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[CALL TO ORDER]

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IS CALLING ME IN ORDER. AND GET SOMEONE TO DO OUR ATTENTION IN PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

IMAGINATIONS. ONE. OR WE JUST THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY. WE JUST PRAY THAT YOU'RE. WORD WISDOM UPON US TONIGHT. AS WE DISCUSSED PARTICULARLY HOT TOPIC IN THE COMMUNITY, LORD JUST PRAY FOR COOL HEADS TONIGHT WHERE WE PRAY FOR YOUR WORD AND YOUR SPIRIT TO LEAD US THROUGH THIS. SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA

[Consider/Discuss on Statement of Purpose Review and Meeting Intro]

IS 20-7. TO DISCUSS ONE STATEMENT OF PERSONAL TO YOU. HELLO, EVERYBODY. YOU CAME BACK. I AM KIM FOUND MONEY. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER'S HERE IN MCKINNEY. HAPPY TO BE WITH YOU HERE WITH YOU TODAY. GOING TO GO OVER A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS THAT WENT OVER LAST TIME TO PROVIDE JUST ANOTHER INTRODUCTION FOR ANYONE WHO MAY BE WATCHING OR IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY. SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL CREATED THIS BOARD TO HELP OVERSEE STAFF AND THE RESEARCH RELATED TO THE CONTEXT. THE APPROPRIATENESS AND THE RELEVANCY OF THE THROCKMORTON STATUE. WHICH IS LOCATED OVER AT IMPACT. AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO PROVIDE SOME THOROUGH AND BALANCED INFORMATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL SO THEY COULD MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH THAT STATUE. CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE STATUE HAS BEEN VERY PASSIONATE. SOMETIMES THEY HAVE BEEN HEATED. AND AS PAUL MENTIONED LAST TIME, THIS IS A CHANCE TO TURN DOWN THE VOLUME AND HAVE. GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AND REALLY LEARN MORE ABOUT IT, AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR RULES AND HELPING US DO THAT. I THOUGHT PAUL DID AN AWESOME JOB LAST TIME TALKING ABOUT THE GAP MONS FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE.

UM AND I HAD TO WRITE THEM ALL DOWN BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ALL OF THEM SO I'D LOOK HIM UP AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE SO GOOD. I SHARED WITH MY HUSBAND. I'M LIKE, HEY, DID YOU EVER SEE THIS IS REALLY GREAT STUFF. SO JUST A REMINDER FOR THE GROUP. YOU KNOW THOSE THOSE HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE THAT DESTROYED TRUST IN RELATIONSHIPS INCLUDE CRITICISM, CONTEMPT, DEFENSIVENESS AND STONEWALLING. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL I THINK LAST TIME WAS A SHINING EXAMPLE OF AN INCREDIBLY RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION THAT DID INCLUDE DIFFERING OPINIONS, BUT WE COULD ALL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN AN OPEN FORUM AND WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD. ALSO HAS MENTIONED LAST TIME THIS BOARD IS GOING TO BE THREE TIMES AND EACH MEETING HAS A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE WHO, WHAT, AND WHERE YOU ESCAPE, WE GAVE YOU THE INFORMATION YOU HAD YOU GUYS SHARED INFORMATION WITH US. AFTER THE MEETING WE REQUESTED FOR FOLKS TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME SOURCES. WE VERY MUCH THANK YOU PREFER PROVIDING THOSE THOSE WILL BECOME PART OF THE TRANSCRIPT AND THE WHOLE BINDER OF INFORMATION THAT WILL BE PROVIDING TO COUNSEL. ADDITIONALLY, THAT MEETING WAS RECORDED AND ANYONE WHO WANTS TO WATCH IT CAN JUST GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE AND CHECK IT OUT IF THEY'D LIKE TO. TODAY. WE'RE SORT OF TURNING THE PAGE ON THE WHO, WHAT? WHEN CHAPTER AND NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO WHAT COMES NEXT. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARK. DESIGNATION ON THE STATUE AND WHAT THAT MEANS, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF THERE'S ANY IF THERE'S A DECISION TO MOVE THE STATUE OR REALLY DO ANYTHING AROUND IT, WE'RE GONNA NEED A PERMIT. SO WHAT KIND OF PERMIT IS THAT? WHAT DOES THAT INVOLVE? WE'RE ALSO GETTING AN OVERVIEW OF THE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, RANGING FROM LEAVE, AS IS ALL THE WAY TO DONATE OR SELL AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, AND WE'D LOVE YOUR INPUT AS RELATED TO ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE DID INCLUDE ARE THEIR POLICY CONSIDERATIONS AROUND OPTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT BE SEEING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR COUNSEL TO KNOW. THIS. WE HOPED WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION REALLY DOVE INTO THIS. AND WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT WE POLITELY REQUEST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF SAVED THOSE FOR THE LAST MEETING IS THAT LAST MEETING IS REALLY ALL ABOUT THE PUBLIC OPINION AND COMMENT. INTO THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO JUST GIVE YOU A SUPER QUICK OVERVIEW ON WHAT WE PLANNED FOR THAT THE MEETING IS DEFINITELY A COMPONENT, BUT WE HAVE SOME

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ONLINE PLATFORM AS WELL TO TRY. TIO ENGAGE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE IN THIS CONVERSATION.

AFTER THOSE THREE MEETINGS WERE GOING TO COMPILE THE INFORMATION FROM EVERYONE SAID, PUT A WHOLE PACKET OF INFORMATION TOGETHER TO THE COUNCIL AND PRESENT THAT TO THEM IN AN EARLY OCTOBER MEETING. AS RELATED TO JUST A FEW HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. OBVIOUSLY, RESTAURANTS ARE LOCATED JUST OUTSIDE THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS HERE ALSO, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE, YOU DO NOT NEED TO WEAR YOUR MASK WHILE PRESENTING. SO IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WHEN YOUR SPEAKING YOU MAY TAKE IT OFF, BUT YOU CAN ALSO LEAVE IT ON EITHER WAY IS FINE WITH US. AGAIN. REALLY, REALLY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY IN SERVING ON THIS.

WE KNOW YOUR TIME IS INCREDIBLY VALUED AND WE APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US AND WITH THAT WILL KICK OFF OUR AGENDA. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS UNFORTUNATE STEPS DOWN WITH WATER? ONE QUESTION FOR YOU MENTIONED ABOUT WAYS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY ON A SEPARATE MATTER. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? YES, I CAN. AND JACK, I WILL BE GIVING JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW ON THAT AS WELL. SO THE THIRD MEETING IS ESSENTIALLY DEDICATED TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE WILL SET THAT UP SO THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ATTEND SIMILAR PROBABLY TO COUNCIL MEETINGS CAN FILL OUT A CARD AND WILL BE GIVEN A TIME LIMIT TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE SORT OF DEVELOPED. CALLING TO KEVIN ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT PLATFORM. IT'S BUILT. THE SAME WAY YOU'D BUILD A SURVEY. BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A SURVEY. YOU ANSWER ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS. AND THEN THERE'S JUST A FIELD WHERE YOU CAN PROVIDE COMMENT, AND IT'S ASKING FOLKS IF THEY KIND OF OUTLINING THE SAME OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE TODAY. WHETHER THEY LIKE ONE MANY, NONE. AND THEN THERE'S JUST A FIELD WHERE THEY CAN JUST NARRATE THEIR OPINION. SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION IF SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO ATTEND THE MEETING. THE LINK WILL ALSO INCLUDE INFORMATION TO WHERE THEY COULD WATCH THESE TWO MEETINGS AND GET THIS INFORMATION AS WELL SO THEY CAN GET THAT BACKGROUND ON THAT ONLINE PUBLIC ON IN SURVEY THAT YOU JUST. HOW MANY LIGHT FOR INSTANCE IS THAT JUST A LINK AND I GOT TO KEEP MY HOUSE HOW DO YOU CONTROL ONE PERSON SPEAKING FOR THE WHOLE HOUSE VERSUS INDIFFERENT PERSON? YEAH I KNOW THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT AND I WILL BE I'LL BE VERY HONEST. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A VERY TRUE SCIENTIFIC SURVEY. IT IS. WE'RE USING A PLATFORM THAT THE CITY HAS A SUBSCRIPTION TO COLD. SEND CITY DO NOT HAVE THE DETAILS AS TO HOW IT SELECTS FOR THAT OR WHETHER IT CONNECTS. SOMETIMES THAT'LL CONNECT TO AN I P ADDRESS AND ONLY ALLOW ONE PER BUT I CAN LOOK INTO THAT WILL GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. IS THERE A WAY WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIMIT COMMENTERS TO MCKINNEY RESIDENCE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE FOLKS OUTSIDE THE CITY, COMMENTING ABOUT CITY BUSINESS? I DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO SEE IF ANYONE IN THE ROOM KNOWS THAT I DO BELIEVE WE CAN LIMIT THE TIME. SO WE CAN TAKE THE TIME BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COMMENTS. SO WHEN THEY COME TO THE MEETING. SO, BUT WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT IF I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER HERE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT. LET YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU. ACTION ITEM IS 20-07. WE HAVE ONE SPEAKING. SO THAT'S JUST WHERE YOU'LL NEED TO

[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Minutes of the Throckmorton Statue Ad Hoc Advisory Board Meeting of August 19, 2020]

APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. SO YOU SEE THE LAST ONE? YES PART OF YOU. PART OF THE AGENDA. WE NEVER WENT OUT. THAT WAS AN ATTACHMENT. DO IT. YES, SIR. DID EVERYONE HEAR? GET A COPY OF CHANCE REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING. TO PROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. OKAY. WASHINGTON MADE THEM HAS BEEN A SECOND. OKAY. SECONDS ALL THE FAVOR EXCEPT TO ME TO SAY I GUYS HAVE IT. ITS AGENDA ITEM 20-07 FOR EIGHT. HELLO. GOOD

[Consider/Discuss Presentation on State Antiquities Landmark (SAL) Permit and Process]

AFTERNOON. AMY ROSENTHAL AND THE DIRECTOR FOR MCKINNEY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AT THE HISTORIC CALLING COUNTY COURTHOUSE ON MCKINNEY, MAIN STREET, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SALT PERMIT PROCESS. I NEED TO TURN ON THE ROOM. JUST BEFORE WE GET INTO THE SALT PERMIT JUST TO NOAH'S WELL, THE COURTHOUSE WAS BUILT IN 18 75.

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WHEN IT WAS BUILT. IT WAS THE TALLEST BUILDING NORTH OF SAN ANTONIO. IN THE SECOND EMPIRE STYLE AND THEN IN THE 19 TWENTIES AS HUGE REMODEL, THEY BRICKED OVER THE STONE. THEY ADDED A THIRD FLOOR, THEY DUG OUT A BASEMENT. AND IT WAS A FUNCTIONING COURTHOUSES. JUDGE WHITE REMEMBERS UNTIL 1979. AND THAT IT SAT EMPTY FOR 25 YEARS UNTIL WE OPENED AS THE MCKINNEY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN 2006. SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND. A STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARK, A SOL. SO THAT IS A STATUS THAT'S DESIGNATED BY THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. AND IT RECEIVES LEGAL PROTECTION UNDER THE ANTIQUITIES CODE OF TEXAS. HEY, SAL DESIGNATION INDICATES THAT THE SITE IS IMPORTANT. IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR STATES HISTORICAL LEGACY. THE CODE WAS CREATED TO PROTECT ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES AND HISTORIC BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES ON PUBLIC LAND, SO WE DID HAVE A CLARIFICATION FROM THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. ANYTHING THAT IS ON THAT COURTHOUSE SQUARE REQUIRES ASSAULT PERMIT BEFORE ANY ALTERATION, ALTERCATIONS, AIR MADE OR ANYTHING MIGHT BE REMOVED OR ADDED. HEY. IN ORDER TO HAVE A STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARK STATUS. IT HAD THE BUILDING OR THE STRUCTURE OF THE SITE MUST BE LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES PRIOR TO ITS DESIGNATION. SO LOOKING BACK AGAIN AS WE REMEMBER THE COURTHOUSE CLOSED IN 1979 IS CALLING COUNTY WAS GROWING AND MOVED INTO THE FACILITY ON MCDONALD STREET. BUT IN 1982 THE COURTHOUSE RECEIVED ITS RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. OKAY, SO 1982 THAT HAPPENS. AND THEN IN 1983, THE COURTHOUSE IS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AS THE OLD COLLIN COUNTY COURTHOUSE. AND THEN IN 1998. THE STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARKS WAS ADDED TO THE COURTHOUSE. SO THINKING ABOUT THE SOL DESIGNATION AND THE PERMIT PROCESS. UM IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT BUILDING'S CANNOT BE ALTERED OR DESTROYED. OKAY? UM, THE LAND OWNING AGENCY MUST CONSULT WITH THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION ABOUT PROPOSED ACTIONS THROUGH A PERMIT PROCESS. AND THE T. H C WILL DETERMINE WHAT TYPES OF WORK WOULD BE ALLOWED. UM SO AS AN EXAMPLE OF A RECENT SOL PERMIT, WE DID INSTALL A. A CHANNEL BACK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREE. THIS'S SO WE COULD PLACE THE CHRISTMAS TREE TRUNK IN A SECURED PART, AND THAT WE DID GO THROUGH THE SALT PERMIT PROCESS TO ADD THAT CHRISTMAS TREE UH, BASE ON THE COURTHOUSE. AND SO I'M ASKING WITH THE T. H C. WHEN WE HAVE TALKED TO THE TH SEE ABOUT A POTENTIAL PERMIT REGARDING ANY TYPES OF MONUMENTS ON THE COURTHOUSE ON THE. ON THE LAWN. UM THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW A MONUMENT WOULD BE REMOVED. HOW IT WOULD BE PROTECTED DURING ITS RELOCATION. WHERE IT WOULD BE RELOCATED, TEO AND WHAT HAPPENS AFTER ITS RELOCATED. UM, AND THERE IS T H C APPROVAL REQUIRED BEFORE ANY ACTION. ESO AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, DENTON IN THEIR COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CONFEDERATE MONUMENT ON THERE ON THE ON THE COURTHOUSE LAWN IN DENTON. THEY SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION AND THEIR APPLICATION ASKED THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE TEACH. SI TIO, UM, FOR PERMISSION TO REMOVE THE MONUMENT INTO PLACE INTO STORAGE. DENTON COUNTY IS STILL WORKING WITH THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION ON WHAT THE FINAL SOLUTION WILL BE SO AGAIN. THE T. H C IS IMPORTANT PART OF OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. TIGERS OR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. HAS. CITY MCKINNEY ALREADY REACHED OUT TO INITIATE THIS PROCESS FOR A PERMIT. WE HAVE INQUIRED ABOUT THE PERMIT PROCESS THROUGH THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. THEY DO KNOW THAT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE HAS BEEN APPOINTED. YOU KNOW THAT OUR COUNSEL IS GOING THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY DIALOGUE. WE'RE NOT ALONE. THIS SAME CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING AND

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NINE OTHER COUNTIES RIGHT NOW, UM AND AGAIN, ALL ALL COUNTIES ARE REQUIRED TO WORK WITH THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. ON. WHATEVER THE RESOLUTION, MAYBE. IN THIS THD HAVE THE FINAL SAY SO WHAT COULD BE DONE AND THERE'S NO APPEALS PROCESS AFTER THE CHANGE. CORRECT. THE T H C WILL HAVE THE FINAL SOLUTION OR WITH THE FINAL APPROVAL, AND THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT THE T. H C HAS INDICATED TO US THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR CONSIDERATION.

THEY WOULD MOST LIKELY NOT APPROVE A PERMIT THAT INVOLVED ANY RELOCATION TO A. NON PUBLIC VIEWING AREA. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED, TIO RELOCATE A MONUMENT TIO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD. WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE IN PUBLIC VIEW. THE T. H C WOULD MOST LIKELY DENY OR NOT APPROVE THAT APPLICATION. MARRY MR MOORE. IT'S GOING TO DO. CAN I GO OUT THE TH SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT AT ALL? STAY ANTIQUITIES LAND MORE, YES. HI.

ECONOMY BY SURPRISE. WELL, IT DIDN'T KILL ME BY SURPRISE, BUT IT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.

AS I HEARD ABOUT. OTHER STATUES BEING PLACED AROUND THE COURTHOUSE. WHAT? WHAT WOULD CONSTITUTE WHAT WOULD CONSTITUTE THINGS BEING PLACED. ON THAT TEXAS HISTORICAL SITE.

AND WOOD. IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT DID TAKE PLACE. WHAT WOULD CONSTITUTE THE VALIDITY OFTHE.

CERTAIN STATS ARE BEING PLACED THERE. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, SO I THINK I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT IF THERE WAS A REQUEST TO PLACE IT ANOTHER MONUMENT MORE. OR SEVERAL OTHER ADDITIONS, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE T H C FOR APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN. MY MOST RECENT EXAMPLE IS WHEN WE WANTED, TEO. PUT IN A STRUCTURE FOR CHRISTMAS TREE, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAD TO GET PERMISSION TO PUT IN THE BASE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE FORTUNATE THAT WERE WE ABLE TO MODIFY THE BASE INTO A PEDESTAL FOR A BUTTERFLY SCULPTURE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE NEW WE HAVE SEVERAL BUTTERFLIES IN DOWNTOWN. VERY COOL PROJECT THAT JESSICA HAS WORKED HARD ON. BUT AGAIN IF WE WERE TO PLACE ANOTHER PIECE OF ART PIECE OF PUBLIC ART OR ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER PERMANENT, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. YES, SIR. WOULD IT BE? WOULD BE HYPOTHETICALLY. HYPOTHETICALLY. WHAT IF A PERSON OR A COMMITTEE VOTED TO PUT A STATUE OF ME THERE? WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS A PROCESS OF WHAT WOULD BE JUSTIFICATION OR THE VALIDITY OR CLARIFICATION FOR TH NO PROBLEM. WOW, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO YOU TO HAVE THIS FILM COME UP IN AND HELP YOU WITH THAT. I'M JUST PUTTING MY NAME AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT. YOU KNOW, YOU PICKED UP ON WHAT THE QUESTION IS, WELL, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE THE COUNCIL MEETING. AND LAST NIGHT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THOSE BROADER OFF THE FACT IT HAD BEEN MENTIONED OF POSSIBILITY OFF. OTHER STATUES, MONUMENTS, ALL THOSE THINGS BEING PLACED. AROUND THERE IS WILL. YES IF I HEARD CORRECTLY HER 1000 DINNER LAST NIGHT, I HEARD WRITTEN FIND LAST. UM, WHEN MR DODIE GAVE THE PRESENTATION SORT OF OVERVIEW, OTHER MONUMENTS AND ARTIFACTS NOTED, SOMETIMES THAT IS HOW A COMMUNITY RESPONSES THEY WILL PLACE. ADDITIONAL THINGS FOR ADDITIONAL INTERPRETATION. SO THAT GETS A LITTLE LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT AHEAD BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THOSE OPTIONS THAT RANGE ALL OVER THE BOARD AND ADDING THINGS AROUND THE SQUARE IS AN OPTION. AND BUT THE ONE THING

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THAT'S HARD FOR US TO ANSWER IS HOW THE TH C WOULD VIEW THAT OPTION. IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVEN'T ENGAGED WITH CONVERSATIONS THEM TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL YET. IT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS, SO WE WOULD I MEAN, IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THE COUNSEL WANTS TO GO, THEN WE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE T. H C. WASIT BECAUSE DEFINITELY AT ALL OPTIONS. CITY COUNCIL, YOU SAID YOU HEARD SOMETHING. MORNING. SO, AMY, I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION BASED ON HIS EARLIER QUESTION TO YOU. SO YOU TALK ABOUT THIS CHRISTMAS TREE SHOULD BE WANTED AT A PLAQUE TOO. TO THE EXISTING STATUE, BUT THINGS IN THE CONTACTS THAT WOULD ENTAIL THIS WHOLE PROCESS AS WELL. YES YOU'RE CORRECT. SO THE T H C REGARDS THE MONUMENT AS PROTECTED BY THE SAL DESIGNATION AND IF THERE WAS TO BE AN INTERPRETIVE PLAQUE, YOU KNOW, ADDED TIO. EITHER THE MONUMENT ITSELF OR ADJACENT TO THE MONUMENT, YOU KNOW, THEN. YES, THAT WOULD REQUIRE TH SEA. WE WOULD HAVE TO ENGAGE THE TH E MY UNDERSTANDING IS PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO ENGAGE THE TEACH, SEE UNLESS IT'S THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAPPENS UNLESS. THERE'S NO ACTION TAKEN, BUT EVERY OTHER ACTION WOULD INVOLVE THE TH SEA QUESTION FOR ITEM. WHAT DOES THAT PROVE YOUR LAW TOO? TO MUCH FASHION'S WAY WITHOUT PERMISSION. OH SIR, I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF MR GERSH ER MARK HAS ANOTHER, I BELIEVE ANY TYPE OF ALTERCATION. RELOCATION. ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE MONUMENT WOULD REQUIRE TEACH. SEE I ASKED SEATS EVER COMIN FROM PEOPLE SAYING THAT.

CONCERNED THAT'S HOMEMADE. JUST TIRED. YES BACKWARD PICKUP TRUCK DOWN. CORRECT. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE COUNTY OF LAW HAVE PENALTY OF LAW? I DON'T LIKE TO HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT FOR OKAY.

YEAH, I THINK THERE IS A PENALTY, BUT I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. IT'S MONETARY OR SOMETHING ELSE. SO. WE WILL. WE WILL DEFINITELY RESEARCH THAT FOR YOU FOR THE BOARD AND GET BACK TO YOU. MY APOLOGIES. WE SHOULD HAVE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T ASK. ATTENTION'S WANT TO ZERO DASH

[Consider/Discuss Presentation on Statue Options]

THROUGH SOME FORM. YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK NOW CONSIDER DISCUSS STATUE OPTIONS, SO IT'S KIND OF A GOOD SEGUE WAY AGAIN. MY NAME IS MORE DOUGHTY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR PLANNING FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. SO, AMY, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. KIND OF A GOOD BACKGROUND. THE GOOD SET UP FOR ME. SO AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS STATUE OPTIONS SOMEONE TO GO THROUGH THE LIST OF OPTIONS AND THEN OPEN IT UP, TIO. TALK ABOUT IF WE NEED TO ADD SOME MORE. TAKE SOME WAY OR WHAT? YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THIS. SO THE NUMBER ONE OPTION OR THE FIRST OPTION IS JUST BELIEVE IN PLACE. WE DO NOTHING TO IT. UM. WE DON'T MODIFY IT. WE DON'T ALTER IT IT ALL SECOND, UH. OPTION IS TO ADD INTERPRETIVE MARKET OR CONTEXTUAL. SIGN IT MUCH MUCH LIKE MR CERVANTES SAID. IF WE ADDED ANOTHER PLAQUE OR SOME KIND OF A SIGN IN FRONT OF IT, ANYTHING AROUND IT THAT TELLS YOU. WHO? THROCKMORTON WASS THE TIME PERIOD OF ONE OF THE STATUES PUT IN PLACE WHO PUT IT IN PLACE. KIND OF THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION AGAIN IS AMY RECORD. HAS AMY SAID IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ESSAY L PERMIT.

CHURCHGOERS HAS ALREADY TOUCHED ON IF WE ADDED ADDITIONAL STATUES OF OTHER IMPORTANT FIGURES IN MCKINNEY, THAT WOULD REQUIRE SEO PERMANENCE. WELL I WOULD ASSUME I KNOW YOU SHOULD NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF THERE WAS A PROCEED, YOU KNOW THERE WAS A.

DESIRE TO ADD ADDITIONAL STATUES THAT THAT WOULD GO THROUGH SOME OF SOME SORT OF A PUBLIC VETTING PROCESS IS WELL, COUNSEL WOULD OBVIOUSLY WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT AS WELL. AND THEN. MUCH LIKE DIDN'T DID IF WE WANTED TO JUST REMOVE IT IN PLACE IN STORAGE, WE WOULD THAT NEED TO SUBMIT AN ESSAY? OH, PERMIT. I WILL SAY THIS THAT. WITH DIDN'T COUNTY THE T. H C STIPULATED THAT IT COULD NOT REMAIN IN STORAGE THAT THEY HAD TO PLACE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHIN. THEY GIVE THEM A ONE YEAR TIME FRAME, SO THAT PROBABLY MAY NOT BE AN ACTUAL.

LEGITIMATE OPTION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUST TAKE SET YOU DOWN AND JUST REMAIN OUT OF SIGHT AGAIN. THAT S A L DOES HAVE THAT PROTECTION AND PRIDE THAT STIPULATION WITH IT.

BUT WE COULD REMOVE IT AND REINSTALL AT ANOTHER LOCATION AGAIN. ASSAIL PERMIT. SO IS

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THERE SOMEWHERE ELSE AROUND THE CITY? IT COULD BE PLACED. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING IT PECAN GROVE CEMETERY. THAT MAY NOT BE AN OPTION AGAIN. THIS KIND OF GOES INTO IS IT A PUBLIC VIEWING LOCATION, OR IS IT SOMETHING PRIVATE? WHICH THEN GOES INTO THE VERY LAST OPTION. IF WE JUST REMOVE IT AND THEN DONATED AND OR SELL IT AGAIN. THIS WAS REQUIRED TO SAIL PERMIT ARE THE ANY INTERESTED FAMILY MEMBERS? I'M COLLIN COUNTY HISTORY MUSEUM.

AGAIN THESE AIR JUST OPTIONS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANY OF THESE GROUPS HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THE STATUE ITSELF. BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT STAFF WAS TRYING TO PROVIDE. JUST TO KIND OF SPARK THE CONVERSATION. THERE IS A TEXAS CIVIL WAR MUSEUM IN WHITE SETTLEMENT.

COULD THAT BE AN OPTION FOR THE STATUE AS WELL? AGAIN? T. H C WOULD PRY NEED TO SIGN OFF ON THAT. INTERESTING FAMILY MEMBERS AGAIN MAY BE COMPLICATED AGAIN. IF IT'S NOT IN A PUBLIC LOCATION THAT CAN BE VIEWED EASILY. SO THAT IS REALLY. PRETTY QUICK ABOUT THE OPTIONS SO I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. DISCUSSIONS. WHAT DID I MISS? WHAT DO I NEED TO ADD? TAKE OFF THE LIST. OPEN IT UP. I LIKED YOU BEFORE WE GO TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS SUCH AS.

LIKE THAT EVERY BOARD MEMBER, TOO. TAKE A MOMENT TO SPEAK FIRST, UM, ON YOUR OPINION ABOUT VARIOUS OPTIONS, SO MR MARK CAN ACTUALLY COME ASSESS OUT TO THE OLD. UP TO JUST YOUR OWN QUESTIONS. WE'RE STARVING A JOB AWAY. AROUND THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. I THINK IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RELOCATED. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. TH TEAMMATE HOUSE AND SAYING THAT, BUT I THINK A GOOD PLACE FOR THAT. AND I'M NOT SURE QUESTION MR DODIE WAS. KIND OF PECAN GROVE BEING AN OPTION. AND WHAT THE FEARED SHE WOULD CONSIDER THAT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING WE HAVE A TH THE. DESIGNATION AT PECAN GROVE, ABOUT FROM. SO IT SEEMED LIKE A FITTING PLACE TO RELOCATE. LARRY. WELL, THANKS. THANKS TO BE RELOCATED TO BUT. HOME. CONGO. WORMS. THE STATUE WAS PLACED OUT THERE. WITH ALL THE RACIAL ON RISK WE'RE SEEING THROUGHOUT THE NATION. GROUP ONE VISITOR LOOKED LIKE ME. BLU ON IT. WHAT HE FACED WHAT YOU FACE. HEY, STONE. VANDALIZED OVER HIS OWN. WE KNOW IN THIS QUIET RIGHT NOW. WHICH IS. MATERIAL LIKE. BUT IF YOU WANT TAKE IT BUT. IF SOMEONE PASSED BY THEIR INSULT. HELP. HEADSTONES. ONLY THAT STATUE.

THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO THE MIND OF PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK LOGICALLY. WOULD BE THAT.

PROTEST GROUP. MAKING A STATEMENT. AND THAT WILL CREATE CHAOS. THE SIMPLE FACT. CAN YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE CHAOS. THERE'S BEEN A RIDE IN MCKINNEY BEFORE. BACK IN THE CITY. YOU MIGHT BE, SON. THEY DON'T KNOW THAT WORD. AND I THINK THAT. COULDN'T IT IN A SECURE PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO FLEE AND ESPECIALLY FOR I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A. AH AH HISTORY EXHIBIT. YEAH. EDUCATIONAL. EDUCATION OF USED TO SEE. WITHIN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR WANTS. HIS COVERT IS OVER WITH. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE FOR IT TO BE FOR KIDS IT TAKES TAKES THIS HISTORY PORT. MCKINNEY HISTORY TO REALLY BE A PART OF TEXAS HISTORY. THIS IS MORE CAN DO IT. I'M GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND THEN WE GO UP THERE. NOT ONLY IN REGARD TO RUNNING WOULD BE PLEASE. MAY EXHIBIT JUST WORDS. PEOPLE THAT

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CAN ENTER MCKINNEY DO MCKINNEY AND WHAT THEY DID FOR TEXAS HISTORY IN THE PAST. WHAT.

COLIN WOULD KILL ME. NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF HISTORICAL PRESENTS. CLOSE YOUR MIND TO SYRIA TO HIM. THEN THE COUNTY HAS BEEN NAMED AFTER HIM. THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT COLIN MCKENZIE. AFTER THAT LITTLE LOCK HOUSES AT THEN, AND BEEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SO AND I THINK BOTH OF THOSE THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW WHAT WITH THE LONG HOUSE BEING BURNED DOWN. WHAT WOULD THEY DO THIS SKETCH? THE MET. I GREW UP WITH LARRY THAT THAT THIS THAT YOU SHOULD BE PLACED SOMEPLACE WHERE WERE HIS EDUCATIONAL TOOL? WHERE IT CAN BE DISCUSSED AND. I LEARNED ABOUT AND I WOULD PROPOSE THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SQUARE COURTHOUSE WHERE IT'S BEEN FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE. IF THAT WAS AN ACTIVE. CITY BUILDING, UM OR. ACTIVE COUNTY COURTHOUSE OF MORE UNDERSTAND, MOVE IT, BUT IS IT IT IS A MUSEUM. IT IS. IT IS HIS HORRIBLE PLACE. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. IT'S PEACEFUL OR SOME CONTEXTUAL SCIENCE. EXPLANATION LEAST HAPPENED. AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF ANOTHER STATUES, KEEPING ONE ASK YOU. HIM. I DECIDED THAT I HAVE LOST A FROG IN MY THROAT. COME BACK. YOU MEAN WITHOUT WORDS. WELL. WE THINK IT SHOULD BE REMOVED IN PLACE. IN ANOTHER LOCATION. AFTER HEARING YOU KNOW, LAST TIME WE MET THE WAY PEOPLE FELT ABOUT IT. AND JUST EVEN HERE. I MET MATT MARK MARK MATT REGARDING EDUCATIONAL, UM. I WOULD THINK THAT TEXAS WAR MUSEUM WOULD BE A GOOD GOOD REPORT TO GO. I MEAN, IT'S A CIVIL WAR. SO I WOULD PROBABLY MOVING IT AND PLACING IT IN ANOTHER SPOT FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. OUTSIDE SPOT EVEN KNOW THE COURTHOUSE IS NOT A FUNCTIONAL HOUSE, AS WE SAY. IT IS. THE IMPACT SCENARIO IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE DO. GO IN AND OUT, SO NOT TO MENTION IT'S IN THE SQUARE, MR JAGGERS MENTIONED LAST TIME. RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SQUARE. SO PETTY. THIS IS A HARD ONE, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN I STARTED THIS PROCESS. DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BIG DEAL WASS. AND BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. AND NOW THAT I KNOW MORE ABOUT IT. I HAVE CHANGED HOW I LOOK AT IT. AND I UNDERSTAND I'VE HAD. I'VE READ ALL KIND AND I'M NOT A BIG HISTORY PERSON THAT I KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN I'VE EVER KNOWN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A CONFEDERATE STATUE. BUT TO SAY IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IT. IT REMINDS PEOPLE OF A SAD A HEART FULL TIME. AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR TOWN SQUARE. AND SO CONSIDERING THAT I WANT TO PROTECT IT. I WANT TO PUT IT SOMEPLACE WHERE IT CAN BE DISPLAYED IN A HISTORICAL CONTEXT. AND SO I WOULD. I WOULD WANT TO MOVE IT TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT ISTHE AND BUT I FEEL LIKE I WANT IT. I WANT TO KEEP IT AND I WANT PROTECTIVE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT SOME PLACE WORK. INCENSE OR HISTORICAL CONTEXT, MR MOORE. SO MY THOUGHT ON THE STATUE IS THAT IT REMAIN EXACTLY WORDS OUT. THAT WE HAD A PLAQUE TO IT TO PUT THINGS INTO CONTEXT FOR THOSE WHO MENTIONED THAT YOU'LL HURT. YOU KNOW WHEN THEY WALKED BY THE STATUE? I LIKE WHAT LARRY SAID ABOUT COLIN MCKINNEY. IT IS A MUSEUM AS MAN REFERENCED. AT ADDITIONAL STATUES TO THAT, LOCATION, BUT I'M NOT OF THE OPINION OFF. TAKING IT DOWN. I LOOK AT IT. I ACTUALLY WENT AND VISITED. READ ALL OF THE INFORMATION. IT'S ON IT. IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT IT

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BEING A CONFEDERATE STATUTE. IT TALKS ABOUT HIM BEING A MCKINNEY INDIVIDUAL WHO DID WELL AND SERVED. COUNTRY SERVED THE STATE. THEREFORE, I BELIEVE THAT. PUTTING THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE INTO CONTEXT, EVEN THE HURTFUL STUFF NEEDS TO BE THERE, BUT HE SHOULD STAY RIGHT WORDS OUT. AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH DOUBLE WAR. THAT WAR WAS FOR THE COUNTRY. AFTER THEY TAKE A LOT OF LINES OUT OF 3300. ONE GOOD THING. MY MIND. I WOULD COME HERE. ALSO. YOU JUST THAT WAS MORE TO IT. IN MY OPINION IS A STATUE STATUE SHOULD STAY ALSO, FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT DODGERS HELP ON IS A HISTORICAL. MONUMENT ON ALLOWS US TO REMEMBER OUR HISTORY, SO THERE WAS A LINE FROM WE CONTINUE TO HIRE HISTORY IN RACES AND THEN YOU OPEN THE DOOR FOR THOSE WE. VISION IS TO RETELL THE STORY IN A WAY THAT, UH, THEN THEY HAVE THE ADEQUATE UNTRUE, SO WITH THE FAILURES OF OUR COUNTRY, WE ALSO CELEBRATED SUCCESSFUL COUNTRY WOULD ONLY DO THAT UNDERSTAND WHERE WE STARTED WHERE WE ARE NOW.

JUDGE. WELL. LIKE. LEARNED A WHOLE LOT LAST COUPLE THREE WEEKS. I AM I DO CONSIDER MYSELF AN AMATEUR HISTORIAN, BUT I WILL. PASS THAT I HAD VERY LITTLE. OF GENES WITH BROCK MARX. NO, THAT I'M AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT YET, BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE MADE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE. YOU KNOW, I LOOKED BACK. IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 20TH CENTURY. SAM RAYBURN WASS.

MOST. PROMINENT INFLUENTIAL CITIZEN IN FANNIN COUNTY EVER HAD. I THINK IF WE LOOK BACK ON THE SECOND HALF OF THE 19TH CENTURY. JAMES STRUCK, MARTIN WAS PROBABLY THE EQUIVALENT OF SAM RAYBURN. COLIN. SO WHEN IT COMES TO JUST HERE. PROMINENCE. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYBODY AND 175 YEAR HISTORY OF OUR COUNTY. IT MEASURES UP TO JAMES BROUGHT MARK. NOW. WE CONCENTRATE ON THE CIVIL WAR. BUT HIS PROMINENCE. MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS THE FACT THAT HE WAS GOVERNOR. OF THE STATE. AND THAT ALONE. RAISE HIM FROM MOST FOLKS. DORIS COLLINS, ITALIANS AND OTHER. OTHER CITIZENS OF THE STATE OF CONCERN. I WOULD. CERTAINLY I THINK SHOULD REMAIN WHERE IT REFLECT REFLECT THE OPINION. ABOUT THE. MEDICINES. MOST OF THE CITIZENS PROBABLY MCKENNEY. PERHAPS A COLLEGE COUNTIES. AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS. MEDITATED BUILT AND SO FORTH. I CERTAINLY THINK THERE ARE OTHERS LIKE COLIN MCKENZIE, WHO. PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE FOR RECOGNITION THAT IN THAT WAY. YEAH YOU KNOW IF YOU READ ABOUT. WHAT? ALL RIGHT. MARK WAS INVOLVED IN THAT TIME. IS ACTIVITIES. CROSS THE BOARD ARE LEGION. SO I THINK WITH THE DISSERVICE. NUMBER ONE BE A SERVICE TO THE MEMORY OF JENKS. RIGHT, MARTIN SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE. PUT IT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. MOVE IT, SO I THINK IT IS. THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE WHERE IT IS. AND IF WE WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL THINGS TO IT. AROUND IT. OTHER PROMISES.

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SORRY. I'M IN FAVOR OF PROTECTING THE MONUMENT. ALSO IN FAVOR OF ADDITIONAL.

MONUMENTS TO PUT CONTEXT TO IT. A ZOO MEMBER OF THE COLLIN COUNTY HISTORIC COMMISSION, WE HAVE AN ANNUAL BUDGET. THAT IS DESIGNED PLACE THOSE PLAQUES. SO WE COULD CERTAINLY I KNOW I HAVE THE SUPPORT OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THAT BOARD, TOO. TO FACILITATE. NOT ONLY PUTTING THE CONTEXT TO MR DRUG WARDENS LIFE AND. BALANCED HISTORY IN COUNTY. ALSO, YOUR HONOR. UH, MAYBE THROUGH OTHER PLAQUES. SOME OF THE. OR GOTTEN HEROES ARE NOTABLE INDIVIDUALS FROM OUR COUNTY. THE MAN WHO BUILT THE FIRST FREEDMAN SCHOOL IN 18, 66. CHARLIE HOVERED. NOBODY KNOWS HIS NAME. THERE'S VERY LITTLE INFORMATION OUT THERE, BUT, UH WE KNOW ABOUT HIM. JAKE CHAMBERLAIN. WHO HELPED BUILD THAT SCHOOL WITH CHARLIE HOVERED, WHO HAS A MONUMENTAL.

TOMBSTONE OVER ROSS CEMETERY LIVED TO BE 107 YEARS OLD. UM. THESE ARE MEN THAT HAD VERY LIMITED RESOURCE IS. THAT THEY WERE DOING THE BEST THAT THEY COULD ELEVATE THAT COMMUNITY IN COUNTY. UH AND, UH, FREEMAN SCHOOL THAT CHANGED TO A GREAT SCHOOL CHANGED THE DHOBI HIGH SCHOOL. EDWARD CODY, UH, WAS A PRINCIPAL OF THAT SCHOOL PRIOR TO WORLD WAR TWO. HE GOT THAT SCHOOL ACCREDITED SO THAT EVERY GRADUATE WAS AUTOMATICALLY ADMITTED TO ANY BLACK UNIVERSITIES WITHOUT TAKING ENTRANCE EXAMS. THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT. AND UH, THERE'S LETTER EVANS, WHO. I HAD TO SAY I NEVER GOT TO SHAKE HIS HAND WHO LIVED IN OUR LIFETIMES PASSED AWAY A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE DID MONUMENTAL THINGS FACED MONUMENTAL ADVERSITIES. AND IS AN EXAMPLE FOR ALL PEOPLE. AND YOU KNOW GRIPING PLAQUES. OR STATUES TO THE THESE INDIVIDUALS, I THINK IS. TELLS THE WHOLE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S MY TAKE.

OKAY. THIS LOCATION. SO I HAVE A DIFFERENT TAPE. WHAT ON ARTS COMMISSION. WE WE SPENT LOTS OF MONEY ON MONUMENTS OF KEITH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO. I MEAN, IT FALLS IN MY BRAIN FOR HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST YOU THESE? TOWARDS YOU. I WAS GOING. YOU DO PAY FOR WEATHER STAYS.

WE'RE ALL CITIZENS OF THIS PAINTING. SO I. FAVOR. ACTUALLY. EXPLAIN. I THINK THAT IT'S. MY FIRST THOUGHT WHEN ALL THIS BEGAN WAS TO HAVE IT MOVED. ALLEN COUNTY HISTORY. I DON'T THINK THAT PUTTING IN. NECESSARY FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS BEING STAYING IN THE CITY.

WHERE WE CAN SEE IT AND HOWEVER. I'LL BE HONEST, I'VE BEEN TO THE SQUARE. I WALK AROUND THE SQUARE. WE HAVE A CLIENT IN THE SQUARE. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT STATUE. IT'S NEVER CAUGHT MY EYE. IT HASN'T HASN'T AFFECTED MY. IN THE NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE, SO THAT'S JUST COMING FROM. SOMEONE HAD MADE A COMMENT THAT IT KEEPS PEOPLE FROM COMING DOWN HERE.

THE WEIGHT OF THE STATUE CAME TO LIGHT AND MANNER THAT IT DID THINK HE CAME UP IN A VERY TUMULTUOUS TIME. OBVIOUSLY, THAT WE'RE ALL GOING THROUGH. THE SAME STORM IN DIFFERENT BOATS. AND ALTHOUGH I DO NOT. I AGREE WITH THE ERA AND. THIS MAN WHO NONE OF US KNOWS PERSONAL DECISIONS AT THAT TIME. IT IS PART OF HISTORY OF THIS CITY, AND I THINK HE DID MAKE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON WHAT MCKINNEY IS TODAY. I LIVE HERE. YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR

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HISTORY IS PRETTY. IT'S MUDDY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT. NOBODY REALLY LIKES TO TALK ABOUT WHICH WERE FORCED TO TALK ABOUT WHICH IS WHITE. SO. I THINK IN THE ASPECT OF ARTS AND OF.

MONETARY THINGS THAT A PLAQUE SHOULD BE ADDED. AND I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OTHER STATUES TO IT. AND KEEP IT WHERE IT IS. WOW, THAT HISTORY AND ART, IT IS ARE TWO CONTINUED TO REMAIN IN OUR CITY. THINK SMART BEFORE I REGAIN MY BOARDS. MR MAGNUM.

YOU KEEP IT. WANTING TO MAKE A POINT. THAT WHEN I WAS BUILDING MY RESTAURANT NEEDS MCKINNEY. I THOUGHT I WOULD PUT A THREE PLACES ON WALL COMMISSION FREE OUR BUSINESS TO BE DRAWN TO BE THE FOUNDERS. I FOUND HIM AGAIN. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, SPOKE TO HIS GEIGER'S YOU NEED TO GO TALK TO DEBRA KILGOUR AT AT THE COLLEGE MUSEUM, SHE SAID, PASSED AWAY AND I TRULY REGRET THAT SHE'S NOT HERE. TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. WE LOST THE WOMAN INSTRUCTION. SOMEONE SET DOWN FOR SOMETHING CALLED THE KEY. I'VE GOT IN MY MIND. SHE WAS THROUGHT MARTINS AND HOPE, RIGHT. BROUGHT BROUGHT MARTIN'S NUMBERING CHILLS. MCKINNEY WOULDN'T BE WHAT IT IS. THEY'VE GOT ONE. SO SHE EXTENSIVELY CAN BE ON ON WHERE WERE OUT WITH. AS A CITY, A COUNTY NOW COLIN MCKINNEY IS THE NAMESAKE OF OUR CITY AND OUR COUNTY. HE WANTED NEITHER OF THOSE IS THEIR ONLY DRAWING OF HIM. HE DID NOT AUTHORIZE. SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A GREAT SERVICE COMMUNITY. A GREAT PICTURE OF COLIN. BUT THROCKMORTON WAS THIS THIS HUGE, LARGE LIFE OR.

ON THE STATUE IS OF HIM. A ROUSING SPEECH. HE WAS HE WAS A STATESMAN. IN THE LAST HALF OF THAT CENTURY TO BRING THE RAILROAD MCKINNEY BRING ECONOMIC PROSPERITY TO QIN. SO I WAS RIGHT THAT THAT THERE WAS A STATUE IN THERE. NOW. ARE THERE THINGS THAT WERE IN THAT AIR? OF COURSE, THEIR WORK. AND WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE. AND NOT ENOUGH. FORGET WHERE WE COME.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHO HAD THE FORTITUDE. AT THE TIME WHEN WE REMODELED THE COURTHOUSE. WHEN THEY CHIPPED THE PLASTER OFF DOWNSTAIRS. DISCOVERED WHAT FAMILY AND COLORED ONLY LETTERING WAS STILL WARM. THEY SAID, THIS IS A THIS IS A SOMETHING NOT BE PAID IT OVER RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GONNA PUT A PLASTIC SHIELD OVER IT. IS THAT WE CAN WE CAN EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN. WHERE WERE WE? AND FOR ME, IS MY FATHER'S GENERATION. SOME OF MY ONE GENERATION FOR ME TWO GENERATIONS. FOR MOST, WE'VE COME A VERY LONG WAY AS A COUNTRY. AND THAT AND RIGHT NOW IT'S HURTFUL. FOR FEW GENERATIONS. I LIVED IN A WALK.

IF WE DON'T TAKE THE TIME. MONUMENT. TO WHERE WE CAME FROM. WHO'S GOING TO REMIND MY GRAND KIDS THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK THERE WHILE WE NEED TO STAY. I AM AND WHY I YOU CAN'T JUST PAINT OVER IT. SO I KNOW IT IS A HEART FULL TIME, BUT I WOULD I WOULD SAY THIS THAT IF WE WERE A JURY, AND THIS WAS A TRIAL. AND WE'RE GOING TO CONVICT A PERSON OF SOME THING TO DECIDE. THIS IS A YES OR NO. JUDGE WHAT WOULD WALK A JURY THROUGH WHAT IS REQUIRED TO MAKE A CONVICTION. THIS IS A BOR. NO, GO. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT. WHAT? I WOULD LIKE US IS WHAT IS THE CRITERIA? THIS IS A GO. NOBLE AUTUMN, NOT OUR PERSONAL OPINIONS, NOT OUR FEELINGS, NOT NOT. WHAT ARE NEIGHBOURS SAY, WHAT IS IT? AND I MEAN MAYBE IT TOGETHER. MAYBE MAYBE I'M WRONG IN THESE TWO YEARS AGO, BUT WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA? WHAT? WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA? WAS HE A GOOD MAN? BAD MAN WAS THE STATUE LIKE A MONUMENT, NOT CONFEDERATE MONUMENT. WHAT? WHAT IS THAT CRITERIA. IT IS A THAT IS THE LINE THAT IS. THE SCALES OF JUSTICE AND THE STATUE HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF BEING GUILTY OF. IT NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED. SO I

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REALLY THINK THAT THAT IS. THE QUESTION THAT SHOULD BE ANSWERED. WHAT? WHAT IS THAT? I THINK BASED ON EVIDENCE WE'VE SEEN SO FAR. IF THE DAUGHTERS OF THE CONFEDERACY. SELECTED HIM LIKE A CIVIL WAR HERO. THEY DID A HORRIBLE JOB. HE WASN'T USING A HORRIBLE CONFEDERATE VOTED YES, JOINED CONFEDERACY WAS ONLY A DOCTOR. HE WAS A WAR LEADER. BUT WHAT IS THAT CRITERIA AND MAYBE IF YOU CONFEDERACY AND THAT THAT'S A PASS. SO I THINK AS A GROUP, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT. CRITERIA. LAID OUT. WHAT? WHAT IS THE GO? NO. GO JUST SO MR. MOHR UNDERSTANDS YOUR POSITION. WHAT IS YOUR OPTION, WHICH WHAT WAS TOOK TO LEAVING EMPLOYEES? OKAY, CONTEXTUALIZE IT. FOR INFORMATION AND ADD OTHER STATUES. ANOTHER FLOOR IS OPEN FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE STATE. MR LARRY THAN OKAY, I WON'T COME BACK AND GET THE CASE BECAUSE TAKEN CONTEXT. I DIDN'T MEAN. FOR COLIN TO BE PUT. TO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MR HUBERT AND MR. WAIT. TALK ABOUT WE TALK ABOUT LITERAL PEOPLE NOW. WHAT'S UP WITH THIS PLETHORA OF PEOPLE? YOU TELL HIM ABOUT THIS POSSIBLY BE PLACED AT THE COURTHOUSE AND LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT MONUMENTS IN THINGS. EVERY BEING IN THE PLACE, BUT HE DIDN'T WANT TO WALK AROUND THE COURTHOUSE. LITTLE BIT. 45689 10 PEOPLE OR ALL THE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND COURTHOUSE. BUT ALL THESE MONEY, MISTER I'M GOING TO PAY ALL THESE DOLLARS. LOVE THESE.

OR POSSIBLY A LOVER TO BE DEFECTS. IS THERE A QUESTION, MR MORGAN? NOTHING WHAT I WANT TO CLARIFY. HOW IS. FOR HAD TO BE POLICE SOMEWHERE. COLIN BE PLACED SOMEWHERE. HISTORY THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PERSON THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I BUILT A SCHOOL GONNA FREAK MOST TIME. MR SOLL. DAMN PLACE. HISTORY OF THEM BEING PLACED ON WORLD OFF AND MECHANIC HIGHSCHOOL. IN A GLASS CASE. BECAUSE. AND I MENTIONED I'M JUST. GET DOWN, GOING NOW, FOR THE SIMPLE FACT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT. THE RESTROOMS. I'M THE ONE WHO MADE MR GERSH.

WORK. COLORS COLORS BECAUSE ITWAS WHITEWASHED YOU KNOW WHAT. TRUE CAN'T BE WHITEWASHED. DOG HAS COME THROUGH. WHITEWASH. AND YOU MADE ME THINK OF ANOTHER THING. I'M SORRY. IS THERE A QUESTION FOR MR MORGAN? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A QUESTION. I'M JUST I'M JUST GIVING MY PERIOD. FOR BEFORE BEFORE MR KENNEDY MARK DESERVED ANYWAY THAN USUAL. OPTION BECAUSE OFTHIS TURNBULL STORE TOO. ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE INCLUDED A BROUGHT TROUBLE COMMITTEE NEXT TIME, OKAY WE CAN DO IS WE CAN TRY TO GIVE MAYBE SOME ESTIMATED COSTS AND THEN ALSO SOME FUNDING SOURCES. ALSO THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE. BASICALLY, YOU YOU HAVE DONE SIMILAR ACTIONS. OKAY, QUESTIONS. I DO NOT HAVE A QUESTION. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WANT COMET. WHEN YOU ASKED US TO GO THROUGH AND GET WHERE WE STOOD BELIEVE WE GOT THROUGH THIS PART. I WAS PRETTY BRIEF, AND I JUST SAID WHAT I FELT AND I DID FEEL RUSHED JUST TO BE CLEAR. AND AS WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH, I NOTICED YOU ALLOW. OTHER PEOPLE TO SPEAK WAY LONGER THAN YOU GAVE THIS SIDE OVER HERE. EVERYONE TO SPEAK. I WASN'T DONE. YOU ACTUALLY KIND OF RUSHED ME. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU DIDN'T YOU SAY JUST TOLD ME IT WAS FINISHED? WHAT DO. SAY? HE STOOD UP. NOT THERE WAS A POINT. JUST IDENTIFY WE STAND AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IS OTHER PEOPLE MAKE MORE COMMENTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO. BASED OFF THAT JUDGE WHITE MENTIONED THAT HE WAS THE GOVERNOR OF TEXAS. LET'S KNOW WAS A GOVERNMENT FOR ONE YEAR AND HE WAS REMOVED FROM BEING GOVERNOR, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW. EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT A BLACK ACTUALLY HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT CONTEXT CAN YOU PUT ON A PLAN? THAT

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MAKES IT OKAY? ME. I'M SERIOUSLY SERIOUS QUESTIONS. LIKE WHAT? CONTACT RIGHT INSCRIBED PLAQUE THAT MAKES ME SEE THAT'S CATS THAT YOU SEE IT DIFFERENTLY. WHAT WOULD MAKE THEM SEE DIFFERENTLY? AND THEN THE LAST THING IS. WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM? ACTUALLY, THAT WE CAN'T LEARN SOMEWHERE ELSE. WHY ARE WE THINKING THAT THIS IS JUST THIS IS THE PLACE TO LEARN LIKE PEOPLE BRING THEIR KIDS TO DOWNTOWN BIKINI AROUND THE STATUES THEY GATHER ON. LET'S TALK ABOUT HISTORY, SO WE DON'T DO THIS AGAIN. LIKE YOU GUYS ARE KIDDING. THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS CRAZY THAT YOU GUYS THINK THAT THESE ARE ACTUAL REAL SOLUTIONS. OKAY? MORE. SO LET ME RESPOND TO WITH REGARDS TO ADD ON A PLAQUE AND PUTTING THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE OF PUTTING CONCEPT TO CUT YOU OFF WITH QUESTION, MR MORGAN. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A BACK AND FORTH DELICIOUS. GO AHEAD AND SKIP ALL THIS CASH. JUST DISCUSSION BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO HIS COMMENT. I UNDERSTAND. MARTIN.

YOU OKAY? ONCE YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SORRY. IS THERE ANY RECOMMENDATION FROM ANYBODY ABOUT WHAT? WHAT DIRECTION THE CITY IS GOING INTO. MR CURE, I COULD CHIME IN ON THAT IF IT'S OKAY. I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS. ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS ARE TOTALLY VALID AS YOU KNOW. THE SPORT IS NOT PROVIDING RECOMMENDATION. WE'RE COMPILING THE INFORMATION GETTING THAT TO COUNSEL COUNSEL THEN DIGEST THAT INFORMATION AND THEY WILL DELIBERATE AND MAKE A CONVERSATION. SO THE QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING ARE VERY, VERY GOOD. WHAT OTHER CRITERIA? WHAT ARE WE DOING? ULTIMATELY, IT'S THE COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DIGEST ALL THAT INFORMATION. NOW, THE QUESTION FOR MR MOORE. RIGHT? FOUR MORE NEXT ITEM, SO JUST INTERFERENCES THERE ANYONE ELSE HAS A POINT THAT YOU WANT? YOUR STATEMENT OR QUESTION ALIGHTS AVOID QUESTIONING EACH OTHER. BUT YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT. BUT I UNDERSTAND. I BELIEVE, MR. MARK YOU UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. I JUST WANTTO AT HIS COMMENTS ABOUT HAVING A PLAQUE. I DON'T KNOW PERSONALLY. WHAT IS OFFENSIVE ABOUT STATUES? SO WHATEVER IT IS, THAT IS OFFENSIVE ABOUT THE STATUE FOR THE CITIZENS OFF THE COMMUNITY. I WANTED EXPLAIN, EXPOUNDED ON ON PLAN. IT DOESN'T OFFEND ME. HER POINT FROM EARLIER I LIVE HERE. I HAVE YEARS A WALK AROUND ROME DOWN WHERE? JUST ABOUT EVERY WEEKEND. I DON'T NOTICE THE STENCH. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS ON MY MIND EVERY TIME I'M WALKING YOU TO SQUARE THAT, STEVEN, IS THAT YOU THAT IT WAS EVEN THERE, AS A MATTER OF FACT TO BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT. I ATTEND SUNDAY WORSHIP. AT THE COURTHOUSE WHERE AT PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. I HAD NEVER NOTICED THE STATUE. SO THIS PLAQUE THAT I IN SUGGESTING OR RECOMMENDING WERE THINKING ABOUT IS.

EXPLAINING WHATEVER IT IS THAT IT'S OFFENSIVE TO OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. PUT IT INTO CONTACT.

THAT'S WHAT I APPRECIATE. EXPLAIN THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS. JUST PUT IT IN ON PLATT DOES IT REMOVED THE OFFENSIVENESS OF WHAT IS THE OFFENSIVENESS? I DON'T GET YOU LIKE ME TO ELABORATE IF IT'S A THIS GUY'S YEAH, THIS GUY OWNED A SLAVE. IT'S OFFENSIVE THAT WE CAN HAVE A STATUE OF A MAN WHO OWNED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. I THINK WE GOT INTO THIS LAST WILL BE HAPPY TO GO BACK OVER AGAIN. THAT'S OFFENSIVE AND YOU'RE NOT OFFENSIVE. I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR YOU. THAT'S I WOULD THINK THAT WE AGREE THAT WE'RE ALL EQUAL PEOPLE OWNING ANOTHER PERSON SHOULD NOT BE. IT SHOULD BE OFFENSIVE. IT IS OFFENSIVE. THAT WAS 100 YEARS AGO. IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME. WAS A DIFFERENT ERA. I DISTRACTINGLY RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE BECAUSE THERE WERE ABOLITION. THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE WHITE STOOD AGAINST SLAVERY, SO JUST BECAUSE IT WAS OKAY FOR SOME, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DID NOT ROD WITH SLAVERY DURING THAT TIME. YOU WERE OF THE WHITE PERSUASION, SO I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT'S THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT SUITABLE ARGUMENT THAT IT WAS JUST THAT WAS THE TIME IT WAS THERE A PART OF HISTORY. OH, GOOD HISTORY, SHE SAID EARLIER. SO WHAT THE STATUTE TEACH US.

WHAT HISTORY DOES THAT STATUE TEACHERS IF THE STATUE. ASK HER FIELD CAUSES HURT FEELINGS. OR A PORTION OF THIS POPULATION. WE NEED TO EXPLAIN THAT. YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE YOU JUST DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WAS OFFENSIVE ABOUT. SO IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE TO ME BECAUSE IT'S HISTORY. IT'S NOT A GOOD HISTORY. SHE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT. OUR HISTORY HAS NOT BEEN NOMINEES. IT'S A IT'S A REALLY BAD HISTORY, WHETHER IT'S WHETHER IT'S AMERICAN HISTORY.

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PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN NICE TO EACH OTHER. OVER THE YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN CRUEL AND HE WAS NOT NICE. BUT LET'S PUT THAT YOU LET'S LET THAT THAT YOU STAY IN A COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE OF ALL COLORS LAND. SO, YES, IT'S HISTORY. BUT YOU CONTINUE TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT IS DIVISIVE AND OFFENSIVE, OTHERS CONTINUED. ALLOW YOU YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT IS IF YOU THINK. SOMETHING IS OFFENSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

WE WANT CALL OURSELVES ONE COMMIT ONE KID. HE WANTS TO MEET WHATEVER. THEN YOU GOTTA TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THAT'S ALL SAYING IS THAT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW YOU FROM ADAM'S I DON'T I'M NOT TRYING PERSONALLY, I'M NOT. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT AS COMMUNITY IF WE AGREE THAT IT'S SOMEBODY YOU KNOW HAD A MEAN YOU KNOW. HAD HAD ONLY A HUMAN BEING. AND YOU KNOW IT WAS REMOVED FROM OFFICE DIDN'T FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF BLACK CITIZENS DURING THAT TIME, SO I GET IT. I'M LIKE FIRST, BABY. I LIKE THAT GUY BECAUSE HE FOUGHT FOR MY RIGHTS BUT FINE FOR EVERYONE. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE ON THE PLANET IS HE OWNED A SLAVE.

YOU DIDN'T NECESSARILY TAKE UP FOR THE AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE OFF THE COMMUNITY OFF THE STATE. THAT'S WHAT THE PLAQUE IS ABOUT, SO THAT MAKES IT BETTER BECAUSE OF PLAQUE. IS THERE? NO, IT'S HISTORY. IT'S ALREADY THERE. YOU CAN'T ERASE IT BY TAKING IT DOWN, SO LET ME JUST COUNTER THAT WAS TRYING TO ERASE IT. WE'RE REMOVING IT, SO IT'S THERE WOULDN'T WANT SOME THAT COME UP TODAY. IN THAT TYPE OF A SCENARIO, BUT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. BECAUSE WE ALL KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS. RACIAL HOSTILITY THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN OUR COUNTRY. IT'S AWFUL. ONE OF THINGS THAT THAT I WAS CROSSED MY MIND THOUGHT ABOUT.

IS 50 YEARS FROM NOW, 100 YEARS FROM NOW, I PROBABLY WON'T BE HERE. BUT JUST HYPOTHETICALLY IF I WAS HERE. AND THERE'S SOMEONE THAT GOES LOOKING FOR SOMETHING ON ROSA PARKS.

THERE'S A STATUE OF HER OUT THERE. THERE IS SOMEONE THAT GOES LOOKING FOR SOMETHING ON MARTIN LUTHER KING. AND THEY FIND SOMETHING WHICH WILL BE DOUBTFUL. BUT LET'S JUST SAY THEY FIND SOMETHING. WE'RE GONNA BE UP IN ARMS. LET'S TAKE IT DOWN. 50 YEARS FROM THE SENTIMENT HAS CHANGED. NO, WE'RE NOT TAKING IT NOW. ROSA PARKS HAS REPLACED IN HISTORY.

SO DOES MARTIN LUTHER KING. I WOULD IF I WORKED. HERE 50 YEARS FROM NOW, 100 YEARS FROM NOW, AND THAT WAS HAPPENING. HOW WOULD YOU BE SAYING THAT VERY SAME THING I'M SAYING TODAY FOR THROAT NEEDS TO STAY PUT INTO CONTEXT. THIS IS WHAT ROSA PARKS DID. THIS IS WHAT MLK SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID THERE. BUT ROSEN MARTIN. ARE NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL AND WHERE JAMES DID IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY HAVING POWER TO SUBJECT GATE AND ITS PRESS GROUP, SO PUT ROSA WHO STOOD FOR TALKING ABOUT I THINK, CHILD SOMETHING GET OUT. THIS IS BE A PASSPORT, MARKETABLE FISH SO MUCH. I UNDERSTAND TRADITION. I'M OBSERVING EVERYTHING. AND THEN WE GO UP TO. REALLY HIT ME WHEN YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN HERE 25 YEARS.

ABOUT A PERSON HAS BEEN HERE. NO, NO WARM US E SOME PEOPLE HERE. BEFORE I'M HIT. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LIVED IN KENNY 70 YEARS. MORE. THAT CONTENTION. ALLIES IS WHAT I'M SAYING. NO ONE KNOWS THE HURT. AND I'LL TALK TO PEOPLE FROM 15 YEARS OLD. 90 SOMETHING YEARS OLD. IN MY COMMUNITY IN MY COMMUNITY. AND DESTINY REASON, WHILE. THE YOUNG LADY JUST HAD A FEW MINUTES AGO, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT NO ONE. SHE DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE OF COLD. YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE OF COLOR FROM KIMMY. JUST IN THE SQUIRT. I CAN GO TOE EVERY BUILDING ON THE SQUARE. I CAN'T GO TO THE BILLIONS OF MR DAY ONLY I CAN GO TO THE OTHER PLACES IN AND MECHANICAL OVER MERCHANTS. HALE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO. JUST THE FEELING THAT PEOPLE HAVE MCKINNON THAT'LL FROM KIM. THAT'S WHAT MILTON IS DONE. I CAN GO TO THE.

I'M GOING WHERE NORTH SIDE YOU USED TO BE. OR BLACKS COULDN'T GO. I COULD GO FOR SMITH DRUG USED TO BE. I DON'T GO TO WORK. QUITE. SATO USED TO BE WHERE I THINK MR DAYAN'S WHERE BALES PART MR USED TO BE WHERE BLACKS CONTROL CLOSE TOTAL. RICH CHOPHOUSE OR A GREAT LUNCH

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COUNTER LINES ON THE ON THE LADY TOLD ME WE DON'T SERVE UNTIL WE DON'T WANT. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO NOT. IN ALL THIS. SEA ALL BEST OF BRINGS BACK THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT A FEW WEEKS AGO. CINEMAS OF THE OLD SELF AND YOU GOT WARNER SAID HE'D RAISE HIS HAND. GO ON FOR OUR TOUR. NO. THAT WHEN HE WAS EIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THEN WE TALK ABOUT JUSTICE.

GOD, I'M A HISTORY BUFF MYSELF. AND YOU TALK ABOUT JUSTICE. WE TALKED ABOUT LADY LIBERTY. IS BLIND JUSTICE. YOU KNOW WHAT. JUSTICE. JUSTICE NEEDS TO BE THINKING. ONE IS BLIND. YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. JUSTICE HAS TO BE VISIBLE. IN ORDER FOR EQUAL JUSTICE TO BE GIVEN.

CHARISMA, KIDS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. WARN 2 TO 0. THAT'S JUST FINE. MR MARCH ISSUE.

[Consider/Discuss Presentation on Surrounding Communities/Counties responses to Confederate Monuments]

THANK YOU. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING NOW IS KIND OF BROUGHT UP AND WE THOUGHT IT BE STAFF ALSO THOUGHT TO BE IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR OTHER SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES COUNTY'S DOING RESPONSE TO THEIR CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS WERE ALSO GOING TO DO HAVE KIND OF WHITE. OUR STAFF. MARCY, WITH THEIR LIBRARY HAS DONE SOME GREAT RESEARCH ON WHAT WHAT KIND OF CONSTITUTES A CONFEDERATE MONUMENT? WE THINK THAT WAS. WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT STUFF. CONVERSATIONS WE HAD LAST TIME IS A CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS, NOT CONFEDERATE MONUMENT, SO WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE GOOD. FOR US TO KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT AS WELL. SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST GO THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY, GRAYSON COUNTY HAS A CONFEDERATE MONUMENT. IT IS STILL STANDING. THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION. I KNOW WITHIN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, BUT THERE HAS BEEN NO ACTION TAKEN.

HUNT COUNTY AND GREENVILLE THERE, CONFEDERATE STATUE. IT WAS REMOVED. IT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE GROUNDS OF THEIR MUSEUM THERE. IT WAS REMOVED IN JULY OF THIS YEAR AND PUT IN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION. AVERY TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT DIDN'T COUNTY AND IT WAS REMOVED BY THEIR COMMISSIONERS IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, BUT IT WILL BE REINSTALLED AT SOME PLACE, UM, WITHIN A YEAR, PROBABLY WITH INTERPRETIVE SIGNING AS WELL. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS PER THEIR SALE PERMIT. ELLIS COUNTY AND WAX, A CATCHY SOUTH OF DALLAS. IT'S STILL STANDING. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT. I THINK A PETITION HAS BEEN SIGNED. COOK COUNTY, GAINESVILLE, THEY VOTED TO STAY THE CONFEDERATE MONUMENT, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE ANOTHER MONUMENT IN LEONARD PARKED THERE IN GAINESVILLE AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY REMOVED BY THE CITY AND RETURN TO THE UNITED DOLLARS OF THE CONFEDERACY IN JULY OF THIS YEAR. PARKER COUNTY WEATHERFORD. YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT. WITHIN THE LAST MONTH. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PROTEST SOME VIOLENT PROTESTS.

UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE WEATHERFORD, BUT THE COUNTY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY ACTUALLY TO KEEP IT IN PLACE IN JULY THIS MONTH. KAUFMAN COUNTY HAS A CONFEDERATE MONUMENT IS STILL STANDING HOW EVERY COMMISSION HAS BEEN FORMED BY THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW THAT THAT IS GOING ON GOING. DALLAS COUNTY, ROBERT E. LEE STATUE THERE AT THE VERY TOP THAT WAS ACTUALLY REMOVED BY THE CITY AND WAS SOLD. IT IS NOW AT A GOLF COURSE IN FAR WEST TEXAS AND IN THE CONFEDERATE MONEY IN ITSELF, WHICH WAS NEXT TO THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS ACTUALLY REMOVED WITHIN THE LAST MONTH AS WELL. UH FANNING, COUNTY AND BOTTOM. SO NOW WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO WHO ALSO WANT TO RESEARCH WOULD NECESSARILY WEREN'T CONFEDERATE STATUES AS WE THINK OF HIS CONFEDERATE STATUES OF THE SOLDIER, ETCETERA, BUT MAYBE HAVE CONFEDERATE. TIES TO THEM. SO IN FANNIN COUNTY AND BOTTOM, THEY HAVE A STATUE OF SAMUEL DAVIS THERE IN THE COURTHOUSE SQUARE. TARRANT COUNTY HAS A MEMORIAL THAT WAS PUT UP IN THE FIFTIES, IT WAS VOTED TO BE REMOVED BY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN JUNE. GRANBURY HAS A CONFEDERATE STATUE TO HIRAM GRANBURY, WHO WAS A GENERAL ACTUALLY IN THE CONFEDERACY. JOHNSON COUNTY HAS SEVERAL PATRICK CLEAVER AND THIS THAT SHE WAS ACTUALLY UPON FURTHER RESEARCH. THIS STATUE IS ACTUALLY PUT UP AS RECENTLY AS 2010, SO IT ISN'T CONSIDERED IN THAT TIME PERIOD. AS MOST OTHER CONFEDERATE STATUES WERE PUT UP CLEAVER AND OBVIOUSLY IS WHO THE COUNTY WAS NAMED FOR, BUT THEY DO HAVE A. YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE UPPER RIGHT. THEY DO HAVE A MONUMENT OR MEMORIAL TO THE CONFEDERATE DEAD WEIGHT THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE AND THEN YOU HAVE A CONFEDERATE CEMETERY AS WELL. THEY'RE IN CLEAVER.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FORGOT, AND MARCY AND I TOTALLY WHIFFED ON THIS, UNFORTUNATELY,

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IS THAT ACTUALLY FARMERSVILLE HERE IN COLLIN COUNTY, THEY HAVE A CONFEDERATE STATUE ITSELF ONE THAT WE WOULD THINK OF AS A CONFEDERATE STATUE. SO IT IS LOCATED IN THEIR CITY PARK. SO IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS PRESENTATION, BUT THAT'S THE OTHER ONE IN COLIN COUNTY THAT WE COULD FIND. SO WHAT ARE SOME CHARACTERISTICS OF CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS? SO THEY DO HAVE THE CONFEDERATE AND OR CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA FOR BEING A SYMBOL. USUALLY THE STARS AND BARS AS WE KNOW THEM TO BE. MOST FEATURE UNNAMED SOLDIERS AGAIN. MOST OF THOSE WERE JUST KIND OF THE STANDARD STOCK UNNAMED SOLDIERS THAT ARE BASED UPON SOME ARE BASED UPON SPECIFIC PEOPLE. BUT THEN OTHERS OR JUST OBELISK, ER, ARCHES, OR JUST KIND OF A GENERIC MEMORIAL, WHICH WE SAW. THEY ALMOST ALL CONTAINED PLAQUES OR REFERENCES TO BEING FUNDED, ARE SPONSORED BY THE UNITED DOLLARS OF THE CONFEDERACY, CONFEDERATE VETERANS OF AMERICA, ON THEIR DEDICATED USUALLY TO THE SOLDIERS WHO LOST THEIR LIVES FIGHTING FOR THE CONFEDERACY. A LOT OF THEM ACTUALLY SAY THAT TO OUR LOST SOLDIERS. AND THEN THEY ARE ROUTINELY LISTED AS CONFEDERATE AS OFFICIAL CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS BY A VARIETY OF SOURCES AGAINST OTHER PARTY LOS ENTER THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS A DATABASE IS WELL. SO THAT KIND OF CIRCLES BACK AROUND TO THE CONVERSATION. WE HAD LAST TIME ABOUT THE DRUG MORN STATUE ITSELF. IT IS NOT INCLUDED AS A LIST OF CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS AND THOSE LIST. IT DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY KIND OF CONFEDERATE OR CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA, VERBIAGE OR SYMBOLS. IT IS NOT OFFICIALLY WAS NOT OFFICIALLY SPONSORED BY THE U.

D C OR THE CIBA. THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO ANY OF THAT ON THE STATUE ITSELF. I DID ADD THIS PICTURE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN THIS I THINK THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THIS CONFUSION COMES IN. AS YOU HAVE THIS NEWSPAPER ARTICLE FROM JULY 1927 WHERE, SAYS THE STATUE OF GOVERNOR JAMES W.

THROCKMORTON DIRECTED BY THE DAUGHTERS OF THE CONFEDERACY, WHICH STOOD ON THE SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE SQUARE WAS THEN IT WAS TAKING DOWN WHENEVER THEY ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE COURTHOUSE BACK IN THE 19 TWENTIES, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT. SO YOU KNOW, WANNA COOL? IT JUST GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHY THIS WHY SOME PEOPLE THINK THIS IS A CONFEDERATE STATUE. OUR WAS SPONSORED BY THE U. D. C WHENEVER IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE CASE. SO AGAIN, I'M HERE. QUESTIONS COMMENTS. ANYTHING THAT I'VE PRESENTED INCORRECTLY JUST THERE WAS HIM BEFORE HE WAS PULLED INTO THE CURING SECTION.

WE JUST SAY THAT WE ARE FACT FINDING COMMISSION. IN THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE BACK FORTH MAY NOT GET CAPTURED IN THE FACT THAT THEY PRESENTED A CITY COUNCIL SO THE PRESENTERS YOU HAVE A QUESTION. YOU WANT TO MAKE A POINT MAKE THEM ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR POINT SO THEY'D GET ON PUBLIC RECORD SO THEY COULD SIT AT THE COUNCIL WERE BACK AND FORTH TO EACH OTHER. UM IT OUT HOW MOTION WE ARE CONVICTED ABOUT A POINT. THEY'RE NOT GIVING FOOTED, FINAL RECOMMENDATION OR INFORMATION ON CITY COUNCIL. SO FOR MAKEUP PRISONERS MAKE YOUR POINT QUESTION QUESTION THEIR INFORMATION THEY PROVIDE. THIS IS JUST A CHALLENGE. IN THE RESEARCH THAT YOU'VE DONE AND PUT ON HERE. DISTANCES DISTANCE. FROM A TERRORIST AT YOU. WE HAVE. WE HAD AN ACTIVE CONFEDERATE VETERANS ASSOCIATION HERE. CORRECT AND YOU, D C. DID YOU FIND ANY MENTION WHERE THEY WANTED TO DO THE SOUND OF THINGS THAT EVERY COUNTY AROUND US DID. DIRECTING. I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING FROM OUR RESEARCH. NO, I SAY THAT BECAUSE. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THEY HAD THERE. EVERY NAME. THE LOCAL.

YOU SEE THE CONFEDERATE VETERANS FROGMORE WE CAN THEY DO THAT IN THE LATE 18 HUNDREDS.

THEY CREATED A COMMITTEE IN 19 TO BUILD THIS MORNING AND SO. THIS IDEA THAT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN EVERY OTHER GROUND. IT'S JUST THEY'LL HAVE FIRST. RATHER THAN GENERIC. THERE. RIGHT? YEARS. YOU ALSO SENT OUT THIS THE PRESENTATION. SO THERE ARE FOUR SPEAKERS. AT THE PRESENTATION WHEN IT WAS ERECT AND IT SAYS. WHEN LADIES AND OF THE CITY FEDERATION WILL PRESENT TO THE CITY, THE THROCKMORTON MONUMENT. IT'S GOT FOUR PEOPLE GOT JOHN KINNEY.

GOT IT. W CLOUD IS THE INVOCATION JOHN MCKINNY REMARKS. TOM BROWN, WHO WAS THE

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CHIEF JUSTICE. GAVE THE PRESENTATION AND THE MAYOR. J. R DOG DID THE ACCEPTANCE. I DIDN'T LOOK UP, MISTER. REVEREND. BOUNCED AROUND A BUNCH OF CHURCHES. ALL THREE PARTICIPATED IN COMPETITIVE DAYS. WHICH WAS HELD ROUTINELY IAN MCKINNON EVERY YEAR.

SPECIFICALLY. DOG WAS THERE. AND THEY ALSO SPOKE WITH A LADY NAMED. KATIE DOLPHIN, THE FF A.

M. SHE IS THE HEAD OF THE TEXAS DAUGHTERS CONFEDERACY. THEY BROUGHT HER IN. I WANT TO READ.

THIS IS FROM OUR. RECOUNT. AT THREE IN THE MORNING. CAN'T GIVES REPORT OF PROCEEDING SO THIS IS WHAT THEY CHOSE TO RUN. CHOSE TO WRITE. REVEREND COMRADE JOHN MCKINNY, VETERAN OLD SETTLER OFFERED A VERY APPRECIATIVE AND EARNEST INVOCATIONS. THE SUPREME BEING ASKING HIS GUIDANCE AND BLESSING. PEARL. THIS THING. IN US. I CAN'T READ SOMETHING IS RIGHT BUT GENERATED US WITH ONE OF HER. INTERESTING SPEECHES. JUDGE BROWN OF THE SUPREME COURT OF TEXAS ADDRESSES OLD COLLIN COUNTY FRIENDS AND A VERY PLEASANT. REVIEW OF THE PAST WHILE LIVING AMONG US, IN THIS AND OTHER PARTS OF TEXAS. CLOSING REMARKS. OUR REVIEW OF THE LIFE OF OUR DECEASED FRIEND, STATESMEN AND SOLDIER. W. THROCKMORTON. AND URGED THE COMPLETION OF THE MONUMENT ON THE PUBLIC SQUARE IN HIS MEMBER. HONORABLE J R DOG MADE CONCERNING MONUMENT. WESTERN DEPARTMENT. OF THE UCB, THE CONFEDERATE VETERAN SOLDIERS OF A LOST CAUSE IN WHICH HE CLAIMED THAT EX CONFEDERATE WAS MISSING. HE. AND THE REST ARE STILL CONFEDERATES. YES. SO WE'VE GOT MECHANIC. WE'VE GOT BROWN AND THEN I SHOULD ALSO MENTION. BROWN ALSO SAID IN HIS SPEECH HOW. EVERYBODY MUST UNDERSTAND. HOUSTON, HOUSTON WAS ONLY ONE YES, HE WILL ALSO. AND THEN THAT WAS MAYOR OF TIME. DOGGETT SERVED WHAT FIVE OR SIX TERMS AS MAYOR. THE DOG. IT WAS ALSO THE HEAD OF THE YOU SEE THE MONUMENT COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED IN THAT BEFORE. SO LIKE THIS, THIS IS. THIS ABSENCE OF USE TV ARTIST EVER COUNTY. COMPLETELY PARTICIPATING IN THIS ONE. I HAD A QUESTION. MR DODIE, AND IT MADE SOMEONE MAY WANT TO RESPOND TO WHAT I SAID. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STATUE AND REMOVAL CONTEXTUALIZE. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE STATUTE. A STATUE ON A PEDESTAL. LOT OF COURTHOUSE HASN'T. OR THIS. SOCIAL ORDER. WHO'S TO SAY IT'S LOST. WE KNOW THAT WE ARE RECLAIMING. OUR PROMINENCE IN THIS SOCIETY. THIS IS IT IS THIS FIGURE STANDING OVER. HEY. WHAT SHOULD BE THE PUBLIC SQUARE. TO SAY. IT'S ON LY THE PUBLIC SQUARE FOR SOME OF US. DON'T SAY THAT IN 1911 45 DAYS AFTER THIS PRESENTATION. IT WAS GUY AND FARMERS BUILDERS COMMITTED CRIME. HE SAID SOMETHING MEAN TO A LADY ON TO A TELEPHONE OPERATOR. CHUCK HIM IN A WAGON. LEFT IN THERE FOR A DAY AND DECIDED NOT TO BRING HIM TO THE COURTHOUSE. BECAUSE. REASONABLY. HE DESERVES SOME DIFFERENT JUSTICE. AND SO, 45 DAYS AFTER THE ERECTUS AT YOU. IT'S TRYING TO RESET A SOCIAL ORDER. LYNCH, A MAN. 15 MILES

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DOWN THE ROAD. IT DOESN'T GET JUSTICE BECAUSE OF THIS MAN. BECAUSE ROCK WOULDN'T CREATED THAT SOCIAL. REINSTALL BARCODES. WITH THE WHOLE IDEA OF. WE HAVE A SOCIETY THAT IS STILL MARKED. SEGREGATION. MR CAMPBELL YOU MENTIONED THEY DID. FREEDMAN SCHOOL WAS BUILT WITH ALL THE MEANS OBJECTIFYING. I COULDN'T FIND ANY MEANS BECAUSE OF HIM. HE CREATED THAT SOCIAL ORDER. WHERE IS YOUR BASIS FOR THAT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INTENT. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT HIS INTENT WASS? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ATTEMPT WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ALONG ON.

CONSIGNED THE BLACK COATS. HE WAS THE GOVERNOR THAT SIGNED BLACK COAT, BLACK SHOES, BLACK HOLES OF THE PRECURSOR TO JIM CROW LAWS. THEY DID NOT PROVIDE SOME STAFF. THEY CREATED A SECONDARY SOURCE OF. CITIZENSHIP FRAUD. MORTON HAS JOHNNY SO BLACK HOLES WERE SET OF LAWS TO DEAL WITH FREE SLAVES AND. SET UP A STRUCTURE BASICALLY FORCED PEOPLE BACK INTO SLAVERY GOT HAVE FACED OF THE 13. IT WAS A WAY TO HELP WAS ARRESTED. YOU BAIL THEM OUT NOW THEY ALWAYS INDEBTED TO YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR FREE. SHIRT LOSS OF THOSE THINGS BEFORE THE STRUCTURE, BUT. JUST LIFT YOUR INITIAL TIME. I'D ALSO CONSIDER THAT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY PASSES.

BACK HOME WITH A PARTY OF SLAVERY. I'M NOT, YOU BECAUSE EVERY TIME I MENTION THAT, BECAUSE I ALSO WANT TO PROBLEM CONTACT THEY WERE GONNA BLAME. OF A PLACE PLAIN. FOR SLAVERY FOR SOMEONE ON THE SLAVE, NOT BLAME THE PARTY POLITICAL OR HAVE NOT MENTIONED THE PARTY HAVE NOT STILL BLAME SOMEONE. FORD WITH PEOPLE IN THE PARTY MAKE UP. BUT THIS TIME HAS EVOLVED TWO OR THREE TIMES SINCE THIS TIME HAS NOT, SIR MR JUDGE. I DON'T SEE HOW I COULD.

COME UP WITH A BETTER JUSTIFICATION. KEEPING THIS SO COLD. FEDERAL STATUES. AND THE PICTURES THAT YOU PUT UP OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES. NOSE. OBVIOUS. LOOK AT YOU CAN SEE.

YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THIS ONE AND SEE THAT OFF. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MAYOR IF YOU D C PAID FOR THE PORTION OF IT, THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR MONEY'S WORTH. CALL IS CLEARLY NOT A CONFEDERATE MEMORIAL. NOW, JUSTIN, I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THAT IT IS. THIS IS GUILT BY ASSOCIATION.

IF SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ATTRIBUTED TO JAMES. IF SOMEBODY MADE A SPEECH SOMEBODY WROTE SOMETHING. SOMEBODY PUT SOMETHING IN THE PAPER. OH, BUDDY. KILL SOMEBODY OR. FACT, SOMEBODY AND FARMERS VEIL THAT IS NOT JAMES BROUGHT MORE. IT'S NOT IT'S GUILT BY ASSOCIATION. SO. FOR THIS PARTICULAR STATUE IS CONCERNED. THERE'S NOTHING NOTHING. NOT ONE WORD, NOT ONE SYLLABLE, NOT ONE LETTER. IT SUGGESTS THAT THIS IS A CONFEDERATE. MEMORIAL ARE CONFEDERATE STATUE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE. AND SO, UH, THE OTHER COUNTIES AROUND HERE. THEY'VE GOT THEIR STATUES. THEY'VE GOT THEIR REASONS THEY GOT THERE PURPOSES THEY'VE GOT THEIR ACTIONS. WHAT. THEY ARE CLEARLY DISTINCT CLASS, NOT OURS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR MARCO? QUESTION? UM. RIDLEY MET HIS HAND OF THE BETTER KILL YOU LAST WORD. THAT'S OKAY. MR DADDY ON THE OTHER STATUES THAT ARE CONFEDERATE STATUES. DID YOU IDENTIFY WHICH SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE THOSE WERE LOCATED ON. SOMETIME RESEARCH, BUT I THINK THERE ARE USUALLY ALWAYS ON THE NORTH SIDE USING THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY FACE OUT THAT IT WAS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS. THAT WAS THAT THEY FACE OUT AND BE LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IF JUST AS A POINT OF. ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND APARTMENT FOR ONE POINT I

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HAVEN'T FOUND ONE YET. THAT WAS. NOT ON THE OUTSIDE. MAYBE, BUT JUST ONE AND WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, CAUSE THE BASE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE BASE OF THE STATUE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ON THAT CORNER OF THE COURTHOUSE SQUARE IS NEVER BEEN NEVER BEEN IN ANY OTHER LOCATION EXCEPT. JUST A NORTHWEST NORTHEAST. YES, YEAH. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. I THINK WE ARE GOOD REPRESENTATION. OF WHAT PEOPLE THINK. IN THIS CITY.

THERE ARE GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OFFENDED BY IT. AND THERE ARE GROUPS THAT ARE NOT. AND I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL CAN COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION. THAT WILL BRING THE CITY TOGETHER BECAUSE I'M AFRAID THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DECIDE. THERE IS DIVISIVENESS THERE AND IT'S. IT'S HARMFUL TO SOME. IT'S NOT THE OTHERS, AND I JUST APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S OPINION. I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYONE'S OPINION, AND I KNOW NOT INVITE AGREES WITH ME. I THINK THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO SEE THAT OUR COUNCIL HAS A DIFFICULT DECISION HEAD UP. MY QUESTION IS. I THOUGHT AND I MAY BE WRONG. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING OTHER THINGS.

BESIDES THE STATUE. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE AT THE NEXT MEETING IS WEARING DISCUSS OTHER OTHER THINGS. WE THINK WE KNOW THROCKMORTON STREET HAS COME UP A SUPPORTING DISCUSSION.

ANYTHING ELSE, AND THAT'S MORE JUST FOR THE CITY STAFF AS WELL. FIRST THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT MAYBE IN THE PUBLIC AROUND THAT MAY NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AT A LATER TIME. SO THAT IS FOR MEETING NUMBER THREE, WHILE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEY WILL HAVE THAT PORTION IS WELL. YES, I HAD QUESTIONS WAS ON THE SLIDE. YOU HAD GAINESVILLE? MAYBE THEY HAD TO USE THAT ONE WAS REMOVED. BUT ONE WAS NOT. WHY WAS ONE. MOVED IN THE OTHER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT I'M ASKING. I WOULD I'M GOINGTO SEE MARCY KNOWS. AND IF SHE DOES GREAT, IF SHE DOESN'T, I'M GONNA TAKE A GUESS AT IT. I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY. THE COUNTY THAT VOTED TO KEEP IT.

NOT THE CITY. YOU'RE SEEING THAT EVEN IF THE CITY WANTS A STATUE REMOVED, THE COUNTY WILL ACTUALLY VOTE, SAYS THAT'S COUNTY PROPERTY. THEY WILL VOTE TO KEEP IT LIKE IN WEATHERFORD.

I KNOW THAT I READ IN THE NEWSPAPER. THAT THE CITY WEATHERFORD I THINK THE MAYOR OR SOMEONE HE WANTED THE STATUE REMOVED BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING. THE PROTEST, BUT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY VOTED TO KEEP IT. I KNOW THAT'S HAPPENED, UM. IN OXFORD, MISSISSIPPI, AS WELL. THE CITY OF OXFORD WANTING TO REMOVED BUT IT'S THE LAFAYETTE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY BURIED TO KEEP IT IN PLACE. GO OUT TO THE I THINK YOU GET THREE LOCATIONS. IN THE CENTRE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF MOVING IT. HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OFF? WHAT. BUT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THE SALE? PLAYED TO BE WITH ONE OF THOSE THREE. SO IF YOU WANT CLARIFIED, THOSE THOSE WERE JUST OPTIONS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO THINK OF PLACES THAT PERHAPS MAY WANT TO TAKE YOUR POSSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD, EXCEPT FOR PECAN GROVE CEMETERY WE HAVE NOT REALLY HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH ANY OF THOSE ENTITIES. WE JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT. AND ACTUALLY, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE INCLUDED THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON RIGHT THERE. UM I DON'T WANT PUTTING MY ON THE SPOT. BUT WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS. WE HAVE TO PART OF THE SALE PERMIT FOR THE TEXTILE COMMISSION. WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY IT'LL BE REMOVED. IT'LL BE REINSTALLED AT ANOTHER PLACE, AND SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO KNOW WHERE IT WAS GOING TO BE IN REINSTALLED. FOR THEM TO REVIEW AND HOPEFULLY APPROVED THAT PERMIT. THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IT MAY BE A OKAY WITH YOU. WILL THERE BE ANY FEASIBILITY? OF IT BEING IN ONE OF THOSE. I THINK THERE'S FEASIBILITY. FOR PROBABLY ALL THOSE OPTIONS. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHETHER THOSE ENTITIES WANT TO TAKE ON THAT AS WELL, I THINK THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE HAD WITH THE CONG GROW, I THINK MERE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT VANDALISM. BRINGING UNDUE. A SPOTLIGHT TO THE CEMETERY NOW AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHEN THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT TAKING THE STATUE. THAT IS THE ONLY GROUP THAT WE'VE HAD ANY KIND OF AN INFORMAL CONVERSATION ABOUT. EDWARD ASKED QUESTION WITH REGARD TO TRICK ONE OF THE

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OPTIONS WERE SOMETHING WAS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. WASS, UM, TRACKING DOWN ANCESTORS DESCENDANTS FOR ANY INTEREST IN THE STATUE, HAVE WE. WE KNOW. ARE THERE ANY DESCENDANTS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA? THAT WOULD WE COULD TALK. TO WE HAVE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS TRACK DOWN, MAYBE A FEW PEOPLE. UNFORTUNATELY THE MORE THAT WE'VE GONE AND UNDERSTOOD THE PROCESS ONE OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS THAT IT IS A PUBLIC CAN BE VIEWED PUBLICLY.

AND SO THAT MAY NOT BE AN ACTUAL OPTION. MISS FORD TO BE SOLD TO A PRIVATE. ENTITY.

YEAH, ENTITY OR BE PLACED IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD LIKE THAT, SO THAT THAT MAY NOT BE ACTUALLY A VIABLE OPTION. UNDERSTOOD? THANK YOU. YEAH. JUST RESPOND TO YOU HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR FEW LIVING RELATIVES. I WANT TO BE HERE TO US TO REACH OUT, BUT CORY SPECIAL THEN WHAT ELSE? I'M SORRY. STEP AWAY FOR A MINUTE. JUSTIN IN REGARDS. TO TALK TO THE LAST MEETING ABOUT PURPOSE OF MONUMENTS. HERE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE INTENT OF MONEY. GOOD OF PEOPLE'S ABOVE A PEDESTAL. ONE OF THOSE ALL PERIOD. COMPARE IT TO THE ONE THAT WE'VE ALL COMPARED TO BATHROOM SONGS. WE CAN CONTEXTUALIZE RESTAURANTS.

WITHOUT. CONTAINING THE INTENT OF. WE CONTEXTUALIZE THAT'S YOU. WITHOUT WHAT WITH AND REMOVED THE ORIGINAL INTENT. THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION TALKING ABOUT HER. THAT'S A VERY GOOD PLACE TO MAKE IT. NOT YET. A LETTER OF OBJECTION MOVING ON THE QUESTION OF MR MORE WATER. OKAY? ZERO DASH THROUGH 751. OKAY? POLITICIANS SO I GUESS I'LL BE JAKAYA. SO

[Consider/Discuss Public Input Process]

I'M SORRY. I HAVE TO DEAL WITH ME IF YOU KNEW FOR SURE. SO THIS LAST PART AGAIN KILL MENTION THIS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF OUR INTRODUCTION. WHAT WE'RE DOING PART OF WHAT THE REASON COUNCIL PUT THIS. ADVISORY BOARD TOGETHER WAS ALSO FOR Y'ALL TO SERVE AS A VEHICLE TO GET PUBLIC COMMENT. AN OPINION FOR PEOPLE AND SO AS KIM MENTION OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 17TH WILL ACTUALLY HAVE. IF MAJORITY OR WELL, WE'LL SEE. PART OF THAT MEETING WILL BE PUBLIC COMMON WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME. GIVE COMMENT TO THE ADVISORY BOARD BECOME PART OF PUBLIC RECORD. ANOTHER PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE. A PUBLIC INPUT WE'RE CALLING IS SURVEY. WE KIND OF HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE. IT'S NOT REALLY A SURVEY. WE'RE JUST ASKING PEOPLE THEIR OPINION ON ON WHAT SHOULD BE DONE TO THE STATUE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE INFORMATION ABOUT THE RESPONDER. WE ARE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING IS WHAT IS YOUR ZIP CODE, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRACK ZIP CODES HERE, MCKINNEY OR PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY MCKINNEY RESPONDING TO IT, OR IS IT JUST WHO IN MCKINNEY IS ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO THIS? SO THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. AND THEN JUST THE OPINION REGARDING THIS, THE STATUE ITSELF AND THE FUTURE STATUS OF IT. THE, UM. OPTIONS WILL BE PRESENTED OR THE ONES THAT I PRESENTED TODAY IN MY SLIDE. AND SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BUT THEY'RE ALSO IS GOING TO BE AN OPTION FOR ANY KIND OF OTHER. AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIELD ALSO FOR JUST COMMENTS. ANYTHING BY HAS ANY COMMENTS AT ALL. SO DON'T TRY TO MAKE IT AS OPEN ENDED AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE THEIR OPINION GIVE THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT. SO THE TIMELINE IS WE'RE GOING TO START IT ON SEPTEMBER. THE 10TH. WE'RE GOING ENDED ON SEPTEMBER. THE 25TH. ANY ID ON THE 25TH WILL AGAIN ALLOWS TO KIND OF APOLLO THE INFORMATION TOGETHER AND PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 6 MINUTES, THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW THIS. S SO WE HAVE ABOUT IT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABOUT TWO WEEKS, SO IT'S GOING TO APPEAR IN THE CITY MCKINNEY NEWSLETTER ON THE 10TH 17TH IN THE 21ST. IMPACT ON MAIN STREET AS CITY OF MCKINNEY, SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, THE CITY MCKINNEY ITSELF HAS MEDIA PLATFORMS WERE PUT ON NEXT DOOR. IT'LL BE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE. SO I THINK KILL MENTIONED BEGINNING WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU ALL TO ALSO DISTRIBUTED OUT AS WELL TO PEOPLE THAT YOU ALL KNOW TO TAKE IT. ON. AND IT'S REALLY GONNA BE JUST ASKING YOU ALL TO SPREAD THE

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WORD THAT WE DO HAVE THIS PUBLIC OPINION COMPONENT TO IT IF PEOPLE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE COMING DOWN, ACTUALLY SPEAKING IN PERSON. THIS IS THEIR OPTION TO DO THAT, AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS CONCERNS. IT'S A JUSTIN HAS HAD A PORTION I GOT A NUMBER OF CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS. DO WE KNOW THE DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN? ON. REACHED THROUGH THE NEWSLETTER SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS NEXT DOOR. I AM NOT AWARE THAT WE KNOW THAT DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN OF THOSE NO. IN THAT IT HAS A. ASPERITY IN AGES AND DISPARITY. RACE EDUCATION BACKGROUND. IT MATCHES OUR GENERAL. CITY DEMOGRAPHICS. IDEALLY I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT THEY WOULD MERE ONE ANOTHER. BUT I HONESTLY CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WHICH AGAIN IS WHY WE'RE ASKING YOU AS THE BOARD MEMBERS TO USE YOUR CONTEXT. YOUR CONTACTS AND SEND IT OUT TO COMMUNITIES THAT WE MAY BE MISSING AS WELL. WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. BUT MARK, I WOULD NEVER ASSUME THAT. THE COACH IS INDICATED THAT. YOU DON'T MIND. IT'S GREAT. IT'S JUST A QUICK QUESTION. UM, I HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING SINCE COVA SO HARD IS THAT WORK WHEN WE'RE OVER CAPACITY FOR PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO COME HERE? AND SPEAK. SO WE'LL HAVE SPEAKERS AS WE DO NOW, AND THEN PEOPLE WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE LOBBY AREAS WELL. AND THEN IF THEY HAVE TO GO, AND IF THE WELL SO I MEAN, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT RUNS ACCORDINGLY THAT PEOPLE HAVE TIMES MUCH LIKE COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL CALL. PEOPLE WILL SAY THIS PERSON'S UP, SPEAK NEXT PERSON IN LINE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE ENOUGH TIME. TEO. GET IN THE ROOM WITHOUT BREAKING RULES THAT HAS OCCURRED IT SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE'VE AT LEAST WE PRACTICED A LITTLE BIT. I CAN'T. THAT IS WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH YOU. KIND OF LOOK AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR THE PUB COMIC SECTION PART OF THE DAY, A PART OF THAT TIME. SOMETHING IN THE APARTMENT WITH PUBLIC COUNTENANCE, DO WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH TIME THAT IS? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE.

DO WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY? I'M JUST REMINDED CITY OF AUSTIN.

THEY CLEAR 12 HOURS 12 HOURS OF A COMET. THAT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT WE DO BUT UNDERSTAND, PREPARED. TO CLEAR THE DAY. THERE'S JUST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE. COMMENTS WERE STARTING AT SIX O'CLOCK THAT EVENING, SO IT WON'T BE A FOUR O'CLOCK LIKE WE BEEN DOING THE FIRST TWO THINGS THAT IS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME DOWN.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE HAVE HAD QUITE IF YOU JUST THINK IN A COUPLE HOURS AND SOME MEETINGS, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROVIDING THIS. UNLIKE COMPONENT AS WELL THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH WAITING IN LINE FOR A LONG TIME. OR BEING AROUND IN THE CROWD BECAUSE OF COVERT OR WHATEVER THEY DO HAVE THAT OTHER OPTION AND SO WE'RE ALLOCATING TWO HOURS AND SO KNOCK ON WOOD THAT YOU KNOW WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT. WE WILL. WE'RE GOINGTO KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES, EACH PERSON THE WAY THAT WE DO FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO IF WE HAD 500 PEOPLE COME EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE A LOT OF 200 OR TWO HOURS, YOU'RE GOING TO LET EVERY PERSON GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? WELL, ISN'T THERE A TIME LIMIT LIKE THREE COUNCIL MEETING? BUT WHEN IT ROLLS INTO THE NEXT DAY, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ABOUT SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? IF WE DID? I'M NOT SAYING WE ARE.

LET'S SAY WE HAD FIVE SHIRT. CONCERNED CITIZENS ARM OR ALL SIGN A CARD WHEN THEY'RE THREE MINUTES TO SAY HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE STATUE. GOOD BATTER DIFFERENT ARE WE PREPARED TO ALLOW THAT TO GO ON TO YOUR POINT? ARE WE GOING TO CAP IT AT A CERTAIN POINT? I JUST LOGISTICALLY AND WONDERING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK THE ANSWER IS THAT WE HAVE OPTIONS AND THAT WE MEAN WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYONE OFF. WE DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE HURT, BUT THERE ARE OPTIONS RELATED TO WHAT WE DO WITH THAT. SO WHETHER THAT'S SCHEDULING SORT OF EMERGENCY FOLLOW UP MEETING. THE COUNCIL IN THEIR MEETINGS. IF THEY'RE VERY FULL, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THE TIME LIMIT FOR THREE MINUTES OF TWO MINUTES. ONE MINUTE IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, I WOULD THINK THE ADVISORY BOARD WE HAVE THE SAME. LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY, BUT THE GOAL IS TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE. SO IF WE ARE IN THAT SITUATION WE WILL TRY TO ACCOMMODATE IN THE BEST WAY WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE. YEAH, I WAS JUST MORE THINKING. PREEMPTED BECAUSE THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE A REALITY FOR US THAT WE WILL.

WE'RE TRYING TO THINK. PROACTIVELY WITH THIS. WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO HER. MAYBE ADDRESS MR CONCERNED. BUT WHAT WE PLAN TO LOOK BUT A TENDENCY FOR PEOPLE.

IN THE BOARD. QUICK VOTE BEFORE WE START. WITH WE JUST TIME FROM 3 TO 1? THAT. THAT THAT'S

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WHY YOU WERE THERE AT COLUMNS. MR MORGAN DIDN'T CHANGE. WORK ADVISORY BOARD, BUT YET WE'RE NOT ADVISING CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE BEING TOLD WHAT THE CITY IS ALREADY PLANNING TO DO IS MAKING PLANS TO DO SOMETHING TO THIS STATUE. I HAVEN'T HAD A REAL QUESTIONS. WHAT IS OUR PURPOSE? AND THEN WHEN WE'RE BRINGING PUBLIC IN. ASK US QUESTIONS. WHY ARE THEY NOT DIRECTING THOSE QUESTIONS TO COUNSEL WHO'S MAKING THIS IS WE DON'T HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE.

WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? I MEAN, SO YOU ARE. THEY'RE NOT ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS IS SIMPLY YOUR PROVIDED THERE IS A FORUM FOR SOMEONE TO COME UP AND SAY I'M R DODI OLIVE IN MCKINNEY. I THINK THE STATUES SHOULD STAY IN PLACE WHERE I THINK IT SHOULD BE. IT'S NOT. MR KIMBLE, I THINK YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE YOU THINK THROW IMPORTANT WAS A GREAT GUY. IT IS SIMPLY Y'ALL SHOULD NOT BE ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS. THERE SHOULD NOT BE AND THAT MAY BE SOME GROUND RULES THAT WAY BEFORE ALSO THAT THIS IS COMMON ON LEE. IT IS WHAT WE PRODUCE. TWO. COUNSEL, YOU ARE TO PRODUCE THE RESEARCH THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY PRODUCED THE SOURCES AND WE'RE ALL GONNA GIVE ALL THAT INFORMATION TO COUNSEL AND LET THEM. HOPEFULLY BEING ABLE TO DIRECT THEIR QUESTIONS. TO COUNSEL CORRECTLY. IT'S PART OF WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT. OVATION. J CERTAINLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ATTEND ANY COUNCIL MEETING, INCLUDING THE ONE WHERE COUNCIL DISCUSSES THIS COMPREHENSIVE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THIS STATEMENT OF PURPOSE, THOUGH, FOR THIS BOARD, AND DO YOU HAVE. HAVE IT HERE. I JUST READ IT AGAIN.

ADVICE STAFF PERFORMING EXPERT RESEARCH RELATED TO THE CONTEXT APPROPRIATENESS RELEVANCY OF THE THROCKMORTON STATUE AND ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS ENGAGED IN THE DISCUSSION. THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAY BE PRESENTED WITH THOROUGH BALANCED RESEARCH OPTIONS REGARDING STATUE AND OTHER CULTURAL ARTIFACTS LOCATED AT CITY ON A PROPERTY. UM, THIS.

SET UP OF THESE THREE MEETINGS YOU THINK HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN PREVIOUS FUNDS IT BUT I AGREE WITH MARKET YOU'RE KIND OF THE VENUE FOR FOLKS TO COME. AND CERTAINLY THEY CAN, ADDITIONALLY COME TO COUNSEL WHAT THEY WANT. AND THEN, MR. SO, MR DODY, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO REITERATE AGAIN KIND OF PIGGY BACK OFF HIS CONCERN ABOUT. NO, THE VOLUME OF INDIVIDUALS WERE GOING TO SHOW UP WITH WRITS AND PERSON OR WHETHER A COMMENT. ON THE SURVEY, IF YOU WILL, BUT I'M REALLY HOPING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A WAY TO. MONITOR AND HER SCREEN. THAT COMMENTS ESPECIALLY ONLINE ARE LIMITED TO INDIVIDUALS WHO RESIDE IN MCKINNEY AND ANYONE IN DALLAS COUNTY CITY OF PALACE OR ANY OF THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES.

WITH REGARDS TO THE IN PERSON COMMENT ARE COMMUNISTS. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S POSSIBLE JULIAN SET TOO. A LIMIT THAT TO TWO FOLKS FROM FROM THE CITY IS IT AND I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION.

CAN YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE STATUE TO CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY ONLY AND NOT. OUTSIDE WAS COMING INTO VOICE THEIR FEEDBACK OR OPINIONS. UNFORTUNATELY IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO ANYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION. THEY'RE CONCERNED, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN NECESSARILY. LIMITED TO PEOPLE THAT JUST LIVING MCKINNEY UM. AGAIN. YOU KNOW WHERE I THINK WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT. IF WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE THE DAY OFF TO SEE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE HERE AND THEN WE'LL JUST ASK FOR Y'ALL TO BE PATIENT. BE NIMBLE AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WITH US AS WELL STAFFED, TOO. YOU KNOW IF WE NEED TO LIMIT IT TO THE SPEAKER TO THE TWO OF A MINUTE TIME. AGAIN. WE'RE HOPING THAT IT WILL BE VERY QUICK OPINIONS WILL BE. WE THINK IT SHOULD. STAGE AGO. WE SHOULD WHATEVER WE'RE HOPING THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE THAT FIRST OF ALL QUESTIONS YOU ALL THAT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT FAIR TO Y'ALL. BUT THEN ALSO HOPEFULLY WILL BE CLEAR AND CONCISE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO IT.

IF YOU JUST FOLLOW SO PUBLIC COMMENT. OBVIOUSLY CAN'T BE. WE CAN'T LOOK AT THAT AND DETERMINE WHAT THEY LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY OR NOT THERE, IT'S OPEN FORUM. I WOULD HELP IT. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MONITOR THAT FOR THE ONLINE PORTION. I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT THE INFORMATION IS SKEWED. BECAUSE FOLKS. OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY SHARED THEIR FEEDBACK AND WHETHER THAT'S INTENTIONAL, YOU KNOW, BY USING THE ZIP CODE IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CRITERIA, UM, USING UP IN THE CASE, IT'S THAT EASY TO GET IN. AND THAT'S CONCERNING ME FROM AN INTEGRITY PERSPECTIVE OFF THE DATA THAT'S GOING TO BE CALLED FOR THAT. SO THE WAY WE'RE GOINGTO FRAME IT IS THAT THE FIRST QUESTION ARE THE FIRST THING THAT YOU ANSWER IS WHAT ZIP CODE ARE YOU IN, AND IT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED. SO WE'RE HOPING NOT HOPING, BUT IT MAY SERVE AS A DETERRENT TO

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PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE WITHIN OUR ZIP CODES. BUT THEN ALSO WHAT WERE GOING TO BE. AND THEN BUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE IN SEPARATE. WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PRODUCE PROBABLY A MAP FOR COUNSEL AS WELL. THAT SHOWS OF THIS SURVEY AREA WHO ACTUALLY WITHIN OUR ZIP CODES THAT REPRESENT MCKINNEY. ANSWER THIS AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF FILTER IT OUT THAT WAY AS WELL.

SO WE WILL. WE WILL MAKE AN EFFORT AS MUCH OF AN EFFORT AS WE CAN. YOU SEPARATE THAT DATA OUT SO THAT THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING OF IF WE HAD 500 PEOPLE FROM DALLAS COUNTY ALL OF A SUDDEN LOAD THIS SURVEY UP. THEN WE'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT ONLY 200 PEOPLE FROM MCKINNEY ACTUALLY. EXPRESS THEIR OPINION ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH YOU BEFORE WE GO TO MR THAT.

JUST PHONE QUESTION MARK WAS ASKING. CAN WE PRIORITIZE MAKIN US OVER? NON RESIDENTS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IN THE SURVEY OR HERE IN THE PERSON IN PERSON? I DO NOT BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT, OKAY? KEEP BACKING. OUT MY QUESTIONS FOR SORRY. ONE OF THEM. WASS COULD BE A DAY OF I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH. IS THAT ALL WE ABLE TO DO WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THAT FROM THREE MINUTES FOR ONE. SO THAT OR TWO TO ALLOW MORE PEOPLE PER HOUR TO COME THROUGH. IS THAT IS THAT ALLOWS OR ONCE POST ON THAT AGENDA THAT THEY HAVE PRINTS OFF. OKAY. OKAY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS NOT HIS POLICY THAT NEED TO BE THINK YOU'RE NOW ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IF WE COULD HAVE A SLIDE UP AT THE TIME. MOST LIKE WE HAD EARLIER JUST.

PEOPLE GET UP AND THEY FORGET WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WHAT THEY NEED TO SAY. WE HAVE A SLIGHT SAYS STATE YOUR NAME. A CITIZEN OF MCKINNEY. HOW MANY YEARS YEARS? I DON'T THINK SOMETIMES, PERSONAL NAME JUST REMINDED ME THAT I WOULD LIKE YOUR NAME. SIS MCKINNEY OR OR NOT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW. AND THE END HAVE UP THOSE OPTIONS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE JUST LIKE WE HAD? I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY KNOW WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. BUT GIVE GIVE HIM THOSE AND THEN A REMINDER, SAYING, PLEASE BE BRIEF. YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE RESPECTED PEOPLE, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THINK IT HELPS BEFORE LOOKING UP AND THEY SEE THAT. OH TAKE MY MONEY AND INTRODUCE MYSELF. SO WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE HAVE TO FILL OUT SPEAKER CARDS, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT RECORD AS WELL. AND THEN FOR YOUR WHAT YOU SAID. JUST NOW WE DO WHENEVER SOMEBODY GETS UP, THEY SAY, MARK DODY, I'M. 1234 SESAME STREET. MCKINNEY, TEXAS 7 50, YOU 70 OR WHATEVER. SO WE DO HAVE THAT SO WE WILL TRY IT. WE'LL THINK ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING UP THERE. I THINK SOMETIMES IT HELPS WITH BE SURE WE WILL HAVE ANY HELPFUL THEY HAD THEIR HEARING MY OPTIONS. AGREE WITH THIS? ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE TIME OR UP LIKE WE DO IT CHANGE YOU JUST MENTIONED JUST THINK THERE MIGHT BE A DISPARITY HERE REGARD. I LIVE RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF ALSO. INTERVIEWS ALSO SHOWING 69 SO. OKAY? AND ALSO IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO STEP RIGHT OR ASK DOWNTOWN URCHINS JUST CAN'T SEE YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE YOU? NO, I'M EXCITED. BECAUSE COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO MY DAUGHTER CAME DOWN HERE WITH HER THREE YOUNG KINS.

NO MORE GODS AND GUNS IN FRONT OF STATUES. AND SHE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, SCARED OR SHE LAUGHED.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE. THEY'RE BEING AFFECTED BY, YOU KNOW, JUST COME WHERE THEY STAND. AND WE CAN ASK AMY WITH IMPACT IN MAIN STREET IF THEY'VE DONE ANY KIND OF RESEARCH JUST CONCENTRATED WITHIN THEIR CORE GROUP OF PEOPLE IF THEY HAVE ANY OPINION ON THE STATUE. WHAT SHOULD WE DON'T FIT AS WELL? ABSOLUTELY. I'M BEGINNING TO AGREE WITH COLIN WHEN HE SAID, I'M NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY THIS IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH, PARTICULARLY IF. SAME PEOPLE WHO WOULD APPEAR IN THIS VEHICULAR. OPEN FORUM. WE'RE GOING TO ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE SAME SUBJECT.

MAY. WELL, IT'S A DUBIOUS VALUE. HOWEVER, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT. WHY WOULDN'T WE START AT FOUR CLOCK? PLAN TO GO ON A BREAK. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS DISCUSSION AND WE BELIEVE, STARTING AT SIX O'CLOCK ALLOWS PEOPLE THAT DO WORK. WHERE THE DAY YEAH, BUT IF YOU BUT IF YOU START AT FOUR O'CLOCK. AND YOU DON'T CLOSE IT DOWN. SIX O'CLOCK, YOU'RE STILL ALLOWING.

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THE HOUR'S WORTH, IF NECESSARILY BEFORE BEFORE THAT PEOPLE GET OFF FROM WORK WOULD COME IN AND. LISTEN TO THEM FOR TWO HOURS, BUT THAT. AND THEN THE ALTERNATIVE. WHY WOULD WE NOT CONSIDER PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE GONNA LIMIT FOR ONE MINUTE? WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST GIVE HIM THREE BY FIVE CARDS AND SAY, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? LET ME WRITE IT DOWN. AND THEN YOU CAN EITHER READ HIM BACK TO US SO YOU CAN READ INTO THE PUBLISHER, OR YOU CAN PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO. SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO SOMEBODY PARTICULARLY CAN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. IF WHILE WE SHOULD JUST SIT HERE, AND, UH. A SUBJECT OURSELVES TO A STREAM OF PEOPLE LIMITED TO ONE HOUR, ONE MINUTE, EACH TELLING US EITHER THEY'RE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT, OR WHAT THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WHEN WE COULD JUST GET THAT OFF A THREE BY FIVE CARD. I THOUGHT. SO MORGAN, WE MOVE BEFORE THEY ATE THAT WOULD COME RELIEVE THE PRESSURE. TRY SQUEEZE EVERYONE INTO TWO OR FOUR. WONDER IF IT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT TO ADJUST IN TIME. I MEAN, IF Y'ALL IF THE DIRECTION IS WE STARTED FOUR O'CLOCK IF WE WANT FLEX THE TIME START FOUR O'CLOCK THE NEXT MEETING. WE CERTAINLY DO THAT WE ESTABLISH TRYING TO BE CONSIDERATE. WE HAD SOME CRITICISM ABOUT OTHER MEETINGS. WE'RE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS BEING TAKEN ON THIS STARTING AT FOUR O'CLOCK AND SO AGAIN IF Y'ALL WANT TO START IT FOR A CLOCK, THE NEXT MEETING. I GUESS MY PERSONALLY CONCERN IS WE MAY HAVE FIVE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP AND THEN WE'RE DONE AT FIVE O'CLOCK AND THEN WE GET CRITICIZED FOR NOT ALLOWING THE PEOPLE THAT WORK UNTIL SIX. SO I JUST I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. BE COURTEOUS OF THE CITY STAFF. BEEN HERE ALL NIGHT WORKING, THEY HAVE TO STAY UNTIL EVERYONE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING. EMPRESS HAS TO BE HERE. THAT'S THE BEST RESOLVE WARD. SO DO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING THE NEXT MEETING TO FOUR O'CLOCK OR FIVE WAS THE OVERALL CONSENSUS. I THINK TIM INJURY AWAY FOR WORK, BUT YOU CAN SEE FIVE YEARS. I STRUGGLE TO THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE 500. MAYBE I'M WRONG. FEEL LIKE LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HAVE YOU ALWAYS ARE? MIGHT BE HURT AGAIN. YOU KNOW HOW POPULAR WE REALLY ARE WAY HAVE LEFT HOMELESS PROMOTION FOR TOO QUICK. MUCH APPRECIATED. I STILL HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

OKAY? I THINK MY COMMENT AMAZES TO YOU, MARK. WHEN WE'RE ULTIMATELY NOT TASKED WITH.

FORMING AN OPINION OR MAKING MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL. WE'RE GOING TO CREATE.

ONLINE SURVEY THAT WILL DO THAT WILL THAT WILL CREATE A RESULT. IN A VERY UNSCIENTIFIC, EASILY MANIPULATED. AND PROBABLY. YOU'RE PRETTY IN A WAY THAT'S GOING TO STILL THIS BOY. I JUST I THINK IT IS A. THINK IT CREATES A OPPORTUNITY. FOR EVERY THROUGH OUR STATED PURPOSE, AND IT SAYS THAT WE ARE PERFORMING EXPERT RESEARCH WERE. USING THOROUGH AND BALANCE RESEARCH AND OPTIONS REGARDING THE STATUE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT AN UNSCIENTIFIC SURVEY ONLINE DOES ANY OF THAT. I THINK IT DOES A BETTER JOB. GIVEN US AN INDICATION OF WHO OUR CITY REACHES THROUGH. OH FROM MEDIA THAN WHAT OUR CITY THINKS. SO I'M AGAINST THE ONLINE SURVEY. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE. WELL, THAT'S JUST TOO ENGAGED.

PUBLIC COMMENT. PEOPLE HAVE TO COUNCIL MEETINGS. GIVE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT. I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE. THEY ARE. WELCOME, TO EMAIL AND MAKE THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL. BUT TO CREATE A SURVEY WITH THIS YES OR NO TYPE OF RESPONSE, I THINK FILLS A VOID THAT WE'RE LEAVING ON THIS. DOES IT IN A WAY THAT IS. DOESN'T MATCH OUR STATE GROUP SUGGESTED THAT I WAS IMPORTANT TO GET EVERYONE ON RECORD. START WITH ME, YOU KNOW, JUST SO OUR WATER HEARD ALSO. YOUR MOTION TO CHANGE THE TIME OR MOTION TO WEEK WE SET OUR NEXT MEETING AT. 4 30 IN THE AFTERNOON OF SEPTEMBER, 7TH. OKAY, MR SECOND. HER FAVOR. YOU DISCUSSED, ACTUALLY CAN'T

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YES, WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME WE SAID SURE. AMENDED. IT HAS TO END AT THAT TIME, BUT WE AT LEAST GO THROUGH. SEVEN OR 7 30 OR SOMETHING. SO THAT WAY IF WE SHOW UP FOR 30, AND THERE ARE FIVE PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW GERMANY JUDGES YOUR EMOTIONS. SO YOU MINUS ITS AMENDED WITH IN TIME. OIL. MATERIAL IS NO LONGER MY EMOTION, BUT. YOU BELONG TO. IT ONLY BELONGS TO THE BODY. BUT I WILL. RESTATE MY MOTION. IF YOU GO FROM 4 37 30. THE. THEY HAVE EXPECTED EXTENDED EXTENDING IT. ON THE DAY OF. SECOND, OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, TRYING. LET'S HAVE IT IN THE OPPOSED ONE OF POLES. IN PARIS. HEY, LADIES GERMAN THINK WE'RE OUT OF TIME FOR ME. GIVE ME 20. YOU WANT KIDS? WE HAVE LOVE. FEEL THE NEED ENOUGH TIME TO STATE THEIR POINT POSITION.

[BOARD & MANAGER COMMENTS]

YOU TAKE IT. WHATEVER THEY THINK THEY NEED TO SAY TO YOU. HOPEFULLY. I'D LIKE TO GO OFF BUT JUST SAID I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SURVEY. I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REACH A LOT OF DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE. AND. I'M A RESIDENT OF THIS CITY, INDICATING IT'S BEEN BROUGHT OUT TO STATE THEIR NAME OUTSIDE THINK THAT NATURE, BUT I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD CONSIDER THAT MCKINNEY IS THE COUNTY SEE. AND SO CALLING COUNTY BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE IN MCKINNEY. I THINK PART OF YOUR COUNTY. THEIR VOICES SHOULD BE HEARD, TOO, WHICH I KNOW PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANYBODY CAN COME IN AND SAY WHAT I THINK. I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN TO THE COUNTY AT LEAST BECAUSE THEY ARE A PART OF THE COUNTY. AND ULTIMATELY, THE COUNTY USED TO USED TO BE THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE. SO, UH, I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT I AGREE WITH DRINKS TONIGHT, AND I'VE LIVED IN THE CHATTY 75. 73 ANYONE ELSE HAVE THE CLOTHES AND COMMON BEFORE? OKAY? YOU KNOW WHAT, ELSE HAS SHE GOT TO SAY? DIDN'T MEET THE GERMAN WAY. NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN CEREMONY. SO MOVE MOVE WITH THE SECOND ON THE FATAL REAL QUICK. SO

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