS THESE TYPE OF THINGS.AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO JERRY OR PATRICK OR JUSTIN, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY ISSUES YOU MAY HAVE OR THINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S ULTIMATELY THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO REPRESENT ALL OF US. WE DO HAVE A SAY IN THESE THINGS. WE JUST DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL SAY IN THESE THINGS, WHICH IF WE HAD POWER AS A BOARD ALONG THOSE LINES. WELL, YES. AND WE MIGHT HAVE A SPECIAL SAY. BUT AND I THINK, I THINK WE'VE PRESSED IN A LITTLE BIT, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO THEM AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT THE ICE HOUSE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW SOME PATIENCE THAT THE BOARD WAS GOING TO BE PATIENT AND LET THE PROCESS UNFOLD. BUT I THINK NOW THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY HERE AND WE'RE HAVING MEETINGS, I THINK THE TIME IS I THINK IT'S TIME WE'VE BEEN UPDATED. AND I HAVE TALKED TO JUSTIN AND I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE. I SEE SOME IMAGES ON THE GLASS OF HISTORIC THINGS. BUT YOU KNOW, LET'S I WANT I WANT TO SEE WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO HAPPEN OUT THERE. AND THOSE THE BOARDS HAVE BEEN EMPTY NOW FOR SINCE I FIRST VISITED ABOUT A MONTH AGO. SO LET'S SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? JAMES, YOU STARTED ALL OF THIS. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. IT'S JUST HOW TO GO FORWARD. AND IN MY MIND, I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BEING WITH YOU WONDERFUL PEOPLE. AND IF THERE'S A WORK SESSION INVOLVED IN THIS, I'M. I'M VOLUNTEERING TO BE THERE BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO BE DISCUSSED. MAYBE OUTSIDE REGULAR MEETING TIME. I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN YOU WITH IT, BUT WE THERE'S A LOT TO BE DISCUSSED, I THINK, AND I'D LIKE TO HOPE TO THINK WE COULD GO FORWARD IN THAT WAY. WELL, AND I THINK TOO, JAMES, WITH THE, WITH THE BOARDS OUT THERE, I THINK AT ONE POINT, THE LEGACY, THE LEGACY ASSOCIATION. RIGHT, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET SOME HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THAT AS WELL. AND I YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT EVERYBODY'S EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEW DIGS AND THAT'S THAT'S VERY, VERY UNDERSTANDABLE. BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN PEOPLE WITH GOOD INTENTIONS CAN KIND OF FORGET ABOUT THINGS. AND SO I THINK WE'VE BEEN PATIENT AND WE'VE WATCHED IT UNFOLD. AND NOW THAT WE'RE HERE AND HAVING MEETINGS, I THINK NOW IT'S TIME TO SAY, OKAY, NOW WHERE'S WHERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OUR HISTORY? HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE REPRESENTED? AND ARE WE STILL GOING TO TAG IN WITH ALL OF THESE WONDERFUL COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO GIVE FEEDBACK AND HELP WITH THIS? SO LET'S LET'S GET THAT ROLLING. I CONSIDER COMMUNITIES AROUND IN THIS AREA WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND WHAT HASN'T BEEN DONE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE DONE ALL THAT GREAT. WE'RE TRYING REAL HARD. I KNOW I THINK OF WILEY AND I THINK OF OTHER TOWNS THAT HAVE DONE THINGS, AND I THINK MCKINNEY HAS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME SPECIAL THINGS. AT THE SAME TIME, I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE, BUT I THINK IT HELPS TO BE AHEAD IN THE CONVERSATION, BOTH ESTHETICALLY, MORALLY AND HISTORICALLY ABOUT WHAT GOES FORWARD. AND I WANT TO ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THAT. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL. I KNOW THAT AND ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, THE CITY HAS NOW IN ITS OWNERSHIP, THERE MAY BE A STEWARDSHIP THAT GIVES THEM A WAY, US A WAY, THE CITY FATHERS, A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT GOES IN ITS PLACE OR IS PART OF THE RESTORATION REMODEL OF WHAT'S THERE THAT FITS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING THE AREA, AS WELL AS THE HISTORIC TOWN? I THINK SOUTHLAKE HAS MADE SOME EFFORTS TO MAKE ITS OWN ENVIRONMENT VERY COMPATIBLE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY STANDARDS THAT COME CLOSE TO THAT, BUT I'M SAYING MAYBE WE CAN DO BETTER IN SOME OTHER WAYS. LET'S CONTINUE DISCUSSING IT IF WE CAN, PLEASE.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? YOUR HAND WORN OUT YET, CASSIE? NOT YET. YOU CAN KEEP GOING. AND I WOULD IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ICE HOUSE AREA AND THE OTHER AREA, HAVE A LOOK ON YOUR WAY OUT TO AND JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S THERE AND
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SEE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO REPRESENT SOME OF THE HISTORY.IF WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT. WELL, OKAY. THAT'S GREAT FEEDBACK AND GREAT INFORMATION. AND I'M ALMOST CERTAIN THAT ALL OF CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, IS PROBABLY WATCHING THIS ON VIDEO BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO. AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL THEY WILL TAKE ALL OF THIS.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT AS WELL TO I MEAN, DON'T IT'S NOT JUST WHAT WE TALK ABOUT HERE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED OR YOU HAVE IDEAS, THEN REACH OUT TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVE. REACH OUT TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT'S VALUABLE. AND YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULDN'T THEY SHOULDN'T BE ISOLATED. THEY SHOULDN'T LIVE IN A, IN A, IN A BUBBLE AND NOT GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT. WELL, YEAH. AND I THINK THAT SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO MAKE THIS LONGER, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS NOT AS AS WE SERVE ON THE HPA AB. THAT DOESN'T JUST MEAN WE COME TO A MEETING AND, AND VOTE ON A FEW THINGS AND THEN GO HOME. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE KIND OF A BIGGER ROLE. AND SO THAT'S WHY I ASK, YOU KNOW, THAT WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN USE THAT THIS SEAT THAT WE HAVE TO INFORM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LEARNING, AND TAKE THAT FURTHER TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND USE OUR SEAT HERE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY, AND WE DO TO SOME EXTENT REPRESENT THE PEOPLE IN THE HISTORIC AREA AS WELL. YEAH, WELL, TWO OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES ARE GOING TO BE AT OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES. YEP. THE BEVEL HOUSE.
DOCTOR FELTUS AND JUSTIN BELL ARE GOING TO BE THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS PLANNING. I WAS GOING TO GO WHEN I LEAVE HERE. WE WERE GOING TO I'M GOING TO GO OVER THERE. SO IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. I APPRECIATE THEM BEING THERE AND DOING THAT. YEP.
ALL RIGHT. WELL. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? I MOVE. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING THAT ISAAC MAKES THE MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. JOHANNA.
SECONDS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAKE SURE THAT YOU ENTER. YEAH. YOU WERE IN THE MOVER. I KNOW IT CAN. WE? SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNMUTE IT. JOHANNA, YOU HAVE TO JUST. OKAY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. WHO MADE WHO MADE THE FIRST MOTION I DID. GOT IT. WE GOT IT. OKAY. SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.