Nov 05, 2026 Historic Preservation Advisory Board

[CALL TO ORDER]

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IF YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND WISH TO SPEAK DURING A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK THAT YOU BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND SPEAK ONLY ONCE, IF NECESSARY, TO CLARIFY OR TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS POSED BY THE AUDIENCE. CITY STAFF WILL BE CALLED UPON TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE.

THE BOARD REQUESTS THAT WE TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT. FOCUS ON THE ISSUES. BE CONCISE IN YOUR COMMENTS AND AVOID OVERTALKING THE ISSUE. WE ALL WANT TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY, WHILE MAINTAINING THE HERITAGE AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE NONPUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEMS?

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LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO

[HP2026-0085 Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Owner Jack Ferrell for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the Demolition of the Residential Structure Located at 803 Largent Street]

DISCUSS ACT ON A REQUEST BY OWNER JACK FARRELL FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 803 LARGENT STREET AND RAIN WILL MAKE IT. RAIN WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, BOARD MEMBERS. YES, I HAVE MY TEA. I'M GOING TO BE STANDING UP HERE FOR A MINUTE THIS EVENING. IT'S TOTALLY FINE.

TOTALLY FINE. SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 803 LARGENT. AND JUST FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE NEW, WHO DIDN'T SEE THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. AND JUST AS A REFRESHER, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, BUT JUST KNOW THAT ORIGINALLY THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 3RD FOR THAT BOARD MEETING, AND IT WAS TABLED PER REQUEST OF THE BOARD FOR THE HOMEOWNERS TO OBTAIN MORE INFORMATION, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE. AND THEY ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. BUT WE'LL START HERE WITH THIS ONE. SO THIS PROPERTY. 803 LARGENT, MAYBE WE'RE. THERE WE GO. SO THE HOME ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1950 IN THE RANCH STYLE IN THE 2023 HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY, IT WAS CONCLUDED TO BE A MEDIUM PRIORITY, WHICH MEANS IT CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO LOCAL HISTORY OR BROADER HISTORICAL PATTERNS. BUT ALTERATIONS HAVE DIMINISHED THE RESOURCES INTEGRITY. AND THEN THESE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOS OF EARLIER ELEVATIONS. JUST AGAIN, TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY. AND THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE HOME IS CURRENTLY IN CONCRETE FOUNDATION. UNLEVEL SUPPORT PIERS, THE PERIMETER FOOTING, THE FLOORING, ALL, ALL OF THE THINGS TERMITE DAMAGE, DRAINAGE, ROOF DECAY, MOLD AND MOISTURE WINDOW LEAK. HERE'S SOME MORE PICTURES. AND SO STAFF'S EARLIER RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON THESE FOUR STANDARDS. STANDARD TWO, WHICH SAYS HISTORIC CHARACTER OF PROPERTY SHALL BE RETAINED AND PRESERVED, THE REMOVAL OF

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DRIVE THE ASSOCIATED INVESTMENT WELL INTO EXCESS OF MARKET VALUES. FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF BEAM AND PIER, FOUNDATION SUBFLOOR, AND SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS OF THE EXISTING FLOOR.

SO YOU CAN SEE I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THESE TO YOU, BUT YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE BULLET POINTS OF EVERYTHING THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO REHABILITATE THIS HOME. HERE IS WHAT THE FOUNDATION RECONSTRUCTION FLOOR PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE. ALL THE BEAMS, JOISTS, RIM JOIST WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED. FULL RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THERE IS COMPLETE FAILURE OF THE EXISTING WOOD FRAMING, EXPOSING AND REPLACING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED. THE SILL PLATE AROUND THE PERIMETER HAS COLLAPSED IN AREAS AND MUST BE REMOVED AND REPLACED. THE WOOD TREATMENT AND REPAINTING. THERE WAS VINYL SIDING ON IT.

IT WOULD NEED TO BE REPAIRED, REPLACED OR REMOVED TO FULLY REMEDIATE THE EXISTING BUILDING.

AGAIN, THEY DID PUT THE COST ESTIMATES IN HERE AS PER THE BOARD'S REQUEST. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WOULD BE 35% MORE TO THAN REPLICATING THE EXISTING HOUSE WITH A COMPLETELY NEW STRUCTURE. THEY ALSO INCLUDED SOME COMPARABLE MARKET VALUES. AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO CONSIDER. THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, BUT THEY DID INCLUDE IT. AND AGAIN, CURRENT CONDITIONS AND ALL OF THE ESTIMATES THAT WERE IN THERE AND MORE PHOTOS AS WELL. SO YOU CAN SEE THE COST. BUT AGAIN, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME. AND SO THE BOARD DOES HAVE FOUR

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ANYONE ELSE? YES. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, AND I KNOW THE BOARD DOES AS WELL. HAVING LOOKED AT THE HOUSE, I WAS STRUCK WITH SEVERAL CONCERNS I HAD FOR YOU, THE OWNER. I WANT TO SUGGEST ONLY THINGS THAT ARE OPTIMALLY FINANCIALLY POSSIBLE, AND I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE OBSTACLES UNNECESSARILY PLACED IN FRONT OF THEM. HAVING DONE THIS KIND OF WORK FOR MANY YEARS, I HAVE NOTICED THAT SOMETIMES WHEN THE FLOOR IS GONE AND OTHER ISSUES ARE THERE WITH THE SITE, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL SITE AND DEEP, THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OVERLOOKED. I LOOKED FURTHER AT THE SITE AND SAW THAT IN DEPTH. IT HAS ALMOST TWO PROPERTIES IN ONE, WHICH IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE OWNER. AND I LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT THE CURRENT GARAGE IS PRETTY MUCH IN THE WAY OF THAT DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING FOR A FULL HOME DEVELOPMENT OF THE SINGLE LOT AS IT IS NOW PLANTED. THE CONCERN I HAVE FOR THE OWNER AS AN ARCHITECT IS TO SAY, AS I HAVE EXPERIENCED IN AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN OTHER HOUSES OF THIS TYPE, IS TO CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF LIFTING THE EXISTING HOUSE WHILE DIMINISHING THE GARAGE, RECONFIGURING AND THEN BASICALLY PLACING A NEW FLOOR AND FRAMING UNDER IT, KNOWING THAT THE WALL FRAMING AND ROOF FRAMING ARE NOT INCIDENTAL COSTS IN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. HAVING DONE THAT PREVIOUSLY AT THE CORNER OF BINGE AND HUNT AT THE BLUE HOUSE THAT WAS OWNED ORIGINALLY BY BOOT HILL, A HISTORIC HOME, THE GARAGE WAS COMPLETELY DERELICT IN THE BACK NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT WE LIFTED IT UP AND HAD NO FOUNDATION UNDER IT. WE PUT A NEW FRAMING AND A SECOND FLOOR ON IT SAVED SIGNIFICANTLY. IN DOING SO. I ONLY URGE CAUTION BECAUSE SOMETIMES CAUTION LEADS TO ECONOMY, AND I CONGRATULATE YOU ON THE WORK YOU'VE DONE AND DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE, NOR MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR DECISION MAKING. ONLY SOMETIMES IT'S BEST TO BE SLOW AND CAUTIOUS IN GOING FORWARD SO THAT YOU REALIZE THE GREATEST BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. CURRENTLY, I'M WORKING ON A SMALL HOUSE, WHICH I'VE SHOWN TO ARINA RAYNA. FURTHER DOWN THE BLOCK IS A SMALL HOUSE FOR A WIDOW LADY WHO CAN'T AFFORD ANYTHING FURTHER. SO IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT TO ME THAT ALL THE HOUSES IN THAT AREA HAVE A CERTAIN VALUE FOR THE CURRENT OWNERS THAT ARE THERE, AND I DO NOT WANT TO DETRACT BY MAKING SOMETHING THAT'S INOPPORTUNE FOR THE CURRENT OWNER OF THIS HOUSE OR THE OTHER OWNERS IN THE AREA. I THINK THERE ARE WAYS OF WORKING THESE THINGS OUT TO THE BENEFIT OF THE OWNERS AND THE COMMUNITY, AND I ONLY BRING THESE THINGS UP TO YOU IN GOOD CONSCIENCE BECAUSE I WANT YOU NOT TO BE OBSTRUCTED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. JAMES. ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, WE HAVE ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE OWNER PRESENTS TO FOR COMMENT. FOR BOARD COMMENT. YES, YES. IT WON'T CLOSE OUT UNTIL I CALL FOR A VOTE, A MOTION. OKAY. JACK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME ON UP. REINA CAN TAKE HER TEA AND DO WHATEVER SHE WANTS WITH IT. YEAH, WE WE HAD A SHORT MEETING LAST WEEK. LAST TIME, JACK. FIRST, THANKS YOU FOR ALL THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT YOU'VE

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YES. IT'S VERY I CERTAINLY WANTED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE VOICED LAST TIME WE GOT TOGETHER. SPECIFICALLY, I WAS ASKED TO GO CUT ANOTHER HOLE IN THE OTHER END OF THE HOUSE TO ADDRESS THE FULL FOUNDATION, WHICH WE DID, AND WITH THE ABILITY TO SEE THROUGH THE NEW ACCESS POINTS. THE CONCLUSION WAS IT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE A FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOUNDATION. SO. AND THE ASSOCIATED COSTS. SO WE HAD GOTTEN A BID EARLIER OF 42,000 TO DO THAT, AS BEFORE, THE FRENCH DRAIN OR TAKING ANY DIRT OUT. AND THE NEW BID CAME IN AT 57,000. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW COSTS CAN ESCALATE ONCE YOU GET INTO A PROJECT, AND CERTAINLY INCREMENTALLY AS DIFFERENT THINGS ARE DISCOVERED, THAT WHEN YOU COME IN WITH A BUDGET, EXPECTATIONS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY CAN MOVE AROUND. SO THAT WAS ONE. MISS BRIAN ROBERTSON I KNOW YOU WANTED TO SEE THE VINYL, WHAT WAS UNDERNEATH THE VINYL SIDING AND INDEED ITS WOOD CLADDING, VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE AGE AND OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A PEELING PAINT THERE. AND SO AS I THINK ABOUT WHERE THE OWNERS WERE AT THAT TIME, THEY THEY DID ADDRESS THAT BY ENCAPSULATING THAT WITH VINYL SIDING. I GOT TO THINK THAT WAS A BIG REASON WHY THEY DID WHAT THEY DID. BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT SHOWS THAT WE EITHER GOT TO FIX THE EXISTING SIDING, OR WE WOULD HAVE TO REMEDIATE ALL THAT PAINT, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE. AND TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION OF WHAT CAN WE RETAIN THAT CLADDING IS, IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE CAN RETAIN, JUST GIVEN THE PAINT THAT'S ON THERE AND HAVING TO A LOT OF THESE OLDER HOMES HAVE LEAD PAINT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO PAINTED OVER SO THAT THAT ENCAPSULATES IT. YOU CAN SEE FROM SOME OF THE PICTURES HERE THAT THE PAINT IS JUST STRIPPING OFF THE EAVES AND THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE UNDERNEATH THE PORCH. SO IT'S REALLY NOT SOMETHING WE CAN JUST TAKE A, TAKE A NEW COAT OVER. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THAT WAS ANOTHER ISSUE. ANOTHER ISSUE IS, MISS HAMMOND, WHAT CAN WE RETAIN FROM THE EXISTING HOME? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE? AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE WOOD FLOOR UPON REVIEW WITH SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS, THEY DETERMINED THAT WAS AN AFTERMARKET FLOOR INSERT JUST GIVEN THE LENGTH OF THE BOARDS, THE BRAND OF THE MAKER THAT WAS STAMPED UNDERNEATH THE FLOORING. SO THAT IS VERY MUCH A FLOORING THAT YOU CAN GET AT HOME DEPOT TODAY. THAT WAS AFTERMARKET. AND SO AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD RETAIN, IT'S REALLY MAYBE THE VINYL SIDING ON THERE, WHICH I DEEM AS NON-HISTORIC. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE THE JUDGE AND ALL THAT. I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S BROKEN WINDOWS THERE. ALUMINUM. I DON'T THINK WE CAN RETAIN THOSE. SO AND THE ROOF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. SO I REALLY STRUGGLED TO FIND COMPONENTS WITHIN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN RETAIN. BUT I DO WANT TO COME BACK TO THAT AND I WILL IN A SECOND. AND MISS ESCAMILLA, YOU WANTED QUOTES ON WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, AND I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU NOT TO FOCUS ON THE SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CHANGE BETWEEN WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO A NEW BUILD VERSUS A RECONSTRUCTION.

YEAH. AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT WHERE THAT IS COMPARED TO MARKET COMPS. WHAT WILL THE MARKET BEAR? I MEAN, THERE'S A HOUSE AT THE END OF THE STREET THAT YOU'VE SEEN THIS FOR SALE.

IT'S A TWO ONE. IT'S BEEN FOR SALE FOR OVER SIX MONTHS. THAT HAS NOT MOVED AT ABOUT 355. SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A, A MARKET COMPONENT, MARKET VALUATION COMPONENT TO THAT. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE QUOTES THAT WE GOT AND EVERYTHING THAT I SYNTHESIZED HELP YOU ASSESS THAT. DEFINITELY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MR. WEST, I KNOW YOU YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL HOMES CAN BE REMODELED. AND, AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT, BUT I'M WORKING WITHIN I'M NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE AS MY PRIMARY HOUSE. I UNDERSTAND PRIMARY RESIDENCE. SO I'M KIND OF WORKING WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE, REALITY. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY REBUILD THAT HOUSE AND WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE TO DO IT, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE MAKE SENSE TO ME AS AN INVESTOR TO, TO DO THAT. SO BASICALLY, THESE ARE ALL ROADBLOCKS TO

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IT'S JUST GOING TO BE NEW, SAME MATERIAL, THE HISTORICAL STYLE, THE WINDOWS. PIECE OF PAPER, VERY MUCH IN FAVOR. THE HISTORICAL STYLE, THE WINDOW SHUTTERS ARE HISTORICAL RAILROAD. THEY WERE NOT INVITED TO THE MEETING, BUT THEY HAVE A BIGGER MICROPHONE TO DO IT AFTER IT GETS DARK. I WOULD KNOW MY DOG DOES NOT APPRECIATE THAT. OTHER ELEMENTS INCLUDE JUST CLEAN, SIMPLE LINES AND AND PORCHES ON THE FRONT AND BACK. SO THESE ARE ALL ELEMENTS THAT WERE PART OF THE 1950S RANCH STYLE HOMES. WE WE WOULD ADD THE BUTTRESSES HERE. THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S ON THE STREETS, ON THE EXISTING HOME. WE WOULD CERTAINLY ADD THAT TO TO MAINTAIN THAT. SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CARRY THAT SPIRIT FORWARD. THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE NEW, BUT THE STRUCTURES, THE EXISTING HOMES SPIRIT WOULD WOULD BE RENEWED.

IT WOULD BE NEW BUT STILL TRYING TO RETAIN THAT ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY THAT I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WANTS TO SEE. SO I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE AT THIS POINT TO TO WHAT I PUT TOGETHER. EXCUSE ME, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU PEELED BACK SOME OF THE VINYL TO SEE WHAT EXISTS UNDERNEATH. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. NO MORE QUESTIONS. JACK, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ALL YOUR EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS. YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW WE ALL HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK OUT, YOU KNOW, MORE SOLIDLY THIS AFTERNOON OR THIS EVENING, WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD FOR FUTURE, YOU KNOW, DEMOLITION REQUESTS. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING OUR GUINEA PIG THROUGH THAT. I KNOW IT WAS A LOT TO ASK, SO I WELL, IT'S NOT JUST ME. I HAD CONTRACTORS OUT THERE THAT SPENT TIME ON THIS THAT TOOK THE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER QUOTES. I HAD THE FOUNDATION GUY OUT HERE. I HAD A PAINT GUY. LET ME TELL YOU, THESE CONTRACTORS SEE THIS HOUSE AND THEIR MOUTH STARTS WATERING. THEY ARE LIKE, WE. WHEN ARE WE STARTING? WE HAVE A LOT TO DO HERE. YEAH. SO AND THAT'S AND I DID I HAD A LOT OF FOLKS COME OUT THAT SPENT TIME ON THIS. THAT'S DEFINITELY WHAT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS TO, TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME EFFORT PUT INTO WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S, I THINK, SOMETHING ALL OF US APPRECIATE. YES. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. EVERYTHING OKAY? ALL RIGHT. I THINK DISCUSSION IS WARRANTED. WARRANTED. I APPRECIATE PEOPLE PROVIDING THEIR THEIR VIEWS OR THEIR THOUGHTS ON THIS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VALUABLE TO GET ALL THAT OUT THERE BEFORE WE CALL FOR A VOTE. YEAH. AND BRIAN, YOU'RE READY TO GO. I COULD START, I THINK, PART OF OUR PURVIEW OF WHERE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD IN THAT NAME IS PRESERVATION, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S IT'S HISTORIC. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS HISTORIC? WHAT ARE WE PRESERVING? I BELIEVE THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE PRESERVE INDIVIDUAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. WE, WE, WE PRESERVE WOOD AND VICTORIAN HOMES. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE 1920S AND 30S DESIGN GETS GETS ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC. I'VE SEEN I'VE APPRECIATED THIS BOARD ALSO CONSIDERS 5060. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S DIFFERENT, I GUESS, TIME PERIODS THAT DESERVE TO BE PRESERVED. I THINK OF SOME OTHER THINGS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE HISTORIC

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THE BOARDS CONTINUE TO ROT AND DETERIORATE. AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE HISTORIANS KEEP, YOU KNOW, GRAFTING IN NEW WOOD TO THIS OLD VIKING SHIP OR WHATEVER. AND AT WHAT POINT IS IT A REPLICA, AND AT WHAT POINT IS IT THE SHIP OF THE ORIGINAL SHIP OF THESEUS? AND SO I, YOU KNOW, ON ONE EXTREME END WHAT I THINK WHAT MAKES HOUSES LIKE THIS VALUABLE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF 100% OF HOUSES, IF WE APPROVED EVERYBODY, THIS WOULD NOT BE A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, STONE BRIDGE OR SOME OF OUR OTHER, YOU KNOW, EL DORADO. I LIVE IN THE 80S, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE COULD SAY THAT'S THE EXTREME AS A BOARD. AND THEN THERE IS THE PURVIEW OF WE'RE ALL CITIZENS HERE. WE LOVE VIBRANT URBAN REGENERATION. WE SEE THE ECONOMICS HERE. WE WANT TAXABLE VALUE AND OUR DISTRICTS. WE WANT NEW RESIDENTS. AND WE DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE UNDUE BURDEN ON, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M ALSO AN ARCHITECT LIKE JAMES. WE KNOW THE THE FINANCIAL REALITIES.

YOU CAN'T BUST A BUDGET. AND THERE'S A CERTAIN TIPPING POINT WHERE SOMETHING WORKS. SO I'M WEIGHING I KNOW WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THE REPLACEMENT HOUSE. TO ME, THAT'S A YOU KNOW, WILL THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE VOTE YES. AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M SITTING HERE READY. WE WOULD GET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO. WHAT'S THE PROCESS? THEY WORK WITH STAFF ON THE ZONING, THE SETBACKS, THE A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AND A LOT. SO I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE ATTEMPT TO TRY TO KEEP THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER TO ME. YOU KNOW, THIS THIS DOUBLES THE SQUARE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS NOT A RANCH HOUSE TO ME. BUT IF THIS IS WHAT MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CERTAINLY MATTERS WHEN WE'RE PRESERVING A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. AGAIN, IF EVERY HOUSE ON THE STREET DOUBLED IN SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW THAT. DID THAT STREET RETAIN ITS HISTORICAL CHARACTER? SO. I MIGHT EVEN SPEAK AGAIN. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF THROW MY PERSPECTIVE OF TRYING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR PERSONAL FEELINGS ASIDE AND GO, OUR JOB IS TO PRESERVE. AND A CITY. MCKINNEY HAS NEW BUILDINGS ALL THROUGHOUT OUR DISTRICT ALL THE TIME. SO I'M WEIGHING. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOME MORE DISCUSSION. THAT SHIP. WHEN IS IT A REPLICA AND WHEN IS IT? NO, NO, I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU COULD DO THAT. THAT APPLIES TO INDIVIDUAL HOUSES AND RENOVATIONS. AND WE ALSO HAVE TO WEIGH THAT TO THE. NOBODY WOULD BE SAILING THAT SHIP ANYTIME SOON THOUGH. YES. YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CASSIE OR REINA. I JUST LOOKED UP THE THE HISTORIC RESOURCES MAP AND IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE MAP IT'S SHOWING THAT THE HOME IS A LOW PRIORITY. BUT IN THE PRESENTATION IT SAID MEDIUM. SO I WANTED TO VERIFY WHAT IS THE.

SO THE 2023 HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY DOES HAVE IT AS A MEDIUM PRIORITY. SOMETIMES THE.

WHATEVER IS PULLED FOR THE GIS MAP. SOMETIMES IT CAN BE A LITTLE CRANKY. MAYBE. OKAY, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CHECK BECAUSE I WAS LIKE LOW OR MEDIUM. I'M SORRY. IT'S MEDIUM, IT'S MEDIUM, IT'S MEDIUM. OKAY. OKAY. LISA. MY COMMENT. WELL, FIRSTLY, YES, I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT PUT INTO, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIALS. I JUST LOOK AT

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I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN MASSIVE EXPANSIONS OF HISTORIC PROPERTY.

SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M VACILLATING. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL NEW BUILD? YES, YES. SO YES, THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THAT IS WE MAY NEVER SEE THAT BECAUSE IT'LL GO THROUGH OKAY. CITY STAFF THROUGH CASSIE AND REIGNING REINA. AND IF IT IS, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE THE GUIDELINES SAY THE INTENTION IS NOT TO MAKE IT LOOK HISTORIC. THE INTENTION IS FOR IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S NICE, RIGHT? AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT? YEAH. FOR NEW BUILDS, YOU WANT IT TO BE OF ITS TIME, BUT COMPATIBLE. WHAT I WILL SAY IS THIS APPLICATION IS STRICTLY ONLY FOR THE DEMOLITION. OKAY. RIGHT. IT'S THIS WOULD BE A TOTALLY SEPARATE APPLICATION. GOT IT. SO WE HAD, WE HAD A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE HAD SOMETHING WHERE WE KIND OF GOT AHEAD OF OURSELVES AND WE WERE SOMEBODY WANTED TO DEMOLISH A NUMBER OF HOUSES AND MOVE A HOUSE. AND WE ASKED, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT'S GOING IN IN ITS PLACE? AND REALLY, THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT IT SEEMED KIND OF NECESSARY INFORMATION.

I APPRECIATE THAT MR. FARRELL WOULD PUT THAT OUT THERE. I'M FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT.

THEY ARE. THEY CONSIDER THE LOCATION AND THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR THAT LOCATION. FROM NOT A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THAT. YES. WHAT WE'RE CONSIDER IS OBVIOUSLY IS DEMOLITION. AND DO WE THINK THAT AS A BOARD, WE WOULD DISAGREE WITH CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? AND I THINK THE ONLY RECOMMENDED ONLY BASIS. YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UNDER WHICH YOU WOULD AGREE WOULD BE IF IT WAS A STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND AND A DANGER TO PEOPLE, RIGHT? CORRECT. OTHERWISE, THE THE GUIDELINES THAT WE GO BY WOULD REQUIRE, THEREFORE, THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION SAY NO REHABILITATED BECAUSE IT'S HISTORIC PROPERTY. CORRECT. AND THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, THE STANDARDS THAT WE BASED OUR RECOMMENDATION ON. YES. YES. EXACTLY. RIGHT. SO REGARDLESS OF OF THE CONDITION, UNLESS IT'S FALL DOWN DANGEROUS, YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND IT REHABILITATE. AND I APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING OR WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THINKING ABOUT. MARCIA, DID YOU HAVE MORE? THANK YOU. LISA, BY THE WAY. NO, I REALLY DON'T. BUT THANK YOU, JAMES, YOU'VE SAID YOUR PIECE. DO YOU WANT TO SAY MORE? YOU SAID YOU SAID A WHOLE BUNCH. I DON'T THINK I SHOULD MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENT. WE DO APPRECIATE THE OWNERS EFFORTS AND WE DON'T WANT TO OBSTRUCT THEIR PROGRESS. WE WANT TO SEE THEM SUCCEED WITH THEIR PROPOSAL. AND THE QUESTION IS ALWAYS IN MY MIND, HAVING DONE THIS SO MANY TIMES IS THAT EVERY TIME I THROW SOMETHING AWAY, I WISH I HADN'T. AND SO BEFORE YOU THROW IT AWAY, BE SURE YOU CHECK IT OUT. AND I'M REMINDED THAT CURRENTLY THE BUDGET FOR THE DALLAS CITY HALL REMODELING IS $1 BILLION, WHICH I THINK IS TOTALLY SUSPECT. SO IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTRACTORS YOU TALK ABOUT AND WITH WHOM YOU ARE DEALING WITH FOR THE OBJECTIVE BIDDING. SO BE CAREFUL FOR YOUR SAKE, YOUR OWN SAKES. THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING OUT FOR AND FOR THE COMMUNITY.

IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'LL BE DOING THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. JAMES KERRY. YES, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE LEGWORK. I KNOW WHAT KIND OF TIME THAT TAKES TO GO EXPLORE WITH CONTRACTORS. WHAT A REHABILITATION OF A PROJECT LIKE YOURS WOULD TAKE. AND BEING THE OWNER OF A 1907 HOUSE, I TRULY UNDERSTAND THE COSTS OF REHABILITATION VERSUS BUILDING NEW AND SYMPATHETIC. SYMPATHETIC TO THAT, I. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE EXPLORATION OF A PROJECT THAT MR. WEST HAS HAS PRESCRIBED. I THINK THAT TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO SAVE IT. AND YES, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COST OF THAT MAY BE HIGHER. BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S A A COMMITMENT THAT MANY OF US MAKE WHEN WE INVEST IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND TO KEEP THIS DISTRICT TRULY HISTORIC. I'VE, I THINK, SAID MY PIECE. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, JUST. SURE.

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QUESTION THAT IS NOT NOT YOUR OBJECTIVE. WHAT I'VE NOTICED WAS THAT IN THAT DEEP LOT, IF ONE REMOVED THE GARAGE, YOU HAD ACCESS TO THE. THE FULL EXTENSION OF THE HOUSE IN THE REAR, WHICH WOULD BE VERY ECONOMICAL ON A SINGLE SINGLE FLOOR, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT MY EXPERIENCE IS RELATIVE TO THE TWO STORY CONSTRUCTION IS THAT IT IS LESS EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT THAN ADDING A SECOND FLOOR. WHEN YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS, SINGLE STORY STRUCTURES. IN THE PAST, I'VE SEEN HOUSES OF THIS KIND WHERE THE FLOOR IS COMPLETELY GONE AND I'VE LIFTED THEM UP AND I'VE PUT NEW FRAMING IN AND PUT NEW FOUNDATION UNDER WHILE I WAS LIFTED UP ON. I'VE JUST DONE THAT WITH LOCAL CONTRACTORS VERY SUCCESSFULLY. I DO NOT WANT TO PROMULGATE PAIN FOR YOU. I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING WHEN I SEE A WALL, I SEE A WALL THAT CAN BE USED, I USE IT. WHEN I DON'T, I RELENT AND GIVE GIVE WAY. AND I COULD GO INTO DETAIL IN EVERY RESPECT WITH YOU IN THAT REGARD, BUT YOU'RE DOING THAT WITH A VERY CAPABLE ARCHITECT RIGHT NOW. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS SIMPLY ADVISE CAUTION FOR YOUR BENEFIT ON THE HOUSE, ON BRADLEY, PARDON ME AT BINGE AT HUNT WAS A HISTORIC HOME BUILT BY ONE OF THE HILL HILL BROTHERS WHO LIVED IN MCKINNEY, DOCTOR HILL'S FAMILY THAT GOES BACK TO THE CIVIL WAR PERIOD. AND THERE WE HAD A HOUSE THAT COULD BE LIFTED AND REPAIRED AND THE. AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE OUTSIDE WAS BUILT FOR CARRIAGE, AND WE. THE MAN WANTED TO PUT A PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIO THERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND I SAID, WELL, IT'S NOT FAR. HE SAID, WELL, I WANT TO DO IT RIGHT THERE. SO WE LIFTED IT UP ON JACKS, PUT A NEW CONCRETE FLOOR UNDER IT, PUT A SECOND FLOOR ON IT, AND HE'S AS HAPPY AS A LARK BECAUSE HE SAVED THE WALL FRAMING AND SUCH AS THAT. I'M REALLY GOING INTO SUCH DETAIL ONLY TO ENTERTAIN FOR YOU ALWAYS THE OPTION THAT WHEN YOU WILLFUL WASTE MAKES FOR WOEFUL WANT. AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE WOEFUL WANT IN ANY WAY, NOT FROM ME OR FROM THE COST OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION. IS THAT CLEAR? I THINK. ARE YOU SUGGESTING, JAMES, THAT THEY RETAIN AS MANY WALLS AS THEY CAN IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THEN UTILIZE THE PORTION OF THE LAND SPACE THAT ELLS BACK AWAY AND L FARM PLAN AN L PLAN WOULD BE VERY REASONABLE. YOU COULD TUCK THE GARAGE AROUND BACK WHERE IT'S NOT SO UNSIGHTLY. YOU CAN DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS WITH THE REAR YARD. THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO ANOTHER PROJECT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON OVER ON BENCH. I MEAN BRADLEY FURTHER OVER. WELL, THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS, AS I TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, WAS TO WAS PERHAPS FIND A WAY TO DO A DUPLEX. YES, SIR. BEHIND THAT ORIGINAL HOUSE. AND THERE'S, THERE'S ABOUT 16FT OF, OF CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND I REMEMBER STUDYING SOMETHING THAT WITH ADJOINING GARAGE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT LONG AGO. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT. WELL, THE INTENT WAS THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO DO A STRUCTURE IN THE BACK THAT THAT WOULD PROVIDE, YOU COULD UTILIZE THAT HUGE DEEP BE ABLE TO DO THAT. YEAH.

BUT YOU TAKE AWAY THAT GARAGE, WHICH IS NOW AN OBSTACLE TO GETTING TO THAT BACKYARD. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BOARD SINCE IT WAS AN ADDITION ANYWAY, APPARENTLY THE EXISTING GARAGE, THE EXISTING GARAGE. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS IT'S IT'S APPEARED SEPARATELY, BUT IT'S GOT A CEMENT FOUNDATION. WHETHER IT WAS ADDED AFTERWARDS, IT HAS A CEMENT DRIVE IT TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF IT. I MEAN, THAT WAS VERY TYPICAL OF RANCH HOMES. IT WAS A ONE CAR GARAGE, AS IT MAY ORIGINAL OR OTHERWISE. OVERALL, I WOULD SAY THAT IN MY MIND THERE IS A SOLUTION, BUT MY MIND IS NOT YOUR MIND AND IT IS YOUR FREEDOM AS A CITIZEN. DO AS YOU PLEASE. I'M MERELY URGING CAUTION FOR YOUR BENEFIT, AND I KNOW YOU'VE TAKEN EXHAUSTIVE EFFORT TO GET THESE BIDS, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW BIDS WORK AND THEY FIT. BASICALLY,

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IDENTIFY YOURSELF. YOU BET. MARTIN MCREYNOLDS, 218 UNIVERSITY AVE, WAXAHACHIE. I DESIGNED THE HOUSE. AS I MENTIONED AT OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE FIRST MET IN JANUARY, OUR INTENT WAS TO REMODEL THE HOUSE AND PUT AN ADDITION ONTO IT. IT WAS ONLY AFTER WE WE BEGAN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY WHEN JACK GOT, YOU KNOW, REAL INSPECTIONS IN THERE AND STRUCTURAL PEOPLE TO SAY, HEY, CAN WE DO SOMETHING? THAT WAS WHEN ALL OF THE. BASICALLY THE DISASTROUS CONDITION OF WHAT IS EXISTING TO THE STRUCTURE BECAME MUCH MORE APPARENT. IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE AN INSPECTOR COME THROUGH AND SAY, OKAY, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME SHODDY TWO WIRE THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE, AND I'M NOT DENIGRATING INSPECTORS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE IMPORTANT. BUT THAT WAS WHEN WE FOUND OUT HOW BAD IT ACTUALLY WAS. IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE TO, OH, YOU HAVE A CHOICE THAT MAYBE ROTTED BECAUSE A TOILET LEAKED. BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING FOR AN INSPECTOR OR AN ACTUAL STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, THE FLOOR HAS CRUSHED UPON ITSELF BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME SO IN SUCH A DETERIORATED MANNER. AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU WANT TO PUT A SECOND FLOOR ON THIS, YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE THE THE ORIGINAL FIRST FLOOR, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY TO SUPPORT IT. SO, SO OUR ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO JUST DO A SMALL EXPANSION ONTO THE SIDE AND THEN COME IN WITH THE SECOND UNIT AT THE BACKSIDE.

AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT KEEPING THINGS TO THE BACKSIDE BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP THE OVERALL WIDTH RELATIVELY CLOSE TO WHAT WE HAVE. DOES THIS LOOK LARGER? YOU MENTIONED TWO TIMES THE SIZE. IT DOES LOOK LARGER, BUT IN ARCHITECT YOU DON'T HAVE FLAT. THESE THINGS ARE WE'VE ACTUALLY ONLY INCREASED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO. IF IN THE FUTURE WE WERE ALLOWED TO DO THIS BY 600FT. THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW IS, I THINK, 1200FT■S. SO WE WERE JUST OVER A THOUSAND. OKAY. JUST OVER. I'M SORRY. SO THERE WE WERE ONLY GOING TO BE ADDING ABOUT 600FT■!S TO IT. SO YES, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE PROFILE A LITTLE BIT. BUT AGAIN, JUST GOING BACK TO, TO YOUR INITIAL OR TO ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS THAT THE INTENT WAS

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ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD? RYAN, CAN YOU OUTLINE NEXT STEPS ON. SO WE TABLED IT LAST TIME. WHAT WOULD A NEXT STEPS BE FROM THIS? IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT YOUR DECISION. LET'S PLAY TO BOTH SCENARIOS. IF THE BOARD APPROVES THIS. IF THE BOARD APPROVES THIS, THEN THIS WOULD BE ISSUED AND THEY WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEMOLITION. AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD NEED TO APPLY FOR A SEPARATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION FOR THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE PROJECTED AND PROPOSED STRUCTURE, WHICH WE WOULD WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNER PRIOR TO THAT SUBMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS MEETING THE STANDARDS THAT IT IS GOING TO FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BEFORE WE APPROVED THE COA, IF WE COULD NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, THEN WE COULD, OF COURSE, BRING IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD FOR FOR THEIR APPROVAL.

SHOULD YOU DENY THE APPLICATION THIS EVENING, THEY DO HAVE THE OPTION TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THAT'S WHERE THE ECONOMIC FACTORS COULD COME INTO PLAY. THAT WAS GOOD. THANK YOU. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BRIAN? THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. AND IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION. I'M SORRY. YOUR NAME IS JONATHAN. I'M A CONTRACTOR. I'VE ALSO VISITED. OKAY. FULL NAME PLEASE. JONATHAN KELLY. OKAY. YES, SIR.

JONATHAN CUSTOM CONSTRUCTION. I WORK WITH BILLY JOHNSON, WHO'S DONE SEVERAL HOMES IN DOWNTOWN.

THE MICROPHONE, SIR, IF YOU WILL. YES, SIR. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WORK WITH BILLY JOHNSON, WHO'S DONE SEVERAL HOMES DOWN HERE IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY. SEVERAL REMODELS, SEVERAL REHABS. WE WERE CALLED TO VISIT THE HOME, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? IN THE STATE, THIS IS GOING TO BE QUITE AN UNDERTAKING. AND I WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO ACTUALLY REHAB THIS HOME. THE FOUNDATION IS SITTING ON DIRT. IT'S COMPLETELY DETERIORATED. THE FOUNDATION WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED. THE SOIL UP TO TWO FEET. DRAINAGE WOULD NEED TO GO INTO PLACE. COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOUNDATION. WHAT WOULD BE LEFT OF THE HOME AFTER THAT IS NOTHING BUT COMPLETE. ABATEMENT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FIRST BEFORE YOU COULD EVEN TOUCH THE HOME. 30 MILE AN HOUR WIND IS ALREADY RELEASING LEAD AND ASBESTOS. IT'S QUITE AN UNDERTAKING, AND THERE'S REALLY NO END TO IT EITHER. NEW CONSTRUCTION. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD COST? OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD BE FINDING FIXES ALONG THE WAY AS WE WOULD GO ABOUT THIS BUILD. ANY QUESTIONS? SO YOU'VE LOOKED YOU'VE LOOKED AT IN DETAIL AT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU LOOKED AT THE WALLS. I GUESS YOU DON'T HAVEN'T PULLED ANY OF THE DRY DRYWALL OFF, HAVE YOU. MOST OF THAT WOULD BE REMOVED IN ORDER. HAVEN'T DONE IT YET THOUGH. TO INSPECT. THERE'S ENOUGH MOVE TO BE ABLE TO INSPECT. BUT FRAMED IN 1950.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE THE AMOUNT OF MOVEMENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THAT HOME ROOF'S GOING TO COLLAPSE. WALLS ARE GOING TO PUSH OUT. ADDITIONAL FRAMING WILL BE NEEDED. THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT. THERE REALLY ISN'T. NAILS ARE GOING TO POP AND DECKING. NAILS ARE GOING TO POP IN SUBFLOOR. VERY BAD SHAPE. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THE WHAT EXISTING WALLS ARE THERE, HOW DAMAGED ARE THEY? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THEM IF WE WENT WITH WHAT JAMES WAS SUGGESTING, WHICH IS RAISING THE ENTIRE HOUSE AND REPLACING THE FOUNDATION? AND AS YOU SAID, DIGGING OUT A COUPLE FEET WORTH OF DIRT AND COMPACTING IT. SO WELL, THE ONLY STRUCTURE THAT ACTUALLY HOLDS THE WALLS TOGETHER IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, OR ROOF IS GOING TO BE THE DECKING ON THE ROOF AND THE SIDING ON THE EXTERIOR AND THE DRYWALL ON THE INSIDE. WELL, IF YOU LIFT THAT, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE LEAD PAINT THAT'S ON THAT CLADDING, IT'S GOING TO MOVE.

IT'S GOING TO SHIFT. THE ABATEMENT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FIRST. SO ONCE IT'S DOWN TO A SKELETON AND THERE'S NO SHEATHING OR BRACING ON THAT STRUCTURE, YOU PICK IT UP.

SHE'S GONE. OKAY, GOOD. WE WOULD LOVE TO RESTORE THE HOME. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT.

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ON BEHALF OF SATISFYING THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS. REYNA, YOU'RE UP AGAIN. I AM. AND YOU HAVE YOUR TEA, I TRUST. YES. AND I'VE BEEN DRINKING MY TEA. SO WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE ALL GOOD.

[HP2026-0109 Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Owner Greg Hartman for a Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition of a Detached Carport/Garage Located at 907 Tucker St]

YOU CAN SEE THE SEVERE LEAN AND THE ROT AND DETERIORATION ON THIS, AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION REQUEST OF THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE, BECAUSE ITS REMOVAL

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YEAH, WHEN YOU TAKE IT DOWN. IF YOU DO. YEAH. BE VERY CAREFUL. I'VE HAD PEOPLE KILLED DOING THAT. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE LOOKED AT. ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU SAVE IT? AND IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE HOUSE OR THE I THINK THOSE ARE DUPLEXES BEHIND IT. YEAH. THAT IT'S JUST DANGEROUS. YEAH.

SO DANGEROUS. SO THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION IS FOR THAT ENTIRE STRETCH OF. YES. WELL, YES. TO TAKE THAT THE ENTIRE CARPORT. OKAY. AND THE DOOR. THAT'S OKAY. JOINED TO THAT. WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY WE CURRENTLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE LITTLE SHED DOWN AT THIS POINT BECAUSE MOVING IN FROM A BIGGER HOUSE AND WE NEED TO STORE SOME STUFF THERE TILL WE CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE WANT TO REBUILD. OKAY, SO THIS APPLICATION IS IS ONLY FOR THIS FRONT PORTION WHERE THE CAR IS LOCATED. OKAY, OKAY. I WAS JUST CONFUSED BY THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD. ANY MORE QUESTIONS EITHER FOR THE HOMEOWNER OR FOR RENA? OKAY. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION AND THE MOTION IS TO DEMOLITION. OKAY. IS TO APPROVE DEMOLITION CARRY WITH A SECOND. THANK YOU. YES. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. NO. I WALKED BY THIS. YOU NEED TO RELEASE CONTROL OF THE SCREEN. NOPE. SORRY. THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. WE CAN VOTE NOW. ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. IT IS ITEM

[HP2026-0111 Consider/Discuss/Act on a Request by Owner Sydne Stephens for a Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition of a Detached Shed Located at 1104 Cole Street]

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MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM APPROVES THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION. AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR REINA? YES, REINA, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY? ABOUT WHY A SHED, A NON-HISTORIC SHED IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU OR IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD? IS IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON A HISTORIC HOMES PROPERTY? YES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT. BUT YES, THAT IS THE REASON ANY ANY STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT IS REQUESTING DEMOLITION, REGARDLESS OF ITS AGE AS OF RIGHT NOW, IS REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. IN CASE ANYONE THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE WAS WONDERING, WE LOVE TO TALK ABOUT DEMOLITION ON THIS BOARD. OKAY, WELL, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS ITEM. OKAY, MEGAN, WITH THE MOTION AND I NEED A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. MARCIA, LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES. APPROVAL. APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION REQUEST, YOU KNOW, UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, I BELIEVE. WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO THE INFORMATION SHARING ITEMS. THE

[26-1075 Discuss Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition Process]

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[01:10:05]

ONLY FOR A PRIMARY, MOSTLY FOR PRIMARY. NOW, IF IT WAS LIKE A CARRIAGE HOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED HISTORIC AND SOMETHING THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY POTENTIALLY A RESIDENCE, YES, WE WOULD REQUIRE THE SAME FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.

AND ARE YOU REQUIRING LIKE A PE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING STAMP, OR IS THIS A FOUNDATION REPORT OR ARE THERE OTHER. IT WOULD IT WOULD BE THE. YES. AND CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT IS ALREADY INCLUDED? THE IN THE CURRENT CO APPLICATION? SO THE CURRENT CO APPLICATION, BECAUSE IT IS FOR A WIDE ARRAY OF PROJECTS, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THESE.

BUT KNOWING WHAT THE BOARD TYPICALLY ASKS FOR FOR DEMOLITION, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.

SOMEBODY CALLS ME AND SAYS, HEY, I WANT TO DEMOLISH THIS HOUSE. WHAT DO I NEED TO DO? OKAY, WELL, TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPLY IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THE REQUEST TO DEMOLISH A HISTORIC HOUSE. OKAY. YEAH. SO SPECIFICALLY, THESE ARE NOT IN THE CURRENT ONE. THIS WOULD BE IN THE SEPARATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION. WE WOULD DIVIDE IT INTO TWO AND HAVE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ONE.

SO THIS IS THE PACKET THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT THAT THE APPLICANT FILLS OUT. WE WOULD HAVE A SECOND ONE SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT IT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY FOR DEMOLITION.

OKAY. AND AND I'M SORRY, LET ME INTERJECT REAL QUICK. SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS FOR A COA. I'M JUST GOING TO READ IT OFF JUST SO YOU AN APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING. IT'S THE NAME, ADDRESS AND TELEPHONE NUMBER OF THE APPLICANT. THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. THE PRIORITY RATING OF THE PROPERTY IS INDICATED BY THE CITY'S RECORDS, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PROPERTY AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES. HISTORICAL PHOTOGRAPHS IF AVAILABLE. A LETTER OF INTENT DESCRIBING IN DETAIL THE WORK PROPOSED. THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS ARE RENDERINGS OF PROPOSED CHANGES.

SAMPLES OF MATERIALS TO BE USED IF REQUESTED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, AND THEN IF THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES SIGNS OR LETTERING. A SCALE, DRAWING WITH THE FOLLOWING, AND THEN ANY OTHER INFORMATION WHICH THE HPO MAY DEEM NECESSARY IN ORDER TO VISUALIZE THE PROPOSED WORK.

SO WHEN RAINA IS ASKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT WOULD COME UNDER THAT, ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUESTED? OKAY. GOTCHA. SO THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY REQUESTED? NO. SO LIKE IF SOMEONE WAS DOING AN ADDITION, USUALLY YOU WOULD REQUEST THAT OKAY. YEAH. GOTCHA. GOOD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE? ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THAT APPEARS TO YOU? MARSHA. FIRST OF ALL, I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE LIST OF ANY SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WITH 803 LARGENT, WE DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THE VINYL SIDING, IF ANY OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING WAS SALVAGEABLE OR NOT, HOW WOULD STAFF HANDLE THAT WHEN THEY COME IN TO TALK TO YOU? SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM, SINCE THIS WOULD BE ON THE LIST OF THINGS LIKE, HAVE YOU LOOKED, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE VINYL SIDING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT SHOULD ADDRESS AS WELL, TO KNOW IF THE FRAMING AND ALL OF THE THINGS WERE SALVAGEABLE OR WHAT THE MAYBE PERCENTAGE OF USABILITY WOULD BE. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO SEE A PERCENTAGE, MAYBE, BUT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO LOOK AND SEE AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE STANDARDS SAY, REPAIR RATHER THAN REPLACE. AND IF SOMETHING HAS TO BE REPLACED, IS IT DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR? THAT'S ONE OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE LOOK AT TO EVALUATE ALL OF THESE. AND WE WOULD, OF COURSE, FOLLOW THOSE STANDARDS FOR THE DEMOLITION PROCESS AS WELL. SO WHEN WE SET THESE CRITERIA REPAIR RATHER THAN REPLACE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TANGIBLE CRITERIA TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. NO, IT WOULD BE

[01:15:04]

[26-1074 Discuss the Historic Home Recognition Calendar 2027]

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 261074. DISCUSS HISTORIC HOME RECOGNITION CALENDAR FOR 2027. AND THIS IS THE LAST WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM URANA. IT IS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING FUN. LET'S TALK ABOUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CALENDAR. SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS WAS THE THE CALENDAR FOR THIS YEAR. AND WE DID FOCUS ON THE EAST SIDE. WE WORKED WITH AN AMAZING ARTIST WHO DID THE COVER DESIGN HERE. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY SPECTACULAR. THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED ON THIS CALENDAR, EVERYBODY LOVED THE COVER. THEY LOVED HOW COLORFUL THE WHOLE CALENDAR WAS. THEY WERE VERY HAPPY THAT THE EAST SIDE WAS THE FOCUS OF THIS YEAR'S CALENDAR. BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO 2028 ALREADY, WHICH I CAN'T EVEN LIKE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S REAL, BUT IT IS. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT CALENDAR. HERE IS THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO GO IN. SO IT IS THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE HISTORIC HOME CALENDAR.

AND SO WE WANT TO PLAY UP THE 20. AND SO STAFF IS GOING TO PRESENT 20 OPTIONS BASED ON THE THEME OF THE 1920S AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING IT THAT WAY THIS YEAR IS BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF EXTRA LEGWORK REQUIRED TO FULFILL THAT REQUIREMENT. SO ALL OF THE RESEARCH AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD GO INTO THAT, BECAUSE WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, INCLUDING HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN

[01:20:01]

AND THAT JUST OPENS IT UP FOR HOMES, YOU KNOW, MID-CENTURY MODERN. AND WE'VE KIND OF DONE THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND IT ACTUALLY GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FOCUS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING FOR HOMES, FOR SURE. YES. YEAH. AND I LOVE THAT THE STAFF WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THE ONES DIGGING INTO IT AND MAKING SURE WE'RE PICKING NEW HOMES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FEATURED. AND I THINK IT'LL BE IT'LL BE EXCITING. I GET TO DO THE SPREADSHEET THAT CATALOGS ALL THE HOMES. YEAH, WE, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE SPREADSHEETS. SO YEAH, YEAH, WE HAVE SOME SPREADSHEETS AND WE HAVE A LIST OF THE HOUSES, OBVIOUSLY THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE CALENDARS PREVIOUSLY. WE ALSO HAVE LISTS OF NOMINATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FEATURED IN THE CALENDARS AS WELL. SO AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF LEGWORK TO KIND OF PARSE ALL THAT INFORMATION OUT. WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW HOMES IN THE DISTRICT THAT DO MEET ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE STRETCHING TO TRY TO FIND 20 HOMES TO BRING TO YOU. THERE ARE MORE THAN 20 HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE 1920S. SO WE'LL WE'LL BRING THE BEST OF THE BEST. AND YOU GUYS CAN THEN VOTE ON IT. SO THAT'S A FUN PROJECT. REALLY IS OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR ANNA? I HAVE A QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE THE PROCESS. I DIDN'T ASK THIS EARLIER. THE CO A PROCESS.

WHAT'S WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? ARE YOU GUYS JUST GOING TO START DOING THE PROCESS THAT WAY OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO THE SEPARATE APPLICATIONS AND WHATNOT WOULD REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT FORWARD PROBABLY WITH A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN HPV AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. BUT AS FAR AS THE POLICY OF BRINGING SECONDARY STRUCTURES VERSUS PRIMARY STRUCTURES, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START DOING SECONDARY STRUCTURES AT A STAFF LEVEL BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A POLICY CHANGE. OKAY, PERFECT. GOOD. THAT'S ALL. ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, REINA. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND IT DOES NOT

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