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5:33 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF NOVEMBER 6TH, 2025. THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU'RE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE NONPUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. ITEM NUMBER 25 3340. THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.
SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR FOR THIS TERM. I'LL HAVE ANY DISCUSSION, ANY NOMINATIONS. I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITY TO NOMINATE TOM PENCE AGAIN. HE HAS SERVED AS OUR CHAIR THIS PAST YEAR AND HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. AND I THINK HE WOULD, EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, I THINK HE WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ANOTHER YEAR. OKAY, SO THAT WAS A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER ISAAC TO ELECT TOM PENCE AS THE NEW CHAIR. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. AND THAT WAS A SECOND. BY KERRY KENNEDY. SHOULD WE DO THIS? OH, YES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE THEN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
THAT MOTION PASSED. THAT WOULD BE SIX. YES. ZERO NO FOR TOM PENCE TO BE ELECTED AS THE NEW CHAIR. SINCE TOM IS NOT HERE, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE ON AND WE WILL MOVE TO THE ELECTION OF THE VICE CHAIR. DO WE HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? I MOVE THAT WE NOMINATE MEGAN FOR VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU. MARCIA. THAT WAS A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER MARCIA ROBERTSON TO ELECT MEGAN ESCAMILLA AS THE NEW VICE CHAIR. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S SECONDED BY BETTY. BETTY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. DO I VOTE YES? OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT MOTION PASSES 7 TO 0. MEGAN ESCAMILLA HAS BEEN ELECTED AS THE NEW VICE CHAIR. I WILL HAND OVER THE MEETING TO YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL, I APPRECIATE IT. I HAVE ENJOYED SERVING AS VICE CHAIR AND I AM GLAD TO CONTINUE. SO NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 25334 ONE MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2025. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MOVE THAT. WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH. MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER PRIOR ROBIN ROBERTSON TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. LISA. LISA, A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER HAMMITT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. AND THE CONSENT AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER H20250077. CONSIDER. DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY PAUL SESTO FOR APPROVAL OF A REHABILITATION LEVEL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION LEVEL TWO FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 505 NORTH COLLEGE STREET, RAYNA ALLEN WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION.
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GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. TONIGHT I'M BRINGING FORWARD A NICE LEVEL TWO APPLICATION FOR 505 NORTH COLLEGE STREET. THIS HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1895, IN THE QUEEN ANNE STYLE, AND IT IS A HIGH PRIORITY. HIGH PRIORITY MEANS THAT IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS, AND IT'S AN OUTSTANDING OR UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING, OR CRAFTED DESIGN, AND RETAINS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER AND CONTEXTUAL INTEGRITY. SO FOR THIS MARKER LEVEL TWO, IT NEEDS A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $10,000, AND THE ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS WAS AN HVAC REPLACEMENT. TOTAL COST $23,750. AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST BY HOMEOWNERS AND FOUND THAT IT MEETS THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROGRAM FOR REHABILITATION LEVEL INCENTIVE, WHICH CARRIES A 50% EXEMPTION FROM CITY AD VALOREM TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. RAYNA, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. SEEING NONE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE. APPROVAL. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER PETKOVSEK TO APPROVE THE ITEM. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND, WE HAVE A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER KENNEDY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SORRY. I WAS GOING TO GET CARRIED. CARRIED? OKAY, OKAY, THEN PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE REQUEST TO APPROVE REHABILITATION LEVEL. HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION FOR 505 NORTH COLLEGE STREET HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, MOVING ON TO HP 20250033 CONSIDER, DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY DOREEN CHRISTENSEN FOR APPROVAL OF A REHABILITATION LEVEL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION LEVEL TWO FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 617 NORTH CHURCH STREET. RAYNA WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. SO AGAIN, THIS IS FOR 617 NORTH CHURCH STREET, A LEVEL TWO INCENTIVE. THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1935, IN THE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE, AND IT IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY HOUSE.THAT MEANS IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS, BUT ALTERATIONS HAVE DIMINISHED THE RESOURCES INTEGRITY. BUT IT STILL A SIGNIFICANT EXAMPLE OF ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING OR CRAFTED DESIGN. AND LEVEL TWO REQUIRES A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $10,000 WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY ISSUED, AND THAT WAS ISSUED MAY 15TH OF 2025. THERE WAS A TOTAL OF $38,793 WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING REPLACING AND REPAIRING DAMAGED AND MISSING SIDING, PAINTING WINDOW TRIM DOORS, AND THE ENTIRE HOUSE. THESE ARE THE AFTER PHOTOS, AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNERS AND FOUND THAT IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROGRAM, AND IT CARRIES A 50% EXEMPTION OF THE CITY AD VALOREM TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS ABOUT THE LAST HOUSE TO. BOTH OF THESE ARE SUCH BEAUTIFUL HOUSES. THEY ARE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO THEM. DO YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LIMIT. YES. DO YOU KNOW. HOW CAN YOU REMIND US WHAT THE LIMIT IS AS FAR AS WHERE WE ARE? AND ONCE WE ADD THESE HOUSES, CAN. DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? YEAH. ONCE WE ADD THESE IN. NOW THIS DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY THAT WE MIGHT GET IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO FOR THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, INCLUDING THESE, WE'RE AT $298,344. OKAY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CAP IS. I THINK 400,000. IT'S 500,000, 500,000. SO WE'RE OKAY. SO THAT'S GOOD. AND DO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A MEDIUM BECAUSE OF ALTERATIONS. SO DO WE. WHAT WHAT IS THAT THAT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY THAT'S NOT A HOUSE
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ADDITIONS. ADDITIONS TO THE BACK OKAY OKAY. SO ANYTIME THERE'S AN ADDITION OR ALTERATION OF ANY KIND THAT CAN KIND OF CHANGE THE. OKAY. YEAH. BEAUTIFUL HOUSES BECAUSE THE SIDING IS STILL WOOD RIGHT. IT HASN'T BEEN REPLACED. YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU. RAYNA OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION I MOVE. IS THAT MARSHA? KIMBERLY. SORRY, I COULDN'T TELL. OKAY, SO MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER WOLFE TO APPROVE THE ITEM. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER PRIOR ROBERTSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. AND THIS ITEM HAS BEEN APPROVED BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE. MOVING ON TO HP 20240074 CONSIDER, DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY DAVID HAMPTON FOR APPROVAL OF A REHABILITATION LEVEL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION LEVEL TWO FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 705 NORTH COLLEGE STREET. RAIN WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. 705 NORTH COLLEGE STREET, AND IT IS A LEVEL TWO MARKER APPLICATION. AGAIN, THIS HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1905, IN THE CLASSICAL REVIVAL STYLE. IT IS A HIGH PRIORITY HOME, WHICH MEANS IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS, AND IT'S AN OUTSTANDING OR UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING OR CRAFTED DESIGN, AND RETAINS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER AND CONTEXTUAL INTEGRITY. THE MINIMUM INVESTMENT FOR LEVEL TWO IS $10,000 IN BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEY RECEIVED A LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY FOR THIS IN NOVEMBER 25TH OF 2024, AND THEY HAD SEVERAL REPAIRS DONE, AND IT WAS OVER $10,000 IN IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING REPLACING DETERIORATED TRIM, ROOF VENT REPAIR, RELEVELING, THE FOUNDATION CRAWL SPACE, DUCTWORK REPAIR AND INSULATION, IMPROVED DRAINAGE, AND REPLACED SOME DAMAGED WINDOWS. AND THEY DID GO THROUGH BECAUSE THEY ARE A REAL TEXAS HISTORICAL LANDMARK. THEY DID GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL FOR THOSE RENOVATIONS, WHICH TOTALED $41,419. AND HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE REPAIR WORK THAT WAS DONE. AND THEY HAVE ALL THE MARKERS. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNERS AND FOUND THAT IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROGRAM, WHICH CARRIES A 50% EXEMPTION ON THE CITY AD VALOREM TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. OKAY. DOES BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. ONCE AGAIN, JUST A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE AND SO APPRECIATIVE OF THE TIME AND THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE PUT INTO KEEPING THAT HOUSE. IT'S JUST A REALLY PRETTY HOUSE. ALL OF THOSE MARKERS ARE PRETTY COOL TO SEE THE COOL PICTURE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS. OKAY. MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER KENNEDY TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER PRIOR ROBERTSON TO APPROVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. DOES IT MATTER? IT SAYS JAMES WEST. IT DOES SAY JAMES. THAT NEEDS TO BE CARRIE KENNEDY. YEAH. THERE WE GO. GOOD CATCH. AND THIS ITEM HAS BEEN APPROVED BY A UNANIMOUS VOTE. NOW MOVING ON TO HP 20250074. CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY OWNER TRAVIS HOFFELT FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION OF THE RESIDENCE LOCATED AT 1505 WEST LOUISIANA STREET, AND RAINA WILL MAKE ANOTHER PRESENTATION BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE. OKAY. SO YES, THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE HERE THIS EVENING FOR DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE LOCATED AT 1505 WEST LOUISIANA STREET. THE HOUSE WAS BUILT AROUND 1915 AND THE ARTS AND CRAFTS STYLE. IT IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY HOUSE. IT SITS ON A PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION. THESE ARE SOME EARLIER PHOTOS OF THE PREVIOUS CONDITION OF
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THE HOME. AND THIS IS SOME CURRENT CONDITIONS. I'M JUST GOING TO READ OFF A FEW OF THESE BULLET POINTS. THIS WAS IN THE REPORTS THAT WERE PART OF YOUR PACKET. FOR SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS HOUSE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE SOME PICTURES OF HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. THE WALLS ARE OUT OF PLUMB, AN AVERAGE OF ONE AND A HALF TO 2.5IN, SOMETIMES UP TO 4.5IN. THE FLOORS ARE AT A LEVEL 2 TO 3IN THE WINDOWS. A LOT OF THEM DO NOT OPERATE DUE TO THESE ISSUES. MANY OF THE DOORS ARE NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR WHEELCHAIR ACCESS. THE RAFTERS ARE NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE HVAC. THERE WAS A MOLD REPORT ALSO THAT YOU SHOULD RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKET. THERE'S EXCESS OF 3400 SPORES OF MOLD, WHICH IS A HUGE HEALTH CONCERN. AND THERE WAS IN 2022 AN ATTEMPT TO HAVE THE FOUNDATION RELEVELED TO TRY TO CORRECT SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. AND THAT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN TRYING TO FIX THE LEVEL. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE HERE HOW FAR OUT OF PLUMB THEY ARE AND HOW CROOKED THE THINGS ARE. AND ANY ATTEMPT TO TRY TO FIX IT AGAIN MOST LIKELY WILL RESULT IN MORE DAMAGE TO THE HOME. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE AGAIN THE FLOOR, HOW OUT OF LEVEL IT IS, THE WALLS, HOW OUT OF PLUMB THEY ARE. AND THEN STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION.THE FOUNDATION, WALL, FLOOR, ROOF CONNECTIONS HAVE ALL BEEN COMPROMISED. THE PREVIOUS FOUNDATION REPAIRS. THEY DID ADD STEEL PLATES TO THIS TO TRY TO PREVENT FURTHER SHIFTING AND DAMAGE TO THE WALLS AND FLOORS, BUT IT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL AND CONTINUED ATTEMPTS TO RELEVEL THE FOUNDATION WILL MOST LIKELY CAUSE MORE DAMAGE AND AGAIN ELEVATED LEVELS OF MOLD THROUGHOUT THE INTERIOR INDICATE THAT EFFECTIVE REMEDIATION CANNOT BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT FULL SCALE RECONSTRUCTION OF PROPERTY. NOW THE BOARD HAS FOUR OPTIONS. IN THIS CASE, YOU CAN APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, DENY OR ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY. AFTER THE 90 DAY DELAY, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WOULD BE ISSUED. MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS. THE REQUEST. MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION, AND STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST FOR THE DEMOLITION. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTION REGARDING THE ACHIEVED PROBLEM OF MOLD? AND ONE WONDERS IF THE EFFECT OF ROOF LEAKS WAS CAUSE OF THIS INFESTATION YOU HAVE. WAS IT CAUSED BY SYSTEMATIC ROOF LEAKING? IS THAT WHAT CAUSED THIS MOVEMENT? I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. NO. WE CAN INVITE THE HOMEOWNER UP TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANSWERS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND AND SPEAK. IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SURE. TRAVIS HOFFELT AT 1505 WEST LOUISIANA. YEAH, BASED ON WHAT WE CAN SEE, THAT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THAT THE ROOF LEAKS OR THAT LEAKING ROOF WAS THE CAUSE OF THE THE MOLD. I MEAN, I HAVE MY CONTRACTOR HERE, TOO. I'M.
YOU'RE HAPPY TO HEAR HIS OPINION. HE'S I KNOW I'VE DONE SOME OTHER REMODELINGS FOR HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT YEAH. NO, THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE EVIDENCE OF THAT.
WHAT TYPE OF FOUNDATION WORK WAS DONE? YEAH. YOU CAN COME UP TO. YEAH. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS, I'M SHANNON KANE, I OWN THE GAME COMPANY. AND HERE IN TOWN. MR. WEST KNOWS MY DAD.
I THINK THEY WERE IN SCHOOL TOGETHER, SO. WHAT'S REALLY CAUSING THE PROBLEM ON SITE IS POOR GRADING. AND SO WATER IS ABLE TO GET UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE IN SOME PLACES, THE FOUNDATION REPAIR THAT WAS DONE. AND I'M NOT, I THINK I THINK HE WENT AS FAR AS HE COULD UNTIL
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THE MONEY RAN OUT, IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME. BUT THEY DID ON THE LET'S SEE IF I GET MY DIRECTIONS RIGHT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY PUT IN SOME CONCRETE PIERS AND TRIED TO STABILIZE IT. THEY ALSO TRIED TO PUT A VAPOR BARRIER DOWN UNDERNEATH THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE. SO THERE'S A LAYER OF PLASTIC UNDERNEATH THERE. BUT THAT HASN'T SOLVED THE PROBLEM. AND THERE ARE STILL SOME PLACES ALONG THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ALONG THE EAST SIDE, WHERE WATER CAN RUN UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE THE CONCRETE STAIRCASE HAS PULLED AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT OR NOT, BUT IT'S LIKE A FOOT AND SO WATER CAN RUN DOWN THE SIDE AND IT GETS TRAPPED IN BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE HOUSE AND, AND SO THEN WATER IS ABLE TO RUN UNDER IT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE IT CERTAINLY SHOWS THE EFFECT OF LONG TERM PROBLEMS OVER TIME. IT'S KIND OF LIKE GOING IN A FUNHOUSE WHEN YOU WALK IN. I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOR IS DOWN THIS WAY AND THIS IS LEANING THAT WAY AND ALL THE WINDOWS ARE RACKED AND NOTHING. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS SOIL. IT DOES MOVE AROUND. IT'S PROBABLY GOT A PI OF 35 OR 40 IF I WAS JUST GUESSING. BUT YEAH, IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE PROHIBITIVE I THINK. AND AND THEY WANT TO BUILD THEY WANTED THEY LIKE THEY BOUGHT IT BECAUSE IT'S AN ARTS AND CRAFTS STYLE. AND SO IF, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, WHICH IS TAKE IT DOWN, THEN WE WOULD BUILD SOMETHING BACK NOT EXACTLY LIKE IT, BUT IN THE SAME STYLE WITH THE, THE, THE GOAL OF PEOPLE DRIVING BY AND GOING, OH, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT OLD HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE INVENTORY AND NOT LOSE THESE OLD HOUSES. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF MY QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. AND WHEN DID YOU YOU GUYS GET THE HOUSE? BUY THE HOUSE, JULY. OKAY. YEAH. I THOUGHT IT WAS RECENT JULY. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK THE THE THING THAT KIND OF DROVE A NAIL IN THE COFFIN WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FIX ANYTHING IF YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY. BUT WHEN WE WENT UNDER IT AND REALIZED SOMEBODY HAD ALREADY TRIED TO FIX IT, AND THEY TOOK IT TO A PLACE, AND I THINK TRAVIS EVEN TALKED TO THAT CONTRACTOR AND HE SAID, YEAH, THAT'S AS FAR AS WE COULD GET IT WITHOUT DOING SERIOUS DAMAGE TO THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE. WELL, THEN, OF COURSE, WITH, WITH KELLY'S NEEDS AND, AND THE SPONGY FLOORS AND THE FUN HOUSE FEEL IT JUST IT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. WAS THERE AN INSPECTION DONE PRIOR TO PURCHASE? YEAH. SORRY, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK THE SAME THING. YEAH. SORRY TO TO IT. WE HAD YEAH, WE HAD WE HAD THE HOUSE LOOKED AT. YES. BUT THE I DON'T THINK WE REALIZED AND I AND I CERTAINLY KNOW THE INSPECTOR DIDN'T REALIZE OR WHO WE HAD LOOK AT THE HOUSE. BUT WHEN WE REMOVED SOME OF THE APPLIANCES THERE'S ELECTRICAL WORK LIKE THAT WAS RUN UNDER THE DISHWASHER THAT I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OTHER I WOULD CALL THEM SERIOUS ANOMALIES THAT EVEN WE WOULDN'T KNOW UNTIL WE START TAKING STUFF APART TO TRY TO REPAIR STUFF. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY, YEAH, SOME OF WHAT WE WERE DISCOVERING AS WE TRY TO GET THROUGH IT TO DO SOME, SOME BASIC INTERIOR WORK, WE'RE DISCOVERING THAT THINGS ARE MAYBE A LOT WORSE THAN WHAT WE FORTUNATELY STARTED WITH. I MEAN, SO THIS IS NOT I MEAN, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT OUR PLAN BECAUSE THIS CHANGES THE BUDGET FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OTHER THAN THIS. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.CAN YOU EXPLAIN OKAY, SO THE THE GRADATION UNDERNEATH, IS IT I MEAN, COULD IT EVEN EVEN BE FIXED, PERIOD. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, BUT I'M JUST FROM YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IS IT EVEN DOABLE WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE? I'M I'M THE PERSON THAT SAYS, YES, YOU CAN FIX ANYTHING. THAT IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE TAKEN APART BOARD BY BOARD AND REBUILD IT. GOT IT. IT'S JUST IT'S THAT FAR GONE. I MEAN, CAN YOU CAN YOU FIND COMPONENTS AND WOULD WE DO THAT TO A DEGREE? YES. THERE ARE SOME FLAWS THAT WE WOULD TRY TO RECLAIM. THERE ARE SOME OF THE WINDOWS WE MIGHT TRY TO RECLAIM. BUT AS FAR AS GOING IN WITH CONVENTIONAL METHODS OF, OF JACKS AND LEVELING AND NO, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A REALLY A WAY TO DO THAT. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE TAKE ALL THE FLOORS OUT OF THE HOUSE. IT WOULD BE TAKE ALL THE WALL COVERINGS OFF, IT WOULD BE TRY TO THEN GO IN AND STRAIGHTEN AND LEVEL WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FIGHTING IT ANYMORE. AS FAR AS NO WALL COVERINGS, NO FLOOR
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COVERINGS AND THEN AND THEN TRY TO LEVEL IT AND AND THEN RECONSTRUCT IT. AND SO BY THE TIME YOU GO TO THAT MUCH. TROUBLE IS PROHIBITIVE. ALONG THAT VEIN, ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO SALVAGE MATERIALS. YES, YES, THERE'S A THERE'S A BUNCH OF ALL OF THE FLOORS. THE FLOORS ARE GORGEOUS. YOU KNOW, IF IF THE FLOORS WE WOULD TAKE OUT AND PRESERVE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT ON THE OUTSIDE THAT'S I MEAN, IT'S PERIOD. I MEAN, THE IT MAY SOME OF IT'S PROBABLY THE OLD CYPRESS STYLE SIDING THAT HAS THE KIND OF THE, THE SQUARE CUT THAT'S ABOUT THAT TALL. AND YOU CAN STILL GET THAT IT'S EXPENSIVE. THERE IS SOME AREAS THAT ARE ROTTED AND. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT, IF ANY, WOULD BE SALVAGEABLE. BUT THE REST OF THE ALL THE INTERIOR FINISHES, ALL THE CABINETS, ALL OF THE LIGHT FIXTURES ARE NOT PERIOD.THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL NEW. YEAH. ISH. THE HOUSE WAS USED AS A, AS A RENTAL FOR THE LAST 20 PLUS YEARS. AND SO A LOT OF THE I'LL CALL IT FIXES WERE DONE WITH MAYBE AN EYE ON BUDGET PERHAPS ASSEMBLY OR FUNCTION, MAYBE INSTEAD OF FORM WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY TO CHARACTERIZE THAT. SO THERE'S A FEW ORIGINAL DOORS, INTERIOR DOORS IN THE HOUSE WITH A FEW PIECES OF ORIGINAL LIKE DOOR HARDWARE, AND I'M MAYBE LIKE 4 OR 5, BUT THAT'S THE REST OF IT IS ALL NEWER STUFF. YEAH, IT'S ALL NEW KITCHEN CABINETS. HAVE YOU HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER COME EVALUATE THE FOUNDATION? YES, IT SHOULD BE IN THE PACKAGE. SHOULD BE IN THE PACKAGE. I UPLOADED ALL OF HIS INFORMATION AND THEY THEY CLAIMED THAT IT WAS NOT SALVAGEABLE OR THEY AGREED WITH THE ASSESSMENT. YOU KNOW, THE THE THING ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE DOING IS WE LOOKED AT THE CITY'S CRITERIA FOR, FOR WHEN YOU DEEM A STRUCTURE. WHAT'S THE TERM DILAPIDATED? DILAPIDATED. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THERE'S A CONDEMNED. WHAT'S THAT CONDEMNED. CONDEMNABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT TERM WOULD BE, I THINK. DON'T Y'ALL HAVE A BOARD THAT. YEAH, THERE'S THIS LETTER ANYWAY. THERE'S A THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIST OF CRITERIA AS FAR AS THINGS BEING OUT OF PLUMB, THINGS BEING OUT OF LEVEL, THINGS THAT ARE SPONGY. I MEAN, IT IT MET LIKE 4 OR 5 OF THE, OF THE SIX DIFFERENT CRITERIA OF, OF WHEN Y'ALL WOULD, WHEN THE CITY WOULD DEEM IT, YOU KNOW, NOT REHAB ABLE. IS THAT THAT'S LOWELL'S LOWELL'S LETTER. YEAH. ENVIRONMENTAL ROOF FOUNDATION. YEAH. FORGIVE ME. I'M. I CAN'T I CAN'T SEE THAT. NOT VERY WELL. YEAH. HE JUST MAKES NOTE THAT THE FOUNDATION WAS REPAIRED BY A REPUTABLE CONTRACTOR WHO REPORTED THEY ACHIEVED BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME WITHOUT FURTHER DESTABILIZATION. DESPITE THE MOST EFFORT THESE EFFORTS, MOST ROOMS ARE OUT OF LEVEL BY TWO INCHES OR MORE. LARGEST VARIANCE WAS SIX AND THREE QUARTERS. SIX AND THREE QUARTERS IS WHERE THE FIREPLACE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS STARTING TO SINK DOWN. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REAL. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GOOD FOUNDATION FOR THAT FIREPLACE, AND THAT MASSIVE WEIGHT RELATIVE TO THE HOUSE IS KIND OF PULLING THAT CORNER DOWN. THE FRONT WALL IS 4.5IN, 4.25IN OUT OF PLUMB. I MEAN, THIS WAS FLOORS THROUGHOUT, SOFT AND DEFLECTING UNDER LOAD SUGGESTS COMPROMISED SUBFLOORING. THESE DEFICIENCIES PRESENT A MAJOR CONCERN, ESPECIALLY FOR INTENDED OCCUPANT, WHOSE POWER CHAIR AND BODY WEIGHT EXCEEDS 600 POUNDS.
AND THEN HE TALKS ABOUT WINDOW AND WALL ALIGNMENT. HE TALKS ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. HE ALSO GOT A COPY OF THE MOLD REPORT. AND THEN HE ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STRUCTURE. I THINK Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE THAT. YEAH, I THINK I THINK WE DO. YOU KNOW, I HAVE REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THIS WHEN I SAW THIS. I MEAN, I HATE TO WE HAVE APPROVED PEOPLE DOING
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RENOVATIONS TO HOUSES AND AND THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO DO. THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO DO. SO I, I KIND OF MADE A CONS LIST AND A PROS LIST. AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY, WHICH I, I HATE LOSING AND I'M SURPRISED BY THAT BECAUSE I THINK I'VE SEEN IT WAS A LOW PRIORITY, I THINK FOR THE LAST THREE RATINGS. I GUESS WITH THE LAST SURVEY THAT WE DID OR IT'S THEY CHANGED IT TO A MEDIUM. IT IS THE FIRST HOUSE THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU ENTER THE HISTORIC, WHICH TO ME IS HUGE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FIRST HOUSE THAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY COME DOWN LOUISIANA STREET AND THEY'RE GOING DOWNTOWN. UNFORTUNATELY, NOW THEY CAN SEE IT, RIGHT? RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE PROS WAS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO REBUILD WITH A SIMILAR STRUCTURE, WHICH I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT AND YOU'RE SAVING INTERIOR DOORS, WINDOWS AND FLOORING. AND I THINK WHEN AS A BOARD, I THINK THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THE OR THE CITY DOES AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE LOOK WE GO BY THE US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND WHICH DOES NOT EXPLICITLY PROHIBIT DEMOLITION, BUT STRONGLY GUIDES AGAINST IT BY EMPHASIZING THE RETENTION AND PRESERVATION OF A HISTORIC PROPERTIES, CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES AND MATERIALS.DEMOLITION IS A LAST RESORT WHEN A PROPERTY IS BEYOND REPAIR. THE ADOPTION OF THE FEDERAL STANDARDS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL MEANS THAT PROPOSED DEMOLITION WILL UNDERGO RIGOROUS REVIEW TO ENSURE THE PROPERTY HAS EVERY EVERY. THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY IS PROTECTED IN ALL ALTERNATIVES HAVE BEEN EXPLORED. I DON'T KNOW THAT I GET THE FEELING THAT THAT THAT WE COULD SAY THAT'S HAPPENED. THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT OR MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW THAT I GET THAT FEELING THAT WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO, TO SEE OR TO MAKE SURE TO TRY TO PROTECT THIS PROPERTY. AND SO I REALLY I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS. I, I LIVE ON LOUISIANA STREET. MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1930. I CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST OF WHAT YOU HAVE. AND I MEAN, I JUST HAD MY HOUSE LEVELED AND, YOU KNOW, I STILL HAVE DIPS AND AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF HAVING AN OLD HOUSE. I CANNOT GET HALF OF MY WINDOWS OPEN. I THINK THAT'S PART OF HAVING AN OLD HOUSE. I MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT THE THE LIST OF THINGS THAT Y'ALL ARE DEALING WITH, I DON'T KNOW, I'VE NEVER WE'VE NEVER HAD IT TESTED FOR AND I DON'T THINK THAT I WANT TO BECAUSE I'M SURE IT'S THERE FOR SPORTS AND YOU KNOW, SO I'M JUST REALLY STRUGGLING THAT WE HAVE A MEDIUM PRIORITY HOUSE. IT'S AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND AND, YOU KNOW, YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT PROBABLY HAS TAKEN IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE WORK THAN WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY INTENDED. BUT I CAN TELL YOU, THE HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN, AND I HAVE DONE DOUBLE WHAT I EVER THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO DO. AND I THINK ANYBODY THAT OWNS AN OLD HOUSE CAN PROBABLY SAY THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS BECAUSE BUT THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THIS. WELL, AND SO MAYBE I'LL ADD A LITTLE SOMETHING TO THAT. OKAY. AND IF, IF I MAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE'VE LIVED IN MCKINNEY NOW 21 YEARS. SO I'VE LIVED IN MCKINNEY NOW AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED ANYWHERE ELSE IN MY LIFE. RIGHT. WE CAME TO MCKINNEY IN 2004. MY WIFE HAS M.S. AS YOU CAN SEE. RIGHT. SO PART OF AND SO PART OF WHAT DREW US TO MCKINNEY WAS THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE SQUARE.
AND WE CHOSE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY TO, TO, TO REALLY LOOK AT AND TO BUY, ALONG WITH A FEW OTHERS THAT WE LOOKED AT PRIOR AS BECAUSE WITH HER PROGRESSING IN HER DISEASE, SHE HAS A HARD TIME DRIVING, SO SHE CAN'T GO MEET HER FRIENDS. SHE CAN'T GO SHOPPING WITHOUT SOMEBODY TAKING HER SOMEWHERE. AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE CHOSE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS, THAT SHE CAN USE HER POWER CHAIR AND GET TO THE SQUARE WITH HER MISS.
SHE ALSO HAS A SUPPRESSED IMMUNE SYSTEM. SHE TAKES A CANCER DRUG THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH WITH YOUR BARE HANDS TWICE A YEAR IN ORDER TO SUPPRESS HER IMMUNE SYSTEM, SO THAT HER MISS DOESN'T CONTINUE TO TAKE WHATEVER FUNCTION SHE HAS IN HER BODY AWAY. AND SO FOR US, THE SPORES AND SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS PRESENT A SIGNIFICANT RISK TO HER HEALTH.
AND WHETHER IT'S AN OLD HOUSE OR A NEW HOUSE, I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO DEPRIVE SOMEBODY.
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GOOD HEALTH. RIGHT. AND SO FOR ME, IT'S IT'S A PRETTY EMOTIONAL ISSUE WHEN WHEN YOU.EXCUSE ME, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME FOR THAT. WE HAVE A, A SENSE OF NORMALCY THAT OTHER PEOPLE ENJOY. AND SO I APPRECIATE FOR US THIS IS A THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE CHOSE THIS SPECIFIC HOUSE. AND AGAIN, WE CHOSE IT WITH THE THE FULL INTENTION TO REMODEL THE HOUSE AND MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE THE SAME WAY WE DID WITH OUR OUR PAST HOUSE THAT GIGI CANE HELPED US DO. WE PUT IN AN ELEVATOR AND ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS TO MAKE THE DOORS WIDER AND ALL OF THAT, BUT OUR KIDS ARE GONE AND I DON'T NEED 6000FT■!S. WE NEEDA SMALLER HOME THAT IS FOR US, AND FOR SOMETHING WHERE SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO DRIVE TO GET PLACES. AND SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR US. AND SO HOWEVER WE ACHIEVE THAT, WHETHER IT'S REMODELING THE HOUSE OR WHETHER IT'S DEMOLISHING THE HOUSE AND PUTTING SOMETHING IN CHARACTER IN ITS PLACE. I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR OUR FAMILY. SURE. I THINK IT HAS TO BE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING THAT A LOT OF THESE THINGS WEREN'T DISCOVERED DURING YOUR INSPECTIONS, BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD HAVE MADE AN EDUCATED DECISION ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD FOR CERTAIN. AND SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THAT THERE WERE MAYBE SOME DOORS THAT WERE STICKING AND THINGS LIKE THIS. AND WE LOOKED AT IT AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, DISAPPOINTING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DISAPPOINTING, BUT IT'S, IT'S IT'S FOR SURE FRUSTRATING.
SURE. YEAH. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. I, I DON'T DEAL WITH A LOT OF HOME INSPECTORS. WHEN HOUSES ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD, I DEAL WITH CITY INSPECTORS, DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS. BUT I DON'T NORMALLY IF I'VE SEEN THE INSPECTION REPORTS AS I'VE BOUGHT AND SOLD HOUSES 2 OR 3 OVER THE YEARS, BUT THEY DON'T NORMALLY ADDRESS THINGS LIKE THEY'LL ADDRESS STRUCTURAL THINGS IF THEY SEE THINGS LIKE CRACKS IN THE BRICK OR CRACKS ON WINDOWS OR SOMETHING, THAT WOULD SUGGEST THERE'S FOUNDATION DAMAGE ON A NORMAL KIND OF RESIDENCE, A SLAB ON GRADE, THAT TYPE OF THING WHERE, YOU KNOW, BUT INSPECTORS, WHEN THEY COME AND LOOK AT A HISTORICAL OLDER HOUSE TO YOUR COMMENT, I THINK THEY THINK, OH, THIS IS AN OLD HOUSE. THEY ALREADY KNOW ALL OF THESE THINGS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WRITE DOWN THE DEFICIENCIES THEY SEE, BUT THEY DON'T GET A LEVEL OUT AND CHECK TO SEE IF WALLS ARE OUT OF PLUMB. YOU KNOW, IT PROBABLY DID SAY ON A REPORT, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT ABOUT MAYBE WINDOWS THAT DON'T OPEN. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. BUT AS FAR AS WALLS BEING OUT OF LEVEL, FLOORS BEING SPONGY THINGS OUT OF PLUMB, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY ADDRESS AND I KNOW THAT THEY DON'T ADDRESS. THEY DIDN'T TAKE ANY MOLD READINGS OR WE DIDN'T DO THAT. FIND THAT UNTIL LATER. SO AND I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER. AND IF IT WAS IN THE REPORT I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT, BUT WHAT DO YOU AS FAR AS TREATMENT OF THE MOLD. WHAT DO YOU I MEAN, IS THERE A IS THERE A TREATMENT PLAN THAT YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT OR. WELL, IS IT IF YOU APPROVE US DEMOLISHING IT THEN. SO THAT'S YOUR THAT'S THE ONLY TREATMENT.
I MEAN IS THERE ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES DEMOLISHING IT THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT? I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THAT. TO TO MR. WEST, BEFORE I ANSWER THAT, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU CAN PROBABLY GET RID OF THE, THE WATER SOURCE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE FIRST STEP, I KNOW. AND THEN SEEING SOMETHING. BUT TO BLEACH THE ENTIRE UNDERNEATH OF A HOUSE SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A TOXIC. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I BELIEVE THERE ARE MOLD REMEDIATION IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH INSPECTIONS. AND THEN IF IT'S FOUND WHERE THERE ARE MOLD REMEDIATION COMPANIES, THAT THAT'S THEIR SOLE FUNCTION IS TO COME ADDRESS THAT. WE'VE USED ONE.
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WE'VE USED MOLD REMEDIATION COMPANY TWICE FOR TWO DIFFERENT HOMES. SO THEY DO EXIST. IT'S COSTLY VERY COSTLY. BUT IT DOES EXIST. WELL YOU KNOW THE. THE SITUATION IS WE'RE GETTING A NUMBER TO WHERE I'M NOT SURE IT'S FEASIBLE TO DO IT. AND SO THEN THEN WHAT DO YOU DO.YOU'VE GOT TO THEN IT STAYS A RENTAL PROPERTY I GUESS BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN'T SELL IT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS IF. AS FAR AS TRYING TO REHAB. I WILL SAY WE HAD A SIMILAR ISSUE OR, YOU KNOW, ITEM COME A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT WE TABLED AND THEN MOVED TO ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE WE WERE ALL KIND OF IN THE SAME SPOT. I THINK THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, SOME STRUGGLES WITH DECIDING, YOU KNOW, TO DEMOLISH A HOME OF THAT CHARACTER. THAT IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY. AND I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE AT THIS BOARD TAKE PRETTY SERIOUSLY, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S OUR PURPOSE, RIGHT, IS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF OF MCKINNEY AND OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND SO I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, THOUGH, THAT WE ARE MAKING THE BEST USE OF OUR TIME. AND JUST IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE THINK CAN BE ANSWERED, MAYBE ASKING THOSE IF, IF ANYONE HAS ANY. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST. FOR NOW. JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M NEW TO THE BOARD. IS IT TYPICAL TO SEE PLANS FOR WHAT WILL REPLACE DEMOLITION BEFORE YOU APPROVE THE DEMOLITION, OR IS IT USUALLY JUST APPROVE THE DEMOLITION WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE? SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CRITERIA THAT FORCES AN APPLICANT TO HAVE ANY SORT OF PLANS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. THEY ARE TO. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO THERE'S ONE FOR THE DEMOLITION. AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY CAN GET ONE FOR THE NEW BUILD. OKAY.
AND THEN THAT TYPICALLY WOULD GO THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING. RIGHT. THAT'S USUALLY STAFF LEVEL OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR REINA OR KASEY. AND THIS IS IS MORE OF A MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION. THERE ARE TWO ACTUALLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT HOW DO WE PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THESE MEDIUM PRIORITY HOUSES OR HIGH PRIORITY HOUSES. AND SO OFTEN THEY COME TO US AND THEY ARE ALREADY IN A CONDITION THAT IS BEYOND REPAIR OR FEASIBLE REPAIR. AND SO I THINK THAT'S MORE MAYBE OF A. I CAN'T THINK OF THE WORD RIGHT NOW, BUT A QUESTION WITHOUT AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. RHETORICAL. THANK YOU. BUT JUST TO KIND OF BRING THAT UP AGAIN BECAUSE WE HATE WE HATE TO DO THIS. WE HATE TO HAVE THESE. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR IT WAS A HIGH OR MEDIUM PRIORITY. ANY OTHER THING THAT I'VE SEEN ONLINE SAYS IT'S A LOW. SURE. WE JUST FOR THE LAST WHATEVER, 3 OR 4 SURVEYS, IT WAS ALWAYS A LOW PRIORITY. YEAH. I MEAN TO YOUR POINT THAT IT IT'S A IT'S A DIFFERENCE IN CRITERIA.
THERE'S SOME CHANGE IN CRITERIA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT I MEAN, THIS HOUSE HAS NOT GOTTEN BETTER WITH AGE. SURE. SO WE DIDN'T JUST DO A LOW TO A MEDIUM OR FROM A, I MEAN A MEDIUM TO A LOW OR I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WAS REALLY GLAD TO HEAR IT WAS A MEDIUM. YEAH. YEAH. WE JUST DID DO A NEW HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY IN 2023. AND SO THAT MAY BE WHY MAYBE IT, YOU KNOW, BECAME OF AGE. I DON'T REMEMBER THE YEAR THAT IT WAS BUILT. 1917 OKAY. SO THEN MAYBE NOT. AND AND MAYBE IT JUST WAS LOOKED AT BY A DIFFERENT COMPANY. THE COMPANY THAT WE DID THE SURVEY WITH MAY HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT THEY USE TO ESTABLISH THE PRIORITY LEVELS. AND SO THERE'S THERE'S QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT'S DIFFERENT CRITERIA. IT'S THE FACT THAT IT'S IT'S THE SAME CRITERIA. BUT THE CRITERIA DOES HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY. AND SO THE COMPANY THAT REVIEWED IT IN 2023 FELT
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THAT YOUR HOME QUALIFIED AS A MEDIUM PRIORITY. AND PART OF THAT IS ALSO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE HOMES, IF IN THE 80S, WHEN THEY SURVEYED IT, THERE WERE 300 HOUSES IN THE DISTRICT THAT LOOKED EXACTLY LIKE YOURS, MAYBE IT WAS A LOW PRIORITY AT THAT POINT. MAYBE NOW THERE ARE ONLY 50 LEFT THAT LOOK LIKE YOURS. I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE ANY RESEARCH ON THAT TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY IT WENT FROM LOW TO MEDIUM, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS RARITY. HOW MANY HOUSES ARE LEFT WITH THAT INTEGRITY? AND THEN AGAIN, JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT COMPANY LOOKING AT IT, AT DIFFERENT PEOPLE EVALUATING THE HOME.YEAH. AND ONE OTHER THING, KATHY, HOW CAN WE AS A COMMUNITY INFORM PEOPLE THAT WHEN THEY BUY HOUSES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT THIS IS A BIG DEAL AND THEY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THE HOUSE, SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. AND BEFORE THEY BUY IT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HUGE DEAL. I FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS SITUATION, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT MY GOAL ON THIS OR MY PURPOSE SERVING ON THIS BOARD IS WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE HOUSES LIKE THIS. SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO BETTER INFORM PEOPLE OF WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN THEY BUY A HOUSE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? MY OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS JUST ABOUT PRIORITY DESIGNATION WHEN THEY DO THE SURVEY, OBVIOUSLY I KNOW IT WAS A LONG TIME BETWEEN THE MORE RECENT SURVEY AND THIS LAST ONE, BUT DOES THAT INCLUDE A REVIEW OF THE CONDITION OF THE HOME LIKE, IS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THEY ARE ESTABLISHING PRIORITY? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T GO INTO THE HOUSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I KNOW IT'S YEAH. SO WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT PRIORITY, THEY LOOK IT'S NOT REALLY CONDITION AS MUCH AS INTEGRITY. AND THEY'RE ALSO ONLY DOING THAT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO THINGS SUCH AS FOUNDATION OR MOLD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO SEE THAT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY KIND OF TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SO IF IT WAS AN INTEGRITY ISSUE WHERE THREE OF THE WINDOWS WERE GONE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD SEE. BUT SOMETHING LIKE A WINDOW NOT OPENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT. YEAH. YOU WOULD TO YOUR POINT, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SOMETHING THAT A REALTOR CAN OR A BOX TO CHECK IN AN MLS OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS THIS IS A HOME THAT YOU'RE LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO MUCH WITH FROM CHANGING ANYTHING ON THE OUTSIDE OF IT. ONE, IT WOULD BE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S PROBABLY ASKING TOO MUCH FOR ANYBODY TO KNOW THE CONDITION OF A HOME, BUT BUT THERE OUGHT TO BE A SOMETHING. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S A TOUGH SITUATION WHEN SOMEBODY CAN BUY A HOME AND THEN REALIZE, OH, I NOW OWN THIS HOME AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT, CAN'T LIVE IN IT. YEAH, I CAN'T LIVE IN IT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S A YES IT IS. IT'S. YEAH. IT'S DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE. OKAY. WELL DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU BOTH FOR ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION. AND AGAIN REINA, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE CAN MOVE TO APPROVE OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. DENY OR ASK FOR A 90 DAY DELAY. THAT'S CORRECT OKAY. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST TO GRANT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION OF 1505 WEST LOUISIANA STREET, OKAY. MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER ISAAC TO DENY THE ITEM. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER PRIOR ROBERTSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND CAST YOUR VOTE, PLEASE. OKAY. AND THIS ITEM HAS BEEN DENIED. I APOLOGIZE WITH A
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VOTE OF SIX TO DENY AND ONE TO. AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE INFORMATION SHARING ITEMS. SOMETHING WEIRD. 253342 UPDATE ON MUNICIPAL COMPLEX EXHIBIT EXHIBIT PROJECT CASSIE BUMGARNER WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. SO I'M JUST HERE TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE. I KNOW PREVIOUSLY, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER BARRY SHELTON CAME BEFORE Y'ALL AND HAD ASKED YOU TO GIVE SOME INFORMATION THAT WOULD THEN GO INTO EXHIBIT PANELS, WHICH WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL. AFTER WE WORKED ON THAT INFORMATION IN BOTH A REGULAR SESSION AND A WORK SESSION. STAFF WITH COMMUNICATIONS, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND PLANNING. WE'VE KIND OF BEEN WORKING THROUGH WHAT TO DO WITH THE INFORMATION, HOW TO CONSOLIDATE IT TO FIT ON THESE PANELS. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE AT, ESSENTIALLY JUST JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THIS. AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THEM. IT IS LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, KIND OF A TIMELINE EXHIBIT. SO WE START AT THE VERY BEGINNING. WE'VE GOT STORIES OF GROWTH, COMMUNITY AND CHANGE. THEN THERE'S ALSO AN ACTUAL KIND OF TIMELINE THAT YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT IT. WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE PANELS OUTSIDE, THEY'RE KIND OF A TRIANGLE. SO YOU'LL SEE ON ONE SIDE IT'LL BE THIS MCKINNEY THROUGH TIME, A COMMUNITY'S JOURNEY. AND THEN RIGHT BESIDE OF IT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE TIMELINE. SO THERE ARE 16 OF THEM INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. WE TALK ABOUT COLONIZING NORTH TEXAS, THE COUNTY SEAT. THEN WE'VE GOT THE INTERURBAN. WE HAD. I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS DOING THE COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THOSE ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN HERE. AND AS YOU'LL SEE, THEY'RE KIND OF HISTORIC PHOTOS AS WELL AS MODERN DAY PHOTOS. THEN THERE'S SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE ICE HOUSE, THE COTTON MILL, AND THE FLOUR MILL. AND THEN ANOTHER PANEL ABOUT THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS. YES. DOTY, THE VAGUS. AND THEN WE KIND OF TRANSITION INTO PRESENT DAY, HOW WE'RE SO ROOTED IN HISTORY.BUT WE ARE EVER CHANGING. AND THEN AGAIN, SOME MORE MODERN DAY PHOTOS. AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST INFORMATION SHARING. JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO SEE THAT WE DID TAKE THAT INFORMATION, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET THESE ON PANELS. IF I UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE CORRECTLY, WE'RE LOOKING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS TO HAVE THEM ACTUALLY PRINTED OUT SO THAT WE CAN PUT THEM UP. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK, AND I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF ME. CATHY. THIS I THINK THESE LOOK AMAZING. I AND IMMEDIATELY OFF THE BAT WHEN THE FIRST ONE PULLED UP. I JUST LOVE THE DESIGN OF IT. THESE ARE BEAUTIFUL. THIS IS. AND THE CONTENT, JUST FROM WHAT WE COULD SEE JUST FLASHING THROUGH. LOOKS REALLY GOOD. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH COMMUNICATIONS DID A GREAT JOB ON THE DESIGN AND Y'ALL CONTRIBUTED ALL THE CONTENT. SO KUDOS TO Y'ALL. AMAZING LOOK VERY NICE. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW IF JOHANNA WAS HERE SHE WOULD WANT TO ASK IT. BUT IS THERE ANY INDICATION ON THE ICE HOUSE. PAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT THIS BEING THE FORMER LOCATION AND THEN POINTING TO THE. THE LITTLE MEMORIAL GARDEN? IT IS. YEAH. SO IT'S AT THE VERY END THERE. THE ICE HOUSE WAS MOVED IN 2022. BUT IT'S LEGACY IN INDIA'S IN THE REFLECTION GARDEN NEAR THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF MCKINNEY CITY HALL. I KNOW THAT'S HARD TO READ, SO YEAH, NO, WE JUST PASSED THROUGH. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TO READ THROUGH, BUT OKAY, COOL. YEAH.
GOOD TO KNOW. WELL, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU CASSIE. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? ANYONE YOU CAN COME UP. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE BOARD, PLEASE. BOARD
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MEMBERS, MY NAME IS BRIAN WYATT. I LIVE AT 2112 AUGUSTA. I'M SORRY I WAS LATE. THIS WAS MY FIRST MEETING. I DROVE FROM FORNEY HERE. THIS IS AS QUICK AS I CAN GET HERE. JUST WANTED TO CONVEY I'M EXCITED TO BE AN ALTERNATE THIS YEAR. YEAH. AWESOME. I GOT TO CATCH THE TAIL END OF ONE OF THOSE I SEE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ORIENTATION AND JUST WANTED TO CONVEY I'M EXCITED TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD AS AN ALTERNATE. I'LL BE HERE. YOU KNOW, NORMALLY THIS IS NOT THE NORM. WANT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF? THANK YOU FOR COMING. GREAT. WELCOME. WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU. YES. AND TO THAT POINT, WE ALSO HAVE OUR NEW BOARD MEMBER HERE, LISA HAMMETT.SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND JOINING OUR BOARD. WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU AND CARRY NOT CARRY KIM. YOU ARE A FULL MEMBER NOW. SO YEAH, YOUR FIRST FULL MEETING. THAT'S AWESOME.
WE'RE EXCITED. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. YEAH.
OF COURSE. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT? DO THE BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF HAVE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY ONE THING. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. AS SOME OF YOU ALL MAY KNOW, UNDERTOLD MCKINNEY IS AN INITIATIVE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER, TORI BROWN, HAS BEEN WORKING ON. SO AFTER WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY GROUP, SCHOOL WAS SELECTED AS GETTING AN UNDERTOLD MARKER. OR AT LEAST WE'RE APPLYING FOR AN UNDERTOLD MARKER. THAT APPLICATION HAS FORMALLY BEEN SUBMITTED NOW, AND NOW WE WAIT UNTIL FEBRUARY OR MARCH TO HEAR BACK, BUT FEEL FREE TO LOOK AT THE WEBSITE. I CAN SEND OUT A LINK AFTER THE MEETING WHERE YOU CAN SEE UPDATES. YEAH, OKAY. GREAT. AWESOME. I'LL JUST SAY REAL QUICK THAT IF YOU KNOW ABOUT SOME OF OUR EAST SIDE LEGACY TELLERS, LEONARD GONZALES IS TURNING 85 AND THEY'RE HAVING A SURPRISE BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR HIM RIGHT NOW AT THE HOLY FAMILY CHURCH ON LINCOLN STREET. SO EVERYONE IS WELCOME. THERE WILL BE KING CUPS, TACOS, AND IT GOES UNTIL EIGHT. SO EVERYONE IS WELCOME. LEONARD GONZALEZ, HE'S BIG NAME.
THEY CALL HIM EL JEFE, WHICH IS THE BOSS. SO THAT'S GREAT. THE BIG DEAL OVER THERE ON THE EAST SIDE, I LOVE THAT. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? SO.
MOVED A MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER ISAAC TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WHO WAS THAT? LISA. OKAY, A SECOND BY BOARD MEMBER HAMMITT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WAIT A MINUTE. NOPE. I ALWAYS JUST WANT TO GO. WHERE IS IT? OKAY.
AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT
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