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A QUORUM. YEAH. GO SIT DOWN THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE MINUTES. READ THE SCRIPT.
[CALL TO ORDER]
GOOD EVENING. IT'S 532. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF JULY 2ND, 2026. THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSTED BY THE AUDIENCE POSED BY THE AUDIENCE.
CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED UPON TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES. BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND AVOID OVERTALKING THE ISSUE. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR
[CONSENT ITEMS]
NONPUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS? WE DO NOT. SO WE WILL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO THE FIRST PART UP IS ITEM NUMBER 26-06. 22 MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING. JULY FROM JUNE 4TH, 2026. TRUST. YOU ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THOSE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVE. MOVED BY MR. WEST. I'LL SECOND IT. SECOND BY MRS. PETKOVSEK. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS. I'M NOT FUNCTIONING HERE. I VOTE YES, I'M NOT FUNCTIONING SO WELL EITHER. BUT YOURS IS ELECTRONIC. MINE'S PHYSICAL. GOT IT. IT WORKED. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M GETTING UP TO HELP. IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN HELP. ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM HAS BEEN[HP2025-0014 Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Dan Perkins for Approval of a Rehabilitation Level Historic Neighborhood Improvement Zone Program Tax Exemption (Level II) for the Property Located at 523 W Hunt Street]
APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE, SO NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. FIRST UP ON THE REGULAR AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER HP2025-0014. CONSIDER, DISCUSS ACT ON REQUEST BY DAN PERKINS FOR APPROVAL OF A REHABILITATION LEVEL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT ZONE PROGRAM TAX EXEMPTION LEVEL TWO FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 523 WEST HUNT STREET, REINA WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. GOOD EVENING. SO YES, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT FOR LEVEL TWO. MR. PERKINS IS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING. HERE WE GO. TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE HOUSE. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1885, AND THE QUEEN ANNE STYLE ITS TIMBER FRAME WITH PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION. AND IT IS A HIGH PRIORITY HOUSE. HIGH PRIORITY MEANS THAT IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS, AND IS AN OUTSTANDING OR UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING OR CRAFTED DESIGN, AND RETAINS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER. SO FOR THIS ONE, THE CRITERIA FOR LEVEL TWO REHABILITATION INCENTIVE ARE AS FOLLOWS. MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $10,000 IN BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE RECEIPT OF THE LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY. THE LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY WAS ISSUED IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, AND HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE POOR PORCH, AND THEN A LIST OF THE REPAIRS THAT WERE MADE. SO PORCH REPAIR, ROOF REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE AND THEN DUCTWORK REPLACEMENT. AND STAFF. IT WAS $17,195 TOTAL. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNER AND ARE AWARE THAT THE TIMING OF THE WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH LEVEL TWO CRITERIA, AND IT DOES EXCEED THE SCOPE OF THE LETTER OF ELIGIBILITY. HOWEVER, THE WORK WAS ONGOING THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PERIOD AND IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENT. ALL THE WORK DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CONDITIONS, AND WE FEEL THAT IT WAS A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS. IT DOES CARRY A 50% EXEMPTION FOR THE CITY AD VALOREM TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS, AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. UNDER THE CURRENT PROGRAM, STAFF ESTIMATES THAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF AD VALOREM TAXES THE FOREGONE IS APPROXIMATELY $319,957. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. SO. THAT'S TOTAL FOR ALL PROJECTS IN MCKINNEY. OKAY. I THOUGHT FOR JUST FOR THIS ONE, I WAS GOING TO GO, I GOT $10,000. THIS IS THE TOTAL FOR ALL OF THE INCENTIVE[00:05:01]
PROGRAMS, ALL OF THE CURRENT ACTIVE INCENTIVES. WHAT WAS THE TOTAL, AGAIN, $319,957. OKAY.AND WHAT'S THE MAX THAT WE. 500,500 OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR REINA? THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT IS. IT'S JUST JUST A BLOCK OR NOT EVEN A BLOCK AWAY FROM ME. NO. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR REINA TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR SOMETHING, FOR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. I SECOND YOU APPROVE. YES. OKAY, I SECOND. OKAY. IT'S HARD TO HEAR. AM I DOING A MOTION OR AM I? MICROPHONE'S NOT EVEN AFFECTED FOR MY VOICE.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY JAMES, A SECOND BY LISA. AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. LET'S SEE. AS FOR APPROVAL OF THE LEVEL TWO FUNDING. ALL
[HP2026-0064 Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Christian Morriss for Approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness for a Monument Sign for the Property Located at 105 N Benge Street]
RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST IS ITEM NUMBER HP20260064. CONSIDER, DISCUSS, ACT ON A REQUEST BY OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A MONUMENT SIGN FOR THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.THE PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 105 NORTH BEND STREET AND ONCE AGAIN, REYNA WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. TONIGHT I'M BRINGING FORWARD A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST TO INSTALL A MONUMENT SIGN ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 105 NORTH BEND STREET. THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS STRUCTURE. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1925. IT IS A HIGH PRIORITY LEVEL AND IT'S IN THE TUDOR REVIVAL STYLE. AGAIN, HIGH PRIORITY MEANS THAT IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS, AND IS AN OUTSTANDING OR UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING OR CRAFTED DESIGNS AND RETAINS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER. SO THIS ONE IS THE SCHEMATICS FOR THE SIGN, AND THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE PD REQUIREMENTS OF WHERE IT CAN BE PLACED AND THE SIZES THAT IT CAN BE, WHICH ARE LISTED RIGHT HERE, INCLUDING THE SETBACKS. AND THEN HERE IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY. IT WILL BE DETACHED FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE. IT DOES MEET THE SETBACK AND SIZE REQUIREMENTS. HERE WE GO. SO STAFF HAS EVALUATED THIS AND FOUND THAT IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS. MOST REQUESTS FOR SIGNS ARE REVIEWED AT THE STAFF LEVEL. HOWEVER, THE PD REQUIRES THAT THIS PARTICULAR ONE COMES BEFORE THE HFPA BOARD AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. YOU SAID THE SETBACK HAS TO BE ONE OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. I THINK TEN FEET. LET ME SEE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO BACK. TEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. SO LOOKING AT THE DRAWING, IS IT NOT SIX FEET FROM THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE? AM I READING THAT WRONG? I THINK IT'S OKAY WHERE IT'S AT BECAUSE OF THE TRIANGLE. BECAUSE IT HAS TO HAVE THAT TRIANGLE OF VISIBILITY, RIGHT? SO THE FURTHER SETBACK WOULD BE SIX FEET. I MEAN TEN FEET.
THAT'S CONFUSING TO ME. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE. DOES IT HAVE TO BE TEN FEET FROM A PROPERTY LINE FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES. I THINK JUST FROM THE FROM THAT CORNER. FROM THE TRIANGLE. YEAH.
TEN FEET. IT SHOULD BE OKAY. IT'S VERY CONFUSING. I KNOW, I KNOW, I DON'T MAKE THE RULES.
DO YOU NOT WRITE THE ORDINANCES? NOT THIS ONE. KATHY. THAT'S CORRECT. NOT THAT I DOUBT REINA, BUT THAT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL THAT IT'S TEN FEET FROM THE TRIANGLE. YEAH. I CAN LOOK UP THE PD RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S POSITIONED.
ME TOO. IS IT. IS IT? IT'S CATTY CORNERED. IT'S OKAY. SO IT'S LIKE IT'S IN THE SHAPE OF THE TRIANGLE. NO, IT'S JUST THE SQUARE OR RECTANGLE. LET'S SEE IF I CAN. IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS IT? I'M SORRY, I DID NOT EXPLAIN MYSELF. WELL, IS IT SITUATED WITHIN THE TRIANGLE? NO, NO. ON THAT PICTURE THAT SHE SHOWED THE GRAPHIC, YOU CAN
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SEE IT POINTED THERE IN RED. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE TRIANGLE IS ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE RECTANGLE THERE. GOT IT. SIX FEET FROM THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND WELL, MORE THAN THAT FROM THE OKAY EAST PROPERTY LINE. GOT IT. I COULD ACTUALLY DRAW PICTURES WITH THIS, CAN I? I'M NOT GOING TO. BUT IT WILL BE AT AN ANGLE SO YOU CAN SEE IT GOING DOWN. VIRGINIA AND AND AND BINGE NOT GOING TO BE AN ANGLE. IT'S GOING TO BE RUNNING STRAIGHT RUNNING NORTH SOUTH ACCORDING TO THE DRAWING. OKAY.NO IT'S CONFUSING. YEAH. SO I DID PULL UP THE PD AND IT DOES SAY THAT IT SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TEN FEET BEHIND ANY PROPERTY LINE. SO. A SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU COULD APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT MEETS. THAT IS TEN FEET BACK FROM BOTH PROPERTY LINES. OKAY. A MINIMUM OF. SO THAT WOULD BE IF. YEAH. JAMES. IT APPEARS THE BRICK MATCHES THE HOUSE BRICK AND THE GROUT COLOR. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT CONCERN. THAT'S EXCELLENT. SO I JUST WANT TO AVOID THEM HAVING TO MOVE IT. OKAY. SO IF THAT'S CONFIRMED THAT IT HAS TO BE TEN FEET. AND RIGHT NOW AS SHOWN IT'S ONLY SIX FEET, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THAT AMENDED. AND IF WE GRANT APPROVAL, IT WOULD BE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL BASED ON A REVISION OF THE LOCATION OF IT. THAT'S THE WAY IT STRIKES ME. OKAY, IF I MISSPOKEN ON THIS, YOU GUYS UNDERSTANDING THIS THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND. YES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE WE HAVE HIM HERE. YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I HAVE A COMMENT ON IT. IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. WE ACTUALLY THE FIRST SIGN THAT WE SUBMITTED, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE THE INDIVIDUAL PD FOR THIS PROPERTY PROPERTY HAS ITS OWN PD WHICH I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED BEFORE. BUT WHEN WE GOT WHEN REINA SENT US THAT THAT WE AMENDED THE SIGN SIZE, WE KEPT IT IN THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION FROM BINGE STREET AND MOVED IT SOMEWHAT OFF OF VIRGINIA. THERE'S A. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WROUGHT IRON FENCE AND ALL THE ALL THE ALL THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE FRONT FACING VINEYARD. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT SOMEPLACE VISIBLE. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S NOW MUCH SMALLER THAN IT ORIGINALLY WAS.
AND SO WE COULD PROBABLY IN ORDER, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT SIDEWALK IS LOCATED ON THERE.
WE CAN PROBABLY PUSH IT BACK, WHICH WOULD STILL BE WITHIN THE ZONING, AND THEN MOVE IT OVER EVEN FURTHER TO GET IT WITHIN THAT. YEAH. WELL, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE FULL PURPOSE OF THE SIGN. YEAH. BUT I DON'T ALSO DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR THIS TYPE OF THING WITHOUT GOOD REASON. I UNDERSTAND THE OWNER HAS NO INTENTION OF HE'S HAPPY TO STAY WITHIN THE STATE. AND. OKAY, OKAY. NOW I GET YOU. YES. SO WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A BRICK THAT WAS A VERY, VERY EXCELLENT, VERY FINE. THAT'S GREAT. WELL, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT TYPE OF DETAIL. ALL RIGHT. WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YES. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SIGN BE LOCATED AT LEAST TEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY, I'LL SECOND, SIR. SECOND, BETTY IS A SECOND. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS. ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. THAT ENDS THE. CONSENT AGENDA. I'M SORRY, THE REGULAR AGENDA. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT
[PUBLIC COMMENTS Regarding Matters not on the Agenda]
SECTION. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, LIKE FROM COUNCILMAN THAT'S PRESENT. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. WE APPRECIATE IT. DO WE? ARE WE STRAIGHTENED OUT? IS IT BOTH YOU AND RICK OR YOU? THE VIEWING AUDIENCE? I'LL APPROACH THE MIC. PATRICK. CITY COUNCIL. RICK IS NOT HERE, AND HIS ABSENCE IS NOTED AND WILL BE[00:15:04]
REFLECTED IN HIS COMPENSATION. WILL YOU GUYS MADE HIM PRO TEM. I KNOW IT'S A BIG HEAD. I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE AS TO WHAT'S A FEW THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. THE THING ON MY MIND AND YOU CAN ASK ME WHATEVER YOU WANT, IS THE PROPOSED PARKING GARAGE THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN OF DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE CITY HALL GOING AWAY IN THE OLD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES GOING AWAY. WE THOUGHT WE HAD SETTLED ON THE LOT NORTH OF HARVEST, BUT BOY, I THINK THAT'S IN THIRD PLACE RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE'VE INSTRUCTED STAFF TO DO IS TO TALK TO WHAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET. ARE WE FIRMLY BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO GET IS AN OFFICE BUILDING WHERE CITY HALL CURRENTLY SITS, THE OLD CITY HALL. AND SO WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM WHAT WORKS FOR THEM. AND WE ALSO HAVE ASPIRATIONS TO GET A HOTEL DOWN THERE. SO WE'VE ASKED EDC TO, YOU KNOW, FIND US AN INTERESTED PARTY TO HELP WITH THAT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET A PARKING GARAGE THAT WILL BE GEOGRAPHICALLY CONVENIENT AND WORK FOR BOTH OF THOSE, AND ALSO HAVE THE NUMBER OF SPOTS FOR BOTH OF THOSE AND FOR THE LIBRARY AS WELL. YEAH. AND SO WE'VE KIND OF BACKED UP A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. I'M NOT SURE WHEN WE'LL GET AN ANSWER, BUT YOU KNOW, BOY, THOSE THOSE PARKING GARAGES ARE EXPENSIVE.AND I MADE A REMARK IN COUNCIL THAT MY FIRST HOME THAT I BOUGHT, I'M DATING MYSELF, BUT WAS 67,500. AND ONE OF THE PROPOSALS WE HAVE IS 7000 PER SPOT. WOW. YEAH. AND YOU CAN EVEN GET A KING SIZE BED IN THAT SPOT. OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE Y'ALL HAVE, MR. WEST. YES, SIR. KNOWING THE STATUS OF FOOD SERVICES IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY WERE WELL SUPPLIED. YET WITH GROCERY STORES, EAST MCKINNEY AND DOWNTOWN AREA ENTIRELY HAVE NO GROCERY STORES WITHIN EASY REACH. YEARS AGO IN THE DARK AGES, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP HERE, WE HAD FIVE GROCERY STORES DOWNTOWN. NOW THERE ARE NONE. IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING ANY KIND OF DEED RESTRICTION ON SOME OF THIS LAND IN THAT THEY COULD ATTRACT SOMEONE LIKE A TRADER JOE'S OR SOMETHING DOWN HERE TO? IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FOOD DESERT DOWN HERE. AND WHEN IT COMES TO GROCERIES. YES, SIR. AND THIS HAS BEEN A BURN MY SADDLE FOR MUCH LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL. SO LET ME ANSWER THAT IN THE MOST CONCISE, BEST WAY THAT I CAN. THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE A GROCERY STORE, I THINK IF I HAD TO ITEMIZE. ONE REASON IS WE DON'T HAVE A DENSITY OF POPULATION DOWN HERE THAT, IN ESSENCE DEMANDS IT. NOW, WE DO HAVE FOLKS THAT GO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GO, BUT I THINK THAT THE WINCO AND THE SAM'S AND WALMART ARE PRETTY POPULAR. BUT THAT KROGER OVER THERE IS SHUT DOWN IS BECOMING A CRUNCH FITNESS. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, AND CERTAINLY ONE OF THE REASONS I VOTED TO APPROVE THE RATHER DENSE HOUSING ON THE SOUTH. 40 AT THE COTTON MILL WHERE THE TENEMENT HOUSING USED TO BE, WAS SO THAT WE COULD GET AN ECONOMICALLY ACTIVATE SOME DENSITY HERE TO ATTRACT A GROCER. SURE. SO WE ARE WE HAVE CHARGED STAFF TO DO KIND OF A STUDY OF HIGHWAY FIVE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH SPUR 399 COMING IN ON THE OTHER EAST SIDE OF OUR AIRPORT. WE ARE GOING TO SLOW DOWN THINGS ON HIGHWAY FIVE. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN MORE STOPLIGHTS ON HIGHWAY FIVE. AND SO I THINK IF WE IF YOU IF YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE EXISTING BUSINESSES ON FIVE AND SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'D SAY, THESE THINGS AREN'T GOING TO LAST AND NOR SHOULD THEY LAST. I DON'T WANT TO CALL ANYBODY OUT, BUT THERE'S SOME BUSINESSES THERE THAT JUST LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ON THEIR LAST LEGS, MAYBE ESPECIALLY IF THE LAND BECOMES MORE VALUABLE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING THERE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BELLER HAS ON HIS MIND. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN A BURDEN MY SADDLE FOR 13 YEARS. THANK YOU. HOPE THAT HELPS. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK SO. ANYBODY ELSE? QUESTIONS FOR OUR CAPTIVE AUDIENCE? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ONE QUESTION. YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, I THINK WHEN DID WE START THAT, PATRICK? WAS THAT IN THE END OF 2023? IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO, I THINK. OKAY, SO HOW MANY GRAY HAIR BACK THEN? ANYWAY? WE HAVE A FILM OF THAT. SO AND WE HAD WE HAD THOSE MEETINGS AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO DO I UNDERSTAND THAT? SO IS IT MICHAEL KOSKI THAT IS THAT HIS CHARGE TO GO OUT? AND IF SO, WHICH I THINK HE'S WONDERFUL, BUT HAS HE HAS HE SEEN DOES HE KNOW ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH AT THAT VERY AT THE VERY BEGINNING OR. I MEAN, HOW DO YOU USE. BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS. I KNOW MICHAEL QUINT PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO IT. AND SO HOW DO YOU ARE YOU USING WHAT WE DID DURING THAT TIME TO KIND OF OR WHAT IS THAT? WE HAD A POTENTIAL PARTNER. WE WERE DATING M2 G, WHICH ARE SOME VERY TALENTED, VERY SMART PEOPLE OUT OF FORT WORTH. ULTIMATELY, THEY CAME TO
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US WITH A PLAN, AND THEIR PLAN WAS, IN SHORT, KIND OF A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT PLAN. AND WHAT THE PLAN INCLUDED WAS THE OFFICE, IT WAS THE HOTEL. AND IT WAS ALSO A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY AND WHAT THEY WANTED ON MULTI A, I DIDN'T REALLY WANT THE MULTIFAMILY I'M SPEAKING TO ME, BUT SOME OTHER COUNCIL PEOPLE WERE OKAY WITH IT. BUT WHAT NONE OF US WERE OKAY WITH WAS THEY WANTED SUBSIDIES FOR THE MULTIFAMILY. WE JUST DON'T DO THAT HERE IN MCKINNEY. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE A MARKET BASED MULTIFAMILY COME UP, IT'S NOT THERE'S NO TAXPAYER PAYER MONEY INVOLVED IN THAT. SO THAT MADE US A NO. AND SO WE, WE SPLIT UP WITH M2 G. THE LESSON I THINK WE LEARNED FROM THAT WAS THAT WE WANTED TO PIECEMEAL THIS DEVELOPMENT, NOT INCORPORATE A OVERLAY PARTNER LIKE M2 G THAT WAS GOING TO, BY NECESSITY, SIPHON SOME MONEY OFF THE TOP. AND SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS TO LEAD WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, NEW WATER AND SEWER AND, AND STUFF AROUND HUNT STREET AND LAMAR AND ALL THAT. AND, AND THEN THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IS THE OFFICE. AND CANDIDLY, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO LEAD WITH. BECAUSE WHAT I THINK OUR DOWNTOWN LACKS RIGHT NOW IS AFFLUENT DAYTIME FOOT TRAFFIC DURING THE WEEK, FOLKS THAT CAN SPEND THEIR MONEY AT OUR RESTAURANTS AND OUR RESTAURANTS DO GREAT, I THINK, ON THE WEEKENDS BY AND LARGE, AND MAYBE IN THE EVENINGS, BUT THE DAYTIME DOWNTOWN FOOT TRAFFIC SINCE, YOU KNOW, MODERATE, MODESTLY PAID CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE LEFT, IS REALLY DOWN. SO WE HAVE THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND. SO WITKOWSKY HAS I'M TAKING TOO LONG TO ANSWER THIS. FORGIVE ME, BUT WHAT KOSKI HAS IS A CHARGE FROM US BECAUSE HE'S GOT A LOT OF PROSPECTS FOR OFFICE THAT DON'T WANT TO OFFICE IN, YOU KNOW, SOME GENERIC OFFICE BUILDING ON 121. THEY WANT OFFICE IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT FIRST. I THINK THE HOTEL IS ASPIRATIONAL, TO BE HONEST.WE'LL SEE IT. MAYBE MORE OFFICE THAT COMES, BUT WE'RE TAKING IT PIECE BY PIECE. AND I KNOW IT'S SLOW, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THIS. COUNCIL FEELS A LOT OF PRESSURE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE AGREE WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT, NOT GET IT DONE QUICK. AND SO I'M WILLING TO TAKE ALL THE TIME IT TAKES TO GET IT DONE. SO WE WILL HAVE MORE CITIZEN INPUT MEETINGS. WE ARE ALREADY GETTING VARIOUS CITIZENS OPINING ON THE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH.
WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR DISCUSSION BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED THE LAST TWO WORK SESSIONS, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'VE GOT ONE CHANCE TO GET IT RIGHT. WE DO. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT THE TIME THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO IT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. PATRICK. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPENDING
[BOARD AND MANAGER COMMENTS]
TIME WITH US, PATRICK. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER INPUT, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, ANYTHING? I MEAN, MEGAN'S NOT HERE TO HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING, WHICH IS KIND OF DISAPPOINTING.LET'S SEE. SO WE HAVE THE PARADE ON SATURDAY, RIGHT? 10:00 10 A.M. THE TRAFFIC IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE. YEAH. GET HERE EARLY. BUT IT'S FUN. PLENTY OF PARKING THOUGH. BY THE WAY, PATRICK. PLENTY OF PARKING FOR THAT FOR THE PARADE. YES, OUR DRIVEWAY CAN HOLD SIX CARS. EVERYBODY GOT IT. AND WE'RE CHARGING. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? GOOD. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING A MOTION. WE ADJOURN THE MEETING SECOND, I SECOND. EXCELLENT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. THE MEETING IS A UNANIMOUS VOTE. THE MEETING IS
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