Aug 19, 2020 Throckmorton Statue Ad Hoc Advisory Board

[CALL TO ORDER]

[00:00:09]

COUNTY. WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE ON OUR BOARD, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AND GET STARTED. GOOD

[Introduction and Review Statement of Purpose]

OH, AND I HAVE MARKED DODI A CZ WELL FROM STAFF. UH YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO KNOW THEM VERY WELL ON ANY OF THE OTHER SUBJECT MATTER, EXPERTS THAT WE MAY NEED TO BRING FORWARD. SO I'M GONNA GO AROUND THE ROOM. HERE. HAVE EACH OF YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST SO FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR STAFF, THAT'S HERE. SO JUSTIN WILL START WITH YOU, SIR. THAT THE LIGHT IS ON. SO IT MEANS YOU'RE ON. IT WAS JUSTIN DOLLAR FOUR. THERE'S A BANKER ABOUT RIGHT. MY NAME'S LARRY JAMES, RETIRED EDUCATOR, PASTOR. LIFELONG RESIDENT.

THANKS, LARRY. MATT HAMILTON LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS. OWNER DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS. AND CHAIRMAN OF MAIN STREET, RIGHT. MY NAME IS ISAAC AND RESIDENT OF MCKINNEY AND I'M ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. GREAT. AND CAN YOU TIME IT JUST PERFECTLY. IT'S NOT THE RED LIGHT YOUR GOOD, NO WORRIES. IT'S GOOD. YOU'RE FINE. WE'RE JUST DOING INTRODUCTIONS, SO NO WORRIES. 15 16 MONTH, PRESIDENT. WORK IT OUT. GET INVOLVED HERE SO FAR. THANKS.

THANKS, CANDACE FOR BEING PART OF IT. AND MARK PAUL OF MARK'S MONSTERS. I LIVED IN GETTING OUT FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS. BE A PART OF THIS BOARD. I'M GONNA I LIVED IN. IN HERE MANY YEARS AND FORMER CITY COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU DON. JIM STORE TO SIX YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY AND THE WHOLE BUSINESS. GREAT. THANKS, JIMMY. NATHAN JUDGE WHITE NATHAN WHITE LIVED IN MCKINNEY OVER 25 YEARS IN THE COUNTY OF ALL 75 YEARS. TIRED. THEY JUDGE. BETTER. WELL, THANK YOU. JUDGE WHITE, MR. KIMBALL COLLINS KIMBALL BEEN IN MCKINNEY FOR 18 YEARS AND I SERVE ON THE L. A COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSION WAS ASKED TO PARTICIPATE TO BRING COUNTIES. THANKS, COLLIN. PETITION. HOW ARE YOU? POSITION AND I HAVE BEEN FOR SIX YEARS I HAVE SERVED. END OF PART. GREAT. OH, THANKS. THANKS FOR BEING A PART OF A MAGICIAN. AIR 11 MEMBERS. SEVEN OF THEM ARE APPOINTED BY ONE FROM EACH COUNCIL MEMBER. AND THEN WE HAD FOUR WHO ARE HERE, SORT OF. FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM AT LARGE, REPRESENTING ONE OF FOUR OF OUR.

BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. ONE OF THE MISS COUNTY, WHICH COLIN I BELIEVE WAS APPOINTED FROM COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSIONER CORRECT SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTIONS. SO AGAIN, WHY ARE WE HERE? SO AS YOU KNOW, THE THROCKMORTON STATUE HAS BEEN A SUBJECT MATTER OF. PASSIONATE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONVERSATION AND CONTROVERSY. AS A RESULT OF THAT CURRENT EVENTS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS HAVE SPURRED THE RELOCATION OF CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT STATES AND CITIES. THERE HAVE BEEN NATIONAL CONVERSATIONS AND GUIDANCE ABOUT CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS PROVIDED BY

[00:05:04]

THROCKMORTON IS HISTORY IS COMPLICATED AND CERTAINLY INCLUDES COMPONENTS THAT SUPPORTED. THE INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY AT THE TIME WHEN HE WAS HERE, AND SO ALL OF THOSE HISTORY'S COMPLICATED HISTORY IS MESSY. ON. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STATEMENT OF PURPOSE. SO THE CITY COUNCIL CREATED THIS BOARD TO HELP OVERSEE STAFF IN THE EXPERT RESEARCH THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE. TO PROVIDE CONTEXT, APPROPRIATENESS AND RELEVANCY OF THE STATUE THAT'S LOCATED DOWNTOWN. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS AD HOC ADVISORY BOARD SO THIS KIND OF GETS TO KNOW WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT. THIS ADVISORY BOARD IS NOT GOING TO BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THEY ARE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THEY ARE HERE TO GUIDE AND OVERSEE THE EFFORTS OF STAFF. WHO IS PREPARING THE RESEARCH DOING THE YEOMAN'S WORK. THE LATE WORK. SOME OF THE RESEARCH IS GOING TO BE DONE BY MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.

WE WELCOME THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE AND HELP. BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WHAT THEIR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL SIDES THAT WE'RE TAKING A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH ON A VERY, VERY DIVISIVE OR DELICATE SUBJECT. THAT OBVIOUSLY INVOLVES RACE IN AMERICA, INEQUALITY AND ARE WE GIVEN IT A FAIR SHOT? ARE WE FAIRLY ACTUALLY LOOKING AT ALL THE FACTS AT ALL THE SITES AND THAT'S YOUR JOB. MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE FACTS AND ALL THE SIDES. SECONDLY, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS ENGAGED IN THE DISCUSSION SO THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAY BE PRESENTED WITH THOROUGH, UNBALANCED RESEARCH.

SO THE THIRD MEAN WHICH WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO, UH UH, MR GORSHIN. MR. DODIE, YOU'RE BOTH GOING. GET INTO SOME MORE DETAILS, BUT THE THIRD MEETING THAT'S CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER, 17TH IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A PUBLIC INPUT SESSION AND YOU'RE GONNA OVERSEE YOUR GOING TO PRESIDE OVER THAT PUBLIC INPUT SESSION. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NUMBER ONE THE RESEARCHES. INCLUDING ALL VIEWS, AND SECONDLY, THAT THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON COMMENT ON THIS PROCESS. THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THIS WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE WILL PRESENT THE REPORT. TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE WILL NOT PRESENT A RECOMMENDATION. CITY COUNCILS IN THE HOT SEAT. THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE ELECTED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THEIR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS INFORMATION AND MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO ALL OF THIS? SO THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS WITH YOU, WE'RE GOING TO SHARE INFORMATION, ENGAGED CONVERSATION. UM WE WANT YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS. WE WANT YOU TO LEARN. WE WANT TO LEARN WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW. THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS ARE ABOUT CONTENT AND CONTEXT. THAT LAST MEETING IS ABOUT OPINION AND PAULA COMET. CONVERSATION ABOUT THE THROCKMORTON STATUTE. THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN PASSIONATE, HEATED. YOU PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN HELPING US ASSEMBLY BALANCED AND THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE STATUE AND THE OPTIONS. YOUR OPINIONS MAY DIFFER. FROM THE PERSON SITTING NEXT TO YOU, BUT WE HAVE AN EQUALLY IMPORTANT VOICE AT THE TABLE. ALL OF YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO LEARNING FROM YOU AND HEARING THE INFORMATIONS.

YOU HAVE A SHARE. SO. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS AGAIN IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. WE HAVE THIS FIRST MEETING IS GOING TO BE HISTORY IN CONTEXT. THE WHO, WHAT? AND WHERE. SECOND MEETING IS GOING TO BE OPTIONS. WHAT CAN WE DO NOW? AND THEN THE THIRD MEETING IS ABOUT OPINION GETTING PUBLIC INPUT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? MEANING THE PUBLIC AND WHAT SHOULD WE DO? FOLLOWING THE THREE MEETINGS, STAFF WILL COMPILE ALL OF THE INFORMATION GATHERED AND PRESENT IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE WILL ANTICIPATE WE ANTICIPATE THE COUNCIL WILL REVIEW THE INFORMATION MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THE STATUE IN OCTOBER. SO.

ONCE AGAIN. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY AND SHARING BOTH YOUR TIME AND KNOWLEDGE. I WANT TO HAVE SOME TIME FOR QUESTIONS, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE MORE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM. ALL OF YOU, PROBABLY HAVE YOUR OWN VIEWS. YOU PROBABLY HAVE IDEAS OR VIEWPOINTS ON THIS SUBJECT OR SUBJECTS SIMILAR TO THIS AND THAT'S NORMAL AND ACCEPTED. AND OF COURSE, THAT'S ENCOURAGED EVERYBODY ONCE WE WANT FOLKS TO BE INFORMED, HAVING OPINIONS.

ALL THAT SAID. WE'RE IMPLORING THAT YOU KEEP AN OPEN MIND. I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THE ISSUE OF ANYBODY HERE FROM OVER JOHN GOTTMAN. ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD OR ANYBODY? JOHN GOTTMAN IS A RELATIONSHIP EXPERT TALKS ABOUT HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH RELATIONS WHETHER IT'S WORKPLACE RELATIONS? PERSONAL RELATIONS AND JOHN GOTTMAN TALKS ABOUT THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE. SOME STAFF PROBABLY HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS. SO SORRY. YOU HAVE TO

[00:10:01]

NOBODY'S LISTENING VERY MUCH, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET VERY FAR SO WE WANT TO TURN IT DOWN.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. AND I THINK WHY THE COUNCIL DID THIS IS LET'S TURN THE TEMPERATURE DOWN. LET'S HAVE A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH. SO. THAT'S THAT TWO OTHER THINGS. HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. IF YOU NEED TO GET UP AND USE THE RESTROOM, PLEASE FEEL FREE. IF WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK, SOMEBODY FLAGGED US OR WHATEVER. WE WILL BE ELECTING THE FIRST ORDERS OF BUSINESS IS TO GET CHAIRPERSON OF SCIENCE MAY BE THE CHAIRPERSON WOULD KIND OF TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT.

RESTAURANTS ARE RIGHT OUT HERE. RIGHT OUT THE DOOR. UM SO IF YOU NEED TO DO THAT, AND THEN FINALLY TIME ALLOCATED, WE'RE FIGURING ABOUT 90 MINUTES ABOUT 5 30 ISH WE HAD THIS ROOM IS COMMITTED FOR 6 P.M. IF WE KNOW FOR A LITTLE OVERNIGHT IF LITTLE PAST 5 30 IS PROBABLY OKAY BUT NOT MUCH FURTHER PAST THAT, SO TRY TO GET THROUGH THE AGENDA. AND SO MARK AND GUY ARE GONNA PLOW AHEAD. WITH THAT? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT. OTHER WORDS, WE'RE GONNA KEEP MOVING. SO I THINK MARK IS UP NEXT AND ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE AND I'M GONNA TAKE MY SEAT AND GET OUT THE WAY. GOOD AFTERNOON MARKED ODIOUS ISN'T DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND MYSELF. I HAVE BEEN WITH THE CITY MCKINNEY FOR ALMOST A YEAR FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS SHY OF A YEAR WITH CITY MCCAIN BEFORE THAT WAS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS. OVER 14 YEARS WHERE I WAS CHIEF PLANNER IN HIS STORE PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS ALSO SAT ON THERE. TASKFORCE WHENEVER THEY DEALT WITH THEIR CONFEDERATE RELATED STATUES, MONUMENTS, STREET NAMES, SO I HAVE SOME SOME BACKGROUND IN THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL HELP. SPOKEN TO SOME OF YOU ON THE PHONE SOME OF YOU VIA EMAIL PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK ALL Y'ALL FOR SERVING AGAIN? NO, THIS IS TIME OUT OF YOUR BUSY SCHEDULES. SO OUR FIRST ORDER

[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Election of a Board Chair]

THANKFULLY, I SENT THAT EMAIL EARLIER AND THANKFULLY, TWO PEOPLE, MR STEWART AND MR JIGGERS JIGGERS HAVE AGREED TO SERVE AS THE CHAIR, MR STEWART. AND THEN THE CO CHAIR, MR J.

GERS. THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM ANYONE ELSE. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPOINT MR STEWART, HIS CHAIR, MR JAEGERS AS VICE CHAIR. OPEN THE VIDEO STORE CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR CAMPBELL.

THANK YOU. ON FAVOR. OKAY, ANY POST? ALL RIGHT, MR STEWART. YES. SO MR KIMBLE MADE THE MOTION AND. BETTY I CAN NEVER PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME. EDDIE WILL DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO, MR

[Consider/Discuss Presentation on James Webb Throckmorton Research]

[00:15:09]

MY NAME'S GEIGER'S FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW ME. I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER CITY OF MCKINNEY, TEXAS. I'VE HELD THAT POSITION FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. FOR THOSE OF YOU AND I KNOW A FEW OF YOU WHO HAVE LIVED HERE A GOOD PORTION OF YOUR LIFE, IF NOT ALL OF IT. WHAT YOU HAVE DONE HAS MADE AN INCREDIBLE AND REMARKABLE DIFFERENCE. IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD THROUGH AND LOOK AT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO DO. I'M GOING TO BURY MY FACE IN A LOT OF THIS BECAUSE. IT STARTS GETTING TWO NUMBERS AND ME REMEMBERING DATES. I THINK I'M GETTING A LITTLE SOFT FOREHEAD SO. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TO YOU TOO MUCH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT YOU TO KNOW IS THAT I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING AN OVERVIEW OF JAMES W.

THROCKMORTON. THIS IS DRAWN FROM BASICALLY TOO VERY WELL WRITTEN. PIECES ON JAMES W.

FROG MORNING. ONE OF THEM WAS WRITTEN HERE BY CALLING KIMBLE AND I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. IT'S WELL DONE AND WELL THOUGHT OUT. AS WITH ANY THING THAT WE ALWAYS AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT COLIN'S PIECE THAT HE'S WRITTEN. HAS DONE THIS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE. PEOPLE BROUGHT ME IN, SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS TEXAS HISTORIC MARKER. WE'RE TRYING TO GET TAKING CARE OF YOU. AND IT SAYS OLD SETTLER CEMETERY, AND IT'S OVER THERE BY THE BRADLEY CEMETERY. AND I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE. WHO HAD KNOWN THAT AS A SLAVE CEMETERY. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU GET INTO THE REALM OF RESEARCH. THERE ARE THINGS WE KNOW AND THINGS WE DON'T KNOW THINGS WE DON'T KNOW. WE CAN'T SAY THAT. THAT'S WHAT IT IS FOR SURE, BECAUSE HERE'S SAY, AS WE ALL KNOW, NOT BET EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM. IS SAT IN A CIRCLE.

YOU TELL A STORY. THE PERSON ON YOUR RIGHT. LET'S SAY HERE'S THAT STORY, AND THEN THEY REPEAT THAT STORY. THE TIME IT GETS BACK AROUND THE CIRCLE. THAT STORY ISN'T THE SAME STORY. SO WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT. WE NEED TO FOCUS. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY. SO I'M GONNA TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JAMES WEBB THROCKMORTON.

HE WAS BORN IN 18 25. HE PASSED FROM THIS EARTH IN 18 94. AT THE AGE OF 69. HE WAS BORN AND SPARTA, TENNESSEE AND LIVED THERE 11 YEARS. NOW HIS DAD, DR THROCKMORTON. CAN WE HEAR IT? OH, YES. I ALWAYS FORGET THE A V PORTION. ANYWAY. 18 36, DR THROCKMORTON, JAMES'S DAD MOVED

[00:20:11]

JAMES WEBB DRUG. NOTICE THAT THE NEXT THING THAT GETS EMBROILED IN. YOU WENT TO WORK FOR A LAW FIRM. HIS INTEREST IN POLITICS FROM 18 51 TO 57. HE SERVED THREE TERMS AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE 25TH DISTRICT, WHICH WAS COLIN AND DIDN'T COUNTIES. WITH STATE OF TEXAS IS HE WORKED WITH LAND GRANT AND ADVOCATED FREE PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A STATEWIDE RAILROAD SYSTEM. THAT'S HOW FORWARD THINKING HE WASS. A LOT OF YOU BET SITTING IN THIS ROOM THINK THAT. PEOPLE MOVED HERE AND IT WAS THE GARDEN OF EDEN. WELL, IT'S SORT OF LAWS, BUT. THE GARDEN OF EDEN PRODUCED A LOT, BUT YOU COULDN'T PRODUCE OVERPRODUCE BECAUSE IF YOU DID YOU JUST LET IT ROT BECAUSE YOU HAD NO WAY OF TRANSPORTING IT TO MARKET.

WE DIDN'T HAVE BIG RIVERS, CANALS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO MOVE THIS. FOOD THIS COTTON THOSE THINGS WERE IMPOSSIBLE. BUT HE UNDERSTOOD SOMETHING. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE COMMERCE TO BE SUCCESSFUL. AND THE RAILROAD COULD DO THAT. SO ANYWAY. THROCKMORTON MOVES ON.

HE WAS A GOOD BUDDY WITH SAM HOUSTON. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW MUCH ABOUT HOUSTON. BUT BOTH HOUSTON AND THROCKMORTON, BOTH WORKED. WITH NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES TO FORM TREATIES. THAT WAS PART OF WHAT THROCKMORTON ENDED UP DOING DURING THE CIVIL WAR. ONE OF THE LITTLE KNOWN FACTS ABOUT THROCKMORTON. AT LEAST IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE IS THAT HE WAS.

I'VE SEEN TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS. ONE OF EIGHT PEOPLE. WHICH MEANS IT WOULD BE HIM ONE AND SEVEN OTHER PEOPLE OR. HIM ONE AND ANYWAY, IT GETS CONFUSING, BUT THERE'S EIGHT PEOPLE. WIND TAKES US HELD THE. IT WAS A MEETING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION. THROCKMORTON WAS THE MAJOR VOICE BEHIND THOSE EIGHT PEOPLE WHO VOTED NO AGAINST THE SESSION. SO THRIVE. MORN WAS VERY CONTEMPLATIVE MAN, AND I THINK PROBABLY HIS RELIGION.

SHAPED A LOT OF THAT. THROCKMORTON ENDED UP NOW THAT'S IT'S. AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND THE DICHOTOMY OF WHERE OURSELVES AS HUMANS. HOW OFTEN PERHAPS

[00:25:03]

THROCKMORTON WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO MAKE RECOMPENSE IN ORDER TO GET BACK TO NORMALCY. YOU KNOW, STILL LOOKING AT THE TRAIN NOW MENTIONED AGAIN GOING BACK TO THE TRAIN. THE TRAIN GOT HERE IN 18 72. AND THAT REALLY CHANGED MCKINNEY AGAIN. THROCKMORTON WAS VERY INVOLVED DURING THE THERE WERE NUMEROUS ISSUES DURING RECONSTRUCTION. IT'S A CRAZY TIME WITH LOTS OF PROBLEMS. BUT EVENTUALLY THE RAILROAD DID GET HERE. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID IN 18 94 THROCKMORTON PASSED AWAY.

THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL OF THIS STORY, AND YOU HAVE. OR WILL BE AVAILABLE INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP YOU DECIDE HER AND GO THROUGH SOME OF THIS AND WEIGH FACTS. MUCH LIKE JUDGE WHITE HE'S DONE HIS WHOLE LIFE. AND THOSE THINGS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE STATUE ITSELF RIGHT NOW, AND I WON'T APOLOGIZE. WE'VE INFORMATION WE SENT OUT LAST WEEK. THANKS, SIR. MR BELLER. HE FACT CHECKED US, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU AS A COMMITTEE TO DO. AND WE REALIZE THAT POMPEO OPEN ANY WHO WE THOUGHT HAD BEEN. THE SCULPTOR THOUGHT MORN STATUE WAS NOT REALLY WE DON'T THINK IS THE SCULPTOR STATUE, SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO IT IS? WE HAVEN'T REALLY FOUND ANYTHING DEFINITIVE. OF WHO? THAT WASS WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE OUR RESEARCH. WE HAVE TANYA FOULS WHO'S WITH OUR JUSTICE DEPARTMENT? SHE'S REALLY GOOD AT RESEARCH. BUT IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY IDEAS OF WHO IT COULD BE, MIGHT HAVE BEEN. STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SO THANK YOU, MR BELLER FOR TELLING US THAT WE'RE WRONG. I'M SURE WE'LL BE TOLD THAT A LIE DURING THE COURSE OF THIS, WHICH IS FINE. BUT WE DO KNOW IS THAT IT WAS PLACED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE COURTHOUSE SQUARE. 1911 DISCUSSION. THE STATUE AGAIN BEGAN IN THE LATE 18 NINETIES AFTER HIS DEATH, UM. WE HAD SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS GROUPS THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH IT. THROCKMORTON CAMP OF THE UNITED CONFEDERATE VETERANS APPOINT A COMMITTEE 19 0 FOR THE FEDERATED WOMEN'S CLUB. MCKINNEY TOOK OVER FUNDRAISING AND MANAGEMENT DURING THAT TIME PERIOD AS WELL. AND IT FINALLY, UNITED DOLLARS OR THE CONFEDERACY JOINED THE FUNDRAISING EFFORTS IN 1910, AND IT WAS PLACED ON THE PEDESTAL, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY PUT IN AN 18 99. IT IS THE SAME PEDESTAL THAT'S THERE. NOW. FINALLY IN 1911. UM. SO WE THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT THE PEDESTAL ACTUALLY. WAS THERE BEFORE THE STATUE ITSELF. SO WE THINK IT'S ALSO. AN INTERESTING COMPONENT THAT COLLIN COUNTY COURTHOUSE ACTUALLY NO LONGER SERVES AS A COURTHOUSE. IT'S NOW KNOWN AS THE MCCAIN IN PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. WHICH IS THE CENTERPIECE OF THE HISTORIC MCKINNEY CULTURAL DISTRICT. SO WITH THAT I KNOW THAT'S QUICK AND DIRTY ON BOTH. JAMES DRUG MORNING HIMSELF AND THROCKMORTON STATUTE, BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION CONVERSATION, SOMETHING WE'VE MISSED SOMETHING WE NEED. ADD AGAIN. THIS IS ALL FACT FINDING ON OUR END. OF WHENEVER TRYING TO GET COMPILES MUCH RESEARCH. TIO COUNSEL FOR THEM TO MAKE DECISION IS, AS PAUL SAID SOME OF THE CHAIR MR STEWART START CALLING ON PEOPLE. LET HIM START BEING THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE. I REALIZED THAT THIS WAS QUICK TO POINT. IN THE FIRST PRESENTATION. MAINE. ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT HI. LADY.

[00:30:09]

AGAINST US. AND IT WAS NOT COMING ON WITH COLLIN COUNTY, EVEN THOUGH THE STATE. OH, DID YOU SEE COLUMN COUNTY WAS NOT AMONG THOSE COUNTIES. JOINING THAT EFFORT, LARGELY BECAUSE PROBABLY. PROBABLY PROBABLY BECAUSE OF MARTINS. SO THAT NOTHING DEFINITE SIGNIFICANT.

FACTOR IN HIS LIFE. BUT THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER POINT. YES, IT IS BECAUSE I'M USED COURTROOM AND SO FORTH. WHY DO YOU AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME. THAT PROFESSOR CHECK MCADAMS ONES.

MUNICH ATION THAT. ASSIGNMENTS ARE DUE THIS CULTURE. WHY'S THAT GREATER THAN THE. MOM AND BOOK CAROL OR A LITTLE. I DON'T. FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW. ONE OF THESE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE SAY. HOLD IT IS MAINLY FOR PROBABLY THE MAIN SOURCE OF THE MIST. ATTRIBUTION I DON'T THINK THIS COIN. THAT I COULD SAY ONE IS RIGHT. THE OTHER ONE IS WRONG, BUT THAT'S JUST MY.

I'D LIKE TO TALK TO MR CASTLE. ALSO SPARKED SPOKE TO CONTINUE CAVALIER ANTONIO RECORDS OF ALL OF THIS STUFF THEY KNOW. DOCUMENTS THAT SHOWED HIS WASS. READY. START PARTICULARLY MATERIAL HE DIDN'T DO. STATUE'S MARBLE. MISS LITTLE ROUND ANYMORE. ERROL MORRIS. LITTLE THAT APPARENTLY WAS THE CONNECTION. SHE WROTE A BOOK, APPARENTLY COMPREHENSIVE, GOT OUTDOOR SCULPTURE IN TEXAS. TERRA MARS. APPARENTLY, THAT'S WHERE THE ORIGINAL HANDOUT. THE ONLY SOURCE THAT ANYBODY'S MR MECHANISED. SHE'S STILL ALIVE. I WASN'T IT CAST WAS WRITING A BOOK ON. AND HE HAS NOT ANYTHING BESIDES TERMS AND FRANKLY WHAT DIFFERENCE WHAT WAY THE OTHERS, BUT I JUST I THINK. YOU'D JUMP TOO QUICKLY THAT ONE EXPERT BETTER THAN THE OTHER. WAR. TO JUDGE TO COME IN ABOUT DRUG MORMONS OR CORTICAL SKILLS SECESSION CONVENTION THAT TOOK PLACE. DROP THAT EACH ONE OF THE. LEGISLATORS HE WAS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE. GO TO THEIR HOME COUNTIES, AND HE WAS SPECIFICALLY TASKED. TRYING. TO GIN UP THE BOAT AGAINST SECTION.

HE WENT TO ALL. AND AS A CONSEQUENCE, NOT ONLY COLORED COUNTY VOTE BY 7% MORGAN TO STAY WITH UNION IMMIGRATION COUNTY. COOK COUNTY, SO HE HAD YEAH. HE'S VERY WELL KNOWN FOR HIS PERSUASIVE OR SKILLS, SO. DON'T THINK I WON'T COME IN. WHY TO THE DAUGHTERS OF UNITED.

DOLLARS CONFEDERACY. THERE'S NO HISTORIC DOCUMENTS TO SUPPORT THAT. JACK. I HAVE A LIST OF MONUMENTS THAT THEY DID. CORRECT. HOLMES COUNTY. IS NOT. ASSOCIATING WITH THAT LIST, SO.

THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF THE DOLLARS. BETTER SEE THAT WERE MEMBERS OF THESE OTHER FEDERATED CLUBS. BUT IT WAS WOMEN'S FEDERATED BLOOD. IRONICALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE AT THE TIME. THAT, UH, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THAT STATUE, DAUGHTERS CONFEDERACY THAT THERE'S NO. NOTHING HAS BEEN DISCOVERED THUS FAR TO SUPPORT THAT. SO WE HAVE. I'M SORRY. SO WE ACTUALLY THE LIBRARY DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND MAKES YOU HAVE A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE WHERE IT MENTIONS THE UNITED DOLLARS THE CONFEDERACY.

WE'RE GOING TO START TAKING OVER THE FUNDRAISING. ARM OF THIS. I THINK YOU'RE I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT WHERE THIS WAS NOT AN OFFICIAL UNITED DAUGHTERS OF THE CONFEDERACY

[00:35:03]

THAT'S WHY STATES SECEDED. HE WASN'T OPPOSED. TO THAT BEAUTIFUL WASN'T FOR THE ABOLITION OF SLAVERY. SO YOU TOOK UP THIS CAUSE SESSION HE WAS FORCE LATER. HE WAS AGAINST A PLANTER CLASS. BUT IN 18 60 FT HIMSELF IS ON THE REGISTERS. THEY SLEPT. AND SO I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MENTALITY. HE WAS AGAINST IT. AT THAT POINT OF VIEW IS LIKE WHOA, REALLY ONE OF THE NORTH THE ABOLITION OF SLAVERY. COME ABOUT. AND THAT WASN'T THE CASE WAS FOR IT FOR.

WHAT YOU SAID. THE ECONOMIC. LANDRY. THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. I'VE FORGOTTEN WHO'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN THIS, BUT THERE'S SOME IN SOMEBODY'S RESEARCH AND IN THEIR RESEARCH WHAT THEY'VE CREATED, THEY TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF A PLANTER. CLASS OF PEOPLE MOSTLY GET IS LIKE BEING A SHARECROPPER. SO YOU'VE GOT THE PLANNER CLASS, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY WHAT YOU FIND. IN THE NORTH. WHAT YOU MOVE INTO THE SOUTH. YOU MOVE INTO THE PLANTATIONS WHERE THEY WERE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY RAISING COTTON BECAUSE. BASICALLY NO LABOR COSTS. SLAVERY. AND WHAT THE CONCERN WASS. IF THEY SECEDED. BEN. LARGER.

PLANTATION'S WIPE OUT THE PLANTER CLASS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING RID OF THAT MIDDLE OR LOWER MIDDLE. CLASS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING TO MAKE LIVING LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. AND I THINK IT WAS A REALLY I DON'T KNOW. YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR PACKET. LITTLE MENTION THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE STUDY ON IT, BUT IT'S WELL WORTH A READ. IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A WHOLE NEW INSIGHT. IN TERMS OF. THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS AND EVENTS THAT CAUSED CIVIL WAR TO TAKE PLACE. YES, I JUST GO. JUST STAYING THERE. I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA DO IT LIKE WE ARE. I HEARD THAT YOU KNOW HE WAS THIS TIME THAT MAYBE WHAT IT IS, BUT I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER INTENTIONS AND SO I THINK WHEN WE SAY BEING FIRED WAS FORCED SESSION. WE HAVE TO. EVALUATE. WHY WAS REALLY FORCING SESSION ITSELF CONVENING LEADING IT COULD MAKE ONE THINK. OH, START AGAIN. SECESSION, YOU MAKE ME THINK THAT HE WAS FOR YOU KNOW, THE INDIANS HAVE SPEAK, JUST KIND OF FORCED INTO CONFEDERACY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANYBODY IS GOING. NEED TO PULL BACK ALL OF THAT AND CONSIDER IN 10 AND.

TWO POINT IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HIS MOTIVES. WAS PURELY ECONOMIC REASONS, AS OPPOSED TO THAT. KING FOR YOU KNOW THE ABOLISHMENT OF SLAVERY. I THINK THAT DOES CARRY THAT SORT OF NEVER WE DID THAT, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO SAY INTENTIONS MATTER RELATIONS.

MAKE SURE YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. MORNING. FAMILY MOVED HERE WHEN THIS WAS STILL A REPUBLIC. THOSE SETTLERS ARE. HE BROUGHT INTO SONY SUCCESSION. WAS. THEY DIDN'T

[00:40:12]

THE RIVERS GET COTTON, WHICH WAS KING, WHICH WAS A PLAYER CLASS PLAYER. CLASSIC, PATIENTLY PLANTATION OVER THEY WERE PRESENT HERE BECAUSE. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MEANS TO GET OUR CROPS IN MARKETS, ALL THE CROPS GROWN CONSUMED LOCALLY OR SOLD TO FEDERAL TROOPS THAT WILL PROTECT THIS BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE EDGE OF THE FRONTIER. SO TOO, YOU KNOW. IT CLEARLY WAS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE ABOLITIONISTS WHO WERE ADVOCATING FOR THE INVOLVED IN SLAVERY. HOWEVER. HE WAS AGAINST SEPARATING FROM THE UNION. PRACTICAL. I MEAN HIS FAMILY WHAT TO GET. PART OF THE UNIT, SO I THINK THAT SAID. IT'S REALLY CLEAR HE ONLY ONCE LATE, AND, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW CULTURE. THAT'S THE FRAMEWORK. THE CONTEXT OF. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO COME. GROUND. OH COLIN. GOT WHAT? FIVE. HI. AMY ROSENTHAL, DIRECTOR OF IMPACT IN MCKINNEY, MAIN STREET. AND DON IS CORRECT. I MEAN THERE WAS A LEASE IN PLACE LAST YEAR, THE CITY DID ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S A CITY FACILITY, BUT IT'S A STATE ARCHAEOLOGICAL LANDMARK AND THERE THE GROUNDS ARE PROTECTED. SO WE'LL WE'LL TALK MORE BELIEVE ABOUT THAT NEXT SESSION, BUT THERE THERE ARE SOME PROTECTIONS IN PLACE. SOMEWHAT UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT. COMMENTS BEING MADE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. DOCUMENTARY, EVERS. JUST THIS LAST THING, FOR EXAMPLE. JUST SAYING. AMBULANCE IS SUPPOSED TO. ALLOCATIONS ARE SUGGESTIONS. COMMENTS UH, EVEN THIS THING WAS PASSED OUT TODAY. PIZZEY PDF VERSION OF HIS DOCUMENTS RELATING TO ALL THIS. I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE MAYBE NOT CREDITED FRIEND. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING. GIVE ME A LENGTH. SOURCES. REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH NOT HAVING.

SOURCE DOCUMENTS TO BACK UP SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING SAID. I DON'T KNOW.

VALIDITY, BUT I'M NOT CERTAINLY COULDN'T. WE HAVE A LITTLE FRIEND LAWN EITHER, UNLESS I SEE SOMETHING THAT DOCUMENTARY I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. SO IF YOU ACTUALLY OPENED UP THE PDF LIKE IF YOU'RE ON YOUR COMPUTER TO OPEN UP THE PDF AND YOU CLICK ON ONE OF THE UNDERLYING IF YOU CLICK ON THAT, ACTUALLY, THEN TAKES YOU TO. THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE DOCUMENT. WHERE THAT THE CITATION FOR IT. SO, UM. THAT'S THAT'S THAT WE WILL. WE'RE GOING TO DO TWO THINGS ALREADY. I'M NOT TO DO LIST. THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO CAROL MORRIS LITTLE AND ASK HER WHERE. SHE GOT THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE I'M GOING TO TASK AMY AND JAKAYA WHO ARE IMPACT, FOLKS. TO TRY TO FIND THE. THE DOCUMENT ABOUT THE CONVENIENCE OF THE IMPACT TO THE CITY FROM THE COUNTY SO THAT WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR Y'ALL. INSIDE. I MEAN, ERUPT IF, IN FACT IT IS STEAK, ARCHAEOLOGICAL LANDMARK.

I CAN'T I MEAN ARE WE WASTING OUR TIME TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION? WHAT IF THERE'S YOU KNOW? WHAT ARE THE RULES? STARTING DISPOSITION OF THAT STATUE. GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT THE YOUNGER SHIP. THIS YEAR. SO WE WILL GIVE HIM THAT IN MORE DETAIL NEXT SESSION, BUT I WILL

[00:45:05]

ROCKET ACTUALLY STOOD FOR WHAT WE DID IN RECONSTRUCTION ERRORS HAPPEN. CONSTRUCTION HERE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT LOST CAUSE LETTERING. UNDERSCORED SOME OF THE. THE WHITE SPRUCE EASIER THAT WAY. WE HAVE A SOCIAL PAST SYSTEM THAT WAS ESTABLISHED TO DESTRUCTION. AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHICH USED IT AS KIND OF A. WRONG THAT WE WERE DONE. I JUST I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING WAY TO TRANSITION INTO THAT TOPIC OF. HOW HARD WORKING PEOPLE. WHAT ARE WE CONSIDERING IT, MR TERRY. I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER TO CONTINUE WITH DARK, GENEROUSLY COMMENT. AS FARAS. THEY'RE KIND OF. FRINGE CONTRIBUTIONS. WE MENTIONED THAT. YOU SEE THE VETERANS ASSOCIATION INVOLVED? 94. THAT WAS ALSO IN CONJUNCTION WITH DOLLARS, SO THEY WERE WORKING TOGETHER. THEY WERE NOT IN MONUMENT COMMITTEE. THEY CONTRIBUTED TO

[00:50:04]

NEWSPAPER ARTICLE THAT SAID THEY CONTRIBUTED TENANTS LIKE THAT. BUT I'VE ALSO GOT A BOOK.

RACING REUNION TALKS ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION ERA. HE SAYS SOMETHING. FASCINATING AS FARAS. THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE DAUGHTERS TO KENTUCKY. AND IT IS THAT THROUGHOUT THE SPREAD.

OF THE LOST CAUSE. AT LEAST THREE ELEMENTS. AND OVERRIDING SIGNIFICANCE. MOVEMENT'S EFFORT. RIGHT AND CONTROL THE HISTORY. THE WARRANT. ITS USE OF WHITE SUPREMACY AS BOTH MEANS AND ENDS. AND THE PLACE OF WOMEN IN ITS DEVELOPMENT. TALKS ABOUT HOW IT WASN'T JUST YOU DC BUT IT WAS THIS FORWARD. LOVE WOMEN TO SOFTEN THAT. MESSAGE THAT THE SOUTH LOST JUST FOUR. AND SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DAUGHTERS OF CONFEDERACY. INVOLVEMENTS. IT'S NOT SOME FRIENDS KIND OF. THEY ALSO RAN. IT IS. I'VE BEEN PART OF IT SINCE 19 4 THEIR LAST IN TERMS OF MY RESEARCH, LAST DOCUMENT PARTICIPANT FUNDRAISING BEFORE IT WAS PUT UP. AND I THINK IT DOES CORRELATE ALL OF THE OTHER STATUES THAT WE SEE IN AMERICA.

IN TERMS OF TIME. AND PURPOSE. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT WAS MY JUST A PORTION FOR YOU.

YES. YOU GOT TO HEAR ME. SO YOU'VE ESTABLISHED GUARDS VERY WELL. YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN ANY OTHER CONNECTION BEYOND THERE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S GEOFF WARD. SO THEY ARE PART OF THEY WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH. CONFEDERATE VETERANS ASSOCIATION MONTHLY HEALTH IS READY FOR GOOD WAR POOR ATTACHED TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. THEY WERE JUST GREAT. RELATIONSHIPS YEAH, MEETINGS, WITH THE ANGLE OF RE UNIONS THAT THEY HAVE. AN OLD SET WITH OUR CASE, OUR FEELS COORDINATED LOGISTICS AND ALL OF THE PAPERS THAT YOU'LL SEE.

IN MCKINNEY, IS THAT RECAPS WEEKEND. EVERYBODY'S INVOLVED. UTC THAT THIS YOU SEE, AND THEY'RE ACTIVE. AND KIND OF BOTH ORGANIZATIONS PUSHING THAT LAW. NO. THERE ARE MANY.

VETERAN MEMORIALS. USED THROUGHOUT TEXAS. ANGER. YOU, D C HAD MUCH TO DO WITH THIS THAT YOU I WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME INDICATION ALMOST. TWO OF THEIR SPACE. THEY WERE NOT RELUCTANT TO PUT THERE. RAND WERE ON OTHER. THAT USE AND MEMORIALS THROUGHOUT TEXAS, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION WAS SO SMALL THAT THEY WERE DISREGARDED, OUR THEY ARE SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE THERE'S NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER. ON THE WAY, SAY YOU KNOW, I WAS. JUDGE OFFICE. THAT BUILDING. FOR HERE BEFORE HOUSE. NO. SQUARE. NOT REALLY.

NEVER. GOING THROUGH THE SOUTH. PRINCE. I JUST NEVER EVEN WALKED BACK. THAT YOU. AND ONLY RECENTLY DID I GET THAT I GET A CLOSE LOOK. I'M A FAILURE. DAY. THERE'S NOT ONE WORD. NEXT.

MORNING. ABOUT THE. I GUESS I DID. SOMEBODY TOLD ME ONE TIME. BETTER MILITARY DEAL, BUT

[00:55:02]

CIA'S THEY ARE BRASS BUTTONS ARE A MENTIONED. ON THE ON THE MORAL ITSELF. I SPOKE OF BEING.

RATES OF THIS CITY AND I. YOU WERE SAYING TO ME, PAPA. MY MONEY IN IT AND. I HAVE SOMETHING ON THERE. THEY IS IT NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT? WHICH WOULD MAKE IT ANY VETERAN.

WORSE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS PARTICULAR THAT YOU AND YES, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE TO ME. CALL IT BE ON HIM MORE. IT CAN'T BE A CONFEDERATE MEMORIAL. IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BE OBJECTIONABLE BECAUSE. EVEN LET YOU LIVE FOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU CAN'T SAY THIS PARTICULAR. WHAT A GRAND ARE OR WHAT NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. THAT STRUCTURE.

THAT IS WHERE GO. ARE BEING I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT THERE. AND I RESPECT THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THAT'S A FAIR POINT. YOU CAN'T SAY YES, IT'S NOT MINDING IT LACKS THE SYMBOLISM.

TEXT OR WHATEVER THE CASE. 2020 AND WE'RE ALL SMART. WE COULD SAY WE'RE GOING TO WRECK A STATUE OF THE MAN EVEN THOUGH WHAT I WOULD CALL IT. WE KNOW WHAT PEOPLE WOULD PERCEIVE IT THAT ARE YOU HAVING THERE? PEOPLE RUBBISHING? THAT'S THAT. AND. SEE IT FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HERE, TALKING ABOUT FIRST PLACE, REGARDLESS, SOMETHING INDIAN TEXT DOESN'T CHANGE. WHAT SOCIETY. MAY PERCEIVE IT, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT MAN INTENTIONS.

THAT'S THAT'S THE END. SO I RESPECT THAT IN YOUR EAR. ALL RIGHT. THEY HAVE THE SYMBOLISM.

THERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT JUST THAT SIMPLE. DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE WASN'T WHO HE WAAS DIDN'T WORK AND STOOD AGAINST WHAT HE'S DONE GETS. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. ABSENT, ASSEMBLED IT FAIRLY WELL, THERE'S NO SYMBOLISM, SO LET'S GO HOME. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAN? YOU GOTTA GIVE IT A MOMENT AGO. YOU SPOKE ABOUT HIS WORK. AND SO IS YOUR CONTENTION THAT BODY WORK. FOR COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT SEVENTIES? ABSOLUTELY. IT IS. I'M SUPPOSED TO BE REALLY ABOUT. MAX. I GUESS I'LL JUST STICK IN FACT, BUT ALMOST ACTUALLY, FROM WHAT I READ. I HAVE STUDIED NOT. YES, HE WAS A DOCTOR ALONG ALL THESE THINGS RIGHT? PROCEED. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE DOCUMENTATION, ALL MEANS THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF WORK. THIS GUY COULD DO THAT GREAT. THAT JUST QUALIFY HIM. BASED OFF OF YOUR FACTORY OWNED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. THAT IS. THAT'S A LOT OF PICTURES OF ALL OF OUR FOR ME. MAN. I HOPE THAT WITH ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE UP FOR THIS, BUT IT SEEMS THAT MAYBE FOR SOME, THAT'S NOT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE. I THINK, EVEN 99 THINGS OF HIS BODY. GOOD FOR TEXAS ALL OUR ONE AND ONLY ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND YOU'RE DONE. SO I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME TO GET THINGS THAT HE DID. I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

NO WAY SHOULD RELISH THAT. WE SHOULDN'T DIRECT THAT WORSHIP SOMEBODY. WE'RE NOT DIRECTING IT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. DOING THAT A LOT DON'T WANT. I EMPATHIZE WITH YOUR POINT BECAUSE I'M ALSO A DESCENDANT OF SLAVES. LIKE GREAT FATHER. IT'S LATE.

THE EMPEROR JAPAN WORLD WAR TWO. THEY ALMOST KILLED YOU BARELY SURVIVED. YOU HAVE A VERY VALID POINT. WHAT THAT STATUE. IS NOT A FEDERAL MEMORIAL. IT'S NOT RECOGNIZED

[01:00:08]

THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE WHEN THEY PUT IT UP TO YOU. I MEAN, SEXUAL THINGS.

SHARE SOMETHING THERE. IT'S ACTUALLY THERE. YES, THIS WAY. YES I GOT A LOT OF GREAT STUFF FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE A LOT OF GREAT CAUSES. WOULD WE STILL BE OK WITH DIRECT STATUE RIGHT NOW? KNOWING WHAT. HIS LEGS. WELL, HE COULD DO ALL GOOD BUT THIS YOUNG KID AND DO THAT YOU'RE ALL HOT TO ME. SO I CAN'T PUT HIM IN THAT SAME BOOK, IS THERE. YOU CAN. YOU CAN SAY IT'S NOT EVEN. MAYBE I COULD BE OPEN, BUT THEN WE GOTTA GO. MAN. DOES THE A DESERVE TO BE IN A PUBLIC SQUARE. ANY BACK SOMEWHERE ELSE. CAN YOU NOT TAKE THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND LET IT BE. ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO REMEMBER HIM? REMEMBER HISTORY? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC PLACE COURTHOUSE, WHICH IS IN PLACE FOR EQUALITY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL AND. SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT. THAT WAS THE CASE AND SOMETHING STILL THERE TODAY. AND TAXPAYERS, RIGHT? SO WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO BE FORCED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING? EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT VERY BUT A GUY INSTEAD FOR ADVANCEMENT OF PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE ME AND MY ANCESTORS IN THAT. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO JUST DEAL WITH THAT? WHAT WHY? WHY WOULD THAT BE OKAY? WE EVERYBODY IN HERE. I COULD JUST GET THAT, LIKE LITERALLY LIKE A STATUE OF ME.

MICHAEL X CHILDREN. THAT WAS YEARS AGO, RIGHT, PUT IT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND SAID. YOU JUST GOTTA DEAL WITH. HE DID A LOT OF THINGS THAT WOULD NOT BE OKAY WITH THAT LIFE. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GET OUT. WE NEEDED IN HERE. FOR A LITTLE CASH. YOU COME DOWN. A LITTLE.

BIT GET A LITTLE PASSIONATE, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FEEL BETTER LODGING HERE. YOU GUYS GO ON ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE'S A GREAT GUY. YOU'RE DISQUALIFIED, AND I'M SURE THERE'S MORE RIGHT. THAT ALONG IS NOT A PLACE THAT I THINK THAT THAT'S. OFF BEFORE ADJUSTMENT. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT STATUE FOR. AS A TESTAMENT TO PEOPLE. THAT'S IT. PEOPLE PUT UP AT THAT TIME. WALK IT'S SORT OF ATTITUDE THAT WE'VE GROWN? YES, IF YOU. WANT.

YOU'RE IN WAY POSSIBLE THAT. JACK'S FIELD SERVICE THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T LIKE HOW YOU THINK THAT I WOULD SAY. YOU CAN, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE FLOODGATES OF ALL THE OTHER CURRENT LEADERS WHO SOME PEOPLE FEEL ARE OKAY NOW BECAUSE THIS MAN MAY DIRECT WHEN A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF RESTON COMMUNITY MAY NOT FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT THAT PERSON. IF

[01:05:02]

DAYS OLD. HISTORY. HOW MUCH FARTHER. I'LL WALK YOU OUT. WHAT WE WANT. ALL THE PAST EVERYTHING TAKEN WAY NEVER LOOK BACK AND SAY. AT THAT 0.100 PEOPLE. A LITTLE CHAIRMAN BECAUSE NOT YET, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A REASON HIS STATUE. NOT. IT'S MARVELOUS, GREAT ROCK.

WHATEVER IT'S NOT. HISTORY DOESN'T CHANGE HISTORY IF HE IS NO LONGER AT THE COURTHOUSE, THAT HISTORY WILL ALWAYS BE BOOKS. IT'S IT'S WHERE HE WANTED. THIS WOULD JUST GET UP.

HISTORY JUST WHAT WOULD BE WRONG WITH QUESTIONS WOULD BE WRONG WITH TAKING THAT AND PUTTING IT IN A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT. YOU KNOW THAT TYPE OF HISTORY. THEY GO CHECK THAT OUT. ALL OF IT. EVERYBODY THAT, YOU KNOW. TAKE LITTLE JOHNNY. RELATED. EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT HISTORY. ONE SHOOT YOUR BUILDING. THAT'S PROBABLY ALL OUR SHOW. CAMPBELL. WHAT IS IT? ONE POINT TURN ABOUT. ONE ABOUT SHOT PICTURE ONE PICTURE.

YOU SHOULD GO OVER THERE. SOME POINT FRUIT. THERE'S SOMETHING ALL OF YOUR FAVORITE BALL.

EVERYBODY MISSES HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT. WAIT WE TALKED ABOUT HISTORY, MRS HISTORY. AND I'M SAYING THE OPPOSITE OF HISTORY. AND WE LOVE WHAT WE ARE NOW. ALL HISTORY. IS HIS STONE.

BECAUSE THAT'S A CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. STORY BEING TOLD THAT PERSON WHAT'S COME TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE TRUTH. TRUE. OH, MY FATHER IS OFF IN MY LIFE. ACTUALLY, IT IS. THE REASON YOU DON'T SEE TODAY. A LOT OF AFRICAN AMERICANS. THE SCORE IS BECAUSE A LOT.

SENTIMENT OF THE SLAP IN THE CONFEDERACY. STILL LINGERING CRIMINAL MESSAGES RIGHT NOW TODAY. POINT BEING. I LOOKED THE OTHER WAY. I WAS LOOKING TO SCORE. THE COURTHOUSE IS RIGHT.

I REMEMBER, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A COURTHOUSE. LET'S GO. LOOK AT THE FACTS. THERE WAS WATER. CALLING ALL RESCUE. THE FLIGHTS QUITE LIKE LEFT. A CERTAIN POINT IN THE COURTHOUSE. MONOPOLY. THERE'S A COURTHOUSE. SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES OFF STYLE COMPUTERISED AWAY.

LOUISIANA. GOD. MOSTLY. ALL OF THOSE MESSAGES. CONFEDERACY. I'VE GOT A LONG RESPONSE, AS

[01:10:13]

I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. I THINK IT WAS LOST. I'LL CHANGE. I JUST MR CHAIR THINGS WHENEVER YOU'RE SPEAKING, IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE YOUR FACE MASK YOU CAN DO THAT'S WEEKEND. GET IT CLEAR ON THE RECORD. YES, YEAH. SORRY BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE RECORDING IT. I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL IN IF YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHENEVER YOU'RE TALKING IF YOU WANT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT MAYBE 20 MORE MINUTES. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PRESENTATION WE'D LIKE TO GIVE TODAY WAY HAVE WON MORE THAN ACTUALLY JUDGE WHITE KIND OF REQUESTED US TO TAKE A TAKE A LOOK INTO AND SO, MR JUST PERFECT. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES OVER HERE. BUT JUST A QUICK RESPONSE TO TAKING DOWN STATUES.

STATUES WERE TAKEN DOWN ALL THE TIME. WHEN WE REVOLTED AGAINST BRITISH COLLINS. FIRST THING WE DID WAS TEAR DOWN THE STATUE OF ST GEORGE. AND I WOULD GUESS WE'RE IN. UNITED STATES HAS

[01:15:07]

ISN'T THAT AMERICANS? WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T MAKE THAT COMPARISON. BECAUSE OF THE SOUTH. LOST THIS WAR. AND WE'VE WE'VE CREATED MONUMENTS IN THAT MEMORY, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A LOSING SIDE. I THINK THAT'S A MORE APT COMPARISON RATHER THAN AMERICAN JUST DECIDED TO CHANGE. THIS IS AN AMERICAN MONUMENT. THIS IS A CONFEDERATE. YOU WERE ASKING EARLIER, JUST ABOUT PUTTING THE NAMES ON THE STATUES. UP THERE. I THINK THE CITY MEDICAL CREATED IN TWO DIFFERENT HOMES. SO THE HEAD ESTELLE WAS CREATED BY FLYNN'S OF HIS. THAT RAISED THE MONEY AND PUT IT UP WITHIN THREE YEARS OF HIS DEATH. BUT THEY COULD NOT RAISE THE MONEY AFTER SEVERAL NEWSPAPER ARTICLES. THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. HUNDREDS JUST PLEASE FINISH ONE SAID FINISH IT OR GET RID OF IT. BECAUSE IT JUST SITS UP THERE. AND SO IT WAS. PEOPLE LIKE DAUGHTERS. CONFEDERACY STEPPED IN. I WANT TO MENTION. IN TERMS OF DAUGHTERS. THEY ERECTED STATUES AND. PARIS IN 19 3 BOTTOM IN 1905. GAMES BUILDING 19 AWAY COURSE IT CAN. HOFFMAN IN 1911. PALESTINAN 1911 NOW PLEASANT IN 19. LOXAHATCHEE IN 1912. CRANBERRY IN 1913, WEATHERFORD, 1915. FARMERS STILL IN 1917. LEVER IN ACTION 76, OR CAN I. GET IN THE 19 8 GREEN GO IN 1926 SO. WE CAN'T WAIT CAN AGREE THAT THEY WERE INVOLVED. PUT IT DOWN. I THINK I THINK WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH IS. THIS WAAS, A CONFEDERATE MONUMENT. TO THIS COMMUNITY.

AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE. IF YOU KILL ME. FOR WHAT THEY DID. IN EVERY COUNTING ALLOWANCE. IT'S THE SAME THING. KENNETH WAS SAYING, EH? YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? HOW GOOD UPSTATE. THE PEDESTAL LISTED. I THINK IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT. THAT HE WASN'T THAT FOR EVERYONE. MR CAMPBELL, YOU STAY IN YOUR PAPER. A QUOTE FROM HIM. ABOUT YOU. AFRICAN AMERICAN SUFFRAGE. AT THAT TIME, I KIND OF. YOUR YOUR EMPHASIS WAS ON HE'S CONCEDING SLAVERY. IT NEEDED TO BE ABOLISHED TO ESTABLISH PEACE. BUT IT DOESN'T MENTION A QUOTE. HE MADE HER BELIEVE IN THE SAME LETTER NOT TO THE SAME PERSON AND I WANT TO READ THIS QUOTE. IF WE FAIL IN THIS STRUGGLE, WE BECOME THE MOST DEGRADED PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. OUR OWN SLAVES WILL BE PUT ON QUALITY WITH US BY OUR MASTERS. THEY WILL BECOME OUR TASK MASTER. OUR INHERITANCE WILL BE DIVIDED. WITH THEM. AND THEN HE ALSO WENT ON TO SAY. WE MAY HAVE TO GIVE UP SLAVERY, BUT EVEN THAT IS NOT HOPELESS, IF PROPERLY MANAGED, OR AT LEAST THE FORCE OF THE SHOCK. THE GREAT INDUSTRIAL INTERESTS IN COUNTY MAYBE GREAT, PARALYZED AND DEAD. ON THE LATER REGARDING THE RIGHTS WAS. AND HAVE A LISTEN. IT'S GLORIFIED IN IT. AND I FEAR THAT HE IS OR NEGRO SUFFRAGE IS. OUR SUFFRAGE CITY ON JURORS DECLARED. AND THIS WAS A QUOTE BY THAT GENTLEMAN WHO YOU USED. AS A SOURCE. MR. HOW? DOCTOR HOW. THROCKMORTON DECLARED THAT HE WOULD RATHER QUOTE REMAIN UNDER MILITARY RULE, ALWAYS RATHER THAN YOUR ANYTHING BUT AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE NEGRO HAS BEEN FREED BY THE ACT OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE RECOGNIZE.

IT IS AN EXISTING FACT WE HAVE NO JUST DIFFERENT DISPOSITION. QUARREL ANY MORE ABOUT IT, BUT HE DENIED ANY DESIRE TO RESTORE SLAVERY. BUT HE EXPRESSED OPTIMISM THAT WE WILL BE UNABLE TO DUCK. ADOPT A COERCIVE SYSTEM OF LABOUR. AND SO DON'T. WHEN YOU GET INTO THE END OF THE CIVIL WAR, HE RECOGNIZES THAT SLAVERY. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU GIVE UP, TOO FOR

[01:20:01]

THAT HE WAS LOOKING TO CREATE. AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A GOOD CITIZEN OR SOMEONE WHO PEOPLE BELIEVED AT THAT TIME IT WAS A PORTION OF IT WAS WHITE. IT WASN'T PEOPLE. AND SO AS WE SET UP A COMMUNITY TODAY YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT RACE. WE ARE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY TODAY. THEN WE WERE THE WAY HE WAS TRYING TO SHAKE US AND WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO. AFTER THE CIVIL WAR AND THREW HIS EFFORTS OF BEING AN IMPEDIMENT TO DIRECT RECONSTRUCTION. WAS HE CREATED JIM PRO MEAN? WE'VE SPENT BUT EIGHT YEARS IN THIS COUNTRY. UNDERWIRE CODES AND UNDER VOTING RUNS, AND IT WAS UNDER HIS DESIGN. AND THIS IS WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO FLIP. WAS THIS RACIAL CASTE SYSTEM. CREATED. POWER FOR HIM. SUPREMACY FOR HIM. AND SUBJECT ATION FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. WE SHOULD LOOK PAST THAT. HE WAS A GOOD SERVICE.

IT'S JUST THAT YOU MENTIONED THE POLITICAL ASPECT OF THIS POLITICAL PARTY MEMBER OF HE WAS AWAY AND THEN. I THINK. I MEAN, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TEO. THIS'S THE TOP DISCUSSION THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE, OBVIOUSLY, TODAY, SO I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO DID. I JUST

[Consider/Discuss Presentation on Monuments, Memorials, and Artifacts]

WHAT ARE MEMORIALS, MONUMENTS AND ARTIFACTS THERE PUBLIC ART WITH THE POLITICAL AND SOCIAL PURPOSE, THEY CAN FUNCTION AS A RECEPTACLE FOR EMOTION. AND PUBLIC GRIEF OR MEMORIALS IN PARTICULAR, HAVE ALREADY TOUCHED ON THE VIETNAM VETERANS MEMORIAL, WHICH IS THERE IN THAT CENTER PICTURE, AND THEN THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, COMMEMORATE EVENTS OR EXPERIENCES OF THE PAST. THEY'RE INTENDED FOR POSTERITY BY THEIR DURABILITY AND PERMANENCE. SO LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF STATUES OF MEMORIALS AND MONUMENTS, SO IT COULD BE A SPECIFIC PERSON. WE CAN CELEBRATE A VISION, THEIR LEADERSHIP IN THE CIVIC CONVENTION CONVICTIONS. THERE COULD BE LESS SPECIFIC STATUARY OR MONUMENTS THAT COMMEMORATE EVENTS AND OR EXPERIENCES OF MANY AGAIN. WE THINK OF THE VIETNAM WAR MEMORIAL OR THE STATUE OF A GENERIC SOLDIER AGAIN. THOSE THAT WENT UP RIGHT AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, PRIMARILY IN THE SOUTH CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS AND IN SOME MAY MORE RECENT MONUMENTS. CAN ALSO PRESENT A COUNTERBALANCE TO THOSE VIEWS AND OUR NARRATIVES THAT WOULD PORTRAY BEHOLDER MONUMENTS MEMORIALS. ABOUT THE ROSA PARKS. STATUES THAT GO UP NOW, ANYTHING RELATED CIVIL RIGHTS AGAIN. THOSE ARE A COUNTERBALANCE TO THOSE STATUES THAT MAY HAVE GONE UP AGAIN DURING THE GYM CROW ERA. HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. SO WHAT KIND SOME HISTORY IN RECENT TRENDS SO EARLY AMERICAN MONUMENTS WERE OFTEN UNFINISHED. IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO COMPLETE. RECENT TRENDS IN MONUMENT DESIGN KIND OF THE RESIST THAT TRADITIONAL INTERPRETATION MEMORIALS. WE HAVE THE. A STATUE OF THE MINUTEMAN THERE IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS, HAS PUT UP AFTER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. THAT WAS A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF MONUMENT. NEW ONES TODAY. MAYBE THEY REMAIN AT STREET LEVEL THERE NOT NECESSARILY LARGER THAN LIFE AGAIN. WE HAD A PICTURE OF ROSA PARKS. SHE'S SITTING DOWN. THAT'S A LOT OF LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE REMEMBER HER SITTING IN THAT BUS. IS HER MOST INFAMOUS ACT. SO THEY ARE INVITING TO VISITORS. AND THEN THEY ENCOURAGE LEAVING OF ARTIFACTS. SO WHENEVER I THINK OF THAT, I THINK OF MEMORIALS THAT HAVE POPPED UP AFTER THE MASSACRE IN EL PASO LAST YEAR. YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THAT PICTURE. PEOPLE LEFT ARTIFACTS AFTER 9 11 AND ALL OF US SAW PICTURES OF ARTIFACTS, MEMORIALS, PICTURES STUFFED BEARS LEFT AT THE SITE THERE. GROUND ZERO OKLAHOMA CITY AS WELL. AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NOW WE NOW KEEP. AND TREASURE AND MEMORIALIZES. WELL, THEY COULD BE LIKE PROJECTIONS. THEY COULD BE TEMPORARY INSTALLATIONS. THEY COULDN'T EVEN LIVING MEMORIALS. I THINK OF THE AIDS. MEMORIAL THAT IS SHOWS UP WHERE PEOPLE HAVE STITCHED TOGETHER PIECES OF QUILT. AND SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WHAT WE THINK OF AS MONUMENTS, MEMORIALS. SO WE WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS TODAY. BUT THE GRAPHIC ON THIS LIE WAS WAS PREPARED, AND IT PROVIDES THAT CONTEXTUAL TIMELINE AGAIN. WHENEVER THESE CONFEDERATE RELATE STATUES OF MEMORIALS WERE PLACED. ONDAS YOU CAN SEE THE RISE. THE VERY TOP PART IS 1910 1911, AND THAT WAS REALLY WHENEVER JIM CROW LAWS ANOTHER SEPARATE, BUT EQUAL LAWS WERE BEING ENACTED. ACROSS THE SOUTH IN PARTICULAR. THESE WERE SPONSORED BY THE UNITED DOLLARS OR THE CONFEDERACY. FOR THE

[01:25:02]

BUT I WANT TO PUT IT IN YOUR MIND OF WHAT ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE CITY OWNED PROPERTY OR COULD BE CONSIDERED. WITHIN THIS TIME FRAME OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED. OBJECTIVE TO OUR CITIZENS. SOME OF US HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THROCKMORTON STREET. WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT NEXT TIME WHERE WE GOT THAT, UH, THE NAMING OF THROCKMORTON STREET. AND SO IN CONCLUSION. I LOVE THIS QUOTE. THIS IS PROVIDED BY THE AMERICAN HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS SAYS A MONUMENT IS NOT HISTORY ITSELF. A MONUMENT COMMEMORATES AN ASPECT OF HISTORY. REPRESENTING A MOMENT IN THE PAST WHEN A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE DECISION TO FIND WHO WOULD BE HONORED IN THE COMMUNITIES, PUBLIC SPACES AND I KIND OF WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS CONTEXT. SO THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE NATIONAL. MEMORIAL FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE IN MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA, AND WHAT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ACTUAL TOMBSTONES THAT HANG DOWN THAT COMMEMORATE THE LYNCHINGS IN UNITED STATES DURING A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD. THOSE AIR FOR EVERY COUNTY IN UNITED STATES THAT HAVE THOSE WITHIN YOU JUXTAPOSE THAT WITH, YOU KNOW MOUNT RUSHMORE, GEORGE WASHINGTON, THOMAS JEFFERSON, THEODORE ROOSEVELT, NEIGHBOR HELM, LINCOLN AND SO AGAIN. OUR MONUMENTS THAT WERE PUTTING UP IN THE PAST AND TODAY WERE, YOU KNOW, COMMEMORATE HIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF OUR HISTORY THAT ALL KIND OF COME TOGETHER. SO REALLY, THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION AND GUIDANCE AGAIN. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, JUDGE WIDES REQUEST OF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND SO WE'RE HERE FOR ANY DISCUSSION, GUIDANCE PRIDE FOR THE NEXT MAYBE 10 15 MINUTES. I DON'T WANT EMPRESS TO GET MAD AT ME FOR US, YOU KNOW, GETTING PAST OUR OUR TIME IN THE ROOM FOR SHE HAS TO SET IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. JUST. ONE ABOUT THE MONUMENT FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE. I WENT TO THAT. FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, THEY HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR EVERYONE IN THERE WAS A LYNCHING CALLING. IT HAPPENED THE SAME YEAR HE DIRECTED PROBLEM FARMERS, THOSE GENTLEMEN COMMODORE JONES. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING HIM BACK TO MCKINNON. IN LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE WOULD HAVE BEEN COUNTED. DIDN'T GET THERE IN TIME BEFORE THEY COULD MUNCH FARMERS. FOUR. SOMETHING BAD TO A TELEPHONE. WITHIN SIX YEARS OF THAT FARMERS ALSO PUT UP STATUES. STILL THERE TODAY. THOSE. JOON SUNG'S THEY HAVE ONE THAT HANGS ON THE INSIDE OF ONE. OR EVER COUNTED THAT CAN TALKED TO BRING THERE'S HOME. MUSIC DOESN'T MEMORIAL IN THEIR COUNTIES LIKELY THE SPOT WHERE IT HAPPENED, SO PROBABLY SOMETHING. THE FORMER STILL DO. AND BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE OF WE COULD CONSIDER. BUT THEY DO SHARE THAT AS A MONUMENT TO PEOPLE DURING THIS PERIOD. WE WERE JUST RACIAL CASTE. WELL, UH, I THINK ALL OF THESE. PHOTOGRAPHS ALL THESE BORDER JUST HERE.

THEY ARE ALL THE PRESERVE OF. MORE ITALIAN, BUT TO ME, I WOULD BE VERY UPSET.

CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS IS. THAT YOU BEING TORN DOWN AND DRAGGED IN THE STREET. HERE PARENTAGE.

BECAUSE SOME BRUTE PROBABLY. DON'T LIKE THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE THING TO RECOGNIZE. COLUMBUS. AND EVEN THOUGH TODAY NOT ALL THAT POPULAR AMONG MANY WHAT. I WOULDN'T TEAR DOWN ONE OF THOSE WAR REGARDLESS OF WHAT AND I WOULD HOPE THAT 100 YEARS FROM NOW. NOBODY ELSE WOULD WANT TO TEAR DOWN ABOUT RUSHMORE. ARE THE ARE THE MEMORIAL.

[01:30:04]

POLITICAL AND SOCIAL ARE. LOVELY ART WITH A POLITICAL PART OF THE SOCIAL ARE SOCIAL PURPOSE, BUT, UH, WE'RE ALL. WE ALL HAVE OUR PATIENTS ARE ALL THE ABLE TO PUT A. MEMORIALS TO THOSE THINGS, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORGAN FREEMAN. PEOPLE IN GREEN. ALL PART OF A WAR BETWEEN THE STATES OF NORTH AND SOUTH. THEY'RE NEVER BEEN A WAR THAT HAS BEEN DEVASTATING FOR THIS COUNTRY, PART OF DEATH AND DISMEMBERMENT AND AMY. OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE. AT WAR. HARDLY HARDLY. ANY HOUSEHOLD IN THE COUNTRY WAS UNAFFECTED. HI THERE. AND THEY WERE IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T. I CAN'T PRODUCE DOCUMENTS JUST I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE. SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE ATTRIBUTED TO.

IT'S SORT OF LIKE TO SEE THE SOURCE OF THAT, BUT I THINK WE ARE. YOU. MORE MORE MORE MORE STATUES BEFORE WE GET TO KILL JUSTIN. OTHER FEW PEOPLE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING TONIGHT.

MORGAN. YOU SAID TONIGHT ACTUALLY, ALL OKAY, SO JUST AND THOSE WHO HAVEN'T COME INTO QUID SPEAK NOW. THEN WE HAVE PROMISED WILL GIVE JUSTICE. YOU KNOW, I REALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE REMEMBER OUR HISTORY. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHY THE PLACEMENT. OF WHERE HE IS AND YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND IT WAS THE COURTHOUSE. BUT WHY? IN THE MIDDLE. AT THE SQUARE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK OF THE SQUARE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S FESTIVE AND I THINK OF CELEBRATING AND I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I'M 63. AND I HAVE NEVER KNOWN MUCH ABOUT THIS STATUE LIKE THAT, LIKE I HAVE IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SEE. AND YOU KNOW, AND SO NOW, THAT'S MIKE. I MEAN, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT. THE PLACEMENT OF IT IS WHAT I QUESTION AND YOU KNOW, I WANT TO PRESERVE IT. AND I WANT TO REMEMBER HISTORY, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE PLACE. FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR JUSTIN EARLIER TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAT HAD CONFEDERATE STATUES. IS THERE SOMETHING ON THE STAND YOU ON A PEDESTAL? LITERALLY MENTIONS THAT IT'S IN HONOR OF BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THE. CONFEDERACY UNLIKE THIS ONE HERE, I HAVE NOT BEEN ALL OF THOSE OF THEM HAVING RESEARCH PAPERS AND STUFF. IF THAT WERE THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS THAT.

WE'RE PLACED PEDESTAL ONE GROUP AND THEN STATUE WAS ERECTED LATER. AND SO IT WAS HARD TO CHANGE WHAT WAS ON THE PEDESTAL WITHOUT RECREATING IT. THEY WERE ALREADY HAVING. SO NOBODY WANTED TO RECREATE PEDESTAL. WITH THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS INFORMED THEM 18, OKAY? SO I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK THAT. WE CAN COMPARE THEM EXACTLY BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES. I CAN, ALMOST THE LAST WORKING RESERVED MYSELF. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'LL TAKE THIS UP. JUDGE.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE FOR, UH, APPRECIATE THAT. I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. IT HIT ME AS YOU WERE TALKING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT YOU REALLY HAVE A TOUGH TIME FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU IN TERMS OF HOW IT MAKES THEM FEEL. AND SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN ANALOGY, MAYBE DRAW YOU CLOSER. YOU SEEM LIKE A GOOD MAN OF HONORABLE INTENTIONS. I'LL BE SORRY FOR SHOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT.

SUPPOSE WE THINK OF PEOPLE WHO ORDERED THEIR HEART AND THAT'S WHY I SAID CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I'M JUST MAKING AN OBSERVATION FOR YOU. SHOULD YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE, NOT TRYING TO DIE. THE REASON I SAID THAT CHAIR IS BECAUSE, HE SAID, IF I WERE ITALIAN, COLUMBUS WENT

[01:35:05]

VERY CAN I, UH. I THINK I THINK YOU'RE WRONG. OBVIOUSLY. GOVERNMENT. ONE TIME ONE OF MY FELLOW JUDGES BEING PICKED FOR A JURY IN DALLAS. THEY ASKED ME TO BE FAIR, HE SAID. THIS IS SO UNFAIR FOR A LIVING. AND I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT I PLAYER MINDED AND I'M LOOKING FOR FACT LOOKING DOCUMENTATION. AND I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT JUSTIN SAYING ABOUT. AROUND COUNTIES AND PARTICULARLY FIRE. WHAT MORALS. I AM A HISTORIAN. GENEALOGIST. AND SO FROM MY HISTORICAL STANDPOINT, I REALLY LIKE. MEMORIAL ARTIFACTS AND. I REALIZE NOT EVERYBODY APPRECIATES. SAME THING I APPRECIATE. I AM NOT DENIGRATING. YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THINGS. CONSIDERING THEM ANY LAST WAY OUT OF THINGS, BUT I UNDERSTAND. VIEWPOINTS. BACKGROUND SO FORTH. NOW LISTEN, YOU. YES JUST SPIRIT MADE CONNEMARA MAN, WHAT YOU SAID. PEOPLE COME TO THE SCORE THINKING A FESTIVE THINGS. BUT IT MADE ME GO BACK TO THANK YEARS AGO. COURTHOUSE FOUR SQUARES ALL OVER THE SOUTH USED LYNCH. YES, THAT'S ONE WORD PICNIC CAME BECAUSE. THEY PICK A CERTAIN PERSONAL COURT.

ACCIDENTS LIKE TAKEN IT. THEY'RE GOING SO THEY HAVE EXPRESSED WHAT THAT INDIVIDUAL GET HOME. SO. THAT COULD BE THE REASON FOR THAT. IS THERE YOU AND RECORD FOR THAT. THAT MENTALITY. THAT SLAP ARRIVES. COMMENT AND EMOTION. SOME KIND OF DEROGATORY SUGGESTED. I THINK YOU MADE A COMMENT. THAT WAS A WIG AND A DEMOCRAT. WE KNOW THE LEAGUE IS TO BE THE FOREFATHERS REPUBLICAN. AND THEY WERE SLAVERY DIDN'T WANT MANAGE RECONSTRUCTION WITH

[01:40:04]

WE HAVE IT, TOO. DO TRYING TO FIND IF THERE'S CONFEDERATE, LOCATED ON THOSE WORDS OF ALL THOSE OTHER STATUES AROUND WHAT OTHER CITIES. COUNTIES HAVE DONE AROUND US, AND THEY'RE GONNA START TALK ABOUT OPTIONS FOR THE STATUE NEXT MEETING ALSO WHAT WE WANT, WHAT AIR SOME OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT ACCOUNTS OF WHAT WE COULD DO WITH EVERYTHING OKAY? SHINTO. OKAY? SECOND OF ALL A FAVOR. I'VE TAKEN. JUDGE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.