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WE STILL HAD. GOOD EVENING. IT'S 5:35 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF JUNE 5TH, 2025. THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE.
CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE ALL TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES, BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND AVOID OVERTALKING THE ISSUE. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE NONPUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS? THE ANSWER IS NO, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
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THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 2528 53 MINUTES OF THE JOINT MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD OF MAY 21ST, 2024. SO THIS WAS HELD LAST YEAR, BUT WE DID NOT GET THOSE MEETINGS MINUTES APPROVED AT THAT TIME. I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. MOVE MOTION IS MADE BY BETTY ISAAC. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. MEGAN ESCAMILLA IS A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ARE WE VOTING ELECTRONICALLY TODAY OR. OKAY. WAIT A MINUTE. I CAN DO THIS. I NEED THE SECOND. MEGAN. THERE WE GO. I BELIEVE IN US. SO WE'RE ALL SET. ALL RIGHT. CAN I VOTE FROM THIS? ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE.IT'LL TURN GREEN WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HIT IT. LIAR. MINE'S GREEN. NO, WE ALMOST HAD IT. OH, YOU THINK YOU HAVE A SPECIAL TOUCH? IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? OH, I WANT TO SEE. I THINK I THINK IT'S FROZEN. OH, IT SHOWS THEM. IT SHOWS. YAY OR NAY. NOT GONNA WORK. IT DOESN'T CHANGE.
WE COULD DO IT. YEAH, IT'S. YEAH, I GOT IT. HE HAS TOUCHING SOMEWHERE. OH, REALLY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND MOVE NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 25, 28, 55 MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD WORK SESSION MEETING OF MAY 1ST, 2025. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE. APPROVAL. MOTION IS MADE BY ME. BETTY PETKOVSEK. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND IS MADE BY MEGAN ESCAMILLA. OH, MARCIA. SECONDED. OH, MARCIA.
SECONDED. WHERE'D YOU GO? MARCIA, JUMP IN THERE, PLEASE. THE RIGHT WAY. PLEASE. PRESS YOUR VOTES NOW. PLEASE. AND THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 2528, 54 MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF MAY 1ST, 2025. DO WE HAVE A MOVE? A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. I HAVE A MOTION BY JIMMIE. DON. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT SECOND. BY BETTY ISAAC. AND I WOULD REQUEST YOUR VOTES AT THIS TIME. MOTION IS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. LET'S
[Learn About the Role of Neighborhood Planning in McKinney]
GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE INFORMATION SHARING ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 25 2852. LEARN ABOUT THE ROLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING IN MCKINNEY. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TORI BROWN NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER, MAKE A PRESENTATION. AND. OKAY, LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT THIS CLICKER. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE IN GOOD STANDING SO FAR. READY OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS TORI BROWN.I AM THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR
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ALLOWING ME TO TAKE SOME OF YOUR TIME TONIGHT. AND EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT IT IS I DO HERE. I KNOW THAT MOST OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN MY FACE AND WONDERED, WHO IS SHE? AND TONIGHT YOU WILL GET TO FIND OUT. SO I WANT TO START BY LETTING YOU ALL KNOW THIS IS MY FIRST PRESENTATION TO GIVE TO THE DAIS, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY ADJUST THIS SO I STOP BENDING OVER.OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND STICK TO MY NOTES. I TEND TO GET VERY EXCITED AND LONG WINDED WHEN I TALK ABOUT MY JOB, SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND BE GOOD AND STICK TO MY NOTES AND LEAVE THIS AT ABOUT 15 20 MINUTES, AND I'LL LEAVE ROOM FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END AS WELL. OKAY? OKAY. SO BEFORE I GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF PERSONAL BACKGROUND WHERE I COME FROM AND HOW I ENDED UP HERE. SO AS I SAID, MY NAME IS TORI. I AM A NORTH TEXAS NATIVE, BORN AND RAISED IN PLANO, TEXAS, GRADUATED FROM PLANO EAST SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL AND ATTENDED COLLEGE AT STEPHEN F AUSTIN IN NACOGDOCHES, TEXAS, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE HOURS EAST OF HERE.
AND WE THEY LIKE TO WE I DON'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE, BUT THEY LIKE TO TOUT THEMSELVES AS THE OLDEST TOWN IN TEXAS. SO BEING A STUDENT THERE, IT WAS KIND OF EVEN NOT BEING A STUDENT OF HISTORY, IT WAS NATURAL THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET EXPOSED TO THE HISTORY, BECAUSE THAT TOWN REALLY PRIDED ITSELF ON ITS HISTORY. SO I BEGAN ACTUALLY WORKING IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE CITY OF NACOGDOCHES IN 2022. I HELPED WORK ON THEIR DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. SO I GOT A GOOD KIND OF FEEL FOR WHAT PLANNING IS AND THE INTERSECTION OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND HOW THAT KIND OF FITS INTO THE PLANNING PROFESSION. SO I BEGAN I LEFT NACOGDOCHES IN 2023 AND CAME OVER HERE TO MCKINNEY TO BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO HOME AND CLOSER TO FAMILY. I'VE LOVED WORKING HERE SO FAR AND MY WHY IS VERY SIMPLE. I REALLY LOVE BEING A PUBLIC SERVANT. I LOVE SEEING MY WORK CONTRIBUTE TO A VIBRANT AND JOYFUL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO NEEDLESS TO SAY, WHEN MCKINNEY OPENED UP A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER POSITION, IT FELT LIKE FATE. SO VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE. OKAY, SO NOW I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET INTO. I'LL GIVE A QUICK LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER TONIGHT. I'LL START BY PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING WORK. THEN I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING EVEN IS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HERE IN MCKINNEY. AND THEN I'LL GO OVER WHAT MY ROLE ENTAILS AND SHARE A FEW EXAMPLES WITH YOU GUYS OF PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO. AND THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. OKAY. SO TO BEGIN, LET'S TALK ABOUT EAST MCKINNEY AND HOW THIS PROGRAM AREA CAME TO BE. SO HISTORICALLY, EAST MCKINNEY HAS BEEN HOME TO BLACK, HISPANIC AND LATINO RESIDENTS. FURTHER SOUTH, WE HAD PRIMARILY MILL WORKERS AND WORKFORCE HOUSING. TODAY, IT REMAINS A DIVERSE AND DYNAMIC PART OF OUR CITY, WITH A MIX OF GENERATIONAL HOMEOWNERS, RENTERS, AND NEW RESIDENTS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE. ONE CHALLENGE THAT WE FACE IS THAT THERE IS A LACK OF HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION IN THIS AREA, AND IN RECENT YEARS, WE'VE SEEN LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE, HAVE INCREASED PRESSURE ON THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, PROMPTING THE NEED FOR FOCUSED PRESERVATION AND PLANNING EFFORTS. SO TO ADDRESS THESE INCREASED DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES, DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES, THE CITY INITIATED THE EAST MCKINNEY NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION STUDY IN 2022. THAT EFFORT CULMINATED IN THE 2020. IN 2023, WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE EAST MCKINNEY NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION PLAN, ONE IMPORTANT OUTCOME OF THAT PLAN WAS THE CREATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER POSITION, WHICH I'M HONORED TO HOLD, AND THE PLAN ALSO IDENTIFIED FIVE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS TO HELP PROTECT AND ENHANCE EAST MCKINNEY NEIGHBORHOODS. ONE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO INCREASE EDUCATION AND OUTREACH ABOUT EXISTING PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES, WHICH IS A CORE PART OF WHAT I DO. SO WHAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING? BEFORE I EXPLAIN WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING IS, I WANT TO START BY EXPLAINING WHERE THIS ROLE LIVES WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT FOR UNDERSTANDING HOW WE APPROACH THIS WORK. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER POSITION IS PART OF KASEY'S TEAM IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THAT WAS A VERY INTENTIONAL DECISION WHEN THE POSITION WAS CREATED. WHILE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFTEN FOCUSES ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING CONSIDERS THE BROADER CONTEXT THE STREETS, THE HOMES,
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THE RESIDENTS, AND THE LONG STANDING CHARACTER OF AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO BY BEING HOUSED WITHIN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT TEAM, I'M ABLE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PLANNERS, OUR PRESERVATION PLANNER, RENA, AND OUR DOWNTOWN PLANNING STAFF ON PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES THAT AFFECT THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THIS STRUCTURE ALLOWS US TO COORDINATE ON A WIDE RANGE OF EFFORTS, FROM REVIEWING NEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS AND EVALUATING THEIR IMPACT ON HISTORIC AREAS TO HOSTING PUBLIC EDUCATION EVENTS, SUPPORTING PRESERVATION PROGRAMS LIKE HISTORIC MARKERS, AND WORKING ON NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION PROJECTS. SO HERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BREAKDOWN INTO OUR TEAM STRUCTURE. AS YOU KNOW, RAYNA, OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER, HANDLES CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND TAX EXEMPTIONS. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT. SO ZONE IMPACT FEE REIMBURSEMENTS. OUR DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PLANNER IS FOCUSED ON THINGS GOING ON DOWNTOWN. SO THEY DEAL WITH SIDEWALK LICENSE AGREEMENTS, PROCESSING PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND THE MCKINNEY TOWN CENTER DISTRICT AND ADMINISTERING TOURS. AND SO WHERE MY ROLE KIND OF FITS IN AND ALL THAT IS, I FOCUS ON NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION, PUBLIC EDUCATION AND ADVOCACY, PARTICULARLY WITHIN EAST MCKINNEY'S LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR RELATIONSHIP BUILDING, OUTREACH, EDUCATION, AND ANY SPECIAL PROJECTS RELATED TO OUR HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITIES ON THE EAST SIDE. SO WHILE EACH OF THESE ROLES HAS A UNIQUE FOCUS, WE COLLABORATE FREQUENTLY, ESPECIALLY ON PROJECTS THAT IMPACT EAST MCKINNEY, DOWNTOWN OR OUR OTHER HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THIS IS STRUCTURE ENSURES THAT BOTH INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS RECEIVE COORDINATED, THOUGHTFUL ATTENTION. SO WHAT EXACTLY IS NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING? AT ITS CORE, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING FOCUSES ON THE NEEDS AND PRIORITIES OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THEM. IN MCKINNEY, OUR EMPHASIS IS ON PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS EAST OF HIGHWAY FIVE, PROMOTING EQUITY, PREVENTING DISPLACEMENT, AND ENHANCING OVERALL COMMUNITY HEALTH, SAFETY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE. IN THIS ROLE, I WEAR A LOT OF HATS BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING TOUCHES SO MANY ASPECTS OF COMMUNITY LIFE. I SERVE AS A COMMUNITY LIAISON, BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH RESIDENTS, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, AND NONPROFITS. I ACT AS A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, MAKING SURE NEIGHBORS KNOW ABOUT UPCOMING PROJECTS AND AVAILABLE RESOURCES. I'M A HISTORIAN AND RESEARCHER, UNCOVERING STORIES AND RECORDS TO HELP DOCUMENT THE AREA'S PAST. I'M A TEACHER OFFERING EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS ABOUT LOCAL HISTORY AND PLANNING TOPICS, AND I'M A COMMUNITY ADVOCATE REPRESENTING NEIGHBORHOOD INTERESTS INTERNALLY AS WE REVIEW NEW DEVELOPMENTS OR PLAN NEW INITIATIVES. THIS WORK BRIDGES TRADITIONAL PLANNING WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION. IT'S A ROLE THAT LIVES AT THE INTERSECTION OF POLICY, PEOPLE, AND PLACE. HERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COMPARISON OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING, AND MAYBE OUR MORE TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PLANNING OUR PLANNERS THAT PRESENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. SO A HELPFUL WAY THAT I LIKE TO THINK ABOUT IT IS THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING SERVE COMPLEMENTARY BUT DIFFERENT PURPOSES. DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOCUSES ON REVIEWING PROPOSED PROJECTS, THINGS LIKE ZONING CHANGES, SITE PLANS, PLATS AND PERMITS TO ENSURE THAT THEY MEET CITY CODES, ORDINANCES AND DESIGN STANDARDS. IT'S ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF. NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS FOCUSED ON THE PEOPLE AND PLACES AFFECTED BY THOSE PROJECTS. IT ASKS, HOW WILL THIS PROJECT IMPACT THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD? WILL IT PRESERVE COMMUNITY CHARACTER? WILL IT SUPPORT OR DISPLACE LONGTIME RESIDENTS? WILL IT CONTRIBUTE TO OR DETRACT FROM THE QUALITY OF LIFE? MY JOB IS TO HELP MAKE SURE THOSE COMMUNITY CENTERED QUESTIONS ARE PART OF THE CONVERSATION, EARLY AND OFTEN, AND TO WORK PROACTIVELY ON PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES THAT SUPPORT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. OKAY, SO NOW WE GET TO THE FUN STUFF OF WHAT DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER DO? MY NUMBER ONE JOB IS SUPPORTING THE LONG TERM HEALTH AND VITALITY OF MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, WITH SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO THE EAST MCKINNEY THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS OF EAST MCKINNEY. PRACTICALLY, THIS WORK FALLS INTO FOUR MAIN CATEGORIES RELATIONSHIP BUILDING, PUBLIC EDUCATION, AND OUTREACH. INTERNAL EDUCATION FOR OUR CITY STAFF, AND SPECIAL PROJECTS. SO I'D LIKE TO GO OVER A FEW EXAMPLES OF THOSE. SO RELATIONSHIP BUILDING IS FOUNDATIONAL TO EVERYTHING THAT I DO AS A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER.I WORK TO BUILD CONNECTIONS WITH INDIVIDUALS, BUSINESSES, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, CHURCHES, AND NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS. A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS RELATIONSHIP BUILDING HAS
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COME TOGETHER TO BENEFIT THE EAST SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS IS A RECENT LITTER CLEANUP EFFORT THAT WE DID, WHICH IS PICTURED ON THE SCREEN. SO AFTER RECEIVING FEEDBACK FROM THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS OF EAST MCKINNEY EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT THE CONDITION OF A CREEK THAT RAN THROUGH THE LEWISVILLE AND LOMA NEIGHBORHOODS OF EAST MCKINNEY, WE WERE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR, MARY ABERCROMBIE, AND VOLUNTEERS FROM GARNEY CONSTRUCTION TO DO A MASSIVE CLEANUP OF THE CREEK AREA ALONG BROAD AND THROCKMORTON STREETS. OUR VOLUNTEER TEAM REMOVED A STAGGERING 2,480 POUNDS OF LITTER FROM THE CREEK IN JUST TWO HOURS. SO BY WORKING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS, WE ARE ABLE TO AMPLIFY OUR EFFORTS AND COMPLETE MORE WORK IN LESS TIME. ANOTHER KEY PIECE OF THIS WORK IS PUBLIC EDUCATION AND OUTREACH. OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE HOSTED A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO CELEBRATE, EDUCATE, AND ENGAGE OUR COMMUNITY AROUND THE HISTORY AND IDENTITY OF MCKINNEY'S NEIGHBORHOODS. SOME HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE THE BLACK HISTORY OF MCKINNEY PRESENTATION, WHICH EXPLORES THE LEGACY OF MCKINNEY'S HISTORICALLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOTABLE RESIDENTS. WE'VE ALSO HOSTED A HISPANIC AND LATINO HISTORY OF MCKINNEY, SHINING A LIGHT ON THE CONTRIBUTIONS AND STORIES OF EAST MCKINNEY'S HISPANIC AND LATINO COMMUNITIES. IN ADDITION TO THOSE PROGRAMS, WE OFFER A POPULAR SERIES OF PUBLIC DOWNTOWN WALKING TOURS WHICH CONNECTS RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC CORE BY SHARING THE STORIES OF OUR BUILDINGS, PUBLIC SPACES, AND COMMUNITY LANDMARKS. WE ALSO ORGANIZE SEASONAL AND THEMATIC PROGRAMING LIKE EVENTS FOR COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH IN OCTOBER, WHICH ARE PICTURED ON THE SCREEN THAT IS ACTUALLY A CITY BUILDING WORKSHOP THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. WE DID THREE OF THOSE WORKSHOPS FOR AGES K THROUGH FIVE, HIGH SCHOOL AGED AND THEN AN ADULT AGE ONE. SO THIS WAS A PROGRAM THAT CHALLENGED OUR RESIDENTS TO REALLY THINK CREATIVELY ABOUT WHAT COMMUNITY PLANNING LOOKED LIKE AND HOW THEY COULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. SO YOU MIGHT EVEN RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THESE PICTURES. WE ALSO DID LOVE MCKINNEY AND JUNETEENTH. ALL OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, AND HONORING OUR SHARED HISTORY. THESE PROGRAMS DON'T JUST EDUCATE. THEY BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY PRIDE, AND KEEP NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORY VISIBLE AND VALUED. A FEW MORE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN INCLUDE THE WEALTH BUILDING COMMUNITY DAY EARLIER THIS YEAR IN APRIL, AS WELL AS THE FAITH FORWARD SUMMIT LATE LAST YEAR. OUR PARTICIPATION IN EVENTS LIKE THE WEALTH BUILDING, COMMUNITY DAY AND THE FAITH FORWARD SUMMIT IS A DIRECT REFLECTION OF THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO BUILD WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND RESIDENTS. THE EVENT FOCUSED ON GENERATIONAL WEALTH BUILDING THROUGH HOMEOWNERSHIP, AND IT PROVIDED A VALUABLE PLATFORM FOR US TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAMS, HOME REPAIR ASSISTANCE, AND OTHER RESOURCES THAT SUPPORT RESIDENTS IN EAST MCKINNEY OF MAINTAINING AND INVESTING IN THEIR HOMES. THE FAITH FORWARD SUMMIT SUMMIT BROUGHT TOGETHER FAITH BASED LEADERS FROM EAST MCKINNEY AND BEYOND. THIS GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH TRUSTED, GRASSROOTS LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO LISTEN, SHARE UPDATES ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION EFFORTS, AND INVITE THEIR CONGREGATIONS TO ENGAGE IN FUTURE CONVERSATIONS. AND OF COURSE, ONE OF THE MAJOR HIGHLIGHTS OF OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH THIS WORK THIS YEAR HAS BEEN THE MCKINNEY COMMUNITY CONVERSATION EVENT THAT WE HOSTED IN MARCH OF 2025. THIS EVENT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW SUSTAINED RELATIONSHIP BUILDING AND INTENTIONAL OUTREACH COME TOGETHER IN A MEANINGFUL, COMMUNITY CENTERED WAY. IT WAS DESIGNED AS A BILINGUAL EVENT TO ENSURE ACCESSIBILITY FOR ALL EAST MCKINNEY RESIDENTS. WE BROUGHT IN BILINGUAL STAFF MEMBERS FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT WE COULD GET. WE OFFERED KIND OF MINI PRESENTATIONS, ABOUT 15 MINUTE PRESENTATIONS, AND MADE SURE THAT WE ALSO HAD SPANISH SPEAKERS ON CALL THERE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE LIVE TRANSLATION IF IT WAS NEEDED. SO WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO MAKING SURE THAT THIS WAS ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THAT SPOKE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. AND WHEN WE PUT THIS PROGRAM TOGETHER, WE HAD TWO PRIMARY GOALS IN MIND. FIRST, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE NEIGHBORS WITH A CLEAR AND ACCESSIBLE DEVELOPMENT UPDATE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN EAST MCKINNEY. WE KNEW THAT WE HAD JUST MOVED INTO THE NEW CITY HALL, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON, A LOT MORE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH, SO WE WANTED TO BE PROACTIVE AND MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT, WHAT'S GOING ON NOW AND WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT IN THE COMING YEARS, MONTHS AND WEEKS. OUR SECOND GOAL WAS TO CONNECT RESIDENTS DIRECTLY WITH CITY SERVICES, RESOURCES AND PROGRAMS[00:20:06]
ALONG WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS. AND THANKS TO THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, WE WERE ABLE TO BRING TOGETHER 15 CITY DEPARTMENTS AND THREE COMMUNITY PARTNERS FOR THIS EVENT, INCLUDING THE MCKINNEY LEGACY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, COLLIN COLLEGE, AND THE MCKINNEY LEARNING GARDEN. RESIDENTS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT RESOURCE TABLES, PICK UP INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS, ENGAGE IN ONE ON ONE CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, AND SHARE FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE ALSO ORGANIZED BRIEF PRESENTATIONS FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WHO GAVE RESIDENTS A CHANCE TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM CITY LEADERSHIP ABOUT UPCOMING PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES IMPACTING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. EVENTS LIKE THIS DO NOT HAPPEN IN ISOLATION.THEY'RE THE RESULT OF SUSTAINED, INTENTIONAL RELATIONSHIP BUILDING. THE KIND OF WORK WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF SLIDES AGO. THESE MOMENTS ARE ESSENTIAL FOR MAKING SURE THAT EAST MCKINNEY RESIDENTS NOT ONLY FEEL INFORMED, BUT ALSO FEEL HEARD, INCLUDED, AND CONNECTED TO THE DECISIONS SHAPING THEIR COMMUNITY'S FUTURE. OKAY, I'LL MOVE ON TO INTERNAL EDUCATION.
INTERNAL EDUCATION IS ANOTHER REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF MY ROLE AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER.
IT'S ONE THING TO ENGAGE WITH RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S JUST AS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY OF MCKINNEY EMPLOYEES ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF EAST MCKINNEY'S HISTORY, NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THE CULTURAL IDENTITY OF THE AREA. I, ALONG WITH RENA, LEAD ORIENTATION TOURS FOR NEW CITY EMPLOYEES, AND SINCE WE'VE MOVED OVER TO CITY HALL ON THIS SIDE OF HIGHWAY FIVE, THOSE TOURS HAVE GONE FROM WALKING TOURS TO SOMEWHAT HYBRID DRIVING AND WALKING TOURS. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INCLUDE NEW STOPS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT TO THE EAST SIDE, INCLUDING DOUGHERTY HIGH SCHOOL, HOLY FAMILY PRE-K AND THE GILDA GARCIA GARZA AQUATIC CENTER. AND WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY EXPLAIN KIND OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE LOCATIONS. THESE STOPS HELP GROUND NEW STAFF MEMBERS IN THE RICH HISTORY OF EAST MCKINNEY AND THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED SHAPE IT. I ALSO HAVE HELPED PARTICIPATE IN REGIONAL PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION TEXAS CHAPTER'S MOBILE WORKSHOP SERIES AT LAST YEAR'S CONFERENCE. I KNOW THAT WAS A MOUTHFUL. ESSENTIALLY PUT TOGETHER A MOBILE WORKSHOP FOR APA LAST YEAR, AND THAT ALLOWED PLANNERS AND CITY STAFF FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO WORK IN PRESERVATION, EQUITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING TO KIND OF SEE WHAT WE DO HERE AND TAKE INSPIRATION FROM FROM KIND OF OUR PROGRAMS. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ONE OF MY VERY FAVORITE PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE DONE INTERNALLY IS THE CULTURAL AWARENESS SERIES, WHICH THERE ARE PHOTOS OF ON THIS SLIDE. THIS IS A STAFF TRAINING PROGRAM WHERE EMPLOYEES ARE INVITED TO SHOWCASE HOLIDAYS, TRADITIONS AND CUSTOMS SIGNIFICANT TO THEIR CULTURE AND COMMUNITY. SINCE MAY IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, LAST YEAR, WE ORGANIZED A CULTURAL AWARENESS EVENT SPECIFICALLY THEMED AROUND THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS OF EAST MCKINNEY AND THE HISTORY THAT EXISTS EAST OF THE TRAIN TRACKS. WE INVITED REPRESENTATIVES FROM EAST MCKINNEY NEIGHBORHOODS TO SIT ON A PANEL AND SPEAK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES GROWING UP IN AND LIVING IN THESE COMMUNITIES, ANDREA NICHOLS, FROM THE LOMA NEIGHBORHOOD AND DAUGHTER OF GILDA GARCIA GARZA, BROUGHT HER OUTSTANDING HOLY FAMILY DISPLAY, WHICH INCLUDED EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AND MATERIALS ABOUT FATHER AND DOCTOR VEGA AND THE FOUNDING OF HOLY FAMILY. WE WERE ALSO THRILLED TO HAVE BETH BENTLEY AND THE LEGACY KEEPERS OF OLD EAST MCKINNEY, WHO SHARED THEIR INCREDIBLE HISTORICAL DISPLAY FEATURING ARTIFACTS, DOCUMENTS AND INFORMATION ON KEY COMMUNITY LANDMARKS LIKE DOBIE HIGH SCHOOL AND OTHER SIGNIFICANT PLACES EAST OF THE TRAIN TRACKS. EVENTS LIKE THIS ARE POWERFUL BECAUSE THEY NOT ONLY EDUCATE CITY STAFF, BUT THEY ALSO PROVIDE A PLATFORM FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO SHARE THEIR OWN STORIES, HELPING TO BUILD EMPATHY, AWARENESS, AND A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF EAST MCKINNEY'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR CITY'S HISTORY. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS. SO IN ADDITION TO DAY TO DAY OUTREACH AND EDUCATION, I ALSO TAKE ON A NUMBER OF SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT HELP ADVANCE THE GOALS OF EAST MCKINNEY NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION AND SUPPORT THE LONG TERM VITALITY OF OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, OR ADU PROGRAM.
ADUS ARE SMALL SECONDARY HOUSING UNITS THAT CAN BE BUILT ON EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
THIS PROGRAM WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE MCKINNEY NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION PLAN AS A TOOL TO SUPPORT MULTI-GENERATIONAL LIVING, PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE
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HOUSING OPTIONS FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS, AND HELP PREVENT DISPLACEMENT BY ALLOWING FAMILIES TO REMAIN IN PLACE AS THEIR HOUSING NEEDS MAY CHANGE. ANOTHER ONGOING EFFORT INVOLVES IMPLEMENTING THE PRESERVATION PLAN'S RECOMMENDATION TO PRIORITIZE HISTORICALLY BLACK AND HISPANIC NEIGHBORHOODS FOR FURTHER RESEARCH, AND EXPANDED OR NEW PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES.WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LAUNCHING A NEW HISTORIC MARKER PROJECT TO FORMALLY RECOGNIZE PEOPLE, PLACES, AND STORIES SIGNIFICANT TO THE HISTORY OF EAST MCKINNEY. THIS INCLUDES DOING RESEARCH, DOCUMENTATION, AND APPLICATION PREPARATION FOR MARKERS AT THE STATE LEVEL.
THESE SPECIAL PROJECTS ALLOW US TO BE PROACTIVE, NOT JUST RESPONDING TO CHANGE IN MCKINNEY, BUT ACTIVELY HELPING SHAPE HOW WE HONOR ITS HISTORY AND PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THESE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS. AS OUR CITY CONTINUES TO GROW. AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. TORI. QUESTIONS ON. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT YOUR NEW JOB, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. YEAH. BACK IN THE FALL, JENNIFER HAD PRESENTED TO US THAT WE MAY DO SOME NEIGHBORHOOD RECOGNITION PROGRAMS. SO EAST OF OUR EXCUSE ME, NORTH OF THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT. AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD AS WELL. I NEVER HAVE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. SINCE. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, I AM NOT ACTUALLY. WHEN WE HAD THE HISTORIC SURVEY DONE, THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE UTILIZED MADE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT A NUMBER OF AREAS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE INCLUDED INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IF IT WERE. AM I REMEMBERING ABSOLUTELY IT WASN'T GOING TO BE PART OF THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT. IT WAS NEIGHBORHOOD RECOGNITION PROGRAMS. RIGHT? BUT IT WAS ALSO POTENTIAL AREAS FOR INCLUSION INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK I KIND OF AM FOLLOWING THE LINE OF QUESTIONING. SO WE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY WAS FURTHER RESEARCH INTO THOSE AREAS THAT THEY SUGGESTED, AS WELL AS PRIORITIZATION OF BLACK AND HISPANIC NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I THINK KIND OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RECOGNITION PROGRAM, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE VERBIAGE THAT WE'RE USING, BUT WE DEFINITELY ARE PLANNING, WORKING ON EXPANDING OUR RESEARCH AND KIND OF BUILDING OUR INVENTORY OF HISTORIC RECORDS FOR THE EAST SIDE. ONE KIND OF INTERESTING THING TO NOTE, TOO, IS THAT OUR HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY THAT WE DID IN 2023 WAS THE VERY FIRST RESOURCE SURVEY THAT ACTUALLY CROSSED HIGHWAY FIVE AND DOCUMENTED ALL FIVE OF THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS IN EAST MCKINNEY. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL IN FOR US TO IDENTIFY THE GAPS IN RESEARCH. LOOKING BACK AT THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEYS FROM 1985 AND 2005, AND THEN KIND OF THE MINI 1 IN 2015, HAVING THE 2023 HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY WITH THE EXPANDED EAST SIDE RESOURCE KIND OF INVENTORY IS GOING TO HELP US IDENTIFY THOSE GAPS. AND THE HISTORIC MARKER PROJECT THAT I KIND OF BRIEFLY MENTIONED THAT WE ARE JUST NOW LAUNCHING IS KIND OF OUR PILOT PROJECT INTO DOCUMENTING SOME OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT SPACES AND PLACES ON THE EAST SIDE. SO THE TWO THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW TO GO FOR, FOR A PILOT PROJECT IS THE HOLY FAMILY SCHOOL AT 500 THROCKMORTON, THE ORIGINAL DOBIE HIGH SCHOOL LOCATION. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL HOLY FAMILY CHURCH AND LA ESCUELITA IN LA LOMA NEIGHBORHOOD AT 404 LINCOLN. I DON'T MEAN TO WEAR YOU OUT, BUT I HAVE THREE MORE QUESTIONS. YEAH, AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SURVEY AT THE TIME, THEY WERE GOING TO BE TWO MORE ADDITIONS TO THE SURVEY. ONE WAS GOING TO BE THE.
HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THE LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH THAT WAS GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE MAP. SO AS A BOARD, WE CAN SEE WHAT WAS THERE. WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING SOMETHING. NUMBER TWO, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS RIGHT NOW IS NOT THERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT ONE HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR, BUT THERE'S NO LINK TO THE CERTIFICATE. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT WAS TO BE ADDED LATER AND HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE. OKAY. WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY I CAN ANSWER THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU. SO WE
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HAVE ALSO HIRED A NEW GIS ANALYST IN OUR DEPARTMENT, AND I'M WORKING WITH HIM AS WELL AS REYNA, AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON GETTING THAT MAP UPDATED. A LOT OF THE PAUSE IN THAT AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION UPLOADED WAS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A GIS ANALYST IN OUR DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR US, SO WE WERE JUST USING THE IT DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE WHO OBVIOUSLY COVERS THE ENTIRE CITY. AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO GET AT LEAST ALL OF THE PHOTOS PUSHED OUT BY THE END OF THE SUMMER ONTO THAT MAP, THE ONE THAT YOU SEE THAT HAS THE PRIORITY RATINGS ON IT. AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE TACKLING THE PRIORITY RATINGS. AND THEN AFTER THAT WOULD BE THE COA. OKAY, JUST ONE MORE AND I'LL BE QUIET.OKAY. I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR 2,400 POUNDS OF TRASH. YEAH. BUT SURELY THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. I MEAN, THERE SHOULD BE A CITY STAFF PERSON THAT OR A GROUP OR HOW DID IT GET THERE? HOW DID WE GET 2,400 POUNDS OF TRASH THAT NOBODY PICKED UP? IF THAT WAS IN A CREEK IN STONEBRIDGE, IT'D BE SPOTLESS, RIGHT? RIGHT. YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, AND I. I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHEN OR HOW IT ENDED UP THERE. I CAN SAY THAT WE ARE MAKING EVERY EFFORT TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY. WHEN THEY BRING CONCERNS LIKE THAT OUR WAY, AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO KIND OF ADDRESS THE SITUATION. NOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID PULL OUT OF THE CREEK, IT DEFINITELY APPEARED TO BE JUST WHOEVER DUMPING THINGS BECAUSE WE FOUND THINGS LIKE MICROWAVES, TRACTOR TIRES, MAILBOXES, THINGS THAT REALLY IT'S NOT TRASH THAT GOT BLOWN INTO THE CREEK. IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY THREW DOWN THERE. WE HAVE NO ONE IN THE CITY SERVICES THAT MAINTAINS THAT. THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC WORKS QUESTION. I, LIKE I SAID WITH THE MARY ABERCROMBY, SHE IS IN PUBLIC WORKS, AND HER AND I HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES. I CAN'T SPEAK FURTHER TO, YOU KNOW, THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS THEY HAVE OUT THERE OR WHO KIND OF MAINTAINS THOSE CREEK AREAS. I'M NOT SURE, TO BE HONEST, KIND OF SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. SO HISTORICALLY, I GREW UP ON THE EAST SIDE. I LIVE THERE NOW.
HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT, WITH BEING HEARD, WITH PEOPLE COMING OVER. NOW CITY HALL IS HERE, SO PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THE EAST SIDE A LOT MORE THAN THEY USED TO, WHICH IS GREAT FOR THOSE PURPOSES, BECAUSE BEFORE IT DIDN'T MATTER. YOU'RE RIGHT. BECAUSE IF IT WAS IN STONEBRIDGE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. RIGHT. AND WE'VE WE'VE YELLED AND WE'VE SHOUTED AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR YEARS. AND I'LL SAY MORE ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL TORY IS IN THE ROLE THAT SHE'S IN. AND MARY IS ALSO NEW TO HER ROLE BECAUSE THEIR JOB IS TO WORK WITH US AND TO LISTEN TO US AND STOP THINGS LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, THAT'S A PATTERN. THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT A CLEANUP LIKE THAT HAS HAPPENED, AND IT'S PRODUCED THAT MUCH LITTER. HOPEFULLY IT'S THE LAST OR ONE OF THE LAST, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S KIND OF TOP OF MIND BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN YELLING ABOUT FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SEEING TO IT. I JUST I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. THIS IS A REALLY FUN JOB. I CAN'T BELIEVE I GET PAID TO DO THIS. IT'S I'M VERY LUCKY. I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. I'M GLAD THAT YOU THAT YOU ARE DOING THIS. AND WHEN I WAS ABLE TO VOLUNTEER WITH WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY AND THERE WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNREST AMONGST THE NEIGHBORS AROUND HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH CHANGE COMING. AND DO YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THAT BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIPS? IS THAT HELPING? AND MY SECOND QUESTION, WHEN YOU DID THE MARCH EAST COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE DID YOU GET FROM THE NEIGHBORS? HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU GET THE WORD OUT THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT? AND WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE HAVE YOU RECEIVED? YEAH, OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THE EAST SIDE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION QUESTION.
FIRST, THE SO THE WAY THAT WE APPROACHED IT, WE KNEW INTERNALLY THAT WE SHOULD DO WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING. WE NEEDED TO MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS OF EAST MCKINNEY BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE WERE MOVING INTO CITY HALL AND WE BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. WE STARTED PLANNING TO HAVE AN EVENT IN, I BELIEVE, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. WE WANTED TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION IN
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DECEMBER OR EARLY JANUARY TO BEFORE WE MOVED INTO CITY HALL, BECAUSE WE WANTED A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE RESIDENTS BEFORE WE WERE HERE AND BEFORE WE WERE SEEING ALL THAT CHANGE.UNFORTUNATELY, SCHEDULING DIDN'T WORK OUT AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DO IT IN THE DECEMBER TIME FRAME THAT WE WANTED, THE JANUARY TIME FRAME THAT WE DID SCHEDULE FOR GOT SNOWED OUT. AND SO THE NEXT OPTION THAT WE HAD WAS MARCH, I WILL SAY, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO KIND OF THE BIGGER COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. IN DECEMBER, WE DID ORGANIZE A SMALLER KIND OF FOCUSED CONVERSATION WITH THE MCKINNEY LEGACY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WHAT WE DID IS WE INVITED THEM, AND WE ASKED EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD TO INVITE 1 OR 2 OF THEIR NEIGHBORS THAT LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COME TO THIS, YOU KNOW, SMALL GROUP CONVERSATION SO WE CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON. SO THE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE FOCUSED ON UPDATING THEM ON WAS THE CITY HALL MOVE, THE ONGOING KIND OF CONSTRUCTION OF VIRGINIA, LOUISIANA AND GREEN AND THAT WHOLE AREA BACK THERE. WE ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE WHATELY PARK UPDATE. I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT. AND MAYBE THE OLD SETTLERS PARK PLAN AS WELL. BUT ANYWAYS, MY WHOLE POINT BEING THAT DECEMBER 1ST WAS MUCH SMALLER, MUCH MORE INTIMATE, AND WE HAD A TRUE MEGAN MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT TOO. WE HAD A TRUE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN OUR CITY LEADERSHIP AND RESIDENTS, WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO EXPRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND ACTUALLY ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS HEADING WEST ON LOUISIANA, TURNING SOUTH ONTO HIGHWAY FIVE, THERE WAS NO PROTECTED LEFT TURN. THERE WAS ONLY A GREEN LIGHT. AND SO PEOPLE WOULD GET STUCK AT LOUISIANA TRYING TO TURN BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PROTECTED TURN SIGNAL. THAT WAS ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT CONVERSATION IN DECEMBER. I DON'T THINK IT WAS A WEEK OR MAYBE TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE HAD A LIGHT PUT UP WITH A PROTECTED TURN SIGNAL, AND THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM THAT CONVERSATION. AND SO I THINK WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS CONCERNS WITH THAT KIND OF CARE AND QUICKNESS, IT GOES A LONG WAY TO HELPING BUILD TRUST IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO TO GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, IF I'M SEEING A CHANGE, YES, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S SLOW, BUT IT'S SURE. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT. I IT REALLY IS LIKE A JOY AND AN HONOR TO BE A PART OF IT ALL AND TO WITNESS A COMMUNITY HEALING.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE CONTINUOUS EFFORT. BUT I DO SEE CHANGE HAPPENING. AND MAYBE MEGAN CAN SPEAK TO THAT MORE SINCE SHE LIVES THERE. YOU KNOW, I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIASED, BUT I, I, I DO SEE THINGS GETTING BETTER. AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL JUST CONTINUE TO GET BETTER. THE MORE KIND OF EFFORT AND ATTENTION THAT WE PUT INTO MAINTAINING THIS OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION AND BUILDING A STRONG, HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. YEAH. A COUPLE THINGS. SO TELL ME ABOUT THIS HISTORIC MARKER PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE IMPLEMENTING. IS IT GOING TO BE PREDOMINANTLY FOR JUST THOSE HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT ARE ALREADY RECOGNIZED, OR WILL IT BE LIKE WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? SO LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF HOW WE GOT HERE. SO IN THAT HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY FROM 2023, THERE IS A LIST OF ABOUT NINE PROPERTIES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR TEXAS HISTORICAL MARKERS OR UNDERTOLD MARKERS. THE UNDERTOLD MARKER PROGRAM IS A SPECIAL KIND OF OFFSHOOT OF THE TEXAS HISTORIC MARKER PROGRAM, AND IT PRIORITIZES UNDERTOLD STORIES, MAYBE HISTORIES THAT ARE NOT AS COMMON OR WELL KNOWN. IT IS A MORE COMPETITIVE PROGRAM, BUT IT OFFERS KIND OF A HIGHER LEVEL OF RECOGNITION, IN MY OPINION. SO OF THAT LIST OF NINE PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR POTENTIAL UNDERTOLD MARKER STATUS, WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE NINE. AND IN THOSE TWO, NINE IN THOSE NINE OR THOSE TWO THAT I MENTIONED, THE 404 LINCOLN, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL HOLY FAMILY CHURCH AND SCHOOL, AND THEN 500 THROCKMORTON, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL DOTY HIGH SCHOOL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS VERY MUCH A PILOT PROJECT. AT THIS POINT. WE'RE TRYING TO COMBINE THE RECOMMENDATION OF LOOKING AT THOSE NINE PROPERTIES FOR UNDERTOLD MARKER DESIGNATION WITH THE PRIORITIZATION OF BLACK AND HISPANIC NEIGHBORHOODS FOR FURTHER RESEARCH. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A COMBINED EFFORT TO SEEK THOSE MARKERS. IT IS LIKE A CITY LED KIND OF PROJECT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY NEVER DONE. ANYONE
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WHO'S FAMILIAR, LIKE CITIES, DON'T TYPICALLY APPLY FOR HISTORIC MARKERS. USUALLY WE HAVE LIKE A HISTORIC COMMISSION OR SOME NONPROFIT GROUP THAT WILL DO THAT. AND THE COLLIN COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSION IS TYPICALLY THE ONES THAT APPLY FOR MARKERS HERE. SO VERY MUCH A PILOT PROJECT OF US APPLYING IT, APPLYING FOR IT ON THE CITY SIDE. AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND INVOLVE THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO TO GET BACK TO THE ROOT OF YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE ANYTHING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. CASSIE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE THOROUGHLY, BUT IF I MISSED ANYTHING, YEAH, THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL SAY IS THAT THE HISTORIC MARKER PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE LOCALLY IS ABOUT OUR PROGRAM. IT'S ALL RELATED TO THAT. WHAT TORI IS MENTIONING WITH THE UNDERTOLD MARKERS IS ACTUALLY AN OFFSHOOT OF THE SUBJECT MARKERS THAT ARE DONE THROUGH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM LIKE A RECORDED TEXAS LANDMARK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT THE SUBJECT MARKERS THEMSELVES. SO YEAH, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION THERE. THC ORIENTED. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD TO THAT. MARCIA, SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD TO THAT.THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT WAS IN THAT MEETING THAT WE JUST APPROVED THE MINUTES FOR FROM LAST MAY, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT HOW AND I REMEMBER I BROUGHT THIS UP AND PATRICK WAS TALKING ABOUT ABOUT THE EAST SIDE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC AREAS. AND I HAD BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION OF HOW DO WE GET A MARKER FOR A LANDMARK LIKE THE CHURCH OR LIKE DOTY BECAUSE THOSE ARE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS, SPACES AND. THERE AT RISK, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A SPACE.
THEY WANT TO APPROACH IT AND DO WHAT THEY CAN WITH IT. AND SO IT'S PRETTY COOL A YEAR LATER TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE WORKS TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT. BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE WE JUST DID THOSE MEETING MINUTES AND THAT WAS A YEAR AGO. FULL CIRCLE MOMENT. YEAH. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. THANK YOU. I WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THE CULTURAL AWARENESS SERIES THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA. AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, LIKE, THE PUBLIC COULD BE INVOLVED OR COULD THE BOARD, I MEAN, COULD WE SEE A PRESENTATION ON THAT OR, OR ATTEND ONE OF THEM? I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT AGAIN, MARCIA. IT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS THAT, IF NOT MY FAVORITE THING THAT I'VE DONE SINCE BEING WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, MAYBE WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT OUR CALENDAR TO TRY AND DO MORE PRESENTATIONS. LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THIS PRESENTATION, WE DID A BLACK HISTORY OF MCKINNEY PRESENTATION EARLY LAST YEAR THAT WAS VERY, VERY WELL ATTENDED. WE ALSO DID A HISPANIC HERITAGE OF MCKINNEY FOR HISPANIC HISTORY MONTH OR HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, AND THAT THAT ONE WAS ALSO PRETTY WELL ATTENDED. SO WE HAD TO PUT A HOLD ON DOING AS MUCH KIND OF PROGRAMS OUTSIDE BECAUSE WE WERE SHORT STAFFED FOR A LITTLE BIT.
NOW THAT WE ARE PROPERLY STAFFED AND KIND OF GETTING BACK INTO THINGS, WE ARE LOOKING AT SCHEDULING MORE KIND OF EDUCATION PROGRAMS LIKE THAT, AND SO I WILL DEFINITELY PUT IT ON MY LIST OF POTENTIAL PRESENTATIONS, BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY FUN TO DO, AND I WOULD LOVE TO DO ANOTHER ONE. SO IF WE DO GET THAT SCHEDULED, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF Y'ALL RECEIVE AN INVITE. ALRIGHT, GREAT. I'D ALSO LOVE A TOUR, BUT MY SECOND QUESTION IS THAT YOU MENTIONED THE EAST MCKINNEY PRESERVATION PLAN. DOES IT LIVE SOMEWHERE DIGITALLY THAT WE COULD ACCESS OR TAKE A LOOK AT? YES, MA'AM. YES. SO IF YOU GO TO THE MCKINNEY, TEXAS WEBSITE, JUST THE REGULAR WEBSITE, THERE IS A LITTLE ICON ON THE FAR RIGHT, RIGHT AT THE TOP THAT SAYS EAST MCKINNEY. AND IF YOU CLICK THAT BUTTON THAT HAS ALL OF OUR KIND OF PLANS AND STUDIES RELATED TO MCKINNEY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION PLAN WILL BE IN THERE, AS WELL AS A BUNCH OF LINKS TO VIDEOS OF PRESENTATIONS THAT OUR CONSULTANT GAVE DURING THE PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER THAT PLAN AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS. IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION.
GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE SO WELCOME. I JUST WANT TO SAY, GOD, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO
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SAY AS MANY AMAZING THINGS ABOUT TORRY AS I WANT TO. WE ARE SO THANKFUL TO HAVE YOU, AND YOU DID AN AMAZING PRESENTATION. IT BARELY SCRATCHES THE SURFACE OF WHAT TORRY DOES. THE MCKINNEY LEGACY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION EXISTS BECAUSE OF A. PROJECT THAT WAS DONE WITH THE CITY AND OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATION COMMUNICATION. SOMETHING IN PARK IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW. AND WE WORK REALLY, REALLY CLOSELY WITH A LOT OF CITY STAFF. AND SINCE TORRY CAME ON IN LATE 2023, SHE'S ALWAYS LISTENING. AND I THINK SOMETHING I WROTE DOWN HERE THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS THE COMMUNITY CENTERED QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASK WHENEVER THERE'S ANY KIND OF PLANNING PROJECT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, COMING UP. AND THAT TO ME JUST SPEAKS TO TORRY AND HER ROLE AND HER PURPOSE HERE BECAUSE IT IS IT'S COMMUNITY CENTERED. EVERYTHING YOU DO AND EVERYTHING YOUR DEPARTMENT DOES NOW HAS. THE COMMUNITY AT THE FOREFRONT. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT US BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY DECISION OR DO ANYTHING. AND I JUST THAT'S SO VALUABLE FOR A COMMUNITY THAT HAS GONE SO LONG BEING UNHEARD. AND I COULD CRY. SO I'M NOT I'M GOING TO STOP, BUT I JUST I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR TORRY. AND I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO, LIKE, JUST PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT SHE'S DOING AND TRY AND LEARN MORE FROM HER. I THINK CONTINUING DOING THOSE CULTURAL AWARENESS PRESENTATIONS AND MAKING THEM PUBLIC AND BRINGING THEM IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, THAT WAS SO IMPACTFUL. AND YOU HAD BARELY BEEN HERE FOR LIKE A FEW MONTHS WHEN YOU DID THAT. AND THAT'S JUST IT'S MEANINGFUL AND KEEP DOING IT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU TORI, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
YOUR EDUCATION OF US MAYBE NOT MEGAN, BUT THE REST OF US. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON
[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Ceilidh Charleson-Jennings for Approval of a Historic Marker Level Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption (Level I) for the Property Located at 604 W Heard Street.]
TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. THE FIRST ITEM IS NUMBER HP 200 2025 0035. CONSIDER, DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY C CARLSON JENNINGS FOR APPROVAL OF HISTORIC MARKER LEVEL. HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION LEVEL ONE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 604 WEST THIRD STREET ARENA, ALLEN WILL MAKE THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. LET ME JUST HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT NAME. IT'S KALEY. I HAD TO ASK AS WELL. ACTUALLY, IT'S A IT'S A CELTIC NAME, SO JUST I AS SOON AS YOU SAID THAT I WENT. YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S CELTIC SO YEAH. SO THIS EVENING I'M GOING TO BE BRINGING FORWARD THE MARKER LEVEL ONE APPLICATION FOR 604 WEST THIRD STREET. THIS IS THE TORKINGTON WILSON HOME. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1895. IT HAS WOOD FRAME ON PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION, WOOD CLADDING AND SHINGLES, WOOD SASH WINDOWS AND A POLYCHROMATIC COLOR SCHEME BOTH HISTORICALLY AND CURRENTLY. IT'S IN THE QUEEN ANNE VICTORIAN STYLE, AND IT DOES HOLD A HIGH PRIORITY RATING. THE HIGH PRIORITY RATING MEANS THAT IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS. IT'S AN OUTSTANDING OR UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING OR CRAFTED DESIGN AND RETAINS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER AND CONTENT AND CONTEXTUAL INTEGRITY, AND THE CRITERIA FOR THE LEVEL ONE HISTORICAL MARKER INCENTIVE ARE AS FOLLOWS. THE PROPERTY IS RECEIVED A HISTORIC MARKER DESIGNATION PURSUANT TO THE HISTORIC MARKER PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS, AND IT DID RECEIVE THAT MARKER ON MAY 5TH OF 2022, AND IT ALSO REQUIRES A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $10,000 IN BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY, AND HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED WITHIN THE LAST THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS OF THE INCENTIVE REQUEST. AND SO THE ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT WAS ROOF REPAIRS, PLUMBING, SIDING, CUSTOM DOOR AND PORCH REPAIRS, AND IT TOTALED OVER $14,944 FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. AND THIS IS THE[00:50:09]
HOUSE CURRENTLY, AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUESTS BY HOMEOWNERS AND FOUND THAT IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROGRAM, AND IT CARRIES A 100% TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE CITY AD VALOREM TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RENA? NO, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU SAID IT RECEIVED THE MARKER IN 2022. YES. BUT THEY SO THEY GOT APPROVAL AT THAT TIME FOR THE MARKER FROM THE BOARD. YES. BUT THEY DIDN'T APPLY FOR THE APPARENTLY THERE WAS IT WAS RIGHT AT THE TRANSITION OF WHEN THE PROGRAM ACTUALLY CHANGED. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED. I THINK THAT THERE WAS MAYBE SOME MISCOMMUNICATION. THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE RECEIVING THE INCENTIVE AT THAT TIME, BUT THE PROGRAM HAD CHANGED. SO THEY HAVE SINCE DONE THE ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE HOUSE, AND THEY'RE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR THAT BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THE THREE YEARS. OKAY. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. GOT A MOTION BY BETTY AND A SECOND BY CARRIE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS. LOOKS LIKE THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
CONGRATULATIONS. THAT'S FANTASTIC. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO TRY AND PRONOUNCE HER NAME AGAIN, AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. KAYLEE. KAYLEE. THAT'S GREAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE ARE THE ARE THE HOMEOWNERS HERE TONIGHT? SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT THIS EVENING. WELL IT
[Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Owner Brian Miller for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the Rehabilitation of the Residential Structure Located at 401 N Bradley Street.]
WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HEARD FROM HIM. ALL RIGHT. WELL LET'S SEE LET'S MOVE ON TO. THE NEXT ITEM. AND THAT IS ITEM NUMBER HP 2025 0028. CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY OWNER BRIAN MILLER FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE REHABILITATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 401 NORTH BRADLEY STREET. OH, YOU'RE STILL HERE? I'M STILL HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 401 NORTH BRADLEY. THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE THIS EVENING, AND THEY DO WISH TO MAKE A PRESENTATION FOLLOWING THIS ONE ON APRIL 15TH, 2025, STAFF RECEIVED THE ORIGINAL PLANS FOR THE PROJECT AND THEN MET WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ON MAY 7TH, 2025, WHERE THE DECISION WAS MADE TO BRING THE APPLICATION BEFORE THE BOARD. THOSE PLANS ARE THE ONES THAT YOU RECEIVED WITH THE AGENDA, BUT AS THE HOMEOWNERS WERE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THOSE PLANS ENGINEERED, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE ROOF PITCH. SO THEY REDID THOSE. SO THE PROJECT THAT I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING IN THE SLIDES TONIGHT DO REFLECT THAT CHANGE. HOWEVER, YOU DO HAVE COPIES OF THAT THAT WERE THAT WERE FORWARDED TO YOU THIS EVENING. AND THERE WE GO. SO THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN CIRCA 1900. IT'S IN THE FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE WOOD SIDING, PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION, AND IT DOES HOLD A MEDIUM PRIORITY RATING. ACCORDING TO THE 2023 HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY, MEDIUM PRIORITY MEANS THAT IT CONTRIBUTES TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS, BUT ALTERATIONS HAVE DIMINISHED ITS INTEGRITY. SO THIS PHOTO RIGHT HERE. SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT THE PLANS. AND THAT IS ACTUALLY THE INCORRECT PLAN. SO IT'S THE EXISTING FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THOSE ELEVATIONS. THOSE WERE NOT THE CORRECT ELEVATIONS. THERE WE GO. THAT'S THE REAR. SO ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT CORRECT EITHER. SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL. SLIDESHOW THAT YOU GUYS RECEIVED. IT'S CHANGED SINCE THEN. YES. IT DID CHANGE SINCE THEN BECAUSE OF THE ROOF PITCH. THEY HAD TO RAISE IT UP. SO IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THAT. AND AGAIN YOU GUYS WERE FORWARDED ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO YOU SHOULD YOU[00:55:03]
SHOULD HAVE THEM. AND THEN THE HOMEOWNERS I BELIEVE ARE GOING TO BE SHOWING THOSE AS WHAT WE LOOKED AT FROM THE ORIGINAL RECEIVED LAST WEEK. YES. OKAY. THESE ARE DIFFERENT. HOW ABOUT THE STAFF PRESENTATION? WAS THAT THAT'S THE SAME. THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGED WAS JUST THE ELEVATIONS. BUT THE STAFF PRESENTATION IS THE SAME OKAY. ANY IDEA WHY WE'RE CALLING YOU? I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO BE HERE, BUT I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO BE HERE. BUT. SHE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT KAREN ALSO. AND I KNOW YOUR HOUSE HAD LONGER. YEAH, NO, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T MEAN TO. YEAH. DRAG YOU INTO THAT. NO NO, NO, IT WAS FINE. I DIDN'T.ALL RIGHT. THERE WE GO. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH THAT. SO THESE ARE THE UPDATED PLANS. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DORMERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROPOSED FOR THE TOP OF THE HOUSE, THEY ARE LARGER THAN THE ORIGINALS THAT YOU SAW. AND YOU CAN SEE THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT. I CHOSE THAT PHOTO JUST BECAUSE OF THE TREE CANOPY. IT'S EASIER TO SEE ON THIS ONE AND THEN THE 2024 PICTURE, BUT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE THIS. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATION CHANGE OF THE HOUSE WITH THE ADDITION OF THOSE DORMERS. THIS IS THE LEFT ELEVATION. YOU CAN SEE THE BOTTOM PHOTO IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN THE TOP PORTION IS THE ELEVATIONS WITH THE PROPOSED DORMERS ADDED. IT'S PRETTY BIG. THIS IT'S THE FRONT. BUT I WAS TRYING TO THIS IS THE ONLY PICTURE THAT I COULD GET OF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE TO GO ALONG WITH THE RIGHT ELEVATION, WHICH IS UP THERE ON THE TOP. THOSE ARE ALSO THE PROPOSED DORMERS FOR THAT SIDE. AND THEN THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THIS ONE THE PROPOSED ELEVATION CHANGES FROM THE REAR AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE. THESE ARE THE FLOOR PLANS. SO AT THE TOP YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED CHANGES. ON THE BOTTOM ARE WHAT THE CHANGES CURRENTLY LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE ELEVATION ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE. THERE IS SOME CHANGE, BUT THOSE DON'T CHANGE REALLY. THE FENESTRATION OF THE WINDOWS AND DOORS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR. SO ON THE RIGHT YOU HAVE THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN FOR THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN ON THE LEFT ARE THE PROPOSED CHANGES. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. AND THEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL WOULD BE ON REMOVING THE TWO SHED DORMERS FROM THE SCOPE OF WORK. IN STAFF'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THE PROPOSED DESIGN DOES NOT MEET STANDARDS TWO, NINE AND TEN OF THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE RIGHT THERE ON THE SCREEN. SO STANDARD TWO STATES, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF A PROPERTY SHALL BE RETAINED AND PRESERVED. THE REMOVAL OF HISTORIC MATERIALS OR ALTERATIONS OF FEATURES AND SPACES THAT CHARACTERIZE A PROPERTY SHALL BE AVOIDED. IN THIS CASE, THE CHANGES ALTERS THE ROOF LINE OF A HISTORIC STRUCTURE BY ADDING LARGE MODERN SHED DORMERS TO BOTH SIDES.
STANDARD NINE STATES, NEW ADDITIONS, EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS, OR RELATED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHALL NOT DESTROY HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT CHARACTERIZE THE PROPERTY. THE NEW WORK SHALL BE
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DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE OLD AND SHALL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MASSING, SIZE, SCALE, AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS ENVIRONMENT. IN THIS CASE, WE FEEL THAT IT DESTROYS THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN STANDARD TEN STATES THAT NEW ADDITIONS AND ADJACENT OR RELATED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE UNDERTAKEN IN SUCH A MANNER THAT, IF REMOVED IN THE FUTURE, THE ESSENTIAL FORM AND INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTY AND ITS ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE UNIMPAIRED, AND IN THIS CASE THE NEW DORMERS WOULD REQUIRE ALTERATIONS THAT ARE NOT EASILY REVERSIBLE. THE BOARD HAS OPTIONS YOU CAN APPROVE. YOU CAN APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS YOU CAN DENY, OR YOU CAN ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY. AND THEN AFTER THE 90 DAY DELAY, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WOULD BE ISSUED. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. RAYNA. QUESTIONS. RAYNA. ALL RIGHT. I'LL ASK. SO UNDER WHAT? YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING I DIDN'T, IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO EVEN REALIZE IT WAS A SECOND STORY WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, OR THERE WAS A SECOND STORY. BUT REALLY, FUNCTIONALLY, THEY'RE ADDING THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WANTING TO ADD ENOUGH SPACE UPSTAIRS TO MAKE IT MORE REASONABLE AND MORE USABLE. OR IS THERE ANY ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT WOULD BE AMENABLE FROM A HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDPOINT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO, IN SOME WAY, ARCHITECTURALLY DEVELOP WHAT THEY WANT UPSTAIRS? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING ON MAY 7TH WAS BECAUSE THE RIGHT SIDE DOES CURRENTLY HAVE A DORMER, WOULD BE TO EXTEND THAT ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SO A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPROMISE BY ADDING BOTH IN SUCH LARGE ONES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STRUCTURE REALLY CHANGES THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. SO IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING. SO FUNDAMENTALLY, I MEAN, TO MAKE THAT SPACE USABLE. RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL CLOSET SPACE. SO THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET THERE IS TO ESSENTIALLY EXPAND THE ROOF LINE. AND THAT DORMER, IF YOU WILL, WIDTH WISE TO MAKE IT USABLE. BUT ANYTHING THEY DID ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARD. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I SEE. TELL ME IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS INCORRECTLY, BUT THE EXISTING SECOND FLOOR HAS TWO BEDROOMS AND A BATHROOM UPSTAIRS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES. IT HAS AN A GAME ROOM AND A COUPLE CLOSETS. I WAS JUST CHECKING BECAUSE YOU SAID CLOSETS. AND SO THE PROPOSED PLAN WOULD ADD A BEDROOM AND A BATHROOM. YES.WHAT I SEE. OKAY. I'D ADD TWO BATHROOMS, ACTUALLY, I THINK. NO, JUST ONE BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY INCREMENTAL. YEAH. JUST ONE. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CLADDING. LIKE WHAT MATERIAL IS BEING USED FOR THE ADDITION. THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE. THEY CAN PROBABLY SPEAK MORE TO THAT. BUT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE HARDIE BOARD OR THE SAME, THE SAME TYPE OF SIDING THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED SO THAT IT MATCHES, AT LEAST IN THAT ASPECT, IS THE CURRENT CLADDING WOULD. OKAY. YEAH, OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I ALSO HAD A QUESTION IN ONE OF THE PICTURES. I COULDN'T SEE IT VERY WELL, BUT THERE'S A WIRE FENCE AND I DROVE BY THIS AFTERNOON AND I COULDN'T. THERE IT IS KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM. I COULDN'T SEE IT ANYMORE OR I COULDN'T SEE IT THIS AFTERNOON. AND I JUST WOULD LIKE A LITTLE INFORMATION ON THAT. I MEAN, TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE A VICTORIAN FENCE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THAT OLD, BUT THEY'RE INCREASINGLY RARE. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT. HOW OLD WAS IT THAT I'M NOT SURE. IN THIS PICTURE IS FROM 2022. SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT OLDER OF A PHOTOGRAPH. BUT THE REASON WHY I CHOSE THIS ONE IS BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO SEE THE SIDE WITHOUT ALL OF THE FOLIAGE IN THE PICTURE, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE FENCE BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO LET'S SAY THAT THE BOARD DISAGREES WITH STAFF AND DECIDES TO APPROVE THEIR WOOD. THAT WE THEN I MEAN THE OUTCOME WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THAT THE HOME WOULD NO LONGER BE A MEDIUM CLASSIFICATION OR IT WOULD
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BECOME A LOW PRIORITY CLASSIFICATION OR SOMETHING ELSE. IS THAT CORRECT? IN STAFF'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION? MOST LIKELY, YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. IT'S A MEDIUM NOW BECAUSE OF ALTERATIONS. DO WE KNOW WHAT WHAT MADE THIS HOUSE? AT ONE POINT IT WAS HIGH. WHAT WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS HOUSE? THERE HAVE BEEN ADDITIONS ADDED TO THE BACK OF IT. THE DORMER THAT'S ON THE CURRENTLY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. I COULD NOT FIND ANY INFORMATION AS TO WHEN THAT WAS ADDED. WHAT I HAVE NOTICED IN DOING SOME RESEARCH THIS MORNING, A LOT OF THE DORMERS ON THE HOUSES WERE ADDED PRIOR TO 1985, SO LONG BEFORE THE. THIS SURVEYS, THE ORIGINAL SURVEYS AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE BOARD AND THE DISTRICT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT I COULD NOT FIND A SPECIFIC DATE FOR THIS ONE. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE WERE ADDITIONS ADDED TO THE BACK OF THIS HOUSE, WHICH WAS PROBABLY WHAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE LOWER RATING. SO THERE'S REALLY THERE'S NOT ANY TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT WOULD MEET WITH THE GUIDELINES. IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO DO THIS, BUT THEY PUT LET'S SAY THEY PUT TWO GABLES, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS, THAT MIMICKING WHAT THEY HAVE, ALTHOUGH IT WOULDN'T BE FUNCTIONALLY THE SAME. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND IF THERE'S ANY MIDDLE GROUND. RIGHT. YEAH. NO, I UNDERSTAND AND IT WOULD STILL THE HEART OF THE ISSUE IS CHANGING THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THAT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, NO MATTER HOW MINOR. THAT'S SENSIBLE. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE. WOULD THEY ARE WE WILLING TO GIVE WAY SO THEY CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT? MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, I'M NOT A HOMEOWNER. I'M THE DESIGNER. BUT I'M JUST GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ABOUT THIS HOUSE HERE AND WHAT OUR INTENTIONS ARE ON THE HOUSE. SO TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF MY BACKGROUND, I'VE BEEN DESIGNING HOUSES FOR 33 YEARS AND I'VE DESIGNED IN MCKINNEY ALONE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, ABOUT 120 HISTORIC REMODELS OR ADDITIONS OR WHATEVER. SO THIS ISN'T NEW TO ME. I, I HAVE A PASSION FOR ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, THE PERIOD OF HOMES THAT ARE THAT ARE, ARE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THROUGH HERE. SO I TAKE WHAT I DO REALLY SERIOUSLY. SO SOME OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT THE LEFT RIGHT ARROW IS UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING HERE. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO ON THIS HOUSE, THIS HOUSE IS AS MUCH AS WE KNOW IT WAS BUILT SOMETIME BEFORE 1902.WE KNOW THIS. AND WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. AND IT SHOWS THE SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAP FROM 1902. IT WAS ALREADY THERE IN THIS LOCATION. IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL UP THAT PARTICULAR. THE OTHER ONE IS CALLED I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED HISTORIC BOARD WAS THE ONE THAT KELLY MILLER SUBMITTED. IF WE COULD PULL THAT ONE UP, THERE'S THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN IT THAT I THINK MAY BE PERTINENT TO THE DISCUSSION. I THINK IT'S CALLED HISTORIC BOARD. HFPA MEETING. THE FIRST PAGE OF IT HAS A SANBORN MAP. AND I GUESS FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS MARK MCREYNOLDS. I LIVE AT 218 UNIVERSITY AVE IN WAXAHACHIE. AFTER.
THERE WE GO. SO THERE'S A LITTLE RED THING. OF COURSE. NOW IT'S THAT SHOWING. OH, HERE WE GO. SO HERE, HOW DO I GET THE RED ARROW UP HERE. YOU'LL HAVE TO DRAW ONTO THE ACTUAL SCREEN USING
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YOUR FINGER. OH MY FINGER OKAY. SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE HOUSE. THAT WAS IT. ITS APPEARANCE IN 1902. IT REMAINED THAT SHAPE UNTIL THE NEXT SOMETIME BETWEEN THIS TIME PERIOD AND 1920, WHEN IT BECAME MORE OF A RECTANGLE. BUT EXCUSE ME, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'S AN L-SHAPED PROPERTY, OR IT'S AN L-SHAPED HOUSE. IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE ALONG THE BACK PORTION WAS ACTUALLY POSSIBLY A PORCH. I'M NOT REALLY SURE, BUT YOU CAN SEE ON THE BRADLEY STREET SIDE THAT THE SHAPE THAT IS ON THIS MAP IS THE SHAPE THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. SO SOMETIME BETWEEN 1902 AND 1920, THE ADDITION ON THE FIRST FLOOR WAS WAS PUT ONTO THE HOUSE. NOT SURE WHEN. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NOW CAN WE. SORRY. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION ONE. IS IT YOUR VIEW THAT POTENTIALLY THAT WAS WHEN THEY PUT ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS WELL? I BELIEVE THAT WAS ACTUALLY AFTER THAT TIME PERIOD. OKAY. AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHY WHEN WE WHEN WE SEE THE PRESENTATION, YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO STAFF'S PRESENTATION. YES PLEASE. PERFECT. THANK YOU.SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE MAIN PORTION OF THE HOUSE RIGHT HERE GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY LESSON WITH HOUSES OF THIS TIME PERIOD. THIS HOUSE HAS AN 11 FOOT CEILING ON THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS TYPICALLY COMMON IN HOUSES BUILT AT 1900, OR JUST BEFORE OR JUST AFTER IT. SO WE HAVE THAT. WHAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSES BUILT AT THIS TIME PERIOD IS THAT PITCH OF ROOF. THAT'S A VERY LOW PITCHED ROOF. TYPICALLY, HOUSES OF THIS TIME PERIOD WOULD HAVE HAD A MORE OF A 45 DEGREE ANGLE PITCH, OR WHAT WE CALL 1212 SLOPE. IN ARCHITECTURAL JARGON, THIS ONE IS LOWER THAN THAT. IT'S ABOUT HALF. SO THIS ROOF DESIGN ITSELF BASED ON BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AS A DESIGNER AND WORKING WITH HISTORIC HOMES, THE EXISTING ROOF THAT'S ON HERE IS NOT EVEN THE ORIGINAL ROOF TO THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE HOUSE ITSELF. NOW, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION. I'M NOT CERTAIN WHEN THAT SECOND FLOOR ADDITION HAPPENED, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FLOOR PLANS, IT'S ALL. EVERYTHING IS TUCKED UNDERNEATH THE ROOF. SO YOU'VE GOT THE CLOSETS THAT COME DOWN. WHEN YOU WALK INTO THAT SPACE, YOU COME DOWN AND IT COMES DOWN TO LIKE TWO FEET TALL. IT'S USABLE IN THE CENTER OF THE ATTIC AND THE, THE BEDROOMS THAT ARE AT THE BACK CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE WINDOWS IN IT THAT ARE LEGAL EGRESS WINDOWS. SO PART OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WHEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DISCOVERED WHEN THEY HAD THE ENGINEERS COME OUT, THE MILLERS HAD TO HAVE ENGINEERS COME OUT TO DO THE FOUNDATION WORK BECAUSE IT WAS IN SUCH POOR, POOR CONDITION.
THEY'VE ALREADY HAD TO PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT AND MONEY JUST TO GET THE HOUSE STABLE. SO THEY'RE SERIOUS TOO, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING AS MUCH OF THIS HOUSE, THE HOUSE'S INTEGRITY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. SO WHEN THE ENGINEERS CAME OUT, THEY DID AN EXAMINATION OF THE ROOF, AND THEY DISCOVERED THAT A LOT OF THE ROOF FRAMING MEMBERS ARE NOT IN GOOD WORKING CONDITION. AND SO WITH KNOWING THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE APART THE ROOF ANYWAY IN ORDER TO REFRAME IT, WE'RE LIKE, WELL, LET'S MAKE IT SO THAT THE SPACES ARE ACTUALLY USABLE UPSTAIRS. THIS HOUSE HAS REALLY BEEN A HODGEPODGE OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS OF ADDITIONS, AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT A MEDIUM DESIGNATION HAS BEEN MADE TO THIS, I ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT'S BEEN DONE SO ERRONEOUSLY. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE MANY CHANGES AND ADDITIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE PAST HUNDRED YEARS TO IT. SO WITH THE ADDITIONS ITSELF, ORIGINALLY THE PRESENTATION THAT CAME UP HAD SOME SHED DORMERS ON THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, WHICH WE WERE TRYING TO MAINTAIN AS LOW A PROFILE AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I AGREE. I MEAN, AS A PERSON WHO LOVES HISTORIC HOMES, I DON'T WANT TO JUST COME IN AND BLAST AND CHANGE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE THERE. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. AND I WANT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN AS
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MUCH OF THE INTEGRITY AS I CAN. BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN THE HOUSE ITSELF HAS BEEN CHANGED SO MANY TIMES OVER, SO MANY DECADES THAT I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL INTENT AND THE ORIGINAL INTEGRITY IS GONE. AND SO WITH THE COMBINATION OF THE DESIRED SPACE, DESIRED HEADROOM IN THE DESIRED SPACE, AND THE, THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE FRAMING MEMBERS NOT BEING ADEQUATE TO BE USED. TODAY, WE DECIDED TO COME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT LOOK BY HAVING THE GABLES ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND DOING THIS GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT, WELL, TO HAVE WINDOWS THAT ACTUALLY MET LEGAL EGRESS CODE FOR THE BEDROOMS. AND I ALSO TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE ROOF PITCHES OF THE ADDITION AND MATCH THEM AS CLOSELY AS I COULD TO WHAT IS EXISTING ON THE HOUSE ON THE FIRST LEVEL, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. SO A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT I WANTED TO GIVE. IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT LAST ONE THAT HAD THE SANBORN MAP ON IT, PLEASE. SO LET'S SEE. YOU SAY YOU JUST HIT UP AND DOWN.DOES THIS CLICK UP THROUGH SCROLL THROUGH THE PAGES OR HOW DOES THIS WORK? THE LEFT AND RIGHT. LEFT AND RIGHT DOES IT. OH OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A HOUSE THAT THE OWNERS TOOK A PICTURE OF WHERE THERE WAS AN ADDITION. I BELIEVE THE ADDITION IS FAIRLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE ITSELF. HERE'S YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A HOUSE WHERE THEY OR AT LEAST A GARAGE WHERE THE ATTEMPT BY THE DESIGNER WAS MADE TO TRY TO KEEP IT AS LOW PROFILE AS POSSIBLE. THIS HOUSE HERE HAS A DEFINITE ADDITION ON IT. YOU CAN TELL JUST BY LOOKING AT THIS LEFT SIDE. THROUGH HERE THAT THAT ROOF WOULD HAVE CONTINUED UP HIGHER ONTO THE ORIGINAL ROOF, AND THAT THE SECOND FLOOR IS AN ADDITION. AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THIS HOUSE HERE AGAIN HAS A AN ADDITION AT THE SECOND FLOOR. THIS HOUSE HAS A TASTEFUL ADDITION ON ON TOP OF IT, YET ANOTHER. WE HAVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF THESE HOUSES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE COME IN AND WE'VE THIS ONE I THINK ACTUALLY THE SECOND FLOOR, I THINK IT'S ORIGINAL. THIS WAS A HOUSE HERE. IT WAS ORIGINALLY A ONE STORY THAT WAS A DUPLEX, AND IT WAS CONVERTED INTO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. AND ALL ATTEMPTS WERE MADE TO BE AGAIN BE SYMPATHETIC TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, BECAUSE NOW IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. SO THIS HOUSE IS A HOUSE ACTUALLY, THAT I DESIGNED. SO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT THE WAY IT APPEARED WHEN I CAME TO IT WAS ABOVE. AND I WAS TOLD THAT AT THE TIME. WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD. SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO STICK TO IT BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BEYOND THAT 50 YEAR MARK, BUT YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS NO WAY THAT THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL DESIGN OR ORIGINAL METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION. SO WHAT OUR INTENT WAS AND WHAT WE DID WAS WHAT IS IN THE LOWER PHOTO AFTER. THAT'S MUCH MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THAT ERA OF HOME, THAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS PROBABLY BUILT IN THE 1880S, MAYBE EVEN AS EARLY AS THE LATE 1870S, JUST FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THE HOUSE AT THE TIME. SO WE TRY TO CHANGE IT SO THAT IT FELT MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THAT. THE ISSUE AND THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE ON, ON, ON THE MILLER'S HOME IS THAT THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF ANYTHING THAT'S ORIGINAL AT THIS POINT FOR US TO TRY TO BE SYMPATHETIC TO. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ONE FIX THE HOME SO THAT IT'S USABLE AND IN ITS CURRENT STATE. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INSIDE OF IT, BUT BUT IN ITS CURRENT STATE, IT'S BEEN GUTTED. IT'S NOT IN IT'S CERTAINLY NOT IN A LIVABLE CONDITION. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIX IT UP ON THE INSIDE, BUT ALSO BY MAKING SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR. WE'RE
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HOPING THAT IT IT DOES GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SIGNIFICANCE TO THE HOUSE ITSELF THAN THE HOUSE HAS RIGHT NOW. IT'LL NEVER GET BACK TO THE PRE 1900 LOOK, NOT WITHOUT COMPLETELY TEARING THE ROOF OFF AND COMPLETELY BUILDING IT. SO THE ORIGINAL ROOF. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE BOTTOM PICTURE HERE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ANGLE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE MILLER'S HOME. THAT WAS THE STANDARD ROOF STYLE AND PITCH ON HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT THAT THAT FOLK VICTORIAN HOME THAT WERE BUILT FROM THE LATE 1890S TO THE MID AUGHTS OF THE 1900S. AND, AND SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO COMPROMISE BY DOING THE LATEST DESIGN THAT WE HAVE, BY DOING A PITCH THAT MATCHES WHAT'S EXISTING OR COMES CLOSE TO EXISTING. IT'S STILL PLEASANT. IT STILL HAS THE SAME SIDING, OR IT WOULD HAVE SIDING THAT'S ON THE HOUSE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE SO OBTRUSIVE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO MAKE IT USABLE. AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS KIND OF OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IN THAT THERE ARE JUST SO MANY BAD CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS HOUSE FOR DECADES. AND WE'RE COMING ON TO THAT IN THE TAIL END OF ALL THIS. AND SO, IN SHORT, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR YOU TO APPROVE OUR DESIGN AND LET US MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR IT. SO IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I KNOW I THREW A LOT AT YOU. MOST PEOPLE AREN'T IN ARCHITECTURE HISTORY, AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF YOU LIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN SECTION. AND SO YOU SEE THE THINGS IN YOUR IN YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT. BUT BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE AS MUCH AS I COULD BECAUSE BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT THIS WILL BE I THINK IT'LL BENEFIT THE HOUSE ITSELF BY MAKING THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE TO IT. SO IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. HERE AM I THANK YOU QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION MORE FOR CASSIE. I THINK THESE EXAMPLES THAT HE'S GOT IN IN HIS SLIDES, DO WE HAVE RECORDS OR HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THIS BEFORE IN ORDER TO HAVE TO HAVE SAID WHEN THOSE RENOVATIONS WERE MADE BECAUSE I KNOW IT HAS ON HERE, LIKE WHEN THEY WERE BUILT ORIGINALLY, BUT THEN THE CURRENT PHOTOS OBVIOUSLY ARE DIFFERENT. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA OF THAT? YEAH. SO WE RECEIVED THEIR UPDATED MATERIALS THIS MORNING AND RAINA ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH AND TRIED TO DATE AS MANY AS WE COULD. IT APPEARED THAT A LOT OF THEM HAPPENED BEFORE THE 19 PHOTOS WERE TAKEN AND THAT SURVEY. SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD GUESSTIMATE. SHE ALSO LOOKED UP THE PRIORITY RATING OF MOST OF THESE HOMES, WHICH ARE MOST OF THEM ARE MEDIUM OR LOW. BUT THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION WE REALLY HAVE ON ANY OF THEM. DO WE KNOW WERE THEY MEDIUM OR LOW BEFORE THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE? SO SINCE THE FIRST SURVEY WAS IN 85 AND THEY STARTED WITH THOSE CHANGES, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OKAY. ANY RECORDS? OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. MARSHA, BACK TO MATERIALS. OH, SURE. OH, AND DID YOU ASK ABOUT THE FENCE? WHO ASKED ABOUT THE FENCE? THE CLADDING. SO CALLIE HAD MENTIONED IT TO ME THAT THE FENCE IS ACTUALLY BEING STORED, BUT SHE BELIEVES THAT IT WAS INSTALLED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ORIGINAL TO IT, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE STORING IT WHILE THEY'RE DOING ALL OF THE FOUNDATION WORK. AND THERE'S A LOT OF GRADING WORK. IT'S LIKE IT WAS LIKE A POOL UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE. WATER JUST SAT, SO THEY HAD TO GET SOME THINGS OUT OF THE WAY TO FOR ACCESS. YEAH. WELL, I ALSO BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CLADDING, THE MATERIAL, AND I ADMIT I'M NOT A FAN OF HARDIE BOARD, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S USED SO FREQUENTLY. WOULD THERE BE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR USING WOOD JUST FOR THE FRONT FACADE, JUST SO THAT FROM THE STREET VIEW STREET VIEW, IT WOULD STILL HAVE THE HISTORIC MATERIALS OR BE REPLACED IN KIND, AND THEN ALLOW HARDIE BOARD ON THE SIDE AND REAR, WOULD THAT EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION? WELL, I WE CAN ASK THEM, BUT THE ONE THING ABOUT HARDIE BOARD THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T INSTALLERS DON'T DO FOR SOME REASON, THEY DON'T JUST FLIP IT OVER TO THE SMOOTH SIDE. THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO HARDIE AND THAT COULD EASILY BE, YOU KNOW, THE SMOOTH SIDE DESIGNATED. AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S IN MORE KEEPING WITH THE[01:25:02]
ACTUAL STYLE OF, OF THE HOUSE ITSELF BECAUSE IT'S WHETHER IT'S THAT, YOU KNOW HARDIE BOARD SMOOTH OR IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, WOOD, WOOD IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE, I REALIZE THAT.YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, CYPRESS OR WHATEVER. AND, BUT AND HARDIE'S GOING TO LAST A LOT LONGER. BUT AGAIN YOU KNOW AND YOU CAN SPACE HARDIE SIDING SO THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S CLOSER IN, IN IN HEIGHT TO WHAT'S EXISTING. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING THAT, THAT THE MILLERS WOULD, YOU KNOW, SAY, OH NO, NO, WE WANT THE, THE CEDAR MILL SIDING. THAT LOOKS LIKE FAKE WOOD. I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING THE FLAT SIDE OF THE WOOD. OKAY. SO PERSONALLY, I'D RATHER SEE THAT. CERTAINLY. NO, I TOTALLY AGREE. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE A COMMENT. I THINK THE DILEMMA WITH A HOME LIKE THIS, AND THIS IS ONE OF MANY THAT WE SEE, IS WHEN THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPROMISED, THEN THEN HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? AND HOW DO YOU SAY, WELL, THIS ADDITION ISN'T HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, BUT WHAT DOES IT MATCHING? YOU KNOW, IT IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT TO BEGIN WITH. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S A THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THE WAY THIS ONE IS, IS THAT THEY REMOVED EVERYTHING THAT WAS NOT FITTING AND PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE I THINK WE GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE. HOW MANY TIMES ARE WE GOING TO HEAR, WELL, YOU LET THEM DO THAT. AND YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YOU KNOW, MY SENSE HERE ON THIS IS THAT STAFF HAS ABSOLUTELY NO NO SPACE NOT TO COME UP WITH A CONCLUSIONS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY IT DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS TO NINE AND TEN. SO THEY REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE. THIS IS THIS IS WHAT THEIR POSITION HAS TO BE BASED ON WHERE THEY ARE. CERTAINLY. SO YOU KNOW, IT'S WISE ON Y'ALL'S PART TO COME BRING IT TO THE BOARD TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY LENIENCY. AS I SAID, THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. YOU KNOW, MY SENSE IS THAT, AS YOU POINTED OUT, IT'S CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE YEARS FROM WHAT ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS. PERSONALLY, I DO LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE DISTRICT FROM AN INVESTMENT STANDPOINT TO MAKE HOMES AS CLOSE TO MAINTAINING THEIR THEIR, YOU KNOW, A PRESERVATION STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO GIVING PEOPLE A PLACE THAT'S USABLE, AS IT WERE. RIGHT. BECAUSE CLEARLY THIS WAS ORIGINALLY JUST A, A CENTRAL A CENTRAL HALLWAY DOWN THE MIDDLE WITH EVERYTHING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF IT EXCEPT FOR THE LIVING ROOM. AND THEY ADDED A MASTER AND A ANOTHER HALLWAY ON THE SIDE THERE. SO.
RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IN NOT IN AN ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE ANYBODY, BUT I'M KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS OVERRULING OR GOING AGAINST WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDED, SIMPLY BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CONTINUE TO BE IMPROVED. AND WHERE YOU HAVE A POSITION THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS ISN'T EVEN MEDIUM, IT SHOULD BE LOW PRIORITY. AT LEAST WE'RE NOT TEARING IT DOWN. I'D HATE TO SEE THAT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL FEEL. I KIND OF WANTED TO COMMEND STAFF ON ON BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB AND THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU DO WANT TO SEE THESE HOMES STAY. YOU DON'T WANT TO WE DON'T WANT YOU TO TEAR IT DOWN.
AND WE WANT IT TO BE LIVABLE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK. YOU YOU KNOW, YOU. SO I'M I'M KIND OF THINKING THE SAME THING. I THINK MY CONCERN WITH THAT WAY OF THINKING IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS IN, IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED OR WE HAVE TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK OF IT AS IT IS AND THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME KIND OF MIDDLE GROUND. RIGHT? THOSE CAN'T BE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS. I'M NOT A ARCHITECT OR DESIGNER, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THAT WAY OF THINKING CAN BE RISKY IN WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING, WELL, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST APPROVE THESE CHANGES, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, GO AGAINST THESE STANDARDS BECAUSE AT LEAST IT'S NOT BEING DEMOLISHED. BUT WHY DO THOSE HAVE TO BE THE ONLY? THAT'S NOT
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MY BASIS. THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES. SURE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I, I DOUBT THEY WOULD GET APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO WE MIGHT HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THAT UNLESS IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND JURY CAN COMMENT ON THAT. RIGHT. SO NO, IT'S A GOOD POINT. I MEAN IT'S NOT A EITHER THIS OR NOTHING TYPE OF THING. BUT ANYWAY, I'VE MADE MY POSITION KNOWN. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COMMENT? WELL, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF SOMEBODY WOULD BE SO BOLD AS TO MAKE IT. I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. NO, THAT'S WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS. OKAY, THEN I'LL WITHDRAW MY. OKAY. SO I'LL. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT AS THE PROPOSED PLANS THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE HOMEOWNER. WOULD THAT BE WE DOES THAT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT WOULD BE APPROVAL WITHOUT CONDITIONS. RIGHT. WITHOUT CONDITION WITHOUT CONDITIONS. THANK YOU MEGAN. THANK YOU. MEGAN, IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND CARRIE SECONDS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. WELL, IT IS SPLIT 5050. THAT'S PRETTY EVEN. ALL RIGHT. I NEVER HAD THAT BEFORE. WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. MAYBE IF ONE OF US GOES TO THE BATHROOM OR SOMETHING, WE CAN REVOTE. DO WE NEED, I MEAN. WELL, LET'S HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION THEN. YEAH. SO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT WHAT WHAT YOUR THINKING IS. I THINK ALL JUST GO SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS BEFORE. WE'RE ALWAYS VERY COHESIVE AS A BOARD. SO THIS IS INTERESTING. BUT THAT LAST EXAMPLE THAT YOU DESIGNED YOURSELF, RIGHT. THE ONE ON 814 BARNS, I THINK JIMMY DON, YOU WERE THE ONE THAT MENTIONED THIS. YOU KNOW HOW THEY JUST REMOVED THE CHANGES THAT WERE NOT APPROPRIATE AND BROUGHT IT BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL STYLE? I THINK I IN MY LACK OF TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE, JUST HOPE OR WISH THAT THERE COULD BE A WAY FOR THIS HOME TO MAYBE BE BROUGHT BACK TO SOMETHING CLOSER TO ITS ORIGINAL FORM. I KNOW WE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THIS HOME HAS BEEN THERE'S BEEN SO MANY CHANGES MADE TO IT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ALL THAT. BUT DO WE JUST KEEP ADDING TO THOSE CHANGES MADE? RIGHT? THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU SAID THERE WERE SO MANY BAD CHANGES MADE, AND YOU'RE COMING IN ON THE TAIL END OF IT. IS THAT THEN YOU JUST KEEP ADDING TO THOSE CHANGES? OR DO YOU LOOK AT HOW DO I MAYBE REVERSE SOME OF THE DAMAGE DONE AND BRING SOMETHING BETTER THAT'S CLOSER TO WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN? WELL, I THINK TO TRY TO BRING IT WHAT IT TO CLOSER TO WHAT IT WOULD IT BE HAVE ORIGINALLY BEEN, WOULD BE TO REMOVE MORE THAN HALF OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S THERE NOW. AND WE ALL KNOW, I MEAN, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, THE MILLERS BOUGHT THE HOUSE AT A SQUARE FOOTAGE PRICE. NOW, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL. WELL, NOW YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY DONATE HALF OF YOUR, YOUR, YOUR INVESTMENT TO GET IT CLOSE TO SOMETHING THAT ECONOMICALLY, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO TRY TO TAKE THIS HOME, IN PARTICULAR BACK TO A POINT WHERE, YES, WE'RE ON THE MEDIUM OR WE'RE ON THE HIGH LEVEL OF ARCHITECTURAL WHATEVER THE TERMINOLOGY IS, I DON'T THINK IT CAN EVER GET THERE. AND SO THERE ARE SOME TIMES THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT YOU DO HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT YOU'VE[01:35:03]
GOT. YOU HAVE TO DO THE BEST WITH WHAT YOU CAN OR BEST THAT YOU CAN WITH IT. AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT TRYING TO DO HISTORICALLY ACCURATE DEPICTIONS, WHETHER IT'S AN ADDITION OR WHETHER IT'S A REMODEL. I'M I'M THERE. BUT I ALSO KNOW FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT AND FROM A. JUST PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT SOMETIMES THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU JUST CAN'T DO. AND THIS IS THIS IS NOT LUCKILY, THE CITY IS NOT FILLED WITH HOUSES LIKE THIS THAT HAVE SO MANY TERRIBLE ADDITIONS ON THEM THAT IT'S YOU CAN'T REALLY SAY, OH, THAT'S FROM THIS PERIOD OR THAT'S FROM THAT PERIOD, OR WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PERIOD. IT'S FROM THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES THROUGHOUT THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND EVEN BEYOND, BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF HISTORICAL HOMES THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE LEGAL DISTRICT THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY. THEY'RE IN TREMENDOUS CONDITION OR THEY ARE ARE ARE SO CLOSE TO THEIR ORIGINAL INTENT AND DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION THAT THAT THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. SO YES, DOES. WE'RE AT A 3 TO 3 VOTE. AND I HEARD YOU SAY WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS BEFORE. THIS IS A DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT THE BOARD EXISTS BECAUSE I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE DIRECTIVES THAT THE OFFICE HAS TOLD US. I'VE WORKED WITH GUY FOR 20 YEARS, PRACTICALLY ON, ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS, AND SOMETIMES HE AND I HAD DIFFERING OPINIONS. BUT IN THE END, WE ALWAYS HAD THE ONE COMMON GOAL OF WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE FOR THE STRUCTURE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHATEVER. I THINK THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WILL BE GOOD FOR THE HOME. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, TO TRY TO TURN THIS BACK INTO AN 1895, 12, 12 PITCH, YOU KNOW, STORY AND A HALF FOLK VICTORIAN COTTAGE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT DON'T COME INTO PLAY UNTIL YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE IT. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE COME IN HERE TRYING TO CHANGE. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T GO TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO REMODEL YOUR HOUSE. CORRECT. YOU ALSO HAD MENTIONED THAT IT WAS A DOLLAR ISSUE. AND WE'RE THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION AND WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO PRESERVE IT. AND MONEY IS NOT OUR ISSUE. CORRECT. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE IS A AN ECONOMIC COMPONENT TO IT. THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO COME HERE, AND THEY SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY TO FIX UP AND MAINTAIN THESE HOUSES THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL, THAT PEOPLE LOVE TO COME AND SEE AND TOUR. IF YOU CAN'T DO IT CORRECTLY, THEN YOU CAN'T DO IT. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE. BUT BUT I, I BEG TO DIFFER. I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY FAIR BECAUSE. IT'S, IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC CASE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY HOUSE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR ON A BLOCK OR ON A STREET. WE'RE TALKING ONE HOUSE THAT HAS HAD MANY ADDITIONS OVER THE YEARS, AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. AND, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, I THINK, IS ADVOCATING MAKING SIMILAR TO CHANGES TO OTHER HOUSES AS THEY COME IN THAT ARE ON THE BROWN STREETS. IT'S JUST THIS ONE HOUSE AND IT'S JUST IT'S IN SUCH BAD SHAPE. NOW AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE ARE COMING TO THE BOARD, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIT OF AN ANOMALY. I MEAN, I FRANKLY DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO. WE HAD ANOTHER VERSION WHERE WE TRY TO MAKE THINGS LESS CONSPICUOUS, LESS, YOU KNOW, MORE IN LINE WITH KEEPING A LOW PROFILE TO IT. BUT IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK GOOD. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THESE HOUSES ALSO HAVE TO LOOK GOOD BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO THEY DO HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND SELL THEM. AND SO BUT THAT'S NOT THEIR INTENT. THEIR INTENT IS TO LIVE HERE AND TO LIVE HERE AS LONG AS THEY CAN IN THE CITY AND MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, THEIR THEIR RELATIONSHIP HERE IN MCKINNEY.AND SO IT'S NOT A FLIP. WE'RE NOT DOING IT JUST TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TURN AND MAKE 150 GRAND OVERNIGHT. THIS IS GOING TO BE HER HOME. AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE HER HOME FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. AND SO SHE'S VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE TO IT. OTHERWISE, IF SHE WASN'T, WE COULD EASILY SLAP LIPSTICK ON A PIG. WE COULD GO IN THERE AND PAINT THE INSIDE. WE COULD PAINT THE OUTSIDE. YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, FIX THE BROKEN WINDOWS AND BE DONE WITH THAT. BUT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE THEY'RE WANTING TO INVEST THEIR TIME AND THEIR
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TREASURE TO LIVE IN THIS DISTRICT, TO BE SURROUNDED BY ALL OF THESE GREAT HOMES THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME DOWN AND NOT ONLY LIVE IN, BUT THEY WANT TO COME DOWN AND SEE. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THEIR BEST TO TAKE A HOUSE. THAT'S PROBABLY THE WORST HOUSE ON THE INTERSECTION, IF NOT THE BLOCK, AND DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT LOOK NICER. AND SO, SO YES, WE'VE GOT THE 3 TO 3 VOTE, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS A DIFFERENT IT'S A DIFFERENT BEAR. WE'RE WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT SOMETHING, LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION. AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ALL OF A SUDDEN IF WE SAY ONE THEN THEN EVERYBODY HAS TO FOLLOW THAT SAME THING. WELL BECAUSE WE DID IT HERE. BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE GIVEN THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THESE, THESE PROJECTS ONE BY ONE. AND THEY CAN SAY, REINA CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY KEEPING WITH THE STANDARDS. AND AT THAT PERSON, THE AT THAT POINT, THE APPLICANT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW YOUR FEEDBACK AND WE'LL GO WITH IT. BUT THEY ALSO ARE GIVEN THE OPTION IF THEY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED OUR BEST. THIS IS WHAT WE THINK THAT WE CAN DO. AND SO WE HAVE A BIT OF A, YOU KNOW, NOT LEEWAY, BUT WE HAVE A BIT OF A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT REVIEWED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE AND SAY, OKAY, LOOK, WE GET THIS IS KIND OF A ONE OFF. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ALL OF THE, THE, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ENTIRE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH APPROVING ONE HOME. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, WHERE THAT HOUSE IS LOCATED AND THIS AND THIS MAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, BECAUSE I USED TO LIVE ON COLLEGE STREET, I LIVED ONE BLOCK OVER AND JIMMY IS TOO.OKAY. SO THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, THEY ADDED, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ADDED ON TO THE BACK OF THAT HOUSE. CASSIE, DO YOU KNOW 21 OKAY. WHAT IS THAT HOUSE? WHAT'S THE PRIORITY OF THAT HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET? DO YOU KNOW IT'S ON THE. IT IS EAST, RIGHT. SO THE BURKE'S RIGHT. REDID IT AND CHANGED IT UP QUITE A BIT. RIGHT IN. WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE PRIORITY? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PRIORITY OF THAT HOUSE IS? IF YOU'LL GIVE ME ONE SECOND AN ADDRESS, I CAN LOOK IT UP. I DON'T KNOW THE ADDRESS. I JUST KNOW ON THIS CORNER THERE'S THAT HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET. AND THEN THERE'S THE ONE THAT'S CATTY CORNER THAT THEY THEY THAT ONE HAS BEEN ALTERED SOME QUITE A BIT. SO WHEN YOU SAY ACROSS THE STREET, DO YOU MEAN ACROSS LAMAR OR ACROSS BRADLEY? IT IS ON THE IT'S ON BRADLEY AND LAMAR AND IT'S THE LITTLE WHITE HOUSE.
THAT IS IT'S ON, IT'S ON. IT FACES BRADLEY ON THE CORNER OF BRADLEY AND MAMA. SO YOU GOT THE GREEN TWO STORY HOUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU GUYS. AND THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTH. OKAY I JUST SO DO WE KNOW I MEAN, IS OUR CONCERN THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THIS FROM BEING A MEDIUM PRIORITY WHEN WE KNOW THAT THIS HOUSE HAS ALREADY HAD ALTERATIONS? AND IF I REMEMBER THIS HOUSE, I WALKED BY THIS HOUSE ALL THE TIME. IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN. I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT'S GOING ON AT THAT HOUSE BEFORE THEY BOUGHT IT. I ALWAYS WONDERED, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS HOUSE? AND I LOVE THE HOUSE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK AS A BOARD THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND WE HAVE TO GET SOME SORT OF BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE WANT PEOPLE TO PUT MONEY INTO THESE HOUSES. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS COUPLE IS TRYING TO DO. THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT LIVABLE. AND BUT STILL IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME HISTORIC CHARACTER TO IT. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT MORE WHAT THEY NEED AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT MONEY INTO IT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT THIS IS GOING TO BE A NICE ADDITION.
AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, I COMMEND WHAT STAFF IS DOING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. BUT I THINK AS A BOARD WE HAVE TO LOOK AND WE HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO? SO I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT. I JUST WANT TO ADD SOME COMMENTS TO THAT AND TO EVERYTHING ELSE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PRESENTATION WITH THE
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EXAMPLES, THE EXAMPLE PHOTOS, I THINK WE GET INTO IFFY TERRITORY OF SETTING A PRECEDENT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST ONE HOUSE, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT. PEOPLE LOOK TO US, LOOK TO OUR BOARD, LOOK TO OUR DECISIONS AND SAY, HEY, WILL, YOU DID THIS TO THAT HOUSE. SO JUST LET ME KNOW. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAUTIOUS OF THAT. AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE, YOU KNOW, DRAGGING THIS OUT OR TEARING THIS DOWN. I BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY HAS, YOU KNOW, GOOD INTENTIONS IN THIS, AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE ATTACKING THAT OR ANYTHING. I THINK OUR ROLE HERE AS A BOARD, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, IS TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOMES THAT WE HAVE. AND IF THIS HOUSE IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY HOUSE, THAT'S NOT GREAT, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN, THAN OTHERS.AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE A HOME THAT HAS A HIGHER PRIORITY.
AND BRING IT DOWN. AND I KNOW THIS HOUSE HAS HAD CHANGES BEFORE AND IT'S IT COULD BE BETTER THAN IT THAN IT WAS OR THAN IT IS. BUT MY CONCERN IS WHY DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THAT TO, TO GET WORSE? AND I AND I WISH JAMES WAS HERE BECAUSE I, I WANT TO HEAR HIS INSIGHT ON THIS IS, OH, HE'D AGREE WITH ME. WELL AND MAYBE HE WOULD AND I JUST I WANT TO I LEARN FROM HIM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK HE HAS SUCH VALUABLE INSIGHT THAT WE MIGHT BE MISSING IN THIS CONVERSATION. AND I WONDER IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD TABLE INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO DRAG THIS OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A THING WE CAN DO. WELL, IF I COULD ADDRESS ONE OF YOUR POINTS, I STILL THINK THAT THE MEDIUM DESIGNATION IS ERRONEOUS. I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE ON THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, AND I TOTALLY GET IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE COMING IN. WELL, YOU DID IT. HERE. HERE'S THE ADDRESS WHERE YOU DID IT. I MEAN, I JUST SHOWED YOU A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT HOUSES THAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAD ADDITIONS ON THEM THAT CHANGED THE VOLUME OF THE HOUSE, THAT AT THE VERY MINIMUM. BUT BUT I THINK THAT IN THAT CASE AND, YOU KNOW, UPCOMING CASES, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE APPLICANTS. IT'S LIKE I MEAN, I PRESENTED A HISTORY OF THE HOUSE TO YOU. I PRESENTED A HISTORY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND THE CHANGES AND WHY I BELIEVE THROUGH EXPERIENCE AND THROUGH EDUCATION. AND I JUST MEAN EDUCATION THROUGH WORK. WHY THIS IS THERE'S NOTHING ORIGINAL ABOUT THIS HOUSE. SO, SO YOU'RE APPROVING IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO, TO THE POINTS THAT I'VE BROUGHT FORWARD. AND SO IF THIS WAS A HOUSE, LET'S SAY THAT IT DID HAVE THE ORIGINAL ROOF. AND WE WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT. I TOTALLY GET IT, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL ROOF IS STILL THERE, BUT THERE IS SO MUCH THAT'S NOT ORIGINAL ON THIS HOUSE. AND THE I THINK THE FIRST HISTORIC DESIGNATION WAS, WHAT, 1985? AND EVEN AT THAT TIME, IF YOU ALL, I'M SURE HAVE SEEN THE MAP OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT LOOKS LIKE A DRUNKEN SAILOR WENT THROUGH AND WELL, THIS, THIS THIS. BECAUSE AT THAT TIME IN 1985, WHEN MCKINNEY, THE POPULATION WAS NOT VERY BIG, THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE FIXING UP A LOT OF HOMES. SO UNDOUBTEDLY THERE WERE HOUSES THAT ARE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND IF SOMEONE CAME THROUGH TODAY WOULD BE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. IT'S IN GREAT CONDITION. IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE BROWN STREETS. AND SO IT'S JUST BACK AT THAT TIME, WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE DESIGNATIONS, I THINK THAT MAYBE THEY WERE THEY WERE WORKING IN THEIR TIME AND MAYBE THIS WAS OKAY IN 1985.
MCKINNEY. BUT I REALLY I, I WILL STAND ON EVERYTHING I'VE GOT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOULD BE A MEDIUM DESIGNATION. AND IF THAT'S WHAT WHAT IS ONE OF OUR DRIVING CONCERNS IS THE PARTICULAR DESIGNATION. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE IN ABOUT THIS HOUSE SPECIFICALLY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
WE'RE HERE ABOUT THIS HOUSE SPECIFICALLY. AND SO ANYBODY THAT COMES FORWARD, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL THE EXACT SAME THING. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO
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PERSUADE YOU TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT THAT MY DISAGREEMENT WITH THE OFFICE IS, IS VALID, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO PROVE THOSE POINTS TO YOU. AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S ONE OF THE SERVICES THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A CASE BY CASE BASIS THAT COMES TO YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PERSUADE YOU. I PERSUADED THREE PEOPLE THAT IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, A GOOD IDEA.AND, YOU KNOW, THREE JUST DID NOT FOR WHATEVER REASON. BUT STILL, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY, WELL, IF WE SET A PRECEDENCE, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON OF THIS BOARD. AND I DON'T MEAN TO TELL YOU WHAT YOUR, YOUR ROLE IS. I USED TO SIT UP HERE. I WAS ON THIS BOARD YEARS AGO. I WAS ON PLANNING AND ZONING TWICE. SO I KNOW THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT IS GIVEN TO VOLUNTEERING, REVIEWING THESE AND DRIVING NEIGHBORHOODS AND SEEING WHAT IS IT THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING IN A PICTURE, BUT WHEN I DRIVE BY IT, I CAN FEEL IT. I CAN KNOW WHAT THIS GUY IS SAYING. I KNOW WHAT THIS FATHER AND DAUGHTER TEAM ARE TRYING TO DO TO THIS HOUSE. SO I JUST ASK, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN PROCEDURALLY AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THERE WAS A VOTE ON IT AND IT WAS A TIE VOTE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO GET TABLED AND THAT BUT BUT I STILL I STAND ON EVERYTHING THAT EVERYTHING THAT I GAVE YOU IN MY PRESENTATION FOR THE HISTORY OF WHAT I BELIEVE THIS HOME BASED ON MANY, MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND MANY, MANY PROJECTS IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY ALONE, YOU KNOW, ON HISTORICAL PROJECTS. SO THAT'S ALL I CAN DO. ALL I CAN DO IS ASK THAT, YES, YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE PROJECT AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE CONVINCED WE CAN WE CAN GO THROUGH WITH THIS AND LET THEM THE OWNERS HAVE THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THIS, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING, IS TO LOOK AT THIS CASE. CAN I ASK WHEN DID THE MILLER FAMILY BUY THE HOUSE? DO WE. THAT WASN'T IN THE PRESENTATION, I CAN'T HEAR.
WHEN DID THE MILLER FAMILY BUY THE HOUSE? NOVEMBER OF THIS PAST YEAR, 2024. OKAY. GOTCHA. SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE TRYING TO FIX IT. IF I COULD JUST GO AHEAD. SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS. THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO STAFF. BETTY HAD ASKED ABOUT THE PRIORITY RATING OF THE TWO STORY WHITE HOUSE. IT WOULD BE 718 WEST LAMAR. THAT ONE IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY ON THAT CORNER, ALL OF THE HOUSES, EXCEPT FOR THE KIND OF LARGER GREENISH COLORED ONE OR MEDIUM PRIORITY, AND THAT ONE IS A HIGH PRIORITY. AND THEN MEGAN HAD ALSO ASKED, IS THERE AN OPTION TO TABLE THE DISCUSSION? AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. YES, THERE YOU COULD TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING IF YOU WANTED TO, AND WE WOULD JUST NEED TO VOTE ON THAT, LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE. YOU WOULD HAVE TO MOTION TO TABLE IT. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO EXPLORE THOSE OF YOU WHO VOTED IN FAVOR, BETTY, MYSELF AND CARRIE, IS THERE ANY INFORMATION THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT YOU FEEL? IS THERE? NO. SO IS THERE ANY INFORMATION YOU HAVE THAT YOU THINK WOULD MOVE THE MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THE DISCUSSION? I'M SORRY. WHAT? I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. SORRY. IS THERE ANY INFORMATION YOU HAVE OR OR WANT TO SHARE THAT YOU THINK WOULD MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THE DISCUSSION? WELL, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK SO. IF WE IF WE DON'T PASS THIS THEN SO THEN THEY THEY WOULD HAVE THE, THEY COULD TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. RIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT. SO IF WE IF WE DON'T PASS THIS.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE DO IS THEN WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON IT WHICH IT WHICH IS FINE. I MEAN BECAUSE THAT THAT'S THE PROCESS WHICH I LOVE THE PROCESS, I THINK, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT PROCESS AND I AND I DON'T I TRY TO THINK, OKAY, WELL HOW ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AT THIS? WELL HOW I FEEL LIKE AND, AND WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE HARD TO ME. IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO HOLD UP TURNING THIS DOWN BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO PUT MONEY INTO THIS HOUSE. AND I JUST THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD. SO IF WE DID TABLE IT AND
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THEN VOTE ON IT IN THE NEXT MEETING, YOU'D HAVE JOHANNA AND JAMES. WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TABLING DOES TO THEIR TIMELINE. BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S NOT OUR CONCERN. MAYBE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE TABLE IT AND THEN WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A ODD NUMBER HERE. SO TO, TO BE FAIR TO THEM, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S EITHER YOU TURN THEM DOWN AND AGREE WITH STAFF OR YOU DON'T. SO THEN THEY HAVE THE NEXT OPTION, WHICH IS 30 DAYS TO GET BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO GET A RESPONSE FROM CITY COUNCIL. I THINK IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THEM TO TABLE IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD BE 30 DAYS. AND THEN IF WE STILL DIDN'T COME TO A CONCLUSION, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ANYBODY TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE TOWARDS APPROVING THEIR COA AND GOING AGAINST WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, THEN I WOULD I WOULD THEN SAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S TURN THEM DOWN AND TURN THEM FREE, SET THEM FREE AND LET THEM PURSUE IT IN A TIMELY MANNER. OTHERWISE, CAN WE ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO COMING BACK TO THE BOARD WHEN THERE'S A WHEN MR. WEST IS HERE? THAT WOULD BE IN 30 DAYS. I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN OPTION. WELL IT'S EITHER COME BACK AND REVOTE OR IT GOES ON TO CITY COUNCIL. CORRECT? YEAH. IF WE IF WE AGREE WITH STAFF AND WE TURN DOWN YOUR REQUEST, THEN YOU WOULD THEN HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER COMPLYING WITH WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, OR YOU COULD THEN TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL. WHO WOULD THEN. BUT IT'S A TIE VOTE. LET ME JUST CLARIFY REALLY QUICKLY. SO YOUR OPTIONS NOW YOU'VE ALREADY MADE ONE VOTE. YOUR NEXT OPTION IS YOU CAN EITHER TABLE IT OR I BELIEVE IT WOULD FAIL BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET A QUORUM. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN VOTE AGAIN WITH THE SAME MEMBERS ON THE SAME NIGHT. OKAY, SO WE CAN'T TAKE ANOTHER VOTE TONIGHT. YOU WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO MOTION FOR A TABLE AND TAKE A VOTE ON A TABLE, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO VOTE AGAIN ON THE RECOMMENDATION. ARE WE ALLOWED TO INVITE DOCTOR FELTUS TO CLARIFY? FOR US? SURE.ROBERT'S RULES, WE LOVE IT. DOCTOR DRE FELT HIS DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE, ALSO LIAISON BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THIS BOARD. YOU NEED FOUR VOTES FOR IT TO PASS. ABSOLUTELY. IF IT'S 3 TO 3, THEN IT FAILS. HERE. I WILL TELL YOU FROM THE COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, WE HIGHLY RESPECT THE DECISION OF THIS BOARD WITHOUT HAVING A FULL BOARD PRESENT TO DELIBERATE ON THE ISSUE. IT IS GOING TO BE A MORE DIFFICULT HURDLE IN TERMS OF BRINGING THIS CASE FORWARD. MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO TABLE FOR A MONTH AND HAVE THE FULL BOARD. IT GIVES YOU TIME ALSO TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY WITH EACH BOARD MEMBER AND PLEAD YOUR CASE. AND IT MIGHT BE A LOT EASIER THAN TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN A MONTH. THAT WOULD BE MY ADVICE, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE CHOICE SINCE IT FAILED HERE. IT CAN CARRY TO COUNCIL, BUT IT CARRIES TO COUNCIL WITH A BASICALLY A DENIAL FROM THE BOARD. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE PREFER NOT TO HAVE IT GO THAT WAY. BUT IF THAT IS YOUR CHOICE TO DO IT THAT WAY. IS THERE AN OPTION TO NOT WAIT FOUR WEEKS TO HAVE A MEETING? I MEAN, IS THERE AN OPTION TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING? I'M JUST ASKING. IS THAT I, I BELIEVE WE CAN TRY TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. BUT DON'T YOU TAKE A CHANCE OF, AGAIN, MAYBE A MEMBERS OUT BECAUSE, HEY, I WASN'T EXPECTING TO COME IN TWO WEEKS AS OPPOSED TO FOUR. TRUE.
THAT'S TRUE. THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN. YES. I STILL HAVE A QUESTION, MR. MCREYNOLDS. YES, MA'AM. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN WHY YOU'RE PROPOSING THE SHED DORMERS AS OPPOSED TO A GABLE DORMER? AND I'LL TELL YOU, PART OF MY PART OF MY OBJECTION TO THIS IS THE MASSING JUST SEEMS OFF. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT. AND SO EVEN WITH A SHED DORMER, IS THERE A WAY TO MINIMIZE IT A LITTLE SO THAT THE MASSING SEEMS A LITTLE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS? FOR THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE? SO THAT'S THE ONE BAD THING ABOUT THESE DRAWINGS IS THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE FLAT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM IN A MANNER THAT YOU NEVER WOULD SEE THEM. SO FOR INSTANCE, ON MY DRAWING ON TOP OF THE ROOF SECTION ITSELF, HERE, IT LOOKS
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MUCH STEEPER THAN IT ACTUALLY LOOKS IN REAL LIFE. THE GABLE THAT I'VE GOT HERE, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A PRODUCT OF HOW THE BUILDING, THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING IS WITH THE ROOMS COMING OUT THERE, THE SHED DORMER ALONG THE BACK. HERE AGAIN IS A FUNCTION OF WHERE THE WALL CURRENTLY SITS AT THAT IT'S, IT'S THE EXISTING WALL OF THE HOUSE. SO IF I WERE TO DO THAT BY DOING THE SHED DORMER. BOY, THIS IS A SCRIBBLE MESS ISN'T IT. BY DOING THE SHED DORMER HERE, IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT MORE OF A LOWER PROFILE. WHEREAS IS THERE A WAY TO ERASE THIS DISASTER? CLEAR. OH THANK YOU. WHOEVER DID THAT. SO BY DOING, I MEAN WE COULD DO A SHED DORMER ACROSS HERE AND IT WOULD JUST CREATE A VERTICAL ELEMENT LIKE THAT. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AS AS VISUALLY APPEALING. AND PLUS BY, BY DOING, YOU KNOW, THIS RIGHT HERE, THE GABLE LIKE WE HAVE IT, IT MATCHES THIS LINE HERE. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DESIGN CONTINUITY. SO THIS WAS A THIS ONE HAD ITS STRUGGLES. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. SO BUT A BIG PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A LOW PROFILE NOW IN THE HOUSE. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET GET HEADROOM. I MEAN OKAY, LEGALLY WHAT'S THERE NOW COULDN'T BE BUILT TODAY. AND PASS CODE. SO YOU KNOW, WITH WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO MEET CURRENT CODE. SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AT ONE TIME. SO I SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR OPINION IS THAT IT'S NOT AS IN YOUR FACE OF A CONTRAST AS. ALL RIGHT. WHICH ELEVATION DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE MOST NOTICEABLE AND WHICH ELEVATION WOULD IT BE LEAST NOTICEABLE AS FAR AS THE MASSING, THE FRONT. IF I DID A SHED DORMER INSTEAD OF THE GABLE? NO, I MEAN IF. NO, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO THAT. I'M JUST ASKING. IS THERE A WAY TO MINIMIZE THE SHED DORMER SO THAT I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS IS THIS IS TWO DIMENSIONAL, AND SO IT'S HARD TO APPRECIATE. YOU KNOW, HOW I CAN'T THINK OF A GOOD ADJECTIVE, BUT IT JUST, LIKE I SAY, THE MASSING TO ME JUST SEEMS OFF. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TOO MUCH. THAT'S. YEAH.THAT'S YOUR CONCERN. SO ORIGINALLY WE DID LOOK AT IT AS A, AS A SHED DORMER. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL OR PROPOSAL THAT, THAT THEY HAD SHOWN. AND THEN THIS WAS THE LATER ONE WHEN WE FOUND OUT, OH, WE HAVE TO DESTROY THE ROOF IN ORDER TO EVEN HAVE ANYTHING. IT JUST FRANKLY LOOKED BAD. WELL, AND MAYBE I HAVEN'T. AND THE ENGINEER SAID THIS, I'M NOT ASKING TO REMOVE THE DORMER THAT'S THERE. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. BUT IT'S JUST WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S LIKE THE SHED DORMER JUST LOOKS BIG. IT LOOKS LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY AN EYESORE BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S THAT'S TOO NEGATIVE, BUT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE OH, IT WAS PLOPPED DOWN SO AND SO IT'S I THINK WE'RE WE'RE AT ODDS ON OUR TERMINOLOGY. THIS THIS IS A GABLE. OKAY. UP THERE. THIS FRONT ONE IS A GABLE. OH. ARE YOU SAYING THAT WHERE'S THE SHED? I'VE CIRCLED IN PURPLE FOR SOME REASON. IT'S NOT SHOWING IT ON THERE. THERE WE GO. OKAY, SO THAT'S A GABLE. YES. OKAY. SO THE OTHER PART ON ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE, THOSE ARE JUST THEY'RE NOT EVEN DORMERS. IT'S JUST THE WAY THE ROOF GOES UP AND COMES BACK DOWN. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. JUST JUST LIKE IT IS IN THE PICTURE RIGHT THERE ON THE LOW PICTURE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE ROOF COMES UP TO THAT RIDGE AND THEN IT GOES DOWN THE OTHER SIDE. THAT'S THE EXACT SAME THING I HAVE HERE. IT COMES UP TO THIS RIDGE AND THEN IT JUST COMES DOWN THE OTHER SIDE OKAY. YEAH. AND IT PEAKS OVER THIS GABLED DORMER. YES. YOU CAN SEE IT. OKAY. WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON THE GROUND, I DOUBT YOU'LL SEE IT. HONESTLY, I DOUBT YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE GABLE. YEAH, AND THE FLATNESS. I DOUBT YOU'LL SEE
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THAT. THAT DIFFERENCE. IT'S PRETTY SHALLOW. OKAY. AND THEN BEING ON THE GROUND, THERE'S A BIT OF A SLOPE TO THE PROPERTY TOO. AND THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU, I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'LL BE NOTICEABLE, REALLY. THAT IS THE TRICKY THING ABOUT THESE TWO DIMENSIONAL DRAWINGS. THEY COULD BE. AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT. I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S. BUT BUT CLIENTS CONSISTENTLY WILL ASK THAT. IT'S LIKE, GOSH, IS IT THAT TALL? NO. IT JUST IT LOOKS IT IN THIS. RENDERING. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. LET'S LET'S KIND OF MOVE ON HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. ABSOLUTELY. AND YOUR PATIENCE AND PRESENTING THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE. IT'S BEEN VERY GLAD TO DO IT I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO IS IT TABLED TO NEXT TIME. IS THAT THE DECISION? WE'LL MAKE A MOTION OKAY. THANK YOU. I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS DISCUSSION TO OUR NEXT MEETING. WE'LL HAVE A SECOND I SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. I MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE ON. NOW DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? DOES APPEAR. SO DID THE BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF ANY OTHER FURTHER BUSINESS TO[BOARD AND STAFF COMMENTS]
DISCUSS? I WILL JUST ASK IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING. KATHY, WOULD WE POTENTIALLY DISCUSS ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE NARRATIVES AND WHAT YOU SEE AS THE TIMELINE GOING FORWARD? YEAH, SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO I BELIEVE I'VE RECEIVED EVERYONE'S NARRATIVES EXCEPT FOR ONE PERSON. AND SO I AM GOING THROUGH THOSE AND KIND OF ORGANIZING THEM TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES. AND THEN I HAVE A MEETING WITH BARRY SHELTON LATER THIS MONTH. SCHEDULING CONFLICTS HAVE MADE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE END OF THE MONTH, BECAUSE WE'RE BOTH TAKING VACATION, BUT AT THAT MEETING WITH BARRY IS WHEN I'LL DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL HAVE COME UP WITH. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DIRECTION? WHAT ARE WE MISSING, THAT SORT OF THING, AND BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. AWESOME. THAT'S GREAT. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? I TOLD MY WIFE TO HAVE DINNER WOULD PROBABLY BE BACK AT ABOUT 645. IT'S HER BIRTHDAY TODAY, SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY WIFE. I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU HOW OLD SHE IS. PROBABLY 36. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? SO MOVED. MOVED SECOND, PLEASE I SECOND.SECONDED. YEAH. OKAY. SORRY. I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE. AND THE VOTE? THE MOTION IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 743. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. THANK YOU FOR THE MR. MCREYNOLDS AND THE
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