[CALL TO ORDER]
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          GOOD. OKAY. 3:01 P.M. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S WORK SESSION OF TUESDAY, JUNE 16TH, 3 P.M. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THOSE OF YOU IN PERSON AND THOSE OF YOU WATCHING ON ON TV. 
          [PUBLIC COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS]
THE FIRST ITEM WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON AN AGENDA ITEM. SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL DURING THIS WORK SESSION. NOBODY. MISS BLACK. WE HAVE ANY CARDS. HI, EVERYBODY. WE MEET AGAIN. YOU READY? OKAY. 
          YEP. OKAY. I'M SORRY. Y'ALL, I HAVE TO READ TODAY. OKAY. PARKING. PARKING LOT. OBVIOUSLY, IN 2015. ISH? 17. I MAY HAVE THAT DATE WRONG A LONG TIME AGO. DOWNTOWN PARKING COMMITTEE WAS CHARGED WITH IDENTIFYING THE MOST APPROPRIATE CITY LOT FOR PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN. THE COMMITTEE IDENTIFIED THE MUNICIPAL COURT BUILDING LOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE. 
          THE LOT WAS CHOSEN FOR ITS PROXIMITY TO A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. LOT SIZE. THE FACT THAT THERE IS A DEFICIT OF PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THAT PARKING IN THAT LOCATION WOULD BRING THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC INTO THE SQUARE. IT WAS ALSO NOTED THAT THE ESTHETICS OF A PARKING GARAGE WOULD NOT FIT IN WITH OUR DOWNTOWN CHARACTER, SO ITS LOCATION SHOULD NOT BE IN PLAIN SIGHT OF DOWNTOWN PROPER. A RECOMMENDATION WAS ALSO MADE NOT TO BUILD A GARAGE WEST OF KENTUCKY STREET BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE WEST SIDE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. FAST FORWARD 2023, AS THE CITY BEGAN CONSIDERING THE TEARDOWN OF OUR CITY HALL AND DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES BUILDINGS, THEY PUT FORTH A MASSIVE EFFORT TO SURVEY CITY RESIDENTS STAKEHOLDER GROUPS TO GET FEEDBACK REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT OF THOSE CITY LOTS, PLUS THREE OTHERS. TOWN HALL MEETINGS WERE HELD ONLINE, SURVEYS WERE CONDUCTED AND STAKEHOLDER GROUPS WERE INTERVIEWED. IN ADDITION, RESIDENT STAKEHOLDER SURVEYS WERE SENT OUT TO THE MCKINNEY CARES FACEBOOK PAGE AND TO THE MHAR MCKINNEY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. JUST SHY OF 1000 RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED ACROSS ALL AVENUES, RESULTING IN A CLEAR MESSAGE PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. DON'T BUILD ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND MORE PARKING IS DESIRED. THE CITY MOVED FORWARD WITH DEVELOPER SELECTION AND NEGOTIATIONS BEGAN. HERE WE ARE, 2026. THINGS HAVE CHANGED. 
          REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR CITY LOTS WAS REDIRECTED FROM A SINGLE DEVELOPER PROJECT TO A LOT BY LOT SELL OFF AND BUILDING A HOTEL, WHICH HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY THE CITY'S FIRST PRIORITY, HAS SUDDENLY BEEN REPLACED BY BUILDING A PARKING GARAGE. OUR DOWNTOWN HOMELESS POPULATION HAS ALSO GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY, WHICH CREATED THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL ORDINANCES TO BE PUT IN PLACE TO HELP MITIGATE OVERNIGHT CAMPING AND PANHANDLING. WHAT HASN'T CHANGED IS THAT WE STILL HAVE A PARKING DEFICIT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THE BUILDING HEIGHT STILL MATTERS, AND OUR RESIDENTS STILL WANT THE CITY TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORIC CHARACTER. FACING A PARKING GARAGE ON KENTUCKY. AND HUNT WILL NOT ONLY BRING MORE CARS AND EXHAUST INTO DOWNTOWN, IT WILL FEED HEAVY TRAFFIC INTO OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHOSE STREETS ARE TOO NARROW FOR THAT KIND OF USE. IT'S VERY LIKELY IT WILL BECOME A HAVEN FOR OUR HOMELESS, CAUSING MULTIPLE LEVELS OF CONCERN FOR BUSINESS OWNERS, THEIR STAFF, VISITORS TO MCKINNEY AND NEARBY RESIDENTS. SIX STORIES WILL TOWER OVER OUR CURRENT DOWNTOWN LANDSCAPE, AND NO MATTER HOW HARD THE DEVELOPER MIGHT TRY, THERE IS NO WAY TO BLEND IN A BUILDING OF THAT SIZE WITHOUT DETRACTING IT FROM OUR OUR HISTORIC CHARACTER. THE LOSS OF TREES ALONE WILL BE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO DOWNTOWN EXPERIENCE. IN OTHER WORDS, THE MAJOR DIRECTIVES FROM THE PARKING COMMITTEE AND FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS WILL NOT BE MET WITH THIS PROPOSAL. THE DECISION TO PLACE A PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN IS A HEAVY ONE. 
          YOU HAVE ONE SHOT AT GETTING IT RIGHT. THE CURRENT PROPOSALS FROM THE DEVELOPER PUT US ON A PATH NOT TO. I'M ASKING FOR A COMMON SENSE APPROACH RATHER THAN JUST BECAUSE WE CAN. WE ARE. I WISH THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TABLING THIS ITEM AND DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO A MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION. THANKS, Y'ALL. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, MISS BLACK. ANYONE ELSE CARE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON. FIRST ITEM IS 26-0555. PRESENTATION 
          [26-0555 Presentation on the International City / County Management Association (ICMA) Local Government Management Fellowship (LGMF)]
ON THE INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. ICMA LOCAL GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT FELLOWSHIP. EMILY. THANK YOU AND GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM EMILY ANN BRIER, THE CURRENT 
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ICMA MANAGEMENT FELLOW IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. AND I'M HERE WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE ICMA FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM IS. SO ICMA STANDS FOR INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. IT IS A ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO PROFESSIONAL LOCAL GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT THROUGH THE PILLARS OF LEADERSHIP, INNOVATION AND ETHICS. SO THIS WAS AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS FOUNDED IN 1914. SO IT'S GOT QUITE A HISTORY TO IT. SO THIS IS RELEVANT TO THE STATE OF TEXAS IN PARTICULAR, AS IT HAS REALLY CLOSE TIES TO THAT FIELD. IN FACT, SOME OF THE EARLIEST ADOPTERS OF COUNCIL MANAGER GOVERNANCE ACTUALLY HAPPENED HERE IN TEXAS IN 1913. SO IN TRUE TEXAN FASHION, THERE WERE SOME CITIES HERE QUICKER ON THE DRAW. SO AS PART OF THAT PROFESSIONALISM, THE ICMA FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM WAS FOUNDED IN 2004 UNDER THE ICM UMBRELLA. IT BRINGS IN RECENT MASTER'S OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION GRADUATES, FILTERS THEM IN AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS, AND IT CREATES A POOL OF FINALISTS FOR THE CITIES TO CHOOSE TO INTERVIEW WITH AND THEN TO PLACE, THEN TO MAKE THAT PROCESS POSSIBLE. OTHER RESPECTED ORGANIZATIONS HAD BUY IN TO IT. SO THE NETWORK OF SCHOOLS OF PUBLIC POLICY, AFFAIRS AND ADMINISTRATION. THIS IS A BIT OF AN ALPHABET SOUP OF ACRONYMS, BUT PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. THEN THE NATIONAL FORUM OF BLACK PUBLIC ADMINISTRATORS AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HISPANIC NETWORK HAVE ALL JOINED IN ON THAT PROCESS. SO THEN THROUGH THE EFFORTS OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, THE FELLOWSHIP IS ABLE TO BE A COMPETITIVE NATIONWIDE OPPORTUNITY. IT'S DIVIDED PRIMARILY INTO FIVE SUBREGIONS, WHICH ARE THE NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST, MIDWEST, THE MOUNTAIN PLAINS, WHICH TEXAS IS A PART OF. AND THEN THE WEST COAST. SO WITH THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IT IS, WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT INTO THE MECHANICS OF HOW IT WORKS. SO. THE INITIAL SCREENING PROCESS IS OVERSEEN BY ICMA ITSELF, AND IT'S OVERSEEN BY A BOARD OF ICMA MEMBERS WHO ARE MOSTLY FORMER FELLOWS. SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY FILTER FOR GRADUATES THAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE ON A LEADERSHIP TRACK. THEY ALSO FILTER FOR FINALISTS SELECTED BASED ON ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE, DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP, POTENTIAL COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE, COMMUNICATION SKILLS AND INITIATIVE. AND JUST TO EXPAND ON THAT IDEA OF MANAGEMENT TRACK A LITTLE BIT. THERE ARE MORE THAN 35 FORMER FELLOWS WHO HAVE EITHER TAKEN UP A CITY MANAGER POSITION OR AN ASSISTED CITY MANAGER POSITION NATIONWIDE, AND IN FACT, TWO FORMER FELLOWS ARE ACTUALLY ON THE ICMA NATIONAL EXECUTIVE BOARD. BUT JUST TO GO BACK TO THE MECHANICS OF IT A LITTLE BIT, THE FELLOWS WILL SERVE ON A 1 TO 2 YEAR ROTATING SCHEDULE UNDER DIRECT MENTORSHIP FROM A SENIOR GOVERNMENT LEADER. THOSE ARE MOST FREQUENTLY THE MANAGER OR ADMINISTRATOR. THE FELLOW WILL BE HEADQUARTERED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, BUT WILL ROTATE WITH DEPARTMENTS JUST FOR A BROAD GENERALIST EXPERIENCE, AND THIS CAN BE CUSTOMIZABLE DEPENDING ON THE INTERESTS OF THE FELLOW, BUT ALSO THE HOST CITY'S CAPACITY AND NEEDS. SO IT'S JUST DESIGNED TO GIVE THE FELLOW EXPERIENCE, WHILE PROVIDING PROFESSIONAL WORK TO THE HOST CITY AND NETWORKING WITH A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION. THEN, DURING THE FELLOWSHIP ITSELF, THE FELLOW IS EXPECTED TO WORK TOWARDS SIX CORE COMPETENCIES. THIS INCLUDES ETHICS, PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS, COMMUNICATION AND ENGAGEMENT, SERVICE MANAGEMENT, FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT MANAGEMENT. THE FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM ALSO HAS MONTHLY COHORT CALLS BAKED INTO THE STRUCTURE OF IT. SO THOSE CALLS HAVE A SPEAKER, AND IT ALSO ALLOWS FELLOWS TO SWAP NOTES AND BUILD BONDS. FELLOWS ARE OFTEN ALSO PAIRED UP WHEN POSSIBLE WITH NEARBY FORMER FELLOWS, WHICH IS HOW I GOT TO KNOW KIM WIENIAWSKI UP IN MELISSA, TEXAS. SO THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE IS THE RESULT OF WHAT WAS OVER INITIALLY, OVER 250 APPLICANTS NATIONWIDE NARROWED FURTHER TO A POOL OF 37 FINALISTS TO END WITH OVER 28. ABOUT 28 ACTUAL PLACEMENTS. IT DEMONSTRATES TO ME THAT FELLOWS ARE FROM EVERY CORNER OF THE COUNTRY, AND REALLY WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS TO BE WHERE THEY'RE AT. WE STARTED THE A CONFERENCE A FULL DAY EARLY AS THE ICMA ORGANIZATION DEDICATED A DAY JUST TO THE FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM WHERE WE COULD MEET WITH FORMER FELLOWS, SENIOR MEMBERS OF ICMA, AND 
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JUST NETWORK AND LEARN HOW TO CREATE THE BEST EXPERIENCE FOR THE HOST CITY AND FOR OURSELVES. 
          SO THIS IS A SUMMARY OF MY TIME WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. IT INCLUDES EVERYTHING, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THOSE SLIDES. SO MY FIRST ROTATION WAS WITH THE AIRPORT, THEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AND THEN THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. 
          AND IN BETWEEN THOSE ROTATIONS, I WORKED WITH SEVERAL OTHER DEPARTMENTS. SO WITH THE AIRPORT, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON SEVERAL PROJECTS WITH THEM, INCLUDING SCRIPT WRITING, GRANT RESEARCH, AND OTHER PROJECTS. I LIKED LEARNING OF THE IDEA OF FIXED BASED OPERATIONS, THE CONSTRUCTION NEEDS OF A NEW TERMINAL, AND ALSO THE RUNWAY EXTENSION AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING FOR FAA REGULATIONS AND COMPLIANCE AND JUST AVIATION CULTURE. CULTURE ITSELF WAS VERY UNIQUE AND NOT SOMETHING I HAD ENCOUNTERED BEFORE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT WAS WHAT I GOT THE MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT FROM OTHER FELLOWS. SO I ALSO THEN NEXT I WENT TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHERE I COMPLETED SEVERAL RESEARCH PROJECTS WITH THEM, INCLUDING INFILL ANALYSIS AND AN EDUCATIONAL LANDSCAPE REPORT. I ALSO APPRECIATED BEING ABLE TO ATTEND ON VISITS WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES JUST TO LEARN OF THEIR NEEDS, AND THEN THE ETIQUETTE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. AND I ALSO ATTENDED THE ECONOMIC OUTLOOK AT THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF DALLAS EARLIER THIS YEAR, REPRESENTING MDC. SO MY LATEST ROTATION WAS WITH THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO WITH THEM, I APPRECIATED BEING ABLE TO JUST ASSIST WITH DUTY OFFICER DRAFTING AND POLICY RESEARCH. I ALSO APPRECIATED THE EDUCATIONAL EVENTS THAT THEY DID, BOTH INTERNAL HERE WITH OUR CITY EMPLOYEES AND EXTERNAL WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I ALSO WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN THE IDEA OF OUTDOOR WARNING, SIREN SOFTWARE AND TESTING. TO COMPLEMENT THAT ROTATION. I COMPLETED CITIZENS FIRE ACADEMY THIS SPRING AS WELL. BUT I WOULD SAY THE CHERRY ON TOP WITH OEM WAS JUST ASSISTING WITH THE BYRON NELSON PREPARATION AND COMMAND POST SET UP. I JUST NEVER SEEN AN EVENT ON THAT SCALE BEFORE. SO THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THAT WAS REALLY IMPRESSIVE TO ME. BUT DURING MY TIME WITH THE CITY AS A WHOLE, I LED AN RFQ FOR CELL SERVICE IMPROVEMENT. I DID ANALYSIS AND RESEARCH ON THE SPECIAL SESSION CALLED LAST SUMMER AT THE STATE LEVEL. I ALSO CLERKED SPECIFIC CITY MEETINGS. I DID HISTORICAL TIMELINES FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS, AND I DID INCENTIVE RESEARCH WITH THE STATE. I WAS ALSO ON A TEAM WHERE WE DID ACHIEVE A GRANT. I ALSO SERVED IN THE CAPACITY OF A FINANCIAL ANALYST ON BUDGETARY ITEMS, WHICH INCLUDED EDITING, ANALYSIS AND REVIEW. INFORMALLY, I WAS VERY COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THE FIRST TIME I STEPPED FOOT IN TEXAS WAS ACTUALLY DRIVING DOWN HERE FROM NORTHERN ILLINOIS. SO IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR THE LOCAL CULTURE AND THE PEOPLE HERE. SO I DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME VOLUNTEERING. SO I VOLUNTEERED AT THE EAST MCKINNEY LEARNING GARDENS, THE COLLIN COUNTY HISTORY MUSEUM, AND THE COMMUNITY KITCHENS OF COLLIN COUNTY. I ALSO SERVED AS A DOCENT ON THE HISTORIC HOMES TOUR. JUST TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE SERVING. SO THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM SO FAR. SO THE CITY'S FIRST FELLOW WAS LAWRENCE TAYLOR OF THE 24 YEAR COHORT. HE HAILS FROM SAINT LOUIS, BUT HE NOW WORKS AS A MANAGEMENT ANALYST IN THE TOWN OF PROSPER. I AM THE OUTGOING FELLOW. I WILL BE MOVING BACK TO CHICAGOLAND TO BE WITH FAMILY, BUT USING ALL THE SKILLS I LEARNED HERE AT MY TIME IN MCKINNEY, I WILL CONTINUE TO SEEK EMPLOYMENT IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. FINALLY, THE INCOMING FELLOW IS MADISON BUSHONG. SHE WILL BE JOINING THE CITY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH. THIS. BUT SHE WILL BE JOINING THE CITY COMING JULY AND AFTER HAVING SPOKEN WITH HER OVER THE PHONE, I CAN TELL THAT SHE'S VERY EXCITED TO START HERE. SO OVERALL, I JUST WANTED TO RECAP THAT. I THINK THE FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM REALLY COMPLEMENTS THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S EFFORTS JUST TO BE A HIGH PERFORMING ORGANIZATION AND ONE THAT FOCUSES ON RISE VALUE. IT REALLY EMPHASIZES TRAITS SUCH AS ACTIVE LEARNING AND CROSS-DEPARTMENTAL COOPERATION AS WELL. AND THE FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM ITSELF IS ALSO JUST A REALLY UNIQUE WAY TO BUILD BONDS AND TIES WITH THE ICMA ORGANIZATION. SO FOR ME, IT WAS A LEAP OF FAITH TO MOVE SO FAR, BUT I WAS REALLY BLOWN AWAY BY THE SOUTHERN HOSPITALITY I WAS GREETED WITH, ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS ROTATING TO A NEW CITY DEPARTMENT. I WILL BE SURE TO SPREAD THE GOOD WORD OF MCKINNEY WHEN I MOVE BACK NORTH. WITH THAT IN MIND. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. EMILY. THANK YOU. WE CERTAINLY HAVE ENJOYED HAVING YOU AND YOUR SMILING FACE AND YOUR POSITIVE ATTITUDE, AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST. YOU HAVE BEEN, EMILY. YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT ASSET, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE 
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HOW MUCH YOU VOLUNTEERED. AND I'D SEE YOU EVERYWHERE IT SEEMED. I REMEMBER VONDA AND I SEEING YOU AT THE TOUR OF HOMES AND SEE, SEE EVERYWHERE. YOU REALLY DOVE IN AND GOT TO LEARN THE CITY AND WE'RE. WE'RE ALL THE BETTER FOR IT. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAYOR. IF I COULD, I JUST WANTED TO PRAISE EMILY PUBLICLY FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK SHE'S DONE. SHE'S BEEN A GREAT, FUN MEMBER OF OUR TEAM FOR THIS PAST YEAR. HOPEFULLY SHE GOT SOMETHING FROM US. MAYBE LEARNED A FEW THINGS. WHAT NOT TO DO. I'M LOOKING AT TREVA RIGHT NOW, BUT NO, HE LOOKS RIGHT BACK AT ME, OF COURSE. BUT EMILY, WHEN WE I CAN JUST A COUPLE ANECDOTAL STORIES IN TAMPA, THE ICMA CONFERENCE, EVERYBODY I RUN INTO SAYS, YEAH, WE MET SOMEBODY FROM MCKINNEY, THIS EMILY AND SHE WAS, SHE WAS DOING ALL THE ADVANCE WORK AND SHE LEFT A MARK. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNEW EMILY BECAUSE SHE WAS OUT MEETING EVERYONE, WHICH WAS FANTASTIC. SHE DID A GREAT JOB REPRESENTING MCKINNEY, BUT ALSO OBVIOUSLY THE PROFESSION AS A YOUNG ENTRANT INTO THE PROFESSION OF CITY MANAGEMENT. WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST. SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB. SHE'S GOING BACK TO THE CHICAGOLAND AREA, WHICH IS WHERE I CAME FROM TEN YEARS AGO, AND SHE'S GOING TO HAVE A GREAT CAREER AND WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU EMILY. THANK YOU. EMILY. NEXT ITEM IS 26-0496. 
          [26-0496 Consider/Discuss the Design Concept for the McKinney Downtown Parking Structure Project (Project No. FC2634)]
CONSIDER DOWNTOWN PARKING STRUCTURE PROJECT. WHO'S THIS, MR. GILLINGHAM? AND MR. MAYOR, JUST TO ADD, THIS IS KIND OF A CONTINUATION OF THE LAST WORK SESSION. WE HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, AND WE WANTED TO COME BACK. AND THE OBJECTIVE TODAY, IF THE COUNCIL WISHES, IS TO GET SOME DIRECTION ON WHERE WHICH WAY ARE WE GOING AND WHAT, WHATEVER THAT DIRECTION MAY BE. BUT I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE RYAN AND OUR CONSULTANT FOR DOING A BUNCH OF WORK PULLING THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER, AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST, BUT IT DOES NEED TWO SESSIONS TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS. VERY GOOD. SO REAL QUICK, WE NEED TO PUT UP OUR NEW PRESENTATION. SO THE ONE WE HAVE UP, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WAS FROM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SO JUST GIVE US A FEW MINUTES HERE WHILE WE GET THE CORRECT PRESENTATION UPLOADED. SO WHILE WE'RE WAITING, I GUESS I CAN GET STARTED REAL FAST. AND PAUL, THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION WE HAVE HERE TODAY, THE SAME TEAM BEHIND ME, TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE REGARDING THE DOWNTOWN PARKING STRUCTURE. SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT IS LOOKING AT TRYING TO NARROW THE DECISION SOMEWHAT. AND SO ON THIS FIRST SLIDE, WHAT WE'LL HAVE HERE IN A SECOND IS THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT KEY DECISION POINTS THAT WE NEED THE CITY COUNCIL'S INPUT ON. RIGHT. THEY THEY CONSIST OF WHERE TO PUT THE PARKING STRUCTURE, EVALUATING THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AROUND THE PARKING STRUCTURE, DETERMINING WHERE POTENTIAL RETAIL SHOULD GO. THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL AS WELL. 
          ESTABLISHING A FUNDING STRATEGY. HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THE PARKING STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT POINT AS WELL. AND THEN ESTABLISHING THE ARCHITECTURAL EXPECTATION AND DESIGN CHARACTER. SO THIS WAS ALL BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD RECEIVED FROM YOU ALL AT THE LAST MEETING, PLUS THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED AS WELL. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE MAYBE. 
          NO. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
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ALL RIGHT. I THINK. 
          THAT SHOULD BE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE DECISION POINTS AT COUNCIL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING. SO IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT DECISION POINTS, ANY ONE OF THESE DISCUSSIONS COULD TAKE QUITE A QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO DISCUSS AND TALK THROUGH. AND SO WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOR THE CONVERSATION TODAY IS REALLY TO FOCUS ON THIS FIRST ONE, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE PREFERRED SITE LOCATION FOR A PARKING STRUCTURE IN THE DOWNTOWN? SO BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, IF WE LOOK AT THE MAP OF THE DOWNTOWN HERE. SO FROM THIS INFORMATION, LAST TIME WE HEARD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM MR. QUINT IN TERMS OF DOWNTOWN PARKING, THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL IS THAT FROM PAST PARKING STUDIES, THE REAL CURRENT DEMAND FOR PARKING IS GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF THE IMPACT FACILITY. THE SECOND COMMENT THAT WE HEARD FROM MR. QUINT WAS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAST STUDIES IN THE CONSULTANTS FROM THE DIFFERENT PARKING STUDIES THAT WAS DONE, THE FUTURE DEMAND, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AREA IN COMPLETE BUILDOUT, THERE'S ROUGHLY 2500 SPACES THAT WILL BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. AND I THINK THE REAL POINT HERE IS THAT WHILE WE ARE CONSIDERING PARKING STRUCTURES GENERALLY IN THE BOX THAT'S IN RED, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE LAST TIME THAT THIS COUNCIL OR ANOTHER COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING PARKING IN THE FUTURE. SO THE AREA THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON HERE IS THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN THE ORANGE THERE. THE REASON THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SITE IS, IS SEVERAL REASONS. FIRST, AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, THE CITY COUNCIL, STARTING IN 2023, NEGOTIATED WITH A DEVELOPER TO CONSIDER PARKING AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE IN THAT AREA. THE SECOND REASON IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM MR. KOSKI IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS CURRENTLY CONSIDERING REDEVELOPMENT OF THE OLD CITY HALL SITE. AND SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM MR. KOSKI WAS THE ADJACENCY OF PARKING IN THAT AREA BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT. AND SO CITY COUNCIL ASKED US TO LOOK AT CONSTRUCT THE OPTIONS FOR CONSTRUCTING A PARKING STRUCTURE IN THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE IN ORANGE THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. IN ADDITION, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE DEMAND FOR POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL BOUTIQUE HOTEL AS WELL AS OFFICE SPACE, WE ESTIMATE THAT THE FUTURE PARKING DEMAND IN THAT AREA WOULD BE ABOUT 425 PARKING SPACES. SO WHAT I WANT TO GO OVER HERE IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME IS WE HAD THREE CONCEPTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US FROM FISHBECK CONSULTANTS, OUR PARKING CONSULTANT. THE FIRST CONCEPT THAT YOU SEE HERE GENERALLY LOOKS AT THE LOT THAT 
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IS WEST OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SITE. SO BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PARKING STRUCTURE IS ON THE FAR WESTERN END. AND ONE OF THE KEY CONCEPTS WITH THIS FIRST OPTION IS THAT IT ALIGNS THE NEW CENTRAL PARK, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITH THE OPEN SPACE, WITH THE LIBRARY, WHICH IS JUST TO THE NORTH THERE. CONCEPT NUMBER TWO IS KEEPING EXISTING CENTRAL PARK ON THE FAR WESTERN SIDE AND CONSTRUCTING THE PARKING STRUCTURE AS YOU SEE THERE, AND IT WOULD BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO WHATEVER FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT WOULD BE CONSIDERED BETWEEN KENTUCKY AND TENNESSEE STREET. AND THEN THE LAST OPTION THAT WAS CONSIDERED WAS CONCEPT NUMBER THREE. AND THIS PROPOSAL HAD BUILDING A PARKING STRUCTURE GENERALLY ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SITE BETWEEN WHAT'S THE EXISTING CITY HALL AND THE EXISTING CENTRAL PARK. AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HEARD FROM MR. KOSKI DURING THAT PRESENTATION WAS THE ADJACENCY OF THIS PARKING STRUCTURE TO THIS PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR HAVING THE TYPE OF OFFICE SPACE AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED FOR THAT SITE. THIS IS ANOTHER SLIDE THAT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME BY WAY OF BACKGROUND. SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE ARE THESE ARE 12 DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAT WERE DEVELOPED BY FISHBECK. BASED ON THOSE THREE SITES. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF THEM. DIFFERENT NUMBERS OF PARKING, THE NUANCES BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU SEE THERE HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER THE RETAIL IS INCLUDED WITH THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, OR WHETHER UNDERGROUND PARKING WAS ALSO CONSIDERED. YOU CAN SEE THE ESTIMATED COSTS. THERE. THE MOST EFFICIENT PARKING GARAGE DESIGN WAS THE ONE THAT YOU SEE THERE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, WHICH IS ONE OF THE CONCEPTS FOR THREE, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT OBVIOUSLY IS THE LARGEST SITE. SO IN LOOKING BACK AT THE PAST CONVERSATIONS, HERE ARE THE KEY POLICY QUESTIONS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THESE TO THESE, BUT GENERALLY THIS IS TO FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION AMONGST YOU ALL AND STAFF FOR THE PARKING STRUCTURE. FIRST ONE IS FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT CATALYST. WHICH LOCATION IS MOST LIKELY TO STIMULATE PRIVATE INVESTMENT? SECOND IS IN TERMS OF WALKABILITY AROUND THE SITE, HOW FAR OUR VISITORS ARE WILLING TO WALK TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. AND SO I HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE AFTER THIS THAT TALKS ABOUT SOME INDUSTRY STANDARDS THAT ARE RELATED TO PARKING TIMING. SHOULD PARKING BE CONSTRUCTED NOW OR PHASED WITH POTENTIAL FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE OTHER ON THE OTHER SLIDE, OPPORTUNITY COSTS, WHAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF EACH SITE OVER THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS? AND LASTLY, FINANCIAL RETURN. WHAT ARE THE LONG TERM TAX BASE IMPLICATIONS OF DEDICATING EACH SITE TO PARKING VERSUS REDEVELOPMENT? SO IN TERMS OF WALKING BEHAVIOR. 
          SO THIS IS BASED ON NATIONAL STANDARDS. SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS TO YOU ALL. 
          SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT GENERALLY PEDESTRIANS AND OUTDOORS UNCOVERED AREA WOULD EXPECT. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE. SO LEVEL OF SERVICE A IS ALL USERS ARE SATISFIED AND LEVEL OF SERVICE D IS GENERALLY TOO FAR TO WALK. AND SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE DOWN THERE, INDUSTRY STANDARDS ARE ABOUT 400FT OR TWO BLOCKS IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE. A EIGHT BLOCKS IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE D. SO WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHERE TO PLACE A PARKING GARAGE IN TERMS OF WALKABILITY, THESE ARE SOME NATIONAL STANDARDS THAT YOU CAN REFER BACK TO. NEXT IS WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO PROVIDE YOU AN EVALUATION OF OPTIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION. SO WE HAVE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES. AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH THESE. AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO TO ASK. 
          SO THE FIRST ADVANTAGES OF OPTIONS ONE AND TWO IS IT PRESERVES THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE FORMER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SITE. SO THAT WAS WHAT YOU SEE AS CONCEPT NUMBER THREE. IT PROVIDES FOR INTEGRATION OF FUTURE PARK SPACE WITH HALL LIBRARY AND SURROUNDING CIVIC USES. THAT'S THE ADJACENCY THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN THE PARKS. AND IT HAS THE LOWEST ESTIMATED COST. NOW IT MAKES SENSE THAT IT HAS THE LOWEST ESTIMATED COST, BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE IS SMALLER THAN THAN. OPTION THREE DISADVANTAGES GREATER WALKING DISTANCE BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT MAJKOWSKI TALKED ABOUT RELATIVE TO POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PLANNED ON THE CURRENT CITY HALL SITE. PROPERTY COULD HAVE GREATER FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT VALUE IF NOT UTILIZED AS A PARKING STRUCTURE, AND PROVIDES THE LOWEST PARKING CAPACITY OF THE EVALUATED ALTERNATIVES. AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS ON THE SMALLEST PORTION OF THE OF THE LOT SIZE. SO WHEN WE LOOK DOING THE SAME EXERCISE FOR OPTION THREE IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE LOCATION ADVANTAGES PROVIDES THE HIGHEST PARKING CAPACITY OF EVALUATED OPTIONS. 
          THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE ENTIRE BLOCK FOR PARKING THE LOWEST ESTIMATED COST PER PARKING SPACE. SO IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT AND IT PROVIDES THE MOST DIRECT SUPPORT TO FUTURE 
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OFFICE, HOTEL AND RETAIL. AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY HALL SITE. DISADVANTAGES PROPERTY COULD HAVE GREATER FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT VALUE IF NOT UTILIZED AS A PARKING STRUCTURE. SO WE HAD THIS SAME ONE LISTED FOR OPTIONS ONE AND TWO. AND LASTLY IT HAS THE HIGHEST OVERALL COST BECAUSE IT IS THE LARGEST STRUCTURE. SO FROM THERE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR TODAY FROM THE COUNCIL IS FEEDBACK BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED PARKING STRUCTURE. AND AGAIN, I HAVE A WHOLE TEAM OF INDIVIDUALS BEHIND ME THAT ARE READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE, QUESTIONS, ANYONE? RYAN, I DID HAVE A QUESTION. YOU STARTED YOUR PRESENTATION SAYING THAT THE HIGHEST DEMAND FOR PARKING IS SOUTH OF THE SQUARE. AM I AM I CORRECT? HIGHEST CURRENT DEMAND AS CURRENT DEMAND. AND HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE CURRENT WHERE WE RECEIVE FEEDBACK? WELL, TWOFOLD. ONE IS WHERE WE RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM. 
          BUSINESSES AND PATRONS IN THE AREA DESIRING TO THAT ARE LOOKING FOR PARKING. SECOND WAS IT WAS THROUGH THE PRIOR PARKING STUDIES THAT INDICATED THAT THOSE WERE THE AREAS OF HIGHEST DEMAND. AND WE'RE SPENDING OUR TIME LOOKING NORTH OF THERE, RIGHT. THE THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL WAS TO LOOK NORTH OF CITY HALL, GENERALLY RELATIVE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING ON BASED ON WHAT WAS CONSIDERED FUTURE DEMAND. PARDON ME? FUTURE DEMAND. YES. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. RYAN. I'VE GOT SOME THINGS. AND I WASN'T HERE TWO WEEKS AGO IN THE LAST PRESENTATION. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME BECAUSE SOME OF THIS MAY HAVE BEEN COVERED. BUT I DO THINK WHAT THE MAYOR IS ASKING IS IMPORTANT THAT ARE WE BUILDING THIS TO MEET CURRENT DEMAND? ARE WE BUILDING IT TO ALIGN WITH THE PROGRAMING THAT WE EXPECT? AND I THINK THE THE PURPOSE IS WE'RE ALIGNING WITH THE PROGRAMING. WE WANT TO SEE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE SITES. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. WE LIKE THE HOTEL CONCEPT. WE LIKE OFFICE DEMAND IN THIS AREA. AND WE'VE GOT TO MEET THAT DEMAND WITH OUR PARKING, OR ELSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO ATTRACT THOSE TWO USERS. THE. THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH THE CONCEPT THREE IN THIS IS WE SEEM TO BE PUTTING ALL OF THOSE EGGS INTO ONE BASKET. AND WHILE I GET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE WHERE TODAY, I THINK IT DOES MATTER ABOUT CIRCULATION AND ABOUT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, BECAUSE IN MY MIND, WHEN I LOOK AT THE CENTER SITE, THE PLAN, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT BUILDING, THAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST PIECE OF PROPERTY WE HAVE, IT'S ON THE WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE FUTURE PEDESTRIAN CORRIDORS IN TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY. IT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE AT THE SQUARE, LOOK FORWARD, DECIDE TO WALK UP AND SAY WHAT'S UP HERE? AND WHEN THEY SEE A BIG SIX STORY PARKING GARAGE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GO, THAT'S NOT FOR ME, AND TURN AROUND AND COME BACK. AND SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE AN INVITING USER. AND WHEN YOU MAKE THAT AN INVITING USER WITH LIKE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM, I THINK WE END UP MAYBE CUTTING. WE, WE LOSE A LOT OF THE COST SAVINGS AND A LOT OF THE SIZE BENEFITS FROM IT. WE END UP KIND OF CUTTING OUR NOSE OFF TO SPITE OUR FACE AND THAT IN THAT SOLUTION. SO TO ME, HIDING THESE THINGS IN THE QUADRANTS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I DO THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE, IN MY OPINION, WE WE EXPECT THE 2500 BUILD OUT. I WOULD THINK WE NEED TO BUILD FOUR PARKING GARAGES IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN FOR, A FUNDING PLAN FOR. AND IN MY MIND, THAT IS EACH QUADRANT WE'VE GOT NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST, SOUTHWEST, SOUTHEAST. I SEE THE PARKING EVERY DAY. THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT GETS HAMMERED BECAUSE EVERYBODY COMES IN AND THEY MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND THEY COME SOUTH. AND IF WE WERE BUILDING IN A VACUUM TODAY, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BUILD. AND THE SOUTHEAST ALSO GETS HAMMERED QUITE A BIT. AND THE NORTH IS ALL ABOUT ALIGNING, ALIGNING WITH THE PROGRAMING. AND I THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE THINK IS THE BEST SPOT AND WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT WHEN THESE USERS ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT SAY, I WANT ON TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY, I WANT A HOTEL THAT FACES BOTH SIDES WHERE MY, YOU KNOW, IF I'M IF I'M PROVIDING A RESTAURANT THAT THAT IT'S GOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A STREET SIDE OPENING AND THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, GET IN THE WAY OF THE HOTEL OPENING AND, AND THOSE THINGS MATTER TO THESE PEOPLE. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY THOSE OPTIONS FROM THEM AND BE LIKE, YOU GOT TO BE HERE BEHIND THE PARK OR. AND SO I THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. I WOULD PREFER THAT WE, IF, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE, THAT WE ALIGN IT WITH THE PROGRAMING THAT WE KNOW IS COMING AND WE MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THEIR DEMANDS OR THEIR NEEDS, IF WE ARE BUILDING FOR 
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WHAT EXISTS NOW, THEN I DO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK SOUTH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. I WANT US TO BUILD MORE PROGRAMING NORTH. I WANT US TO PUT A HOTEL UP HERE. I LIKED THE M2 G, YOU KNOW, LAYOUT OF A HOTEL IN THE MIDDLE OF COMMERCIAL USES EAST OF TENNESSEE. AND THAT MEANS THAT WE NEED A PARKING GARAGE WEST OF KENTUCKY IN THE IN THE THE PARKING LOT, THE CENTRAL PARK LOT, NOT NEARLY AS BIG AS WE'RE SHOWING HERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED THAT MUCH DEMAND. IT NEEDS TO SATISFY A HOTEL AND IT NEEDS TO REPLACE WHAT WE'RE LOSING AND SERVE WHAT'S SOUTH. SO THAT MAY BE A 3 TO 4 STORY PARKING GARAGE, NOT A FIVE STORY PARKING GARAGE. AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK OVER HERE AT THE CHESTNUT LOT, THE THE LOT TO THE NORTH, WHEREVER IT IS, TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER OFFICE PRODUCT NEEDS TO GO ON THE THE FORMER CITY HALL SITE. SO THEY LOOK TO THE NORTH, THEY LOOK TO THE NORTHEAST, THEY LOOK TO THE EAST FOR THEIR PARKING SOLUTIONS, WHICH ARE STILL IN PROXIMITY FOR THEM. I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD GO LOOK INTO THE CENTRAL PARK SITE FOR PARKING. I JUST DON'T THINK. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD BUILD FOUR PARKING GARAGES. SO I'M OF THE MINDSET THAT THAT TRYING TO SOLVE THIS WITH ONE SHOT, WE'RE GOING TO END UP HURTING OURSELVES WITH THE CIRCULATION AND THE PEDESTRIAN LEVELS, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST PUTTING TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON KENTUCKY AND VIRGINIA, KENTUCKY AND TENNESSEE IN A WAY THAT GOING TO MAKE THEM HARD TO BE WHAT WE WANT THEM TO BE IN THE FUTURE. WELL, THANK YOU. THAT'S THE EXACT TYPE OF FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM FROM STAFF IN TERMS OF PRESENTING YOU WITH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          SO SO WE APPRECIATE IT. A COUPLE OF THINGS IN TERMS OF JUST FEEDBACK AND HEARING, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, ONE OF THE IDEAS OF FOCUSING ON LOCATION WAS SO THAT WE CAN THEN COME BACK AND PROVIDE REFINEMENT ON SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, AS WELL AS IMPACTS TO PEDESTRIANS. SO GET MORE SPECIFIC ON THE DESIGN. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE ARE GETTING MORE FOCUSED WITH EACH STEP. ONE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE JUST TO JUST TO GET CLARIFICATION, YOU INDICATED THAT WEST OF KENTUCKY WAS THE DESIGN FROM THE DEVELOPER THAT THAT YOU THAT YOU LIKED. IS THAT STILL THE CASE IN THIS PARTICULAR ON THESE OPTIONS PRESENTED OR. I THINK CONCEPT ONE IS A GOOD CONCEPT. I THINK IT'S INCOMPLETE BECAUSE IT TRIES TO FIT ALL OF THE PARKING DEMAND FOR THE TWO OTHER LOTS INTO THAT FIVE STORY PARKING GARAGE. AND THAT WAS NOT THE EXPECTATION OF M2 G'S PLAN. AND SO I THINK CONCEPT ONE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL GARAGE IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT IS PROBABLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WITH THE, THE, THE CENTRAL PARK GARAGE BEING FOUR OR POTENTIALLY THREE STORIES WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU START TALKING TO MAN, YOU SAID 425 WAS IT? AND IS THAT JUST THE TWO USERS, THE, THE, THE HOTEL AND THE OFFICE OR IS THAT REPLACE WHAT WE'RE LOSING? NO, THE THE 425 WAS LOOKING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE, ASSUMING A BOUTIQUE HOTEL OF I THINK IT WAS 100 KEYS AND A FIVE STORY OFFICE BUILDING. THE PARKING DEMAND FOR THOSE TWO FACILITIES WOULD BE ABOUT 425 SPACES, AND WE'RE LOSING ABOUT 80 SPACES IN THAT CENTRAL PARK PROPERTY ANYWAY. 
          SO LET'S CALL IT 500 SPACES WE NEED TO REPLACE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT IN ONE GARAGE. I THINK THAT MAKES FOR A REALLY WEIRD THING TO PUT. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN TWO GARAGES AND, AND TO ME, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GETTING THE OPINION OF THE PROGRAMING INTO THESE CONVERSATIONS, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I LIKE CONCEPT ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A HOTEL USER IN, IN, IN HAND THAT SAYS THIS IS IDEAL FOR US. HERE'S THE PARKING GARAGE THAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'RE DEDICATING THESE THINGS TO, TO THIS. I MEAN, THESE AREN'T GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT VALET SPOTS. THEY'RE GOING TO WANT DEDICATED SPOTS. THEY'RE GOING TO WANT, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT THEY EXPECT TO HAVE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T FILL THEM UP WITH ALL THE OFFICE EMPLOYEES FROM, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE OR ALL THE RETAIL EMPLOYEES FROM THE SQUARE. AND THEN THE HOTEL DOESN'T HAVE ANY PARKING. SO LIKE HAVING THEIR OPINION IN THIS, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. BUT IN MY MIND, CONCEPT ONE WITH A SCALED DOWN GARAGE ON THE THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS, AND ANOTHER ONE THAT MEETS THE PROGRAMING NEEDS OF AN OFFICE BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE WHAT COUNCILMAN BELLER SAID. I'VE GOT MAYBE A FEW WRINKLES IN THERE THAT I CAN'T GET PAST. I'VE ALWAYS VIEWED THE HOTEL'S ASPIRATIONAL. YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT I'VE LEARNED IS WITH SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE DONE WITH THE J.W. MARRIOTT IS, MAN, 
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YOU GOT TO. IT'S A TOUGH CAPITAL STACK FOR THESE HOTELS. THE BANKS DON'T WANT THEM. 
          THEY'VE GOT TO STACK THIS CAPITAL. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT SOME MONEY FROM US. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT TO GIVE. I JUST HAVE A MILLION QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T HAVE A MILLION QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OFFICE BUILDING. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. THE OFFICE BUILDING OUGHT TO GO ON THE OLD CITY HALL SITE. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. THE QUESTION I'VE GOT IS, IS THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO GET CLASS A TENANTS TO PAY CLASS A RENTS IN THAT BUILDING, WHAT WILL THEY SWALLOW AS FAR AS PARKING GOES TO COUNCILMAN BELLER'S POINT, I DON'T THINK THE YOU KNOW, THE HUNT KENTUCKY WOOD STREET PARKING STRUCTURE IS GOING TO SOOTHE THEIR FEATHERS. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IT DOES MAKE SENSE THAT OPTION THREE WOULD WORK FOR THAT. BUT I GET WHAT HE'S SAYING AND GET WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING ABOUT HOW THAT'S SPECIAL TO BUILD ON. I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          THAT'S A WHOLE I HAVE MAYBE IN THE WHOLE MEMORY OF THE M2 THING. I REMEMBER THEM KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THAT PARKING GARAGE AT HUNT STREET AND THAT SATISFYING THE OFFICE USER OR NOT, BUT MAYBE WE NEVER DANCED ENOUGH LONG ENOUGH WITH THEM ON THAT. BUT WHERE WOULD THE OFFICE PEOPLE PARK? I HEAR WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT A GARAGE ON THE NORTH END OF HUNT. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE EAST OF TENNESSEE, BUT. I'M RAMBLING HERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S DOABLE. I DON'T. SO TO ME, I GUESS I GUESS WHAT I'M IF I BOIL DOWN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS DO OTHERS ON COUNCIL WHO HAVE A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF HOTEL FINANCING AND WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THAT AGREE WITH ME THAT THE OFFICE IS THE IS MORE OR LESS THE BIRD IN THE HAND, AND THAT WE OUGHT TO MAKE SURE WE ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND THEN LOOK AT THE HOTEL AS IT COMES, BECAUSE I CAN LIVE WITH A LOT OF OPTIONS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE OFFICE IN. BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCIL THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE GARAGES. AND I SEE THE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SQUARE BEING UP TO BAT AFTER WE GET THIS DONE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I TEND TO LEAN TOWARD OPTION THREE. I GET WHAT COUNCILMAN BELLER IS SAYING. 
          WHEN YOU PUT THE PARKING STRUCTURE OUT THERE, I DON'T AGREE THAT THE VALUE ON EACH SIDE IS GOING TO BE LESS THAN OR MORE THAN, THAN THE PARKING STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE. YOU'RE GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF ACTIVITY WITH THE OFFICE AND WITH THE HOTEL AND PEOPLE THAT COME THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO WALK DOWN KENTUCKY. THEY'RE GOING TO WALK DOWN TENNESSEE. THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS YOU WANT YOUR PARKING STRUCTURE TO BE CENTRALLY LOCATED, AND YOU WANT IT TO BE AS CLOSE TO THE SQUARE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN GET IT THAT THAT CONCEPT RIGHT THERE DOES THAT. AND THE QUESTION IS, IF THE OFFICE IS THE FIRST ONE YOU PUT IN, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SUCCESSFUL. AND THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A PARKING STRUCTURE ADJACENT TO THE OFFICE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE CLASS A, I'M OKAY IF WE GET A PARKING STRUCTURE ON NORTH JOHNSON STREET, WHICH WE TALK ABOUT NEXT TO THAT OFFICE BUILDING. AS LONG AS THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD TWO PARKING STRUCTURES. BUT THAT'S I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF THREE BECAUSE OF THOSE FACTORS. 
          YEAH. QUESTION. POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO OPTION THREE IS 613 PARKING SPACES AT THE PER PARKING SPACE. LOWEST COST. CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE CAN LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE FOUR DIFFERENT CONCEPTS UNDER CONCEPT NUMBER THREE. FOR THAT LOCATION THEY CONSISTED OF LOOKING AT UNDERGROUND PARKING AS WELL AS ON WHICH SIDE RETAIL WAS IT ONE SIDE OR BOTH SIDES. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENCE OF COST AS WELL AS AS YOU CAN SEE, THE NUMBER OF SPACES. SO THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF SPACES IS OPTION NUMBER THREE, WHICH HAS 613 SPACES. AND IF THE PRIORITY IS TO THE NORTH AND ADDRESSING SOUTH LATER, ASSUMING THAT PRIORITY STAYS IN PLACE. I GUESS WHERE I COME DOWN ON THIS IS NOT KNOWING THE EXACT NUANCES OF THE SIZE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING, THE SIZE OF THE HOTEL, THE SPECIFIC NEEDS. ALL THE OTHER COUNCILMEN HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF DESCRIBING 
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WHAT THAT NEED WOULD BE. I GUESS I COME DOWN ON A SIMPLE FORMULA, BUILD THE MAXIMUM PARKING SPACES SO THAT YOU HAVE THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY. YOU HAVE IT ONLINE AND YOU HAVE IT IN ADVANTAGEOUS TIME. AND THEN YOU CAN ADDRESS THE NEEDS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT OPTIMUM NUMBER, THAT MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SPACES. I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I KEEP COMING DOWN ON. YOU SAID 2500 IS THE OVERALL DEMAND. LET'S CHIP AWAY AT THE 2500 AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S KIND OF MY OPINION. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M LEANING ON OPTION THREE. IF WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OUR FOCUS NORTH VERSUS CHANGING THE PRIORITY SOUTH. THANK YOU. RYAN, COULD YOU CLARIFY OR MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MED, C, AND THEN ALSO CITY FUNDS. SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING AND THE PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH? I THINK IT'S EASY TO SAY THE CITY IS BUILDING PARKING LOT. SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN THE CITY AND M E, D, C AND THE BUCKET OF MONEY THAT THAT WOULD COME FROM? I WEIGH IN THERE ARE DIFFERENCES, OF COURSE, THAT THE. IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE'RE DRIVING THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE NORTH. THIS IS WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY IS RIGHT NOW. THE OPPORTUNITY IS PRESENTED BY THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REPURPOSE OR REDEVELOP OLD USES THE OLD CITY HALL AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING, AND THAT LOT ADJACENT TO CENTRAL PARK. SO THAT PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY. THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE SOUTH ARISES. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MUNICIPAL COURTS. SOMEDAY WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET A NEW MUNICIPAL COURT, MAYBE MOVE THEM OUT OF THAT FACILITY. THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE, BUT IT'S JUST NOT HERE YET. AND WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU IS A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS FUNDING. THERE MAY BE SOME FUNDING DIFFERENCES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE M, E, D, C AND A DEVELOPER CAN COME IN AND WORK ON AN OFFICE THAT THERE'S AND THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY WILL PRESENT ITSELF ON A SOUTHERN PIECE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS YET. BUT PART OF IT'S DRIVEN BY THE ACTUAL PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE THE EDC WILL BE WORKING OR IS WORKING RIGHT NOW ACTIVELY ON TRYING TO GET SOME USERS FOR A COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING, AND THEY'RE KIND OF WAITING TO SEE WHAT WE DO HERE, BECAUSE THAT HELPS GIVE THEM A NARRATIVE WHEN THEY GO OUT TO THE MARKETPLACE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAS TO LEG BONE CONNECTS TO THE KNEE, BONE CONNECTS TO THE THIGH BONE, WHATEVER. SO WE HAVE TO GET THEM ALL IN PLACE. 
          I THINK THE DECISION HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY MORE DIFFICULT NOT KNOWING WHAT IS COMING NEXT. 
          AND THIS IS WHY I IN MY OPINION, WE ACTUALLY SHOULD TABLE THIS UNTIL WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION. 
          WHAT WHAT IS COMING? HOW HOW MANY STORIES IS THE CLASS A GOING TO BE? WHERE DO THEY WANT TO BE ORIENTED? HOW IS THE HOTEL GOING TO BE ORIENTED? AND THAT WILL HELP US MAKE A BETTER DECISION ABOUT WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE SHOULD GO. I'M JUST I YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP DELAYING THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A NEED FOR PARKING, AND WE WANT TO SEE THAT COME ON BOARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. BUT I'D RATHER WAIT HOWEVER LONG, SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER, UNTIL WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S COMING. SO WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION THE FIRST TIME, AS OPPOSED TO REGRETTING WHAT WE'RE PUTTING DOWN ON THE GROUND. YEAH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I HATE TO DELAY IT. TIME IS MONEY. OPPORTUNITY COST. I MEAN, IT'S WE CAN STUDY IT AND ANALYZE IT. LOOK AT THE TEA LEAVES TILL THE PERFECT ALIGNMENT. AND SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WE MAY NOT STILL BE MORE AWARE OF WHAT MIGHT EMERGE ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          I JUST TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND THE PARKING IS IS AN ISSUE. SO I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN, THE PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE IS NOT AN ISSUE THOUGH. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE DEMAND FOR PARKING RIGHT HERE. THE ONLY DEMAND IS THE USERS. YEAH. SO I GUESS TO ME LIKE SAYING WE'VE GOT TO SOLVE A PROBLEM HERE. WE'RE CREATING THE PROBLEM AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN CREATED IT YET. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PROBLEM IT'S CREATING. YEAH, YEAH. I KIND OF AGREE WITH YOU, JUSTIN, IN THE SENSE THAT. YEAH, WHEN I, WHEN I GO DOWNTOWN, I EVEN AT THE OLD CITY HALL SITES RIGHT NOW, THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS PARKING AVAILABLE. THE ISSUE IS TO ME, IT REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO DOLLAR AND CENTS. IT'S LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE DEMOLISHING THESE BUILDINGS AND IT IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO SOMETHING WHILE WHEN EVERYTHING GETS CLEARED OUT VERSUS WAITING BECAUSE COST IS JUST GOING TO GO UP. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M, I'M STRUGGLING IS LIKE, IF WE WAIT, IT'S GOING TO BE THE NUMBERS HE PRESENTED IS GOING TO BE MAYBE 10 TO 15% HIGHER THAN, THAN TODAY'S NUMBERS. SO YEAH, I MEAN, BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE DEMAND UP NORTH IS NOT I MEAN, REALLY, IT'S YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, DOWN CADILLAC PIZZA AREA. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE JUST HAD THE, YOU KNOW, THE 
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HOMEGROWN MUSIC FESTIVAL DOWN THERE. AND I, WHEN I WAS DOWN THERE THAT WEEKEND, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A MESS. PARKING IS A MESS DOWN THERE. BUT YOU COULD PARK UP WHERE WE WERE WE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW? I COULD PARK UP HERE AND WALK DOWN THERE AND NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PARKING. 
          BUT WHEN I GOT DOWN THERE AROUND THE CADILLAC PIZZA AREA, I MEAN, IT WAS JUST LIKE PEOPLE CIRCLING AND THERE WAS NOTHING AVAILABLE. SO I KNOW THE DEMAND IS DOWN SOUTH, THE SOUTHERN PART, BUT I'M THINKING OF THE COST. AND MAN, IT WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER IF WE DID IT NOW THAN DID IT LATER. THAT'S ALL I. RYAN IS THE PROPOSAL TO DEMO AND IMMEDIATELY MOVE TO CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTING OPTION ONE, 2 OR 3. WELL, THAT IS ULTIMATELY A CITY COUNCIL DECISION. WE'RE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT TO DEMO THE TWO BUILDINGS. IN FACT, I THINK THAT STARTS NEXT WEEK. YEAH, WEEK AFTER THAT. SO THAT THAT WORK IS HAPPENING. THE SCHEDULE FOR THE PARKING STRUCTURES IS SOMETHING THAT IS IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON IF THE COUNCIL SAID THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD, THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO COME BACK. IF YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST QUESTIONS I HAD ON THE LIST, TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR THAT, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD INTO SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND THEN EVENTUALLY CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT PARTICULAR SCHEDULE. AND IN MY OPINION, WE WE TABLE THIS. WE GO HARD SEARCHING FOR A HOTEL USER THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST NINE MONTHS. WE HAD ONE IN HAND WITH M2 G. WE'RE BRINGING ON AN EVENT VENUE THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN A NEW HOTEL BREAK GROUND FOR. 
          WE'VE GOT AN AIRPORT COMING ONLINE THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A NEW HOTEL BREAK GROUND FOR. 
          THERE'S DEMAND FOR A HOTEL AND WE NEED TO GO. WE NEED TO GO BRING IT IN HAND. AND THAT WAY THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME IDEA OF ULTIMATELY WHAT WE NEED FOR PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT DEMAND. AND I KNOW MEDC IS WORKING ON THE OFFICE SIDE AS WELL. BUT UNTIL THOSE PROGRAMS ARE IN PLACE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE NEED IT. AND I THINK WE'RE JUST WE'RE GOING FOR A PRICE POINT HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES SENSE FROM A TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, OR WHO NEEDS TO FUND IT. ANYONE ELSE? I WOULD SAY THAT RESONATES WITH ME MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT WE THAT WE COULD SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME GETTING A HANDLE ON THE HOTEL. I'M NOT IN A HUGE HURRY TO BUILD THIS. I'M NOT A HUGE TRAY TO BUILD ANYTHING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT DONE RIGHT. BUT I ALSO DO WANT TO HEAR MAYBE IT'S ONLY ME FROM FROM MR. KOSKI OR SOMEBODY ELSE TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT. HERE'S THE COMMITMENTS WE FEEL WE CAN QUICKLY GET FOR OFFICE, AND HERE'S WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THEM FOR PARKING, WHETHER IT'S IN THE SHORT TERM OR THE LONG TERM. IN OTHER WORDS, IS SHORT TERM. ARE THEY OKAY TO USE THE SURFACE LOTS NORTH OF HUNT STREET WHILE WE'RE LITIGATING A HOTEL? BUT IT DOES STRIKE ME AS A AND THIS IS A THE BIAS THAT I'VE GOT BAKED IN AND I'LL JUST OWN IT. AND ANYONE ELSE CAN ARGUE WITH IT IS, IS THE BIAS THAT I'VE GOT IS, IS THIS A DOWNTOWN OFFICE USER? FOR THE LAST 28 YEARS, I SEE A NEED TO INCREASE THE ECONOMICALLY AFFLUENT FOOT TRAFFIC OF DOWNTOWN. WHICH OFFICE INJECTING OFFICE IN HERE IS THE THING TO ME THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO GIVE OUR RESTAURANTS AND OUR BUSINESSES DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, MORE ECONOMIC BENEFIT. AND SO THAT'S MY FIRST GOAL. I, AGAIN, LOOK AT THE HOTELS MORE ASPIRATIONAL BECAUSE WE COULD LOOK AT A REALLY COOL IDEA, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT THE MOON FROM US AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MOON TO GIVE THEM. SO I'M FINE WITH GETTING A BRIEFING FROM MR. KOSKI, LOOKING AT THESE HOTEL THINGS IN THE MEANTIME, AND IF IT'S A FEW MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN ACTIVATE SOMETHING, THEN OKAY, BUT THAT'S ME. COUNCILMAN, MR. KOSKI IS IN THE ROOM. IS YOUR REQUEST TO NOW OR AT A FUTURE MEETING? I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT HIM ON THE SPOT RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S PREPARED TO REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IF HE IS, THAT'S PHENOMENAL. IF NOT, THEN I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT JULY 6TH OR 16TH OR WHATEVER IT IS. GIVE HIM A BREAK HERE. WE HAVE BEEN GOING VERY AGGRESSIVE AFTER MICHAEL KOSKI, PRESIDENT OF THE EDC, VERY AGGRESSIVE ON ON THE OFFICE SIDE, WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT GROUPS RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT IT, THREE WITH VERY STRONG INTEREST. NOW THOSE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE BUILDING ITSELF, 100,000FT■!S, FIVE STORIES, SOME RETAIL RESTAURANT TUCKED INTO IT AS WELL. WE HAVE KIND OF PAUSED THOSE DISCUSSIONS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE PARKING IS A CRITICAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE FOR THEM, AND WE HAVE SIGNALED TO THEM TO DATE THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO PROVIDE PARKING, STRUCTURED SURFACE WATER. THAT 
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MAY BE BECAUSE THE BUILDING AND THE ACCESSORY PEDESTRIAN AREAS AROUND IT WILL OCCUPY THE ENTIRE LOT. THE FUTURE COMMERCIAL AND CITY HALL PROPERTY. SO I SAID LAST TIME THAT NUMBER THREE WAS MOST INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE IT KIND OF SERVED AS A HUB AND KIND OF TOUCHED THE LIBRARY, TOUCHED EVERYTHING ELSE. WE HAVE NOT BEEN FULL FORCE LOOKING AT HOTEL GROUPS. WE'VE LATELY TAKEN SOME PHONE CALLS AND THERE'S INTEREST THERE AS WELL. SO TO MR. BELLER'S POINT, WE COULD GO FURTHER IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT WE'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH OFFICE. WE HAVE PEOPLE LINED UP TO GO, BUT WE'RE WAITING ON THE PARKING SITUATION SO WE CAN CORRECTLY HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LIFT WOULD BE ON THEIR SIDE TO, TO BUILD IT. MAYBE. WORKSHOP THIS WITH A MIKE TO SAY, LOOK, HERE'S THE IDEA. NUMBER THREE, HERE'S THE IDEA NUMBER TWO, AND HERE'S THE IDEA OF WE'VE GOT TO LITIGATE A HOTEL. WHAT IF FOR THE FIRST YEAR OR 2 OR 3, YOU WERE UP THERE PARKING ON SURFACE LOTS NORTH OF HUNT STREET. IT JUST SEE WHAT THEY SAY. OR DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THEY WOULD SAY? RIGHT NOW? THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT PRONGS. THIS CONVERSATION. ONE IS SOMEBODY TO BUILD THE ACTUAL BUILDING, THE OFFICE BUILDING. THEN THERE'S ACTUAL BROKERS WHO LEASE IT UP. THOSE ARE VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS AND THE TENANTS AND THEIR DESIRES AS WELL, BECAUSE QUITE OFTEN WE'RE ASKING SOME OF THESE CLASS A TENANTS TO MOVE FROM A CURRENT LOCATION SOMEWHERE THAT HAS MAYBE THAT NEARBY PARKING THAT WOULD BE A DEAL MAKER FOR US TO HAVE THE PARKING NEXT TO IT. SO IT'S A CRITICAL SO IT'S A MULTI-PRONG LOOK AT IT. I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT AND PUT A FINER POINT ON IT. AND I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS IT A DEAL BREAKER FOR CLASS A OFFICE USERS? AND MAYBE I'M LUMPING THEM ALL TOGETHER AND SHOULDN'T. AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT FAIR, BUT I'M DOING IT ANYWAY. YOU KNOW, TO SAY, GUYS, HERE'S WHERE THEY COULD HAVE THIS, THIS STRUCTURE NUMBER THREE, CONCEPT NUMBER THREE RIGHT THERE. BUT WOULD IT BE A DEAL BREAKER FOR YOU TO COME HERE IF WE WERE PARKING THE SURFACE LOTS UP THERE? I JUST DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF IT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOWN HERE 28 YEARS HUNTING AND PECKING FOR PARKING SPACES, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M USED TO IT, BUT I WANT TO GET THE I WANT TO ACTIVATE DOWNTOWN WITH DAYTIME OFFICE USERS. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE WIND UP DOING, THEY COME OR MAYBE TAKE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. AND IF THE COUNCIL WE ALL ARE IN AGREEANCE, WE GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY AND SAY, LOOK, YOU FIND THE BEST. YOU KNOW, EDC FINDS THE BEST PROJECT THEY SEE THAT'S THE MOST FEASIBLE. AND YOU SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE WILL WE WILL BUILD PARKING ON THERE AND YOU TELL US WHAT YOU NEED AND HOW IT LOOKS, AND THEN LET THEM MASTER PLAN IT AND THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT. THIS IS THE PERSON THAT WILL BUILD THE OFFICE AND THIS IS THE GARAGE THEY NEED. WE NEED YOU GUYS TO APPROVE THIS AND LET US LOOK AT IT AND GO FROM THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT AT LEAST WE SEE WHAT THEY WANT AND SEE WHAT THEY NEED FOR THAT, FOR THAT SPOT, AND LET US GO FROM THERE. I'M GREAT WITH THAT, MICHAEL. I GUESS THOUGH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THE LOT IS ON CONCEPT NUMBER THREE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY ALSO HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE A HOTEL THAT THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH. SO WE'D HAVE TO AT LEAST SAY WE NEED X NUMBER OF SPACES FOR A HOTEL. YEAH. WELL, YOU COULD HAVE TWO. YOU COULD HAVE THE HOTEL AND THE OFFICE BUILDING USE THE SAME GARAGE. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WHY IF THE IF THE MASTER PLAN AND THIS IS YOUR WORLD, NOT MINE. BUT THE MASTER PLAN IS TALKING ABOUT AN OFFICE BUILDING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THERE'S A HOTEL IN THE CONVERSATION THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH, BUT THERE'S SPACES THAT NEED TO BE IN THERE FOR THAT VERSUS AN EXCLUSIVE USE OF IT. YES, SIR. RIGHT, RIGHT. I AGREE, YES AND YES. TO GIVE YOU THE MOST FLEXIBILITY. IT'S THE SMARTEST THING WE CAN DO. SO YOU CAN GO OUT AND SELL THE SITES TO OFFICE USERS, PERHAPS A HOTEL, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. IS IT ONE, TWO, THREE, A COMBINATION OR SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAT MOVES PARKING OVER TO THE WYSONG LOT. 
          YEAH. BUT WHAT I HEAR FROM YOU, MR. MAYOR, IS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT EDC DEVELOPING A LOT OR TWO. IT'S REALLY MASTER PLANNING, THIS WHOLE THIS WHOLE PIECE, INCLUDING THE AREA NORTH OF HUNT STREET. WE HAVE NOT BEEN LOOKING WITH THAT PERSPECTIVE TO DATE. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ACTIVATE THE OLD CITY HALL PROPERTY. PER THE DIRECTION. I CAN WORK WITH MANAGER PAUL GRIMES TO TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER. BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT EXERCISE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TO HELP WITH THAT. RESTRUCTURE. MIKE, I'LL ANSWER YOU. I DON'T I DON'T CARE IF YOU DO IT OR WE DO IT, BUT WE'VE WAITED NINE MONTHS AND NOBODY'S REACHED OUT TO ANY, ANY HOTEL GROUPS. AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN A MISSTEP ON OUR PART. SO WE, WE HAD ONE WITH HIM TO G. WE ALL AGREED THAT WE WANTED THAT AS A USER. AND NOW WE'VE WE'VE SAT AROUND AND NOT DONE ANYTHING WITH IT FOR NINE MONTHS. SO IF I MAY SAY WE HAVEN'T REACHED OUT, PROBABLY 
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ISN'T THE CORRECT STATEMENT. WE HAVE. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY GROUPS ON IT. IT'S JUST BEEN PAUSED BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT PIECE GOES ON. I'M IN A HOTEL USER HOTEL. CORRECT. I WILL TELL YOU. YEAH, YEAH. WE HAVE GROUPS INCLUDING THE PREVIOUS HOTEL GROUP. SO THERE ARE GROUPS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CHICKEN AND THE EGG, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE. LET'S GET THE PARKING IN OFFICE AS WAS MY CHARGE. BUT WE DO HAVE PEOPLE IN THE HOPPER READY TO GO. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I'M SORRY TO CALL YOU OUT TODAY, MIKE, ON THIS. I JUST AM KIND OF LOST THIS DISCUSSION WITH THIS BEING NEBULOUS. AND I'M LOOKING TO EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THIS IS A ONCE IN A HUNDRED YEAR OPPORTUNITY. AND MAN, IT'S IT'S A PRESSURE POINT FOR ME. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IT WRONG. AND BUT MY NORTH STAR IS THE OFFICE USER. AND THEN IF WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE HOTEL THING THERE TOO, GREAT. BUT TO ME, IT'S WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE OFFICE USERS. WE CAN FILL THAT THING UP. HAPPY, HAPPY TO HELP OUT. I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO RYAN. HE'S UP HERE DEFENDING A PROJECT. HE WANTS TO BUILD IT. YOU HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING. SO. WELL, I JUST WANTED TO ADD AS WELL, THIS IS A MATTER OF TIMING, RIGHT. AND AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE TIMING MAY NOT QUITE BE THERE. OR THE COMFORT LEVEL FOR THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL IS NOT QUITE THERE ON THE TIMING OF IT. I THINK I'VE, OF COURSE, ALL THE CONFIDENCE IN THE WORLD THAT MR. KOSKI AND HIS TEAM ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND AN OFFICE USER, AND MAYBE THAT HE COMES BACK WITH AN OFFICE USER IN TOW AND TUCKED UNDER HIS ARM, AND THEY SAY AND THEY CONFIRM FOR YOU THAT, BOY, WE NEED A PARKING GARAGE AND ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS, EITHER A PARKING GARAGE TO THE NORTH OR IT'S GOT TO BE ADJACENT. THEN MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS NEED AS A COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE QUICKLY IF THAT WHEN THAT COMES UP. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT. 
          SO WE DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME SPINNING OUR WHEELS, GETTING WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE ON, ON A SUBJECT THAT THE COUNCIL IS NOT QUITE READY FOR. I'LL MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR OFFICE DOWN THERE. AND TYPICALLY WITH CLASS A OFFICE, YOU'VE GOT PARKING STRUCTURES INVOLVED. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THAT'S TRADITIONAL. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO BARRING WHATEVER THEY SAY, PUTTING A PARKING STRUCTURE IN THIS LOCATION, NUMBER ONE, IT HELPS WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREA. IT HELPS WITH THE WITH THE SQUARE. IT MAKES IT CLOSE ENOUGH TO WHERE PEOPLE PARK THERE AND WALK. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A CLASS A OFFICE SPACE AND YOU WANT TO DO IT RIGHT, AND YOU WANT TO MAKE IT AS SUCCESSFUL AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, THEN YOU GOT TO FIGURE YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE, EVEN. YEAH, THAT'S MY COMMENT. PAUL. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. IT IF WE HAD A DEAL IN FRONT OF US THAT THAT WE CAN VOTE UP OR DOWN, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHERE DO YOU WANT THIS PARKING GARAGE ON ONE OF THESE THREE SITES? I THINK I THINK IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT. AND TO COUNCILMAN CLAUDIA'S POINT, WE GOT ONE SHOT AT THIS. AND TO MISS IT IS A HUGE IS A HUGE MISS. WE'VE BEEN NINE MONTHS TO JUSTIN'S POINT AND WE'RE STILL TALKING WITH PROSPECTS VERSUS SIGNING DEALS. THAT'S NO CRITICISM ON ON EDC OR RYAN OR CITY MANAGER AT ALL. IT IS WHERE IT IS. IT'S A TOUGH MARKET OUT THERE, AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO PIVOT AND MOVE QUICKLY. WHEN YOU WALK IN AND SAY, THIS IS IT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A BETTER OPPORTUNITY THAN THAN BETTING, GAMBLING, THINKING, HOPING WE MIGHT HAVE IT RIGHT, COULD HAVE IT RIGHT OR WE MIGHT MISS IT IF WE MISS IT. IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE. IT'S A $33.30 $3 MILLION MISTAKE. DO WE NEED PARKING? YES. DO WE NEED IT IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS? YES. DO WE NEED ONE TO THE SOUTH? TO THE SOUTH? DEFINITELY. BUT TO CITY MANAGER'S POINT. WE DON'T HAVE A SITE EXACTLY BECAUSE OF MUNICIPAL COURT. IF THAT. IF WE HAD A HOME FOR THAT, WE COULD WE COULD DO SOMETHING ON THE SOUTH END. I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING FLEXIBLE, SENDING RYAN BACK AND CITY MANAGER BACK TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT SOMETHING TO THE NORTH. YOU AND YOUR TEAM COULD GO BACK AND DO WHAT YOU DO BEST, WHICH IS GO BRING OPPORTUNITIES TO MCKINNEY. AND THEN LET'S LET'S REVISIT WHEN THINGS ARE A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE. ANYONE ELSE? I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THANK YOU. RYAN. I 
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KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK. I WISH WE HAD AN ANSWER FOR YOU TODAY, BUT I THINK THAT'S A BETTER MOVE. WELL, SO YOU DID GET AN ANSWER. THE ANSWER WAS DO MORE WORK AND HOLD. NOW, THIS IS THIS IS VERY HELPFUL. THIS WAS THE FEEDBACK AND THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HOPING FOR. 
          SO I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. AND WE'LL WE'LL HAVE OUR DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS 26-0491. 
          [26-0491 Consider/Discuss Options for the Regulation of ‘Vape or Smoke Shops’ in the City of McKinney]
CONSIDER OPTIONS FOR REGULATION OF VAPE OR SMOKE SHOPS IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CAMERON CHRISTIE, LONG RANGE PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL STAFF HAS PREPARED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION ABOUT OPTIONS FOR REGULATING SMOKE OR VAPE SHOPS. THANK YOU. APOLOGIES. THERE WE GO. SO CURRENTLY, VAPE SHOPS ARE CONSIDERED A SUBSET OF OUR STANDARD RETAIL SALES LAND USE, WHICH ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONES. WE'RE FIRST GOING TO GO OVER THE APPROACHES THAT OUR SISTER CITIES TAKE TO REGULATING THE SHOPS, AND THEN WE'LL BE PRESENTING A SORT OF MENU OF REGULATORY OPTIONS. SO MOST COMPARABLE CITIES HAVE RELATIVELY NEW REGULATIONS, IF ANY AT ALL. REGARDING OUR SISTER CITIES, ONLY ALLEN AND FRISCO ARE RELEVANT EXAMPLES WHERE THEY HAVE REGULATIONS SPECIFIC TO THESE KIND OF BUSINESSES. CITIES SUCH AS DENTON AND PLANO DON'T HAVE ANYTHING COMPARABLE. FIRST, WITH THE CITY OF ALLEN, THEY ADOPTED THEIR REGULATIONS IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024. THEY RESTRICT THE SHOPS TO THEIR SHOPPING CENTER AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT TO OUR C TWO LOCAL COMMERCIAL AND C THREE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. THEY REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THESE BUSINESSES AND HAVE DISTANCE CRITERIA THAT PREVENT THEM FROM LOCATING WITHIN 300FT OF ANY SINGLE FAMILY ZONE, RELIGIOUS FACILITY, HOSPITAL OR DAYCARE. ALSO, THEY CAN'T LOCATE WITHIN 1000FT OF ANOTHER VAPE SHOP. 
          THE CITY OF FRISCO PASSED AN ORDINANCE IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR RESTRICTING VAPE SHOPS TO THEIR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAT CORRESPOND TO OUR C1, C2, AND C3 DISTRICTS, NOTABLY THEIR DOWNTOWN AND HIGHWAY SPECIFIC DISTRICTS DO NOT ALLOW THIS USE. NO SP IS REQUIRED IN THE CITY OF FRISCO, BUT THEY DO IMPOSE MORE EXPANSIVE LOCATION CRITERIA REQUIRING 1000FT FROM THE SAME IDENTIFIED USES AS THE CITY OF ALLEN, AND THEY ALSO REQUIRE A CERTIFIED SURVEY DEMONSTRATING COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE CRITERIA. WHEN A BUSINESS COMES IN AND REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. MOVING NOW A BIT FURTHER BEYOND THE SCOPE OF OUR LOCAL SISTER CITIES, FORT WORTH AND RICHARDSON HAVE ALSO BOTH PASSED RELEVANT ORDINANCES. 
          LIKE FRISCO. FORT WORTH PASSED ITS ORDINANCE ONLY EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THEY LIMIT VAPE SHOPS TO ONLY THEIR HIGHER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ZONES. THINK OUR C THREE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND TO THEIR INDUSTRIAL ZONES. ALSO LIKE FRISCO, FORT WORTH DOES NOT REQUIRE AN SUP, INSTEAD ONLY HAVING THAT DISTANCE CRITERIA. RICHARDSON, HOWEVER, PASSED THEIR ORDINANCE SIGNIFICANTLY EARLIER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES WE LOOKED AT AND HAS BY FAR THE SIMPLEST REGULATORY FRAMEWORK WHERE THEY SIMPLY REQUIRE AN S, U P IN THE GIVEN ZONES AND DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC CRITERIA. SO THIS BRINGS US TO THE MENU OF OPTIONS FOR REGULATING VAPE OR SMOKE SHOPS THAT STAFF HAS VETTED. WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THESE FROM THE LEAST INVOLVED TO THE MOST INVOLVED. THE FIRST OPTION IS SIMPLY TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO, TO MAKE NO CHANGES. CAN YOU OUTLINE WHAT THE STATUS QUO IS RIGHT HERE NOW? CAMERON I MEAN, YOU SHOWED WHAT THOSE OTHER CITIES. BUT WHAT ARE WE CURRENTLY DO, IF ANYTHING? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO SPECIFIC REGULATION FOR THESE SHOPS BECAUSE TO US, FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT, THEY ARE 
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JUST RETAIL SALES. THEY COULD BE C1, C2 OR C3. CORRECT. AND ADDITIONALLY I1 OR I2. AND EVEN IN OUR OFFICE DISTRICTS WITH AN SUP, THEY COULD GO IN AS RETAIL SALES. THANK YOU. AND THAT ACTUALLY BRINGS US TO THE KIND OF STEP ZERO FOR ANY SORT OF REGULATION, WHICH WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY DEFINE THE USE TO CREATE A USE UNIQUE TO SMOKE OR VAPE SHOPS THAT WOULD DIFFERENTIATE THEM FROM OTHER RETAIL SALES. AS PART OF THAT. ONE DEFINITION, THE KIND OF WORKING DEFINITION WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH IS A RETAIL SALES ESTABLISHMENT THAT SPECIALIZES OR OTHERWISE PRIMARILY OPERATES IN THE SALE OF PRODUCTS CONTAINING NICOTINE AND OR ANY ACCESSORIES RELATED TO UTILIZING NICOTINE PRODUCTS. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT SELL NICOTINE PRODUCTS THAT HAVE ANOTHER PRIMARY SERVICE USE, SUCH AS RESTAURANT, PRIVATE CLUB, FUEL SALES, PASSENGER VEHICLE, ETC. SO THIS WOULD BE TARGETING SPECIFIC SHOP TYPES THAT SPECIALIZE ONLY IN THE SALE OF THESE NICOTINE PRODUCTS WITHOUT PENALIZING LIKE A RESTAURANT WITH A HOOKAH BAR OR. LIKE A GAS STATION SELLING VAPES BEHIND THE COUNTER. THIS IS VERY TARGETED. SO ONCE WE DEFINE THE THE USE. THE WE HAVE A SORT OF A FAMILY OF OPTIONS UNDER THIS LAND USE REGULATION CATEGORY THAT WE CAN EXPLORE. 
          NONE OF THESE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. WE CAN DO AS MUCH OR AS LITTLE AS WE LIKE. WE CAN COMBINE ANY OF THESE OPTIONS. SO GOING THROUGH THEM AGAIN, FROM LEAST TO MOST INTENSIVE. 
          THE FIRST OPTION WE HAVE IS TO IMPLEMENT THAT DISTANCE CRITERIA THAT A NUMBER OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE PUT IN PLACE. ALLEN, FRISCO, FORT WORTH. THIS IS A VERY COMMON WAY TO REGULATE LAND USES SUCH AS THIS. THE NEXT OPTION WE HAVE IS REQUIRING AN S, U P, AND THAT COULD BE DONE IN ANY SORT OF COMBINATION. YOU COULD DO SUP WITH THAT DISTANCE REQUIREMENT. 
          YOU COULD RESTRICT IT BASICALLY HOWEVER YOU WANT IN ANY GIVEN ZONE. FINALLY, THERE'S AN OPTION TO FULL ON JUST RESTRICT THESE USES TO OUR I1 AND I2. INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE TREATING THEM SIMILARLY TO LAND USE PATTERNS LIKE PAWN SHOPS, IMPOUND LOTS, ETC. FINALLY, THERE'S AN OPTION TO REQUIRE VAPE SHOP SPECIFIC BUSINESS LICENSES. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING DONE THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY OFFICE. THIS WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO LIKE THE GAMING MACHINE LICENSES. SO AT THIS POINT, I WANT TO OPEN UP TO ANY QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION, KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT OPTIONS YOU'D LIKE US TO PURSUE. AND I STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I'LL MOVE BACK TO THE MENU. NOW LET'S LET'S SAY WE DECIDED TO REGULATE WITH THE EXISTING VAPE SHOPS BE GRANDFATHERED. IT WOULD DEPEND IF A REGULATION WE INTRODUCED CAUSED ONE OF THESE BUSINESSES TO BECOME A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE, THEY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN AS A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE AND WOULD CONTINUE. BUT NEW SHOPS THAT WANTED TO OPEN WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE NEW REGULATIONS, AND IF A SHOP CLOSED, IT COULDN'T SIMPLY REOPEN, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN UNDER THE CURRENT OR RATHER THE NEW STANDARDS. OKAY. 
          HOW DO WE DRAW A LINE ON THE CONVENIENCE STORES THAT SELL VAPES? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF GAS STATIONS THAT HAVE JUST BASICALLY STOPPED SELLING GAS AND JUST BECOME SMOKE SHOPS OR WHATEVER, HOW DO YOU DRAW A LINE IN THAT? THAT IS VERY TRICKY, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES OF USING LAND USE REGULATIONS TO TACKLE THIS. LOOKING AT THE OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE PASSED ORDINANCES LIKE THIS, THEY ALL COME OUT TO A SIMILAR DEFINITION, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE BASED OURS ON. I THINK IF WE'RE CLASSIFYING, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY AND CLASSIFY A BUSINESS, THE BEST WAY TO KIND OF ZERO IN ON A CONSISTENT DEFINITION, IT WOULD BE WE COULD REACH OUT TO THOSE OTHER CITIES, CODE COMPLIANCE 
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DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENTS, EXCUSE ME, AND KIND OF SEE HOW THEY VIEW THIS. ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO THE SHOP, DOES IT HAVE LIKE FOOD? DOES IT HAVE ANY SORT OF SIGNIFICANT OTHER USE? OR IS IT JUST RETAIL SALES WHERE THEY'RE SELLING NICOTINE? IF YOU'LL GO BACK A SLIDE TO THE WHAT THE OTHER CITIES DO. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THAT. 
          THE NOTES ON FORT WORTH SAY IT INCLUDES LIQUOR AND PAYDAY. YES. THE ORDINANCE THEY PASSED, THESE RESTRICTIONS APPLY TO SMOKE AND VAPE SHOPS, BUT ALSO TO LIQUOR STORES AND PAYDAY LOAN LENDERS. SO DID THEY PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT IS OVER AND ABOVE THE STATE'S ALLOWANCE FOR PROXIMITY OF LIQUOR STORES? YES. LOOK FOR MR. HAUSER, WHO TOLD ME WE COULDN'T DO THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT BACK HERE. MR. SAMPLES, THE I GUESS THE STATE THE STATE REGULATES THIS GENERAL. YOU HAVE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. BUT I GUESS AS FAR AS PREEMPTION AND THAT THERE'S LEVELS THAT THE CITY CAN REGULATE ABOVE AND BEYOND, THAT'S ALLOWED. BUT I GUESS IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE LAND USE COMPONENT AND REVIEWING WHAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO REGULATE AND WHAT, WHAT POLICE POWER WE'RE UTILIZING UNDER THAT IS THAT, AND WE CAN TAKE IT OFFLINE AT A SEPARATE TIME. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I, I FELT LIKE WE COULD HAVE DONE SOME OF THAT WHEN, WHEN WE PASSED THAT OR WHEN THAT WAS PASSED, BUT. RIGHT. I GUESS FOR, FOR ME, YOU KNOW. I THINK THESE THINGS CAN BE ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITIES. DEFINING THAT WITH LAND USE IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CREATE A WHOLE LOT OF DEFINITIONS AND A WHOLE LOT OF OVERSIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS NOT WHAT WE DO. SO I FEEL LIKE, YEAH, I WISH THERE. I WISH NOBODY SMOKED OR VAPED OR DID THESE THINGS, BUT THAT'S NOT MY JOB. AND I WISH THAT THEY WEREN'T IN OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND AVAILABLE TO, TO PEOPLE TO GET ADDICTED BY. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT MY JOB. AND SO CAN I GET THAT OUTCOME THROUGH LAND USE? YEAH. BUT, YOU KNOW, DRAWING THOSE LINES ON WHAT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE? WHAT'S A VAPE SHOP? WHAT'S A YEAH, THOSE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF WE'RE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THAT. SO YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, WE CAN TIGHTEN UP THE LAND USE I, I'LL BE FORWARDING WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, FAR AS YOU KNOW, RESTRICTING ON THE LAND USE. BUT MY ISSUE WITH THE VAPE SHOPS IS, I MEAN, WE HAVE THE T A, B, C THAT THAT KIND OF MONITORS BARS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR OWN HEALTH INSPECTORS THAT THAT MONITORS RESTAURANTS AND FOR FOOD QUALITY AND MAKING SURE THE RESTAURANTS ARE SAFE. I THINK WE SHOULD BE REGULATING THESE VAPE SHOPS ON THE LINE OF THE FOOD SERVICES. I MEAN, WE NEED DRUG SNIFFING DOGS THAT COME IN RANDOMLY AND MONITOR THESE PLACES. WE'VE ALREADY HAD INSTANCES THAT HAVE BEEN NOTED IN MCKINNEY RIGHT NOW WHERE THESE VAPE SHOPS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SELLING OTHER THINGS BESIDES NICOTINE IN THEM, OUT THE BACK OF OUT THE BACK DOOR. 
          AND SO REGARDLESS OF THE DISTANCE OR WHATEVER, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, I THINK JUST ADDING THAT TYPE OF ORDINANCE ON THERE WHERE THEY CAN BE RANDOMLY SEARCHED WITH, WITH, WITH DRUG SNIFFING DOGS THAT THAT'LL, THAT'LL SHUT DOWN A LOT OF THESE BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM WON'T BE PROFITABLE JUST BY SELLING NICOTINE CARTRIDGES OUT THE FRONT DOOR. THEY'RE, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY DOING SOMETHING ELSE. AND I'VE WITNESSED IT IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE HAVE INSTANCES I CAN'T GO INTO DETAIL BECAUSE IT INVOLVES CHILDREN, BUT IT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE. I WANT TO SEE HOW DO WE PUT AN ORDINANCE TOGETHER TO HAVE IT JUST ALONG THE SAME LINES, IF WE CAN GO IN AND MONITOR A RESTAURANT, LET'S BE ABLE TO GO IN AND MONITOR, VAPE SHOP AND JUST RANDOMLY COME IN THERE AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SELLING. DO THESE OTHER CITIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT COUNCILMAN JONES IS SUGGESTING? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO DO TO TAKE ACTION TO GIVE OUR CITY THE AUTHORITY TO GO IN THERE FOR THAT? I'M NOT SURE ON THE RANDOM INSPECTIONS. 
          AS FOR THE AUTHORITY, I WANT TO DEFER TO COUNCIL. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK, MR. SAMPLES? WE CAN 
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LOOK AT IT. THERE'S SOME PARAMETERS THAT HAVE TO GO INTO IT. AND ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT MR. COUNCILMAN JONES WAS SAYING IS THE TEXAS HAS THE AUTHORITY, THE T A, B, C COMPONENT. THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THIS. SO IT MAY BE A COMBINATION OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, WORKING WITH THE STATE AGENCY THAT HAS THAT INSPECTION RIGHT TO DEVELOP THAT. BUT I THINK MORE MORE INFORMATION AND MORE, I GUESS, MORE A LOOK INTO WHAT WE THINK WE CAN ENFORCE IN COMBINATION WITH THE POLICE AND OUR LAND USE IS PROBABLY NEEDED TO DEVELOP THAT. BUT OUTRIGHT, I CAN'T I CAN'T GIVE YOU A YES OR NO AT THIS TIME. IS THERE MERIT THEN BECAUSE I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN JONES. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET RID OF THE BAD ACTORS THAT ARE JUST A TERRIBLE OUTCOME FOR THIS COMMUNITY. AND IS THERE VALUE IN TABLING THIS UNTIL WE COULD BETTER INVESTIGATE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE IN THAT REGARD, AND THEN COMING UP WITH WHATEVER ORDINANCES WE NEED TO LOOK TO? I THINK I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS FOR YOUR DIRECTION REGARDING, YOU KNOW, CAMERON'S PUT IN TIME AND PLANNING AND LOOKING AT THE THIS REGULATION, IF THAT'S THE OPTION YOU'D LIKE US TO INVESTIGATE, I THINK STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S LEGAL AND I THINK PUSHES FORTH THAT DIRECTION. BUT I THINK THE DIRECTION WE NEED AND STAFF NEEDS WOULD BE FROM COUNCIL. TO PURSUE THAT IN A LEGAL MEANS. OKAY. YEAH, I'M ALL FOR LOOKING INTO THAT. CAMERON, LET'S BACK WAY UP. AND HOW DID THIS GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY? WHY ARE YOU GIVING US THIS REPORT? SO A FEW MONTHS BACK, THERE WAS A REQUEST PUT FORWARD BY COUNCIL JUST TO EXPLORE THE OPTIONS THAT THE CITY COULD HAVE IN TERMS OF REGULATING THESE SHOPS. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE WERE RESIDENTS THAT HAD REACHED OUT WITH SOME CONCERNS. THEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT ALLEN AND FRISCO WHO HAD JUST PASSED ORDINANCES. SO WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK IN TO WHAT MCKINNEY COULD DO IF COUNCIL SO DESIRED. WELL, IT CERTAINLY JUSTIFIED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS AND WHAT COULD BE ON THE BOOKS. I THINK COUNCILMAN JONES BROUGHT UP A TOTALLY SEPARATE QUESTION, WHICH WAS INSPECTIONS AND SEARCHES AND AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, WHICH ARE VERY IMPORTANT. AND YES, WE ALL HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS FROM CITIZENS THAT HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE OF WHAT'S BEING SOLD OUT THE BACK DOOR, WHICH IS NOT WHAT'S BEING SOLD AT THE FRONT DOOR AND WHICH IS NOT WHAT WAS SEAL WAS ISSUED ON. SO LOTS OF GOOD POINTS UP HERE. DO WE HAVE THE ANSWERS? IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT. NOT YET. BUT I DO THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON THIS, AND WE DO HAVE A CONCERN FROM SOME OF OUR CITIZENS AND AT THE SAME TIME, NOT SET OURSELVES UP FOR A LAWSUIT THAT SOMEONE CAN SAY, TIME OUT, I'M A RETAIL BUSINESS AND YOU JUST SHUT ME DOWN, WHICH IS NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. MR. MAYOR, I JUST I NEED CLARITY AS STAFF ON WHAT PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. WHAT DOES THE COUNCIL WANT US TO SOLVE WITH THIS? I AGREE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M HEARING 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          IF STAFF'S GOING TO GO BACK AND DO MORE WORK OR WHATEVER, THAT'S GREAT. WE'LL DO IT. BUT HELP TELL US OR TELL US WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE? YEAH. I MEAN, FOR ME, IT'S NUMBER ONE, WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THE DRUG PROBLEM. AND IT'S A PROBLEM ONLY BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND. WE CAN GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR NEXT MEETING AND HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, POLICE KIND OF GIVE US THE REPORTS OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT'S THERE. SO TO ME, THAT'S THAT'S NUMBER ONE, LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELL NICOTINE, SELL NICOTINE, BUT I DON'T WANT OTHER THINGS BEING SOLD OUT OF THESE VAPE SHOPS. I CAN CARE LESS ABOUT WHERE THEY AT OR JUST IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MONITOR THAT AND HOW TO TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THIS PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY OR WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THEM COULD SURVIVE WITHOUT DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. COUNCILMAN JONES, TO YOUR POINT, THERE ARE EXAMPLES IN IN AS RECENT AS 30 DAYS WHERE A BCC HAS COME IN, INSPECTED AND HAS EVIDENCE OF CERTAIN SHOPS IN MCKINNEY SELLING A PRODUCT THAT IS NOT LEGAL TO BE SOLD. SO YOU PUT THAT IN YOUR LIST OF THINGS TO DO. CHECK WITH T, A, B, C BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ON SITE. 
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GOT IT. YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. BUT THE CITY MANAGER. YOU'RE RIGHT. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE GOAL. IS IT TO SHUT DOWN A BUSINESS OR IS IT TO STOP WHAT'S BEING SOLD OUT THE BACK DOOR? THAT'S TO ME IT'S PRIMARILY WHAT'S BEING SOLD OUT THE BACK DOOR. I DON'T LIKE THE BUSINESSES. BUT TO COUNCILMAN BELLA'S POINT, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT I DON'T SPEND MY MONEY AT. IF SOMEONE'S MAKING AN HONEST LIVING IN MCKINNEY, COMPLYING WITH THE LAW, THEN I DON'T BEGRUDGE THEM THAT. IF THEY HAVE THE DEMAND FOR THEIR PRODUCT, I WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE THEM MOVE TO MORE INDUSTRIAL AREAS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULDN'T MIND LITIGATING. AFTER WE SOLVE WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE THE MAJOR ISSUE, WHICH IS WHAT COUNCILMAN JONES IS TALKING ABOUT REGARDING ENFORCEMENT ACTION BY PD. WE DID CONSULT WITH THEM DURING OUR RESEARCH FOR THIS TOPIC, AND THEY HAD BROUGHT UP THAT EVEN SEIZING A LOT OF THE MATERIALS BECOMES DIFFICULT TO LITIGATE, COST PROHIBITIVE. YOU HAVE TO SEND EVERY SINGLE THING YOU GET OFF TO A STATE TESTER. AND WHAT THEY DESCRIBED WAS ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE PLAYING A GAME OF WHACK A MOLE. YEAH, THAT WAS, IN THEIR VIEW, NOT EFFECTIVE. I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT IS EFFECTIVE THAT WE HAVE SOME IMPACT ON. AND IF OTHER CITIES ARE DOING SOMETHING, IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE THAN WE ARE IN MITIGATING THIS DRUG PROBLEM. 
          I THINK SO, AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS BASICALLY, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE SOLVE. THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE IS ILLICIT ACTIVITY AND DRUGS OR ILLICIT ACTIVITY AND PRODUCTS COMING OUT THE BACK DOOR, AS WE CALL IT, BEING SOLD ILLEGALLY AT SOME OF OUR SHOPS. AND WHAT TYPES OF STRATEGIES CAN STAFF WORKING WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS, AND TO MITIGATE THE ILLICIT ACTIVITY? YES. YES, SIR. 
          YES. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THE HEALTH ISSUE RELATED TO THIS. THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY CERTAINLY IS PARAMOUNT AND PRIORITY, BUT I LEAN TOWARDS ASKING THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE MOST RESTRICTIVE ORDINANCES IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE AVAILABILITY OF THIS PRODUCT IN OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THE LONG TERM HEALTH IMPACT OF VAPING, YOU KNOW, DOCTOR FELTS CAN ATTEST TO IT, IS SEVERE. AND WE'RE ONLY BEGINNING TO TO SEE HOW SEVERE IT IS. SO I CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN JONES DESIRE FOR THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO HAVING THE MOST RESTRICTIVE ORDINANCES AND LIMITING THE ACCESS POINTS FOR VAPING PRODUCTS IN GENERAL. SAME WAY WE REGULATE LIQUOR SALES. I CAN EASILY GET ON BOARD WITH THAT. ERNEST. I EASILY, BUT I THINK IT IS FAIR. 
          AND I COULD SEE SOME OF THESE OPERATING THAT ARE DOING SO COMPLIANTLY OPERATING AS A NONCONFORMING USE TILL THEY ELECT TO SHUT DOWN. BUT YOU DON'T WANT IT GROWING? NO SIR, I DON'T YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE ORDINANCES THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO THE SPREAD. NO, SIR. I DON'T TRY TO TRY TO MANAGE THE ACCESS POINTS GOING FORWARD. I'M ALL IN FAVOR WITH WITH DOING THAT AND GOING BACK AND DOING THE WORK, I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARD AN SUP ON THE REGULATORY SIDE, JUST SO WE GET A A VIEW OF WHAT'S COMING FORWARD AND CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THE COUNCIL LEVEL. SO IF WE WERE TO INSTITUTE ANY LAND USE REGULATIONS, THOSE WOULD BE A PART OF THE ONGOING UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE, WHICH WE'RE PROJECTING TO BRING BEFORE Y'ALL IN SOMETIME THIS AUTUMN. AS TO THE SPECIFICS, THEN. WHEN YOU SAID YOU'D LIKE TO REQUIRE AN SUP, DO YOU MEAN JUST IN THE EXISTING DISTRICTS THAT RETAIL SALES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN? I THINK YOU MEAN ANYWHERE, DON'T YOU? YEAH, I MEAN ANYWHERE. OKAY. YEAH. AND IS YOUR WORKING ON THAT? CAMERON. THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON IT. 
          I'D BE FINE TO MAKE IT REQUIRE THE SUP. I'D ALSO BE FINE TO SAY ONLY COME TO US WITH AN SUP IF YOU'RE IN A CERTAIN. ZONING AREA, BUT THE SUP IS FINE WITH ME. ANYONE ELSE? MR. CITY MANAGER, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH ILLICIT ACTIVITIES? NUMBER ONE, KIND OF THE PRIMARY PURPOSE AS A SECONDARY CONSIDERATION IS ALSO HOW DO WE COME UP WITH SOME STRATEGIES TO MINIMIZE OR 
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MITIGATE THE NUMBER OF ENTITIES IN MCKINNEY? IS THAT FAIR ASSESSMENT? OKAY. AND THEN ADDRESS NOT YOU, MR. QUINN. GIVE ME A SECOND AT POSSIBLE SUP CORRECT? OKAY, MICHAEL. SO ON THE SUP. MICHAEL QUINN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DO JUST WANT TO STRESS THE LOGISTICS OF ADDING THE SUP WE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT RETAIL STORES ARE SELLING VAPES OR NOT, WE NOW HAVE TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO EVERY RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. OKAY. ONCE WE DO, THEN WE HAVE TO GET AN INVENTORY OF WHAT EACH RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT IS SELLING TO FIND OUT WHO IS SELLING THOSE VAPES, TO IDENTIFY WHO BECOMES A LEGAL NONCONFORMING AND WHO DOESN'T. I JUST WANT WHEN WE MAKE THAT CHANGE, WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE IT. BUT THERE'S A BIG LIFT. IT'S A BIG LIFT. YEAH, YEAH. BUT IF WE EXPAND THAT FURTHER WHEN WE COME BACK, YEAH. WHAT IF WE LOOK AT MAYBE LIGHTEN UP ON THE SUP AND LOOK AT DISTANCE BETWEEN OR MINIMIZING POTENTIAL LOCATIONS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. STAFF WILL COME UP WITH A SCHEME USING THE DISTANCE CRITERIA. 
          AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HOWEVER MANY SHOPS WOULD BOTH FALL UNDER OUR DEFINITION AND FALL WITHIN THOSE DISTANCE CRITERIA. AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO BRING THIS BACK AS PART OF THE WORK SESSIONS REGARDING THE UDC UPDATE. THANK YOU SIR CAMERON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          [26-0556 Consider/Discuss Mosquito Control Program]
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM 26-0556. A MOSQUITO CONTROL PROGRAM PRESENTATION. MR. MILAM GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MR. GRIMES, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON AS I PROVIDE YOU WITH A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR MOSQUITO CONTROL PROGRAM, AS WELL AS TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROMOTE AND RECOGNIZE NATIONAL MOSQUITO CONTROL AWARENESS WEEK. THIS IS MY AGENDA FOR THIS AFTERNOON. AS WELL AS OUR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AS WE FALL UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIVISION. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM OUR MISSION STATEMENT, ONE OF THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE HEALTH COMPLIANCE TEAM IS THAT OF MOSQUITO CONTROL. WHEN SOMEONE THINKS ABOUT MOSQUITO CONTROL, THEY PROBABLY THINK OF A TRUCK GOING DOWN THE STREET LATE AT NIGHT, FOG COMING OUT, KILLING ALL THE MOSQUITOES IN THE AREA. HOWEVER, OUR TEAM TRIES TO TAKE AN INTEGRATED MOSQUITO MANAGEMENT APPROACH, AND THAT IS A COMPREHENSIVE SCIENCE BASED APPROACH TO MOSQUITO CONTROL, WHICH DOESN'T JUST IMPLY SPRAYING. AND I'LL COVER THAT A LITTLE BIT IN MY PRESENTATION AND KIND OF GIVE YOU THOSE PARAMETERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS INTEGRATED MOSQUITO MANAGEMENT. I WILL DO MY BEST TO NOT GEEK OUT ON YOU TOO MUCH, BECAUSE WHEN I START TALKING ABOUT MOSQUITO BIOLOGY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THIS IS REALLY A PASSION OF MINE. SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME JUST A MOMENT ON THAT. NATIONAL MOSQUITO CONTROL AWARENESS WEEK WAS FOUNDED IN 1997 BY THE AMERICAN MOSQUITO CONTROL ASSOCIATION AS A WAY TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE DISEASES AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS THAT ARE BROUGHT ABOUT BY MOSQUITOES, AS WELL AS EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON WAYS TO PREVENT MOSQUITOES FROM BITING THEM, WAYS TO ELIMINATE STANDING WATER AND OTHER AREAS OF CONCERN AROUND THEIR PROPERTY TO HELP REDUCE THE MOSQUITO POPULATION. AND NOW, 30 YEARS LATER, LOCAL AND COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, AS WELL AS MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, TAKE THIS THIRD WEEK OF JUNE TO RECOGNIZE NATIONAL MOSQUITO AWARENESS WEEK AND PROMOTE THIS, THIS GREAT EVENT. I DID MENTION SOME MOSQUITO BORNE DISEASES. 
          NOW, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME STATISTICS HERE. A COUPLE OF THESE ARE GLOBALLY, BUT IT'S ESTIMATED THAT EACH YEAR 700,000 MOSQUITOES, 700 MILLION MOSQUITO BORNE DISEASES ARE REPORTED AROUND THE WORLD EACH YEAR. AND UNFORTUNATELY, ALONG WITH THAT COMES APPROXIMATELY 700 000 DEATHS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE, WE SEE BETWEEN 2 AND 3000 WEST NILE VIRUS CASES EACH YEAR. AND IN TEXAS JUST LAST YEAR, WE HAD 192 CASES, ALONG WITH FOUR DEATHS. AND AS WITH MOST COMMUNICABLE DISEASE, EXCUSE ME, DISEASES, THOSE WITH COMPROMISED IMMUNE SYSTEMS, THE ELDERLY AND YOUNG CHILDREN ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE. NOW, HERE'S THE PART WHERE I KIND OF GEEK OUT A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME BASICS ABOUT MOSQUITOES AND, AND THEIR BIOLOGY. SO EVEN THOUGH MOSQUITOES CAN SEE VERY 
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WELL, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ATTRACTED TO US HUMANS BY THE CARBON DIOXIDE THAT'S RELEASED WHEN WE EXHALE, AND ALSO FROM THE LACTIC ACID THAT'S PRODUCED IN OUR SWEAT. THAT'S HOW THEY ACTUALLY FIND US AT NIGHT TIME WHEN THEY'RE OUT AND ABOUT. ONE INTERESTING FACT ABOUT THIS IS ONLY THE FEMALE MOSQUITO BITES. THE MALE MOSQUITOES DO NOT BITE AT ALL, BUT THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO DIFFERENT PERFUMES AND COLOGNES THAT THAT WE HAVE ON THE FEMALE MOSQUITO IS THERE TO BITE YOU, TO TAKE YOUR BLOOD. BECAUSE WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO DO, SHE'S TRYING TO REPRODUCE AND LAY EGGS. AND THAT BLOOD, YOUR BLOOD MEAL IS TO HELP NOURISHMENT FOR THOSE EGGS. 
          RICHARD, IS THIS THE GEEKY PART OF THE PRESENTATION? THIS IS THE GEEKY PART. I'M SORRY, MR. MAYOR. YES, MY MY WIFE TELLS ME I AM A GEEK BECAUSE I START TALKING ABOUT THIS AND YES, SIR, I WILL. I WILL SPEED IT UP, SIR. ONCE THE MOSQUITO DOES LAY HER EGGS, IT'S ABOUT 710 DAYS FOR THAT. THOSE EGGS TO HATCH INTO ADULT MOSQUITOES AS WE GET INTO THE JULY AND AUGUST MONTHS HERE IN NORTH TEXAS, THOSE NUMBERS ARE REDUCED ANYWHERE FROM 6 TO 7 DAYS. ONE THING THAT A MOSQUITO DOES HAVE TO HAVE IS STANDING WATER. THAT'S WHAT IS NEEDED FOR FOR THE LIFE CYCLE OF MOSQUITO TO COMPLETE. AS I'VE BEEN OUT IN THE FIELD DOING SURVEILLANCE AND WALKING THROUGH THE WOODS, I'VE FOUND A SIMPLE BOTTLE CAP IN THE WOODS THAT'S HOLDING WATER, AND IN IT YOU'LL SEE MOSQUITO LARVAE. SO SOMETHING AS SMALL AS A BOTTLE CAP CAN ACTUALLY CAUSE MOSQUITO BREEDING. IN NORTH AMERICA, WE HAVE ABOUT 150 DIFFERENT SPECIES OF MOSQUITOES. HERE IN TEXAS, WE AROUND 85 IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO SPECIFIC TYPES OF MOSQUITOES. I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THE SCIENTIFIC NAME OF THIS MOSQUITO. JUST KNOW IT'S THE SOUTHERN HOUSE MOSQUITO. THIS IS THE GUY THAT LIKES TO GET IN ANY OPEN DOORS, OPEN WINDOWS, AND THEY'RE VERY DOMESTICATED. BUT THIS IS THE PRIMARY CARRIER OF WEST NILE VIRUS HERE IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA. AS IT SAYS THERE, IT LIKES TO BREED IN STAGNANT STANDING OR ORGANIC MATTER WATER. THE NEXT MOSQUITO OF CONCERN, A LITTLE MORE COLORFUL. 
          THIS IS KNOWN AS THE ASIAN TIGER MOSQUITO. IT LIKES TO BREED IN TREE HOLES, PLANTS, CONTAINERS AROUND THE HOME. THEY ARE VERY ACTIVE, AGGRESSIVE DAY BITERS. IF YOU FIND YOURSELF SITTING IN A SHADY AREA ON A BENCH SOMEWHERE AND YOU HAVE MOSQUITOES BUZZING AROUND YOU, LANDING ON YOU, IT'S PROBABLY THIS GUY. THEY ARE THE MAIN CARRIER OF THE ZIKA VIRUS. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR MOSQUITO CONTROL PROGRAM. I MENTIONED INTEGRATED MOSQUITO MANAGEMENT. THIS IS WHERE THE SURVEILLANCE, NOT JUST THE SPRAYING, BUT THE SURVEILLANCE PART COMES IN. THAT IS A CURRENT PICTURE OF THE PAINTED TREE SUBDIVISION. 
          AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, 5 TO 10 YEARS AGO, THAT WAS JUST SIMPLY FARMLAND OUT THERE WITH SOME CREEKS IN IT. WELL, NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, HOMES BACK UP TO THIS CREEK THAT CONTAIN STANDING WATER AND THE MOSQUITO BREEDING. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE PUT MOSQUITO TRAPS IN THAT AREA AND ACTIVELY SURVEY AND TEST THOSE MOSQUITOES FOR ANY WEST NILE OR ZIKA VIRUS SO THAT WE CAN WARN THE PUBLIC AND TAKE ACTION. IF THERE IS THE DISEASES IN THE AREA DURING CALLS FOR SERVICE, WE MIGHT ALSO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE WHAT WE CALL MOSQUITO LARVAE SIDE FOR THE RESIDENT. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY A MOSQUITO DUNK. IT LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE DONUT THAT WE GIVE OUT. 
          THEY CAN PUT THAT IN THE STANDING WATER IF THEY CAN'T ELIMINATE IT, SOMETHING LIKE THIS CREEK, IT'LL LAST FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS. IT PROVIDE DECENT PROTECTION TO KILL THE MOSQUITO LARVAE IN THE WATER FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS. IF WE DON'T GET A GOOD RAINFALL, IF WE GET A GOOD RAINFALL AND IT WASHES IT AWAY TO THE LAKE, THEY'LL NEED TO REAPPLY. THAT SURVEILLANCE TAKES PLACE WEEKLY AROUND THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. WE HAVE 16 PERMANENT TRAPS THAT WE SET EACH WEEK STRATEGICALLY AROUND THE CITY, AND WE ALSO HAVE FIVE, WHAT WE CALL ROAMING ROVING TRAPS THAT FOR COMPLAINTS OR CALLS FOR SERVICE. WE ALSO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON ANY EVENT THAT WE'RE AT, WHETHER THAT'S FOOD OR OR POOL PROGRAMS. WE ALSO LIKE TO INTEGRATE OUR MOSQUITO CONTROL PROGRAM IN THEIR. AND AS, AS I MENTIONED, THE LAST METHOD OF CONTROL IN THAT MOSQUITO MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IS THAT OF SPRAYING. SPRAYING, OR ADULTICIDES, AS IT'S CALLED, IS ONLY DONE ON TWO FACTORS. IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MOSQUITO POOL THAT'S TEST POSITIVE FOR EITHER WEST NILE OR ZIKA, OR WE HAVE A CONFIRMED HUMAN CASE IN THE AREA, AND THEN WE'LL SPRAY A ONE MILE RADIUS AROUND THAT AREA. WHY WE PICKED ONE MILE. 
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THE MOSQUITO FLIGHT PATTERN IS TYPICALLY UP TO ONE MILE. MOST TIME IT'S EITHER A QUARTER OR A HALF A MILE. THEY WON'T PASS ONE BLOOD MILL TO GET TO THE NEXT. THEY'LL STOP AT THE FIRST BLOOD MILL. HERE YOU CAN SEE OUR TECHNICIAN SETTING UP TRAP, GETTING READY TO DEPLOY THAT TRAP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU SEE THE BUCKETS THERE? WHAT WE DO WHEN WE MOW OUR YARD, WE CAPTURE THOSE GRASS CLIPPINGS AND PUT A LITTLE BIT INTO EACH BUCKET, FILL IT WITH WATER, AND THEN PUT THE LID ON IT AND LET IT SET AND FIRM IT FOR ABOUT A WEEK'S TIME. THAT CREATES THAT STAGNANT STANDING WATER THAT WE ASK PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF AROUND THEIR HOME. THAT ATTRIBUTES TO MOSQUITO BREEDING. FROM THERE, WE HAVE A TUBE THAT WILL HOLD A NET THAT CONNECTED TO A LITTLE SIX VOLT BATTERY. AND AS THAT MOSQUITO LANDS ON THAT STAGNANT WATER TO LAY HER EGGS FOR THE REPRODUCTION CYCLE, IT WILL ACTUALLY SUCK HER UP INTO THAT AND CAPTURE IN THE NET. WHEN WE ASK, WHEN RESIDENTS ASK US, COULD YOU SET A TRAP IN OUR YARD? YOU KNOW, MAYBE HELP ELIMINATE THOSE MOSQUITOES? WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE MOSQUITOES. WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO KEEP THEM ALIVE. BECAUSE ONCE THAT MOSQUITO DIES, SO DOES THE VIRUS THAT'S CONTAINED IN THEIR BODY. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO KEEP THEM ALIVE WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS PROCESS. SOME HISTORICAL DATA FROM OUR SURVEILLANCE METHODS. THIS IS OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, AND I'VE THROWN IN 2012, JUST FOR REFERENCE HERE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, OVER THE YEARS, OUR MOSQUITO TRAP DEPLOYMENT HAS GONE UP AS OUR POPULATION IN PLACES LIKE PAINTED TREE HAS DEVELOPED. WE'VE CONTINUED TO JUST EXPAND THAT SERVICE OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. WE FEEL VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS DATA. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A COUPLE OF YEARS, 2012 AND 24, WHERE WE DID HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF MOSQUITO POOLS, AS WELL AS A FEW HUMAN CASES. NOW, I'D LIKE TO TELL EVERYONE JUST ABOUT SOME FEW PERSONAL PROTECTIVE MEASURES THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO PREVENT MOSQUITO BITES. WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND USING DEET. 
          THAT'S THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT IN THINGS LIKE DEEP WOODS OFF. SOMETHING WITH ABOUT 25% DEET WILL HELP KEEP THE MOSQUITOES DOWN. IT MAY SEEM A LITTLE REDUNDANT, BUT EVEN WHEN IT'S HOT OUTSIDE, LONG SLEEVE, LONG PANTS, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THERE IS JUST ELIMINATE THE THE SURFACE AREA OF THE SKIN THAT THE MOSQUITO CAN COME IN AND BITE. AVOID BEING OUTSIDE DUSK AND DAWN. THAT'S WHEN MOSQUITOES ARE MOST ACTIVE. YOU'LL PROBABLY NOTICE THAT IF YOU'VE BEEN OUTSIDE AT A BASEBALL GAME OR SOMETHING, THAT'S WHEN THEY REALLY START TO COME OUT AND THEN RUN YOUR AIR CONDITIONER. DON'T LEAVE WINDOWS, DOORS, THINGS LIKE THAT OPEN FOR THE MOSQUITOES TO GET INSIDE. SOME TIPS FROM AROUND THE HOME. ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS OF MOSQUITO BREEDING IS THAT OF GUTTERS. IF YOU LIVED IN A IN A WELL DEVELOPED SUBDIVISION WITH LOTS OF TREES, THOSE LEAVES FALL. THEY GET DOWN INTO GUTTERS, CLOG THEM UP, THE RAIN COMES AND NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE STAGNANT WATER, STANDING WATER IN YOUR GUTTERS FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AT A TIME. CHANGE YOUR WATER IN YOUR PET DISHES DAILY BIRDBATHS, THINGS LIKE THAT. ANYTHING THAT'S CONCAVE IN YOUR YARD THAT CAN HOLD WATER. WE RECOMMEND YOU CHECK ON THAT PERIODICALLY AND EITHER DRAIN THAT WATER OR PUT SOME SORT OF CHEMICAL IN THERE TO HELP KILL THOSE MOSQUITOES. ALSO, CHECK YOUR IRRIGATION VALVES. IF YOU HAVE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM, POP OPEN THE VALVE BOX AND CHECK DOWN IN THERE AND MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE STATIC STANDING WATER INSIDE THERE. SWIMMING POOLS, ABANDONED STRUCTURES, AND SWIMMING POOLS ARE ONE OF ONE OF OUR BIGGEST OFFENDERS WHEN IT COMES TO MOSQUITO CONTROL. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR CODE TEAM DURING THIS TIME. IF THEY'VE IDENTIFIED AN AREA OR A HOUSE THAT'S ABANDONED, THAT HAS A POOL AND IT LOOKS IN THIS CONDITION, THEY'LL REPORT IT TO US AND WE CAN GO OUT. WE CAN PUT LARVICIDE IN THE WATER TO TREAT IT TEMPORARILY. THE OTHER THING WE'LL DO IS ALSO DEPLOY A TRAP TO THAT AREA OVERNIGHT TO TEST THOSE MOSQUITOES, SEE IF WE CAN DO ACTUAL SPRAYING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS. MAKE SURE YOU COVER ALL YOUR TRASH CANS. YOU KNOW, WHEN TRASH MAN COMES AND THAT LID STAYS OPEN, RAIN THAT NIGHT COULD LEAD TO POTENTIAL MOSQUITO BREEDING. YOU CAN ALSO TREAT AROUND YOUR SHRUBS OF YOUR HOME. USE SOMETHING THAT HAS A LONG LASTING RESIDUAL EFFECT TO HELP ELIMINATE THE MOSQUITOES. AND THEN I'VE ALSO MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES PUTTING SOME SORT OF MOSQUITO LARVICIDE IN YOUR IN YOUR STAGNANT WATER, ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE. AND WITH THAT, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I WILL STAND TO FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANYONE? THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK 
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YOU, EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. LAST ITEM IN OUR WORK SESSION IS 26-0557. 
          [26-0557 Communication Plan for Recycling Initiative]
COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR OUR RECYCLING INITIATIVE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL RYAN GILLINGHAM DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AGAIN. SO I AM HERE TO INTRODUCE ONE OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS, SUJATA GAUTAM, WHO IS OUR SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER. YOU HEARD FROM HER PROBABLY EARLIER THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS WHEN WE HAD THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY ROADMAP. SO IN ADDITION TO ALL OF SUJATA'S ACCOLADES, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SHE'S ALSO A MCKINLEY HIGH GRADUATE. SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SUJATA. 
          NICE TO. 20 MINUTES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, RYAN, FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. AFTERNOON TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. MAYOR AND MR. GRIMES, I AM, AS RYAN MENTIONED HERE TODAY, TO SHARE OUR COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR THE GRANT FUNDED RECYCLING INITIATIVE WE'RE WORKING ON. 
          OVER THE NEXT TEN MINUTES, I'LL BE SHARING THE PURPOSE OF OUR RECYCLING INITIATIVE AND HOW IT SUPPORTS OUR LARGER GOALS LISTED IN THE SUSTAINABILITY ROADMAP. I'LL THEN BE SHARING A BRIEF PROJECT OVERVIEW AND TIMELINE, AND HOW WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS DEVELOPING A COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT. AND THEN LASTLY, WRAP UP WITH ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AT THE END. SO YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT I WAS LAST HERE PRESENTING BEFORE YOU IN JANUARY TO PRESENT ON A SUSTAINABILITY ROADMAP FOR THE CITY, WHICH IS AN EXCITING MILESTONE FOR OUR CITY THAT REALLY SHOWS OUR COMMITMENT TO FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND RESOURCE EFFICIENCY. ONE OF THE GOALS IN THE COUNCIL ADOPTED ROADMAP IS TO REDUCE RECYCLING CONTAMINATION. THE WHY HERE IS THAT CONTAMINATED RECYCLING INCREASES COSTS FOR US AS A CITY AND MAKES OUR RECYCLING LESS EFFECTIVE OVERALL. THE TARGET HERE IS TO REDUCE OUR CONTAMINATION TO ABOUT HALF WITHIN THE SPAN OF FIVE YEARS. AND ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS WE'D LIKE TO DO TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL IS TO USE TECHNOLOGY ON COLLECTION VEHICLES TO IDENTIFY TRENDS, AND THEN TAILOR OUR OUTREACH AND EDUCATION MATERIALS ACCORDINGLY. AND THAT BRINGS US EXACTLY TO WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, WHICH IS OUR RECYCLING CONTAMINATION REDUCTION INITIATIVE, FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT WE RECEIVED FROM THE RECYCLING PARTNERSHIP. 
          SO THE COUNCIL ACCEPTED THIS GRANT BACK IN AUGUST. AND THIS GRANT PROVIDES US $778,000 TO PROACTIVELY HELP IMPROVE RECYCLING IN OUR COMMUNITY. NOW, HOW WILL WE DO THIS? THIS GRANT SPECIFICALLY FUNDS TECHNOLOGY, SMART TRUCK TECHNOLOGY THAT ALLOWS US TO IDENTIFY CONTAMINATION IN RECYCLING CARTS. IT ALSO PAYS FOR EDUCATION AND OUTREACH MATERIALS THAT WE CAN SEND TO RESIDENTS TO HELP THEM EDUCATE, GET EDUCATED ON HOW TO RECYCLE BETTER IN OUR COMMUNITY. NOW, THE RECYCLING PARTNERSHIP HAS CONDUCTED PROJECTS LIKE THIS THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND HAS SEEN A LOT OF SUCCESS. CONTAMINATION REDUCTIONS AVERAGING UP TO 41% IN SOME COMMUNITIES. NOW WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SOME OF THOSE SAME OUTCOMES HERE IN MCKINNEY. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE TIMELINE OF KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING SO FAR AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED. YOU CAN SEE IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, THE GRANT HAS FUNDED A THIRD PARTY TO DO AN ASSESSMENT ON OUR RECYCLING STREAM TO IDENTIFY TOP CONTAMINANTS. THE GRANT ALSO FUNDED A CITY WIDE SURVEY AND FOCUS GROUPS, SO WE COULD BETTER UNDERSTAND BARRIERS THAT RESIDENTS FACE TO RECYCLING CORRECTLY, AND WHAT TYPES OF EDUCATION AND OUTREACH MATERIALS WOULD BE HELPFUL. THESE INITIATIVES PROVE TO BE INCREDIBLY VALUABLE IN PROVIDING INSIGHTS TO WHAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR RESIDENTS, AND WE USE THIS TO INFORM THE COMMUNICATION PLAN THAT I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. THE FINAL PHASE OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE TO MEASURE OUR SUCCESS BY LOOKING AT CONTAMINATION DATA, PRE OUTREACH CAMPAIGN, AND THEN POST OUTREACH CAMPAIGN. SO THIS BRINGS ME TO THE COMMUNICATION PLAN THAT I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT. FOR THE MOST PART OF THE PRESENTATION. THERE ARE SEVERAL LAYERS OF OUTREACH EMBEDDED INTO THIS COMMUNICATION PLAN. 
          AND THE FIRST WILL BE TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM ON SHARING THE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THIS UPCOMING OUTREACH AND EDUCATION CAMPAIGN THAT WE PLAN TO DO OVER THE COURSE OF THREE MONTHS, WHERE RESIDENTS WILL BE RECEIVING EDUCATIONAL MAILERS AND TIPS ON HOW TO RECYCLE CORRECTLY. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'LL BE PLANNING TO SEND TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD IS THIS MAGNET MAGNET INFO CARD MAILER. SO THIS WAS A HIT DURING OUR FOCUS GROUPS. RESIDENTS LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING A MAILER THAT THEY COULD AN INFO CARD MAGNET THAT THEY COULD STICK ONTO THEIR FRIDGE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY HOUSEHOLD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE ONE. NOW, AFTER RECEIVING A MAILER LIKE THIS, IF WE CONTINUE TO OBSERVE CONTAMINATION IN RESIDENTS RECYCLING CARTS, THEY MAY BE RECEIVING FEEDBACK MAILER IN 
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THEIR HOUSEHOLDS. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A FEEDBACK MAILER COULD LOOK LIKE. SO FOR FOUR WEEKS, THEY MIGHT RECEIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE A MAILER. IF CONTAMINATION IS FOUND IN THEIR RECYCLING CART. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS AN EDUCATIONAL MAILER. 
          THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR RECEIVING A MAILER LIKE THIS. IT'S SIMPLY A FRIENDLY, EDUCATIONAL REMINDER OF, HEY, THIS DOES NOT BELONG IN YOUR RECYCLING BIN. I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE SO WE CAN TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT THE POSTCARD. IN A LARGER SCALE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE LANGUAGE TO THE LEFT IS VERY FRIENDLY. HEY, WHEN WE EMPTIED YOUR RECYCLING CARTS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR TEAM NOTICED THESE UNACCEPTABLE ITEMS UNDERNEATH, WE'LL LIST THE CONTAMINATION THAT WE DISCOVERED USING THE SMART TREK TECHNOLOGY. IT COULD BE A PLASTIC BAGS, IT COULD BE YARD WASTE THAT'LL BE LISTED IN THAT WHITE SPACE UNDERNEATH. WE HAVE LANGUAGE ON CAMERA DATA AND WHAT IT'S THERE FOR. SO CAMERA DATA HELPS IMPROVE RECYCLING PROGRAM. BUT IT ALSO PLAYS A MAJOR PART IN SAFETY BY INCREASING VISIBILITY TO REDUCE COLLISIONS AND DETECT ANY POTENTIALLY BATTERY RELATED FIRES EARLY USING ADVANCED SENSORS. BATTERY FIRES ARE VERY BIG IN THE SOLID WASTE WORLD, AND SO A SAFETY CONSIDERATION REALLY WANT TO MAKE. UNDERNEATH THIS LANGUAGE. WE HAVE A STATEMENT ABOUT HOW RESIDENTS ARE ALSO WELCOME TO OPT OUT OF RECEIVING THIS TIPS IF THEY SO CHOOSE, AND THEY'RE WELCOME TO CALL US AT THE NUMBER LISTED IN ORDER TO DO SO. UNDERNEATH YOU'LL SEE THE SPANISH TRANSLATION AND THEN OVER TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE MORE POINTERS THAT WE ARE PROVIDING TO RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT TO KEEP OUT OF THEIR RECYCLING BIN. THIS NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE BACK OF WHAT THAT POSTCARD WILL LOOK LIKE. AGAIN, JUST A FRIENDLY HEY, I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A RECYCLING TIPS TO HELP IMPROVE OUR RECYCLING AS A COMMUNITY. NOW, IF AFTER THE FIRST MONTH WE'RE STILL SEEING CONTAMINATION, THE SECOND PHASE OF OUTREACH IS TO PROVIDE MORE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK TO OUR RESIDENTS. SO AFTER HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE A MONTH LONG FEEDBACK OF DIFFERENT GENERIC ICONS THAT THEY MIGHT RECEIVE, THEY CAN GET THIS POSTCARD THAT WILL GIVE THEM MORE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS POSTCARD ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONE, BUT THE GUIDELINES ARE JUST A BIT MORE SPECIFIC. THE OTHER THING I'LL WANT TO NOTE HERE IS THAT THE IMAGE IN THIS SLIDE IS VERY BLURRY, AND THE ACTUAL POSTCARD, IT WILL NOT BE THAT WAY. THE PICTURE JUST DIDN'T SCALE VERY NICELY ON ON POWERPOINT, BUT THE CONTAMINATED ITEM WILL BE DISPLAYED VERY CLEARLY WHILE THE SURROUNDING BACKGROUND WILL BE BLURRY IN THIS SPECIFIC POSTCARD. NOW, THE STRATEGY BEHIND THESE TWO POSTCARDS IS VERY INTENTIONAL. THE FIRST POSTCARD THAT WE'LL BE SENDING OUT FOR THE FIRST MONTH CREATES A SENSE OF COMMUNITY ACCOUNTABILITY, RIGHT? HEY, WE FOUND THIS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD RECYCLING CARTS. LET'S RECYCLE BETTER AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS POSTCARD IS ALSO GREAT FOR LOW CONFIDENCE DATA. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ARE RECEIVING INFORMATION ON CONTAMINATION AT A RECYCLING CART, THAT THAT DATA HAS HIGH CONFIDENCE. IF NOT, RESIDENTS WOULD RECEIVE A GENERIC FRIENDLY REMINDER TIP. THE ONE THING I WILL NOTE IS THAT THESE GENERIC POSTCARDS WITH THE ICONS ARE A LITTLE LESS EFFECTIVE TO REDUCING CONTAMINATION, ACCORDING TO A RECYCLING PARTNERSHIP STUDY THAT THEY DID IN WASHINGTON. AND JUST FROM A PERSONAL LENS, THAT MAKES SENSE AS WELL. WHEN YOU RECEIVE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK PERSONALLY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING CONCRETE TO TAKE ACTIONABLE STEPS TOWARDS. BUT WHEN SOMETHING IS A BIT MORE VAGUE IN GENERAL, IT'S HARDER TO TAKE THAT SAME STEP. AND THIS KIND OF TRANSLATES RIGHT INTO THAT NEXT DATA POINT THAT I'LL SHARE IS THAT THE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK MAILERS, ACCORDING TO TRP STUDIES, HAVE BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING CONTAMINATION UP TO 51%. WE ALSO LIKE THE STRATEGY OF THESE TWO POSTCARDS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR COMPARISON OF BEHAVIOR CHANGE. BETWEEN THE TWO APPROACHES, WE CAN SEE WHICH ONE WAS MORE EFFECTIVE AT REDUCING BEHAVIOR. FOR EXAMPLE, DURING THE FIRST MONTH, IF MOST RESIDENTS, IF THEY RECEIVE THE FIRST POSTCARD, IF THEY SELF-CORRECT THEIR BEHAVIOR, AWESOME. THEY MIGHT NEVER RECEIVE A POSTCARD TOWARDS THE SECOND PART OF THE OUTREACH THAT HAS MORE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK. 
          BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T NEED IT. THEY UNDERSTOOD THE RECYCLING TIP AT THE FIRST WAVE OF OUTREACH. NOW, THE THIRD POINT HERE TO CONSIDER IS THAT THE RECYCLING PARTNERSHIP SAW THAT IN SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES THEY IMPLEMENTED THIS PROGRAM, IT MAY STOP. IT MAY HAVE RESIDENTS STOP RECYCLING ALTOGETHER AFTER RECEIVING A SPECIFIC FEEDBACK. HOWEVER, THIS NUMBER WAS 3% AT MOST, SO IT WAS NOT A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS THAT STOPPED RECYCLING. AND THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER HERE IS THAT WHILE THE GOAL IS TO RETAIN PARTICIPATION IN RECYCLING, ULTIMATELY THOSE THAT WERE PULLING OUT HAD HIGH CONTAMINATION IN THEIR RECYCLING BINS. SO OVERALL, OF IMPROVING RECYCLING QUALITY AND REDUCING CONTAMINATION. SO 
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WE TOOK ALL OF THIS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN CREATING THIS STRATEGY. I'LL WRAP UP WITH THE FINAL PIECE OF OUR COMMUNICATION PLAN, WHICH IS TO EQUIP CITY STAFF AND LEADERSHIP TEAM WITH THE PROJECT. ONE PAGER. SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT I'M HOLDING HERE. SO THAT STAFF AND CITY LEADERSHIP ARE EQUIPPED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT RESIDENTS MAY HAVE OF THIS EXCITING PROJECT. WE, OF COURSE, ENCOURAGE ANY QUESTIONS TO BE DIRECTED TO OUR TEAM AS WE LOVE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT. IT'S VERY INNOVATIVE. WE'RE ONE OF THE FIRST COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS GETTING TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THIS REALLY COOL TECHNOLOGY, AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF SISTER CITIES REACH OUT TO ME SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN MCKINNEY AND WE'D LOVE TO DO THE SAME. SO KEEP US POSTED. SO IT'S REALLY NICE TO BE KIND OF LEADING THOSE EFFORTS ON THAT FRONT. ADDITIONALLY, WE AS CITY STAFF WILL BE DOCUMENTING CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH RESIDENTS WHO MIGHT CALL US JUST TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE USEFULNESS OF THE OUTREACH AND EDUCATION MATERIALS HERE AND CONTINUE TO ADJUST OUR PROGRAM ACCORDINGLY. SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO BE HONEST HERE AT MY TEN MINUTES, I WILL GO AHEAD AND WRAP UP MY UPDATE AND JUST THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND ALSO FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. PERSONALLY, IT'S BEEN VERY EXCITING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH A COMPANY THAT HAS THIS REALLY INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL ALLOW US TO GET DATA SO THAT WE CAN BETTER CONDUCT OUR OUTREACH AND EDUCATION TO MAKE MEASURABLE DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND REDUCE RECYCLING CONTAMINATION. SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CAN I JUST ADD ON TO SUJATA'S GREAT PRESENTATION. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THIS. IF YOU RECALL, WE PART OF OUR STRATEGY BY GOING SWITCHING HAULERS, IF YOU WILL, FOR GARBAGE AS WELL AS OUR RECYCLING PROVIDER, IS THAT THEY ARE BETTER PARTNERS. THEY'LL THEY'LL BE HELPFUL TO US IN ADOPTING SOME SMART CITIES TECHNOLOGY. QUITE FRANKLY, THE CAMERA TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO GATHER DATA AND THE TOOLS TO BE SMARTER AND USE THAT DATA TO NUDGE, ENCOURAGE, ENCOURAGE VERY GENTLY. WE CALL THAT NUDGING. THERE'S ACTUALLY A GREAT BOOK THAT YOU CAN BUY CALLED NUDGE, AND IT'S ABOUT CHOICE ARCHITECTURE AND COMING UP WITH WAYS TO TRY TO GET FOLKS TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR, HOPEFULLY IN A POSITIVE WAY. AND THIS IS ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND OF COURSE, WE NEED FOLKS LIKE SUJATA TO BE ABLE TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER. 
          AND SO THAT IS. BUT JUST KNOW YOU WILL GET SOME FOLKS THAT WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT WON'T, WILL NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF A CAMERA IDENTIFYING CONTAMINATION IN THE RECYCLING. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THEM. IT'S THAT 3% OR LESS. THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S WIDESPREAD. IT'S PROBABLY ACTUALLY A VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. BUT WE WILL GET SOME OF THAT. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT. BUT WE DO HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF RECYCLING IN THE COMMUNITY AND INCREASING OUR DIVERSION RATE. AND PART OF THAT IS BY LOWERING OUR CONTAMINATION RATE, BECAUSE IF IT'S CONTAMINATED, IT'S GOING INTO LANDFILL, AND THAT HITS OUR BOTTOM LINE AS WELL. SO ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT TO THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION. SO LET ME BRING SOMETHING HOME, MR. GRIMES AND SUJATA, THAT WHEN WE GET UNCONTAMINATED RECYCLING THAT IS ACCRETIVE TO THE BOTTOM LINE OF OUR WASTE. IN OTHER WORDS, CIRCULAR SERVICES CAN SELL THE CARDBOARD AND THE PETROLEUM BASED PLASTICS AND THIS AND THAT MAKE MONEY. AND THAT MAKES OUR WASTE BILL SMALLER IF THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OFF OUR RECYCLING. IS THAT FAIR? YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT'S FAIR. IT ALLOWS US TO KEEP PRICES COMPETITIVE. RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THOUGH IS LADLING ON AN EXPENSE. AND THAT EXPENSE IS GOING TO BE THAT IF YOU HAVE CONTAMINANTS IN YOUR RECYCLING, THEY'RE PROBABLY CONTAMINATING NOT ONLY YOURS, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THAT TRUCK OR A LOT OF THE REST OF IT. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO SEND YOU A POSTCARD TO SAY, WE SEE THIS. WE'RE ASKING YOU TO BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR, MORE OR LESS, AND NOT PUT CONTAMINANTS IN YOUR RECYCLING. AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE COST OF THIS POSTCARD WILL BE OUTWEIGHED BY THE BENEFIT THAT WE'RE GETTING OF PEOPLE NOT CONTAMINATING THEIR RECYCLING. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? SO, COUNCILMEMBER, TO YOUR POINT, WE ACTUALLY NOT EVEN PAYING FOR THE POSTCARD. IT'S ALL GRANT FUNDED. OH, IT IS GRANT FUNDED. SO ALL THESE ALL. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE WERE SO THRILLED BY THIS GENEROUS GRANT. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE THAT I MISSED. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE? SUJATA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FOR YOUR REPORT AND WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM WILL BE COUNCIL LIAISON UPDATES. DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES? ANYONE? NO. WE'VE BEEN WE DO HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          WE. YES. YOU AND I GOT TO GO. WE'LL BE BACK. YEAH. WE DO HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION. FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE FOR THE FIRST MEETING, GIVE US JUST A BRIEF BIT TO RUN THROUGH THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          [EXECUTIVE SESSION]
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AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK FOR OUR FIRST MEETING. SO WITH THAT IN IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.0712551.071 A AND 551.072. WE WILL ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT REGULAR MEETING? YES. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR. I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CLOUTIER TO ADJOURN OUR WORK SESSION. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN LYNCH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. 
          OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. IT IS 540. WE ADJOURNED OUR WORK
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