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TRAINING SOMEBODY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. IT IS 4:53 P.M. WE. I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING FOR THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD. TODAY IS TUESDAY, MAY 5TH, AND WE'RE AT 401 EAST VIRGINIA STREET HERE AT MCKINNEY CITY HALL. FIRST ORDER IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANY AGENDA ITEMS. IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE AGENDA ITEMS,
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PLEASE STEP FORWARD. SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT ITEMS. ITEMS 26-0367 DOWN TO 26-0370. AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THOSE MINUTES. MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. I'LL SECOND. MOTION BY MARY AND SECOND BY RICK FRANKLIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER[26-0371 McKinney Urban Transit District Board Member Introduction]
26-0371. MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD MEMBER INTRODUCTIONS. JEFF. GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND INTRODUCE OUR NEW BOARD MEMBERS. I WILL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES ACTUALLY. SO GAIL, IF YOU'LL START US OFF. GAIL DANSBY, I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ADMIN SERVICES FOR THE CITY OF MELISSA. PAT KELLY, MAYOR OF CITY OF LARRY CARLSON. AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO SWEAR THEM IN. DO WE WANT TO KEEP GOING? YEAH. I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN. WE'VE GOT. WE'VE GOT ONE MORE. ONE MORE.SORRY. SO MAYBE WE SHOULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE. ALL THE WAY DOWN. THESE ARE NEW BOARD MEMBERS. BUT OF COURSE WE CAN. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE INTEL'S ERNEST LYNCH. CITY. COUNCIL AT LARGE. MCKINNEY. MICHAEL JONES, CITY COUNCILMAN AT LARGE. MCKINNEY. DOCTOR. FELTUS MCKINNEY. CITY COUNCIL. DISTRICT THREE. AND MAYOR PRO TEM BILL COX, THE MAYOR OF MCKINNEY. PATRICK MCKINNEY. CITY COUNCIL. DISTRICT TWO.
RICK FRANKLIN MCKINNEY. CITY COUNCIL. DISTRICT FOUR. JUSTIN BELLAR. DISTRICT ONE MCKINNEY.
AND WE DO HAVE A VACANCY ON THE BOARD CURRENTLY FOR CITY OF PRINCETON. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS SWEARING IN FOR OUR NEW MEMBERS. YES. ONE AT A TIME. WE'LL DO GAIL FIRST. OKAY. THE MICROPHONE. I DON'T NEED THE MICROPHONE. WHO'S GOING TO HOLD THAT MICROPHONE? OKAY. OKAY, GAIL, IF YOU WILL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I, GAIL DANSBY, I, GAIL DANSBY, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE. THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES AS A MEMBER, THE DUTIES AS A MEMBER OF THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD OF THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS. OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS, AND WILL, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS. THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE AND OF THIS STATE. SO HELP ME GOD, SO HELP ME GOD. THANK YOU. SERVING THE CITY. THANK YOU.
MR. IF YOU WILL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME. I, PAT KELLY, I, PAT KELLY, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE. I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES AS A MEMBER, THE DUTIES AS A MEMBER OF THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD, MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS. CITY. MCKINNEY, TEXAS. AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS. THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE AND OF THE STATE. SO HELP ME GOD, SO HELP ME GOD. WELCOME TO THE BOARD AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU BOTH.
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ITEM 26-0372. CONSIDER. DISCUSS. ACT ON ELECTION OF OFFICERS. OKAY, SO WE NEED TO ELECT SOME NEW OFFICERS. BRIAN UNFORTUNATELY DID NEED TO LEAVE, BUT HE DID STATE THAT HE WAS WILLING TO STAY AS THE NON-VOTING CHAIR. IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE[00:05:01]
WANT TO KEEP. AGAIN, OUR PRINCETON SEAT IS VACANT AT THIS TIME, BUT WE ARE NEEDING TO ELECT A BOARD CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND A SECRETARY. OKAY, I'LL NOMINATE BRIAN MILLER AS THE NON-VOTING CHAIR. WE'VE GOT A SECOND. ALL RIGHT, SO NOMINATION BY PATRICK, A SECOND BY MAYOR COX. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. AND FOR THE ELECTION OF. I'M SORRY.SLOW DOWN A SECOND, OKAY. I'M GONNA GIVE HER AN EFFICIENT MEETING. OKAY. AND NOW ON TO THE VICE CHAIR. DO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR THE VICE CHAIR? I'LL NOMINATE MICHAEL JONES TO BE THE VICE CHAIR NOMINATION FOR MICHAEL JONES. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. THE SECOND BY RICK FRANKLIN. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE.
ANY OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN A SECRETARY. YES. CORRECT. AND DO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR SECRETARY? I NOMINATE ERNEST LYNCH NOMINATION FOR ERNEST LYNCH. SECOND SECONDED BY PATRICK CLAUDETTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. ALL. MOTION CARRIES. DON'T WORK THAT
[26-0373 Transit Service Update]
WAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 26-0373. TRANSIT SERVICE UPDATE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RYAN MCCUTCHEON. I'M A PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT AND ALSO SERVES AS A PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS COLLIN COUNTY TRANSIT PROGRAM. NOW TODAY, WHAT YOU WILL SEE FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THESE BOARD MEETINGS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PRESENTATION. WITH THE HELP OF CITY STAFF, WE HAVE RETOOLED OUR PRESENTATION TO SHOW INFORMATION IN A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT LIGHT. SO YOU WILL SEE SOME NEW CHARTS AND GRAPHS ALONG THE WAY. AND AGAIN, AT ANY TIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE AND I'LL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THEM. SO FIRST WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR RIDERSHIP AND OUR DEMAND FROM OUR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. AND WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS WE TOOK AN ANNUAL SNAPSHOT OF WHAT OUR AVERAGE ACTIVE RIDERS ARE. AND BEFORE I GET INTO THE NUMBERS, I DO WANT TO DEFINE WHAT AN ACTIVE RIDER IS. IT IS A CUSTOMER WHO HAS TAKEN A RIDE WITHIN A SPECIFIC PERIOD. AND SO YOU WILL SEE THAT WE STARTED THIS SERVICE BACK IN 2022, WHEN DCTA TRANSITIONED IT TO DART, AND WE HAD RIDERS FROM THAT PROGRAM THAT ARE ACTUALLY SOME OF THOSE WRITERS ARE STILL USING THE PROGRAM TODAY. SO PEOPLE WE ACCUMULATE THESE ACTIVE RIDERS AS WE ONBOARD THEM THROUGHOUT THE PROGRAM. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE RIDERS WHO TAKE A RIDE WITHIN A SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD. AND WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS AN ARC OF HOW THAT RIDERSHIP HAS GROWN OVER THE YEARS. AND AS WE STAND IN THIS CALENDAR YEAR, OUR AVERAGE ACTIVE RIDERS IS 461. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IN THE MONTHS OF JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH, WE SAW AN AVERAGE NUMBER OF RIDERS AT 400, AROUND 450, 460 TO GET US TO THAT 461 NUMBER. AND THAT NUMBER CONTINUES TO GROW OVER TIME. NEXT, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONBOARDED RIDERS AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE FROM AN ANNUAL PERSPECTIVE. AND ALSO THE AVERAGE PERSPECTIVE. NOW ONBOARDED RIDERS, WE ONLY COUNT THEM ONCE BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR SERVICE AND THEY ARE APPROVED, THAT IS WHEN THEY ARE DEEMED ELIGIBLE AND THEY ARE ONBOARDED INTO THE SYSTEM. AND AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD. IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE ARE GOING THROUGH A RECERTIFICATION PROCESS OF RIDERS THAT CAME FROM THAT VERY EARLY STAGES OF 2022. SO WE ARE ACTIVELY RECERTIFYING PEOPLE, MAKING SURE THAT THEY LIVE WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES, AND THEY ALSO ADHERE TO THE OTHER ELIGIBILITY COMPONENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROGRAM. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NEW, WELCOME FOR AN ELIGIBILITY STANDPOINT, YOU MUST BE A SENIOR 65 OR OVER A WRITER WITH A DISABILITY OR QUALIFY AS A LOW INCOME RIDER. AND WHAT WE COULD SEE ON AVERAGE IS THAT WE ON BOARD PROBABLY AROUND 30 PEOPLE PER MONTH AND THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE SEEN A DECREASE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE ON BOARD ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND THOSE NUMBERS[00:10:01]
CONTINUE TO GO DOWN BECAUSE WE ARE REACHING. I'M NOT. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WE'VE REACHED ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM. PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS PROGRAM THEY ARE APPLYING, AND THEY ARE BEING GRANTED ELIGIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS SERVICE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE NUMBERS DISPLAYED ON THIS TABLE HERE. SO NOW LOOKING AT THE COMPOSITION OF THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT WE HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH OUR ONBOARDING PROCESS, AGAIN, SENIORS, DISABLED, LOW INCOME RIDERS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE IT BROKEN OUT BY SAMARITAN IN RIDERS. AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS, THE SAMARITAN END MAKES UP THE LARGEST PROPORTION OF THOSE WHO ARE ONBOARDED INTO THIS SYSTEM.AND THOSE NUMBERS FLUCTUATE THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS. BUT I THINK WHAT WE WOULD SEE OVER AN ANNUAL BASIS IS THE LOW INCOME HAS SLOWLY OVERTAKEN THE NUMBER OF SENIORS THAT ARE BEING ONBOARDED INTO THE SYSTEM, AND THOSE TWO MAKE UP THE LION'S SHARE OF WHAT OUR RIDERSHIP IS.
AND WITH DISABLED ALSO BEING A SMALLER PROPORTION OF WHAT OUR RIDERSHIP IS ON A MONTHLY BASIS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD BE IN ALL FOUR OF THESE CATEGORIES, RIGHT? A SENIOR WHO'S DISABLED, LOW INCOME AT SAMARITAN IN. WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT THE FIRST THREE CATEGORIES ARE A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY. AND WHEN WE ONBOARD PEOPLE INTO THE PROGRAM, IF THEY ARE A SENIOR, THAT IS THE CATEGORY THAT WE GO AFTER BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT THAT IS THE EASIEST HURDLE TO CLEAR WITH REGARDS TO THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SERVICE. BUT. YES, SIR. YES, MR. CLOUTIER, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN GO ACROSS MANY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO THIS SLIDE, I DO WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THIS SLIDE, BECAUSE I HAVE THROWN A LOT OF NUMBERS AT YOU. AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY OF THE WAY THAT WE ARE REPORTING ON THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF THIS PROGRAM. SO I WANT TO FIRST TALK ABOUT THE MULTIPLE COLUMNS THAT WE HAVE HERE. SO THE COST OF OPERATIONS THAT IS THE THE BILL OR THE INVOICES THAT WE RECEIVE FROM OUR THREE DIFFERENT TRANSIT PROVIDERS, THE FIRST BEING OUR WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE. THEN WE HAVE SERVICE THROUGH OUR TNC PARTNERS, OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK COMPANY PARTNERS, WHICH ARE LYFT AND UBER. AND ALSO, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT UBER WAS RECENTLY BOUGHT, BROUGHT INTO THIS PROGRAM AT THE BEGINNING OF DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. SO WE ARE SEEING MORE TNC VEHICLES, MORE ACCESS TO THOSE VEHICLES. AND WE'RE ALSO HOPING THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, HELPS WITH THE FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY OF THIS PROGRAM. SO NEXT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FORMULA THAT WE USE TO DERIVE WHAT THE AVERAGE SUBSIDY PER TRIP IS. AND SO WHAT THAT FORMULA IS, IS WE TAKE THE COST OF THE FLEET PROVIDERS. SO THE INVOICE THAT WE RECEIVE ON A MONTHLY BASIS FROM OUR WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE, FROM LYFT AND FROM UBER, WE SUBTRACT OUT THE FAREBOX REVENUE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL TRANSIT PROVIDERS. AND THEN WE DIVIDE IT BY THE NUMBER OF TRIPS UNIQUE TO THE TRANSIT PROVIDERS. AND THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY GIVES US OUR AVERAGE SUBSIDY PER TRIP. AND WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS THAT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WAVE OR THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE, OUR SUBSIDY PER TRIP IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $30 PER TRIP. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TAX, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE. SO WITH LYFT, IT AVERAGES OUT TO BE ABOUT $12 PER TRIP. AND FOR UBER IT'S AROUND $8 PER TRIP. AND SO ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE VERSUS THE TNC IS IT'S DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE THAT THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE WE'RE PAYING FOR ALL OF THE WHAT WE WOULD CALL DEADHEAD TIME OR NONPRODUCTIVE TIME. SO WHENEVER THE VEHICLE IS EITHER SITTING IDLE AND IT'S WAITING FOR ITS NEXT TRIP, OR IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF GOING ACROSS THE CITY TO GO PICK UP ITS NEXT TRIP, WE ARE ON THE CLOCK FOR PAYING THAT WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE AN HOURLY RATE. AND THE MAIN DIFFERENCE WITH THAT, AND ALSO THE TNC, IS THAT FOR THE TNC, WE'RE ONLY PAYING FOR WHEN THAT VEHICLE IS IN USE OF SERVICE, WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR ANY DEADHEAD TIME OR ANY UNPRODUCTIVE TIME. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A, A LARGE OR A MUCH MORE DISCOUNTED RATE WITH REGARDS TO THE TNC, WHY IS LYFT SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN UBER? BUT THAT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. SO WE ARE EXPLORING THAT WITH LYFT RIGHT NOW. ALSO, WHILE I DON'T HAVE A
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DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO YOU, WHAT I CAN ALSO SAY IS AFTER WE HAD THREE MONTHS WORTH OF DATA, WHAT WE DID IS WE CHANGED THE PRIORITY OF OUR TNC. SO WE MOVED LYFT TO A LOWER PRIORITY AND KEPT UBER AT THE MEDIUM PRIORITY, WHICH IS ALSO COMMISERATE WITH WHAT THE WAVE IS OR THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLE WE SAW. ONCE WE SAW THAT WE HAD DATA FOR AT LEAST ONE QUARTER AND WE COULD MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION, WE WORKED WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AT THE CITY OF MCKINNEY TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO UPDATE OUR PARAMETERS. AND SO LYFT, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK WHAT THEY WOULD SAY IS IT'S JUST THE GENERAL DEMAND AND THE ALGORITHM THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE THAT IS POTENTIALLY DRIVING UP COSTS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE TO SAY UBER HAS MORE VEHICLES OUT THERE, SO MAYBE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GIVING US A CHEAPER RATE. BUT ONCE WE SAW THAT UBER WAS COMING AT A MORE COST COMPETITIVE RATE, WE DID MAKE THAT CHANGE. AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL SEE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR NEXT PRESENTATIONS LATER ON THIS SUMMER AS WE LOOK AT THAT. AND WE DID LOOK AT THE DATA JUST RECENTLY, LYFT, BEFORE UBER CAME INTO PLAY, THEY WERE PROVIDING ABOUT 80% OF THE TRIPS. SINCE WE'VE MADE THIS CHANGE TO WHERE IT'S UBER AS THE HIGHER PRIORITY NOW IT'S ABOUT LYFT AT ABOUT 55%, UBER AT 45%. AND WE'RE TALKING THIS WE'VE ONLY DONE THIS FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS. SO WE DO ANTICIPATE THERE BEING MORE COST SAVINGS FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, AND THAT WE WILL SEE UBER DELIVER MORE SERVICE THAN LYFT IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. SO NEXT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TRIP CHARACTERISTICS. SO AGAIN, IN THE PAST WE'VE ALWAYS REALLY TALKED ABOUT AVERAGE WEEKDAY TRIPS BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THE WEEKDAYS IS WHERE WE SEE OUR MOST TYPICAL RIDERSHIP. BUT AGAIN, THROUGH THE SUGGESTION OF THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, WE ALSO REALLY WANTED TO PAY CLOSER ATTENTION TO SERVICE ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS. AND WHAT WE SEE, YOU KNOW, FROM AN AVERAGE WEEKDAY PERSPECTIVE, IS WE'RE MOVING ABOUT 260 TRIPS PER DAY FOR WEEKDAY FOR SATURDAY. IT'S LOWER THAN THAT. IT'S GENERALLY ABOUT 140 145, DEPENDING UPON THE SATURDAY. ALSO, THE WEATHER COMES INTO PLAY THERE AND THEN SUNDAY WE DO SEE A DECLINE IN SERVICE AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF OUR SERVICE ON SUNDAYS ARE PEOPLE TAKING ERRANDS AND THEN ALSO PEOPLE GOING TO CHURCH. SO WE DO SEE SOME SUPPRESSED RIDERSHIP NUMBERS ON THE WEEKEND. NEXT, WE WANT TO LOOK AT TRIP PURPOSE BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL IS VERY IMPORTANT TO BRING TO THE BOARD TO HELP YOU MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ON HOW WE CAN MAKE CHANGES FOR THE FUTURE. NOW, ONE THING I NEED TO POINT OUT ABOUT TRIP PURPOSE. THIS IS ONLY FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT BOOK TRIPS THROUGH OUR CALL CENTER. WE ARE ABLE TO ASK THE TRIP PURPOSE AS PEOPLE ARE BOOKING THEIR TRIP. WHEN PEOPLE ARE BOOKING THEIR TRIP THROUGH GO PASS, WE DO NOT ASK WHAT THE TRIP PURPOSE IS. WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING FOR THEIR ORIGIN AND DESTINATION AND THEN WE PROVIDE THEM SERVICE. WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR SOFTWARE PROVIDERS TO SEE THE FEASIBILITY OF ADDING THIS QUESTION INTO THE GO PASS APP. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY EXPLORING WITH CUBA. WHO IS THE ONE THAT DESIGNS OUR GO PASS APP TO INTEGRATE THAT INTO THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS WE ASK OUR CUSTOMERS. NOW, I DO WANT TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT INTO THIS. NOW, ONE THING THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THESE CATEGORIES, MEDICAL SCHOOL WORK AND OTHER, YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING TO YOURSELF, WE'RE MISSING A MAJOR CATEGORY HERE. AND THAT MAJOR CATEGORY IS HOME. IT IS AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED THAT ABOUT HALF OF OUR TRIPS EITHER BEGIN OR END AT HOME, JUST AS THE NATURE OF OUR SERVICE. WHEN PEOPLE. PEOPLE RELY UPON OUR SERVICE TO BASICALLY SAY THAT I NEED TO GO TO THE PHARMACY, AND THEN I'M GOING TO NEED THAT SAME REVERSE TRIP TO GET BACK HOME. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE OTHER CATEGORY, ONE CAN SAFELY ASSUME THAT AT LEAST HALF, IF NOT MORE OF THOSE RESPONSES WOULD BE CATEGORIZED AS HOME. AND AS SUCH, WE HAVE ADDED HOME. TO BEGIN, WE'RE COLLECTING THAT DATA IN THE BEGINNING IN THE MONTH OF MARCH, SO I WILL HAVE A MORE INFORMED TABLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU IN OUR NEXT PRESENTATION. BUT ULTIMATELY, WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THAT OF THOSE REPORTING, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE TRIPS ARE PRETTY EVENLY, ALMOST EVENLY SPLIT BETWEEN MEDICAL AND WORK. THOSE SEEM TO BE THE TWO DRIVING MOTIVATING FACTORS THAT PEOPLE RELY UPON. THE COLLIN COUNTY TRANSIT PROGRAM TO[00:20:05]
PROVIDE THEM TRANSPORTATION TO THESE TWO SPECIFIC CATEGORIES. NEXT, I WANT TO LOOK AT THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF TRIPS PER RIDER. NOW, AGAIN, CALLING BACK TO ON AVERAGE, WE HAVE AROUND OR AS OF THIS YEAR, WE HAVE AROUND 460 UNIQUE RIDERS USING OUR SYSTEM. SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE'RE PROVIDING ABOUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 7000 AND 8000 TRIPS PER MONTH. BUT WHEN IT'S BROKEN OUT OVER THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF TRIPS PER EACH UNIQUE RIDER, IT'S REALLY SOMEWHERE AROUND 15 TRIPS PER MONTH IS WHAT YOUR AVERAGE INDIVIDUAL IS TAKING. NOW, WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT I WOULD CATEGORIZE AS SUPER USERS. THEY'RE MAKING, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50 TRIPS OR MORE PER MONTH. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT FALL INTO A SMALLER CATEGORY THAN THAT. BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME RIDERS THAT ARE ONLY USING OUR SERVICE MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE PER MONTH. SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S REALLY BALANCING OUT, YOU KNOW, THE SUPER USERS OF OUR SERVICE TO THOSE THAT ARE JUST USING IT VERY INFREQUENTLY OVER THE COURSE OF A MONTH. BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE ALSO IN THIS CHART OR THIS TABLE IS THE ANNUAL AVERAGE NUMBER OF TRIPS PER RIDER. AND YOU CAN SEE IN 2022 IT WAS AT 11. IN 2023, IT GREW TO ALMOST 15. 2024 IS WHEN WE SAW THE HIGHEST WHEN IT WAS ALMOST 16 TRIPS PER MONTH. AND THEN IN THIS LAST YEAR, IT DIPPED DOWN BY ABOUT ONE TO ALMOST 15. SO NEXT WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE MONTHLY AVERAGE TRAVEL DISTANCES. AND WHERE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT IS I WANT TO CALL BACK TO IN MARCH OF 2024, 2025, WE MADE THE DECISION TO MOVE FROM A FLAT BASED RATE TO A DISTANCE BASED RATE. AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS VERY INDICATIVE OF WHY WE DECIDED TO GO WITH OUR BASE RATE OF BEING $5 TO BEGIN FOR ANY TRIPS UP TO SEVEN MILES, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE BASICALLY MAKING TRIPS THAT ARE SEVEN MILES OR LESS. SO ABOUT 60%. 6 IN 10 OF OUR RIDERS ARE USING THE SERVICE TO GO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ONE MILE AND SEVEN MILES TO COMPLETE THEIR TRIP, AND THEN THE NEXT LARGEST CATEGORY, CLEARLY, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE CATEGORY, IS THE 7 TO 23 MILES, ABOUT A LITTLE MORE THAN A THIRD OF OUR RIDERS ARE FALLING INTO THAT CATEGORY. AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE 23 MILES OR MORE TRIP, IT'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. BUT ANECDOTALLY, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROBABLY TRAVELING FROM MCKINNEY, GOING TO MY POSSIBILITIES IN PLANO. THAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY LONG DISTANCE TRIP THAT A LOT OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE MAKING FROM SOME OF OUR NORTHERN PARTS OF COLLIN COUNTY, TO GET TO THE ADULT DAY SCHOOL. THAT MY POSSIBILITIES RUNS DOWN IN PLANO. NEXT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE AVERAGE NO SHOW RATE. SO THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BOOKING A TRIP AND THEY NO SHOW US. AND SO THIS NUMBER IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE. WE ALWAYS WANT THIS NUMBER TO BE 5% OR LESS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH OUR CUSTOMERS ON. WHENEVER WE SEE A HIGH NUMBER OF NO SHOWS OR THEY'RE CANCELING THEIR TRIPS, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHY THEY'RE CANCELING THEIR TRIPS. IS IT THAT THEY'RE FORGETTING THAT THEY HAVE A RECURRING TRIP BOOKED? IS IT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE A TRIP WAS BOOKED ON THEIR BEHALF AND THEY WEREN'T REALIZING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAD SCHEDULED A TRIP FOR THEM? SO THAT IS THE ACTIVE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR CUSTOMERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN KEEP THIS NUMBER IN CHECK AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS VERY LITTLE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE PROGRAM. ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM IN THE PAST, IS WE REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT THE DISTRIBUTION OF OUR TRIPS BROKEN OUT BY THE TIME OF DAY.SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE DEFINITION OF OUR TIME OF DAY IS. SO OUR SERVICE ON THE WEEKDAYS BEGINS AT 6 A.M. AND SO WE HAVE DEFINED THE A M PEAK PERIOD FROM 6 A.M. TO 9 A.M.
FROM 9 A.M. TO 3 P.M. WE HAVE OUR MIDDAY SERVICE FROM 3 P.M. TO 6 P.M. WE HAVE OUR PM PEAK PERIOD SERVICE AND THEN OUR EVENING SERVICES FROM 6 P.M. TO 8 P.M. AND WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR USERS ARE BOOKING TRIPS TO BE DELIVERED IN THAT MIDDAY TIME PERIOD, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY SEEN AT DART EVER SINCE THE PANDEMIC, IS WE ARE SEEING MORE PEOPLE GRAVITATE TO BOOKING THEIR TRIPS TO ACTUALLY BE PERFORMED DURING THE MIDDAY. WE'RE SEEING LESS RELIANCE ON THOSE AM AND PM PEAK PERIODS. BUT ALSO, YOU
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KNOW, WHAT I CAN SAY WITH THE COLLIN COUNTY TRANSIT SERVICE IS THAT WE DO SEE A LARGE SHARE OF OUR RIDERS USING THE SERVICE IN THE PM PEAK PERIOD. AND I THINK WHAT THAT CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO IS ALL OF THE RECURRING TRIPS THAT WE HAVE FOR DIALYSIS. IT SEEMS LIKE ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAYS, FRIDAYS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF TWO AND SIX, THAT IS WHERE WE SEE OUR HIGHEST DEMAND, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES. AND THEN WE'RE COMING TO THE END. AND THIS AGAIN, IS A SLIDE WHERE THE DATA THAT WE ARE COLLECTING IS STRICTLY COMING THROUGH OUR CALL CENTER. WE DO GET RATED BOTH THROUGH UBER AND LYFT, BUT THOSE NUMBERS ARE VERY SMALL. BUT WHEN WE DO GET OUR RATING FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO BOOK THEIR TRIPS THROUGH THE CALL CENTER, WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS OVERWHELMINGLY, THOSE THAT ARE RATING OUR SERVICE ARE GIVING US VERY HIGH MARKS, FIVE STARS. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE AREN'T GETTING LOW MARKS. THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, AND WHENEVER WE SEE NEGATIVE COMMENTS OR REVIEWS FOR OUR SERVICE, WE DO REACH OUT TO THE INDIVIDUALS TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIR ISSUE WAS WITH THE SERVICE, TO SEE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE IT AND MAKE THEIR TRIP BETTER FOR THE FUTURE. SO WE DO REACH OUT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE SERVICE FOR THEM DURING THEIR NEXT TRIP. SO THAT BRINGS ME TO A CONCLUSION OF THIS PRESENTATION TODAY, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD HAS. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MANY SUPER USERS WE HAVE, OR WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR RIDERS ARE SUPER USERS? IT'S VERY SMALL. I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND 7%. OKAY, NOW THAT IS SOMETHING I COULD FOLLOW UP WITH AND I CAN GET YOU EXACT NUMBERS FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR. SO LET ME WORK WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH A BETTER RESPONSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS JUST ON THAT? WHAT DID WE ESTIMATED? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT A CAP OR THAT FOR A DIALYSIS PATIENT, THEY'RE GOING TO GO, I THINK 18 TIMES A YEAR. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO DOUBLE THAT BECAUSE IT'S TWO TRIPS. AND SO WE KIND OF THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, ALL ELSE, YOU KNOW, NO OTHER TRIPS. YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE UP THERE IN THE 3536 RANGE JUST TO, TO, TO HIT DIALYSIS. IF I, IF I RECALL THOSE NUMBERS, RIGHT. SO ARE WE. AND WE INCLUDING THOSE IN THE SUPER USERS, WE ARE. WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT, COUNCILMAN BELLER, IS WHEN I THINK OF DIALYSIS USERS, THEY'RE GOING GENERALLY THREE TIMES A WEEK. SO WITH, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLY THAT BY TWO AND IT BASICALLY GETS TO 24 TRIPS PER MONTH THAT A DIALYSIS PATIENT WOULD USE RELY UPON THIS SERVICE FOR. SO, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THOSE THAT ARE SUPER USERS, ANECDOTALLY, JUST THINKING OF A FEW OF THOSE, THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PARENTS THAT ARE BASICALLY WAKING UP IN THE MORNING, TAKING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL, DROPPING THEM OFF, AND THEN GOING TO WORK THEMSELVES. AND SO THEY'RE RACKING UP A HIGH NUMBER OF TRIPS OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY, JUST BASED ON ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO. I THINK ONE THING THAT WE CAN SAY IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN A REDUCTION, I WOULD SAY, IN FRIVOLOUS TRIPS, EVER SINCE WE MOVED FROM THE FLAT FARE TO THE DISTANCE BASED FARE, I THINK IT REALLY HAS MADE PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT, DO I REALLY NEED TO MAKE THIS TRIP? OR CAN IT WAIT? AND I THINK WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN THE FACT THAT OUR RIDERSHIP NUMBERS ARE NOT CONTINUING TO GROW AS THEY USED TO. THEY'RE MORE PLATEAUING AT THIS TIME. BUT I THINK THE ONE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT THERE ARE CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, AS I STATED EARLIER, ABOUT 30 PEOPLE THAT WERE ADDING TO THE SERVICE. SO IF YOU ADD 30, YOU KNOW, NEW MEMBERS EACH MONTH, AND THEN YOU COMBINE THAT WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THE ACTIVE USERS, THAT NUMBER CONTINUES TO GROW. SO YOU'RE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU RYAN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL[26-0374 Transit Service Funding Update]
RIGHT. ITEM 26-037 FOR TRANSIT SERVICE FUNDING UPDATE. HELLO AGAIN, JASMINE TUCKER, CITY OF MCKINNEY TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR, I WILL BE DISCUSSING WITH YOU TODAY THE FINANCIAL OUTLOOK OF THE COLLIN COUNTY TRANSIT PROGRAM AND HOW WE CAN GET TO LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT BUT UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION TODAY, BUT I'M GLAD WE HAVE THE[00:30:06]
OPPORTUNITY TO BE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE HERE. STARTING OFF WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE OF THE SERVICE. SO IT'S A SUBSIDIZED SHARED RIDE SERVICE FOR ELIGIBLE RESIDENTS.RYAN WENT OVER THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST AGAIN, FOR LOW INCOME, SENIOR OR DISABLED INDIVIDUALS, THEY MUST LIVE IN A MEMBER CITY. MCKINNEY, MELISSA, PRINCETON, PROSPER, CELINA AND LOWRY CROSSING. OUR PROGRAM FUNDING IS A MIX OF STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS, MEMBER CITY CONTRIBUTIONS, AS WELL AS OUR FAREBOX REVENUES. AND WE HAVE THAT DYNAMIC FARE NOW. SO THAT IS INCREASING OUR FAREBOX REVENUE A LITTLE BIT. THIS SLIDE SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR.
THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF OUR CARES FUNDING, WHERE WE STARTED AND WHERE WE ARE NOW. WE STARTED WITH $8.8 MILLION BACK IN 2020, AND WE ARE NOW AROUND $4.3 MILLION, JUST UNDER HALF OF WHAT WE STARTED WITH. AND AT THE CURRENT RATE OF EXPENDITURE, WE ARE EXPECTING TO EXHAUST THESE FUNDS WITHIN FOUR YEARS. HERE I HAVE A LIST OF CHANGES THAT WE COULD DISCUSS TODAY. WE NEED TO BOTH INCREASE REVENUES AND REDUCE EXPENDITURES, AND THESE SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE IN THE PAST. JUST TO TO LIST A FEW, WE COULD SEEK ADDITIONAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, INCREASE MEMBER CITY CONTRIBUTIONS AS WELL AS LIMIT TRIP PURPOSE, A CAP ON TRIP FREQUENCY LIKE WE DISCUSSED, AND RESTRICT ON DEMAND SERVICE. WE THINK THAT A COMBINATION OF BOTH IS NEEDED TO MAKE THIS SUSTAINABLE. I TALKED ABOUT SOME GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. WE ARE PLANNING TO APPLY FOR TWO DIFFERENT ONE TIME FUNDING SOURCES, AS WELL AS EXPLORING PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WITH DIALYSIS CENTERS, MAJOR EMPLOYERS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENTITIES IN THE AREA. ALL RIGHT, EXPENDITURE REDUCTIONS, STARTING WITH TRIP CHARACTERISTICS, TRIP PURPOSE AND ALL OF THESE ARE PRESENTED AS OPTIONS. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE BOARD WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ANALYZE FURTHER, TO LIMIT TRIP PURPOSE TO MEDICAL ONLY. WE THINK THAT WE COULD SAVE 200 TO $300,000 ANNUALLY, BUT IT COULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY BURDENSOME. IT WOULD BE HARD TO TRACK TRIP PURPOSE AND ENFORCE IT. WE THINK FOR TRIP DISTANCE CAPPING TRIP DISTANCES TO SEVEN MILES PER RIDE, AND THAT IS BASED ON OUR CURRENT FARE STRUCTURE. WE THINK THAT THIS COULD REALLY OFFSET OUR COSTS BY 500 TO $600,000 ANNUALLY, REDUCING AT LEAST 400, I'M SORRY, 4000 MONTHLY VEHICLE MILES. THIS AND A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WILL REQUIRE SOFTWARE PROGRAMING, WHICH WOULD BE UPFRONT COSTS FOR FREQUENCY CAPPING TRIP FREQUENCY LIKE WE JUST DISCUSSED, POSSIBLY AT 20 RIDES, BUT THAT COULD EXCLUDE SOME OF OUR GROUPS. WE KNOW THAT OUR RIDERS TAKE AN AVERAGE OF 15 TRIPS PER MONTH. THIS COULD SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE OUR COSTS, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME SOFTWARE PROGRAMING. AND WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IT COULD CUT OUT SOME OF OUR DIALYSIS PATIENTS. MOVING ON TO RIDERSHIP AND DEMAND, REMOVING A ELIGIBILITY GROUP SUCH AS LOW INCOME. WE KNOW THAT THIS GROUP IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR PROGRAM, BUT IT'S ALSO THE NEWEST PART OF OUR PROGRAM. WE ADDED THIS A FEW YEARS AGO, AND THIS WOULD REDUCE OUR OPERATING COSTS BY $600,000 ANNUALLY. ON THE OTHER HAND, WE KNOW THAT THESE RIDERS, PROBABLY SOME OF THESE RIDERS, PROBABLY FALL INTO ANOTHER ELIGIBILITY CATEGORY. REDUCING OUR SERVICE HOURS. CURRENTLY, WE RUN 6 A.M.
TO 8 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 A.M. TO 8 P.M. SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. WE'RE LOOKING AT REDUCING SERVICE HOURS IN THE WEEKDAYS FROM 14 TO 12 HOURS, AND THEN ON THE WEEKENDS FROM 12 TO 10 HOURS. THIS HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT FOR US. AND THEN ON DEMAND RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN BOOK A TRIP AND GET A RIDE WITHIN 10 TO 15 MINUTES. IF YOU'RE OPTED IN TO OUR TNC PROGRAM. WE COULD LOOK AT MAKING IT TO WHERE YOU HAD TO BOOK A TRIP 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE.
WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF OUR RIDERS, AROUND 70% BOOK SAME DAY TRIPS, REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE THAT PRIOR KNOWLEDGE IN BOOKING TRIPS IN ADVANCE COULD REDUCE OUR OPERATING COSTS.
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THIS WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT PROGRAMING THROUGH THE GO PASS APP, AS IT'S NOT CURRENTLY EQUIPPED TO DO SO. JASMINE, CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT YOUR CRITERIA IS FOR LOW INCOME? WHO QUALIFIES? IT IS UNDER, I THINK, 150%. AM I THE POVERTY GUIDELINES? OKAY. THANK YOU.ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE TWO UNDER WHAT AM I SAY THAT AGAIN IS GOING TO BE 100% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY GUIDELINES. YES. 5150. I'M SORRY. YES. AND IS THAT PRETTY STANDARD? UNDER 50%? YES. 150%. OKAY. 150% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY. OKAY. NOT AM I THEN OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN AM I HOUSING ON MY BRAIN? JASMINE, IN TERMS OF OF LIKE YOU LIST DISTANCE AS ONE OF THE CAPS THAT HAS A DIFFERENT IMPACT ON THOSE COMING FROM MCKINNEY THAN IT DOES FROM THOSE COMING FROM PRINCETON OR PROSPER. AND SEVEN MILES MAY BE PERFECTLY FINE FOR MCKINNEY, BUT THAT MAY BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS. DO WE KNOW WHERE THOSE ORIGINATE FROM? AND, I MEAN, WE MENTIONED MY POSSIBILITIES. I DID A SEARCH THAT'S 18 MILES FROM MCKINNEY. SO EVEN CABINET AT 23, WE STILL ARE SENDING PEOPLE THERE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY OVER 23 FROM PRINCETON. YES. SO I GUESS LIKE THAT IT SEEMS TO HAVE A LESSER IMPACT ON US AND THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE THAN MAYBE THE OTHER CITIES. SO. RIGHT. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF OF ELIGIBILITY, THE GROUPS, MAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE.
YEAH, OKAY. SORRY. OKAY, I'LL LET YOU FINISH. I ENCOURAGE DISCUSSION. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OF THESE ITEMS FOR US TO TAKE BACK AND DO FURTHER FEASIBILITY AND ANALYSIS ON. YOU KNOW, I'LL THROW THIS IN AS FAR AS THE ELIGIBILITY AND THINGS GO. I MEAN, MAN, IN THE ON DEMAND, I'M THINKING WE PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE THIS THING PRICED TO A POINT THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET RIDES FROM FRIENDS AND FAMILY, AND IF THEY SOMETHING FALLS THROUGH, THEN THEY CALL US. AND THAT DOESN'T WORK ON A, ON A HAVE TO BOOK 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE. NOTICE THIS IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT I LOOK AT THIS, AND I WONDER HOW MUCH OF THIS IS KEEPING PEOPLE FROM HOMELESSNESS, WHICH IS A WHOLE NOTHER PROBLEM FOR US.
RIGHT. AND, AND I HAVE AN APPETITE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THAT. THE DIALYSIS THING STRIKES ME AS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE DIALYSIS IS PROFOUNDLY EXPENSIVE. IF YOU'RE BELOW 65. MY RECOLLECTION IS BECAUSE MY MOTHER IN LAW HAD IT. YOU'RE PAYING WITH INSURANCE AND OUT OF POCKET FOR THE FIRST X DAYS BEFORE YOU AUTOMATICALLY GO ON MEDICARE. AND THAT IS AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION. I'VE GOT TO THINK THAT IT'S A BIT OF A PROFITABLE PROPOSITION FOR THE DIALYSIS CENTERS. SO I HAVE AN APPETITE FOR THEM TO BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS BY SUBSIDIZING THEIR THEIR RIDES. SO THAT'S A BIG ONE FOR ME. THE OTHER ONES I'M I'M TEPID ON THESE. I WOULD KIND OF GO AN ADJUNCT TO THE THE DISTANCE TRAVELED, I BELIEVE AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A HEAT MAP SHOWING. AND I DON'T REMEMBER. I'M RECALLING VAGUELY IN MY MIND. IT'S BEEN. I'VE SLEPT A FEW NIGHTS SINCE WE SAW IT, BUT THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE, THE MILEAGE, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH PROSPER IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE TRIPS, I BELIEVE WERE MADE TO THE GATES OF PROSPER, I THINK. SO I WOULD I WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT PERSONALLY. SO WE REALLY. AND IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT IT MAY OR MAY NOT IMPACT, YOU KNOW, OUR FOLKS POTENTIALLY. I THINK IT COULD. YEAH, STAFF CAN CERTAINLY PUT TOGETHER AN ANALYSIS OF DISTANCE TRAVELED IN AND OUT OF DIFFERENT CITIES AS WELL. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT TOGETHER TO SEE THE IMPACT OF THAT SPECIFIC OPTION. PERFECT. THANK YOU. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE CURRENT RATE RIGHT NOW WE CAN GO WE CAN EXTEND THIS PROGRAM FOR FOUR YEARS WITH THE IT'S FUNDED FOR FOUR YEARS. IF WE DID NOTHING. YES, FOUR YEARS AT CURRENT SPEND. SO JASMINE, TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. LIKE, I GUESS THERE'S TWO DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE IN THIS PATHWAY. ONE IS DO WE SPEND THE MONEY? AND IF WE DECIDE TO SPEND THE MONEY, WE SPEND IT AT SOME PRESCRIBED PACE. RIGHT. AND SO AT THIS PACE, THAT'S AN EIGHT YEAR BURN RATE FROM 2021
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WHEN WE GOT THIS MONEY TO 20, YOU SAY FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, 2020 10 OR 2020, 2030. YEAH. SO EIGHT, NINE YEAR BURN RATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE BURN RATE TO ME. I GET WANTING CUSHION IN THERE, BUT I GUESS I'M KIND OF HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING AND USING THIS FUNDING IN THIS WAY UNTIL WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE. AND THEN I THINK WE'VE GOT A DISCUSSION ON IS THIS SERVICE VALUABLE ENOUGH, AND WHERE DO WE FIND THAT MONEY? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S A FAIRLY EASY ANSWER IN THAT EQUATION. BUT UNTIL WE HAVE TO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GO ASKING THAT QUESTION. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M FINE WITH SPENDING THE MONEY. YEAH. BUT OTHERWISE, WHAT IS IT FOR? LIKE, IF IT'S NOT TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO PEOPLE THROUGH TRANSIT OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, THEN WHAT'S IT FOR? I MEAN, WHAT IS OUR BURN? WHAT SHOULD OUR BURN RATE BE? SHOULD IT BE 30 YEARS THAT WE SPEND THAT MONEY? I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS GROWN BEYOND WHAT WE THOUGHT IT COULD BE, AND THAT MONEY HAS BEEN NOW USED TO MAKE UP GAP IN THE BUDGET. YEAH, ALMOST $1 MILLION. AND SO WHEN THAT RUNS OUT, WHO PONIES UP THE MILLION DOLLARS? I MEAN, I CAN GO DOWN A LIST OF PEOPLE, BUT UNTIL WE UNTIL THAT MONEY RUNS OUT, UNTIL THAT MONEY RUNS OUT, LIKE I DON'T WANT TO CUT SERVICE AND SAY I DON'T EITHER, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, SOME COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO ASK THE EDC FOR $1 MILLION TO, TO FILL THIS GAP. AND I'M GONNA LET SOME COUNCIL DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO CUT, CUT SERVICE TO SAVE SOME COUNCIL. RIGHT. 15 YEARS AFTER WE GOT THIS MONEY.RIGHT. SO I GUESS I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE BURN RATE. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE? I KIND OF AGREE. I WAS LOOKING AT THE FEDERAL POVERTY GUIDELINES AND WONDERING, AND I THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT RYAN CAN STEP IN AND SAY, I'M ASSUMING 150% IS PROBABLY PRETTY STANDARD FOR WHAT YOU QUALIFY FOR LOW INCOME WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSIT. YES. DOCTOR FELT IT IS. SO CUTTING IT DOWN FURTHER THAN THAT. I MEAN, FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, THAT WOULD BE AT $49,500 A YEAR.
THAT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. RIGHT? SO TRYING TO LOWER THE THRESHOLD THAT WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF QUALIFY PEOPLE UNDER LOW INCOME, I DON'T THINK IS A REASONABLE WAY TO SAVE THE BUDGET. SO I TEND TO AGREE WITH JUSTIN ON THIS. I MEAN, WE'D BE SQUEEZING PEOPLE QUITE THIN IF WE GO ANY LOWER THAN THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? LIKE I SAID, CARES FUNDING ACCOUNTS FOR ALMOST $1 MILLION OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET. IT'S MAKING UP A SIGNIFICANT GAP, AND WE DON'T NEED TO FILL THAT GAP ENTIRELY BECAUSE THE MORE WE HAVE IN LOCAL MATCH, THE MORE WE CAN DRAW DOWN ON THOSE FEDERAL BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT AREN'T CARES WITH THAT 5050 MATCH. SO WE DON'T HAVE $1 MILLION THAT WE NEED TO FILL THE HOLE ON, AND WE CAN DO THIS SLOWLY OVER TIME. IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT RINGING ALARM BELLS NOW, BUT WE JUST WANT TO PREPARE THE BOARD FOR THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE RUN UP AGAINST THIS CLOCK HERE IN FOUR YEARS. THE FTA WANTS US TO SPEND THIS MONEY. THEY ENCOURAGE US TO. SO IT'S IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE FOR NOW. WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THESE OPTIONS. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH GOING AFTER DIALYSIS CENTERS. YEAH, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE REVENUE OPTIONS. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE WITH THE CUTS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE DEEP. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY. WELL. YEAH, NEVER MIND. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, I, I THINK I HAVE MY MARCHING ORDERS TO GO AFTER THE DIALYSIS CENTERS AND POSSIBLY OTHER BUCKETS OF MONEY. OKAY, OKAY. SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE.
NEXT STEPS. I WILL HAVE A REPORT ON WHAT I FIND PARTNERING WITH THESE OTHER ENTITIES AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT INCREASING OUR REVENUE AND NOT NECESSARILY CUTTING SERVICE. AND I'LL PRESENT THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER
[26-0375 Consider/Discuss Updates to McKinney Urban Transit District Bylaws]
QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS 26-0375. CONSIDER DISCUSS UPDATES TO THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BYLAWS. OKAY, LAST ONE HERE. SO WE ARE[00:45:04]
LOOKING AT UPDATING OUR BYLAWS. THE MCKINNEY URBAN TRANSIT DISTRICT BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2017, AND WE HAVE GROWN AND CHANGED SO MUCH SINCE THEN. BUT OUR BYLAWS HAVE STAYED THE SAME.SO WE WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE AND MODERNIZE THOSE JUST A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID.
POSSIBLE CHANGES WE'RE CONSIDERING IS MEMBER CITY WITHDRAWAL PROCESS. THERE'S NO CURRENT PROCESS FOR THIS. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR CITIES TO DO THAT. SO WE ARE DISCUSSING THAT WITH LEGAL COST SHARING POLICY POLICY COMPLIANCE PROCEDURES.
AGAIN THERE'S NOTHING IN THE BYLAWS STATING COMPLIANCE WITH THE COST SHARING POLICY, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE OUR REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE MEMBER CITY CONTRIBUTIONS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S OUTLINED AND THEN REVISE ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENT MINIMUM OF TWO MEETINGS PER CALENDAR YEAR JUST TO ENCOURAGE COLLABORATION DISCUSSION AMONGST ALL OF THE CITIES ON THE BOARD. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE ADDED ADDITIONALLY OR AMENDED ABOUT THOSE? CAN I THIS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BYLAWS. I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH MEMBER CITIES, BUT SOMETHING LIKE TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE POTENTIAL CHANGES OF THE AREA, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE EVER GOTTEN SOME UPDATE ON THAT, BUT IT INCLUDED A BIG PART OF FRISCO. YES. IN THE UPDATED AREA THAT WE SERVE. AND I DID SEE TODAY THAT THEY ANNOUNCED SOME PROGRAM TO, TO GIVE RIDE SHARES OR SOMETHING WITHIN. I ASSUME THAT'S THEIR REMAINING ZONE THAT'S NOT SERVED BY US, BUT IT MAY BE A BIGGER ZONE THAT I JUST DO. WE HAVE SOME CONCLUSION TO THAT. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THAT HAPPENED BASICALLY FOR THE FUTURE, THAT THOSE URBANIZED DISTRICTS ARE FOR FUTURE MONEY. WE'RE STILL DRAWING DOWN ON 2016 FEDERAL FUNDS, OLD, OLD MONEY. AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH ANY OF THAT NEW MONEY. THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE NEW TRANSIT DISTRICT UNTIL WE GET RID OF ALL THIS OLD MONEY. AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LOCAL FUNDS, WE DON'T DRAW DOWN THE FEDERAL FUNDS VERY FAST. SO IT MIGHT CHANGE AGAIN BEFORE WE EVER GET TO THAT MONEY. AS THE CONCLUSION THAT WE'VE ARRIVED AT. AND FRISCO, ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY ACTUALLY GENERAL FUND THEIR PROGRAM ENTIRELY. THEY DON'T APPLY FOR FEDERAL FUNDS. THEY ARE ELIGIBLE ACTUALLY FOR OUR OUR STATE FUNDS, BUT THEY DON'T APPLY FOR THOSE EITHER. SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE TO SPLIT THOSE LOCAL STATE FUNDS WITH THEM, WITH THEM.
THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THEM. SO, OKAY, ANY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BYLAWS? OKAY. WELL, WE WILL DISCUSS THIS WITH LEGAL AND WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THOSE? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
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