Dec 02, 2025 City Council Work Session

[CALL TO ORDER]

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AFTERNOON. IT'S 3 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S WORK SESSION. IT'S TUESDAY, DECEMBER THE 2ND, 3 P.M. WELCOME TO CITY HALL. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS

[PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]

DAX BEVERLY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF. MY NAME IS DAX BEVERLY, AND I'M A MCKINNEY RESIDENT SPEAKING TODAY IN SUPPORT OF ALLOWING TRAP NEUTER RETURN ACTIVITIES IN OUR CITY. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION. I APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY IS PRIORITIZING THIS ISSUE AND WORKING TOWARD A THOUGHTFUL PLAN. I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO AMEND OUR ORDINANCES SO THAT TNR IS NO LONGER PROHIBITED IN MCKINNEY. AS YOU REVIEW THE DIFFERENT TIERS OF POTENTIAL POLICY, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR AT LEAST STARTING WITH THE SIMPLEST SCENARIO, THE OPTION WITH MINIMAL STAFF INVOLVEMENT. THIS PLAN OFFERS A STRAIGHTFORWARD, COST EFFECTIVE PATH FOR RESIDENTS TO LEGALLY AND RESPONSIBLY CONDUCT TNR WITHOUT PLACING ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL OR OPERATIONAL DEMANDS ON THE CITY. THIS APPROACH ALLOWS VOLUNTEER CITIZENS TO TRAP, STERILIZE, VACCINATE AND RETURN FERAL CATS AT OUR OWN COST, WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE CYCLE OF INTAKE AND EUTHANASIA ASSOCIATED WITH ANIMAL SERVICES. RIGHT NOW, TNR IS PROHIBITED, WHICH DISCOURAGES RESIDENTS FROM TAKING ANY ACTION AT ALL. MOST PEOPLE WILL NOT TRAP A HEALTHY OUTDOOR CAT SIMPLY TO HAVE IT EUTHANIZED. ALLOWING MINIMAL INVOLVEMENT TNR GIVES CITIZENS A LEGAL, HUMANE AND COST SAVING WAY TO REDUCE COLONY NUMBERS OVER TIME. IT SHIFTS THE WORKLOAD AND FINANCIAL BURDEN AWAY FROM THE CITY AND INTO THE HANDS OF WILLING VOLUNTEERS WHO WANT TO HELP. I RECOGNIZE THERE ARE CHALLENGES, SUCH AS LIMITED WAYS TO MONITOR COLONIES, AS WELL AS DIFFICULTY ADDRESSING COMPLAINTS, BUT THESE CHALLENGES ALREADY EXIST TODAY. UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY, PROHIBITING TNR DOESN'T SOLVE THESE ISSUES, AND IF ANYTHING, IT MAKES THEM HARDER TO ADDRESS. IN SHORT, I'M RESPECTFULLY ASKING THE COUNCIL TO AMEND THE ORDINANCES SO THAT RESPONSIBLE, HUMANE TNR EFFORTS ARE PERMITTED IN MCKINNEY. THIS POLICY CHANGE IS COST EFFECTIVE AND EMPOWERS THE COMMUNITY TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. NEXT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT. SPEAKER JASON SCHUCHARD. JASON, I APOLOGIZE IF I'VE MISSED PRONOUNCED YOUR NAME. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. MY NAME IS JASON SCHUHART. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE DALLAS WHITE ROCK MARATHON ORGANIZATION. WITH ME TODAY IS JODY JORDAN, OPERATIONS DIRECTOR. WE ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT HAS A SINCERE PASSION FOR HOSTING FIRST CLASS RUNNING EVENTS IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. CURRENTLY, WE HOST THE BMW DALLAS MARATHON COMING UP NEXT WEEK, WHICH WILL SEE OVER 30,000 PARTICIPANTS. THIS WILL BE OUR 54TH ANNIVERSARY WEEKEND. WE ARE THE OFFICIAL MARATHON OF CITY OF DALLAS IN TEXAS IS LONGEST RUNNING MARATHON. WE HAVE A DESIRE TO BRING A NEW MAJOR HALF MARATHON EVENT TO COLLIN COUNTY, AND WE BELIEVE MCKINNEY IS THE ABSOLUTE PERFECT PLACE TO HOST THIS EVENT. WE ARE SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT TODAY TO CREATE A TRUE WIN WIN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, ITS RESIDENTS AND LOCAL BUSINESSES. OUR TEAM HAS THE EXPERIENCE, EXPERTISE AND RESOURCES TO MAKE THIS A SEAMLESS EXPERIENCE FOR ALL INVOLVED. SO WE'RE HERE TO SEEK YOUR SUPPORT AND ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. JASON. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT. THAT IS THAT'S OUR LAST SPEAKER. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA, OUR AGENDA ITEMS FOR OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS PULL DOWNS ANYONE? NOPE. I'LL

[Consider/Discuss the Capital Improvements Advisory Committee]

HELLO. THANK YOU. MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS HALEY ANGEL PLANNING MANAGER. AND I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO WAY BACK IN JULY, THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE DID HOLD A WORK SESSION ITEM TO TALK ABOUT HOW LEGISLATIVE CHANGES IMPACT VARIOUS BOARDS. AND SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR CIAC,

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YOU WILL EVENTUALLY SEE THAT AS OUR SEMI ANNUAL IMPACT FEE REPORT, WHICH COMES AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME EVERY YEAR. SO THOSE ARE PREDICTABLE. WITH THE IMPACT FEE UPDATE, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE UP IN THE AIR BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HOW THAT LONG TERM PROJECT GOES, BUT WE USUALLY HAVE A GENERAL IDEA AND CAN GIVE THEM SOME HEADS UP BEFORE IT BEING A LAST MINUTE MEETING. HALEY, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BE TAKING NOMINATIONS FOR OR DECIDING WHO IS GOING TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. WE FIGURED WE WOULD GET THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS BEFORE WE STARTED THAT PROCESS. JANUARY. YES.

OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR THIS. I WILL JUST SAY THAT I'VE GOT KIND OF A LOW COMMITMENT BIAS TO HAVING SEVEN, JUST BECAUSE MOST OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE SEVEN, AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A LACK OF, YOU KNOW, REALLY GOOD, INTERESTED PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO SERVE THE CITY. WE HAVE A TON OF THEM. SO MY ADVICE WOULD BE SEVEN. BUT IF ANYONE'S GOT A COGENT ARGUMENT TO MAKE IT FIVE, THEN I'LL CERTAINLY BE AMENABLE TO THAT. I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO MENTION THAT AS WELL. I THINK SEVEN IS GOOD. SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I SEE WITH BOARDS THAT DON'T MEET FREQUENTLY AND REGULARLY IS THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE TO MEET ATTENDANCE, AND SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH ONLY TWICE A YEAR. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE, LET'S SAY, A BAD FLU SEASON OR IT'S TRAVEL SEASON, THAT WE MAY HAVE 2 OR 3

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PART OF WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS WHAT IS QUORUM? AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 3 AND 4. SO IT'S ONE PERSON DIFFERENT IF WE SCALE UP TO. AND JUST BECAUSE THOSE SEMIANNUAL MEETINGS ARE THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY MINISTERIAL. BUT IT IS PRETTY REGIMENTED ON WHAT YOU REVIEW AND WHAT YOU APPROVE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS SUBJECTIVE LIKE A SITE PLAN DESIGN EXCEPTION FOR PNC. THAT'S WHY WE FELT COMFORTABLE. IF WORST CASE, WE ONLY HAD THREE PEOPLE SHOW UP, YOU KNOW, WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS STILL A SOLID REVIEW, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT THERE WOULD BE A LARGER REPRESENTATION OF FOLKS IN THE INDUSTRY. BUT OF COURSE, WE'RE AMENABLE EITHER WAY. REALLY WANTING TO ANYONE ELSE. I LIKE THE SEVEN. THAT WAY WE CAN ALL NOMINATE ONE, WHICH MAKES SENSE FOR ALL OF OUR BOARDS, BUT. SO YOU WANT TO BE NUMBER FOUR. THERE'S MOMENTUM FOR SEVEN MEMBERS. I'M FINE WITH SEVEN. I JUST I KIND OF DIFFER WITH YOU. DOCTOR FELT I THINK IT MIGHT BE KIND OF HARD TO FIND QUALIFIED PEOPLE FOR THIS BOARD. I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING THEY GOT TO MEET CERTAIN QUALIFICATIONS. MOST OF OUR BOARDS, YOU CAN JUST BE A CITIZEN AND YOU KNOW, AND SERVE. BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW THAT MEET THE CRITERIA. BUT YEAH, JUST ANECDOTALLY, MICHAEL, I WAS KIND OF GOING THROUGH OUR CANDIDATE RESUMES THAT WE GOT THIS SUMMER AND IDENTIFYING PEOPLE. AND BOY, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE ENGINEERS THAT WOULD BE WELL QUALIFIED FOR THIS BOARD. I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE HARD TO FIND FOUR PEOPLE FOR THIS. IS THAT A DECISION WE NEED TO MAKE AT THIS MOMENT, IF POSSIBLE? SO THAT WAY WE CAN, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO CODIFY IT IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE MOVING FORWARD. IF YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS OR THINGS YOU WANT US TO INVESTIGATE, WE CAN STILL, OF COURSE, TAKE THAT BACK AND LOOK INTO IT. BUT IDEALLY TODAY. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? RICK. NO, I'M I'M GOOD WITH SEVEN.

I'M GOOD WITH FIVE. I HAVE NO BIAS EITHER WAY. OKAY FINE. YEAH WE DO. I WAS JUST MAKING A COMMENT. WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE MEETING BEFORE WE HIT JANUARY ANYWAY, RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD I'VE ALREADY LOOKED THROUGH MY CANDIDATE PACKET. I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE MORE THAN FOUR THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS. BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO KIND OF TAKE SOME TIME AND GO BACK THROUGH THOSE PACKETS AND THEN MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT, I THINK IT'S I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOME TIME. SOUNDS LIKE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I THINK, YEAH, THAT WOULD WORK. WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK. CERTAINLY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. OKAY. LET'S DO THAT. HALEY, BRING THAT BACK ON THE 18TH. THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WITH THIS 16,

[Update on the ONE McKinney 2040 Comprehensive Plan and Development Process Pt. 2]

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AND SO AS WE BRING IN A NEW CASE OR A REZONING, A SITE PLAN STAFF TAKES A MUCH CLOSER VIEW AT THIS AND THEN GOES INTO SOME OTHER DECISION MAKING CRITERIA TO FORMULATE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. JUST TO DISCUSS THE OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. THERE ARE SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME OUT OF THE CREATION OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT CREATES THAT POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT WE CAN LEAN ON AND SAY THAT WE HAVE THIS COMMUNITY WIDE VISION THAT HELPS US MAKE THESE DECISIONS. IT UPDATES OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, TRYING TO CREATE REGULATION THAT'S BIRTHED OUT OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH IS THAT ALIGNED COMMUNITY VISION. BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME CHALLENGES. STATE PREEMPTION IS BECOMING MORE COMMON EVERY TWO YEARS. EXAMPLES THIS YEAR IN SB 840 AND SB 15, THERE'S RAPID GROWTH THAT CAN GROW IN WAYS THAT WE DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY EXPECT. COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE GENERALLY EVERY TEN, 12, 15 YEARS. WE'RE CLOSE TO AN UPDATE AT THIS POINT, NEEDING AN UPDATE, AND THINGS CAN CHANGE DRASTICALLY BETWEEN THOSE. AND SO HOW CAN WE TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE UPDATES? DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES ARE OCCURRING AND ECONOMIC SHIFTS. AND SO SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE CHALLENGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WHAT IS EVERYONE'S ROLE. AND SO WE EACH PLAY A DIFFERENT ROLE STAFF THE PUBLIC P AND Z BOARDS AND CITY COUNCIL. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS SPECIFICALLY WHAT THOSE ROLES ARE FROM THE STAFF. WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE UDC SUB AREA PLANS. WHAT ARE THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE SEE AT OUR CONFERENCES OR OUR SISTER CITIES OR CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY DOING? WHAT'S THE SPECIFIC AREA CONTEXT? LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT THIS 10,000 FOOT VISION. WHEN THAT APPLICATION COMES IN, HOW DO WE DRILL INTO THAT? AND THEN THE PUBLIC, THEY GET THE NOTICE IN THE MAIL. MAYBE THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE WITH US IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS. MAYBE THEY WERE BUSY, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE CHILD CARE TO GET TO THAT MEETING. BUT NOW THAT THERE'S AN APPLICATION DOWN THE STREET, THEY WANT TO BE ENGAGED AND MAYBE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION FROM THE REST OF THEIR NEIGHBORS WHEN THAT MEETING OCCURRED. AND SO THOSE LOCALIZED INTERESTS COME INTO PLAY. AND THAT'S THEIR ROLE, THOSE PERSONAL EXPERIENCES, THEIR PERCEPTION. AND THEN WE TAKE THESE THINGS TO OUR BOARDS.

THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO ALIGN THOSE APPLICATIONS AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE PLANS AND CODE, EXCUSE ME, AND THE CODES TO DO THAT. RESEARCH AND CONSIDERATION OF OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN WE COMBINE ALL THAT AND BRING IT ALL TO YOU WHO HAVE THE UNIQUE PRIVILEGE OF TRYING TO BALANCE ALL OF THESE THINGS WITH STRATEGIC GOALS, WITH TIMING AND CONTEXT AND THE CITYWIDE CONTEXT, OR, EXCUSE ME, CITYWIDE IMPACTS. AND SO ULTIMATELY, EVEN WHEN OUTCOMES DIFFER, STAFF HAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE COUNCIL DECISION. THERE ARE MANY WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN ALL STILL BE FULFILLING OUR ROLES EXACTLY AS INTENDED. SO JUST TAKING A STEP BACK, LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHAT DO WE DO WHEN YOU APPLY TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR YOU? WE ALWAYS OFFER OPTIONAL PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS. THIS IS A ALL CARDS ON THE TABLE. NO REQUIREMENTS, NO DEADLINES AND DUE DATES COME IN. SHOW US WHAT YOUR IDEAS ARE AND WE'LL GIVE YOU FREE ADVICE. FREE FEEDBACK. HEY, THIS IS WHERE IT DOES ALIGN, DOESN'T ALIGN WITH OUR CODES. BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE SUBMITTAL PROCESS THEN WE GO TOWARDS THAT SUBMISSION. WE CHECK IT FOR COMPLETENESS. WE DO AN INITIAL REVIEW AND SOMETIMES IT CAN GO BACK AND FORTH. AS WE GIVE BACK COMMENTS. WE'RE CHECKING OUR POLICIES, WE'RE CHECKING OUR UDC. ULTIMATELY, WE BOTH COME TO A PLACE WHERE THEY WANT TO TAKE IT FORWARD, AND WE WRITE THAT STAFF REPORT, MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION. IT COMES FORWARD FOR PRS AND COUNCIL HEARINGS. JUST A COUPLE QUICK EXAMPLES FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT GUIDE OF THE PROCEDURES.

TYPICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE WITH DISCRETIONARY APPROVALS IS ZONING AND SITE PLANS. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE FLOWCHART THERE OF THE PROCESS FOR ZONING APPROVAL. SAME THING FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND THEN WHERE DO WE GO FROM OUR DECISION MAKING CRITERIA. AND SO WE USE THIS LIST OF TEN THINGS TO SAY OKAY YOU'VE BROUGHT IN THIS THIS CONCEPT OR THIS IDEA. MAYBE IT DOESN'T FIT PERFECTLY INTO WHAT THAT 10,000 VIEW SAYS 10,000 FOOT VIEW. BUT WE CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE CHECKING OFF FOUR OR 5 OR 6 OF THESE THINGS. AND IT DOES ALIGN WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND SO FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT WE CAN SAY EITHER YOU DO OR YOU DON'T MEET THE VISION AND THE

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AND SO JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL A BETTER IDEA, AND WE DISCUSSED WANTING TO ADD THIS INTO OUR MANAGER'S NOTES. AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE DO PRESENT A DIRECTOR'S REPORT TO OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT SHOWS, HEY, HERE'S ALL THE CASES THAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU OVER THE PAST YEAR. THIS WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS WHAT PNC ACTION WAS, AND THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL ULTIMATELY DECIDED. AND WE SAW THAT A 36 CASES UP UNTIL THIS REPORT WAS GIVEN THIS FISCAL OR EXCUSE ME, THIS CALENDAR YEAR, 33 OUT OF THE 36 CASES, ALL THREE RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDATION AND ULTIMATE DECISION WERE ALIGNED. THERE WERE ONLY THREE CASES IN WHICH THEY WEREN'T. AND SO, AGAIN, I THINK GOING BACK INTO JUST THE DATA AND LOOKING AT WHAT THAT MEANS, I THINK THAT IN GENERAL WE CAN SAY THAT THE PROCESS IS WORKING AS INTENDED. ANOTHER DISCUSSION TO HAVE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF THESE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS COMING BACK. THE CITY OF MCKINNEY IS IN A VERY INTERESTING PLACE RIGHT NOW.

75% OF OUR CURRENT CITY LIMITS IS DEVELOPED, 25% IS LEFT, AND A LOT OF THAT IS FLOODPLAIN.

AND SO I THINK AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE AND MORE OF THOSE UNIQUE, DIFFERENT KINDS OF PARCELS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS THAT MIGHT NOT FIT THAT SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE. AND SO I THINK THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE A TIME WHEN OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TURNS A LOT MORE TOWARDS REDEVELOPMENT THAN THIS CONTINUING SPRAWL OF NEW GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT. THAT MEANS MORE CITIZEN INPUT, MORE DISCUSSION, AND MORE DISCRETION UPON YOUR PART. JUST TO KIND OF VISUALIZE THAT ON A MAP. THIS IS JUST TAKING OUR CURRENT PLANNING MAP AND HIGHLIGHTING ALL OF THE AREAS THAT ARE CODED AS VACANT OR UNDEVELOPED THROUGH COLLIN COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AND SO YES, THERE ARE SOME INFILL SITES THAT ARE STILL THERE, BUT GENERALLY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THINGS ON THE EDGE AND A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR HISTORIC EAST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD, THOSE VACANT LOTS. AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE SAY THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT OR INFILL CASES COMING IN. AND AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A CASE OUT ON THE EDGE, IT'S A DIFFERENT SCENARIO THAN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INFILL CASE.

THIS IS ONE THAT CAME MOST RECENTLY. THERE ARE SOME ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THERE.

THERE'S SOME ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, BUT IN GENERAL IT'S A LOT OF AGRICULTURAL LAND. IT'S UNDEVELOPED. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE AS MANY PEOPLE COMING IN. NOT NOT NEARLY AS MANY PEOPLE GOT THAT 200 FOOT NOTICE. RIGHT. AND SO THE STAFF APPLICANT AND COUNCIL HAVE A LOT MORE INFLUENCE AND CONTROL WITHOUT NECESSARILY GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THOSE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS. STILL, AS A STAFF, WE LOOK AT OUR COMP PLAN ALIGNMENT, THE CONFORMANCE WITH UDC, CONTEXT SENSITIVE, ALL THE THINGS THAT MAKE SURE IT FITS WITHIN OUR PROCESS. BUT WHEN YOU TAKE AN EXAMPLE THAT'S MORE INFILL, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SPCA SITE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING THOSE NOTICES. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME IN AND HAVE DISCUSSION AND INPUT ON A MORE PRIORITY SITE, OR SOMETHING THAT'S MORE VISIBLE TO EXISTING RESIDENTS, AND YET WE STILL ARE GOING TO TRY AND FOLLOW THAT SAME PROCESS. DOES IT MEET OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? YES. DOES IT MEET THE UDC REQUIREMENTS? YES. OKAY. MAYBE THERE'S SOME DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL FOR, BUT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO MAKE THOSE CONTEXT SENSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU ALL AS WE BRING THESE THINGS FORWARD. TO DIVE INTO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON A STAFF REPORT, WE TRY AND DRAW FROM OUR DECISION MAKING CRITERIA AND PULL IT RIGHT INTO THE STAFF REPORT. SO CONFORMANCE WITH THE 2040 PLAN IS ALWAYS IN OUR STAFF REPORTS WHEN WE'RE MAKING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND WE'LL HIGHLIGHT SPECIFICALLY WHERE THIS APPLICATION MEETS EITHER OUR DISTRICTS OR THOSE THE PLACE TYPES. RIGHT. SO THE URBAN LIVING PLACE TYPE IN THIS EXAMPLE ALIGNED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS, IS THAT TO ANOTHER DEGREE. RIGHT. AND SO WE'VE GOT LONG TIME RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE THAT MAYBE THEY WERE MAYBE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, AS I DISCUSSED. BUT THEN WHEN THAT APPLICATION COMES IN, THAT'S THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO COME MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD, MAKE THEIR DESIRES KNOWN. AND SO WE STILL FOLLOW OUR PROCESS OF, WELL, DOES IT ALIGN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE GOALS THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN, DIRECTION AS STAFF FROM THE COMMUNITY WILL MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN YOU ALL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THAT CITIZEN INPUT AND RESPOND ACCORDINGLY AS YOU SEE

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THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. ANYONE? GIVEN THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING THAT THE PACE WE'RE DEVELOPING, IT WOULD BE WISE TO REMAIN SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE AND NOT LOCKED IN AND, YOU KNOW, BE MORE GRAY AND LESS BLACK AND WHITE. ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

[Consider/Discuss Potential Trap-Neuter-Release Options]

THIS AFTERNOON, I'M JUST GOING TO TALK BRIEFLY AND TRY TO GET YOUR GUYS'S GUIDANCE ON THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF STAFF INVOLVEMENT TO ALLOW TRAP NEUTER RELEASE WITHIN CITY.

MCKINNEY, PREVIOUSLY, OUR ANIMAL SERVICES MANAGER, HANNAH GOLDEN, HAD PROVIDED YOU WITH A LOT OF REALLY GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT TRAP NEUTER RELEASE IS, OR TNR. THAT INCLUDED DISCUSSING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND BENEFITS WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS ARE CURRENTLY DOING. AND AGAIN, THIS PRESENTATION IS INTENDED TO GET YOUR GUIDANCE ON HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD TO ALLOW THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY WITHIN MCKINNEY.

THE KIND OF OUTLINE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE COULD DO. WE PUT OUT KIND OF A SLIDING SCALE FROM THE LEAST AMOUNT OF STAFF INVOLVEMENT TO THE MOST STAFF INVOLVEMENT. THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL KIND OF DIVE INTO THOSE AND ADJUSTMENTS WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE AT THE STAFF LEVEL. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO AMEND OUR ORDINANCES, ADD A COUPLE OF DEFINITIONS TO ALLOW TNR, OR TO ESSENTIALLY NOT PROHIBIT TNR ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD REQUIRE NO ADDITIONAL STAFF TIME, NO ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT WOULD ALLOW FOLKS THAT WANT TO DO THIS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHIN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. THE NEXT OPTION, A MODERATE AMOUNT OF STAFF INVOLVEMENT. WE WOULD AGAIN AMEND THE ORDINANCES IN THE SAME WAY, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE ANIMAL SERVICES MANAGER APPROVAL. SO SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT ESSENTIALLY A REGISTRATION FORM. WE WOULD REVIEW THAT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A POINT OF CONTACT. SHOULD THERE BE ANY ISSUES FROM THAT COLONY OR THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY THAT WE COULD FOLLOW UP WITH AND BEGIN TO WORK WITH TO RESOLVE THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES? WE WOULD ALSO WANT TO HAVE TRAPS AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD LOAN OUT TO FOLKS.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WITH TNR, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO SPAY AND NEUTER AS MANY CATS AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY DON'T CONTINUE TO REPRODUCE IN THAT AREA. AND THEN AT THE HIGH STAFF INVOLVEMENT, WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT I JUST MENTIONED WITH THE MODERATE STAFF INVOLVEMENT, BUT THEN WE WOULD ALSO CREATE A SPONSOR PROGRAM WHERE WE WOULD HAVE FOLKS OR ORGANIZATIONS WHO SPONSOR CARETAKERS, AND SO THE CARETAKERS WOULD BE THE ONES THAT REALLY MANAGE THESE COLONIES. THERE WOULD BE A FINANCIAL COST TO THOSE CARETAKERS. THERE WOULD BE REGISTRATION DATA COLLECTION FROM OUR STAFF, AND THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL TO BASIC SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TO MCKINNEY RESIDENTS SHOULD WE DECIDE TO GO THAT ROUTE AS WELL. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND APPRECIATE YOUR GUIDANCE. PHILIP, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I HAVE A THOUGHT, PHIL, AND WE CAN WORKSHOP THIS OR YOU COULD DISMISS IT. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT WASN'T ON THE SLIDES IS THAT THE THE HARD COST TO THIS IS THE ACTUAL NEUTERING. AND IN THE LOW STAFF INVOLVEMENT, WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED ANY CLARITY TO MOTIVATED CITIZENS TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT BE. AND I'M WONDERING IF WE COULDN'T AS A CITY CONTACT SOME VETS, DETERMINE IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF A FIXED PRICE THAT CITIZENS MIGHT PAY SO THEY COULD BE EDUCATED ON IT, AND MAYBE PUT THOSE VETS PHONE NUMBERS ON A WEB PAGE FOR TRAP NEUTER RELEASE SO THEY WOULD KNOW THAT THESE VETS ARE ACCOMMODATIVE OF THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND THEY COULD PERHAPS GET SOME PRICE TRANSPARENCY ON IT. THAT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY STAFF INVOLVEMENT. THAT MAY BE OCCASIONALLY TEMPORARY, RIGHT. IT MIGHT BE. WE UPDATE IT ONCE A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ABSOLUTELY. WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION FOR FOLKS THAT COULD GET THAT OFF OF OUR WEBSITE. THANKS. AND I'LL MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT THAT I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS. NOW. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PLANNING COMING UP WHERE WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, NEXT YEAR'S PRIORITIES COMING UP PROBABLY

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AND IF WE DO WANT TO SEE ABOUT MAKING IT MORE ROBUST NEXT YEAR WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET. SO THANK YOU FOR THIS, PHIL. ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE WELCOME. PHIL. THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS JUST IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRETTY EASY TO WADE INTO THIS THING WHERE YOU CAN DO THE FIRST ONE. AND IF I LIKE PATRICK'S IDEA WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HOLD SOME HANDS OR GIVE SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU WANT CITIZENS TO ACT DURING OR TO BEST PRACTICES, SO TO SPEAK.

AND IF IF THERE IS MORE STRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED, IT'S EASY TO TAKE THAT NEXT STEP TO SAY TRAPS ARE AN ISSUE AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THEM AVAILABLE TO RENT SO YOU CAN GET FEEDBACK AND WADE INTO THAT AS IT'S EXPERIENCED. SO I THINK THE FIRST ONE'S AN EASY ONE.

I'M KIND OF UP TO Y'ALL ON HOW FAR INTO THAT SECOND ONE YOU WANT TO GO, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME PRETTY EASY STEPS THERE, BUT IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE IT MAY COME FROM SOME GUIDANCE AND INVOLVEMENT WITH CITIZENS. SO BUT I'M ALL FOR THE FIRST ONE FOR SURE.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST ROUTE TO ALLOW FOLKS TO BEGIN TO DO THIS. AND WE CAN EVALUATE WHAT THOSE EFFORTS LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND ASK FOR ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS. ANYONE ELSE? PHILIP. BUT I LIKE THE MINIMAL STAFF INVOLVEMENT AS WELL. OKAY. AND THEN IF TO COUNCILMAN CLAUDIA'S POINT IF IF IF AS WE GET INTO THIS IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO READDRESS THIS OR ADDRESS IT AGAIN IN THE BUDGET CYCLE, WE'LL DO THAT AT THAT TIME. SOUND GOOD? ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DAX, WHO PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS. DAX BROUGHT THIS UP AND NOT SOMETHING THAT I EVER THOUGHT ABOUT. BUT AS I TALKED TO PEOPLE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, EVERYBODY AGREED THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA. EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO SAID, YEAH, WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS SORT OF THING. SO I'M JUST I'M JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE DAX THAT DAX HAS KIND OF LED THROUGH THIS. BROUGHT IT UP. BEEN HERE AT EVERY MEETING TO TO ADVOCATE FOR IT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THEM. SO, MR. HUBBARD, WILL YOU PLEASE THANK YOUR TEAM ON OUR BEHALF? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU,

[Parks and Recreation CAPRA Presentation]

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[Consider/Discuss Adopting Guiding Principles for the Destination Sports Park]

MISTER KOSKI MOVED OVER TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO LEAD THAT TEAM.

AND THEN WE HIRED MISS KINCAID TO LEAD THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ON THE CITY SIDE. MORE RECENTLY IN THIS YEAR, IN 2025. IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, THE COUNCIL HELD THEIR STRATEGIC WORK SESSION FOR

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TREVOR, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ACRES GABE NESBITT IS? THAT'S SUCH A GREAT QUESTION. YOU'RE USED TO THAT FROM ME. YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I WANT TO SAY IT'S 160 ACRES, BUT WE HAVE GABE NESBITT REPRESENTED IN ONE OF THE SLIDES. AND WE ALSO HAVE THE MCKINNEY SOCCER COMPLEX REPRESENTED IN ONE OF THE SLIDES. SO IF YOU WILL HOLD AND WAIT FOR MORE, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE HOPING TO SEE. BUT MISS KINCAID. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE, BUT THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT OUR IN OUR PARK MASTER PLAN THAT WAS COMPLETED IN LATE 2009. IT WAS AROUND 2019. WE COMPARED WHAT WE HAD EXISTING INTO WHAT OUR NRP STANDARDS ARE, AND DFW STANDARDS AS IT RELATES TO ALL THESE ITEMS. AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THEM, IF NOT EVERYTHING, WE DO NOT MEET THE GUIDELINES. SO THERE IS A HUGE NEED. AS WE ALL KNOW, IN ALL OF OUR FACILITIES, SPORTS FIELDS, PLAYGROUNDS, EVERYTHING. AS YOU CAN SEE LISTED HERE. SO TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, CLAUDIA, WE DID A OVERLAY OF PARCEL OF EXISTING PROJECTS TO JUST SHOW THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT COULD FIT ON THERE. I'M GABE NESBITT COMMUNITY PARK, WHICH IS 160, 160 ACRES. I. AND AS WELL AS THE MCKINNEY SOCCER COMPLEX AT CRAIG RANCH, WHICH IS 64 ACRES. THIS IS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT THAT ACREAGE IS FOR. BOTH OF THOSE PARCELS. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A TIMELINE AND WHAT THIS CONSISTS OF GABE NESBITT, AGAIN, 160 ACRES, WE ACQUIRED IT IN 2001, AND WE ARE NOW GOING THROUGH THE LAST PHASE FOR THIS PARK CURRENTLY, WHICH WILL TAKE US THROUGH 2026. BUT TO THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE INCLUDED INTO GABE NESBITT. JUST AN OVERVIEW OF TIMELINES AND COST OF WHAT'S THE AMENITIES ARE INSIDE THIS PARK STARTING AT 2001, AND THE COST OF EACH OF THESE ITEMS. AGAIN, THIS WAS A PHASED APPROACH. IT TOOK 24 YEARS TO COMPLETELY PHASE THIS PROJECT. THIS PARK OUT FOR A TOTAL OF JUST OVER $92.5 MILLION. AGAIN, THIS IS DOLLARS STARTING IN 2001, SO DEFINITELY WOULD COST A LOT MORE IN TODAY'S MONEY TO BUILD ALL OF THESE ITEMS. YEAH THAT'S BANANAS. AMY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOFTBALL FIELDS, 2005 WE BUILT FIVE FOR 2.8. AND THEN THIS YEAR FOUR OF THEM FOR 17. CORRECT. SO PROBABLY LOOKING AT CLOSER TO 150 PLUS MILLION TO BUILD THIS OUT. ALSO WHEN I IDENTIFY THAT THERE'S 2 OR 3 OF

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THE COST WAS 20.3 BACK IN 1990. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THIS MIGHT COST. IS THIS IN THE TWIN CITIES, DO YOU THINK OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT CITIES? YES. THE NEXT EXAMPLE IS GRAND PARK SPORTS CAMPUS IN INDIANA. THIS IS 400 ACRES WITH SOCCER FIELDS, BASEBALL, SOCCER FIELDS, EVENT CENTER SPACE, AS WELL AS A PROFESSIONAL TRAINING FACILITY. THIS IS WHERE THE COLTS HOLD THEIR SPRING TRAINING. IT WAS BUILT IN 2014, WITH THE SPORTS COMPLEX BEING 49 MILLION. IN THE COMPLEX WAS ADDED TWO YEARS LATER. 26 MILLION. THE LAST SAMPLE I HAVE IS THE THE ARIZONA ATHLETIC GROUNDS IN MESA, ARIZONA. THIS IS PRETTY CLOSE TO SCOPE. WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT DOING WITHIN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE 320 ACRES. THIS WAS BUILT IN 2022 WITH A BUILD COST OF $280 MILLION. IF WE WERE TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE WE SEARCHED JUST KNOWING THAT THE ANNUAL OPERATION MAINTENANCE COST FOR THIS FACILITY IS AROUND $18 MILLION.

AND SO THERE IS A HUGE COST TO MAINTAIN AND RUN THIS FACILITY. I'M JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THEY HAVE 2.4 MILLION VISITORS A YEAR HERE. WITH THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF $23 MILLION. SO AS JENNY BAKER PRESENTED LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAD 21 PROJECTS IN QUEUE. JUST A REFRESHER ON THOSE PROJECTS. INVESTING IN ALMOST $200 MILLION IN EXISTING PROJECTS TODAY. SO ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE TIMELINE, TODAY'S NEEDS, AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE DEPENDING ON THE APPROACH THAT WE TAKE. STAFF, RESOURCES, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, 21 PROJECTS IN QUEUE, WHAT WHAT MIGHT THAT BE FOR STAFF, CITY FUNDING AVAILABILITY. AND AGAIN, JUST REITERATING THE ANNUAL OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COST. I WOULD BE PROBABLY BETWEEN 16 AND $18 MILLION FOR THAT SIZE OF FACILITY. AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK TO MR. MINYARD.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE ONE ITEM ON THE CONSIDERATION, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE WE CAN HAVE SOME CONVERSATION THIS AFTERNOON IS IN RELATION TO THE FUNDING AVAILABILITY. SO WE JUST RECEIVED PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF FUNDING IN THE 2024 BOND FOR VARIOUS PARKS PROJECTS. ALL OF THAT FUNDING IS ALLOCATED TOWARDS VARIOUS USES. SOME OF THE ONES THAT YOU SAW ON THE SLIDE ABOUT THE CURRENT PROJECTS IN THE QUEUE, SOME OF THE ONES STILL TO COME. SO THE FUNDING AVAILABILITY IS IS A QUESTION THAT IF WE WERE TO ADJUST OR IF WE WERE TO DO AN ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS, AND THEN ALSO AN ANNUAL OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE DISCUSSION WOULD BE NECESSARY AS WELL. WHILE THE

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YES, SIR. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEAR FOR THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THIS. AND THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US THE SLIDE. THAT WAS REALLY EYE OPENING ABOUT A POPULATION, A CITY WITH THE POPULATION OUR SIZE AND WHERE WE'RE EXPECTED TO BE, WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES WE OUGHT TO HAVE AND HOW WE'RE WOEFULLY SHORT. AND THE CITY MANAGER AND I WERE THINKING ABOUT WHERE CAN WE CRAM SOME PICNIC TABLES AROUND HERE TO MITIGATE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WAY SHORT ON PICNIC TABLES WE ARE. BUT HEY, HERE'S HERE'S WHAT I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE. AFTER TALKING TO A FEW PARENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IN THE RFQ IF THERE'S A WAY TO PUT IN THERE THAT THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF ACRES AND I'M GOING TO GO WITH TEN AS A PLACEHOLDER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER IS, AND IT COULD BE TEN CONTIGUOUS ACRES. IT COULD BE FIVE HERE, TWO HERE, ONE HERE. THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR MOM AND DAD TO COME AND KICK THE BALL AROUND WITH JUNIOR, AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEGOTIATE INTO THE AGREEMENT WITH THEM THAT THEY MIGHT MAINTAIN WOULD BE MORE OF A PERFECT WORLD TO ME, BUT JUST SOMETHING WHERE FOLKS COULD GO.

I WAS TALKING TO PEOPLE. I HAD A LADY LAST NIGHT WHO CAME VISIT WITH ME, AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT BASEBALL PRACTICE AND SOCCER PRACTICE. I SAID, WHERE DO YOU GO? SHE SAID, WELL, DO YOU KNOW THIS LITTLE CORNER OF GABE NESBITT THAT ISN'T REALLY SPOKEN FOR? I SAID, I

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AND WHAT WE WOULD HOPE IS THAT CREATES SUPPLY ON OUR CURRENT FACILITIES SO THAT OUR CURRENT FACILITIES CAN THEN OPERATE AS THEY'RE INTENDED TO, WHERE THEY CAN BE USED BY THE PUBLIC FAIRLY EASILY. AND THERE'S NOT THIS FEEDING FRENZY FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACES.

THAT'S A GREAT POINT. ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. TREVOR, I'M THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THIS, AND I TALK TO ME FROM A MACRO LEVEL IN THIS. I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD BRIEF HISTORY OF OUR PARKS PROGRAM. IS THAT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS OR A NUMBER OF YEARS, WE UNDERINVESTED IN PARKLAND, OR WE INVESTED IN KIND OF FLOOD PLAIN PARKLAND. THAT WASN'T GOOD, THAT THAT LEFT US BEHIND IN A LOT OF AREAS. AND WE ALSO WEREN'T UPDATING PARKS. SO WE'VE SPENT THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS UPDATING EVERY PARK IN OUR SYSTEM, USING A LOT OF OUR CAPITAL TO DO THAT. WE'RE USING IT IN THIS BOND UPDATE TOWN LAKE, AND WE'RE OPENING THE REC CENTER NEXT WEEK OR LATER THIS WEEK. 4:00 DON'T MISS IT. AND SO IT'S STRAINED OUR ABILITY TO EXPAND SERVICES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE FIELDS THAT YOU'RE SEEING, THE LACK OF FIELDS IS LARGELY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN KIND OF IN A HOLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DIG OUT OF. AND IN MY MIND, WHEN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE ARE BASICALLY LAYING SOME FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY ON THE USERS. YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE END USERS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT IN SOME WAY BECAUSE YOU TALK ABOUT $18 MILLION IN OPERATING COSTS, BUT ADD IN THERE $200 MILLION IN CAPITAL COSTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPAY AS WELL. AND THE COST TO RENT THESE FIELDS IS GOING TO COME WITH A BURDEN. AND WE'RE HOPING TO SHARE THAT WITH OUT-OF-TOWNERS. WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS KIND OF AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SLASH VISIT. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S SPORTS TOURISM AND PEEL OFF AS MUCH OF THAT AS WE CAN. AND TO ME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S FINE. BUT IT DOES LIKE WE TALK ABOUT THESE ARE GOING TO BE FIELDS FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY.

THESE ARE LARGELY GOING TO BE CONSUMED BY THIS GROUP THAT HAS TO REPAY $200 MILLION IN CAPITAL, JUST LIKE WE WOULD. AND SO I JUST WE ARE LAYING ON THAT BURDEN ONTO THOSE USERS THAT ARE ASKING FOR IT TO SAY, OKAY, BUT YOU PAY FOR IT. WE BOUGHT THE LAND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LET A DEVELOPER COME PROVIDE THIS FOR YOU AND YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. AND THE EXAMPLES THAT WE USED, YOU KNOW, I HAD ASKED FOR SOME EXAMPLES BEFOREHAND, BUT LIKE THE NATIONAL ONE THAT WAS A STATE DEVELOPMENT, THE STATE OWNS THAT. THEY DEVELOPED IT. AND SO YEAH, THERE'S COSTS TO USING IT. BUT A LOT OF THAT CAPITAL COST ISN'T BORNE BY THE USERS NECESSARILY. THE GRAND PARK, ONE CITY OWNED, THEY THEY DEVELOPED THAT AFTER SOME

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AND ULTIMATELY, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE US WITH THE EXPANSION AND SERVICES THAT WE WANT, OR IT ONLY PROVIDES IT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CAN PAY FOR IT. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME WITH THIS. I'M SENSITIVE TO THOSE COMMENTS AND THE PERSPECTIVE. I WOULD SAY THE THREE EXAMPLES PROVIDED WERE JUST GENERAL EXAMPLES FROM A FOOTPRINT AND A USE STANDPOINT.

IN THE LIMITED TIMELINE BETWEEN THE 18TH AND TODAY, WE WEREN'T GETTING INTO THE FINANCIALS OF EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE. THE THE MESA EXAMPLE IS THE MOST POIGNANT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MOST EXPERIENCE WITH THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE. BUT I'D LEAN BACK ON THE OTHER COMMENT I MADE EARLIER JUST ABOUT THAT. IF THE DESIRE IS TO HAVE MORE FIELDS QUICKLY OR MORE USE QUICKLY THAN US, DOING IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE A BOND AND AN OUTLAY OF CAPITAL. TO YOUR POINT THAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY NOT OUTLAID FOR THIS PURPOSE, AND THE STAFF GOT TOGETHER, PROPOSED THIS DURING THE STRATEGIC WORK SESSION, AND THEN IS RECOMMENDING THE RFQ BECAUSE IT'S A WAY TO GET THAT SUPPLY IN A IN A QUICKER FASHION WITH THE OFFSETS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED. AND WE'RE OPEN TO PAUL LIKES TO SAY A LOT OF TIMES, WHICH I THINK MR. GRIMES, EXCUSE ME, LIKES TO SAY A LOT OF TIMES, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT QUOTE ABOUT OUR, OUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE A PROCESS TO GET TO A PRODUCT. WE'RE NOT THERE TO DELIVER THE PRODUCT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY TO FACILITATE ANY TYPE OF ALTERNATIVE USE. BUT WE SEE THIS AS THE WAY TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF PROVIDING MORE CAPACITY AND MORE SUPPLY IN THE SHORTEST TIME FRAME. THAT SAID, OUR HISTORY IS THAT WE CAN DEVELOP A COMMUNITY PARK. WE CAN DO THAT. WE'VE DONE GREAT COMMUNITY PARKS IN MCKINNEY. IT JUST TAKES TIME AND RESOURCES AND PROBABLY MORE THAN ONE BOND REFERENDUM OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS, OR A ADJUSTED. CAPITAL OUTLAY SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE TO THIS POINT, SUCH AS? THAT'S THE QUESTION. YEAH. MCDC BONDING. I THINK THAT WHAT YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SCREEN IS, YOU KNOW, MCDC HAS PARTICIPATED IN A HUGE, A HUGE MANNER IN PARKS DEVELOPMENT AND PARKS SUPPORT OVER THE PREVIOUS 10 TO 15 YEARS FUTURE BONDS, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S THE PRIMARY FUNDING MECHANISM FOR HOW WE DEVELOP THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. VARYING TYPES OF FEES OR PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEES, WHICH YOU ALL ARE GOING TO GET A PRESENTATION ON THE 16TH ABOUT PARKLAND FEES. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE OUR PRIMARY REVENUE SOURCES TO DEVELOP THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. MY ONLY POINT IS THOSE REVENUE SOURCES, WHILE SOME MAY BE MORE ROBUST THAN OTHERS, ARE STILL PROBABLY NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $200 MILLION PLUS, NOT TO MENTION THE OPERATIONAL COSTS, THAT IS A CONCERN. I HAD A QUICK QUESTION GOING BACK TO THE MESA. YES, SIR. PROJECT. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MESA PROJECT AFTER IT WENT? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I MAY LEAN ON MR. GRIMES HERE A LITTLE BIT, THAT ONCE THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS WERE NO LONGER IN THE PICTURE, MESA GOT INVOLVED TO BASICALLY DO SOMETHING WITH THE ASSET THAT WAS IN THEIR CITY, AND THEY PARTNERED WITH, I BELIEVE, A PE FIRM THAT HAD A NONPROFIT ARM TO COME IN AND OPERATE THE FACILITY. BY ALL MEASURES, THAT'S GOING WELL FROM OUTSIDE LOOKING IN. YEAH, THIS WAS THE CITY OF MESA. DID NOT BUILD ANYTHING ON THIS FACILITY. THIS WAS ALL PRIVATELY OWNED MESA BENEFITS, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THE ASSET IS IN THE CITY OF MESA. AND SO THEY HAVE THE ASSET THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS SERVING FOLKS, THE INVESTMENT. I THINK IT'S MORE A REFLECTION OF THE OPERATOR THAN IT WAS THE THE IDEA I DO HAVE, I THINK COUNCILMAN BELLER HAD REQUESTED SOME EXAMPLES OF OTHER TYPES OF FACILITIES I JUST GOT TODAY PROVIDED TO ME. WE'RE REVIEWING IT AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DISTRIBUTE THIS AMONG THE COUNCIL. BUT THESE ARE PARKS FACILITIES AROUND THE UNITED

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SO THESE AREN'T NEW CONCEPTS. IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, HOW YOU WISH TO PROCEED. WELL, LEGALLY, WE COULD WE COULD PUT LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT THAT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO TAKE IT OVER AT SOME POINT. IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND AND THESE RFQS AGAIN, IT'S YOU GET THESE COMING IN AND THEN YOU GET IDEAS AND MAYBE ONE HITS US AND SAYS, HEY, THAT'S GREAT. IF WE DON'T LIKE ANY OF THEM, WE CAN REJECT THEM ALL AND START OVER. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE DOWN THE ROAD WITH SOMETHING BECAUSE THE NEED IS THERE. YEAH. I GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY MY ARGUMENT, MY ARGUMENT IS NOT THAT WE DON'T ADDRESS THE NEED. MY ARGUMENT IS THAT WE ADDRESS THE NEED AND DON'T PUT A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE USERS AS THE SOLE RATEPAYER OF IT. AND SO I THINK THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. WE KEEP MENTIONING KIND OF THE LIMITATIONS OF THIS PRESENTATION, I GUESS. WHY DID WE RUSH THIS PRESENTATION IF WE WEREN'T READY TO TALK ABOUT WORKABLE EXAMPLES THAT THAT THIS USED? I MEAN, I WATCHED A 30 MINUTE DOCUMENTARY ON GRAND PARK. THEY DEVELOPED THAT THEMSELVES. THEY SOLD IT AFTERWARDS INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR 200 AND SOME ODD MILLION DOLLARS, BUT THEY DEVELOPED IT THEMSELVES. SO I GUESS SHOW ME THAT THIS IS A GOOD USE OF $20 MILLION IN LAND RESOURCES. AND BECAUSE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT RICK'S SAYING, THAT THERE'S SOME GOOD IDEAS OUT THERE, BUT ONE OF THEM THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE PRESENTED OUT THERE WITH AN RFQ. RFQ PROCESS IS, SHOULD WE DO THIS OURSELVES? AND I WANT TO SEE THAT IN COMPARISON. AND I, I GUESS THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE DECISION I THINK WE SHOULD BE WEIGHING IS THERE'S A COST FOR THAT. WE KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS. WE KNOW WHAT'S ALLOWED TO US.

WE SHOWED OPTIONS ON HERE AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR ONLY ROUTE. AND WE GOT TO RUSH THROUGH THIS BECAUSE IN MAY IT WAS ON A, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES THING. AND HERE WE ARE. I WOULD JUST WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S RUSHING ANYTHING. I GUESS IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, THIS HAS BEEN LANGUISHING FOR SOME TIME AND IT'S LAND THAT WE BOUGHT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED. INSOFAR AS US BEING THE DEVELOPER OF US, YOU COULD DO THAT. IF THE COUNCIL SAYS, LET'S GO OUT AND ISSUE A BOND, LET'S GET LET'S HAVE THE MCDC BOND SOME, SOME OF THEIR REVENUES TO DO THIS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO YOU COULD YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT I THINK YOU'D BE BETTER INFORMED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE MARKETPLACE MIGHT OFFER. AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK AND SAY, BOY, WE REALLY DON'T LIKE THE TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING. OR WE THINK THAT'S JUST TOO RICH FOR US AND OR THE PRICE TAG FOR THE COMMUNITY OR THE USERS ARE GOING TO BE TOO HIGH. MAYBE WE DO THIS OURSELVES. YOU'LL BE FAR MORE INFORMED IF YOU AT LEAST CAST THE NET TO SEE WHAT THE MARKETPLACE MIGHT BRING, RATHER THAN JUST SAYING WE THINK WE CAN DO IT CHEAPER. BUT I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE THE OPTION. I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE THEM. YOU DON'T. NOTHING IS COMMITTING YOU. THIS IS JUST CASTING THE NET ON THE RFQ. LIKE I SAID, IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, YOU CAN GIVE US OTHER DIRECTION. OKAY. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE $200 MILLION WORTH OF PARKS PROJECTS ALREADY GOING ON RIGHT NOW. CORRECT. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER $200 MILLION, EVEN WITH CDC GOING FOR BOND. I MEAN, THAT'S IT'S STILL A HEAVY LIFT GOING FOR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A BOND ON A REFERENDUM. AND I MENTIONED THIS LAST NIGHT, THOSE ARE NOT

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AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS ARE THE ONES WHO CAN PAY FOR IT. AND THAT THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT I ENVISION WITH PUBLIC FUNDS, WITH PARKLAND. AND, AND I THINK IT'S THE, THE WRONG DIRECTION. I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AND EVALUATE WHAT ARE WE ABLE TO OFFER AND THEN LOOK AT DOES THE MARKET HAVE A BETTER OPTION FOR US. BECAUSE WHEN I WHEN I SEE THE BETTER OPTION THAT THE MARKET'S GOING TO PROVIDE, IT'S GOING TO COME WITH BIG DOLLAR SIGNS TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY A TAX WE'RE PUTTING ON THEM FOR THE ONES WHO CAN AFFORD IT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH A LOT OF OUR AMENITIES, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE JUST NOT WE'RE DOING IT AT THE SAME TIME. SO YOU HAVE AN OPTION OF US DOING IT. OKAY.

AND THEN THE RFQ, IF, IF, IF STAFF WILL MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT WE WILL, WE WILL SHOW A SIDE BY SIDE APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON OF DOING IT OURSELVES TO THE MARKET THEN.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE WE'RE PASSING AN RFQ. WE GO FOR BOND. WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TAXING EVERYONE. EVERYONE, EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T USE IT AS WELL. I MEAN, EITHER WAY, EVERYONE'S GOING TO GET TO SOME DEGREE. EVERYONE'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT, THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EVERYBODY PAYING FOR IT AND THE ONES WHO USE IT TO PAY FOR IT. AND, AND AND THAT'S AND AND AND IF WE'RE TALKING MCDC, IT'S ALREADY A TAX THAT EVERYBODY'S PAYING.

WE'RE JUST DECIDING TO USE IT ON DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OF PARKING GARAGES EVEN. YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF IT. BUT THE FUTURE OF MCDC IS UP IN THE AIR. EVEN SO, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO SADDLE THAT ONTO MCDC AND WE DON'T. WHY IS THE FUTURE OF MCDC UP IN THE AIR? FOR. COULD WE DO PARALLEL RAILROAD TRACKS, SO TO SPEAK, OF WHAT THAT MIGHT ADDRESS THE CONCERN THAT COUNCILMAN MILLER HAS ABOUT SENDING THIS OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PUBLIC TO TO WEIGH IN ON AND THEN DO AN IN-HOUSE DEEPER DIVE THAN YOU'VE PROVIDED TODAY, OTHER THAN SAYING, YEAH, WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. CAN WE GO A LITTLE DEEPER? YEAH. MOST DEFINITELY. I MEAN, TO BE COMPLETELY FRANK, I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE FROM STAFF IS OPTIONS THAT ARE IN RELATION TO A MORE DETAILED VERSION OF THE DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES THAT WE CURRENTLY ENJOY IN THE CITY AND HAVE IN THE CITY TO DEVELOP THIS PROJECT. IT'S IT'S NOT THAT WE AREN'T CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN DEVELOP IT OURSELVES. I THINK THAT THE THE RECOMMENDATION TO DO THE RFP IS BECAUSE THE EXPEDIENCY TO DEVELOPMENT IS MORE ALIGNED WITH THE P3. TO COUNCILMAN BELLA'S POINT, IF THERE'S A SHIFT IN HOW WE ALLOCATE THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES AND REVENUE SOURCES THAT WE HAVE, OR IF THERE IS A SHIFT TO INCREASE THOSE VARIOUS RESOURCES AND REVENUE SOURCES, AND THE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL IS GO AND ASSUME THERE'S A SHIFT, WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER. WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT A ROUGH OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE TOGETHER FOR A FACILITY SUCH AS THIS, DO A GENERAL CAPITAL STACK OF WHAT BONDING MAY LOOK LIKE. SO, TREVOR, WHEN ONE THING I WOULD ASK IS THAT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LAY OUT THIS COMPARISON, THIS SIDE BY SIDE TRACK AND YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHOWING WE NEED 50 SOCCER FIELDS AND I'M JUST MAKING UP A NUMBER. RIGHT. AND THIS PRIVATE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BUILD 50 SOCCER FIELDS. AND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE RESTRICTED ON USE OF THOSE FIELDS. CORRECT. SO THEORETICALLY YES. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE OUTSIDE TOURNAMENTS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU CAN RENT THEM AT COST IN DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'VE DELIVERED NECESSARILY 50 SOCCER FIELDS TO OUR CITY FOR RECREATION USE THAT MEET THIS DEMAND. MAYBE AT SOME PORTION OF IT, MAYBE IT'S 25, MAYBE IT'S 30. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. BUT TO COMPARE, WE'VE GOT TO GO

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BUT TO TO THE POINT, I'M HAPPY TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND GIVE IT AN EFFORT AT THE SAME IF WE DO IT PARALLEL OR OTHERWISE. AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE HERE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IS IN PURSUING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'VE BEEN HOLDING ON TO. I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT SHOWS WHAT AMOUNT OF PUBLIC GOOD CAN WE DELIVER WITH PUBLIC FUNDS THAT'S COMPARABLE IN THIS. ANYONE ELSE? NO. YOU NEED. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. YOU NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM US. THE GUIDANCE IS WE HAVE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ON THE CONSENT PORTION OF THE CALENDAR AT THE REGULAR MEETING TONIGHT. IF COUNCIL FEELS INCLINED TO MOVE FORWARD. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I THINK THAT THE TWO IDEAS IN RELATION TO. QUANTIFYING, IF YOU WILL, LOCAL USE IN THE RFQ. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT INTERNALLY. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD VERY EASILY PUT INTO THE LANGUAGE OF THE RFQ. IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO FIVE DIFFERENT SCORING FACTORS, AS MANY OF OUR RFQS ARE. ONE OF THOSE FACTORS IS THAT THEY REPRESENT AND REFLECT THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. AND THAT'S A PRETTY BIG CHUNK OF THAT'S ONE OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES IS CORRECT. CORRECT. SO I THINK THAT WE COULD ADD THAT INTO THE SCORING FACTOR OF THE RFQ. SO IT'S A IT'S A IT IS A DETRIMENT IF YOU DON'T RESPOND TO IT. AND IT'S A BENEFIT IF YOU DO RESPOND TO IT FAIRLY EASY. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD. SORRY. SO SO THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE ON THE CONSENT PORTION OF THE AGENDA.

IF THE COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS, SOMEBODY MAY MOTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CONSENT. SO YOU CAN VOTE INDIVIDUALLY AND GIVE US THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED IS IF WE'RE MOVING FORWARD THEN THAT VOTE WILL OCCUR. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. MINYARD? NO, I WILL JUST ADD, MR. MAYOR, JUST VERY QUICKLY, THAT I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION. I DO HAVE AN APPETITE FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS. HAVING THAT AS A SCORING MECHANISM IS IMPORTANT. I WOULD LIKE THE AREA FOR SOME AREA FOR PUBLIC USE. THE SUGGESTION OF USING CDC TO BOND THIS I THINK IS A CREATIVE GOOD ONE. BETTER THAN PUTTING IT ON A BALLOT FOR THE GENERAL TAXPAYER. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE AND AND BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THIS. IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANOTHER BITE AT THIS APPLE IN THIS CITY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER 200 PLUS ACRE THING LIKE THIS. IS THAT FAIR? WE HEARD THAT DURING THE 18TH MEETING. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS SLIDE, AS YOU HEARD THAT FROM ME, SO TO SPEAK. OH, SO WE DO HAVE MORE OPTIONS.

THE THE TWO PRIMARY PIECES OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY SOUTH OF 380 THAT ARE GREENFIELD, SO TO SPEAK, ARE ON THE EAST SIDE, NORTH OF THE AIRPORT, AND THEN WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE GRAY BRANCH TRACK RIGHT THERE, SOUTH OF 380. WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT AS THE NORTHWEST SECTOR DEVELOPS, WE WILL RECEIVE MORE AND MORE PARKLAND, DEDICATION AREAS AND ACREAGE. BUT THAT'S SLOW. YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE. BUT WE DID. THIS ISN'T IN NO WAY MEANT TO BE A GOTCHA.

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OF COURSE, TREVOR, YOU MENTIONED IN THE RFQ THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT PUBLIC USE OF, OF OF FACILITIES. AND COUNCILMAN BELLA BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY WE BUILT 50 FIELDS, BUT DID WE REALLY BUILD 50 FIELDS TO DELIVER TO OUR TO OUR CITIZENS? SO MAYBE IT'S A SCORING THING TO YOUR POINT. MAYBE YOU GET MORE POINTS, WHETHER THAT'S 510, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT REALLY THE COMMENT WAS FOR COUNCILMAN BELLER TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE SAY 50 FIELDS, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN FOR, FOR THAT AMATEUR TEAM FROM MCKINNEY, NOT THE TEAM THAT JONES'S KIDS ARE ON. BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR, YOU KNOW, THE MINIARD FAMILY. THERE YOU GO. YEAH. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ERNEST. COMMISSIONER. COMMENT. YES, SIR. YOU FORECASTED SUPPLY AND DEMAND OF THE AMENITIES, THE PARKS AND THE FIELDS AND THAT'S ALL GREAT. I GUESS WHERE I'M HAVING PROBLEM WRESTLING.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WRESTLING WITH FUNDING MECHANISMS OF A VERY EXPENSIVE PARK. I DON'T HEAR ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT FUTURE DEMOGRAPHICS. WE JUST HAD A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT REPURPOSED THREE SCHOOLS. AND SO I GUESS A LITTLE FORWARD THINKING ABOUT, I MEAN, WE'RE BASING OUR DEMAND ON A CURRENT SITUATION THAT MAY NOT CONTINUE TO GENERATE THAT.

YOU'VE GOT FAMILIES HAVING SMALLER, SMALLER FAMILIES LATER IN LIFE. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE THE LONG TERM COST OF OPERATING COSTS AND, AND MAKING INVESTMENTS IN SOME OF THESE AMENITIES WITHOUT FORWARD LOOKING AT DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS THAT ARE BEGINNING TO CHANGE.

AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS PROJECT. YEAH.

AND TO YOUR POINT, ERNEST, THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE YOU WANT TO DRAW FROM EVERYWHERE, LIKE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE SPORTS SOCCER, BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, THEY TRAVEL AND THEY VOLLEYBALL. I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S TOURNAMENTS IN VEGAS, THERE'S TOURNAMENTS AT DISNEY WORLD, THERE'S TOURNAMENTS. I MEAN, TULSA, OKLAHOMA, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE BEEN TO TULSA, OKLAHOMA, YOU KNOW, FOR A TOURNAMENT, YOU KNOW. SO IT BRINGS KIDS FROM ALL OVER TO YOUR TO YOUR POINT, IT'S SUSTAINABLE, RIGHT? THAT MAKES IT SUSTAINABLE WHEN YOU JUST HAVE IT AS A A, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PARK, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO MAINTAIN. AND THEN AS THESE KIDS GET OLDER AND THEY MOVE OUT AND, YOU KNOW, HOME PRICES AND IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE BACK IN. YEAH. YOU'RE LEFT WITH THIS BIG PIECE OF LAND THAT'S UNUSABLE. REALLY. I MEAN, OTHER TO THE TO A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT THAT ARE STILL HERE. BUT IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, YOU MAKE IT A DESTINATION AND YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE KIDS HERE. I'VE JUST I JUST SAID LIKE I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE RFQ. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A CARVE OUT FOR THE FOR THE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE. BECAUSE 50 FIELDS IS A LOT OF FIELDS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT OF YOU WOULDN'T CITY OF MCKINNEY IF IT WAS JUST MCKINNEY KIDS, YOU'RE NOT FILLING UP 50 BASEBALL FIELDS, BUT, YOU KNOW, 18 KIDS ON EACH FIELD. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT JUST HAVING AVAILABILITY OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL, THE NORM OF OF A LEAGUE TO, TO RESERVE IT. I JUST THINK THAT'S WOULD BE A GOOD USE TO THE PUBLIC. AND YOU WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD, YOU KNOW, CHUNK OF CITIZENS WANTING TO DO THAT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T YOU FREE UP OTHER FIELDS IF WE BUILT THIS AND YOU TOOK MOST OF YOUR TOURNAMENTS GO TO THESE FIELDS, DOESN'T THAT FREE UP FIELDS IN THE REST OF MCKINNEY? I THINK THAT WE SEE THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE SEE BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND THAT WE'RE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. AMY SHOWED OUR OUR LONG RANGE MASTER PLAN, OUR POPULATION ESTIMATES, AND KIND OF WHAT THE ARPA STANDARDS ARE IN RELATION TO POPULATION. THAT'S WHY THE SQUEEZE IS SO DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE WE'RE BEHIND THE INTENT. AND THE HOPE IS THAT YOU HAVE A LARGE INFLUX OF CAPACITY. AND IT DOES THAT. IT FREES UP OTHER AREAS. TREVOR. IT'S ALSO THAT COMES WITH A LARGE INFLUX OF

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[Consider/Discuss Citywide Third-Party Special Events and a Potential McKinney Half Marathon]

WHETHER IT WAS A5K, A 10-K TRIATHLON, HALF MARATHONS, YOU NAME IT. WE HAD A BUNCH. AND SO WE STARTED TO LOOK INTO WHY THAT WAS WHY. WHY WERE ALL THESE EVENTS COMING TO MCKINNEY? BECAUSE FRANKLY, THEY WERE EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY TO PRODUCE. SO THE REASON THESE EVENTS WERE ALL COMING TO MCKINNEY IS THAT WE ONLY REQUIRED THEM TO PAY A $50 APPLICATION FEE, AND THEN WE ABSORBED THE COST OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS STREET CREWS OUT THERE PUTTING UP BARRICADES, OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE UP, THE SPECIAL EVENTS TEAM WHO PLANNED IT. AND SO WE WERE A CHEAP VENUE FOR THESE EVENTS. AND SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT WE COULD DO TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, BUT ALSO TO LIMIT THE USE OF SOME OF THE PUBLIC STREETS IN MCKINNEY BECAUSE OF THE THE HEADACHES THAT CAME WITH IT. WE HAD A LOT OF RACES SHUTTING DOWN A LOT OF OUR STREETS. SO CHAPTER 87 BACK IN 2018 WAS MODIFIED AND WE CAME UP WITH A FEW THINGS. ONE, AND KIND OF THE PRIMARY PROBLEM WE SOLVED IS WE WE CREATED WHAT WE CALLED PREFERRED ROUTES. THESE ARE ROUTES THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR A5K, A TEN K OR A TRIATHLON OR A HALF MARATHON THAT WOULD LIMIT THE USE OF OUR OUR PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAYS AND CLOSING STREETS. AND BY ADOPTING THOSE PREFERRED ROUTES, WHAT WE ESSENTIALLY SAID IS IF YOU WENT ON ONE OF OUR ROUTES AND IT'S DEFINED HERE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW AS HAVING THAT LIMITED IMPACT, IF YOU USED OUR ROUTE, THEN THERE WAS A FLAT FEE SO YOU COULD PAY A FLAT FEE AND THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE THE SERVICES FOR THE EVENT. THEN WE SAID, WE UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE WILL WANT TO DO OTHER ROUTES. AND SO WE WE KEPT IN THE ORDINANCE THIS IDEA OF AN INDEPENDENT ROUTE. AND THE INDEPENDENT ROUTE IS YOU CAN NAME YOUR ROUTE. BUT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AND POLICE PRESENCE AND WHATNOT, THERE'S GOING INSTEAD OF A FLAT FEE, YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING IN THE VENDORS TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. AND SO THAT ELIMINATED SOME OF THESE SMALLER RACES THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU SET UP A RACE TRYING TO RAISE A LITTLE MONEY FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE, AND YOU GET 200 PEOPLE, BUT IT COSTS THE CITY, YOU KNOW, $10,000 TO SHUT DOWN THE STREETS FOR THE MORNING. SO IT ELIMINATED SOME OF THOSE SMALLER RACES. AND AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, WE HAD A COUPLE RACES THAT WERE CROSSING MAJOR STREETS, AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA OF A RESTRICTED USE STREET. SO CERTAIN STREETS HAVE TRAFFIC QUANTITIES AND SPEEDS THAT REALLY WEREN'T IN CONCERT WITH THE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT WERE BEING PLANNED. SO WE CAME

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THERE WAS ONE EXCEPTION. WE RESTRICTED USE OF 2478 OR CUSTER ROAD, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AN EXISTING EVENT THAT WE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE, AND THAT WAS THE CRAIG RANCH TRIATHLON AT THAT TIME. THE REST WERE KIND OF OFF LIMITS. SO FAST FORWARD TO THIS YEAR. LIKE I SAID, THE DALLAS BMW DALLAS MARATHON RUNS AN EVENT THAT'S BEEN ONGOING. I BELIEVE 1971 WAS THEIR FIRST EVENT. YOU MET A COUPLE OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES EARLIER IN THE COMMENTS, AND I'VE ASKED THEM TO STICK AROUND. I THINK THEY STUCK WITH US, OKAY. THEY STUCK WITH US THROUGH ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS TONIGHT, BUT WE HAVE JASON, JODY AND CHUCK WHO ARE WITH THE DALLAS MARATHON, AND THEY THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THEIR PROPOSED EVENTS. BUT THIS IS SOME SOME TEXT I PULLED OFF OF A PRESS RELEASE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH, AND ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH IS A FOCUS ON HISTORIC MCKINNEY, OUR DOWNTOWN, AND SPECIFICALLY STARTING THE EVENT HERE AT CITY HALL IN FRONT OF CITY HALL IN VIRGINIA AND ENDING THE EVENT AT TUFTS. AND IN DOING SO, IF YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE CITY HALL AND TUFTS, AS WELL AS THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE'S REALLY NOT A WAY TO DO SO WITHOUT CROSSING HIGHWAY FIVE.

SO REALLY, THE THE ONE ITEM I WANT YOU TO KIND OF GIVE ME SOME SENTIMENT OR I WANT TO TAKE THE TEMPERATURE OF COUNCIL ON TONIGHT IS WOULD THIS EVENT BE WORTHY OF US MAKING AN EXCEPTION TO THAT, THAT RULE AND ALLOWING THEM TO CROSS HIGHWAY FIVE WITH THEIR EVENT? A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON WITH THEM IS THEY THEY HAVE MET WITH OUR TRAFFIC TEAM AND THEY HAVE MET WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE ISSUES WITH THE TRAFFIC. DIVERSION THAT THE BYPASS OF THE EVENT TO ALLOW IT TO GO THROUGH. THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS BY, NUMBER ONE, MOVING THE EVENT EARLIER. SO IT WOULD BE A 7 A.M. START ON A SATURDAY RATHER THAN AN EIGHT.

IT WOULD UTILIZE THE TRAILS FOR A GOOD PORTION OF THE ROUTE. HOWEVER, WITH THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS THEY ANTICIPATE, EVEN IN THE FIRST YEAR OF 4300 RACERS GROWING HOPEFULLY AS IT GAINS TRACTION, YOU CAN'T BE ALL ON THE TRAILS. THAT'S TOO MANY PEOPLE. BUT LATER IN THE HALF MARATHON, AS YOU STRETCH OUT THE RUNNERS, THEN YOU CAN UTILIZE HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THIS ORGANIZATION HAVING THE EXPERIENCE THEY'VE HAD FOR MANY YEARS IN DALLAS, THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT TRAFFIC CONTROL, BUT ALSO WHAT THEY'VE KIND OF TERMED AS A ROLLING STREET CLEANUP. SO AS THE RACE PASSES BY AN AREA, THEY PULL DOWN THE BARRICADES. WELL, FIRST, AS THE RACE IS APPROACHING, THEY CLOSE THE STREET. THEY KEEP IT OPEN AS LONG AS THEY CAN. AND AFTER THE RACE PASSES, THEY PICK UP THE BARRICADES, THEY SWEEP THE STREET, THEY CLEAN IT UP, AND THEY OPEN IT BACK TO TRAFFIC. SO THEY DO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE IN WORKING THROUGH MAJOR STREET CROSSINGS AND USE OF THOSE RIGHTS OF WAY IN DALLAS. SO THOSE THINGS MAY BE WORTHY OF US MAKING AN EXCEPTION. IF WE WERE TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NARROWLY TAILORED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE EVERYONE SAYING, WELL, I GUESS HIGHWAY FIVE IS OPEN FOR FOR RACES AT THIS TIME. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. AND YOU CAN SEE THEIR PROPOSED ROUTE AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, WHICH IS KIND OF THE THE FIVE K THAT WOULD BE RUN AT ON THE SAME DAY IS THE THE BLACK ROUTE, I BELIEVE, IF MY EYES AREN'T DECEIVING ME, THAT WOULD GO ACROSS HIGHWAY FIVE AND THEN KIND OF CUT SOUTH DOWN THROUGH FINCH PARK AND THEN COME BACK UP AND CROSS HIGHWAY FIVE FOR THE FINISH. THE HALF MARATHON WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME ROUTE, CROSSING HIGHWAY FIVE THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UP WADDELL, ACROSS WHITE, AND THEN OUT, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT HITS THE TRAIL SYSTEM OUT JUST WEST OF HARDIN AND THEN HITS THE TRAIL SYSTEM COMING BACK FROM HARDIN ALL THE WAY THROUGH TOWN LAKE. SO THE PROPOSED ROUTE IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AND FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION, REALLY JUST WANTING TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WISHES US TO PURSUE AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS OF TRAFFIC CONTROL AND THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE EVENT TO MITIGATE THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS, OR IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T SEE FIT TO DO SO. AND WE CAN HOLD TO THE PROHIBITION ON HIGHWAY FIVE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE EVENT OR PROPOSED EVENT ARE HERE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY DO WHAT THEY DO IN THE HISTORY, THAT THEY'VE THE LESSONS LEARNED THROUGH THEIR YEARS IN DALLAS. AND WITH THAT, I WILL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. ON THE, I GUESS, THE THE FIVE K GOES SOUTH AND AROUND FINCH AND THE HALF MARATHON GOES NORTH AND TO WHITE. HOW HOW DO WE STILL GOT THIS STILL HAS LOUISIANA INTO THE SQUARE OPEN

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AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 830 IN THE MORNING OR 8:00 IN THE MORNING STARTING AT 7 A.M. YEAH.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE ANYBODY IS GOING TO BE UP. BUT YOU DO KIND OF THINK OF ALTERNATE ROUTES THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE. AND BECAUSE PEOPLE COMING FROM 75 ARE ESSENTIALLY COMPLETELY BARRED OFF FROM GETTING TO DOWNTOWN FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME. YES. THE OTHER QUESTION I'VE GOT IS JUST COMING UP. HIGHWAY FIVE IS THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO, BUT WOULD BE WOULD WE TRY TO MOVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC ONTO INDUSTRIAL OR ELM TO AIRPORT. SO WE ARE WE ARE LOOKING AT DETOUR ROUTES. WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH TXDOT. SO ANYTHING THAT USES A TXDOT HIGHWAY, WE THAT WE'LL BRING A RESOLUTION TO THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE. AND ONCE IT'S APPROVED, WE WILL SUBMIT IT TO TEX-DOT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUTES TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF HIGHWAY FIVE. SO THE THROUGH TRAFFIC SPECIFICALLY WE WOULD ROUTE PROBABLY ELM OVER TO AIRPORT AND NORTH, AND COMING FROM THE NORTH WE WOULD ROUTE THEM 380 TO AIRPORT AND SOUTH FOR THE DURATION OF THE EVENT, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 7 TO 11 OR 1130. I WOULD SUGGEST INDUSTRIAL JUST TO KEEP IT OUT OF PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS AND GET IT ON TO A STOPLIGHT. WE WOULD LOVE TO DO INDUSTRIAL AS WELL WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AT THAT INTERSECTION. IS IS THE LIMITING FACTOR WITH TEX-DOT CONSTRUCTING THAT THAT INTERSECTION WITH HIGHWAY FIVE. BUT WE WOULD WORK WITH TXDOT ON WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THEM. I WILL SAY THAT LOCAL TRAFFIC WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THROUGH THAT AREA, AND ONLY RIGHT THERE AT TENNESSEE, TENNESSEE, VIRGINIA AND LOUISIANA WOULD IT BE COMPLETELY BLOCKED OFF FOR THE DURATION SO PEOPLE COULD GET TO YOU COULD GO STANDIFER TO MURRAY AND, YOU KNOW, UP AND AROUND. BUT JUST AS LONG AS WE WEREN'T SENDING ALL THE TRAFFIC, IT WOULD. YEAH, IT WOULD BE AN INCONVENIENCE, AS A LOT OF OUR EVENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS IS AN INCONVENIENCE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE BLOCK OFF STREETS AND PEOPLE HAVE TO FIND WAYS. THIS WOULD BE A VERY LIMITED TIME INCONVENIENCE. YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF HOW TO KEEP TRUCK TRAFFIC OUT OF PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS BECAUSE TRUCK TRAFFIC, WE CAN ALSO ROUTE THEM ON. HARRY MCKILLOP, HARRY MCKILLOP TO AIRPORT AND UP. THAT'S PROBABLY THE SAFEST ROUTE FOR THE THROUGH TRAFFIC.

YEAH, ELM STANDIFER MURRAY, ALL THOSE STREETS ARE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. AND SENDING A BIG, HEAVY WORK TRUCK THAT'S COMING DOWN RIGHT AT SEVEN IN THE MORNING TO GET YOU A JOB SITE IS NOT GOING TO BE IDEAL GOING THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE A EXTERIOR OPTION THAT KEEPS THAT OUT OF THE NEIGHBOR, WE'LL WORK ON WITH TXDOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE FINDING THEIR OWN ROUTE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET IF IT'S THROUGH TRAFFIC, THEY CAN SPEAK TO THEIR HISTORY AND DALLAS, BUT THEY EXPLAIN TO US IN A MEETING YESTERDAY, YESTERDAY THAT THEY HAVE A VERY SUBSTANTIAL KIND OF PRE NOTICE THAT GOES OUT. WE LET PEOPLE KNOW. WE PUT OUT SIGNS. THEY DO EVERYTHING TO DOOR HANGERS ALONG THE ROUTE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. IF YOU LIVE ALONG THE ROUTE HOW LONG IS THE STREET TYPICALLY CLOSED? WHAT IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY? ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO THAT THE THE NEIGHBORS ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN ROUTE THE MAJORITY OF TRAFFIC WITHOUT WITHOUT TOO MUCH INCIDENT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK IT'S AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY. WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE THE PREMIER NONPROFIT.

ORGANIZERS IN THE COUNTRY THAT WANTS TO DO A RACE IN MCKINNEY. I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL, AND I THINK TO JUSTIN'S POINT THAT THE THE IMPACT IS MINIMAL IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THESE PINCH POINTS, IF YOU WILL. SO TO TO BE ABLE TO LET YOU GUYS WORK THROUGH THE, THE ROUTING OF THE OF THE RACE TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EXPOSE MCKINNEY TO HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE THAT 5000, 6000 PEOPLE THAT THEY BRING. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. THERE'S NONE BETTER THAN DALLAS DALLAS MARATHON TO DO THIS. AND I THINK JUSTIN COMMITTED TO RUN. RICK AND I ARE NOT RUNNING. I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT. HE'S RUNNING. HE'S CUTTING THE RIBBON. MAYBE. MR. MAYOR, I

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ANYONE ELSE. THAT'S THRESHOLD. QUESTION NUMBER ONE YOU DON'T GET OFF THAT EASY. THAT'S WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MAKE THE EXCEPTION. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS YES.

THE SECOND THRESHOLD QUESTION IS HOW OFTEN DO WE WANT TO DO THIS. WHAT PARAMETERS AROUND EXCEPTIONS IS THE COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH? CAN WE REVISIT THAT AFTER HAVING THIS TRIAL RUN. SO NO MORE UNTIL AFTER I AGREE. AND YEAH, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S AGREE NOW TO TO ALLOW THIS AND SEE HOW THIS WORKS. THIS DOESN'T MEAN PRECEDENCE FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND FROM A COST STANDPOINT IS THERE A BURDEN ON THE CITY. SO BECAUSE THIS IS A PRIVATE EVENT AND IT IS ON A NON PREFERRED ROUTE, THAT THE COST OF THE TRAFFIC CONTROL AND THE DEVICES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE BORNE BY THE EVENT. I'M SURE THERE WILL BE STAFF ON HAND. SO THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SOME TIME SPENT, SOME PERSONNEL HOURS ON THIS EVENT. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE OUR TYPICAL EVENTS THAT WE ARE PRODUCING WHERE LIKE THIS LAST WEEKEND HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS, OUR DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, CULTURAL DISTRICT AND MAIN STREET STAFF, THEY WORKED THE ENTIRE WEEKEND AND IT'S JUST A HUGE BURDEN FOR THEM. SO THIS WOULD BE A PRIVATELY RUN EVENT AND WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE THE COSTS ARE BORNE BY THE PRIVATE EVENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MARY, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD? I'M SEEING THE HEAD NODS AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE DIRECTION, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK FORWARD. WE WILL HAVE THE RESOLUTION ON THE CLOSURE OF THE TEXAS STATE HIGHWAY HERE ON THE UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETING. IS THERE ANYTHING THE GROUP NEEDS TO ADD BACK HERE IF THEY THEY'VE SAT THROUGH A LOT TONIGHT. OKAY TO COME AND JOIN US? I THINK THEY'RE GOOD. GOOD. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. NEXT ITEM WOULD BE COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATES. ANY REPORTS BOARDS

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