[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:09] AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF MCKINNEY HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF OCTOBER 1ST, 2026. THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU SEE SEATED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU'RE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE WILL ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES. BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND AVOID OVERTALKING THE ISSUE. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE NON PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS? [26-0929 Election of the Chair and Vice-Chair] OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'RE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 26-0929, WHICH IS THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR. DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A MOTION TO NOMINATE TOM PENCE TO BE CONTINUE TO BE OUR CHAIR. AM I ALLOWED TO SECOND THAT? SECOND. SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WAS A MOTION BY COMMISSION MEMBER KERRY KENNEDY TO ELECT TOM PENCE AS CHAIR AND SECONDED BY KIM BLACK. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. AND THAT MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. AND THAT MEANS, TOM, YOU ARE NOW THE CHAIR. AND FEEL FREE TO CONTINUE ON. DO WE NOT NEED TO WE DO NEED TO ELECT A VICE CHAIR, DON'T WE? YES. AND I'M GOING TO TAKE THE GAVEL BACK. AND HAVE A POWER HUNGRY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW CONTINUE WITH ITEM NUMBER 26. 0929 THE ELECTION OF THE VICE CHAIR. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE ELECT MEGAN AMELIA. MOTION BY MARCIA ROBERTSON TO ELECT OR NOMINATE MEGAN AS VICE CHAIR. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND LISA WITH A SECOND. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. AND THE MOTION IS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS, MEGAN. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, TOM. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DO YOU [CONSENT ITEMS] WANT TO DO NOW? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA. SO THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 26092 EIGHT MINUTES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2026. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION BY LISA. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. MARCIA WITH A SECOND. YOU GOT TO WATCH THOSE TWO BECAUSE THEY ARE IN ALL THE MOTIONS AND ALL THE SECONDS. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT. AND THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM HAS BEEN APPROVED. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR [HP2026-0093 Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Owner Stephen Keathley for a Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition of a Carport and Detached Shed Located at 415 W. Louisiana Street] AGENDA. THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER HP20260093. I BELIEVE THAT CARRIE HAS INDICATED THAT SHE IS RECUSING HERSELF FROM THIS DISCUSSION AND VOTE, SO SHE WILL BE ELSEWHERE. BANISHED HER TO THE KITCHEN, I THINK. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT IS CONSIDER DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY OWNER STEVEN KEITHLEY FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION OF A CARPORT AND DETACHED DETACHED SHED LOCATED AT 415 WEST LOUISIANA STREET. AND RAIN WILL MAKE THE PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. WELCOME TO THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS. IT'S A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU. YES. THIS EVENING WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF A DETACHED SHED AND A NON-HISTORIC CARPORT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 415 WEST LOUISIANA STREET. THE HOMEOWNER AND THEIR CONTRACT ARE HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE HISTORY OF THE HOME ITSELF, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED SOMETIME BETWEEN 1930 AND 1958, MOST LIKELY IN THE LATE 50S, AND IT'S A MEDIUM PRIORITY HOME. MEDIUM PRIORITY MEANS IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS, BUT ALTERATIONS HAVE DIMINISHED THE RESOURCES AND INTEGRITY. BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE [00:05:05] ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING THE HOUSE ITSELF. WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE NON-HISTORIC CARPORT AND THE DETACHED SHED. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE CARPORT. SO IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1990, THE TOP OF THE CARPORT. THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS ON HERE WHERE IT'S VERY DAMAGED. IT'S CAUSING WATER LEAKAGE. WARPING DEBRIS IS GATHERING IN THERE. IT'S ALSO CAUSING DAMAGE TO THE SIDING OF THE ACTUAL HISTORIC PROPERTY ITSELF. THERE'S A LOT OF ONGOING MAINTENANCE ISSUES. AND ALSO THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE ACCOMMODATING TALLER VEHICLES AS WELL. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES HERE. AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DETACHED SHED IN THE BACKYARD. SO IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. THE SHED ITSELF WAS PROBABLY CONSTRUCTED IN 1965. THE SANBORN MAPS HAVE IT PLACED WHERE A CURRENT LOCATION IS IN 1967. BUT COLIN CAT DOES HAVE A 1965. IT'S ONLY A TWO YEAR DIFFERENCE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DAMAGE HERE AS WELL. THERE ARE LARGE HOLES, DEEP CRACKS IN THE FLOOR, AN AREA IN THE REAR OF THE SHED HAS SUNK SIGNIFICANTLY, CAUSING DAMAGE TO THE FLOORS AND WALLS AND DAMAGE TO THE FRAME AND FOUNDATION FROM WATER INTRUSION. THERE ARE SOME MORE PICTURES OF THE SHED. YOU CAN SEE THAT LEAN GOING ON THERE IN THE BACK. SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION OF THE NON-HISTORIC CARPORT AND THE DETACHED SHED. NEITHER STRUCTURE OR CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THESE ARE INTEGRAL TO THE HISTORIC HOME ITSELF, AND STAFF DOES NOT FEEL IT WILL IMPACT THE PRIORITY RATING. THE BOARD HAS FOUR OPTIONS YOU CAN APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, DENY OR ISSUE A 90 DAY DELAY. AFTER THE 90 DAY DELAY, THE COA WOULD BE ISSUED. MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RENA? RENA, WHAT DID YOU SAY? THE PRIORITY OF THE HOME ITSELF IS THE HOME ITSELF IS MEDIUM. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IS THIS PRETTY TYPICAL TO HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR DEMOLITION? COME ON. THE SAME WHEN IT'S PART OF THE SAME PROJECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOT YOU. I KNOW MR. KEITHLEY IS HERE. DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? MISS, THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. OH, I WOULD SAY IS WE'VE OUR CONTRACTOR DOUBLE OUR CONSTRUCTION HAS LOOKED AT IT. WE'VE LOOKED TO SEE WHAT THE SALVAGE WOULD BE TO IT, TO PRIMARY ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY HARD TO GET AROUND WHEN IT'S BUILT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE RETAINING WALL OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, WHICH IS CAUSING A LOT OF THE PROBLEM. AND THERE IS NO ACTUAL FOUNDATION. IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT WITH POST AND BEAM CONSTRUCTION. THE POST HAD ROTTED AWAY. THEY PUT BOARDS SITTING ON GRAVEL UNDERNEATH JUST TO HOLD IT. SO TO TO EVEN REMEDIATE IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING APART TO POUR A FOUNDATION. SO WE JUST START OVER. QUESTIONS FOR MR. KEITHLEY. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS EITHER. I'M. I FEEL COMPELLED TO CALL FOR A MOTION. LISA. I'M SURE I'M. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE CARPORT AND THE SHED. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. GOT A SECOND BY MEGAN. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT. AND THE MOTION TO CARRY. IS APPROVED WITH SIX VOTES FOR. YES. AND THEN CARRIE RECUSING HERSELF. PUT HER IN THE CONE OF SILENCE. FOR ALL THOSE THAT REMEMBER, GET SMART. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER. NUMBER [HP2026-0094 Consider/Discuss/Act on the Request by Jarrod Branam for Approval of a Historic Marker for the Property Located at 1013 Howell Street] HP2026-0094. CONSIDER DISCUSSED ACT ON A REQUEST BY JARED BRANNAN. BRANHAM, EXCUSE ME FOR APPROVAL OF A HISTORIC MARKER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 101,013 HOWELL STREET IN RENO. ONCE AGAIN WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. YES. SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC MARKER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1013 HOUSE STREET. IT IS THE OTTENHAUSEN HOUSE. TO GIVE YOU [00:10:08] A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. AND YOU DID RECEIVE THE FULL PACKET WITH THE FULL NARRATIVE, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS THIS EVENING. BUT THE HOUSE ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1899 OF WOOD AND METAL CROSS GABLED. IT HAS A PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION WITH A CENTER HALL L-SHAPED PLAN. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE, AND IT IS A HIGH PRIORITY RATING, WHICH MEANS IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS. IS AN OUTSTANDING OR UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING OR CRAFTED DESIGN AND RETAINS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER AND CONTEXTUAL INTEGRITY. SO HERE ARE SOME CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE HOME. IT HAS THE FISHSCALE SHINGLES ON THE FRONT, CARVED WOOD PORCH POSTS AND CORBELS, AND TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS. SOME OF THE ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE HOUSE OVER TIME. AROUND THE 1950S, THE HOUSE WAS EXPANDED WITH A REAR ADDITION. IN 2005, A SECOND FLOOR ADDED ABOVE THE REAR HALF OF THE HOUSE. IN 2019, THERE WAS AN EXTENSIVE INTERIOR REMODEL PLUS FOUNDATION REPAIR AND ROOF REPLACEMENT. AND THEN IN 2026, THE FRONT PORCH WAS REHABILITATED. AND HERE'S SOME OF THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION. AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE FULL PACKET. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED ON LAND DEEDED BY J.G. HITCHCOCK'S TO JAMES MEREDITH WILCOX. AND MR. WILCOX IS THE ONE WHO HAD THE HOME BUILT IN NOVEMBER OF 1899. IT FIRST APPEARED ON THE SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS IN DECEMBER OF 1908, AND THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN HOME TO INFLUENTIAL LUMBERMEN, ATTORNEYS, PIONEER VETERANS, PROMINENT EDUCATORS, AND PRESERVATIONISTS. SOME NOTABLE FIGURES. MR. WILCOX MOVED TO MCKINNEY IN 1855 AND MARRIED NANCY THROCKMORTON, WHO WAS THE SISTER OF THE 12TH GOVERNOR OF TEXAS, MR. JAMES THROCKMORTON. MR. WILCOX ALSO ESTABLISHED THE WILCOX LUMBER COMPANY, 1881. IN 1903 IT WAS PURCHASED BY ATTORNEY WILLIAM ROBERTS ABERNATHY AND HIS WIFE. 1907 IT WAS PURCHASED BY HENRY OTTENHAUSEN. HE AND HIS WIFE AND KEPT THE HOUSE IN THE FAMILY FOR AROUND 60 YEARS. PURCHASED IN 1975 BY EDWARD AND JOAN HOUSTON, JOAN FOUNDED THE COLLIN COUNTY HERITAGE GUILD, AND IN MARCH 1983, MICHAEL KILGORE AND WIFE DEBORAH PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND DEBORAH WAS THE CURATOR OF THE COLLIN COUNTY HISTORY MUSEUM, AND MICHAEL WAS A SYSTEMS ANALYST AT TEXAS INSTRUMENTS. AND THEN HERE ARE SOME OF THE SANBORN MAPS. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE REALLY HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY MINOR CHANGES TO THE HOME OVER TIME, JUST A LITTLE BIT THERE ON THE REAR. AND THEN THESE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS OF THE CURRENT HOME. AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FOUND THAT IT DOES MEET THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MARKER AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RAINA? IS THE HOMEOWNER HERE? NOPE. OKAY. THEY'RE LEAVING IT UP TO US. ALRIGHTY. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. BEAUTIFUL. ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. I WONDER. I GUESS THE FOOTPRINT DIDN'T CHANGE VERY MUCH EVEN THOUGH THEY ADDED TO THE BACK OF IT. NO. SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE SANBORN MAPS IF I CAN. SO IF YOU LOOK AT 1967, THEY'RE IN THE REAR, I BELIEVE. WELL, IN 1922, I GUESS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHEN THE ADDITION WAS PUT ON, BUT THAT HAS BASICALLY BEEN BEEN IT, WHICH IS PRETTY REMARKABLE FOR A HOUSE BUILT IN 1899. TINY ADDITION RIGHT THERE. YEAH, NOT MUCH AT ALL. THEY'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB. YES. BEAUTIFUL. DEBORAH WOULD BE PROUD. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST. IS THERE A SECOND? I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT. KIM, WELCOME TO THE GAME. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE THEN. THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS [00:15:05] THAT CONSENT AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE THE CASE. ALL RIGHT. DO BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF HAVE ANY [BOARD AND MANAGER COMMENTS] FURTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS? OH GOODNESS GRACIOUS. YOU KNOW I DO. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE THE BOARD RECEIVED OUR CALENDARS LAST MONTH, AND I AM EXCITED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE CALENDAR IS FOCUSED ON EAST MCKINNEY HOMES. AND I WAS EXTRA EXCITED TO SEE THAT ONE OF MY CLASSMATES THAT I KNEW SINCE KINDERGARTEN, WHO IS A RESIDENT OR NOT, IS CURRENTLY, BUT GREW UP ON THE EAST SIDE ALONGSIDE ME. HE WAS THE ARTIST THAT DESIGNED THE CALENDAR, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT IN CASE NO ONE NOTICED THAT ERIC RODRIGUEZ AND THE COVER PHOTO OF ON THE CALENDAR IS A DRAWING THAT HE DID OF THE HOUSE HE GREW UP IN, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL. SO IT'S SPECIAL TO HAVE THAT INPUT. AND I'M GLAD THAT WE WENT IN THAT DIRECTION FOR THE CALENDAR. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. THAT'S VERY SPECIAL. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S A BRILLIANT IDEA. THAT WAS ACTUALLY IT WASN'T MINE. I THINK IT WAS CASSIE'S. SO I HAVE I WORK, I WORK FOR THE COUNTY AND I PUT THAT CALENDAR UP. I'VE, I'VE ONLY BEEN WITH THE COUNTY FOR FIVE YEARS. I WAS JC PENNEY CORPORATE FOR 38. BUT NEW NEW, NEW NEW NEW ERA. BUT THE CALENDAR IS FRONT AND CENTER WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT. I LOVE IT AND IT'S IT'S ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE. IT'S REALLY ONE OF THEIR FAVORITE THINGS. IT'S SPECIAL. IT'S A GOOD STORY. GOOD TO HAVE. SO TONIGHT, I BELIEVE IS THE RECEPTION, RIGHT. IT'S FROM 6 TO 8. SO I'M GOING TO STALL FOR ANOTHER 12 MINUTES SO WE CAN. LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE RANGERS. NO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ANY ANYTHING FROM YOU GUYS. I WOULD SAY WELCOME TO KIM AND VALERIE. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU GUYS. YES. DID YOU GUYS APPLY DID YOU APPLY. YES. BECAUSE I GOT ROPED IN WITHOUT APPLYING. AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GO TO THE RECEPTION TONIGHT, BECAUSE I HAVE SOME PEOPLE I WANT TO TALK TO. I DID HAVE A QUESTION, ACTUALLY, CASSIE, ON THE LAST MEETING, I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT OUR PUTTING TOGETHER SOME DEMOLITION. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. SOMEONE ELSE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. LIKE CRITERIA AREA THAT WE AS A BOARD MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BUSY. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT BACK UP AND SEE IF WE CAN HAVE THAT TO DISCUSS MAYBE OR LOOK AT OR SOMETHING AS A BOARD. YEAH, WE CAN GET THAT PREPARED FOR NEXT MONTH. OKAY, COOL. THANK YOU. SO WE ARE STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE ITEM THAT WAS TABLED. RIGHT. BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AT THIS MEETING. SO THEY'LL THEY'LL COME BACK ONCE THEY HAVE THE MATERIALS READY. OKAY. WHICH MAKES SENSE. WILL THEY HAVE TO THEN APPLY THROUGH YOU GUYS? I GUESS THEY WILL. WE'LL JUST SHOW UP. YEAH. YEAH. WE HAVE TO PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA. THEY WILL BE POSTED. JUST KIND OF SAUNTER IN. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. HAVE YOU HAVE YOU GIVEN THAT ANY MORE THOUGHT? WHAT THE CRITERIA CRITERIA FOR APPROVING OR DENYING? I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, MAYBE FOR THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOME THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT LOOK AT AS STAFF. THAT WAY WE COULD THEN REVIEW IT AS A BOARD AND DECIDE WHAT WE. FEEL IS RELEVANT OR IMPORTANT. I KNOW FOR ME, THE THE BIGGEST CRITERIA WAS JUST GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO SEEK OUT ALTERNATIVE METHODS BEFORE. APPLYING FOR DEMOLITION OR BEING APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION. WELL, I'M SURE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING FOR IT TO BE CLEAR TO US, BUT I'M SURE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL. THE APPLICANTS. EXACTLY RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME. AND IT'S AND I WANT IT TO BE A NON EMOTIONAL DECISION. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT ENDS UP BEING AN EMOTIONAL DECISION. SO IF THERE IS CRITERIA AND I REALIZE THAT THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCES. IT'S NOT RIGHT AS TO WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO. BUT I, I KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE I WANT TO FIND NUMBERS. THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS BRING UP THE SAME THING WRONGLY ABOUT. ABOUT WHAT IT COSTS TO, OR WHAT IT WOULD COST TO A HARDSHIP CASE FOR DEMOLITION. YEAH. RIGHT. I AGREE, AND I THINK A COMPARISON OF THE COST OF [00:20:08] DEMOLITION VERSUS REHABILITATION WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S HARD TO GET FROM JUST A AN EXPLORATORY STAND. BUT EVEN AN ESTIMATION I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, YEAH. IS IT SUBSTANTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, A RESTORATION? YES, YES. I MEAN, TYPICALLY, YES. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO JUST SEE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TEARING DOWN HISTORIC PROPERTIES WILLY NILLY JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN. YEAH. THEY CAN BUILD SOMETHING, A MCMANSION. WE DON'T WANT MCMANSIONS. YEAH. RIGHT. EXACTLY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT BEING THE CASE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING. THANK YOU. MARSHA, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY CARRIE? ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT. AND THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.