Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “BG” - General Business District to “PD” - Planned Development District, Located at 500 W University Drive, and Accompanying Ordinance

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “BG” - General Business District to “PD” - Planned Development District, Located at 500 W University Drive, and Accompanying Ordinance]

YOU. MOTION PASSES. REGULAR AGENDA AND PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA CONSISTS OF ITEMS REQUIRING INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL. AND THE FIRST ITEM IS 2401463. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ACT ON A REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM BG GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, LOCATED AT 500 WEST UNIVERSITY DRIVE. EVENING COUNCIL KATE STRICKLAND, PLANNING MANAGER WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE MURPHY GAS STATION REZONE THAT WE SAW AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WAS TABLED IN FRONT OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY UPDATED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. YOU'LL SEE A RED LINE COPY. THE APPLICANT WENT BACK, TALKED WITH THE CITIZENS NEARBY AND DISCUSSED THE ANY KIND OF PROPOSALS THEY COULD DO. YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY HAVE NOW ADDED A SCREENING SECTION, WHICH WILL REQUIRE AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL ALONG ANY PROPERTY LINE THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE BACK WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. STAFF IS STILL NOT SUPPORTIVE DUE TO THE CHANGES IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. IF THE APPLICANT COULD COME UP. HI, MY NAME IS PAUL GRIFFIN. I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THIS FUEL STATION TO BE PUT AT THE CORNER OF COLLEGE STREET. AND SO PAUL IV RIGHT NOW CALLED FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU OPPOSITION. NO, BUT THE APPLICANT WOULD PLEASE SPEAK FIRST. GOOD EVENING. JEFF TUCKER, 1321 BERKSHIRE LANE, PROSPER, TEXAS. AGAIN HERE FROM THE TABLED CONVERSATION LAST WEEK HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND CERTAINLY APPRECIATED THAT OPPORTUNITY. TO SPEAK WITH THEM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, YOU KNOW, RAISING THE MASONRY WALL FROM 6FT TO 8FT, WHICH WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO, AND THOUGHT WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS. AND AGAIN, JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE. NOW, FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT AWARE, THERE WEREN'T HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. THIS ITEM CAME BEFORE WE TABLED IT. WE ASKED THE DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK OUT. THEY HAD ALREADY DONE WHAT WAS REQUIRED. THEY POSTED EVERYTHING CORRECTLY. THEY SPOKE TO RESIDENTS ALL WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS THAT

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ACTUALLY THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SPEAK TO THEM. BUT THEY DID. WE HAD A PETITION SIGNED BY RESIDENTS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THAT 400, 450FT, QUITE, QUITE A DISTANCE AWAY. WE ASKED THEM TO ENGAGE WITH THOSE RESIDENTS. I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL DID THAT. I KNOW THAT YOU MADE THE EFFORT. I WAS COPIED ON A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE OF MEETINGS AND JUST COMMUNICATION, TRYING TO SPEAK TO EVERYBODY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW THE COUNCIL, I SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL WHEN WE SAY WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT YOU DID THAT. IT ALSO APPEARS THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCESSIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE. THINGS ARE NOT REQUIRED, BUT THAT YOU ARE OFFERING TO DO SO. WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND I'M SURE ALTHOUGH I KNOW WE DO HAVE SOME OPPOSITION BECAUSE A GENTLEMAN ALREADY STARTED TO SPEAK, THAT I IMAGINE YOU DID SATISFY AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE.

AND, AND, AND THAT WOULD THAT CERTAINLY SPEAKS TO YOUR EFFORTS. WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS GOES TONIGHT. BUT THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE EFFORT THAT YOU DID. THANK YOU. ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. NOT NOW. OKAY. SO WE SCOTT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK OR. NO. AS YOU SAID, WE DID MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS. WE APPRECIATE YOU KNOW, YOU ALL MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION. IT WAS VERY, YOU KNOW, INSIGHTFUL. THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME UP IN THAT CONVERSATION. JUSTIN BELLER, COUNCILMAN BELLER WAS FANTASTIC.

HE REALLY SPEARHEADED THE MEETING. SOME OF THESE WERE OUTSIDE OF OUR ASK IN OUR AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT. OTHERS WERE YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL SOME OPPOSED TO THE USE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE. BUT ALL IN ALL, PRODUCTIVE. AND JUSTIN REALLY WANT TO THANK HIM BECAUSE HE, YOU KNOW, HE SPENT A GOOD HOUR AND A HALF MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS AND WE GOT A LOT OUT OF THE MEETING. THAT'S IN MY CASE. AND IN FUTURE STUFF WITH THE CITY. SO WERE THERE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ADDED SECURITY CAMERAS AND INCREASED SECURITY AND CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH YOUR ORGANIZATION? YEAH. AND YOU COME ON UP IF YOU DON'T MIND. THERE WAS DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. AND JEFF CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE. IN ESSENCE THERE THE SECURITY SYSTEM WITH THE CAMERAS. I DON'T REMEMBER YOU TOLD ME 36 CAMERAS. WE CAN PUT UP TO 30 IN OUR TYPICAL STORE.

WE DON'T DO IT IN EVERY LOCATION, BUT IN THIS LOCATION, WE'RE WILLING TO DO UP TO THE 30 CAMERAS TO HELP OUT HOWEVER WE CAN. WE? WE VERY RARELY HAVE LESS THAN ONE PERSON STAFFED OR, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN TWO PEOPLE STAFFED IN THE STORE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT TRAINING THAT WE GO THROUGH. I MENTIONED IN THE MEETING THAT WE'RE A CORPORATE OPERATION, AND SO WE HOLD OUR STAFF TO A VERY HIGH STANDARD. THEY CAN'T ACTUALLY WORK STANDARD SHIFTS UNTIL THEY COMPLETE THIS TRAINING. AND PART OF THAT IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY ON SAFETY AND SECURITY ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE, AND GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THAT. IN THE ESSENCE, 7-ELEVEN ARE FRANCHISED, MURPHY'S NOT FRANCHISED. SO THIS THESE ARE ALL CORPORATE STORES. THE THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE PUT IN PLACE ARE FOLLOWED THROUGHOUT ALL THE STORES TODAY. YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO 7-ELEVEN, YOU GO TO SOME OF THE OTHER OPERATORS OUT THERE. THEY THEY HAVE A SET OF RULES, BUT THEY CAN VARY FROM THEM. THE GOOD NEWS HERE IS THAT THIS IS ONE SET SET OF RULES, AND IT'S STANDARDIZED THROUGHOUT THE CORPORATION. SINCE SECURITY CAMERAS ARE BROUGHT UP, THERE ARE, I WOULD IMAGINE, SOME SECURITY CAMERAS OUTSIDE AS WELL. YES. YEAH. AND THERE'S INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE. YES. I DROVE BY THERE. CURRENTLY I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY CAMERAS. IS THERE A CAMERAS THAT. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. NOT THAT COULD BE SEEN. SO THERE'S NO SECURITY CAMERAS NOW? NOT LIT UP. MATTER OF FACT, SEEMS TO BE DORMANT. VACANT? IS THAT THE STATE OF THAT BUILDING? NO. THERE'S A COUPLE TEMP TENANTS IN THERE. OKAY, BUT NOTHING. THAT'S MATERIAL. I WAS THERE AT NIGHT TO VIEW THE LIGHTING SITUATION. YEAH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S EVEN EXTERIOR LIGHTING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. IF THERE IS, IT'S VERY LITTLE NOT TO SPEAK OF. NOT. I HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THE NIGHT. WELL, I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED WAS CONCERNS WITH SECURITY, WITH HOMELESSNESS, WITH WITH VAGRANCY. AND SO I WANTED TO GO AND SEE FOR MYSELF WHAT WAS THERE AT NIGHT AND WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS WERE AND HOW I THOUGHT THOSE WERE WOULD BE CONTRASTED WITH A PLACE THAT ACTUALLY HAS ACTIVITY, BUSINESS SECURITY, CAMERAS, LIGHTING. AND I COULDN'T IMAGINE THAT THE CURRENT CONDITION WOULDN'T BE 100 FOLD IMPROVED, AT LEAST ON THOSE HUNDRED PERCENT. CONCUR THOSE ISSUES. I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT HOMELESS FROM THE RESIDENTS. WE'VE HEARD FROM HOMELESS STAYING BEHIND THAT BUILDING. WE'VE HEARD HOMELESS STAYING IN THE RESIDENCE BEHIND IT ON THE HARD CORNER. SO, I MEAN, LOOK, HOMELESS HAS BEEN AROUND THERE. BUT TO ME, IN MY

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PERSONAL OPINION, IS THAT THE LIGHTING AND THE SECURITY OUGHT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SPECIFIC AREA OF CLEANING THAT UP. NOW, MR. WOODRUFF, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO WERE NOT HERE AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I RECALL READING THE LIST OF OPPOSITION AND GOING THROUGH EACH AND ALL OF THE ADDRESSES OF THE PERSONS OPPOSED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THERE ARE TWO MAJOR ENTRANCES AND EXITS TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE OF WHICH IS THE CORNER THAT YOU OCCUPY, AND THEN ONE A BLOCK TO THE WEST. AM I CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. AND SO THESE SECURITY CAMERAS THAT ARE OUTDOORS, WOULD THEY CAPTURE FOOTAGE OF VEHICLES ENTERING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND EXITING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? I'M SURE WE COULD WORK TO POSITION THE CAMERAS TO WHERE THEY BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE CAMERAS THAT SHOW THE GAS ISLAND, THE FRONT ENTRANCE, THE REAR AND SIDES. BUT GIVEN THAT WE WILL HAVE UP TO 30, I'M SURE WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ALL AND STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THEY FACE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DIRECTION. I DON'T NECESSARILY RECALL, BUT I THINK THE SITE PLAN ALLOWS YOU TO ENTER FROM THE EAST AND FROM THE SOUTH, IF I'M CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT ON UNIVERSITY AS WELL AS THE SIDE STREET, WHICH IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO AS ONE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IT WOULD CERTAINLY BEHOOVE YOU TO COVER THAT STREET AS WELL AS YOUR UNIVERSITY ENTRANCES, WHICH WOULD ALSO SERVE AS AN AID TO LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. CERTAINLY.

THANK YOU. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? AS WAS DISCUSSED IN THE LAST MEETING, WE DECIDED TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT AS I STATED THEN, WE HEARD FROM I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY PEOPLE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I HAD STATED THEN THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN ABBREVIATED PUBLIC HEARING. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? THREE. THREE. SO IF THE THREE WOULD COME UP AND. AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT. TWO MINUTES. AND YOU'LL HAVE A TIMER THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE SCREEN. OKAY, I DON'T SEE THE TIMER YET, BUT THAT'S FINE. MY NAME IS PAUL GRIFFIN. I OWN THE PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS 1804 AND 1806 NORTH COLLEGE. THE APPLICANT HAS NEVER REACHED OUT TO ME AS THE OWNER. HE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND TALKED TO ONE OF MY TENANTS, BUT HAD NEVER MADE AN ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME. I SPOKE TO HIM AFTER THE P AND Z MEETING, AND I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T SUPPORT HIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF SAFETY. THE ONLY WAY HE CAN GET A FUEL TRANSPORT INTO THIS LOCATION IS FROM COLLEGE STREET, A RESIDENTIAL STREET. AND WE KNOW THAT A FUEL TRANSPORT DELIVERY HAS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO STOP AND WAIT TILL THEY CAN GET IN THERE.

WELL, IT'S GOING TO BLOCK BOTH MY DRIVEWAYS. MY TENANTS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET INTO THEIR RESIDENCE. THIS IS GOING TO DEVALUE MY PROPERTY. IT'S GOING TO BE A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE OTHER THEY'RE GOING TO BLOCK ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC ON A TWO LANE STREET COMING OFF OF, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMES OFF 380 GOING DOWN COLLEGE STREET. I TEXDOT DOES NOT HAVE A SLOW DOWN LANE ON ON 380 TO GET IN THERE FROM THE SOUTH. SO THEY GOT TO COME IN OFF COLLEGE.

THERE'S NOT A WAY UNLESS THE CITY MAKES THIS A FOUR LANE STREET AND THEY GIVE UP LAND ON THEIR ON THEIR PROPERTY TO EXPAND THE STREET. MY PROBLEM IS PURE SAFETY. WHEN YOU START UNLOADING FUEL ON A HIGH HUMIDITY DAY, FUMES TRAVEL. SOMEONE HAS A BARBECUE, A BARBECUE PIT GOING ON AT ONE OF MY RESIDENCES. YOU KNOW WHAT? GASOLINE FUMES AND FIRE DOES. IT EXPLODES. YOU GOT TO HAVE SAFETY. THERE'S HOMELESSNESS. THERE'S A NOT EVEN GOING TO GO THERE. YOU'VE ALREADY COVERED IT. BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT SAFETY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT THIS CITY HAS GOT TO OFFER. AND SUPPLYING MY MYSELF AND MY TENANTS WITH SAFETY IS OF THE MY UTMOST CONCERN. THANK YOU SIR. KIM RHODES. OKAY. IF YOU'LL COME UP

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AND STATE YOUR NAME, MA'AM. I'M JEAN POPE AND I LIVE AT 803 WOODLEY DRIVE, RIGHT BEHIND THIS PROPERTY. I ALREADY HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE ENTERING THE VACANT PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO ME.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO. I DON'T NEED EXTRA ACTIVITY BACK THERE TO ALL HOURS. AND EVEN THOUGH HE SAID THEY'D CLOSE DOWN AT 10:00, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE RACKET AND THE NOISE WILL STOP. I DON'T APPRECIATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMING IN MY BACK DOOR, BECAUSE I'M RIGHT THERE, AND A BRICK WALL IS NOT GOING TO STOP A LOT OF IT. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDER YOUR OWN MOTHER LIVING IN THAT SITUATION. I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD APPRECIATE IT EITHER. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I'VE LIVED THERE A LONG TIME. I'M THE SECOND OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY, AND I'M ALMOST 92, SO.

HELLO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND BY THE WAY, A VERY, VERY LIVELY AND ENERGETIC 92 YEARS OLD.

AMEN. YEAH. AMAZING. THAT'S AMAZING. ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO BE REAL QUICK AND COVER SOME THINGS SINCE I TALKED LAST TIME. SO THE THINGS THAT STILL BOTHER US, WE DID MEET AND WE APPRECIATE THAT TIME, BUT MANY OF US STILL OPPOSE THE GAS STATION BEING BUILT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. THE THREE VARIANCES BEING ALLOWED. THE MOST CONCERNING IS THE PROXIMITY OF GASOLINE AND OTHER HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS TO OUR HOMES BY REDUCING THE FUEL PUMP PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS FROM 200FT, 50FT TO 103FT, AND ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCIES STATE A MINIMUM OF 300 TO 500FT. BECAUSE BENZENE CAN BE DETECTED AT A MINIMUM OF 500FT. AGAIN, THE PROXIMITY OF GASOLINE AND OTHER HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS CLOSE TO OUR HOMES, CHANGING THE ZONE FROM BG TO PD. THE CURRENT BG ZONE ALLOWS FOR RETAIL, OFFICE BUILDING, MEDICAL, PROFESSIONAL, RESTAURANT AND FAST FOOD. AS STATED AT THE LAST MEETING, THE STORE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE POSSIBILITY OF UNMANNED AFTER HOUR PUMPS.

ALCOHOL SALES. THE LIGHTING SHINING IN MISS POPE'S HOUSE. THE IMPACT OF INCREASED TRAFFIC AND DIESEL TRUCKS ON OUR ANTIQUATED STREETS. NINE GAS STATIONS, INCLUDING ONE ACROSS THE STREET. RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT GAS STATIONS CAN IMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS DUE TO VAPOR INTRUSION, LIGHT TRESPASS, INCREASED FIRE, EXPLOSION, DANGER, NOISE, LOSS OF PROPERTY VALUE, AIR POLLUTION, AND SOIL WATER CONTAMINATION. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THIS WAS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? I HOPE YOU WOULD FIGHT FOR THE SAFETY AND HEALTH OF YOUR FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS. AT THE END OF EACH DAY, I ASK MYSELF, DID I DO MY BEST? DID I HELP OTHERS IN NEED? DID I FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT? WHAT WILL YOUR ANSWERS BE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. I'LL SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. SAY YOU WANT TO GIVE SOMETHING, SAY. JUST CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU COME UP AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO GET THIS VOTE. THIS IS. THIS IS JUST THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND FOR. OH, I'M SORRY. I WAS TOLD THERE WAS THREE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAD. HE HAD HE PUT NON AGENDA. OH. THEN I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ONE MORE COMMENT. SO MOVED TO VOTE AGAINST CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW EVERYONE. JUST WITHDRAW YOUR VOTE IF YOU WOULD. IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH ALLOWING MR. TREVINO TO COME UP AND SPEAK. SO, CHRIS, IF YOU'LL COME UP. GOODNESS. CHRIS TREVINO 903 NORTH CHURCH, MCKINNEY. I'M FOR THE MURPHY'S. I'M TIRED OF THAT BUILDING STAYING VACANT. THE GRASS HAS BEEN HIGH ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, AND I THINK IT RECENTLY JUST GOT CUT AND IT'S ALREADY GROWN BACK.

THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT HOMELESS. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF IT STAYS EMPTY, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE HOMELESS. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN. SO REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY'RE SEEING IT RIGHT NOW, SOMETHING WILL GO IN. IT IS GOING TO BE LIT UP. WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC ISSUES. WE GOT TRAFFIC COMING ALL THE WAY FROM PRINCETON EAST COMING THROUGH. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BRING ANY NEW TRAFFIC.

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I'D RATHER SEND MY KIDS AND MY AND MY WIFE TO MURPHY'S THAN SEND THEM TO ELON OR THE TEXACO, WHERE ALL THE HOMELESS PEOPLE SEEM TO HANG OUT ON OUR ON OUR STREET. I HAD THEM ACROSS THE STREET, MY HOUSE. I MEAN, WE JUST GOT TO LIVE WITH THEM FOR RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. BUT AT THIS TIME, I'M FOR THAT. MURPHY'S. I, I MEAN, I WORK FOR A CITY THAT HAS A MURPHY'S, AND IT'S ALL LIT UP. YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN A, YOU KNOW, A BIG TANKER COME IN DURING THE DAY, AND I WORK DEEP NIGHTS, RIGHT? THEY COME IN AT NIGHT AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH THEIR GAS AND FILLING IT UP. BUT I'M FOR THE MURPHY'S, I NEED YOU. Y'ALL NEED TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THAT. IT'S NOT GOING TO ADD ANYTHING, ANY EXTRA STUFF. AND THE HOMELESS ARE GOING TO HANG OUT AT THE MURPHY'S BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, CORPORATE OWNED. AND I THINK IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO BE KICKED OUT OUT OF THERE THAN SOMETHING BY FRANCHISE LIKE THE TEXACO AND ALLEN. SO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT AND LET'S GET IT GOING, BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE DRIVING ALL THE WAY TO RACETRACK OR TRYING TO BATTLE WITH SAM'S TO GET INTO THERE. THEY GIVE THE SAME PRICE OF GAS THAT SAM'S DOES. SO BRING IT ON. THANK YOU SIR. SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME WE HAVE A MOTION NOW FROM PATRICK. SAM MENTIONED EARLIER AND A SECOND BY MICHAEL. YES, SIR. CAST YOUR VOTES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT.

SCOTT, DO YOU MIND COMING UP? YES. I DIDN'T GET TO VOTE. SO THE COMMENT WAS MADE ABOUT SEMIS BLOCKING DRIVEWAYS, PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR OF THEIR RESIDENCE. SO WE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SINCE LAST MAY. WE'VE MET WITH STAFF. THEY'VE GONE THROUGH ENGINEERING. SO WE'VE TAKEN THIS THROUGH ENGINEERING. WE'VE TAKEN THIS THROUGH FIRE. WE ACTUALLY WORK WITH STAFF ON THE RADIUSES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD GET THE NOT ONLY THE TRUCK ROUTES, BUT ALSO THE FIRE ROUTES THROUGH THIS. SO IT'S BEEN VETTED BY ENGINEERING. OKAY. HOW MANY TIMES A DAY DOES THE TANKER ACTUALLY COME OR HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK? ONCE A WEEK. ONCE A DAY, DEPENDING ON VOLUME. IT'S TYPICALLY ABOUT ONCE A DAY. OKAY. AND HOW LONG DOES EACH VISIT TAKE? NORMALLY ABOUT 20 MINUTES USUALLY. WHAT TIME OF DAY DO THEY USUALLY COME IN? IT VARIES. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT'S WHAT. STATIONS ARE ON THAT ROUTE THAT DAY. SO. SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ONE TANKER FOR ALL THREE FUEL TYPES? YES. THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY TWO FUEL TYPES. GRADE IS A MIX OF 87 AND 91. OKAY. BUT YOU HAVE ENGINEERING. WELL, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE HERE TODAY, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH ENGINEERIN. AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THERE'S NOT AN IMPEDANCE TO THE, THE PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR VARIANCES ON THAT.

YOU DIDN'T NEED ANY VARIANCES TO GO THROUGH FOR THAT. SO I APPRECIATE IT. DO YOU NOT SELL DIESEL. WE CAN YEAH I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL AT THIS LOCATION YET. BUT MOST LIKELY WE WILL. AND DO YOUR LIGHTS STAY ON 24 HOURS A DAY AS WELL AS THE SECURITY CAMERAS. THE CAMERAS WILL. THERE WILL BE CERTAIN LIGHTS THAT GO OFF WHILE WE'RE CLOSED. BUT WE DO KEEP LIGHTING ON 24 OVER SEVEN. YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE CAMERAS CAN SEE ANY ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON. SO WILL THAT AREA BE BETTER ILLUMINATED BY THE PRESENCE OF THE MURPHY GAS STATION? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW, JUSTIN, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS. MATTER OF FACT, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. LAST MEETING, TALKING ABOUT THE WHAT YOU FELT WAS AND I'M ASSUMING YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY, BUT THE INTRODUCTION OF A NEW BUILD AND BUSINESS ON THAT STREET. BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THAT WEREN'T HERE LAST WEEK, THAT THERE ARE A FEW VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED. AND WHAT WE HEARD LAST WEEK UNEQUIVOCALLY WAS ALL ISSUES THAT THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VARIANCE. SO THE, THE, THE VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FEAR OF HOMELESS, WHICH AGAIN, I TRULY BELIEVE IS A IS A MISGUIDED FEAR. IT'S THE ISSUE WITH WITH WHAT IS THERE NOW COMPARED TO SOMETHING LIT WITH SECURITY CAMERAS AND ACTIVITY IS VERY DIFFERENT. BUT TRAFFIC, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE STATED ARE NOT WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED IN A VARIANCE HERE. AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS EXIST WITH ANY AND EVERY OTHER USE. YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT FOR THAT SITE. SO THE ONLY THING I HEARD DIFFERENT TODAY SPECIFICALLY WAS THE TRAFFIC OR THE TRUCK BLOCKING RESIDENCES.

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BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE? YES, JUSTIN. YEAH. SO I MET WITH WITH SCOTT AND HIS TEAM AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR TEAM, AND WE REALLY DID TRY TO DIVIDE UP THAT THERE ARE ISSUES THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD EXPERIENCES THAT ARE COMING FROM 380, THAT ARE COMING FROM SOME DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH THAT INCLUDE DRAINAGE, THAT INCLUDES A KIND OF A THOROUGHFARE FOR A HOMELESS POPULATION THAT THAT DOESN'T GET MONITORED BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF BACK AND FORGOTTEN. AND REALLY THROUGH TRAFFIC OF PEOPLE TRYING TO ESCAPE. 380 AND SO WE GATHERED A LIST, AND I SENT IT TO PAUL THIS WEEK TO REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN WE PUT ADDITIONAL STOP SIGNS AND POTENTIALLY SPEED BUMPS, AND WHERE CAN WE LOOK AT IMPROVING SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA? BECAUSE IT IS IT IS AN AREA THAT WAS BUILT. AS MISS JEAN SAID, SHE WAS THE SECOND OWNER IN THAT HOUSE. IT'S ABOUT A 40 YEAR OLD, 45 YEAR OLD NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO IT DOES HAVE SOME NEEDS FOR REINVESTMENT THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF THIS WITH, WITH THIS REQUEST. YOU KNOW, I DO LOOK AT IT. IT HAS A BG ZONING TODAY WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR FUELING STATIONS. IT HAS THE BUFFER ADDITION THAT WE ADDED TWO YEARS AGO. SO IF THIS WAS DEVELOPED IN 2022 AND MOST OF 2023, I THINK THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY. THE ONLY VARIANCES THAT WOULD BE ASKED FOR THE SPATIAL VARIANCES THAT THAT EXIST. WHICH WE NEED TO BE ACCOMMODATING ON, ON ANY OF THESE OLD HIGHWAY REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T PLANT THESE PROPERTIES DEEP ENOUGH FOR MODERN DAY DEVELOPMENT TO, TO BE REUSED.

AND THIS IS A STEP THAT NEEDS TO BE GONE THROUGH FOR THAT. BUT AS FAR AS THE BUFFER AND RESIDENTIAL TO, TO FUELING STATIONS, WE HAVE OTHER FUELING STATIONS IN THIS CORRIDOR, ONE THAT IS A BLOCK TO THE EAST THAT HAS LESS OF A BUFFER TO RESIDENTIAL THAN THIS ONE, AND REALLY IS. AND I HATE SAYING THIS FROM THE DAIS, BUT IS THE BAD ACTOR THAT WE ALL LOOK AT AND FEAR. AS THE OUTCOME THAT IT IS THE PLACE WHERE HOMELESS CONGREGATE. IT IS THE PLACE THAT DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF. AND CHRIS MENTIONED HE DOESN'T GO THERE. I DON'T LET MY KIDS GO TO THAT SUNOCO STATION. I DON'T LET MY KIDS GO TO THE A LINE STATION AT AT ERWIN AND. TENNESSEE. AND I DO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO AIRPORT OR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO INDUSTRIAL OR ALL THE WAY OVER TO 75 TO GET TO A BETTER FUELING STATION, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LACK OF INVESTMENT ALONG THE OLD HIGHWAY FIVE CORRIDOR. SOME OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE OBSOLETE PROPERTY SIZES THAT WE HAVE. SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE BY, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES ON WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT AND PROPERTIES AND WHAT TRAFFIC COUNTS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO GET REINVESTMENT INTO THESE AREAS. WE NEED TO. AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE AND I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP AGAIN. BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY ADDING SOME OVERLAY DISTRICTS INTO THE OLD HIGHWAY CORRIDORS SO THAT WE CAN OVERCOME SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES OF THESE SMALLER PROPERTIES AND GET THE REINVESTMENT THAT WE NEED INTO THESE ZONES, BECAUSE WE HAVE COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT IS LESS THAN IDEAL, THAT WE NEED TO CREATE COMPETITION FOR, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T BELONG IN IN WHAT IS OUR OUR AREAS. AND IT IS NOT WHAT I EXPECT FROM FROM THIS USER. IT'S NOT WHAT I EXPECT FROM OTHER USERS WHO WILL COME IN AND COMPETE. AND SOMETIMES THAT TAKES SOME SOME VARIANCE TO GET TO THAT. AND SO I'M, I APPRECIATE THE MASONRY WALL. I, I EXPECT THAT PAUL IS GOING TO WORK WITH ME ON THIS LIST. AND, AND I WILL PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M I MAY BE OUT THERE POURING A SPEED BUMP MYSELF FOR YOU ON WESTWAY, BUT I MEAN, IN TERMS OF THE INVESTMENT WE NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY, I'M. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. WE NEED WE NEED TO REPLACE THE OLD USES IN THIS CORRIDOR AND ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE. AND SO I'M FOR IT. I'M HAPPY ABOUT IT. BUT, JUSTIN, WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED PAUL'S EVALUATION, SO I THINK WE'LL WAIT UNTIL WE SEE HOW HE RESPONDS TO YOUR EMAIL.

JUSTIN, THIS IS YOUR AREA. YEAH. JUSTIN, YOU LIVE HERE AND I DO TAKE MY CUES FROM YOU ON THIS.

ONLY THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE WITH YOU ON THIS. IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE IF THERE'S THINGS ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU WANT TO GET PUSHED IN THERE AND, AND ACCELERATED FROM OUR MAINTENANCE PLAN TO AN OVERLAY, I'LL BE ALL FOR IT. AND, AND WE CAN ACCELERATE THAT AND PUSH THAT UP TO THE TOP OF THE AGENDA AND GET ON THAT IMMEDIATELY. YEAH.

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APPRECIATE IT. TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, I MICHAEL I'LL SUPERVISE HIS POURING THE SPEED BUMP. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT EVERYTHING JUSTIN SAID, BUT IT RESONATES WITH ME. BUT I WANT TO ADD SOMETHING THAT RESONATES WITH ME. THERE'S BEEN TWO POLICE MATTERS IN OUR CITY OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS THAT WERE THAT SECURITY CAMERAS FROM NON-RELATED BUSINESSES REALLY SHED A LOT OF LIGHT ON, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT NOW HERE, AND I WAS SO GRATEFUL FOR IT. ONE OF THEM WAS A SHOOTING ON HIGHWAY FIVE. AND THE WINNERS. SECURITY CAMERAS CAUGHT THE WHOLE THING IN MAGNIFICENT DETAIL AND IT REALLY HELPED OUR POLICE. THE SECOND ONE WAS NOT IN MAGNIFICENT DETAIL, BUT IT WAS THE WHEN JAMEER DABNEY WAS CROSSING LAKE FOREST JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND HE WAS HIT BY A CAR AND IT AND IT HELPED US. AND WE DON'T LIVE THE PROBLEMS THAT COME BEFORE US ARE RARELY THAT OF AN ATROPHYING CITY. WE GET PROBLEMS THAT A GROWING CITY HAS, LIKE, MAN, THAT'S MY FAVORITE TREE AND Y'ALL ARE FIXING TO TAKE IT DOWN FOR THIS, YOU KNOW? AND I GET THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USED TO. WE'RE NOT USED TO THIS, BUT IT'S A SO BUT SO EVERYTHING RESONATES WITH ME. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT ABOUT THE SECURITY CAMERAS AND WHERE REDEVELOPMENT CAN HAVE. AND I HOPE IT REALLY NEVER DOES WITH THESE SECURITY CAMERAS, BUT I'M GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS SAID YOU WOULD DO THERE, AND I'D LIKE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. BUT THAT'S MY COMMENT, MISTER MAYOR. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT COMMENT THAT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, BESIDES THE CELL PHONES OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ARE SECURITY CAMERAS FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. AND IT IS INVALUABLE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY A POSITIVE IMPROVEMENT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'LL JUST SAY, FOR ME, THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS JUST THE DISTANCE ACROSS THE STREET TO THE HOUSE, ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S IT. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SMART IN THE APPROACH. I APPRECIATE THE ADJUSTMENT IN THE IN THE SCREENING WALL THAT YOU HAVE. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT ABOUT ALL OF THE POSITIVE THINGS THAT IT BRINGS FORWARD. BUT FOR ME, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HESITATION BECAUSE OF THAT DISTANCE. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING HOLDING ME BACK. BUT I, I THINK THE LIGHTS ARE GOING TO HELP. I THINK THE CAMERAS ARE GOING TO HELP. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. I THINK REDEVELOPMENT ABSOLUTELY HELPS THAT AREA. SO, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS MOVING FORWARD, BUT I'M JUST HESITANT BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. IT'S THE ONLY ONE I WILL TELL YOU THAT I AM IN FAVOR IN FAVOR OF, PRIMARILY BECAUSE AGAIN, I LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED AND THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, THE OPPOSITION, DO THEY RELATE OR NOT RELATE TO THE VARIANCES? BUT BUT ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY AS A DEVELOPER? I SEE THIS AS A HOPEFULLY WILL BE IT WILL BE A CATALYST PROJECT.

AND ANYTIME, AS JUSTIN HAD SAID, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN A VERY A VERY DEPRESSED AREA, DEPRESSED IN, IN NOT JUST ECONOMICALLY RIGHT NOW IN WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE COMMERCIALLY BUT IN, IN PLATTING OF LOTS AND SIZES AND WHATNOT, MAKING IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. YOU GUYS HAVE CHOSEN THAT SPOT TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT. IT'S DIFFICULT. YOU'RE DOING THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO IF YOU PICKED A DIFFERENT LOT. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATING TO BUILD WALLS AND MASONRY WALLS AND ALL THAT, BUT YOU'RE MAKING AN INVESTMENT THERE. THAT'S THAT'S CALLED A CATALYST PROJECT. AND SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ON THAT STREET THAT SELL FUEL WILL FIND THEMSELVES NOW COMPETING WITH A NEW, SHINIER, BETTER LOCATION.

AND WHAT GENERALLY HAPPENS IN THE, IN THE MARKET IS THEY DON'T SURVIVE. AND THOSE WHO DO THE BETTER JOB DO SURVIVE. SO I, I THINK THE IDEA THAT IT'S GOING TO DEVALUE PROPERTY IS QUITE OPPOSITE. IT WILL INCREASE VALUE AS OTHER DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. IT'S A CATALYST PROJECT. THE SAME REASON WHY WE BUILT CITY HALL RIGHT HERE. IT WAS VERY DELIBERATE FOR A DELIBERATE PURPOSE. AND SO I I'M IN FAVOR OF IT WITH THAT. THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS. IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. YOU GUYS CAN SIT DOWN. YOU KNOW, I WISH IT WAS AGO. THANK YOU GUYS. THANKS. THANK YOU. THANKS, SCOTT. ITEM

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “PD” - Planned Development District to “PD” - Planned Development District, Generally to Allow Detached Accessory Structures and to Modify the Development Standards, Located at 2041 Redbud Boulevard, and Accompanying Ordinance]

2500302 CONDUCT PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ACT ON A REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. GENERALLY TO ALLOW DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND TO MODIFY THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. LOCATED AT 2041

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REDBUD BOULEVARD. THANK YOU, MAYOR FULLER. KATE STRICKLAND, PLANNING MANAGER FOR CITY OF MCKINNEY. SO THIS THIS MIGHT FEEL A LITTLE FAMILIAR. THIS ACTUALLY CAME BEFORE Y'ALL IN FEBRUARY AND IT WAS VOTED THREE TWO. HOWEVER, DUE TO NOT MEETING A QUORUM, IT TECHNICALLY FAILED.

AND SO THEY WERE REQUIRED TO RESUBMIT SO THAT THEY COULD COME BACK BEFORE Y'ALL. WITH THIS CURRENT REQUEST. SO I WILL I WILL GO THROUGH THE REQUEST AS A FEW OF Y'ALL WERE NOT HERE, AND WE'LL JUST GET STARTED. SO THE PROPOSED REZONING IS GOING TO BE HERE AT THE EXISTING WALMART AT REDBUD. I WILL MOVE TO THE PERFECT. SO THEY ARE REQUESTING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL DETACHED STRUCTURES WITH VERY SPECIFIC DESIGN CRITERIA TO ALLOW FOR DRONE DELIVERY. YOU CAN SEE ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE. ANNOTATION NOT WORKING ANYMORE. THERE IT GOES.

PERFECT ON THE EASTERN PORTION. THIS IS GOING TO BE WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO POSITION THE PROPOSED DRONE DELIVERY. WITH THE DRONES AND THE STORAGE REQUIREMENTS OVER THERE, I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT IS TYING DOWN THIS LAYOUT. SO SHOULD THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND THEY DO NOT GENERALLY CONFORM, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE Y'ALL IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE. MAKE MAJOR CHANGES TO THIS LAYOUT. SO THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH STAFF. THERE ARE GOING TO BE UPDATES TO THE HEIGHT. CURRENTLY THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO UP TO 45FT.

THEY'RE PROPOSING ONLY TO GO UP TO 35FT AT THIS LOCATION. WHEN STAFF WAS REVIEWING THIS, WE NOTED THAT THIS AREA IS INHERENTLY INDUSTRIAL WITH COMMERCIAL USES, SO WE DIDN'T FIND THERE TO BE ANY RESIDENTIAL CONCERNS WITH THE DRONE DELIVERY AT THIS LOCATION. ADDITIONALLY, THEY WILL BE FOR ANY TREE THAT THEY ARE REMOVING. THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL TREE BACK PER THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AS WELL AS KEEPING THE EXISTING TREE LINE ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. SO LANDSCAPING SHOULD BE MAINTAINED SO THAT THERE SHOULD BE MINIMAL IMPACT FOR THE VISUAL. I THAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING BY ON REDBUD. AND SO STAFF HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT IT. ADDITIONALLY, I DID WANT TO MAKE YOU ALL AWARE THAT WHEN THIS WALMART FIRST CAME IN, IT WAS ACTUALLY REZONED FOR A GREEN DEVELOPMENT. SO WE FIND THAT THE DRONE DELIVERY ACTUALLY WILL COMPLEMENT IT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A NEW AND INNOVATIVE PROPOSAL AT THIS LOCATION TO GO WITH THE INNOVATIVE DESIGN THAT THE WALMART HAD ORIGINALLY. SO GIVEN THE UPDATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE TO GENERALLY CONFORM. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES. MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. RYAN TRIMBLE, 8912 LOCK HAVEN DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF WALMART TONIGHT. WE HAD SO MUCH FUN THE FIRST TIME WE THOUGHT WE'D COME BACK AND DO IT AGAIN. SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BRING THIS EXCLUSIVE SERVICE TO YOU AND YOUR RESIDENTS HERE IN MCKINNEY. IT'S GOING TO BE AMONG THE FIRST CITIES IN DFW AND IN THE NATION TO GET THIS SERVICE. SO VERY, VERY EXCITED TO GET GOING. PREVIOUSLY, I SHARED SOME OF THE GREAT USE CASES OF THIS SERVICE, BUT AS I WAS SITTING HERE, I THOUGHT OF A FEW MORE. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, A RESIDENT COULD ORDER A PAIR OF SOCCER CLEATS OR SOME GATORADE. MAYBE ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS FROM THE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM. YOU COULD ORDER SOME DOG BISCUITS. I KNOW THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY SOME MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT. AND IN THE SPIRIT OF EARTH DAY, WE WOULD DO ALL THIS WHILE TAKING CARS OFF THE ROAD.

SO I DO WANT TO MENTION OUR OUTSTANDING STORE MANAGER, JIM PEARSON IS HERE. HE ONCE AGAIN BROUGHT HIS LOVELY WIFE. IT'S AGAIN THEIR DATE NIGHT. THEY HAD DATE NIGHT AT OUR PNC HEARING AND THEY APPARENTLY WAS A GREAT DATE, SO THEY WERE BACK FOR MORE. SO, JIM THANK YOU. HE'S ONE OF OUR REALLY OUTSTANDING OPERATORS HERE IN NORTH TEXAS. SO WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE HIM HERE.

YOU KNOW, I'M PROUD TO BE JOINED AS WELL BY OUR PARTNERS FROM ZIPLINE, STEPHANIE COOK, THE BRILLIANT STEPHANIE COOK. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HER IN A SEC. AND THEN BERNICE ESPINOSA ARE MY LONGTIME FRIEND AND GREAT PARTNER FROM KIMLEY-HORN. SO I'LL TAKE A PAUSE. THEY'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WILL LET STEPHANIE SAY A FEW WORDS IF SHE WANTS TO. MAY I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE YOU HAND OFF THE FLOOR? YES, SIR. YOU WERE HERE? I BELIEVE IT WAS IN FEBRUARY. A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND YOU PRESENTED THIS ITEM? CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND I STAYED AFTER THE MEETING TO VISIT WITH YOU AND YOUR

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PARTNER. DID I NOT? WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION. YES, SIR. YES. AND DID I NOT ASK YOU NOT TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK WHILE I WAS STILL SITTING ON THIS COUNCIL? YOU DID. AND I HAVE CLEARLY VIOLATED THAT, SIR. YES. THANK YOU. I, FOR ONE, AM GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT BACK, BECAUSE I AM ON THE COUNCIL THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME, AND I THINK THIS IS TREMENDOUSLY EXCITING.

AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF MCKINNEY BEING LEADING IN THIS. SO I'M GLAD IT IS. BUT I CERTAINLY ALSO UNDERSTAND CHARLIE HAD A REASON TO FOR NOT TO BE HERE FOR HIM, BUT. WELL, MR. MAYOR, LET ME SAY IT FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT THAT I DO NOT WANT MY LEGACY TO BE THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO OPENED THE FLOODGATES TO THE MCKINNEY SKIES, TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY WITH THE FIRST DRONE OPERATION EVER ALLOWED HERE. AND 50 YEARS FROM NOW, DON'T BE CUSSING ME BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE THE SUNSHINE OR THE CLOUDS. THANK YOU. JUST FOR THE RECORD, DRONES WILL FLY TO MCKINNEY. IF NOT FROM THIS LOCATION, THEY WILL BE AT THE LOCATION RIGHT ON THE BORDER.

OH, I'M SURE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO STOP. DRONES. DRONES ARE THE ARE THE FUTURE. AND THE BENEFITS, OF COURSE, IS ALL THE EXPERTS SAY IS THAT IT WILL END UP TAKING A LOT OF TRAFFIC OFF THE ROADS, AND HOPEFULLY A LOT OF LIVES WILL BE SAVED AND TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. AND THE DATA ACTUALLY SPEAKS TO THIS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS VERY BENEFICIAL FOR COMMUNITIES TO COME. I IMAGINE YOU MIGHT BE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT YOURSELF, BUT BUT THAT IS WHAT ALL THE DATA SHOWS.

AND SO FOR THAT REASON, THAT'S WHY I'M EXCITED. IT ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING THAT IS A BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO RESIDENTS AND TAKING TRAFFIC OFF THE ROAD. AND SO HAVE AT IT. AND I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD GIVE THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. HE NEEDS A JOB IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. I DID I DID A LITTLE READING, I DID A LITTLE READING BECAUSE I DID WANT TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE I HAD HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND CERTAINLY I FELT THEY WERE VALID CONCERNS. SO I WANTED TO EDUCATE MYSELF. AND ONCE I DID, IT CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT I JUST GAVE YOU SOMEHOW MANAGED TO SURVIVE 63 YEARS WITHOUT IT. SOMEHOW, SOMEHOW. AWESOME. WELL, I KNOW I GAVE THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE I DID ADD TWO NEW SLIDES. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYBODY IF I RAN THROUGH IT AGAIN? I ALSO DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF OUR TIME. I DON'T NEED TO SEE IT MYSELF. I THINK IF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY SEEN IT. OKAY. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? I DO STEPHANIE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT CARS OFF THE ROAD. DO YOU HAVE THESE OPERATIONAL IN OTHER CITIES, AND IF SO, APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY DELIVERIES DO YOU MAKE A DAY FROM A WALMART LOCATION? GOOD QUESTION. I'M ACTUALLY WE'LL PULL UP ONE SLIDE THAT I THINK I RECENTLY PULLED IN HERE. THIS IS A HELPFUL SLIDE TO KIND OF SHOW THE SCALE OF THE OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN DFW. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED. WE HAVE ABOUT 20 SITES UNDER DEVELOPMENT WITH WALMART. WE HAVE TEN APPROVED PERMITS ACROSS THE METRO, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE SITES UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH A LOT MORE IN THE PIPELINE HERE. SO WE ACTUALLY RECENTLY LAUNCHED IN MESQUITE. SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN WE HAD A BUNCH OF NEWS REPORTERS THAT WERE OUT THERE, A LOT OF VIDEOS THAT WERE RELEASED. AND OVERWHELMINGLY THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN REALLY POSITIVE. WE'RE STARTING SMALL.

WE'RE SCALING. I THINK ONE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS THAT IF WE WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THE COMMUNITY HAS TO WANT US. IF WE REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS TO MORE AND MORE PEOPLE, PEOPLE HAVE TO LOVE OUR SERVICE AND WANT TO ORDER FROM US. IF NOBODY'S ORDERING FROM US, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SCALE. SO THAT REALLY THE CORE OF WHAT WE DO IS BRINGING A SERVICE THAT PEOPLE ARE EXCITED ABOUT. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE STARTING REALLY SMALL AND WE'RE RAMPING UP. WE'LL PROBABLY RAMP UP AS TIME COMES ON. WE'RE ALSO KIND OF EXPANDING OUR DELIVERY RADIUS. WE'RE STARTING AT ABOUT UNDER TWO MILES, AND WE'LL EXPAND TO KIND OF ABOUT A TEN MILE RADIUS. OKAY. LET'S SAY I WAS ORDERING THOSE SOCCER CLEATS YOUR PARTNER WAS TALKING ABOUT. DO I PAY AN ADDITIONAL FEE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT I WOULD PAY IN THE WALMART STORE TO HAVE THEM DELIVERED VIA DRONE? AND IF SO, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? I'M GOING TO LET RYAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION ON WALMART'S BEHALF.

OKAY. RIGHT NOW AS WE LAUNCH, IT'S A NO CHARGE. PLAYING AROUND WITH THE DATA AND FIGURING OUT WHAT THE RIGHT LEVEL IS FOR THE CHARGE FOR THE SERVICE. BUT FOR WALMART PLUS MEMBERS, IT WILL BE NO CHARGE. OKAY. WHAT IS A WALMART PLUS MEMBER? AND I'M SORRY, I GUESS I'M NOT ONE.

THAT'S OKAY. IT'S IT ALLOWS YOU VARIOUS OPTIONS. IT'S A $99 A YEAR MEMBERSHIP TO, YOU KNOW, IN-HOME IN-HOME DELIVERY ARE VARIOUS DELIVERY OPTIONS. SO SIMILAR MAYBE TO AMAZON PRIME IN TERMS OF THERE'S A COST AND THEN YOU GET SOME FREE STUFF. I WON'T SAY THE A WORD, BUT I WILL LET YOU MAKE THAT. I GUESS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT. NEITHER ONE OF Y'ALL CAN ANSWER THIS OR NOT, BUT TO ME, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE COMPETING WITH THOUGH, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I CAN GET I CAN ORDER IT ONLINE FROM A CERTAIN COMPANY AND MAYBE GET IT TOMORROW. VERSUS I COULD GET IT TODAY FROM YOU IN AN HOUR OR SO. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? I BELIEVE IT'S 30 MINUTES OR LESS.

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KIND OF DEPENDING ON THE DEMAND FOR THE DAY, THOUGH, RIGHT? YOU GOT X NUMBER OF DRONES AND YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF ORDERS. AND SO THEY GET IN LINE. I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THE WAYS TO GET THEIR STUFF THE FASTEST THEY CAN GET IT. YEAH. AND I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. AND I'LL JUST MAKE ONE MORE REMARK AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. I'M I'M REALLY ALL FOR TAKING CARS OFF THE ROAD. WE HAVE SO MANY. AND I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE PERHAPS SOME DANGERS HERE, BUT A DRONE FALLING OUT OF THE SKY VERSUS A 2,500 POUND TOYOTA HITTING YOU AS A VASTLY DIFFERENT THING. AND SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THIS. YOU KNOW, FOR MCKINNEY, HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU. ONE THING I'LL ADD AS WELL, YOU MENTIONED DRONES FALLING OUT OF THE SKY. I WILL JUST CLARIFY THAT WE TO DATE, HAVE DONE MORE THAN 100 MILLION MILES OF DELIVERY SAFELY. IN ADDITION, THERE ARE 500 PLUS SAFETY CHECKS THAT HAPPEN BEFORE A ZIP EVEN TAKES OFF IN THE SKY. AND IF WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF REDUNDANCY IN THE SYSTEM. SO IF ONE PROPELLER WERE TO GO DOWN, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE TO BACK IT UP. IF FOR SOME REASON THE DRONE DOES HAS TO COME DOWN, WE DO HAVE AN ONBOARD PARACHUTE SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS IT TO LAND GENTLY. OH, NICE. OKAY. YEAH. AND FORGIVE ME. I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT THAT WAS A COMMON THING, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT A WORST CASE SCENARIO. AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CARS BEING OFF THE ROAD AND FOLKS BEING ABLE TO GET THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS THINKING OF A ROTISSERIE CHICKEN WHEN I'M ORDERING THIS, BUT THAT'S THAT'S A BIG ONE. THAT IS A VERY POPULAR ITEM THAT AN OREO COOKIES, NOT A BIG ONE. YOU SOLD ME. THANK YOU. SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ORDER THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING. AND HAD WE DONE THAT, WE'D HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET TWO DELIVERIES SO FAR. RIGHT. IT'S 30 MINUTES. EXACTLY. AND YOU COULD HAVE IT DELIVERED WITHIN DINNER PLATE ACCURACY, AND YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT THE DELIVERY HAD BEEN MADE, BECAUSE OUR SYSTEM STAYS AT ABOUT 300FT IN THE SKY, SO YOU REALLY CAN BARELY KIND OF HEAR IT OR SEE IT. WOW. AND CAN WE USE CASH TO PAY FOR THESE ARTICLES THAT WE'RE BUYING THROUGH INSTANT GRATIFICATION? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. PROBABLY ONE FOR WALMART. I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, PROBABLY THE SAME AS IT IS WITH EVERY SERVICE OUT THERE.

I WON'T SAY NO, COUNCILMAN, BUT I WOULD ASSUME IT'S NO. YOU KNOW, MOST OF THIS IS DONE THROUGH THE APP, BUT I WILL FIND OUT. ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU HAVEN'T RESEARCHED IT THAT FAR? YOU GOT ME ON THAT ONE. YES. THANK YOU. AND AS FAR AS THE DRONE DELIVERY. NOW, YOU SAID YOU HAD OVER 100 MILLION MILES TESTED. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN TEXAS, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERY, YOU KNOW, LENIENT GUN LAWS. AND SO ARE THESE DRONES. HOW HOW DO THEY DROP INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY CROSS A NEIGHBORHOOD AT A CERTAIN FEET? YOU'RE AS ME, AS AN OWNER. I OWN THAT AIRSPACE.

SO HOW HOW HAVE YOU FIGURED THAT OUT? NO. GOOD QUESTION. AND I THINK ONE THING I'LL CLARIFY, AND MAYBE I CAN SHOW IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. LET'S SEE IF THIS. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WILL PLAY.

MAYBE NOT. ALL RIGHT. I'LL EXPLAIN IT. SO THE WAY THE DELIVERY SYSTEM WORKS IS THE LARGER DRONE THAT'S KIND OF PICTURED UP ABOVE THERE. THE ZIP STAYS AT 300FT. AND THEN THAT SMALLER ITEM UNDERNEATH THE DROID COMES DOWN TO MAKE THE DELIVERY ON A WINCH. SO AT ALL TIMES THAT ZIP IS AT 300FT. THE WAY THE AIRSPACE WORKS IS THAT IT IS ALL FEDERALLY REGULATED.

SO ANYTHING ESSENTIALLY ABOVE A BLADE OF GRASS IS REGULATED BY THE FAA REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED. WE DO GET THAT QUESTION A LOT ABOUT SHOOTING DRONES. AND BECAUSE WE'RE IN TEXAS, I WILL SAY THAT A FEW THINGS. ONE, YOU KNOW, IN ALL THE MILES THAT WE HAVE FLOWN, THAT HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE. IT HAS NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DO. I THINK OVERALL, WHEN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM AND COME TO LOVE IT, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING. THE SECOND THING I'LL ADD IS THAT THEY'RE TRAVELING AT ABOUT 70MPH AT 300FT. SO YOU'VE GOT TO BE A PRETTY GOOD SHOT. AND ALSO THERE'S A LOT OF REDUNDANCY IN THE SYSTEM. SO EVEN IF IT WERE TO BE SHOT, IT LIKELY IS NOT GOING TO COME OUT OF THE SKY. LAST OF ALL, WE ARE FEDERALLY REGULATED. SO IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO SHOOTING AN AIRCRAFT, WHICH IS A FELONY. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY. IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS ITEM AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL SECOND IT. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE BEFORE WE VOTE. MR. MAYOR. DID YOU SAY GO AHEAD? YEAH. NO COMMENT. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE THOUGHT THAT INJECTING RADIUM INTO THE HUMAN BLOODSTREAM WAS A GREAT IDEA. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DIED FROM THAT BECAUSE OF THE CANCER THAT IT CAUSED. AND THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE THOUGHT SMOKING CIGARETTES WAS REALLY COOL, AND EVERYBODY ENGAGED IN SMOKING CIGARETTES, ESPECIALLY ALL OF OUR HOLLYWOOD ACTORS. MANY OF THEM DIED FROM CANCER BECAUSE OF IT, AND THIS WAS ALL WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOOD INNOVATION TO

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SERVE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. AND I GREW UP IN A TIME WHERE YOU WORKED VERY HARD IN ORDER TO MAKE THE MONEY, TO MAKE A PURCHASE, AND IF ANYTHING YOU WANTED, IT WAS WORTH WAITING FOR AND WORKING FOR. AND TODAY WE ARE SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF MCKINNEY, TEACHING OUR CHILDREN HOW TO BUY THINGS ON CREDIT TO SATISFY THEIR INSTANT GRATIFICATION, TO PAY INTEREST ON THEIR CREDIT CARDS FOR THEIR PURCHASE THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE IMMEDIATELY, NOT TEACHING THEM TO WORK FOR A LIVING OR TO WORK FOR WHAT THEY WANT. AND THEY'RE LIVING IN APARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL THAT PREVENT THEM FROM EVER MAKING A DOWN PAYMENT ON A HOME.

AND WE ARE MISGUIDING THE YOUTH OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS, BY APPROVING SUCH TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS NO EXPERIENCE IN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY. AND WE ARE TEACHING OUR CHILDREN SIMPLY TO BE LAZY AND THAT EVERYTHING CAN BE HAD SIMPLY BY PRESSING SOME BUTTONS ON A COMPUTER. ONCE THIS ITEM GETS APPROVED, WHICH I KNOW IT WILL, THE NEXT BUSINESS IS GOING TO COME ALONG AND IT'S GOING TO BE TARGET, AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO DELIVER, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GET DOWN TO YOUR FLORIST WHO SHOULD BE DELIVERING MESSAGES OF LOVE WITH HANDMADE CARE TO YOUR HOMES, AND INSTEAD THEY'RE GOING TO BE DROPPING YOUR FLOWERS OUT OF THE SKY. WELL, HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY. THAT IS NOT THE LEGACY THAT I'M LEAVING FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU KNOW, MOST OF THAT IS JUST NOT WORTHY OF A RESPONSE. BUT I WILL SAY, WELL, THEN DON'T RESPOND, MR. MAYOR. WELL, I WILL SAY THIS. YOU TALKED ABOUT APARTMENTS, AND IT'S RUINING OUR OUR KIDS. I'VE GOT THREE CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN APARTMENT, AND I'D BE DAMNED TO SIT QUIET WHEN SOMEONE TELLS ME THAT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD A $600,000 HOUSE IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY TODAY. THAT I'D BE QUIET. I WON'T BE QUIET. MY KIDS ARE FANTASTIC CHILDREN THAT ARE WORKING EXTREMELY HARD. THEY ARE NOT LAZY AND NOT AVOIDING THEIR PURSUIT OF BUYING A HOME AND STARTING A FAMILY. BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN AN APARTMENT. THEY LIVE IN AN APARTMENT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD AT THIS TIME TO PUT DOWN 50 OR $60,000 ON A HOUSE. THEY DON'T MAKE OVER $187,000, WHICH IS ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED TO AFFORD A HOME OVER THE AVERAGE PRICE IN MCKINNEY TODAY. AND THAT'S WHY THEY LIVE IN AN APARTMENT THAT MOM AND DAD SAID THEY CAN'T LIVE WITH US ANYMORE. BUT THE IDEA AND THE MENTALITY THAT APARTMENTS ARE SOMEHOW THIS, THIS HORRIBLE THING AND WE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOUSE OUR CHILDREN OR OUR TEACHERS THAT ARE NOT MAKING 160 TO 180,000, OR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT MAKING 180, 180,000, OR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT OR OUR SERVICE WORKERS, OR OUR WAITERS OR WAITRESSES OR OUR BARTENDERS OR OR JUST A MILLION OTHER IS RIDICULOUS, LUDICROUS, AND ABOUT AS SMALL MINDED AS I CAN IMAGINE. THAT SAID, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES.

[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Resolution of the City Council of the City of McKinney, Texas, Showing Support for the Efforts of the McKinney Housing Authority to Partner with Presidium, to Construct a New Affordable Housing Development to be known as Cotton Mill Phase I]

MOTION PASSES. ITEM 252665. CONSIDER AN ACT ON A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS, SHOWING SUPPORT FOR THE EFFORTS OF THE MCKINNEY HOUSING AUTHORITY TO PARTNER WITH PRESIDIUM TO CONSTRUCT A NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT TO BE KNOWN AS COTTON MILL PHASE ONE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MARGARET LEE, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. THE MCKINNEY HOUSING AUTHORITY IS SEEKING A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE COUNCIL REGARDING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH PRESIDIUM FOR A NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, KNOWN AS COTTON MILL PHASE ONE. THE PROJECT WOULD BE LOCATED AT 610 ELM STREET, JUST EAST OF SOUTH MCDONALD STREET. THIS IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO BE REVIEWED BY THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SCORECARD THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THE SCORECARD WAS INTENDED TO PROVIDE A CONSISTENT APPROACH TOWARDS EVALUATING AND COMPARING PROJECTS ACROSS DIFFERENT GRANTING ENTITIES FOR TAX EXEMPTION PROJECTS. THE PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE 257 UNITS. 50% OF THOSE WOULD BE OFFERED AT MARKET RATE, 45% OF THOSE WOULD BE OFFERED AT 80% AREA MEDIAN INCOME, AND 5% WOULD BE OFFERED AT 30% AMI. UTILIZING THE SCORECARD, THE PROJECT SCORES A TOTAL OF 14 POINTS, WHICH EXCEEDS THE 12 POINT MINIMUM REQUIRED FOR CONSIDERATION. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ARE ESTIMATED TO PROVIDE $8.2 MILLION IN RENTAL SAVINGS OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD. THIS EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY $3.28 IN RENT

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SAVINGS IN COMPARISON TO EACH DOLLAR IN MCKINNEY. TAX EXEMPTIONS PROVIDED MHA IS ALSO ANTICIPATED TO RECEIVE APPROXIMATELY 2.6 MILLION IN FEES AND PAYMENTS, AND JOSH EAMES AND JALEN SEGURA FROM THE PRESIDIUM TEAM IS HERE TO HELP PRESENT THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT. AND I'M ALSO HAPPY TO HELP ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN, WE SPEAK TO THE MIC, PLEASE. YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER NOW? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS SHAYLA. ON BEHALF OF PRESIDIUM AND HERE TO TALK ABOUT COTTON MILL PHASE ONE. PHASE ONE OF FOUR PROJECTS. BUT THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WE'RE CONSIDERING NOW.

AND AS I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND HERE WITH THE CITY IN ORDER TO WORK TOWARDS MEETING OUR HOUSING GOALS HERE IN MCKINNEY. SPECIFICALLY, MAKING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AVAILABLE IN THE AREA. COTTON MILL IS IN EAST MCKINNEY, WHICH IS NOT A PLACE THAT HAS A WHOLE LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. WE STARTED WORKING WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY JUST UNDER A YEAR AGO. WENT TO THE FIRST BOARD MEETING. THEY SAID, NO, TAKE IT BACK. WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND HAVE WORKED QUITE A BIT AND DO FEEL LIKE WE'VE COME TO A PLACE WHERE WE'RE FEELING HAPPY. ALL AROUND THAT WE'RE ADDING QUITE A BIT OF VALUE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. WE WENT BACK FOR A SECOND BOARD MEETING IN JANUARY AND WERE APPROVED AND MADE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS. BUT I GUESS TO START OFF, WE HAVE GOTTEN AN APPROVAL FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. THE COMMUNITY IS LOCATED EXACTLY WHERE YOU SEE IT. AND TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RESTRICTIONS, WHICH IS REALLY TOP OF MIND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. A TYPICAL APARTMENT IS BUILT AS A BUSINESS. IT HAS INVESTORS AND IT'S BUILT TO MAKE MONEY. AND WHAT IT MEANS TO SAY AN APARTMENT IS MARKET RATE IS IT WILL OFFER RENTS BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WILL PAY. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT RESTRICTING AFFORDABILITY TO UNITS, WE'RE USING AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME AS AN INDICATOR.

AND WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT IS FROM THE NOVOGRADAC WEBSITE. AND THESE ARE LIMITS THAT ARE POSTED BY HUD NATIONALLY EVERY YEAR. AND SO THIS IS HOW WE GAUGE WHAT IS AFFORDABLE AND HOW MUCH WE CAN RESTRICT THE UNITS. SO WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS AND FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH THEY CAN RESTRICT THE RENTS AND STILL MEET THRESHOLDS FOR INVESTOR RETURNS, BUT ALSO ALSO OFFER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS IS WHERE WE GO. SO AS MARGARET MENTIONED, 45% OF THE UNITS AT 80% OF AMI. AND I'LL SKIP OVER THESE. WE CAN COME BACK TO THEM. THERE WE GO. THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS MARKET RATE FOR A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT IS $1,909. FOR A TWO BEDROOM, IT'S $2,657. AND FOR A THREE BEDROOM, IT'S $3,154. AND THIS IS WHAT OUR COMPARABLE PROPERTIES IN EAST MCKINNEY OFFER IN CHARGE. TENANTS AND FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LIVING THERE. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT RESTRICTING 45% OF THE UNITS, WHICH IS 116 UNITS THAT HAVE 257, THAT'S TAKING $1,909 FOR A ONE BEDROOM AND BRINGING IT DOWN TO 16, 54, 26, 57 DOWN TO 1986 AND 3154 DOWN TO 2294. SO JUST TO SHOW THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN RENTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT FOR THESE PROPERTIES. THE SECOND TIME FOR THE APPROVAL, WE ALSO INCLUDED 5% OF THE UNITS AT 30% OF THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME. AND NOW THIS IS NOT WORKFORCE. THIS IS VERY STRICT AFFORDABILITY THAT WE INCLUDED, BECAUSE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WAS VERY FIRM THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE IT. SO YOU'LL SEE 13 OF THE UNITS AT A DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, THREE BEDROOMS AT 862 BEDS AT 744, ONE AT 620. AND THERE'S ONLY ONE STUDIO, BUT THAT ONE WOULD BE OFFERED AT $579. A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN RENTS TOTAL OUT OF 129 UNITS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THAT'S A REDUCTION OF RENTS OF $714,000. NOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO INTO THE WEEDS, BUT I DID WANT TO SHOW THE SIGNIFICANT VALUE THAT'S BEING OFFERED JUST IN THE RENTS. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE ALSO COME TO THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL BE OFFERING HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS. SO FOR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES THAT DO ARE PART OF THE PROGRAM WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND DO HAVE VOUCHERS, THEY WOULD BE WELCOME TO STAY AT COTTONMILL PHASE ONE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DEVELOPER.

JOSH COULD SPEAK ABOUT PRESIDIUM OR I COULD, BUT I'VE ALSO HEARD THAT YOU'VE SEEN THEM QUITE A

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FEW TIMES. SO YOU CAN TELL ME, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WOULD YOU LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ON PRESIDIUM? I DON'T NEED IT. DOES ANYONE KNOW? OKAY. THEN WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPERTY. PRESIDIUM, AS YOU KNOW, IS A INCREDIBLE DEVELOPER. THEY'RE LOCAL TO TEXAS, AND IT'S EXCITING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IN THE CITY. THIS WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY, OFFER FANTASTIC AMENITIES TO ITS COMMUNITY MARKET RATE AND THE AFFORDABLE. AND I GUESS JUST TO MENTION A FEW OF THEM, IT WOULD HAVE A BEAUTIFUL GAME ROOM, A FITNESS CENTER, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WILL BE WORKING TO PUT TOGETHER A WAY THAT IT'S EASY FOR THE TENANTS AND RESIDENTS TO USE THEIR HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS ON ON PREMISES. I CAN GO VERY A FEW DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT OFF THE BAT OR DIVE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DEEPLY WHERE IT'S NEEDED. YOU DID GO BY THE COULD YOU GO BACK TO IF IT IS ACCURATE, THE SITE PLAN? YES. WRONG WAY. OKAY. SO THERE WILL BE A SIX STORY, TWO CAR GARAGE. I MEAN TWO S, TWO GARAGE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AND THEN PLENTY OF SPACE AROUND THE PROPERTY. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IT'S A STRUCTURED PROPERTY. IT'S STRUCTURED PARKING DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. THANK YOU. THERE'S ALSO A BIT MORE ON THE BUILDING PLANS. SO IT'S A WRAP. YEAH. WHICH IS A CLASS A PRODUCT, A VERY HIGH END PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE BEING ABLE TO MIX IN SOME AFFORDABLE UNITS. CORRECT. AND JOSH CAN SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE DEVELOP. OUR TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT IS A CLASS A PRODUCT. AND WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CHANGING WHAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD DO FOR A FULL MARKET RATE DEAL. THAT'S ATTRACTIVE TO EQUITY. IT'S ATTRACTIVE ATTRACTIVE TO CAPITAL. AND YOU KNOW WE WANT TO SERVICE THOSE WITH THE AFFORDABILITY JUST LIKE WE DO OUR YOU KNOW, ANYONE ELSE. SO IT'S FULL MARKET RATE, THE SAME LEVEL OF AMENITIES THAT WE'VE DONE ON PROJECTS IN ADDISON, ON FRISCO, IN IRVING AND IN FORT WORTH. SO NO CHANGES FROM OUR PROGRAMING. WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS, THIS APPROACH IS THAT IT BRINGS AN AFFORDABLE OPTION, BUT IN A MARKET RATE PRODUCT AND THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPETE ON A NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE MARKET, YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT AND COMPETE ON THAT LEVEL. AND IT'S A GENERALLY A VERY DIFFERENT OUTCOME THAN WHEN IT IS 100% AFFORDABLE UNIT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER YOU WANTED TO SAY? NO, I JUST I KNOW WE'VE BROUGHT THIS PROJECT TO COUNCIL A COUPLE TIMES SO FAR. I THINK OUR SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED A LITTLE UNDER TWO YEARS AGO. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS PROGRAM AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY, TO THE RESIDENTS OF MCKINNEY, TO EAST MCKINNEY. AND I'M NOT GOING TO LIE, IF DIDN'T MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO CAPITAL AND TO EQUITY TO FUND THE DEVELOPMENT, SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL. HENCE WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. COULD YOU PUT THAT SLIDE BACK UP ON THE DISTRIBUTION OF UNITS? THANK YOU. COULD YOU GO TO THE ONE BEFORE THAT. TELL ME WHEN TO STOP. I JUST WANTED THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY WERE AT FIVE. HOW MANY WERE AT 16. HOW MANY WERE AT 80. AND ARE THERE UNITS BEING LEASED AT MARKET RATE AS WELL? 50% OF THE UNITS AT THE PROPERTY WILL REMAIN MARKET RATE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND THIS IS A CLASS A PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES, SIR. DOES IT HAVE VALET PARKING? NO. WE REALLY IN THESE TYPES OF WOOD FRAMED STRUCTURES, THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY AN AMENITY YOU PROVIDE. MAYBE IN UPTOWN DALLAS OR, YOU KNOW, HIGH RISE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. MAYBE IT'S NOT CLASS A, THE DEFINITION, OF COURSE, OF CLASS A, FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND IT, IS NOTHING TO DO WITH VALET PARKING. VALET PARKING WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE STRUCTURED PARKING, THAT THE PRODUCT IS WRAPPED AROUND, WHERE YOU HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS AND DIRECT ACCESS TO YOUR VEHICLE. VALET PARKING WOULD BE SOMETHING NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE CLASS A, CLASS B, CLASS F, CLASS Z WOULD BE. WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING AVAILABLE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE PARKING OFF SITE. WHAT MAKES IT CLASS A IS THE TYPE OF

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CONSTRUCTION, THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION, STRUCTURE. PARKING GENERALLY TAKES IT TO THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS VERY, VERY HIGH. BUT JUST FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT CLASS A CONSTRUCTION MEANS, CLASS A PRODUCT, THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.

I'M THINKING THE MAYOR IS GOING TO VOTE FOR YOUR PROJECT. WELL, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST BE ACCURATE WHEN I SPEAK AS TO WHAT THINGS MEAN. IT'S A IT'S A QUESTION AND PROBABLY JUST YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE VERSED ON THIS THAN ME ABOUT THE VOUCHER SYSTEM ITSELF. EVERY YEAR I SEE LIKE THE MCKINNEY HOUSING AUTHORITY, HAVE THEY POST THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THEY, THEY OPEN UP THE SYSTEM TO, TO APPLY FOR A VOUCHER. AND I GUESS TO MY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE A VOUCHER FROM MCKINNEY, YOU CAN HAVE IT FROM PLANO OR ANYWHERE AND SUBMIT THAT VOUCHER FOR AN APARTMENT. THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THAT SYSTEM I KNOW THAT WE HAVE IN MCKINNEY ALWAYS CRASHES, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T ABLE TO APPLY, AND THEN IT RUNS OUT OF TIME. AND THEN I JUST FROM MY OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM MCKINNEY ARE GETTING THESE VOUCHERS. AND I MAY BE WRONG. JUSTIN, IF YOU CAN INFORM ME ON THAT AND JUST FROM A COMMENT STANDPOINT, THE WAY HUD HAS DISTRIBUTED PUBLIC BENEFIT AND HOUSING HAS EVOLVED USED TO BE PUBLIC HOUSING, WHICH WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN RID OF. IT TRANSITIONED TO VOUCHER AND THEN IT'S TRANSITIONED TO LIKE THE LOGITECH PRODUCT. MCKINNEY WAS ALLOCATED ROUGHLY 350 VOUCHERS IN THE 1980S, AND THAT NUMBER HAS NEVER CHANGED. AND WITH THE FUNDING CONSTRAINTS THAT EXIST, EITHER THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR THROUGH THE COST OF LIVING IN MCKINNEY, THEY ONLY CAN ISSUE ABOUT 300 VOUCHERS OUT OF THE MCKINNEY HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND THAT'S THE SAME NUMBER THEY'VE HAD FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS. AND SO IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A VOUCHER THROUGH THE MCKINNEY HOUSING AUTHORITY. SO A LOT OF VOUCHERS WILL GO TO OR A LOT OF VOUCHER SEEKERS WILL GO TO CITIES LIKE PLANO, WHO HAD A HIGHER POPULATION IN THOSE ALLOCATIONS WERE MADE. AND THEY CAN THOSE ZONES HAVE KIND OF DIFFERENT MAPS. MCKINNEY. YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE UP TO 50 MILES FROM THE OFFICE TO USE A MCKINNEY HOUSING AUTHORITY VOUCHER SO OTHER AUTHORITIES CAN COME INTO THIS ZONE BASED ON THE ZONES THAT THEY'RE DEFINED. BUT MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING VOUCHERS ARE APPLYING AT SEVERAL PLACES.

MCKINNEY OPENS. THERE'S ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS AND WILL CAP IT VERY QUICKLY WHEN THEY REACH A THOUSAND PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST. SO YEAH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT PEOPLE WITH THESE VOUCHERS AND THEY COME IN FROM OTHER CITIES, BUT THAT CLARIFIES WHY. YEAH, I MEAN, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT DRIVES OUR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME NEED FOR HOUSING RENTALS, THIS 30%, WHICH WE HAVE TRIED TO FIND EVERY WAY TO, TO GENERATE IT, IS BECAUSE WE WERE ALLOCATED PUBLIC HOUSING IN THE 60S. WE HAVE MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE IN COLLIN COUNTY. WE HAD 200 UNITS. WE HAVE 350 VOUCHERS THAT WERE ASSIGNED, WHICH END UP BEING ABOUT 300 UNITS. AND THAT'S IT. WE HAVEN'T GROWN THE HUD ALLOCATED. KIND OF ASSISTANCE SINCE THAT TIME. AS WE'VE, YOU KNOW, OUR POPULATION HAS GROWN EIGHT TIMES, TEN TIMES OVER. NOW WE DO HAVE THE HIGH TECH UNITS. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD TO MAKE COMPARISONS FROM CITIES TO CITY ON WHAT LY TECH LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT ENTIRE SUBSIDIZED HOUSING STOCK. WE DEVELOPED A LOT IN THE 90S AND EARLY 2000 WHEN LY TECH BECAME THE HUD PREFERRED OPTION.

SO WE HAVE SOME LY TECH UNITS, BUT THOSE LY TECH UNITS STILL DON'T GET DOWN TO THIS 30% THAT THEY'RE ULTIMATELY GETTING TO. AND IT'S NOT AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF UNITS. BUT THE GOOD THING AND GEORGE MENTIONED IT, THE MAYOR MENTIONED IT THE WAY THAT THIS PROGRAM SPREADS THOSE OUT AND PUTS THEM INTO MIXED INCOME PROPERTIES IS ONE OF THE BETTER WAYS IN WHICH HOUSING SUBSIDY CAN BE DELIVERED, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE KIND OF THE SERVICES TO SUPPORT, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION, ACCESS TO, YOU KNOW, GOOD JOBS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, SPREADING IT OUT IS A GOOD THING. AND SO, YEAH, THAT WAS A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, MICHAEL. I'M SORRY. THANKS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A COMMENT, BUT I CAN SAVE IT. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S JUST A RESOLUTION REQUEST. THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. YOU WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT? YEAH, I'LL MAKE MY COMMENT. THE. THERE'S SOME GOOD ABOUT THIS, AND THERE'S SOME BAD ABOUT THIS TO ME. THE GOOD ABOUT IT IS, IS THAT WE ARE GETTING SOME LEVEL OF DENSITY IN AN AREA OF TOWN THAT WE NEED IT SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE AMENITIES HERE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ON COUNCIL, WE HAD A BIG

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PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS, AND WE SAW PEDESTAL PARKING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MCKINNEY HISTORY.

THE REASON WAS, WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WRAPPED PARKING, WHICH YOU'RE DOING HERE WOULDN'T WORK ON A NUMBER OF THE LOTS, AND THAT WAS HOW THEY WOULD GET THE DENSITY IN. AND THAT WAS A VERY HIGH VALUE. HIGH RENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK THE GOOD SOCIO ECONOMIC BENEFIT. I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE WE WOULD COME BACK FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND THE DIFFICULTY THAT I HAVE IS THAT WHILE I APPRECIATE THE 13 UNITS THAT 30% OF AMI, THAT'S WHERE OUR NEED IS HERE IN MCKINNEY. WE HAVE MORE OR LESS IN MY IN MY THESE ARE MY WORDS, NOT ANYBODY ELSE'S. BUT OVER SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR 80% OF AMI WHERE OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES HAVE UNDER SOLVED THAT PROBLEM. SO TO ME, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE DOING TWO THINGS THAT I THAT I JUST DON'T LIKE. WE'RE TAKING A MASSIVE PROPERTY OFF THE TAX ROLLS THAT AREN'T GOING TO HELP, YOU KNOW, SPREAD THE TAX BASE OUT THERE. IT'S ALL GOING TO GO TO THE MHA FOR 13 UNITS AT 5%, 13 UNITS. SO AND THE OTHER PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ASKED THIS. SO MAYBE IT'S NOT FAIR FOR ME TO SAY IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE OLD MILL DISTRICT AND I WAS WITH ARTIE, FOSTER SISTER YESTERDAY. SHE'S 71 YEARS OLD. SHE GREW UP IN THE MILL DISTRICT. THIS IS SOME OLD INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE, SOME OLD WATER AND SEWER. AND I HAVE A FEELING IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US TO HELP SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. AND IF IT DOES, HERE'S A HERE'S A PROJECT THAT ISN'T ADDING TO THE TAX ROLLS THAT WOULD BE DOING THAT. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS A GOOD LOOKING PROJECT, AND IT'S BETTER THAN SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN MCKINNEY. BUT I JUST THINK I'M FULL OF 80% UNITS IN THE CITY. SO THANK YOU. I'LL JUST SAY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS PRESENTED, IT WAS FOR ME, OVERWHELMINGLY DENSE FOR THE AREA AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT. SO I HAD CONCERNS BACK THEN, WHICH IS WHY I VOTED AGAINST THE PROJECT, NOT BECAUSE I AM ANTI DENSITY IN ANY WAY, BUT IT'S JUST FOR THAT PART OF TOWN WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. I THOUGHT IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY DENSE, SO I VOTED AGAINST IT THEN. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, BUT I'M STILL NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. APPRECIATE THE COMMENT. THANK YOU. AND THEN PATRICK NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND, BUT JUST I GUESS TO SPEAK TO THE 80% AT AMI. WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PROGRAMS FOR THE 30%, AND MAYBE THEY'RE UNDERUTILIZED HERE IN MCKINNEY.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD THAT MARKET RATE. BUT THAT 80% AMI OR I GUESS IN THE AFFORDABLE SPACE THAT THAT MISSING MIDDLE GROUP THAT WE CALL IT ARE THE ESSENTIAL WORKERS, THAT ENTRY LEVEL POLICE OFFICERS, TECHS, TEACHERS. AND THERE IS A DRAMATIC NEED, SPECIFICALLY IN THE MCKINNEY MARKET, THAT WE ARE SEEING THAT 80% AMI FOR A ONE PERSON IS AROUND 61,000 ANNUALLY. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THE RANGES OF, FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR WATER TECHNICIANS OR YOUR FORENSIC INVESTIGATORS OR YOUR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS OR YOUR TEACHERS AND YOUR COUNSELORS ALL MAKING IN THAT RANGE. AND THAT REALLY IS THAT MISSING MIDDLE OR THAT MARKET THAT WE'RE SERVING? I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'LL SAY THIS. WE HAVE ONE AFFORDABLE UNIT FOR ROUGHLY EVERY 70 RESIDENCES. SOME OF OUR SISTER CITIES HAVE ONE FOR EVERY 550 RESIDENTS. WE ARE HOUSING THEIR PEOPLE ON PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING AT VALOREM TAX ON. SO WHAT I BELIEVE, AND I COULD BE WRONG, IS THAT WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AROUND HERE OF SOLVING THIS FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO DO. I'D LIKE OUR SISTER CITIES TO STEP UP. THEY DON'T LISTEN TO ME. BUT MY ONLY MECHANISM REALLY IS, IS TO SEARCH FOR MORE WAYS TO HELP THE 30% PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHERE I BELIEVE THE NEED IS, BUT NOT DOING IT WITH WHAT I THINK IS A SLEDGEHAMMER APPROACH OF USING THESE 80% UNITS. BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. PATRICK. JUSTIN, I'D BE INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS EVEN DEEPER ON THIS. THIS IS YOUR THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT. THIS. THIS. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THIS PRODUCT DOES. AND AS PATRICK SAID, DOESN'T DO ON THE TAX SIDE. IT DOESN'T DO THAT ON THE POSITIVE SIDE FOR DEVELOPMENT IT IT AGAIN CAN BE A CATALYST PROJECT AND NEW DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT DESPERATELY NEEDS IT. BUT IT'S YOUR DISTRICT. TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS. YEAH. SO I MEAN WE'VE ALREADY ZONED THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE THE EXPECTATION THAT THAT THAT THIS WILL DEVELOP IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE ZONED IT. AND THAT THAT WILL PROVIDE INCOMES AND BE A DRIVER FOR THE COMMERCIAL NEEDS THAT WE, WE HAVE IN EAST MCKINNEY. I THINK WHAT THIS DOES AND THERE'S TWO REASONS FOR IT, BUT ONE, ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS THAT I MENTIONED WAS THE MIX THAT IT DOES PROVIDE KIND OF THIS STAGGERED LEVEL OF RENTS INTO THIS PRODUCT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ULTIMATELY SACRIFICE QUALITY TO GET THAT. BUT THE OTHER THING IT DOES. WE THERE'S NOT ANOTHER MECHANISM FOR. BRINGING ABOUT THE 30% PRODUCT THAT'S BEEN THE ISSUE IS

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THAT HUD DOESN'T ULTIMATELY PROVIDE US WITH A WHOLE LOT OF TOOLS TO DO THAT. AND WHILE WE IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A SCALPEL WHERE WE SAY WE WANT TO, WE'RE WILLING TO DEDICATE, YOU KNOW, X NUMBER OF DOLLARS OVER X NUMBER OF YEARS TO BRING 30% UNITS. WE DON'T HAVE A TOOL TO DO THAT.

AND WE COULDN'T DIVERSIFY THAT OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO THE STATE PROVIDES US THIS TOOL. AND YOU KNOW, THE STATE IS HAS GRANTED THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. THEY THEY THEY GRANT US THE SAME. RIGHT. BUT THIS IS THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT IS DOING THIS THAT EXCHANGES THE TAX FOR THE AFFORDABILITY AND ULTIMATELY THAT THAT 80% PROVIDER IS IT'S STILL A PRETTY HEALTHY RENT FOR OUR MARKET. BUT THAT IS THAT'S TAX. THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO TO THE STATE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TAX. THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO TO US FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OUR SACRIFICE. WE'RE SIMPLY TRANSFERRING LARGELY WHAT WE WOULD GET IN SALES TAX AND PROPERTY TAX OVER TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND THEN WE HAVE A BOARD THAT WE CAN TASK WITH ACHIEVING THE GOALS THAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE IN THIS CITY WITH THEM. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A BIG SACRIFICE ON OUR BUDGET IN THIS WAY. AS LONG AS WE GET THE GOALS THAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE OUT OF THAT HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, I THINK A JOINT MEETING WITH THEM TO KIND OF OUTLAY WHAT IS THEIR EXPECTED REVENUES AND WHAT TOOLS THAT THEY CAN UTILIZE. THEY'VE GOT SOME LIMITATIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY OUR TAX IS NOT NECESSARILY AT RISK IN THIS. AND YOU YOU SHOWED THE SLIDE. IT'S IN ONE OF THESE DEEP INTO THE FOURTH BULLET THERE. BUT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON THIS IS 95%. AND THAT MEANS THAT WHEN YOU TAKE THE TAXES THAT THEY WOULD PAY TO THE CITY, TO THE, TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, TO THE STATE, TO THE COUNTY, AND TO THE. COLLEGE, THEY'RE ULTIMATELY PAYING IN SOME SORT OF RENT REDUCTION, RENT SAVINGS AND OR RENTAL LEASE TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND SO ULTIMATELY, WE RECOVER ALL OF THAT TAX LIABILITY THAT WE'RE GRANTING THEM. AND THAT'S THESE EVALUATIONS. THAT NUMBER CAN VARY A LOT. ONE OF THE BETTER ONES THAT WE'VE HAD WAS A SIMILAR PROJECT ON AN OLDER PROPERTY, WHICH HAD A LOT MORE ROOM FOR AFFORDABILITY. IT WAS 115% THIS ONE, BECAUSE IT'S A NEWER PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS REALLY CLOSE TO THAT 100% RECOVERY. BUT ULTIMATELY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT IS A GOOD WAY TO GET THESE PROJECTS ON THE GROUND. IT BRINGS A GOOD MIX OF RENT LEVELS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME INTO THIS COMMUNITY. AND I'LL SAY THIS AGAIN, I THINK BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND WHAT WILL COME AROUND DOWNTOWN TO THE COTTON MILL AND I MENTIONED THE OVERLAY ZONES AND THINGS WE NEED TO DO ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE. WE CAN MAKE THIS CORRIDOR ONE OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER PLACES TO LIVE. AND WE NEED CATALYST PROJECTS LIKE THIS TO GET IT OFF THE GROUND. AND SO I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING I'M IN FAVOR OF OVERLAYING IT ALONG HIGHWAY FIVE SO THAT WE GET BETTER COMMERCIAL RESOURCES IN THOSE ZONES AND GET RID OF SOME OF THE USED CAR AND MECHANIC SHOPS THAT PROLIFERATE IN THAT AREA. AND ULTIMATELY THAT WE PROVIDE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN ALL OF EAST MCKINNEY THAT REALLY ELEVATES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EVERYBODY. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. JUSTIN I IT DOESN'T HAVE A VOTING THING UP FOR ME. FOR YOU. MOTION PASSES. ITEM 240008A CONDUCT PUBLIC HEARING TO

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Petition to Annex (Case No. 24-0008A) and Request to Zone (Case No. 25-0006Z) the Subject Property to “C1” - Neighborhood Commercial District, Located on the East side of County Road 166 and Approximately 500 Feet South of County Road 168, and Accompanying Ordinance(s)]

CONSIDER AN ACT ON A PETITION TO ANNEX CASE NUMBER 240008A AND REQUEST TO ZONE CASE NUMBER 250006Z. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO C1 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 166 AND APPROXIMATELY 500FT SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 168 AND ACCOMPANYING ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. MAYOR KEITH STRICKLAND, PLANNING MANAGER FOR CITY OF MCKINNEY.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ANNEX. I'M GOING TO EXCUSE MYSELF FROM THE VOTE ON THIS.

THANK YOU. AND OPEN THE FLOOR. SCOTT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ANNEX AND ZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY'S EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. I WOULD I WOULD PULL IT UP, BUT IT SAYS NO SAUCE DETECTED. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO UTILIZE YOUR. OH. OH, PERFECT.

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APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ANNEXATION AND ZONING HERE ON COUNTY ROAD 166 AND SOUTH OF 168. IT IS ACTUALLY DIRECTLY WEST OF THE NEWLY REZONED HONEY CREEK PROPERTY THAT YOU ALL SAW A FEW MONTHS AGO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING C1, WHICH IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. THIS PROPERTY DOES FALL WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND ESTATE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE ANNEXATION AND ZONING AND FIND THAT IT ALIGNS WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SHOULD HELP SUPPORT THE AREA. AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS. NO. NO.

THE. I GUESS THE APPLICANT IS HERE. COME ON UP. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS TRAVIS MONDOK. I AM THE ENGINEER ON THE SITE. THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS TODAY. THE INTENTION FOR THIS PROPERTY, OF COURSE, IS TO DEVELOP A SPIRITUAL CENTER FOR THE HEART OF KRISHNA MOVEMENT HERE IN THE DFW AND MCKINNEY AREA SPECIFICALLY. WE PICKED THIS SPOT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS CENTRAL TO THE LOCATION OF WHERE MY CLIENT IS INTERESTED IN BEING. THEY THEY ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN ADVANCE OF THIS. AND THE INTENT FOR THIS IS JUST TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THEIR RELIGIOUS OR THEIR RELIGIOUS FACILITY ON THAT SITE. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. QUESTIONS. OKAY. SEEING NONE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION? MR. MAYOR, I'LL MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE THIS ITEM AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. I STILL GOT NOTHING. AND. THE. MOTION PASSES. ITEM 2400832. CONDUCT A

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “PD” - Planned Development District to “PD” - Planned Development District, Generally to Allow a High-Rise Telecommunication Structure and to Modify the Development Standards, Located at 4877 West University Drive, and Accompanying Ordinance]

PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ACT ON REQUEST TO REZONE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ALLOW A HIGH RISE TELECOMMUNICATION STRUCTURE AND TO MODIFY THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. LOCATED AT 4877 WEST UNIVERSITY DRIVE AND ACCOMPANYING ORDINANCE. THANK YOU MAYOR. APPRECIATE IT. AS YOU HAVE STATED, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER. IT WILL STILL HAVE THE STORAGE FACILITY ON SITE. THEY ARE JUST GOING TO BE PERFECT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IN THE FAR SOUTHWEST CORNER TO HAVE THE PROPOSED MONOPOLE DESIGN TOWER.

SO IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY EXTERNAL FEATURES. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANY ANTENNAE FOR OUR UDC REQUIREMENTS. YOU ARE YOU ARE UNABLE TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF STRUCTURES. I DID WANT TO I'M GOING TO PROBABLY STEAL, UNFORTUNATELY, MARK HAUSER'S THUNDER JUST A LITTLE BIT AND WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT OF 1996, THAT FEDERAL REGULATIONS SET FORTH ACTUALLY SPECIFY LIMITATIONS ON A CITY'S AUTHORITY TO REGULATE ZONING AND LAND USE DECISIONS ON WIRELESS SERVICE FACILITIES. AND SO, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE UNABLE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, OF COURSE, IS MAY NOT MAKE LOCAL DECISIONS THAT ARE BASED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ON SUPPOSED ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS AND OR HEALTH EFFECTS OF RADIOFREQUENCY MUST MAKE ANY DENIAL OF AN APPLICATION IN WRITING, SUPPORTED BY SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE WRITTEN RECORD, AND MUST ACT ON APPLICATIONS WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME. SO I WANTED TO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NOTED THAT EARLY ON, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED AND WE'RE GOVERNED BY THAT FEDERAL REGULATION. BUT STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS. CURRENTLY, THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS GOING TO BE OVER 228FT AWAY FROM ANY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. IT IS PUSHED AS FAR OVER INTO THE SITE AS IT CURRENTLY COULD BE. IT'S GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EDGE. AND AS I NOTED BEFORE, IT WILL BE THAT MONOPOLE DESIGN, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY ANTENNAS ON THE OUTSIDE FEATURES.

ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED OR HAS SUBMITTED THE PROPAGATION MAPS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR Y'ALL TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE CELL SERVICE REQUIREMENTS IN THAT AREA. GIVEN ALL OF THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND THE. SITE SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT WE

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HAVE IN REGARDS TO TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO BY FEDERAL LAW, WHAT COULD BE A REASON TO DENY IT? WHAT WHAT WHAT REASONS ARE WE ABLE TO DENY? NOT SUGGESTING WE SHOULD DENY. I JUST WANT TO KNOW I WILL LET MARK HOUSER ANSWER THAT ONE. CLEARLY, IT WAS OUTSIDE OF OUR STANDARDS. IN OUR ORDINANCE REGARDING LOCATION, HEIGHT. THOSE ASPECTS, BUT NOT HEALTH ISSUES PER SE. SO YOUR MOTION WOULD NEED TO BE SPECIFIC TO A CERTAIN REGULATION THAT WE HAVE. IS NOT IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF OUR REGULATION IN THIS REQUEST? I DON'T I DIDN'T SEE ANY ANY VARIANCE LISTED. NO. THEY'RE REQUESTING EVERYTHING THAT WAS WOULD MEET ALL OF OUR TYPICAL TYPICAL CRITERIA. IT IS SET FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL. IT'S GOING TO MEET THE SPECIFIC HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS BY COMING THROUGH WITH THE ZONING. AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY VISIBILITY WITH ANY ANTENNAE OR WITH THE LANDSCAPING AT THE BOTTOM FOR THEIR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. SO WHEN YOU SAY NO VISIBILITY, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING NO ANTENNAS.

YOU'LL SEE THE POLE. YOU'LL STILL YOU'LL. YES, YOU'LL STILL SEE THE POLE. YOU JUST WILL NOT SEE SOME OF THOSE OLDER DESIGNS THAT HAVE THE ANTENNA ON THE OUTSIDE, LIKE OUR WATER TOWER.

YES. WHICH IS NOT A POLE. BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING.

YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. THE APPLICANT WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE WE OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? SHOULD I? OKAY. MAYOR. COUNCIL, THANK. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US MAKE OUR PRESENTATION FOR THIS TOWER. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE PLANNING STAFF. WE WORKED VERY HARD WITH THEM ON MAKING SURE THAT OUR TOWER COMPLIED WITH EVERYTHING.

WITH THE CITY MEETING SETBACKS EVEN EXCEEDING THE SETBACKS FROM RESIDENTIAL. THEY'VE JUST BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND TOWER THAT I HAVE DONE IN MCKINNEY RECENTLY.

BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE TOWER AT CRAIG RANCH THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION ON, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN QUITE A WHILE THAT I'D WORKED WITH THE CITY STAFF, AND JUST THAT THEY WERE GREAT TO WORK WITH AND VERY, VERY HELPFUL AND GAVE US THE GUIDANCE THAT WE NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS. SHE MENTIONED THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE USING. IT'S KIND OF A LAYMAN'S TERM, BUT IT'S CALLED A FLAGLESS FLAGPOLE OR A SLICK STICK. ALL OF THE ANTENNAS WILL BE ENCASED INSIDE OF THE TOWER. SO WHENEVER SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO WORK ON IT, THEY ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OFF THE PANEL TO WORK ON IT. I THINK I'VE SEEN THE PROPAGATION MAPS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THEM AGAIN OR PULL THEM UP. WE'RE WE'RE COVERING AN AREA THAT NEEDS HELP, AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO REALLY ENHANCE THE COVERAGE OVER IN THAT HOSPITAL AREA. NOT ONLY FOR THE HOSPITAL, THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND EVERYONE ELSE OVER THERE. THAT BEING SAID, I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, SIR. DID YOU INVESTIGATE OTHER AREAS RIGHT AROUND THIS AREA TO SEE, AND IF SO, WHAT WAS YOUR RESULTS IN THAT INVESTIGATION? THE OTHER AREA. WE WERE APPROACHED BY A COUPLE OF SOME OF THE CARRIERS THAT HAD BEEN LOOKING IN THE AREA FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THEY HAD ENGAGED FIRMS TO GO AND TRY TO FIND OTHER LOCATIONS. THEY CAME TO US KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A NICHE IN DEVELOPING PROPERTIES ON THE STORAGE TYPE FACILITIES, AND WE KNEW THAT WE HAD ONE OVER THERE. WE DID NOT PERSONALLY GO ENGAGE ANY OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES, BUT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE COME TO US HAD THE EASIER SITES BEEN EXHAUSTED, I SEE. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. THANK YOU SIR. HOW MANY PEOPLE DIDN'T SAY I DIDN'T STATE MY NAME? WANT ME TO READ THAT IN THE RECORD, PLEASE? SHE HASN'T ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A CARD, BUT DO DO STATE DAVID PREJEAN. MY ADDRESS IS 5600 WEST LOVER'S LANE, SUITE 116, DALLAS, 75209. THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP? TWO. ALL RIGHT. MARK RUTLEDGE. THREE. HI. MARK

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RUTLEDGE, 1830 MEADOW RANCH DRIVE IN MCKINNEY. 26 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE GREAT CITY OF MCKINNEY. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF AND CONCISE, WHICH AREN'T NORMALLY ATTRIBUTES OF MINE, BUT WE'LL GET THIS DONE. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT OPPOSED TO CELL TOWERS.

WE'RE NOT OPPOSED GENERALLY TO THIS CELL TOWER. WE'RE FINE PEOPLE. THE NEW CELL TOWER DOES NEED TO BE BUILT IN THE AREA WE BELIEVE, BUT WE THINK STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF TAP THE BRAKES ON THIS ONE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT APPEARS THAT THE DUE DILIGENCE REALLY WASN'T DONE FOR THIS. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, THE LOCATION OF THIS CELL TOWER IS ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ADJACENT TO A CREEK. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT CREEK IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED, RIGHT? THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE. THAT WAS NEVER DONE. AND THAT'S THAT TO ME, IS A INDICATION OF LACK OF DUE DILIGENCE. THAT'S AN ANNOYANCE. BUT WHAT'S NOT AN ANNOYANCE IS A LOCATION. AND THE FACT THAT THEY HAD NOT LOOKED AT OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA OF UNDERUTILIZED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHICH THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF THAT IN THE AREA.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SATELLITE MAP RIGHT BEHIND THE KROGER'S, BEHIND THE SONIC, VERY SIMILAR AREAS THAT COULD HAVE THAT COULD HOST A CELL TOWER SUCH AS THIS, BUT NOT IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. LAST THING I WANT TO SAY, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTARY ON THE 1996 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT. I WAS IN THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY WHEN THAT WAS PASSED AND VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE ATTORNEY'S POSITION ON THAT. NO ARGUMENT WITH THAT, BUT I WILL I WILL SAY THIS. I HAVE TO SAY THIS IN 1996, G2 WAS JUST BEING INTRODUCED OF CELLULAR COVERAGE, RIGHT? OPERATES 900MHZ TO ABOUT 2.6GHZ. GEN THREE, GEN FOUR, WE'RE ABOUT THE SAME FREQUENCY BANDS. HOWEVER, FIFTH GENERATION CELLULAR OPERATES AS HIGH AS 60GHZ. RIGHT? OH. I'M OUT. YOU KNOW, I NORMALLY WOULDN'T DO THIS, BUT I WANT TO HEAR THE LAST SENTENCE. OKAY. NO, THE HIGHER FREQUENCIES NEED HIGHER POWER TO TRANSMIT TO PROPAGATE OVER LONG DISTANCES. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A MUCH HIGHER CELL POWER CELL TOWER THAN WHAT THAT TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT COVERED. THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU RICK MCDANIEL. AND YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MR. MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO REALLY SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MR. RUTLEDGE HAS JUST EXPRESSED TO THE COUNCIL. I CAN ONLY SAY THAT THERE ARE FOUR CORNERS AT THE INTERSECTION OF 380 AND LAKE FOREST. ONLY ONE OF THOSE CORNERS HAS A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND THAT'S MEADOW RANCH ESTATES. AND SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE REVISIT THIS ISSUE AND LOOK AT THE OTHER THREE CORNERS. I KNOW FROM AN ELEVATION STANDPOINT, BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE, THAT CORNER IS HIGHER THAN OURS. WHEN THE APPLICANT MADE MENTION AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING AS TO WHY THE AREA THAT WAS CHOSEN WAS CHOSEN, HE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED COST, AND I WOULD ASK THAT IF COST IS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE REVISIT THE PLACEMENT. I'M CERTAINLY NOT AGAINST 5G. I'M ALL FOR FIRST RESPONDERS BEING ABLE TO BE REACHED WHEN WE NEED THEM THE MOST, AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR COVERAGE. ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT WE REVISIT THE PLACEMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR TOWER AND IF IT DOES PASS, I DIDN'T MENTION WHERE I LIVE. I LIVE AT 1841 MEADOW RANCH ROAD. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND ME BECAUSE THE TOWER WILL LITERALLY BE IN MY BACKYARD. I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND MY PROPERTY. I WALK OUT AND I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT IT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE LOCATED. JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK FROM MY PROPERTY. SO I JUST AGAIN, I WOULD ASK THAT WE REVISIT THE PLACEMENT AND LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. I UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL PARAMETERS THAT WERE MENTIONED, BUT IF THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE ANY CONTROL AS TO REVISITING THE PLACEMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR TOWER, I ASK THAT YOU RESPECTFULLY DO THAT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES, MR. MAYOR, COULD I VISIT WITH THE APPLICANT AGAIN? YES. COULD YOU TELL US WHAT EFFORTS YOU STILL WANT TO VOTE FOR? WE STILL WANT TO VOTE ON THE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M SORRY. I

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THOUGHT YOU WERE CALLING FOR A VOTE. NO, NO, NO PUBLIC HEARING. JUST WANT TO CLOSE THAT. MY APOLOGIES. STAY THERE. MAY I, PLEASE? THANK YOU. UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THIS INTERSECTION GENERALLY AS A DESIRABLE LOCATION. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FEDERAL RULES ARE THAT ARE STRONGLY IN YOUR FAVOR, WHICH WINDS UP COSTING THIS CITY A TON OF MONEY GETTING INTO A FEDERAL LAWSUIT, IF YOU SHOULD FILE IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT EFFORTS YOU MADE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE COMMERCIAL CORNERS AT THAT INTERSECTION, KNOWING THAT THE THREE OF THE FOUR ARE ALL COMMERCIAL. WELL, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WHEN WE WERE APPROACHED TO COME IN, OTHER EFFORTS HAD BEEN MADE, BUT WE WERE NOT PART OF THOSE EFFORTS. BUT I THINK THAT. THAT WE IDENTIFIED A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND MET WITH THE CITY AND ATTEMPTED AND DID CONFORM WITH EVERYTHING THAT THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE CITY. SO IN OUR MIND, THIS PROPERTY WAS JUST AS VIABLE AS ANYTHING ELSE OVER THERE. SOME OF THE LARGER SHOPPING CENTERS ARE MORE DIFFICULT, ACTUALLY, TO SITE A TOWER ON DUE TO THE PARKING AND OTHER THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE FOCUSED ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE CHOSE AND MET WITH THE CITY AND FELT LIKE WE CONFORMED WITH ALL THE CITY REQUIREMENTS AND ORDINANCES TO MAKE THAT SITE WORK. IF, IF THE IF A SITE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HOSPITAL PROPERTY WAS AN OPTION AND COSTS WERE EQUAL, IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT SITE WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE? FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE VERY WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT WOULD TAKE TO PLEASE THE COUNCIL. WE ALSO RESPECT HOW THE NEIGHBORS FEEL OVER THERE. WE DO FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE SPENT A TON OF MONEY ON OUR OWN DEVELOPMENT OF IT. SO FOR US TO GO FIND ANOTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE WE'D BE REPLICATING A LOT OF COST. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. HOW DO YOU DEFINE THE AREA OF WHERE WE HAVE TO GO AND COME BACK AND SAY, DID WE MEET YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AGAIN? I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE ISSUE. WE'RE NOT AGAINST TRYING TO APPEASE EVERYONE AND ALSO APPEASE OUR CLIENTS. BUT I DON'T I GUESS I'M TRYING TO DEFINE WHAT IS IT GOING AND CHECKING ON THE FOUR CORNERS OR THE, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR DOES IT GO AND WHAT WOULD WHAT DO WE NEED TO SHOW THAT WE'VE DONE, AS YOU WANT TO SAY, OUR DUE DILIGENCE? YEAH, I, I THINK THE OBVIOUS, THE OBVIOUS ISSUE THAT'S BEEN TAKEN HAS BEEN VOICED ALREADY THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE FOUR CORNERS, IT'S THE ONLY ONE RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. AND OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD AGREE THAT. AND I'M SURE IF IT HAD PRESENTED ITSELF ALREADY, YOU'D PICK A NON RESIDENTIAL SPOT THAN A RESIDENTIAL. I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE ASKING, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE REALLY THE RIGHT TO ASK, BUT I'M ASKING IT ANYWAY. IS THERE ANY WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT LOOK AT THE OTHER FOUR CORNERS, THE OTHER THREE CORNERS? IF IT IS A MONETARY ISSUE, I SHOULD ACTUALLY TAKE US INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND TALK TO MY CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. WELL, I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND WE WE'RE NOT AGAINST EXPLORING THOSE OTHER CORNERS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I DON'T THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. ARE THOSE THOSE PROPERTIES OVER THERE AND BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DO WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WOULD YOU OBJECT IF I ASKED TO TABLE THIS MATTER UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING OR ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, IF I COULD, CHARLIE, BECAUSE I WAS ABOUT TO ASK NOT TO TABLE TO CONTINUE IT, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO SEE IF YOU'LL CONTINUE IT FOR AT LEAST ONE MEETING, PREFERABLY TO LET US TAKE SOME STEPS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO EASIER, QUICKER THAN YOU AS A MUNICIPALITY WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND THOSE CORNERS AND THE HOSPITAL WHERE WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS. SEE IF WE MIGHT IF YOU WOULD GIVE US JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO SEE IF WE CAN'T FIND A SOLUTION FOR THIS

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TOWER THAT WILL ACHIEVE WHAT YOU NEED IT TO ACHIEVE FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, AND NOT BE PLACED RIGHT NEXT TO THE ONLY. AND IT'S ONE OF THE OLDER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT JUST TO CONTINUANCE FOR NO MORE THAN TWO MEETINGS? YES, I, I SO APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT WITH STAFF JUMPING ON THIS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME FIND A SOLUTION THAT, AGAIN ACHIEVES WHAT YOU NEED AND DOESN'T, DOESN'T HINDER OR HURT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. MR. MAYOR, BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN STAFF COME BACK UP? MR. RUTLEDGE MENTIONED THAT NO ONE WAS NOTICED. SHOULD THERE HAVE BEEN NOTICING? AND IF THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTICING, THEN WHY DIDN'T WE DO IT? OR DID WE DO IT? AND IF THERE SHOULDN'T BE NOTICING, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? OF COURSE. SO I VERIFIED PRIOR TO THIS MEETING THAT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER WERE NOTIFIED WITH A PUBLIC PROPERTY OWNER NOTIFICATION POSTCARD? OKAY, SO THEY WERE NOTIFIED BY THE CITY.

THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN, MR. MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL MAKE ONE MORE REMARK BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT. AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST TO MR. RUTLEDGE AND MR. MCDANIELS POINT THAT I'D PROBABLY DEFER THE POINT TO YOU WITH RESPECT TO THIS WAS THE INEXPENSIVE WAY, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I THINK THIS IS LOW MARGIN BUSINESS. SHORTLY BEFORE OR SHORTLY AFTER I GOT THIS, I WON THE ELECTION FOR THIS DISTRICT TWO. I GOT AN EMAIL THAT WILL ALWAYS AFFECT ME. AND IT WAS A WOMAN IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, AND SHE SAID, MY PARENTS LIVE IN YOUR COUNCIL DISTRICT, AND I'M THE ONLY CHILD. AND THEY HAVE A MY DAD HAS A HEART MONITOR THAT IS MONITORED BY AT&T CELLULAR. AND IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THE CELL SERVICE IS SO BAD WHERE YOU ARE. AND HERE SHE'S IN ORANGE COUNTY PETRIFIED ABOUT HER PARENTS. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THIS IS NOT A MUNICIPALLY CONTROLLED ITEM. THIS IS NOT A MUNICIPALLY CONTROLLED UTILITY. WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF THE FREE MARKET COMING TO US FOR THESE CELL TOWERS. AND FINALLY, TWO YEARS LATER, WE'RE GETTING ENOUGH CELL TOWERS. THANK YOU, SIR, IN DISTRICT TWO AND THEN ANOTHER ONE. SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY THAT MY BIAS IS, DESPITE CONCEDING THE POINT TO YOU THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE CHEAPEST PLACE, I'D PROBABLY VOTE FOR IT. BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT THE MAYOR IS DOING AND WHAT COUNCILMAN PHILLIPS SUGGESTED TO AT LEAST GIVE, GIVE US, WITH OUR RELATIONSHIPS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY A SAFETY ISSUE THAT WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CONTROL OVER, AND WE JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT YOU COME TO US WANTING TO BUILD THESE THINGS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. MAYOR. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE JUST A FEW COMMENTS. SO THIS IS MY DISTRICT. AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD UNFORTUNATELY, HAS SEEN A LOT OF RAPID CHANGE OVER THE COUPLE OF YEARS. RIGHT. IT'S A VERY LOVELY NEIGHBORHOOD, VERY LOVELY PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO ASSIST IN THIS MATTER, WE'D LIKE TO DO IT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO NEGATE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH A GAPING HOLE IN THEIR COMMUNICATION. AND AT THIS POINT, CELL SERVICE IS AN ESSENTIAL UTILITY. AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT ENOUGH. BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY AN ESSENTIAL UTILITY. I HAVE ACTUALLY MY MEDICAL ASSISTANT THAT I WORK WITH LIVES JUST EAST OF HERE, AND SHE SAYS SHE HAS TO STAND IN HER BATHROOM TO GET CELL SERVICE. RIGHT. SO WE DON'T WANT TO NEGATE THE FACT THAT THESE FOLKS ARE REALLY SUFFERING AND DELAYING COMMUNICATIONS DEVELOPMENT HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THEM AS WELL. BUT I DO THINK WE CAN DO THIS BETTER, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANOTHER OPTION. WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT HARDER ON YOU BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS. WE HAD A CASE ACTUALLY NOT LONG AFTER I GOT ON COUNCIL BACK IN 2021, AND IT WAS A TOWER ON A ON SCHOOL GROUNDS, AND I VOTED AGAINST IT AT THAT TIME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I HAD SOME CONCERNS, AND I'M ONLY MENTIONING THIS BECAUSE I GOT FOUR PHONE CALLS TODAY ABOUT THE HEALTH RISKS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING DOWN THAT ROAD. BUT I DO WANT TO REASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE DUG DEEP INTO THE DATA. AND THERE ARE IT IS NEGLIGIBLE COMPARED TO YOUR CELL PHONE. NEGLIGIBLE. SO THIS IS NOT A DECISION BASED ON HEALTH. THIS IS A DECISION PURELY BASED ON NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS TO BE CONNECTED TO EMERGENCY SERVICES, TO THEIR FAMILY. AND ALSO WE ENJOY THE CONVENIENCE AND THEY SHOULD HAVE IT TOO. BUT I THINK THE MAYOR IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I'M SO GLAD WE WERE. WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REALLY DIG IN AND LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, SO HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS WE CAN FOR YOU TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. AND I'M GOING TO VOLUNTEER THAT COUNCILMAN PHILLIPS WILL WILL PAY WHATEVER, WHATEVER DELTA IS NECESSARY. SECOND, FIRST, I WAS GOING TO LET YOU KNOW PART OF MY MOTION. OUR SITE NOW IS NOT EVEN A CHEAP SITE, SO IT'S BUT IF YOU GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US THAT OPPORTUNITY AND, AND CERTAINLY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WANTING

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TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIVE IN THIS A LITTLE DEEPER, AND IF YOU WANT ME TO PAY FOR IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WRITE ME A LETTER, OKAY? WE WILL INSTEAD OF CONTINUE. LET'S LET'S TABLE SO WE CAN HAVE A DATE. CERTAIN. SO YOU'RE NOT IN LIMBO. AND IF YOU WOULD GIVE US TWO MEETINGS, WHICH IS 30 DAYS, TO HAVE STAFF WORK WITH YOU AND, AND, AND THE COMMUNITY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH TO TRY TO ACHIEVE WHAT YOU NEED AND ACHIEVE WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS. YOU WANT TO DO THIS SO THAT WHAT'S THAT? WOULD THAT BE THE ONE OR THE. I THINK IT WOULD BE THE 20TH, MAY 20TH, MAY 20TH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO TABLE THIS ITEM, TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL MAY 22ND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES AT THE RIGHT RESIGNATION. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 2401102 CONDUCT PUBLIC HEARING

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “RS-60” - Single Family Residence to “PD” - Planned Development District, Generally to Allow for Trade School Uses and to Modify the Development Standards, Located on the Northeast Corner of Andrews Street and Green Street, and Accompanying Ordinance]

TO CONSIDER AN ACT ON A REQUEST TO REZONE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM OUR 60 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

PLANNED DEVELOPMENT GENERALLY TO ALLOW FOR TRADE SCHOOL USES AND TO MODIFY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ANDREW STREET AND GREEN STREET AND ACCOMPANYING ORDINANCE. MR. MAYOR, I'LL HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM VOTING ON THIS ONE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I PROMISE Y'ALL ARE ALMOST DONE WITH ME TONIGHT. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM OUR LEGACY ZONING DISTRICT OF RS. 60 WITH, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY IS ACTUALLY HUGS CAFE, WHICH IS WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR A NEW TRADE SCHOOL AND HEADQUARTERS, AS WELL AS CAFE AT THIS LOCATION. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF IN REGARDS TO DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT UNDER OUR CURRENT UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, TRADE SCHOOL IS A PERMITTED USE IN A TYPICAL STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT. HOWEVER, IT IS ONLY FOR PROFIT SCHOOL OR FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, SO HUGS DID NOT QUITE MEET WITHIN OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THEY CAME FORWARD WITH THE REZONE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. CURRENTLY WITH THE TRADE SCHOOL, A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 45FT. THEY HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS OUR CURRENT STANDARDS, AND THAT THE BUILDING WILL BE PUSHED THE REQUIRED 50FT AWAY FROM ANY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES, SO IT WILL MEET OUR TYPICAL STANDARDS OF HOW WE DEVELOP WITHIN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, CURRENTLY UNDER THE STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT. I DID WANT TO NOTE HERE. THESE ARE ALL OF THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED USES WITHIN THE AREA. TO THE LEFT OF THIS SITE IS ACTUALLY THE EXISTING TUPPS BREWERY. TO IN YELLOW IS GOING TO BE ALL OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES, AND THEN ORANGE IS THE VACANT PROPERTY.

SO ADDITIONALLY, WITH THE 50 FOOT SETBACK, THEY ARE ALSO GOING TO BE POSITIONING ANY OUTDOOR COMPONENTS OF THE SITE TOWARDS ANDREW STREET. SO THERE WILL BE NO OUTDOOR COMPONENTS FACING TOWARDS ANY RESIDENTIAL USES SO THAT THEY CAN MINIMIZE ANY IMPACT FOR THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE INCREASING THE REQUIRED CANOPY TREE COUNT ALONG THE STREET BUFFER FROM ONE PER 40 TO 1 PER 30 TO HELP WITH THE STREETSCAPE, ESPECIALLY ALONG GREEN. I DID WANT TO. THIS IS THERE FOR INFORMATIONAL ONLY, OF COURSE, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AT THIS LOCATION FOR THE TRADE SCHOOL. AND THEIR HEADQUARTERS. ADDITIONALLY, WITH IT BEING A TRADE SCHOOL USE, IT IS GOING TO BE A LOW INTENSITY USE FOR THIS AREA. SO STAFF DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT WILL HAVE A MONUMENTAL IMPACT. HAS LOW PARKING. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL. IT'S PUSHED AS FAR TOWARDS ANDREW AND GREEN AS IT POSSIBLY COULD BE, GIVEN THE UPDATED DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE LOW SCALE INTENSITY. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS REZONE AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAND USE? THAT ONE. SO THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, YOU'VE GOT THOSE AS VACANT, CORRECT? YES. YEAH. OKAY. THEY ARE ZONED RESIDENTIAL. SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE 50 FOOT REQUIREMENT AS WELL. BUT THE PROPOSED DESIGN MEETS ALL OF ■THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.

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THERE WILL BE PARKING ALONG THAT NORTHERN PORTION THAT IS CLOSER THAN OUR TYPICAL STANDARD.

HOWEVER, IT WILL HAVE THE SCREENING WALL AND THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING OR THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES. I MAYBE I'M TRYING TO COMPARE THAT TO A SATELLITE MAP AND THE PROPERTIES THAT ORIENT NORTH AND SOUTH, WHICH ALIGN WITH GREENVILLE, ARE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. CORRECT? THE PROPERTIES ALONG GREEN ARE ALL EXISTING RESIDENTIAL THAT HAVE OCCUPANTS THAT AREN'T THOSE THE ONES ON THE TOP RIGHT THAT SHOW IS VACANT PROPERTY. THE ONES THAT ORIENT NORTH AND SOUTH. LET ME HOLD ON. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST THE TWO TRACKS TO THE RIGHT? WELL, I'M TRYING TO GET ORIENTATION. I THINK THOSE TWO TRACKS WOULD BE THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL THAT ORIENTS ALONG GREENVILLE. AND I DON'T IT DOESN'T. I HEARD YOUR COMMENT ABOUT SETBACKS AND ALL THAT, AND I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY CHANGES. THERE YOU GO. CAN YOU GO BACK UP FROM THERE? EMPRESS, WHERE WERE YOU? YES. SO HERE IS CURRENTLY VACANT. THIS IS NOT PART OF THE HUGS REQUIREMENT OR HUGS REZONE DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH. CAN YOU GO BACK UP? POP UP. SO THAT PORTION IS CONSIDERED VACANT AND NOT PART OF THE OVERALL. REZONE BACK UP TO WHERE YOU ARE THERE. KEEP GOING UP TO THE PAGE BEFORE THAT. OH. THAT ONE. BECAUSE THAT SHOWS A DIFFERENT PLANNING MIX THERE THAN WHAT THE CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER PRESENTATION? THAT ONE. DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH TO ME. I'M SORRY. THOSE DON'T SEEM TO MATCH TO ME. THE PLANNING MIX ON ON TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THERE. OKAY, NO, I DEFINITELY SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH IS IT IS A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY BASED OFF THE AERIAL, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S AN EXISTING RESIDENCE ON A TRIANGULAR PIECE DIRECTLY NORTH OF THAT. YEAH, BUT I MEAN MORE. I CAN'T WRITE ON THIS THING. HOW MANY MORE OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTHEAST THAT ORIENT NORTH AND SOUTH? SO ALL OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG GREEN ARE GOING TO BE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE HUGS DEVELOPMENT. IT IS GOING TO BE ALL OF THE ENTRANCES ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INTERNAL TO THE SITE. SO THERE WON'T BE ANY DOORS OR PATIOS OR ANYTHING FACING TOWARDS GREEN. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, AND THEY ACTUALLY WORKED WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SOME ARCHITECTURAL ENHANCEMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T JUST LOOKING AT A GIANT CONCRETE WALL. SO THEY WORKED WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE ALONG GREEN FACING TOWARDS THE HUGS REDEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT JUST BE LOOKING AT BRICK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WITH THE APPLICANT? I HAVE BOTH THE ENGINEER AND I BELIEVE HUGS IS HERE AS WELL. OKAY. THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CASEY MCBROOM AND I'M WITH CROSS ENGINEERING. IF ANYBODY AT HUGS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST, FEEL FREE OR JUST OKAY, OTHERWISE I WILL. I WILL TAKE IT AWAY. I KNOW HUGS IS EXCITED TO BE HERE. WE'VE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF FOR QUITE A WHILE TO GET THE KIND OF THE NUANCES OF THE ZONING CORRECT. SO WE COULD BRING THIS TO THIS LOCATION. THIS WILL SERVE AS A AS A GOOD TOOL FOR HUGS TO TRAIN, YOU KNOW, NEW NEW STUDENTS OR NEW HIRES TO FOR THEIR FACILITY. IT WILL ALSO SERVE AS THE REPLACEMENT FOR THE CAFE DOWNTOWN WHEN THEIR LEASE IS UP. THIS WILL THIS WILL BECOME A NEW THE NEW CAFE FOR THEM AND ALSO A CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS. AND SO HAVING SAID THAT. HERE TO ANSWER

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ANY QUESTIONS. HAS THERE BEEN ANY PUSHBACK FROM RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS? I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY PUSHBACK AT ALL. I DON'T I'VE I'VE NOT SEEN ANY I'VE NOT GOTTEN ANY EMAILS. I'VE GOTTEN NOTHING. NO. SO I KNOW THE HABITAT HAS A HOUSE RIGHT BY THERE. AND THEY SEEM VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS. YES. THEY THEY'VE JUST BROKEN GROUND RECENTLY. YES, SIR. YES. RIGHT. TO THE, TO THE RIGHT THERE. AND THAT'S A GREAT LOOKING RENDERING. I LIKE THE BUILDING AND I THINK IT FITS WELL OUT THERE. AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A FINAL RENDERING. BUT IT IS A VERY IT'S A WORKING RENDER. SO THAT'S NOT JUST A PRETTY PICTURE. THEY'VE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THAT. AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A THAT'S A TRUE ISH DEPICTION OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. YES. THAT'S GREAT.

THE BUILDING IS FAR ALONG IN DESIGN AND ALL THAT. ALL THAT YOU SAW IS PRETTY ACCURATE.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. YOU BET. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM? OKAY. I IMAGINE THERE'S A MOTION. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM. I'LL SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. JUST NOT QUICK ENOUGH. MR. MAYOR, WHILE WE'RE VOTING, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE FOLKS FROM HUGS FOR THEIR PATIENCE BEING HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. THANK YOU ALL. YEAH. YOU KNOW HOW I THINK I KNOW THAT. YOU KNOW HOW EVERYONE UP IN THIS COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT HUGS AND THE WORK THAT YOU DO. AND WE COULDN'T BE HAPPIER TO BE IN THE POSITION THAN TO BE IN THE POSITION TO HELP SUPPORT AND AMEN AND WATCH THE JOURNEY AS WE HAVE ALL WATCHED FROM THE DAY YOU OPENED TO NOW. SO. BUT I'M THE ONE WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO MAKE THE MOTION, MR. THOMPSON, I'M THE ONE WHO HAD A SANDWICH NAMED AFTER THEIR AT ONE POINT, TOWN OF MCKINNEY. VERY GRACIOUS TO US. VERY NICE TO US. WE ARE.

WE ARE SO PLEASED. WHAT A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE, TO WORK, TO GROW, TO HAVE OUR MISSION. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR US. WE'RE THRILLED TO BE HERE AND TO CONTINUE ON LONG AFTER. COULD I GIVE YOU A LIST OF FACEBOOK PROFILES? YOU MAKE THAT SAME COMMENT. WE'LL TALK. WE'LL TALK OFFLINE LATER. QUESTION ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS.

MR. THOMPSON, YOU GO UP TO THE MICROPHONE TO YOUR TV AUDIENCE CAN SEE YOU. SURE. THANK YOU.

WHEN WE FIRST ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY AND WE WERE GIVEN, WE WERE GIVEN A HALF ACRE BY BY MIKE WHITAKER'S ORGANIZATION. AND WE PURCHASED ANOTHER HALF ACRE THERE. AND SHORTLY AFTER DOING THAT, RUTH THOMPSON AND I AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH WITH OUR COIN OF THE REALM HUGS, WEDDING CAKE, COOKIES. SO WE WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND INTRODUCED OURSELVES TO EVERYONE WHO WAS AROUND THERE, EVERYBODY WHO WAS AT HOME. AND THEY WERE ALL EXCITED THAT SOMEBODY WAS COMING BY AND TALKING TO THEM AND LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS GOING ON, WHAT WE HAD PLANNED. SO THEY WERE THEY WERE VERY RECEPTIVE. AND WE PLAN TO BE VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS. I KNOW YOU WILL. DID YOU HAPPEN TO BRING COOKIES TONIGHT? YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A MOVEMENT TO DO THAT, BUT WE WERE AFRAID THAT WE MIGHT BE CONSIDERED BRIBING AND WE DIDN'T. I DIDN'T WANT TO GET YOU IN TROUBLE. THERE'S NOTHING THAT THAT GROUP ON FACEBOOK. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A LIST OF THAT WOULDN'T SAY ANYWAY. SO. WELL, THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S TRUE. SO YEAH, WE'VE LOST OUR. WE CAN MAKE THIS POST, MISTER MAYOR. SO WE HAVE NO LEVERAGE ANYMORE.

THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOU DO, CHRIS. YOU, CHRIS, YOU THANKED US FOR ALL WE DO FOR MCKINNEY, BUT WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR MCKINNEY AND FOR THOSE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS HERE IN MCKINNEY. THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN. YOU ARE VERY GRACIOUS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 2401312.

[Conduct a Public Hearing to Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request to Rezone the Subject Property from “BN” - Neighborhood Business District to “R5” - Residential District, Located on the Northeast Corner of South Tennessee Street and Christian Street, and Accompanying Ordinance]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ACT ON REQUEST TO REZONE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT TO R5 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT LOCATED IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH TENNESSEE STREET AND CHRISTIAN STREET. THANK YOU. MAYOR KEITH STRICKLAND, PLANNING MANAGER FOR CITY OF MCKINNEY. THE APPLICANT, AS YOU HAVE NOTED, IS REQUESTING TO REZONE FROM B AND NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO OUR R5 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. PERFECT. SO THIS AREA HAS ALREADY SEEN A MIX OF REDEVELOPMENT OF BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES. THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO BE PROPOSED. THERE IS ALREADY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH THERE ARE IN BLUE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE NON RESIDENTIAL USES CURRENTLY. CURRENTLY AROUND THE SITE. WHENEVER STAFF WAS REVIEWING IT, WE DID NOTE THE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH YOU TYPICALLY SEE WITHIN OUR MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC TOWN CENTER

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