Sep 03, 2026 Historic Preservation Advisory Board

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LENGTHY AGENDA TONIGHT. HURRY UP. I KNOW. GOOD EVENING. IT'S 530. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2026.

THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, AND WE SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED UPON TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE ALL TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES. BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND AVOID OVERTALKING THE ISSUE. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE NONPUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS? WE DO NOT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL

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MISS ISAAC GIVES US THE SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT. MOTION CARRIES

[HP2026-0085 Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Owner Jack Ferrell for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the Demolition of the Residential Structure Located at 803 Largent Street]

I CAN HEAR HOW SHORT I AM, BUT WE'LL WE'LL MAKE IT WORK. OKAY. THAT BETTER? THAT'S BETTER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1950 IN THE RANCH STYLE. THE 2023 HISTORIC PRESERVATION HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY CONSIDERS IT A MEDIUM PRIORITY, AND IT DOES HAVE A CONCRETE FOUNDATION. AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE PHOTOS FROM THE EARLIER SURVEYS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE HAS NOT CHANGED. AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION IS NOTICEABLY UNLEVEL SUPPORT PIERS ELEVATED SEVERAL INCHES RELATIVE TO THE PERIMETER FOOTING. THE PERIMETER FOOTING HAS SEVERAL FRACTURES. THE WOOD FLOOR FRAMING AND THE CRAWL SPACE AREA IS LARGELY COMPLETELY STRUCTURALLY COMPROMISED OR ROTTED. THE CENTER LIVING AND DINING AREAS HAS COLLAPSED AND DROPPED SEVERAL INCHES. THE SILL PLATE AROUND THE PERIMETER HAS COLLAPSED IN AREAS. WINDOW LEAKS HAVE CAUSED WOOD DAMAGE ON THE INTERIOR. MOLD AND MOISTURE DAMAGE ON THE INTERIOR ROOF HAS WOOD DECAY ON THE EXPOSED RAFTERS. A LOT OF DRAINAGE DUE TO POOR WATERSHED AND TERMITE DAMAGE AND ACTIVE INFESTATION. AND THEN HERE ARE SEVERAL PHOTOS OF THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE HOUSE. HERE ARE UNDERNEATH. BUT BASED ON THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION BASED ON THE FOLLOWING. SO STANDARD NUMBER TWO, WHICH STATES HISTORIC CHARACTER OF A PROPERTY SHALL BE RETAINED AND PRESERVED, THE REMOVAL OF HISTORIC MATERIALS OR ALTERATION OF FEATURES AND SPACES THAT CHARACTERIZE A PROPERTY SHALL BE AVOIDED. THE DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE REQUIRES THE REMOVAL OF HISTORIC MATERIALS AND DESTROYS THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY. COMPLETE DEMOLITION DOES NOT ALLOW FOR PRESERVATION OF ANY OF THE MATERIALS, FEATURES OR CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. STANDARD NUMBER FOUR, WHICH STATES THAT MOST

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DISTINCTIVE FEATURES THIS IS STANDARD NUMBER FIVE DISTINCTIVE FEATURES, FINISHES AND CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES, AND EXAMPLES OF CRAFTSMANSHIP THAT CHARACTERIZE A HISTORIC PROPERTY SHALL BE PRESERVED. DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE WOULD ELIMINATE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE PROPERTY. AS IT STANDS, THERE ARE SEVERAL CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES, SUCH AS THE INSET PORCH BETWEEN THE PRIMARY PORTION OF THE RESIDENCE AND THE ATTACHED GARAGE, THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS AND ONE OVER ONE PAIRED WINDOWS. STANDARD NUMBER SIX DETERIORATED HISTORIC FEATURES SHALL BE REPAIRED RATHER THAN REPLACED. THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED DOCUMENTATION THAT SHOWS THE RESIDENT'S NEEDS COSMETIC AND STRUCTURAL REPAIRS, BUT THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS REQUIRES THAT HISTORIC FEATURES MUST BE REPAIRED INSTEAD OF REPLACED AS PRESENTED. THE APPLICANTS PROPOSED DEMOLITION DOES NOT ATTEMPT ANY REPAIRS OF SALVAGE OR SALVAGING OF HISTORIC MATERIALS. SO THE BOARD, AND BASED ON THOSE STANDARDS AND THOSE EXPLANATIONS, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. THE BOARD DOES HAVE FOUR OPTIONS. THEY CAN APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, DENY OR ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY. AFTER THE 90 DAY DELAY, THE COA WOULD BE ISSUED. MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM, APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

GREAT. I KNOW WE HAVE THE HOMEOWNERS HERE. WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO SPEAK? YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO. SURE. YOU'RE JACK, I ASSUME I'M JACK. YEAH, JACK. IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU.

CHAIRPERSON. BOARD MEMBERS, THANKS FOR THIS. THIS EVENING, JACK FARRELL, MY WIFE CHRISTY.

WE HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS OF COLLIN COUNTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS. WE LIKE THE DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY AREA. WE EAT THERE. WE SHOP THERE. IT'S JUST A REALLY NEAT AREA. SO WHEN WE FOUND THIS OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW, WE REALLY LIKED A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE WAS THE LOCATION, THE PROXIMITY TO WALKING TO DOWNTOWN, THE FACT THAT IT HAD A DOUBLE LOT, KIND OF AN OVERSIZE LOT FOR THAT STREET. THE HOUSE NEXT TO US IS MUCH DEEPER, BUT IN GENERAL, I THOUGHT THAT SECOND LOT WAS PRETTY UNIQUE. YOU DON'T FIND THAT THROUGHOUT MCKINNEY. THE PROXIMITY TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS JUST ONE HOUSE DOWN, AND THE FACT THAT IT'S IN THE DUPLEX ZONE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF PART OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, AS FAR AS WHAT WE COULD DO DOWN THE ROAD. I MEAN, THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO DO A WHOLESALE INTERIOR REMODEL. I MEAN, WE KNEW THAT WAS COMING. WE KNEW IT HAD SOME FOUNDATION ISSUES. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT THE PLAN WAS TO POTENTIALLY BRING IN A ANOTHER BATHROOM AND BEDROOM, EITHER IN THE GARAGE OR BUILD IT OUT ABOVE IT. SO WE BOUGHT IT AS IS. SO. SO ANYWAY, SO YEAH, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT'S CHANGED FROM WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BOUGHT IT, WHICH WAS APRIL OF 25. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE FORMER OWNERS HAD LIVED THERE. WE WERE TOLD FROM THE MID 70S, THE PLAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DONE IN 1986. AND IT HAS ROGER MCFARLAND'S NAME ON IT. THAT WAS THE SELLER. SO OVER 40 YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHERE THEY WERE IN THEIR LIFE. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE HOME WAS IN SIGNIFICANT DISREPAIR. SO WE BROUGHT IN FOUNDATION GUYS TO KIND OF TELL US WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. AND THEY WERE KIND OF LIMITED WHAT THEY COULD DO BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T REALLY GET IN THE CRAWL SPACE OR THE, THE TWO EXISTING. ACCESS POINTS DID NOT ALLOW FOR MUCH VIEWING UNDER THERE. AND SO I BROUGHT ON MARK MCREYNOLDS, WHO'S BEEN ACTIVE IN THE MCKINNEY AREA, TO HELP REDESIGN THAT HOME OR POTENTIALLY ADD ON THE SECOND IN THE BACK BECAUSE IT'S IN THE

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SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORK THIS, BUT. UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE. YEAH. SO THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT YOU SEE. YOU CAN SEE MY ARTISTIC CAMERA ANGLE. YOU CAN GET THE KITCHEN IN THE BACK AND THE SUBFLOOR AND THEN UNDERNEATH. AND SO THE, THE JOISTS WHICH RUN THE LENGTH OF THE HOME HAVE A LOT OF WOOD ROT. IN FACT, THE, THE, THE, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT I HAD OUT, HE WAS POINTING OUT THE DAMAGE TO IT. IT LITERALLY JUST DISINTEGRATED IN HIS HAND WHEN HE WAS SHOWING IT TO ME. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE JOISTS ARE CRACKED, BUT THE GIRDERS, WHICH ARE THE BIG DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE TWO BY EIGHT, TWO BY TEN. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER. THERE'S TWO OF THEM. THAT'S WHAT'S CRACKED AND LAYING ON THE GROUND. SO. THAT THAT REQUIRED ME TO, TO BRING IN A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE JOYCE'S IS ON TOP OF THE GAS LINE IN THE MIDDLE THERE.

IT'S SUNK DOWN ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S PRESSURING ON BOWING DOWN ON THE GAS LINE. SO I BROUGHT STRUCTURAL ENGINEER OUT HERE. HE IN THE REPORT IS IN THE SUBMISSION. HE SAID, LOOK, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A COMPLETE REBUILD OF THE FOUNDATION FROM THE INSIDE, JUST GIVEN THAT YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS THROUGH THE CRAWL SPACE. AND THAT INCLUDES THE SILL PLATE. SO THE OUTSIDE FOOTPRINT AS WELL AS THE JOISTS AND THE GIRDERS. AND THAT WAS A MUCH LARGER PROJECT THAN WHAT WE WERE, WE WERE THINKING. SO AND THEN I ALSO HAD A TERMITE INSPECTION COME OUT HERE AND THEY FOUND, I MEAN, I, THEY LANDED ON MY HANDS WHEN I WAS TAKING THIS PICTURE. THERE WERE TWO OF THEM LAYING ON MY HAND. SO WE CERTAINLY HAVE AN INFESTATION OF TERMITES BOTH UNDER THE HOUSE. AND HE FOUND EVIDENCE THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN, IN THE WALLS AS WELL. SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE INTERNAL STRUCTURE. SO AS YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THIS HOME UP TO CODE, YOU GOT TO PUT IN A NEW ELECTRICAL, NEW PLUMBING, NEW GAS. YOU NEED TO REBUILD THE FOUNDATION THAT IT'S REALLY THE SUBFLOOR AND THE WOOD FLOOR THAT'S HOLDING THIS THE FLOOR UP. AND SO AS YOU TAKE UP THE SUBFLOOR FROM THE INSIDE TO, TO REDO THE, THE FOUNDATION, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY HAVING TO REDO ALL OF THAT. SO COUPLE THAT WITH AND THE VINYL SIDING ON THE OUTSIDE IS I DIDN'T GET GOOD PICTURES OF IT, BUT IT'S COMING APART FROM THE HOUSE ON EACH END. AND I DON'T THINK VINYL SIDING IS HISTORIC IN ITSELF ANYWAY. SO YOU'D WANT TO RECLAD THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOME. AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE CRACKED WINDOWS IN THERE, ALUMINUM WINDOWS, AND THEY'RE NOT HISTORIC EITHER. SO AND THEN THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EVIDENCE OF LEAKS AS WELL. SO WHEN YOU START REPLACING ALL THOSE SYSTEMS, I MEAN, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY REBUILDING THE HOUSE. IT IS NO LONGER A PRESERVATION BUT A RECONSTRUCTION. AND SO AS YOU LOOK AT IT OR AS WE LOOK AT IT, AN ALTERNATIVE PATH, A BETTER PATH IN OUR VIEW, IS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD HONOR THE ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND BRING THAT INTO, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INTO THE CITY. SO WE KIND OF SEE OURSELVES AS PART OF THE SOLUTION HERE. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. THAT'S GREAT. JACK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT, REINA. A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YOU SAY THAT IT'S A CONCRETE FOUNDATION, BUT IT'S REALLY ON DIRT, ISN'T IT? WITH PEERS ONLY THE CONCRETE IS UNDER THE GARAGE. OR AM I MISUNDERSTANDING? THAT'S PROBABLY CORRECT. I WAS GOING OFF OF OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY. OKAY, WHICH IS HOW IT'S LISTED. SO IN, IN THE IN THE GUIDELINES, IT TALKS ABOUT HAVING TO BE ABLE TO GET A REASONABLE RETURN ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ON DEMOLITIONS VERSUS NOT DEMOLISHING. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT LANGUAGE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? NOT SPECIFIC. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I CAN'T QUOTE IT VERBATIM. I DON'T KNOW IF KASEY CAN PULL THAT UP. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ECONOMIC. I'M JUST NOT GOING TO GIVE HER A CHANCE. THE ECONOMIC ECONOMIC HARDSHIP

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AFTER THAT CONSIDERATION FACTORS FOR DEMOLITION AND HARDSHIP PROCEDURE. TALK ABOUT INCAPABLE OF EARNING A REASONABLE RETURN. CAN IT BE ADAPTED FOR OTHER USES ETC. SO ALL OF THAT IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF APPLICATION THAT COMES AFTER THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THERE ANY THING IN THE HOUSE LIKE INTERIOR WISE, LIKE DOORS OR FIXTURES OR ANYTHING THAT CAN BE SALVAGED? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE PICTURES OF THE INSIDE, BUT THE DOORS ARE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER STANDARD DOORS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT SMALLER DOORS. THE THE HANDLES ARE, I MEAN, I GUESS HOME DEPOT TYPE HANDLES. THE FLOOR IS I WOULD GUESS IT'S TWO INCH WOOD PLANK FLOOR, RED OAK, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN HOMES TODAY. THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO TRY TO RECOVER. I WILL SAY THAT THAT ONE OF THE GC THAT CAME OUT AND HE JUST COMMENTED THERE'S A LOT OF PET STAINS ON THE WOOD. SO HE WAS UNCLEAR HOW MUCH YOU COULD ACTUALLY RECOVER. AND I MEAN, YOU CAN SEND THEM DOWN. I MEAN, SOME OF THESE FLOORS LOOK GREAT WHEN YOU'RE DONE. BUT SO HE, HE LEFT THAT, AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS YOU COULD RECOVER, BUT NOT IT'S UNCLEAR HOW MUCH. DO WE KNOW. WHY IS THIS A MEDIUM PRIORITY.

IS IT BECAUSE OF THE SIDING OR AND WAS IT A MEDIUM IN THE IN THE SURVEY BEFORE THE ONE THAT WE USE CURRENTLY. SO IN THE 2015 SURVEY, IT WAS CLASSIFIED AS A LOW PRIORITY. AND THEN IT WAS RECLASSIFIED TO A MEDIUM PRIORITY IN THE 2023 SURVEY. THE REASONS CAN BE MANY FOR THAT. THERE WERE A LOT OF HOUSES THAT CHANGED PRIORITY RATINGS UP OR DOWN IN THE 2023 SURVEY. ONE OF THE REASONS COULD BE BECAUSE DURING THE 2005 OR 2015 SURVEYS, THE. THIS TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WAS MAYBE MORE COMMON, AND IT'S LESS COMMON NOW AND AT THE TIME OF THE 2023 SURVEY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS HOW MANY EXAMPLES WE HAVE OF SUCH ARCHITECTURE. SO THERE YEAH, THERE ARE MANY. THERE ARE MANY REASONS FOR THAT. AND ALSO THE AGE AS WELL. IT WOULD HAVE RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, AGED A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE'RE TALKING OVER 70 YEARS NOW AS OPPOSED TO 60 YEARS IN THE 2015 SURVEY.

THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE I LOVE THE STYLE OF THIS HOUSE. IF YOU GO DOWN THE STREET, THESE HOUSES, THAT'S THE STYLE THAT GOES DOWN THE STREET. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I HATE LOSING THIS, THIS STYLE. I HATE LOSING THIS HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE FINDING A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU DID NOT REALIZE YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE PLACES THAT I COME FROM. CAN I, CAN I SPEAK TO THAT POINT? SURE.

SECOND, I'D LOVE. SO IN THE SURVEY AREA, THERE WERE 6258 HOMES INCLUDED IN THAT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RANCH AND THE TRANSITIONAL RANCH CATEGORY, THERE'S 863 HOMES THAT FIT THAT CATEGORY. THAT'S THAT'S ALMOST 14%. SO I UNDERSTAND IN THE RANCH STYLE, BUILT IN THE 50S, VERY PROMINENT FROM THE 50S TO THE 70S. AND THERE'S A LOT MORE KIND OF GOING WEST TOWARDS 75.

BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF RANCH HOMES WITHIN THE AREA. SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO QUANTIFY KIND OF THE POPULATION THERE. I WANT TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION ON THAT. SO THE SURVEY AREA ITSELF IS LARGER THAN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IF YOU REMEMBER, IN 2023, WE ACTUALLY SURVEYED THE ENTIRE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AREA. SO THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK YOU WENT OVER ON JOSEPHINE BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE ARE RANCH STYLE, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. EXACTLY.

SO THAT NUMBER. SO THE SURVEY AREA INCLUDES THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND IT INCLUDES THE THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AREA. SO IT DOES HAVE AN EXTENSION OF THE PERIOD,

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WE DO LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THAT TO FIND IF THERE WERE ANY PREVIOUS ATTEMPTS AT REHABILITATION. AND WE HAVE NOTHING IN OUR IN OUR FILES. NOW, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT WASN'T DONE WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE OF COURSE, THE INTERIOR DOES NOT REQUIRE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN IN OUR RECORDS. OKAY. YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL. WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH YOUR LETTER OF INTENT IN YOUR APPLICATION, YOU MENTIONED THE PURCHASE IN APRIL 2025. WHEN WERE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THE DEPTH OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU NOW HAVE? SO THE TIMELINE REALLY WENT APRIL 25TH. AND REALLY, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNISTIC PURCHASE. WE DID NOT HAVE A GRAND PLAN IN PLACE. WE HAD A CONCEPT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WE DIDN'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO. AND SO I STARTED TALKING TO BUILDERS IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY. SO, I MEAN, THERE WAS TIME THAT ELAPSED OF 2025, JANUARY OF 26. OKAY. GOTCHA.

OKAY. SO WITHIN THE YEAR AND THEN I HAVE FOUNDATION ESTIMATE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE THAT WAS IN, I THINK MID FEBRUARY. AND THEN I HIRED MARK KIND OF RIGHT IN THERE KIND OF MID FEBRUARY TIME TO, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THIS EXISTING HOUSE? AND THEN I GOT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER OUT IN APRIL, MID APRIL. AND THAT'S WHEN WE KIND OF PUT A LOT MORE EMPHASIS. WE KIND OF PIVOTED. WE WERE ALWAYS RUNNING A PARALLEL PLAN. BUT WHEN WE DISCOVERED THAT THE GARAGE WOULD NOT SUSTAIN ANY BUILD OUT, MUCH LESS A SECOND STORY, WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, IF WE WERE ABLE TO RAISE THE HOME, WHAT WOULD WE PUT THERE? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE FABRIC OF THE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO IT TOOK US A LITTLE WHILE TO KIND OF GET THAT. AND THEN THIS IS A MONTHLY CYCLE. SO. SO THERE YOU GO. THAT'S THAT'S YEAH, NO, THAT'S HELPFUL. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMELINE. SO THANK YOU. MAY I ASK A QUESTION REGARDING YOUR DESIGN, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THE PROPERTY. I KNOW THAT MANY HOUSES IN MCKINNEY HAVE BEEN RESTORED AND ADDED TO THAT'S THE HISTORY OF MCKINNEY. AND I ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE, AS HAVE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SEE HOW THOSE THINGS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR YOUR BENEFIT, AT LEAST COST AND REUSE WHAT'S USABLE. I SAW CORNER BREAKS ON THE FOUNDATION, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY OF THAT PERIOD, RESULTING FROM LACK OF REINFORCING AT CORNERS AND, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT MANY OF THE HOUSES OF THIS VINTAGE HAVE HAD, WITH LARGE LOTS HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE OUT SUCH FLOORS WHILE CREATING THE LARGER PLAN. AND I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT ANY PLANS WHICH WILL REMEDY THESE PROBLEMS BY VIRTUE OF ADDING TO THE HOUSE, CREATING LARGER CRAWL SPACE, FOR ONE THING, WOULD THEN TAKE OUT THE BACK WALL IN SOME AREAS AND THE GARAGE WALL ANYWAY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD NOT AFFORD ACCESS BY CRAWL SPACE, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY CODE. I THINK YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS AND YOU'VE COME UP WITH CONCLUSIONS THAT I'M MOST CURIOUS TO FOLLOW UP AND SEE HOW YOU THINK YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT. LIKE OTHERS, I'M RELUCTANT TO SEE DEMOLITION FOR YOUR BENEFIT BECAUSE USUALLY IT INVOLVES A AN INVESTMENT WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY MADE IN THE STRUCTURE AND IN WHATEVER SHAPE IT'S IN. I'VE SEEN MANY HOUSES WHICH WERE WERE SHAPED THAT HAVE BEEN RECLAIMED. I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU A HARD TIME. I'M JUST SAYING, AS YOU LOOK

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AND, AND SO WE, WE DID DO A DEVELOPMENT ON A SOMEWHAT OF AN ADDITION, AN INTERIOR REMODEL WOULDN'T BE TOO EXTENSIVE. BUT THEN AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS IS WHEN HE DISCOVERED THE, THE SEVERITY OF THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH THE HOUSE. SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M GOING TO TOTALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT BUT WITH THAT, WE SORT OF PIVOTED AND WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH OTHER IDEAS ON, ON HOW TO REUSE THE HOUSE. RIGHT. AND BECAUSE OF, OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS SAYING, WELL, YOU CAN'T EVEN PUT ANYTHING ON, YOU CAN'T CREATE A SECOND FLOOR. IT'S A SMALL HOUSE. SO YOU CAN'T REALLY CREATE A SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE THE FIRST FLOOR, THE STRUCTURE WON'T SUPPORT IT WHATSOEVER.

OKAY, SO WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE US WITH? IT LEAVES US WITH GOING OUT A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE GOT THE FEEDBACK THAT, THAT IT WAS SO STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND. WE KNEW THAT THERE, I KNEW THAT THERE WERE ISSUES YOU COULD, YOU COULD WALK THROUGH AND YOU COULD TELL THAT. BUT THEN WHEN JACK GOT C S OUT TO LOOK AT IT AND THE, THE, THE FLOOR FRAMING WAS CRUSHED AND FALLING APART. IT WAS. THAT'S WHEN THE PIVOT POINT CAME IN. WELL, WHAT CAN WE TRY TO DO? SO WE WE'VE, WE'VE GONE A FEW ROUTES WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO DEVELOP. WELL, WHAT IF WE DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, JUST A ONE STORY PLAN KEEPING WITH THE SAME TYPE OF, OF LOOK AND EVERYTHING, OR A TWO STORY PLAN THAT MAYBE TAKES A SMALLER FOOTPRINT ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF. BUT WITH THE. THE INTENT OF ALWAYS FITTING INTO WHAT IS ON THE STREET NOW, BECAUSE LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, I THINK THERE ARE NINE HOUSES ON THAT STREET AND EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS THIS LOOK. AND SO IT IN MY HEAD, IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT STREET IN MCKINNEY, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A SHORT STREET. BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE HOUSE HAS THAT SAME STYLE. SO WE, WE AGREE WITH THE IMPORTANCE OF RETAINING THAT STYLE. AND SO WHAT OUR INTENT TO DO WAS TO, OKAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO REDEVELOP IT, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THE SAME SCALE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, 30 FOOT CEILINGS AND ALL THIS STUFF GOING ON. BUT WE WANT TO KEEP THE SAME HEIGHTS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN A HOUSE BUILT IN THE 1950S. YOU THIS HOUSE HAS RAFTER TAILS ON IT OF A, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN DIMENSION AND PROPORTION. IT. THE HOUSE IS BUILT IN THE 50S. THE RANCH. THEY HAD THE CERTAIN TYPE OF LAP SIDING. SO WE WANTED TO. IF IF WE WERE ABLE TO REBUILD, WE WANT TO GO THE ROUTE OF BASICALLY PUTTING A NEW HOUSE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS BUILT IN 1950 IN THE PLACE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE FOR THE REASONS THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY LIKE THE HISTORIC AREA AND THEY SEE THE THE INTRINSIC IMPORTANCE TO MAINTAINING IT. AND SO IF IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DEMOLISH IT, WE WE HAVE A PLAN IN ORDER TO REPLACE IT. THE ONE THAT THAT'S VERY FAVORABLE TO, TO THE EXTERIOR NOW. SO IT WILL REALLY FIT IN SEAMLESSLY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE FRENCH COUNTRY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE STEEP ROOFS WITH VERTICAL BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR INTENT IS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I TOTALLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OR IF I VEERED OFF. I TEND TO DO THAT. SO IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO RESPOND TO. I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT. OKAY.

EXCUSE ME. I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL. CAN CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD USE A SIMILAR DESIGN SO THAT IT FITS IN WITH THE THE WHOLE STREETSCAPE, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THE PLANS WOULD BE FOR MATERIALS. LIKE WHAT WOULD THE CLADDING BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HOUSE WOULD HAVE ORIGINALLY HAD WOOD WINDOWS OR THEY COULD HAVE BEEN ALUMINUM WITH IT BEING 1950S. BUT, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU ANSWER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE USED IF YOU REDESIGNED AND STARTED OUT WITH A WHOLE NEW HOUSE? SO IT WOULD BE WOOD. OKAY. IT WOULD IT WOULD BE THE

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AND SO WE IN OUR DESIGN, THAT'S WHAT WE DID JUST TO MATCH IT. SO IT WOULD BE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT MATERIALS THAT HE WOULD WOULD CHOOSE FOR THE PARTICULAR WINDOWS. BUT GIVEN THAT THEY'RE ALUMINUM WINDOWS NOW AND YES, ALUMINUM WAS COMMON AT THIS TIME PERIOD THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY THE OPTION OUT THERE FOR AN ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOW THAT HAS THE SAME APPEARANCE, WHILE NOT SILVER, BUT STILL HAS THE SAME APPEARANCE WITH PROPORTION. AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING FOR IN OUR DESIGN. THE, THE WOOD CLADDING, WE CAN WE CAN DO THE CLADDING THAT HAS A SIMILAR EXPOSURE AS WHAT MAY BE ORIGINALLY UNDERNEATH THE THE VINYL VINYL. THANK YOU SIDING NOW. BUT THAT WAS ALWAYS OUR INTENT. WE, WE, WE WANTED TO THERE'S THERE'S NOT A HUGE VARIETY OF, OF MATERIAL TYPES ON THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE. AND THE STYLE OF HOUSE IS VERY SIMPLE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP IT REALLY SIMPLE. LIKE I SAID TO ME, THE, THE, THE, THE MAIN FEATURES OF THE HOUSE ARE NOT ONLY THE MASSING. I THINK RAINA POINTED OUT THE MASSING OF THE SETBACK BREEZEWAY PORCH. SO SO WE WANT TO KEEP SIMILAR MASSINGS TO THAT STYLE OF HOME. AND. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER TWO THINGS THAT THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME WAS THE DESIGN OF THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES AND THE, THE RAFTER TAILS. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY WERE, THEY WERE JUST SIMPLE HOUSES BACK THEN. AND WE WERE TRYING TO COMPLIMENT THAT OR NOT COMPLIMENT IT, BUT REALLY REPLICATE IT. OKAY. SO WE DIDN'T YOU DON'T WANT TO DISTRACT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON THERE BECAUSE AGAIN, EVERY HOUSE IS A BUILT COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT BY THE SAME DEVELOPER BUILDER AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, SO, SO WE, WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO DO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SURE. ANOTHER COMMENT. IS THERE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL FOUNDATION OF THE PROPERTY, IS THERE ANY PART OF THE HOUSE OR FRAMING OR SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REPURPOSED SO THAT YOU'RE NOT LITERALLY JUST LEVELING THE WHOLE THING? I MEAN, I SEE HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ALL THE TIME AND THEY TAKE THEM DOWN TO, I MEAN, THEY STRIP THEM, BUT IT'S STILL HAS SOME INTEGRITY. AND IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT CAN BE CREATED TO THE FOUNDATION SPECIFICALLY? WELL, I'M JUST THINKING, I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED HOW IN POOR CONDITION THE FOUNDATION WAS. SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN SUPPORT A CURRENT WALL OR PART OF THE STRUCTURE? AND THEN YES, MAYBE YOU DO HAVE TO REBUILD TO THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PIECE OF IT, BUT IS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO COMPLETELY BULLDOZE THE PROPERTY? WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS WE GET ALL THE DRAINAGE FROM THE LOT NEXT TO US. SO IT COMES THIS WAY. THERE ARE NOT CURRENTLY.

GUTTERS ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK. THERE IS ONE OVER THE GARAGE, SO THE WATER REALLY DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. MATTER OF FACT, IT GOES UNDER THE HOME. AFTER IT RAINS, IT'S MUDDY UNDER THE HOUSE AND THAT'S WHAT CREATED THE CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT RESULTED IN WHAT WE SAW. SO AS FAR AS RETAINING ANYTHING OF THE EXISTING FOUNDATION, I MEAN, I HAVE TO LOOK TO THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO KNOWS A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT THAN THAN I DO. I DO KNOW WE HAVE EXTENSIVE DAMAGE FROM WHAT I CAN SEE FROM THE HOLE THAT I CUT. BUT AS FAR AS ON THE OTHER END, I HAVE NOT CUT A HOLE THERE, SO I HAVE NOT PUT EYES ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE. SO HE HE TALKED ABOUT REPLACING THE EXTERNAL SILL PLATE AS WELL AS THE INTERNAL GIRDERS AND JOISTS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOUNDATION REPORT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE, IT SHOWS HOW OUT OF LEVEL EVEN THE FAR BEDROOMS ON AWAY ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THE HOME, ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE HOME, HOW MUCH THOSE HAVE MOVED AS WELL. SO. I, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CHALLENGING, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN UNDER THERE. AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DEFER TO

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AND THEN MAYBE YOU'VE GOT A DOUBLE LOT, YOU KNOW, YOU ADD, YOU KNOW, YOU ADD TO THE BACK.

I MEAN, IS THAT CASSIE? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY OR BECAUSE WHAT I'M IF WE DEMO, IF WE ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, THEN WHAT'S TO SAY? AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON IS THE DEMOLITION OF THIS PROPERTY. SO IF WE DEMO THIS, WHAT'S TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OF. I GUESS WE HAVE SOME CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT AREA. BUT THERE IS A CONCERN THERE THAT WE DEMO AND THEN WE DON'T. THAT'S ALL WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY. WHETHER WE DEMO IT OR NOT. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE AFTER YOU DEMO IT. YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT. SO TONIGHT'S APPLICATION IS JUST THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION.

NOW THERE ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL REQUIRE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. BUT THAT WOULD BE AFTER THIS. YEAH AS I UNDERSTOOD HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE BUT THAT YOU WORK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR WHAT COMES NEXT AS FAR AS DESIGN. AND I MEAN, I THINK WE TRIED TO ARTICULATE THAT THE LENGTHS THAT WE WANT TO GO TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IT WHAT DOES COME NEXT IS IT IS, ALONG WITH THE KIND OF CULTURAL HERITAGE THAT THAT IS IN THAT AREA. SO AND TO YOUR EARLIER POINT, WE FIRST GOT INTRODUCED TO DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY WHEN ONE OF MY VERY BEST FRIENDS BOUGHT A HOUSE AT 300 COLLEGE, AND THAT WAS OVERLOOKING THE GREEN FIELD THAT JUST GOT DEVELOPED WITH THE GEORGIA STREET AND ALL THE NEW HOMES THAT KIND OF WENT UP THERE. IT WAS LITERALLY ON THE CORNER OVERLOOKING THAT GREEN SPACE, AND IT WAS A TUDOR HOME BUILT IN 2013. AND TO DRIVE BY IT, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW THAT IT WASN'T BUILT IN THE 40S. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IT HAS THE INTEGRITY OF A NEW HOME. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE LENS THROUGH WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE THAT I WAS LOOKING TO APPROACH IT. SO I REALLY LIKE THAT REDEVELOPMENT THAT THEY DID. SO THAT'S THE SPIRIT IN WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS.

THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON LISA'S POINT. HAS HAS ANYONE LIKE PEELED BACK THE VINYL SIDING TO SEE WHAT THE WOOD UNDERNEATH LOOKS LIKE? COULD THAT BE? WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. I HAVE NOT DONE THAT. THAT KIND OF COMMITS YOU TO TAKING IT OFF, WHICH WE WOULD DO IF WE'RE GOING TO RE REDEVELOP IT. BUT I HAVE NOT. NOW THERE IS A PICTURE THAT I TOOK THAT HAS THE WHOLE IN THE BACK, AND YOU CAN TAKE A PEEK. YEAH, THAT ONE IN THE MIDDLE.

AND THAT IMPLIES THAT THERE IS THE WOOD PLANKING, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. AND THAT IS CERTAINLY IN THE STYLE OF ALL THE HOMES ON THAT STREET, THE HORIZONTAL WOOD. PLANKING, PLANKING FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. SO IT'S UNDER THERE. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONDITION IS IN. OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2005 SURVEY THAT'S INCLUDED IN HERE, THE VINYL SIDING WAS UP EVEN AT THAT TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT FOR REMEDIATION AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID, OR THEY JUST WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING UP THAT WAS MORE DURABLE. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THAT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I HAVE NOT TAKEN THAT STEP. SORRY, SORRY. NO, NO. ONE MORE QUESTION. JUST KIND OF ALONG THAT LINE AND RELATED TO THE QUESTION I ASKED EARLIER, HAVE YOU RECEIVED QUOTES FOR REPAIR WORK BEFORE MAKING THIS DECISION? BEFORE MAKING THE DECISION TO COME TO YOU GUYS TO DEMOLISH THE HOME? YEAH, SO I DID HAVE BUILDERS OUT THERE AND THEIR COMMENT WAS, YOU GOT TO GET A PLAN BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING OUT THE GARAGE, PERHAPS PUTTING SOMETHING ABOVE THE GARAGE, AND THEY KIND OF

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AND THEY QUOTED 42,000 FOR THE STRUCTURAL REPAIR OF THE FOUNDATION. NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVEN INCLUDED THE SILL PLATE. I DON'T THEY DID NOT SEE WHAT WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT AS FAR AS THE DAMAGE ON THE THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE. BUT AS EVERYBODY HAS SAID THAT YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO REMEDIATE, YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS WHAT CAUSED THESE CONDITIONS, THE DRAINAGE THAT'S COMING FROM THE OTHER SIDE. AND SO IN ADDITION TO THE FOUNDATION, QUOTE, THEY GAVE US A FRENCH DRAIN QUOTE, WHICH ADDED ANOTHER 16 TO 20 DEPENDING UPON WHICH ONE YOU LISTEN TO. SO I SUBMIT I STOPPED THERE. WE HAVE NOT SPENT ANY MONEY ON REMEDIATING THE HOME. MY MY BIGGEST FEAR ON ON ON REMEDIATING IT IS THAT YOU, YOU SPEND ALL THIS MONEY ON THE FOUNDATION REPAIR AND THE THE CLAY CONTINUES THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE OR IT CONTINUES TO MOVE. AND I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO, TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF INVESTMENT WITHOUT KNOWING THAT IT WOULD WORK. SO I HAVE TO TALK TO THEM AGAIN, KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A COMMENT. HAVING GONE THROUGH MAJOR DRAINAGE ISSUES WITH OUR HOME, WE HAVE A HISTORIC HOME. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT REGARDLESS OF IF YOU REFURBISH THIS HOME OR IF YOU BUILD, BECAUSE THE SAME DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT CAUSED THIS ARE GOING TO CAUSE THE SAME DAMAGE IN YOUR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT IS ONE ONE MENTION FROM THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WAS THAT YOU COULD, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD NEW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING DIRT AROUND AND THAT YOU COULD REGRADE THE LOT WHILE YOU WERE. LEVELING IT OR GETTING IT TO WHERE IT COULD SUSTAIN A SLAB FOUNDATION. SO I AGREE WITH YOU, I HEAR YOU, BUT THAT WAS KIND OF HOW IF WE WERE TO DO NEW CONSTRUCTION, THEN THAT WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS IT. AS YOU'RE PREPARING THE LOT FOR, FOR THE FOUNDATION. SO YEAH, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES DOWNTOWN. YES, THERE ARE JUST REALITY. YEAH. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE BLACK CLAY. I DON'T KNOW THE TECHNICAL TERM FOR IT. YEAH. A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL IT GUMBO.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT WRIT LARGE IN THIS HOUSE. YOU CAN TELL WE DON'T GET A LOT OF EXCITING THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION. YOU CERTAINLY STAND GUARD VERY WELL.

I CAN TELL YOU THE BOARD IN GENERAL, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PRESERVE. AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS THERE ARE. YEAH. AND AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK I TAKE THE DEFINITION OF PRESERVE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN I THINK YOU GUYS DO IN THAT WE DID WANT TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE SPENT THE TIME AND EFFORT TO COME UP WITH THE PLAN THAT WOULD THAT WOULD WORK WITH THAT. I WANT TO I DON'T KNOW, IT'D BE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TUDOR HOUSE, BUT I WANT A HOUSE THAT YOU DRIVE BY AND YOU SAY YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT IT WASN'T THAT IT WASN'T BUILT IN THE AGE OF OF THAT STREET. I MEAN, THAT STREET. THERE ARE HOMES BUILT IN 38 ALL THE WAY UP TO TO I THINK OURS WAS ONE OF THE LATER ONES IN 54, 56, BUT MOST OF THEM WERE BUILT IN THE 40S. AND THAT THE ARCHITECTURE REFLECTS THAT. I MEAN, I'M JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I KNOW JAMES MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH BECAUSE OF HIS KNOWLEDGE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE DONE ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO WITH IT, INCLUDING CUTTING HOLES IN THE FLOOR AND CHECKING OUT THE. THAT WAS A COMMITMENT. YEAH.

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S A REALLY PEELING OFF THE REALLY VINYL PICTURES UNDER THERE, SEEING THOSE GIRDERS, AS YOU CALL THEM, JUST COMPLETELY, PRACTICALLY SNAPPED. I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO LIFT THE HOUSE COMPLETELY OFF THERE TO REPLACE THAT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, MY SENSE HERE IS THAT YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. I

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YOU WOULDN'T EVEN. IT WOULD BE HARD TO SEE FROM THE STREET. SO WE CERTAINLY WOULD NOT WANT TO.

THE FRONT HOUSE. WE WOULD NOT WANT TO TAKE UP ANY OF THE BACKYARD, WHAT I CALL THE BACK.

THE SECOND LOT. YEAH. ANYBODY ELSE? COMMENTS? JAMES, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS? I KNOW YOU DO.

LOTS OF THOUGHTS. COULD YOU SHARE? I THINK I'VE SHARED ALREADY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS. THOUGH WE MAY DIFFER IN OPINIONS, WE APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR PERSISTENCE AND YOUR EFFORT. AND I, I HAVE SELDOM SEEN A HISTORIC HOME WHICH HAS FOUND ITS WAY TO BEING UNREPAIRABLE. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD QUITE AN EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE, DO YOU? I BEAR IN MIND FOUNDATIONS IN MCKINNEY OF HOMES THAT WE ALL OCCUPY, WHICH CURRENTLY SIT ON BOARDWALK PIERS AND MOST STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS TODAY WOULD SAY THAT'S QUITE UNLIKELY. YOU CAN USE THAT. BUT SOME OF THE MOST VALUABLE HOUSES IN MCKINNEY ARE SITTING THAT WAY. SO I'VE AGAIN REITERATED I'VE NEVER SEEN HISTORIC HOME WHICH COULD NOT BE RESTORED. AND IT DEPENDS ON BUDGET AND AVAILABILITY OF SKILLED CRAFTSMEN. AND I KNOW THAT IN THE YEARS THAT HAVE ENSUED SINCE I MADE MY SIMPLE EFFORT AT THIS, WE'VE DEVELOPED A WHOLE BUNCH OF CREWS THAT ARE QUITE CAPABLE, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE CONSULTING WITH THEM. AND SO IT'S IT'S ALWAYS A MATTER OF PERSONAL CHOICE. I APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. JAMES. ANYBODY ELSE? THOUGHTS? TOM. YES, MA'AM. I'LL JUST SAY I TYPICALLY TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU. THAT SCARES ME TO KNOW. BUT I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IN SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID IS THAT I DON'T SEE, IN THIS CASE, AN EFFORT TO REHABILITATE PRIOR TO MAKING THE DECISION TO DEMO. AND I WOULD TEND TO AGREE THAT THERE IS VALUE IN A DEMO. WE'VE APPROVED DEMOLITIONS BEFORE WHEN IT IS THE ABSOLUTE NECESSITY. BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, TENDING TO AGREE WITH WITH JAMES IN IN THE SENSE THAT THERE'S NOT A HOME THAT IS COMPLETELY WITHOUT REPAIR. AND I KNOW WE SAID WE CAN'T HAVE A, A SPLIT VOTE TONIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE OUTNUMBERED, BUT I JUST NEEDED TO, TO LET YOU KNOW, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. YEAH. MY, MY SENSE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LIMIT OF HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO SPEND BEFORE YOU GET TO THE END OF YOUR ROAD. AND THAT'S, THAT'S SUNK COST, RIGHT? SO IF, AS JACK SAID, IF YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE CUT A FEW MORE HOLES IN THE FLOOR AND YOU FIND OUT THAT, WELL, IT'S KIND OF AS WE EXPECTED BECAUSE WE'RE TWO INCHES UP ON THIS END. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE JOISTS ARE, ARE CRACKED OR TERMITE. YOU KNOW, YOU YOU REACH A POINT WHERE YOU SPEND ANOTHER 15 OR 20,000 BUCKS. NOT MY MONEY, MIND YOU, BUT YOU COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION YOU KNEW ALL AROUND. AND YOU KNOW IT'S ALL ABOUT DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND I GUESS MY SENSE IS THAT THEY'VE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. THEY'VE BROUGHT IN THE RIGHT PEOPLE. THEY'VE HAD STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT. THEY'VE CUT HOLES IN THE FLOOR. THEY'VE TAKEN PICTURES, THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY COULD.

YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT'S ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND VINYL SIDINGS, THE ONLY THING I SEE ON THE HOUSE BESIDES THE VISUALLY, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF AND THE AND THE RAFTER TAILS IS,

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BUT I THINK I THINK MEDIUM IS KIND OF OVERRATING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. BUT THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS AND I'D WELCOME ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK UP. DO WE? SPEAKING OF THAT, CASSIE, DO WE HAVE IN THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR THE PRIORITY? DO YOU KNOW YOU MEAN LIKE FOR EACH SPECIFIC HOME OR JUST WHAT THAT MEANS? AND OR FOR THIS ONE? WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE FOR THIS HOME. HOWEVER, IN THE STAFF REPORT, SHE DOES MAKE SURE TO SHOW WHAT THE DEFINITION OF A MEDIUM PRIORITY IS THAT THE DEFINITION, JUST SINCE I HAVE IT UP, IS CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL HISTORICAL PATTERNS. BUT ALTERATIONS HAVE DIMINISHED THE RESOURCES INTEGRITY OR.

IT'S A SIGNIFICANT EXAMPLE OF ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING OR CRAFTED DESIGN, OR. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF COMMON LOCAL BUILDING FORM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR TYPE. OR IT COULD BE A MODERN OR RECENT LANDMARK THAT'S NOT OLD ENOUGH TO BE JUDGED. I WOULD SAY JUST FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING AT THIS, IT WOULD KIND OF FALL INTO THAT. IT'S A OUTSTANDING EXAMPLE OF A COMMON LOCAL BUILDING FORM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR TYPE. THAT'S GETTING TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ON THE BLOCK ITSELF, HOW THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL THE OTHER HOMES ON THAT BLOCK. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I AGREE WITH JAMES. I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON WHAT POSSIBLY CAN BE DONE. AND MAYBE IT MEANS THAT WE PAUSE OR WHAT WAS. RENA, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT REMIND ME WHAT THE ONE ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT TABLING, TABLING, YOU KNOW, TO GET MORE INFORMATION OR, AND HELP HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU, FOR YOU GUYS? I PERSONALLY, I, I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THIS CANNOT BE REHABILITATED IN SOME SORT OF FASHION. I AM NOT DISAGREEING THAT PARTS OF IT NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REDONE.

TOTALLY, BUT TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST PART OF THIS STRUCTURE, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT THAT IS NOT REALISTIC. I THINK THAT IT CAN BE DONE, AT LEAST FOR PART OF IT. SO WE CAN SAY THAT IT HAS MAINTAINED AT LEAST SOME OF THE INTEGRITY, AND I TOTALLY RESPECT AND APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT TO THE PERIOD. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WONDERFUL. BUT I HONESTLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT COMPLETELY. YOU KNOW, DEMOLISHING THE HOME IS, IS THE RIGHT APPROACH. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE, I MEAN, AND NOT TO REPRESENT JACK, BUT IF THERE WERE CONDITIONS YOU WERE THINKING OF, IF YOU WERE TO SAY TABLE IT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, ARE THERE CONDITIONS YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE MET OR INFORMATION YOU WANT TO SEE THAT WOULD THEN MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM EITHER TO AGREE WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO OR SAY, NO, YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO. YOU CAN'T DEMOLISH THIS. I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT CERTAIN PARTS OF THE FOUNDATION THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT, WE HAVEN'T, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE SIDING THAT HASN'T EVEN REALLY BEEN LOOKED INTO, I JUST THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO THAT MAYBE WOULD NOT REQUIRE AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY, JUST TO GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION. THAT IS MY $0.02. NO, I GET THAT. I GUESS FOR CLARITY, IT'S IT'S HELPFUL FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO KNOW WHAT IT IS HE NEEDS, WHAT HE NEEDS TO GET. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE IT A CONDITION IF YOU GET ALL THIS AND IT SAYS THIS AND THEN I AGREE, THIS CAN'T MAKE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE IN HIS SHOES, I'D WANT TO KNOW, WHAT DOES HE WANT ME TO GET OR WHAT MORE DO I NEED TO DO? WHAT WOULD HELP CLARIFY THIS FOR YOU? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS. I CERTAINLY HAVE NO DISAGREEMENT WITH ALL OF YOU, ALL WHO SEEM TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE WITH ME. I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TO AVOID DEMOLISHING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT LEAVES THEM. I MEAN, THERE MAY BE A WORKAROUND WHERE THEY CAN INCORPORATE SOME OF WHAT'S EXISTING THERE. THEY'LL STILL GOING TO HAVE TO STILL HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN TO THE STUDS, REPLACE ALL OF THE JOISTS UNDERNEATH IT, AND IF THEY BUILD ON THE BACK OF IT, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE ON

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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. THANK YOU. SO I'VE GOT A QUESTION. AS A DESIGNER, JAMES, YOU COULD PROBABLY HELP ME WITH THIS TOO. AS A DESIGNER, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU CAN KEEP A PART OF IT, THAT THAT IMPLIES SOME BIT OF SPECIFICITY AS FAR AS LIKE, WHAT PART ARE YOU THINKING LIKE THE SHAPE OF THIS ROOM OR THIS PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE SEEING FROM THE FRONT? BECAUSE IF THE STRUCTURAL, IF THE, IF THE, IF THE ENTIRE SILL PLATE THAT SITS ON TOP OF THE CONCRETE PERIMETER BEAM IS UNSOUND, WELL, IT'S GOT TO BE ALL LIFTED UP SO WE CAN PUT NEW SILL PLATE. BUT IF THE FLOORING THAT IS ALSO SITTING ON IT IS COMPLETELY UNSOUND, THEN THEN THAT GOES TO YOUR STRUCTURE AS WELL. SO, SO.

IT'S SORT OF AND I DON'T MEAN THIS INSULTING IT, IT, IT'S SORT OF AMBIGUOUS TO US OR ME AS A DESIGNER, LIKE TO KEEP A PART. WHAT PART IS, IS IMPLIED. ARE YOU SAYING THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE THEN, THEN THAT THEN THAT MAINTAINS ENOUGH OF THE ORIGINAL FEATURES OR AS A DESIGNER? BECAUSE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GO DOWN THIS PATH, WE GOT TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO. ARE WE SAYING, WELL, YOU HAVE TO KEEP 30% OF THE WALLS OR YOU HAVE TO KEEP.

THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'M STRUGGLING. UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT BECOMES A, A POINT OF MOVING FORWARD TO, TO COMPLETING. YES. A LOT OF PEOPLE BUILD ON THE BACK BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO MESS UP THE FRONT. YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE FRONT. SO OF COURSE, IT'S ALWAYS EASY TO, TO MOVE BACK. I'VE, I'VE DESIGNED NEARLY 200 REMODELS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ALONE. I'VE DEFINITELY HAD THAT EXPERIENCE. BUT BUT THIS IS A BIT OF A UNIQUE SITUATION FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE MAINTAIN A PART AND I'LL BE GLAD TO DO IT BECAUSE I LOVE HISTORICAL HOMES OF, OF ALL TYPES AND STYLES. SO I'M, I'M THE FIRST ONE THERE ADVOCATING FOR KEEPING WHAT YOU CAN. BUT, BUT IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF STEERED INTO A CERTAIN DIRECTION, I'M JUST REALLY LACKING THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW I'M GOING TO GET TO THAT DIRECTION. SO IS THERE I MEAN, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SAY SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU CAN KEEP A PART OF THE HOME, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM TOO. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. OBVIOUSLY, I AM NOT SPECIALIZED IN WHAT YOU DO. SO I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO YOU ON, ON PART OF IT. BUT AS YOU WOULD GO IN AND ACTUALLY SEE THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE AND MAYBE AREAS THAT YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT OR THE SIDING OR SOMETHING, MAYBE THERE IS A PIECE. YES, MAYBE IT IS A STRUCTURAL PART OF ONE COMPONENT OF THE HOUSE. MAYBE IT'S THE UNIQUENESS OF THAT PORCH. IF THERE'S A COMPONENT OF THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC. NO, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. AND I MEAN, IT COULD EVEN AT THIS POINT BOIL DOWN TO IS THERE ANY WOOD THAT YOU CAN KEEP OR IS

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AND, AND IF THERE IS LAYERS OF, YOU KNOW, SIDING, YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU TAKE THE SIDING OFF, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH IT. THERE COULD BE SOMETHING REALLY COOL UNDERNEATH THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. SO IT'S, IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT. DOES THAT HELP IT? IT DOES. CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? I WOULD JUST SAY I TO CLARIFY, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE AREN'T, AT LEAST AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AS A BOARD ABLE TO TELL YOU, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THIS OR THIS IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS, UNLESS WE WERE TO SAY, DO AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. IS THAT RIGHT? CASSIE. YEAH. SO YOU COULD DO AN APPROVE AND APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, AND YOUR CONDITION WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY MUCH LIKE WE ARE X, Y, AND Z CONDITIONS MUST BE MET. AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE AN APPROVAL, RIGHT. AND SO WHAT WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS OF WHAT LISA IS, IS ASKING IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE EFFORT INTO WHAT ARE THE REHAB OPTIONS BEFORE CONSIDERING WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK ONE OF HER SUGGESTIONS IS TO LOOK INTO WHAT MATERIALS COULD BE SAVED, EVEN IF THAT IS THE ONLY OPTION YOU'RE ABLE TO CONSIDER, RIGHT? AND BRING THAT FORWARD TO US. BUT I WOULD SAY SHE'S NOT TELLING YOU, IN ORDER FOR US TO APPROVE THIS, YOU HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW THAT THAT YOU'LL SAVE THESE THINGS. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS A BOARD TO CONSIDER FULLY THIS REQUEST, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE FROM WHAT A COUPLE OF US HAVE SAID, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THAT WE FEEL TO BE LACKING IN THE APPLICATION IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES, IF THAT DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE, HAVE MORE CLARITY FOR YOU A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU BUT WHEN YOU SAY LIKE THINGS THAT YOU MAY RETAIN FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, THAT'S EVERYTHING ON THE INSIDE. I MEAN, NO ONE'S SEEING THE DOORS, NO ONE'S SEEING ANY KIND OF CABINETRY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT CABINETRY. THERE MAY BE TWO FEET OF CABINETS LEFT IN THIS KITCHEN, BUT BUT BUT A LOT OF THAT INDICATES THINGS THAT ARE ON THE INSIDE THAT AREN'T SEEN. SO EVEN IF THEY WERE RETAINED, THAT THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO YOUR POINT, IS IT LIKE A CERTAIN SHAPE? BECAUSE THAT THE SHAPE IS WHAT LENDS ITSELF TO THAT STYLE, RIGHT? IS IT THE EXTERIOR? YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP SINGLE PANE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND LET'S REUSE THOSE? YEAH, OF COURSE NOT. BUT THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS MIMIC THEM WITH THE SAME SIZE, WITH THE SAME, YOU KNOW, DIMENSION FUNCTIONALITY, ALL OF IT. YOU KNOW, COULD YOU, IF MAYBE THIS PORTION IS NOT QUITE AS DECREPIT AS THIS SIDE? WELL, MAYBE WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE DESIGN. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE INDICATING. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO GIVING YOU, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NEED, YOU KNOW, YOUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON. OKAY, SO THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND AND THIS COULD BE INCORPORATED IN SOMETHING. SO IT'S. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK THE MOST FAIR THING, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR JACK BECAUSE I DON'T WRITE THE CHECKS. THE MOST FAIR THING TO, TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IS TO MAYBE SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY TO, SORRY, INVESTIGATE THOSE OTHER PORTIONS THAT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO REACH YET AND THEN SAY, OKAY, LOOK, NOT ONLY HAVE WE LOOKED AT THIS FIRST 75% THAT WE MET YOU ON TODAY'S DATE, BUT WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO CUT IN AND GET AND LOOK AT THE REST OF THE. 25. AND WE SEE THAT THAT YES, THIS, THIS DESTRUCTION IS, IS THROUGHOUT. AND THEN WOULD THAT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE HELPFUL WITH YOU GUYS MAKING A DECISION? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE UNREASONABLE. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE REALLY WE'RE REALLY NOT. I MEAN, BECAUSE I, AND I GET THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME I'VE, I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH MANY, MANY CITIES ACROSS THE METROPLEX, AND THERE ARE SOME THAT PRACTICALLY WANT YOU TO REBUILD BEFORE YOU CAN FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S EVEN USEFUL. SO IT'S LIKE THEY FORCE YOUR HAND INTO THE ECONOMICS OF IT.

AND, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE PUT IN ALL THIS MONEY AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JACK, LUCKILY, AND CHRISTIE ARE AT THE BEGINNING STAGES, BUT THEY'VE DONE A LOT. I MEAN, HAVING THE ENGINEER EXPERTS OUT THERE TO DO THE ANALYSIS AND TO DO THE TERMITES AND ALL THAT THAT THEY LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE FIRST MET, WE HAD A DIFFERENT IDEA AND THEN STARTED THE INVESTIGATION. IT WAS JUST LIKE, HOLD ON, THIS MAY NOT WORK AT ALL. SO SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT LED US HERE. AND, AND ANYWAYS, AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR JACK

[01:05:05]

I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST PIECE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS OPTIONS. WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST CONSIDERED THOSE? AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A COA TO, YOU KNOW, DO A REPAIR OF SOME KIND, BUT THAT WE SEE A DEMOLITION WITH A FULL REPORT OF THESE ARE SOME QUOTES WE'VE RECEIVED OR SOME OPTIONS WE'VE CONSIDERED AND WHAT THAT MIGHT COST. AND WE'VE DECIDED THE DEMOLITION IS THE MOST ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE OF THOSE OPTIONS. BECAUSE FROM WHAT I SEE, WE JUST DON'T SEE THAT. AND I WOULD JUST SAY FROM THE MEDIUM PRIORITY CHECKLIST IN THE HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY, AS KATHY SAID, WE WOULD SAY THIS HOUSE IS AN OUTSTANDING EXAMPLE OF A COMMON LOCAL BUILDING FORM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR TYPE. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE ASKING WHAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE OR WHAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT MAINTAINS THAT LOCAL BUILDING FORM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR TYPE. AND SO I THINK THAT IS JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. AND I, I THINK OF THIS IN TERMS OF ARE THERE ANY SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS? AND I KEEP USING THE ORIGINAL SIDING AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO COME BACK AND SAY, YEAH, WE CHECKED INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WOOD IS ROTTED OR, OR THE MAJORITY, BECAUSE I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU STRIP THE ENTIRE VINYL, BUT JUST SOME SORT OF IDEA AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, IN YOUR OPINION, AFTER EXAMINING THEM A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE NEW THE NEW BUILDING? YEAH. OKAY. SO I, I THINK MY KIND OF VIEW IS, AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S COMING FROM, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD THIS WAY, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO ACHIEVE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TIME THAT THEY COME BEFORE THE BOARD. AND I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT IF THEY SAY THAT, OKAY, THEY'VE INVESTIGATED 75% OF THE STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION, DO WE NEED 100% TO BE CHECKED OR, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS KNOW IT BETTER.

YOU NEED TO CUT A HOLE OVER ON THE EAST SIDE AND TAKE A LOOK IN THERE. AND IF THEY FIND THAT IT IS NO BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT SO FAR, IS THAT SUFFICIENT INFORMATION? I THINK THAT WHAT YOU JUST SUGGESTED WAS WHAT JACK INDICATED, THAT THEY HAVE HAD ACCESS TO A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT, BUT NOT THE OTHER. AND SO IF YOU CAN JUST POP A COUPLE MORE HOLES AND LOOK. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF IT. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GUYS ARE COMING FROM TOO, BY, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE THERE. BUT AS, AS MARK POINTED OUT, THE STUFF ON THE INSIDE ISN'T WHAT WE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW OF THAT. THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR, IT'S JUST THE OUTSIDE. SO ANYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM PRESERVING, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE THE FRONT STRUCTURE IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE ON LOUISIANA, AS YOU'RE COMING IN WHERE THEY WE JUST APPROVED THE DEMOLITION. THEY TOOK DOWN A GOOD MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE. CASSIE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.

BUT THEY LEFT TWO WALLS STANDING THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS GONE BEHIND IT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. NO. RIGHT? NO. AND ME RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS THE SEAL AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF IT. BASICALLY. THAT'S WHAT EVERYTHING SITS ON OUTSIDE OF THE PIERS, ON THE INSIDE OF IT. THOSE SILLS ARE CRACKED. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED. AND I, I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT I WOULD ASSUME BECAUSE I'M HAVING WORKED WITH A GC BEFORE, HE'S NOT GOING TO BE COMFORTABLE ADDING ON TO SOMETHING THAT HE IS NOT COMPETENT, STRUCTURALLY SOUND, RIGHT? IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WHICH MEANS THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE THE ATTIC LOOKS LIKE, ALL OF THAT WOULD MAY NEED TO BE REPLACED. ALL OF THAT ROOFING MAY NEED TO REPLACE SPECIFICALLY IF THEY'VE GOT LEAKS AND THEM BUYING IT IN 25 MEANS THAT THEY'VE HAD IT FOR A YEAR AND NOT EVEN A HALF. THE PEOPLE THAT HAD IT THE 50 YEARS BEFORE THAT ARE THE ONES THAT DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT. RIGHT? SO SADDLING THEM WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY AFTER THEY PURCHASE. NOW, YOU DID BUY IT IN GOOD FAITH. SO THAT'S PART OF IT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. BUT THAT'S NOT FAIR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU DEMOLISH THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN CARE OF IT.

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WE'RE DOING BASICALLY OUT LOUD. YEAH. OUT LOUD. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT I HAVE HERE IS ASSURANCE THAT WHAT REPLACES IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THAT'S A RENDERING. BUT THAT IS FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN PLACE THAT RENT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD MATTER AS A SUBMITTAL. BUT YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHERE SHE'S COMING FROM. AND WE TYPICALLY DON'T ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT WE HAVE HAD REASON TO VENTURE INTO THAT TERRITORY IN THE PAST AND FOR GOOD REASON. I FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, WE WE HAVE IT. SO IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID,

[01:15:02]

BELIEVE ME, I KNOW ABOUT THE UNKNOWN. YEAH. WELL, THEN I HAVE A QUESTION TOO. IS. SO THERE'S WOOD SIDING UNDERNEATH IT. SO DO YOU BUILD IT IF IF AT SOME POINT WE DECIDE YES, YOU'RE GOING TO DEMOLISH IT. DO WE REQUIRE THE WOOD SIDING? BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OR BECAUSE VINYL HAS BEEN PUT OVER IT THEN. OH YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF I MEAN, MY CONCERN ON TRYING TO DO THE EXISTING IS THE LEAD PAINT. AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE, BUT I KNOW THAT'S A, THAT'S A HIGH, HIGH STEP. AND YOU KNOW FOR SURE THAT THERE'S LEAD PAINT. WELL, JUST LOOKING AT THE AGE OF THE HOME AND.

SOMEWHERE UNDER THERE THERE'S LEAD PAINT. YEAH. 75 ANYTHING BEFORE 1975 IS WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU DO A YOU BUY AN OLD HOUSE. I THINK YOU HAVE ONE WHEN YOU. 1930 OKAY. SO, SO IN YOUR CLOSING DOCUMENTS WITH THE REALTOR, YOU WOULD HAVE SIGNED SOMETHING SAYING THAT THERE WAS A LEAD PAINT SUCH AND SUCH WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT BECAUSE IT'S OVER, BECAUSE IT'S BUILT BEFORE 1964 OR 5, THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT HAVING LEAD PAINT IS 100%. SO. SO THAT'S GOOD IN I MEAN, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT REMEDIATION, IF IT GETS TO THE POINT OF. IF WE WERE TO PUT SOMETHING BACK THAT LOOKED VERY SIMILAR TO THAT, THE COST COULD BE MUCH LOWER THAN REMEDIATING THE EXTERIOR OF, OF THE HOME WITH, WITH THE LEAD PAINT TO, TO KEEP THAT, BUT THAT REMEDIATION COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD USE. AND THEY'RE DETERMINING THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR A, IF YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT OTHER THINGS BECAUSE YOU CAN GET A QUOTE FOR PAINT REMEDIATION. OKAY. I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY YEAH. I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT.

AS FOR THE NEXT STEP THAT YOU ALL ARE REQUESTING. SO. AND THE THIRD THING I HAD WAS FURTHER EXPLORATION INTO THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE. SO THAT WOULD BE OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO CUT A HOLE IN THE FLOOR AGAIN, THAT ALL COMES OUT. OR THE EAST SIDE, WHAT WAS THE EAST SIDE? AND THEN TO REALLY SEE THE SIDING TO JUST RANDOMLY, YOU KNOW, PULL OFF SOME OR WAS, WAS IT ONE OF THE THINGS? MY BLANK, MY HEAD JUST WENT BLANK MATERIALS TO SEE WHICH WHAT COULD BE SALVAGEABLE IS THAT THAT FOR US, THAT'S ONLY THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. SO IF THEY UNCOVER THE VINYL AND THERE'S REALLY NICE SIDING UNDERNEATH THERE, WE QUESTION WHY THEY COVER IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT RIGHT THEN, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT DEGREE WOULD IT BE SALVAGEABLE TO BE? TO BE FAIR, THOUGH, OUR HOME WAS REPAIRED BY THE CITY THROUGH THE CDBG GRANT, AND THEY COVERED OUR WOOD SIDING WITH VINYL, AND IT WASN'T IN A BAD CONDITION.

YOU'RE ON THIS BOARD AND YOU. WELL, I WAS 12. YEAH, BUT YOU STILL HAD THE SAME ATTITUDE THEN WHEN I DID HAVE THE SAME ATTITUDE. YES, I DID, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. ALL RIGHT. SO SIDING INSPECTION, FURTHER EXPLORATION, EXPLORATION INTO THE DAMAGE IF THOSE SEEM REASONABLE. AND HERE'S WHERE IF WE HAVE YOU DO THIS STUFF AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, THE JOISTS AND THE GIRDERS ARE JUST AS DAMAGED AS WHAT WE SAW ON THE WEST SIDE, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO ALL OF IT ANYWAY. YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IT'S ALL BAD. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO IT ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU GOT I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY STICK OUR HEAD UNDER THERE. I KNOW THE CRAWL SPACE IS MUCH LESS ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL ACCESS POINT WAS OVER THERE. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A PICTURE IN HERE OF THE EXTERNAL ACCESS POINT THAT SHOWS THE PIPING FOR THE BATHROOM. BUT IT'S IT'S PRETTY TIGHT IN THERE. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK, SEE WHAT WE CAN SEE. OKAY. MY

[01:20:03]

IF THAT'S IF THAT'S OKAY. I MEAN, I, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT'S UNDER THERE AS WELL.

BUT ANYWAY, SO I, I, I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. IF IT DOESN'T, IF IT DOESN'T SOLVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, THEN IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE. BUT IF IT DOES, THEN I THINK THAT'S FINE TOO. BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM IS WE DON'T WANT TO REMOVE ALL THE VINYL SIDING. NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. NO. RIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT I SUGGESTED. NO, IF YOU COULD JUST DO IT IN CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, A FEW PLACES AND, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS MAYBE ON THE BACK SIDE, THE WOOD SIDING IS GREAT WHEN YOU REHABILITATE, WHEN YOU REDESIGN, IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION, YOU CAN SAVE THOSE BOARDS AND THEY CAN GO ON THE FRONT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST HOPING AND LOOKING FOR SOME SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, BUT IF I FELT LIKE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PLACES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BOTH ON THE LOWER AND THE AND THE UPPER TO SEE IF DAMAGE WAS JUST AT THE BOTTOM WHERE THERE'S MORE, YOU KNOW, WATER MOISTURE. AND THEN JUST DO YOU KNOW, JUST ON EACH SIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE SEEING UNDERNEATH HERE? I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO COME BACK WITH 100%, YOU KNOW, KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THE SIDING IS. BUT IF WE JUST HAVE A FAIR IDEA, THEN, I MEAN, MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WE COULD APPROVE DEMOLITION WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS ARE REINCORPORATED, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT JUST SOMETHING TO GIVE US AN IDEA.

I'M NOT LIKE I SAY, I'M NOT EXPECTING 100%. WE'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT EVERY SINGLE WOOD PLANK, WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD. BUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE JUST HAVE A GENERAL SENSE THAT, OKAY, ON THE EAST SIDE, AT THE BOTTOM, IT DEFINITELY GOT MORE MOISTURE AND SO IT'S ROTTED. BUT HERE AT THE TOP, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE PRETTY GOOD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, IS THAT DOABLE? I MEAN, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE SIDING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. THAT WHEN WE DO THIS, WE WE CERTAINLY SATISFY WHAT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING TO DO. SURE. AND I DON'T LEAVE AN EYESORE. YEAH. ON THE STREET. RIGHT, RIGHT. DEFINITELY. ALL RIGHT. SO KIND OF AN ANALYSIS OF THE COST BENEFIT REHABILITATION VERSUS DEMOLITION. AND IF YOU CAN JUST HAVE ROUGH ESTIMATES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE. FURTHER EXPLORATION INTO THE DAMAGE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE. I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THAT THE CEILING AROUND THE OUTSIDE IS CRUMBLING ON THE CORNERS. IS THAT RIGHT? THE ENGINEERING REPORT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO THE PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ADD ANYTHING THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M I'M ARE WE GOING TO HAVE YOU DOING SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT QUALIFIED OR IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THAT MATTER? YOU KNOW IT.

YES. YOU'VE LOOKED IN ONE HOLE THERE. I MEAN, WOULD IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF YOU OPENED UP ANOTHER HOLE AND WE SAW THE SAME THING THAT WE SAW ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE? NOT TO ME PERSONALLY. MY MY MAIN POINT IS THE YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT IT IS. IS IT REASONABLE TO CONSIDER AN OPTION TO PRESERVE AT LEAST FOR THREE WALLS OF THIS. I THINK THE EXTENT OF THE. THE. LOOKING INTO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS I'M LOOKING FOR. IT'S BECOME. IT'S BECOME TOO LATE FOR ME IS THE PROBLEM, BUT I. I GOT HERE FIVE MINUTES LATE. I THINK I KNOW TRAFFIC, THE. TO ME, THE EXTENT OF WHAT YOU HAVE LOOKED INTO AS FAR AS DAMAGE GOES IS SATISFIED. OKAY. FOR FOR MY OPINION, I WOULD SAY THE ONE THING I FEEL IS MISSING IS JUST THE, THE LOOK INTO REHABILITATION OPTIONS. OKAY.

SPECIFICALLY THE COST, THE COST. AND JUST WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES? DOES THAT INCLUDE DEMO? BUT IT KEEPS UP. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING

[01:25:03]

ANYBODY ELSE. SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED IS A MOTION TO TABLE THE VOTE ON THIS AND POSTPONE IT TO. THE NEXT MEETING IF THAT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU. YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE TO GET FOLKS TO COME IN AND PROVIDE THAT. BUT YEAH, SUFFICE TO SAY WE ARE MOTIVATED. SO WE WOULD COME BACK AS SOON AS WE COULD. GOT IT. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL HE CAN GET THE INFORMATION THAT HE NEEDS AND BRINGS IT BACK. I'LL SECOND. OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'M SO FAR OFF SCHEDULE AND TIME. AND THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN. YEAH THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I KNOW THIS WAS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. IT IS YEAH. THIS IS. DEFINITELY ALL RIGHT.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS Regarding Matters not on the Agenda]

[01:30:01]

AND MR. WEST, I WANT TO THANK YOU IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE YOU HAVE PROBABLY CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF MCKINNEY THAN ANY PERSON IN MCKINNEY'S HISTORY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHARLIE. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. IT'S A GOOD REMINDER FOR US. ALL RIGHT. DO ANY OF THE BOARD

[BOARD AND STAFF COMMENTS]

MAYBE THAT'S FUNNY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. WELL THAT'S FANTASTIC. I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THAT.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I LOVE THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING THAT. I DO TOO. I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT. I HAVE ONE THING JUST TO GO BACK ON. WHAT I WAS WAS TALKING ABOUT. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY FOR US AS A BOARD TO PUT FORTH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPROVAL FOR, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T HAVING TO COME BACK TO US TWICE AFTER WE'VE WE'VE TALKED TO THEM LIKE THIS BEFORE.

ARE YOU ASKING LIKE, COULD WE HAVE LIKE A, A POLICY DISCUSSION ABOUT THINGS THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR DEMOLITION REQUESTS? YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK WE KNOW WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF IT FOR AN APPLICATION THAT GOES TO STAFF.

BUT THEN WHEN THE BOARD IS CONSIDERING IT, USUALLY IT'S BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING TO KNOW WHAT THE BOARD MIGHT BE LOOKING AT BEFORE THEY COME FORWARD. SURE, STAFF CAN WORK ON THAT AND BRING IT FORWARD JUST AS A DISCUSSION ITEM. OKAY. RIGHT.

BECAUSE SO THEY THEY HAVE FORMALLY MOVED ALL DEMOLITIONS TO HISTORIC DISTRICT TO REQUIRE APPROVAL. OH, OKAY. SO THAT HAS TO COME TO US. THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK I DID KNOW THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S ONLY COMMERCIAL. BUT YEAH, I WOULD SAY JUST I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA JUST TO REALLY, REALLY GOOD IDEA WHAT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO

[01:35:06]

RIGHT? YEAH. BUT I AGREE WITH MEGAN MAKES A GREAT POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE SOME SOME THINGS THAT I KNOW, I KNOW STAFF KNOWS BETTER THAN WE DO, THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ASKING OR OUR ITEMS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF WHAT MEGAN BROUGHT UP, AND THAT'S THE, THE, THE NATURE OR THE NOTION OF, YOU KNOW, SHOW US NOT NECESSARILY A HARDSHIP, BUT WHY THIS, WHY THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY, YEAH, ECONOMIC JUSTICE, FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL JUSTIFICATION FOR, FOR DOING THIS AND WHY IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE TO REHABILITATE VERSUS DEMOLISH FOR SURE.

BECAUSE I'M, I MEAN, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT AGAINST, YOU KNOW, APPROVING A DEMOLITION.

IT JUST HAS TO BE IN THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. AND I THINK WE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR CITIZENS KNOW THAT BEFORE THEY COME BEFORE US SO THAT WE'RE NOT WASTING ANYBODY'S TIME. THAT WOULD BE MY MY REQUEST. ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. MY APOLOGIES FOR ALLOWING YOU TO TALK SO MUCH TONIGHT. ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS. I WON'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? I MOVE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.

MARSHA, IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. ALL RIGHT, LISA, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY WE DIDN'T HAVE DISCUSSION ON THAT. SO THE MOTION CARRIES WITHOUT DISCUSSION.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.