May 20, 2025 City Council Work Session

[CALL TO ORDER]

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OKAY. OKAY, MR. MAYOR. READY, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. TODAY IS TUESDAY, MAY 20TH, 2025. IT IS 303 OR MILITARY TIME IF YOU LOOK UP AT THE CLOCK. 1503 IN THE AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. PAUL. WE'RE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 401 EAST VIRGINIA STREET, THE GREAT CITY OF

[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]

AND AS YOU KNOW THE DRILL, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD FROM THE DAIS OR FROM THE. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS MAUREEN HENRY. I LIVE AT 905 SOUTH MARY STREET HERE IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. I WROTE DOWN WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE USUALLY I GO LEFT, I GET EXCITED AND I GO LEFT. SO GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS MAUREEN HENRY. I LIVE AT 905 SOUTH MARY STREET HERE IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS. I AM HERE THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT MY HOME.

THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL SEVERAL DESTRUCTIONS TO MY PROPERTY AND HOME. MY HOME WAS ON SOLID GROUND. MY FLOOR WAS LEVELED. NOW THERE IS A HUGE HOLE BENEATH BENEATH MY HOME. IT IS UP TO MY BACK DOOR AND MY KITCHEN. THE COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD KNOW ABOUT THIS. MY CITY COUNCILMAN WAS AWARE OF THIS HUGE HOLE, BUT HAS DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT. IT DIDN'T. IT DIDN'T DIG THE HOLE.

THE CONTRACTOR THE CITY HIRED DUG THE HOLE. I NEVER WAS MEAN OR UGLY TO HIM. I NEVER ARGUED WITH HIM, NEVER SAID ANYTHING UGLY TO HIM. I WAS IN THE LIVING ROOM TALKING TO THE MAN, AND HE HAD SOMEONE DIG THIS BIG HOLE UNDER MY HOUSE. I'M SORRY. I GET EXCITED. THE DOOR WAS LOCKED AND THERE WAS GLASS. HE HAD BEEN IN MY HOUSE SEVERAL TIMES AND HAD DESTROYED MY CHINA CABINET. THE POLICE CAME AND TOOK PICTURES OF IT. NOTHING WAS DONE. THERE WAS GLASS ON MY ON MY FLOOR. A LOT OF A LOT OF MY CHINA. AND I CALLED THE POLICE. THEY CAME. I'M SORRY. I'M JUST KIDDING. I'M TALKING MORE. YOU THINK I'M ASKING THE CITY TO COME OUT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE HOME? I'M SORRY. IN MY HOUSE. MY HOUSE IS BROKEN UP. YOU ALL CAME AND YOU FIXED MY HOUSE. GOOD. BUT THERE'S. THE HOLE IS UNDER MY HOUSE, AND IT'S NOT BEING FIXED. AND YOU KEEP SAYING THERE'S NO HOLE. THERE IS A HOLE THERE. AND I'M SORRY. I'M. THANK YOU FOR. THERE IS NOBODY ELSE I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. SO WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY SPEAK WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING. WE'LL MOVE TO

[DISCUSS AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING to be held on Tuesday, May 20, 2025 at 6:00 p.m. ]

[Discuss Panel Replacement for Concrete Arterial Roadways]

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GENERALLY, THESE ROADWAYS ARE GENERALLY 30 TO 40 YEARS OLD. THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION OF THE ROADWAY IS A MAJOR ARTERIAL. AND SO WHERE THAT'S IMPORTANT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM LINE, THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES ON THE ROADWAY ARE SIGNIFICANT. WE'RE TALKING 21,000 TO 40,000 VEHICLES A DAY THAT ARE TRAVERSING THE ROADWAY. THE MAJORITY OF THE OF THE TRAFFIC IS CLOSER TO US 75. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF THE EXISTING ROADWAY, WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS APPROXIMATELY 8IN TO 9IN OF CONCRETE. AND THE DESIGN LIFE OF THE ROADWAY, WHEN ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED WAS ABOUT 30 TO 50 YEARS. HERE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SEE ON THE ROADWAY. WE HAVE POTHOLES THAT ARE ARE OCCURRING. WE HAVE VARIOUS CONCRETE FAILURES WHERE WE HAVE SOME CRACKING WITHIN THE PANELS. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PANEL REPLACEMENT PROJECT THAT WE'RE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING PLANNED, AS WELL AS SOME SUBGRADE FAILURE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT A VERY SPECIFIC SECTION ON EL DORADO WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY IS, YOU CAN THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS WHEN DRIVING. ALSO, PEOPLE HIT POTHOLES. WE HAVE FLAT TIRES. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THESE REPAIRS, WHICH RESULT IN A REDUCED QUALITY OF LIFE. SO WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING ROADWAY HERE ARE SOME ROADWAY. HERE ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE MAKE WHEN THINKING ABOUT HOW TO DESIGN THE ROADWAY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE THICKNESS OF THE PAVEMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE REINFORCEMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO TO THE SUBGRADE TO IMPROVE THE STRUCTURAL SUPPORT THAT THE ROADWAY SITS ON. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT GOES INTO THAT DESIGN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH TRUCK TRAFFIC IS ON THE ROADWAY. WHAT ARE THESE TRUCKS WEIGH, HOW MUCH VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS ON THE ROADWAY, WHAT ARE THE SUBSURFACE CONDITIONS. SO ALL OF THESE FACTORS PLAY INTO HOW WE DESIGN THAT ROADWAY. SO THE MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC, THE MORE VEHICLE VOLUMES YOU CAN THINK. THE THICKER THE ROADWAY, THE LARGER THE STEEL REINFORCEMENT, THE MORE THAT WE HAVE TO DO ON THE SUBGRADE TO IMPROVE THAT ROADWAY. STRUCTURAL SUPPORT. ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS HOW LONG DO WE WANT THE ROADWAY TO WHAT'S ITS WHAT'S ITS USEFUL LIFE. AND A LOT OF TIMES IN OUR DESIGN STANDARDS SAYS 30 YEARS, WE'RE HOPING TO GET 50 YEARS OUT OF THE ROADWAY. AND THE FINAL CONSIDERATION IS REALLY AVAILABLE RESOURCES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD DESIGN ALL THE ROADWAYS LIKE AN AIRPORT RUNWAY, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE COST EFFICIENT. AND SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, TOO, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO DESIGN A ROADWAY. SO WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT EL DORADO AND VIRGINIA, HOW HAS THESE HOW HAS THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS FOR THESE ROADWAYS CHANGED OVER TIME? WELL, YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE CHART RIGHT THERE. SO FIRST IS THE CONCRETE STRENGTH. SO WHEN THESE ROADWAYS WERE ORIGINALLY PUT IN THE CONCRETE STRENGTH STRENGTH WAS 3,000 POUNDS PER SQUARE INCH. IT'S NOW 4000. WE'VE INCREASED THE BAR SIZE WITHIN THE ROADWAY AS WELL AS WE'VE IMPROVED HOW WE TREAT THE SUBGRADIENT FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE ROADWAY. SO THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDES. AND REALLY WHAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND YOU PROBABLY SAW IF YOU YOU MAY RECALL THIS SLIDE FROM FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE PRESENTING THIS AS PART OF OUR ROADWAY ASSESSMENT PROGRAM. SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE CALL AS OUR STREET CONDITION FROM GOOD TO FAILED.

SO AT THE TOP IS THE IS A STREET IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. SO THIS IS A BRAND NEW ROADWAY THAT WAS JUST CONSTRUCTED. SO IT HAS A PCI SCORE OF A OF 100. AT THE VERY BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE A FAILED ROADWAY WHICH HAS A PCI SCORE OF LESS THAN TEN. SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON FIRST IS THE BLACK LINE. SO THE BLACK LINE IS A TYPICAL ROADWAY DETERIORATION CURVE. SO YOU CAN SEE WHEN THE ROADWAY IS FIRST INSTALLED IT STAYS IN GOOD CONDITION. BUT OVER TIME IT HAS A VERY STEEP DETERIORATION UNTIL WHICH POINT YOU HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT THE ROADWAY. SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO AFFECT THE LONGEVITY OF THE ROADWAY? WELL, WE CAN DO A COUPLE THINGS. THE FIRST ONE WE CAN DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT THE GREEN HASH MARKS AT THE TOP. WE CAN DO PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ON A CONCRETE ROADWAY THAT CONSISTS OF FIXING POTHOLES AS WELL AS DOING CRACK SEALING. WE CAN ALSO REHAB THE PROJECT, WHICH IS WHAT THE SUBJECT OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS ABOUT, WHICH IS DOING PANEL REPLACEMENTS ON VIRGINIA AND EL DORADO. SO YOU CAN SEE BY DOING THE PANEL REPLACEMENTS, WE'RE EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THAT PAVEMENT. BUT AT SOME POINT, JUST AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T LAST FOREVER AND YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR ITS ROUTINE REPLACEMENT. SO WHEN YOU RECONSTRUCT THE ROADWAY, YOU'RE RESTARTING THAT DETERIORATION CURVE AGAIN. AND REALLY THIS, THIS, THIS SLIDE IS ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT PAVEMENT

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UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR US TO GET THE EL DORADO AND VIRGINIA PROJECT GOING, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT IT'S THE PERMANENT REPAIR, BUT IT IS NOT. THIS IS A SECTION THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO SAW, CUT OUT AND REPLACE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. AND THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IS THE WAY I DESCRIBED EARLIER. WE'LL CUT THIS SECTION OUT AND REPLACE IT.

WE TEND TO THINK THAT THE TREES ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY ON THE ON THE NORTH SIDE, THEY'RE PROBABLY PLAYED A FACTOR IN SOME OF THE SUBSURFACE FAILURE. WHILE WE CAN'T BE FOR SURE, THAT'S PROBABLY PLAYING INTO THAT PARTICULAR SECTION THERE. I'M NOT AT ALL SAYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TREES ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY. IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN WE HAVE THOSE KINDS OF CONDITIONS. THE OTHER THING THAT THAT HAPPENS IN THIS PARTICULAR KIND OF FAILURE IS THAT YOU HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE DOWELS OR STEEL THAT ARE ATTACHING THE TWO SLABS TOGETHER. SO IN ORDER FOR THIS FAILURE TO OCCUR, EITHER ONE, THE DOWELS WEREN'T THERE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY INSTALLED OR TWO, THE STEEL FAILED AND THAT'S WHAT ALLOWED IT TO DROP AS WELL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION. AND COULD I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE? I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT ON THAT SUBJECT OF THERE NOT BEING ANY TIE BARS IN THERE OR THEY'RE BROKEN, IS I KNOW THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON MATERIALS TESTING. DO WE DO ANY PROCESS VERIFICATION DURING THE CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEING BUILT EXACTLY AS DESIGNED, SO THAT THERE ARE NO MISSING TIE BARS? YEAH. THE SHORT ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY. I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THIS PARTICULAR ROADWAY WAS PUT IN. BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE DO NOW IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR VIRGINIA AND EL DORADO, WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTORS THAT WILL BE OUT ON SITE EVERY DAY INSPECTING THE WORK THAT WILL BE PERFORMED BY THE CONTRACTOR, ENSURING THAT THE BARS ARE EMBEDDED AT THE RIGHT LENGTH OR THE RIGHT SIZE. THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT LOCATION AND THEY'RE INSTALLED PROPERLY FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. GARY HAS A WHOLE TEAM OF INSPECTORS THAT MAKE SURE AND THEY GO OUT AND FOR ROADWAYS THAT ARE THE CITIES OR ROADWAYS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY, THAT THOSE ROADWAYS ARE INSTALLED WITH THE RIGHT REINFORCEMENT. THANK YOU. AS A FOLLOW UP TO COUNCILMAN PHILLIPS, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH OF THOSE TWO IT IS RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT. EITHER BROKEN OR NO. AND WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET IN THERE AND DIG IT UP.

RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU REPORT BACK TO US ON WHAT THAT WAS. SURE. THANK YOU. YEAH, WE'VE SEEN BOTH IN THE CITY, SO IT COULD BE EITHER. OKAY. SO. AND WHAT'S THE PROCESS? YOU JUST SAID THAT THE TREES MAY HAVE BEEN THE CULPRIT IN THIS. WHEN YOU GET IN THERE, IF IT'S THE ROOTS OR SOMETHING, DO Y'ALL CUT THEM BACK OR DO YOU LIKE WHAT'S THE PROCESS AFTER THAT? YEAH. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE ROOTS EXTENDED OVER INTO THE SUBGRADE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST US THEORIZING AT THIS POINT. WHAT WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IS THAT THE TREES

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WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF ADJACENT TREES ADJACENT TO THIS PARTICULAR SECTION. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BEST GUESS WHAT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR CASE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO OUR TYPICAL ROADWAY DESIGN PROCESS WHICH YOU ALL KNOW VERY WELL. STEP ONE IS THAT WE EVALUATE THE ROADWAY CONDITIONS. AND THEN WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT REPAIR METHOD FOR A PARTICULAR ROADWAY. TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT AGE OF THE ROADWAY, WHAT TYPE OF CRACKS ARE OCCURRING. AND THEN WHAT WE DO IS APPLY THE BEST METHODOLOGY WE BELIEVE FOR THE PARTICULAR ROADWAY. CONSIDERING THE FACTORS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE NEXT STEP FOR US IS TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET. ONCE IT'S IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET, WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN BID AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO HERE IS TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW EACH ONE OF THESE STEPS APPLIES TO THE EL DORADO AND VIRGINIA PROJECT. RYAN, CAN I ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION? I KNOW THAT YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT MENTIONED IN YOUR FOUR PICTURES, BUT THERE'S AN INJECTABLE MATERIAL THAT YOU CAN GO SUBSURFACE AND PUMP UP THE SOIL UNDERNEATH. IS THAT APPLICABLE? IS IT COST EFFECTIVE? IS IT RELIABLE, AND IS IT A CONSIDERATION THAT WE SHOULD THROW OUT THERE AS WELL? I THINK YES, TO ALL 3 OR 4 OF THOSE QUESTIONS. AND IN FACT, THE CITY CURRENTLY USES THAT PROCESS IN A NUMBER OF AREAS. WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR WHERE WE DO CONCRETE PANEL LIFTING. IN PARTICULAR CASES. IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE. RIGHT. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE THINK THAT THE REINFORCEMENT MIGHT BE BROKEN. SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST CASE. BUT IN OTHER CASES WHERE WE CAN DO PANEL LIFTING WE DO DO IT. WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR TO DO IT. IT IS AN ACCEPTABLE METHOD. IT JUST HAS TO BE THE RIGHT SITUATION. BUT WE DO IT ALL THE TIME. IS IT COST EFFECTIVE COMPARED TO THE OTHER FOUR METHODS? OH YEAH. AND WHEN WE CAN USE THAT AS A REPAIR METHOD, IT'S ANOTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX. WE TRY TO BE EFFICIENT WITH ALL OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE. AND CERTAINLY CONCRETE LIFTING IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN REPLACING THE SLAB BECAUSE ESPECIALLY AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE COST OF REPAIR CONCRETE IS GOING UP, THE COST OF LABOR IS GOING UP. AND SO ANYTIME WE CAN FIGURE OUT A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO REPAIR THE ROADWAYS, WE DO THANK YOU. SO STEP ONE FOR US ON EL DORADO AND VIRGINIA IS THE EVALUATION. SO REMEMBER WHAT I SAID FROM THE SLIDE EARLIER WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ROADWAY DETERIORATION CURVE THE RIGHT TREATMENT AT THE RIGHT TIME. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY TWO THINGS HERE. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT IS A RULE OF THUMB. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR US TO DO PANEL REPLACEMENT. OR SHOULD WE BE CONSIDERING A FULL RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT FOR EL DORADO AND VIRGINIA? AND SO I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TWO CALCULATIONS THERE THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE.

SO ONE RULE OF THUMB THAT WE LOOK AT IS AT ABOUT 20, 30% OR MORE, WE START TO CONSIDER OR START TO RECOMMEND THAT THE ROADWAY SHOULD BE RECONSTRUCTED. WHEN WE TAKE THE EL DORADO PANEL REPLACEMENT. AND THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE BID QUANTITIES AND THE VIRGINIA PANEL REPLACEMENT QUANTITIES. AND WE DIVIDE THOSE BY THE OVERALL AREA OF THE ROADWAYS. WE GET 17.3% AND 14.4%. SO THOSE ARE BOTH LOWER THAN THE 20 TO 30% RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT RECONSTRUCTION. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T DO IT, BUT ONE OF THE DRIVING FACTORS IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE IMMEDIATELY BELOW THAT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL BIG COST IS FOR EL DORADO AND THE BIG COST FOR VIRGINIA, YOU'LL SEE EL DORADO IS AT 3.5 MILLION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR PANEL REPLACEMENT IN VIRGINIA IS 4.8. ADD THOSE UP AND YOU'RE AT $8.3 MILLION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. IF THE CITY WERE TO CONSIDER RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY, WE ESTIMATE THAT THAT THAT THE OVERALL PROJECT COST WOULD BE AROUND $83.6 MILLION IF YOU ADD THOSE TWO UP. SO A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PANEL REPLACEMENT AND RECONSTRUCTION, IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND RECONSTRUCTION, THE PROCESS WOULD BE AS WE WOULD PUT THAT INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. AND AS YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RESULT OF THAT WOULD BE IS IT WOULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON SHIFTING OTHER PROJECTS AROUND WITHIN THE CIP, WHICH IS ALREADY VERY, VERY FULL. SO THE STEP TWO IS OUR DESIGN AND THE BID OF THE PROJECT. SO WE STARTED THE EVALUATION OF THIS PROJECT IN 2023. THIS PROJECT WAS INCLUDED IN THE CIP IN 2024. THIS IS WHAT PROJECT THAT WE ACTUALLY DID THE DESIGN IN-HOUSE. ON HINDSIGHT BEING 2020, IF WE WANTED TO LOOK AT IMPROVING THE DELIVERY OF THIS PROJECT SOONER, ONE OF THE

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BECAUSE CERTAINLY THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE DISRUPTIVE. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT 40,000 VEHICLES A DAY GOING THROUGH THE CORRIDOR. SO WE WANT TO BE VERY AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO MINIMIZE THAT DISRUPTION TO RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAVELING THROUGH THE ROADWAY.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DISRUPTION, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A SOLID COMMUNICATIONS PLAN. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING DEPARTMENT AS WELL. WE'RE GOING TO PUT MESSAGE BOARDS OUT THERE, LETTERS TO BUSINESSES. SOCIAL MEDIA IS IN THE WEBSITE AS WELL TO TALK ABOUT THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE ONGOING. SO IN TERMS OF FUTURE ROADWAY CONSIDERATIONS, FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR, EVEN AFTER THIS PROJECT, THE CONDITION OF EL DORADO AND VIRGINIA. ONE THING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY WANTED TO ADDRESS THE SMOOTHNESS OR THE RIDEABILITY OF THE ROADWAY, IS THAT OVERLAYS OF THE ROADWAY COULD OCCUR. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION AND WHEN WOULD BE THE RIGHT TIMING FOR THAT. ONE ADDITIONAL PROJECT THAT WE HAVE ONGOING IS OUR ROADWAY ASSESSMENT PROGRAM. SO THE CITY HAS CONTRACTED WITH IMS OR IS IN THE PROCESS OF CONTRACTING WITH IMS. AND IF YOU REMEMBER, FOUR YEARS AGO WE DID A WHOLE ROADWAY ASSESSMENT PROGRAM WHILE THE TIME IS DUE, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT ROADWAY ASSESSMENT AGAIN. SO OVER THE NEXT 4 TO 5 MONTHS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE VANS WITH LIDAR AND CAMERA SYSTEMS ON THEM DRIVING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, COLLECTING INFORMATION ON ALL 1700 LANE MILES OF ROADWAY WITHIN THE CITY. WE EXPECT THAT THAT WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE AROUND AUGUST, AND THEN SOMETIME IN THAT IN THE FALL, WE'LL BE COLLECTING ALL THE INFORMATION, ANALYZING THE INFORMATION, PUTTING TOGETHER COST ESTIMATES WITH A REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, OR SIMILAR TO SIMILARLY TO WHAT WE DID FOUR YEARS AGO, PROBABLY AROUND THE END OF 2025, EARLY 2026. SO WE'VE GOT THAT ONGOING AS WELL. AND WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. RYAN, YOU AND ONE OF YOUR FIRST SLIDES, YOU SHOWED THAT EL DORADO IS EIGHT INCHES OF CONCRETE AND VIRGINIA IS SIX. EXCUSE ME. NINE CAN YOU COMMENT ON IS NINE A BEST PRACTICE? IT STRIKES ME THAT THE VIRGINIA PANELS MAY BE NEWER. AND IF WE WHEN WE GO IN HERE, WE'RE GOING TO DO 8 OR 9. AND DOES IT MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE. SO THE NINE INCHES OVER TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT WAS ACTUALLY IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WAS A TEXDOT DESIGN AT THE TIME. OKAY. THAT THAT WE TOOK OVER. YEAH, VIRGINIA WAS A TXDOT ROAD. AND THEN SO FOR THE REPLACEMENT PROJECT, WE'RE SOMEWHAT CONFINED TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WITHIN THE ROADWAY. AND SO I WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN TWO WAYS. SO FOR THE EL DORADO PORTION, WE SHOWED HOW WE HAVE MORE ROBUST STEEL, A HIGHER COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH OF CONCRETE. AND THAT IF NEEDED, WHEN WE PULL THE CONCRETE PANEL OUT WE MAKE SUBGRADE REPAIRS.

AND SO WHAT WE'LL BE PUTTING BACK WILL BE BETTER THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. OKAY. RIGHT.

BUT SOMETIMES WE'RE TYING BACK INTO AN EXISTING SLAB THAT THAT MAY BE OLDER AND, AND DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME STRUCTURAL STRENGTH FOR NEWER ROADWAYS. THE CITY WITHIN ITS ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUAL HAS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DEPTH AND THE SIZE OF THE REINFORCEMENT, AS WELL, AS IT'S REQUIRED THAT GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION IS DONE FOR EACH SITE SO THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL SITE CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE RIGHT DESIGN FOR THE ROADWAY. AND SO THAT'S HOW THE CITY APPROACHES OTHER, OTHER ROADWAYS. WHAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT IS TO, YOU KNOW, AT THIS TYPE OF ROADWAY, RIGHT. THERE'S DIFFERENT DESIGNS BASED ON WHETHER IT'S AN ALLEY, A RESIDENTIAL ROADWAY, A COLLECTOR AND ARTERIAL. AND SO THE CITY HAS DIFFERENT DESIGN CRITERIA FOR EACH DIFFERENT ROADWAY BASED ON THE EXPECTED TRUCK TRAFFIC AND VEHICULAR VOLUMES ON THE ON THOSE ROADWAYS. OKAY. THANK YOU. RYAN, I'D ASK YOU THIS AN EMAIL.

PROBABLY TOO LATE, BUT DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE ASSESSMENT SCORES FOR VIRGINIA AND EL DORADO WERE? I DO I JUST GOT THOSE BEFORE I CAME HERE. AND APOLOGIES THAT THAT THAT SITE WAS NOT UP AND RUNNING. SO THE EL DORADO PCI SCORES ON THE SEGMENTS THAT WERE REPLACING RANGED FROM 59 TO 92 WITH AN AVERAGE OF 65 AND 2021. SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S JUST SLIGHTLY

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WELL, LET ME LET ME ANSWER AS BEST I CAN. AND THEN YOU CAN HELP. LET ME KNOW WHAT WHERE I MAY HAVE WHERE THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS WITHIN THEIR A NUMBER OF THINGS YOU BROUGHT UP. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT DISCUSSION. I KNOW THAT I FEEL THIS WAY, AND I THINK I COULD SPEAK FOR GARY AS WELL. WE ARE HAPPY TO COME UP AND PROVIDE YOU AND THE COUNCIL WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND THE PACE AT WHICH WE'RE GOING AT ANY TIME, YOU KNOW, AND HOW WE COMMUNICATE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE COMMUNICATE IT AND, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS LIKE THIS AND WE COMMUNICATE IT ON THE WEBSITE WITH SHARING THE PCI SCORES, ALTHOUGH THAT WAS DOWN TODAY AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WE SHARE IT. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGETS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW WHAT THE GOAL THE COUNCIL IS SET FOR US. AND IN TERMS OF SETTING, YOU KNOW, $20 MILLION PER YEAR WAS SET AS AS THE GOAL. AND HOW ARE WE DOING AGAINST THAT TARGET. AND THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT THAT GARY AND I AND OUR TEAMS TALK ABOUT A LOT TO MAKE SURE THAT HOW ARE WE HITTING THESE TARGETS? WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE OVERALL PCI SCORE, RIGHT, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF NEW TECHNOLOGY AND AI THAT YOU CAN USE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND, AND IT'LL TELL YOU WHERE POTHOLES ARE IN THESE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS. AND SO THESE THE CHANGES WITHIN YOUR PCI SCORE ARE MORE GLACIAL THAN THEY ARE INSTANTANEOUS. MEANING, YOU KNOW, IF WE WENT OUT THERE EVERY DAY AND COLLECTED THIS, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE USEFUL. BUT IT WHAT IT DOES OVER TIME IS IT TELLS US, YOU KNOW, IS THE OVERALL CONDITION GOING UP OR DOWN. BUT WHAT WE DO ALSO USE WITH THAT DATA IS THEN WE TAKE THAT DATA, AND WE USE IT TO HELP INFORM US ABOUT WHICH PROJECTS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DO WITHIN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU BROUGHT UP VIRGINIA BEING A HIGHER PCI SCORE AND THAT THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO WHY DO THIS VERSUS A LOWER PCI SCORE? I'D GO BACK TO THE CHART THAT WE HAD AND IT'S THE RIGHT TREATMENT AT THE RIGHT TIME. SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO CRACK SEALING AT THE RIGHT TIME. BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT TOO LONG THEN YOU'RE ALREADY PAST THAT. WE WANT TO DO PATCHING AT THE RIGHT TIME. ANOTHER FACTOR THAT PLAYS INTO THIS ALSO IS THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, RIGHT? AND ESPECIALLY ON VIRGINIA AND EL DORADO, THESE AREAS ARE MUCH MORE VISIBLE. AND SO BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REPAIRING THOSE BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF

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BUT WE'RE ALSO VERY OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND COMING BACK AND PRESENTING THAT INFORMATION.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WORK HARD ON EVERY DAY TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT LIST, TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT PROJECTS SHOULD WE BE CONSIDERING? AND THEN WE GET VERY COMPLICATED. AND I COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME, BUT WE ALSO GET VERY INTO THE INTO THE WEEDS ON THE DATA. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE SYSTEMS THAT, THAT, THAT TELL US WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS OF THE UTILITIES UNDERNEATH. HOW DO THOSE UTILITY CONDITIONS RELATE TO THE TO THE SURFACE CONDITIONS. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PUT GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD, WHERE YOU END UP REPLACING THE ROADWAY, AND THEN NEXT YEAR YOU HAVE A WATER MAIN OR SOMETHING UNDERNEATH? WE REALLY WANT TO AVOID THOSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF FUNDS. AND SO WE HAVE A VERY COMPLICATED SYSTEM OF, OF PROJECT CONSIDERATION WHERE WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IS GOING TO BE LATE 2025 WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE SAY, HERE'S HOW WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE OVERALL CONDITION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT POLICY AS IT RELATES TO. IS THE OVERALL PCI SCORE FOR THE CITY GOING UP? IS IT GOING DOWN? WHAT INVESTMENTS ARE WE HAVE WE MADE AND YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD THE POLICY BE FOR THE CITY. AND THAT WILL BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY THEN TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT DATA. YEAH. AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID. I WOULD JUST I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT SOME EVALUATION LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THAT KIND OF KEEPS THAT FRESH IN OUR MIND, ALLOWS US TO USE THAT IN CONSIDERATION OF A BUDGET, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS POPS UP, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF EIGHT. WHAT WAS IT, 8 TO $9 MILLION ON THIS. YEAH. THAT, THAT THAT IS GOING TO COME FROM SOME OTHER THING THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH, DEALING WITH A FAILED ROADWAY SOMEWHERE ELSE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO AVOID THAT $85 MILLION THING BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE HAVING TO GO INTO DEBT FOR BACKLOG OF MAINTENANCE THAT HAS OCCURRED IN YEARS PAST. AND SO BEING PROACTIVE AND TRYING TO MAKE GAIN GROUND IN THIS, I THINK, IS IMPORTANT. AND BEING ABLE TO SEE THAT WE ARE THAT WE'RE USING THE RIGHT POLICY TOOLS TO GAIN GROUND, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF YOU GET BEHIND ON, IT'S NOTICED. SO THANK YOU. I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT PCI SCORE THOUGH IS A CUMULATIVE AVERAGE OF THE ENTIRE ROAD. RIGHT. SO BUT IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THESE SEGMENTS THAT ARE REALLY IN DISREPAIR, THOSE SCORES WOULD PLUMMET IF WE JUST ISOLATED THOSE SEGMENTS. CORRECT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. SO EACH SCORE, EACH BLOCK SEGMENT RECEIVES ITS OWN SCORE. SO WHEN I SAY THE AVERAGE SCORE WAS 71, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS.

THAT'S A THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF ALL THE STREETS. RIGHT. IT GIVES YOU A KIND OF AN IDEA OF WHAT THE OVERALL NETWORK IS IN TERMS OF WHETHER YOU'RE GOING UP OR DOWN, BUT WHAT SETS THE POLICY IS REALLY THE INDIVIDUAL SEGMENT SCORE. AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT TO SAY, OKAY, DOES IT REQUIRE CONSTRUCTION? WHERE SHOULD WE BE SPENDING OUR MONEY? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE AS PART OF THAT FUTURE PRESENTATION IS WE WILL WE WILL SHOW YOU HOW MANY STREETS FIT WITHIN EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, THE FAILED, THE GOOD CATEGORIES THAT I SHOWED IN TERMS OF ROADWAY CONDITIONS. SO YOU'LL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING. SOMETIMES IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THAT DATA, BECAUSE YOU MAY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, LOOK AT ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE CURRENTLY JUST ABOVE THE FAILED CATEGORY. MAYBE THERE'S A TSUNAMI COMING WHERE THE CITY MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ROADWAYS THAT ARE STARTING TO COME DUE BASED ON THE YEARS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE BUILT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU SO THAT YOU HAVE A YOU CAN MAKE A BETTER INFORMED DECISION ABOUT ROADWAY MAINTENANCE, BUT THAT'S WHAT MAKES US MORE OF A PRIORITY. IN ADDITION TO IT BEING A MAJOR ARTERIAL. RIGHT? OKAY. THE INTERSECTION OF EL DORADO AND HARDEN IS PROBABLY ONE I GET MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT AND THE SEGMENT OF EL DORADO THAT YOU ALSO SHOWED AS WE'RE DOING THESE PANEL REPLACEMENTS, DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF THAT ENTIRE INTERSECTION? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DRIVE OVER IT AT A DECENT SPEED, THE BACK OF YOUR CAR WILL HIT THE BOTTOM OF THE GROUND THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SO WE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT.

INTERSECTION IS PART OF PART OF THE WORK. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S CAUSING THE BUMP, BECAUSE I'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC ONE. YEAH, SOMETIMES THROUGH INTERSECTIONS, INTERSECTIONS CAN BE TRICKY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN DRAINAGE. AND SO IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THE WAY ROADWAYS ARE CROWNED AND THINK ABOUT THOSE INTERSECTING CROWN ROADWAYS COMING TOGETHER, YOU SOMETIMES GET DIFFERENT ANGLES THAT COME THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS BECAUSE OF THAT, OR IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FAILED PANEL. OH, IT'S FAILED PANEL. OKAY, WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEN THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE PROJECT. BUT WE'LL TAKE A SPECIFIC LOOK AT PANEL REPLACEMENT CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO REPLACE THE, YOU KNOW, RECONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE INTERSECTION. IT CAN IT IT DEPENDS. I HAVE TO GO SEE THE

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[Discussion of the Collin County Parks and Open Space Project Funding Assistance Program]

BUT DO YOU KNOW WHY IT'S BEEN. AND I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT, MR. BEAR, MY, MY TAKE ON IT IS THAT IT WAS APPROVED IN THEIR BUDGET. IT WAS APPROVED. EXACTLY. BUT THEN WHEN IT CAME TIME TO ACTUALLY DOLE OUT THE MONEY, THEN IT WASN'T APPROVED. AND THAT'S A PHENOMENON THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IN OUR WORK HERE IN THE CITY, THAT WE APPROVE SOMETHING IN A BUDGET IN AUGUST AND THEN WE DON'T. THEN WE TABLE THINGS IN OCTOBER WITH A GREAT DEAL OF SILENCE. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY, THIS SPECIFIC GRANT REQUEST FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 HAS BEEN TABLED IN RELATION TO SOME ONGOING, ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT PARK SPECIFIC, PRIMARILY THE EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT THAT I THINK EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF, AS WELL AS THE ANIMAL SERVICES EXTENSION FOR THE ANIMAL SERVICES FACILITY WE'VE OFFERED. I'M SORRY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

SO THEY'RE HOLDING UP PARK FUNDS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR COUNTY, CITY AND COUNTY RESIDENTS ON PARKS PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE BASED ON SOME LEVERAGE NEGOTIATION ON UNRELATED ITEMS TO PARKS. WHAT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED TO US IS THAT OUR PARKS FUNDING, FRISCO'S PARKS, FUNDING FRISCO'S IN THE SAME POSITION THAT WE ARE SPECIFIC IN RELATION TO. THESE GRANTS ARE BEING TABLED WHILE THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE BEING COMPLETED ON THE ANIMAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. THAT'S DUE FOR AN EXTENSION. AND THEN THE ESD THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING CONTEMPLATED. WE HAVE OFFERED BACK TO THE COUNTY FOR AN EXTENSION TO THE ANIMAL SERVICES

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AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. I THINK WE WERE WE HAD ASKED TO HAVE A JUST SOME MODEST INCREASE STILL DOES NOT COVER OUR COST. MCKINNEY TAXPAYERS CONTINUE TO PAY THAT DELTA. I BELIEVE WHAT'S NOW BEEN OFFERED IS ACTUALLY EVEN LESS THAN WHAT WE WERE RECEIVING BEFORE. IS THAT ACCURATE? I BELIEVE SO, I BELIEVE SO AND SO. THEY WANT US TO CONTINUE SUBSIDIZING AT AT A LOSS FOR MCKINNEY TAXPAYERS WHILE THIS PETITION HAPPENS. I KNOW THAT WE'VE AGAIN, WE HAVE OFFERED TO CONTINUE PROVIDING THAT SERVICE AT LOSS AT COST TO TAXPAYERS, WHICH THEY ALSO REPRESENT. WE'VE JUST ASKED FOR A VERY, VERY MODEST INCREASE, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE HOLDING THE PARKS MONEY UP BECAUSE OF. AND LET ME BE MORE DIRECT. I'VE BEEN TOLD THIS DIRECTLY BY TWO OF THE MEMBERS. BASICALLY ON THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT, AND IS NOT A REPRESENTATION OF ALL THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BY ANY STRETCH, BUT BY SEVERAL. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE OUT THERE UNDERSTANDS IT, THAT I'D SAY YOUR ASSESSMENTS GENERALLY ACCURATE WHAT WE'VE SEEN. THAT SAID, MR. GRIMES AND MYSELF ARE BOTH IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FINALIZE THE ANIMAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, HOPEFULLY TO KNOCK LOOSE THE PARKS FOUNDATION FUNDS. EXCUSE ME? THE PARKS GRANT FUNDS THAT ARE BEING HELD UP. WE'VE ALSO SENT KIND OF A PRELIMINARY REQUEST TO THE ADMINISTRATORS AT THE COUNTY TO SAY WE'RE TAKING OUR FISCAL YEAR 26 GRANT APPLICATION TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. OUR FY 25 GRANT HAS NOT BEEN LET OUT TO US. DO WE EVEN NEED TO TAKE THAT TO COUNCIL? ARE WE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BOAT? WE WERE INSTRUCTED BY THE ADMINISTRATORS TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 GRANT FUNDING FOR PARKS, WHICH I SEE AS A POSITIVE SIGN AS WELL ON THE ANIMAL SERVICES. YOU YOU BROUGHT UP THE COUNTY, PASSED A BOND TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE ANIMAL SERVICES SHELTER. WE PAY AS ALL THE OTHER CITIES DO, A PRO RATA SHARE BASED ON OUR USE. CORRECT? IT'S ACTUALLY BASED ON POPULATION. POPULATION? YEAH. SO, SO ARGUABLY BY USE, A GREATER POPULATION, GREATER USE. THEY, THEY CAME BACK AND THE REQUEST WAS WHAT THAT WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST CONTINUING THAT PRO RATA SHARE AND EXPENSE. I THINK THAT THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE SURETY AND A GROWTH FACTOR WITHIN THE NEW AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO NOT HAVE THE STRUCTURE OF THE AGREEMENT, NOT TO GET TOO WONKISH WOULD HAVE EBBS AND FLOWS OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD WHERE MAYBE EVERY THIRD YEAR YOU WOULD SEE A SPIKE IN THOSE OTHER ONE YEAR TWO AND YEAR ONE. IT'D BE A MORE MODEST INCREASE, MORE TIED TO THE INFLATIONARY FACTORS OF POPULATION GROWTH. WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS MAKE THAT INCREASE MORE, MORE SUCCINCT WITH THE GROWTH OF INFLATION. ON A CLIP OF RIGHT AROUND 3.5% TO MARRY UP WITH WHAT OUR MAXIMUM TAX RATE INCREASE WOULD BE, WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM VERY CLOSELY TO TRY TO GET THAT OVER THE FINISH LINE. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE OUR CONTRACT THAT WE'VE PROPOSED BY BY DOING THAT, THAT WOULD ASSIST THEM IN THEIR GOAL, ALWAYS TO MAINTAIN AN EFFECTIVE TAX RATE. IF WE WERE UP AT PAYING A HIGHER RATE. YEAH, I CAN'T I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD ADOPT A CERTAIN TAX RATE BASED ON THE ANIMAL SERVICES. BUT BUT THAT WOULD BE THEIR GOAL. SO PUT IT ON THE BACKS OF THE CITY TAXPAYERS AS MUCH AS THEY CAN TO RELIEVE THE PRESSURE ON THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS FOR A COUNTY FACILITY. YES. THAT'S RHETORICAL. THE ANSWER IS YES.

OKAY. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I THINK THAT'S THE COMPLETION OF AMY'S. SHE'S GOING TO HAVE A MUCH MORE LENGTHY PRESENTATION ON THE NEXT ITEM. I JUST WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. DO YOU I DO HAVE A REMAINING QUESTION, BUT YOU FEEL FREE TO GO. THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ADD IS THAT TREVOR'S EXPLAINED IT VERY WELL, EXCEPT WHAT'S DIFFERENT THIS TIME IS THAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE NOT HAD THIS HAPPEN BEFORE. THIS IS NEW. THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE COUNTY. TYPICALLY, WHAT

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THEY DON'T TYPICALLY DO THIS. THEY HAVEN'T HISTORICALLY DONE THIS. THEY ARE SEPARATE ISSUES.

AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH ISSUES SEPARATELY. AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT. BUT I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING. THIS IS REAL MONEY THAT'S HOLDING UP THE CONSTRUCTION OF SOME REAL PROJECTS WITH RESPECT. AND I UNDERSTAND, I JUST I'M IT'S BEEN VERY FRUSTRATING. I KNOW THAT WHEN I EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTS OVER THE YEARS TO JUDGE HILL IN REGARD TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER OVER CAPACITY, THE BELIEFS OF OVER EUTHANIZATION AS A RESULT OF THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WAS ALLEGED BY MANY, MANY RESIDENTS.

WHEN I CALLED AND I, I ASKED FOR RESPONSE AND ACCOUNTABILITY. I WAS TOLD BY JUDGE HILL, EITHER I'M GOING TO RETRACT ANY SUCH REQUEST OR HE WILL KICK US OUT OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD OUR OWN, WHICH OF COURSE THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT CAN'T BE CANCELED BY EITHER PARTY. MY POINT IN ALL THAT IS, THE RESIDENTS OF MCKINNEY HAVE BEEN A STEADFAST PARTNER IN ANIMAL SHELTER, AND COLLIN COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER HAVE BEEN ADVOCATES FOR ITS EXPANSION AS NEEDED, HAVE BEEN WILLING TO PAY AND CONTINUE TO PAY BASED ON THE USAGE THAT WE HAVE. BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OUT OF THE COURT AND QUITE FRANKLY, SPECIFICALLY JUDGE HILL IS, IS A LACK OF, IN MY OPINION, GOOD FAITH, PARTNERSHIP, DIALOG NEGOTIATION WITH THE CITY. SO I MAY HAVE MADE YOUR JOB HARDER, BY THE WAY, MOVING FORWARD. SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT THE TRUTH SHOULD BE TOLD, AND RESIDENTS OF MCKINNEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DYNAMIC BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY IS ONE THAT IT SHOULDN'T EXIST. WE ARE A CITY WITHIN THE COUNTY, ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING CITIES IN THE COUNTY, AND A HUGE PARTNER WITHIN THE COUNTY. TREAT AS SUCH. AND THIS. THIS IDEA OF THIS EXAMPLE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF LEVERAGE HOLDING MCKINNEY RESIDENTS HOSTAGE ON PARK FUNDS THAT WERE APPROVED IN THEIR BUDGET A YEAR AGO IS ABSURD, RIDICULOUS, CHILDISH, AND SHOULDN'T BE TOLERATED MOVING FORWARD. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, EXPANDING ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, THE DANCE PARTNERS WE HAVE COMING UP NEXT YEAR WITH RESPECT TO COUNTY PARKS FUNDING ARE THE SAME DANCE PARTNERS WE DANCED WITH THIS YEAR, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE ATTACH SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THAT MONEY, WHICH IS THIS PARTICULARLY, I'M GOING TO SAY, THE CONNECTION UNDER 380 TO CONNECT BASICALLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE AMPLE. TRAIL SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TO THOSE THE MOST FASTEST GROWING PART OF OUR CITY NORTH OF 380. IT ALSO SEEMS TO ME THAT AS A CITY, WE HAVE A GOAL OF REPLACING PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT PARKS ABOUT EVERY 15 YEARS. NOW, WHAT I PERSONALLY HAVE AN APPETITE FOR AND THE REST OF COUNCIL MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH, THIS, IS THAT I'D MUCH RATHER ATTACH COUNTY MONEY IF IT'S AT RISK TO SOMETHING THAT IS A LOWER URGENCY THING, I WOULD HAVE RATHER LOOKING BACK AT IT. NONE OF US HAVE 2020 HINDSIGHT. DON'T SAY WE DO, BUT I KIND OF WISH WE HAD LET A PLAYGROUND GO FOR 16 YEARS RATHER THAN THESE TRAILS, AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING DOABLE FOR US. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND AMY CAN KEEP ME HONEST HERE. TRADITIONALLY, WE SUBMIT TRAIL PROJECTS BECAUSE THAT'S THE FUNDING PRIORITY OF THE COUNTY PARKS FOUNDATION IS THEY WANT TO SEE THE TRAIL PROJECTS AND THE CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS FROM A FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, ADMINISTRATOR YOON KIM AND HIS DEPUTY, THEY'VE BEEN NOTHING BUT PROFESSIONAL, AND THEY'VE WORKED WITH US VERY CLOSELY TO TRY TO GET OVER THE FINISH LINE ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES. SO I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T LET THAT GO. AND I AND I APPRECIATE THAT ON THE STAFF LEVEL. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT WHAT THEIR APPETITE IS TO ACTUALLY FUND. AND PERHAPS THEN

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FOR MCKINNEY TAXPAYERS, FOR MCKINNEY TAXPAYERS AND FOR TAXPAYERS. AND I WILL JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS PROJECT, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING NORTH OF 380. THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I HEAR ABOUT THE CONSTITUENTS HERE ALL THE TIME. AND WE'RE IN A REALLY WEIRD SITUATION WHERE I LIVE. WE LIVE IN MCKINNEY, BUT OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER IS DIFFERENT. OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT IS DIFFERENT, OUR HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE IS DIFFERENT. EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS AREA, ABOUT AUBURN HILLS AND NORTH OF 380, EXCEPT FOR WE LIVE IN MCKINNEY AND WE HAVE CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATION. THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY EVEN OUR COMMISSIONER LIVES NORTH OF 380. SHE'S RUN UNOPPOSED LAST COUPLE TIMES BECAUSE WE DON'T WE'RE JUST IN A DIFFERENT PLAYING FIELD. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE CAN GET PUT ASIDE BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS THE EASY ONE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T VOTE FOR YOU, YOU KNOW. SO YOU THERE'S NO THERE'S NO RISK. SO I MEAN, I'M JUST SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NORTH OF 380. YOU CAN'T VOTE. YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR YOUR FOR YOUR COUNTY JUDGE. AND THERE IS A COMMISSIONER UP THERE THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE AND SPEAK WITH BECAUSE SHE'S RUNNING UNOPPOSED, BUT SHE CAN WORK WITH US IF YOU REACH OUT TO HER AND PUT PRESSURE ON HER. AND JUST BECAUSE WE LIVE UP THERE, DON'T DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON AN ISLAND. I MEAN, WE ARE MCKINNEY RESIDENTS AND WE ARE MCKINNEY, AND WE ARE A PART OF THE CITY.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SPEAK TO EVERYBODY UP THERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE NEED TO SPEAK UP AND DO MORE. AND, MICHAEL, THIS TRAIL SYSTEM. UNDER THREE, 8380 IS A TREMENDOUSLY BUSY, VERY, VERY, VERY RISKY STREET TO CROSS AND TO BE PLAYING GAMES WITH MONEY AND LEVERAGING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, KEEPING A PROJECT LIKE THIS FROM BEING DONE AT THE AT THE KNOWN RISK OF, OF DELAYING A PROJECT THAT WILL MAKE A SAFE PATH AND SAFE, YOU KNOW, TRAIL FOR PEOPLE TO CROSS IN OUR SYSTEM IS UNCONSCIONABLE. SO THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ON IT, BUT IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE TO ME.

OKAY. WELL, THAT WENT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AMY. THANK YOU. AMY.

[Consider/Discuss Parks and Recreation Funding]

AND THEN THEY ALSO PAY 1.7 MILLION EACH YEAR TO PAY AGAINST THE DEBT. SO LOOKING AT OUR PREVIOUS TEN YEAR FUNDING TOTALS. SO HERE'S JUST A SNAPSHOT OF ALL OF THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE RECEIVE WITH GRANTS AND CDC DEVELOPMENT CONTRIBUTIONS, BONDS AND PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, BONDS BEING THE MOST FUNDING SOURCE, AND THEN A CLOSE TIE BETWEEN CDC AND PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE. SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT TO SHOW ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SOURCES AND WHAT THE CONTRIBUTION HAS BEEN THE LAST TEN YEARS. TYPES OF PROJECTS FUNDED. SO FIRST ONE IS THE LAND ACQUISITION. THERE'S BEEN TWO THE OTTAWA TRACT AS WELL AS THE

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IN ADDITION TO THE EXPANSION, NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS. THESE ARE TWO NEW PARKS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED. JUST OVER $3 MILLION. AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE OF NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDES JUST THEY'RE MORE THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR CONNECTED TO A SCHOOL. AND THESE USUALLY DO NOT HAVE RESTROOMS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CLOSE TO HOME. THIS IS JUST OVER $3 MILLION. AND THEN THE RENOVATIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE, FINCH PARK HIGHLIGHTING ONE OF THE OLDEST PARKS HERE AND JUST THE RENOVATIONS OF THE PAVILION AND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, TOTAL RENOVATION COST OF NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS IS ALMOST 14 MILLION. PLAYGROUNDS. AS YOU CAN SEE A LONG LIST. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE ARE CLOSE TO BEING AT A 15 YEAR CYCLE FOR PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. SO JUST FOCUSING ON THE LAST THREE, WHICH IS AVIATOR HORIZON, WHICH BOTH JUST OPENED IN THE SPRINGTIME, AND THEN OLD SETTLER'S PARK, AND THE TOTAL OF PLAYGROUNDS OF CDC FUNDING IS JUST SHY OF $2.5 MILLION. RECREATION CENTER RENOVATIONS THAT INCLUDE OLD SETTLERS SENIOR CENTER EXPANSION AND REC CENTER AT TOWN LAKE IS $9.7 MILLION, AND JUST HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE RENOVATIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE. RECREATION CENTER AT TOWN LAKE IS NEAR COMPLETION, AND WE'RE HOPING SOMETIME THIS MONTH. JUST A SHAMELESS PLUG.

MASTER PLANS JUST OVER 800,000 TRAIL MASTER PLAN IS UP FOR SOME UPDATING IN FY 26. SO EXCITED TO GET THAT. JUST AS THE COLLIN COUNTY MASTER PLAN FOR TRAILS IS BEING LOOKED AT RIGHT NOW BY HALF ASSOCIATES, IT'S TIME FOR US TO ALSO UPDATE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN SYNC WITH THE COUNTY PARK. MASTER PLAN IS UP FOR UPDATING AS WE NEAR THE COMPLETION OF EVERYTHING LISTED IN THERE BEING COMPLETED OR IN PROCESS. SO THAT'S A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT. THE ONLY THING LEFT ON THERE IS A WATER PARK. SO WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS BEING COMPLETED, IT'S TIME TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT AND UPDATE THE MASTER PLAN, AS WELL AS ALL OF THESE OTHER PARKS THAT WE HAVE MASTER PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE. AND CDC FUNDING. SUMMARY. SO HERE'S JUST A SUMMARY OF ALL THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, WITH A TOTAL OF PROJECTS TOTALING 56, WITH A FUNDING THAT HAS BEEN SPENT TO DATE AT JUST ALMOST AT $43.5 MILLION. RE APPROPRIATION REQUEST. TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT PROJECTS LAST MONTH, WE DID GO ASK FOR THESE PROJECTS TO BE REALLOCATED, INCLUDING WHATELY PARK. THIS PROJECT WAS DELAYED DUE TO ENVIRONMENTAL THAT NOW HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT, OLD SETTLER'S PARK. THIS WAS DELAYED AS WE WERE WORKING ON THE STREET ALIGNMENT FROM VIRGINIA OVER TO AIRPORT ROAD. AGAIN, THAT IS ALMOST DONE. WE'RE GETTING READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. GREEN'S NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. THE FUNDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPENT AND THAT PROJECT IS NEAR COMPLETION. HORIZON PARK AGAIN, THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED AND THE FUNDS WILL GO OUT AS SOON AS HOPEFULLY WE GET THEM REALLOCATED. THIS WEEK AT THE BOARD MEETING. PARK EQUIPMENT. THIS IS A STAGE THAT WAS ORDERED. IT WAS ON DELAY FOR 18 MONTHS, SO IT SHOULD BE DELIVERED IN OCTOBER. TOWN LAKE

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SO WE ACTUALLY STARTED ON DESIGN WORK IN 2022. AND THIS IS JUST JUST TO SHOW YOU THE PROGRESSION AND SOME LOOPHOLES THAT YOU USUALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH. AND HOLDING PATTERN. SO WE THAT PROJECT WAS PLACED ON HOLD WHEN WE WENT TO PNC. THEY WANTED SOME ADDITIONAL TESTING, SO WE HAD TO WORK WITH HISTORIC COMMISSION, WHICH TOOK US TO THE END OF 2024. WE FINALLY WERE ABLE TO REZONE OF MARCH OF THIS YEAR, AND WE PICKED UP THE DESIGN WORK, WHICH WE'RE AT 95% CIVIL DESIGN, AND WE ARE GOING TO GO TO BID IN AUGUST. SO THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD. WE JUST HIT A SNAG WITH HAVING TO GO THROUGH THC FOR ADDITIONAL TESTING. JUST AN EXAMPLE.

SOMETIMES PROJECTS ARE PLACED ON HOLD. SO FOR THIS YEAR FOR CDC GRANT REQUEST, WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR $8 MILLION TO HELP WITH ACCESSIBILITY ON TRAILS. TRAIL PLAN, AMENDMENT AND AMENDMENT, AND WAYFINDING ALL RUSH OFF ROAD. OLD SAILOR, OLD SETTLERS PARK RENOVATION AND IRWIN PARK.

THAT PROJECT CAME IN OVER $9 MILLION, WHICH LAST YEAR THEY FUNDED 5.5. SO WE WILL BE ASKING FOR THREE ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS, TOTALING AGAIN $8 MILLION. LAST TWO WEEKS AGO, WE HAD A JOINT CDC AND PARK BOARD MEETING, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRIORITY PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. ONE OF THE FUTURE FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON TRAILS. WE ALL KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF TRAILS FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT OUR EXISTING TRAIL PLAN LOOKS LIKE.

ALSO, FOCUSING ON LARGER PROJECTS SUCH AS TOWN LAKE PARK AND OLD SETTLER'S IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE. THESE ARE JUST SOME RENDERINGS. I'M HOPING TO START CONSTRUCTION IN SPRING OF 2026, SO OTHER PARKS FUNDING SOURCES WHICH WE'VE MADE MENTION OF PARKLAND FEES. A NEW ORDINANCE CAME INTO EFFECT DECEMBER OF 2022 WITH SEVEN PARKLAND ZONES. YOU CAN SEE THE ZONE MAP TO YOUR RIGHT. SOME ZONES RECEIVE LITTLE TO NO MONEY, AND THEN ALSO WHEN THOSE FEES GET PAID INTO THE ZONE, THAT FUNDING HAS TO STAY WITHIN THE ZONE. APPROXIMATELY $1.5 MILLION HAVE BEEN PAID SINCE DECEMBER OF 2024, AND HOPING THAT THOSE WILL INCREASE SHORTLY, WITH SOME DEVELOPMENTS COMING INTO PLAY. BONDS FROM 20 1929, $91 MILLION WAS APPROVED FOR LAND ACQUISITION. THE SOCCER COMPLEX AT CRAIG RANCH, PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT AND COMMUNITY PARK RENOVATIONS, AGAIN JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE SOCCER COMPLEX THAT HAS BEEN A HUGE HIT AND HAVE ALREADY HOSTED MANY EVENTS OUT THERE. BONDS 2024. LAST MAY, $106 MILLION WAS APPROVED, $2.5 MILLION IN BONDS HAS IS GOING TO BE ISSUED IN JULY TO START DESIGN WORK ON THAT. GABE NESBITT IS 20 MILLION, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED. FUNDING AND CONSTRUCTION WILL BE BEGINNING SHORTLY ON THAT PROJECT. PICKLEBALL IS 1 MILLION, WHICH IS IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AS WELL AS A NEW RECREATION CENTER. 60 MILLION, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE COLLIN COUNTY OPEN SPACE GRANTS, AS WELL AS THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE GRANTS. AND JUST IN SUMMARY AND CONCLUSION, I'M HERE'S JUST, AGAIN, AN OVERALL SNAPSHOT AND ALL OF THE

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AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED UNFUNDED PROJECTS. AND WITH THAT, I WILL STAND WITH ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS, GOOD LOOKING GROUP OF PEOPLE. YEAH THAT'S FINE GROUP. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE WHEN YOU I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EXACT NUMBERS. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, THE MASTER PLANS CALL FOR WITH THE TRAILS AND THE PARKS AND IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCES, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE 2024 BOND OR KIND OF WHAT WE PROJECT IN THESE OTHERS, WHAT'S THE GAP? WE'RE LOOKING. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE NEXT 8 TO 10 YEARS.

WE HAVE PROBABLY 25 TO 30 PROJECTS WITH A FUNDING GAP OF ABOUT $100 MILLION. AND THAT'S EIGHT YEARS BETWEEN 8 AND 9 YEARS. RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST SAY IF WE IF CITIES DO BONDS EVERY FIVE YEARS, LET'S SAY 60% OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO WE STILL HAVE WE DON'T EXPECT DEVELOPMENT FEES OR ALLOCATION MONEY TO, TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A WAY TO FILL THAT MAYBE WE, WE CATCH THE FRONT END OF THE BOND ANOTHER BOND IN FIVE YEARS. BUT I MEAN WE STILL HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO, WHETHER IT IS TO COMPLETE THE TRAIL SYSTEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND A FAILURE THAT'S COMING FROM COLLIN COUNTY, OR IF IT'S JUST TO BUILD OUT UNUSED LAND THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE GOT TO IDENTIFY OTHER FUNDING SOURCES OR INCREASE THE FUNDING SOURCES WE HAVE. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT. I KNOW THIS PROBLEM AND THAT BUDGET DELTA IS EXACERBATED BY THE FACT THAT NOW WHAT WE HAVE WITH SB SIX, WE HAVE FOR YEARS OUT IN THE ETJ ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NO REQUIRED DEVELOPERS CAN DEVELOP. AND THERE HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS OF UNITS DEVELOPED WITH NO PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES, NO PARKLAND DEDICATION, NO NOTHING. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS HURTING OUR CITY VERY, VERY BAD AS IT IS HURTING CITIES ALL OVER THE STATE. I GUESS YOU'RE FEELING THE PRESSURE OF THAT IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. WE ARE. YEAH. SO IT'S IMPACTING EVERY RESIDENT IN THIS CITY. OF COURSE, THE ONLY WAY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP WHEN THOSE DEVELOPING IN THE ETJ ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING IS IT'S GOING TO FALL ON THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS. AND HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT BIG GAPS AS A RESULT, CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTING TO THAT RESULT. SO THAT'S WHY I SPEAK ABOUT IT SO MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU AMY. ALL RIGHT. 25 2793 UPDATE ON

[Update on 2024 Charter Amendment Election]

TWO OF THE PROPOSITIONS PASSED. THOSE TWO ITEMS REALLY RELATE TO CORRECTIONS TO SPELLING GRAMMAR PRACTICES THAT WE NO LONGER USE, POLICIES THAT ARE NO LONGER USED. AND SO EMPRESS IS SHOWING YOU THE RED LINE OF THAT, THAT THAT ORDINANCE WHICH WILL BE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. AND SO FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF THOSE PASSAGES. THIS DOCUMENT WILL BECOME THE NEW CHARTER. UNLIKE CODIFICATION, THIS IS WHAT IT IS. AND SO IT DOESN'T GO OUT FOR CODIFICATION. WE BASICALLY CORRECT THINGS AND MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO DATE. SO HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. BUT THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF LAST YEAR'S ELECTION. YEAH OKAY. THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS HAVE ASKED TO REVISIT LAST SUMMER ABOUT THIS TIME, MR. MINYARD AND I HAD A NICE JULY OF MEETINGS WITH THE COMMISSION THAT THIS COUNCIL APPOINTED. THAT

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BUT I WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO EMBARK UPON ANOTHER CHARTER, AMENDMENT OR CHARTER PROPOSITION TO CHANGE COUNCIL DISTRICTS, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. AFTER YOU HAVE A CHARTER ELECTION. IF THAT'S WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO WITH THIS, THEN YOU WOULD REDRAW THOSE DISTRICTS. AND THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH TO REDRAW DISTRICTS. NOW, WHETHER WE HAVE A CHARTER ELECTION OR NOT, WE'RE GOING TO BE REDRAWING DISTRICTS AFTER THE CENSUS. AND ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ISSUES IS THAT THERE'S A DELAY WHEN YOU GET YOUR RESULTS FROM THE FROM THE CENSUS BUREAU. SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY DRAWING UNTIL USUALLY THE NEXT YEAR. AND SO ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WAS HAD LAST SUMMER WAS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD GET STARTED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BECAUSE THE CENSUS IS FIVE YEARS AWAY, BUT COMING FAST, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD BEGIN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE WOULD HAVE THE ELECTION FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, HOW WE MIGHT BEGIN TO LOOK AT THESE CRITERIA FOR DRAWING NEW DISTRICTS. SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE, BUT I'M SHOWING YOU THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION LOOKED AT. NOW, THIS IS AN INTERESTING SLIDE BECAUSE AS IT RELATES TO TIMING, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, AND I JUST MENTIONED, SINCE THIS IS EVERY TEN YEARS, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO DRAW NEW DISTRICTS BEFORE THE CENSUS AND YOU CAN BASICALLY KIND OF WHAT'S THE WORD. PRE PRE DRAW AND CREATE YOUR DISTRICTS BEFORE THE CENSUS USING THE DATA WE HAVE TODAY. AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING

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THERE'S ALL KINDS OF CONSIDERATIONS. THAT IS NOT TODAY. FOR INSTANCE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE ELECTED AND SITTING IN THEIR SEAT IN THEIR DISTRICT REMAIN IN THEIR DISTRICT IN A NEW. A NEWLY DRAWN DISTRICT MAP. SO. THIS WAS ANOTHER SET OF SLIDES THAT WAS UTILIZED BY THE COMMITTEE OR THE COMMISSION. AND IT WAS ILLUSTRATIVE TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT OTHER CITIES DO. AND YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE SOME OF THESE ARE NEIGHBORS, AND SOME OF THESE ARE LARGE CITIES LIKE OURS, SOME LARGER. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA LIKE CITY OF AUSTIN, A MAYOR AND TEN DISTRICTS, SOME HAVE AT LARGE BROWNSVILLE A MAYOR, THREE AT LARGE, FOUR DISTRICTS. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF AT LARGE AND SINGLE MEMBER. THERE'S NO RIGHT WAY OR WRONG WAY. IT'S WHAT THIS CITY COUNCIL WANTS THE VOTERS TO LOOK AT, TO SEE WHAT IS BEST FOR MCKINNEY. I THINK KERRY IS A OUT OF STATE THAT KERRY, INDIANA, KERRY, CAROLINA. CAROLINA. THANK YOU NORTH CAROLINA. EL PASO, DENTON. IT'S DIFFERENT. GILBERT, ARIZONA. OUR NEIGHBOR FRISCO AND GUNTER WOULD BE BACK HERE TO HELP THE COUNCIL ON ANY KINDS OF REDRAWING AND QUESTIONS AND MAPPING ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HE'S VERY GOOD WITH VERY GOOD AT. SO. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. IN THESE EXAMPLES FROM THE OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY HAVE AN ODD NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHETHER AT LARGE OR DISTRICTS, IS THE MAYOR NONVOTING? SOME ARE, SOME ARE NOT INTERESTING. SO. OH, YEP. THE ONLY THING I'D ADD ABOUT THE LIST THAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIES THAT WERE LISTED WERE OVER 100,000, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT HAD A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. WE DID USE A COUPLE OF ANALOGS FROM FAST GROWING CITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THAT'S KERRY, NORTH CAROLINA, AND SOME OTHERS. GILBERT WAS ANOTHER ONE. THERE IS A MIX, THOUGH, OF WHETHER OR NOT THE MAYOR WAS A TIE BREAKING VOTE OR JUST AN AT LARGE VOTE. THANK YOU. THIS IS WHERE THE COMMISSION ENDED UP LAST SUMMER, THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO FURTHER ANALYZE, STUDY AND EVALUATE CHANGES TO THE CURRENT COUNCIL COMPOSITION. AND AS OUR CHARTER, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HOPEFULLY PASS TONIGHT AS OUR NEW CHARTER VERSION REQUIRES, YOU CANNOT HAVE A CHARTER ELECTION EXCEPT FOR EVERY TWO YEARS. AND SO AN ELECTION TO INCREASE CHANGE THE COMPOSITION OF DISTRICTS AND THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE TO BE NO SOONER THAN NOVEMBER OF 2026. ONE OTHER.

PROCEDURAL THING IS, WHILE YOU USE THE COMMISSION FORMAT LAST SUMMER AND YOU EACH PICKED, I BELIEVE, MEMBERS LIKE THREE EACH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE COUNCIL CAN ALSO CALL AN ELECTION ITSELF, WITH THE PROPOSITION THAT IT WOULD LIKE THE VOTERS TO CONSIDER. SO THIS CAN BE STUDIED BY STAKEHOLDERS, AS YOU DID WITH THE COMMISSION, OR CAN BE IMPLEMENTED, IMPLEMENTED IN THE FORM OF AN ELECTION ORDINANCE BY THE COUNCIL, WHICH IS PRIOR TO LAST YEAR, WE THE LAST TWO CHARTER ELECTIONS WERE INITIATED BY THE COUNCIL ITSELF. THIS IS JUST THE DATA FROM THERE. POLLS AND THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE PRESENT, THEY DID VARIOUS. POLLING TO END UP

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ONE, I THINK OUR DISTRICTS ARE SO LARGE THAT WE LOSE SOME OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF COMMON VOTING INTERESTS, MEANING RIGHT NOW I REPRESENT A BIG PART OF EAST MCKINNEY AND OLD MCKINNEY, BUT I ALSO REPRESENT A PORTION OF MCKINNEY. YES, SIR. AND THOSE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMONALITIES. AND I'LL JUST MENTION PATRICK REPRESENTS, YOU KNOW, A BIG PART OF EL DORADO AND ALSO CRAIG RANCH, WHICH COULD HAVE DIFFERENCES AND PRIORITIES. AND I MEAN THE SAME FOR ALL OF US IN DISTRICTS THAT WE'VE KIND OF STRETCHED THESE OVER GEOGRAPHIC AREAS THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME OF THOSE VOTING BLOCS LESS. VIABLE. AND YOU'RE AND YOU'RE PRESSING TO 60,000. YES. THAT'S THE OTHER THING, IS THAT PEOPLE IN EACH DISTRICT, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF A DISTRICT MEMBER IS THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY RESPONSIVE AND KNOW OUR DISTRICT. AND WHEN THAT NUMBER GETS TO THE 48 THAT WE DID IT IN THIS LAST THING AND CLOSE TO 55, 60, WHICH WOULD IT'LL BE AT THAT'S A THAT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAN WHERE WE WERE IN 2010, WHICH WAS ABOUT 30,000 IN EACH DISTRICT. AND IF WE DID INCREASE TO SIX, DISTRICT MEMBERS WOULD GET BACK TO ABOUT 30 TO 35,000IN DISTRICT. CORRECT. AND THEN THERE'S ALL THOSE VARIATIONS OF GOING FROM 7 TO 9. YEAH. AND ALL THE YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR ME, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THIS IS TIME BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A FAIRLY LARGE SET OF VARIABLES TO CONSIDER TO VET IN PUBLIC AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DETERMINE THE WILL OF PEOPLE IN THIS, BUT ALSO TIME TO EDUCATE ABOUT WHAT OUR, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU LISTED, WHAT ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS, AND SO, YOU KNOW, 2027 SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME FROM NOW AS WE'VE JUST FINISHED ELECTIONS AND OTHERS ARE STILL RUNNING ELECTIONS. I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THIS NEEDS A YEAR OR TWO THAT WE NEED

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THE OTHER CITIES. WHAT, WHAT? EACH DISTRICT, THE ONES THAT HAVE DISTRICT MEMBERS, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT. BECAUSE THE BIGGER THOSE CITIES GOT FORT WORTH, AUSTIN, DALLAS, THEY START ADDING MULTIPLE DISTRICTS. AND WHAT'S THAT LIKE OF THE ONES THAT HAVE DISTRICTS? WHERE HAVE OTHERS FOUND THAT SWEET SPOT OF HOW MANY ARE WE GOING TO REPRESENT? BECAUSE. YOU KNOW, I'M IN MY MIND, THAT'S A THAT'S PART OF WHAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT IN THAT HE HAS ALL THAT DATA I KNOW WHICH WE PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE. SO ANYBODY ELSE KNOW. AND I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE CENSUS AND YOU KNOW AND GROWTH. BUT AS A COUNCIL AND YOU KNOW AND EVEN STAFF, WE KNOW WHERE THE HEAT MAPS ARE. WE KNOW WHERE THE BIG DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING. PAINT A TREE AND HONEY CREEK. I MEAN, WE COULD WE COULD PREPLAN FOR THAT. WE KNOW WHERE ALL THE, THE NEW ROOFTOPS ARE GOING. SO I DON'T I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T STOP START AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

ABSOLUTELY I AGREE MY ONLY STATEMENT WOULD BE IN LESS THAN A MONTH, THERE WILL BE TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THAT DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT DISCUSSION TAKE PLACE THEN WITH THEIR INPUT OBVIOUSLY. SO MY THING IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS. BUT NO, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T TAKE IT. I WANT US TO BE STARTED ON THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OF THE ONES THAT ARE REMAINING, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH THAT WANT TO LOOK AT IT. NOT THAT WE HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME WE ALL WANT, BUT I MEAN, I DO THINK TIME IS THE BIGGEST THING IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S A LONG WAY OUT. BUT WE NEED ALL OF THAT TIME WE CAN TO MAKE THIS DONE, TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHT. SO YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH JUSTIN 100% ON TIME. AND WE WALKED INTO THAT ONE LAST YEAR KNOWING WE WERE COMPRESSED FOR TIME. AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT I'D LIKE TO DO THAT. THE OUTCOME THAT I'D MOST LIKE TO SEE, AND THIS IS SUBJECTIVE, IS AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL SEATS. I'M MUCH LESS ENAMORED OF MOVING TO A BUNCH OF DISTRICTS. I'M IN A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE IN BOTH CAPACITIES AND AT LARGE FOR 15 MONTHS, AND FOR DISTRICT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AND THE WORKLOAD FOR ME THAT IS THE MOST ONEROUS IS NOT THE RESPONSIVENESS TO CITIZENS AT ALL, BECAUSE AT ONE POINT I HAD 200,000. NOW I'M DOWN TO 52, BUT IT HASN'T CHANGED MUCH. BUT IS THE MONITORING OF THE DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE UP HERE AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, MORE GREAT PEOPLE UP HERE. I THINK A CITY THIS SIZE DESERVES THAT. BUT I'D CERTAINLY LIKE MAMMOTH INPUT FROM THE CITIZENRY TO LITIGATE EVERYTHING I JUST SAID. ABSOLUTELY. JUST POINT OUT THAT NOVEMBER OF 26 IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS EVALUATED AND SOME ALTERNATIVES PROPOSED FOR WHATEVER COUNCIL MAKES THAT DECISION. BUT I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO LEAVING THAT NUMBER OR CONFIGURATION TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. AND IF YOU GAVE THEM ALTERNATIVES, MIGHT BE A WISER CHOICE TO LET THEM DETERMINE WHAT FORM AND STRUCTURE OF REPRESENTATION THEY HAVE. JUST MY THOUGHTS, OKAY. AND I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT YOU NEVER HEARD GEORGE MICHAEL OR I COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NUMBER OF FOLKS WE

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[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MATTERS, CANNON DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, TEXAS, LLC AND CR. J.W, LLC. THERE WILL BE NO ACTION. YES THERE IS. THERE WILL BE SOME ACTION.

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