Sep 17, 2020 Throckmorton Statue Ad Hoc Advisory Board

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CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER. AND WE WILL GET STARTED AS WE ONLY DEAL WITH OPENING HERE.

COURTSHIPS COMPRESSOR. GRACIOUS, THE MERCIFUL GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THANKING YOU FOR. THE BLESSING US TO SEE A DAY THAT WAS NOT PROMISED TO US. THANK YOU. DON'T GO OUT THAT YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY SHINES UPON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US AND THAT IT SHINES UPON THIS CITY. THANK YOU. GOD FOR GIVING US A SEAM THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DISCUSS. JUST ACTUALLY JUST VIEW AND. COME TOGETHER TO GO ON ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE HORN AND ALL MY MIND AND THAT WE MIGHT COME TOGETHER WITH A PEACEFUL RESOLVED REGARDED THIS CITY MAY CONTINUE IN PEACE AND IN HARMONY. AS IT HAS FOR YEARS. SO FAR, ALL THOSE THAT HAVE TOGETHER HERE TODAY. THE PURPOSE TO GOD JUST COME INTO A RESOLUTION. IT MIGHT BE BROUGHT FORTH TO THE LEADERS OF THIS CITY. THIS WE ASK IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. MR. MARK, WILL YOU LET US THINK. LEGION'S PLAN. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. PROBABLY. OUR FIRST ITEM IS

[Consider/Discuss on Statement of Purpose Review and Meeting Intro]

HAVE A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY AS WELL. SO AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION, WE WILL SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT SOME POSSIBLE OTHER MCKINNEY MONUMENTS, STATUES, ARTIFACTS OR SITES THAT MAY WARRANT ADDITIONAL REVIEW. AND PENDING AVAILABLE TIME. WE'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME A LITTLE BIT OF CONVERSATIONAL TIME TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS FOR THE ADVISORY BOARD AT WORK SESSION ON TUESDAY, THE COUNCIL GAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FOR THE ADVISORY BOARD, BASED ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU ALL HAD AT MEETING TOO. AND IT'S GOING TO GIVE THE ADVISORY BOARD SOME MORE OPPORTUNITY TOW AWAY IN MORE FORMALLY BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU'RE RECEIVING, AND ALSO YOUR POSITION ON THE STATUE ITSELF, SO WE HAVE SOME GREAT IDEAS FOR THAT, AND PENDING TIME. WE'LL DIVE INTO THAT TODAY. IF THERE IS NOT TIME WE CAN SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND AGREEING TO SERVE ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT BOARD. AND WITH THAT THAT WAS MY INTRODUCTION. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. MARK. SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS 20-8 11,

[Consider/Discuss/Act on the Minutes of the Throckmorton Statue Ad Hoc Advisory Board Meeting of September 2, 2020]

HAVE IT. THANK YOU. SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS 20-812 CONDUCTING PUBLIC COMMENTS SESSION FOR

[Conduct a Public Comments Session for Input Regarding the Options for the Location of the Throckmorton Statue]

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YOU WILL NOT BE ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS. THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY COMMENT, DIRECTED TO ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, SO WE'LL KIND OF BE POLICING THAT AS WELL. UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO LOG IN ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE. AS THEY COME IN, AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH FILM AFTER THE MEETING. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL NEED TO DO AFTER I FINISHED WITH KIND OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE IS ESTABLISH A PER SPEAKER TIME LIMIT. SO THE PUBLIC THAT TIME IS THEIRS TO USE. HOWEVER LONG I'LL DECIDE TO DO IT AGAIN KIND OF THE STANDARD FOR COUNSEL IS THREE MINUTES. WE HAD TALKED LAST MEETING, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE COME TO SHOW UP AND SPEAK. PUTTING THAT DOWN TO ONE MINUTE. BUT AGAIN, I'LL OPEN THAT UP IN JUST A SECOND. WHAT YOU'LL DISCUSS THAT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SET THAT TIME AND THEN HAVE THAT BE THE TIME FOR THE REST OF THE CITIZEN COMMENT. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS. WE HAVE ABOUT 15 20 CITIZEN SIGNED UP RIGHT NOW. A LITTLE UNDER 15 ASSISTANT SIGNED UP. SO WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO SUE YOU AND TAKE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. IF WE SEE THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE SPEAKERS, WHAT WILL THEN DO IS GO TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. START THAT DISCUSSION. WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE CITIZEN. MAYBE A STACK OF MAYBE 10. MORE PEOPLE WAITING WILL COME TO A GOOD STOPPING PLACE IN THE NEXT AGENDA. IDLE STOP, HAVE THEM COMMENT AND KIND OF DO THAT UNTIL WE CYCLED THROUGH EVERYBODY. UNTIL 7 30, WHICH IS KIND OF THE TIME LIMIT THAT WE HAD SET THE LAST MEETING FOR US, TOO, AND NO EARLIER THAN WE SAW PEOPLE HERE AT 7 30 THAT WANT TO TALK. WILL BE PASSED 7 30. WHICH KIND OF WINE DID YOU KNOW? PUT THAT IN YOUR BRAIN OF HOW WE'RE GONNA MAYBE KIND OF CONDUCT THAT HEARING, SO WE GET SOME OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS OUT, BUT THEN ALSO OBVIOUSLY LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT SINCE THAT'S THE MAIN PART POINT OF THIS MEETING. FOR THE CITIZENS THAT AIR HERE WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU PUT THAT ON YOUR COMIC MARTA'S WELL, WE WILL PUT A SLIDE APPEARS WELL. LISTEN, THE OPTIONS FOR THE STATUE HAS SHOWN JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, AND TO BE NICE TO YOU ALL. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE OFF YOUR MASK BECAUSE NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU WHENEVER YOU HAVE YOUR MASK ON. SO AT THIS TIME OR ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ABOUT ANY OF WHAT I JUST WENT. YES. UH, MR MOORE, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. YOU SAID THAT THESIS. IT'S GONNA ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU, MS KIM. WITH YOUR RESPONSE BE INCLUDED IN THEIR TIME. THAT'S A LOT OF THEM, OR I THINK YOU ALSO MENTIONED THEY FOLLOW UP. MAYBE AFTER THE MEETING. YEAH. WHAT WE WOULD PREFER IS THAT WE'LL JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THEM AFTER THE MEETING IS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ANSWER QUICKLY, WE'LL TRY TO DO THAT DEER AND THAT DEER IN THE MEETING, BUT. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITIZEN DIRECTLY AFTER.

BUT IT WILL NOT GET INTO THEIR TIME. OKAY? SO I THINK THIS TIME I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF IT'S OKAY WITH MR JUST CHAIR JUST GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSS. WHAT THE TIME WHEN IT SHOULD BE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THREE MINUTES DOWN TO ONE MINUTE, JUST LAY ALL THIS GUYS.

FRUITS OF MY PERSON IN THREE JUST ADOPT THE CITY COUNCIL. NORMAL NORMAL. I AGREE. OKAY? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA ADOPT THE CITY COUNCIL'S NORMS FORCED TIME LIMITS FOR THREE MINUTES. YES, PERFECT. THEY NEED TO VOTE ANYTHING ON THAT. HE FEELS LIKE A BIT EMOTIONAL.

LET'S MAKE IT OFFICIAL. SECOND MR KENNETH ALL HER FAVOR. UH, EYES HAVE IT. I WILL START WITH THE FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER THEN.

HEY JUDGE I LIVE IN THREE OR FOUR EAST WALKER STREET MCKINNEY. I'VE VIRTUALLY BEEN A LIFELONG MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND I'M HONORED TO SPEAK TO YOU. I DON'T KNOW. IN THREE MINUTES IF YOU COULD SAY EVERYTHING AND NEED TO BE SAID, BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING OUT THERE IN THE HALLWAY. YOU HAVE THE BEST THING GOING. DO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BOOKLET SAYS PRESERVE HISTORIC MCKINNEY. BOB LEE. WE NEED TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORY FROM NUMEROUS REASONS.

FIRST OF ALL, TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE CHILDREN KNOW WHAT ISTHE SECONDLY, SO THAT WE MAY MEAN MAYBE WE DON'T REPEAT IT. IF THE THINGS ABOUT OUR HISTORY THAT ARE OF CONCERN TO US, MANY OF US NOW MAURA DRESSED AND TUNED INTO IT BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT IT. I WANT TO

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SUGGESTED THAT THE MEN FROM THE SOUTH THEY ALL DIED IN THESE HORRIBLE DEATHS. BUT THEY DIED IN A NOBLE FIGHT FOR SOMETHING THEY FELT STRONGLY ABOUT. AND THEY WERE HONORABLE MAN, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT. THE MEN FROM THE SOUTH TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT AT THE END OF THE WAR HAVE ACTOR MATHEMATICS, IT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD THING THAT WE WERE ONE NATION. UNDER GOD, AND WE WERE ONE NATION GOING FORWARD, LOOKING FORWARD. SO THE GREAT COMPROMISE CAME INTO EFFECT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MCKINNEY NEEDS TO LOOK FORWARD. I REMEMBER WHEN MY FATHER WAS FIRST CAME IN, AND MCKINNEY HAS MANAGED THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THE LATE FORTIES, HE WENT TO A MAN NAMED GEORGE WEBB AND ASKED WHAT COULD BE NAMED THESE CREEKS, SO WE GET TO KNOW MCKINNEY BETTER. I REMEMBER WHEN MARSHALLTOWN I WHAT PEOPLE WANTED TO COME IN ALL START.

FISHER GOVERNOR THERE STARTED THINKING WE WILL THESE GAS I'IL COME INTO MCKINNEY. I'M GLAD THEY DID BECAUSE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE MR COUGHLIN BECAME MAYOR'S MCKINNEY. CARMEN WHEN PRIMO MICROPHONE WANTED TO COME AND OPENED UP IN MY DAD ANOTHER DEFAULT IN WORLD WAR TWO AND THEY SENT DAD SAID WHY YOU WON'T TALK TO MARTIN TOMORROW? MY DAD SAID YES. AND THEY REMEMBER THEY CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE THEY ALL ABOUT IN. LEAD. PRIMO MICROPHONE. CAINE MCKINNEY, WE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD. THE PAST IS SOMETHING THAT WILL REMEMBER THE PAST IS SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED TO REPEAT. THE PAST IS SOMETHING WE WILL ALL LEARN FROM BUT IS A CITY AND AS A PEOPLE WE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD. I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH ONE OF THE THOUGHT. 21 DAYS AGO ACTUALLY DROPPED A GUN AND SHOT MYSELF IN THE LEG AND I WAS I WAS LAYING ON THE GROUND AS IT IS LAYING THERE IN THE HOSPITAL WITH A BULLET THIS CLOSE TO MY THERMAL ARTERY. I HAD A VISION OF THE FUTURE, AND I WONDERED HOW LONG IT WAS GOING TO BE. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE ANY MORE OF MY TIME TRYING TO CHANGE ANYBODY'S MIND ABOUT THEIR FUTURE. ALL I KNOW IS I HAVE ONE AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN MCKINNEY. NEXT. I WANT US TO LOOK FORWARD. NOT BACKWARDS. I WANT TO PRESERVE HISTORIC MCKINNEY. I WANT EVERYTHING TO BE WHERE IT WAS WHEN I GREW UP AND REMAIN TO BE THERE, SO MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN GOD BLESS YOU AND GOD BLESS AMERICA. THANK YOU.

I'M SAM HOCKADAY. I LIVE 34 1 ACTUALLY IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS. I MAY NOT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 70 YEARS, BUT I'VE LIVED HERE MORE THAN JUST A FEW WEEKS. MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE IN AUGUST OF 1986 34 YEARS AGO. IN FACT, ON OUR FIRST HOUSE, WE HAD A PARTY LINE FOR EIGHT MONTHS. AND HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? BY SHOW OF HANDS WHO IN THIS CHAMBER LIVED IN THE 19TH CENTURY. DOING THIS HALL WAS PRESIDENT. THE THROCKMORTON MEMORIAL DEDICATION. WHO ARE WE TO IMPOSE A FORM OF RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION ON 1/19 CENTURY HISTORICAL FIGURE? NONE OF US HAVE ANY FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE OF. BY SHOW OF HANDS, WHO HAS RED CAUGHT ELLIOT'S LEATHER COAT LIFE OF JAMES THROCKMORTON PUBLISHED IN 1938. WHO IS IT? CONVERSE PERSONALLY WITH PROFESSOR KENNETH DALBY. HOW IT BLING COLLEGE AND BRYAN, TEXAS. I HAVE. WHO'S READ DR HOUSE DIS DOCTORAL DISSERTATION. JAMES WEBB, THROCKMORTON. THE LIFE AND CAREER OF A SOUTHERN FRONT TO YOUR POLITICIAN PUBLISHED IN 2005. I HAVE. IF YOU TAKE TIME TO ACTUALLY READ IT, YOU'D FIND THE MR THROCKMORTON. THE HISTORICAL AND POLITICAL GIANT WAS NOT INFALLIBLE. THE STATUE MAKES NO REFERENCE TO THROCKMORTON SERVICE IN THE CONFEDERATE MILITARY. IN FACT, HIS SERVICE WAS RATHER LACKLUSTER. MOST OF IT WAS IN WESTERN TEXAS AND AS AN INDIAN AGENT. NEVERTHELESS HE WAS A UNIONISTS AND DID VOTE AGAINST SUCCESSION. HE SERVED FIVE TIMES IN THE U. S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO COLLIN COUNTY AND AT LEAST IN PART FOR BRINGING THE RAILROAD TO NORTH TEXAS DURING RECONSTRUCTION. HE DID NOT FAVOR FRIEDMAN'S VOTING RIGHTS, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WHITES AT THE SAME TIME. WE'RE ALSO DISENFRANCHISES RESULT OF THEIR AFFILIATION WITH CONFEDERACY HE SUPPORTED ENFRANCHISEMENT FOR ALL TEXANS. BY TODAY'S STANDARDS, WHICH IS UNFAIR TO JUDGE HISTORICAL FIGURES TO CALL THROCKMORTON RACIST REALLY IS A MODERN JUDGMENT AND TELLS US NOTHING ABOUT HIM. THROCKMORTON WAS A PRODUCT OF HIS TIMES, UPHOLDING VALUES AND MORALS THAT WERE CONSIDERED MAINSTREAM IN THE 19TH CENTURY. I SEE NO REASON.

TO REMOVE A STATUE. HOWEVER, IF WE'RE GOING TO GEORGE T JUDGE HISTORICAL FIGURES AS OFFENSIVE

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND SAMSON TO 27 MACARONS PLACE MCKINNEY. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR 22 YEARS. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE THE ADVISORY COUNCIL.

ABOUT THE THROCKMORTON STATUE. I HEARD A LOT OF DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS LISTENING TO THE ONLINE ADVISORY MEETINGS AND IN RESPONSE, I WISH TO SUPPORT KEEPING THE STATUE AND PUTTING A PLAQUE UNDERNEATH. EXPLAINING THAT. MR THROCKMORTON WAS A SOUTHERN DEMOCRAT WHO SUPPORTED THE SOUTH. ALONG WITH ANY OTHER PERTINENT INFORMATION. BUT THE THING IS, I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO REALIZE THAT THE HISTORY OF ANY NATION MUST INCLUDE THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY. WHETHER OR NOT JAMES THROCKMORTON WAS PERFECT OR NOT, IS NOT THE ISSUE. NOT MANY OF OUR LEADERS AND OUR GREAT ACHIEVERS WERE NOR ARE WE. THE ISSUE IS PRESERVING THE HISTORY OF OUR NATION AGAINST THOSE WHO WISH TO ERASE IT. THE REMOVAL OF OUR HISTORY IN WHATEVER CAPACITY, REMOVING STATUES OR ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT AN OPTION FOR A FREE AND CONSTITUTION LOVING PEOPLE. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT ONE OF THE ADVISORY MEMBERS FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY MENTIONED SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALSO ACHIEVERS IN MCKINNEY, AND WERE NEVER TRULY RECOGNISED. CHARLIE HUBBERT, JAKE CHAMBERLAIN, EDWARD DODIE LEONARD HAPPENS IF I GOT THAT, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF HIM. EITHER. IN ADDITION TO OR IN PLACE OF LET'S HAVE STATUES OF THEM AND THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THEM BEFORE, AND THEY'RE FINE MCKINNEY ACHIEVERS OF THE PAST. FINALLY, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RECOMMEND PUTTING THIS ISSUE TO A VOTE BY THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY. LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE.

IT'S OUR CITY, TOO, AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE A VITAL PART OF THIS DECISION. THANK YOU. DOWN.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. HELLO. I'M DANA BERNAL. I'M A 15 YEAR RESIDENT OF MCKINNEY. I MYSELF HAVE SERVED ON SEVERAL COMMITTEES. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR US. UH, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE THROCKMORTON STATUE. REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE TO THE WHOLE THING, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IS THE SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT OF OUR CITY. SAYS THIS IS HISTORIC MCKINNEY. HISTORIC MCKINNEY. IT'S PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE NEED TO KEEP OUR BEAUTY. KEEP OUR NATURE. RIGHT. THAT'S PART OF OUR LOGO. KEEP OUR NATURE. AND KEEP OUR HISTORY AND OUR STATUE. LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THROCKMORTON. I'VE HEARD SOME OTHER PEOPLE MENTION HIM. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT. HE WAS A ESTABLISHED DOCTOR AND A LAWYER. HE WAS A POLITICIAN AND A GOVERNOR. I MEAN, HE GAVE HIS ALL FOR MCKINNEY. SOMEONE MENTIONED HE WAS ONE OF 10 MEMBERS. IN THIS AREA WHO VOTED TO STAY INSIDE OF THE UNION, SO HE WAS NOT A HARDLINE SOUTHERN. UH. DEMOCRAT, BUT HE WANTED TO STAY IN THE UNION. HE THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST THING FOR TEXAS. ANYWAY, SO WE CONTINUE TO HEAR ABOUT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE STATUES ARE RACIST. AND HOW THEY'RE HURTFUL. HISTORY CANNOT BE HURTFUL. HISTORY IS SOMETHING WE'RE HERE TO LEARN FROM. AND LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE SAID NOT REPEAT. NOW, LET'S LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HERE REAL QUICK. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN SOME OTHER CITIES, SOME OF THESE. PORTLAND, SEATTLE, LOS ANGELES.

PARING DOWN STATUES. DID THAT REALLY FIX ANY OF THE ANGRY NOUS THAT'S GOING ON OVER

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HI. MY NAME IS FRED REGAL. I'M 72 YEARS OLD, AND MY ADDRESS IS 713 CRYSTAL WOULD DRIVE KENNY, TEXAS. 72 YEARS OLD, THIS FIRST TIME I EVER EVER ADDRESSED TO CITY COUNCIL.

14 YEARS AGO. THREE GENERATIONS MY FAMILY. MADE THE CHOICE TO MOVED TO MCKINNEY, TEXAS. WE VALUE THE TRADITIONS, THE CULTURE AND THE COMMUNITY. THERE WE FOUND HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY DISCUSSED THIS TOPIC TAKING DOWN STATE STATUE AND REWRITING HISTORY, NO MATTER WHAT. THE HISTORY IS WRONG. WE SHOULD LEARN FROM HISTORY, NOT DESTROY REWRITING HISTORY, WHETHER IT BE DESTROYING STATUES, RENAMING SCHOOLS OR STREETS OR PARKS ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING EXCEPT BOWING DOWN TO PEOPLE WHO WANT WHO WANT TO CHANGE OUR HERITAGE. BIG UNDERPANTS. HOW FAR DOES THIS PIECE GO AGAIN? WE SHOULD LEARN FROM OUR HAIR TEACH. NOT DESTROY IT. OUR POLITICIANS HAVE TAKEN A KNEE JERK REACTION FROM A SMALL VOCAL PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION THAT CONTINUES TO TRY TO DIVIDE OUR CITY, OUR STATE AND OUR NATION. THE VERY LEAST IT SHOULD BE DONE REGARDING THIS STATUE IN ANY OTHER STATUE OR SCHOOL OR NAME CHANGE OF ANY PARK OR ANY GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD BE VOTED ON BY THE CITIZENS. LUPE. FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES, SCHOOLS BUILDINGS. NOT POLITICIANS JUST MAKING UP THEIR OWN MIND. IN MY OPINION, THIS ADVISORY COUNCIL. IS A CURTAIN MADE UP TO ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO HIDE BEHIND. I JUST WONDER THAT IF HENRY FORD'S GRANDFATHER HAD HELD SLAVES OR BEEN IN THE CIVIL WAR, I WONDER IF HE'S HISTORY CHANGERS WOULD DEMAND THE FORD LOGO TAKE IT OFF OF EVERY VEHICLE THAT HAS EVER BEEN MANUFACTURED. BY THAT COMPANY. WE WILL RE RE WHITEY RE WRITING HISTORY, DESTROYING THE FAMILY UNIT. UTILIZING THE EDUCATION SYSTEM TO INDOCTRINATE OUR CHILDREN. CHIEF MEANING AND CHANGING OUR HOLIDAYS AND CULTURAL CULTURAL VALUES ARE ALL SIGNS THAT WE NEED TO RECLAIM THE VALUES THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY OUR FOUNDERS. THE STATUES SHOULD STAY IN. PLACE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CANDY OR IN 39 WEST, YOU, DR KINNEY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TAMMY WARNER BEEN A RESIDENT OF MCKINNEY FOR OVER 21 YEARS. FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

BUT BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE, I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE FIRST MEETING AND I WATCHED A SECOND MEETING ONLINE AND I'M PROUD TO KNOW THAT I LIVE IN A TOWN THAT IS TRULY UNIQUE BY NATURE. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL AND WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY. TODAY WE CAN TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY WHAT FITS FOR MCKINNEY. TO SOME, THE STATUE IS DIVISIVE AND UNWORTHY OF BEING ALLOWED TO REMAIN IN PUBLIC VIEW TO OTHERS, AS SIMPLY REPRESENTS A MEMORIAL TO ONE OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS. YOUR TASK WAS TO DO THE RESEARCH AND EDUCATE US. SO WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED? FIRST OF ALL, WE LEARNED THAT THE THROCKMORTON STATUE IS NOT A CONFEDERATE MONUMENT. I BELIEVE THE EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR ON THAT, ALTHOUGH SOME LOCAL MEMBERS OF THE UNITED DAUGHTERS OF THE CONFEDERACY MAY HAVE HELPED RAISE FUNDS FOR IT. MORE ON THAT LATER, WE LEARNED ABOUT JAMES W THROUGHT MORN. AND WHAT AN AMAZING MAN HE WASS HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO MCKINNEY AND COLLIN COUNTY CANNOT BE OVERSTATED. THE MOST INTERESTING THING I LEARNED WAS THAT HE BROUGHT THE RAILROAD HERE AND THAT IS HUGE. IF YOU

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MY NAME IS JOS GRECO, TWO OF SEVEN. EAST LAMAR MCKINNEY, TEXAS. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT RESPECT AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE RESPECTED. THE REASON WE HAVE A GREAT COUNTRY.

THE REASON WE HAVE GREAT FAMILIES, THE REASON WE HAVE GREAT FRIENDSHIPS. ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE ONE THING IN ITS RESPECT, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, IT'S NOT GREAT. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT FROM OUR PERSONAL LIVES AND WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY GREAT. IS THAT WE HAVE RESPECT FOR OUR ELDERS. JUSTUS, YOU'RE SITTING HERE TODAY YOU HAVE CHILDREN. YOU WILL HAVE CHILDREN AND THEY WILL HAVE CHILDREN. THINK THAT ALL YOU'VE LEARNED IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE SO THAT YOU COULD MAKE DECISIONS. EVERY BIT OF EFFORT YOU PUT IN REDBOOK STUDYING YOURSELF GOING. TEACHER'S DOING THE RIGHT THINGS, NOT MAKING THOSE SUBPAR DECISIONS SO THAT YOU COULD BE RESPECTED BY THOSE THAT CAME AFTER YOU. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR. AND THE THING ABOUT IT. IS THIS. THINK ABOUT THANKSGIVING.

IF YOU ALLOWED YOUR GRANDCHILD TO COME OVER, AND JUDGE GRANDPA THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS. GRAND KIDS DON'T GET TO JUDGE GRANDPA OR A GRANDMA ABOUT ANYTHING THEY DID OR HAVE. GRANDMA AND GRANDPA LIVE THEIR LIFE IN THEIR TIME AND DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO, AND THEY LEARN AND THEY LEARNED AS GOOD AS THEY COULD. AND YOU DON'T GET TO JUDGE AND WHEN YOU'RE THE KID.

THAT'S THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG. THAT IS A RIDICULOUS WAY TO LIVE. IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS TO EVEN THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIVE LIKE THIS. YOU WOULDN'T LIVE LIKE THAT.

NOBODY LIVES LIKE THAT. AND TO THINK NOW. AMERICANS TAXES THAT PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE LIVED. IN TEXAS BEFORE AIR CONDITIONING. AND DID WHAT THEY DID. AND IF THEY GOT TOGETHER, AND THEY SAID, HEY, GRANDPA, SO COOL. WE'RE GONNA BUILD A STATUE OF HIM. NOW YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? NOBODY BUILT A STATUE OF YOU. THINK ABOUT A MAN THAT EVERYBODY BUILT A STATUE FOR. NOW THINK ABOUT GRANDKIDS COMING IN LATER GOING WELL, I'M GOING TO JUDGE THAT AND WHEN I JUDGE IT, I'M GOING TO GET RID OF IT. THAT IS NOT. RESPECTING YOUR ELDERS. IT'S NO WAY TO LIVE. IT WILL NEVER BE A WAITER. YOU CANNOT MAKE A SOCIETY BASED ON CHILDREN. AND PEOPLE WHO AREN'T THERE, JUDGING THEIR ELDERS. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT? THIS IS NOT ABOUT THROCKMORTON. THIS IS ABOUT ONE BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE. YOU DO NOT GET TO JUDGE YOUR ELDERS IF THEY THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH PUTTING STATUE UP. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT.

THE JUDGE THAT YOU HAVE THE POWER. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT? ANY MORE THAN YOUR GRAND KIDS WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE YOU. AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T TOUCH THAT STATUE. THANK YOU.

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BEFORE I TELL YOU HOW I FEEL. I WANT TO SAY A FEW OTHER THINGS. I WANT TO THANK MR MATT FOR TALKING LAST TIME ABOUT THE WHITES ONLY SIGN AT THE MCKINNEY. AND I WANT TO THANK MR LARRY FOR TELLING ME WHY IT'S STILL THERE. I WILL TELL YOU. I GO TO THAT. MCKINNEY PERFORMING ARTS ALL TIME AND THE FIRST TIME I WAS THERE. I WAS SHOCKED. I THOUGHT FINE, MOVED TO I WAS IN BALLAST. SO BEFORE I TELL YOU HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE STATUE I WANT YOU ALL TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED. PUTTING A PLAQUE BY THERE SO PEOPLE CAN READ. WHY IS IT STILL HERE? HELP THE GOOD THE BAD THE UGLY RIGHT NOW. I DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE STATUTE. BUT I WON'T GO INTO THE REASONS WHY, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT AFTER NEITHER THE CITY COUNCIL. ARE YOU? I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T MAKE DECISIONS, THE CITY COUNCIL OR IF THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDES TO HAVE AN ELECTION. ONE SIDE IS GOING TO LOSE AND ONE SIDE IS GOING TO WIN. AND I HOPE. YET BOTH SIDES WILL THE LOSER. WHOEVER IT IS. DOZEN. KEEP IT STIRRED UP, TRY TO GET THE CITY COUNCIL TOW. LOOK AT IT AGAIN, OR TO ENCOURAGE THEIR FRIENDS TO BRING GUNS OUTSIDE CITY HALL. SO I HOPE THAT WHATEVER DECISION DET. WHOEVER IS ON THE WINNING SIDE. WILL BE RESPECTFUL. I UNDERSTAND HOW THE OTHERS FEEL. AND THAT THOSE ON THE LOSING SIDE IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT WAY, WILL. ACCEPTED AND WE MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU. YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CHRIS TINMAN. I LIVE AT 22 08. CHERRY HILL LANE. I'VE BEEN A CITIZEN OF MCKINNEY FOR SEVEN YEARS. AND I LOVE MY CITY. AND IT'S CLEAR THAT EVERYONE HERE DOES TOO. I WATCHED THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, SO I UNDERSTAND. WHAT EACH OF YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THIS ON THIS MATTER. MANY OF YOU ADMITTED THAT YOU DID NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THOUGHT MORTEN WASS. BEFORE THIS PROCESS. AND I WAS ONE OF THEM. I HAVE TO ADMIT, I'M I'M NOT A HISTORIAN. I DIDN'T READ THOSE BOOKS. I DIDN'T TALK TO ME. OFFICERS, BUT I DID DO MY RESEARCH AND I DID NOT GET THAT INFORMATION OFF OF THE STATUE. IT'S NOWHERE ON THE PLAQUE. SO THAT STATUE IS NOT. SERVING ANY KIND OF HISTORICAL PURPOSE FOR ME. WE ALL KNOW THAT HE STAUNCHLY OPPOSE THE 14TH AMENDMENT. GIVING ALL PEOPLE BORN IN THE UNITED STATES. THE RIGHT TO CITIZENSHIP, INCLUDING SNEED'S. IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT HE WAS A RACIST. IN THIS TIME, MAYBE BEING A RACIST WAS ACCEPTABLE. BUT TODAY IN 2020 IT'S HERE.

IT'S THE RISK. REPREHENSIBLE. IN OUR IF OUR DEAR CITY PRIDES ITSELF ON BEING DIVERSE. IN WELCOMING TO ALL PEOPLE, NO MATTER RACE, COLOR OR CREED. THEN I BELIEVE THOSE WHO WE CHOOSE TO HONOR TO GLORIFY TO DIGNIFY. SHOULD SHOULD REFLECT THOSE BELIEFS. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED IN THE CENTER OF OUR DOWNTOWN. ON GROUNDS. OF WHAT? WAS ONCE FOR A COURTHOUSE. I'M IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE STATUE. AND MOVING IT TO A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE,

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THERE NOW. FIRST PLACE. I'M PROUD TO BE A CITIZEN OF MCKINNEY. AND HERE'S SOME 35 YEARS. I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS PERSONALLY. A GREAT TIME LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUE GROWING. FIRST THING. I GUESS I DO NOT WANT TO STATUE GOVERNMENT, THROCKMORTON REMOVED THE REASON FOR IT. WE CONTRIBUTE TREMENDOUSLY THROUGH THE GROWTH OF TEXAS. ALL THREE OF HIS TERM THAT HE WAS THERE HE DIED. WHAT 69 YEARS OLD. STARTED AS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT IS TEXAS RANGER. THEN WHAT HE DID. HE'S ASSISTANT SURGEON, AN ATTORNEY. LOW ENOUGH TO BE, THE ATTORNEY SAID. THEY'RE. LATER TO CONGRESSMAN OF THE 3RD AND 5TH DISTRICT. IT'S CALLED ACCOMPLISHMENT. THEY BECAME GOVERNOR. TWICE THE STATE OF TEXAS Y'ALL HER DESK. I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD REASON FOR HIM TO BE ENSHRINED IN THAT STATUE. I DON'T WANT REMOVED. HE NEEDS TO STAY HERE. GOD BLESS TEXAS. GOD BLESS MCKINNEY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS TOM TERRA LIVE IN 77, A ONE L CREEK LANE AND MCKINNEY. WE MOVED HERE ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO ACTUALLY, 20 YEARS AGO, AND WE HAD A CHOICE OF A LOT OF CITIES TO CHOOSE FROM. OUR REALTOR TOOK US IN VARIOUS CITIES. WE CHOSE MCCAIN E FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, ONE OF WHICH WAS ITS LOVE OF ITS HISTORY. AND THE WAY IT DISPLAYS ITS HISTORY. YOU CAN LIE ABOUT HISTORY, BUT YOU CAN'T CHANGE. IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S ALREADY BEEN SO GOOD BAD. IN DIFFERENT IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND TO PUT UP STATUES OF PEOPLE WHO DID SO MUCH. FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR MCKINNEY FOR COLLIN COUNTY HAS THE THROUGHOUT MORTON STAND YOU I THINK IS ONLY APPROPRIATE. I FIND NO REASON TO LOOK AT IS BEING OFFENSIVE IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY. SO I DEFINITELY AND SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE STATUE WHERE IT IS. RATHER THAN TRYING TO HIDE IT SOMEWHERE AND HOPE NOBODY EVER REALLY SEES IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I LOVE LUCY A 44 90 EL DORADO PARKWAY. JAMES THROCKMORTON WAS A COMPLEX FIGURE AND SUCH AS THE NATURE OF BEING HUMAN AND A PRODUCT OF ONE'S PLACE IN TIME.

BUT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS STATUE IS PUBLIC PROPERTY.

UNLIKE FOUR CARS, IF YOU DON'T LIKE HENRY FORD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY HIS CAR. IF YOU LIVE IN MCKINNEY, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. YOU HAVE NO FREEDOM TO DECLINED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE UPKEEP OF THIS STATURE THAT OMITS SOME VERY IMPORTANT TRUTHS. I AM PLEASED TO CONTRIBUTE MY TAX MONEY TOWARD THE COSTS OF MOVING THE STATUE TO A PLACE WHERE THROCKMORTON CAN BE REMEMBERED AND CELEBRATED FOR THE GOOD THAT HE DID DO A PLACE LIKE HIS GRAVESIDE. THE CONGRESS CEMETERY. YOUR TAX DOLLARS SHOULD NOT GO TOWARD THE CONTINUED MAINTENANCE OF THE LAST AND FINAL STATUE OF A CONFEDERATE IN THE D F W METRO AREA. THINK ABOUT THAT. WE ARE THE LAST CORNER OF THE METRO WHO REFUSES TO SEE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE CAN SEE THAT FACT SHOULD BE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THIS CITY. NOT TO MENTION WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT IS A LIABILITY TO ANY COMPANY CONSIDERING HEADQUARTERS IN MCKINNEY. FOR THE LAST ONE IN THE D F W METRO AREA. JAMES THROCKMORTON WAS UNQUESTIONABLY MORE THAN JUST A CONFEDERATE GENERAL AND A ROADBLOCK TO EQUAL RIGHTS FOR BLACK TEXANS. BUT HE WAS NOT LESS AND IT IS FOR THOSE REASONS THAT I WISH TO REGISTER MY SUPPORT. CAN WE PLEASE MOVE THE THROCKMORTON STATUE OFTHE PUBLIC PROPERTY AND ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY TO HIS GRAVESITE AND TO

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THAT'S WHERE. THE COMPROMISE THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT COMES INTO PLAY. YOU KNOW, HISTORY BELONGS IN MUSEUMS, OR WE COULD MOVE IT TO HIS GRAVE SITE AND PECAN GROVE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY TO REMEMBER THE HISTORY. YOU KNOW THE REVISIONIST HISTORY? I'VE HEARD SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW HE WAS REMOVED AS GOVERNOR FOR NOT UPHOLDING THE 14TH AMENDMENT. SO YES, THAT'S TWO. THAT'S THAT WAS THEN AND HE WAS REMOVED. SO YOU DON'T GO TO GERMANY AND SEE A STATUE OF HITLER OR HIS OFFICERS IN HIS ARMY? WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE CONTINUE TO. HAVE THAT GLORIFIED HISTORY WHEN IT'S NOT A GLORIFIED HISTORY. THEY LOST. YOU DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COUNTRY CELEBRATING THE LOSERS OF THEIR WARS. YOU KNOW, IT IS A PART OF HISTORY, THOUGH, SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE RECOGNISED. IT NEEDS TO BE VALIDATED AND IT CAN BE RECOGNIZED IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION. I DON'T WANT TO GO TO DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY AND SEE THAT STATUE. IT'S NOT. WELCOMING TO ME AS A CITIZEN AND AS A PERSON WHO LIVES IN MCKINNEY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS. SO MUCH FOR ALL THE HOURS OF WORK YOU PUT IN ON. I LEARNED SO MUCH WATCHING ALL OF THAT. AND, UM UH, THANK YOU. UH, BUT, UM. I LOVE THIS COUNTRY. I LOVE THIS CITY. I AM. I'M ALWAYS IMPRESSED WITH HOW SERIOUSLY WE TAKE QUESTIONS LIKE THESE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER A PANEL LIKE THIS TO INVESTIGATE THESE KINDS OF QUESTIONS. AND THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ASSISTANT THROUGH INSISTENCE THROUGHOUT THAT WE DEAL WITH EVIDENCE AND NOT ALLEGATIONS. THE DIFFICULTY I THINK HERE IS THAT, UM. IS. THIS IS WHAT TONI MORRISON SAYS IS THE FUNCTION OF RACISM. IT'S DISTRACTION. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THIS IS THAT THIS IS ABOUT RACIST IDEAS AND. MY CITY IS NOT RICHEST AND THE QUESTION TO ME. SEEMS TO BE. WHAT DOES MY CITY STAND FOR? WHAT PRECISELY DOES MY CITY STAND FOR? AND THEN. WHAT DOES THROCKMORTON REPRESENT? AND WHAT DID HE DO? IT'S WHAT I HEARD WAS A LOT OF REALLY INTERESTING AND IMPORTANT TALK, I THINK. ABOUT, UM. OTHER THINGS, WHETHER OR NOT THE DAUGHTERS OF AMERICAN AGO THAT THE CONFEDERACY HAD A LOGO ON THIS PARTICULAR STATUE, IT'S. THERE'S ALONG HIS STREET THERE THAT CLEARLY YEAH, AND THERE WAS A MENTION TO THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU GUYS WERE GIVEN. I DON'T THINK IT WAS THROUGH FAULT OF ANYBODY ELSE'S. BUT THIS. BUT IT WAS FROM A 1938 VERY CELEBRATORY STUDY. THAT'S THE FIRST SPEAKER SPOKE ABOUT. UM, THIS IS THE DISSERTATION HE SPOKE ABOUT. THIS IS THE TEXTBOOK THAT OFF OF UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS USED MOSTLY IN TEXAS HISTORY. IT. ME. IMP. BECAUSE THIS BOOK AND EVERY, EH? SAID SPA. WHAT HE WAS. CELL FOR. AT THAT. MO. WAS HIS A. TO IN. CYST. RACE. AND I KNOW THAT'S DIFFICULT THING TO FOR US TO KIND OF GET AROUND BECAUSE SO POLITICIZED RIGHT NOW WHAT THAT MEANS IS PRECISELY AND SPECIFICALLY THIS MAN NOT ONLY TO BE SERVANT IS ON LEAVE CONFEDERATE AS A CONFEDERATE SOLDIER. THAT IS ONE THING. HE ALSO. VERY IMPORTANTLY, UM, BLOCKED JUST

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SO WE CAN ONLY GUESS AND BEND. WE CAN ONLY GUESS THAT HE WAS BEING CELEBRATED FOR THAT PRECISE THING. AND FINALLY MAN. IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND IF THE DAUGHTERS OF THE CONFEDERACY IS GHOST HAVE TO BE WITH US AS WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PLANET NEEDS TO BE UP, AND THAT'S NOT A GRANDFATHER OF A FAMILY. THIS. I WANT TO KNOW I'D LOVED WITH THE COMMITTEE AND FOR ALL OF US TO DISCUSS, DO WE NOT HAVE ANYBODY IN OUR HISTORY THAT HAS HAD ANY CONNECTION TO MAKE ANY THAT IS WORTH CELEBRATING? THAT DOES NOT HAVE CONNECTIONS TO THE CONFEDERACY, AND THAT DID NOT ACTIVELY WORKED TO PUSH AGAINST SYSTEMIC. INTERESTED, INGESTED OR JUSTICE FOR OUR. RECENTLY ENSLAVED THE VESTIGES OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING. RIGHT NOW. THEY COME FROM A MAN LIKE THIS WHO AS WELL REALLY WELL KNOWN AS HAVING THE, MOST RACIALLY MOTIVATED GOVERNOR DURING THE RECONSTRUCTION WAS PULLED AFTER A YEAR AND JUST ONE LAST THING. THAT'S A HIGH BAR IN OR MAN MET THAT BAR THE MOST RACIALLY MOTIVATED PERSON ENTIRE SELF. THAT. WE CAN'T BREAK HIM. WE CAN DO BETTER. RIGHT? THANK YOU. MR CHIPS. FINE. OKAY? PRO CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY SAID COUNCIL MAYOR. THOSE ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE NAME IS SEAN DOWN HERE TO SEE I'M HERE AND SUPPORT OF MORAL INTEGRITY. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND US THAT UM IS A SCRIPTURE OUT OF FIRST TIMOTHY. IT SAYS THAT REED ITS A WARNING AGAINST FALSE TEACHERS SAYS I URGE YOU AS I DID WHEN I WAS ON MY WAY TO MACEDONIA TO REMAIN IN EMPHASIS SO THAT YOU MAY INSTRUCT CERTAIN PEOPLE NOT TO TEACH ANY DIFFERENT DOCTOR. AND NOT TO OCCUPY THEMSELVES MIDST AND ENDLESS GENEALOGIES THAT PROMOTE SPECULATIONS. RATHER THAN THE DIVINE TRAINING THAT IS KNOWN BY FAITH. THE NAME OF SUCH INSTRUCTION IS LOVE THAT COMES FROM A PURE HEART. A GOOD CONSCIENCE AND SINCERE FAITH.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE DEVIATED FROM THESE AT TURNED TO MEANINGLESS TALK DESIRED TO BE TEACHERS OF THE LAW WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING. EITHER WHAT THEY ARE SAYING OR THE THINGS ABOUT WHICH THEY MAKE ASSERTIONS. NOW WE KNOW THAT THE LAW'S GOOD ONE USES IT LEGITIMATELY. THIS MEANS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LAWS LAID DOWN NOT FOR THE INNOCENT. LOOK FOR THE LAWLESS AND DISOBEDIENT FOR THE GODLESS AND SINFUL FOR THE UNHOLY AND PROFANE FOR THOSE WHO KILL THEIR FATHER, MOTHER FROM MURDERERS, FORNICATORS SLAVE TRADERS. LIARS, PERJURERS AND WHATEVER ELSE IS CONTRARY TO SOUND TEACHING. THAT COMES. THAT CONFORMS TO THE GLORIOUS GOSPEL, THE BLESSED GOD, WHICH HE ENTRUSTED TO US. NOW, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO KEEP THE STATUE AT THE CENTER OF OUR TOWN SQUARES, A MORAL DECISION PURE AND SIMPLE. YOU SAY HINDSIGHT IS 2020. WELL, IT'S THE YEAR 2020, AND IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO GET HINDSIGHT VISION AND NOT LOST CONSERVATION. SO MAKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HINDSIGHT VISION LOOKS LIKE HINDSIGHT, VISION SAYS. WISHING YOU HAD THE KNOWLEDGE OF SOMETHING BEFORE IT HAPPENS AND BEING ABLE TO LEARN FROM THOSE MISTAKES. MISTAKES, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO. IT WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS STATUE FOR WHAT IT IS A SYMBOL WHITE SUPREMACY. IN AN ARAB IN AN ARAB BLACK SUBJUGATION AND A SOCIAL CASSIS. HINDSIGHT, VISION SAYS TO THE BLACK PERSON I SEE YOU. I SEE YOUR PAIN AND THE MEMORY OF THE INHUMANE TREATMENT OF SLAVERY. JIM CROW, WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT. HINDSIGHT, VISION SAYS WE MUST TAKE THIS. MOMENT TO MAKE PUBLIC SPACE WOKEN ALL MCKINNEY CITIZENS NOT JUST SOME HINDSIGHT, VISION SAYS WE MUST SEE THIS MOMENT AS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN THE HEALING PROCESS. CONCEPT VISION SAYS TO WORK FOR THE COMMON GOOD. IS A MORAL CRISIS OBLIGATION. AND ONE THAT WE THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS CITY TO FLOURISH HOLISTICALLY. NOT. THE

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DIVISION OF WHITE SUPREMACY SAYS TO BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE YOU REALLY DON'T MATTER. LOST CAUSE VISION IS A WEEK IN A KNOT IN PLAIN SIGHT. THE PUBLIC SPACE BELONGS TO WHITES AND ALL OTHERS ARE NOT TRULY WELCOMED. LOST CAUSE VISION SAYS SLAVERY WASN'T NECESSARY EVIL AND YOU AGREE WITH THAT ASSERTION. LOST CAUSE VISION SAYS EVERY BLACK PERSON WE WOULD RATHER HONOR AND MORAL SLAVE OWNER. AS SOMEONE WHO FOUGHT FOR HONORABLE PURSUITS, SUCH AS ABOLISHING SLAVERY AND PRESERVING THE UNION. LEADERS OF MCKINNEY. WHAT'S AGAIN IT'S YOUR 2020. LET'S HAVE 2020 HINDSIGHT VISION SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT BETTER. TOMORROW FOR ALL PEOPLE. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE CALL THE NEXT PERSON JUST REMIND EVERYONE PLEASE FOLLOW THE RULES OF THIS COMMISSION. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. WILL YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ZIP CODE, YOU KNOW, FALL THE RULES BY STATING WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU LIVE OR FALL IN THE TIME ROUGE, WHO SHOWED DISRESPECT WAS HIS COMMISSION. AND GOING FORWARD. I WILL GAVEL IN ON ANY ONE OF ALI'S ROOM BORN FORWARD, SO PLEASE RESPECT THE RULES. THANK YOU. WE WERE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM, MR MARK. IF YOU WANT TO GO AND CALL, THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THAT WAY. GO TO THE LIST OF 15 ALREADY. OKAY, LET'S WE WANT TO BE ON THE NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST TO ZERO. I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE LITTLE MORE. CHANGE. WE NEED TO TABLE THE IDOL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU'LL JUST TABLE THE IDOL, AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT IT. WANT TO HAVE MORE SPEAKER SIGN, OKAY. WHERE TO PUT YOUR TABLE TO VOTE OR. I SECOND EMOTION SECOND, OKAY ALL IN FAVOR. CARRIE. THANK YOU.

FORREST. LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PROPOSED MOVING TO ROME. WHAT WE LEARNED IN OUR LAST SESSION.

DON'T YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN PUBLIC PLACE? IT'S A GREAT IDEA. THOSE WHO SUPPORT THAT. IT'S NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION BY THE RULES OF THE TEXAS HISTORIC MISSION, KATHY MISAMORE CASTLE SPORT.

THANK YOU. 20-0813, MR MARK. OUR NEXT DISCUSSION. IDOL IS CONSIDERED DISCUSS, ACT OR

[Consider/Discuss other McKinney Monuments, Memorials, Artifacts, or Sites]

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ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU ALL BELIEVE WARRANT THAT. MARK JUST ABOUT EVERY STREET IN MCKINNEY.

NOT A NATIVE OF MCKINNEY, BUT JUST ABOUT EVERY CITY. EVERY STREET IN THE CITY IS NAMED FOR HISTORICAL FIGURE. NOW THAT YOU CAN GO TO THE COURTHOUSE AND YOU CAN LOOK IT UP. PICTURES.

FORMER JUDGES AND YOU CAN RECOGNIZE A LOT OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE. WHO ARE YOU? ALSO RECOGNIZED ABOUT THREE WE HAVE A SLIGHT STREET. SOMEBODY ACCUSED SOMEBODY'LL SAY THAT STREET NAME FOR YOU ARE SURE IT IS, BUT I KNOW. WHAT WAS IT WAS THE FIRST MAYOR OF CANDY WITH THAT. WHITE, I THINK OR SOMEBODY MAYBE. BUT. VIRTUALLY EVERY STREET IN THIS CITY, NAMED FOR SOME HISTORICAL FIGURE. UH, ON WHETHER THIS WILL GET THROCKMORTON WEEK, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD NECESSARILY. POINT OUT ONE OF THE ALL THOSE. REITS THAT OUR NAME FOR HISTORICAL FIGURES. MY CONCERN. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SCHOOLS. WE'VE GOT GIBSON CALDWELL SCHOOL. WE'VE GOT THAT GIANT JUDY GAY LIBRARY. WE'VE GOT THE LONE HOUSE FOR. FREEWAY OR SOMETHING. ALLEN, JERRY RUSSIA, PARKS AND SO FORTH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRESERVATION, WHERE DID WE STOP? MARK, WHERE DID WE STOP? UH. WE JUST STOPPED WITH THROCKMORTON STREET OR WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER STREETS. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THIS AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO STOP. YOUR MIND. I MEAN AGAIN, THAT THAT IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO JUST GET YOUR SPEED BACK. YOU ALL DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT REALLY THE CITY'S NEEDS TO CONSIDER THAN THAT. THAT DEFINITELY HAD THAT IS A QUESTION MARK. I WILL. I WILL SAY THAT WHENEVER I HAD WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE IN DALLAS, WHAT WE HAD TO DIFFERENTIATE BECAUSE. JUST LIKE MCKINNEY. DALLAS HAD A LOT OF YOUR FOUNDING FATHER DOUBTS YOU WERE RELATED CONFEDERACY AT SOME POINT SOMEHOW. SO IT HAD TO BE. WERE THEY X Y AND Z AND A CONFEDERATE OR WERE THEY A CONFEDERATE AND X Y Z? AND SO THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD TO DIFFERENTIATE. SO YOU HAD A LOT OF THE FOUNDING FAMILIES AND DALLAS THERE WERE FAMILY. THEY WERE FOUNDING FAMILIES FIRST, AND THEY WERE MAYORS OR THEY WERE SENATORS OR WHATEVER FIRST, BUT THEN THEY WERE ALSO PART OF THE CONFEDERACY. AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE HAD TO DIFFERENTIATE WAS WHERE THEY NAME JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE CONFEDERACY. OR FOR OTHER THINGS, AND SO AGAIN, IF THERE IS IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT THIS, YOU KNOW COMMITTEE BELIEVES THAT NEEDS WARRANT ANY FURTHER REVIEW. THEN WE'LL PASS THAT ALONG, COUNSEL. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. BEFORE WE THINK, MR KIDS. I MEAN, BEFORE THAT, I'LL MAKE SURE YOUR CHANCE TO MAKE YOUR STATEMENT THING WAS JUST A LITTLE PREMATURE BEFORE I APOLOGIZE, OKAY? THOSE OF YOU THAT HAD THE IDEA SUGGESTIONS TO MOVE THE. STATUE TO CON GROVE. MUST BE AWARE THAT EVEN CITY COUNCIL CAN'T MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE STATUE BECAUSE IT IS A STATE HISTORIC. LANDMARK. AND SO IT COMES UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE STATE HISTORIC COMMISSION DOWN IN AUSTIN. L. A CITY COUNCIL CAN INFLUENCED THEM. BUT THEIR STRICT CITING REQUIREMENTS. PERMITTING PROCESSES HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. ONE OF WHICH. IS THAT IF IT'S MOVED, IT HAS TO GO INTO ANOTHER PUBLIC PLACE. LONG GROVE IS A PRIVATE CEMETERY. SO.

IF IT GOES TO ANOTHER PUBLIC PLACE. IT HAS TO GO EITHER ONTO OTHER CITY PROPERTY, COUNTY PROPERTY OR ANOTHER. CITY PROPERTY AND COLLIN COUNTY. IF YOU KNOW SO, LIKE, SAY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT. ROSIE ALL WHO ARE SUPPORTING THE MOVEMENT OF THE STATUTE. BE AWARE OF THAT FACT. KILLS. YOU THINK MR LARRY MISSING ONE? OKAY, MR. THANK YOU, SIR. I JUST RESPONDED, MR DADDY. RESPONSE TO THE GREAT JUDGE WHITE'S COMMENTS ABOUT WHERE WE STOP

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NORTH. MY THING IS MY THINKING. NOTHING AGAINST. NOT NOT NOT THROWING ROCKS IT THROCKMORTON TODAY. WHAT WAS IT RUNNING THROUGH THE HEART OF THE AMERICAN IMMUNITY. WASHINGTON QUESTION. A HISTORICAL FIGURE IS JUDGE WHITE'S LEAD. THE COLORED SCHOOL WITH A BLACK SCHOOL. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY THIS, WHY CAN'T THAT STREET BE NAMED AFTER PROFESSOR DODIE? AND THE REASON WHY THIS A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE RAISE SUCH A RUCKUS ABOUT ST CHANGED BECAUSE OF BUSINESSES. THERE IS NOT A BUSINESS OWN THROAT. ONE STREET. BUT IT WOULD BE TAKE THE NAME CHANGE. TO BE VERY EASY FOR THAT STREET TO BE CHANGED. YES DON'T STREET IS NOTA WROTE. WHATEVER. I WON'T CALL IT. MEMORIZE OR TWO WILL HONOR THE PERSON PREVIOUSLY. CALLED THEIR SCHOOL. MOM. CHILDREN. I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR 1% IF THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO THAT, WE FIND A QUESTION. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, MARK IS GOING TO SAY THAT STREET'S NAME FOR HIM. YES NO, YOU'RE YOU'RE. YOU WERE CAREFUL TO MAKE IT. BUT BUT I, BUT I DO THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT YOU? WHY THIS COMMITTEE? THAT'S WHY THE SAME FORM, BUT WHEN I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO GO A STEP FURTHER, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ONE THING'S LAUNDRY BRINGS UP ANOTHER ISSUE. AND I'M NOT FOR I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MIGHT TRIP BUT I SEE IT IS. THE HOSPITAL THING BY MISS STONE ABOUT THINGS THAT I GREW UP THAT DID IT PERSONALLY. GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT WE'RE NOT HER HOME THAT NIGHT. WHAT. IF THE CITY COUNCIL TAKE THEM INTO

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EXCUSE HIM UP FOR GOING THROUGH ALL THE HAIL THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH. SO WE GO UP ALL THE STATUES AND RACISM, THE THINGS ON THE SURFACE, ETCETERA. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE STREET. AFTER THE LATE OF THE FIRST. HISPANIC COUNCIL PERSON AS WELL. LATE COUNCILWOMAN FIELD GOALS. DESECRATION. I HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK IT MIGHT BE AN AMY QUESTIONS. UM, WHO DECIDES WHAT PUBLIC ART IS DISPLAYED IMPACT BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC ART, BUT IT'S AT THE IMPACT. SURE. HI. AMY ROSENTHAL MCKINNEY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER MCKINNEY MAIN STREET. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ART THAT'S HANGING IN THE HALLWAYS? YES. OKAY SO THAT IS PART OF OUR JURIED ART COLLECTION. FINALISTS ARE ARTISTS EMIT WORKS ONLINE AND THAT WE HAVE JUDGES THAT COME IN TO HELP SELECT A WINNER AND THE JUDGES HAVE BURIED THERE HAVE BEEN JUDGES FROM CALIFORNIA JUDGES FROM TEXAS. MM. SO MY QUESTION AS A SECOND QUESTION THE COTTON PICKERS THAT ARE THE MAIN PHOTO IN THE IMPACT IS ONE OF MY. VERY, VERY TRIGGERING MOMENTS OF WALKING IN THAT BUILDING AND WHY IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND WHY EVERYONE IS OKAY. WALKING UNDERNEATH. IT IS FINE, BUT I WANT TO KNOW. WHO DETERMINES THAT IT GOES THERE.

AND HOW DO WE GO ABOUT GETTING TAKEN? SO, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU'LL COME SEE US. WE ACTUALLY HAD SOME ARTWORK THAT WAS REARRANGED. WE PAINTED IN THE SPRING AND ACTUALLY READJUSTED ARTWORK. AND SO AT THIS POINT, THE COTTON PICKERS IS NOT DISPLAYED IN THE HALLWAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE KIDDING. COME TO DADDY. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER? OKAY THANKS. IS THAT OK? MR CHAIRMAN? I MR. KIMBALL BROUGHT UP THE HE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THERE IS A STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARK PERMIT THAT HAS TO BE FILED WITH TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. IT DOES NOT. IT HAS TO REMAIN IN PUBLIC VIEW. BUT NOT NECESSARILY PUBLIC LAND. SO AGAIN, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH ANY TYPE OF POTENTIAL RELOCATION, BUT THEIR THEIR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS PUBLIC VIEWING. IF I AM CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT CAN BE RELOCATED TO A PRIVATE LAND ARE OUR INITIAL CONVERSATION. SO IF THERE WAS A DECISION TO DO SOMETHING TO THE STATUE, WE WOULD HAVE TO INVOLVE THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. THEY WOULD HAVE INPUT. INITIAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT JUST TALKING ABOUT A VARIETY OF SCENARIOS. THEY WERE NOT OPPOSED TO A CEMETERY. PRIVATE RELOCATION. IT JUST HAS TO BE IN PUBLIC VIEW. IT COULDN'T BE. RELOCATED TO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD WHERE WOULD NOT BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? THEY DID CONSIDER THIS CEMETERY, A PUBLIC. ACCESS. OKAY, WE'RE GOING WITH THE KIDS IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW UP. I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M JUST. PUBLIC VIEW PUBLIC PROPERTY.

ABSOLUTELY EXECUTED. THANK YOU, MR. UH, QUESTION, TEO. I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY ELSE. EVEN COUNSEL FOR THAT MATTER, ONE OF THE PUBLIC CITIZENS CAME OUT SPOKEN MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, UH THROCKMORTON BEING REMOVED. IT MADE ME THINK I. I'LL TALK TO YOU QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH MYSELF JUST TO SEE OPPOSES ANYBODY THAT MAY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. DO WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY PREVIOUS TEXAS GOVERNORS HAVE BEEN REMOVED. THEY MIGHT KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD. BOTH OF THOSE. RECONSTRUCTION. BECAUSE CIVIL WAR WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. A NEIGHBOUR A FACE. AS A CONTEXTUAL STANDPOINT LIKE IS THAT A NOTE? THAT WAS THE ONLY

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READY, JUDGE. I COULD STAND TO BE CORRECTED IF I'M ON THIS, BUT I THINK JIM FERGUSON ALL FERGUSON MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS IMPEACHED. AND THAT'S A SUPPOSED TO AS THEY POINTED OUT. REMOVAL BY. MILITARY DISTRICT, BUT I BELIEVE ONE FERGUSON THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I SAW. I THINK I THINK HE'S IN ANY REPLACED BY MALL FOR HIS WIFE. I DON'T KNOW. I DIDN'T MEAN OPEN UP THAT CAN OF WORMS I SAW AND 26 FROM TEXAS GOV. WEBSITE AND IT HAD FERGUSON'S NAME. A LOT WERE IMPEACH BUT NOT REMOVED. TALKED ABOUT THROCKMORTON ACTUALLY BEING REMOVED. THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHAT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE DIDN'T NEED MOHR RESEARCH, I'LL TAKE TIME LATER AND DO MORE FOR MYSELF, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT HAVE HAD THAT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, TOO IF HE'S IN LIMITED COMPANY THAT'S KIND OF THE THING. HE'S IN A LOT OF COMPANY THAT, OKAY, THAT'S KIND OF A NORMAL THING, WHATEVER RIGHT, BUT. ANYONE ELSE WE HEARD. BENNY YOU TOMORROW. THAT VERY JUSTIN. SO WHAT WE'LL DO NOW IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MEAL FREE ALL WE THOUGHT WE WOULD FEED Y'ALL TONIGHT. YOU HAVE TO STAY PAST NORMAL SUPPER TIME. SO IF YOU ALL WANT TO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, EMPRESS DID THEY NEED TO. THIS RECESS. SO IF YOU WANT A RECESS AND THEN JUST GOING TO COME BACK, THEN GREAT, YOU KNOW, GRAB GRAB SOMETHING TO EAT, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK. AND WHILE YOU'RE READING, THEN WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THE NEXT. ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS MORE KIND OF WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS AFTER THIS MOST SPEAKERS THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH WILL GO THROUGH THOSE AS WELL. SO MUCH HAS BEEN MADE SECOND OF SECURITY. ALL IN FAVOR. I CAN WE CAN WE ARE SORRY STATE. HOW LONG THE RECESS IS GOING TO BE. CHAMBER. I WANT THIS MARK. I THINK WE'RE READY TO RESUME ABOARD. WAITS RESUME, OKAY? THEN AT THIS POINT, MR MARK, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED THERE WERE FROM ADDITIONAL. PEOPLE REQUEST. SO WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS THAT ARE READY TO SPEAK. SO WHAT IF THEY NEED ME? RECONSIDER THE ITEM OR TABLES.

SO YOU SEE THE OPEN LINE AGAIN, SO IF YOU'LL REACH BACK INTO THE RECORD, THEN RECON RIO OF PROMOTION, TOO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC. OKAY, SECOND BY A SMALL CORNER, FAVOR EYES, HAVE IT. I'M SORRY MORE BEFORE THE CALL IT NEXT TO CAN WE RESTATE THE RULES ONCE AGAIN IN CASE THEY WERE NOT HERE EARLIER. SO MARK DODIE SAYS DIRECTOR PLANING ACTUALLY

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I WILL SAY THAT WHEN I STARTED RESEARCH ON THIS PROJECT, MY NATURAL IDEOLOGICAL TENDENCY IN HISTORIC PRESIDENT SHIN IS TO PRESERVE. IS TO KEEP NOW. REALISTICALLY, YOU CAN'T KEEP EVERYTHING. SOMETIMES YOU DON'T WANT TO. SOMETIMES YOU JUST CAN'T. BUT THAT IS MY TENDENCY.

I WILL SAY THAT THE MORE I LEARNED ABOUT THIS. I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED. FRANKLY, THE NEEDLE SHIFTED INTO MORE LIKE NO. JUST NO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU TO DO WITH THIS.

OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T MAKE THE DECISION AND I REALIZE YOU CAN'T EITHER. THERE ARE TECHNICAL ISSUES INVOLVED LEGAL ISSUES. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE WRONG THING TO DO IS NOTHING. I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE CAN GOOD HEARTED PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS SOME VERY DIFFERENT SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU NOT DO NOTHING. MY GRANDMOTHER DIED IN 2011 FANNIN COUNTY FARM WIFE 91 YEARS OLD. SHE GREW UP. IN AN ERA OF STRUCTURAL RACISM, WHERE.

SEGREGATION WAS NORMAL. JIM CARROLL WAS NORMAL AND SHE WAS A GOOD PERSON. BUT SHE HAS BAD OPINIONS BECAUSE SHE WAS A PERSON OF HER TIME. AND YOU KNOW WHAT SHE CHANGED. IN MY LIFETIME. I'M 50 YEARS OLD, SHE LEARNED NOT TO USE ETHNIC SLURS CASUALLY. SHE LEARNED TO ACCEPT. WHITE AND BLACK PEOPLE IN A CHURCH IN A WAY THAT WENT FROM FIRST, JUST BEING A LITTLE LIKE CREEPED OUT BY IT TO BE LIKE, ACTUALLY COMFORTABLE WITH IT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO NOT STAY STUCK IN 1911. WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A GIFT. OF BEING BORN IN THE TIME THAT IS. HAS BETTER PERSPECTIVES, AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE NOT ONLY HAVE A.

ABILITY. WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY. TO LOOK AT OUR HISTORY AND INTERPRETED IN A WAY WE UNDERSTAND NOW IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ITS THROCKMORTON WERE BORN 50 YEARS AGO. YOU WERE MY AGE, HE WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. SO MAYBE THINK ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE. BUT I WOULD SUGGEST NOT DO NOTHING.

MAYBE YOU MOVE IT. MAYBE YOU TAKE HIM DOWN OFF THE PEDESTAL SUDDEN THERE SO I CAN LOOK AT HIM IN THE EYE. MAYBE YOU SPEND MONEY ON A NEW PLAQUE AND A NEW EXHIBIT CELEBRATING. BROADER AND MORE INCLUSIVE PICTURE BEGINNINGS HISTORY. BUT LET'S NOT DO NOTHING JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN TO STOP DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PRETTY.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS TAMARA. AND. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS THAT LOOKING AT

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SLAVERY. AND TREASON. TO THE CONFEDERACY. AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN. I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYONE SAY TO KILL THE STATUTE. WE WOULD JUST LIKE IT FOR IT TO BE MOVED FROM OUR VIEW TO A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT. LOCAL LEADERSHIP SO OFTEN EXPECTS US TO JUST GO ALONG WITH WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT IN ORDER TO GET ALONG. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SOMETHING MEANS TO YOU. YOU OFTEN DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER HOW WE AS HUMAN BEINGS FEEL ABOUT THINGS. WE KNOW YOU WANT TO KEEP THE STATUE IN PLACE. WHAT ABOUT THOSE OF YOU WHO SAY WE DON'T EVEN NOTICE THE STATUTE? IN THAT CASE IT SHOULD IT BOTHER YOU IF IT WERE THERE NO LONGER. I KNOW IT'S VERY HARD ARE EVEN OFFENSIVE FOR SOME OF YOU TO PUT YOURSELVES IN THE SHOES OF AN AFRICAN AMERICAN OR LATINA. EVERY NOW AND AGAIN. CLOSE YOUR EYES AND THINK. WHAT IF I HAD BEEN BORN AFRICAN AMERICANS? WHAT IF PEOPLE HAD A DEEP HATRED FOR ME? JUST BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN? WHAT IF I HAD EVER BEEN EXCLUDED FROM EVERY DAY LIFE OF IT'S BECAUSE OF BEING WHITE. THEN CONSIDER HAVING TO COME UP HERE AND BAG YOU GUYS TO REMOVE SOMETHING FROM THE TOWN SQUARE THAT IS A SYMBOL OF HATRED. WHEN YOU WANT TO KEEP IT FOR THE SAKE OF HISTORY. IMAGINE. DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY SQUARE AS A NON PARTISAN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT USED AS AN ALL INCLUSIVE PREMIER AREA TO BRING TOGETHER FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO CELEBRATE VARIOUS OCCASIONS AT LIFE EVENTS. AGAIN. WE DO NOT WANT TO KILL THE STATUE. WE JUST WANT TO MOVE IT OUT OF YOU. SO NOT TO HAVE TO VISUALIZE OUR BE REMINDED OF THE HORRORS OF HISTORY. WE'RE NOT. NOR CAN WE CHANGE HISTORY, WHICH IS WHAT HISTORY TO BE HOUSED IN A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE. REMEMBER THIS? JUST BECAUSE A NAZI SOLDIER IS NOT IN UNIFORM. DOES NOT MEAN HE'S NOT A NAZI. THANK YOU. MR MARTIN FIRST THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. KILL. THANK YOU. IT'S MEGAN. SO THIS IS NOT A FORMAL I AM ON THE AGENDA, BUT BECAUSE WE HAD SOME TIME WE THOUGHT WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT. IF WE CAN WORK THROUGH SOME THINGS WE MAY NOT HAVE TO HAVE 1/4 MEANING UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE 1/4 MEETING AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT. SO ME BACK UP AND EXPLAIN WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. WHEN WE SENT OUT THE EMAIL TO YOU LAST WEEK, WE NOTED THAT THE COUNCIL WAS GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND GET AN UPDATE ABOUT THE ADVISORY BOARD AT THEIR WORK SESSION MEETING ON TUESDAY, SO THEY DID TALK ABOUT THAT. BASED ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT OCCURRED AT MEETING TO THAT THEY DEFINITELY HEARD AND WE HEARD SOME FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT HOW DO WE GET OUR MESSAGE TO COUNSEL AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ADVISORY BOARD HAD THE ABILITY TO DO THAT? MORE THAN JUST A STAFF REPORT TO COUNSEL. TO THAT END, THEY ASKED FOR SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE RESOLUTION THAT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DIRECTION TO THE ADVISORY BOARD. THAT PLAYS OUT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. ONE IS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE, LIKE A WRITTEN RESPONSE OR POSITION PAPER TO ALL THE INFORMATION WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER. THE OTHER IS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL. ONE PRESENTATION FOR BOTH SIDES

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LET'S DO ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE I DIDN'T GRAB ONE. YOU KNOW THE NEW CHARGE, THE ADVISORY BOARD INCLUDES PROVIDING A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE RESEARCH AND DOCUMENTATION COMPILED BY STAFF. WE WERE THINKING THAT. WE CAN COMPILE THE WHOLE PACKET OF INFORMATION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO OFTEN, UM, ALL THE INFORMATION FROM MEETING ONE INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THOSE MEETINGS THAT FOLLOW UP INFORMATION WE GOT THE SAME PACKET. WE'RE GOINGTO PREPARE FOR COUNCIL. WE'D LIKE TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU FIRST. YOU WILL HAVE SOME TIME TO DIGEST IT AND INDIVIDUALLY OR IN SMALL GROUPS, OR HOWEVER YOU DETERMINE, COULD PROVIDE A WRITTEN STATEMENT PAPER THAT PAPER COULD TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU FOUND MOST RELEVANT HIGHLIGHTING FAX THAT WERE MOST IMPORTANT. WHAT? WAIT. YOU GAVE TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF INFORMATION OR REALLY ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT EXPLAINS YOUR POSITION ON THE MATTER. WE WOULD TAKE THAT AND IT WOULD BECOME PART OF THE PACKET OF COUNCIL INFORMATION. THE SECOND THING IS THIS COUNCIL PRESENTATION AND GENERALLY THIS WOULD BE A PRESENTATION ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE. ONE SIDE BEING REMOVE RELOCATE AND ONE SIDE BEING REMAIN IN PLACE. GENERALLY WE WERE THINKING THIS COULD BE ONE PERSON FROM EACH SIDE AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS A GROUP. IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT STRUCTURED, WE THINK A TIME LIMIT MAKES SOME SENSE TO ENSURE THAT BOTH SIDES HAVE THE EQUAL TIME LIMIT. AS STAFF. WE USUALLY TRY TO KEEP OUR TIME LIMITS TO 10 TO 15 MINUTES, BUT WE WOULD LOVE YOU GUYS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD WORK BEST FOR YOU AND MAYBE COME TO SOME AGREEMENT THERE. AND, OF COURSE, AS A PRESENTATION, YOU'D HAVE ACCESS TO THE POWER POINT. AND SO ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF IS THERE SO WANTED TO JUST TALK ABOUT THAT. GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. AND IF WE COULD CLARIFY SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.

BUT WE CAN. CERTAINLY WE MAYBE WOULDN'T HAVE 1/4 MEETING OR IF YOU WANTED US TO HOST 1/4 MEETING TO FACILITATE FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET IS A PROPOSED TIMELINE THAT DOES INCLUDE 1/4 MEETING IF WE NEED IT. BUT IF NOT, THE TIMELINE KIND OF REMAINS THE SAME. OUR GOLD. IT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THIS, AND RATHER THAN THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER FOR THE COUNCIL REVIEW OF THE STATUE, WE'RE NOW AT THE SECOND MEETING OF OCTOBER, WHICH IS OCTOBER 20TH. SO NEXT TUESDAY, THERE IS AN AMENDED RESOLUTION GOING TO COUNSEL THAT SORT OF INCLUDES THIS INFORMATION. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I KNOW I WENT THROUGH IT KIND OF FAST. EXCELLENT IDEA WOULD THINK THERE'D BEEN SEVERAL ON THIS BOARD THAT EXPRESS. THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THE CONCERNS WOULD BE. FOR TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, SO THIS IS THE CHANCE FOR BOARD MEMBERS TO NOW CONTRIBUTE YOUR CONCERNS AND MAKE IT PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION.

EXECUTED. THANK YOU, MISTER. I WAS ANGRY AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR TAKING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL, TIO, I GUESS KIND OF GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CHARTER HERE. ME THAT FEELS A LITTLE BIT MORE PURPOSEFUL, TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I LIKE THE BOTH SIDES FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO HEAR WHY. PEOPLE ON THE, UH, COMMITTEE THINK THAT WE SHOULD KEEP IT AND I THINK IT'S ALSO EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOR THEM THAT YEAR. WHY SOMEONE THE COMMITTEE MAY THINK IT'S NOT GOOD TO KEEP IT A RELOCATE, SO I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA. AND THIS IS JUST ME, MR. CHAIR LOOKING AT THIS. I PERSONALLY PREFER THE SECOND OPTION. YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? BOTH? ARE YOU BOTH ARE TOGETHER. IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR SCENARIO. PAKISTAN. IT'S A PACKAGE DEAL, AND I HAVE TO CLEAR SO I GET MY CAKE AND YOU TWO A PACKAGE DEAL. I GUESS I AM GONNA LET YOU GUYS DIGEST IT. FIRST OF ALL STAFF CAN'T TAKE THE CREDIT. THE COUNCIL TOOK THIS ONE ON THEIR OWN. SO THEY HEARD YOU AT THE LAST MEETING. IT WAS ALL THEM AND WERE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO THAT. AS YOU READ THIS AND GO THROUGH IT WOULD LOVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSAL, WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THAT. THE FIRST ONE IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE SECOND ONE, THOUGH. ON THE QUESTION FOR YOU IS A GROUP IS DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO WOULD BE THE REPRESENTATIVE TODAY? DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT LATER? DO YOU WANT TO SET YOUR TIME LIMITS TODAY? THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT AS A GROUP, IF MORE FEEDBACK YOU GIVE TODAY THAN THE EASIER IT IS MOVING FORWARD. BUT, REID, I KNOW I

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IN FACT, THERE'S ONE LEAVING IN 10 MINUTES. WAIT DO THIS REAL QUICK. LET'S DECIDED TO TALK ABOUT NO MIND. I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY. PROBABLY I DON'T WHETHER THEY WATCHED. HAVE THEY WATCHED THE PROCEEDINGS? I DON'T. I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT THERE IS PARTICULARLY TO BE GAINED. BYE. SIMPLY. REHASHING WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE'VE DONE WHAT WE'VE SAID WHAT WE'VE CODE. UH, UNLESS THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NOT BEEN.

LISTENING TO ARE WATCHING. THE PROCEEDINGS. I JUST. YOU KNOW, I JUST WONDER IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CONTINUING TO POUR ON. I THINK SO, GEORGE TO THINK IS TO PROVIDE POLITICAL COVER ON THE COUNCIL'S DECISION. WELL, SO IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS, THEY WANT TO DELEGATE THAT TO ASK THEM. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE PLANET INTO OUR PORTS. TO MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD HERE IN THE LAST THREE MEETINGS. WELL AS ONE WHO HEARS BOTH SIDES OF QUESTIONS EVERY DAY, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DODGE MAKING THE TOUGH DECISION BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE FOR AND ONE AGAINST. ONE FOR ONE FOR ONE THING, AND ONE FIRM ENOUGH FOR ANOTHER THING. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FAR AGAINST, UH. AND IT'S NOT GOING. TO YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IS SHOW I JUST NO, I'M NOT. STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT IT ONE WAY THAT I FEEL LIKE. IT'S LIKE TONIGHT. WE'VE HEARD WE HEARD. JUST WHAT 17 17 PEOPLE. THEY'VE GOT GOOD. ARGUMENTS AND THEY'VE GOT I'VE GOT STRONG FEELINGS. AND IT'S UM DOESN'T LESSEN. OUR BURDEN, OR IT DOESN'T LESSEN THE SCHOOLS OF THE CITY COUNCIL BURDEN. UH, I JUST I JUST THINK IF INSTEAD OF RUSHING INTO SAYING WELL, WE JUST JUMP RIGHT ON THIS. WHAT REALLY WILL DO. FOLLOW THIS PARTICULAR WRECKED. I THINK WE ARE. THINK ABOUT IT, NOT JUST JUMP ON IT. COME IN QUICK. BE QUICK AND THEN YOU SAY I RESPECT THAT, AND HE'S RIGHT. THE COUNCIL TO NEED. THINKING THEY CAN WATCH. A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SHOW UP, SO THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. THE WAY I KIND OF SEE IT. JUDGE. LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE IS YET THIS HAS HAPPENED OVER 345 WEEKS, WHATEVER TIMES A LOT OF STUFF SOMETIMES COME OUT. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO KIND OF PUT OUR FORMAL PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE THINK IT GIVES THE OTHER ARGUMENT FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THERE'S AND THEN PRESENT ALL THAT AND. A BLOW TO THE COUNCIL, RIGHT. CALL IT POLITICAL COVER, WHATEVER BUT IT INTO THE DAY. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF POINTS HAVE BEEN MADE 34 WEEKS AGO THAT I PROBABLY FORGOT. MAYBE YOU'VE FORGOTTEN AS WELL. SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY HERE IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED IS WHAT WE FOUND.

HERE'S WHAT WE THOUGHT AND. AND I LIKE THE IDEA AS OPPOSED TO, EVEN IF IT WAS. MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO FELT TO REMOVE THE STATUE, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS JUST TELL COUNCIL AND THE COMMITTEE VOTED TO REMOVE THE STATUE. I STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S STILL THERE WAS STILL NEED TO BE A DESCENT THERE, SO I GET LIKE THIS. FORMAT BECAUSE IT GIVES IT AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS A THIS IS A CONTENTIOUS TOPIC. THIS IS A POLARIZING TOPIC FOR MANY, RIGHT, SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH SIDES TO BE HEARD, NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOU SAID.

OKAY, UM, TWO THINGS ONE. LIKE SOMEONE PROMOTION TO EITHER ACCEPT OR REJECT THE. HOLD

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CAN'T THINK WE ARE READY TO RESUME. THIS, KIM, I THINK WE HAVE OUR TWO PRESENTERS READY? IDENTIFIED YOU ANNOUNCED THE PRESENT FOR YOUR SIDE. SO THIS SIDE OVER HERE, UH, NOMINATED CHECKED IT, MISTER. I HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT WE NOMINATED JUSTIN, OKAY? JUSTIN, YOU ACCEPT, OKAY? AND FOR OUR SIDE, WE HAVE NOMINATED JUDGE WHITE WAS ACCEPTED THE OPPOSITE.

RELUCTANT ARM TWISTING. IS THERE ANY THOUGHT ON A TIME LIMIT THAT YOU FEEL WOULD BE COMFORTABLE FOR THE PRESENTATION. MAX 10, MAX. POINT MINUTES, ALL RIGHT NOW.

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KEEPING IT, KEEPING IT RELOCATING. THE ONE THING I ADD, AND GET A LITTLE GOVERNMENT PROCEDURAL, SO THE COUNCIL DID GIVE THIS DIRECTION ON TUESDAY. THEY'RE SORT OF RATIFYING VIA RESOLUTION NEXT TUESDAY. IN THE EVENT. ANYTHING CHANGES. WE'LL DEFINITELY LET YOU KNOW, BUT THAT FORMAL RESOLUTION CAN COME UNDER DISCUSSION AND MAKE HIM UNDER DISCUSSION SO BUT VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. ORGANIZATION YOU'VE DONE TODAY. DO YOU FEEL AT THIS POINT THAT YOU WOULD WANT US TO FACILITATE 1/4 MEETING THAT YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE TODAY OR SHOULD WE WAIT AND SEE HOW THE RESOLUTION GOES NEXT TUESDAY ANGLE FROM THERE? I DON'T KNOW WHEN HE HAS NEVER MEETING BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHAT IT IS TO BE PRESENTED FROM THE STAFF. SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO GET THAT TO YOU. ASSUME AS IT'S DONE, WE ARE WORKING AT IT RIGHT NOW ARE INTERNAL GOLD DATE WITH AN OCTOBER 20TH COUNCIL DATE OUR INTERNAL GOLD IT WOULD BE TO HAVE A DRAFT BY OCTOBER, 7TH. WE CAN POSSIBLY GET PARTS OF THAT EARLY. PART OF IT IS THE TRANSCRIPT. IT'S THE TRANSCRIPT THAT TAKES SOME TIME FROM THE MEETINGS TO DEVELOP, SO DEFINITELY ABSOLUTELY WANT TO GET THAT BEFORE, USUALLY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. REVIEW IT BEFORE. INTO THE COUNCIL PACKET, OKAY? ALREADY COMMENTS ON WHETHER THE FOURTH TONIGHT WE'RE FROM JUST WHITE ANYONE ELSE? I AGREE WITH JUST WHAT? I DON'T THINK WE NEED A BOARD MEETING. CITY COUNCIL MEETS ON 20TH. USUALLY WORK SESSION IS AT THREE PM, AND THEIR REGULAR MEETING IS AT 6 P.M. SOMETIMES THE WORK SESSION TIME WILL CHANGE. THREE AND SIX, AND AS IT GETS CLOSER, IF ANYTHING DOES CHANGE WILL ABSOLUTELY LET YOU KNOW. QUESTION IS THIS PIECE FOR THE SIX ARE FOR THE WORK SESSION. DO WE KNOW. I THINK IT WOULD BE REGULAR. BUT I HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT. SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP WHETHER IT'S REGULAR SESSION OR WORK SESSION. WE NEED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY LATE ARRIVALS THAT WE KEPT THIS LATE HOUR.

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MEDIA START TIME, BUT THE TIME WAS UP. I THINK THE THING THAT WE WERE TRYING SO WE HAVE A LINE OUT THE DOOR, RIGHT? WE WERE GONNA STAY AS LONG AS A TOUCH. I WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND THAT I LONG THAT WE WERE GOING TO STAY UNTIL YOU ALL ELECTED TO STAY TO SEVEN ADJOURNED THE MEETING NO EARLIER THAN 7 30. JUST BECAUSE OF PEOPLE THAT WORK AND COULD GET HERE OR 30 THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME EXTRA FOOD. I GOT MINE RIGHT HERE. ANYTHING ELSE? THEY ALL FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS GUYS. SO I KIND OF WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. GUARDS TO COME IN. MR LARRY BROUGHT UP EARLIER WITH REGARDS TO THE THROCKMORTON STREET. ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY. I'M THROWING THIS OUT THERE THIS CONVERSATION JUST A THOUGHT. WE HAVE SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE WERE LIKE HIS IDEA OF RENAMING. THE STREET THAT RUNS TO THAT PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY. UM. CHANGE THE STREET NAME, BUT THEN LEAVE THE STATUE. BLACK WITH FOUR CONTACTS THE INDIVIDUAL SHORT OF A TRADE OFF. THERE'S CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT. INTO ACCOUNT YOU WANT TO SHOW EMPATHY. HEALTH CONCERNS THAT FOLKS HAVE. THAT'S YOUR NAME IN THAT? PART OF THE COMMUNITY. I CAN SEE. I'D BE DISTRESSFUL, SO JUST A TRADE OFF. CHANGE THE NAME TO SOMEONE THAT IS DESERVING FROM THAT COMMUNITY. NOT JUST SOME RANDOM PERSON, SOMEONE FROM THAT COMMUNITY BUT ALLOW THE STATUE REMAIN. WORDS HAVE MORE. WAIT I KIND OF HAD A SIMILAR CONVERSATION IN OUR GROUP ABOUT COMPROMISE BECAUSE THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT GOT UP AND SAID TO DO NOTHING IS NOT RIGHT. AND SO AND YOU KNOW, I THINK. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OUR JOB. THAT'LL BE THE COUNSEL'S JOB. CAN YOU LOOK AT COMPROMISE? YOU KNOW WHAT? I WAS TALKING MARK WILL GO BACK. I'D LOVE TO SEE HIM COME UP THE PEDESTAL. YOU KNOW IF YOU BROUGHT HIM DOWN, AND YOU DID YOU PUT ON A NARRATIVE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME AND. AND YOU KNOW, MY FIRST CHOICE WOULD BE TO RELOCATE IT AND TO PROTECT IT. BUT YOU KNOW IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IS THERE A COMPROMISED THAT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S I MEAN, WE HAVE TWO SIDES. THAT ARE TOTALLY OPPOSITE. AND IS THERE A WAY TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND TRY TO COMPROMISE WITH SOMETHING? THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE SPEAKER EARLIER ABOUT SAME SPEAKER ABOUT NOT DOING ANYTHING. WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A WINNER. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A LOSER. YOU COMPROMISE SOMEHOW MEET IN THE MIDDLE. SO THAT WAS MY WAY OF THINKING OF A COMPROMISE LIKE THIS. GIVE MISS TEMPORAL TOO. THINK AGAIN. WATCHING, TOO. YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT A STATUE. DON'T GET YOUR EXPAND ON THAT FOR US. YOU I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD RELOCATE THE STATUE. IN A WAY WE'RE STAYS IN PUBLIC FEELING BUT NOT OFFEND ANYONE.

SO THANK YOU. AGAIN IF YOU LIKE. YES THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU. MR STEWART. I REALLY WANTED TO SAY THIS, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO, TOO. THE ROOT OF AT THE TIME. COLLIN COUNTY HISTORY MUSEUM. PRESERVE AND HONOR THE PAST. CONNECT WITH THE PRESIDENT EMBRACE THE FUTURE. TEXAS HISTORICAL LANDMARK. THE MUSEUM IS LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC 1911 POST OFFICE BUILDING. IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO DISCOVER HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS, PHOTOGRAPHS,

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MCKINNIE THEN AND NOW. THE CALLING COUNTY HISTORY MUSEUM INVITES YOU TO OUR MCKINNEY THEN AND NOW EXHIBIT. THIS EXHIBIT ALLOWS VISITORS THE OPPORTUNITY TO STEP BACK IN TIME AND EXPERIENCE WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE IN THE EARLY DAYS OF MCKINNEY. HISTORIC PHOTOS, ARTIFACT SET DESIGNS OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS HELP TELL THE STORY. OF THE PEOPLE, PLACES AND EVENTS THAT HELPED SHAPE MCKINNEY. 300 VIRGINIA STREET, RIGHT DOWN HISTORY. SO FOLLOW QUESTIONS. SO THE STATUE THAT'S OFFENSIVE IN THE MUSEUM? I'M SORRY WITH THE STATUE BE LESS OFFENSIVE. ABSOLUTELY THAT'S THE PLACE FOR THE STATUE. THIS MUSEUM WAS BUILT FOR FOUR.

HISTORY EXACTLY FOR HISTORY. NO MENTION OF GARDEN INSTALLMENT THAT THEY HE BEEN TAKING TOWN ROTATION ARE THAT'S INTERVIEWS HAVE ALSO EYES A BUILDING WHERE THE STATUTE ENTRANCE OF THE COURTHOUSE OKAY, YES. VERY IN REGARD AND WE GO BUT MY MOTHER WAS A MUSEUM ALL ALONE. FOR THE SIMPLE BACKUP. I'M THINKING I'M THINKING OFF MCKINNEY IN THE LONG RUN. I'M THINKING OF MY CANDID BEING. MOHR. LESS NO VIOLENCE COMING IN REGARD EITHER WAY. EITHER TO STAND FOR IT IS OR BEING OUT AT THE CEMETERY. THE SIMPLE FACT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE A. IT WAS BURNT OUT ABOUT 2020. I WANT TO OPEN THE EYES OF PEOPLE REGARD FOR WHAT FOR? I'M COMING. I'M ABOUT TO SAY. THE SIMPLE FACT IF IT WAS MOVE TO THE CEMETERY. AND. COLIN TONIGHT. JUST SOME SPRAY PAINT. GET ME OUT OF COLIN TONIGHT GOT SOME SPRAY PAINT. I WENT OUT THERE AND PUT BE ILL. OVER THE STATUE OR JUST SPRAY PAINTING THE STATUE. BLACK. PUT BLM ON THROAT MARTIN'S HEADSTONE. AND THEN SO WHAT? I'M JUST STILL NOT OVER SOME MORSE'S DURING MY WAY.

OKAY? AND THE JUDGE COMES BY THERE TOMORROW. HE SEES. LOOK OVER. THIS IS. JUST BE A LIMB REBEL OVER ALL OVERTHROWN MORE. WORD SPREADS AROUND. DEAD. THAT DANG IS THE FACE. GREAT. THEN WE'VE GOT TENSION STORY. THEN YOU'VE GOT MEETING YOUR COMMENT. THEN YOU'VE GOT OVER.

THINGS COMING IN. MAN. D L AM DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. BONES. INITIATED SOMETHING.

BLM HAS NO. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A RACIAL THING HERE NOW. JUST JUST REALLY GET DOWN TO THE BRASS TACKS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RACIAL ISSUES. SLAVERY NON SLAVERY. WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. AND. YOU SAY BEYOND THE PERSON ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK LIVES MATTER WHAT IF WHAT IF YOU HAVE HOW YOU WANT TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW? AND THEY SEE THAT. THIS IS OLD. THIS IS RADICALS, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT APPEALED TO ME. THAT'S A PRETTY SERIOUS ACCUSATION MAKE THIS IS TRUE MIDI, BUT IT'S TRUE. THAT'S THAT IS TRUE. NO, NO, NO, NO. HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS GONNA PUSH ON THE SPOT LIKE THAT. BUT THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME. OKAY I'M NOT AN AUTHORITY, YOU HAVE YOU HAVE VIEWS AND SENTIMENTS YES, THIS IS REALISTIC. YOU THINK OF THIS OR OFF ITS BUTT? MISTER LARRA PROMISE YOU THAT AFTER MARCUS'S QUESTION WILL COME BACK AND

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YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PROBLEMS, OKAY? YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO SEE SOME PROBLEMS. I FOR SOMEONE WHO JUST. MOVED IN ABOUT 4 500 FT WHEN IT WHEN IT IF IT HAPPENED, JUST THAT YOU'VE BEEN FOR. MARK. MR QUESTION FOR YOU IF YOU DON'T KNOW, AND THAT'S OKAY. I WAS TRYING TO RESEARCH WANTED. FOCUS AND NOT BE DISRESPECTFUL. INNOCENTS LISTEN, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT BUILDING IS AGAIN? I'M THINKING IT'S A CURRENT IMPACT AND THAT BELONGS TO YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO WORK WITH THE STATE. SO THE OLD. POST OFFICE HAVEN'T BEEN FEDERAL PROPERTY.

IS IT STILL FEDERAL PROPERTY? IT'S THE CARVING ANYWAY, OKAY? WHEN THE WHEN THE POST OFFICE WAS MOVED. FROM THAT BUILDING. TOO. WHAT'S TREATED HOOD? WHAT ARE AMAR AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? ABANDONED THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING. THEY GAVE IT TO THE COUNTY COUNTY JUDGE AT THE TIME. AND WE HAD LADY BIRD JOHNSON CAME AND SPOKE AND THE WHOLE BIT. AND WE TURNED THAT OVER TO THE HISTORICAL. HISTORICAL COMMISSION LIST PINK AND OTHERS. AND I DO NOT KNOW.

WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT IS FAR IS BOAT OWNERSHIP. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABANDONED IT GAVE IT TO THE COUNTY. I THINK THE COUNTY GAVE IT REALLY GAVE IT TO THE CITY OVER THERE, DAVID TO THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION. COUNTY OWNS IT, ALL RIGHT, THAT WE HAVE A LEASE WITH THE COUNTING. OKAY, SO WE LEASE IT FROM THE COUNTY. DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ITS LEAST AGAIN ITS GOVERNMENT. POVERTY. MR POINT OF AN ISSUE. IF THERE WERE TO BE MOVED HYPOTHETICALLY IS WE'RE GOING TO BE AN ISSUE YEARS MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. WE'RE NOT SOMEONE SAYS HE'S STILL. GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. I DON'T WANT TO SEE WITH LISA THAT OPENS TO THE PUBLIC. YOU GUARANTEE THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IS LEFT ON THE LEASE. IT WAS A LONG LACE. THEY GAVE TO THE HISTORIC. I'M ON THE BOARD FOR THE MUSEUM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG HAS LEFT ON THAT LEAST IT'S LIKE 20. PLUS YEARS, MAYBE. IT WAS A LONG LACE, AND, BUT IT IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DURING THE PERIOD. 1975 1982. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT WE THAT. EVEN THE LEAST GAPS WITH PUBLIC ACCESS. YES, IT'S OPEN. I MEAN, IT HASN'T BEEN BECAUSE COVE IT, BUT IT'S OPENED ON THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, BUT THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE TO PART TIME EMPLOYEES AND YOU KNOW THAT? FINANCIALLY. IT'S HAD ITS UPS AND DOWN ONE TIME. ONE TIME THE COUNTY WAS CONTRIBUTING. THE OPERATION AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEN THEY STOPPED AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK A LOT OF IT IS GRANTS AND MEMBER SHE EPPS.

AND WE HAVE PROGRAMS WILL BE FACTORED THAT WHEN WE TALK MY LOCATION, I THINK SHE HAD COME IN THIS SENSE IN HERE. OKAY ONE QUESTION TEO HUMAN MARK, AND THEY WILL FOR YOU, YOUR COUSIN.

REAL QUICK. UM. USUALLY I'M GOING DOWN TO DALLAS TO SEE THEIR STATUES. THEY MOVE THEY HAVE TO MEDDLE AREAS AROUND IT. YOU COULD BARELY EVEN SEE THE THING FROM OUTSIDE AREAS. IS THERE SOME RULE ABOUT VISIBILITY RULE PUBLIC VISIBILITY. IS THERE. ANY RULE IS THAT DETERMINES HOW MUCH YOU CAN HAMPER THAT VISIBILITY IF YOU WERE TO BE MORE THAN THEN THIS PALACE DECIDES. TO CARRY IT UP FOR PROTECTION. MY DRESS. MR. LARRY IS CONCERNED. HOW FAR CAN YOU GO TO HAMPER ON BEHALF OF THE VISIBILITY BY PUTTING UP A PROTECTION BARRIER AROUND SOMETHING? I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD. PROBABLY JUST DEPEND ON THE MUNICIPALITY AND WHAT THE.

CITY WANTED TO DO I KNOW IN DALLAS. THEY ACTUALLY PUT IT VERY AROUND THE CONFEDERATE MONUMENT FIRST, BUT THEN ACTUALLY JUST SHROUDED IN COMPLETELY ACTUALLY PUT A TARP OVER ALL OF IT. I KNOW THEY DID THAT IN CHARLOTTESVILLE. I THINK WITH A COUPLE OF THE MONUMENTS THER. ASSED WELL, NOT GREAT VISIBILITY RULE. THE TOUGH PART IS, I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A RULE. YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE S A R PROCESS TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE STATUE FROM ADDING A PLAQUE TO RELOCATING IT. IT'S. THE CITY PROPOSES

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ON THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION OR ANYBODY ELSE. YOU KNOW WHAT. CAUSE IT IS A STATE INTEGRYS LANDMARK. AND SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU'RE NOT MISSING. YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THEM TO THE TO THE MONUMENT THE ENTIRE SQUARE. WHAT HIGHER COURTHOUSE SQUARE.

SO EVEN OR EVEN WHEN AMY HAD TO PUT IN THE THING IN THE GROUND AND PUT THE CHRISTMAS TREE THAT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PERMIT PROCESS BECAUSE THE DESIGNATION IS ON THE SQUARE, PENIS AND WAS THAT A CLOSE IT WAS OUT OF ROAD. IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT A PLANET TORREY. CONTEXTUAL. PARKER WOULD BE DISAPPROVED. I WOULDN'T BELIEVE SO. I KNOW THAT DIDN'T COUNTIES HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THEIR STATUE IS THAT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS OF THEM REMOVING THAT, FOR THIS THEY'LL PERMIT WAS THAT HE COULD BE REMOVED IF IN STORAGE, BUT THEN THEY HAD TO BE PUT BACK WITHIN A YEAR'S TIME FRAME. WITH CONTEXTUAL SIGNAGE ADDED TO IT. SO I THINK TH YOU WILL PROBABLY WANT TO SIGN OFF FOR AT LEAST HAVE A COMMENT ON WHAT THAT INTERVIEW DECIDED WOULD SAY, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THEY WOULD DISAPPROVE IT. NO, OKAY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS OR THE POPE OF TASTE YOUR FIRST TIME SPEAKING SECOND TIME IT IS OK IF YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED YOURSELF, OKAY, SO I JUST WAS GOING BACK TO THE. COLLIN COUNTY MUSEUM. I KNOW COUNTY COMMISSIONER DARRYL HILL HAD OFFERED UP THE COUNTY MUSEUM AS AN OFFER OR A PLACE FOR THE STATUE. IT IS A HISTORICAL LANDMARK IN AND OF ITSELF AS WELL AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT COMPROMISE BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ENJOY THE STATUE OR WANT TO RELIVE THE HISTORY THAT'S WHERE YOU GO IS TO A MUSEUM. TO GET YOUR HISTORY FIX, SO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER ANY OTHER CITIZENS. DO NOT GET THE CHANCE TO SPEAK, OR ONE EXPANDING THEIR COMMENT. SPEAK OUT, PLEASE. IS THE SHOW IF YOU DID NOT GIVE YOUR ADDRESS LESS ON HOW 42 9 HAWKINS. DR KINNEY TEXT THANK YOU, SIR. PLEASE EXCUSE ME FOR NOT SAYING THAT. I DO THINK THAT. RELOCATING IT TO THE COLLIN COUNTY MUSEUM. WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE AND BE A PLACE WHERE HE CAN BE VIEWED. HE CAN BE CONTEXTUALIZED CAN BE, UH, HONORED IF THAT BE THE CASE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD COMPROMISE. AND I THINK THE PUBLIC SQUARE SHOULD BE A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE, UM I CAN FEEL AT EASE. PUT IT LIKE THAT. TO LARRY YOUR FLOOR. THANK YOU. IN ADDITION TO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY PREVIOUSLY. THANK YOU WOULD BE VERY ADVANTAGEOUS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MECHANIC HISTORY. WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND THAT THIS JUST MIGHT BE A GREAT TIME FOR THIS IS THE HISTORY OF THIS GENTLEMAN. IN ADDITION TO COLIN MCKINNEY, THE CITY IS NAMED AFTER HIM, AND THE COUNTY IS NAMED AFTER HIM AS WELL. SOMETHING OF HIM TO BE PLACED IN THE MUSEUM ALSO WHICH WOULD BE A GREAT AVENUE. THEN THE MUSEUM WOULD BE TREMENDOUS VENUE. FOR THE SCHOLARS OF THE MCKINNEY. I D TO VISIT AND THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE BROUGHT INTO THE CITY PARTNERED WITH THE M I S T. YOU GET TO BE A CURRICULUM. OR IS A CAN OF

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AND I DIDN'T GET MY DRESS. SHAN CARTER, 34 9 SUGAR PINES OF 5070. AND, UM YEAH. I LOVE THIS IDEA, AND I REALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF ALSO SUPPLEMENTING IT WITH SOME KIND OF A CURRICULUM THAT COULD BE SUPPORTED THROUGH THE SCHOOLS. THIS IS COMPLICATED, AND I THINK THAT I KNOW MY STUDENTS GET REALLY EXCITED WHEN THEY GET TO LEARN ABOUT LOCAL HISTORY, BUT LEARN ABOUT LOCAL HISTORY WITH ALL ITS MESSINESS THAT WE'RE SEEING YOU KNOW THAT THAT HUMAN BEINGS ARE INVOLVED AND THAT THEY CAN MAKE CHANGE. BUT IT'S MESSY AND THERE ARE NOT PURE GOOD GUYS, AND THEY'RE NOT CURE BAD GUYS. AND SO IF IT'S INVOLVED IN THAT NUANCED WAY, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER FUTURE. THE SECOND THING IS, I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE DOWN ON HOW STRONGLY OPPOSED I AM TO CONTEXTUALIZING IT WITH MERELY A PLAQUE. WE'VE GOT HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF UNDOING TO DO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND UNLESS WE HAVE 500 PLAQUES AND VALUES JUST AND WE JUST IT NEEDS TO BE A CURRICULUM AND SO I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THIS.

CONVERSATION. GOOD QUESTION, LARRY. OK, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU USED THE WORD IN THE MUSEUM. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN THE MUSEUM? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AT THE MUSEUM? BUILDING BECAUSE. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. VISIBILITY AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY. YOU'VE USED THE WORD IN THE MUSEUM. BUT IT IS THAT YOU ARE YOU MEETING IN THE MUSEUM, OR YOU MEAN TO SAY, AND I WANT HIM TO BE SAFE. I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE OKAY. I DON'T HAVE TO BE DESTROYED. THERE'S ONE CLARIFICATION. I DON'T WANT CAN DESTROY NEXT SPEAKS. POINT LARRY DUNG. SORRY THE DANCER MY QUESTIONS, I INTERRUPT. YOU APOLOGIZE. I WON'T MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CHANCE OF THOUGHT. OKAY? KILLED. MR. UM. WAS JUST GONNA RESPOND TO SHANNON'S COMING I THINK YOU SAID ARE GREATER THAN HOW I WAS TRYINGTO ARTICULATED LAST WEEK, HE AND MARK HAD A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH LAST WEEK, AND THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF MY CONCERNS. IT IS A DEEP HISTORY. IT IS A LOT AND THAT'S WHY I WAS BORN. IT WAS WHEN I SAID. WHAT COULD YOU CONTEXTUALIZED? WHAT COULD YOU PUT ON A PLAQUE THAT CONTEXTUALIZED BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY A LOT. I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF PLANTS TO REALLY GIVE THAT WHOLE STORY. SO I'M JUST REMINDED WHEN SHE SAID THAT THAT'S THAT'S. I SHOULD'VE SAID UH, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT PLAQUE HAS ENOUGH SPACE TO TELL THE STORY. YOU SMOKE BEFORE? I HAVE NOT. OKAY. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR DRESS CODE.

RAISE MONEY HANDY. I LIVE 2 TO 3 TO CANYON POINT. MCKINNEY, TEXAS. I WOULD HAVE TO JUST FOLLOW AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST. WE SHOULD PUT THE STATUE IN A MUSEUM IN THE CALLING COUNTY MUSEUM. WITH. I KNOW, MISS BETTY, YOU SAID THAT TO PROTECT THE STATUE BY BRINGING IT DOWN OFF THE PLATFORM. I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD. SORRY THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD PROTECT. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? OFF THE PEDESTAL? YEAH BRING IT OFF. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD PROTECT IT. UH YOU KNOW, I JUST SAID A COMPROMISE TO MAY. I KNOW IT'S NOT LISTED AS A CONFEDERATE STATUES THAT THE APPEARANCE OF IT. LOOKS A LOT LIKE MANY CONFEDERATE STATUES. AND IF YOU JUST BROUGHT IT OFF THE PEDESTAL AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME SORT OF NARRATIVE AROUND IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD PROTECT IT. I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE. I WAS JUST COMING UP WITH IDEAS. YEAH FARS. I JUST I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. YOU KNOW, THE STATUE IS A STATUE THAT'S AN OPPRESSIVE STATUE TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE. AND LIKE WE HAVE. TO IN THIS DAY AND AGE LIKE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND SEE THAT AND SO I THINK THAT EVEN. NOW I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO JUST SAY LIKE WE

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THEY'RE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE DID. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF BAD THINGS THAT HE DID, AND WE CAN SAY THAT. A LOT ABOUT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HISTORY. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE HISTORY AND YOU GUYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. AND SO. I JUST SAY CHOOSE WISELY, OKAY? THANK YOU SO MUCH. SIR. ANYONE ELSE? CLEAR NO MUCH AS YOU WANT. WE CAN. LEAVE FOR ANOTHER EIGHT MINUTES ANYWAY, SO I WON'T TAKE UP THE WHOLE STATEMENT. I WANT YOU TO TAKE ALL THE EIGHT MINUTES. NO, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING. MY HOUSE TRYING TO MAKE THIS THING A SIMPLISTIC IS POSSIBLE. MORE MISSION CONTEXTUALIZING IT AND I THINK IF. IF IT'S SO SUITS THE MINES, WE GET A CONSENSUS REGARD FOR. THROCKMORTON BEING SAY THAT WITHIN HIS HOME BEING WELL, HE WON'T GET RAINED ON OR ANYTHING. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU GET RAINED ON. THERE WILL BE NO HITOMI, NO SMALL THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT. THERE WOULD BE NO FAMINE. THERE WILL BE NOTHING ON HIM. HE WILL BE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF A TOILET. AND. ONE PERSON HAS COME INTO VIEW HIM TO VISIT HIM AND AN ARTICLE OR CONTENTION. ALLIES IN HIM IF THEY'RE WASS.

A ON AUDIO OFF HIM. YOU COULD PUSH THE BUTTON AND YOU GET ALL THE HISTORY OFTHE HIM FROM HIM BEING A POLITICIAN FROM HIM BEING A DENTIST FROM HIM BEING A GOVERNOR TO HIM BEING REMOVED.

WHATEVER IT WARS JUST BY PUSHING THAT BUTTON, YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE A PAPER PLATE.

YOU GET ALL THE HISTORY OF HIM AND THAT THIS IS UM. I HATE TO INTERRUPT THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I FIND IT VERY USEFUL, BUT I DO WANT TO BRING UP A POINT. WE ARE CITY. GOVERNMENT. ENTITY AND THERE'S RULES GOVERNING HOW WE GATHER. AND OUR RESPECTIVE GROUPS. I'M SURE GOING TO WANT TO MEET. GET OUR GAME PLANS TOGETHER SO THAT OUR RESPECTIVE SPEAKERS CAN MAKE THE PRESENTATION. WHAT ARE THE RULES REGARDING? PUBLIC NOTICES, MEETINGS, CORAM'S AND ALL OF THESE MATTERS. WE'RE COMMITTING TO YOUR NOT UNDER THE SAME PUBLIC RULES OF LIKE OPEN. JUST WONDER CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN DRILLED INTO ME AND MY YES. NO AND IT'S A GOOD THING TO CLARIFY SO THAT WE ALL KNOW SO YOU ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE SAME SORT OF WARM, OPEN MEETING ACT. RULES THAT LIKE CITY COUNCIL MIGHT SO YOU ARE FREE TO ORGANIZE AS A GROUP OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM YOU WOULD LIKE, AND WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. THANK YOU. PROBABLY HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE CITIZEN. IF THERE'S SOMEONE, IF NOT, WE'LL GIVE THAT TIME. TO ABORT. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE WE. OF THE JUDGE, WIFE FOR LAST. LITTLE TORTURE. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS. TALK ABOUT PROTECTING. THAT YOU THAT YOU OPENLY ARE. YOU OPEN LATEST LIGHT. I DIDN'T USE THE WORD HATE. IT IT IT STOOD WHERE IT IS FOR 100 SOMETHING YEARS, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS, UH. I DON'T KNOW THAT IS LIKELY TO BE. AFFECTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT TO SUGGEST THAT THE ONE WE

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PEOPLE WHO WILL PLAN TO HURT THAT THING. IT STAYS THERE, SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY DISINGENUOUS BECAUSE CERTAIN CIRCLES KNOW THAT IF CERTAIN THINGS DON'T HAPPEN, CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY MADE CERTAIN THREATS. AND SO I DON'T SUPPORT THAT. LET'S JUST SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD, NO SUPPORT, VANDALIZING, DESTROYING ANY KIND OF PROPERTY, BUT I HEAR THINGS AND SO THE REASON I THINK, PASTOR JAGGERS. I WON'T SPEAK FOR HIM. HE'S A GROWN MAN TO BE HIMSELF. FROM WHERE I SEE I'VE HEARD THINGS. MAYBE YOU ARE PRIVY TO SOME OF THOSE THINGS, AND THAT'S FINE. SURE YOU HAVE NOT. YEAH. YEAH AND THAT'S FINE. SO FOR HIM TO MAKE THAT SUGGESTION, WE AS A PEOPLE WHO. UP ON THIS CARCASS. WE DON'T WANT THAT THING TO BE HURT. WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE VANDALISED. WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE DESTROYED. WE REALLY DO WANT IT TO BE SOMEWHERE WE THINK IS MORE APPROPRIATE. AND FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TEO EDUCATED ON THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO RESPONDED. I DON'T THINK YOU MEANT ANYTHING ILL WILL BUY. I JUST I JUST HANDING. MARRIAGE INGLEY ABOUT THE STATUE ABOUT THE MAN. AND YET. THE WATER PROTECTING BY PUTTING HIM INSIDE AND I FIND THAT TO BE A LITTLE DISTANT, INGENUOUS.

THAT'S MY POINT. NO, YOU. STATE, YOUR NAME AND SOME COLD OR ACTUALLY HER MOTHER. I'M MY ADDRESS IS 2 TO 3 TO KING AND 30.75071. MIKE, MY ISSUE. I AGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO'S COME UP TO SPEAK, MOVING THE STATUE. DEFINITELY. MY THING IS I CAN'T. UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE.

YOU DON'T WANT THE STATUE TO BE MOVED REMOVED ARE MOVED TO A SAFE PLACE. WHAT IF THE WHAT IF THE TABLES WERE TURNED? IF IT WAS OPPRESSIVE TO YOU. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? SO IT'S LIKE.

WHEN PEOPLE SAY BLACK LIVES MATTER. APPARENTLY, OUR LIVES DON'T MATTER OUR THOUGHTS HOW WE FEEL, DON'T MATTER. BECAUSE IF THAT'S OPPRESSIVE, IF THAT'S OPPRESSIVE, TOW US AS A PEOPLE.

NOT LIKE WE. WE NEVER LIKED IT. BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE SAMO MINIMUM TO DO THINGS ABOUT DO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE STATUES, THEN THAT'S THE TIME TO DO IT. THINGS CHANGE. AND UNTIL IT'S LIKE YOU WANT TO STAY BACK AND YEARS AGO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO OPPRESS A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE. WHY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. I CAN'T FATHOM THAT BECAUSE THE IF THE TABLES WERE TURNED, I WOULD NEVER, EVER WANT TO SEE ANYBODY FEEL OPPRESSED ARE DOWN OR OUR FEEL BAD. BECAUSE OF THIS STATUE IN THE CITY THAT THEY LIVE. THEY WORK. THEY WORK.

THEY DID. THEY HAVE CHILDREN THAT 10 SCHOOL THEY PAID TAXES. WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE DESTROYING THE STATUE AND WHAT IT JUST TORE DOWN AND PUT IN A SHED SOMEWHERE. NO. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CANNOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO OPPRESS THE GROUP OF PEOPLE. WHY DID YOU DO THAT? THE ONLY THING ONE THING COMES TO MY MIND, AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I HATE TO CALL PEOPLE. YOU KNOW THAT THAT NAME. SO IF YOU CANNOT SYMPATHIZE AND EMPATHIZE WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE.

YOU IN A PUBLIC OFFICIAL? WHY ARE YOU, UH, WHATEVER YOU DO, WHERE YOU WHY DO YOU DO WHAT YOU DO? YOU'RE NOT SERVING ANYONE. YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO LOOK AT THEIR POINT OF VIEW AND HOW THEY DO THINGS. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE AN ISSUE. YOU

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INDICES. THEY SIMPLY BELIEVE THAT HISTORY. SHOULD BE PRESERVED. AND NOT DESTROYED AND THEY REGARDED THEIR OPINIONS ARE JUST AS GOOD AS ANY OF THE REST OF OURS. THAT THEY SHOULD. BUT THEY BELIEVE THAT THAT. THAT YOU SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED OR DESTROYED. MY COMMENT ABOUT BEING DISINGENUOUS, ADDRESSED SIMPLY. I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY CARE ALL THAT MUCH ABOUT WORTH OF THAT. STATUE ARE WHERE IT SHOULD BE PLACED. YOU JUST WANT IT REMOVED WHERE YOU ARE, AND I DON'T THINK I THINK YOU'RE BEING DISINGENUOUS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT. SNUGGLING UP TO IT ARE COVERED OUR TAKING CARE OF IT OR PROTECTING IT, AND THAT WAS MY COMMENT. I KNOW THAT AMONG ALL OF US AND ALL OF YOU. THE SPEAKERS AND SMOKING TODAY.

WE'VE GOT DIFFERING OPINIONS ABOUT HISTORY. WE'VE GOT DIFFERING OPINIONS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR. STATUE. ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. ULTIMATELY, OF COURSE, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE LAP OF CITY COUNCIL, WHERE IT SHOULD BE. BUT. I DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW IF. I DON'T RISK NONE OF US NEED TO BE HELD THIS COMMISSION AND NONE OF US NEEDED. TO ENGAGE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS, AND CERTAINLY NONE OF US NEED TO BE PUT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE. FIGHTING'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD BUT ARGUING WITH ONE ANOTHER. WE HAVE ARE OPINIONS AND WE BELIEVE WE'RE COMING FROM DIFFERENT POSITIONS. I UNDERSTAND. BUT. I HAVE NO ANIMOSITY TOWARD ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM. AND. I KIND OF RESENT THE SUGGESTION THAT I AM ENGAGING IN OPPRESSION BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE, AND I CERTAINLY BELIEVE IT. WEAR MINE REMINDED ME DON'T. SO LITTLE, YOU SAY WARRANT JUDGE. NO, NO, THE SINCERITY OF LARRY'S CONCERNED ABOUT PROTECTING ME OR ANYONE ELSE, SO LET'S NOT MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT NECESSARILY WITH SOMEONE THAT WE DON'T KNOW, SAID HE'S SAYING THINGS AT THIS POINT. WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN, LAST COUPLE COMMENTS WE'VE WROTE IT OUT WAS JUST GONE. I'M NOT SURE. I'VE HAD MY HAND UP FOR ABOUT 10 MONTHS. I'M SORRY, I WOULD MOVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT PROTECTION. I'M THE TANGIBLE OF A PHYSICAL STATUE TO THE CONTAINS A COMMUNITY AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S HEART IN THIS IS TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK SOME NAZI MOVING IT. IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY AND PROTECTING WHAT MAY HAPPEN IN THIS COMMUNITY, NOT PHYSICAL, BUT IN THE EMOTIONAL KIND OF DIVISION.

THAT WOULD COME FROM IT, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A CONDITION TOO. THE IDEA OF PHYSICAL PROTECTION OF A STATUE OF AN OBJECT. THERE'S ALSO THIS INTANGIBLE PROTECTION OF THIS COMMUNITY. T CREATE A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL OF US. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S ONE THING

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THERE REALLY ISN'T OKAY. OH YEAH, HE OWNED A SLAVE. WELL, GUESS WHAT HAPPEN TO BE HIS CHILDHOOD BEST FRIEND, AND BECAUSE HE'S ALL OUT HIS WIFE NEEDED SOMEBODY TO HELP HER SO TO SAVE HIM FROM THE PLANTERS. HE ACQUIRED HIM AND GAVE HIM TO HIS WIFE TO SAVE THE GUY'S LIVE. WOW. HOW HORRIBLE IS THAT? I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS WHY DID THE FAMILY MOVED FROM TENNESSEE TO TEXAS BECAUSE SLAVERY WAS MOVING INTO TENNESSEE. MR THOUGHT BORDEN'S FATHER MOVED A PLATE MOVED THE FAMILY TO NORTH TEXAS BECAUSE AT THE TIME THERE WASN'T SLAVERY HERE. HE DID NOT WANT THAT HE LOATHED SLAVERY. HE ACTUALLY LOADED. HE WAS A UNIONIST. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? THE UNIONIST IF YOU READ THE BREAK THE HISTORY LIKE I HAVE. YOU KNOW THIS? THEY PUT GUNS AT THEIR HEAD. BY GOD.

YOU'VE JOINED THE CONFEDERACY OR, YOU KNOW, BAD THING'S GONNA HAPPEN TO YOU. AND SOMEBODY SUGGESTED THAT HE WAS IN THE CIVIL WAR ENDED ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. REALLY TELL ME WHAT BATTLES YOU FOUGHT IN. WHAT? WHAT? WHAT WHAT BATTLES THE FIGHTING. HE WAS IN. HE WAS IN WEST TEXAS. AS AN INDIAN AGENT. HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DAGGER ON WAR. OKAY, SO LET'S GET THE FACTS, RIGHT. IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT FACTS, I MEAN HOW YOU FEELS FINE, BUT LISTLESS, AT LEAST ADDRESS FACTUAL EVIDENCE ABOUT THIS PERSON. AND WHAT HE REALLY WAS LIKE. LUMINOUS WATCH. PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SEVERAL STICK AROUND AFTER MEETING IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, I'LL STICK AROUND TO EVERYONE PROMISE EVERYONE OUT.

MR KENNETH ALSO, WE'LL BOTH BE SURE, SEVERAL THE BOARDROOM BASED AROUND ALSO, MR MARK AND THEN CLOSE, MR CHAIRMAN. I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND. WARM BATH. TO THE DISCUSSION EARLIER. UP WITH THE JUDGE AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT MOVING AND OVER TO THE. TELL IT TO THE MUSEUM. AND I'M TRYING TO REFLECT BACK TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER THE LAST TWO SESSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, AT ONE POINT IT WASS PERHAPS MENTIONED THAT. AFRICAN AMERICANS DON'T COME TO THE SQUARE BECAUSE OF THE STATUE OF THEIRS. IS SOMETHING THERE THAT. JUST THAT THEY DON'T FEEL WELCOME. THEY DON'T SO YOU DON'T COME TO THE SQUARE BECAUSE OFF THE STATUE, AND HE SUBSEQUENTLY MOVED TO THIS MUSEUM WHERE. DOWN THE STREET WHERE FOLKS CAN LEARN. IS THAT GOING TO PRECLUDE YOU AGAIN? WE'RE COMING TO THE MUSEUM BECAUSE HAVE THIS PERSON THERE. KEPT YOU FROM COMING TO DOWNTOWN IS GONNA KEEP YOU AND YOUR FAMILY LEARNING AND COMING. THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION, ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. MISTER CHAIRMAN RESPOND. HE'S WONDERFUL, RIGHT? I WOULD SAY. NO, IT WOULDN'T KEEP ME BECAUSE NOW HE'S NOT RELISHED AT THE TOWN SQUARE ON A PEDESTAL. HE'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO ACTUALLY LEARN HISTORY. THAT'S THE REASON FOR KEEPING THEM SO IT WOULD NOT, AND I JUST WANTED MY PERSONAL SO I MOVED HERE ABOUT 14 15 MONTHS AGO, SO I DIDN'T KNOW BIKINI. IN FACT, I WORK IN PLANO. NO PLAY NO FRISCO. AND I JUST HAPPEN TO LIVE HERE. MEMORY Y FIRST MOVED HERE.

NOBODY TALKS ABOUT HOW QUAINT AND HOW COOL HISTORIC DOWNTOWN WAS RIGHT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

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SOMETHING HURTS ME, YOU AND YOUR BROTHER. AND YOU REALLY MEAN YOU'RE MY BROTHER AND YOU DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE AND EMPATHIZE THAT I'M TELLING YOU THAT SOMETHING EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT, FEEL IT. SAME WAY TO TELL ME I DON'T GET HOW YOU'RE PRESS OR HOUSES IF I'M TELLING YOU, SOMETHING HURTS ME AND YOU DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE ME. IT'S ACTUALLY WORSE WHEN YOU DO THAT, THEN WHAT THE ACTUAL OPPRESSION IS, I USE THIS ANALOGY WITH ONE OF MY FRIENDS. I HAVE A CAUCASIAN WOMAN WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE. AND WE WHEN ALL THIS STUFF START TAKING OFF, SHE ASKED. HE'S LIKE WELL. NO. IS THIS REALLY WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON? I SAID, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I SPOKE TO ANOTHER BLACK PERSON, AND THEY SAID THEY NEVER EXPERIENCE FOR THEM. KUDOS. I'M SO HAPPY THAT THEY NEVER HAD THE EXPERIENCE ANY TYPE OF RACISM. THAT'S THEIR STORY THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE FOR EVERY OTHER BLACK PERSON. AND SHE HAS SHE'S REMADE AND THIS HAS A POINT, I PROMISE, AND SHE HAS $2 AND HER HUSBAND, SAME JEERED. HE'S ACTUALLY DIFFERENTLY. HE'S A COP IN CONWAY, ARKANSAS, WHERE I'M FROM. GOOD GOD. ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS. HE'S GOD PARENTS TO MY KIDS. AND I USE THIS ANALOGY, I SAY APRIL ANNA. IT IS HER DAUGHTER, TWIN DAUGHTERS SAID. ANNA CAME TO YOU AND TOLD YOU THAT JARED, YOUR HUSBAND WAS TOUCHING HER INAPPROPRIATELY. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY SHE OH, MY GOD. IS IT THAT BE AWFUL? THEN YOU GO OVER TO ABLE TO SAY ABEL. IS THAT IS JARED TOUCHING YOU INAPPROPRIATE, SHE SAYS NO. DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT TRUE THAT HE TOUCHED THE OTHER ONE BUT DIDN'T TOUCH THE OTHER ONE. SORRY THAT HE TOUCHED ONE. BUT NOT THE OTHER POINT IS, IT'S HAPPENING. IT JUST MAY NOT BE HAPPENING TO EVERYBODY THAT YOU TALKED TO AND MORAL IS IT'S JUST LISTEN TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE. THAT'S ALL. YOU GOT TO JUST LISTEN AND HERE INSTEAD OF JUST QUICKLY DISCOUNTING. WRITING IT OFF. JUST JUST HEAR ME OUT. YOU CLAIM YOU'RE. MY BROTHER, SISTER. AND EMOTIONAL COMMOTION. ONE SECOND MORE SECONDS ON FAVOR, THIS CAMERA MISSED MR MOORE. HOW LONG BEFORE WE'RE IN THIS ONE HERE? THE PUBLIC HELMET. OKAY, THE SECOND ALL THE FAVOR, OKAY?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.